A Very Special Listener “Tailbag” Episode

Summary

Ringer Tailgate — "A Very Special Listener 'Tailbag' Episode"

Podcast: Ringer Tailgate
Date: July 29, 2026
Hosts: Van Lathan, Joel Anderson, (and Tate Frazier, throughout as moderator/producer)
Episode Theme:
This "Tailbag" episode is a mailbag-style extravaganza featuring listener questions and comments. The Ringer Tailgate crew dives into college football fan culture, wild hypotheticals, pop culture debates, and personal anecdotes, all while keeping the camaraderie and banter at top speed. Listeners submit travel dreams, CFB super leagues, favorite game day traditions, and much more. Classic Tailgate chaos ensues.

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Episode Overview

Main Purpose:
In this special show, Van, Joel, and Tate answer a curated selection of listener questions—the “Tailbag”—about college football, sports media, and life, offering expert opinions, hot takes, and hilarious digressions. The broad topics range from bucket-list CFB road trips, playoff hypotheticals, and college quarterback legacies, to pop culture favorites and deeply personal Q&As.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The State of the Show & Preseason Excitement (00:39–03:14)

• Banter about the show's energy and team roles. Joel feigns reluctance but is called “the center of the show.”
• Nostalgic look back at past co-hosts and funny moments with Brian and media row memories.
• Van: “Super excited about the start of the season. Going to be one of the most interesting college football seasons in a while...the field is wide open, but also the narratives are wide open. We don’t even know what narratives we’re going into the season with. There’s so many things going on. I can’t wait.” (02:53)
• Quick side-track on Ken Griffey Jr. and retired athlete passions (photography).

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2. Ultimate College Football Guys’ Weekend Road Trips (06:03–11:44)

Listener Prompt: Jake Miller asks for three dream college football trip destinations with the “total package” of game day, tailgating, food, and town vibes.

Van's Picks:

• Autzen Stadium, Oregon — “Great game day atmosphere, great place to watch a game...cool little town.”
• The Grove at Ole Miss — “The Grove at Ole Miss is the essence.”

Joel's Picks:

• Bayou Classic — “I would go to Bayou Classic, man. I’ve never been to the Bayou Classic, bruh.” (07:38)
• Red River Showdown (Texas vs. Oklahoma) — Loves the state fair: “Fried Coke, fried Oreos, turkey legs...I’ve never had a bad funnel cake there.”
• Montana–Montana State (The Brawl of the Wild) — “The scenery always just looks cool...like it’s a little snowy.”

Tate's Picks:

• Virginia Tech (Blacksburg) — “Incredible atmosphere, great tailgating, very nice people.”
• Clemson — “Great game day atmosphere, a lot of fun.”
• Washington State (Pullman, WA) — “Honestly, they have, like, SEC energy—they’re just in the Pacific Northwest.”

Rivalry Talk:

• All rave about the “Apple Cup” (Washington-Wazzu) and the “Civil War” (Oregon-Oregon State) as underrated, high-animosity rivalries.
• Joel shares guilt for indirectly “getting Craig Robinson fired” with a BuzzFeed piece (12:03).

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3. College Football "Super League" Proposal (13:37–16:38)

Listener Prompt: Mark Johnson outlines a 40-team promotion/relegation CFB Super League, based on geography.

Reactions:

• Van: “I don’t like it, but I kind of love it. I think it’s fun. I think it’s kind of awesome, though.” (13:53)
• Joel: “I don’t think 40 is enough. What I enjoy about college football is that there’s a flavor for everybody, man.” (14:34)
• Both: Fascinated by the idea of relegation, drawing parallels to European soccer (Ted Lasso, etc.), but skeptical it could ever work financially: “Nobody’s going to agree to that because they know it could be them one year.”
• Bonus Soccer Segment: Fun quips about their lack of Premier League loyalty but fondness for international soccer. Joel: “People thought the World Cup final was boring and I thought it was fascinating.” (16:01)

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4. Playoff Bracket & Conference Power Debate (17:32–20:19)

Listener Prompt: Austin from Brooklyn wonders if playoff AQ rules might one day encourage the formation of more competitive, smaller power conferences.

• Joel: Dismisses the idea given network (Fox/ESPN) control. “They’re the people that run all this, they’re the reason whenever teams are moving—that’s TV is behind it, and they’re not going to agree to that.”
• Van: “If this was purely about competition, which it’s not in any sport...but the TV stuff is selling the culture back to the college football fan.”

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5. Pat White & The Memory of Great College QBs (20:25–25:56)

Listener Prompt: Napoleon (Georgia) asks why Pat White isn’t revered as an all-time great despite his stats and record.

• Joel: Attributes it to NFL failure: “Pat White was really good, man...but he didn’t have a great NFL career...and when that happens, quarterbacks sort of diminish in the eyes of people.”
• Van: Details White’s statistical dominance: “He is just all over their record books...this is a bad motherfucker...Pat White is being underrated, bro. The tailgater is right.” (21:51, 25:56)
• Discussion grows into other NCAA greats overlooked due to lack of pro success.

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6. Rewatchables Mash-Up: What Movie Should Tailgate Tackle? (26:07–29:26)

Listener Prompt: Steven Plocker asks what movie the Ringer Tailgate crew would do on The Rewatchables podcast.

• Joel: “Necessary Roughness” (college football), “School Daze”, “Harlem Nights”.
• Van: Wants “Any Given Sunday” or “Baby Boy”.
• Tate: “Rush Hour” (notes Brett Ratner baggage makes it tough), and “The Prestige”.
• Real-time research shows most classics already done on Rewatchables.

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7. Football Documentaries & Culture Discussions (30:01–31:17)

Listener Prompt: Robert Hayden asks if the crew would do a “rewatchable-style” breakdown of the doc "Year of the Bull" (Miami Northwestern HS).

• All: Enthusiastic; fascinated by Florida high school football culture.
• Joel: Brings up interviewing Miami legend “Luke” at that school, and the wider importance of Miami’s prep scene.

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8. Random Quick-Hits: Palo Alto, Top Cities, & Regional Stereotypes (31:44–57:24)

- Palo Alto Memories:

• Joel shares how he ended up in Palo Alto due to his wife’s Stanford fellowship (32:07).
• Nostalgic for walkable, beautiful Palo Alto life.

- Joel’s Top 5 Cities – To Live & To Visit (34:18)

• Live: Atlanta, D.C., Chicago, Oakland, Los Angeles
• Visit: Santa Barbara, Key West, Chicago (summer), San Francisco/Marin, Vancouver or Toronto

- Texas College Stereotypes (48:13–52:09):

• Listener Jake asks for Joel’s take on the state’s schools:
  • Texas = aloof power; Tech = “redheaded stepchild;” A&M = cult-like; Baylor = “if a cult was run by the Baptist church;” TCU/SMU = rich cowboy vibes; Texas State = party school/Austin analog.
• Joel: “Baylor is a sad place to me, dog. There’s some weird bad that has gone down there, and you can feel it in the air.” (50:37)

- Houston’s Unique Culture (52:39–57:17)

• Houston’s “chip on its shoulder” and chill attitude; extremely diverse and a cultural crossroads, but lacking “glitz and glamor.”
• Van: “Houston got a lot of culture...but outside of black people, I feel like the overall American cultural glitz and glamour, Houston don’t have that.” (55:53)

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9. Listener Rankings: Most Attractive Men (37:54–43:36)

• Multiple listeners submit “top 3” or “top 5” hottest male celebs/athletes.
• Eric Garcia: Gosling, Sterling K. Brown, Idris Elba.
• Travis Callis: Julio Rodriguez (Seattle Mariners).
• Paulie: Wide-ranging pop culture cuties (Paul Walker, Taylor Kitsch, Idris Elba, et al.).
• Vinny: “Jimmy Garoppolo. That was all he said.”
• Brett: Antonio Brown is “definitely fertile, too.” Laughter.
• Nick: Jalen Hurts, and Shemar Moore “nearly broke up my household.”
• Banter about male nipples as erogenous zones (41:07). Van: “If you like a little nipple play, get it going, bro.”

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10. ADHD, Justice Sensitivity & Self-Reflection (43:36–47:00)

Listener “Ryan” diagnoses Joel with ADHD (with playful, researched specificity), highlighting traits like “justice sensitivity”, “arguing online”, and “over-explaining.”

• Joel: “No, he’s right. I take methylphenidate every day in the morning.” (45:00)
• Van: Deep dive into “justice sensitivity”—“Damn, this is you, Joel.”
• Meta-podcast moment: Banter about Ritalin, executive dysfunction, and the struggles of adult ADHD.

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11. Closing, Raise the Roof & Joel’s Legacy (58:02–62:21)

• Drew from Atlanta points out that Lionel Richie yells “raise the roof” in “All Night Long” (1984), possibly predating Joel’s claim of inventing it. Animated defense from Joel.
• Van: “Can we raise the roof for a true pioneer, Lionel Richie, who actually invented it?” (62:39)
• Light ribbing between the hosts about ownership of “Raise the Roof” and Joel’s legacy.
• Final gratitude to listeners and promise of more “tailbag” episodes.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Van (on the upcoming season):
  “The field is wide open, but also the narratives are wide open.” (02:53)

• Joel (on the Bayou Classic):
  “You talk all of that, and you’ve never been to the Bayou Classic before, bro. You ain’t, man!” (07:38)

• Van (on Pat White):
  “This is a bad motherfucker...Pat White is being underrated, bro.” (21:51, 25:56)

• Joel (on Houston):
  “We are the city. We are the chillest ever, dog. People like coming and chilling in Houston. You people come down to Texas, to Houston to fly, smoke, drink, go out, and barbecue.” (53:48)

• Van (about Houston's reputation):
  “Houston got a lot of culture...but outside of black people, I feel like the overall American cultural glitz and glamour, Houston don’t have that.” (55:53)

• On ADHD and justice sensitivity:

  • Van (reading): “Because of emotional hyperreactivity and difficulty regulating responses, those with ADHD often perceive and deeply agonize over inequities directed at themselves.” (43:36)
  • Joel: “No, he’s right. I take methylphenidate every day in the morning.” (45:00)

• Raise the Roof Dispute (Lionel Richie vs. Joel):

  • Tate: “So it seems like Lionel invented Raise the Roof about 12 years before Joel did. Is it possible Joel plagiarized the great Billy Rich?”
  • Joel: “Everybody wants to undermine me...but. Sorry, I invented it.” (58:09–59:07)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Preseason Hype & Banter — (00:39–03:14)
• Listeners’ Top College Football Trips — (06:03–11:44)
• CFB Super League Proposal — (13:37–16:38)
• CFP Playoff Hypotheticals — (17:32–20:19)
• Pat White / College QB Legacy — (20:25–25:56)
• Rewatchables Movie Picks — (26:07–29:26)
• Football Doc Rewatchables (Year of the Bull) — (30:01–31:17)
• Palo Alto & City Rankings — (31:44–36:01)
• Texas School Stereotypes — (48:13–52:09)
• Houston Culture — (52:39–57:17)
• Listener Rankings: Attractive Men — (37:54–43:36)
• ADHD & Justice Sensitivity — (43:36–47:00)
• “Raise the Roof” Origin Dispute — (58:02–62:21)

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Episode Flow and Tone

The “Tailbag” episode is a fast-moving, laugh-heavy, yet insight-rich roundtable of CFB lore, pop culture, and personality. The hosts maintain their trademark blend of sharp college football insight, personal storytelling, and irreverent humor. Listener participation creates a sense of community — inside jokes (e.g., “raise the roof”), honesty about mental health, and rowdy debates dominate the episode.

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For those who missed it:
This episode delivers deep cuts for CFB diehards (road trip tips, forgotten rivalries, legends like Pat White), plus freewheeling commentary on sports culture, regional identity, and plenty of Ringer-network in-jokes. The “Tailbag” format offers a multi-lane highway of content: any listener can find something to love, whether it’s practical travel insight, all-time “hot guy” rating, or a passionate defense of Houston’s barbecue.

Transcript

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[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Welcome to Rigor Tailgate, the special tail bag edition of the show. We have reached out to the Gators and they have come and replied with lots of their thoughts on the show. We got some fun stuff to get into, but first and foremost, let's say what's up to our guys. Van Lathan still in San Diego. What up, Van?

[Van Lathan]

What's up? What's up guys?

[Joel Anderson]

That's what's up.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah, we updated, we got, we needed the energy because Joel does not like to give it at the top of the show. But Joel, what's up, man? How you doing on this?

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, see, I don't know. Van is our celebrity man. Van is the center of the show. People come to the show because they want to see what Van is going to say, so he should do it. It's true, it's true.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

I mean, Joel, you invented raise the roof. So I feel like the fact that we do that.

[Van Lathan]

Your law is your. It's, it's, it's, it's your thing.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm an important part. I feel like we've come a long time since that, that show that I missed in October and Curtis set in and I felt like I was like, damn, this kind of. It seemed like the people kind of like Curtis more than they like me. You know what I'm saying?

[Van Lathan]

I kind of feel nobody ever. Do you.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

I think everybody said that they missed you in your mind.

[Van Lathan]

That was never a thing. That was. We. It was funny though when we were talking with me and we were talking about the baby mama on there and Brian wanted no part of it. Yeah, that was funny.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

He was doing the, he's like looking around. He was like checking his notes. Yeah, he didn't want anything.

[Joel Anderson]

Brian, Brian is not interested. It's the most funny thing. We sat next to somebody at the national championship game a couple years ago and this woman has become famous since then. I'm not going to say her name, but she's attached to the Rossini scandal. That's all I can say. And she said in between us for some reason and she was so Annoying, but. But Brian, like, totally. He just tuned her the fuck out. Like, he did not pay attention to her. He was a true Jay. Yeah, he was moving. And so she kept talking to me like, she was talking. I was like, God damn. I'm trying to pay attention to the game. I'm trying to get my notes right for this game story.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

I hate that on media row. It's like, we're not here to gab.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man. Shut the fuck up. I'm trying to watch the game.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah, yeah, no, I'm with that. I think that's a fair point. Before we get into the tail bag, any. Any big picture thoughts, any things that are lingering before we get into August. How excited are we, Van for a college football.

[Van Lathan]

Super excited about the start of the season. Going to be one of the most interesting college football seasons in a while. So many things. The, the, the, the. The. The field is wide open, but also the narratives are wide open. We don't even know what narratives we're going into the season with. There's so many things going on. I can't wait.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Lane at Ole Miss. Is Sarkin Arts gonna do it? Was Dion gonna do it?

[Van Lathan]

Lsu don't disrespect.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, what did I say?

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

No, you're saying at. At Ole Miss when he plays at Ole Miss.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, when LSU plays at Ole Miss. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I apologize. I was.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, see, there you go.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

No, but it did sound like you were saying laying that Ole Miss.

[Van Lathan]

By the way, I'm watching this video right now of Ken Griffey Jr. Hitting a 100, a 104 mile an hour fastball out. He pulled it.

[Joel Anderson]

Really? How is that possible, man? For junior, man. People don't know. He was. I mean, just. I just remember when he was like, the child. Yeah. They called him the kid. And now he's a retired photographer.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

You know, he's great doing that, by the way, Randy Johnson, they both did that together.

[Joel Anderson]

I always think that's this really cool. Then when they. When they find a passion about something and get into it like that, I always think that's really cool.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

I pitched when I first started working for Bill. I was like, you should do something on that manners team with like a Rod. Ken Griffey Jr. Jamie Moyer, Randy Johnson, like that group of guys, you know, and he was like, they didn't win anything. And I was like, well, fair point.

[Joel Anderson]

Guess it didn't happen, huh?

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

I guess they did not win anything, but really fun team. Love that team. Ken Griffey, the best. All right. We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, we got the tail bag, we got all of our mini gators that have reached out to us. We're going to break down all of your thoughts, questions, comments and beyond. We'll be right back after this. This episode is presented by EA Sports College Football 27, where you can define your path and road to glory with deeper customization and new positions. And the fun doesn't have to end when school's out. With the MVP Bundle. Get access to College Football 27, Madden NFL 27 and more rewards to help you go from high school recruit to to NFL superstar. Make your eyes learn more about the MVP bundle now. Conditions and restrictions apply. CEA.com games EA Sports college football/college football27 game-disclaimers for details okay, let's do it. The tail bag. It's official. We have, we had some people reach out with other names for our mailbag. A lot of mailbags happening in the ringer universe right now. Van how many mailbags have you been part of? And you're.

[Van Lathan]

No, we don't do them. Higher learning doesn't do them. We used to do mailbag. We used to do mailbag time. We got rid of it. It and then, and then. But the midnight boys don't really do mailbags. House of our does them though.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah, House of Our does them, Joel, is the press box. I mean I feel like that would be.

[Joel Anderson]

No, we don't get them. We don't get mailbags. I mean we will read readers or, or you know, listeners emails on air or whatever and respond to them from time to time. But we don't, we actually don't have a mailbag. Maybe we should.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Well now it's the perfect time because we have a mailbag here, AKA the tail bag. And we'll start with Jake Miller who reached out to us and Jake, shout out to you, a true tailgater. He said, if you had to pick three ultimate college football trips for a guy's weekend, what would they be? I'm looking for the total package. He wants elite game day energy, legendary tailgating, great local food and plenty of things to do outside the stadium. Van, I'll go to you first. You can give one, you can give three. What would your answer be for Jake?

[Van Lathan]

So obviously the answer for me would be lsu, but I'm not going to do that. Be on the nose. I'm going to say Austin Stadium.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Ooh, Oregon.

[Van Lathan]

A great, great game day atmosphere, great place to go watch a game. Joel doesn't like it. If you're looking for stuff to do outside of the game, though, a cool little town. It might be a little bit of the essence. Oxford.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah, the Grove.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, The Grove at Ole Miss is the essence. Now, you're gonna find a lot of

[Joel Anderson]

Limbaugh fans out there. What's happening, dog?

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Now, the Grove is cool. I went there in college.

[Joel Anderson]

You want to see. You want to see the van? You want to go see some of the white women? Huh?

[Van Lathan]

You know what the I'm talking about?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, let's.

[Van Lathan]

Ready for that? What's up with my beavers,

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Joel? Joe, do you have any options for Jake?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I did. I did three. I. I. So people are going to be surprised. I've never been to this game. I would go to Bayou Classic, man. I've never been to the Bayou Classic, bruh.

[Van Lathan]

Joel, you. Bro, I was about to call you the bad word bro. You talk all of that, and you've never been to the body class before, bro. You ain't, man.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, I've been. I've been. I just, like.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Jake and his guys should go.

[Van Lathan]

Joel, you ain't nothing. You ain't. You talk all of that, and you've never been to the Bayou Classic before.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man. It's tough, bro. I mean, it's. First of all, it's a really busy week of football, and I'm usually working or I was broke, or I was in a relationship where I couldn't go. So, you know, but I want to go. I think it would be cool to be.

[Van Lathan]

It's a fun game. We should go to that. We should go to that this year.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah, man.

[Joel Anderson]

It'd be fun. The Red River Showdown, you know, I've never been to that. That's it. I know it's. People are surprised, but I've never been to that game.

[Van Lathan]

So Texas and Oklahoma, I've never been to that either.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Oh, bro, I've never been in that either. And we go to that game.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, hell, man. The state fair. So when I lived in Dall and in Texas, I went to the state fair, like, eight straight years in a row, bro. Like, eating fried Coke, fried butter, fried Oreos. Can be fried Oreos. You can go see goats, dog, turkey legs.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, they fried Coca Cola.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

What?

[Joel Anderson]

They bought a Coca Cola. So I guess in the can, batter.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

They pour.

[Joel Anderson]

No, they poured in, like, a batter, and they just fry. You know what I'm saying? Whatever. Whatever. They fry.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

So you take a bite and then the Coke, like.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, and it tastes like Coke. Yeah, it Tastes like.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Is it good?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, pretty good.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah. I mean, it was kind of. Your voice kind of got high there, so it might.

[Joel Anderson]

No, no, no, man. No, man.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

They don't.

[Joel Anderson]

They don't make anything bad at. At the state fair. Everything. I've never had a bad.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Funnel cakes are always great.

[Joel Anderson]

Funnel cakes. Yeah, bro, I. I love. We should definitely go to that. And. And also, hey, Dallas, a little fun time to get out in, too. You know what I'm saying? It's a good. Got a lot going on there, so I would love that. And the other one. This is gonna be kind of crazy. It's off the beaten path. I've never been. I want to go to the Montana vs. Montana State game. Doug the Brawl in the wild. You know, I've heard so much. It looks beautiful out there. You know, the scene, the scenery always just looks cool. Like it's like a little snowy or some like that.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Montana is beautiful, man.

[Joel Anderson]

My boy, Kevin Van Valkenberg, bro, he hit me up one time and was talking about doing a fellowship. Kevin Von Van Valkenberg.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

He sounds Norwegian.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Hold on. Let me just make sure that I'm saying Kevin's name. Yeah, Kevin Van V. He's working ESPN now. He's at golf. What's it. I don't know the name of the. Oh, it's nice. Director of content at Fried Egg Golf. I've never heard.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Oh, Fried Egg. That's good.

[Joel Anderson]

You heard of that? Okay.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Anyway, yeah, but his family's tied up in Montana, and so before I had kids, he was like, man, you should apply for this fellowship. You get to live in Montana for like, six months and, you know, teach and all that stuff, and that sounded real cool, you know?

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

I like it. All right, so those are your three. My three are just three that I've been to that I. I thought were great. Virginia Tech, Blacksburg. I don't know when else you would go to Blacksburg. Yeah. Lane Stadium. Incredible atmosphere, great tailgating. Very nice people, by the way. Like, before the game at least, you know, they expect to beat your ass. So Virginia Tech would be in there. Clemson is a great game day atmosphere, a lot of fun. And then Pullman, Washington for Wazoo. Those would be my.

[Van Lathan]

Wow.

[Joel Anderson]

You like, you like, you like. You like the vibe at Pullman, huh?

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Man, that is a real football. Honestly, they have, like, SEC energy. They're just in the Pacific Northwest. That's true.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, they were really friendly. I went to one of the. What does it call it? What's the Apple Cup?

[Van Lathan]

Apple game, Apple Cup.

[Joel Anderson]

Apple, yeah. I've been to Apple cup twice.

[Van Lathan]

Apple game.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Apple Cup's great.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. One year.

[Van Lathan]

One year they have very, very, very hard fought games. One of the most underrated rivals really is.

[Joel Anderson]

It's so good. It's a, it's a really good game. So people.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

And there's a lot of hate between that fan base, Washington, the hate in that rivalry.

[Van Lathan]

To me, rivals, any pure hate. It might not be as big nationally, but they, There is real animus between those fan bases and those two college football cultures, for sure.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Real cultural difference. I mean, you know, Seattle is the urban, cosmopolitan, beautiful major city and then

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

the Palouse, and they're on the opposite sides of the state. Pullman, you know, it's a seven hour drive between those two schools.

[Joel Anderson]

So. Yeah, it's. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a fight. It's a beautiful drive, man. I've flown into Spokane and then drove in there, man. It's really pretty. Yeah.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

If you go to Pullman during the summer when it's green, like the rolling hills are green, it's not burnt out. Really pretty.

[Van Lathan]

I had Corvallis on the mind because another underrated one is the, the, the Civil War.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah, it is.

[Van Lathan]

They were. Those are really good rivalries that, you

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

know, that were taken away from us with Oregon.

[Joel Anderson]

I went to Oregon State to do a story on Craig Robinson, man. I always felt like I was. I'm partially responsible for Craig Robinson getting fired because I did a big profile on him for buzzfeed and it was about like, well, he's a good guy. He's, you know, cares about his kids, but he's not winning. Like, how long can this go on? And then he got fired, like, you know, three weeks later.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Man, I thought you were talking about the comedian. I thought so. First.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, Craig Robinson. No, Michelle Obama's brother, man.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got a podcast now.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I spent a lot of time. I mean, Corvallis is nice. I wouldn't want to live there or nothing, but it was nice.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah. There you go. Next up from Toronto, Canadian tailgater here, Mark Johnson. He said that he is proposing a college super league and he said that we need to banter this up more on the pod, get the ad nonsense out and bring geographic stability back to the scheduling landscape. He wants one Super League divided into 20 northern and southern conferences. So 40 teams will have promotion, relegation, two teams up, two teams down every two years. All other schools are independent to Start and allowed to form their own geographic pools if they want to. So we have 10 teams in the Northwest Division, Oregon, Washington, 10 teams, Northeast Division, Ohio State, Michigan, and then we have the Southwest Division, usc, Texas, and then the Southeast Division, Georgia, lsu, Miami. The CSL is what he's calling this. Played nine division games, plus one at large, CSL rivalry and one wild card. Independent rival or not. Again, promotion, relegation triggers geographic realignment, which barely. Which is barely, barely noticeable being only two up, two down. And then he follows it up at the end by saying, lfg, tcu, unc, this year is officially the Gator bowl is the name that we're calling this. So he's looking forward to that. So I like that as the Gator bowl, but what do you think about this, the csl? Do you buy into a van?

[Van Lathan]

I don't like it, but I kind of love it. I think it's fun. I think it's kind of awesome, though.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

I like the geographic element of it. You know, like, we need to bring that back. We've gone too far.

[Joel Anderson]

The thing about the geographic thing is, like, if you put USC and Texas in the same division. Division, that's not really what we're talking about when we're talking about geographic, like, you know, restoring geographic integrity. It's like Texas vs Arkansas vs Oklahoma vs Texas A&M vs Baylor vs TC. SMU, whatever, is not against, like, picking out a few schools, the big schools across the country. That's. I just. I don't think 40 is enough. Like, what I enjoy about college football is that there's a flavor for everybody, man.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

You know, so maybe you get it to 50 or 60.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, I feel like 138 is great.

[Van Lathan]

I don't.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, I mean, I. I do think some schools probably should drop because they probably, like, they're not serious or they don't have the money or whatever. I do think some school. But I feel like if you want to be an fbs, you should be in fbs, and they should work around that. But, you know.

[Van Lathan]

But I do like the idea of there being. What do you call it, relegation in college football. Yeah, that's. That's kind of cool to me. That's one of my. That's one of my kind of favorite quirks about the European soccer thing is that, like, you have to be made for a good. Like, a good storyline on Ted Lasso, too, that you. You have to be good enough to play at this particular level, and then they can kick you back down and you got to play to get back up there, too. It would be. It would just be so interesting to see a team. See a team be really bad one year and then, you know, them play and in. In. In FCS football after that, man.

[Joel Anderson]

You know what, though? Nobody.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah. Like South Carolina this year is playing Furman and playing, you know, all these different schools.

[Joel Anderson]

Nobody's gonna agree to that because they want their financial guarantees, man. Like, I mean, that's the thing. It's like, I. I don't. Nobody's going to agree to that because they know that it could be them one year, you know?

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah, but we've seen it. I mean, in the Premier League. Leicester City comes out of nowhere.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't watch on that Premier League, man. I know people are fascinated with European soccer or whatever. Whatever. I mean, I just. I'm sure it's love. I'm sure it's exciting. And if I. I think you.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

If you. You would call it European football. Yeah, yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

European football. You know what I'm saying? Well, no, no. No disrespect to the World League that you. I. My boy, Ramon Flanagan played in Germany. You know what I'm saying? So people have been.

[Van Lathan]

So when you say so, then I

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

guess my boy, Bobby Rome.

[Van Lathan]

Why. Why do you have such. Such animus? Like, why would you like. I don't watch that dumbass soccer.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, no. I'm just like, people are so fascinated now. I do think that there's some things that they do, like not having a salary cap. Now, I'm with that. You know what I'm saying? The player. But like the relegation and promotion and stuff. Like, I just don't. You know, I mean, people.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

It gives you something to pull for even if you're out of it at

[Joel Anderson]

the end of the year.

[Van Lathan]

Being on loan.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah. Being on loan is wild.

[Van Lathan]

Transfer, like loan. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

What do you think?

[Van Lathan]

You don't like. You don't like Joe Joe, do you? Are you a soccer fan?

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, I love international soccer. I watched every. People thought the World cup final was boring and I thought it was fascinating. Like i00 game in an international soccer game does not bother me. I think it's great because the tension rises with every minute. But I don't. I don't have the energy for that Premier League year. You know, all reality.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

You can watch the Champions League.

[Joel Anderson]

Of course not. I don't watch none of that, man.

[Van Lathan]

Real Madrid is not. Is not. That's not Premier League. The insolent scum.

[Joel Anderson]

Why are you trying to be Ebro. What's going on?

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

That's the Spanish Premier League.

[Van Lathan]

That's La Liga. Yeah.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. Yeah, my bad.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

They're all in their own leagues and then the Champions League, they all play each other. Yeah. So it's fun.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm sure it's interesting.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Next up, Austin from Brooklyn. He said two things got me into college football last season. The ESP or the EA Sports college football video game. Shout out to them for sponsoring and also this awesome show. He said, as a new fan, what I've been shocked by is that there was ever a time when national champions were decided by anything other than a bracketed playoff. Especially considering that the BCS era predated this recent Super Conference era. It seems like the FBS once had so many competitive conferences that the most obvious way to crown a national champion would have been to have a playoffs based on conference winners, similar to how the MLB postseason is based on division winners. It's impossible to do this now with two and a half power conferences remaining. He said. Sorry, Joel. Also sorry to me as well, I think. Here's my question. As the big wigs tinker with the playoff each year, how likely is it that we'll someday have qualifying rules for conference champions that encourage the best of the Power 4 to break off into smaller power conferences to increase their chances of playing for a national championship? In other words, could there realistically come a day when the CFP committee comes up with an automatic qualifier rule for enough conference champions that schools wind up creating smaller, more competitive conferences to give themselves a better chance at making the playoff? I know there were buys for high rank conference champs before, but what I'm suggesting here is a playoff where those teams make up the majority of the brackets. Say six to eight conference champions champs, rather than just one third of it. Joel, did you get that? And do you have an answer?

[Joel Anderson]

That's a. That's a lot to remember.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

So Austin from Brooklyn, he's really, he's really cooking.

[Van Lathan]

This guy is a genius.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, my thing is, I'm just like, why would Fox and Fox Sports and ESPN agree to that?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, it's gonna be TV networks.

[Joel Anderson]

And as long, like, they're the people that run all this, they're the reason whenever teams are moving that it's TV is behind it and they're not going to agree to that. They don't want that. Like, that wouldn't. That would do nothing for them. So I don't think it'll happen. I think what you've come up with is very Interesting. Austin and Brooklyn, but I just don't think it's. I mean. Van, do you don't think it's.

[Van Lathan]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Like, look, if this was purely about competition, which is not, and it's not in any sport, by the way. Like, if it's about purely, purely about competition, you don't add a game to the NFL schedule, a game that's going to increase the chance of injury. It's like, it's about money. And you want competition to be consistent enough in all of these sports that that undergirds the endeavor of the making of the bread for this idea. If purely about competition probably makes a lot of sense, but the TV stuff is selling the culture back to the college football fan. And in order to do that you have to have some semblance of regularity. And that idea why, like really, really, really inventive. Doesn't have that.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah, yeah. So I like the question though. I like the thought process.

[Joel Anderson]

Thinking outside the box. We like it.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

We need it from the Gators. Next up, Napoleon from Georgia says, why doesn't West Virginia quarterback Pat White get more respect as an all time great quarterback? He was a four year starter, went 35, 8 and was a perfect 4, 40 in bowl games. What do you guys think of him? Joel, I'll go to you first. More respect for Pat White.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I don't know what we're supposed to do. Like, I mean, I think that he was a great character. I think, I mean, well, we talked

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

about the best number fives last week. Pat White wasn't thrown out as one. So maybe it's.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I think Jameis Winston was also 52 and he didn't, his name didn't make it either.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Right.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, and. Oh God, was maybe the best red shirt freshman quarterback of all time. You know, I mean, I, I'm. Pat White was really good, man, but you know what happens? And I think this is just the way we do football. Pat White did not have a great NFL career, like, and barely got his chance.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

And so then one of seven players to have 200 yards passing and 200 yards of rushing in a game.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man. People, maybe, I don't know if it's that he was a generation ahead for football or whatever, but he didn't. And so like, and when that happens, quarterback sort of diminish in the eyes of people for whatever reason, like they, it doesn't hold. Like, I mean, maybe the people in the college town will still think of him in the Same way. I'm sure Morgantown Pat White can do whatever you want, but the rest of us is like, well, yeah, man, he was really good at West Virginia, and that's good for y', all, but, like, I don't. Where am I supposed to put him, you know?

[Van Lathan]

So he is first in rushing yards in the season by a West Virginia quarterback. 1300 in 2007. Second in rushing yards in a season by West Virginia quarterback, third. First tied in rushing touchdowns in a season in West Virginia history. Second most rushing yards by a freshman, fourth in in total yards, fourth in total season passing yards, second. And passing efficiency, fifth best in efficiency, second in career efficiency, second in completion percentage, second most in West Virginia history. And passing touchdowns, second all time. I mean, he is just all over their record books. Career rushing stats first in NCAA career quarterback rushing list in yardage, first, first in Big east and West Virginia career rushing yardage record for quarterback, 4, 480 yards, first in most 200 yard rushing rushing games by West Virginia in West Virginia history by a quarterback. I mean, these are. This is a bad motherfucker.

[Joel Anderson]

And so.

[Van Lathan]

And so, like, I think part of this, though, is West Virginia at that time had this type of system, and they were a good team and a competitive team and a team that a couple years almost got there.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

But I think great Fiesta bowl win.

[Van Lathan]

Big Fiesta bowl win. I think if they would have been a smidge more serious nationally, that's not to take anything away from West Virginia's football program, but if he would have done all of this at, like, Miami, we probably would be talking about him differently.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

And also, he lost his head coach. Rich Rod left before, so he had Bill. Yeah, he had Bill Stewart for his last two years. So he had basically an interim coach as his head coach the last two seasons. Actually went to his last game, the Monakee Car Care bowl against North Carolina in 2009. And it was incredible to watch Pat White in person. Big fan of him as it was incredible to watch. It was. It was a great game.

[Van Lathan]

Like, why are you.

[Joel Anderson]

What are you doing, Joel?

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Go watch the highlights of that game. Hakeem Nicks had one of the greatest catchers I've ever seen in between the leg catch. Never seen it happen.

[Joel Anderson]

People always talk about the 2010 Monike Car Care Bowl. Let me see.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Was that 2009, Joel?

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, 2009.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Or maybe it was 2010. I don't know.

[Joel Anderson]

Right.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

It's 3130. It was a great game. T.J. yates led North Carolina down at the end.

[Joel Anderson]

They Almost both games.

[Van Lathan]

Only David Green, Peyton Manning and David Hum are the only quarterbacks to win three New Year's Day bowl games. Pat White's there.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah, Pat White's there. And I think the real thing, that Sugar bowl over Georgia in 2006, he can't be in the College Football hall of Fame because he never was an All American, which is a really weird bar that they have said. I think he should be in the hall of Fame of college football.

[Joel Anderson]

So I don't know about that. I mean, if you think Diego Pavia should be.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Listen to all of this.

[Joel Anderson]

That I ride to him, they should give him a statue and maybe his number. The rest of.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Steve Slayton should also get a statue.

[Joel Anderson]

The rest of us. I don't know what you. I mean, I remember Major Harris, bro, when he led West Virginia to the Fiesta bowl in 1988 against an undefeated Notre Dame team. He was the greatest quarterback in West Virginia history with it. I mean, I thought as a kid, yeah, he probably was. So they should. He, he, he has that and that. That's great.

[Van Lathan]

I think it's the Pat White situation is that the, the, the, the passing statistics were never, like, crazy. His. If his best year is 2007. That's a season where he threw for 1700 yards, 14 touchdowns, 14 interceptions, and that year he runs for 1300 yards, 6.8 yards of carry, 14 touchdowns. This motherfucker was bad. I mean, I get it.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

If you played college football, video game with your friends, that's what we were doing. West Virginia was the top pick because you'd have Steve Slate, Noel Devine, Pat White, they were basically.

[Joel Anderson]

They were nice.

[Van Lathan]

By the way, just to let you guys know, be Georgia and Oklahoma in New Year's Day bowl game.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, they kicked their ass.

[Van Lathan]

11 and 1 Sugar bowl victory in. Pat White is being underrated, bro. He is the tail. The tailgater is right.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah. Shout out to Napoleon for pointing that out. Next up, Steven Plocker says if the whole Ringer tailgate crew was on the Rewatchables, what movie would they pick for the episode? Joel, I'll go to you first, since you have so many ideas.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, I do. I mean, I really do, but you gotta pick one. All right, well, it depends. Is it about college football or is it about just any movie? If you don't pick a movie, okay, I'm gonna do college football. I'm gonna do a regular movie. The College Football. They haven't done necessary Roughness yet. It was a cool movie based out of Texas. Has Sinbad, Scott Bakula. Kathy island was one of the kickers. That would be a fun movie to do a rewatch. And for any movie, man, I don't know, dog. You know, I look. School days, Harlem nights, some shit like that. I probably would do one of those, you know.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Cool. All right, there you go. Van, you're the actual rewatchable host here. What would you choose?

[Van Lathan]

So if it's a football movie, I think we should do any given Sunday. No. Did they do it?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I don't think so. I think y' all did it already because I was looking that up.

[Van Lathan]

I don't know. I don't know if we did it. Well, I didn't know if they did do it.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

I don't think they had.

[Joel Anderson]

Yo, no, look, bro, look. Any given Sunday with Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan, August 2017.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, yeah, that's. That's g. Rewatchables.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, cool. I wasn't around there. All right, cool. So then take that one off the board. What football movie would I want for them to do on the rewatchables that they haven't done? They probably done all the football movies.

[Joel Anderson]

They did the program. They did the program.

[Van Lathan]

The program probably done them all. Besides that, just regular movie. I would want to do Baby Boy. You're just a baby boy. You know what I'm saying? Like, so I would want to do Baby Boy. Shout out to Logan Murdoch, who is dying to do Baby Boy.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

You gotta get him on the show. Football movie. I would do the Replacements. We did it. Keanu Reeves, you did it.

[Van Lathan]

Me and Bill did it. Damn.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

All right, well, what about. Remember the time in that movie?

[Van Lathan]

I thought I. Almost certain. Yes. Because that would have been my. My choice too.

[Joel Anderson]

Really?

[Van Lathan]

Almost certainly, yes. But I. But I. But I wasn't on the one. Remember the title?

[Joel Anderson]

They did it. They did it. Bill Simmons, Rembert Brown, and Shea Serrano.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Wow.

[Van Lathan]

They had to have done it because it doesn't too. Denzel is one of the patron saints of the rewatchables.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah. So, all right, those would be my two football movie picks. You can throw those out. And then my regular movie pick. I. I actually pitch Rush Hour. I feel like that is such a rewatchable movie, but I think because of the people that made the movie, it makes it hard because, like, Ratner is, like, a terrible guy or whatever. So I think that's tough. And if it wasn't Rush Hour, I would choose the prestige. I would choose the prestige. But I'm sure they've done that too.

[Joel Anderson]

They probably have.

[Van Lathan]

Must have. I wasn't on it.

[Joel Anderson]

See, Van, you guys should have looked. We could. Everybody's All American, which is, I think, based loosely on the story of Billy Cannon.

[Van Lathan]

Not. Not based, like, basically loosely on it, but shot in Baton Rouge.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Yeah, man. See, that would be a good one, huh?

[Van Lathan]

You know what? You know what's funny?

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Billy said that we should do welcome Home Roscoe Jenkins.

[Van Lathan]

Not the biggest fan of the movie. Not the biggest fan of Everybody's All American. It's not bad, but okay. It's a Baton Rouge classic. And that. That holds a lot away from me. But not the biggest fan.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Should we pitch Rewatchables welcome home, Roscoe Jenkins. As, like, a satellite opera?

[Joel Anderson]

You don't pitch.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

No, no, we do it on our feed. We do. We just.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, that would be interesting.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

You know, they would be upset about it.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I know nobody's gonna listen to me. I can't even get on the live show, so whatever.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

You got on the show, Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, I did. I did. It's true. But again, I felt like I really get to get my off because it wasn't a movie.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah, Joel, I produced the first. However many rewatch was they did, and then I've never been on the show, so you're ahead of me.

[Joel Anderson]

Look at that. All right.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Think about that.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, you're up. I mean, that's just. All right, you're fair.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

There you go. Next up, Robert Hayden. Nice name there. Would the crew be open to watching the documentary Year of the Bull on Miami Northwestern and doing a rewatchable style review on an episode before the season? Van, your thoughts?

[Van Lathan]

I feel like I saw that. Somebody sent me. Sent it to me or something like that. I feel like I saw that. Yeah, I like. I like those rewatchable, raw watchables. I like those documentaries like that, that are. I like.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Chuck Amato was in that, right?

[Van Lathan]

Like, yeah, about college football and stuff like that. I like that. I wouldn't have any problem doing that.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah, I. With that. I. With that heavy, man. Miami football culture, Florida high school football culture is. Is fascinating. Like, it really is. It matters down there in a way that's just different from any other place I've lived. And so, yeah, I'm shocked. I've not seen it yet. I have not seen it yet, but

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

it's like, it came out. I'm looking it up. It came out, like, early 2000s, right?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, it was a while ago.

[Joel Anderson]

Was Teddy Bridgewater on that team or.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

No, it's 2003. 2003 is when that came out. But, yeah, Northwestern High School has had so many stars come out.

[Joel Anderson]

So, yeah, I interviewed Luke over there when he was the defensive coordinator in Miami. Northwestern. Luke. Luke dances. All right. Okay. Shout out.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Love that. Yeah, great point. Next up, Patrick Long said, first and foremost, raise the roof. Raise the roof for Patrick.

[Van Lathan]

Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, what's up?

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

All right, out to Patrick. He said, hey. I was born and raised in Palo Alto, 1989, until about 2015. Went to Palo Alto High School, the whole nine yards. I have to know what Joel was doing at Palo Alto. Where were you working? Where did you live? What restaurants did you like? What gym did you go to? Were you a nut house or a NOLA guy?

[Joel Anderson]

Wow.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Please let me know. Patrick.

[Joel Anderson]

Shout out. Patrick. I moved out there because my wife got the JSK fellowship at Stanford, and my editor, the great Mark Schoofs, was gracious enough to allow me to move out to the Bay because Janae said she wouldn't go if I didn't. If I didn't come with her. I said we could do the long distance thing. I'll be in D.C. uB AP Palo Alto. It's only one year.

[Van Lathan]

She knows.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

She's not trying to do that.

[Joel Anderson]

She's like, nah, you better. Come on.

[Van Lathan]

She knew that. Yeah,

[Joel Anderson]

I was. I love Palo Alto, dog. My best friend played at Stanford in the late. In the late 90s at the time, and I visited him in the summer of 97, so the first time I'd ever been to Cali, and I went out there again when he graduated in 2001. I actually graduated with Chelsea Clinton. I was on the same field with her.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Bill and Bill, Rush Limbaugh's enemy.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

I would never fuck with them about people, anything like that. Now, that wouldn't be me, but. So, yes, I was out there, dog, and it was. It was beautiful. So I love. I love Palo Alto. And, yes, I got to work from the San Francisco office in BuzzFeed. I worked for BuzzFeed at the time, and, man, I. So you. This guy will know. I lived in College Terrace, so I live, like, a block over from Stanford's campus, and, man, I just missed that place so much. It had a 99 walk score, dog. I could go to anything, and it was always. The weather was so amazing, bro. I miss that all the time. And. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, Joe, could you do us a favor? Could you bust a rap right now about Palo Alto,

[Joel Anderson]

man? Coming down, Polly.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Joe, you didn't give that any effort.

[Van Lathan]

You didn't try Joe.

[Joel Anderson]

I did. Why? I said, man, coming down, boy. Coming through. Me and my niggas go to El Camino. I don't know.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

All right, so there you go. Joe's Palo Alto Experience. We love that. Here we go. Jack Larson from Minneapolis. He said, joel, you got a lot of. You said that you weren't a star here. Joel, you got a lot of fans here. My question is for Joel. I would like to know his actual top five favorite cities in America, because almost anytime a random city or college town comes up, Joe has been there and seems to very think very highly of it. He's got about 30 cities in his top 10 according to my ranking so far. So I would love for him to give us a definitive list of his favorite favorite cities in America. Thank you. Larson wants to know your top five.

[Joel Anderson]

All right, Jack. It's tough because it all changes depending on the point in your life. Some cities are better to live in when you're single. Others are better to live in when you've got just a partner and no kids. And then once you got a family, it's different. And I, I love everywhere. Like, I spent like two weeks in Dothan, Alabama, and I, I made friends and miss people from down there. So. But I'll give you five cities to live. Five cities to visit. My favorite top five cities. Joel Anderson to live. Number one, Atlanta. Number two, Washington, D.C. number three, Chicago. Number four, Oakland. And number five, Los Angeles.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

That's a city that you. You refuse to move to.

[Joel Anderson]

I was. No. I mean, if they had asked me to move there in 2004, whenever I got this job, I probably would have been able to go. I would have, because I was right there in California. I could just go. It was going right the five, but it didn't happen that way. And to visit, by the way, number one, Santa Barbara. Beautiful. Number two, Key West. Number three, Chicago in summer. Number four, anyway, San Francisco, Marin county, up. It's just gorgeous up there. The weather is great. Yeah, I got married. Yeah, a little chilly, but I'm fine with that. I'm good with it. And you said America, so I'm going to say either Vancouver or Toronto for number five.

[Van Lathan]

Vancouver is a lovely city.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I've heard a number of great things about it.

[Van Lathan]

Like Vancouver is like, Vancouver is to me, under discussed.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man, it's gorgeous. It's just way out there. You know what I'm saying? So people forget about it.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Honestly. The Pacific Northwest in general is beautiful.

[Joel Anderson]

Yes, beautiful, man. That climate is my shit, you know?

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah. I'm with you. I never been up there until I, you know, you know, found my fiance and went up there a bunch. And now I'm a big fan. So shout out to all those cities that Joel loves. We're gonna take a quick break. When come back, there was a lot of tailgaters that reached out with their thoughts and their rankings on the most attractive men. We had that conversation a couple of weeks ago. We will break down all of the Gators thoughts and we will do that right after the break.

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[Van Lathan]

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[Joel Anderson]

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[Joel Anderson]

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[Van Lathan]

No.

[Joel Anderson]

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[Joel Anderson]

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[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

All right, coming back as promised again, a lot of gators were very fascinated by this conversation. So I'm going to run through just some of the the gators that brought up names and we'll kind of. We'll do a download of what everyone was saying. So we'll start here. Eric Garcia. He gave his top three most attractive men. Gosling was number one. Sterling K. Brown. Idris Elba. Those are his top three. Think that's a strong top three there. Travis Callis reached out. He said his Most attractive man is Julio Rodriguez, star of the Seattle Manners. So really, that was his pick. Yeah. Joe, Joe, look that up. Home Run Derby champion.

[Joel Anderson]

I can see it. Yeah, I can see it. I can see.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Okay. Paulie. One named Paulie came out. He said his top five is Paul Walker, Any era. Rip Ian Somer, Holder, Lost era Chad Michael Murray, One Tree Hill ERA Taylor Kish, Friday Night Lights ERA Idris Elba, Any era. And he said, my background is I'm a. A straight white male, married with kids, but can appreciate a good looking dude.

[Van Lathan]

Like, hey, get your off. You think he fine. He fine. The look good. It.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, like the.

[Van Lathan]

That's it. Julian Rodriguez person that I just looked up. A beautiful bro.

[Joel Anderson]

Very handsome man.

[Van Lathan]

You look good. Look good. It don't have to sound straight. I got a family.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Van Lathan]

We don't care about all of that. We don't need shout out to you. You look good. Good. He looked good to you. That's good. That's good on you, bro. It.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Next up, Vinny said, Jimmy Garoppolo. That was all he said in the email. He just said Jimmy Garoppolo.

[Van Lathan]

The thing about Jimmy Garoppolo, though, that you got to respect is Jimmy Garoppolo actually uses his looks to his advantage. Jimmy Garoppolo, back in the day, you guys remember he was on a date with Kiara. Mia. They went to Avra on Beverly. Beverly Hills. Remember that? We got that story.

[Joel Anderson]

Kiara, Mira. Who's this?

[Van Lathan]

Jeremiah, like, look her up. Jimmy Garoppolo. Y' all remember that?

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah, yeah, he was outside.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, he was outside. Jim Garoppolo was doing his thing, you know?

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

You know.

[Joel Anderson]

All right. Okay, good.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Well, I just love that he threatened Tom Brady by being so handsome. I think that that is enough to get him in the conversation.

[Van Lathan]

You know, better than Tom Brady.

[Joel Anderson]

You look better than Tom Brady. Yeah, Not. Yeah, yeah.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Brady not on the list. Brett from Allentown said, hi, y'.

[Van Lathan]

All.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

He's totally insane. But I always thought Antonio Brown was a handsome guy. Definitely fertile, too. Love the show. It's about time for two episodes a week. So he threw Antonio Brown into the mix. I'm. You know, Joel's shaking his head. He agrees. Antonio Brown in the conversation.

[Joel Anderson]

Handsome guy.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Good looking.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah, Handsome guy. Nick from Ann Arbor said Shemar Moore nearly broke up my household when my mom let it be known that she thought he was fine as hell in front of my dad during the Madea movie. For my money, I think I'll take Jalen Hurts and his Pirate vibe. Though. My tailgate question links back to Van's brother's question from last year that wasn't fully addressed. How do we feel about nail male nipples as an erogenous zone for men? Raised the roof. We'll raise the roof for Nick from

[Joel Anderson]

Nipples Come up a lot the last couple of years, couple weeks.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

I'll turn that over to you, Van.

[Van Lathan]

What do you mean? Like the question.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

How do we feel about.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I mean, if the, if, if, if you like it, you then lean into it, man. You know, if you like a little nipple play. If you like it, then lean into it. But the thing is, don't let something feel good to you and then have somebody else tell you. Amongst consenting adults, I should say, and let somebody else tell you that you can't do it. If you like your nipples being a little licked or flicked, then get it, get it going, bro.

[Joel Anderson]

Hey, I can't. I can't believe women like it, man. It's so uncomfortable.

[Van Lathan]

You like, like Tate? Do you like the nipple situation?

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

I don't, but you know, shout out to those that do. I give them credit. Ryan. Day one of those guys. Speaking of Ryan's. This is Ryan. He just gave one name, just Ryan. And the headline of his email was Joel has adhd. He starts the email by saying, Jude Bellingham. Joel is right. So he, he confirms that Joel is correct about Bellingham being the most handsome guy. He said, my new favorite thing on Instagram is when a video pops in my feed of a generally unknown stand up comic. It always has, followed by Joel Anderson. Interesting. It's not usually comics with me either.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, what are y' all following? What are y' all following?

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

What are you saying? Pops up.

[Van Lathan]

It pops up, you know.

[Joel Anderson]

What are you talking about? You can look at, you can look at my account, see what's up.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

He says, I have adhd and so does Joel. A few of the ADHD behaviors I've noticed from Joel. Justice sensitivity. People with ADHD often exhibit high justice sensitivity, a deep emotional and philosophical distress triggered by perceived unfairness, inequality or broken rules. Number two, arguing with strangers online. For those with adhd, arguing online is often an impulsive dopamine seeking behavior. The ADHD brain craves stimulation and the high emotion in the fast paced nature of digital conflict. Number three, over explaining adhd. Over explaining is the compulsion to provide excessive context justifications or detailed reasoning far beyond what a situation require, requires. And then he follows it up at the end. ADHD in black individuals is insane. Insanely under diagnosed because America Anyways, even in this, even if this is isn't read on the pod, I hope that this information is passed on to Joel so he can understand the behavior better. I know. Understanding has helped me a lot. Shout out to Ryan. I want to raise the roof for Ryan.

[Van Lathan]

Raise the rule for Ryan, brother. I never, ever, ever realize about justice sensitivity. Intense, overwhelming radar for fairness. Because of emotional hyper reactivity and difficulty regulating responses, those with ADHD often perceive and deeply agonize over inequities directed at themselves. Wow. Moral outrage, rumination and emotional exhaustion. Damn. In heightened threat detection in adhd, impacted amygdala fires more intensely. Unfairness is often processed by the brain as a threat to personal safety or fundamental values, resulting in visceral fight or flight response.

[Joel Anderson]

This is you, Joe, which is hyper empathy. So you know what I'm saying?

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

All right, Joe, it's not bad. He's just saying that like, I mean, it's probably.

[Van Lathan]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Rejection. Sensitive dysphoria. When justice sensitivity entwines with rsd, perceived unfairness or criticism can trigger immediate.

[Joel Anderson]

What do you mean AI?

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

What do you mean?

[Van Lathan]

Shame or total shutdown?

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

No, this is. He wrote.

[Van Lathan]

Come on, bro.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Ryan wrote.

[Van Lathan]

This guy's a genius, bro.

[Joel Anderson]

No, he's not. I mean, I know I have adhd. He's trying medication for it every day.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Oh, so you okay? Yeah, I have it.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

So he's right.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, he was right. Yeah, I take med. I take methylphenidate every day in the morning.

[Van Lathan]

Methylphenidate?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, sometimes.

[Van Lathan]

What the is that?

[Joel Anderson]

Sometimes I take more. That's what I take from my man.

[Van Lathan]

And sometimes I got ADHD too. Wait a minute.

[Joel Anderson]

I had to take all.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, you take. It's Ritalin. You take Ritalin?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I had to take all kinds of different.

[Van Lathan]

Joe, hold on for a second. Joe, your glib. You don't even know what riddling is. Joe, you know what rillin is?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

You know what really is, Joe?

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Dude.

[Van Lathan]

Wait, what are you.

[Joel Anderson]

Hold on. What are you talking about? I do know, Joe.

[Van Lathan]

Joe, you're glib.

[Joel Anderson]

You're glib.

[Van Lathan]

Joe.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm glib? What is that? What are you. What are you trying to say?

[Van Lathan]

Nobody gets it. Nobody understands it.

[Joel Anderson]

Mr. Joy remembers.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

It's Tom Cruz.

[Van Lathan]

Thank you, Billy.

[Joel Anderson]

Billy, thank you from what?

[Van Lathan]

Thank you, Billy is Tom Cruz arguing Matt Ly about ridling.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, really? See?

[Van Lathan]

Shut the up, you guys, man.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Look, that's when he was doing the couch tour, right? That's when he was like Jumping on couches, kind of like Lost. That was like War of the World era. Tom Cruise.

[Joel Anderson]

I gotta look. So wait, so wait, does Tom not believe in it?

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

I think Tom.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, Tom is off it.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Tom believes in a lot of things. He knew as well.

[Joel Anderson]

I would say. I would say that. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people, I. My. My mom doesn't believe in it. You know, I'm saying. And I know I was like, oh. I was like, oh, that's why I never studied in college. One day I was like, oh, I never studied in college. I only studied the last week of school dirt for finals. I could never.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

I would call that procrastination.

[Joel Anderson]

I could never know.

[Van Lathan]

But he has. But he has trouble. His executive function is. Is. Is. Is. Is not regular.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

He's also tussling the whole time, so that is true. He's getting concussed every day with his executive function.

[Van Lathan]

He needs what. He needs the deadline to initiate.

[Joel Anderson]

That's right. I'm a deadline guy. And I. I read everything. I read everything but what I was supposed to read to at school, and I was just.

[Van Lathan]

It just every.

[Joel Anderson]

And I was like, when. When the therapist said it, I was like, oh, this puts so much in perspective. I was just like, I'm thinking, oh, my life made so much more sense when I got diagnosed with it. But my mom is like, you had no adhd, boy. Which is, you know, I mean, you know, she's a. She's a medical professional, but I know it's tough for people to think. They just think, oh, Joel was lazy. He didn't apply himself in school like he should have. He. Blah. But no, I really should.

[Van Lathan]

I get on riddling, man.

[Joel Anderson]

It feels good, man. It's better, dog. I mean, I had to go through several medications before I settled on that because I, you know, some, you know, sometimes makes you depressed or low or tired or whatever else. There was so much I had to take.

[Van Lathan]

I took Vyvanse a little bit, and then I took. I can't remember the one after that.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Adderall.

[Van Lathan]

Not Adderall. It was one after. After the vibe ends. But this was with me, bro, making me a headache in the. In the evening, you know?

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah, it gives me headaches.

[Joel Anderson]

See, I don't like this. I didn't like having. I resisted taking drugs for so long because I was like, I don't want anything altering my mood.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah, you want to alter the brain. Brain chemistry there. But, yeah, nice note there. I'm trying to help.

[Joel Anderson]

Thank you. Whatever.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

A genuine thank you From Joel. Next up, Jake Russell said raise the roof from a day one Gatorade.

[Van Lathan]

Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

All right. We've been doing a lot today. Okay.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

We gotta raise the roof for the game.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I mean this is.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

You're supposed to have the enthusiasm of raising the roof.

[Joel Anderson]

I am.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Joe, why are you treating like they

[Van Lathan]

out here talking about their favorite college football players and all of this stuff? Why are you doing this?

[Joel Anderson]

I'll treat them. I'm treating them like take treats supporting als.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

It's not als. It's the ice bucket. You have to separate. You have to understand. Understand. You have to understand. Here's what Jake had to say. As a lifelong Texan from Fort Worth, I would love to hear Joel's commentary on some of the Texas schools from the micro perspective. Since the macro world, everyone has a different angle. Here's some of my perspectives from living here for so long. Texas he says bigger than themselves and everyone consider considers them the powerhouse from the macro standpoint. I personally don't think about them very much because of how big it is but of course I it gets tiring and obnoxious with the weird back seemingly every year Texas Tech was even hateable before the Sourcebee situation. Feels as if their redheaded stepchild as if they're the redheaded stepchild not being Texas or A M despite being in flat Lubbock and also tries to be the chief south and claim Mahomes to cling to some sort of relevance. Wow. This guy does not like Texas Tech A and M He says probably more angry at Texas than Texas is more angry at them and accept exhibits the most cult like college football behavior in the state Baylor Colt if Colt was run by the Baptist church and somehow got dirty Chip and Joanna funneled into a to put Shiplap in Waco. Wow.

[Joel Anderson]

Wow.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

TCU rich cowboys. But Forthworth Fort Worth is not as corporate as Dallas. SMU rich cowboys living in a place more corporate Texas State the partygoers not able to get into Texas and is what Austin thinks it is North Texas jazz musicians and he follows it up raised the roof Jake from Fort Worth do you agree Joel?

[Joel Anderson]

He's definitely right about Texas State. It invited being with Austin thinks it still is and it's on a come up there too. My my best friend man his two daughters are going to be going to school there in the fall and that's where he went. And I spent like a fourth of my college weekends down in San Marcos man. Like San Marcos was a lot of fun.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

You're a big tsu guy.

[Joel Anderson]

A big. Well, this is swt. Southwest. Southwest Texas State.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Swtsuk guy. But you don't call it that no more. They call it Texas State. I had a great time there. Oh, the other thing I was gonna say, man, Baylor is a sad place to me, dog. There's some weird bad that has gone down there, and you can feel it in the air when you're on campus. I never understood how people. How Waco has become a place that people want to go. Because that is a weird flip my house, people.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Yeah, man.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, the flip my house. People change. Waco growing up, all Waco was. Was the Branch Davidian branch of Indians. Yeah. It was like, yeah, Waco, bro.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I'm not.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Baylor won the national championship in basketball, man.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, dog. The dinner. He murdered, dog. Like, the. The Art Brows Rape factory. The. They had a motorcycle gang shootout in Waco once upon a time. You remember that? You guys remember hearing about that? It's just. It's just a weird place. I would. I. Look, my cousin went to Baylor, so whatever. But I just kind of. And my. And the one thing I had. The last thing I have to say. My wife wants to describe A M as a camp, a farm. There's a office park on a farm. You know what I'm saying? This is very way out there. She did not. My wife is a coastal elite. She does not like the middle part of the country very much. We know. Yeah.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

A M. I feel like if they didn't have the weird. What are the. What are those called? The cheer. Not. They're not cheerleaders, but like.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

The yell leaders. Like, I think that's what really hurts them as far as a national perspective.

[Joel Anderson]

It is a weird place, but I will say this. A and M are really, like. They're. It's. It's actually. Can be really fun. Aggies can be really delightful when you down there. It's just funny because they're like the punchline of the state. Right. And so, like, I could understand that. Like, all. For all their wealth and influence, they're still sort of the punchline of Texas. But I like going to Cowfield, man. It's pretty cool. They had some good. The Southwest Black Leadership Conference was there my freshman year. I had fun at that. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, shout out College Station in Texas. College towns.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Also Texas state in the PAC 12 now. So, like, they're gonna have more relevance. Yeah. I just want to give them some love. This is from Jeff. Jeff Said Houston listener here, shout out to Jeff. I know Joel was a proud, straight Jesuit guy, and I'd figured I'd represent the other side of the town as a St. John's alum. My question, what's the most quintessentially Houston thing that people didn't grow up there will never fully understand? Could be a food, a place, a weather phenomenon, a sports memory, or just. Or just a specific experience that immediately tells you someone is from Houston.

[Joel Anderson]

Wow.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

So

[Joel Anderson]

I think how nice and chill and cool we are, despite the chip we have on our shoulders. I'll admit that about Houston that, like.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Van, I'm gonna have to get your take on.

[Joel Anderson]

We're the fourth largest city in the country, and I feel like we don't get any of the respect the country a city that large gets. You know what I'm saying? It was a joke when I was at the Associated Press that all the writers in Houston would put in the nation's fourth largest city. Almost as a way to remind people, like, you know, we got a lot of going on down here, but so we do have a chip on our show about that.

[Van Lathan]

You'd say that.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Do you blame. Do you blame Dallas for that? Yeah, I feel like Dallas kind of

[Joel Anderson]

took the thunder away a little bit. But when you come to Houston, bro, we are the city. We are the chillest ever, dog. People like coming and chilling in Houston. You know, you people come down to Texas, to Houston to fly, smoke, drink, go out, and barbecue.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Shout out to the Latinos. A cool place.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. And. And the blackouts and the black folks.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah, right.

[Joel Anderson]

We share the city. We share the city. It's a cultural crossroads. Yeah, Cultural crossroads. Yeah, Billy. The real community of Houston and the black people, too, also. Don't forget that there's probably some Afro Latinos among that number. Numbers. So, man, before you forget my brother,

[Van Lathan]

say, man, shout out to the people down there. Those are probably Mexicans, bro.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Like, so. So shout out to all my Mexican brothers and sisters down there.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man, shout out to them. That's right. We share. We share. Houston is a. It's a very culturally diverse city. The most diverse city in the country is we always like to remind people.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah, the fourth largest. Any thoughts on Houston that Joel maybe missed out on?

[Van Lathan]

Houston is cool to go to. But the thing about Houston, though, Houston got a lot of culture, but it does feel like Houston culture besides the hip hop, which is like, Houston's one of the most important hip hop cities. DJ screw, like, it's one of the

[Joel Anderson]

most Important ghetto boys.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, all of that stuff. It's like legitimately one of the most important hip hop cities in the country. It does feel like hip hop. Like parts of Houston's culture sometimes are remnants of other parts of the country. Like it's a, it's a place where other people settle. I'm just being for real.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, all right.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, so. So you don't meet a lot of people in Houston to be like, my people from Louisiana, my people from here, my people from there, my people from there. And other.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, a bunch of folks are from Louisiana. Yeah, because that's our.

[Van Lathan]

And la and LA is that same way. But LA also has like Hollywood. So Hollywood kind of like, like takes that out of there. If you were to, if you were to. Plus Houston's industry, like Joe Joe was talking about, Houston's industry is like oil. And so for a big city, right? So, so like a, like oil and petrol camp for, for a big city, you normally have to have something a little bit more glossy that's associated with the city. New York is finance and Broadway and like all of that stuff, LA is Hollywood. Like all of that shit is going on. Like, even if you were talking about like oil people and shit like that, like that type of Texas shit, people associate Dallas more with that when Houston actually has a little bit more of that than Dallas. So if you are black, I think Houston has an incredible identity. An incredible identity. But outside of black people, I feel like the overall American cultural glitz and glamour. Houston don't have that.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, well, no, I mean, the thing I always say, and I was offended by at first, people would be like, man, Houston's ugly. Houston's an ugly city. I was like, you know what we are? We're just an ugly city, man. We got a really beautiful city. We don't have any zoning laws, so they throw up next to the. I mean, it's just a wild ass city, but it's just like, it's cool. Like you say you go down there, you can have a good time. We are, we're very friendly people and we're very welcoming. We want people to do, you know, to come down. Very friendly.

[Van Lathan]

And now they'll also. They'll kill you.

[Joel Anderson]

Now let's be honest. I mean, that's, I mean that, that is very friendly.

[Van Lathan]

You know, they'll kill you.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's the South. That's.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah, yeah, I agree. All right, last one, Drew from atlanta Again, it's ringertailgate gmail.com. if you keep sending in, we're going to do some more. Just kind of feedback from the tailgaters. But Drew from Atlanta said, big fan of the show. And, y', all, I was driving the other day, and Lionel Richie's banger All Night Long came on. In the second line of the song, he says, quote, raise the roof. I believe this song was from 1984. So it seems like Lionel invented Raise the Roof about 12 years before Joel did. Is it possible Joel plagiarized the great Billy Rich?

[Van Lathan]

Come on.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah, Billy, we need you for this. Yeah, like Drew from Atlanta with some investigating. I'm Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

Everybody, Everybody. Everybody wants to undermine me. I'm sure that collection of words has been put together. Does he do raise the roof in the video? No, because I've seen the video a bunch of times. He doesn't do that.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

So I'm gonna have to. I'm gonna have to watch it.

[Joel Anderson]

Roshan, do y' all know. Do y' all know who Lila Rochan is? I feel like.

[Van Lathan]

Of course.

[Joel Anderson]

Wait. Yeah, of course you do, Van.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Well, we're gonna. We're gonna watch the video.

[Joel Anderson]

Roshan is.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Yeah, of course we're gonna. Yeah, of course we're gonna watch the video. We're gonna see if he raises the roof.

[Joel Anderson]

They don't know who Sunshine is. That's sad.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

But 12 years before Joel, was she

[Van Lathan]

in Raise the roof and have some fun? No, you liar.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

It was in the context, too.

[Van Lathan]

It was completely in context as well. Joel, what do you have to say?

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, again, that people try to undermine. I'm sure he. Those words have been used in combination together, but. Sorry, I invented it.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, hold on for a second. Hold on for a second. I got a picture. I got a picture. Hold on, hold on. I got a picture to put like. I got a picture to put in the chat. I can make an argument that. I just looked this up. Hold on, hold on. I can make an argument that right here.

[Joel Anderson]

I gotta go see my. Time to go see my kids now.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, look at this.

[Joel Anderson]

Look at that.

[Van Lathan]

My nanny left right there. Look in the chat.

[Joel Anderson]

That's not a razor. That's not. His arms aren't even above his shoulder. His hands.

[Van Lathan]

I know, but he's on his way to do it.

[Joel Anderson]

Like, just got paid by Johnny Kemp. That looks more like that than razor.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, just got paid. That's a bank.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's what it looks like. He doing more like that. That. Nah, bro. Whatever. I mean, again, people want to undermine. I get it. I. You understand. I know people want to take that from Me. You just can't, though, Doug. It's mine.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Tough Drew from Atlanta trying to expose.

[Joel Anderson]

That's some haters, dog. I just said Atlanta was my favorite.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Would it be ho you think?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I'll say it's ho. Yeah.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Joel, you're a fairly accomplished person. You invented raised the roof fasted as 10 year olds at the time in America.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I went spelling bee at my school.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Okay, so good. So what would you say are like your top 3 proudest life achievements since you've accomplished so much?

[Joel Anderson]

Watch.

[Van Lathan]

I know he's gonna say watch.

[Joel Anderson]

Go ahead, man. That's tough.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Too many to choose from.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't know. My kids. That's my.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

That doesn't count. Throw that at.

[Joel Anderson]

Throw that, bro.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Future cops.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. You know?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Law and Order, Joel.

[Van Lathan]

Raising the future chief of police of the Washington Capital Police.

[Joel Anderson]

Not gonna be a. He's not gonna be Capitol Police.

[Van Lathan]

Washington Capital Police. He's like out there making sure the next gen.

[Joel Anderson]

He's just. He just. People, my son just wants to argue. When he's four years old, this is a very fun time for him to just think daddy don't know what the he talking about.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Just like Drew from Atlanta.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I mean, Drew's awesome dog. I'm sorry.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

He's a fan, Joe.

[Joel Anderson]

That was. Nah, I mean, you know, don't come here doing that dog, anyway. Yeah, well, I don't know.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Is it ho to claim that you invented something you clearly stole from?

[Joel Anderson]

I did not steal that from anybody, bro.

[Van Lathan]

Is it ho to act like you made some up? Do you know, saw the whole movement around it? And then for us to find out that one of our true luminaries. Lionel Richie. Yeah, like who? Who has helped and changed so many lives.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

We are the world.

[Van Lathan]

We are the world. You know how important a man Lionel Richie is.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

He gave us the call. Richie, you know what's funny?

[Joel Anderson]

Great.

[Van Lathan]

You know.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

You know what's funny?

[Van Lathan]

People say when you talk about.

[Joel Anderson]

Y' all ready?

[Van Lathan]

Underrated. You know who's actually underrated? Lionel Richie is underrated for everything that Lionel Richie has done. Hit maker still looks amazing records. We are the world. American Idol. Lionel Richie.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Raise the roof for Lionel Richie. Yeah, let's raise a roof.

[Van Lathan]

You know, right now, the funny thing

[Joel Anderson]

in my house was always known it. No. Get the out of here. All right, all right, all right. In my house.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

Do we change it at the start of the show?

[Van Lathan]

Will we raise the roof? We gonna raise the roof for a true pioneer, Lionel Richie, who actually invented it.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

All right, well, we gotta go do the ALS challenge.

[Joel Anderson]

Don't be so excited.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

We gotta go get this to win. Well, there you have it. First edition of the tail bag again. When we come back next week, we have August, which is it's officially college football season. Preseason. We got some fun awards, some fun things to discuss. We'll break down, we'll preview. We got it all coming on ringer tailgate. Thanks to everybody for sending in. Shout out to all the gators. Let's raise the roof one last time.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, the real way. The real.

[Host - Likely a Producer or Main Moderator]

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