Best CFB Players by Jersey Number. Plus, College Fantasy Football?!

Summary

Ringer Tailgate - July 15, 2026

Episode: Best CFB Players by Jersey Number. Plus, College Fantasy Football?!

Hosts: Tate Frazier, Van Lathan, Joel Anderson, and Billy Gill

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Episode Overview

This episode of Ringer Tailgate takes listeners on a wild ride through college football’s lean summer weeks. The crew shares hilarious banter while unpacking ESPN’s “Best CFB Players by Jersey Number” list, debating icons by number, and discussing the launch of college football fantasy leagues. Along the way, they riff about mailbag segment rebranding, call each other out for social media “betrayal,” and revisit cherished arguments—landing somewhere between sharp football analysis and uproarious sideline chaos.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Mailbag Rebrand: “Tail Bag”

[00:13-11:00]

• The guys brainstorm new names for their listener Q&A, tired of the generic "mailbag" label.
  • Billy tries out ideas sourced from thesaurus.com—“Spam Folder” is vetoed.
  • Van suggests “Tail Bag” (riffing on “Tailgate” and “Black Tail” magazine), which the group loves.
  • Email submissions: ringertailgatemail.com (with jokes about random Room227mail.com).
• Memorable moment: Extended round of banter about Black Tail magazine and ESPN employee Disney perks.

“How about we call it a tail bag?”
—Van [09:18]

2. College Football Jersey Numbers – The Great Debate

[48:42-65:31]

• The centerpiece is ESPN’s “Best CFB Players by Jersey Number” article; each host takes issue with certain picks.

  • Trevor Lawrence picked over Peyton Manning (#16) stirs fierce debate.
    • Van: “This is fucking ridiculous. Even all these stats...if you put all this shit in context...Peyton Manning was a transformational figure.” [50:49]
    • Joel notes Lawrence was the only one of the bunch who didn’t win the Heisman.
  • Davey O’Brien (#8) chosen over Lamar Jackson, Julio Jones, Marcus Mariota.
    • Joel defends honoring pioneers with awards named after them, but Van and Tate point out O’Brien’s era stats (1400 passing yards was record).
    • “You got a five foot seven folk hero...above Lamar Jackson?” —Van [53:53]
  • Peter Warrick snubbed for Joe Burrow (#10), and Darren McFadden picked over Reggie Bush/LT (#5).
    • Van and Tate argue Bush should be #5 (“It’s a joke, dog” —Van [58:21])
  • Discussion of loaded numbers (e.g., #34: Herschel Walker, Bo Jackson, Walter Payton, Ricky Williams).
  • Billy asks which numbers are “up for grabs” for rising stars (open for debate: #25, #31, etc.).

• Frequent theme: Modern vs. historical era bias, position differences, and the challenge of cross-era comparison.

3. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Jersey Numbers:

  “I think Joe Burrow is fucking clearly, clearly better than Peter Warwick...he turned into a demigod that second year.”
  —Van [56:01]

• On Historical Inclusion:

  “Do you know that Warren Sapp, Ray Lewis, and Michael Irvin aren’t in the College Football Hall of Fame?!”
  —Joel [64:25]

4. Fantasy College Football?!

[65:55-67:53]

• Billy floats the news: Official fantasy college football is launching.
  • Joel and Van immediately dismiss their own participation.
  • Joel: “I’m grinding tape, man. I ain’t got time to play fantasy football.” [66:45]
  • Jokes about NIL implications and whether players will get residuals.

5. The “Ho or No” Segment & Social Media Drama

[19:38-43:53]

• Joel’s Instagram post with Danny Heifetz (“No beef here” pic) is put on trial as a possible “ho” move.
  • Van mock-adjudicates: “It’s not ho shit, it’s sad shit...You used Heifetz, a side chick, to make your wife jealous.” [22:45]
  • Joel insists every friend meet-up must warrant a picture, especially as life gets busier.
  • Extended banter about ringer personalities not “living their raps,” and missed hangouts.
• The crew ranks which insults sting more: “bitch” vs. “ho,” with Houston regional context (Joel: “In Houston, we say ho for anything...that’s just our culture.” [40:07])
• Bizarre hypotheticals about Joel “tussling” with men he finds “handsome,” in line with the tail bag's new, chaotic tone.

6. Monster Energy Big 12 Conference

[78:00-82:14]

• Big 12 inks a $20 million/year deal: “Monster Energy Big 12 Football.”
  • The group clowns the cringey new branding.
  • Van: “Isn’t this kind of corny? It’s so indicative of how bullshit the conference is.” [79:37]
  • Joel confesses past Monster addiction (2–3 cans/day), but his wife made him quit.
  • Riffs about possible future sponsors: Dude Wipes, OnlyFans.

7. Deion Sanders on the Athletic and College Football Video Game

[74:11-75:54]

• Deion Sanders explains why he's not in College Football 27—offers a sarcastic thanks to The Athletic.
  • Joel: “The Athletic was on his ass early...they were just doing journalism.” [74:57]
  • The situation now is normalized: “Now everybody does the Deion.”

8. Segmental Highlights and Banter

• Recurring bits:
  • Who’s the finest guy? (Running joke, both earnest and facetious)
  • Re-litigation of who flakes hardest on dinner plans and hangouts.
  • Tailgate Field Day legal woes (“…have to, like, hire attorneys to draft waivers,” —Van [24:21])
  • Lighthearted regional roasting: Texas vs. Louisiana vs. the world ([86:10] onward)

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Highlighted Timestamps

• 00:13–11:00: Mailbag → “Tail Bag” banter, cruise stories, Disney perks
• 19:38–43:53: “Ho or No” — Instagram “beefs” and friend shenanigans
• 48:42–65:31: Jersey Number debate (Peyton vs. Trevor, O’Brien vs. Lamar, Bush vs. McFadden)
• 65:55–67:53: College fantasy football launch, reactions
• 78:00–82:14: Monster Energy Big 12 partnership
• 74:11–75:54: Deion Sanders, the Athletic, and game snubs

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Quotes of the Episode

• On ‘Ho or No’:

  “You used Hyphens, a side chick, to make your wife jealous. That’s sad.”
  —Van [22:45]

• On jersey numbers:

  “You got a five foot seven folk hero… above Lamar Jackson?”
  —Van [53:53]

  “This is fucking crazy…Peyton Manning was a transformational figure.”
  —Van [50:49]

• On Monster Big 12:

  “It’s so indicative of how bullshit the conference is.”
  —Van [79:37]

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Final Thoughts and Tone

Ringer Tailgate is at its best when it veers between sharp, passionate football takes and inside-joke chaos. This episode delivers the fun, the feuds, and pure summer CFB energy: grilling ESPN’s lists, side-eyeing conference rebrands, and keeping their own running game of “ho or no” alive. Listeners get hardcore college football insight filtered through the kind of crew energy you’d want at your own tailgate—a little smarter, way funnier, sometimes off the rails.

For next week:

• Will “Tail Bag” catch on?
• Will the epic dinner actually happen?
• Which CFB player will emerge to snatch one of those up-for-grabs numbers?

Stay tuned (and raise the roof)!

Transcript

[A]

Foreign.

[B]

Welcome back to Ringer Tailgate, the Wednesday edition of the show. I'm your host, Tate Frazier. It's a beautiful time. It's the middle of July, a downtime in all of sports right now, and that's the perfect time for Ringer Tailgate. But first and foremost, let's say what's up to our guys. Van Lathan in studio. What's up, Van?

[A]

What up? What up? What up? How's everyone doing?

[B]

Yeah, we have a lot to get to today, mainly because of Joel Anderson, who is adding names to the dis list. We'll get to that a little bit later. But Joel in the horn frogs T shirt. What's up, man? How you doing?

[C]

What's up, man? Horn frogs and what's up? Where are we gonna raise the roof?

[A]

Raise the roof, baby.

[C]

You know we didn't do it last week.

[B]

Yeah, we. We took a week off. We had a little vacation time. Hope everybody enjoyed their holiday. But, yeah, we're back and we got some housekeeping at the top of the. Because we are planning to do what? We're deeming a mailbag, but we're trying to do something different because the mailbag is washed. You know what I mean? A lot of people have done mailbags. We want a new name. And Billy, are you there? Billy's back. Billy is trying to help us. Yeah, raise the roof. There you go.

[C]

There you go.

[B]

We're trying to find a new name for the mailbag. We need a new kind of way to frame this. So, Billy, I know you went to your trusted source, thesaurus.com. do you have any updates here on the mailbag?

[D]

Yeah. So, Tate. Hey, guys. How's it. How's it going? I feel it's been a while since we've all been together doing a show. Like, I've kind of missed.

[A]

You were gone.

[C]

You were gone. Tell us what the cruise was. Where did you go?

[D]

What's your obsession with this cruise?

[C]

Like, why do you keep. Why are you being secretive about it?

[D]

It's not secretive. No one cares but you.

[C]

No, I do. I care. I want to know where did you.

[D]

What do you want to know? The stops, like where I got on the ship, the name of the ship? Like, what do you need to know?

[C]

The name of the cruise line and where you went on the cruise.

[D]

Okay. I mean, we went on a Disney cruise because I have a.

[B]

We said.

[C]

We talked about Disney. All right?

[D]

I have a five year old and now a three year old, so it was like age appropriate for them. And we made some Stops. We stopped in Cozumel. We stopped in Jamaica, which was incredible.

[C]

Wow.

[D]

We went to Cayman Islands and then we had a little stop in the Bahamas and we're back.

[C]

Amazing. How long did that take? Like a week?

[D]

Yeah, it was a week. It was out of Port Canaveral, near Orlando. We drove up to it, then we drove back. No one cares.

[C]

Like, why I'm interested. I'm interested.

[D]

You're not interested.

[B]

Are there characters on the cruise? Like, is it like Mickey on the cruise there?

[D]

There were a lot of characters and they were readily available. We had a little autograph book. We got like 18 or 19 autographs. So it was a, it was a good week for the autograph book. The princesses were there. Some Marvel characters were there.

[A]

Can I ask you a question?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

So do your kids realize that the people that they saw on the cruise is bootleg? Right. Because, well, if you go to Disney World or you go to Disneyland, you see Mickey and Minnie and the princesses and that's where they live. Yeah, the, that they put on the cruise.

[C]

Hey, dog. Y' all see these motherfuckers pushing each other, dog, like they're finally getting into it.

[D]

Joel's watching.

[B]

Yeah. There is a World cup game happening right now.

[A]

The people that they sit on the cruise, that's kind of the off brand.

[D]

Nah.

[A]

Mickey and Minnie. Did you explain that to them? No, they were people that, like, they

[D]

were on vacation with us. Like, they wanted to come on vacation, so they went on the cruise with us same week.

[C]

I bet we got lucky. I bet they, they've already been to Disney World, haven't they, Billy?

[D]

Yeah, the real one.

[C]

Yeah. This is the ESPN thing. This is the perks from your ESPN days. Correct.

[D]

Going.

[A]

Why would he still be getting purchased where he no longer works there?

[C]

Well, you probably got a build up of points or some like that, I assume.

[D]

No, Right.

[B]

You used to get a card,

[A]

Joel. Do you have a build up of points? You worked at ESPN for a long time, too.

[C]

No, I didn't, I didn't even, you know, I'm really bad with paperwork, so I didn't even.

[A]

What?

[B]

This is pre assistant. This is before Joe got it.

[C]

And I left ESPN three years before I had a kid, so, so it wasn't, I was never gonna go. You know what I'm saying?

[D]

I, I, I unceremoniously left ESPN while my wife was pregnant, so I never got to benefit from those perks either. With my kids.

[C]

Yeah, you could cut line and like that. They say you can.

[B]

No.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

No.

[B]

If You.

[C]

If you work.

[B]

No, you don't cut line. They just give you a card and then you can go.

[C]

No, you can get. You can get in line first, since that's what they told me.

[D]

That's a lie.

[B]

No, that's a. You get a lightning pass, I guess.

[D]

No, no.

[A]

Yeah. Lightning pass, though. Anybody can get that.

[C]

Yeah, no, but we got it espn. You didn't.

[D]

Do you think it sounds like. What did you have? You never used the cards. You never.

[A]

You know what the. Funny. Can I tell you something that Joel doesn't understand?

[C]

They had a great car rental deal, though.

[A]

The rest of the rest of you guys, like, when they would bring you in for your reviews and stuff like that, they would tell you about, like, the raises and the promotions that they were going to give you and all that stuff like that. What Joel was really working for at ESPN was a special Disney card that allowed him to cut to the front of the line.

[C]

No.

[A]

Because that's the kind of dream that they sell, guys like Joel.

[C]

No. Where's the cut the line card? That's something you already get. No.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And the thing is, the way ESPN works, I already knew what I was gonna get every year because it's your contract. So, you know, I knew what I was getting year one, year two, and if they had picked up my option for year three now, people on the Internet would say, oh, you. ESPN didn't want you. You got. They fire you, whatever. No, I went to Slate to do the Slow Burn before and. But I knew. But I knew that I probably didn't have a future at ESPN because they don't give a fuck.

[A]

Would they have picked up your option? Oh, would they have picked up your. Your player option?

[C]

They would have.

[A]

Team option.

[C]

They would have. But the expectation is that they would say, we want you to write more. And my rejoinder to that is that you all tell us not to write like there was a. It was a big deal. Like, they just didn't want you to write a lot of stories for whatever reason. And then when I go in to negotiate, they're like, maybe we could just write a little bit more.

[A]

I can ask you a question here.

[C]

Yeah, go ahead, Cash, your question.

[A]

Did they want you not to write a lot of stories or did they want you not to write a lot of stories?

[C]

No.

[A]

Were you coming in with too many pitches?

[C]

No.

[D]

They knew.

[C]

They knew I could go, right? They knew I could go. They knew I could roll. The writing wasn't a problem. Problem.

[D]

I mean, stock tidy versus adding.

[C]

Not a lot of not a lot of editing. I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm a joy to work with. I understand. Editor say, because, you know, I'm very good at. Ask Mallory. You. You probably. Y' all probably saw her at Bill's house the other day or some. Ask her what was July when you.

[A]

What was July?

[C]

S. How was it? How. What did y' all do?

[A]

Phenomenal.

[C]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

Great deal of fun.

[C]

Of fun. All right.

[B]

What did you do?

[A]

A lot of fun. We had fun. Drinking, talking. Adam was there.

[C]

We had a lot of music.

[A]

You know Adam. You know who Adam was?

[C]

You know Adam is Adam Friedlander.

[A]

No, that's my man, too, though.

[B]

But did you just diss our co worker right there?

[D]

He's everybody.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Wait, who's.

[B]

Was Adam Friedland. Not Friedlander.

[C]

Oh, yeah. My bad. All right.

[A]

These are my friends, so. Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

Which Adam was it?

[A]

I saw. I saw. Hold on. I saw you on the links. I saw you on the links with. I saw you. I saw the picture. Wait, did Billy even give a chance to give the answer to the question? That's good.

[D]

We're gonna do.

[B]

We're gonna do ho or no later, we're gonna talk about Joel. We're gonna figure out what that was, but. Yeah. The mailbag. Billy, did we come up with anything using thesaurus.com?

[D]

nah. So I went to Joel's website, thesaurus.com. i feel like we can't call it mailbag. Everyone calls it mailbag. Right. Like, everyone just says they're doing a mailbag. So, like, the best I came up with was a spam folder. But then I'm. I feel like we're just encouraging bad behavior there, and Joel may or may not be reaching out to people on Reddit, having them post things to send us information and send us questions. So you got to be careful with Reddit.

[A]

No.

[C]

Sometimes you. Billy, you have your own subreddit over there. You know this, right? Billy Gill, the subreddit over there. Do you follow that?

[D]

It's not that active.

[C]

Yeah. So, I mean, there's not that many people that follow it, but, you know, it's over there.

[B]

Disc number two.

[A]

But the thing about this. This is. You have to understand is it's jealousy, which is the thing that.

[C]

Don't try to.

[A]

Joe wants his.

[C]

Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't.

[A]

Don't.

[C]

I don't care about.

[A]

That's jealousy.

[C]

That's not.

[A]

Why would you bring it up? Why don't you bring it up?

[C]

Because I See it when it's in my. I started going on the Reddit because actually, you know, I talked all this shit about Reddit for years. I'm thinking that it was like Gab or the Daily Storm or some shit like that. But actually they have people on there with interesting topics, saying interesting things. So every now and again I go on there and then they send you shit that you might like, and they're like, oh, here's this Billy Gill subreddit. You know, I haven't followed it yet. Maybe I should, though.

[D]

Maybe Joel's just feeling spicy because he got a new chair. So he's like. He's got the big chair.

[B]

He's got a new setup.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. So he's feeling good.

[C]

Nice setup. Appreciate it, man. Thank you, man. My wife got.

[A]

How about we call it a tail bag?

[D]

Ooh, tail bag.

[A]

Tail bag. It's kind of like. It's not a mailbag, it's a tail bag, you know, with tail, with gators. You know, it's a tail bag, but it's also like, you know, get tail. Because there was Black Tail magazine.

[C]

Did you hear?

[A]

Joel remembers.

[C]

I remember. I know, I remember. Joe remembers.

[A]

Blacktail magazine. Did you ever partake in Black Tail, Billy?

[D]

Yeah, I got that when we. When we got our raise at espn. We got subscriptions. That and the cut the line cards.

[B]

Yeah, those are the two birds.

[D]

So it's like time for bonuses.

[B]

Like, I'm just gonna tell him he gets his car. They gave him a paper to cut

[D]

the line at Disney.

[C]

Yeah, man. Somebody rco my boy Dave Wilson, Sam Khan, whatever, confirmed to me that you could get the cut in line card or whatever at Disney. I'm pretty sure you could get that. Okay.

[B]

I don't know about that. That seems like a made up myth.

[C]

Yeah, but, you know, that's what they told me. I don't know.

[B]

Well, all right, so we got tail bag.

[C]

Yeah, that's pretty good.

[D]

If you want to send us something for tail bags, fanfold, whatever you want to call it. Ringertailgatemail.com I tried unsuccessfully, because we had already secured ringertailgatemail.com and I thought, this is just too generic. We need something just for us. So I tried room227mail.com and found that someone already owns room227gmail.com. So if you want to email that email and figure out who they are, let us know. We'd kind of love to get to the bottom of that.

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

And Joe will Be responding.

[A]

I guarantee you that room227, mail.com is the freakiest shit.

[C]

No way.

[A]

I guarantee you that. It's a special Tusslers.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Special club of Tusslers.

[C]

It might be a fan of the old Mara Gibbs show, you know, 227. There's no but.

[A]

But that. That will be apartment. That would be. That would be apartment 227 if they did that.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Because that's not a room. That's an apartment. Right.

[C]

Fair point.

[A]

So, like. So, so, like, room 227. I bet you it's a special sanctuary for people that like to go.

[C]

I mean, you're the one that's brought up black tail and tailbag today. You going on some freak, to be honest. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

So I always am.

[C]

Baby, you need to.

[A]

I always am. Well, see, the only difference between me and you, Joe, is I admit it. Like, people gotta go and see what you follow it on the ground.

[B]

He's unfollowing, he's updating, he's auditing.

[C]

We're not gonna talk about that. Okay, we are not going to talk about that. But anyway. Well, you know, first of all, Van, who's number two on your finest list? You know what I'm saying? Because you said you had. Maduka Okoye is number one on the top of your list?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So who's number two?

[A]

I can't think of number two right now. I would have to think about it. But that's Rachel's job to do it. I don't want to take that away from her. Number one I could do so. Because y' all seen the Nigerian goalie, right? Yeah, the guy's fine. He's a fine guy. Fine. He look good. So my thing is. Is, like. Is. My thing is I'm trying to. Who's the number two? Tate and Billy, you guys, who y' all feel like the finest guy in the world is? Tell us right now. To you.

[B]

The finest guy in the world.

[D]

Anyone or black?

[B]

Could be both.

[D]

I feel like Michael B. Jordan gets a lot of love. Yeah.

[A]

All he does. Mike gets a lot of love. That's what. That's way up there. Tate, what about you? Finest?

[C]

Watch.

[A]

Tate watch. Here's the thing about Tate watch. Tate say, like, dude, I don't know, when you really look at it pound for pound, like, Quincy Acuff is probably. What's his name? Quincy. Darren Acuff wasn't Darius. Darius. He's gonna say, like, Darius Acuff is probably the finest Guy. When you look at his muscle to fat ratio, who do you think the finest guy is? Who's the finest guy?

[B]

That's tough. You know what I mean? I don't really know if I have a pick right now. These days, you know, there used to be the. The usual suspects, right? The Clooneys, the pits, you know, Was always a good one back in the day. But I feel like modern times, we're too divided, you know, we can't find

[D]

a guy, these guys, who's that influencer guy that's like super jacked, that like chases down cars and stuff, you know? I mean, that he did like those videos, like waking up in the morning and he put his face like in the water.

[A]

Oh, you like that? You like that?

[C]

Oh, no, no.

[A]

Yeah, Ashton Hall. No, you're not just asking nothing. You looked at him and you saw him running and you went, there's a fine looking man. And that's okay.

[D]

Not with my head. Well, none of them. Nothing.

[A]

Yeah, like. Yeah, like, you know, you. Joe, for you. Who's the finest guy?

[C]

The finest guy.

[A]

Watch Joe be like Bomani.

[C]

Hey, man. Well, I mean, I know your pop said Billy Dee Williams number one on his list for finest niggas.

[A]

My dad loved. Yeah, okay.

[C]

Yeah, my old man didn't have a finest guy on top of his fine sky list. He didn't keep nothing like that. But that's fine. Let's see. I'll go with Jude Bellingham, dog. You know, he's an attractive.

[B]

Yeah, Jude Bellingham's a good answer.

[A]

Bellingham is a good. This guy right here, number 10 for England. I'm seeing him right now. Yeah, he look good? Yeah, he look good.

[C]

The women been talking about him? The women been talking about him, man.

[D]

No, but you. Who do you like now?

[C]

Well, I don't. I don't know everybody. But I mean, he, he. He seems like a really reasonable.

[A]

No, no, no. Who do you look at, Joel? Do you think this is a great looking guy?

[C]

I don't. You know, I mean. Cause not Marcus Freeman. I'm trying to think, is there any basketball players or something?

[D]

Doug, does it have to be an athlete? It could be like your wife's husband or something. Whatever. Your friend's husband.

[A]

It could be somebody, you know? It could be someone.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

At the local Whole Foods.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

You said that you followed Justin Timberlake earlier. You obviously like what he's got going.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, I like Justin Timberlake's music, man. That was. Was fine. 2003. Let's see.

[B]

I Don't even think he had a single in 2003.

[A]

Yeah, we got better after that, but that's okay.

[C]

No, he did. That's when I heard it on the radio.

[A]

I don't want you to move the goal post. Tell us who you wanna.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

I don't want, like. I don't want you to.

[B]

Who do you want to tussle with?

[A]

Now? You have to start talking about Justin Timberlake and all that. I gave that kind of. I don't want to answer who the women think is fine. I want to know who met Joel Tingle. Billy loves Ashton Hall.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Like.

[A]

Like, like Tate. I could tell he's got a roster. Who do you like, Joel?

[C]

I just. Man, these are pushing today, man. I just asked y' all who was fighting a fight. I gave you Joe Bellingham.

[A]

Hell n, Joe. Joel, until you tell us which guy you would love to give a massage, I'm. I'm going to have to believe I'm

[C]

not giving nobody a massage.

[B]

I think this is perfect for the tail bag. I think, you know, reach out to us. If you ask a direct question to Joe. Yeah.

[A]

Anybody that reaches out to the. To. To the. To. To. The tailback is a official tailbagger. Tailbaggers. Men, tell us who your male guy is. Number two think looks good.

[C]

It's got to be number two, because number one is. What's the old boy's name? Maduka Ao right now.

[A]

Madukio Koe Cole, bro. Yeah, I think he got it.

[C]

That's right.

[A]

He got it. Joe, what you want me to say?

[C]

Okay, you want to give? Okay.

[A]

That's the kind of guy that would have showed up. You would have heard, and Joe would have gone to the door with his shirt off. And you'd be like, is this sweater vest?

[B]

No, no.

[A]

I hear sweater vest, no shirt. I hear this is where a young man gets his.

[C]

You guys. You guys don't understand, because I was talking about this with my homeboy who played football at Wake Forest.

[D]

What does he look like?

[A]

He's a big.

[C]

He's a big.

[D]

Compare him to Ashton.

[C]

We grew up in most city together. We grew up together. Ed knows who he is. Ed. Like, the thing about Ed, that's my dog, man. And either women really, really liked it or they really, really didn't like it. I mean, Ed, we used to do a thing when we were in college. We'd be like. We go up to a girl we see and, like, tell this nigga he ugly. You know what I'm saying? And then you know, that's how we would start a conversation with a young lady.

[A]

It would be like you both are great looking and then you guys would share deep, passionate kids.

[C]

Hey, you know, you, I mean, really on your. What's old boy Curry. What's his name? The kid that got kicked off the Detroit Pistons. You really on your now man

[B]

Curry.

[A]

Oh, okay, cool.

[B]

So there, there you have it. Reach out. We can have all these conversations and more. Just reach out to us. We'll get it going. We're gonna take a quick break and then when we come back, we got one big debate. We got to figure it out. Ho or no. We'll talk about Joel's recent IG post and also a couple other instances and happenings in the world. We'll be right back right after this. This episode is presented by EA Sports College Football 27, where you can define your path in road to glory with deeper customization and new positions. And the fun doesn't have to end when school's out. With the MVP bundle, get access to College Football 27, Madden NFL 27 and more rewards to help you go from high school recruit to NFL superstar. Make your eyes learn more about the MVP bundle now. Conditions and restrictions apply. See EA.com games EA sports-college-football/college-football-27/game-disclaimers for details. All right, we're back. Ring your tailgate and we have to get into one of our favorite games invented by a man, Joel Anderson on the show who has never been afraid to call call someone a hoe.

[C]

I don't see this on our list by the way. You didn't call it hoe and no on the list.

[B]

Well, this is a one big debate because there was a post and a lot of people have reached out to me about this post. They're like really joking. Is he upset? And in case you missed it, people reached out. Follow by Joel Anderson again. He is a writer and he is on Instagram. It is at by Joel Anderson and he said this, this is all quotes a picture of him and Danny Heifetz, our ringer teammate here. And he's chugging up the deuces in the photo. Joel is and he said, quote, absolutely no beef here. Just me and my good friend Danny Heifetz of ringer Fantasy football out at the range with a half smoke and a cold beer. My co hosts, all three of us sitting here.

[C]

I didn't mention Billy, okay?

[B]

My co host at ringer tailgate could learn a thing or 30 from Danny who was a supportive and generous instructor and a great hang. Maybe Van and Tate can figure out how to make amends at their next dinner in LA with Cam Johnson and Tommy Alter. Those are two more disses that you can throw into the dis list for the day. In quote, Joel has obviously taken shots here, and that begs the question, Van, ho shit or no shit? Do we take this as a. A ho shit act by our. Our here, Joel Anderson, or is this no shit?

[A]

So I don't take it as ho shit. I really don't. I take it as sad shit because. So it's not ho. It's not no shit. It's sad, bruh. Me and Tate, this is why. Let me tell you why. Me and Tate send pictures to the group text of us hanging out, okay? Because I hit Tate up and I say, yo, Tate, you want to throw the baseball? And Tay goes, yeah. And then Joel says that we not gonna throw the baseball. Joel says we not gonna go to dinner. Joel says we not gonna go to the USC game.

[C]

Okay?

[A]

Joel says that. So because me and Tate have every single intention of hanging out, I have to let Joel know in the group text that me and Tate have hung out. Me and Tate used to be on the phone all the time, particularly when there was a very specific drama that was happening at the ringer. But me and Tate will be on the phone all the time. Tate is my actual homeboy.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

If they didn't live so far, we'd hang out more. But Tate lives in Bum la. Off the coast of Bum. Right. So very far. Okay. All right.

[B]

So beautiful town.

[C]

Really?

[A]

The reason that is. That is the only reason why.

[C]

Why do y' all live so far apart in la? That doesn't make any sense.

[A]

That he's a West side. It's an expansive city.

[C]

That is the.

[A]

That is the reason why I put that. I don't take it to Instagram.

[C]

I.

[A]

And call Joel out, because there's nothing sad in my heart about my life and my friends. So Joel is trying to do. This is not ho shit. I wouldn't put that. Joel actually don't do very much ho shit. I'll give that to him. But it was sad to see that you couldn't just have a good time on your own.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

With another.

[B]

You were thinking about this, though.

[C]

I didn't know.

[A]

I think it was sad that you used hyphas, a side chick, to make your wife jealous.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That's.

[D]

That.

[A]

Like, that.

[B]

That's sad when you got a yes, Jewel situation.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Is it like that's a.

[D]

That's deep cut.

[C]

Oh, girl. Probably. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

But, but, but what I'll say is, like, bro, I looked at it, I was like, this is sad, bro. We made for great content. Made for great content, though.

[B]

Any rebuttal there?

[C]

No. I mean, I think as we had said that Danny, I remember when we brought it up on the show, for instance, he said, you guys are not going to do that. And then you guys also said. You said, tate, oh, I'm going to get mad at you because I'm going to go golf, you're going to go with Danny. And I said, oh, no, we're going to hang out because we're colleagues and we've been talking about doing this forever. And actually, when we were out there, we would have taken pictures anyway, because I. As you know from me being in real life, I believe friends should take pictures every time they leave each other's company. Like, you should get that one last picture, because you never know if it's gonna be the last time you see somebody. So. So I took that picture with hyphens, and we were just like, yeah, let's laugh. Let's throw this, throw that up. And also, it was true because y'. All. I mean, again, y' all upon got three times over the last year. Good. I'm proud of y'. All. Y' all threw the balls around. So, you know. You know what's funny? You know it's funny. We're not going to have ringa tailgate field day, too. I told you motherfuckers that. And we not going to do it.

[A]

I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. The reason why we might not have it. So I'll tell you why we might not have it. The reason why we might not have it is what I didn't realize in trying to put this together is there's like, legal shit like, oh, yeah, you got it. Yeah. So that's what I didn't realize. The thing that's actually stopping us from having ring or field day is that, like, I gotta. I gotta like, hire attorneys to, like, draft injury waivers and all of that shit like that. And that's the thing that I did not know. Now, if we wanna do what they came back to me with, if we wanna just do ring or field day for ourselves, we could do that.

[C]

I never.

[B]

Zero content. Zero cameras, you're saying?

[D]

No.

[C]

What?

[A]

No, no, no, no. Just us, but on camera. I wanted to bring a Whole bunch of people out there and have ringer to.

[C]

Oh, I didn't give a. About if anybody else came out there to do activities, you know what I'm saying? I thought it was always about us. Maybe a few. Maybe a few other ring of personalities, you know what I'm saying?

[B]

Like, High Fitz.

[C]

I'm out there.

[A]

The.

[D]

The.

[C]

Danny's. Craig, Bill.

[D]

You're. I don't think Bill's gonna be there.

[B]

I think that's Brian.

[C]

I get Brian, actor. Come on out. You know what I'm saying?

[D]

You're leaving. The genesis of this hangout with was you bragging that you're gonna hang out with him despite Tate and Van.

[C]

No, no, no, no.

[D]

Yeah, because they said no. Yeah. And it goes back once. No, it goes back once.

[B]

And defy your beef with the show because you. Yeah, you had beef with them.

[D]

Here's what happened. They said that they were going out, and they said that they were gonna go hang out. And then you said. This actually started when they played that clip of you making fun of you, saying that you invented raising the roof.

[B]

And they were laughing at you. They were laughing at you.

[D]

They said that they were not. And that, I believe, opened the line of communication between you and them. Then Van and Tate said that they were gonna hang out, and you said, well, I don't care about that. I'm gonna hang out with Danny Heifetz. To which then some of us laughed at that and said, you're not making anyone jealous. And the reason I. I remember that is because I was the one that laughed at that. And I said that.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

I said that in jest.

[C]

Okay?

[D]

And then here's a. Here's a part of the story that you don't know know, because I've, you know, talked to Hyphetz a couple of times, but we're not on the same show. We don't really cross the same path. So, like, I thought, like, whatever. It's just making a joke. Right? Until I was in Stockholm and I came out of a. I came out of a bathroom stall, and Danny Heifetz was in the bathroom, and I was like, hey, man, what's up? How's it going? And he's like, you're just gonna say hey, man to me like that. Like, after you are saying, like, who's who? Like, Joel's gonna hang out with me and make fun of me? I was like, whoa. Like, are we gonna. Am I gonna be attacked in a bathroom in Stockholm at a company function?

[C]

We need Danny.

[B]

So you gotta hold On.

[A]

Hold on. Was he being serious?

[D]

I don't think so. I think that it was light hearted because we. We the. You know, the rest of the time, you know, cross paths a couple more times. He told me everyone was hanging out

[B]

at a bar one night.

[D]

But I'm just saying, Joel, you got to be careful with this hyphen.

[C]

Joel, still, really, you seem like you had fear in your heart. You thought,

[A]

I'm not gonna bullshit you, Billy. Billy. I was about to say, Billy, if you telling the story right now of how hypus hold you, you might want to play put that one on the back burner.

[D]

I'm telling you guys, you gotta be

[C]

very careful if you.

[D]

If you're just using him as a toy, Joel, to kind of make Van and Tate jealous. You're crossing the wrong one. We're gonna hang out in the bathroom.

[C]

Danny and I, we had a great time. I mean, that was the point. We had been talking about doing this going back a year when we found out we both lived in the DMV area.

[B]

So it took a year for you guys to get.

[C]

Yeah, well, because, look, I've got. Look, it's very hard for me to see my friends right now because I've got two little ones.

[A]

So it's just, you know, stop with the bullshit.

[D]

You can make time.

[A]

Somebody asked me. Hold on, Joel.

[B]

Joe, you're also unfollowing a lot of. Joel, that takes time.

[C]

My friends come.

[A]

Joe, somebody. Somebody asked me. Somebody asked me. Now, I can't say exactly what they told me.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Right. But I was hanging out with a friend of mine that loves Tailgate. I was hanging out with a friend of mine, and they said, van, where are we? Right? I'm like, we out having a couple of drinks and watching the game. He was like, I have four children. He was like, my youngest is two. My oldest is nine. I have four kids. He was like, if I want to go out and hang out with a house full of kids, I can do it. He's like, that motherfucker is lying. I don't know.

[C]

Father or partner

[A]

or. He said as a second or option. He said, the second option is that you were like, I'm not talking about being.

[C]

You know what I'm saying?

[A]

And so that was the second one. That was the second one. Oh, by the way, Joe, by the

[C]

way, your friend sounds like he's got a real problem with sexism and gender roles. You know what I'm saying? And I don't know.

[A]

He doesn't.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Maybe he. Maybe he's all his kids to hang out at the house.

[D]

What's your friend look like?

[B]

Just saying.

[C]

I know people do that. Yeah.

[A]

What you mean? What you talking about? White or black?

[D]

No. Compared to Ashton.

[A]

Yeah. Is he good looking?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Nah, he. He. He a white boy, but he not bad, though.

[D]

Would Joel tussle with him?

[A]

I think Joel would definitely tussle with him. That's. That, that's Joe's type of vanilla right there.

[B]

That's tussle milk.

[C]

Y' all nasty. Y' all nasty. Tail bag and tussle milk. Y' all need. Y' all need to investigate yourself.

[D]

Last time, Last time I was on another one of your lies that's caught up with you is this story that you've never seen beavers and then someone pointed out there's beavers at the zoo right by you.

[C]

Oh, but I haven't been to the zoo right by me yet. So I took that. I didn't know. I took this to the zoo about a year ago and it was hot as. And we walked in and he was like, I don't want to be here. I don't want to go to the zoo. And I was like, let's go see. Let's just go try. Let's go look at a couple of monkeys or some shit like that. That. And he still wanted to get the up out of it. So he was like, let's go home.

[A]

So we don't have a great dad

[C]

as much as you think.

[A]

A great, great father forcing his kids to see captive animals that they don't even want to see. Okay, look.

[C]

Well, I didn't know at the time. I didn't know at the time he didn't want to see him, but he

[A]

didn't want to go. So he didn't ask him where he wanted to go. You was just like, yeah, get in the car.

[C]

So try to surprise me every now and again. We go into the city.

[A]

Oh, that's actually beautiful.

[C]

That's actually.

[B]

Yeah, that's sweet.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Building music.

[A]

That's actually very sweet.

[B]

Jasper Wilson, for pointing that out. By the way, he emailed us about the net, the zoo that's right by Joel that has the beavers. That's the real 30 minutes.

[A]

What people have to understand is the real story that Joel, that Joel was telling had nothing to do with the lack of beavers that he's seen. That that story actually had to do with the beaver that he was seeing at the time.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

So, like, so so that's that.

[C]

Very reductive. You and your friend, man. I'm telling you, man, the way y' all treat women. I don't know, Doc. Your white homeboy is his wife at the house and doesn't, doesn't help out around the house, dog.

[A]

Okay? My wife,

[C]

I like to be, I like to be with my kids. And also my friends come to visit me. Like, they come to visit me because they want to meet my kids. They want to see the house. They're part of my life. So so many of my friends have just come here to visit, and so they know it's very.

[B]

Has Danny visited?

[A]

Not yet.

[D]

He hasn't met your kids?

[C]

Not yet. Not yet. No. Not yet. Not yet.

[A]

Hey, Frizz, do you have that picture that I asked you for? This is something that people are talking about on the Internet right now, and this is, to me, a good facsimile of how Joel and Hyphas was out there in the different situations. This is it. This picture right here was taken at the Jay Z Con concert. Two New York legends, and everybody's talking about it. This is like. I want y' all to look in the chat right now. This is how people. The tailgate chat.

[C]

Oh, God.

[A]

This is how people were saying that Joel and, and Hypus were.

[C]

Nobody was saying that. Nobody, Nobody. Nobody.

[A]

Put the picture there. Shout out to Jim Jones. Shout out to bus

[C]

the way, man. You know what I'm saying? This is concern.

[A]

I'm not concerned. I'm not concerned with nobody whooping my ass. Jim Jones is my. I'm just saying. I'm not concerned with. What I'm telling you is right now, this is what people were saying.

[C]

Okay, all right. I, I, I can't disuse of that notion, but all I can say is that Danny took me out to the East Potomac Golf Links. We had a great time. It was also. It was actually kind of cool, but sad because allegedly on September 1, the Trump administration is trying to take over this. It's this public.

[A]

We ain't trying to hear all that.

[C]

You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Nobody trying to hear that right now, bro. Cultural political observations. You went out there to spite us,

[C]

had a great time.

[A]

We're not going for it. Y' all are the ones that have

[C]

taken out out of spite. Like y' all are the ones hanging out.

[B]

No, we're just hanging out. You're reacting us.

[D]

They've never once tagged you publicly.

[C]

Yeah, well, I'm willing to do it. They weren't, you know, What I'm saying Van don't even. Van. Whatever. You know, say it.

[A]

Say it.

[C]

No, I'm just saying, like, don't be paying attention to nobody. Nobody on this Instagram's. I mean, nobody on this zooms Instagram. You don't be looking at none of our stories or commenting on them.

[A]

He's.

[C]

He knows famous people, so he ain't worried about what the going on.

[A]

So even if on nobody's Instagram, so even if.

[C]

So even if I posted it, I never expected Van to see it. The only way I expect Van to see it is if one of y' all talk about it. Because Van don't. The Van don't visit. Don't visit. I'm a. A plea. He don't be coming on. I'm not. He's not gonna come look at my Instagram account with. I don't have nothing to offer. Most of it.

[A]

Like, I mean, for me, I don't use Instagram really to do nothing. Except for higher learning. Because every time I say something on Instagram, like people, the higher learning fans just get mad. So I just kind of stay away from it. But. But I will say that. Joel, we hear you, bro. And the next time you out here, which is gonna be very soon, bro, we got. We. We got some places. We got a whole reach out outreach situation for you, bro. Bro.

[C]

Hey, look, let's just. Let's just all agree to live up to our dinner plans once. Like, how about that? If we could do that. Don't make any promises that y' all can't keep. Let's just have a dinner when I'm out there at least once.

[B]

You know, we had lunch last time.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, but we were gonna have dinner though. But we were gonna have dinner too.

[D]

We ran out of dates.

[C]

No, we were planning to go to dinner when we were.

[A]

When are you coming out? What's the date? Because I gotta make sure that I'm even in town. What's the day? When are you coming out?

[C]

I'm not. I'm not coming out. We're gonna see each other on the road. The next time we see each other, it's gonna be on the road.

[D]

No, we're gonna. No, no, there's. There's tentative plans for another.

[C]

I'm not. I can't come. I can't just come out to LA without any. I mean, we're all. We're a month out from. We're almost a month out from week zero. So you. You guys are telling me that I'm supposed To come out to LA between now and then.

[A]

No. Yeah, that's what we saying.

[D]

We're planning some stuff. I will also point out that Van had a. Had a comedy show that you committed to going to see him at that you did not go to.

[C]

Yeah, man, that was. That was tough.

[A]

Hold on, hold on.

[C]

I felt bad.

[A]

Did I bring it up one time? No, you didn't.

[C]

You brought it up on the show. You brought it up on the show.

[A]

Actually, I didn't bring up the fact that you didn't, like, come to the show. I robbed. The fact that I saw Billy there.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And Billy. Billy. How did I do at the comedy show? How did I do?

[D]

You did good.

[C]

We're talking about that. We talked about the last time you just came up. We didn't have to revisit.

[A]

Whatever. So I'm saying is. What I'm saying is I saw Billy there. Billy saw me out. Tate, you didn't come. Why didn't you come?

[B]

I was down in Bumfuck by the beach, you know, too far away.

[A]

Tay didn't come, so I'm one for three. I respect Billy for that. That's cool. So, I mean, me and Tate got over it. We talked about it.

[C]

I felt the ball. Oh, man.

[A]

That's what's up. You didn't feel bad? You didn't care?

[C]

I feel good. No, I did. I really.

[B]

That was a power play.

[C]

I was the one telling every. I was like, in our circle, I was like, man, Van got this show, man. I was. I was excited. But as you all know, I didn't have a great time in la despite the other. I wasn't going through a great time at the time. And it didn't seem like I was speaking of that. No, no. Speaking of that. No.

[A]

I saw. I saw her walking down the street.

[C]

No, no, no.

[A]

I saw her walking down Melrose.

[C]

Stop it. Stop it.

[A]

You better be careful, bro.

[C]

Stop it. Out. X.

[B]

Also, Joel was watching Tropic Thunder.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Ready to say how much he hated the movie.

[D]

You missed out on Macy Gray doing Stand up that night.

[C]

I know.

[A]

I wish he was out there.

[D]

She was great.

[C]

If Van does it again, because I think Van is truly funny. I think Van is very talented. I would love to see you on stage and to support you. And I really, truly did feel bad about it. I had my intentions, where to go. I just couldn't.

[B]

Do you feel bad about the Instagram posts?

[C]

No.

[A]

You don't?

[C]

No.

[A]

You played us. Can I say something just real quick, before we. Before we move out? This situation, I'll say this about the entire deal, is that we do need to have the dinner. Cause you submit things with the dinner. We do need to have the dinner.

[C]

That's very true, but at the same

[A]

time, Joel, you gotta try to be consistent, bro. Because a lot of the stuff that you talk about, bro, it don't seem like you down to live it, bro. You don't live your raps.

[C]

What you talking about?

[A]

You don't like. You don't live your raps. You say your stuff and then you crawfish out of it, and then you make it a big deal. Now, what I'll need to see from you, Joe, what are you saying?

[C]

Wait, what am I.

[A]

What am I crawfish about, dog? I'm just saying, Joe, a lot of this stuff seems like for you, that is just for content.

[B]

Don't get lost.

[C]

Look, man, I was. I was sitting there on the UCLA parking garage, the roof of it, and I was like, damn, man, these really drove off, man. I was looking forward to dinner. And so then, you know, I just had to, I guess. Where did I go? I went to the UCLA bookstore, and I think I took myself to dinner. Maybe I went out to.

[B]

You gotta stop going to bookstores. I think that that was a lesson while you were in la.

[C]

Is that a bookstore? You know what? Listen. Okay, all right, next topic.

[D]

Listen, next topic.

[B]

I. One other thing in the Ho or no category. I don't know if you guys saw this. Ebro, obviously, and Rosenberg have been together for quite some time, but they had a beef on air, and it was a lot of talking about one colony, one a hoe, the other one calling the other one A. They were talking about investing. Rosenberg saying he's not in the in crowd. Ebro saying you're not in the in crowd because you don't want to be in the in crowd. And then it was a lot of disrespect happening. And then there was a moment in the beef where they said being called a hoe is being. Is worse than being called a. So again, I go back to you, Joel. You're the. You're the hoe whisperer. What, do you agree with that? Do you think that's the case? Do you think hoes the worst thing to be called?

[C]

I was gonna say something lovely about your. Your wedding invitation, and me and Janae was sitting here like, oh, we would love to think about.

[B]

Speaking of, I have yours, Van, because I need your address.

[A]

Cool.

[C]

All right. No, I'm. I'm from a different culture. In Houston, we say ho for anything. Hoe is just really part of our language. Okay, man, them hoes are clean, man. You seen them hoes, you know what I'm saying? Or we call hoes hoes, you know what I'm saying? So that's really a part of our culture. So it's not a huge violation. I don't want a stranger to come up to me and call me a ho, but it's not the violation that bitches. I really. In my life, I don't think I've ever called anybody a bitch ever.

[B]

So that would. That would be like crossing the line.

[C]

Yeah. Now I've said bitch ass, nigger, but I think that that's somehow Rosenberg called

[B]

Ebro a bitch, but Ebro called him a ho.

[D]

Hmm.

[C]

Bitch.

[A]

So let me ask you this, Joe. Break down that entire back and forth. What do you think of how did that go from 0 to 20? What do you think about them talking to each other like that?

[C]

I just. Do you think I. So I. I'm so cynical. I was like, is this a way

[A]

to get a clip, like, to phone a little bit? They talk about algo hustling on the show.

[C]

Yeah, they've been. I mean, they've been together for a long time. I mean, I just kind of feel like you wouldn't just all of a sudden break out, call somebody a. In the middle of an argument. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, that is beyond the pale, wouldn't you say?

[A]

Well, it looked like Peter was really mad, though. Yeah, because Peter's white. And, you know, there's a telltale sign, like if we. If. If Billy and Tate start turning that red. Like, if. If. See, that's another thing that people don't get about brothers. The reason why we are so intuitive with one another is. Cause we don't change shades when we get mad. So you gotta watch for somebody's eyes, for the way they look. You have to be tone. You have to be culturally in tune to know when it's up and it's not going back. A white guy goes from being regular to a beat, and Peter was a beat at that point. So it looked like it was pretty real. Now they did still put the clip out. And so you would think that if it was really so real that they wouldn't then put the clip out. Because if you put the clip out, then there has to be some thought and intention as to how you gonna look when the clip gets hits the Internet. So that's the only thing. If I was Saying that they were algo hustling. But it looked real to me. Like, do. Can you guys see a situation where you on with one of your co hosts? And is not y' all arguing that y' all calling each other bitches and hoes?

[C]

I mean, dog. No, man, that's. That's crazy. Again, like, I wouldn't call. I've. Nobody in my life that I've been close with would I ever call a. Now, we may be like, say something like, you know, we sue him. So, like, get your ass up. You know, like, just as a joke. But I'm not actually directly calling you a. Like, it's like, bitch is just an expression in that. In that situation. But to directly call somebody a bitch, I thought it's like when people use slurs. And there's one particular slur that I'm thinking about. I'm like, you really kind of go out of your way to call somebody that. Like, that's. That's a word that you're not. It's not always on the tip of your tongue. It's buried down there in the crevices of your mind. And so you went looking for in your vocabulary and pulled it out, and, like, that's. You're trying to hurt somebody, or this is all an act. But that's all I can figure.

[A]

I will say, though, that if you knew. Just on the boss thing, if you knew boss, you would know that. That wouldn't. That really wouldn't bother Boss.

[C]

Like, that really. Okay, Boss or Houston. Is he really. Oh, you know what? I think I've seen him down. You know what?

[A]

He was at a. Yeah, great guy, Great guy, Great guy. Very strong, mentally. Insanely strong, physically. One of the strongest guys I've ever played basketball against. You would. Boss wouldn't move. Boss. Good guy. Good guy.

[C]

Okay. Yeah.

[A]

He seems like, yeah, I don't want you. I want. I don't want him to feel like what you're saying is a shot at him. And then, oh, no, when you come back out here, he would have to lift you above his head and slam you too. I'm doing that for you.

[C]

I'm always trying to send people to me.

[A]

I'm doing that. Hit me up and be like, yo, man, I gotta snap your boy's neck. I'm like, joel might be able to get business busy,

[C]

huh? This boss. Watch this show. Yeah. See, that's what I'm saying. That's like you with my Instagram account. You know what I'm saying? We friends, but you. You Know, you know, you're not consuming. He's not consuming the content. So the point is though, is that, look, of course I'm not going to fight Boss. I'm almost a 50 year old man. I have two children. I feel like I should and so if Boss wants to come and fight me over this, what I would say is that, that actually brother, I applaud you for being able to get over that and to be friends with Kevin Hart. Like obviously y' all have a real deal friendship. I, I'm, I'm not that good of friends with somebody that I could ever get over that. And then, then I'd be like, yo, what's up? Let's talk about Houston, dog. What side of town you from? What school did you go to? You know what I'm saying? You play football?

[A]

Playing the NFL for a little while.

[C]

Did he really? Oh, what's his name?

[B]

He played.

[A]

I think he played for like his name is. His last name is. I think it's Randall. His name might be Randall Boss Everline or something like that. Like, but I think he played Randall

[C]

Boss just train Everline.

[A]

This is. Why am I saying Ron. Ron is Boss's first name. Ron Boss Everline. He played, he played. He played for like Cincinnati or something like that.

[C]

Okay, okay. I want to know what high school he went to, Doc. That's that. I'm like, what you know now? I know he from Houston. I'm like, I want to, you know, whittle down, see what's.

[A]

Oh no, he tried. He went and he played in college and went and tried out for the NFL.

[C]

Oh, he did.

[B]

Sorry if you got a training camp

[C]

deal and he played well enough in college, had enough tape to get a shot. So that's what's up.

[B]

Yeah, they were grinding that tape. So it sounds like Joel's IG post. No. Ebro versus Rosenberg. Ho.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Joel and his new Houston friend, bro. So yeah, man, sounds like a good guy figured out. Yeah, good guy. We'll get him out here. When you get to la, let's get

[C]

to get dinner where he can come to our dinner.

[B]

Yeah, there we go. You know what we should do?

[A]

We should go to just train. Boss has a facility out in North Hollywood somewhere. We should go to just train. We should work out with Boss, see if you guys can handle it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Do we do that before we do, you know, the tailgate? Field day. Yeah.

[C]

A training session without. We're not doing that, bro. Just, just get. Stop it. Stop it. It's not why. I see we do it. I'll see y' all on the road. You know, so we're not talking about that yet, but I'll see y' all on the road. I'm not going to see you all in la.

[D]

Are you trying to cancel it?

[C]

Cancel what? No, it just. I just know it's not going to happen right as we sit here. It is the middle of July, so if we. If you guys.

[B]

Why can't we do it in September? Why can't we do it in October?

[C]

Oh, we do it whenever we. If you guys want to push it back down to a date where we definitely not gonna do it, that's fine. Whatever.

[B]

What about a mid season?

[C]

I told you guys that I would.

[A]

Hey, you know what? You know what, Joe?

[C]

If we just raced in front of the building, you could. Somebody could mark off 40 yards in front of the Sycamore studio and I would race Billy. We didn't have to do all this other

[D]

field day.

[C]

Oh, and I get it. I get a 1v1 versus Tate again. I got he. I got good to go with him. He gets to go against me. But other than that, I care about nothing else.

[B]

I think you're upset about the one on one. What are you upset about?

[C]

Nothing. I'm not upset about. I'm not upset at Tate. I'm just upset at the way people talked about it. That's all.

[A]

But you know what? I realized that you let a lot of people slide because you played a lot of people. They played you on the Dominique F. Worth show. Bomani stalled you out. Bomani was good, but you got played a lot of people. You talk tough to people that. But you didn't really talk tough to the people. Who did I talk to the white boy on the Dominique Foxworth show. What's his name?

[C]

Oh, boy.

[B]

Charlie.

[C]

Me and Charlie are good. What are you talking about?

[A]

You and Charles, Charlie. They wanted.

[C]

They wanted.

[B]

It's hyphens all over again.

[C]

They wanted to do it.

[D]

Yeah,

[C]

Bring me down.

[A]

Charlie was playing with your name, bro. Charlie was playing with your family name, bro.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Charlie was playing with you.

[C]

I know. Charlie. What's up? Me and Charlie were cool.

[B]

You guys ever go

[A]

Charlie now?

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Okay, man.

[C]

All right, man. You know what I'm saying? I'm ready.

[B]

All right, we're about 45 minutes in the show, so let's. Let's get into something college football related. We got. This is an ESPN story, so I'm sure the person that wrote it could cut the lines at espn. One big reaction. Best cfb players by jersey number. This came out. This is just like a classic summer story. I just wanted to see. I know we all saw this. Was there anybody that stood out to anyone or like, that number wasn't right? One of them that I was flagged. Someone sent this to me. Trevor Lawrence.

[C]

Yeah, number 16.

[B]

I saw that instead of Peyton Manning. Joel, you seem like you also noted that your thoughts. Do you think Trevor Lawrence earned the right to be the greatest number 16 ever?

[C]

Well, I saw the Trevor Lawrence one, and actually it was written by my dude, David Hill, who's ESPN. He's on, he covers the Academy, D.C.

[B]

he's cutting the lines.

[C]

So he's. Oh, yeah, I'm sure Dave's been there for so long.

[D]

Of course.

[C]

But, you know, I was just like, trevor Lawrence, everybody that's behind. Trevor Lawrence won the Heisman. He's the only person that didn't win the Heisman. That is, no, that is, that is tops in that group. And I just like, all right, you know, I, I understand the argument that Trevor Lawrence won 94% of his college games. He won a national championship, was a part of another. You know, he lived up to expectations and went to be the number one pick in the draft. But there, at least in my lifetime, I mean, I would say cute college. There's a certain kind of quarterback shift once Peyton Manning came along, you know what I'm saying? Like, I felt like he was like a legitimately transformational figure in college football, one of the best quarterbacks that's ever been. And so I, I couldn't see putting Trevor Lawrence over Peyton Manning. But, you know, I, I, I, I

[B]

saw he did win a national championship.

[C]

He did win a national championship. Peyton didn't, you know, he lost to Florida. You know, I think, did he go over four against Florida or something like that? So I get it. I mean, Gary Beban, ucla, great. Won a Heisman the year, I think it was the year before O.J. so, yeah. So I just, I'm, it's just shocking to me that Trevor is the guy. Well, I shouldn't say shocking, but that I, when you said, which where people were going to have a controversy with, that was one of the first ones I was thinking about, too.

[A]

Man, this is fucking ridiculous. This is insane. This is crazy. I don't understand it. No way, shape or form. Even all of these stats that people are talking about, like, the Trevor Lawrence did this and Trevor Lawrence did that, all of the numbers and all of that stuff. If you put all of this shit in context to the way the game was being played then and the way the game is being played now. There is a clear explanation for the difference in the statistical stuff. If you look at what Clemson was, even against what Tennessee was, Tennessee had a great team. Don't get me wrong. They won a national championship when Peyton Manning actually left Tennessee. Right. I get that. I never understood the Trevor Lawrence thing. Trevor Lawrence was a good college football player, a great college football player. But from the moment that Trevor Lawrence got there, they wanted Trevor Lawrence to be a transcendent college football player. And I do not think that he was. I'm being for real. I literally do not think that he was. I think that he was a steady hands. Like, he had steady hands and he was a great playmaker when they needed. I'm not saying he in any way was. Was whack, but, like.

[C]

No, I agree.

[A]

I never understood the. Oh, my God, Trevor Lawrence is a can't miss generational prospect. Everybody told me that Trevor Lawrence was going to be that when he got to the NFL and he turned out to be in the NFL. What he was in college, which is a good qb, and it took him a while to get there in the NFL. He didn't come and take the legal. Peyton Manning was doing crazy, and he continued to do crazy shit his entire career. I don't get it. I think it's fucking crazy, honestly.

[C]

Wow. Fucking crazy.

[B]

Another. Another one I wanted to bring up, which I think is a fascinating, you know, cultural debate. Modern versus past number eight, Davey o'. Brien. Obviously, we have the Davey o' Brien Award, but, you know, you look at the honorable mentions here. Julio Jones, Lamar Jackson, even Marcus Mariota. Davey O' Brien was five foot seven. He threw for 1400 yards. That was the NCAA passing record at the time.

[C]

Why are you going at the tc? You hating. You hate. Tate, you going at this.

[B]

I'm just saying.

[C]

Qv, tcu.

[B]

I understand, but Lamar Jackson versus Davy o'.

[C]

Brien, I feel like if they name an award after you in college football, you got to be that guy. You know what I'm saying? There's a Davey o'.

[B]

Brien.

[C]

If you don't want to go to the best quarterback in the country. That's the facts. Yeah, I'm not talking. I'm not talking about a generic guy that played in segregated times. Like, there's a Avia.

[B]

Brian didn't even have a face mask.

[A]

See? Hey, hey. What year did.

[C]

Hop Along Cassidy player, Red Grange. I'm looking at that and I'm like. And look great. Still put up some numbers. Yeah, Smokey Johnson. I know they put up some numbers.

[A]

Yo, this is how I know all your pro black is, bro. Because this racist dog.

[C]

No, no, no.

[A]

I'm sorry, bro.

[C]

This is respecting. This is respecting.

[A]

This is a. You got a five foot seven folk hero transformation. A folk hero Above Lamar Jackson.

[B]

If they said, who won the Heisman, by the way?

[A]

Above Lamar Jackson.

[C]

If this was the Roger. If Roger Stallback kid. If they named the award the Roger Stowback. Roger Stoback, Best college quarterback.

[B]

He wasn't the best at his number either.

[C]

Yeah, but I would have. But I would have respected it because I'm just like, look.

[A]

Oh, go England. Go England.

[C]

Oh, they scored. Oh, here we go. All right. Was it.

[B]

No, it was Gordon.

[C]

Okay, it's Gordon.

[A]

But, bro, this is not right. That's not right, bro.

[B]

I agree. I feel like this has to be Lamar Jackson.

[C]

Name one Marcus Mario to play, dog.

[B]

You know, I'm not talking about.

[C]

I mean, Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson is a great quarterback. He's obviously. Well, I don't. What did Davey o' Brien do in the NFL? Let me see. Hold on, I talked.

[B]

He.

[C]

He let the league in passing in the NFL his rookie year.

[B]

How many yards he throw for?

[C]

912, 1324 in 11 games.

[A]

Though

[C]

he had a. After an appendectomy in late June, he again led the league in several passive credit.

[B]

My man's getting, like, surgery, including.

[C]

You got to give it to Davey o', Brien, man. You can't. You can't, you can't.

[B]

Yo, he quit football to work.

[C]

Do you know what I thought was an outrage? Do you want to know what I actually thought was an outrage? It was Joe Burrow over Peter Warwick. Steve McNair and Bryce Young.

[B]

Peter Warwick is a fair.

[C]

You shouldn't be over Steve McNair. Oh, or Peter Ward. And I. I'm insisting on this because, again, this is the best college quarterback I've ever seen in my life ever.

[A]

Well, so. I love Stevie Nair.

[C]

Yeah, I know. Look at you right now. Okay, go ahead and go for the white boy, man. Go ahead and tell him about it. White boy burrow ride for him.

[A]

Over. Guess what? Legend won't even let me talk.

[B]

Remember Van's dad said he was the best quarterback he's ever seen.

[A]

Right. And by the way, he's also the best quarterback I've ever seen. All right? He's the best quarterback I've ever seen. Steve McNair at his peak at Alcorn State was. You couldn't lose the game. I mean, they lost some, but like you could, like you, you, it didn't, it didn't seem like you could lose the game. So I get it. I think overall he is, he was a one double A player. So it would be tough to put him over Joe Burrow or even over. If you want to talk about Peter Ward, just because of people's exposure to them. I think Joe Burrow is fucking clearly, clearly better than Peter Ward.

[C]

Like, clearly had impact on college football championship too. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

He did, but, and he, and he was better.

[C]

He was better throughout his career. Joe Burrow had 1, 1 and it was again one of the best three college football seasons I've ever seen. But Peter Ward was good his entire career.

[A]

Jaboro was good the first year with LSU and then turned into a fucking demigod.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The second year turned into a fucking

[C]

nice,

[A]

turned into a, to turn into a demigod the second year. Oh, no. You know what's funny? The funny thing about Peter Ward is he didn't have any good players around him. That's the crazy dominant Warren is he, he didn't, he didn't have any good.

[C]

Dominated from the receiver position in the.

[A]

He never, he never ever. He never had nobody good because he was better.

[C]

He was, he was better than his quarterback. Even the quarterbacks in one Eisman, he

[A]

was better at that time his quarter. Oh, his quarterback.

[C]

He was the Percy Har of his generation. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think it's because we know what the highest.

[A]

His quarterback. Listen, listen to what y' all are saying.

[C]

Gino Toretta, the best player in college football the year he won the high school.

[A]

I'm telling you, the best player in college football that Joe Burrow had guys around him and then to talk about Florida State. 99, 98, like they didn't have. It was a video game. Get out of here.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

All right.

[B]

The other, the other controversial one, number five, Darren McFadden selected as the number five. And then obviously here are the honorable mentions. Ladanian, Tomlinson, TCU. Reggie Bush, to me would be the answer.

[A]

It's a joke, dog.

[C]

No, man, no, man. Look, man, Derek McFadden, dog.

[B]

I, I, I love Darren McFadden. I think Reggie Bush has a dog.

[C]

But there's no way one of the best college running backs I've ever seen, man. I'm sorry.

[A]

Was a monster.

[C]

Jones was a monster. Yeah.

[A]

Matt Jones, a monster. They had a, they had a three headed demon there. Houston Nut had a lot of talent on that team. I'm not, bro.

[C]

None of them were, Derrick.

[A]

Now, Reggie Bush was the face of college football and was doing crazy, dominant, insane. Damn it. Fadden was great.

[C]

You know what? Reggie Bush played with a highlight trophy winning quarterback and his teammate was actually the USC career scoring leader and Lindell White. So I'm saying like Reggie Bush, even In like Darren McFadden, again, you. He did had a great running back room, but Arkansas has never.

[A]

He had a great running back room. Yeah. He had a great tight end. He had a great qb. They had a lot of. They was just down in the SEC.

[C]

I saw Darren McFadden, basically. I don't think they beat, they beat LSU that game. Remember? They went into overtime or some like that.

[B]

It was like running the Wildcat himself, bro.

[C]

Like, I saw him.

[A]

No, they beat us.

[C]

They won one of the games.

[A]

They beat us.

[C]

I'm not gonna say he won that game by himself because you never win a football game by yourself. But that, I mean, that was a badass. God. And again, it's great. Yeah, Reggie Bush is great. Lt is great. You know what I'm saying? But I, I, I'm not gonna argue.

[A]

Really. That's really, that's, that's, he's second. It's Bush. His man is Bush in his LT. Look at you.

[C]

How are we treating Christian McCaffrey? Actually, we can. McCaffrey, I mean, because McCaffrey, you could have made an argument that he was that year with. Was it he and Leonard Frenette and was it Derrick Henry, I guess all that year.

[A]

You know what's really interesting, though?

[C]

Yeah, what?

[A]

What's really interesting is how desean Watson massage his way onto this list at number four. Like, Cause like I would say. Well, I guess he would be because if it's him, Dalvin Cook, Jeremiah Love, or you can make a Champ Bailey argument, but I guess it would have.

[B]

Yeah, well, that, that kind of champion. It kind of leads me to my next question for you guys. Like, what number is the most readily available for you to become the best at? Right? Like, which one? Like, I was looking at 24. They have Niall Kinnick here. 24 is a good number, man. There's really no competition.

[C]

You said, you said at McKinnock Stadium, man, you don't have a disrespect for the greats.

[A]

Don't nobody care about what

[C]

you're doing. Stop trying to. Stop trying. You're trying to have an Ebro moment. Stop it. You're trying to.

[B]

25 is a great number. That's Open for the taking. Tommy McDonald right now.

[A]

I think 18, bro. I think you can get Archie, bro. I think. I think you can get Archie, bro. Archie, Archie.

[C]

A dog.

[A]

But I think because you got Jason white, Marvin Harrison Jr. Roman Gabriel. I think you can get. I think you can get Archie, bro.

[C]

I think you can get him. I think. I think number 31, Vic Janowicks.

[B]

See, I think that should be Dre Bly. I think Dre Bly should be number 31.

[C]

I feel like I remember Dre Bly's career more than I remember Paul Puzzle, Paul Puzloskny And Will Anderson Jr. Was great. He was a really good. But he just. His name.

[B]

When I think of number 31, I think of Dre Bly, you know, like,

[A]

I think shout out Roman Gabriel, bro.

[C]

Yeah, roman Gabriel.

[B]

Number 35 is open as well. Doc Blanchard, fullback for Army.

[C]

You know what a low key great number is? Number 45, bro. Archie Griffin, Sammy Bob, Johnny Majors and Andy Catamore. Pretty good. The best one, I think is between me, number 34, Herschel Bo. WA Wa, Walter Payton and Ricky Williams. That's a.

[A]

That. That's nuts.

[C]

That's a tough force.

[A]

Like, that should have been a. That should have been a tie. That is nuts. Yeah, that is truly, truly. That's a number you stay away from. You can't be the man.

[C]

Let me give you number two though, because I think it's either Deion Cam Charles, number two, Derrick Henry.

[A]

Yep, that's a tough one.

[C]

You know, I'm like, damn, tough one, bro. Yeah, yeah, that's a tough one.

[B]

And they had that.

[A]

Hey, bro, I'm gonna be honest with you. 33 is pretty interesting. Oh yeah, you have Rondane and Marcus Allen. I don't know how James Laurinaitis got on here, but you have. You have Ron Dane and my James Laura. Nice was great. You have Ron Dane and Marcus Allen, like two greats. 34 is just nuts.

[C]

Oh, 34 is crazy, man. 34.

[A]

34 is the craziest one ever, bro.

[C]

Bro. Yeah, Ricky Williams, I mean, Ricky Williams is probably. Is he fourth on that list? And he was the NCAA career leading rusher when he left college football. Like, it's just. That's insane. Actually, number 98, y' all don't see. Well, you know what? So 98, you don't have no respect for the past, but Tom Harmon, Ladanian, Lawrence Taylor, John Henderson, Grant Wistrom, that's a pretty tough one. Number 75, Orlando Pace, Jimbo Covert.

[B]

I mean, how the hell is Lawrence Taylor not at number. Number 98, man.

[C]

Tom Harmon, bro. He's a legend of the game.

[B]

We're giving way too much credit to the late 1930s in the middle of World War II.

[C]

We gotta be kidding. One day we're gonna be the late 1930s, and you're gonna want.

[D]

Dude.

[B]

And that's how you pay homage to the present. You say, okay, they're better than us. Congratulations.

[C]

I don't know about that, man.

[B]

I do think it's smart, though, the guys that are in the 40s, that table, kind of to solidify your number, right? Like Julius Peppers gets 49. That was smart. Gail Sayers gets 48. Michael Irving gets 47. Khalil Mack gets 46. Like all. All of those numbers, that was good marketing, good branding.

[C]

So I looked through all of these, by the way, because I did a lot of homework on this. But. And one thing occurred to me that is fucking crazy. Well, there's two things that I had no idea about. Did you know that Warren Sapp, Ray Lewis and Michael Irvin aren't in the College Football hall of Fame?

[A]

Tough.

[B]

I was like, and you think Pavia will be in?

[C]

Yeah, man, I still do. Well, see, the thing is, I'm trying to figure out, is this like a Miami thing? Like, I don't know. I. Not the casting these persons on the voter base here, but I'm like wondering remembering that era of Miami and may not be in love with it and be. May not want to honor that era in quite the way that it deserves. First, because I don't. I don't. I don't understand. I mean, maybe Ray Lewis, you know, he's a better pro than he was a college football player, but Warren Sapp and Michael Irvin, bro. And, oh, Refrigerated Perry was a much better football player that I. Than I knew at the time. Man, that was cold. He needs to be in a College Football hall of Fame too.

[B]

Yeah, maybe we do that at some point. The snubs that are out there.

[A]

I feel like the College Football hall of Fame has kind of. Of it's changed a little bit in terms of like, it seems like they were more stringent now. Now it's kind of like people are getting in a little bit easier. I would expect those guys to have been in.

[B]

Yeah, they should probably get in. You would expect at some point that maybe some cooler heads will prevail.

[A]

Any.

[B]

Any other notes from this list? This is a fun list. Just fun to see the names, you know what I mean?

[C]

I'm glad they did it. I mean, I encourage people to read it because you could just learn so much about these dudes, man. The HBCU legends like Willie Lanier, number 65 in Morgan State. Guys that had, like, had to go to war, never play football again. It's just some crazy in that list. So I'm shout out ESPN for doing that. Man. That was some good reading.

[B]

Yeah, David Hale writing that up. We're gonna take a quick break. When we come back, we're gonna do our top five headlines of the week. We'll be right back after this. All right, we're back. Top five headlines of the week. We'll start here. This is a new revelation in the sport. College football fantasy is officially happening. Billy Gill is reaching out and saying maybe we all create a fantasy football league this year for college football. Does this move you at all, Joel? You're shaking your head. You look disgusting.

[C]

I'm not gonna take part in that, bro. Come on, man.

[A]

I don't.

[C]

I've never. I've never done fast.

[B]

That's kind of a shot. That's kind of a diss to Danny hyphen.

[C]

No, look, fantasy football. You know how I came to the Danny. The Danny show and Danny and Craig show because it was about the draft. The Danny's incredible. Yeah, because it was about the draft. But no, you know, I just can't.

[B]

I'm not grinding tape.

[C]

I'm grinding tape, man. I ain't got time to play fantasy football. And I. I've never played it never will every.

[B]

You play real football?

[C]

Yeah, that's right. Anytime somebody has asked me to do a fantasy league, I'm like, nah, bro, I don't. I don't need fantasy football. I don't have to bet. Sports are enough for me. I like sport the competition.

[B]

You like the games.

[C]

It's like 11 for its own sake. I don't need anything else to spice it up or make it more interesting. It's already interest to me, so I don't need any of that. And so I want to play that. I'm not going to be involved.

[B]

I like that.

[A]

I just don't think it works. I don't think it works for college football. I. I don't think it works for college football. I'm not going to yuck anybody's young. If you want to go play it, play it, do the whole thing. I don't think it's the same thing. I don't think it works as well. But, you know, I'm surprised they didn't already have it. I'm surprised it took this long for them to.

[C]

That's a good point. I. I kind of thought they already did have it. I felt like there was some.

[B]

I think NIL has opened the. The floodgates there. You know, now it's a little bit more professionalized. Obviously, we have the video game. I just don't know how it works with, you know, using their name, image, and likeness. You would think they would get some sort of residuals for that, but I don't even know how that works with the players in the NFL. So, yeah, you know, that's what I would be asking if I was a lawyer. You know, some billable hours.

[C]

Get our boy Jeff Kessler on the deal, man. Let's see if he's gonna.

[A]

Castle. Castle. I bet he misses us, man.

[C]

I reached out to him, bro. I reached out to him and he didn't really respond with the enthusiasm I expected.

[B]

What did he say?

[A]

What did he say?

[C]

I don't know if I should talk about this because it's about something I want to do, and I was reaching back out to him, and he was just. He gave me a one sentence reply. It was funny.

[A]

No, it's funny. What's funny is, like, this keeps happening to you over and over and over again where you do all of that ass kissing and then it doesn't

[B]

and

[A]

you get played in the end.

[C]

No, you said you really on your Ebro today.

[B]

No Jay Billis all over again.

[A]

No Jay Billis all over again. I have.

[C]

Look, I would like to just say I have. I have. I feel like I have a big, heavy hand, man. In. In. In. In our guest choice. Like, I feel like the people we have on the people. I'm like, yo, I really. We should really get this guy. That's why we had on Bill Bellamy and not Tom Segura. That's why we had on, you know, Jay Billis and whoever else, bro. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Marcus, I got another name that we need to have on the show. I saw him the other day and, you know, got to talk to him for a second. Marlon Wayans? Really? We gotta get him on.

[A]

Oh, yeah, It'll be a great guest.

[D]

He would.

[B]

He would come on the show.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

I thought I was like, hey, we. I. I do a show. I would love to get you on the show. He was like, yeah, let's do it, Tate.

[C]

For real. You. You were hanging out with Marlon Wayans?

[B]

He was playing with Marlon Wayans?

[A]

Yeah. Okay, man.

[C]

Wayne's brother's One of my favorite shows ever, Doc. Yeah, but every. Every week, Tate, you got to come back and tell us the famous person you talked with had played golf with. Because every week, Tate dropped. Dropped somebody on our head. I'm like, damn. Tell you how the you know him, man.

[A]

Who.

[C]

What NBA player was it last week? And he hit you up. You were like. It was like, I don't know. Let's just say it was Brendan Haywood hit me up and was like, I

[B]

can't believe that B. Haywood.

[C]

I was like, what, Tate?

[B]

How you know?

[C]

I guess I know how Carolina guy.

[D]

Yeah, but do you notice kind of like the way Tate moves versus the way you move, Joel, where Tate sees. Why are you celebrities? He doesn't mention them. He just, like, in past, he's like, yeah, I saw him. While the Wayans. You like, like, hang out with Danny hyphens. Once you make this whole post about it.

[A]

I don't ever.

[C]

I don't ever tell y' all about my. My celebrity interactions.

[D]

Well, you told us people drive to your house unless there's celebrities.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, my real friends are not celebrities. Well, let me make sure. Most of my real friends, my close friends, are not celebrities. You know what I'm saying? And it's sad. The sad thing is, is that they think I'm a celebrity. Some of them, they're just like, oh, no, you famous. I was like. Like, pretty. Like, nobody is watching. It's just dudes that listen to podcasts, man. It's funny, I was looking at the. The statistics for one of the Instagram posts, and maybe it was the Danny Heifers picture, you know, because I was like, what is this?

[D]

The number passes post, man. You got to post something else.

[C]

And it was just like, the breakdown of men to women that looked at the picture, and it was like, 98 men and 2% women. I was like, bro. Like, it's just has, you know, 10, 8, 9,000 die hards that. That care about who the I am. I don't think that counts. But, yeah, I don't have no famous friends like that dog. So Van is the one. Van is one.

[B]

Dan's the one. Yeah.

[C]

When I was at Bill's house, Rihanna came by because I told her, and, you know, because I said, oh, that's a good.

[B]

Hey. For the original question of most handsome men, asap. Rocky. That's a good one.

[C]

I don't see that one. I don't see that you don't like asap.

[B]

What?

[C]

Yeah, I don't. I don't see the ASAP one. That's. That's.

[D]

That's crazy.

[A]

You don't feel like Rocky is handsome?

[C]

I see handsome. But putting him on your finest list would be sort of interesting to me. Like, he. He's an interesting looking dude, and his swag makes it. I can understand.

[A]

Do you think that you are better looking than asap?

[C]

No. No.

[A]

You don't.

[B]

Back. Back in the day when you had the sweater vest.

[C]

No, I mean, you. I look, I have a constituency, but, you know, I don't think. And I'm. I'm not photogenic, so I know that, like, you can't show my picture to people.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Girls be like, that's an attractive dude. I know.

[B]

Then you're not photogenic. Is the number one thing you say when you're not attractive.

[C]

Yeah, I really. I'm really. I'm a terror. I. I really do. And people have told me I look better in person than I do in pictures.

[D]

At your most attractive, which celebrity would be your comp? Not, like, who do you look like as a celebrity, but like. Like, on level of attractiveness. When you were most attractive, what celebrity would be your comp?

[C]

Kadeem Hardison? I don't know. I don't know, dad. No, you know,

[A]

looking up Kadeem Hardison because they didn't know who that was. That's up, dog. That's Dwayne Wayne.

[C]

Broke, but I was gonna say Dwayne Martin. Are people. Some people. There was a year in college where people were saying I look like. Oh, boy Murray from Clueless. Donald Faison.

[D]

No, no, you look like. I'm saying, like, your level of attractiveness, not what celebrity do you look like? When you were most attractive, what level of attractive celebrity would you have put yourself at?

[C]

Like, for a woman to date?

[D]

No, like, okay, you are.

[A]

Yeah, let's move on.

[B]

He's not getting it.

[A]

Like, who is? Who is? Who is is like a celebrity. Who is.

[C]

I gave y' all a name.

[B]

No, if Donald Faison.

[D]

If Michael B. Jordan is the most attractive and, like, Donald Faison is down here, where are you on that scale of celebrity?

[C]

I'm on the Donald Faison.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I'm not. I would not be an attractive celebrity. I mean, you know, I don't know, maybe if you dress me up and I got the time to work out and have a chef and all that, like, maybe it'd be different. You know what I'm saying? But, yeah, I mean, I guess maybe I do have a raw material deal, but I'm not. I Don't. I don't have that. So I'm not going to be on the list up there with the celebrities, dog.

[B]

Okay, so you're more. Phase on. Okay.

[C]

More face. I. I mean, yeah, man.

[A]

Handsome man.

[C]

Handsome man. He's a handsome dude. I mean, I think I'm handsome, but I don't think anybody. Sit. I'm not gonna make nobody's fine. Fine as list this year. Okay.

[B]

Again, not the name of my life.

[A]

Working. You might one day.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I'm getting older. Anyway.

[B]

Yeah. Next story. Deion Sanders takes another shot at the Athletic. He was asked about not being in the video game game, College Football 27, our favorite game. We're excited to have them sponsoring the show. And he said, quote, I don't know about the video games. I have a wonderful team that handles a lot of business for me. If I'm not in the game, that means. That means that they weren't paying enough. It probably didn't fit what we were doing right now. That's probably it. It's probably just that simplistic. Then he went on to say, thank you, Athletic. You guys do a wonderful job. Very sarcastically, you know I'm lying, right? And then he, you know, that was to the rapping, quote.

[C]

So that's how you feel.

[B]

Yeah. Take taking a shot at the Athletic. What. What do you think the. The reason for this is, Joe?

[C]

Oh, I mean, the Athletic was on his ass early on when he got started at Colorado. And to his credit, I mean, he's right. He was one of the first people he was at the cutting edge of, we going to totally overhaul this roster. We're going to bring in 80 new dudes. And when he did it, it was sort. It was unusual. And he was so, like, matter of fact about it. You know, I'm bringing Louie. You know, my luggage is Louie. That kind of shit. So people had not heard people talk like that in college football before. And so the Athletic wrote about it, and they talked. They talked to how he pushed kids out of the program. What happened to those kids and how those kids. What those kids had to say about how they felt. And that. That bothered Dion. He. He thought, why y' all picking on me? Why y'? All? You know, he thought they were going out of him and they were just doing journalism. But that's not like. No, now. Now everybody does the Dion. Like, if you're taking over a program, you probably do the Dion approach.

[B]

And to his point, now, you call it the Belichick approach, right?

[C]

The Belichick approach, yeah. So, yeah.

[B]

Van, anything for you on Dion?

[A]

No, not really. I think that two things about Dion, just for me, I'm just happy, overjoyed with. With. With happiness that Dion is doing better physically.

[C]

Yeah, man.

[A]

Feeling better. Want Deion Sanders around for a very, very long time. As far as Colorado football, there is so much that has to happen this year for Colorado football to remain a relevant story. This is not a relevant football program anymore. That's what it is. I mean, Deion is always relevant culturally, that he'll never not be relevant culturally. Colorado has some pieces and they have to produce on the football field for them to be worth the space that they sometimes take up in the media. There's not anymore.

[C]

Damn.

[B]

I'm with you, Joel. Can you say karuchi for the people one time?

[C]

Karuchi, man. Karuchi. Is that right? I mean, I told you, talk about

[B]

growth on the show, like, where you started.

[C]

My uncle had said Kara once because he taught he carry.

[B]

He said carry, like karaoke.

[C]

He came to my. He came to my house and he was like, he's leaving early. I'm like, uncle Phil, where you going? He had a plate of food.

[B]

You got an Uncle Phil. That's cool.

[C]

Yeah, I got an Uncle Phil. I call him Phil. His sisters call him Chris. You know, my mom and all them. I don't know why we ended up calling him Uncle Phil. Anyway, the point is that we were out in the garage, he's getting ready to leave. I'm like, uncle Phil, where you going? He's like, I'm gonna go see my woman, man. He said, you know, she's black and Korean. I call her the new Kara Uchi Tran. And I was like, okay, I see dog. All right? You know what I'm saying? So that's why. And so that's fixed in my head. That was. It's fixed in my head to Karachi.

[B]

Would you say that your Uncle Phil is on the James Avery scale when he. When he thinks about his. Himself as the way he looks? You know what I mean?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

You know? Yeah.

[B]

Like, you're Donald Faison. He's James Avery. Yeah.

[C]

I mean, you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

He's like. I mean, my Uncle Phil is handsome, man. He's a Kappa, man. So, you know, he. He wears. You know what I'm saying? He's smooth, dude. You know what I'm saying? So, you know. Yeah, I. That he may be a little higher than. Than Uncle Phil IP James Avery.

[A]

But, yeah, Avery is the man.

[B]

Yeah. Legend. Next up, Big 12 announces a multi year Entitlement partnership with Monster Energy for $20 million annually. So now when we talk about Big 12 football, we have to refer to it as monster energy big 12 football. It'll be the same for basketball. Monster Energy Big 12 basketball. Joel, this is your conference. This is your people. Do you like Monster? And will you refer to it as monster energy Big 12 football?

[C]

It's crazy, because if they had caught me about a year ago, I was drinking Monster all the time. The Monster to Zero Energy drinks. That was my. And then my wife was like, you gotta stop drinking that. Like, that is poison. And so I've moved down. I start. This is when I started getting my water, you know what I'm saying? And I just sprinkled a little propel powder in there or whatever. So, yeah, I was a big fan of Monster. I just can't drink the stuff right now. I try not to, but. Yeah.

[B]

What if it's sponsored? Like, what if you. What if you tell your wife, like, hey, I gotta support Big 12 football. I gotta get these Monsters. Monsters back?

[C]

I would. You know what I would. What I would do then is I would become less dependent on it. I would just have, like, one a week. I was using it like coffee. I was using, like, so you're drinking

[A]

a Monster every single day.

[C]

Two Monsters. Two to three Monsters. Monsters. I knew all the flavors. I would get excited about the flavors and shot like, God damn, they got a new green can. Like, I was really on Monster. Like, that. That.

[A]

Nah, I'm glad you gave that up. That's. That's, like, not going the right way with it. But. Yeah. Yeah, man.

[B]

But.

[A]

But back to the actual. Isn't this kind of corny

[B]

football?

[A]

Isn't this kind of corny? Joel, just. Seriously.

[C]

Yeah, I mean. But I. I mean, they got to make money, dog. I mean, this is. They got.

[B]

No, I'm just saying, very corporate.

[C]

They got to make the revenue gap up somehow. And this is so.

[A]

This is it. Monster Big 12 football. It just is so indicative of how bullshit the conference is. Do this. Like, it's just so bull. It's just so indicative of how the conference is. You know what I mean? It's like, you know, the Bad News Bears having Chico's Bail Bonds.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

It's so addictive of it. It's like it's unicorn.

[C]

I mean, man, again, y'. All. I mean, eventually somebody is going to have to carry the SEC banner besides Georgia and Alabama for y' all to be talking, y'.

[A]

All.

[B]

I think Darren McFadden carried it to getting the number five.

[A]

I think Darren Fatten did. But wait. But I'm just saying, though.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, look, the thing. This is football. Look, I. I call it every week, Monster Big 12. Every week I say the league is a bunch of schools that don't want to be. Be together. They're together, but they don't want to be together.

[B]

So I'm just saying, the entire season, Joel, every time that you start talking about the Big 12, just make sure

[C]

you say, oh, no, I'm not gonna do that.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Do they sponsor us? No.

[B]

No, they sponsor your league.

[C]

Are you gonna do it? Are y' all gonna call?

[A]

Hey, can I ask you a question?

[B]

That's what I'm gonna do.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Hey, Joel, where do the Lakers play?

[C]

Staples Center.

[A]

Well, that's what it used to play.

[C]

Oh, crypto. Crypto.com. the crypto Center.

[A]

It used to be called that. Okay, so you calling it based upon the sponsor now? I don't sponsor you.

[C]

That's different.

[A]

But you call it the sponsor name, And now it's not Big 12 football anymore. It's monster Big 12 football. That's what it is.

[C]

Company. Company. Company. See, look. Dog.

[A]

Man.

[C]

Dog. What's. What are we gonna do, man? What are you gonna do?

[A]

I'm sorry. Yeah, actually, that's funny. It's Monster Big 12 football, Joe.

[B]

Accept it. It's Monster Big 12.

[C]

I mean, I'm glad they're doing it. I'm glad they're trying something they need

[A]

two years from now.

[B]

You're not going to.

[A]

Joel, you should be glad that Monster got it, because now that we know that they selling the name, it could have been only fans Big 12 football.

[C]

Hey, that might have been Dude Wipes.

[B]

What about Dude Wipes Football? That would have been good.

[C]

That would have been funny. Yeah. I mean, you know, yeah, good, good. Dude Wipes. You know why you brought Dude? He's bringing Dude Wipes up because he know it's a trigger to me, but that's fine.

[B]

Joey used to beef with Dude Wipes on Twitter if you want to go.

[A]

I gotta go, bro.

[C]

Don't work at the ringer, Dog. Junior can do whatever he wants.

[B]

Van, this for you. Brian Kelly said he will be 100 supportive of Notre Dame football in the future. And he also said that he never said that he was going to LSU to win national championships because he could not win them at Notre Dame. Do you buy it and your thoughts on Brian Kelly?

[A]

I think that it's a natural thing for Brian Kelly and Notre Dame to mend the rifts that they have because he was the most significant coach for Notre Dame in a very, very long time. Right? So I think that when Brian Kelly goes into the College Football hall of Fame, he'll go in as a Notre Dame coach. It looks like to me that Argentina just scored. It's 84. Oh, it's 1 1.

[B]

All right, we gotta watch.

[A]

Jude Bellingham is on the ground in Argentina.

[B]

He looks upset.

[C]

Oh, man. They scored an 84th.

[A]

That was in the 84th. Like, it's like Argent. Like, England just sold, like, in 1776, right? It's like that. That's a cell right there. Look at him. He's like. Yeah, I can't hear you. Like, look like he's like, give me some more. Look at this, look at this, look at this. Here comes the cross. Let's do this. So the ball comes in right there.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

At the top left of the box. Box. Here comes right here.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Oh. Oh. The cross country comes through. Oh, bang. Look at that shot. That is a beautiful goal.

[C]

Strict, man. That's.

[A]

Look right here. These goalies need to. These. These goalies are the place.

[C]

A number 24, by the way. A number 24. Well, number. That's wide open.

[A]

Well, bro. Bro. Look at this kick, dog. Boom.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's beautiful kick. That is a gorgeous.

[C]

Missed it, man.

[A]

Man.

[C]

Just missed it, man. I got to a fight.

[A]

Are they about to varus. Are they about to var. The out of this? Oh, no.

[B]

They're gonna make sure. Oh, no. They're good.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

England shook.

[A]

Why are they talking to him? Are they crying? They thought it was over. He's still celebrating.

[B]

Yeah. Argentina. England. There you go.

[A]

Excuse me. It's 86 minutes play. There's four minutes left, plus extra time, and then over time.

[B]

We got some more extra time. Probably.

[C]

Damn. We got some more extra time.

[B]

Yeah. It's gonna be a great World Cup. We got that on Sunday. All right. Anything else? Any parting shots? Van's gotta go. He's got to go talk to Vic Menza. Joel, you got anything?

[C]

I mean, no. I guess that's it.

[A]

Hey. Hey. Let me tell you something.

[B]

Be looking forward to another Joel Anderson Instagram post based on the show. He's. I can tell. I can see in his eyes.

[A]

I know.

[D]

When.

[C]

When Free is referencing this, depending on if I like it or not, but. Yeah, Right. Then I'll post it.

[B]

There you have it.

[A]

Shout out to the Big 12. Y' all should be glad.

[B]

Monster energy. Big 12.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Sit and sleep. Big 12. It could be it could be sitting sleep. It could be serious. XM Big 12.

[C]

It'll be nice. It'll be monster.

[A]

Big 12 is actually kind of for both.

[C]

It's kind of interesting, too, because LSU has this, like, they're going to announce this new scheme they're going to use to come up with to first pay for the athletic department. Now I just can't wait to see.

[B]

I can't wait to see what Louisiana Red Bull.

[A]

I can't wait to see it either. It'd probably be slavery, to be honest.

[C]

Hey, raising games, they'll be like, oh, that's a new. A new business model.

[A]

Joel is from Texas, bro. Like, Joel. It's so funny to me. Joel is from Texas, bro. Joel is from the seat of racist power right now, okay?

[C]

I mean, look, man, it's only because we were able to move into the league because Louisiana, we know what it is. Louisiana, it's not even up for. People don't really give a about. It's not really fight.

[A]

Joe, you are from Texas, bro.

[C]

You are from Houston.

[A]

Viciously. Vi Racist.

[C]

Not where I'm from. Not where I'm from.

[A]

Shout out. Hey, shout out to H. By the way.

[C]

That's okay.

[B]

Nice parting shots.

[A]

55% black city.

[C]

Okay?

[A]

What is. Is Houston majority black?

[C]

Check on Mo City. Well, I don't know about no.

[A]

I'm not talking about no Mo City.

[C]

You can't say Houston.

[A]

And same is Houston.

[C]

This is how racist Baton Rouge is. No, white people wanted to get out of Baton Rouge so much, they created a whole nother city. They're like, look, you right?

[A]

And they did. They had to leave. And now we even too many.

[C]

And now what is Saint Black? What is it called?

[A]

Mo Black.

[C]

Is it called Louisiana? Is that the name of the town?

[A]

St. George, Louisiana.

[C]

Yeah. They split off of bedrooms because they were tired. So again, you were trying to throw the race, but I'm just telling you about. Well, you're from Texas State. Okay, that's fine.

[A]

I'm saying that's what it is, bro. You're from Texas.

[C]

You're from you.

[A]

When people get tired of. When people get tired of a city that's actually too progressive, their thing is to move to Texas because that's where you can hate Louisiana, but you can't

[C]

do it in Louisiana because nobody wants to work in the petrochemical or the casino industry.

[A]

We're poor, black,

[C]

black.

[A]

Baton Rouge is majority black. Louisiana. 34 between Louisiana and between Louisiana and Mississippi. Those are some of the blackest states.

[C]

People are not trying to Move. Unless they're like a tourist that wants to move to New Orleans or some like that.

[A]

That's very true. But at the same time, they want to be moved to Texas so they can be free to shoot.

[C]

No, some are moving to Houston. I mean, I'm not really taking credit for this or whatever. We don't have to Houston. But Drake like Houston so much, he realized he had to live next to Houston. Houston is also, again, as I said, a city where people are coming to indulge in a nigga, man. You know what I'm saying? So that's the area from which I'm from. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Not an area I got no problem with Houston. I get love in Houston. All I'm saying is ain't nobody from Texas. You and Rachel is crazy. Ain't nobody from the state of Texas. The anti abortion, anti voter.

[C]

The is Jeff Landry.

[A]

Wait, hold on. He is you talking about Jeff, but Jeff Landry. Nobody from Texas or Florida can lecture any other place in the south on its racism. Texas is the mascot.

[C]

I just. The mascot. I wasn't even talking about racism. I'm just saying that lsu, they're looking for a new funding system for the athletic department, and maybe slavery is one of those ideas. We'll find out. I think the meeting is on Thursday,

[A]

but this time, we just slay the white people.

[C]

People, we put the.

[B]

I think this is a beautiful parting shot.

[A]

We call it food for thought, a new essence. If y' all love LSU football, that get down there and farm some indigo for it. Tate. A new essence.

[C]

He wants more Craig sts.

[A]

You want to.

[C]

You want to build a whole plane out of Craig sts?

[A]

Craig sts could be on there. T could be on there. Jacob Hester, they love it so much. Those actually good. Them's good white folk.

[B]

All right there. You have tail game.

[C]

I believe it scored again.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[C]

Who you gonna root for? Spain?

[B]

Oh, Messi. Vers spade is incredible. Vers Messi.

[C]

Nobody wants that.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Everybody wants that.

[D]

Joy.

[C]

England, man, y'.

[A]

All.

[B]

But it was England clean.

[C]

Y' all are sad as, man.

[B]

Hey, guess what? It's not coming. Hey, it's not coming home, Joel.

[C]

That's true. That's what they say. I was only rooting for England because I didn't want to see Argentina win, but whatever. Why, man? Look, man, I told you, bro. I got to with some of these people, man.

[A]

I.

[C]

Look, here's the thing. Just like we. Van was saying about Texas is racist, too. I Get it? I know America is racist. You know what I'm saying? And I'm not afraid to point it out, but some countries catch your attention in ways that others don't. In Argentina, I can't help but notice that they don't got no in. In all of South America, right next to Brazil.

[B]

Joe, look at what England is.

[A]

You are an American. I see people doing this to Argentina, dog. If you are an American, you cannot comment on anybody else's race.

[C]

Sure I can. Yeah, I come in on us too. I come in on us too.

[A]

You can't comment on anybody else's racist.

[C]

Racist. And I like, if I was going to pick.

[A]

Do you realize. I know that you realize. Do you realize that Hitler literally got a lot of his talking points from the Dearborn Independent, from Henry Ford. Like we inspired

[C]

some place to go. A lot of them went to Argentina because they felt right.

[A]

So. So what I'm saying is, even if you use. If you use. Even if you use that, I'm saying England. Nazis came from there, came from us to there, then to rc.

[C]

I didn't root for the States. I didn't root for the States either. I know, I know RG3 probably thinks I'm anti American, but I didn't. I didn't root for the States. I always root for the African teams first. You know what I'm saying? Sorry. That's. It is what it is. I didn't root for the States. I think it's funny when the States lose.

[A]

But look at the English people. The English people look so crazy right now. Now they gotta go get a dough.

[C]

That's funny.

[B]

They gotta go get some bangers, beans, mash.

[C]

Is that a game? Game of Thrones outfit that they were wearing?

[A]

Oh, no. They. They came out here. Now they got to get a goal in extra time. Probably about six minutes left.

[C]

This hurts, man. This hurts.

[B]

It's a wrap just like this show. Ring your tailgate. We're back. Hope everybody enjoys the rest of their week. And we will be back next Wednesday. We'll see you then. Let's raise that roof.

[C]

Last time, Billy.

[D]

Come on.

[B]

Ring your tailgate.com, gmail.com. ring your tailgate. Yeah, there you go.

[A]

We're going to put you on the plantation.

[B]

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[D]

Problem.

[B]

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