CFB Week 10 LIVE Reactions: Miami & Vandy's Playoff Hopes, OSU on top + LSU Latest | Ringer Tailgate

Summary

Ringer Tailgate – CFB Week 10 LIVE Reactions: “Miami & Vandy's Playoff Hopes, OSU on top + LSU Latest”

Podcast: Ringer Tailgate
Date: November 2, 2025
Hosts: Tate Frazier, Van Lathan, Joel Anderson
Episode Overview:
This episode dives deep into the chaos and drama of Week 10 in college football. The crew reacts live to the biggest games, major storylines, and wildest fan moments—Miami’s unraveling, Vandy’s narrow playoff hopes, Texas’ rollercoaster game, the stability of Georgia, OSU’s dominance, and the ongoing search for a new LSU coach amid political chaos. Interspersed throughout are vintage Ringer Tailgate banter, inside jokes, and memorable quotes.

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Episode Theme & Purpose

To provide immediate, insightful, and entertaining reactions to the pivotal Week 10 college football results, focusing on shifts in playoff races, underperforming programs, and coaching drama, while highlighting the unique characters of teams, fanbases, and the wider CFB universe.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Georgia Survives Florida Again

• Discussion: Georgia defeats Florida for the fifth straight time. The crew debates whether this Georgia squad is really on par with past powerhouses.
  • Joel: “They are a very good veteran, plucky team but nothing about them scares me. Like… they’re gettable.” ([01:52])
  • Van: “If you’re comparing them to the dominant Georgia teams from the past then they certainly don’t have that same aura.” ([02:51])
  • Tate: “Kirby Smart...he is the class of all coaches right now in college football. So that's what really scares me about Georgia.” ([03:27])

2. Miami Hurricanes: Out of Playoff Contention?

• Van’s Hot Take: “I think Miami’s in hell…I wonder about the Hurricanes if there isn’t another loss in there somewhere.” ([03:58])
• Joel’s Accountability: Claims he predicted Miami’s struggles and mocked for it earlier; now insists fan unrest is justified: “If he loses any one of these last games, people are going to start talking about getting his ass out of there.” ([06:33])
• Fan Reaction: Recap of a wild Miami Twitter space, highlighting the intense, divided fan base and their demand for Mario Cristobal’s ousting.
  • Van: “There were people inside of that space that wanted Mario Cristobal to be fired…And they were asking if there was some systemic contagion inside of the program.” ([09:14])
  • Tate: “The best part of the spaces…someone brought up the refs, and everyone was like, man, shut your ass.” ([10:14])

Miami’s Playoff Path & ACC Outlook

• Record: Cristobal is now 12-10 vs. unranked ACC opponents at Miami, struggling late in seasons.
• Miami now outside the ACC title game hunt and virtually no playoff path remaining.
• Joel: “If Miami can’t make the ACC championship game, they’re definitely not going to the playoffs.” ([13:26])
• Louisville and Georgia Tech named as possible class of the ACC, but all contenders have glaring flaws.

3. Two-loss Playoff Teams? Vandy, Miami, Notre Dame Debate

• Van: Dissects Vandy’s resume, poking holes in the playoff hopes for two-loss teams.
• Joel: “Maybe there are a lot of two-loss teams at the end of the year…but Miami is going to be at the bottom of that argument.” ([19:34])
• General consensus: Miami and Notre Dame are effectively out, Vandy likely needs chaos.

4. Vanderbilt’s Gritty Loss to Texas

• “Game of Inches” was the story, with a dramatic onside kick recovery attempt.
  • Tate: “What an incredible moment there with that onside kick. That was total drama.” ([21:14])
  • Joel: “Vandy’s not overly talented…but they’re really just stitching it together and they’re very tough and obviously they’re resilient.” ([22:08])
• Texas, for all their talent, still seem incapable of imposing their will for a full game.
  • Van: “Texas is a bewildering college football team…they play to the level of their opponent and they don’t seem to be able to really impose their will.” ([23:22])
  • Memorable Image: “They are one squiggly ball onside kick recovery away from really being in a puckered asshole situation.” ([24:54])

5. Quarterback Development & The Texas Conundrum

• Arch Manning’s Progress:
  • Tate: “Arch Manning did, we did. Obviously this was the best game he’s played, but do we believe that he’s actually turned the corner?” ([25:37])
  • Joel: “No, I wouldn’t say he’s turned the corner…Texas for at least three and a half quarters today we saw that team.” ([26:09])
• Comparing QB rooms around the country, with van and Joel debating who’s most dangerous—Texas, Alabama, Notre Dame, Georgia.

6. Ohio State & Jeremiah Smith: Are They Unstoppable?

• Jeremiah Smith named as potentially the best player in college football.
  • Tate: “Is Jeremiah Smith the best player in college football right now?” ([33:33])
  • Van: “I think he’s certainly the most talented…They took all of the past Ohio State wide receivers… and put them all into one guy. And that guy is Jeremiah Smith.” ([34:07])
• OSU’s Big Ten advantage: “they essentially get live scrimmages every Saturday.” ([35:00])
  • Importance of building depth and experimenting week by week ahead of real tests.

7. Heisman and Defensive Standouts

• Heisman Odds: Julian Sayin favored, but panel questions if it should go to him or defensive players or WRs like Jeremiah Smith.
• Discussion on other defensive stars: Colin Simmons likened (favorably) to past greats like Brian Orakpo. ([38:22]-[39:51])

8. LSU Coach Search: Political Interference and Uncertainty

• Van delivers a passionate monologue on the disastrous political meddling in LSU’s football program.
  • Van: “What’s happening right now in Louisiana…the search for a head coach goes is such a slap in the face to the LSU football fans. The disarray, the disorganization, the politics, the cronyism...” ([51:34])
  • Direct criticism of Governor Landry inserting himself in the search and taking on agent Jimmy Sexton: “He looked like a cute little baby rabbit who didn’t know what the hell he was doing.” ([54:05])
• Coaching names floated, but no clear favorites emerge; Kelvin Sheppard mentioned as an interesting in-house candidate with upward momentum but also high risk (social/racial components discussed openly).
  • Van: “He’s a guy that continuously impresses people…But it’s a fucking high leverage hire.” ([60:05])
  • Joel: “I root for the brothers…I want them to have opportunities for jobs like this. I get tired of them getting the UAB’s or the FAU’s…” ([61:21])

9. Quick Hitters, G5 Report & Notable Moments

• Navy loses its first game, opening up chaos in the American.
• Mike Vick vs. DeSean Jackson as HBCU head coaches, celebrated as a special moment for black coaching pipeline.
  • Joel: “The hiring of DeSean Jackson is maybe the most inspired coaching hire of the year in college football.” ([85:23])
  • Van: “It’s also important that these brothers who want to be head coaches just get opportunities to get their feet wet.” ([86:28])
• Extended banter over historical SAT scores and Wonderlic trivia, a recurring Ringer Tailgate diversion.

10. Urban Meyer and Dabo Sweeney Speculation

• Urban Meyer says he has “no desire to return to coaching,” but hosts are skeptical.
  • Van: “He likes to find a younger lady and show her the spread offense, but that is not…when you look at some of the other stuff that has gone on, not that bad.” ([71:48])
  • Crew concludes that if Meyer wants a job, he’ll have offers.
• Dabo Sweeney’s situation dissected, determined unlikely to bolt for another job despite Clemson stalling.

11. Parting Shots: Season’s Stretch Run & Outlook

• Van: “A lot of flexing of the muscle going. We got one big upset overall thus far. It’s been a good week of college football.” ([89:53])
• Joel: “College game day, the big game next week might be in Lubbock, Texas, BYU at Texas Tech…The Big 12 might be in the center stage for a little bit.” ([90:10])
• Consensus: The season’s flying by, multi-view TV struggles hindering fans, and uncertainty at the top of college football persists.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Miami fans:

  • “There were people inside of that space that wanted Mario Cristobal to be fired…asking if there was some systemic contagion inside of the program.” – Van Lathan ([09:14])
  • "The best part of the spaces...someone brought up the refs, and everyone was like, man, shut your ass." – Tate Frazier ([10:14])

• On Georgia:

  • "They are a very good veteran, plucky team but nothing about them scares me." – Joel Anderson ([01:52])

• On the playoff conundrum:

  • "If Miami can't make the ACC championship game, they're definitely not going to the playoffs." – Joel Anderson ([13:26])
  • "You'd have to take the totality of a lot of other things that happened...I don't know what to make of Vandy right now in their playoff chances if they can win out." – Van Lathan ([19:34])

• On Texas:

  • "Texas is a bewildering college football team…they play to the level of their opponent and they don’t seem to be able to really impose their will." – Van Lathan ([23:22])

• On Ohio State and Jeremiah Smith:

  • "They took all of the past Ohio State wide receivers…and put them all into one guy. And that guy is Jeremiah Smith." – Van Lathan ([34:07])

• On the LSU coaching search:

  • “The governor comes out and takes this guy on. He looked like a cute little baby rabbit who didn’t know what the hell he was doing." – Van Lathan ([54:05])
  • "He would be a coach, a brand new head coach at a really, really, really coveted job, and he’d have some bumps and bruises and he would have to grow. So knowing that he’s just always leveled up wherever he’s been, I’m not saying he’s the guy for the job, but I’m saying that, like, he does have some momentum." – Van Lathan (about Kelvin Sheppard) ([60:05])

• On black coaches in college football:

  • “I just...like to see throwing some of the brothers out there, man, give them a chance to fail, too. They can go out there and go six and six like anybody, everybody else.” – Joel Anderson ([88:04])

• On legendary HBCU coaching moment:

  • "The hiring of DeSean Jackson is maybe the most inspired coaching hire of the year in college football." – Joel Anderson ([85:23])
  • “It’s also important that these brothers who want to be head coaches just get opportunities to get their feet wet…for the ecosystem of black coaches.” – Van Lathan ([86:28])

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Notable Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:52] – Joel’s take on Georgia’s “gettable” nature.
• [03:58] – Van says "Miami’s in hell" and breaks down their collapse.
• [06:33] – Joel takes a victory lap on predicting Miami fan unrest.
• [10:14] – Recap of Miami Twitter space meltdown, “shut your ass.”
• [13:26] – Joel asserts Miami’s playoff hopes are dead.
• [21:14] – Tate and crew recap Vandy’s “game of inches” loss to Texas.
• [33:33] – Is Jeremiah Smith college football’s best player?
• [35:00] – Van discusses Ohio State’s “live scrimmages” and development.
• [51:34] – Van’s impassioned critique of politics derailing LSU’s coach search.
• [60:05] – High-leverage risks and rewards of hiring Kelvin Sheppard.
• [71:48] – Van’s irreverent summary of Urban Meyer's off-field issues.
• [85:23] – DeSean Jackson’s HBCU coaching breakout.
• [88:04] – Joel’s John Thompson-inspired quote on black coaches getting opportunities.

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Additional Highlights

• Plenty of fun banter, including SAT/Wonderlic talk, shout-outs to families, and off-the-rails moments (e.g., extended riff on Urban Meyer, Percy Harvin and Tebow stories at Florida).
• Ongoing frustration with TV/streaming issues impacting fans’ ability to watch all games.
• “Game of inches” motif as recurrent metaphor for the fine lines in chaotic playoff races.
• Analytical yet entertaining breakdowns almost always graced with some chaos or personal digression typical of Ringer Tailgate.

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Wrap Up

Episode Tone:
Smart, lively, chaotic, and deeply knowledgeable, balancing irreverence with genuine analysis and concern for the sport and its culture.

Summary for Newcomers:
If you missed Week 10, this episode will get you caught up on everything from Miami’s meltdown, Vandy’s heroic near-miss, Texas’s identity crisis, the surgically precise (if rarely tested) Ohio State juggernaut, and the turbulent search for a new LSU coach. Expect fan drama, playoff litigations, coaching rumors, plenty of memorable quotes, and wild, infectious college football energy.

Transcript

[A]

Foreign we're back. Ringer Tailgate. I'm your host Tate Frazier. We got some great games to talk about. Florida. Georgia just wrapped up Georgia five straight against Florida. The Gators played hard in this game. They had their opportunities, but Georgia once again find a finds a way to win this game. This is Ringer tailgate presented by FanDuel. And college football Saturdays are heating up. Whether you're in it for the early kick or the late night action, FanDuel lets you your way with same game parlays, live betting game props and more. And Missouri, get excited because FanDuels coming your way December 1st. Download the app and head to FanDuel.com Tailgate and make every Saturday count. Must be 21 or older in President. Select states are 18 and older and present in DC, Kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit rg-help.com, call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut. First and foremost, let's say what's up to our guys. Van Lathan with the aluminum bat. He still got it. What's up, fam?

[B]

So I guess since we had to like bring the show back, do you feel like you have to do the same intro because they heard you say the aluminum bat?

[A]

I don't know. I, I, I was wondering, yeah, I.

[C]

Was wondering what was going on.

[A]

I'm thinking about the podcast audience, you know what I mean? Like if they never saw this live, they're listening to it for the first time. You know what I mean? I didn't want to have the editors have to piece together the two different intros. Right. I'm got the, I don't want to make these guys have to do double duty, but you know, again, in case you missed it the first time, double shot. Van's got the aluminum bat, the Easton. Then we got Joel Anderson. Joel, we don't have to do the pleasure pleasantries right now, but what's up with you? How you feeling after that Georgia Florida game? Did we learn anything about Georgia or Florida after this game?

[C]

I think that Florida still and it's all these kids get paid now. It's still a credit to Florida that they play so hard every week. Like it doesn't make a difference. Like clearly they're not playing for the playoffs anymore and yet and still they're in it every game. And that's something, you know, I think that is admirable about them in that program and speaks well of Billy Napier if he ever gets Another chance that's something that they can point to and they'll be like, well you know what, his team still played hard even when you didn't think they had anything ahead of him. And as for Georgia, man, you know we were just talking about this before the feed came back on and they are a very good veteran, plucky team but nothing about them scares me. Like I don't. There's, you know, I guess Zachariah Branch is maybe the one guy on that whole team that scares me. But they've got a lot of talent but nothing that just pops. They don't scare me. I just feel like they could be, you know, they're gettable so to speak but.

[B]

But I mean, yeah, if you're comparing them to the dominant Georgia teams from the past then they certainly don't have that same aura.

[C]

It.

[B]

And I'm not scared but I will say anytime, you know that you have to play every second of a of of a game to be the team. It's always tough and there's just been so many times where it seems that, that, that Georgia was on the ropes. The only team that was able to put together a complete performance and actually get the kill shot on him was Alabama. And you know, Georgia made a couple of. They snake bid when it comes to Alabama but they made a couple of.

[A]

Also had one of the worst drops I've ever seen for a touchdown in that game. That was a wide open touchdown where a true freshman dropped the ball. So I mean there was kind of an extenuating circumstance there. I just with Kirby Smart, I think he is the class of all coaches right now in college football. So that's what really scares me about Georgia. I feel like they can still figure out ways to win games. We did litigate the YouTube TV situation. We talked about the. How the multi view has affected us personally. We don't have to redo that. So let's just go right into things. One big reaction. Van, I'll go to you first. What was your one big reaction from the early windows of games?

[B]

I think Miami's in hell. I think, I think we got to open the gates of hell for Miami now. Here's, here's the thing. A two loss Miami team. There's still a path for them moving forward. But there's two things that makes me think Miami's in hell right now. Number one, the fact that a lot of the stuff that we praise them for at the beginning of the season now seems to be the kinds of stuff that's biting them in the ass. When we got off to the start of this season, it was the fact that Carson Beck was playing so consistently, he was able to be that quarterback, that point guard for them, for them, get the ball all over the field and make big throws at big times. Well, now you're seeing, even though he had a great second half in this game today, he makes the crucial mistake at the end of the game to lose the game for them. And you know, they essentially after you turn the ball over on the first drive of overtime, your chances of winning that game plummet, right? And then the offensive line, as much praise has been heaped on the offensive line, they are a really penalized sort of reeling unit right now down there in Miami. And those were two things that they could really hang their hat on. The defense still plays pretty good, but gives up, plays, plays when they. You need, you really need to have a stop. They, they seem to kind of bend a little bit. I wonder, I wonder about the Hurricanes if there isn't another loss in there somewhere.

[D]

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[A]

And we've seen. Here's the first fact for you, Mario Cristobal, 49 in the month of November while at Miami he's 12 and 10 against unraked ACC opponents at Miami. So Mario Cristobal obviously has struggled with once it's gotten late in the season. That was sort of the knock last year. They lost two of their last three. They ended up being the second team out of the playoffs. So that was obviously a big talking point coming into this season. Could they get over the hump? Could they be one of those teams? And Joel, right now it looks like they're on the outside looking in, especially with the ACC championship game. They're not going to be in that game now looking at the rankings in the standings.

[C]

Well, yeah, I mean, first of all, I just want, you know, people to hold me accountable for being right about Miami.

[A]

Oh, is that your reaction? Your reaction?

[C]

Well, yeah, right. Yeah. Three days, three days ago, y' all mocked me for my opinion. The Mario Cristobal might face a very angry fan base if he lost any more games this season. And I didn't say they were going to get fired, but I did say, man, if he loses any one of these last games, people are going to start talking about getting his ass out of there. And they heard it. And look, Van.

[B]

Look, it was Van. What the hell is going on here? That's like that. But, bro, not even the furthest right maga spin doctor could just cook up the sludge that you just gave to us. You said I was right. I was right about the fact that if Mario Cristobal lost another game, that the fans would be mad. Yes, I was right. I was right about the fact that y' all clown me Mouse lives with Minnie Mouse.

[C]

And he's gonna laugh, I don't think.

[B]

What are you right about? If they lose again, they're gonna be mad.

[C]

I don't think many live together, you know?

[B]

Is that right you are, negro?

[C]

Yeah, no, I am. I work all my props, cuz. Y' all set up here and we like, oh, man, they're not going. They're not gonna fire no mil. They not nobody. That's not gonna happen to Miami. Miami is back. The U is back. And all this other.

[B]

This is all lies. Run back.

[C]

Run back the tape.

[B]

Oh, by the way, no, I did not think that they were going to lose the smu. But, yeah, if they lost, people were.

[C]

Going to be mad because I said, again, a team coached by Mario Cristobal, you could just. There's no. There was this assumption that Miami had pretty much a free. A free run to the playoffs, that they had gotten past their hardest game and that they were going to go ahead and get in there. And I was like, I don't know about that. Like, I just didn't. I didn't see from them that they were going to be that kind of a team. And so here we are today, and Van, you the one that threw this Twitter spaces, and I want to shout them out. Aj.

[A]

Oh, man, they did a great job.

[C]

The man of your dreams through this. This Twitter spaces talk group text. I listen that shit for two and a half hours.

[B]

I listen to. Man, it was a Twitter space, and it's like the Jam DJs or something like that. Whether it's like the Jam Posse or something. It was on Uncle Luke's page and I went there and I listened to it, and it was about the most entertaining post game show I have ever. There was a guy on there named Big Boss. He was. He was pissed. And they argued so many different things. They argue. What was wrong with the team, they argue, they. They kept saying, tvd, tvd. I'm like, what the hell is going. And they're talking about Tyler Van Dyke.

[A]

Shout out.

[B]

And I hadn't thought about him in so long.

[C]

Yeah, man.

[B]

But to. To Joel's point, there were people inside of that space that wanted Mario Crystal Ball to be fired. And then there were some people at the end and cooler heads came in and said that, listen, this is not a problem that is individual or unique to Mario Crystal Ball. Manny Diaz had this problem, you know, coaches before. Manny Diaz had this problem with not quite being Mark. Rick had this. Had this problem with for some reason, not being able to finish seasons strong and impose their will on teams like Miami, teams of old. And they were asking if there was some systemic contagion inside of the program that was keeping these coaches from being able to fully bring the you back.

[C]

The. The funny thing about that is all those guys got fired. I mean, you know what I'm saying? And so, like, it feels again. And I would say, wouldn't y' all circling back, would you all not argue that the vast majority of the people in that spaces wanted that man fired or gone?

[B]

They were pissed off. They were pissed.

[A]

Especially about the in game coaching. I mean, the best part of the spaces was, at least for me, someone brought up the referees, right? How they had been getting hosed on these referees calls. You know, there was like a pass interference. They picked the flag up. And that's why I knew that they were a good fan base because, like, someone brought up the refs, and everyone was like, man, shut your ass.

[C]

Yeah, right. They were literally talking to them like that also.

[B]

They said. They say, hold on. Hold on for a second.

[A]

Shut your ass up, man.

[C]

Come on. That was good.

[B]

The essence.

[C]

The man, we talked about that, man. How you doing, dog?

[A]

It was. It was a shut your ass up moment. It was great.

[B]

No, that's not how you said it a second ago. Essence. That's not how you don't do that. Don't.

[A]

Telling you it was. It got me fired up because, like, whenever you blame the refs, immediately. I'm done with you. I'm done with the.

[B]

We got address. The elephant in the room that we got to address it. We were joking with Tate about the Tarill thing.

[C]

Why you bringing this up, man?

[B]

We were playing and Tate. People in Tate's life are mad at us. The North Carolina fans are mad at us. We were joking about him being.

[A]

I can say whatever on the show now. My mom's never coming back.

[B]

Oh, Mrs. Tate.

[C]

Fraser.

[B]

We was just playing this.

[C]

Billy Kane Frazier. That's your mom? Yeah. Oh, she followed me on Instagram. She followed me on Instagram, man.

[A]

Yeah, there you go.

[C]

That's the. Come on, man.

[B]

Ms. Frazier, we was just playing.

[C]

We were just joking.

[B]

He was just playing. Don't be. By the way, it's not us that said it.

[C]

It was William Thor.

[A]

She unfollowed him, too.

[C]

Yeah. William Thorpe is the one that said it was the essence of William. Primacy and, like, rooting for the Confederate soldiers. I didn't. I was just quoting what William Thorpe told the Fayetteville.

[A]

Yeah, we're rooting for Dean Smith.

[C]

Oh, Charlie Scott. Man, y' all have a great. Y' all have. I mean, University of North Carolina has a very good tradition. They integrated well before a lot of other schools in the South.

[A]

This is true.

[B]

Okay, so who is the class of the acc? Is it Virginia?

[A]

Georgia Tech.

[B]

Right, Georgia Tech. I mean, Georgia Tech.

[A]

I mean, Louisville's in the conversation.

[B]

Louisville's in the conversation. And do we feel like Louisville and Georgia Tech have been tested on the field like Miami has been?

[A]

No.

[C]

No, not at all.

[B]

Right, so. So that's why I'm asking. I mean, the team that's in a driver's seat right now is certainly Georgia Tech. I mean, they're undefeated. But if we're saying the class of the conference. Have those teams been tested like Miami? I mean, Miami's losses aren't actually to what a lot of people would think are the best teams on their schedule. They're not. But at the same time, they do have wins. Like the win over Notre Dame. They do have wins, you know, some of the other wins. Now, you look at them, and they maybe don't mean as much. They have. A loss to Florida means a lot. A loss to SMU means a lot. But it seems like that ACC picture, as far as the power structure in that conference. There's a lot of questions. Every team has a lot of questions.

[C]

The thing is, though, I don't think there's any way that they can make up for it, because they. First of all, they don't control their own destiny in the conference right now. So they're behind Georgia Tech, Virginia, Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh only has one.

[B]

Pittsburgh is playing fantastic.

[C]

They're playing great. They're playing great, and they got to play Pittsburgh at the end of the year. That is not a win for them necessarily. Okay. And then they're behind smu, obviously. SMU has got one loss in Duke, and they're Tied with Virginia Tech and Wake4. So if Miami can't make the ACC championship game, they're definitely not going to the playoffs. They don't have enough wins. I think at this point. I, I mean, I know Billy, our boy Billy, man, he's talking about Miami, man. I don't know if that hurt him or not. But you, he's an FIU kid, so you don't, you don't give a. About them boys.

[A]

But, but, but Billy hit us with the 8% chance to make the playoff. That's what ESPN is saying.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, the 8% chance, man. So I just, I don't know, bro. I mean, and that's why I'm saying, Mario, crystal ball next year. I don't know what that buyout goes down to. Right now it's a 61 million, okay. I don't think Miami's lace like that. They're not about to pay. The other teams are going to play.

[B]

If Miami is out of the playoff right now. Is Notre Dame out of the playoff?

[A]

I mean, by transitive property you would.

[B]

Say yes, but they're not even by transitive property. Right? Because Notre Dame, if Notre Dame would have went out right now, I mean.

[A]

This, they struggled against Boston College today. It was not a pretty game, man.

[B]

But if they were to win out and Miami were to win out, right? If both teams were to win out, you have a two loss Notre Dame team, you have a two loss Miami team, you have a head to head matchup where Notre Dame lost to Miami, right? How could you possibly put them into the playoff and not have Miami into it? This, this, this matchup right here, this result of Miami dropping a couple of games, that must be disastrous for no James fans. But I want to hear what you have to say, Joe. Like, what do you, what do you mean?

[C]

No, I mean, I think I could. I think because it was the first week of the season, so they're going to look back. Oh, okay. First week of the season, we thought Clemson and LSU were good. First week of the season, we thought Florida State was going to be good. I think by this point you kind of got to throw week one out as a factor.

[B]

What?

[C]

Yeah, you got to throw it out also. They lost by three. Notre Dame lost by three. First week of the season they had a brand new quarterback. He had not started before. I mean it was like, that's not, that's a respectable loss under the circumstances. These are totally different teams now and their, their resumes are totally different and.

[A]

They may use the Florida State game As a, as a way to kind of point to the week ones a little bit different. Right. Because Florida State waxes Alabama and they haven't won an ACC game yet.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

There's only one problem with what you guys are saying is, is that sure, Notre Dame's loss isn't as bad as what it would have seemed like at the beginning of the season, but they also don't have any real big wins to supplement that loss with. Right. So it would be different if Notre Dame in a couple of weeks played Ohio State and then they beat Ohio State or if Notre Dame in a couple of weeks played Ole Miss or Georgia or whomever and they beat one of these teams. Notre Dame doesn't have a great win right now. And if you look at the rest of the schedule, they have some good wins. Don't get me wrong, if you look at the rest schedule, it's a good win, right? Don't, don't get me wrong. If you look at the rest of the schedule, there's not a, a great win for them to be had. However, Miami, despite the fact that they've had some losses that are bad, Notre Dame has two bad, has two good losses. Miami has two bad losses. But Miami also has a good win over Notre Dame. So it would be very difficult for Notre Dame to have to go through the whole season and not really have a great win, not really beating anybody. That was great. Right. I give them credit for the USC victory and then be put into the playoff over a team that beat them. Doesn't matter what week the game was played in. They played the football game. There was a final score, there was a winner and there was a loser. The best thing for Notre Dame to get in as a two loss team would have been for Miami to continue to be a dominant team throughout the season. But if they're too mediocre or mediocre, slightly above average teams sitting there right now, the head to head would have to matter. You guys don't think so?

[C]

Well, it might matter and then neither one of them will make it because I think it's not, it's not even a question. I, I think at this point, unless a whole bunch of teams lose ahead of them, if they can't even play in the ACC championship game, there's no way they're going to make the playoff. Right. And then, and then that, and at that rate, then I guess if Notre Dame still has two losses and then you got to presume there's going to be some other team like Vandy, like let's say Vandy wins out, right? They've got two losses. You probably gonna pick Vandy over those two teams at this point, right?

[B]

Maybe. Let me look. Let's, let's look at what Vandy has done. Right? So Vandy beat LSU. That's, that's, that's Trash Bags McGillicuddy. All right. You know you like that huh? You like that?

[C]

I like that.

[B]

You with that like you like trashback mc.

[C]

I like nasty.

[B]

I can't wait to find what you love and just grind it. Okay so if we look at, so, so look if we look at Vandy's schedule, Vandy has. If we, if we look at Vandy schedule, they beat South Carolina. South Carolina was right, number 11 at the time. We know that they're not a top 10 top 15 team. They beat LSU, number 10 team. Not a top 10 top 15 team. They be. They lost to Alabama. They lost to Texas. Their other win is over Missouri. All right, so if you look at Vandy's schedule I give Vanderbilt a whole ton of credit, a ton of credit for, for what it is that they've accomplished thus far. They have Auburn, Kentucky and Tennessee to finish out. But I would look at it right now and say that look, a 2 loss Vandy isn't a lot for the playoff. Not to me, not, not with what I'm seeing right now. You'd have to take the totality of a lot of other things that happened. But I'm looking at this right now and I'm seeing Vanderbilt against the two, I guess toughest teams that they play. I wouldn't say that Texas was the toughest thing but it's a tough game playing at Texas. They were down pretty big in that game. Furious finish to come back. But I don't know, all of this stuff is kind of, it's just out there in the ether right now. I don't know what to make of Vandy right now in their playoff chances if they can win out.

[C]

I guess the thing is, is maybe what I mean you're right about Vandy specifically but they're going to be a lot of two loss teams at the end of the year.

[A]

I assume it's going to be so much litigation. Yeah, there's going to be a lot of trying to argue out. I mean you can obviously win any argument but it's going to be tough.

[C]

And Miami is going to be at the bottom of that argument because they're probably not even going to make that conference championship game and it'll just be too tough they'll take whoever the ACC champ is. They'll get one of those four. One of those four buys or whatever, one of the slots for the conference champ. And then it'll be, you know, whatever the next best ranke or maybe one of the title game loser or which.

[A]

Feels like somebody else.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Louisville, you know, will probably be that team if Georgia Tech handles business.

[C]

Right, Right. And Louisville got them. So. Yeah, man, I think pretty much for Miami, it's over. And man, it's just. I'm just. I mean, Mario Cristobal, man, you know, I mean, that dude.

[B]

I just. It's. I get it that they're on the ropes. I can't just. With the way things are going right now, I cannot say that it's over.

[A]

I can't say it's too much chaos. Right, Fan? I mean, you're saying that there's so many things are going to happen ahead of them that maybe it does break their way.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, you even look today, Georgia is, in my opinion, Georgia is a fourth and two or fourth and one conversion away from. From having a loss put on them today. You know, Ole Miss is playing right now. We see how this game turns out. That's. That's going to be a game that I think is going to be a little bit competitive right there between Ole Miss and South Carolina. It's a lot of football left to be played. If you were Miami, you'd have to think that there's still a chance. But if you were a team that Miami beat, you'd have to think, I don't know, like what, what the hill you climb on, that is. We'll see what happens.

[A]

Yeah, we'll see what happens. One big reaction for me, game of inches. Pull up the any given Sunday speech right now from Al Pacino. Great speech. Great moment. Van's turning the game of inches to the pause of the week. But yeah, game of inches is really the speech. And it felt like that was the storyline in this Vandy game at the end. What an incredible moment there with that onside kick. That was total drama. Felt like it was going to be the perfect moment for Pavia to get a chance to go down. Touchdown. Sells an opportunity to go to overtime, but the ball just never gets corralled. Ends up going out of bounds. And Sarkeesian, I mean, you could see the relief in his face after that game for them to be able to sneak out and win that game. So maybe that will also bolster the Vandy argument. They were that close to coming back in A game that felt like it was completely over at one point.

[C]

Point.

[B]

Yeah. Joe. Oh, Joe, you want to go?

[C]

Yeah, yeah. No, go ahead. I was gonna say. Yeah. I mean, I thought. I mean, it really speaks well with Vandy, man, that. Because I think there's.

[A]

They wouldn't die.

[C]

There's two things I came out of this game thinking. I was like, man, Vandy's not overly talented. Like, you could just kind of see the difference between a four and five star roster and a two and a half to three star roster. And I was like, they're really just stitching it together and they're very tough and obviously they're resilient. They did not go away and had a chance to win this game at the end. But I was like, well, you know, I just didn't think they were overly talented. And then with Texas, I was just like, man, they are just, I mean, they are really on a tightrope. Like, it's just like they're just begging for somebody to knock them out of the playoff race, you know, Because I just like that. That should have. For the first three and a half quarters, they look almost like the team that people said that they were going to be this season, right? Like, Arch looked great, they could run the ball a little bit. The defense had held them, had held down Vandy, and then all of a sudden it imploded in on them. And I'm just like, man, that kind of, that's the, that's the kind of the Texas Longhorn story, like, coming up short, disappointing their fans in a big spot and they managed to hold on. And I'm just like, I don't again, like, they've got what it takes. They really do. But I just kind of wonder if, you know, they'll be able to keep pulling it off this way the rest of the year. Just feels like eventually they're going to get got playing like that.

[B]

You know, this is such a ridiculous thing to say. It's such a silly thing to say. Texas doesn't seem like a very tough team. They play with a lot of precision today and they really executed. And what they showed everybody out there was that on any given Saturday, with the amount of talent that exists at Texas, they can execute properly and be a problem for sure. That's Arsh, that's Wisener, that's everybody, right? That's what they have on the edge. It's what they have on the front and the back side of the defense. All kinds of stuff. You know, your, your, your Wingo and Livingston Got got jiggy today, right? Arch had a big day. But there is something about Texas that they play to the level of their opponent and they don't seem to be able to really impose their will on the team across the line of scrimmage from them. And maybe there are fewer teams in college football that can impose their will on their opposition than there ever have been. But they just did not finish that game as much as they finished the game against Mississippi State, which is the team that they have way more talent than. That's how much they didn't finish this game today. And they are one squiggly ball onside kick recovery away from really being in a puckered asshole situation at the end of that game.

[A]

Through the hands of Parker Livingston, by the way.

[B]

Through the hands of Parker Livingston. Texas is a bewildering college football team because you watch them for three quarters and you go, wow, this is the team like Joel said that everybody said we were going to be watching. And then all of a sudden the old just shows back up again and they just cannot busted coverage. Huge play, just like out executed, out executed, out executed. And it's almost like Vandy woke up and it clicked back in their head that they could beat this team. And then they started doing it. Credit to Texas though, they won the football game against a really good football game and it's a quality win for them.

[A]

And we had the controversial two point conversion where when, you know, you go back, it looked like he didn't quite cross the pylon. So maybe you can do what it could have, should have. You know, if you're a Texas fan, you're like, we shouldn't even been in that position anyway. But again, they were able to survive. The clock ran out. It did feel like they were looking up at the clock, you know, just praying to God that it would hit zero and the game would be over and Vandy still had a little bit of fire in their belly and they were right there for the taking. But Arch Manning did, we did. Obviously this was the best game he's played, but do we believe that he's actually turned the corner, corner at this point? Joel, I'll go to you first.

[C]

Oh, no, I wouldn't say that he's turned the corner. This is another thing.

[A]

Why Sark said he turned the corner.

[C]

This is so. Again, this is another thing. I want to give myself some props. You know, Van can roll his eyes or whatever, but remember when I said earlier in the year that Texas was the most dangerous one loss team there Was you did. Because they had the most, they had the highest potential of getting back the highest potential. They have a, they have a ceiling, right. And you can start to see now the Arch is coming along now that they've, now that Parker. Livingstone. Livingstone, sorry, it's not.

[A]

I like Livingstone better now that we.

[C]

See that he's not going to be their number one receiver and it's actually going to be Ryan Wingo now that the offensive line has a little bit of time to jail and they still have a championship caliber defense. They still have a lot like of room to grow at this point. And so that's why I'm saying like Texas for at least for three and a half quarters today we saw that team and they still have a chance but the one thing that's going to kind of fuck with them and it's like eventually what is it? The, the immovable, the movable force versus the whatever. You know, what is that saying?

[B]

The unstoppable force meets the immovable object.

[C]

There you go. There you go. Thank you. At Georgia in two weeks, right? I mean so it's like somebody's got the. You know what I mean? Like, I mean it's going to be.

[A]

Obvious and that's the team that Arch was that finished number two in his race. Right. I mean it was Georgia versus Texas. So I mean there's another underlying story there where maybe Arch can send a message in that game.

[C]

We'll see. It's going to be, it's going to.

[B]

Be right now, right now you put. You think Texas is a more dangerous, a better team than Notre Dame.

[C]

Oh man. It's just they, they can't be you.

[B]

Just saying this is, this is my problem. You just. That's what you just said.

[C]

Okay? No, no, no.

[A]

And that was Van's answer to give everybody the, the background. Van said the most dangerous one loss team is a two loss Notre Dame.

[C]

If, if Texas, if, if Texas and Notre Dame had to play against each other. Fanduel probably put mixed Texas the favorite, right?

[B]

I don't think so.

[A]

Really?

[C]

No, I think, I think Texas would be the favorite, man.

[A]

Really?

[C]

When Texas the favorite against Vandy today? Vandy's number nine? Yeah, I mean yeah, they were the favorite over Vandy today.

[B]

I don't think so. But I will say this. When we said that there weren't as many Ole Miss scores when we said that there weren't as many one loss teams as there are now, there's a bunch of one loss teams now. You, you said the most dangerous One loss team is. Is. Is Texas. Is Texas more dangerous than Georgia? Is Texas more dangerous than Oregon? Is Texas more dangerous than Alabama? No, no, no. I win. Tate, next subject.

[A]

No, at the time, by the way, we thought Alabama. They weren't even in the conversation as the most dangerous one loss team. I think we did bring him up kind of as an afterthought, but right now that would probably be the right answer, right? Gotta be Alabama.

[B]

It has to be Alabama, right?

[A]

By far.

[C]

Yeah. I just think Texas has. They get. They have. They have the most room to grow. They've got the most talent.

[B]

Shout out to my dad, man. Shout out to my dad. So let me tell you what my dad told me one time. My dad was arguing with one of my uncles and. And my uncle said something, and my dad. My dad proved that he was wrong. My dad goes, son, you know what this is called right here? You know what your uncle got your Uncle Ray. So your uncle Ray is suffering from a case of momentum.

[C]

See, man?

[B]

And I was like, what is that? He was like, dickhead. Momentum is when you know you're wrong. You have to continue in the argument. Anyway, I'm right too far. Joel.

[A]

Joel is going to end this show this season with an Arch Manning jersey on. At this rate, he's going to have to defend Texas to the point that he is actually Texas. Texas fan.

[C]

Now, see, Tate, I would. See, I was trying to keep Van off of you on the Henderson. Now look what you did. Look what I was like, man, why you. Don't be calling. Don't be calling. Tape the essence, man. Now look at you, Tate.

[A]

I'm just saying, I think you got to defend Texas at this point to prove your point.

[C]

No, no, I'm just. I. I'm defending Texas because I'm sincere in my belief that I. That I think that they've got the most talent and they have the most opportunity. You remember Ohio State at this point last year, and even going into the playoffs, people were like, man, they've let everybody down. They're not as good. Everybody thinks they are. They're not as good as the sum of their parts. And then they put it together in the playoffs, right? And I think. I mean, I don't know. Like, do you think Arch and Will Howard, like, they're. About what? I don't.

[B]

What do you.

[C]

Who would you take if you had picked between Arch Manning and Will Howard?

[B]

Fucking Will Howard.

[C]

You sure?

[B]

Are you kidding me?

[C]

Yeah, man. I would not say. I don't know if I would take no Will Howard over Arch Manning, man, I really don't.

[B]

I mean, you think, ah, Joel, hold on. Ah, Joe, you're doing it. I'm not falling for no. Because this is what you like to do. See, Joe, you guys, Joel Howard's a winner like Joel Joe, he was a Kansas State. Joel is one of the people that can get me. Joe knows. Joe know damn well that he not about to compare Will Howard, who quarterbacked the team to a national championship to a guy that's had one and a half good games. Joe knows he can't do that. I mean, again, he knows he can't do that.

[C]

It's just funny because again, if the seat.

[B]

If.

[C]

If it had been like old times when they didn't have a playoffs, Will Howard and Ohio State would have ended last season. And people have been like, what a tremendous disappointment. They're not going to make it to the playoffs. They're not going to, you know, whatever. They would.

[D]

All.

[C]

The whole narrative about Ohio State and Will Howard last season and how successful they are would have been totally different if. If that season had happened in any year other than last year. Okay? And so that's what I'm saying.

[A]

Like, the last thing we would remember was Jack Sawyer with, you know, trying.

[C]

To find Michigan embarrassing themselves. I'm saying Arch Manning has been getting better every game. The offensive line is coming. They're coming together. Today is like where you could see the things that people said the Texas might end up being now again, they gave up the ghost at the end. And that's what makes.

[A]

This is Brian Curtis's favorite episode.

[B]

Hey, bro, let me tell you, Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something right now. If Joe Jackson wouldn't have made his kids singing dance, Michael Jackson would have been the weirdest. Vice Lord and Gary, Indiana. All right, so, so it's, it's. It's.

[A]

Shout out to Gary.

[B]

Shout out to Gary, man.

[C]

Shout out to Gary, Indiana.

[B]

Shout out to Gary. If y' all ever been to Gary. Shout out to Gary. Don't around my sister.

[C]

My sister's from Gary, man.

[B]

Like, what I'm telling you is Jolton everywhere it happened. Yes.

[C]

Right next to Hammond. They got Hammond, Indiana. Got a really good Mexican restaurant, man. Nothing pretty good Hammond. You've been to Hammond?

[A]

I just love it. I love Joel. You have a. You have a touch point in every city we name. It's so good.

[C]

Love Hammond, man. I support that.

[B]

Look at, look at the ghost of Shane Beamer out on the field. Still coaching. Go for it.

[A]

Yeah. Happy Halloween.

[C]

Tennessee looks amazing, man. I feel like I've got to get to a game in England Stadium someday, man. I got to get to Knoxville because look at, I mean, this stadium is amazing. That whole scene, I don't know when they started realizing they could turn off the lights in the night game and had a little shit going on. The little lights.

[B]

I like the light show and all of the Leds.

[A]

They got the black uniforms on.

[C]

It's nice.

[A]

It's nice. It's a good look. You brought up Will Howard, which leads me to my one big question because we need to talk about this team and I feel like a lot of people that had YouTube TV watch this game because they couldn't watch the ESPN property. So the question is simple. Is Jeremiah Smith the best player in college football right now? Today he had another incredible game. Six catches, 123 yards, two touchdowns. Carnell Tate was also great in this game as well. But the one handed catch that he had in this game, I mean, I know it was against a very lifeless Penn State team, but he's had some incredible moments. And I do feel like we're not talking enough about Jeremiah Smith. Van, do you believe he's the best player in college football?

[B]

Football? I think he's certainly the most talented. I think he has a combination of physical gifts that put him in the top 1% of prospects that I've seen. Right. It's just, it's nuts. Right? It's like, it's like they took all of the past Ohio State wide receivers, particularly of the last five years. The Phil, the physicality of, of, of Harrison, you know, the, the twitchiness of Olave and some of these other guys and they put them all into one guy. And that guy is Jeremiah Smith. Right? So it's, it's, it's, he, he's, he's, he's a freak. He's a freak.

[A]

A mecca.

[C]

Buca, Buckle, Jackson, Smith and Jigba.

[B]

All of the, that all of the.

[A]

So many good receivers.

[B]

They got their treasure trove of, of names that they've had there. All of the names that they've had.

[A]

And they got Chris Henry Jr. Coming, right?

[C]

He had two touchdowns against the number one ranked team in the country this last night.

[B]

They took all of those guys and him into one guy and that seems to be Jeremiah Smith. Like he's the culmination of all the athletic talent that has been around there, the wide receiver talent that they've had. Yeah, I, I, I think that the bigger question to me, not the bigger question, the Bigger story is Ohio State and what they are doing. And the fact that because of some happenings in the Big Ten, Ohio State essentially gets, and this is not a diss, but they essentially get live scrimmages every Saturday to figure out probably is it's not a diss, but I'm telling.

[A]

You, no, it's real.

[B]

But listen, though, Ohio State came into the season right, and they're a team with talent everywhere, but they're working on a brand new quarterback. And normally if they had like a real meat grinder of, of an early schedule, then what would have happened is you might have put that quarterback in some really high leverage situation that might have slowed the development. Maybe the team gets nicked up, has a couple of losses, you're doing some different things, but that hasn't happened. What's happened is some of the teams that we thought were going to be real tests for Ohio State have not been tests. And so every single week they come back and they open up the playbook a little bit more, they trust guys a little bit more, they test things a little bit more. And they're doing all of this against teams that I'm not acting like when I say live scrimmage, I mean, they just haven't been on the field with the team that can really push them. And that's helping them, that's helping them find a team identity, that's helping saying grow as a quarterback. And when it comes time for playoff time, I think you're going to see not just a dominant defense, but a complete, dominant team that's going to be playing as good as they could possibly play. And it's happening every single week. Now, of course, it would be great if they could be tested because you gotta dig deep a little bit, but they're just putting more trust in their guys because really they, every time they go out, it's a game that they should really win.

[C]

Yeah, man. I mean, you know, the good thing about it, man, is like you said, they get, they're getting to develop depth. You know, they're getting to get all these young guys and all that. You know, they're getting all these reps. They're gonna, they're gonna have a lot of guys and figure out, okay, maybe you need to be flipped over the right guard instead of left guard. Maybe you play, you know, maybe you're not a good slot corner, like, maybe we should move you on outside stuff like that. They're getting to figure all that out. I try not to get too cute about Ohio State because I don't want to pretend like I've been watching them because that much because like, like Van.

[A]

Said, I watch them the most I have today because of the YouTube TV situation. So I basically watched that whole game. So I. I came away very impressed with Jeremiah Smith.

[C]

I see them on like the key plays, like at the YouTube TV again. Again. You know, TV again.

[A]

Come on.

[C]

Yeah, that's mostly how I see him because, right. You look at that game and it's like, well, man, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna put them in one of my four boxes on the. On the multi view. But yeah, I mean, to your point, I think he's probably, you know, I think he probably. Jeremiah Smith is probably the best player. But I want to. I just want to say Colin Simmons, man, that dude really. That's a bad man.

[B]

That. That crazy, bro.

[C]

I'm going to say something that's crazy in Lawrence. You can correct me. Y' all have never had it. Y' all have never had a dynamic in talent like that past rushing talent like that in my lifetime. Who is it? Is it Tony Brackens? It's not Sergio Kendall. It's not, you know, Brian Arakpo. I like. He's better than them.

[B]

Brian Arakpo was a dog.

[A]

I was gonna say is probably the best answer, right?

[B]

Dog.

[C]

Oh, yeah, no doubt, no doubt. But he ain't with Colin Simmons is. Colin Simmons is like, oh, okay. You know, like with. I don't remember Andre Wadsworth. Y' all remember when Andre Wadsworth was in college, man, and he was like that. He was like one of the first, like, defensive end. Well, maybe like Courtney Brown. I'm trying to know which one it was. One of them kind of guys. I was just like, God damn, man. Like, that guy's actually different. Texas has never had that guy, and now they do. Oh, okay. So I just want.

[B]

I want, I want. I want to read some stuff off real quick. This is just like. This is Brian Oracpo, so. Bronco Nagursky Trophy, Ted Hendricks Award. Lombardi Award, Bill Willis Trophy. Unanimous all American. Big 12 defensive player of the year. Big 12 defensive lineman of the year. Big 12 defensive freshman of the year. First team all Big Ten. I don't know, Joel.

[C]

Where was he? Where was he? He was the 13th overall pick.

[B]

Yeah, man. Four time. Four time Pro Bowler.

[C]

I know Iraq poll was cold, but I'm just like. I feel like Colin Simmons is like a top three, like just a. Like a guy.

[A]

You're just saying the archetype of college.

[B]

That you feel like I was just giving you the bullshit. Because when I looked at it, I'm like. I didn't even realize a rack pole.

[A]

I didn't know rack was really doing.

[C]

That's. That's what I gave him, that commercial.

[B]

No, I do remember him. Hold on. I remember him being a freak dog. Like, a freaky dog, right?

[C]

Do you know who he fucked up? Trent Williams in college, man. Like, he. When he went up against Trent Williams and gave Trent Williams hell when they played against. Oh, you.

[B]

How many career sacks do y' all think? Brian Arakpo.

[C]

That 72, 66.

[A]

Really?

[B]

It's a good career.

[A]

I was gonna say 58.

[B]

Man.

[C]

That was really good.

[B]

This is a good career. He ran a 4,240 yard dash at the combine.

[C]

What?

[A]

Brandon Y like Chris Johnson?

[C]

Really? What you looking at, man?

[B]

I'm looking at a four. He ran a four two. I'm looking at it right now. He ran the four two seven.

[C]

I'm on his Wikipedia page. It says his 39.5-inch vertical jump was second for all defensive linemen. And he showed his speed acceleration while running, while recording a 4.63 40 yard dash.

[B]

Oh, I read it.

[C]

That ain't run no 427.

[B]

I read it wrong. I read the number wrong.

[C]

What?

[B]

I read a number wrong. Damn right I read it wrong. I'm looking at it right now. But hey, bro, but you know what else? I like 25 on the Wonderlic, so stop acting like we can't.

[C]

I mean, he's. I think you know what had the.

[B]

Highest Wonderlic score of us three, man, you know.

[C]

No, hold on, Van, real quick, real quick.

[B]

What are you gonna say?

[C]

He's from Nigeria. His parents are immigrants from Nigeria. You know how, like, Texas got that acho Arakpo archetype where they be having. You know what I'm saying? How them Africans, man, they'd be. They'd be about. I mean, black people. Don't get me twisted.

[B]

Nothing wrong with us.

[C]

Racism wouldn't solve another wrong. Black people, the carrying racism. I'm just saying. But, you know, it's just you giving him that. I'm just like. It's just like. I think that kind of. That Joel, you know, presentable.

[B]

I said that Brian Arachbo had a high Wonderlic score.

[C]

Why are you supposed to use Charles Murray?

[B]

Because that. He's Nigerian, Joel. If Tate had said that that would be the essence.

[A]

I would be over.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

It'Ll be over. It'd be a rap but brother Acto, shout out to him. He's a great player. And I will say, just bringing up Colin Simmons, like back to the Ohio State of it all, I mean, that Texas win is now aging well. At first it felt like that Texas win was not going to age well for Ohio State, but it's definitely aging well at this point. And I will point out Heisman odds right now, courtesy of FanDuel. Julian saying is the favorite plus 200 to win the Heisman. Do we think that's right? Because I feel like if I have to give it to somebody, it's someone on the defense or it's Jeremiah Smith. But it, it does feel like Julian Saying is getting all the buzz right now. Maybe it's just a quarterback award.

[C]

Is that Big Daddy Simpson? He's not. Where's he. Where is he yet?

[A]

He is third right now.

[C]

Third?

[A]

Really?

[B]

What happened?

[A]

Mendoza second?

[B]

Yeah, Mendoza definitely deserves to be second.

[C]

Man, it's just crazy because once again, Mendoza is just. I mean, I, I, you know, I guess like they had to win against Oregon and, and that's really cool, but it's just like you haven't. I don't know. There hasn't been a lot of friction in that season so far.

[A]

But if you go to heisman.com they have like the, the fan ratings, right. Or rankings. So you can vote. And the, the fans have number one, Marcel Reed. Number two, Haynes King. That's what the fans are saying.

[C]

Haynes King's. King.

[A]

Number two.

[C]

People.

[B]

Some people are saying that Haynes King might not have the gaudy enough passing numbers to kind of, to kind of get there at the end. But like, he, he's having a fantastic season. I feel like seven.

[A]

Seven right now. NC State, Georgia Tech.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Georgia Tech just scored. Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

By the way, I'll have you know something that I'm looking at the highest Wonderlic scores in, in history.

[A]

Ryan's Fitzpatrick, right?

[B]

Ryan Fitzpatrick has a 48. Pat McNally, Mick and McInally, whatever his name is. He had a 50. He got a 50.

[C]

Whoa.

[B]

Right here at 48. At 48.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Benjamin Watson.

[A]

Oh, tight end.

[C]

Oh, that's your, that's your new favorite follow.

[B]

That's one of my favorite follows. Benjamin Watson.

[A]

I do like Ben Watson. Good player.

[B]

Virginia. I like Benjamin Watson. He is one of the good conservative type brothers out there. That isn't doing. I'm not gonna get into politics. But he, he's like, I like Ben Watson, but here you are right now saying his name is not in any way. Oh, Stop bringing that up.

[C]

We must move on.

[A]

Well, and then he transferred to Georgia.

[C]

Why are we still talking about the IQ test, man? Okay, well, look, we don't even have to do an IQ test. What was your SAT score?

[A]

14.

[B]

You don't want to with me on that. Okay. You don't want to with me. I was like, that test. I was the man.

[C]

Okay, I was.

[B]

I was the man on that. Some of the other. No, but that test. I mean, people. People got better. But you got 1490, though. Tape.

[A]

Yeah, but that was the thing. Yeah.

[C]

Oh, wait, so you went out of three. So with the writing.

[A]

With the writing, yeah. Or, sorry, 1490 regular. And then with the writing, it was like, oh, okay.

[C]

Yeah. I was like, damn, man, you barely would have been eligible. That's really good, man.

[A]

I mean, I. I. There were. There were, like, four people in my class that got better than me, so it's all good.

[C]

What we gonna do if.

[B]

What's happening right here, guys?

[C]

If.

[B]

If.

[C]

Did you beat 1490 fan?

[B]

I did not be 1490.

[C]

Wow. We had.

[B]

We had two guys at our school that beat. Beat that score. It was Steven Zuber and Gary Lee, who Both got double 16. They got 1600s on the SAT. Two guys.

[A]

Yeah, we had. We had a 1530 in our class.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

But they went with Steven Zuber, though. Hold on for a second. I didn't say 1530. I said 1600.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

They weren't. Those. They weren't no Steven Zuber. There was no Gary Lee. I'm repping for my people at McKinley High School. But no, that's. That's. That's. That's important, Tate. Good. I guess.

[C]

Why did you go. Why did you go to North Carolina? I don't. You know, I mean, you had a great score. Not the North Carolina. It's one of the best public institutions in the country. Is instigating, man.

[B]

Stop.

[C]

Hey.

[B]

Hey.

[C]

You know, I always try to put.

[A]

That I applied to Northwestern. Like, I really want to go to.

[B]

That type of school.

[A]

That was my.

[B]

You could have gone to any school. What drew you specifically to North Carolina? Was there a specific family?

[A]

I wanted to be. I wanted to be at North Carolina for North Carolina basketball, but I really want to go to Georgia. Georgia was my number one school. I wanted to go to Georgia, go to the journalism school, go to a football school. My family had to talk me out of it. They were like, you're not going to Georgia.

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[A]

I went to Sanford Stadium for the first time. I was like, I'm going to Georgia.

[C]

So wait, what happened? Why didn't you go to Georgia?

[A]

Because of my. I mean, honestly, how much it costs? You know what I mean? I got a scholarship, you know.

[C]

Okay, all right, well, you got family legacy.

[B]

There you go. That's right.

[C]

Okay, nice to meet you, too.

[A]

Shout out to my mom.

[C]

Come on, Ms. Fraser. Come back, man. Don't. Don't be like that. Don't be like that.

[A]

Oh, man.

[B]

Tennessee OU game seven. Nothing. A lot of games on right now. Ole Miss is in a game, a competitive game right now with South Carolina.

[C]

I like how, I like how Tate, man, anytime we start talking that about North Carolina, he's like, he got to bring old Miss up. He was like, man, Ole Miss, it's funny, man, because you're right. I mean, ole missing on that. You know what I'm saying? I get it.

[B]

I get it.

[C]

I get it. Of these games.

[B]

Of these games. That's that's in the late slate. South Carolina, Ole Miss, Purdue, Michigan. Another interesting game. Georgia Tech, NC State, Oklahoma, Tennessee. All of these are intriguing games. Which one is the most important to you guys for how things are going to shake out? Is it Ole Miss trying to stave off that second loss or like Georgia Tech?

[A]

NC State has my attention because Georgia Tech has to keep it together for the acc.

[C]

Wait, hold on.

[A]

Locked in on that game.

[C]

Oklahoma, Tennessee is a playoff elimination game. Yeah, I mean, whoever loses, I mean, it's loser go home, basically.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Oklahoma loses for sure. It's a wrap, man.

[C]

Oklahoma's not look good, man. I mean, it's. Again, I. I don't like to talk about it in this way, but I saw people talking about, man, Brent Venables, man, I don't know if he's gonna make it, you know, if they. If because they. I mean, Oklahoma has a hard end of the year, man, that their schedule is actually.

[A]

They still got Alabama coming up.

[C]

Yeah, bro. Like, they got a lot ahead of them, man. So it's unlikely, given the losses they've already taken, that they were going to win out anyway. This might be. Well, the easiest game will probably be LSU at the end of the year, but I mean, man, they've got Tennessee, Alabama and Missouri. Yeah, well, you know, I mean, that's. That's.

[B]

All right. Let's just talk about it now. Let's just talk about.

[C]

Can we talk about ranked team on their schedule?

[B]

Let's just talk about it now. Okay. Let me put it to y' all like this. I have a feeling that you're going to see a different LSU team in the next couple of weeks. I'm not saying that they are not. There's not another loss in there. Not saying that at all. But I'm saying right now is when I saw Frank Wilson up there talking about the team, it seems like the team is committed and focused and I think you're going to see good football being played. We'll see whether or not that materializes and wins. I will say this, though, and this is very serious. And sometimes I tend to get serious when I'm talking about lsu. And I like this. I don't. I don't like coming across preachy or dogmatic or anything like that. What's happening right now in lsu, excuse me, in Louisiana, as far as the co. The search for a head coach goes is such a slap in the face to the LSU football fans. The disarray, the disorganization, the politics, the cronyism. The factions that have arisen is since the firing of Les Miles and less Miles since the firing of Brian Kelly. I guess you could say since the firing.

[A]

I was going to say maybe since.

[B]

Last Miles, since the firing of Brian Kelly and Joe Sloan has been legitimately the worst parts of things happening in Louisiana. The worst parts of it. It hearkens back to a time where political forces, semi corrupt political forces or political forces that were operating with their own agendas completely skirted over the will and the want and the need of the fan base to connect with their team and just are doing whatever it is that they want to do. The way that the governor has inserted himself into this and use this as a political platform in some way to stand out and to launch him into being something that he's not right now, which is a national political figure that people talk about.

[A]

He was on Pat McAfee. Van.

[B]

All the while, people are wondering, what is it going to take to get a good candidate to come down there and change LSU football? We are looking for love and fun. It's so indicative of what's happening right now. We're looking for love, fun, culture and connection. That's what we're looking for when we're rooting for LSU football. And what we're getting are politics, games and a bunch of messages. The governor needs to get out of this. Stop. Stop running away clients and people that might want to take this job and let the people that make football decisions make football decisions. It's difficult. I know this is difficult. The AD is out. We don't have a president. All of that stuff is going on. But this is not a game. This is something that could ruin Brian Landry. Excuse me. This could ruin. I keep saying the wrong names. This could ruin Landry. Not just as the governor of Louisiana. This could ruin Landry in the state. Could ruin him in the state. I've never seen a more breathtaking political miscalculation than him thinking that he was going to get in the middle of this and it some way was going to work out for him, it has annoyed everyone. There were football coaches hitting my line going, you have no idea how much harder the governor just made it for LSU to find a worthy candidate to come in and coach the team.

[A]

You think that's because. I mean, obviously just him inserting himself, but then to him calling out Jimmy Sexton, caa, Like calling out these. Yeah. I mean, it's crazy.

[B]

Like, what the hell is going on? Calling out Jimmy Sexton. If you guys don't know who Jimmy Sexton is. I'm not sure why you will be watching the show, but if you're. If you don't know who Jimmy Sexton is, he is the central coaching power broker in the entire infrastructure of college football. Has so many different coaches, so many different clients.

[C]

I mean, he had saved him, saving.

[B]

All of these guys. It's almost to the point to where if Jimmy Sexton didn't want your program to get a good coach, it would be hard for you to get one. It'll be very difficult for you to get one. And the governor comes out and takes this guy on. He looked like a cute little baby rabbit who didn't know what the he was doing. My phone was blowing up. People were so upset and so mad. Landry, move back to the shadows, man. You know, Move back to the shadows. Like, go do what. What you always do. Make the black people of Louisiana's lives harder. Go do that stuff that you're damn. But, like, move away. Football is not your thing, baby. Football is not your thing.

[C]

Maybe you need him to lift this fuck up so, you know, things can improve. You know, maybe his popularity rating would go down and everything. Maybe you need. Maybe you need him involved. But here's the thing, and I'll just say this. Do you really think. I don't know. And we. We talked about it on the last show. Wayne Kiffin, I think. I mean, we don't. We. I don't have any inside source on this, but like, he seems like more of a Florida guy and like, like he would want to follow in the example of Spur or he would stay home at Ole Miss. So, like, let's say you don't get Lane Kiffin, and that probably was unlikely anyway. Do you really think somebody that really wants to be at LSU and thinks it can be something would stay away? Because I feel like they would have to think, man, by June, this guy's not even going to be thinking about this no more. He's going to be out of this. He's going to be out of the mix. There'll be a new sport, you know, there'll be a new athletic director. Although, like, I mean, I think firing Scott Woodward, man, I mean, maybe he did not get it right with Brian Kelly, even though I think it was an inspired hire. But I mean, man, he the baseball coach, the women's basketball coach.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. What were, by the way, just to let you guys know. What will one of us.

[C]

Yeah, man.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

He's from there Catholic, right?

[B]

From there Catholic high school.

[A]

He might run for governor.

[B]

Like what would what was one of us say Whatever you want about Woodward. And not everybody has going reviews of him, but he has won at lsu. Now football needs to get to a situation where we can be dominant. But we have had national championships and women's basketball. We've seen lsu, the product of lsu. We've seen the LSU athlete take on a different like name of its own. Think about the LSU athletes, the people that have come out of LSU in the last three or four years. Think about Livy Dunn schemes. Think about Angel Reese. Think about the at the flage. Think about the neighbors. Neighbors Jaden Daniels. Think about what LSU sports means in the national sports deal. All of that is part of a movement. They're documentaries that have come out. There's ways. There's pr there's ways that you cover things. All of that is part of an intelligentsia to make us a national brand. And what was been a part of that. Yeah. Like Jeff Landry right now is the Jordan Hudson LSU sports he is they.

[C]

About the same size somebody that literally.

[B]

Is getting in the way that is going look at me, look at me, look at me. And trying to control things behind the scenes and really not doing anything but making a whole bunch of noise. And just like her, he probably needs to take a step back. That's all I'm saying.

[A]

I think Van created, you know, like when someone would be really good at something, someone that could draw well, you'd be like he's the Michael Jordan of drawing or the Michael Jordan of whatever. Now you just created when someone's terrible at something, they're the Jordan Hudson of whatever they're doing.

[C]

So disruptive force and off field. Disruptive force. Yeah.

[B]

All field disruptive force. That's what he is. Stop disrupting. We need this hire to go right, man. Jeff Landry like we need this hire to go right. And by the way, everybody that they've.

[A]

Named for the job Summer all did not look good. Yeah.

[B]

Stub their toe in a major way.

[C]

They got their ass beat in San Antonio, man.

[A]

And kind of acted a little bit like someone that wasn't ready for the pressure of the LSU job after the game. You know, like there was a lot of finger pointing going on. So like some raw did not sell himself very well if he's the.

[B]

The.

[A]

The guy in state right now from Tulane to go down there. So like that wasn't a good thing. So like I mean who is they? They said the LSU interim ad has quote unquote full authority on the football hire but like, who. Who is the.

[C]

Not about to get.

[A]

Who's the call? Who do they call first, man? I mean, obviously, okay, call everybody.

[B]

Call everybody. You've heard the Nick Saban rumors. Nobody knows if the Nick Saban stuff is true. There was a rumor. I don't know if you guys heard the rumor. The rumor is that they offered Nick Saban, I think like 14, like 15 or $20 million a year for three years, come in there, be the coach, and then he's gonna go and choose his successor after that. That's been floating around. Nobody knows if, if that's true. That sounds like. Just to let you know it does. It did. That sounds like a bunch of horses.

[A]

They said he was gonna have $30 million for the roster. Anytime I hear like any of that stuff, I'm like, that sounds like.

[B]

Right. That sounds like, once again, as far as the hire is concerned, I mean, you're starting to see Kelvin Shepard really start to move people. And people are starting to wonder if that is the way that you go.

[A]

He said he was a liger. He said he was a tiger and a lion and one. It was a great press conference. He said he bleeds lsu. He keeps up with every game. I thought Shepard really sold himself. I mean, I know that wasn't the angle, but it was, it got me a little bit. I was like, he might be the guy.

[B]

After I watch that, it completely changed the way I looked at him as a candidate for the job. And if you hear from people inside the building, sometimes when I say inside the building, the building here is LSU culture. If you hear from people that play with him, people that know him, people that have been around him, people that have watched his career, they speak so highly of him. It would not be the worst, worst hire in the world to hire him. But I'll tell you something, it's a fucking high leverage hire. Because if it doesn't go right, if it doesn't go right, there are so many things that are wrapped up in that hire. There is a. Just to let you guys know, there is a social and a racial component to a black coach struggling as the full time coach of lsu. Obviously, we've seen Brad Davis coach team. Frank Wilson is the coach of the team now. We've seen interim, we've seen guys coach, but if a black coach were to go to lsu and the, the, I want to say leash now, but the, the leeway that he would have from a large portion of the fan base would be much, much, much different than some of these other Guys. So it would be a high leverage. Higher for a lot of reasons. And not all those reasons are fair.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, I just, yeah. You know, I mean, again, I, I, I, I root for the brothers. I want them to get the opportunity. I want them to have opportunities for, for jobs like this. Like, I get tired of them getting the UAB's or the FA use. Right. The jobs that are very difficult where they don't have a lot of resources and they just kind of got to make something, make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

[A]

Even like a Fran Brown in Syracuse. Right?

[C]

Yeah. Right.

[B]

I mean, Brown, great coach.

[C]

Great coach. And that's a very difficult job. I just, man, that the way, the way the politics are this country right now, and a black coach going down there and struggling, would he get the support? Would he get all the same infrastructure and all that? I don't, I don't know. That seems like that'd be really tough. But, you know, I mean, you know, anybody who gets offered that job, you really got to take a serious look at it. You got to take you, I mean, even like Lane Kiffin, I'm sure they're doing their due diligence or whatever, because again, everybody understands why LSU is such a coveted job, then you're not going to lack for anything in terms of resources for, you know, support, any of that other thing. And you've got like, as good of a talent recruiting base as anywhere in the country. So it's a job that a lot, as we've seen, people can succeed in it despite not being great coaches. Right. Like, you don't have to be a great coach to win there. So, you know, last thing I'll say.

[B]

About Kelvin Shepard, there's one thing to note about him. He is somebody that since he is left the NFL and started his career, his career has done nothing but go this way. He hasn't had the snafu where you've given him an extra title and extra responsibility, extra duty. And then you found out that he can't handle it. You found out that he can't do it. He was the director of player personnel at lsu. It wasn't like he, it was something that he did a shitty job at. He was hired as the outside linebackers coach and he eventually is promoted to the defensive coordinator up there in Detroit. So he, he's a guy that continuously impresses people and is able to become a valuable part of any organization or any culture, any structure that's, that's that he's inside. And that means a lot because he would be a coach, a brand new head coach at a really, really, really coveted job, and he'd have some bumps and bruises and he would have to grow. So knowing that he's just always leveled up wherever he's been, I'm not saying he's the guy for the job, but I'm saying that, like, he does have some momentum right now that I don't think a lot of people expected him to have at this point in the search.

[C]

Good. Dan Campbell, man, promoting the brothers, man, he really has been a ally in that way. Man, you just wouldn't, you know, a guy with that makeup from Texas A and M, you know, Dan Campbell, if.

[A]

You watch Hard Knocks, I mean, he had that great moment with Malcolm Rodriguez. Like, if you wanted to see, like, an example of Kelvin Shepard kind of running a room that he's coaching, that linebacker's room, he had Malcolm Rodriguez, who at the time was a rookie. Rookie. And he's just playing his tape. And it was like this great motivational moment where he's like, he's out playing all you guys, like, and he's like, I apologize to put this rookie on the spotlight, but, like, you know, if I have to play him, I'll play him. You know what I mean? They're like, oh, like, you know.

[B]

You like that? Tell you like that?

[A]

I thought it was.

[B]

With that.

[C]

Okay, that's good. Yeah.

[A]

I like Calvin Shepard.

[B]

I like Kelvin Shepard, too.

[C]

I like him.

[B]

But beyond that, you're just gonna hear the same names. You're gonna hear the same names. You're gonna hear all of this stuff that's going on, but just. We just want what we. We want something that we don't get in Louisiana often. Can we just. Just be normal? Let's just. I mean, let's just be normal, man. Let's just have a coaching search where y' all go out there and you get the coach and you do the whole thing just like, you know, is. Is. We don't need President Trump involved in the search. We don't need Mike Johnson and Steve Bannon for forming an exploratory committee.

[C]

Right?

[B]

We don't need none of that. We don't need y' all to call up Nick Fuentes and see who he want. We don't need y' all to go get, like. We don't need none of them people. Nobody involved in the search like that. All right? We don't care what Stephen Miller think about LSU football. None of that.

[A]

Don't do Guy.

[B]

We don't care what Duke. See, look at you. You've been throwing shade. We don't care about none of that. We want it to be normal, man. Can we just get one thing normal one day? Normal, man.

[A]

I'm with it. I'm. I'm also fascinated that, like, Florida, obviously they had their eyes set on Lane Kiffin, but it does feel like Penn State, Florida, lsu. Nobody like you could. You could spend a hundred different webs as to where those searches will go. Right? I mean, nobody really knows. Like, even Joel Clapp today during the Penn State, Ohio State game, that I watched the entire game, they asked him about Penn State and he's like, I don't know who the guy is.

[C]

You know, I mean, and it does feel like nobody knows their top two candidates. I mean, the ones when, you know, when they fired James Franklin, which is just sort of weird because I would not imagine that you would fire James Franklin Franklin unless you had a bead on a couple of guys. But as soon as they fight Jay Franklin, Signetti signs his extension and then Rule signs his extension. And that. I think that's kind of.

[B]

That was. That was it. That was the one.

[A]

Yeah. I will point out Matt Rules signed an extension with Baylor before he took the Panthers job about a month before. Just, you know. Yeah, some of that stuff is a little pr.

[C]

That's true, that's true. But I just kind of feel like if in college, there's just no need, you know, there's no need to do that. There's just, you know, he could.

[B]

He could.

[C]

They could have held off.

[A]

Brett Lashley just signed an extension with SMU, now one of the top 10 highest paid coaches in college football, then follows it up with a win over number 10, Miami. So that was a good look for SMU, but yeah, it is fascinating. None of those jobs are really okay. There's not a guy.

[C]

The good thing about it, though is like, for schools like Arkansas, Virginia Tech, they'll be able to hire because there's not going to be a lot of pressure on them to hire the big name guy. Like all these, you know, the Penn states and the LSU's, they've got to impress people like they, they want to win the press conference, and that allows somebody like Arkansas to come in and get, you know, get somebody that may not have the profile of the, you.

[A]

Know, the Tech with James Franklin.

[C]

Absolutely, absolutely. Give them a chance to get who they really, really want and, you know, build from there.

[B]

Arkansas just. Just hire Bobby Petrino now.

[A]

Yeah, I agree.

[C]

Did they. Did they beat Mississippi State they were. I felt like Mississippi State came back on them. I thought Arkansas had them, and then all of a sudden.

[B]

Did you guys see what just happened to Aguilar?

[E]

No.

[A]

Did he get hurt?

[B]

Got punished.

[C]

Really?

[B]

On that ass. I don't think he's hurt, though.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Like, I'm looking at this commercial right now.

[C]

This sucks, man. It's like I gotta. I gotta turn all the way back to the goddamn.

[A]

I know. That's my problem. I'm like. I got too many screens going on. You got the World Series going on as well. There's a lot happening right now. Some quick hitters I wanted to run by. You guys should. Just pointing out some. Some stories of the day. West Virginia signature win for Rich rod. Beat number 22, Houston.

[C]

As soon as I talk to Willie Fritz.

[A]

Soon as I talked about as an option for lsu. And then he follows it up with the loss to Rich Rodriguez. But a nice win for West Virginia. 45, 35 in that game. Any thoughts? Is there anything to take away from that, Joel? Do you think Willie Fritz is getting hit up and maybe that's why his eye wasn't on the prize?

[C]

Nah, I just think Houston does not have a lot of talent. Like they've. You know, things have gone about as well as that team could with this roster this year. Like, they're at the top of it, and there's just not a lot of variance between the teams in the Big 12. Like, West Virginia is not good, but they can beat you. Right.

[A]

And Pitt looks good in the acc.

[C]

Yeah. So, I mean, you know, it actually does not surprise me that much that they went out there and lost that game. But, yeah, I mean, you know, isn't the most likely.

[B]

Oh, yeah, boy. Aguilar. What? Yeah, I mean, I'm just looking. He fumbled, and it's a. It's a. It's a. El scoopo. And now we're going. We're going to the house. Scoopo. Isn't it. Isn't the most likely. Isn't it the most likely explanation? The whole Willie Fritz thing is that Willie Fritz is a punk. You thought. You thought he was a G. You thought he was a G. Okay.

[C]

You're going after Willie Fritz to go after.

[B]

Isn't that the most likely thing? Is that Willie Smith just a. He's just a pan. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

He's taking shots. I do want to bring this up to you guys because he's a name that was thrown out there for Penn State. I saw Urban Meyer has said this is To Kellyanne Stitz. Shout out to Kellyanne for getting the scoop. He said, quote, unquote, I have. I don't have a desire to get back into coaching, end quote. Does this make you believe he has more interest than he may be letting on, or do you think Urban Meyer is actually done? Joe, I'll go to you first. Do you believe Urban Meyer?

[C]

I don't think he has anything else left to prove. I also think, I don't think he'll. If it'll be really hard for one of those schools to hire him right now just because, you know, just. I don't think he wants to be in that. Yeah, I just don't think he wants to have that kind of scrutiny anymore. You know, clearly he likes to do some in his off time, you know, give me at the bar or whatever. I don't think. I think he likes that, man. That, that TV life is a good life, man.

[A]

They get to go thing with him and Saban. It's hard to get these guys. They're getting paid millions of dollars to go on there and just be like, like, you know what? I like Oklahoma this week.

[C]

You get good money. I mean, already, already coaches that have been in that, man, they look at, they look at the lay of the land and I'm happy that the kids get paid, but they're looking at that. They're like, man, I gotta deal with this nil shit. I gotta deal with the house stuff. The conferences are that much more stacked. It'll be harder to win. I don't want to go through all that. I can make my high, you know, low seven figures on TV and travel and be off the rest of the year and not have to worry about these stupid ass boys. Yeah, I can't imagine Urban Meyer wants to get back in the middle of that no more, man.

[B]

You know what? So when you look at some of the other stuff that's going on in coaching and all of that, we talk about Urban Meyer and who he is as a person and all of that, like getting further away from it. I'm gonna actually agree with Joel for a second that Urban Meyer stuff seems a little quaint compared to some of the other things that we talk about in college football. Yeah, Urban Meyer likes to go to the bar. He likes to find a younger lady and show her the spread offense. But that is not. When you look at some of the other stuff that has gone on, not that bad.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It'S nothing crazy like, you know what I'm saying? He's not. Yeah, it's not like he the best guy in the world. There was the whole circle of trusting at Florida and maybe they had the toxic locker room culture. It's a long time ago. A lot of the stuff that these coaches are being accused of, it's not like he's created or committed, should I say some of the cardinal sins of coaching is it. Can you make the argument that sometimes with different teams that maybe Urban Meyer's heart wasn't quite as in it as it should have been? Yeah, of course. But the reality is that when he is dialed in as a coach, he is on the Saban dabo level. Without a doubt, he was a thorn in the side of Nick Saban. So the, the reality is if he does in fact want to coach, I think he'll have opportunities to do it. Him showing up at Penn State would be an abject nightmare for the rest of the big team.

[A]

Yeah, that would scare people.

[B]

If he is even 80% as good as he used to be. Oh, the game hasn't passed them by.

[C]

You would not be hurt if he went to like, if LSU was like it, man, let's just go ahead and bring Urban there. You would be, you'd be, you'd be hyped about.

[A]

I mean, Florida fans would talk themselves into it. I mean, I think anybody, if they got Urban Meyer, they would spin it same way with Bill Belichick. It's like, yeah, you know, you can spin it the right way until you see the football team.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

No, no, no. I'm just saying for me it will be tough. It will be tough for LSU right now just because, you know, we're coming off of a coach that everybody hated and getting another coach that maybe people have like down feelings about might feel a little icky. But I will be into it. Yeah.

[C]

I told you, dog. I told you. I told you.

[A]

I got another. I got one other name that's a big name I want to throw out and get your guys thoughts on him. Not hard brials. Duke B, Clemson, first five lost seasons since 2010. Dabo Sweeney said, if they're tired of winning, I will go somewhere else and win. If, if you are, let's say an Auburn, if you're a team that's kind of like, you know, an Arkansas that might get some Tyson chicken money. Do you take a swing at Dabo Sweeney and you say he might be a little unhappy at Clemson, Maybe we go and you know, offer him the big money. Do you think that's possible, Joel?

[C]

You're shaking your head absolutely not. I mean, he's. I mean, look, he has a very winnable conference right now. Like, he's not in the SEC at this moment. He's in the acc, Georgia Tech and Virginia on top. He has everything he needs. He's got. He's got more resources than pretty much anybody else in that conference. And he's not shown thus far that he's adjusted well to this new era of football. Right? Like, he's just not. Like the nil stuff has just not come through the trend. He hasn't really used the portal like a lot of other coaches. He did a little bit more. He took some more transfers this year, but not like that. And then you could make the argument that, I mean, again, in terms of development, man, the Clay decade club Nick get better. Like, he doesn't have. He. He hasn't had like a special running back in the last couple years, I guess. Will Shipley.

[A]

Also. His number one NFL QB to point to is Deshaun Watson, which, you know, that did not age well for him. You know what I mean, man?

[C]

I mean, massage parlors. How do you.

[B]

I mean, he's got Trevor Lawrence. I mean, he's got Trevor Lawrence serviceable, pretty. Pretty decent NFL cubic.

[A]

That's how much I forget about Trevor Lawrence.

[B]

By the way, I want to address the chat right now. The chat is saying is reminding me that Urban Meyer was harboring a murderer.

[C]

On that was Billichek.

[B]

First of all, guys, I'm not so sure that Urban Meyer was going out and doing the drills with Aaron Hernandez. I don't know if he was doing that. And if I'm not mistaken, I think Aaron Hernandez did his. Happened when he played for New England, if I'm not mistaken. Right? I don't think.

[A]

I think it was happening across the. The timeline.

[B]

I think, oh, he was getting busy at Florida. But here's the thing. My thing is this. If the coach knew, then that's one thing. If. Can you imagine though, like, Aaron Hernandez coming down and talking to like, Urban Meyer and Urban Meyer. Well, hey, Aaron, what's up? What do you want to talk to me about? Aaron Hernandez, go. I got some crazy to tell you, coach. I was like, well, we're not using an offense, right? Is it something you do you not like the chip? We don't have to do that. We can spritz split you out wide. You're very versatile. We don't want you to. He's like, coach, I had to do somebody. What do you mean you have to do somebody, Aaron? Nah, I have to Put in some work. Coach Urban Meyer going, tell me about that. How did that go? Let's throw the cops off your trail. That's not what happened. That never happened.

[C]

But, yo, he was accused of killing. He was accused of shooting somebody in Florida, though, if I'm not mistaken.

[A]

Yeah, okay. I think Urban's policy was don't ask, don't tell, you know?

[B]

But what I'm trying to say is that, like, if we go through the list of coaches that have people do heinous shit while they were there, it's a lot of players. So I don't think that we could really blame Urban.

[C]

He already ready for him. Man, look at you. You already.

[B]

No, I'm just being like. I'm trying to be the case, bro. I'm. I'm trying to be fair to Urban Meyer. I don't think it's fair to blame Urban Meyer from Aaron Hernandez's like, peccadillos and things like that. I don't think that's fair to do.

[A]

But do you guys remember?

[B]

Maybe it's his fault.

[A]

I mean, you know my favorite Urban Meyer moment. Sorry, Joel. My favorite Urban Meyer moment was when Percy Harbin slapped. Percy Harbin slapped him on the ass. Do you guys remember that?

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

That was.

[A]

That was like. Urban was holding on for dear life with that team. He was holding on for dear life. Yeah. I can't. He's like.

[B]

He had to take it.

[C]

He had to take it, man. He's a legendary thing. He's legendary, G, man.

[A]

He was like, you better be glad it was you, Percy, because otherwise I would have choke somebody. It was.

[B]

You know, that's like. That's like, when. When you going to dance on a girl, you know, and you dancing on her? You know what I'm saying? And then T. Bob was talking about this. Y' all know this. You dance on a girl and you dance on her, and then she does that little thing where she turns around and look to see if you are worthy of the dance. And then you're like, what's up? What's up? And then she's like, yeah, cool. That's what Urban Meyer did to Percy Harvin. If he would have turned around and it would have been like the long snapper that's not on his ass. Yankee scholarship.

[A]

Yeah. Even if it was like a penalty twin, I think he would have taken the scholarship. I think Percy was the only one. If Tebow did it, he would have been like, if.

[B]

If Tebow did it, we just saw something different when he Turned around and from the front of his pants. If Tebow. If Tebow did it. Urban Myla. Oh, dad, he loves.

[C]

Wow. Oh, man.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? Like, the. He would have made the. The Pillsbury Doughboy sound.

[A]

They don't make college teams like that anymore.

[B]

He loved Tim Tebow.

[A]

Shout out to Chris Leak. He's the one who laid the foundation for that whole team.

[C]

The Posse Twins are like the Hodge twins, man. I'm surprised they ain't gone for that. That market yet, man. I feel like every time I see the Pouncy Twins are like. Again, no, I don't want them to come after me. Yeah.

[A]

I was gonna say kind of scared to be careful.

[C]

Okay. No, I gotta bite off some.

[B]

Don't bite.

[C]

I gotta say it. Let me say.

[B]

Cause I'm not riding with you.

[A]

I disavow.

[C]

I mean, they just. I just feel like every time I read a story with the Pouncy Twins involved, it's just like, always some. You know, it's some bad, man. That's all. I wasn't. It's just like. I just feel like I ain't never read a story with a Pouncy Twins. You know how they said the west side Gun has a song? And it's like, you know, at the end of the song, it's like, you know, they had west side Gun Day. It's about bringing the community together and like that. They ain't never even had a West side Gun. Holiday news story for the Pouncy Twins. I ain't never seen no like that. Not saying that they haven't, but it just kind of feels like, you know, just whenever they're around, it's just not a good time.

[B]

That's what I'm looking at.

[A]

They got Debo energy before we get off.

[B]

Urban Meyer. Real quick, these are Urban Meyer's records. Florida and Ohio State combined. 9 and 3, 13 and 1. 9 and 4, 13 and 1, 13 and 1, 8 and 5. Remember, he. He conned his way out. 12, 0, 12 and 2, 14, 112 and 1. 11 and 2, 11 and 2, 10 and 1. Coaching college football.

[A]

7 and overs. Michigan, by the way.

[B]

Coaching college football.

[C]

Get that, man.

[B]

All of these. Three national championships, a BCS national championship, then another BCS national championship and a College Football playoff. Like a college football coach with a capital C, bro.

[A]

In the first year of the new.

[C]

Model, nobody in the SEC wants to see Urban Meyer go to lsu. That's how, you know, it's like. Like, everybody's like, oh, shit. Like, after the bad headlines for a week or two or whatever. And, you know, he gets through his first couple of press conferences, and then it'll be like, God damn, man, Urban Myers down there at lsu, you know? So I don't know. I don't know if they got the guts to do it if not. I saw a clip of Art that's not happening. I saw a clip of Art Bras talking about how he almost had the Texas job a few years ago, like he did when he, like, in 2014, 2015. And he was talking about, yeah, man, if he lost, I don't know, some bowl game. And he's talking about, yeah, man, I almost, I was going to go to.

[A]

Who they hired Tom Herman.

[C]

I think it was Tom Herman, man.

[A]

I kind of remember that search. I, I do, I do recall that. So I don't think he's, I, I, you know, you're not too far off, Joel. Speaking of Texas, they honor the 2005 National Championship team at halftime today. Mac Brown, the rest of the guys.

[C]

Oh, another great team, man. Vince, youngest man, my favorite football player, man. I love Vince Young so much, man.

[A]

I love Vince Young on the Titans with CJ2K.

[C]

I had him do a cameo for my pop's birthday one year, man. That's how much we, I love that Vince Young, man.

[B]

Yeah, well, it's very special.

[C]

Yeah, man, I went we me on Pops, man. We went and saw Vince Young's final high school game. We didn't know it was going to be that it was a state semifinals against Austin Westlake, which is Drew Brees alma mater, Right? And I mean, it's just, I'll never forget, like, Vince Young was just incredible, man. I've never, I've never been more entertained. In fact, it ruined high school football for me for a few years because I was like, man, these motherfuckers ain't Vince Young. I'm just so mad that nobody could be Vince Young. So. Yeah, man, shout out Vince Young, man.

[A]

Yeah, I saw Colt McCoy on their show the other day, and Colt McCoy was talking about being a kid from West Texas. He went to a camp that he wasn't even supposed to go to, and they ended up offering him a scholarship. And he was talking about how much Vince Young, like, you know, watching him growing up, like, helped him, like, develop his game, his, like, imagination on the field and stuff. It was really sweet.

[B]

So if you guys are wondering why you're not getting the up to the second updates that I normally give when we're doing this is because it is legitimately a lot harder to follow the games.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

With no YouTube TV.

[C]

It is.

[B]

I'm on Oklahoma, Tennessee. But it is much more difficult for me to follow the games in real time doing this show with no YouTube TV. They need to fix this situation.

[C]

Get this right.

[B]

I blame. Yeah, I blame everyone.

[A]

Yeah, I blame everyone. Except for the fans. Except for, except for the viewers. The viewers are doing their job. We're trying to watch the games. Talk about.

[C]

I'm just trying, I'm just trying to have them figure this out, man. I mean I had, I was like the last cable holdout. I was sick. I don't know. I'm going through all these different apps and figuring out TV and like that, man. And I was like, if it's because of like this, I'm tired of it, man. So. Yeah. But no, no, there's no chance that we're ever going to get consumer protections that are effective anymore though. So I'm all that shit's over. So I guess we, we're just complaining until the. We're just spitting into the wind. But man, that is annoying.

[A]

A couple more things I wanted to hit before we get out of here. Navy no longer undefeated. They lose to North Texas. Shout out to the Mean Green. Their fans were loud and going crazy in that game. And Navy, I mean they weren't favored in that game, so it wasn't much of an upset. But again, they were undefeated. There are six teams with one loss in the American Conference. So that conference is just a jumbled up mess. So we'll figure out what the G5 looks like.

[C]

Texas, man, so good.

[A]

Yeah, Good team, good coach. Coming from the Mike Leach. Yep. Shout out to him. And then the last thing I wanted to hit with you guys, I thought this was a great moment. Coach prime pointed this out, said it was a beautiful moment, meant a lot to him. Mike Vick vs. Desean Jackson turned into a great game on Thursday night. Joel, you wrote about this, but this was like for anybody that loved watching those two guys play football, to see them coaching against each other, it was a special moment.

[C]

It was really cool, man. Man, I even had to hit up the athletic director at, at Delaware State. That shout out. Tony Tucker, man. He' year athletic director at Delaware State. He came, he had kind of a weird path into it because he didn't really work in college.

[B]

He worked.

[C]

He was like a head, you know, headmaster at like a prep school type stuff and so in boarding schools and he got that job at Delaware State and I asked him I was like, man, what made you hire desean Jackson? He's like, man, you just get in the room with him and you can feel it, you know? Like, you just. This guy is real. Like, this is a real thing. And, man, I. I've been saying the hiring of desean Jackson is maybe the most inspired coaching hire of the year in college football.

[A]

Man, they're doing a great job. Yeah.

[C]

They've not been this good in 20 years. Right. Like, they. They hadn't had a winning season since, like, 2012 or something like that. And, like, they've already won six games or whatever. Michael Vick, they struggling down there in Norfolk.

[A]

He just fired a bunch of his staff. They're doing some turnover. Yeah, that was a good game. 27:20.

[C]

That's a good game, man. Bro, Delaware State could play in the black national championship game, man. They're headed down to the celebration bowl, man.

[B]

Oh, I was about to. Quiz tapes are right now. No, no, no. I love the name of the black.

[C]

He was gonna ask you a feeding. Yeah.

[B]

If you could know what the name of the black college. But. Celebration Bowl.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, he kind of ruined it, but I. I could have got it.

[C]

I think Tate would have known that. Tate would. Why are you pressing tape?

[B]

I'm not pressing tape.

[C]

You press.

[B]

I'm not. But. But you know what?

[A]

I went to a North Carolina A and T football game when I was in high school. Man, who rocks the house? The Aggies rocked the house. It was an epic game.

[C]

Greensboro shout out.

[B]

All right, okay.

[A]

It's an epic game.

[B]

It's also important that these brothers who want to be head coaches just get opportunities to get their feet wet, to be in control, to. To. To interview, to answer the questions, to put programs together. And so, you know, whether or not they both become legendary coaches at the places that they're at, it's really important for the ecosystem of black coaches, particularly black former NFL players, for these guys to be able to get these opportunities. So I'm glad to see both of them have the opportunity, and I hope that it works out for both of them.

[A]

Can I just say, football game is forever.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

The DeSean Jackson first play.

[C]

The best throw in the history. The best throw in. In NFL history, man.

[A]

Michael Vick. Even though Van showed me some clips of Michael Vick versus Lamar Jackson, and it. It does look like Michael Vic's running in slow motion compared to Lamar Jackson.

[C]

It's a different time. It was.

[B]

It wasn't trying to be a diss.

[A]

To Vic, but no, you're just saying that, like, look at this.

[B]

Me and Jomy were at the crib and we were watching Vic highlights and Vic was moving. But then when you put Lamar moving, it's obvious that Lamar is, is the next level of Vic. And even Jayden Daniels, they running faster than what Vic was. But Vic was the man. And that's it. That's it. That's it. I want to hear. No, Vic slanted. Vic was the man.

[A]

I will say this. Lamar Jackson in. I went to the Louisville Carolina football game and I saw Lamar Jackson in person in college. That was one of the most impressive like games performances. Like, I was like, who the hell is this guy? I was like, he's unbelievable. He went on to win the high school. So shout out to Lamar Jackson.

[C]

Crazy, Crazy. Oh, real quick. I just want to say, because you know, John Thompson building off with Van said John Thompson once said, man, you shouldn't have to be John Thompson to get a coaching job. There's a lot of coaches that fail, man. And that's kind of thing. When you just see all this talk about the head coaching candidates and all the people that are up for these jobs, man, most of these guys are going to fail, right? And people are going to forget it. And I just, sometimes I'd just like to see throwing some of the brothers out there, man, give them a chance to, you know, give them a chance to fail too. You know, they can. They can go out there and go six and six like anybody, everybody else. So, yeah, anyway, that's what I want.

[A]

To say, that I like it.

[C]

Good.

[A]

Final points, parting shots. Van last. Before we get out of here, Joe.

[B]

Just did I have a dream speech. That was his version of it. Party shots. Look, we are in the middle of the season here. LSU football will be back next week. Next week will be one of the most interesting weeks for some of the games that are. Are that are. That are up. But right now you see some of the teams flexing their muscle. Indiana a big spread against Maryland there, Joel. Maryland football. Yeah. Just taking one on the chin, man.

[A]

Indiana looks so good. Like Indiana.

[C]

That's just, that's not fair.

[B]

Like one of the teams, man, I.

[A]

Gotta think they can win the national championship. And maybe I'm crazy, but.

[B]

But I definitely think that they are a legitimate threat. I think you have to now you have to take off your colored glasses and look at Indiana as a legitimate national championship threat and a team that could be a legitimate national championship threat for years to come. So, you know, a lot of flexing of the muscle going. We got one big upset overall thus far. It's been a good week of college football.

[A]

Yep. Joe, parting shots, last thoughts?

[C]

Yeah, man. First of all, I hope that we're all able to get our multi views back next week. That would be nice. Please. I'd love to get that. And man, you know what? I'm getting a feeling, man, that college game day, the big game next week might be in Lubbock, Texas, man, BYU at Texas Tech.

[B]

Oh.

[C]

So the Big 12 might, might be in the center stage for a little bit. So they, I hope, I hope they put on a good show for people because I feel like the times that the Big 12 has had a chance to capture the attention of the nation, they've not really lived even when even that Texas Tech Utah game just didn't quite turn out the way that I thought. So I hope, hope they can put on a good show. But yeah, man, I'm, I'm looking forward to it. I, I just can't believe that next week will be week 11. Man. That's just week 11. I just can't believe the season is going on like this, man. It's crazy.

[A]

It's flying by Texas Tech, they were kind of in a dog fight early in that game, but 43 to 20 they end up winning against Kansas State. BYU undefeated. We got Georgia Tech right now, 1714 right before halftime. USC, Nebraska's had happening right now. Oklahoma, Tennessee 107 and they got Cincinnati Utah later tonight.

[B]

So Billy says, by the way, that it's confirmed that game day will be in love in next week.

[C]

Oh, okay, there you go.

[B]

That's confirmed.

[C]

So we'll see that I'm a good girl.

[A]

He knows what's happening. He must have reached out to Rhys Davis or something. But there you have it.

[C]

Davis on press box earlier this year. You know, that's my dude, man.

[A]

He's a good dude. Yeah. Alabama guy, guy never met him.

[C]

No.

[A]

No longer blocked by Herb street though. That's the real.

[C]

We good. We good. We good with Herb. We're good.

[A]

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