CFB Week 11 LIVE Reactions: Indiana, Georgia, BYU-Texas Tech and More! | Ringer Tailgate

Summary

Ringer Tailgate: CFB Week 11 LIVE Reactions

Date: November 8, 2025
Hosts: Van Lathan, Joel Anderson, Tate Frazier
Theme: Live, immediate reactions and analysis from a wild College Football Week 11, with banter, Big 12 debates, quarterback talk, chaos, and cultural commentary.

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Episode Overview

The crew gathers live (with Van in Vegas and Tate in North Carolina) to react to the developing CFB Week 11 storylines, including Texas Tech’s blowout of BYU, Indiana’s dramatic win over Penn State, playoff implications, the Heisman race, and broader trends in college football. As always, the episode is driven by the trio’s signature blend of sharp analysis, jokes, storytelling, and open contempt/affection for fan bases and coaching dramas.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Texas Tech Blows out BYU: Big 12 Narratives

• Texas Tech Dominates: Texas Tech stifles BYU in a game hyped up by College GameDay but turns into a one-sided showcase for the Red Raider defense.
• Joel’s Take: “Texas Tech is a great team. That is a great defense. Sometimes that's all you need. And in a year like this, that may be all they need.” (03:58)
• Big 12 Playoff Picture: Loss devastates BYU’s viability as a playoff contender, now Utah only path to a second Big 12 team.
• National Perception: The Big 12 still battles a lack of national credibility. Joel notes voters will judge BYU harshly after seeing them look so poor on national TV.
  • Quote: “National credibility...people are willing to write their teams off immediately if they perform poorly on TV. Unlike the SEC...” (08:09)
• Amnesia Games: Van coins “amnesia games”—key matchups the committee/fans simply forget ever happened when the narrative shifts.
  • Quote: “I just think the College Football Playoff committee should not be in the habit of pretending like games never happened.” (09:39)

2. Indiana Stuns Penn State in Happy Valley

• Game Context: Indiana, with Fernando Mendoza at QB, stages a dramatic last-minute drive capped by a touchdown to Omar Cooper.
  • Host Quote: “Fernando Mendoza, speaking of good times, he got high. He threw a ball high and Omar Cooper came down with the catch and toe, tapped in for the touchdown...” (12:19)
• Van’s Analysis: “That's Fernando Mendoza’s Heisman moment...he probably locked up the Heisman too, because it was such a, a moment, a Heisman moment that we haven’t seen in today’s college football anymore.” (13:30)
• Building Program Lore: Both Van and Joel dive into Indiana’s fight for legitimacy and the quest to create ‘moments’ that deepen the program’s legend and belief inside and outside the locker room.
• Talent Differential: Joel points out that Indiana delivers despite a talent gap: “Penn State still probably has more talent on its roster than Indiana does. I know it's hard for people to believe that, but…” (18:26)

3. Penn State’s Joyless Season & The James Franklin Era

• No Joy in Mudville: Van laments Penn State’s “joyless” season—when a team not only disappoints, but provides fans no actual fun.
  • Quote: “There’s something else…having the absolutely joyless year…You start looking at what moments did we get, what joy did we get?” (20:02)
• Worst Losses Debate: Is Penn State cursed? The team debates whether Oregon, Northwestern, or UCLA delivered the cruelest blow.
• Franklin’s Emotional Stake: Speculation on whether ousted James Franklin rooted for or against his old team—jokes about breakups, exes, and legacy abound.
  • Joel: “If you break up with somebody, man, and they go on and they do immediately better than you, like, is that—you know…I mean, it’s one thing you love somebody…and you root for them going forward…but initially…[you want them to struggle].” (24:57)

4. Colorado & Deion Sanders: The Flash Fading?

• State of the Program: Van and Joel question whether Deion still has the energy or desire to build a long-term foundational program at Colorado with his sons likely moving on.
  • Van: “Is it possible that Deion himself…did not take a long enough look at the current…climate of college football?” (32:08)
• Transfer Portal Reliance: Joel wonders if the annual roster overhaul is sustainable: “Turning over the roster every year and bringing in all these transfers…We should not have to do that…” (30:38)
• Recruiting & NFL Pipeline: Without a solid recruiting base or NFL success beyond his own family, Deion’s appeal may not be enough in the NIL era.

5. Macro State of College Football: Playoff Chaos, Fraud Watch, and QB Carousel

• Group of 5 (Tulane, Memphis): Tulane knocks Memphis from G5 playoff conversation. Tulane's resilience and coach John Sumrall’s SEC rumors discussed. (64:19)
• Playoff Upside Down: With bluebloods like Penn State, FSU, LSU, and Clemson slipping (53:16), the episode diagnoses overall CFB weirdness—match-ups that should’ve defined the year simply don’t.
• Heisman Race & Draft Watch: Fernando Mendoza coined as favorite, but there’s controversy about the QB class’s actual quality. Media narratives vs. production dissected.
  • Van on shaky draft class: “A really mediocre quarterback draft in comparison to what it was supposed to be.” (52:13)
• “Frauds” in the ACC: Virginia and others called out on ‘fraud watch’; Tate frequently on the war path about playoff payola and undeserved praise.

6. Culture, Trash Talk, & Meta-College Football

• “SEC! SEC!” Chants: The cultural phenomenon and “group hype” of SEC chanting is roasted, especially by Joel.
  • Joel Quote: “I just thought it showed a lack of dignity…hop on Bama’s dick to be excited.” (44:03)
• Breakup Theories and Rating Systems: Van details his brother’s “0-2” rating system for men and women, based on who you can ‘pull’—a comical, locker-room style aside. (26:07)
• Clutch Agenda (Basketball): In a brief college basketball aside, the hosts lampoon the hype machine around Darrin Peterson and the Kobe comparisons—with inside jokes about “clutch” agency influence. (58:34)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Van Lathan, on college football amnesia:

  "We're going to have the top 10 amnesia games. The games that happened where teams played—and won—but no one remembers them." (09:39)

• Joel Anderson, on Big 12 perception:

  “People are willing to write their teams off immediately if they perform poorly on TV…Unlike the SEC, which—even if you perform poorly and the game is close—'it just means more.'” (08:09)

• Van Lathan, on building football joy:

  “You start looking at what moments did we get, what joy did we get? …if you are a Penn State Nittany Lion fan right now…What did you give your fan base?” (20:02)

• Van on Heisman lore:

  “I think Mendoza locked up the Heisman today. I really do. I think he did two things—solidified himself as the front runner…and, barring something crazy, he probably locked up the Heisman too.” (13:30)

• Joel, on Deion Sanders’ coaching reality:

  “The whole conceit of the Deion thing is kids will want to play for him. Well, like, show me…turning over the roster every year…is [for] programs with new coaches, not for Colorado.” (30:38)

• SEC Propaganda:

  “You just gave the SEC more propaganda material, Joel.” – Host (41:06)

• Riff on the "SEC" chant:

  Joel: “That shows you have no respect for yourself, man.” Van: “I don't give a [expletive] about that SEC stuff.” Host: “LSU fans were the first fans I ever heard chant SEC.” (43:41)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Texas Tech/BYU Fallout & Big 12 Playoff Picture:
  03:58 – 09:39
• Indiana-Penn State Recap, Heisman Lore-building:
  11:54 – 15:34
• Penn State/Gutted Fanbases/Franklin as the Ex:
  20:02 – 25:35
• Deion Sanders & Colorado’s Future:
  29:45 – 35:44
• Amnesia Games, Committee Narratives:
  09:39 – 11:38
• Heisman Race & Draft QBs (McShay angle):
  49:00 – 55:43
• Tulane vs Memphis, Group of 5 Power:
  63:59 – 67:00
• ACC/‘Fraud Watch,’ Committee Payola Rants:
  67:00 – 68:12
• Riff on SEC/Conference identity:
  41:16 – 46:22
• Basketball interlude on Darrin Peterson:
  58:27 – 61:32
• Fun Family/Locker Room Banter:
  Scattered throughout; especially rating system (26:07), Gus Johnson puberty joke (12:39)

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Tone & Style Notes

• Camaraderie, Ball-Busting, & Banter: Heavy on in-jokes, regional pride, trash talk, and over-the-top analogies.
• Audience Engagement: Shoutouts to commenters and live-correction of errors, providing a “hangout” experience for listeners.
• Mix of Serious Analysis & Humor: Blends statistical or legacy debates with running gags and personal stories.

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TL;DR Takeaways

• Texas Tech emerges as Big 12 favorite, exposing BYU’s limitations.
• Indiana’s miracle over Penn State transforms program perception; Mendoza likely Heisman frontrunner.
• Penn State’s season is emotionally “joyless”—classic heartbreak for blueblood fans.
• Deion’s Colorado runs low on momentum without his sons and transfer magic.
• Playoff and Heisman narratives are in flux due to unexpected “frauds” and non-traditional contenders.
• College football’s collective memory—and committee—often erase crucial early games (the ‘amnesia’ phenomenon).
• SEC chant and conference unity roasted as “group hype” with little dignity.
• Basketball, banter, personal stories, and cultural riffs keep the show fresh and unpredictable.

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For casual and hardcore college football fans alike, this live episode of Ringer Tailgate captures the emotional chaos—and unexpected narratives—defining the back half of the 2025 season.

Transcript

[Joel Anderson]

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[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Welcome back to Rigor Tailgate. It is Saturday and we are having. Having buffering issues yet again, but we are officially back here. I think we're looking better now. I like to think that we're looking better. Let's say what's up to our guys in Las Vegas. Live from Las Vegas, he's waving at the people. Van Lathan. What's up, man? Good to see you.

[Van Lathan]

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[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

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[Joel Anderson]

Man, what's up, bro? Man, you know that I was there for the rat poison press conference. It was at A. M. Oh, yeah, they played. They played a weak ass game down there at College Station. And that was the. It was the rat poison press conference I was there for, man. But yeah, this is, this is old school right here. This is vintage TCU gear right here. You just don't. You can't buy. You can't buy this off. Off the Amazon anything. You gotta, you gotta shed a little blood to get this one.

[Van Lathan]

There you go.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Van is famously shed blood on LSU's campus. We have some questions in the comments. Van, they're asking you this. Jack Wilson has highlighted these. They asked for this game. LSU Bama, what ancient rituals are you cooking up this week, if any? You don't have to be cooking up anything, but people are asking.

[Van Lathan]

I haven't done any work just yet. And there's a reason. You only do the work as a healing ritual. So we gotta see how the boys come out and play. You don't want to overwork the energy. You don't want to put too much energy into it. So you gotta see how they play. And then we got. We will know whether or not we need to reach out to Sebek or some of the other people there and get them involved in some of the energies there. You know what I'm saying?

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[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Okay, yeah, Some energy work going on. We'll see what happens. That game is going to kick off in about 20 minutes, so we will have, you know, some live reactions to that game. We're a little bit worried because the college game day game that we had this morning, byu, Texas Tech, we thought that would be a good game. They kept talking and hearkening back to the Texas Tech, Texas game that we talked about. The Graham Harrell, Michael Crabtree game, Mike Leach, great game. And we all wanted that to be a great game, but it turned out to be the ultimate dud. Texas Tech just completely dominates that game. I guess we should start there. Joel, is there. Is there any takeaways there from that game? Do we think BYU is just ultimately fraudulent or do we have to give some credit to Texas Tech at this point?

[Joel Anderson]

Well, I think what people should say is Texas Tech is a great team. Like that. This is the second time a great team. Yeah, man, that's. That is a great. That is a great defense. That is a great defense. Sometimes. Sometimes that's all you need. And in a year like this, that may be all they need. But if I were Joey Maguire, I would have come out at the end of the game and I didn't see the end of it because I turned away from it because it was not no longer a competitive game. I said, what a crowd, what an atmosphere. That's a quality BYU program out there. And to hold them down like this. We play some good football here in the Big 12. And sometimes, you know, maybe it wasn't entertaining enough for you guys, but maybe people need to decide, oh, when we were scoring 40 points, it was too much. Now that we play some hard nosed defense in the Big 12, you know, you guys need to decide and stop and stop judging us and look at the quality of ball we're playing here. That's. If I was Joe, the Big 12.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Defender, Joel Anderson, I would have came.

[Joel Anderson]

Out there on that today. You know, that's a good time, that's a good time to do that now that you have the, the, the nation's eyes on you today, man. So. But the other thing that I would say is that the only way the Big 12 gets two teams into the playoffs now is if Utah makes the final. Because no, nobody's, nobody's going to accept BYU in the playoffs anymore. That's it.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Because BYU beat Utah.

[Van Lathan]

But yeah, I think it's that interesting. Once again, one of those Joel specials, I think special. A Joel special saying that, you know, Texas is best and then Alabama and all of these teams are there and now no one will accept byu. Utah has to go in when Utah beat or BYU beat Utah. It's interesting. It's a Joel special. Listen, I think what happened today was a little growing up for Bachmire. The quarterback in this situation looked overwhelmed. He got a lot of things thrown at him and everything that Texas Tech was dialing up was working. What you saw was, to me, a defense that was a little bit more of a veteran unit, had a little bit more of a philosophy that was ingrained into the team and they went up against a quarterback that still has Similac on his breath and the moment was a little bit too big for him right then and he could not really live up to what he needed to be able to accomplish. I think BYU had problems everywhere, but it was not the type of game that Bear needed to have in order to keep Texas Tech at bay. But they're the clear class of the Big 12, it seems like to me, despite the loss. I don't know if they're a great team, but they are certainly a very solid playoff team right now. Resounding.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Yeah, yeah, let's give them some love. I did want to point out I have people roasting me right now. The, the kickoff is for three more hours. I'm on the west coast, typically. I'm in Los Angeles right now. I'm in North Carolina. My phone hasn't updated with the times. So, you know, that's why, that's why it's all screwed up. But, yeah, we're about three hours away from kickoff. Appreciate the commenters. You know, they're always locked in, always ready to roast somebody. So apologies there, but we have a few more hours before we get to Van Lathan's reactions to lsu. Bama Joel, you. You got your hand raised.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, let me get, Let me get. Let me give you a little bit more of a Joel special since, since that's, that's what I did. What I'm saying about the BYU thing, this is the one time that people are going to tune in and watch be like this. The, the BYU had college game day in town. This is the, this is a national, you know, a national sort of debut for them, like their first real big national spotlight. Voters are people, and they're going to look. In the time that they're going to look at them, they're going to look at that game. And I say, man, they had absolutely no offense and they would never really end the game. It was kind of surprising. I thought Kentucky and them would have a little bit something else schemed up or worked up for Bear, but it just may, you know, it could just be that they were just that overwhelmed and the Texas Tech defense is that good. But I think people are going to look at BYU and say, I just can't see that team being competitive. Like, it's not that I don't think BYU shouldn't get in there. Like, I think whoever the runner up in the Big 12 is should get a playoff berth. But I just know that that's how the Big 12 doesn't have a lot of credibility with people. National credibility. Like, people are willing to write their teams off immediately if they perform poorly on tv. Unlike the sec, which even if you perform poorly and the game is close, it's like, well, you know, they kind of slugged it out and, you know, the defenses beat each other. Yeah, right. It means more.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Just means more. Florida's a great team.

[Van Lathan]

Just mean more. But what I'm saying about the Joel special is everything that you're saying is true. But to say that Utah would get the nod over BYU when BYU beat.

[Joel Anderson]

Utah, but people don't remember that game.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

People don't remember the game doesn't matter anymore.

[Van Lathan]

What week did that game happen? Because we already.

[Joel Anderson]

2.

[Van Lathan]

Because, because last week about the fact that the first week of the season doesn't matter.

[Joel Anderson]

Gotta throw it out now.

[Van Lathan]

So this game right here between BYU and Utah was October 18th. It's over. It doesn't like nothing that happened.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, obviously. You know what I'm thinking?

[Van Lathan]

More nothing.

[Joel Anderson]

No, Joel, I'm thinking more of Texas Tech versus Utah. See, for some reason, I'm locked in on, like, how Texas Tech made Utah look, because Utah didn't look good in that game against Texas Tech either. Right, right.

[Van Lathan]

But you said that Utah should get in over byu. You said.

[Joel Anderson]

I didn't say they should. I just say I don't think people are going to accept. I think people are going to forget how Utah looked against Tech and they're going to be like, well, they've beaten up everybody else. They played like Utah is smashed pretty much everybody else. But for byu. But people didn't watch. People didn't watch that game as closely. People watched BYU closely this time, you know? And that's all I'm saying. That's all.

[Van Lathan]

I get it. So this is what we're going to do after the season. We're going to have the top 10amnesia games. The games that happened where teams played in one, but no one remembers them. No one remembers what happened. For whatever reason, these games are out. And so I always want to know, what is it? For example, today, is this an amnesia game that Penn State, Indiana played? You feel like this is an amnesia game. No one will remember it. I'm with the amnesia game. I think there are some games that are amnesia games. I just think that the College Football Playoff committee should not be in the habit of pretending like games never happened. And I would hope that they wouldn't do that, but I know that there are.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

They already have, though.

[Joel Anderson]

They've done it already. They already do.

[Van Lathan]

I know they did it. And I'm saying it's wrong. Is you got that wrong. Remember that from the Styles P album? Y' all don't remember that? You took that off the roof together.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Hey, hey, take good times.

[Van Lathan]

You listen to that Styles P gangster.

[Joel Anderson]

Good times with that. Yeah, Locks, man.

[Van Lathan]

But no, look, I think if. I think Texas Tech separated themselves from the rest of the Big 12 today. But also, this was kind of a game, to Joe's point, with everybody paying attention, where Texas Tech made a statement despite the fact that we slipped up and we lost, you guys might have written us off. We are a team that is here to play and here to stay. And when you look at what's happened over the last couple of years, At Texas Tech, obviously there's a lot of talk about all the resources that they have and the investment that's gone into the program. But something else that's going into the program is, is steady and incremental improvement. Steady and incremental improvement. That along with the investment that's gone into Texas Tech now has them being, to me, a really solid and dangerous playoff team.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

I like that call. And I will say, another amnesia game that we did not mention. Florida State did beat Alabama. We will never talk about that game again. Everybody will act like it will not count.

[Joel Anderson]

But it did happen.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

I watched it. It was a great game. We talked about it on the show.

[Joel Anderson]

They beat their ass, people.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Yeah, yeah, it was a great time. Let's talk about Penn State. Indiana because. Or Indiana? Penn State, I should say, because this was in Happy Valley and Indiana in this game looked like they were dead to rights at one point. And it felt like Penn State was finally going to beat a top five team. It was going to be this weird, ironic moment where they fired James Franklin for not being able to win these games. But then they finally win this game with a, you know, a defensive backs coach that's turned to their interim coach. But Fernando Mendoza, speaking of good times, he got high. He threw a ball high and Omar Cooper came down with the catch and toe, tapped in for the touchdown, which was an incredible play and an incredible moment. And I wanted to ask you this fan, is that the catch of the year? Because Gus Johnson lost his voice as he made this call.

[Van Lathan]

He turned Gus Johnson into an 11 year old boy.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Like he made puberty again.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, Gus was so excited that he was trying to ask the girl to the dance. His voice was cracking. It looked like the wonder years or something like that. I wonder who Gus was trying to take to the, to the prom. Probably. Let's see, Gus. Gus is a Howard guy on the 90s. You know, I wonder.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

This is from Detroit, right? He's a Detroit guy.

[Van Lathan]

He's a Detroit guy.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

That's Gus's thing.

[Joel Anderson]

You think Gus ever been nervous for real?

[Van Lathan]

Oh, you don't think Gus was nervous when he was trying to holl at these hoes?

[Joel Anderson]

There's always, there's always. I have a couple of friends that were like that. They just, it, it never, it never affected them to step to anybody. Like they just had the confidence to do it, you know. And I think Gus is kind of that guy.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

That kind of guy has got that dog in him.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, probably got that dog in him now. I'll Say this. That's Fernando Mendoza's Heisman moment. There it is. I mean we, we, we make a joke in our group chat about the legacy drive. Think about what's on the line right there now. Is that a crippling loss for Indiana? Probably not. If they lose the game, they still have chances to, to, to, to win big games and, and, and, and, and get the, win the Big Ten and going in the whole night, everything will still be ahead of them if they would have lost a game. However, for the perception of Indiana every single week, that was an incredibly important drive and I'll tell you why. Indiana is not just playing their opponent every week. They're playing their national perception. They're playing against the lack of tradition that Indiana football has. And what they need to do is two things. Number one, continue to win, continue to win games when the whole nation is watching and continue to show that, that they're going to be a tough out no matter who they're playing against and no matter whether or not they have their AAME or not. Because they obviously didn't have their AAME today. And number two, Indiana football needs to make some moments. They need to create some lore, they need to create some legend. They need some. We're down four points with under two minutes left. We're driving, we make some big plays. They need some things, some storybook plays that their fans can really sink their teeth into. And when you're playing a mashup of Indiana football that there's a montage that there's moments that you can put in there and they got a lot of that stuff today. And I think that Mendoza locked up the Heisman today. I really do. I think he did two things. He solidified himself as the front runner to the Heisman. And I also think that barring something crazy, he probably locked up the Heisman too because it was just such a, a moment, a Heisman moment that we haven't seen that we normally don't see in today's college football anymore.

[Joel Anderson]

Man, you know, I guess I, I don't necessarily disagree that that's what you need. Like if you're putting together the Heisman resume that that's all of that is what you need. You're scuffling, it's been a tough game against, for whatever people think about Penn State that is still a four or five star talent defense.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Like he didn't like he drew Aller being hurt really didn't affect what he had to go against today. Right. So they still got that great Defense, you're scuffling, you don't have your best receiver. Don't forget that Elijah Surat didn't play today. Right? So they're not even missing their most dynamic offensive weapon. And you still went out there and made it happen. And even before the catch at the end of the. The catch to Omar Cooper Jr. Man, there was a. I think it was two plays before on. It was. I'm looking at this right here, Becker, right? It was a Becker to catch the Becker on the sideline, man, who had.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Seven catches in his career before this game and then ends up with seven catches in this game.

[Joel Anderson]

That was an incredible catch, man. It's just like they came up big in ways that to Vance Point, it builds lore because. Right. Like Indiana is also. When Van is talking about. Oh, they're playing against the perception of them nationally. They're playing against the doubts everybody has about their pedigree, man. Right. Like, because Indiana didn't win those games last year, right? They beat. They beat the teams that they were better than, but it wasn't. They did not beat a team that was elite, which is why people were upset when they got included in the playoffs. And again, people are not going to count this Penn State win like that. But in terms of what they think in the locker room and what their fans are looking at, they know the kind of athletes Penn State has compared to what they have. And they went out there and dug deep today and got that win, man. And it just says so much for them. It says so much for the program. So that Kurt Signetti is building because he's not doing this with four star, five star talent, man. These are guys. Those are guys a lot of. There's like half of the defensive starters are from like jmu, right? A group of guys whose best offer out of high school is like Maryland.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

So, yeah, don't throw shots at Maryland, Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, I'm just saying. Maryland.

[Van Lathan]

Maryland. No, Mar. Mar, I can't. I can't do this. What do with this guy? Hey, y' all ever seen the Godfather 3?

[Joel Anderson]

Come on. I'm not gonna lie. I'm Godfather 3.

[Van Lathan]

There's a character named. He is the bastard son. And he is mad at Joy Zaza. Joy Zaza is sitting across the table. He's talking to Michael Corleone and he's talking about Vincent Mancini. And he goes, you know what? All bastards are liars. And Mancini is in the doorway. He goes, he bites us. He goes, what am I doing with this guy, huh? Huh? What am I doing with this guy. That's how I feel about what I'm doing with this guy, huh? What am I going to do with this guy? Joe, now it's Maryland. You have been stumping for Maryland football.

[Joel Anderson]

Wait again.

[Van Lathan]

Talking about the virtue of Maryland football.

[Joel Anderson]

And now you.

[Van Lathan]

This Maryland football, now that they're down with this guy, huh?

[Joel Anderson]

I like Maryland football. I root for them as an underdog. But we also know that Maryland is not recruiting with Ohio State, right? Like they're not getting, they're not getting the, the five star guys out of here. Those guys, those guys are not considering there. They're going down.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Maryland's not sitting in the care package anymore.

[Joel Anderson]

That's all. And that's all I'm saying.

[Van Lathan]

You say Michael Corleone. Tell him. Say it to his face one time. Say it to his face one time.

[Joel Anderson]

That's.

[Van Lathan]

That's how I feel right now. You've turned me into this caliber.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Now we're defending Maryland.

[Joel Anderson]

They did, they did not beat USC for those dudes, okay? They didn't beat Texas to get those guys on that Indiana defense. That's all I'm saying. And it says something about what Kurtzig, that he has done that they had the, they had the wherewithal. These are still. Penn State still probably has more talent on its roster than Indiana does. I know it's hard for people to believe that, but Penn State probably does. Like if you look at the composite scores of the recruits and everything they've got that Indiana went right out a man and they, they stuck, they helped, they held firm and then they made these incredible athletic plays at the end of the game where they just out athleted the DBs there, man, to make these plays. And so yeah, man, hats off to Tiana. Y' all be trying to turn me into a hater and I don't be doing that.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, I do want to say something about Penn State. Penn State is on the cusp of doing something that is uniquely soul destroying in college football. You can have a down year, you can have a disappointing year, but there's something else, and that's having the absolutely joyless year. That is something that is deeply, deeply, deeply affecting to a fan base. Even right now, the LSU Tigers, the team that I root for there, There have been moments, LSU beat Clemson when we thought that that was a big deal, right? There have been moments LSU has given the fans even just that moment. What Penn State was playing for today was to evolve to Was, excuse me, was to avoid going overjoy. Because when Your team does not win the championship in college football. When your team has a disappointing college football season, then you start looking at what moments did we get, what joy did we get? Even UCLA right now, who had a disastrous start to the season, can look at games this year and go look at how great we felt when the clocks went to zero. And if you are a Penn State Nittany lion fan right now, I'm not talking about wins over our brothers sisters of the poor. I'm talking about in games where there was something on the line. What did you give your fan base? And this was an amazing opportunity for the Penn State fans to, like, walk away from this game today feeling really good about an upset, feeling really good about the. The. The composition of their team, and they just could not make it happen. I felt gutted for them. I thought that they were gonna put.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

I did want to ask this. What's a worst loss for this Penn State fan base this year? The first question, is Penn State football cursed? Right. I think that's a. That's a one big question there. Are they actually cursed? And then the second thing is between the Oregon loss and the loss today, which one I think was more jarring and more painful because I think you could argue both sides of the coin.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

You think Oregon.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, Oregon. Oregon. Maybe the Northwestern one, because Northwestern really slammed the door shut on the year, right? Like, that was like, oh, okay. It actually is not going to happen. I mean, they just had so many terrible moments this year.

[Van Lathan]

UCLA is probably the biggest, right?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Because that was like, oh, no, you guys. It's like Oregon beat you again and you gave a team, you gave hope to a team that we didn't even think had a pulse. Right.

[Van Lathan]

We.

[Joel Anderson]

At that. At that point, nobody was thinking UCLA was going to do anything that year. They were still, you know, one of the worst teams in. In the Power 4, and they did it. So. Yeah. I mean. But the funny thing is, this is exactly how they would have lost under James Franklin. Right? Like, if it was going to happen. The way that everything that people you was upset at James Franklin about that got him fired is what happened in that game right there, right on the cusp. You got everybody's hopes up, and then when you had an opportunity to slam the door shut, you couldn't do it.

[Van Lathan]

Question, do you think James Franklin was rooting for Penn State today?

[Joel Anderson]

Man, I was.

[Van Lathan]

No.

[Joel Anderson]

No.

[Van Lathan]

You don't think so?

[Joel Anderson]

No. Would you. Would you have rooted if you would?

[Van Lathan]

You guys didn't see the heartwarming post that Brian Kelly sent out to lsu. Go Tigers. I'll always be a Tiger. Go. Like, what? How do you feel like these coaches really feel like, like yo Gotti has that line in juice where he goes, my ex was a waitress, so I gave that a tip. She with a lame now she working double shifts. And I always thought to myself, damn, yo Gotti, why do you have to be that way after you're not with her anymore? She's moved on to a night a, a new guy, and she started her career as a waitress.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. So.

[Van Lathan]

Or as in, in the why you have to be this way? Which one do you think that. You think that James Franklin is somewhere not right now being like, she, they. She with a lame now she working double shifts.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

It makes him look worse if they beat a top five team without him, Especially the number two team in the country, you know?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

That's what I think. It was more of a legacy.

[Van Lathan]

That are all his friends that were at his house fishing and playing cards.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

He was pulling for them individually. I think it kind of worked out perfectly for James Franklin. Like, they, they all played individually, good games, but they didn't win the game.

[Joel Anderson]

Lot of talent. If I was James Franklin, I probably, yeah, I, I, I think I probably be like, yeah, you know, or if they won that game, he probably could turn it into. We'll see. Look at the DNA I left within that program.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Like, I gave, I gave them the heart of a champion. So I, I told people that we're doing. If they had given me time, I would have done it too. But, you know, if you break up with somebody, man, and they go on and they do immediately better than you, like, is that, you know, I mean, it's one thing you love somebody and you root for them going forward. Like any ex I've ever had. I hope that, I truly hope they're happy today. Like, I don't hold any. But initially, especially if somebody did you wrong in the, in the aftermath, you'd be like, man, hope that give you gonorrhea, man. You know, something like that. Maybe chlamydia. Maybe chlamydia. There's a little lower state. Christ, you know what I'm saying?

[Van Lathan]

You know what? I've never been that way.

[Joel Anderson]

Really.

[Van Lathan]

Like, nah, man, I'm. First of all, I'm arrogant. So, like, I've been. You're pulling against it, right? And you, you mad when somebody didn't, like, moved. You know, you get you when somebody moves on and stuff. But I never look at the, the next Guy as somebody that's better than me because I look at the girl as someone, that means that we're the same. So if we've. I only date when I only basically judge men off the women that they can get. So me and my brother back in the day, we came up with this rating system because the 1 to 10 rating system for women wasn't comprehensive enough. So my brother came up with a rating system that was 0 to 2.0. And we had different things that we base it on. I didn't really get into. This was really his thing, him and his Ivy League chauvin, his friends, whatever. But I bought into it because the science was. Was solid.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

I think I've heard of this scale. I think this scale tracks.

[Van Lathan]

It translates 0 to 2.0.51. 1.52. They rate the women on all kinds of things. You only rate the men on one thing, what type of woman they can get. So if you can get a 1, you're a 1. If you can get a 1.5, you're a 1.5. If you can get a 2, which is like a Rihanna or a Salma Hayek.

[Sponsor/Advertisement Voice]

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[Van Lathan]

Then you are a two.

[Joel Anderson]

That's. That's.

[Van Lathan]

You got to do one thing. Okay, so if you have a girl and she is a 1.5, that makes you a 1.5. That makes him a 1.5. So he can't be any better than you.

[Joel Anderson]

Damn.

[Van Lathan]

To all the kids out there.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, that is a great way to think about it if you can bring yourself to do that. But, like, let's just say you broke up with your girl and she steps out with, like, I don't know. Who is Idris Elba? Whoever. Maybe, you know, Cory Booker. That be if your girl.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Idris Elba. Idris Elba.

[Van Lathan]

Hold on for a second.

[Joel Anderson]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Okay.

[Van Lathan]

You break up with your girl, Cory Booker, and you looking at Cory Booker. You looking at Cory Booker like he the man? No, I think about the lamest that's ever existed.

[Joel Anderson]

He's an impressive, though, man. You cannot deny he's a u. S. Senator, man. What are you acting. Why are you acting like this is a dude who is like, you know.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

We need more talk about Idris Elba.

[Van Lathan]

I just. Elba. Joel not be able to say names is one thing. It's actually very funny. My mom said. My mom said that we should actually stop because that. That she said that Joel is so smart and that there might be some developmental things that are going on because when you're as smart as Joel, I swear to God.

[Joel Anderson]

Stop it.

[Van Lathan]

My mom said. My mom said, when you write as.

[Joel Anderson]

You tell me that offline, don't say that. My mom. My mom.

[Van Lathan]

My mom with all Joel stuff. I got my mom on when Joel was at his previous place.

[Joel Anderson]

Me.

[Van Lathan]

My mother would listen to all of the stuff. My mother thinks the world of Joel. She could not believe that he was doing this podcast.

[Joel Anderson]

She thinks, oh, I love it.

[Van Lathan]

Thank you. But don't love it too much. All right? But she thinks that there's something up going on. Crystal. Crystal. Idris. She thinks that there's something going on. There's a thing there.

[Joel Anderson]

She thinks.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

I think that he has such comprehension of names and phonetics, you know what I mean? That maybe, like, he's trying to overanalyze the names. Maybe that's it.

[Joel Anderson]

I read more than I listen. And so I'm just. You know, this is a lot of me doing it phonetically or whatever. Okay. But I don't. You know, I guess maybe. I'm sure I've heard. Is it Idris? Idris. Idris.

[Van Lathan]

Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

Idris.

[Sponsor/Advertisement Voice]

Idris.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Idris.

[Van Lathan]

People say. People say Idris, but they never say what you said, which is, damn, my bad, man.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

That's the best part of the day.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm sorry, can I.

[Van Lathan]

Can I bring up a team? Speaking of joyless seasons?

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

We haven't really talked about them much this year. What do you guys think the future and the present is at Colorado right now?

[Joel Anderson]

Man.

[Van Lathan]

They were able to come back today and make the game respectable, but they were never a threat to win.

[Joel Anderson]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

They do not seem to be developing any players there in any ways that would make you believe that Colorado is going to be a team of note next year. It just kind of seems like it's over. Is it?

[Joel Anderson]

I think it's tough because if they can hold on to juju Lewis, like, juju, they. They let him start the day, and he did okay, right? Like, I mean, that just kind of.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Shows that it was common sense. When they asked him why he was starting, he said, common sense. Those were the two words. But again, he hasn't started all season long, so, yeah, he hadn't started. Common sense ain't common.

[Van Lathan]

What?

[Joel Anderson]

You got to give people a reason to think that there's something to look forward to. Right? And so, like, juju Lewis is that guy that was the top, you know, one of the top quarterback recruits. They got him out of Georgia, Um, and it was sort of a surprise that he was willing to go there. But he's a successor to Shador. That's who they're supposed to be building around. So you can see an argument for. It's not quite the Billy Napier thing, but it's like, look, next year, we bring juju back. We'll build a whole nother roster. And then that's when I would say to Deion, do you ever plan to recruit and build a foundation here? Right? Cause, like, doing this, turning over the roster every year and bringing in all these transfers, like, that's for programs with new coaches and. And, you know, like a Mac school or something like that, we don't. We should not have to do that. Like, the. The. The whole conceit of the Dion thing is kids will want to play for him. Well, like, show me, like, right, like, not just one big recruit a year where you focus on, like, bring in a bunch of guys, and then we can use the transfer portal to supplement that. But every year, they have to turn the roster over. Deion is not in great health. He's not getting any young. He's not getting any younger, and it, like, he gets further and further away from their heyday, and kids will move on. So, yeah, I. To your point, Van? I think. I don't know what Dion would be coming for next year unless he really is just, like, I love coaching college football, and I'm determined to make Colorado into a contender, but right now, they don't look any closer to being a contender than they did in the first year that he was there.

[Van Lathan]

Is it possible that Deion himself. Because when we talk about kids wanting to come play for Deion Sanders, obviously Deion just knows how to create cool. I mean, two things that he's been able to make in his career. He's been able to make a play, and he's been able to make a statement. Like. And there are very few athletes that do those things both at hall of Fame levels. Deion Sanders is a Hall of Fame athlete and a Hall of Fame personality as well. A great interview, a great. All of that stuff. Is it possible, though, that the. He did not take a long enough look at the current contemporary climate of college football? Meaning you. These are not the days where you are going into a kid's house and selling them on coming to play for the Buffs, like, we going to the chip. This is. I am Deion Sanders.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I got big X to plug. I got the rock. I got all these people coming to the games, but at the end of the day, you gonna talk to a Kid and to his parent and to his agent, and they gonna say, that's all well and good. You need to come up with a hundred thousand dollars. You need to come up with $100,000. And also, not only do you need to come up with that, you need to show how there is a robust pipeline.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Besides for your kids and for Travis Hunter to get right to the NFL from Colorado. And that takes some. You can't put a coat of paint over that. That takes a hard hat and a shovel and a sledgehammer. You have to build that structure. And I know that he could do it. The question is, does he have the stamina, the want and the energy to do that at Colorado if he doesn't have Shador and Travis Hunter? And I just don't know if that's the case.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

And Joel, you brought that up at the beginning of the season talking about how he's always coached his kids. So, like, what does it look like when he's not coaching his kids? And even when Shador came to game a couple of weeks ago, you could tell it moved him. I mean, I know the game wasn't so great for them, and they obviously got stomped in that game, but it didn't mean a lot for Dion to have Shador there. And I do feel like without that gravitational pull with his kids being involved, it does feel like it's a little bit flat right now.

[Joel Anderson]

It could be totally. It's totally understandable and reasonable for Dion to find out this year. Oh, it just doesn't feel the same. Shallow's not here. Shador is not here. They've moved on that, you know, we had our moment, and I'm not feeling great. Maybe it's time to move on. So. Yeah, absolutely. I. All of it is very human. And.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

And he's so good on tv. Like, we. We kind of almost need prime back on TV in the studio more so than we do, like, on the sidelines. I mean, not to, you know, disparage what he's doing as a coach, but I miss him in the studio.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I mean, the thing is. But if you're Colorado, it doesn't matter. You want him to stay, Right. Like you. I mean, yeah, of course. Like, I mean, maybe you don't want him to go three and nine again next year or whatever, but you would need him to stay because what. I mean, Colorado's been. Since Gary Barnett left, they've been looking. They've been trying. I guess McIntyre had a pretty decent year one year there about a decade ago, but they've been trying to find something and it just hasn't worked out because it's a totally new land. This is not the Bill McCartney era of Colorado football. Man, things have changed.

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[Van Lathan]

Some updates here. Texas A and M in Missouri, seven nothing. Who Oregon and Iowa.

[Joel Anderson]

Wait, who says seven? Who has zero in Texas A and M? Missouri.

[Van Lathan]

Texas A and M is up 7 nothing on Missouri, Oregon and Iowa 9 to 7. Oregon is leading that. A lot of people looking at that as a trap game for Oregon today. Miami and Syracuse scoreless.441 left in the first half. Or I tell you what.

[Joel Anderson]

Cristobal.

[Van Lathan]

Cristobal.

[Joel Anderson]

Crisco.

[Van Lathan]

Christ on the Cross. If they lose that game like, if they. If Miami around and loses the Syracuse, I'm going straight back to the jam. Uncle Luke part space.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I got.

[Joel Anderson]

We get. We get. I'm getting into that spaces tonight, bro. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

And they lost him last year after being up 21.

[Van Lathan]

Joe just said.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

What'd he say?

[Van Lathan]

Joe just said, I'm getting in that spaces to you. Getting in that spaces tonight, Joe. What the.

[Joel Anderson]

Come on, come on. Look at that, man. And I have. I have. I have proof in our text that he's the one that was bringing that daddy up again today, by the way.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, it doesn't matter when I say it. Oh, daddy is my thing. It matters that you agreed with it. You can't Daddy shame me. I said all the time, it was early. I said all the time, it was early.

[Joel Anderson]

I thought there was a. It was a way. It was a way for us to bond. I was being a good teammate. I was like, oh, you know, you know what? Van loves the daddy.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm trying to. Teammate. I didn't realize it was going to work against me, but now I know better. Now I'll never say daddy again. Wait, real quick. I want to answer because Mark Elliott asked this question earlier in the chat. Is IU doing what FSU did in the 90s, taking a traditional. No. Powerhouse school and creating one? I actually got one better for you. K State. K state in the 90s.

[Van Lathan]

Bill Snyder family Stadium.

[Joel Anderson]

Yep, that's right. That's right. They beat. And they. When they beat Nebraska in 1998, like, it was like Nebraska was the school that totally. Like Jimmy Burcher, old sports writer at the Fort Worth Star Telegram, said, I remember him saying in the newsroom once, he's like, you could roll. You could roll 11 Nebr. Corn husk helmets out on the field and K State would lose to him by four touchdowns. Like, that's. That. That's just how in K State's head, Nebraska was. And then they beat him in 98 and played in the Big 12 championship game. Now, they lost that, you know, on a miracle play, Texas A and M in overtime or whatever. Whatever. But K State, I feel like this is a very K State thing where Indiana is sort of announcing itself as a national presence. Like, will they ever get over the hump and do what K State did and went, you know, and never did and win a national championship. That remains to be seen. But it reminds me a lot of that, because K State, once upon time, one of the very worst programs in the country. And you don't People don't even think about that anymore today.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, yeah. They changed their reputation. Indiana has the added incentive. Well, not the added incentive, but they have the added advantage of playing in a college football landscape where the talent is a lot more spread out. So they might actually be able to do, to your point, what K State couldn't do, which is actually capture that national championship.

[Joel Anderson]

Van, you remember when you said the Big Ten had the biggest dick? Maybe you know, do you remember? Did you all know that there are four winless teams in the conference?

[Van Lathan]

Oh, wow.

[Joel Anderson]

Wisconsin, Michigan State, Penn State, and Purdue. They're all.04 in the. In the league right now. I don't think I've ever seen that before.

[Van Lathan]

Have y' all like that many teams?

[Joel Anderson]

That many teams?

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

You just gave the SEC more propaganda material, Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

Good job. I'm sorry. I know.

[Van Lathan]

Thank you. It just means more like it. What? What? What? Re. Read off those teams again.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, so at the bottom, these are the winless teams. And Wisconsin's playing now, Right?

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Wisconsin, winless in conference.

[Joel Anderson]

Winless in conference. Right. Yeah, winless. And Wisconsin, Michigan State, Penn State, Purdue.

[Van Lathan]

And by the way, some recognizable brands as well.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Like, not Fickle's coming back, by the way.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, some. Some recognizable brands there. Very, very interesting. I mean, you know, you'd have to look at the bottom of the sec. Why don't somebody look at the bottom of the SEC and kind of see what's going on there? But, you know, if you look to me right now at the class of college football, it.

[Joel Anderson]

You're.

[Van Lathan]

You're looking at Ohio State, Indiana, and then the second tier, the Big Ten, you look. You're looking at Oregon. I just think at the top of the league right now, they're just doing more than some of the SEC teams are doing. I'm not saying that it necessarily means that on the field, it will play out in a different way. I think actually, not only now, but really in the last couple of years, the Big Ten has. Has really made their move, and they've at least at this point, overtaken the SEC to be the premier conference in college football.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Yeah, they're right. There it goes. Yeah. What we talked about.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, it is what it. I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't give a. About that, dumbass. Like, I don't like. Like I'm gonna tell you, I don't give a. About that. That SEC scc.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, good. Great.

[Van Lathan]

Auburn loses every time they play. I don't give a who they play. I don't Care. Auburn lose. Bama lose. Florida lose. Ole Miss lose. All of you. You can lose. There is one team that I care about, and that is the LSU Fighting Tigers. Every other team I watch for fun. So if you go out there and you lose to some Big Ten school, you're not going to hear me being like, oh, my God, the sky's falling. I've never been like that.

[Joel Anderson]

That's so respectable. I appreciate that.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Van wins. The first time in your life, you were at a game. SEC game, and you heard the crowd chant sec scc. Because I remember when I first heard it. I want to. I want to. I want to see. When you first heard was later. Yeah, Exactly.

[Van Lathan]

In the 90s. It was. It was later. It. I might have been at a Florida. I would have to remember. But it was. It was deep into the 2000s, like after 2005 or 2006 or something like that, that I heard that being chanted. I can't remember, but it was.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

It wasn't 2010. It was 20. When I first heard a Chick Fil. A kickoff game, North Carolina, lsu, LSU fans were the first fans I ever heard.

[Van Lathan]

Chan.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Sec. Wow. They were the first ones I ever heard.

[Joel Anderson]

I was like, I didn't. Have some respect for yourself. I always. I always just thought, like, that's just. That shows you have no respect for yourself, man. You're like, oh, man, I gotta hop on Bama's dick to be excited.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Tennessee fans.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, talk that. Yeah. Like, what year was that? You have no right.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

2010.

[Van Lathan]

2010. So hopping on Bama's dick. LSU won two national championships in the 2000s. Everything is ahistorical. 2010.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

That's the first time I heard it. I don't know when they started.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, cool. I'm with it. You got it. Like, you got it.

[Joel Anderson]

We're talking about the. The 20. I'm thinking of the 2000 and tens. I'd move past what Tate was talking about. I'm talking about when the. When the. The fervor for that chant was at its loudest, which was about a decade ago, when Alabama.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

I'd say, like, 20. Yeah, 2015.

[Joel Anderson]

2014-15, something like that. And people were like, talking about it, and I'm like, you all riding on Alabama to talk this up. And I was like, I get it. Like the pro, but I just thought. I thought it.

[Van Lathan]

But that's also not true, though. So we gotta say, though, that's also not true. So let's say it was 2015 and somebody was chaining SEC, Auburn, had won a national championship and played for another one. Florida had won two national championships. LSU had won two national championships. If you like it was it. Alabama was the bellwether and they outlasted everyone and all the way until LSU gets back in 2019.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Georgia was like the consummate disappointment team.

[Joel Anderson]

Right. They were Penn State.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

And then they. Yeah, they couldn't get so.

[Van Lathan]

So I mean there had. And that's another thing that a lot of other. If you were doing the sec, SEC stuff. What the other conferences can't say is that we've had four or five schools from our conference win a national championship.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Even the reality being ranked number one in the country. Right. With Dak back in 2014.

[Joel Anderson]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

They.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

I mean there was moments where some of these other teams, Kim, DJ and Ole Miss, we talked about that team right when they. They came out and they were a top five program. There's a lot of teams.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean that in the mix again. Nobody's arguing against the greatness of the supremacy at the top of the league. I just thought it showed a lack of dignity. Like I just would never. You would never see a T. When Texas won games or whatever or when Texas went down to beat Bama when they. In the last year of the Big 12 and they won it, they won in Tuscaloosa, I wasn't like, man, Big 12, big, big, Big 12 win for us. I was like, man, Texas, I'm so. I did not want them to win that game.

[Van Lathan]

But anyway, I get it. Auburn is now up 143 on Vandy, man. What happens if Vandy. What happens if. And Auburn has the ball? What happens. Vanderbilt is at home. What if Andy loses, man?

[Joel Anderson]

Is.

[Van Lathan]

Is what. What if Vandy loses? Hey man, what happened to our little swagged out QBs? What happened to Castellanos and Papia? If Papia. If our two little. If our two guys r too many Manzels, if they both get sent packing to the back. To the back of the book, what happens then? Do we lose? Diego Pavia, if Vanderbilt loses this game, is he no longer a story man?

[Joel Anderson]

Wait, do you think he would not. That's a good question. If they lose.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Yeah, I think it's a wrap. If they lose this game, you don't.

[Joel Anderson]

Think he gets to go to New York then? You think? No. Really? Okay.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

No, I mean I think he gets slotted out because Marcel Reed, the real Johnny Manziel playing at Manza Dell's alma mater. I think he. He slots in as the guy going to New York, you know What? I mean, Marcel Reed's had a great year, and he's dating SUNY Lee, which is like that. That's a Manzel move.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

We haven't talked about that.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man. Good for him, bro.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, the Marcel Reed soon.

[Joel Anderson]

How did he pull it up?

[Van Lathan]

That matters. But let me tell you why it matters, man.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

That matters.

[Van Lathan]

Because I. I'll tell you why it really matters. And this is. This is. Look, Texas A and M, y' all came to lsu. Y' all did y' all thing. Bygones. Bygones Be by. I'm not rooting against you guys. You know, you got the gat that's dick riding. Like. I'm not. I'm not saying. This is what I'm saying. The Suny Lee thing is interesting, and it's interesting because Suny Lee was in NBA circles. She was hanging out at games. She was on the sidelines. I think, like, OG Anunoby saw her on the sidelines, score, like, 150 points. He was going crazy.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

But none of those guys, none of these other. She ends up with the QB of Texas A and M. Marcel Reed was the man. He became a 1.5 or 2.0. I would have to consult my brother.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Because he got SUNY leash. He got to be a 2.0.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

I'll say. I'll say 2.0.

[Joel Anderson]

2.0.

[Van Lathan]

He became a 2.0. He made himself a 2.0. That's an underreported story. That matters.

[Joel Anderson]

It makes you think. It makes you think, right? Like, it's kind of like, oh, man. You can just kind of imagine a guy like that would have the respect of his locker room. Right. He's like, okay, I kind of. Because.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

But it would be.

[Van Lathan]

What would they have even met?

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

I don't even know. I think that feels like an Instagram relationship. But if you think about those three quarterbacks, Mendoza, you already said Heisman.

[Joel Anderson]

Right.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Candidate. Probably the favorite. Right. Saying at Ohio's gonna be there.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Simpson at Alabama, and then Marcel Reed.

[Joel Anderson]

They only got to do four. Really? I mean, they only. They can just do four or five.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Those are the four.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's probably.

[Van Lathan]

Those are the four I said earlier. I feel like for. Fernando Mendoza has locked up the Heisman. I mean, he's got a lock on the Heisman right now. There's so much football left to be played. So I feel like he has a lock on the award right now. You know, we talked about the fact that this day was supposed to be a watershed day. With some of the huge marquee matchups. And I read this thing from our friend Todd McShay has been doing some great reporting on the state of the draft. Right? Great reporting from Tom McShay on the state of the draft. Some people are saying Lenore's Sellers might end up at Miami. Okay. They're talking about some of the movement in these QBs. And they're also talking.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

I've heard Sellers might be going to North Carolina. Just throwing it out there.

[Van Lathan]

Lenor Sellers to North Carolina.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's right. And he's down there.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

I had some big Carolina meetings this weekend.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I was gonna say, you right down there. You talking to Mike. Mike was like, I got. I got.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Hey, by the way, J.D. craig, you're on the line.

[Joel Anderson]

All right, I want some prop. Look, if y'. All. You know what? Because I. You know, I'm sure maybe. I'm sure they already knew about him.

[Van Lathan]

But why would Lenora Sales go to North Carolina?

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Man, he wanted to go to North Carolina in the first place. We took Drake May over him.

[Van Lathan]

That's double. Y' all put this man in the back of Sutton's drugstore.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

So if you're giving him. Wow.

[Van Lathan]

There'S no way I'm coming back to himself afterward and get my own booth. No, you already made me see, they are getting better.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's built. And that's built.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

By the way, I skipped out on the. I. I skipped out on the first class UNC football experience to be here with you guys. That's how much I love you both.

[Van Lathan]

You were supposed to go to the game right now. Oh, I was supposed to be with.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Jordan, by the way. I'm supposed to be sitting in a suite with Jordan on TV right now.

[Joel Anderson]

Wow.

[Van Lathan]

Wow.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

In a basement. That's how much I love the show. Guy.

[Joel Anderson]

What happened was. Guy, you should have went in there with that.

[Van Lathan]

They heard all the. That's been talked about. Jordan and what's the other name that Pablo lit up? What's his name?

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Lombardi.

[Van Lathan]

My co. Lombardi, like Vince Lombardi's son. And all of these people, they. They heard all of this stuff. You're probably Persona non grata around there right now, bro.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Man, we had a great time last night at the Carolina basketball game. It was beautiful.

[Joel Anderson]

Beautiful. It is funny, though, because, I mean, he's not, you know, I mean, the Vince Lombardi thing, man, I just.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

I disavowed the whole conversation, you know what I mean? Like, when we were having our conversation about it, I just disavowed so therefore I was free. You know, not my fault.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. All right. I'm just here and I, and I'm not really even saying anything negative about homeboy man, you know, I mean, just, but I was, I was like, just look at the work that was out there on the roster. But again, to our credit, to, to their credit, they look better.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Nor Sellers.

[Joel Anderson]

They look better. And yeah, they look better. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

But to the McShade thing, don't do.

[Joel Anderson]

It a little Norris.

[Van Lathan]

The, the conversation was about twofold. I think these conversations kind of are a tether to one another. Number one, about the fact that the, when they were having votes on who QB1 was for college football back in September, the names were Klubnick, Lenora Sellers, Garrett Nussmeier. Those were the guys, right? Those names are all gone. And this draft has become a really mediocre quarterback draft for, especially in comparison to what it was supposed to be. That also is connected to the fact that some of these teams haven't succeeded. What does it mean for the rest of the year on days like today where the fact that your Penn states, your LSU's, your Clemsons, all your Florida states, if you want to put them up there, they all fell off so hard that a lot of our marquee matchups are just not marquee matchups anymore. They're just not like it, it's, it's, it's weird. We're in the weird upside down of college football. Like, our Saturdays are gonna look different because a lot of these teams, the.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Bit who did McShay have number one? He had Mendoza number one.

[Van Lathan]

Now Mendoza, Mendoza seems to be the number one guy now.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

That is unbelievable.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I mean the thing is though is if you remember, I think I, I, I couldn't tell how serious people were about this, about the Drew Aller and Cade Clubnik thing, because I never, I mean I, I always thought going into this year was always going to be a weak QB draft. And even the Lenore Sellers thing, I, I'm not saying that Lenor Sellers, he's not toolsy, he's not like Anthony Richard, Anthony Richardson esque, or whatever, but I just had not seen evidence that that's a first round quarterback yet, man. And so I always was just kind of like, this must be a year of we're just guessing. Like this is a, we're hoping everybody kind of lives up to whatever their recruiting profile was. I mean, of course the Arch Manning thing as much as anything, right? But yeah, but they never, they never panned out. But I was just like, why do people think the K club, Nick is good? Why do people think Drew Aller is good? Like, is it just because they're 6:3 and you know, whatever. I just, I didn't, the, the Nussmar thing, we went over that at the beginning of the year too. I was just like, I just, I, I know he was productive. I just didn't see a first round QB there, that's all. And so, you know. Yeah, so that's.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

You didn't even mention Arch Manning, right? I mean, we had Arch Manning.

[Van Lathan]

Arch Manning, of course, yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

I think Archman is playing better, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's kind of, he's not what we thought he was going to be, but by the end of the year he might be something an approximate of that.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I mean I actually am impressed with Arch's resilience to a degree. It, sometimes it's, you know, it's not necessarily coming together on the field, but he's staying in there. He doesn't seem to be mentally cracking. He has the complete support, it seems like, of his team, of his coach, I guess, of the fan base. Although they have wavered from time to time. I'm impressed to see him fight through it all and make some plays, man. A lot of people might have, might have not been able to handle the adversity mentally, you know.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I mean, that's kind of, I mean, just think about, I mean again, like, nobody needs to feel sorry for Archman and he's going to be fine. Right. But I just thought about all the pressure that he faced going in and you know, I talked to Chris Sims about this for a story I did earlier this season and it was just like, yo, the pressure, the people, all their eyes are on you, like Austin, that is their professional team, the University of Texas. So people are looking at you when you go around and if you're having a difficult time, it's kind of hard to run, right? You're going, you, you're right there in town. And so I was just thinking, I was like, man, for Arch to be playing this poorly in front of everybody with those expectations, like that must just at night, every night, I just kind of wondered how he was dealing with it. But obviously the kid is resilient and yeah, that's things starting to seem to be coming around and, and if anything at this point, I wouldn't even say Arch is the problem. I was like, we just need his offensive line to grow up a little bit. Around him to help him out a little bit more. I wouldn't, you know, I, it, it was a time when you could say Arch was the weak link. And I don't even feel that way anymore.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

And I think the teammate aspect is a good point that Van brought up. The fact that the teammates actually have stood 10 toes down with Arch the entire time. That that would be the sign that, like, he is kind of hatable if he doesn't have his locker room behind him, but they've always stayed really behind him. Matir is another name we didn't mention that is going to be.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah. As well.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Obviously had the injury as well. So, I mean, there were a bunch of quarterbacks that we talked about at the beginning of the season. It definitely has changed. Someone did point out it was the NFL GMS, not McShay, that had Mendoza as the number one QB one. So I just wanted to clarify that. They also have said in the chat that I wish I was Jordan. I don't even know what that means. I don't know what that means, but I do not, I do not want to be Jordan. I am not a sugar baby mixed up my stories.

[Van Lathan]

It was McShade that said that Sellers is coming back and the GMS that were doing the, the QB1 situation. How would you wish that you, if you were Jordan, if you were Jordan Tate, how would you fix the situation at North Carolina if you were her?

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

I would have much better pr. I would, I would have done a lot, a lot more things differently. You know what I mean? But she, you know, she, she's doing what she's got to do. She was not at the basketball game. I, I did see Lombardi and his lovely wife Millie had a nice chat. I did not see Jordan. Bill Belichick was not at the game. Also at the game. A lot of. Mark Turgeon, former Maryland basketball coach at the game. Larry Brown got to talk to him at the game last night. Larry Brown, that's my guy.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, can we, can we have, you know, we could almost do ring or tailgate for cop. Can we have a little basketball?

[Joel Anderson]

What are you doing? Don't do that.

[Van Lathan]

Don't do this. Can we have this, a small college basketball segment? I want to ask you something, Tate.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

They cancel my show. Van. I'm out.

[Van Lathan]

I, I, I know, I know.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

You don't get free takes.

[Van Lathan]

That's that, that, that's why I stopped myself from saying it because I was like, we're gonna like. I want to ask you something with all of your knowledge Darren Peterson, number one pick. Okay, so listen to me. Let's talk about Darren Peterson real quick. This is for to be broken out. I want the whole world to have this conversation. Darren Peterson is nice. I'm looking at it and I'm seeing, but I'm hearing, has he already signed with Clutch or something? I'm hearing an agenda that is so crazy. Like no agenda I've seen for a college basketball player in a long time. Tate. Darren is Kobe. Darren is Kobe. Darren is Kobe. Darren is Kobe. Darren is Kobe. Over and over and over again. Bill Simmons himself. Simmons himself, number one Kobe hater ever.

[Joel Anderson]

He is.

[Van Lathan]

Haven't seen anything like this since Kobe. This kid's great. This kid's great. What the. I'm not saying that he not nice. He is nice. He got up and. And Kansas got up by the kid from North Carolina. But what is everybody seeing with Darren Peterson that is making everyone just go, Kobe, Kobe, Kobe. Kobe, Kobe, Kobe, Kobe, Kobe, Kobe. Consensus number one pick, greatest thing since sliced bread. Best guard prospect in 20 years.

[Joel Anderson]

Really?

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Like, he's not a better prospect than Derrick Rose. He's not a better prospect than Derrick Rose, in my opinion. I think John Wall would be in that conversation with him. I do think I understand the fact that he is talked about as a generational guy because he did not play well last night in the Dean Dome and he still had 22 points and was by far their best player. So for a guard to be able to have an off game and still give you that kind of production, that is a very special quality. I think the Kobe stuff is more mindset than anything. But in reality, Caleb Wilson, this man had a hit list on his phone and was like, I played in the McDonald's All American Game with Darren Peterson and he didn't pass me the ball. So therefore I had to kill him last night. And Caleb Wilson was the best player on the floor. If you don't know the name now, you know it now.

[Joel Anderson]

Van, say what you said about Caleb in the test.

[Van Lathan]

That's gotta stay in the thread. That's gotta stay in the thread.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, no. That gotta stay the thread.

[Van Lathan]

That's got stay in the thread.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

He's going up against AJ And Darren. He's outplayed them both.

[Joel Anderson]

All right. Gotta give him some.

[Van Lathan]

That's got stay in the thread.

[Joel Anderson]

All right.

[Van Lathan]

I just wondering. I was just wondering. I. I see him, I see the mentality, I see the scoring ability. I see all of that stuff, but it. Am I tripping or was a young Kobe Bryant A smidge more athletic than Darren Peterson.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

I mean, Kobe's. Kobe's a freak. I would say that, you know, Darren Peterson's a freak too. So. I don't know. I mean, you'd have to. It's like kind of like apples to apples at some point. I think they're both. I mean, Darren's a point guard too, so, I mean, it's a little bit different because he knows how to play the position as a point guard and be a facilitator as well. I'm trying to figure out who he signed with. That's the interesting part, because I. I.

[Van Lathan]

Don'T think he is a God. Clutch man. It's got this. This is the clutch agenda. And it's.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

In fact, it feels clutchy and. Yeah, it does.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. So we already. We. We like. It's. This is the clutch. It's gotta be clutch. Watch.

[Joel Anderson]

Just.

[Van Lathan]

It's gonna be. You're gonna. We're gonna look it up. It's gonna be a picture of him and Rich like this. Are you gonna be on the shop next week? Like, it's. It's. It's. It's got. It's gotta be clutch, man. I'm seeing the agenda, but he does look like he is a player. But I've just. Just kind of. All the talks just been crazy. Oregon is kicking a field goal. It is 9 7.

[Joel Anderson]

You see that field? Do you see what that weather is like at that stadium right now?

[Van Lathan]

I do see it.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Someone brought up Joel in the chat. They wanted to ask you what's the worst weather you ever played in as a. As a college?

[Joel Anderson]

Worst.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Just as high school, I guess. Whenever.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Well.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

So he's a Wasserman guy. Van. He's a WASP guy.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, okay. Was Shout Out.

[Van Lathan]

Wow.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Shout Out. Team wasp. I like wasp.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man. Was Shout Out.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

My guy, BJ Armstrong.

[Joel Anderson]

I got my. My homeboy. My boy B. Hicks, man. He's. He's a Washington guy. So you. So, yeah, when I. I didn't play in this game, but I was on the sideline for it. We had to go up.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

That's even worse though, right? Like you'd rather play in the shitty weather than have to just stand there on the sidelines.

[Joel Anderson]

Absolutely. It was like cold and lightly snowing in Utah at night my freshman year. We went up there and got our ass kicked. Chris Fuwatu, my father, man. £270. That coming at you in freezing weather, bro. Like that.

[Van Lathan]

That.

[Joel Anderson]

That was miserable in high school. The coldest weather I ever played in was like 55 degrees. And I remember I, I remember being asking my coach, I remember asking my cousin, coach, do you think I need some sleeves tonight, man? Because it's kind of chilly out here. And he was just like, son, go some cross some nuts, man. What is. It's not. Just not cold out here today.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

I bet you had that to a mentality.

[Joel Anderson]

55 felt cold in Houston to me in 1990. I was like, man, this is kind of chilly out here, man. We, we bring out our coats in Houston when it's 55 degrees. Like that's real winter weather down there, I think. Sleeves up.

[Van Lathan]

7. Second and goal at the Missouri 1. It going into the halftime situation, I told. We talked about the fact going into the halftime situation or going into halftime, if Van can speak English. We talked about the fact that it would be a great idea for Missouri to get a win against a big program.

[Joel Anderson]

Yep.

[Van Lathan]

Going into the house, that would be a good idea. They're going to be fighting an uphill battle, looks like.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Yeah, I mean, couple, couple quick hitters. I wanted to get out. Last night. Tulane knocked off Memphis. Memphis was in the playoff. They were the highest ranked G5 team. It looks like they're going to be out of the conversation now. So, I mean, that was a pretty big story. I just wanted to get. Did you guys see this game last night and did you have any thoughts about Tulane being back? You know what I mean? They look good in this game, man.

[Joel Anderson]

You know what? I really thought they were going to go down there and their season was going to end in a banner speaking. Because the way they looked at that UTSA game the week before, I was like, oh, they looked a mess and they could not, they couldn't stop anything UTSA was doing. Like Owen McCown went like the, the UTSA quarterback and that game went like 29 for 31 or something against them. And they just, there's. They could do nothing to stop them. And so the idea that they were able to put it all back together again, you know that their head coach John Sumrall is being whispered about for all these SEC jobs but for the LSU and basically. Right. Like, I mean, he seems like a potential candidate at Florida or Auburn, Arkansas, and for whatever reason they were able to put it back together. They went on the road and, and, and beat up Memphis pretty good. Memphis just. The defense didn't show up Friday night. And the funny thing is, man, I just, I know that this is college football now, but I was following somebody, man, a Memphis fan. And they're already like, man, let's get Silverfield's ass out of here. Ryan Silver, head coach of Memphis, he's like, he's always losing these big games. There's no, no excuse for him. Never played in the conference championship game. I don't know how the entire Memphis fan base feels about that, that cat, but it was just like, I was surprised to see that there were so many people being like, yeah, man, we're sick of this.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Like, you know, I saw Arkansas for him. I, I, I saw that he was already looking at Arkansas. I mean, he might, they might get their wish. He might leave them.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, he might get to leave him and go on over there. And I mean, it is, I mean, that's a hard loss for Memphis, man. Like, they, I mean, they should have won that game. They should be playing in the conference championship. There's no excuse for them not to. But I guess it just speaks really well of the program that John Sumrall, he was able to get it back together again with Tulane.

[Van Lathan]

Are we looking at a particularly dangerous year in terms of the teams that are going to come out of the, the, the, the group of five? Are these teams that are going to be sort of battle tested in a, you know, last year you had the expanded playoff, but things went the way they were supposed to go, right? I mean, Ohio State, which was by far the most talented roster with fantastic coaching bus all their way through to the national championship, played some tough games, but, but, but got there. You know, SMU and some of these other teams could really stand up to the, the more traditional powers of college football. Might the playoff be different this year? Might a Tulane or some of these other schools give people a little bit more of a scare because they're, they're so battle tested with what's going on and all of that. And you know, things have contracted a little bit in terms of the talent, the performances. Is, is Tulane a scary team going into a playoff?

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, if Tulane had to play one of Virginia, Georgia Tech or Pittsburgh.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

I think two, I think Tulane would be Virginia.

[Joel Anderson]

Wow. Really? That's not your issue.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Fraud in football right now?

[Joel Anderson]

We never even talk UVA football here, man.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

I mean, North Carolina should have beat Virginia. I mean, let's be honest about that team. I mean, Wazoo shouldn't be Virginia. Wazoo.

[Joel Anderson]

Wow. Fraud.

[Van Lathan]

Fraud. Watch with Tay Frazier.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

It's okay. It's okay. But I'm just saying, I think that, I think Louisville is a much better team than Virginia.

[Van Lathan]

Virginia, the biggest fraud. Who are the other Big frauds in college football tape. Who are the fraud? You're so angry.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Speaking. I'm speaking of the acc.

[Van Lathan]

You know, Tate, what's. What's been getting into you lately? You've been so angry lately.

[Joel Anderson]

Remember he accused the committee, the playoff committee of payola on Wednesday, man. I was like, damn, Tate, I do.

[Van Lathan]

Have to admit something real quick. And we. Me and Joel, more so me, but Joel, too, if I'm being real. We have to apologize to Sutton's Drugstore, man.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Oh, yeah, please. Oh, and a lot of people come up to me about this, by the way, in Chapel Hill. They were like, you better get your co host right. Need to tell them the history of something. Basketball players that were saying this.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, all right. I don't like the.

[Van Lathan]

Hold on. Oh, wait a minute now.

[Joel Anderson]

The way they were gonna talk to us, man.

[Van Lathan]

I was like, hold on, Tate. That was the essence.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Hey, by the way, I think UNC football is losing right now.

[Van Lathan]

There's people commenting, you better get your co host right.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, get them boys in order.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Come on now.

[Joel Anderson]

All right, all right. I don't want them to say it like that.

[Van Lathan]

You better. You better get those. You better get those God damn boys right. God damn Suttons.

[Joel Anderson]

Remember. Remember when all them folks for Utah reached out to you to get us right, too, man.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

I will say I haven't heard from them since they.

[Joel Anderson]

Y'.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

All. Y' all really got them shook.

[Van Lathan]

There's a lot of people reaching out to you to keep us in control.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I know. I know people think. I know. Yeah, it's 20, 25. I know people think the country is going a certain way, but I mean, they, they. It ain't going to work like that.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

I'm just trying to look at this Carolina football score. Do you guys have it? I need the score.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, hold on.

[Van Lathan]

You know, so I just want to say, unlike many. This is the write up. Unlike many other establishments at the time, Sutton's Drugstore in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, always allowed black people to sit at the lunch counter and receive service. This made it a notable exception because it was the essence that was going on during the era of widespread racial segregation, particularly compared to. To other local businesses like Colonial Drugstore. Colonial Drugstore, like we talked about, was the end of the drugstore. Really, Tate, what should be done is some kind of documentary or some kind of movie about the drugstore war of Chapel Hill, where you guys seemingly had one drugstore Suttons that was cool. Well, and then another drugstore that wasn't cool.

[Joel Anderson]

Don't go, too.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Let's make it.

[Joel Anderson]

Don't go too far. Because somebody had reached out to me and they said, hey, Joel, does that mean the Suttons was in the Green book? And so I had to actually go to the Green book. You know what I'm saying? I got a. I got two green books.

[Van Lathan]

You have an actual copy of the Green.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah. I got two copies of the Green books. Yeah. So nothing from Chapel Hill made it into any of these editions.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Maybe they cared about Colonial Drugstore.

[Joel Anderson]

But Henderson. Henderson actually has a couple. Couple spots. That's what Tate is from. Henderson. What do you know about Mrs. Betch at 219 Rock Spring street that you could get a cab at Green and Green and Chavis. 720 Eaton street in Henderson, man, I know Eaton Street. You don't remember that? Yeah. Now, Henderson didn't make it on here, but nothing in Chapel Hill. Nothing. Now, Raleigh had some stuff. You know this. Winston Salem.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Winston Salem had a couple.

[Van Lathan]

What does that mean? We. And we can move on because it's always fun to mess with Tate. But what does it mean?

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

It's 3 0, by the way. Carolina's winning and people are going after us. You know, I don't know what's going on.

[Van Lathan]

Like, they saying what.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

There's people like Carolina football is getting embarrassed right now. I mean, look, Stanford's terrible. It's 3 0, North Carolina. I don't know what's going on. I thought my score was wrong.

[Van Lathan]

Let's look at the scores. Let's see what's happening.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Where's Carolina football? I don't see the score of the game, man.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

It's three zero.

[Joel Anderson]

This is so. I mean, look, I can kind of do.

[Van Lathan]

We talked about.

[Joel Anderson]

Dion.

[Van Lathan]

Is. Tate. Is the Belichick thing. Is the ship riding. Is.

[Joel Anderson]

Are you.

[Van Lathan]

Is. Is Belichick building?

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

I never left.

[Joel Anderson]

He's got to come back.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

I believed. I believe when the ark was being built, you know what I mean? I saw. I saw the animals corralling around, and everyone was like, let's get on this ark. Let's believe in the builder. No, I'm. You know, I think Belichick will figure it out. They just need a quarterback. They don't have a quarterback.

[Joel Anderson]

So, I mean.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

I mean.

[Joel Anderson]

And they almost come back next year, right? I mean, there's no.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

There's never going anywhere else. Everything that was written was wrong. The Athletic actually took down that article because it was so misreported. But I haven't heard anybody talk about that. You know what I mean, except for me.

[Joel Anderson]

Tape be wearing the media outlet, man. You be going after the media tape.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Because I like real reporting. I like real reporting. I went to school for it. I was, I was back this weekend on the J school board and we were talking about real reporting. It's gone. We eat it back.

[Joel Anderson]

All right, man.

[Van Lathan]

Whoa. Hey. You going crazy right now. Are you telling me right now. Are you accusing the athletic of shoddy reporting as it relates to Alma mater?

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

That was completely incorrect. They said that the athletic director had a meeting and the athletic director wasn't even in town.

[Joel Anderson]

Somebody said it, man. He's holding them experts accountable.

[Van Lathan]

Accountable.

[Joel Anderson]

He lives this. He lives this man. He lives. Yeah.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Every day.

[Joel Anderson]

That's right. That's right.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

It's not my place, it's not my place to call it out, but sometimes you got to, you know, make the T shirts.

[Van Lathan]

Auburn, Vanderbilt has scored. They have cut the margin of the game to seven points. Auburn has the ball. They probably won't be able to do much with it. It's about 55 seconds.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

It could be more heartbreak for Auburn or maybe Vanderbilt keeps their super slim playoff chances alive by winning the game against Auburn at home.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Things, it feels like Vanderbilt and Indiana are kind of like, you know, they're similar teams that are just trying to prove a point to the rest of the world that we are who we think you or who we are supposed to be. And it feels like they could win this game. That would be nice. Even if it's not a pretty game and they can figure out a way to win, that would be a nice way to have a Saturday. So hopefully they figure it out. Van, parting shots. We've been going for quite some time. We got some big games happening, obviously. Lsu, Alabama, we'll talk about that on Wednesday. We'll also have reactions to the rankings on Tuesday. We'll see if Indiana stays where they were or if they move down, depending on what Texas A and M does against Mizzou. But parting shots for you, Van. And any thoughts on Vegas. Any, any big plans for you in Vegas?

[Van Lathan]

No, nothing. I was in Vegas right now. So I got to the hotel and my room wasn't ready. So I, I, I watched the games at the sports book. I was watching the games, the early games of sports book at the hotel.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, nice.

[Van Lathan]

Which is very fun. And I have my LSU on, which I wear every Saturday for tailgate. And you forget that it's different when you wear your team stuff in the sports book at Vegas because people start asking you like this guy, I'm sitting there, this guy taps and he goes, you think LSU covered today? And I'm like, they could. It's 10. And he goes, no, but you think they will. Like, what do you know? And I was like, I don't know anything. It's. How closely do you follow the team? Is the quarterback gonna play? I'm like, yeah, he's going, I promise y'. All. This happened. I'm like, yeah, he's going to play. I think the team is going to play. Inspired. He's like, yeah, that looks like a good number, man. That looks like a good. Thank you, thank you. And then he walks away. I'm like, this motherfucker tweaking. You know what I'm saying?

[Joel Anderson]

Like.

[Van Lathan]

And you see all the guys filling their shit out. This motherfucker is tweaking. I landed at this like eight. It was motherfuckers in there at the tables doing they fucking thing. They tweaking out today. A lot of the halves, a lot of rich got richer. Ohio State wins a non competitive game against Purdue, Georgia, Mississippi State, Ole Miss over the Citadel last night. SC over Northwestern. A game that was a little tight in the beginning, but SC was able to pull away. Interesting games coming up. Lsu, Alabama will be fun. It will be low leverage watching for a lot of Tigers fans to see what the team looks like and how they can show up and compete. But Navy, Notre Dame. Navy. That is Navy. Notre Dame. Notre Dame is a gigantic favorite in that game. A huge favorite in that game. But does Navy know something that we don't know? We shall see.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

I like that. That's a 1950s game right there between those two teams back when they were good. So that'll be a good one. Joel, any parting shots?

[Joel Anderson]

Well, no, man, you know, I can't wait to. To watch some of these games. I wish we were going a little later, you guys. Having to do means that I have to watch my kids instead of watch football games the rest of the night now. You know what I'm saying? So now I'm gonna have to tap back in. And why? I mean, I guess YouTube TV is eventually going to get the. I don't.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Yeah, let's get it together. Apparently Billy Gill reached out to us. Apparently YouTube TV is going to offer a 20 credit to subscribers if the deal isn't reached by tomorrow. I don't even know what that's gonna do for us.

[Van Lathan]

Him. You know what? I can't wait. Billy, like, Billy's gonna be back on with us Wednesday. I got.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Yeah, we're bringing Billy back.

[Van Lathan]

But. But them $20. Yeah. Hard this dumbass is. I was in the sports book, looking at all the screens and going, this used to be my life. Fix the. Now we sick of it. There's too much that's going on, bro. Everybody all up. Nobody got their benefits and all of this kind of going on, and we got to worry about y' all and y'.

[Joel Anderson]

All.

[Van Lathan]

104, 50 billion dollar problems. Put the games back on the TV and do it now.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

You only a trillion dollar company versus a billion dollar company.

[Joel Anderson]

You only get so many weeks of football, man. You only get so many Saturdays. I always used to say that, man, they go by so fast. This is two Saturdays. They fucked up.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

We've lost two.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Like, get this shit together, man. I'm so tired of it. And the other thing I want to say, as a Texan, man, I'm proud of Texas Tech, man. You know, it's hard. It is hard for the. It's real easy to look at Texas Tech. And Texas Tech, for most of my life has been a 6 and 5, 7 and 4 program, right? Like, but with the, you know, the highs of the Mike Leach era or whatever. But mostly that is what they have been. And so, like, for college game day to be there today, to have that atmosphere there, and it's just got, you know, it just. It reminds me of when tcu, like, you wouldn't think that you could build a powerhouse there. Like, people had never seen it before, but Texas, to the earlier point, Texas Tech did it in a really interesting way. They hired Joey McGuire, who was not a coordinator, he was an assistant coach, but a big time Texas high school coach. And we had a lot of connections. And then they've decided, hey, we're going to really invest. And it's like you can just see the building of something there. And so I. Look, man, I always kind of thought Texas Tech was cool because I like them colors, you know, like the black and red. I feel like they could. They can. I've always felt like, man, y' all could be doing more with y' all colors, though, man. Your scheme is kind of dope. And it just. It never quite all came together. But I'm. I'm excited for Texas Tech, man. And I think, you know, that unless something horrible happens, they pretty much already won their way into the Big 12 championship game, so. Shout out. Shout out Texas Tech. Shout out Lubbock. Shout out the Red Raiders. Shout out Spike Dykes. Spike Dykes. Not Sonny Dykes. Who's losing to Iowa State at halftime right now.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

I like the shout outs and shout out. Yeah, I like the, the nice little Texas love there and Texas Tech. I mean, just as an athletic program, the basketball team could win the national championship. The football team could be the playoff competing for a national championship. So the Red Raiders, they're rolling right now.

[Joel Anderson]

So, yeah, man, I mean, they were really, they were second. They were seconds away from winning the national championship basketball a couple years ago.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Oh, yeah, Virginia, that was still, I was at that game. That was one of the craziest national of games ever. Yeah, big shot in the corner. Deandre Hunter hit in that game for Virginia. Big three there. But yeah, great matchup. This has been a great show. Been a lot of fun. Appreciate everybody tuning in to Riger Tailgate. I will tease this moving forward starting next Saturday. There are some rumblings there. We're, we're going to be able to start a little bit later. I don't know if you guys have heard about this.

[Joel Anderson]

What?

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

Yeah, we're, yeah, we're, we're, there's some, there's some talk that, you know, I.

[Joel Anderson]

Want no beef with Todd. Okay.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

McShay's McShade doesn't start till the last five minutes of the fourth quarter. So they're saying maybe we can push our show back. We're gonna do some back end stuff. We're gonna figure out the buffering and we might be starting a little bit later, but we'll see what happens.

[Joel Anderson]

The way Todd been talking about Paul Finebaum and, you know, James Franklin, I don't want no beef, man.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

No, we got no beef with Todd. Todd's a teammate. You can watch McShay and Mitch later tonight. We appreciate everybody tuning in to Ringer Tailgate and we will see you guys on Wednesday and we'll have Billy Gill back in the mix. We'll see you then.

[Van Lathan]

Here we go.

[Host (possibly Bill Simmons or a Ringer Tailgate host)]

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