CFB Week 12 LIVE Reactions: Alabama, USC, Texas-Georgia and More!

Summary

Ringer Tailgate – CFB Week 12: Live Reactions

Host: The Ringer
Date: November 16, 2025
Panel: Van Lathan, Joel Anderson, Tate Frazier (+ Billy, occasional guest and chat interaction)

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Main Theme & Purpose

This live episode delivers real-time reactions and deep discussion on a monumental Week 12 in College Football, with a focus on wild SEC comebacks, the evolving hierarchy between the SEC and Big 12, rapid playoff calculus, coaching controversies, and the unique blend of fun, banter, and cultural tangents that define the Ringer Tailgate atmosphere. The squad gives smart, irreverent takes while the chat weighs in, creating a true CFB “hangout” mode.

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Key Topics and Takeaways

1. Texas A&M’s Historic Comeback vs. South Carolina

• [06:44] Joel leads off with the stat that SEC teams were 0-286 when trailing by 27+ points… until today, when Texas A&M stormed back.
• Van: “I did not know what was going on. Texas A&M put together one of the worst halves of football I’ve ever seen any elite team play…The entire college football watching public was like, are they throwing this football game? This looks terrible.”—[07:30]
• Joe: “I was about as impressed as I’ve been with Texas A&M in a damn near generation… They looked really crisp and efficient and confident in a way that I just—I can’t remember seeing an Aggies team like this in a long time.”—[10:25]
• Big narrative: Aggies’ win is less signature, more proof-of-resilience; a real barometer of their transformed culture under pressure.

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2. South Carolina Meltdown & Coach Shane Beamer’s Future

• [13:19] The panel notes South Carolina blew their “shot at joy.”
• Van: “They fucked it. It was embarrassing in the second half.”
• Joe: “This was a disappointing year for a team…like, there’s no way they would fire Shane Beamer, right? But it seems to me… that (the fans) are fed up with that man.”—[14:47]
• Van: "They want to wed and be married to the excellence of Shane Beamer, but they are in a perpetual talking stage because he won't take the next step.” —[20:33]
• Joel: Adds that Beamer is “too emotional in games,” frustrates fans with his sidelines poker face.

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3. Big 12 Invading the SEC & Conference Realignment Fallout

• [30:59] Joe’s big reaction: "The old Big 12 has made the SEC even bigger, even better."
• Points out that Texas, A&M, and Oklahoma are now among the SEC’s toughest, vindicating critics wondering if “they’d get tougher fast enough.”
• Van’s Context: “What people did not see during the time that this happened is how much college football had changed… Dominance in college football is pretty much out the window.”—[36:31]
• Joel: “When we look at today, Oklahoma goes into Bama and beats them for the second year in a row. And they won in a way people never thought — defense first, made them one-dimensional.”—[32:43]

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4. Alabama's Loss, Fanbase Expectations, and the “New Normal”

• [24:39] Van makes Alabama the centerpiece: “My big reaction... I want to see how the Alabama fan base react, responds to this loss. Kaylin DeBoer in many ways has shored up his position as Alabama head coach... But I think Alabama fans kind of knew that the days of the Nick Saban dominance were gone.”
• “If you're used to elite, can you live with good? If you're used to perfect, can you live with we're damn good?” —[27:08]

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5. Playoff Scenarios: Texas, Notre Dame & Chaos Math

• [39:30] Debate on Texas’ path with a potential 9-3 record. Would a late win over A&M offset questionable losses?
• Van: “They have a win that is better than any other win Notre Dame has. But they also have losses because they play in a competitive conference.”—[44:17]
• Joe: “I would probably take Notre Dame over Texas, but you know, I'm willing to hear the argument for Texas at nine and three.”
• The group agrees resume is everything — quality wins v. suspect losses.

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6. Around the Country: Georgia Tech Survival, Conference Strength

• Georgia Tech survives Boston College: Panel puts it in the box with other ugly wins, sees Tech as “plucky” but not scary playoff material.
• Discussion of the ACC’s relative weakness this year, needing Georgia Tech/Notre Dame to anchor them.

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7. Michigan: Gritty, Flawed, Still Alive

• [87:07] Michigan survives Northwestern on a last-second field goal.
• Joe: “Still don’t think Michigan’s that good…but that’s one of those wins that even though it was just Northwestern, it’s like, all right, you can build on that.”
• Van: “I think Michigan is a very flawed team, but maybe they're a little more solid than we think...The best is still yet to come for them.”—[90:15]

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8. Wider College Football Culture: Banter, Tangents & Notable Quotes

• Gentle Parenting: Opens with Joel discussing “gentle parenting,” Van countering with his own “devil’s hoofprint” story.
  • Van: “That’s not an iron print. That’s the devil’s hoof print… You’ve opened the gates of hell.”—[04:15]
• Hat Discourse: Joel’s hat gets roasted by the chat; group debates cultural divides in cap style—[29:05].
• Old Sports Documentaries: (“Gang Wars: Banging in Little Rock,” “Pimps Up, Hoes Down”) and their impact—[49:25].
• Chat's Role: Chat actively shapes show, even getting Joel to adjust his hat—[29:29], goading about prior comments, etc.
• Billy’s role: Occasional drop-ins, both as fact-checker and mischief-stirrer/mediator.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• Van Lathan [07:30]:
  "Texas A&M put together one of the worst halves of football I've ever seen any elite team play. ... The entire college football watching public was like, are they throwing this football game?"
• Joe [10:25]:
  "About as impressed as I've been with Texas A&M in a damn near generation ... looked really crisp and efficient and confident."
• Van Lathan [20:33]:
  "They want to wed and be married to the excellence of Shane Beamer, but they are in a perpetual talking stage because he won't take the next step."
• Joel Anderson [32:43]:
  "Oklahoma goes into Bama and beats them for the second year in a row... in a Venables way—defense first, made them one dimensional."
• Van Lathan [27:08]:
  "If you're used to elite, can you live with good? If you're used to perfect, can you live with we're damn good? And we're gonna see that with the Alabama fanbase."
• Van Lathan [44:17]:
  "They have a win that is better than any other win that Notre Dame could possibly have. ... But they also have losses because they play in a competitive conference."
• Van Lathan [90:15]: "I think Michigan's a very flawed team. You can make some of the same arguments ... But there's some there there with them."
• Van Lathan [04:15]:
  [On his “devil’s hoof print” story] “He said, that’s not an iron print. That’s the devil’s hoof print … You’ve opened the gates of hell.”

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Quick Hitters & Fun Segment Timestamps

• [41:33] Georgia Tech’s “plucky” struggle, ACC’s fragility.
• [56:38] Should college football have flex scheduling? Van floats the chaos idea.
• [71:04] Why play CFB in baseball stadiums? The panel agrees: it's mostly marketing, doesn't add much.
• [78:43] Billy/Simmons podcast cross-polinating; Billy eschews Bill for Tailgate, professes loyalty.
• [87:07] Michigan's margin-of-error win, Bryce Underwood’s “gotta give him his props.”
• [89:46] Joel asks for “quick hitters”; group does lightning round on late games, Houston trips, HBCU shoutouts.

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Running Gags & Tailgate DNA

• Gentle Parenting vs. Old School: Stories of upbringing—Joel (gentle parent), Van (fire and brimstone).
• Chat and Hat Warfare: Joel’s hat is the night’s meme; cultural divides between flat/curved brims dissected.
• Playoff ‘Eye Test’: Panel agrees current rankings are as much about “feel” as résumé.
• Random Tangents: From Chris Collinsworth’s infamous quote, to Mr. Whitefolks, to Arcane Internet Memes.
• Joel’s R. Kelly Defense: Numerous call-backs to questionable statements, always (barely) sidestepped for comedy.
• Billy as Sleepy Agent of Chaos: Billy stirs things up, then fades.

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Final Word

This episode is classic Ringer Tailgate: deeply knowledgeable CFB commentary paired with relentless, warm chaos. In Week 12, the big story is transformation—programs, conferences, coaching ceilings, fan expectations—and how the fate of college football is far more unpredictable, and fun, than any preseason narrative could suggest.

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Timestamps for Reference

• Texas A&M Comeback & Reaction: 06:44–13:19
• South Carolina/Shane Beamer: 13:19–23:20
• Big 12 vs. SEC/Conference Realignment: 24:39–38:59
• Alabama's Fanbase After Shock: 24:39–27:53
• Playoff Paths (Texas, ND, etc.): 39:30–47:36
• Hat/Chat Banter: 29:05–30:32
• Michigan Gritty Win, Future: 87:07–91:14
• Georgia Tech, ACC Survival: 41:33–43:05

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Transcript

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[Joel Anderson]

Welcome back to Rigor Tailgate. We're live, it's Saturday and we have pushed the time back to nine. If you're on the east coast and you're in Joel's, you know, neighborhood, and if you're here on the west coast, it's about 6 o' clock and we gotta say what's up to our guys. Van's got the bat and he's got the cowboy hat on. It's gonna be a great night. Van Lathan, good to see you, man.

[Van Lathan]

I am so happy to be here with you guys. Later time. We pushed it back. We pushed it back. Joel said in the group text earlier, he was like, I can't wait to throw it back tonight. And so we pushed the show back and we are here.

[Joe]

Ringer.

[Van Lathan]

Tailgate is ready, guys.

[Joel Anderson]

That's exactly what he said verbatim. There was, you know, the chat. Sometimes you can't always do what the chat wants, right, because you're getting into a tough situation there. But the chat said, well, needed to wait for some of these games to get done. We had a lot of great games today, especially in the early window. We got some great games happening right now. Georgia, Texas, we got the Lane bowl also in action at halftime right now. Joel, did you get the kids to bed? That's the big question everybody's asking.

[Joe]

Yo, yo, yo, yo, tailgaters. That work? Did that go? Trying to do that work like you, huh?

[Van Lathan]

You're trying to do the higher learning thing.

[Joe]

Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, tailgaters.

[Van Lathan]

Yo, yo, yo, thought warriors. H is on his I.

[Joe]

All right. Yeah. No, my kids are asleep in the room right next to me right now. And I, I realized when we were talking, I was very subdued because I just, I don't. I have this fear that I'm going to wake them up. But if they do come in here, you know what I'm saying, then I mean, it's all. That's on y'. All. That's what you all are put at risk here tonight. So if my baby girl come in here, y' all just gonna have to deal with it.

[Van Lathan]

Let me ask you a question. Do you practice gentle parenting?

[Joe]

I wouldn't call it that necessarily.

[Joel Anderson]

Is that the one big question of the night?

[Joe]

Van?

[Van Lathan]

Could be.

[Joe]

Yeah. I mean, I. I mean, I wouldn't call it that exactly, But a lot of the concepts we practice, like, I mean, for instance, we would. I mean. I mean, this just goes without saying. We would never spank our kid. Right. Like, that is a departure from that. He's the. The first generation of Anderson kids who've not had to go through that. You know, we do a lot more talking through things and talking through feelings and emotions, giving options, you know, give them a chance to express themselves, sit with the, you know, anger and just be like, okay, well, I can wait until you're done. They. They can do and say things to me that I never would have dreamed of doing to my parents. Like, I said that my kids are the freest Andersons who've ever lived.

[Van Lathan]

So, yeah, yeah, my parents.

[Joel Anderson]

Sounds like gentle parenting.

[Van Lathan]

It sounds like. It sounds like the. The gentle parenting. You're a gentle parent.

[Joe]

You're a GP it ain't like that. But it kind of comes naturally to me because I just, you know, I just. I'm really. I'm. I'm a soft heart. I know people. I'm a hater. Yeah. But I'm. I'm very.

[Joel Anderson]

No, you're a good guy.

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[Van Lathan]

Tell you guys a story about the iron and the devil's hoof print.

[Joe]

No.

[Van Lathan]

I never told y' all this story.

[Joe]

No.

[Van Lathan]

So this is the way my father parented. I was trying to help my mom iron and the rest in peace to dad. I was trying to help my mom iron, and the iron fell and it burned. Iron Print in the carpet. So I was trying to iron my own clothes. I was trying to help my mom, really, but I really just wanted. I was curious about irony, and I wanted to iron my own clothes, right? So trying to be a man fell. And then when the iron hit the carpet, I could have probably grabbed it, but it just went and it sunk into the carpet. And then I picked it up, and it was carpet all over the bottom of the iron and stuff. And I was, like, fascinated with that shit. I'm like, oh, my God. But for weeks, dad did not. He wasn't in the room. He did not realize that iron print had been burned in the floor. Then one day he saw it, and he was like, what happened? And I was like, I was trying to iron my own clothes, and the iron fell on the floor. And my dad was like, you know what? That was you in here doing something you wasn't supposed to be doing. And he said, that's not an iron print. That's the devil's hoof print. And he said, in here by yourself, just know that Satan is in this room with you, because you have let Satan into the room. And then he looked at me and he said, you've opened the gates of hell. You've opened the gates of hell. He looked at me, he said, man, what is Satan here to do? And I said, still kill and destroy. And he said, watch your back. And then he walked out the room. That's the way I was parented.

[Joe]

Y' all went over, Satan, still kill and destroy. Y' all had a little saying for Satan like that. Still kill and destroy.

[Joel Anderson]

The rule of three.

[Van Lathan]

No, that's what Satan is. Satan. Satan is here to still kill and destroy. That's biblical stuff. I don't think we made that up. I think that's in.

[Joe]

Oh, really? Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

I think that's in the good book.

[Joe]

Yeah, I apologize. I went. I did go to Catholic school and had to take understanding the Bible as a cool course. I guess I probably cheated.

[Van Lathan]

Here it is. Here it is. The main Bible verse that features the phrase steal, kill, and Destroy is John 10:10, which contrast. The thief comes only to steal, kill, and destroy. I have come that they may have life and have it to the full.

[Joe]

Wow, you. A little word today, man.

[Van Lathan]

A little bit. A little bit word. Now let's get to this sinning.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, let's get to it. Let's get to our first fact of the day, because for the first time, teams were 0 and 286 when trailing by 27 or more points. In the SEC until today. That's right. Texas A M, they were in hell in that first half, an incredible half. We'll get to our own reactions, but this was the story of the day. Texas A M Lane Kiffin came out this week, we talked about it on Wednesday, said they're the best team in the country. They look like one of the most, you know, embarrassing teams in the country. In the first half of this game, you got Shane Beamer walking into the locker room. He's getting the crowd fired up. And it felt like South Carolina was going to shock the world until Marcel Reed had his camback moment. A Cam Newton type game. Van, how shocked are you that Texas A and M came back to win this one? 3,130.

[Van Lathan]

So in the entire first half, I was convinced that South Carolina would sell. But then it get. It just got harder to believe, right? 17, nothing. You're like, okay, 20, whatever. It's like, okay, me and my boy Ryan are on the phone, shout out Ryan Davenport. And we like the South Carolina about to sell. Then it gets to the halftime score and you're like, they can't sell here. It's impossible. They, they'd have to score too fast, too much, would have to just. They, they can't sell. And South Carolina sold. I did not know what was going on to Texas A and M put together one of the worst halves of football I've ever seen any elite team play. They could not throw it, they could not catch it, they could not stop nobody. If not for a really, really, really bad read by Lenora Selles, they wouldn't have had any motion in the first half at all. The entire college football watching public was like, are they throwing this football game? This looks terrible. They snapped out of it, got on a run. South Carolina offered no resistance in the second half. And now you have, I guess, not a signature win, but one of those wins that just shows the team is resilient and can come back from adversity. The kind of win that brings the team closer together, to be honest with you.

[Joe]

Yeah, I mean, I agree. You know, we've talked about this a little bit in the build up to this game is that, you know, oh, it's going to be the same old Aggies, you know, they're going to get everybody's hopes up. And then when, you know, on the.

[Joel Anderson]

Day Elo signed a contract extension, it was it.

[Joe]

I was prepared to laugh at them, you know, because I was like, oh, this is the same old Aggies. And just like that. And I Think that's the thing that impressed me the most, that there was really no suspense to it. Like, they got to work immediately after halftime. Right. I don't know. Um, and I, you know, I haven't had a chance to watch no film or anything like that on it. And we haven't seen what Elko said in the locker room, but he said.

[Joel Anderson]

He didn't say anything. He was like, I basically just was like, hey, we're not playing our version of football, and we need to do that. We need to be more physical. And the rest was history, whatever he did.

[Joe]

Yeah, man. And you know, the thing, I think the thing that, because so it's not that I thought South Carolina was really, really good, but my thought at halftime was, I don't think Marcel Reed can pass them out of this. Like, I, I, my, I'd not been able to accept that. The Marcel Reed that I saw struggle with past concepts last year is a different quarterback this year. And if he's that good and he appears to be, like, he appears to be one of the best dual threat quarterbacks in college football. If he's that good, then, I mean, A and M, man, I mean, maybe this is just the start. I mean, again, I mean, there's no shame at this point. There's no shame if they lose it. Drop a game from here now, right? Like, they've done mostly what they were.

[Joel Anderson]

Texas, the biggest game on their schedule coming up.

[Joe]

That's a, that's a tough game, and that's going to be in Austin. Right? But on the whole, man, like, I was about as impressed as I've been with Texas A and M in a damn near generation. Like, that's just a, that's just not a game that they have that they've won in the past. And they, they want it and made it look not easy, but, like, they looked really crisp and efficient and confident. Like, in a way that I, I just, I've never, I can't an Aggies team like this in a long, long time.

[Van Lathan]

Does, does it bother you at all or give you a little bit of pause that they could play a half a football like this? Like, I could not imagine Ohio State playing a half a football like this.

[Joe]

I just, I think if you. Yeah, well, not, not really. It doesn't bother me because you're going to play game. You know, there's always going to be a half in the.

[Joel Anderson]

We saw Indiana last week, right, against Penn State. So we've seen two of the top three teams have that half. Obviously, you know, Ohio State has not had that half yet.

[Joe]

You're going to scuffle a little bit and look, I mean, the thing is, A and M is not totally healthy. Like, they don't have their top running back, Le'Veon Moss. Scooby Williams is out for another game.

[Joel Anderson]

The linebacker's not 100%.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. And so they're scuffling and it's late in the year and they have a lot ahead of them. And it's real easy to look at the schedule and think that Kyle Field is going to do it for you and you're going to roll through South Carolina. But they. They took it on the chin and got right back at it. And so. Yeah, no, it didn't. It didn't. It didn't. It didn't bother me that much. It made me think, oh, this team actually something this year on the chin.

[Van Lathan]

I thought you was talking about.

[Joe]

What you talking about, man.

[Van Lathan]

President Trump with. Oh, Bill Clinton.

[Joe]

Hey, can we just real quick. Is. So I've. I've been busy this weekend. Is that. Where does that come from?

[Van Lathan]

The Epstein files? Let's not get into that shit because they already on my eyes. They already on my ass.

[Joe]

That was really okay.

[Van Lathan]

Ringer fans is getting on my ass about my political shit. There's a. Billy says. There's a video. We're gonna bring Billy into whatever.

[Joe]

Don't do that.

[Joel Anderson]

But.

[Van Lathan]

But don't do that, Billy. I'm not like, you know, I do politics on Twitter. And the Ringer fans just don't like it. I'm pissing them off. So let's stay with the college football takes today right now, Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

But let's keep it California.

[Joe]

I just wanted to know if this was a thing that was actually there. Okay, we good?

[Van Lathan]

You're clear because we already did religion. We already got something started with the sage. Fucking turn this fucking show on to hear Bible verses. What is this? Now, let's shift the focus here. Remember what I talked about with Penn State? There's one thing when you have a winless season, and there's another thing if you have a joyless season. This was South Carolina's shot at joy. Now, they did beat Virginia Tech, and I suppose that that game was exciting. At the time that it happened, everything was still in front of them.

[Joel Anderson]

More for the Beamer family than the South Carolina fan base.

[Van Lathan]

You know, fair enough. This game was an opportunity for them to say, you know what? It is, it is on the team. We do have it. We have Lenora Sellers. This incredibly Talented quarterback. We have Dylan Sanders. Right? We have Nick Harbor. Nick Harbor. We have these guys, right? We, we. We have these guys. It didn't come together this year, but look, it's here. We put it together for one game and they fucked it. They fucked it. And it was embarrassing in the second half. As good as Texas A and M was in the second half, I mean, everything turned around. The defense played on fire. The receivers finally learned how to catch the football. Catch the football.

[Joel Anderson]

Concepcion, big touchdown draft play.

[Van Lathan]

There was a fourth and I think 12.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that was the game changing play.

[Van Lathan]

That was the game changing play. Reed scrambles for that 4th and 12. He uses his athletic ability. He avoids a tackler. He converts that 4th and 12, and it's a whole new ball game. And they never stopped. But, man, did South Carolina make it easy in the second half.

[Joe]

So some South Carolina fans follow me on Blue sky and shout out to.

[Joel Anderson]

Those South Carolina fans.

[Joe]

I mean, y' all should be over there, man. It's a, it's a. It's a very vibrant conversation, unless much less racist. But. But the, the. They are very bad at this Shane Beamer thing. And I kind of thought, oh, like, y' all are South Carolina, you know, six. Yeah, if you go six and six this year, it'll be okay. Dylan Stewart. Yeah, the D. I mean, I mean, that's an NFL player right there, bro. I mean, that's the NFL right there. But, yeah, I mean, I, I knew that they. This was a disappointing year for a team. They thought maybe there's an outside shot at them contending for the playoffs. But I was thinking, I was like, there's no way they would fire Shane Beamer, right? Like, not. I mean, he's doing okay. He's recruiting pretty well. They were competitive. But it seems to me, like the few South Carolina fans that I'm in contact with that. That kind of fed up with that, man, that they're very upset at him. And I did not imagine that he was generating that kind of heat, but I could imagine looking at a game like this today and being like, man, not only did you lose this league, but it's like we wasted Lenora Sellers, man. Like, this was a year we were so really supposed to ride him. This would be the last time. You know.

[Van Lathan]

It'S always the ones that.

[Joe]

Was into the Bible, you know, I mean, think about it.

[Van Lathan]

It really, bro.

[Joe]

You know, are you gonna.

[Van Lathan]

Joe, are you gonna show some discipline on the, on the show tonight, bro?

[Joel Anderson]

Like, what is going a little bit later?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. Tailgate after dark, man. Bro, Tailgate after dark. Tate, you tell them, man. Wait, what did I say? What was the first one?

[Van Lathan]

Come on, man. Like, it's. It might be some kids. You going. You wiling, bro. God damn.

[Joe]

The thing that you do with it. Anyway, it doesn't matter. But the. The point. The point of it is, is that South Carolina, man, first of all, Lenore Sellers, man, I know you're gonna be back at school next year, but what school you gonna be at, right? What school you gonna be at, man?

[Joel Anderson]

Carolina.

[Joe]

Oh, interesting.

[Van Lathan]

Well, I'll go to Carolina.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, you could say Carolina is South Carolina.

[Van Lathan]

I was thinking, why would he go to. Why would he go to. Why would he go. Why would he go to play for.

[Joel Anderson]

The greatest coach ever?

[Van Lathan]

I was like, what, with the best.

[Joel Anderson]

Uniforms in the game, if.

[Van Lathan]

If there are all types of teams out there that he could go to.

[Joe]

But damn, with the reality. Was joking, man. Why you putting it on? Why you.

[Joel Anderson]

Who's the best quarterback in the NFL and what school did he go to?

[Van Lathan]

Drake May. He went to. I don't know if that. Drake May is the best quarterback in the NFL.

[Joel Anderson]

That's what the people are saying.

[Van Lathan]

He went to North Carolina. Completely different team there. But what I'm saying is this is why if you are Lenora Sellers and you're going to leave South Carolina, which we don't know, if Lenora Sellers is leaving South Carolina, we don't know either for the NFL or for another team, you need. The one thing you need more than anything is stability.

[Joe]

Right?

[Van Lathan]

You need stability because it is obvious that despite the fact that he is a prodigious talent, he has prodigious talent that. That guy needs some refining.

[Joe]

Yeah, man.

[Van Lathan]

He needs somebody who can put him into an offense where there are some easy reads, where they are moving, and they move the pocket for him a lot, but they need somebody who can focus the talent that he has. Because there's a little bit of Lenora Sellers that, to me, having watched both guys, is this year, at least not last year. Last year, you could see it all. He was putting it together. This year, he's reminding me a little bit of Anthony Richardson at Florida.

[Joe]

Ooh.

[Van Lathan]

Now he's much more effective than that. Anthony Richardson just never seen. He had some big games there as well. He. You play decently, but he's looking like a quarterback with all of this raw talent that just is not at. In any way putting it together in a way that results in his offense moving with any snap or rhythm or his team scoring snap a rhythm. Oh, man.

[Billy]

Damn.

[Van Lathan]

That's a race your mouth, man. That's a reach.

[Joe]

Snap or wrist a reach. Rhythm is reaching.

[Van Lathan]

You know what rhythm is like you, you reach.

[Joe]

You ain't never heard, you never told.

[Van Lathan]

Rhythm you're reaching.

[Joel Anderson]

But, but who, who are the offensive gurus that are going to help him? Right? Arbuckle at Oklahoma? Well, that's what I was thinking at Texas. Lane Kiffin at Ole Miss or where he ends up going, right? I mean, there's not that really many options out there.

[Joe]

I was thinking, I was thinking Oklahoma would be a good fit for him.

[Joel Anderson]

Miami.

[Joe]

VAN Depending on who goes there. VAN how would you feel to, how would you feel about having Lenora Sellers as your quarterback next year?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I would love it if there was a great OC but honestly, right now.

[Joel Anderson]

What if the head coach is Joe Brady and he basically calls the place.

[Van Lathan]

That'd be fantastic. But that would be such a pressure cooker form. That would be like a real pressure cooker for him because the, that's going to be a new head coach, a new regime, a new offense, all kinds of stuff. So that's going to be a, for him. I think he's a great talent. Would, would love to have a talent like that in purple and gold, but for him that's a pressure cooker. The Shane Beamer situation is this. I'll tell you why a lot of your friends are mad with Shane Beamer. It's because they want to marry Shane Beamer. They want to marry him like they want to marry him. They want to be married to the greatness of Shane Beamer. The fan base, the South Carolina fans. I know and I know a lot of them. Charlemagne is my guy, Bakari is my guy. And I know for a long time the lady that worked in the front office with the, the, the, the, the former head coach of, of South Carolina chained when, when Beamer came in. They like this coach.

[Joel Anderson]

Beamer's a good guy.

[Van Lathan]

He's a good guy. They like this coach.

[Joe]

It's ultra fit.

[Van Lathan]

They want to wed and be married to the excellence of Shane Beamer. But they are in a perpetual talking stage because he won't take the next step. He will not take the next step as a coach. And the talent gets put there, the team shows flashes and then it just will not happen. And you're starting to wonder if it will happen.

[Joel Anderson]

He's too emotional in games for me. You know, I think that's what the fans are really fed up with. He looks, they're just like, there needs to have like a better poker face. You know, like when he walks in the locker room and he's trying to get like the, the little South Carolina contingent fired up, you know, he's almost rubbing it in the face of the A M fans. I saw that right before halftime and I'm like, I don't like that. You know, like, he should be worried about A M in the second half. It felt like he was already celebrating. That's my own personal take on it. But I could understand why South Carolina fans are upset about that aspect of it with the in game coaching and just kind of being too emotionally, you know, involved at some level.

[Joe]

It I, I think the thing about Shane is that like, bro, maybe you should go see about, you know, how, you know, at the end of, of the first Kanye album, Last Call, and he's like, yo, can I get that dealer Rockefeller? Like, that's how he needs to be with Virginia Tech. He'd be like, you know, what are y' all still.

[Joel Anderson]

That's James Franklin's floating around with other people.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, they're like, they, that he ain't got that they're not gonna hire him. I mean, how you between hiring Shane Beamer and James Franklin right now?

[Joe]

But James Franklin. But James Franklin's waiting for allegedly. And the rumor mill is that he's waiting for a lot of other jobs that would be better than Virginia Tech. Virginia Tech. If they're waiting on James Franklin, fine. Right. But I don't think that's who you're going to end up with if there's other. And he's going to be moved every time somebody signs an extension, every time, you know, whatever, somebody loses an embarrassing game, it makes it that much less likely that you're going to want to look past James Franklin on this coaching hierarchy, this carousel this year. So I don't know, what are the.

[Van Lathan]

Jobs that are better than Virginia Tech that James Franklin's going to go, go get?

[Joel Anderson]

They're saying Florida State, right?

[Joe]

Yeah, Florida State. That's the one. Allegedly, that he's, that he's looking at. Well, okay, get it if K. Well, you can't put him.

[Van Lathan]

I get it. Having James Franklin at Florida State, I mean, that's a better job than Virginia Tech for sure. So having him at Florida State, once again, you drop back into the Lions then, you know, so I, I, I mean, that's a better job. I would definitely take that job. So if it's between that and Virginia Tech, then it seems like that's the way to go. But I had heard that, or that. Heard that there was strong interest between him and Virginia Tech. But if Florida State opens up. Oh, excuse me. If Florida State wants him, then he'll go there.

[Joel Anderson]

I think Virginia Tech's almost underrated at this point. They have great football fans. Blacksburg is an incredible environment, and they got flush with money. They got a lot of money coming in, and they got Bruce Arians running the whole thing. So I, I actually think Virginia Tech would be a great fit for a lot of different coaches. So I think Franklin would love it.

[Joe]

Yeah, I don't think it's a bad job at all, but I just think that, you know, if. If Shane Beamer can somehow worm his way into that job, it's something to think about.

[Joel Anderson]

Also, the Big 12 will be coming after Virginia Tech. The Big Ten will probably come after Virginia. Like, you're going to have options in the conference.

[Joe]

You know, the Big Ten is going to be coming after who they're going.

[Joel Anderson]

To come after some of these schools in the acc. When Virginia and North Carolina team up and go to the sec, they might have to settle for Virginia Tech once again.

[Van Lathan]

Virginia Tech is a place where you've seen them win. They've always. It's always been a good program. So I, I bet that fan base is hungry for a consistent winner like they've had, you know, at times in the last 15, 20 years.

[Joel Anderson]

There you go. A and M survives. That's the big story there. Let's do one big reaction, Van. I go to you first. Obviously, a lot of games that happen today, a lot of different, you know, sort of storylines that are coming out of this. Maybe Navy, something that jumped out at you. The Midshipman. You know, Miami destroys NC State. But one big reaction for you, Van, after what we've seen so far today, man, it.

[Van Lathan]

Alabama.

[Joel Anderson]

There you go.

[Van Lathan]

O. Oklahoma beats Alabama. Two big reactions, actually. One, the signature win that Brent Venables has really been looking for. Now, he's had one before. Like, you can look at the Texas victory or you can. You can look at. They beat Texas, didn't they? Did I? Did I? Did I. No. Texas won the game.

[Joel Anderson]

Texas won.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, Texas won the game. The, the, the, the signature win that Brent Venables needed. The signature win that he needed, right? Gigantic win in Alabama. He did not just beat Alabama. He beat the tradition. He beat the, the, the, the foundation that Alabama has been on and they built on and they beat them on the field. Huge win for Brent Venables. Huge one, right?

[Joel Anderson]

And on homecoming weekend. Last time they lost on Homecoming weekend was 2001 LSU.

[Van Lathan]

Now there's something else here. My big reaction, I'm actually waiting because I want to see how the Alabama fan base react, responds to this loss. Kaylin DeBoer in many ways has shored up his position as Alabama head coach. They love him, they hate him, they want him to get fired, they want him to stick around. I think that Alabama fans kind of knew that the days of the Nick Saban dominance were gone. And they were gone. Even before Nick Saban was gone, things had changed a little bit. It was still Nick Saban football, it was still Alabama football. But it wasn't quite 2017 anymore. Right? 2016 anymore. All the tens and the teens. Fuck it. They won every time, right?

[Joel Anderson]

It was every year.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

But I think something that Joel said earlier this year is, is true, is that this is what a good football team looks like now. A good football team looks like two losses. An elite football team might look like one. A really lucky team in the schedule might look undefeated. But I don't know that there'll be as much disappointment with Kaylin DeBoer after this loss because of Alabama's eight game winning streak. But there will be some, there will be some people that will say, what are we, what is Alabama football right now? Now they have two games at the end of this, at the end of their schedule that they should win.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, the iron, Illinois and then they got Auburn. Yeah, right.

[Van Lathan]

So they should win both of those games. It looks like they're pretty well positioned to, to be in the playoff. But at the same time, it's not guaranteed. And the fact that it's not guaranteed is going to make a lot of people who are used to excellence wonder if they can live with just good. If you're used to elite, can you live with good? If you're used to perfect, can you live with we're damn good. And we're gonna see that with the Alabama fan base. And I don't know what the answer is going to be, but I'm very excited to see.

[Joe]

Yeah, well, first of all, let me just. I agree with that.

[Joel Anderson]

Joe, did you turn your hat around?

[Joe]

Well, so I was going to say something. There's two things. One, I agree with Van, but I'll pivot to that. The people in the comments were talking about my brim. Okay. They got my comments. I mean, look. Okay. Is that how you say your name? Yeah. I may get criticized for saying that name wrong now, too. Crazy white boy Sam asked Me. Did you all turn the hat around because of the brim? And I was like, hell, yeah. I got tired of y' all talking about it. It was. What did they say about the brim was up? Yeah, there wasn't. Yeah, I didn't have it.

[Van Lathan]

What was wrong with.

[Joe]

Wasn't curved enough? I think it was too much of a. Right. Yeah. Kind of triangular.

[Joel Anderson]

Billy said it was triangular.

[Joe]

It's not a hat I wear a lot. I just needed a hat because he.

[Joel Anderson]

Had it bent like this.

[Joe]

Yeah. And I did not wore it like this. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

So. So wait a second.

[Joe]

Hold on.

[Van Lathan]

When. When I was still wearing. Because now I just do the dad hat. Right. And the dad hat saves that. I don't do the hat like that no more. But when I was doing a hat like that, the brothers had the hat flat and cocked to the. You know what I'm saying?

[Joel Anderson]

Like, we had the early 2000s, see, and it was actually.

[Joe]

So you're saying this is a cultural thing?

[Van Lathan]

Well, I don't know. I don't know if it is or if it isn't because I don't know how they're wearing the hats now. I don't wear those kind of hats anymore. I just wear the dad hat. And that's always curved. But for the hat that's like that to fit it, the brim was always flat.

[Joe]

Yeah, I was. I usually had my. My brims flat or whatever. But anyway, I mean, I will say this, though.

[Joel Anderson]

The chat won.

[Van Lathan]

It is. I will say this, though. It is. It is that you let them make you.

[Joel Anderson]

They bullied us into a later time.

[Van Lathan]

That is you.

[Joe]

You like.

[Van Lathan]

You can't.

[Joe]

You like.

[Joel Anderson]

No, I'm on your.

[Van Lathan]

You can't do that.

[Joe]

So.

[Van Lathan]

So don't tell them. Shout out to the people. We love, y'.

[Joel Anderson]

All.

[Van Lathan]

I don't know.

[Joe]

The thing is, man, I. First of all, I don't know enough about hats. Remember how we were talking about Jordans before the show and I was. Man, I don't know nothing about that, bro. I don't know what the kids do. I have a hat. Usually I have my hats backwards anyway, just because that's the way I prefer to wear.

[Joel Anderson]

Colin Coward's nightmare.

[Joe]

Yeah, man. I mean, I would never be a quarterback for his team. Right. I could. I could never be a quarterback for Colin Cowherd, but, you know, so I always used to wear my shit because I never. I don't usually have my hat as a part of my outfit. That's not something I've been doing. Since college. Like I was 24 or something like that. So if you. You that's. They saw. They found a point of vulnerability with me. I don't know what I had is supposed to look like. And so they got me.

[Joel Anderson]

And when they find it, they post.

[Joe]

One, they poked and they kept going. I was like, I've got to move on from this. I don't want to keep focusing on was. It was annoying me. Not annoying. I appreciate y' all coming in here, you know, but, you know, I was just like, all right, let's move the on. I don't want to talk about that no more. The. The other thing is. So anyway, I. My big reaction. I'm just gonna say take. Can I do my big reaction?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, big reaction. Get it?

[Joe]

My big reaction is about the Big 12, man, the old Big 12. About how the old Big 12 has made the SEC even bigger, even better. And I'm not here to denigrate the league where it just means more and I'm not going to like. So nobody gets their. Themselves up in the panties in a bunch of. The SEC has been the best league. It produces the most champs, it's got the most NFL players. It earned his reputation on the field. Nobody gave it to him. Understood. But I do want to remind folks that when the SEC extended invitations to Texas and Oklahoma a few years ago, the prevailing thought was that it was going to take those programs some time to adjust. Right. Like they were going well, they're going to have to get bigger and tougher and faster. I mean, because it's the SEC and they're going to have to get much more serious about competing, like, and they're not going to win it. But, you know, just to get up the snuff with everybody, they're going to have to get their together. Well, look at where we are today. Six of the top 11 teams in the current CFP rankings, eight of the top 13 were. Are currently in the Big 12. Number three, Texas A&M, which defected in 2012 with Mizzou. So, like, that's the. That's the best, probably the best team in the league right now. Former Big 12 Texas Tech, currently the top team in the Big 12, the number six. And the Texas, Oklahoma, BYU and Utah are 10 through 13. So if y' all are being honest people that watch this sport over the last couple decades, nobody thought we would be here right now. When we look at today, Oklahoma goes into Bama and beats them for the second year in a row. And they won in a way that people probably would have never thought they would have been able to do it. They made.

[Joel Anderson]

In a Venables way, too.

[Joe]

Defense.

[Van Lathan]

In a Venables way.

[Joe]

Defense first made them. Made them one dimensional, sacked them four times, forced three turnovers, limited them to 80 yards rushing. And if you take away one 28 yard run by Daniel Hill, the Tide had 32, I mean, 52 rushing yards on 32 carries tonight. Okay?

[Joel Anderson]

And got Jam Miller taken out of the game, basically.

[Billy]

Right.

[Joe]

Got Jam Miller taken out the game. Texas and ou have 4 combined losses this fall. One is the number one, Ohio State. The other is Oklahoma's loss to Texas. So, anyway, also, I'm just saying the Big 12 has made the SEC a lot better, giving it a big marquee weekend this first weekend in November. So just trying to remind people, man, that sometimes we play good football in other parts of the country, man. It's not just the SEC. The Big 12 has something to say.

[Van Lathan]

All right? So I want to. I want to. I want to put this in context.

[Joel Anderson]

I like Joel doing the Big 12 as death row. You know what I mean?

[Van Lathan]

So Oklahoma played LSU in the College football playoff during LSU's national championship season. This is Oklahoma in the College Football Playoff. Joel, what was the score of that game?

[Joe]

Hey, look, man, why are you bringing up five years ago?

[Van Lathan]

No, no, no, I'm asking, like, like, like what. What was the score of the game?

[Joe]

I don't know. What was. What was the score thing?

[Van Lathan]

Okay, so right now, are you looking? It was 63 to 28.

[Joe]

Okay, okay, so. Okay, so I know LSU loves living in the past. They love living in the past because that's all y' all could talk about right now. I get it.

[Van Lathan]

Oklahoma play LSU last year. What was the score of the game?

[Joe]

I don't know. What was the score of the game last year?

[Van Lathan]

It's 37. 17.

[Joe]

Oh, okay.

[Van Lathan]

So all I'm trying to get you to do. So, so, so, so, so, so. Wait, wait, wait.

[Joe]

Just.

[Van Lathan]

Wait a second. Wait a second. Okay, so I'm just trying to get you to. This is what I'm saying. What you just said is true. But let me contextualize. The reason why people have thought what they thought is because those teams were getting their asses bust. Not all the time, but sometimes when they would play SEC teams. Not all the time.

[Joe]

And the best of those teams usually. Right.

[Van Lathan]

Well, I mean. I mean, what are you talking about right now? Right now?

[Joe]

The thought was that the sec, because it's such a. It's such a gauntlet. It was going to wear down Texas and Oklahoma because where they used to have to play Oklahoma State and tcu, now they got to play these other schools.

[Van Lathan]

Well, I'm, I'm. I'm going to get to that. The. What people did not see during the time that this happened is how much college football had changed. Now, if you dropped Texas and Oklahoma into The SEC in 2016, in 2017, maybe those people had a point. Maybe there would have been a point. But now I don't think that there's any team in any conference ever that you're. Indiana right now is undefeated and killing people. Right now. Indiana's undefeated, killing people.

[Joe]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

Pence. While Penn State is on the outs, while Clemson is down. So I think that this is less about the football brands of Oklahoma and Texas because we do have some results on the field that could kind of show you what happened when those teams played SEC teams. And this is more about the fact that actually them joining the conference with the changing landscape of college football has changed the level of competition. Maybe the SEC isn't the gauntlet that it used to be. The Big Ten is not the gauntlet that it is. The, the. The biggest thing that snake bites you in the Big Ten is the travel. So I have a lot of respect for Texas. I have a lot of respect for Oklahoma. I do. Neither one of those teams has come into the SEC and dominated it. You can make it. You can make an argument that maybe Texas has. You can.

[Joe]

I mean, you're Texas, man.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, you can make an argument that Texas has. But like, table yeah, what they definitely. Texas is elite program. Texas elite. You can make an argument that this is. But what.

[Joe]

And Oklahoma is a better program than Texas right now? Well, I mean, in, in recent times they are because, I mean, Oklahoma won the, the. The last 20 Big 12. They won 14 of the last 20 Big 12 champion titles. Right.

[Van Lathan]

Right.

[Joe]

And Texas won three. So Oklahoma is a better pro. It doesn't mean that Texas doesn't have more potential. They're not better at the moment, but that's all.

[Van Lathan]

Texas is better program than Oklahoma is now.

[Joe]

At this. At this point. Yes. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

At this point now. So all I'm saying is while there is something to. To. For. For Texas and the Big 12 fans, there's something to pound your chest about. There is context to this, and the context of this is that dominance in college football is pretty much out of the window. It's gone. Like, you've made that point. You've made that point that there are no more really? So the SEC ain't what it used to be because, like, we should have Hollywood Smothers. We would. Hollywood Smothers would play for us in years past. He would be our second or third back. Man, we had Leonard Fernet and Darius Geist at the same time.

[Joe]

That's crazy.

[Van Lathan]

You know what I'm saying? Like, I could go through some of the rooms that were there. Like, we. So, like, that's different now. And so Oklahoma and Texas are competing at a high rate, like, at a high level at the sec. But, Joe, so is Ole Miss, like, you know what I mean? Like. Like Ole Miss is as well, things.

[Joe]

It's funny. People talk about Ole Miss. I mean, the one good, great run Ole Miss had, you know, about a decade ago under Hugh Freeze. As I like to remind people, TCU put a 42. 3 on that ass. And that was an Ole Miss team, I think, to be Bama that year. You know, people forget about it, though. That's all I'm saying. I mean, again, I'm not trying to just. I don't want to start a fight.

[Van Lathan]

Y'.

[Joe]

All, the SEC is great.

[Van Lathan]

You're gonna flex. You're gonna flex eventually for TCU over Ole Miss.

[Joe]

The sec, that was a good SEC team. That was a team that people thought should. Could. Was a playoff contender. You know, that was one with, you.

[Joel Anderson]

Know, would have been in the playoffs. These games.

[Joe]

Yeah, The Kim D. The Kim DJ Boys. You remember them? Yeah, yeah. Anyway, I do. I remember if it was Bo Wallace or Chad Kelly. I don't know which one was a quarterback that year, but I think Chad Kelly. Chad Kelly, man. Anyway, so, yeah, I. Again, I'm happy that everything has worked out for everybody, and I'm happy that my boys in Texas are showing improvement in the sec. Letting people know how we get down in Texas, man.

[Joel Anderson]

I did want to point out, because you brought up the two programs. Ole Miss right now, 2420, and then Lamb Bowl. Florida is up in that game also, 14 to 3. Just started the second half right now. Georgia, Texas. So, you know, just a little update there that's happening right now in real time.

[Van Lathan]

What's the Georgia. Texas score?

[Joel Anderson]

14 to 3. Georgia is up on Texas.

[Van Lathan]

Texas need to win that football game. Texas is snake bitten by Georgia, man.

[Joe]

They've not beaten them yet.

[Van Lathan]

No, they have not beat. They. They like to just.

[Billy]

They need.

[Van Lathan]

They need to. They need to. But this is all of that other shit. I'm the. The conference is what it is. But this is a big game for Texas, and Keeping their playoff folks alive. What if Texas loses? What does it mean? Does it mean anything if they lose? I mean, they're out of the playoff picture. But is this, Has Texas done enough to make people believe that this was a dry run next year, Arch, is a year better. Bring some of these guys back. They're going to lose some guys, but bring some of these guys back and they can march to the national championship next year.

[Joe]

Wait, Van, hold on. You think they're out of the playoffs? Because I, I mean, I mean, and I've been hearing a lot that, I mean, Texas could have a case as the first 3, 3 loss team to make it to the playoffs if they.

[Joel Anderson]

Would have to beat A M. But.

[Joe]

That'S the thing, they got to beat A and M. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Even if they do, I don't see how. I mean, we have to. We can do this on Wednesday and look and look through it, but they're going to be a lot of two loss teams there. That, that to me, that I think are going to have a better case than Texas will.

[Joe]

Yeah, well, and also I would say the way Texas is losing right now, that you got to think that they're going to, they're going to suffer a little bit here in this poll because I mean, they're not. I mean, they've kind of been getting the handle right now from what I've been able to see.

[Joel Anderson]

So, yeah, over six on third downs. Struggling a little bit to get any sort of rhythm on offense. Had a great opening drive though, you know, and the opening drive can lie, as we've learned this season, multiple times over. So, yeah, that's something to keep an eye on there. I did want to bring up this game because I know everybody was watching it. Georgia Tech, they survived Boston College today. And Boston College, we just had, you know, the, the big meltdown with, you know, the, the, the head coach there at B.C. just basically losing his mind. Bill O', Brien, on a reporter who isn't always there asking him about, you know, how do you keep this team focused and all this sort of stuff. And he's like, we're good, we're good. And they almost win this game. Honestly, if you watch this game, it felt like BC was going to win this game. Georgia Tech does survive and therefore kind of save face for the acc. Do we learn anything about Georgia Tech or is this kind of like the Indiana, you know, Penn State game or the A and M, South Carolina game? Do we put it in the same box or does it get treated a little bit differently? How, how concerned are we for Georgia Tech at this point? VAN.

[Van Lathan]

I don't think I was concerned because I don't think I was terribly impressed.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

I keep waiting for them to become the team that I think that they are and they keep saying you Van, get off our, get off our nards. Wolfman got nards. And so the fact that they pulled that out, I think that I, with Georgia Tech, Georgia Tech can't disappoint me. I can only be impressed. And I think that I was impressed that they, that they stuck it out and win the game.

[Joel Anderson]

And Aiden Burr, another game winning field goal. He's. I think that's his third this season or obviously at least his second. He did it against Clemson as well. But yeah, Georgia Tech, they're only one loss at this point at NC State. And NC State got absolutely just destroyed today. Hollywood smothers got smothered by Miami's defense.

[Joe]

Yeah, man, I mean the acc, man, I'm glad for them that Georgia Tech keeps it up because it's just, it seems like they're not going to really be able to depend on anybody else, you know, like, I mean, I guess, you know, Virginia has two losses now, but they really with the big win.

[Joel Anderson]

Over Duke today, right?

[Joe]

That's right. That's right. But they, they need Georgia Tech to keep winning even though it just. Georgia Tech, they're very plucky team, obviously a well coached team, you know, but it just, they feel like the kind of the, the getting away with it All Stars, you know, like it just feels like we know, I think we know that when they get into a playoffs against a team with a little bit more talent than them because they're not, you know, they're playing teams, they're as talented or more talented than right now. When they get into the playoffs with some dogs, they're gonna have to, you know what that game against Georgia at the end of the year, I'll be, we'll learn a lot about them going into that. We'll learn a lot about them in that week.

[Joel Anderson]

So let me ask you, their defense is bad.

[Van Lathan]

Let me ask you guys a question. Let's say that Texas loses this game, then they beat A and M and then you have a situation where Texas is sitting at 9 and 3 with losses to Oklahoma. Georgia.

[Joel Anderson]

No, they beat Oklahoma.

[Joe]

Excuse.

[Van Lathan]

They beat Oklahoma. I keep, why do I keep doing that?

[Joel Anderson]

They lost to Florida.

[Van Lathan]

They lost to Florida.

[Joel Anderson]

Bad loss, bad loss, bad. But Florida's up on Ole Miss right now.

[Joe]

Florida's not bad. That's the thing is it a bad loss? Because, I mean everybody.

[Van Lathan]

Because you lost with. You lost to a team with a bad record. The team lost to lsu. They're bad. Okay. Like Florida. So they, they lost to Florida. They would have losses to. If they lost today to, to Georgia and who else did Texas lose to?

[Joel Anderson]

Ohio State.

[Van Lathan]

Ohio State. Okay. Now if, if Texas loses to Georgia but then beats A and M. Yeah. And they are sitting there at 9 and 3 with losses to those teams. But a win over A and M, would you put Texas in the playoff over Notre Dame?

[Joe]

No, not now.

[Van Lathan]

No. Let's say it all shakes out Notre Dame. Notre Dame wins out, Texas loses. So Notre dame is at 10 and 2 or Texas is. Is that 9 and 3? No, Texas beats A M. Who at that point would be a top three team. Right.

[Joel Anderson]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

They have a win that is better than any other win that Notre Dame could possibly have. Not even close. Right. A win that's better than any win that Notre Dame has. But they also have losses because they play in a competitive conference. Notre Dame will have lost, would have only, only two really good teams that they played. We've talked about the losses. That's the kind of questions that you're going to have to ask yourself to put a 9 and 3 team Texas team into the playoff if nobody else, if there's not more chaos, which there could be.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, and you're also going to say this, Van. Right. Like Notre Dame played A and M and lost and Texas played A and M and won.

[Van Lathan]

That's the point. Yeah, that's the point of the scenario.

[Joel Anderson]

That's what I'm saying. Like that, that's really what it's going to come down to. And I think you're, and you talk about brand appeal. Texas is just as strong as Notre Dame.

[Joe]

I don't think it's going to come down to Texas and Notre Dame. I get what you're saying. I get. I do get what you said.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. This is a while just to see, just to see. Like when you guys Talking about a 9 and 3 team, these are the types of questions that you would have to ask because they would have to win. They'd have to split these games. And if, if, if, if you look at it right now, Texas is playing Georgia, then they got a M. That's crazy, right? No, like they, Georgia and A. If they got a split in those two games.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Which they would have to. To be in this conversation. Then you have to start asking about resume when it applies to some of these other teams.

[Joe]

You got to win those. And also, I think the thing about it is that the, the thing about the voters and all of us, we all have eyes like we're looking at these teams. And again, noted, it was advice. The Notre Dame has not. I mean, again, they're not playing. Pittsburgh is not Georgia. Right. Boston College is not, you know, Ole Miss or whatever or Florida. Well, maybe they are. But anyway, the point is, is that Notre Dame, you're right, has not played a great schedule for the most part, but man, they look like a much better team, right?

[Van Lathan]

They do.

[Joe]

Yeah, they look like. And they've been playing really, really well. And their losses. The last time we saw Notre Dame look bad because even that Boston College loss was sort of a bit of a. A ruse because they had that game in hand. It wasn't as close as the score. They didn't look great, but they did. But they had it in hand. You know what I'm saying? So I just, I think Notre Dame over. I, I would probably take Notre Dame over Texas, but you know, I'm willing to hear Tech the argument for Texas at nine and three over. I don't know, man, you know, whoever. The second ACC team.

[Van Lathan]

So I. Notre Dame is in.

[Joel Anderson]

There will only be one ACC team.

[Joe]

Yeah, right, right.

[Van Lathan]

Notre Dame is in the playoff, if you ask me. But Notre Dame has played Miami, Texas A and M, Purdue, Arkansas, Boise State, North Carolina State, South Carolina, Boston College, Navy, Pitt, Syracuse, Stanford. On his face. They played four ranked opponents, right? They played four ranked opponents and Pitt was a psyop.

[Joel Anderson]

That was a psyop ranked game. You know what I mean? Like, that was.

[Joe]

Damn. Damn. Look, you didn't go out to the fake news neither psyop, you know, you've been watching. I will say this.

[Van Lathan]

He's starting to sound a little bit. With not no politics. I will say this, though. That USC win is going to look a lot better at the end of the year. SC is finding something. They haven't played like a doozy, but SC is finding something. You watch SC and this, this team looks like one of the stronger teams that Lincoln Riley has had since he's been at usc.

[Joe]

That was.

[Joel Anderson]

They were down today. Yeah, they were down 14 to zero and come back and win.

[Joe]

Although it was a good win. Although I would say that like I was best, the best thing on Iowa's record of four close losses, you know, like I beat nobody yet, you know, but like they've got four. We just assume I was good in the same way that I assumed that Florida is Good. I mean, you know, it's college football. There's a lot of talent. Like things go against you sometimes in a game.

[Joel Anderson]

Plus when you watch the games, I mean, you kind of convince yourself, like, hey, like a play here, a play there, they easily win that game. Right, right. So it's a fair point.

[Joe]

Absolutely, absolutely. Absolutely. And I was like, man, I was really impressed with USC today too, man. I mean, look, man, USC and Oklahoma, man, can y' all settle y' all beef now? Everybody's. Can everybody be happy? You know, y' all both have competing for the playoffs.

[Van Lathan]

If I was Oklahoma. That's. It's, it's. Man, that's. That's. That's gang. If they're not, that's not. They banging on each other. That's. That's you. Hey, you remember that HBO documentary back in the day? Y' all too young for this. Y' all go on YouTube right now. Look up this documentary. Gang Wars Banging in Little Rock. Yeah, y' all know y' all gotta HBO used to have fire documentaries. What about Pimps Up, Hoes Down? Oh, you remember that? Y' all remember that?

[Joe]

Oh, man. Mr. White folks, man.

[Van Lathan]

Mr. What's the white Folks? Hey, bro, hey, let me tell you. Let me tell you how these pimps put the game on. Pimps Up, Hoes Down. This is like what the hook is. At the point.

[Joe]

The hookers at the point.

[Van Lathan]

Hookers at the point. That was about 100's point out in New York. This is what Mr. White Folk said, look, you get with me, ho. You either gonna barbecue, you gonna hoe up, a blow up barbecue, a mildew. You know what I'm saying? I don't need you. I'll let the welfare feed you. I was like, what? I started going around saying that. And you get with me, you even gonna hold up a blow up barbecue, a mildew? I don't need you. I'll let the welfare feed you. And my mama was like, don't you ever fucking sound like one of these pimps again. Like the doy stuff like that. Stop watching that shit. Ole Miss is up. Ole misses.

[Joe]

Yeah, they went up, man, 27, 24.

[Van Lathan]

But what I'm saying is they talked about gang wars banging in Little Rock.

[Joe]

Oh, bro.

[Van Lathan]

In that situation. And they talked about how the gang goes and all of that stuff. The coroner used to bring the gang KFC and showing pieces of dead people and all of that stuff. And that's kind of what's going on right now between Notre Dame. Not Notre Dame, between USC and Oklahoma.

[Joe]

You leave and take.

[Van Lathan]

You hold on. You leave and you take Caleb Williams with you, you can get fucked. Okay?

[Joe]

Forever.

[Van Lathan]

It's one thing if you leave and you go, bro. I feel like this for Oklahoma fans. It's one thing if you leave. You want to be at the beach, you take Caleb Williams with you. Fuck you, bro. For a long time.

[Joe]

I got Dylan Gabriel, man. It should be happening. Starting up for a quarterback, man.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. The H trophy winner. Banging in Little Rock, man.

[Joe]

Y' all gonna laugh at me, but I spent a lot of time in Little Rock, man. You know what I'm saying? My family. My family's from Arkansas, both sides. So I was. I went to Little Rock.

[Joel Anderson]

He's been everywhere, man.

[Joe]

I went to. I went to Little Rock every year of my life until I was 18 years old. My cousin that's big at Little Rock is where TCBY was based out of. Oh.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, Ro, man, I love I with some fro, yo. You know who else has been a Little Rock?

[Joe]

Who's that?

[Van Lathan]

Jerry Jones. And the reason why you were probably able to go there is because he wasn't there. He probably would have kept you out.

[Joe]

That he was in faith.

[Van Lathan]

He probably would have been like, I love that picture. Put that picture up. Jerry Jones is standing there looking like Jerry. Black people try to come to school. Jerry Jones is staying there with. I wish one of these would come in here.

[Joe]

It's just. It's just so funny because how do you just happenstance being, like, one of the most racist pictures of all time? Like, you just happen to have just showed up that day, man. What was going on here? Oh, they let some in, and they catch you in it, and it's like 50 years later, it comes on your ass. Oh, yeah, I caught that. What?

[Joel Anderson]

What happened?

[Joe]

All right.

[Van Lathan]

No, I heard you 50 years later, Joe. That. But that. You like that type of you like.

[Joe]

I didn't do that. I didn't do that. I didn't like that. I did. That was an accident, I promise you. But there's a. You know what? You know, as I was speaking the.

[Van Lathan]

Words out of my mouth, I want to address something. The Ohio State fans are mad at me. Shout out to my man. Okay? Shout out my man. Emeka.

[Joe]

They're.

[Van Lathan]

They're mad at me, huh?

[Joe]

Ibuka?

[Van Lathan]

No, not in Mecca, Booker. Like, oh, Mecca dawn one. One of my name is Mecca Don.

[Joel Anderson]

I was like, Mecca Igbuka, Come on.

[Joe]

I was like, God damn. Yeah, man.

[Joel Anderson]

Get along.

[Van Lathan]

Is one of the most interesting people in the entire world. This is Like a pen educated lawyer who does business deals, is Ohio State football player and he raps.

[Joe]

Oh, shit.

[Van Lathan]

His brother, okay, is a doctor and a lawyer. Has a J.D. i think from Stanford and then an M.D. from Harvard.

[Joel Anderson]

Jerry Jones. Nightmare.

[Van Lathan]

Interesting Nigerian brothers. Okay. And not only that, but okay is in the military. He went and served in Iraq. So these are interesting. And they were mad at me because they're huge Ohio State fans. And I say. I said that Ohio State is in live scrimmages every Saturday. Just to say right now, Ohio State is up 27. Nothing against.

[Joe]

Miko. Less.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, Nico not playing. Gotta point that out.

[Van Lathan]

Unfair to say that Ohio State beyond the Texas game and it's not their fault. It's the way things have shaken out in the Big Ten that they're kind of an untested team. We. They are an eye test team. Is that wrong? They're an eye test team. We just talked about Notre Dame. I could make an argument that Notre. No, there's no argument. Notre Dame's schedule to this point has been tougher than Ohio State's. They're an eye test team and the eye test tells us all we need to know. But it is a lot of eye tests. Is that not fair to say?

[Joe]

Yeah, I mean, I don't think. The thing is, is not even a lot of people have been watching Ohio State, other than Ohio. Ohio State fans, because they've just not been in a lot of games. They have. There's been a lot of friction. Right. Like, there's been too many good games. Yeah, there's been too many.

[Joel Anderson]

YouTube was the best thing to happen to them because, like, you kind of had, like, for us, like, we had to watch the Fox game. And then like I watched him play and I'm like, man, Jeremiah Smith, he should be in the Heisman conversation as well with Julian saying so.

[Joe]

I mean, the thing is, they're going.

[Joel Anderson]

To have spring games.

[Joe]

They're going to have the attention of the nation on them starting from the final week in November through, you know, maybe mid December when they had to play Michigan. And then when they get into the playoffs. And so, like, it's coming for them. Right?

[Joel Anderson]

They got two games, right?

[Joe]

Yeah, they got two games. And I mean, that's really. I mean, we always said that last year too. Like, Ohio State basically has a two to three game season. Right. And that's, I mean, that's just what it is. But I mean, that is a testament, Ohio State fans of how dominant they are. Yeah, but how time they are. Yeah, right. They, they take a lot of. That would be so fun to root for. The year TCU made it to the national championship. It was agonizing. It sucked because I couldn't enjoy a game until it was over. For being an Ohio State fan, it's just like. Let me check in real quick. Oh, they, they up 27 to nothing. I'm cool. You know, this Saturday has no stress whatsoever. That must be amazing.

[Joel Anderson]

They're about to go up 34 to zero as we're talking.

[Joe]

Yeah, man. Poor UCLA.

[Van Lathan]

But look, here's the thing, though. And this is what, this is why it must be frustrating for the fan base. They are that good. They are that good. And it's not their fault that Wisconsin's program has fallen off a cliff, that Penn State's program fell off a cliff this year. Even UCLA was supposed to be a little bit better than what they are right now. Know how good we really expected them to be. And then they have Michigan. You know, they don't have Oregon on this schedule, but, you know, they, they, they played them last year. They don't have Oregon on this schedule. They don't have Indiana on this schedule. But they will.

[Joel Anderson]

They will.

[Van Lathan]

They will. But they, they played the teams that were on the schedule and they've worked the teams that are on the schedule. Should there be flex scheduling in college football?

[Joe]

Nah, it's too much. Too much, too much.

[Van Lathan]

I like it. I like the chaos. You know what I want, I know that these, these teams have made these schedules. I want right now there to be a special scheduling thing because these, all of these divisions are so, all of these conferences are so big.

[Joe]

I.

[Van Lathan]

Pause. That's the way it's done, Joe.

[Joe]

Oh, is that how it works? Pause. But that's Van. Toxic lathan, man. Toxic masculinity. You don't gotta pause, brother. You don't gotta pause it.

[Joel Anderson]

I thought it was frozen.

[Van Lathan]

I think that we, we should. After the, after the meetings and after the preseason rankings come out and all that stuff, that we should look at the schedules and then we should make sure that there is. We should flex the schedule. I'm not being for real. I'm so for real. I think at the, at the media days and all of that stuff.

[Joel Anderson]

But the preseason was so bad this year. We were. Everyone was so wrong.

[Van Lathan]

I understand that.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay?

[Van Lathan]

But, but, but still. But I think it, it every, in every year, the two conference champions from the year prior should have to have played on the field. The two people that's in the conference championship game, they should have to have a regular season game or the person that came in second or whatever. There should be like a mini little thing. I haven't thought this through in there. To make sure that you just can't run the whole table of the second or third best teams in your conference and never have to play anybody on any given year. Then you have a situation like Florida where every single team on your schedule is a killer. It's just like there's too much of a crapshoot in college football right now.

[Joe]

No, I hear that. I hear. I hear. I just, you know, I don't think there's any real way.

[Joel Anderson]

Texas touchdown, by the way.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, really?

[Joe]

Okay. Look at him back in it.

[Billy]

Okay.

[Joe]

McConaughey is fired up, man. Remember, we. We spent the first three weeks of this show talking about Parker Livingstone, man.

[Joel Anderson]

He's going mia. He's like on a milk card right now.

[Joe]

I mean, the offense got better when Wingo became the who he's supposed to be.

[Joel Anderson]

It was a good throw by.

[Van Lathan]

It's so funny. You always come with that, with that, like, I mean, your. Your hatred for. For Parker Livingstone is like pure racism. And. And you, and you. And you always come. You always come at me with all of this stuff, toxicity and all of that. Everything, really. It's pure racism. Seahorn is somewhere going. I didn't go through all of this and break the color barrier of athleticism.

[Joe]

Talking about Jordan. Jordan Shipley.

[Van Lathan]

You think that what Danny Amendola went through.

[Joe]

Let me get what the.

[Van Lathan]

The color lines they used to make.

[Joel Anderson]

Do you think Ricky Pro people listen.

[Van Lathan]

They used to make Ed McCracker go through a different door at restaurants, on the road because he was a wide receiver. Caffrey couldn't even meet with the rest of the team because they were listening to Death Row records. Wanted to hear George Straight. And for you to come at it for this situation and besmirk the name of Parker Livingstone after what those guys went through to break the color barrier of white athleticism. That's terrible.

[Joel Anderson]

Billy Gill pointed out that Jerry Jones fought for Ed McCaffrey's rights.

[Joe]

You got you. You guys got me all wrong, man. I just had a lovely conversation with Chris Collinsworth. If you listen to the press box, that's the other podcast we talk. One of the great white receivers of all time. I'm a big Steve Largent fan. I saw Steve Largint play. You know what I'm saying? You didn't see me talk about Hunter Renfro, right? You see me talk about Tim DWight. You know.

[Van Lathan]

Arkansas.

[Joe]

Yeah. You didn't hear me talk about Brian Fennering. You can be talking about Tim Smith. Y' all don't even know who Tim Smith is.

[Joel Anderson]

Wes. Welcome, Texas Tech.

[Joe]

Ken Smith used to play for Houston oilers in the 80s. He's the leading receiver for them for a few years.

[Van Lathan]

Did you ask.

[Joel Anderson]

They just wanted that rant to get Cliff, which I really respect.

[Joe]

That's. Did you not.

[Van Lathan]

Did you ask Chris Collinsworth about the time that he said, I like girls that come on too bright. Come on, man.

[Joe]

66. Sneaky old Chris Collinsworth. 66 years old, man.

[Van Lathan]

He's been around for a long time. Aren't you bright? Because you can trick them a little bit. High school girls love me. 14 to 18 years old.

[Joe]

It was a different. It was a different. I can't. I know I did. We did not ask him about that. His capacity as an NBC. NBC Football Night in America. You kept it.

[Joel Anderson]

Pff.

[Joe]

Representative. Yeah, Pff. We talked about that. He did. He did go up hard for Kevin. Pff.

[Billy]

Not op.

[Van Lathan]

Went up hard for.

[Joe]

What's wrong with y', all, man? What's wrong with y', all, man? What's wrong with you, man? I need to look. Somebody check Van's browser. What has Brand been doing, man? What has he been doing, man?

[Billy]

Bro.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, we gotta do. You know, I don't want to get nobody in trouble.

[Joe]

No, exactly.

[Van Lathan]

But we got a show just on wild clips from the past, man. They used to be wilding. Yeah. What. What the. You ever see the clip of. Of Sean.

[Joe]

Of.

[Van Lathan]

Of Sean Connery telling Barbara Walters.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

To just smack.

[Joe]

You gotta smack your woman. Right? You gotta smack your wife again every now and again. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

O my God.

[Joe]

Yeah, man. I would. And I would. I would. Do you remember what outlet interviewed him?

[Van Lathan]

Who was.

[Joe]

Who was that?

[Van Lathan]

I think it was NBC Sports.

[Joe]

Oh, man.

[Van Lathan]

Apparently he addressed your training.

[Joe]

What did he say?

[Van Lathan]

Should we give him. Should we give his side of the story?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

As a family man. I'm extremely embarrassed by an interview I did when I was in my early 20s. He said my comments were insulting, immature, and foolishly intended as a joke. They do not reflect how I live my life then or now. I was asked to do something humorous about dating, and there's been a major embarrassment to me since that. Apologize to anyone who has ever had the misfortune to see it now or a quarter century ago. That's.

[Joe]

Man.

[Van Lathan]

Good apology around. Chris is playing.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man.

[Joe]

Chris, man.

[Van Lathan]

Chris Collins.

[Joe]

Chris.

[Van Lathan]

One of the.

[Joe]

One of the best receivers of all Time, man. AFC Central. Great.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Chris was just around, y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Van Lathan]

It was just joking.

[Joe]

He was just joking.

[Joel Anderson]

I will say, when you start as a family man, comma, usually not a good. Usually you're talking about something that you. You said that wasn't great. So it's not great.

[Van Lathan]

We've all said. Who amongst us hasn't? Well, not like that, but.

[Joe]

Yeah, man. No.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Joe]

What do you mean by. Okay, I want to say something, and you guys are gonna. You guys are gonna criticize. You know what? Forget it. I'm not gonna say it.

[Van Lathan]

Say it.

[Joe]

I don't need it. I don't need Billy.

[Van Lathan]

What the, bro? Billy's gonna give Billy on. Like, like, like. Okay, Billy says.

[Joel Anderson]

Billy, you there? Billy, we need you to get Billy on, man. Clearly.

[Joe]

Clear. Clear. Clear out the. Clear. Clear out the side of the floor for me so I can go one on one. Okay. Now don't set. Like, keep in mind I at the time or I. I know this is a disgusting person. Okay. Oh, and he's a bad person.

[Joel Anderson]

Good start.

[Billy]

A family man.

[Joel Anderson]

As a family man.

[Joe]

Yeah, he's a bad. He's a bad guy. But I kind of felt like when R. Kelly said, what do you mean by teenager? I like 19 year olds. No, I was like, okay, like, he didn't say 17. We not. The thing is, we know that that's what he was into, but as a. I. I was like, he said a 19 year old. He wanted clarification because he's like, man, are they gonna ask me about a 19 year old?

[Van Lathan]

And then.

[Joe]

And he's like, okay, I. I got that covered. I could say I.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, Joel pulled out the defined teenage. Was not what I expected.

[Joe]

What are we talking about?

[Joel Anderson]

Joel.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, Billy, are you aware.

[Billy]

Back around, Joel.

[Van Lathan]

Billy. Billy, are you aware of the clip he's talking about?

[Joe]

No.

[Van Lathan]

Okay.

[Joe]

You've never seen that clip.

[Van Lathan]

Shout out. Shout out to the Homie Torre. Toure is interviewing R. Kelly Chappelle.

[Joe]

Show came to me and Bo's live show in New York and heckled us, man. Not shout out to Terre.

[Van Lathan]

What you mean?

[Joe]

He came to me and Bo's last show in New York and heckled us. Doug, what was he.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, he heckled you.

[Joe]

I mean, he heckled us from the audience.

[Van Lathan]

I don't believe that. It's. It. Making it up.

[Billy]

What'd he say?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, what happened?

[Joe]

He just kept. Ask Bo. Ask Bo.

[Joel Anderson]

Take your hat off.

[Van Lathan]

All right, 10 to 14 right now, 4 to 1. Why don't you bring Billy in this Punting. So, Billy, this is what happened. Billy. Billy, you get to judge this and you get to judge whether or not R. Kelly was right, which is what Joel just said.

[Joe]

I didn't say he was right. I didn't say he wasn't wrong.

[Billy]

I'm leaning, though.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, so Torre.

[Joe]

I don't know how to haul.

[Van Lathan]

He was interviewing R. Kelly. Like, this had to be like 2001, 2002, 2003, something like that, right?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, it's like, it's like 2003. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Okay. And he asked something about R. Kelly, whether or not, you know, he's into teenagers. Like, he likes teenagers. And R. Kelly says, depends on what you mean by teenage. And, and, and you can see on Terray's face now, remember, this is after the R. Kelly video had come out, after the marriage to Aaliyah, allegedly. Whatever happened, I don't know. We never really got clarification on this. And so Troy is like, what do you mean? What do I mean? Teenagers. And everybody knows that that's the wrong answer for R. Kelly. One person. There's one person who thinks that's actually an okay answer for R. Kelly, and that's Joe Anderson.

[Joe]

I thought it was. I thought it was a.

[Joel Anderson]

Wore his number based on his album, Right?

[Billy]

That's true.

[Joe]

Hey, I told you that it also was a. It was a tribute to Leon Johnson, the former USC great. That jersey was so dope. LL Cool J Ward in the, you know, hey, lover video, man.

[Joel Anderson]

I didn't know that.

[Joe]

You remember that. Go look it up.

[Van Lathan]

What's your opinion? We need your opinion. Like, do you think that if you. If. Because that's. That's basically the same thing. Joel is basically like Melike and Kelly. It's the same thing that Megan Kelly said.

[Joe]

I thought you said, we want to do politics. That's why. That's why them people hate you, man. You brought up earlier one of the.

[Van Lathan]

Reasons that is true. I apologize, guys. I can't stop myself. But do you think that Joel is right? That R. Kelly asking R. Kelly, who was in his 40s at that time asking about that, do you think. Well, maybe 30s. But do you think that Joel has a point that, you know, he wanted clarity.

[Joe]

He said he wanted clarity about what was an acceptable teenager to be in a relationship with and you thought that.

[Billy]

Was a good question?

[Joe]

I. I said it wasn't good. I said it wasn't bad because I thought he was trying to defend. He was like, man, what if Turay is going to ask me about a 19 year old and so he probably was like, all right, yeah, I've been with a 19 year old before. It was, it was a way to dodge the deeper, nastier accusations that go in.

[Billy]

But there's like only 1/7 of a way that could have gone right, right between 13 and 19. Like there's only one number that.

[Van Lathan]

That was only two.

[Billy]

18, I guess. Yeah, two.

[Joel Anderson]

That's too close though.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I mean, if in Some states it's 17 as more saying about that, Ask Mark Sanchez about that. Mark Sanchez.

[Van Lathan]

Now we just exposing people. So this is what I'll say.

[Billy]

Sanchez's got his hands tied.

[Van Lathan]

If anybody asks you that problem, just that question, just say. It's easy way to say it. Say, hey, I like to spend my time in the company of adult women.

[Joe]

That's a good answer.

[Joel Anderson]

That's the right answer. The answer that is the right somebody.

[Van Lathan]

Somebody says, hey, do you like teenage?

[Joe]

I like, do you want to come with me to America?

[Van Lathan]

Adult women, boom, adult 20, adult whatever. You want to be creepy and with that, that's fine. But like, but that's not what R. Kelly said. He said it depends on what you mean by teenage. Which means there's probably a range for Kels. And Joel thought, okay, I like that tape.

[Joe]

I didn't say I liked it. I didn't say it. I didn't say I liked it. I didn't say I liked it. I just said I thought that he was trying to back, you know, give himself some cushion in case it came out later. In case this real came out. He's like, yeah, I've been with 18 and 19 year old. Anyway, don't, don't. Let's not talk about. I know, then it's a. Joel, stop, man. Hey, Joel, do you have your passport? Do you have your shot? Come with me to America.

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[Joel Anderson]

All right, while we have Billy here, let's do one big question because I do find this fascinating. What's the point of playing college football games and just football games in general in baseball stadiums? Today we had Northwestern at Wrigley, which was a great game, a walk off kick to win that game for Michigan. Do we have an answer for this? Is this like a pageantry or, you know, do we like seeing games in baseball stadiums? It feels like it's becoming more and more of a thing.

[Van Lathan]

Person that can't tell, you can't tell.

[Joe]

I couldn't tell that it was Wrigley. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I watched the game.

[Joel Anderson]

So again, what's the point if you can't even tell what they're playing?

[Van Lathan]

You expect to feel away that it's at Wrigley feel and I couldn't tell.

[Joe]

Right, right.

[Van Lathan]

It looked the same to me.

[Joe]

It's just that, it's just too bad that they couldn't play at that little cute JV stadium they've got on the lake right there because that's a really beautiful little stadium.

[Joel Anderson]

But I do like that stadium. I've been to that stadium. Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah. But the problem is that all, you know, Michigan probably was going to bring like what, 50,000 fans. I mean that is Chicago. So they, they could, they just could not play it there. Like it just, they, they couldn't play it in that little old stadium. But, you know. Yeah, I mean, I think it's kind of cool. I like the idea of taking the game out of a, you know, putting in somewhere unusual like when they play a game.

[Joel Anderson]

The Pinstripe Battleship.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

We have the Fenway Bowl. Petco park has a bowl now. Billy, Billy, your thoughts? Do you think this is necessary?

[Billy]

I mean it's usually for, like, smaller schools. Right.

[Joel Anderson]

Because.

[Billy]

Because football stadiums are bigger than baseball stadiums. But they. Aren't they playing like a lacrosse field or something right now while they're working on their stadium?

[Joel Anderson]

I think so.

[Billy]

So it has.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. That's just stadium.

[Billy]

Yeah. Michigan's just taking too many people. But, like, Wrigley's had bowl games where the. The field's too close to, like the brick walls. And they run into the brick walls, like, they'll put like, some padding there. But, like, it's never good. It's never a good. It always looks weird. Like the. The Tropicana Field used to have bowl games like every year. Like, oh, boys, mowers, bowls and stuff like that. And they'd fill this before Brady's bowl, man.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I mean, the Dolphins played on a baseball field, you know, for a time when they were sharing the space. Right.

[Billy]

Well, I mean, the Raiders, it was more. The Marlins played on a football stadium. Yeah. Like, the Dolphins played on a baseball field, um, played against FIU. And Marlins park lost. Great. Game is fired.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Billy]

2019.

[Joe]

Billy, I remember that I was looking this up the other day, man, for some reason. Did you know that FIU has the worst winning percentage of any team in. In fbs? Man, it was something. I'm. I don't believe I'm making that up.

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[Billy]

What?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Is that true?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, man.

[Joe]

Today.

[Billy]

What's going on?

[Van Lathan]

Well, I'll just say it.

[Joe]

I was just shocked.

[Joel Anderson]

I was like, don't remember your last appearance. He's like, I'm coming with heat today.

[Joe]

You know, in Miami. Like, you have to try to. You have to try really hard to be that bad. Bad. I mean, even your fifth string guys. I mean, welcome to my world.

[Billy]

Billy, we're one game away from bowl eligibility. Like, what's your deal?

[Joe]

I can, man, I'm proud of y', all, man. We're bow game, you think?

[Billy]

I was taking notes today on what we would talk about later. And like, my biggest takeaway was going to be the chat needs to lighten up on Joel. Like, they're being too mean to Joel. He's going in there. He's getting too sensitive. It's affecting him. Like he's turning his hat around. It was bad happen. He's turning hat around.

[Van Lathan]

And now I call.

[Joe]

I gotta call on this episode.

[Joel Anderson]

By the way, not by the chat, though.

[Joe]

Who's in charge of.

[Van Lathan]

First of all, I didn't call you. That's not what I said. And this, this is the whole deal. This Is what happened with Mark Lamont Hill and Flip. Shout out to both of them brothers. Flip. Mark is my man. Flip did not call Mark a sucker. He said it's sucker. Now I will say this.

[Joel Anderson]

He's saying the act, not the actor.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Joel definitely not. Joel is the man. Joel, fastest 10 year old in the whole country and possibly 11 year old ball player.

[Joe]

I was really good.

[Van Lathan]

Avid R. Kelly fan.

[Joe]

Avid's not. That's no need to say that. No need to say that because that's not true.

[Van Lathan]

I'm looking up you. Now. FIU has had a lot of notable coaches, but today, Butch Davis.

[Joe]

Yeah, like what?

[Billy]

Fired Mario Crystal Ball because he was bad?

[Van Lathan]

Mario Crystal Balls on this list.

[Joe]

Everybody's tried.

[Van Lathan]

Where does FIU is? FIU is. Is it one of those rehabilitate your coaching image or first job smaller schools?

[Billy]

I mean, it's in Conference usa. So like you had Butch Davis on. Butch is Butch's last stop. It was Crystal Ball's first stop. Willie Simmons. Now who's the coach? It's his first stop as a head coach in Division one. So.

[Joe]

And this is what I'm saying, man. They always get the brothers the bad jobs, man. It's the one time they.

[Van Lathan]

Whoa.

[Joe]

They elevate somebody from hbcu. He has a job. The team with the worst winning percentage in FBS history. It's great. I mean, again, I just. It's just, you know, I don't like you.

[Billy]

I'm just good. Oh, Billy, man, I was gonna defend you.

[Joe]

I mean, that's not what you said. That's not what she said to Allison. I know that I have. You have a one spot for me in your heart. No, and that's fine. Allison didn't say. Allison said that you said that I was a cool guy. And I told her. I was like, man, I really like Billy too. So we, you know, he's just trying. Billy's putting on for our company. He wants to. He's trying to pretend. But I'm a likable person, man. That's the thing about it. It really is.

[Van Lathan]

I'm looking at the. All the people that came from FIU in various sports. Raja Bell.

[Joe]

Isaiah Thomas didn't coach the basketball team at FIU for a minute.

[Van Lathan]

Who?

[Joe]

Isaiah Thomas.

[Billy]

Yeah, he did. I was at that press conference. It was ridiculous. Didn't last very long. He was a disaster.

[Van Lathan]

Remember when Carlos Arroyo tortured the US Men's Olympic team?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

He had like, couldn't guard him. It was so nuts. Ty Hilton?

[Joe]

Yeah, man.

[Joel Anderson]

And one of the greatest touchdown celebrations.

[Billy]

The hall of Famer.

[Joel Anderson]

So good.

[Van Lathan]

You guys got. You got authors and entertainers. I don't know who any of these people are, but Joe maybe, maybe. Oh, Andy Garcia.

[Joe]

Wait, the actor?

[Billy]

Terry Benedict Vincent.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, like, he went to. He's. Hey, what am I doing with this guy, huh? He went to fiu.

[Billy]

Johnny Smith. Ever heard of him?

[Van Lathan]

No.

[Joel Anderson]

Good player.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joe]

The tight end, right?

[Joel Anderson]

For the Falcons with the Steelers now. Yeah. Oh, yeah, he's with Aaron Rodgers. He's like the only guy Aaron Rodgers will throw the ball to consistently.

[Van Lathan]

It. This Texas Georgia game is a bad brand of football. It is not a game that is super interesting to look at, man.

[Joel Anderson]

Ole Miss Florida is a good game, by the way.

[Joe]

Yeah, Ole Miss is, man. Well, yeah, you know what? This is smart. This is the right play. Go for a touchdown.

[Joel Anderson]

But, oh, the touchdown. All right, Florida got the stop. So now Florida gets the ball back with 242 to play. Down three.

[Joe]

Man, I root Florida, man.

[Van Lathan]

I'm rooting for Florida too. Billy, do you feel like I saw you on the Bill Simmons podcast and you know that's the flagship. Okay, so that's. That's awesome. Do you feel like Bill saw the heater that you were on as far as ringer tailgate and went, I gotta go get him from my pot? Do you feel like Bill kinda. Bill kind of like kind of jumped on our a little bit? You like, did you. Did you let him know it's tailgate, fam? Hello.

[Billy]

Coaching.

[Van Lathan]

You're saying banging in Little Rock five yard situation. Who you ride for, Billy, you ride for the Bill Simmons podcast or tailgate?

[Joe]

I mean, bloody and blood out.

[Billy]

This is home, you know, that's a road game a little bit. This is home. Sometimes you got to go on the road, you know?

[Joel Anderson]

You do. Yeah.

[Billy]

Schedules on the road.

[Joel Anderson]

You got to show the skill travels.

[Van Lathan]

A lot of people pissed off about Paul Bunyan Land.

[Billy]

Why? Who's pissed?

[Joe]

It says what?

[Van Lathan]

No, people are saying that. Is that like weird coastal elites and that not every place can have like a Six Flags or Disneyland. And Paul Bunyan is a part. I didn't know this. That Paul Bunyan is like from Minnesota. That's where he's from.

[Joe]

Really?

[Van Lathan]

He was born there.

[Joel Anderson]

Yes. Prince and Paul Bunyan.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. I don't know that Paul Bully is not a real person, but I've forgotten Lore. Yeah. So I used to love that babe. The blue ox, fatty, like all his. His little crew that he had the tall American tall tales and all of that stuff. I Used to all love that.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

They said that we us hating on Paul Bunyan land makes us look like coastal elites. I don't.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't want from Texas message and say that he is not the tallest animatronic in the U. S. There's one in Texas.

[Joe]

Is it big? It's probably big. Text at the Texas State Fair, man.

[Joel Anderson]

There you go.

[Joe]

Hey, I gotta respond.

[Joel Anderson]

So they were saying stolen valor Billy on the pamphlet people.

[Billy]

I talked to someone about that. It turns out spoiler alert. And I don't want to. I don't want to. If there's any kids that are watching this, you're a horrible parent for letting your kids watch this. 2018, many kids watching this. I found out it's just a guy with a microphone that's behind Paul Bunyan. And then he just says like your kid's name because you tell the guy like your kid's name. And then the man in the microphone like talks to your kids as Paul Bunyan.

[Joel Anderson]

It's a Wizard of Oz situation.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Kind of like a ghost in the. You know what? You know, it'll be an ill ass horror film. They kind of did this in it a little bit. But what if Paul Bunyan came to life and Paul Bunyan land, like, what if kill kids? Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

They would have to be like teenagers or middle schoolers. Don't act like we haven't put kids in danger.

[Billy]

What do you mean by teenager?

[Van Lathan]

There you go. That's the question.

[Joel Anderson]

It all loops back.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Paul Bunyan come to life and he's. And he kills. But in this one, he would only kill Paul. Bullying goes racist and it's like he only kills the kids of color. And it's like, oh, wow, I got dark. It got dark.

[Joe]

Hey, you know there's a meme on the Internet of the. It's like a white guy with a real strong chin. He's like in black and white and he's kind of smiling off to the side, you know, like that kind of dude is that. I always kind of thought, oh, is he supposed to be kind of like a Paul Bunyan esque figure? You know what I'm talking. I feel like he's sort of racist adjacent. And I haven't quite figured out what the meme is supposed to represent. The people in the chat know what I'm talking about, Joel, I don't know.

[Joel Anderson]

If you want to go back in the chat.

[Billy]

Yes.

[Joe]

Yeah, fair, Fair point. I told man. Look, I don't defend terrible people. Although I do think that I'd rather probably been a good defense attorney, I think if I'd ever. If I'd ever decided to go that route.

[Van Lathan]

Well, I'll tell you one thing. You didn't help Chris Collinsworth or R. Kelly today because nobody was thinking about what them did. And now it's like, wait, you the.

[Joe]

One that brought the Chris Collinsworth stuff like random. I was telling you.

[Van Lathan]

I tell you what. Chris Collinsworth. I just want to. That's funny. Stuff like that is funny. I'm sure what he said is true. I'm just joking around. Let me say something crazy. You don't know that the Internet gonna be around. No one. No one knew. No one knew. That's like. No one knew.

[Joel Anderson]

He thought it would be one night.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

On tv.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I mean, we'll see it again different, you know. Yeah, man, I was. I was just talking about. Chris Collinsworth is one of the great wide receivers in the history of league. And also the chat is telling me that that guy is Chad. Chad Fitz. That's the meme that I'm talking about. Chad Giga.

[Van Lathan]

Chad.

[Joe]

Is that what it is?

[Van Lathan]

What, cng?

[Joe]

Yeah. I'm looking in here, man.

[Van Lathan]

What are you talking about?

[Billy]

Chad can tell you anything.

[Van Lathan]

Joel.

[Billy]

Read what the chat is saying.

[Van Lathan]

The chat trying to line you up does. Hey, Billy, you know what this is?

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

What? How do we feel about this?

[Billy]

I don't like it.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't like it either. Why?

[Joe]

Yeah, what's the problem? What's you have against it? Billy, how old are your kids?

[Billy]

My kids? Two and four.

[Joe]

Oh, okay.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, so they're not to this age?

[Joe]

What?

[Van Lathan]

What? Why?

[Joe]

Why?

[Van Lathan]

Why? I feel like this right here. Six, seven. I feel like that bothers people. I feel like it angers people. The 6 7, right? Why does it. Why does it bother people? You see the. The lady scored this. They got 67 points in the game and all the kids went nuts. Why does this trigger people? Why people trigger by six, seven.

[Joe]

Do they think it's like two Sam Cassell adjacent with the.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, the Sam Cassell's is funny. Big balls.

[Van Lathan]

But why does it bother y'? All? Y' all say y' all don't like it. Why does it bother you?

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

It doesn't really bother me.

[Billy]

Old people started doing it. Honestly.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's really. Yeah, it's like once it became like mainstream, it's like it was funny when it was lamello ball Jason and like.

[Billy]

It got to kind of knew what it meant.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Now you got like your t. Your fourth grade teacher is like, the kids have six, seven T shirts on today. Haha. You're like, yeah, I'm out.

[Joe]

Damn.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey.

[Van Lathan]

I didn't realize how cool Tate was. Tate's cool. Everyone loves Tate. Tate's like. Tate said Flatline by DJ Unk and everybody was like, oh, my God. Tate's cool. Tate's a cool take guy.

[Joel Anderson]

Usually they say horrible stuff about me. That's why I don't go in the chat. I stay away from the chat. The chat's usually. Chat's tough.

[Joe]

You would have. You would have cleaned up at hbcu, bro. You would be. You'd have been. You'd have been, all right.

[Van Lathan]

You been like, back before y' all were in y' all relationships. Did y' all sleep with black ladies?

[Joel Anderson]

Joel? I never. I never had a preference. I'm for everybody, Joel.

[Joe]

But you know what? I'm not gonna say.

[Joel Anderson]

But.

[Joe]

I can't say it.

[Van Lathan]

No.

[Joe]

Someone joke. Huh?

[Billy]

My foot hurts. You know someone.

[Joe]

Hey, man, come on. Billy's poking me, man. Billy's poking me, bro.

[Joel Anderson]

You're giving him ammo.

[Joe]

I didn't. I didn't think. I didn't think that that was going to lead to this. I did not, man. It was sad too, because it made throwback Joe.

[Van Lathan]

We gonna have to bring her on the show.

[Joe]

No, no, no, we not. No, we not.

[Van Lathan]

You better end this live.

[Joel Anderson]

No, I just have. I have some quick hitters before we leave. Okay?

[Van Lathan]

Let's go.

[Joel Anderson]

Quick hitters so we can save Joel, but we should all take a trip to Houston with Joel, and then maybe we all. You know, maybe that's what it is. We all take a trip to Houston.

[Joe]

That's. I mean, y'.

[Van Lathan]

All.

[Joe]

Y' all are not going to succeed. Y'.

[Van Lathan]

All.

[Joe]

You're not going to be.

[Joel Anderson]

We're all going to H town. You not going bring your tailgate. We're going on a field trip.

[Joe]

I've already told you, Florida just G days are over.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, Florida just gave up the ghost. Ole Miss.

[Joel Anderson]

Florida done. Texas seems like they're basically done.

[Joe]

Georgia's different. Utah beating the out of people again, man. Baylor's down, man. Man, a random man. David random, man. I. So this will put them at 5 and 5.

[Joel Anderson]

Baylor, 500. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

That might not be a touchdown. I think he's short. I think Ole Miss is short.

[Joe]

Say something about Michigan, man. Say something about Michigan.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, Michigan.

[Joe]

We didn't even.

[Van Lathan]

We didn't talk. We didn't talk.

[Joel Anderson]

That was the baseball football conversation. But yeah, Michigan beats Northwestern. Walk off game winning field goal. Not an impressive performance. Five turnovers in that game for Michigan, but they found a way to win.

[Joe]

I mean, look, man, you know, the thing is I gotta give Bryce Underwood his props, man. The game was on the line. They needed that last drive to set up the game winning field goal. Third and ten from the Michigan 37 after the two minute warning and he hit somebody for a 21 yard reception. Andrew Marsh. It was freshman to freshman, man. So I was like, all right, you know, again, I don't know, like, I still don't think Michigan's that good. But I mean, it doesn't matter. They've only lost two games. They're still in the playoff hunt. But that's a, that was a big moment for Bryce Underwood, man. He didn't have Justice Haynes today. You know, I mean, it's just. Now that's, that's, that's one of those things, one of those wins that even though it was just Northwestern, it's like, all right, you can build, you can build on that.

[Joel Anderson]

That he also faked out the cameraman on that, you know, that option play where he ran for the touchdown. Like the cameraman follows the, the running back and that. I always love that when like the, it's such a good fake that even the guys in the box or in the booth can't even figure out who has the football. So give Bryce Underwood some love. Another guy I wanted to give some love. Linebacker Jacob Rodriguez for Texas Tech. He, they put him in at quarterback. He played quarterback in high school. He also played quarterback at Virginia. He's a linebacker now for Texas Tech. They put him in to score a touchdown and then he hit the Heisman pose. So smart Heisman celebration. So Jacob Rodriguez officially in the mix for the Heisman. So, you know, that was a big moment. Do you believe in that? Van? Do, do you think Jacob Rodriguez will be in New York?

[Van Lathan]

No. No. Like the AI Generated recap of the chat says. What. What does it say?

[Billy]

So there's an AI generated recap of what the, the chat from the show today has been. And it's. Viewers in the chat are reacting to Joel's controversial comments, with some comparing him to Megyn Kelly. They are discussing the implications of his statements and referencing past events and related figures like R. Kelly.

[Van Lathan]

And.

[Joe]

I feel like I got jumped. Did y' all see that video? NBA Young boy concert in, in Seattle. And there was this brother in the ridge in a red jacket. He was handling business. Business, man. He was the only one he Was one on four. And that's kind of how.

[Van Lathan]

That's not. Joe, that's not true. Joe. Hold on, bro.

[Joe]

Yeah, it was one on four, bro.

[Van Lathan]

I was like that Joe.

[Joe]

That was like he had a down on the ground like this.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

This is the joke.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm on your side.

[Van Lathan]

Me too. I don't think so. The Joe like you, you, you get a little bit. See how you came ready to, to besmirch Billy and it was cool. Now it's up with Billy. Wait, what was, what did I do?

[Joe]

How did I besmirch Billy? I just said you went with the fiu.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Billy]

I came to defend you today.

[Van Lathan]

Facts back to Michigan. I think the Michigan. I think the big game this year, Michigan, Ohio State is going to be the most interesting game of the year. I have no idea what could possibly happen. I think Michigan is a. Michigan is a very flawed team, but maybe they're a little bit more solid than we think that they are.

[Joel Anderson]

I think they're a live dog in that game. You said.

[Van Lathan]

I think Michigan's a very flawed team.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Very flawed team. You can make some of the same arguments about Michigan that you've, that, you know, I've made about other teams here, but like, I think they're, there's some there there with them. They, they, they. They're a team that has, they got a lot of talent and they're just waiting to kind of get to a point where they can put it all together with the right scheme. I think the best is still yet to come for them. We'll just, we'll see what happens next.

[Joe]

Year is their year next year. Is that. Yeah, I guess that's the thing that you look forward to. You say Bryce on the wood gets better. Is Justice Haynes, Is he, is he coming back? I think Justice Haynes is a, I.

[Van Lathan]

Think he's a senior. You know, he's a junior. He's a junior.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, he's a junior. Okay.

[Van Lathan]

When you look at Michigan, they've lost to the really only good teams that they have really been up against. They lost to Oklahoma, they lost to usc and you know, they eek out games and they, they, they play cl. Close games. I just, it's almost like looking at what they have on. On their roster, you keep waiting for it to come together for them.

[Joe]

But the great thing Ohio State can do is they can, they can, they could attempt to humiliate them this year and knock them out of the playoff race. Right. Because that, that third a three loss, Michigan's not going to the playoffs, so.

[Van Lathan]

No. No.

[Joe]

Yeah. So that'll. That. That'll be the end of that if Ohio State, you know, does what they're supposed to. But we could have said that last year.

[Joel Anderson]

I love it. We could have said a lot of.

[Joe]

Things on Memphis and East Carolina. Good game, by the way, man.

[Joel Anderson]

Memphis happening right now, right?

[Joe]

No, it's over. East Carolina beat Memphis last. They won in the fourth quarter. It's a touchdown pass with, like, 15 seconds to go, man.

[Joel Anderson]

ECU's another program. We were talking about FIU having some, you know, some notable characters. ECU, Lincoln, Riley. That's where he started as the OC.

[Van Lathan]

David.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

David Garage, Jeff, Blake.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, there's a lot of good.

[Joe]

I mean, Garner, Gardner, Minshew played. Played two years.

[Joel Anderson]

That's right before going to Wazoo. Love it.

[Van Lathan]

Look, listen, if you're gonna close out the show right now, Tate, if we're about to go, I do want to. I do want. Joel.

[Joe]

Oh, my God.

[Van Lathan]

Quickly, tell the story of Turay heckling him and Bomani Jones from the crowd and what this beef is about. Because I did Terre's show last year, or maybe it was earlier this year. I can't remember. What did he say when he was in the. In the. In the crowd heckling y'?

[Joe]

All? Okay, so somebody, my boy, R.D. constant, who's here in the chat, he says, I can tell you from the night. From that night, Turay heckle Joel and Bomani. So there you go. That it really did happen. But, you know, I. I wish I could say it was more. It was. He was interjecting and correcting us while we were talking, like he was just trying to interject. And so. And Bomani, I'm going to go ahead and say this because you were there. You said it in front of everybody. Okay? Bomani says to Ture standing up in the middle of the crowd, Trey standing up, most other people sitting down. Bomati says to Terray, hey, bro, they came. They paid to see us, not you. And. And you could just see, like, Turade kind of. Just kind of shrink. You know what I'm saying? So anyway, Trey kind of don't like me already because we got. We had some beef over My Slow Burn three and the. The. His interview of Tupac that ran and. And Rolling Stone many years ago. And we had. We had beef over the interpretation of some things Tupac said in that interview. I don't know if he remembers that, but if he does, all right, you know, here we are. But Anyway, so, yeah, I don't. I don't dislike Terray. I don't have any problems with him, but I did think he was a little. He was talking a little bit too much for somebody that wasn't at the table. You know, I wouldn't have said what both said, but, you know, Bo is a different cat, man. That's why. I mean, that's why Bomani is Bomani.

[Van Lathan]

Tell y' all something right now. McShay. Fine. Bomb Tate versus what's the guy? Michael Lombardo in North Carolina.

[Joel Anderson]

Michael Lombardi, my guy.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that you. That's he. You. Oh, no, actually, it's Tate versus Pablo and Joel versus Torre.

[Joe]

Damn.

[Van Lathan]

You and you and Torre. I didn't realize that this was going on.

[Joel Anderson]

I got no beef with Pablo.

[Joe]

I don't have beef with to that.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm like, Joel, I'm like.

[Billy]

I got no view, stand out business.

[Joe]

Joel, I'm not. I'm not. I mean, the only. See, this is kind of weird. Makes you look like a punk. I ain't got no problems. Like, if anybody. There was. There was a rapper that tried to fight me that. That whole season was crazy about that. That thing Lil Sean Hickey's on her chest. He.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, that.

[Joe]

That invited me to have a fade in know. And he called me a herb and said I look skinny. Which was like, I know you ain't looking. You didn't even bother to look at my Instagram if you thought I was skinny. And what's the other. Oh, yeah, man. Kevin Powell almost got into a fight with my producer during that. During that season of Slow Burn 3. It was crazy, man. It's a lot going on.

[Van Lathan]

That was worth it. That was worth it.

[Joel Anderson]

No, I think we got the clarity we all wanted. Joel's. Joel, the chat loves you. We got. We got people in the chat saying they love you. So it's all good. We're all good here.

[Joe]

Hey, I want to bring one last thing up. Tank, can I say it?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, please.

[Joe]

I want to give a shout out to tsu. Texas Southern University, a school I attended in kindergarten. You know the TSU lab. They went to Baton Rouge tonight. Van, I don't know if you knew that.

[Van Lathan]

I didn't know.

[Joe]

They went to Baton Rouge and one in Southern for the first time since 2010. They're on. They're one win away. And it looks like they probably could win that game against Alabama A M at the season finale. It'll be their first winning season since I think 2000. So shout out Texas Southern University, man. H town's finest right there. That Megan the Stallion went to tsu.

[Van Lathan]

It is a historically bad season for Southern University. It's a historically bad season in the bluffs. On the bluff. If you think that LSU isn't used to. We at Southern, we definitely ain't used to what's on the football field there. So congratulations to tsu. But, like, it is a historically bad Southern University Jaguars football team right now.

[Joel Anderson]

Terrible or changes coming soon.

[Van Lathan]

You think they fired the coach this year?

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. All right.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

So they change. They already. They already fired the coach, so.

[Joe]

No, we brought Billy on for a reason. They said.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh.

[Joe]

They said, I won't win this fight with Billy, by the way. Well, I'm not fighting with Billy.

[Billy]

We're not fighting.

[Joe]

We're not fighting.

[Van Lathan]

No.

[Joe]

We're waiting.

[Van Lathan]

Hold on for a second. Turn down the fade. Like, it's like if Billy.

[Joe]

If I saw what you did to your dog. Van tried to gas his dog up to get bit by a squirrel, man. I saw that video. Yeah, man. Van was out walking his dog. He posted this on ig and he saw a squirrel, and he was trying to egg his dog on to fight this squirrel, man. That squirrel would have your dog up, man. You would have been right there trying to get it. Rabies shots, not bows. Yeah, man. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Tate met bows. Gotta get it. But listen, here's my thing. You gotta get it in blood. And that's what some. That's what sometimes has to happen. If, in fact, there's some kind of smoke between Billy and Joel. Billy Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, Billy Joel.

[Van Lathan]

If there's some kind of smoke, then it's about blood. We could do. We could. We could do this like gentlemen. Or we could handle it with some gangster, huh? You know what I'm saying?

[Joel Anderson]

I know gangster.

[Van Lathan]

I know you do. I know you do. Because this is Scarface versus Nino Brown.

[Joe]

Cuban black.

[Van Lathan]

Combining gangster find out Wednesday on ring or tailgate.

[Joel Anderson]

We're all gonna find out. And as Dabo Sweeney taught us on Friday night, the record does not define you. So we have a. A lot to get to on Wednesday. We appreciate everybody tuning in to Ringer Tailgate. Been a lot of fun. Hope everybody enjoyed the show, especially Joel. And we will see you guys on Wednesday.

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