CFB Week 14 LIVE Reactions: Ohio State-Michigan and What's Next for Lane Kiffin? | Ringer Tailgate

Summary

Ringer Tailgate — CFB Week 14 Live Reactions: Ohio State-Michigan, Playoff Chaos & What's Next for Lane Kiffin?

Podcast: Ringer Tailgate
Date: November 30, 2025
Hosts: Tate Frazier, Van Lathan, Joel Anderson (with Billy Gill joining)
Theme: The crew gathers live to break down College Football’s wildest rivalry games, deep-dive the Ohio State–Michigan thriller, dissect Playoff controversies, and react to the latest Lane Kiffin drama, all with their signature mix of sharp analysis and playful banter.

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Episode Overview

This Week 14 live episode centers on instant reactions to the colossal rivalry games, especially the seismic Ohio State–Michigan showdown. The hosts grapple with what the results mean for Playoff contenders like Miami, Texas, and Notre Dame, and tackle the drama swirling around Lane Kiffin’s next move. As always, the conversation is high-energy, unfiltered, and full of laugh-out-loud moments.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Ohio State Beats Michigan: Turning the Rivalry Tide

• OSU’s Dominant Defense:
  • Tate drops a stat: Ohio State is first team since the 1975 Gators to hold its first 12 opponents under 17 pts (03:00).
  • Van Lathan: “Ryan Day in this game called one hell of a game... shook the monkey off his back and got over the hump against Michigan, man.” (03:18)
  • Joel Anderson: Credits Matt Patricia for turning around the defense: “He was everything the Buckeyes fans could have wanted... they held Michigan to zero yards rushing in the second half, bro.” (04:58, 05:34)
• Michigan’s Offensive Struggles:
  • Van: “If [Michigan] thought they were going to win the game like they wanted last year... they were wrong and they were proven wrong. I was shocked at how conservative the game plan was.” (06:01)
  • Joel: Critical of freshman QB Underwood’s (63 yards) performance and lack of offensive growth. “How you feel about Sherrone Moore, bro?” (07:33)
• Rivalry Soul-Searching:
  • Tate/Joel/Van riff on the Big Ten vs. SEC ‘soul-selling’ discourse, mocking the idea of OSU being ‘too southern’ for Michigan.
    • Van: “You sold your soul to the SEC. You got playmakers... what is all these Julio Jones there?” (10:06)

Notable Moment

“If you have the same amount of losses, the fact that I beat you matters more than the fact that I have a bad loss.”
—Van Lathan (46:17)

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2. Playoff Controversy & Committee Gripes

• Miami, Notre Dame, Texas... and the 'Power 2':
  • Joel: “It just reaffirms: it is a Power 2. It's the SEC and Big Ten and everybody else.” (39:03)
  • Van: Rants about Notre Dame having an easier path, “They beat nobody all year long and they most likely will make the playoff over Miami.” (40:13)
  • Joel: Skewers Texas's case: “No national champion of recent vintage has a loss like [Texas’s].” (49:09)
• Committee’s Subjectivity:
  • Arguments about ‘quality losses’ vs. wins and SEC bias.
  • Van: “A quality loss is better than a win these days.” (44:50)
  • Tate: “If [Texas] is not in, the whole system is broken... Every single one of them has said that: disservice to the sport.” (49:09)
• Start/Bench/Cut:
  The crew argues which fans will lose their minds most if their team is left out: Alabama, Miami, or Notre Dame. (50:43)

Notable Quote

“The playoff committee…that’s what gets on my nerves: all the conversations about head-to-head and common opponents.”
—Tate Frazier (38:09)

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3. Around the Country: Rivalry Reactions & Heisman Talk

• Bayou Classic—Southern vs. Grambling:
  • Van, Southern alum, dishes: “This is my Ohio State–Michigan. ... Grambling went out like a bunch of [bleep] today... The Bayou Classic is a one-game Super Bowl for the Black college reality of Louisiana.” (28:00)
• Heisman Race:
  • Joel: Stands for Diego Pavia as a narrative choice. “His six-year football career is a testament to belief and commitment and the grind.” (33:02)
  • Van: “Great player, great story. He is annoying and I don’t want him to win the Heisman.” (36:07)
• Quick Hitters:
  • Miami’s defense of ‘eye test’ vs. committee politics (38:22).
  • Indiana destroys Purdue, but little Heisman impact (89:02).
  • Oregon surge, upset watches, and playoff chaos watch-ins.

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4. Lane Kiffin Coaching Circus

• Kiffin’s Dilemma:
  • Will Lane Kiffin stay at Ole Miss for the playoff, or jump to LSU?
  • Major drama: Kiffin wants to coach Ole Miss in the playoff, LSU wants him now; Ole Miss won’t allow both.
  • Joel: “Ole Miss...you need to let Lane Kiffin coach that team. Don’t get in your feelings...Let that man coach that team.” (55:41)
  • Van: “With Lane, eight wins is the floor, nine wins is the floor... his ceiling has never been determined, but fanbases love a known floor.” (59:00)

Notable Moment

“A lot of programs... don’t know what their floor is. Lane Kiffin seems to establish a floor that is competitive... The floor is very, very solid for what he can do.”
—Van Lathan (59:01)

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5. The “Hoe-Gate” Saga: Lane vs. Local Reporter

• Recap: Ole Miss writer Ben Garrett called Kiffin “a hoe” (in reference to coaching loyalty) on a podcast. Lane confronts him postgame.
• Hosts debate if Lane should have reacted and if Ben should have repeated the comment to his face.
  • Van: “That’s hoeing somebody. That is exactly what you call that. Going up to someone, being like, ‘Oh, what’s that shit you was talking? I’m right here. Say it now.’” (76:41)
  • Joel: “If you call someone a hoe—own it. If you're not, the whole thing is over, bro.” (73:03)
• Extended, hilarious analysis of ‘hoe’ as sports discourse, masculinity, and locker room language.

Memorable Exchanges

• “Lane is used to hearing ‘You ain’t gonna hoe me’ in his locker room.” —Van Lathan (70:41)
• “If you’re not gonna call him a hoe to his face, the whole thing is over, bro.” —Van Lathan (73:56)
• “What Lane did to Ben... that’s hoeing somebody!” —Van Lathan (76:41)
• Joel claims he'd beat Lane in a fight if challenged—becomes a running bit (multiple segments, 83:05, 87:32 etc.)

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6. Light-hearted Banter & Romantic Wrestling Stories

• Segues into personal stories of house rules, in-laws, and growing up in the South.
• Joel shares tales of wrestling teammates in his college days, tying back into the running Lane Kiffin “fight challenge.”

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Timestamps (Highlights)

• 03:00 — Ohio State defense dominates; Patricia’s redemption
• 06:01 — Michigan’s conservative offense analyzed
• 11:06 — Jeremiah Smith touchdown controversy
• 27:49 — Van’s passionate Bayou Classic rant
• 33:02 — Diego Pavia’s Heisman narrative
• 39:03 — Joel on Power 2 and Playoff committee
• 55:41 — Lane Kiffin coaching drama at Ole Miss/LSU
• 66:11 — Hoe-Gate: Ben Garrett, Lane Kiffin, and locker room language
• 83:05, 87:32+ — Joel Anderson “Lane Kiffin challenge” bit & wrestling stories

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Notable Quotes

“The playoff committee…that’s what gets on my nerves.”
—Tate Frazier (38:09)

“Lane Kiffin seems to establish a floor that is competitive... The floor is very, very solid for what he can do.”
—Van Lathan (59:01)

“If you're not gonna call him a hoe to his face, the whole thing is over, bro.”
—Van Lathan (73:56)

“No national champion of recent vintage has a loss like [Texas’s].”
—Joel Anderson (49:09)

“With Michigan...if this is Illinois you would feel real good about where your program was at. Right. But this is Michigan.”
—Joel Anderson (13:29)

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Episode Tone

• Energetic and irreverent: Banter, call-outs, and playful jabs especially re: Lane Kiffin, “hoe-gate,” and the Playoff committee.
• Analytical: Robust football talk on game plans, defense, and Playoff resumes.
• Inclusive and unfiltered: The crew keeps the language and references true to both fan and locker-room culture, making for a podcast that feels like a rowdy group text of veteran CFB fans.

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Summary for Non-Listeners

This episode is a must-catch for fans who missed the week’s games and want both the Xs & Os and the off-field drama. The hosts break down why Ohio State finally bested Michigan in Ann Arbor, what Playoff drama is brewing (with Miami, Texas, and Notre Dame in the crosshairs), and why Lane Kiffin’s next job is dominating Southern football. Plus, the infamous “hoe-gate” incident leads to a laugh-filled debate about sports, masculinity, fanship, and fighting Lane Kiffin. It’s equal parts smart analysis and locker room chaos — quintessential Ringer Tailgate.

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Want more?

• Don’t miss the extended aftershow: “Would Joel win a fight against Lane Kiffin?” and “Wrestling in the dorms of Moncrief Hall.”
• Watch for a possible emergency pod if Lane Kiffin finally makes a decision! (105:32)

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Transcript

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[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Welcome to Ringer Tailgate Saturday edition. We are live and we are ready to rock. We got rivalry games to talk about. We got Lane Kiffin, potential announcement coming soon. It's been, you know, kind of on the queue for quite some time, but we got a lot to get to. We got reactions, we got takes, we got everything in between. We also got some facts on the show, but first and foremost, let's say what's up to our guy Van Lathan in the bucket hat. LSU so close today and he's got the bat. What's up, Van?

[Van Lathan]

LSU close today. Southern University though. We're gonna have to talk about it, man. We're gonna have to talk about it.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, okay.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Can I say this, man? I turned that game on right as they threw the game winning touchdown. So I'm not going to take too much credit for it, but shout out to Southern. Big, big game for them. 28, 27 in case you missed it, the big win over Gramlin State. We'll get to that a little bit later. Joel Anderson in the TCU sweatshirt. What happened in that game, Joel?

[Joel Anderson]

Man, you know what a raising the roof. That's right. My boys came through. That's the really frustrating thing about a sunny Dykes football team, man. I feel like where was this when we needed you earlier in the season? You know, like we could. We should be competing for the Big 12 title right now with the talent that we have. And you're seeing it on display against Cincy tonight. But I'm not going to go on this. I know this isn't locked on tcu, but it's just very frustrating to watch. Yeah. Put it all together tonight and it's just like, oh well great, we're 8 and 4 and I should be happy with that. Like what right do I have to be mad that we're not a 10 win team? But it's still just frustrating.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

The new Texas A and M is what they're saying at 8 and 4.

[Joel Anderson]

I was about to say that's a new Texas Tech, but maybe you're right. Maybe you're right.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

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[Van Lathan]

They look like the best team in the country. They came out a little tight. Things were a little tight at first, but they were able to slowly but surely take control of the game. And boy, was that an important sequence when Michigan was not able to get the touchdown to go up 10 like in that situation right there. Well, Maybe it was 10 to 3 in that situation where they needed to kind of continue to keep the fear in Ohio State and take those jitters and make them in the panic. They couldn't do it. And then I got to give credit to Ryan Day. Ryan Day in this game called one hell of a game. The OPI down there that they were able to get past the refs for that slant touchdown. Some of the ways that they were able to use misdirection and get their guys in space. He shook the monkey off his back and got over the hump against Michigan, man.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Any thoughts on this game? Obviously, I mean, you mentioned it. Van they could have gone up 10 0. They threw it. Julian say in second pass of the game was a pick trying to target Jeremiah Smith. And then they get the ball back, they go down and score a touchdown. It's 100 in the big house, and everything could be a little bit different. We also had the controversial Jeremiah Smith touchdown. That could have been a touchback. We can talk about that a little bit. But, Joel, any takeaways from this game?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, no. You know what? I owe Matt Patricia an apology. Oh, wow. Formally, early, earlier this season, I did the easy thing and I mocked him because he wears that ridiculous pencil over his ear. And because things didn't work out in the NFL, I'm just like, oh, just another Belichick flunky. But Christ. Oh, my bad. I'm sorry, Tate. My bad.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Don't worry, Belichick's getting rocked right now.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, man, talk about that game. Sorry about that. That's right. Know, but I mean, he was everything the Buckeyes fans could have wanted him more. Like, when we thought they lost Jim Knowles, that was going to be a huge loss. And like, he finally gotten that defense right and led them to the national championship last year. And you're just like, oh, man, that's a guy you kind of hate to lose, man. I mean, just in a testament to everything that Ohio State thinks of itself and sort of wants in terms of having the. Having the. Having it over Michigan, they held Michigan to zero yards rushing in the second half, bro. Zero yards.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

It was negative eight at one point.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Nothing.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I mean, look, and just understand this. It just. You could see everything that they've been building towards. Caleb Downs was great. They've turned ARV from. From a day three guy to maybe the first non QB off the board in April. I mean, Sunny Styles is great. Kaden Curry, I mean, it's just like he got the best out of everyone. And that's just not as easy as you people think it is. You know, can we talk about.

[Van Lathan]

Can we talk about Michigan's approach to the game? Like, obviously, you know, they play a very specific style of offense. Right? They play a very specific style of offense. And when it's working, it's working. You could see at times the Michigan offensive line impose themselves, impose their will on the Ohio State defensive line. There were some gaps there, there was some big runs, but they weren't able to keep them honest enough with any type of downfield passing game or any type of rhythm in the passing game. That got Ohio State on their heels. The reason why they couldn't run the ball in the second half is because they couldn't throw the ball in the first. And I know that Underwood is developing. He's a young kid and he's going to get Better, but they just didn't use him in any creative ways at all in the running game like people thought that they had. And they're also afraid to test them deep. They're afraid to test them over the middle. And if they thought that they were going to win the game like they wanted last year by coming out and not doing very much on offense at all, they were wrong and they were proven wrong. But I was shocked at the. How conservative the game plan was.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

And it started with Jordan Marshall, that 35 yard run, like you said, Van, where it looked like they were going to carve them up kind of in the trenches again, potentially in a cold weather game. They said, I can't remember who it was during game day. I think it was Jenna Sims that said it was cold as shit there in the big house. Which kind of like let the, let the people know that this was going to be a tough, hard nose type of game. But came out and they look great. And then from there they just could get no passing game. I think he ended up, what, 63 yards for Bryce Underwood is what he finished up with.

[Joel Anderson]

That's. Yeah.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Not great, Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

It's not great. But I mean, I think everybody has been sort of. That was one of the things that we were looking for this year. So what is Bryce Underwood going to look like at the end of the year? Like you, the hope was that by this time you don't really think of him as a freshman. Like, he's played a lot, he started a lot of games. He's been in a lot of different situations at this point. So he should start looking like what people said that he was going to be. And unfortunately it hasn't gotten there. And I've been kind of monitoring and I've been negging some of my Michigan friends, but I'm like, how you feel about Sharon Moore, bro? You know what I'm saying? Like in that offense. Because Van, when you said you were surprised they were conservative. I've never seen them cut it loose the entire time.

[Van Lathan]

I wasn't. Good point. I don't know that surprise is the right way. I guess frustrated is probably more the thing that you want to say there.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

You want to see them come out and in some way what's. Use the talent that they have and maybe they don't have it on the outside right now to be competitive, but you got to go out there and try to win that football game. Because if you have to rely on Ohio State making enough mistakes to, to give you the game like they did last year. This wasn't going to happen. The team is too good now. The team's got. They may. They are maybe the most confident team in all of college football. Them and Notre Dame right now, just oozing with confidence as far as they know what they can do on the football field. And Michigan just did not put them in any situations where they really had to make decisions and question themselves. And so they lost.

[Joel Anderson]

You know what? I always go back to last year, too. And I know that, you know, I'm kind of saying this until the wind. I really do believe that Will Howard got concussed in that game last year.

[Van Lathan]

And everything last time as well.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, right. I just want to bring it up because I feel like people over.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

He's doubling down.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I'm Dougling down. I was like, I don't. I think that, like, that explains why he looks so different later in the game. And they lost that game. But again, it doesn't mean it's. It's good that Ohio State has finally got this monkey off of their back.

[Van Lathan]

They.

[Joel Anderson]

And that they found, you know, that they beat Michigan in the way that they would want to. You know, that makes them feel good. That makes their fans feel good about their program. Right. Cause it was like Michigan had taken the toughness from them. Like, Michigan was a team that had been bullying them for the last four years. And today, Ohio State went there, and they did today what everybody thought they were going to do last year.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

And it did feel like for years, the last four years, it was like Michigan was preaching like, we play real Big Ten football. You guys have sold your souls to the South. You're trying to play SEC type football. Right? You got playmakers at the wide receiver position. Right.

[Joel Anderson]

Your players got too good. Y' all players got too good.

[Van Lathan]

You. You sold your soul to the sec. You got playmakers.

[Joel Anderson]

Supposed to be in Florida.

[Van Lathan]

You know, you guys got dynamic playmakers. What is all these.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Julio Jones there.

[Joel Anderson]

You have Carnell Tate out there.

[Van Lathan]

We play Kurt Forest football here in this conference.

[Joel Anderson]

That's how I was like, you're not supposed to have queen Sean Jenkins. That's not fair.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

That's what it felt like. That was kind of the argument. And then, you know, Ohio State fans are getting upset because they're like, they're calling us soft. They're saying, we just got skill position guys. We can't play in the cold. Well, it was snowing in this game, and when it started snowing, they played even better in this game and continue to Kind of put it on them. I do want to talk about the Jeremiah Smith touchdown slash potential touchback situation. Charol Moore after the game was asked about this. He kind of gave a little bit of, you know, inclination, I guess would be the right term for this, that maybe that could have changed the way the game ended up. Do we think that that actually would have changed anything in this game? Because me personally, I don't think that. But Van, do you have any, do you give any credence to Sharon Moore saying that?

[Van Lathan]

No, and for two reasons. One, I just think that there were going to be too many plays made by Ohio State for any one mistake to change the game for Michigan. That's one.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Agree.

[Van Lathan]

Number two, I only like complaining about missed calls when the, the play in question is not a winning play. Would you like me to explain this?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, please.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, of course.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, so he made a mistake basically. Well, actually no, I can't. I don't, I don't remember the play. Let me tell you what I mean by this. I don't remember the play, but let me tell you what I mean. Okay, you got it?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Let's say somebody has gassed the defense, right? They've gashed the defense. They're wide open and then they fucking flip the ball a little too early. I don't like complaining about shit like that. I don't like complaining about it because they beat you and then got there. Now if you poke the ball out through the end zone, there was no poking.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

But this, now that I remember, was him juggling it on the catch, which if he hadn't really secured the ball and made his way through the end zone, then I guess that's not what I'm talking about. But the way I looked at it is, you know, he double moved the corner so bad. It's kind of a ticky tack thing to got to complain about your team lost. But he was trying to secure the catch in the ball. Now that I think about it, I don't know why. For some reason I thought about this as almost like a Tyron Matthew situation on the punt return against Georgia where he clearly flips the ball like a little bit before he gets in there. I get that technically it's not a touchdown, but it's like the guy scored on the punt return. You're basically just hoping that the refs bail you out because your team got dominated. But I guess that's not here. Not what's happening here. Okay, so number one, so that's out. I talk myself out of that. All right, so now, great podcasting. So then number two, there was not going to be any one mistake that Michigan was going to be able to take advantage of because they simply were not a threat. Enough of a threat on offense. They weren't. They actually played a, a pretty physical, pretty competitive, pretty spirited game. They actually did. But man, when you are playing against a team and you are just not worried about what's going to happen, you're not worried about the next play that somebody can make, it lets. It allows you to settle in and just do what you do. And that's what Ohio State did.

[Joel Anderson]

If you, if, if this was Illinois, you would feel real good about where your program was at. Right. But this is Michigan. Like, Michigan has all the resources. They can get whoever they want. By witness of them having Bryce Underwood in the first place. They can't look like this next year. Like they have, like, offensively, it's been two years of this and this year you kind of say, okay, well, look, we got the number one recruit in the country. We're working him in, we're going to grow with him.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

And then also, 3 million a year for him for four years, $12 million. Right. All that stuff kind of comes into play play, right?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, but it's just like, all right. In Michigan, I mean, you don't have to, you don't have to play like Illinois or, you know, Nevada. You know, you can, you have money, you have resources, you can recruit anybody. You don't, your offense don't have to look like that next year. And it better not. Or Sharon Moore, they're gonna fire your black ass.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, let me ask you this.

[Joel Anderson]

I've been waiting for that Joe back for tonight.

[Van Lathan]

That is how the offense looked when the scary J.J. mcCarthy was the quarterback. It was legitimately a version of this that was elevated because McCarthy could make plays in the passing game.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

And you have Blake Corum, a great running back.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, they had the best offensive line.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Marshall gets hurt like three years running, too.

[Van Lathan]

Right. But the thing is, with what we're talking about right now, we're, we're comparing two things. What you guys are saying right now is that they have better players. That's very true. Right?

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yes.

[Van Lathan]

But they could develop the players that they have and we could be looking at a situation in next year or the year after that where you're looking around and Bryce Underwood looks a little bit more like JJ McCarthy or, or JJ McCarthy plus type player. You have the backs that look a little bit more like Corum and some of the other guys offensive line. So the question is, can the style of football still win? Can do they need to change the style of football or do they need to take advantage of the fact that they're in Michigan, get explosive everywhere, bring in a new passing game coordinator and start throwing that thing around a little bit since they got such arm talent at quarterback.

[Joel Anderson]

It's just funny because, I mean, the reason Sherrone Moore is the head coach is because he was the best offensive line coach in the country for years running. Right? And so it's like the thing is, if you have any slippage on your offensive line, like just. If it just goes from the best in the country to the 12th best in the country, that's still really good. But then it just means that you have to do different things offensively. And I know they got into offensive coordinator to open things up and guys think it's Chip Lindsay. I think who's. Who's working with Bryce Underwood. And you know, maybe that is going to be the thing. But if I'm. Yeah. Why am I doing this? Why am I trying to get a black man.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Such a great.

[Van Lathan]

You, Joe. This is what you do.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't want to do this. I don't.

[Van Lathan]

I just realized you come on here. This.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Should we get an eject button? We're joking.

[Joel Anderson]

This is what I do.

[Van Lathan]

You got. Let me tell you what.

[Joel Anderson]

Let me character analysis you've been doing of me.

[Van Lathan]

Let me tell you something, okay? This happened on higher learning, okay? And let me tell you what I mean. We're on higher learning, and there's a singer named Summer Walker. Summer walker comes out and she says, guess what? I hate men.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

And all men are good for is money. And I look at a man, I just saw a dream drain them. And all Rachel and all the women were like, I hear you, sister. Go ahead. And you talk about these. They ain't nothing. They ain't girl, right? And I was like, hey, girl, them girl. And I was like, hey, that's not a good way to treat people as in human beings to say that they just. You want to drain all their money and take all their money and they ain't nothing and they don't matter. And it's like, what not? And then it was like, hey, shut up, man. You shut up. You don't know how people have been hurt and what we've gone through. All these niggas driving their cars and they got baby mamas and all of this. Shut up. So I shut up. Two weeks later, Summer Walker it turns out, was trying to take Rich the kid away from Tory Bricks told Rich the kid to save her name in his phone as Pizza Hut.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, she told him. I listened to this episode to him. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I came back on the show and said. I said, haha, short sighted. Because all the hate that through to throw out, it's like a boomerang in this world. It's gonna come back to you now. Look at all you women. How could she do that? How can she do that? How can she do that?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

So is Joel Summer Walker in this?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, Joel is Summer Walker. Joel. Actually, Joel is not Summer Walker. Joel is kind of them women.

[Joel Anderson]

Joel has thrown so kind of them women. He's thrown so much hate out Joel's pizza.

[Van Lathan]

How can I do this to a black coach? It was gonna eventually happen. You were gonna. Eventually. The people that you want to protect, your ability to hate, hate, hate.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna say, you know what though? I'm gonna reconsider because I'm just thinking about. I don't like everybody. If. If Byron Donald came up here and was like, hey, man, I'm having a real tough time, man. Can you say some pot? Some. Can you share some positivity with me? I was like, man, you're gonna have to leave that to people who actually love you, man. I would not be willing to help him. And Jerome Moore is not necessarily that. But what I know, I don't like.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, bro, that's up. Joe, you can't. We don't know. Joe, hold on for a second. Hold on for a second.

[Joel Anderson]

What I know I don't like. So hold on, brother. Hold on.

[Van Lathan]

We got.

[Joel Anderson]

There's a lot of football to happen.

[Van Lathan]

I know that Sharon Moore. We got to move on. I know that Jerome Moore has had some questionable moments, but you can't call him Byron Donald's man. They kind.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, it just. They give very similar vibes.

[Van Lathan]

But sports is the only time to where we give brothers like that a pass. Hubert Davis, my wife is white dot com.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

But I'll be out on you for that. I'll be out. I won't say.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Are you out on Hubert for that?

[Joel Anderson]

You didn't like that? I mean, I think Hubert. I felt like with Hubert, it came from a different place. I felt like he. This is kind of goofy. I felt like Sharon Moore was trying to make a point because they asked him a question that was related to race. It was about how Jayla Milro had been asked to. He said that Bill o' Brien had said he should change his positions, and they were like, is that racist? And Sharon Moore. That's how I came up that he brought up his wife. And I'm like, bro, you just didn't want to answer the question because you being a coward, and I don't like that. And I felt like I had a right to not like him. So I'm not going to. I'm not going to support him. I don't necessarily want to see him fired, but I don't care if he get fired.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

So Joel's not sticking his neck out. He said, protect your neck. He's not gonna do that.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I'm not gonna. I'm not. I'm not gonna go up for Cheryl Moore. I hope they treat that man fairly. You know, I don't want to see him struggle anything, but I ain't about to stand say. I'm not about. Not gonna say the truth about what that team looked like.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

He's gonna protect the piece.

[Joel Anderson]

I would laugh. It was like Lamar Jackson or something.

[Van Lathan]

They had a good season, though. Michigan's 9 and 3 on the year.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

You know, is that good?

[Joel Anderson]

Michigan 9 and 3. Y' all cool with that?

[Van Lathan]

They're not good. But how about this? In a. In a year where they're starting a true freshman quarterback. Yeah. Fair 18 years old, could they have played better? Absolutely. But nine and three in a year where you're starting a true freshman quarterback. I think they have a lot to build on in Michigan. I really do.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Three games that they lost. Right. Usc, Oklahoma, Ohio State, all good teams, no slip ups. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. That's one way to frame it.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, it's a good way to frame it. That's a good way to frame it.

[Joel Anderson]

And you know what? For whatever it's worth, last year he got the win that we have so many coaches to get. Like, get your signature win, prove you can beat a team when they've got more talent than you. He's done that. So I will give him that. Like, you know, it's a solid body of work.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Can we flip just back a year at this time when Ryan Day lost that game and where we kind of were. And then to see how we've gotten to this point where, I mean, last year, Ryan Day had security outside of his house because he allegedly was scared for his own safety in Columbus, Ohio. Now we cut to the fact they're national champions. They just won the big game in Ann Arbor. He's, you know, by most all accounts, one of the best coaches. If not viewed as one maybe the best coach in college football.

[Billy Gill]

I don't.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

I don't know how we can litigate that at a different time, but the Ryan Day kind of full circle moment here. I mean, Van, how many times have we seen that happen where a guy goes from like, everybody hates you. Get out of my face, you're fired. To now he's in a situation where everyone's like, ohio State's expected to go back to back at this point.

[Van Lathan]

If we're being honest, the whole we hate Ryan Day thing was stupid from the get go.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yes, Agreed.

[Van Lathan]

He was having a ridiculous amount of success there. You could argue that they were an injury away from Marvin Harrison Jr. From actually beating Georgia and going on to win a national championship. Like it, to me, that entire deal was. Was. Was silly. Now do I get it? Sure. I get that a lot of the personality of Ohio State is about beating Michigan. That's a part of the personality of the fan base is being better than Michigan. And if your fan base doesn't have personality, then they feel rudderless and they don't like themselves. Culture demands personality, demands a sense of self and a sense of identity. And part of the identity of being at Ohio State is beating Michigan. You gotta do it. You gotta do it. You have to do it. So I get it. But at the same time, if something would have happened and Ryan Day wouldn't have been retained or been let go, some. Some school would've gotten a phenomenal coach, like, a phenomenal coach. So I think on a long enough timeline, you're going to get a lot of success from him. And that's what you're seeing right now.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Remember the nipple ring?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man. That's right. That was this year.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

That was this year.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. He's come a long way, bro. It's a long way.

[Van Lathan]

How do you feel like the nipple ring reacts in the cold? Like today.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

That's what I thought about.

[Joel Anderson]

You got to take it out. You got to take it out. I imagine today, because it gets frozen too cold. Too cold. I don't know. It'd probably be too cold or something.

[Van Lathan]

What do y' all think about the nipples as an erogenous zone for men? Because my brother used to say that you don't really want somebody around.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

I did not expect that term to be used on the show.

[Joel Anderson]

I think somebody can make you like it, but if you've never liked it before, I think somebody can make you like it if you not like.

[Van Lathan]

So. So wait a second. Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

No. Did he.

[Van Lathan]

So if You've never. If you've never. If you've never done it, then do you have to have trust with your partner? Or is it just. Do you have to just try it and then let it happen?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's a good question.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I'm asking. Look, why are you guys.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Oh, man.

[Van Lathan]

Why are you guys, like, blushing and all of that?

[Joel Anderson]

No, no, no, I'm really thinking. I'm trying to think of the answer.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

I'm pulling red in this room right now.

[Joel Anderson]

I think it kind of has to come up.

[Van Lathan]

I said, I'm full on. I was about to say, whoa, whoa.

[Joel Anderson]

Actually, Van, this. This is a good point because I wanted. Because, you know, Tate's not tape. Tate stand with is his sort of in laws house, you know?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Right.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. And I was listening.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

I got Thanksgiving happening outside right now. Everyone's eating food. I'm going to get no food, no Mac and cheese, no nothing.

[Joel Anderson]

Again, I was going to ask him. I'm so. So are you and your girl sleeping in the same room?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Wow.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

This is in the South. The south is a little bit different. You do things like that in the south, man.

[Van Lathan]

I went up to visit a girl in Detroit, and I was standing in the basement. She was living up there. Her dad, she went up. Everybody had been drinking. Her dad. Everybody went upstairs. Her dad came to the side. He's like, listen to me. He looks like this. He was like, if Candace bring her drunk ass down here, you better do the right thing. Not my house, boy. Not my house. I remember, like, the next day, me and her were walking and I was like, hey, man, your dad came up to me on some don't do it stuff. And she goes, well, that's tough for you because there will be some sex, so.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh.

[Van Lathan]

You have to figure it out. You're gonna let him? She's like, there will be some sex.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

I respect the household.

[Van Lathan]

You know what I mean?

[Joel Anderson]

Wow.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Those are my rules, you know, I.

[Van Lathan]

Gotta turn the household.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, I respect the household. I'm always just thinking about. I got two nieces, you know? I mean, I'm just thinking about my own future. You know what I mean? It's like. Like you said, Van, you put it out in the world, it comes back. You know what I mean?

[Joel Anderson]

So I'm like, I follow whatever rules the house has. I would never push it. You know what I mean?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, I don't. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

I was one of people's like, once you're engaged, I feel like, all right, it's cool now, you know?

[Van Lathan]

I'm her rules. If she told me. If she told me.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

That is right. That's true.

[Joel Anderson]

It is.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Those are house rules.

[Joel Anderson]

Her rules.

[Van Lathan]

If she told me straight up, I always dreamed about doing it in my parents bed. Let's go upstairs.

[Joel Anderson]

You can do that. But it doesn't mean, like.

[Van Lathan]

It's just like I follow her rules.

[Joel Anderson]

Like going to the room and staying in the room are two different things. I didn't say you shouldn't go to the room and not even try.

[Van Lathan]

I get it. No, Joe, it's a good point.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I just don't want.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

We're watching Christmas movies, you know, it's wholesome up in here. We're watching Elf.

[Joel Anderson]

You know what I mean?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

We're doing all that Christmas vacation.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. All right, all right.

[Van Lathan]

So the whole house. So the whole house in there. In the whole house, you feel like there's nobody.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

I. I haven't litigated it. I haven't. I haven't. I haven't done discovery.

[Joel Anderson]

Wait, are you the only. You're not the only couple in the house. Besides your. Your girlfriend's.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

She's got a brother in the house. You got parents in the house?

[Joel Anderson]

Older brother got his girl.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

No, he's solo.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, he's solo.

[Joel Anderson]

Anybody else got a partner?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

He's. He's just.

[Van Lathan]

How many couples are in the house?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, how many?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Two couples in the house.

[Van Lathan]

So you and your girl and then her and her parents. Yeah, those are the couples that are inside the house.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

That's right. Five people.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, well, I mean, with the parents, they gotta. They don't have to listen to them. They make the rules.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

They are rules.

[Joel Anderson]

That's what I'm saying. You respect those.

[Van Lathan]

If they decide, you know, they watching, like, I don't know, the Bridges of Madison county or something like that. Whatever gets older people going. They. They can do whatever they want. Okay, we can move.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Buster Scruggs. Yeah, whatever it is.

[Van Lathan]

Scruggs. Buster Scrugs.

[Joel Anderson]

Scrugs, man.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Billy Gil said It's a Wonderful Life. Yeah, I got Jimmy Stewart.

[Joel Anderson]

That's right. He's got a Jimmy. Good. It is that season.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, it's that time of the year. Let's get back to football. One big reaction. Obviously, we just talked about the big game. So outside of the big game, Van, one big reaction. We've had a lot of good games. 3 or 4 really good games on Friday as well. So we got the egg bowl. Obviously, there's a lot of drama there. We'll talk about Lane in a little bit. But One big reaction for the weekend.

[Van Lathan]

I gotta say something, man. And this is gonna be. I want you to cut this and put this everywhere. Oh, I do gota say something.

[Joel Anderson]

All right.

[Van Lathan]

Gramlin, man, I got a lot of respect for y'.

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[Van Lathan]

I got a lot of respect for Gramlin. Grambling State University. I got a lot of respect for y'. All. I went up there and I was thinking about going to Gramlin for a second just to piss off my dad. I went up there and I saw a dorm called Drew hall. And I could never live like that.

[Joel Anderson]

Bro. You accused me. You, you talk about me for saying my mom cried when she saw that campus. Remember? Yeah, this is a couple months ago.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, your ambulance campus, overall, I think is, is, is, is, is pretty cool. But really up there, we. We're doing a little stuff looking at. And we go, the guy goes, just let you know, we are not, we are not proud of Drew Hall. And I was. He's told us that. And so then we went there and we looked at it. And my dad, who went to Southern and played sports there was like, see, See what the. I'm telling you, look how these people living up here. You don't want to do this, son. Son, you don't want to do this.

[Joel Anderson]

All right. Wow.

[Van Lathan]

I decided, you know, everybody was. I just go to Louisiana Tech, okay? Now I say all that to say this Southern University had won one game before the Bayou Classic. It was historically bad season for Southern Gramlin, not so. Not a great season. Not the dominating seasons that we've seen from Gramlin before. But I think Gramlin got like a seven win team. This was a game, this Bayou Classic, where Gramlin was supposed to come out there and beat up on a really reeling Southern University program. I know all you guys don't care. You don't give a fuck about this. You don't understand what this rivalry is. I know they don't care. I know they don't. But this rivalry, to me, this is my Ohio State, Michigan. This is my Iron Bowl. This is real football rivalry and hatred. And guess what? Gramlin went out like a bunch of today. I'm sorry. Wow. A bunch of cowards. Y' all went down there against them boys, bro. You were supposed to step on their throats and you couldn't do it. Your cleats fell off like you couldn't get it done. You couldn't beat the worst team that Southern has put on the field for a long time. And I am not dissing the young men that played for Southern but what is on the field and has been on the field all year long has made them one of the worst teams ever. But you know what? Today they're not. The Bayou Classic is a one game super bowl for the black college reality of. Of Louisiana. I want every Jaguar right now to look in your face, look in your teammates face, look in the mirror and act like a champion because you want to buy. You classic. You beat Gramlin. You embarrassed, Gramlin. Ha ha. Idiots. You embarrassed.

[Joel Anderson]

Wow.

[Van Lathan]

What awful loss. Oh, my God. What a putrid, awful loss. I cannot tell you guys how gleeful this made me. What an awful, terrible.

[Joel Anderson]

How you feel about losing the halftime show?

[Van Lathan]

Program defining defeat.

[Joel Anderson]

How you. How you feel? How you feel about losing the halftime show? Did y'. All. Did y' all bring out anybody bigger than Glorilla?

[Van Lathan]

I don't give a fuck about that. Like, I like. Like I give. I give a. About winning a halftime show, but I don't give a. About the celebrities that come out. Never have I always thought that was corny.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, so you think it's. It's a. It's a root. It's like a. Yeah, it's a cheat.

[Van Lathan]

So to me, to me, that's the show is when you get out there and you playing that. But you got Glorilla. Cool. Shout out to Glorilla. She don't even know what she doing. Shout out to her. Brandon Ingram.

[Joel Anderson]

Hope y'.

[Van Lathan]

All. Hope y'. All. That's fine. That's fine. Bringing out Glorilla is cool. Like, I never looked at that. When you. We all. We. We. We bring out somebody to the halftime show. That's not what I look at it about. That's.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Wasn't that the. That was the lesson from Drumline, right? They bring out Petey Pablo like the. The school that was supposed to win, you know?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. I'm not.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Wasn't that. Wasn't that the lesson?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. No dis the P. Pablo. And cool. Bring it out. Gorilla Cool. That's fine. That's cool. Embarrassment, 28, 27.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Also, Marshall Falk about to be there next year.

[Joel Anderson]

Yes. Oh, that's right.

[Van Lathan]

That's right.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Shout out. Shout out to everybody in Baton Rouge.

[Joel Anderson]

My. My dad. My dad. I mean, we talks about it even to this day, that there was one year we were watching the Classic and he was just enthralled with this defensive back for Southern. He was like, this is the baddest I've ever seen in my life. Anias Williams, he always. Every year, every year, he talks about how Anitas Williams was amazing. He was amazing.

[Van Lathan]

That's my one big reaction. Gramlin to you. Couldn't happen to a nicer football.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Can't wait for that clip to go. A lot of people fighting in the comments. We love that. Joel, one big reaction for you. What, what did we learn this weekend?

[Joel Anderson]

So I'm just going to go ahead. If we had this show a Heisman ballot, I would insist that we collectively vote for Diego Pavia. I feel like personally like as a person, like I feel like he might just kind of annoy me, you know what I mean? But he's just sort of a character that I can appreciate at a distance. But his six year football career is a testament to belief and commitment and the grind. Like that dude got it out of the mud, man. For real. Like, I mean did not get recruited obviously was very lightly recruited coming out of New Mexico. He went to New Mexico Military, New Mexico State, Vanderbilt. Right. Like he didn't do it at any place that it is easy to get it done. And he had signature wins and performances every year. Auburn, when he, when New Mexico State went to Auburn and beat Auburn which is like just, it's crazy. That is not a thing that is ever supposed to happen in football. Last year they beat number one Bama. This year they have their first 10 win season ever in the history of Vanderbilt, man. And so look, I, and I was looking at tonight's game and Diego, he had a couple of interceptions. It wasn't a perfect game but he threw for 268, ran for 165, scored two touchdowns and it was Vandy's first win in this rivalry since 2018. A lot of people thought too see who's going to win because it's like.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, it's at NE Stadium.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, it's a NE Stadium. The talent composite score on 247 for Tennessee is 16th, Vandy is 55th. So that's just right behind Purdue and ahead of Pittsburgh. And Diego Pavia went into Neon Stadium and won that game against that team with that kind of talent disparity. And I'm just like, look, we know that the Heisman doesn't always go to the best player. If it did, it'd probably be Jeremiah Smith or David Bailey or somebody like that. But Jeremiah love, you know, Jeremiah love somebody like that. But we know that that's not what the Heisen really is. It's also like a narrative trophy. And bro, like just in the course of my life time, Diego Pavi is just going to be one of those football Characters I remember forever. And he did things that should not have been possible at the places he did them. And I think that's in a year where there's just not really a clear Heisman front runner. I think that what he's done this year is enough to win.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

He struck the Heisman pose seven times. I went back and counted so far this season. Is that too many?

[Van Lathan]

Van, I have never, ever. First of all, let me say this first. Everything that Joel said is true. I have a lot of respect for Diego Pavia. A lot of respect for Diego Pavia. The one reason why we didn't see a lot of Diego Pavia's in the past is because it used to be that you couldn't play college football till you were damn near 24. So it wasn't like you could be Diego Paviek or Joy Aguilar or whoever else you want to see. All of these guys, because you couldn't play to your parents, had to take you off their insurance. Okay. You couldn't play college football that long. Number one, are you mad about what.

[Joel Anderson]

He did to lsu?

[Van Lathan]

Is this is a great player, great story. He's annoying and I don't want him to win Heisman. I've never wanted anyone to win the house unless like, wow, he. I'll be honest with you, talking about.

[Joel Anderson]

Him like he's Nick Fuentes or something.

[Van Lathan]

The seven poses. The seven poses is a lot of poses for the Heisman, bro.

[Joel Anderson]

You got to do it at Vanderbilt.

[Van Lathan]

Pose when you have your Heisman moment.

[Joel Anderson]

Cool.

[Van Lathan]

You can't be thirsty. You can't be Heisman thirsty. It makes you look crazy. I know that this is a big deal for Diego Pavia.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Also, his mom hit the Heisman post, so really 8.

[Joel Anderson]

I just want his mom to do something going on.

[Van Lathan]

I get it. Diego Pavia is a tremendous story and a great player. And honestly, somebody you would want at quarterback for you. No lie. Somebody that you will want at quarterback for you. I'm not saying he's not one of those guys, but he is annoying and I'm sorry. He gets on my nerves. He's annoying.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Here's how the broadcast described him. They said the heart of Tim Tebow, the swagger of Joe Burrow and the moxie of Johnny Manzel. Do you agree with that? Three phases of Diego Pavia. I think that's a little bit of an exaggeration.

[Joel Anderson]

You know how hard it is to not find one black quarterback that compare him to. I mean.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

That actually is crazy. I didn't think about that.

[Joel Anderson]

How did they do that? That's amazing. I mean, I guess.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, it's a great story. I think he's going to be in New York and I think he's going to have to settle for that. Although I to. To.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

I think going to New York would be a win for Diego.

[Van Lathan]

POV going. Yeah. Nobody has really put their arms around anyone award. You know, he's not going to get the SEC championship game to go out there and try to sway any more voters. I think he probably deserves to go to New York. You know, if we all. If we listed all of the Heisman candidates, maybe, maybe he doesn't. But he gets on my nerves.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Clip that.

[Joel Anderson]

He gets on my nerves. Yeah.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Oh, man. You know what gets on my nerves? The playoff committee and all the conversations about the head to head and you know, common opponents, all this sort of stuff. But I do want to say this as well, a reaction. Miami definitely passed the eye test against Pittsburgh, right?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

We have to give them credit where credit is due. Miami, their two losses, which were kind of written off as terrible losses. I know SMU is down right now to California, so that might not age.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, are they really?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yeah. 177 SMU obviously a loss, but they could be in the ACC championship game if they handle business tonight. Louisville destroys Kentucky today. Like it was absolute, just absolute demolition in that game. So Miami kind of did everything needed to do to get into the playoff, but it does feel like they're still going to be the odd man looking out Joel. And that's going to be back to back years 10 and 2 where they don't make the playoff despite, you know, having a team that I think could compete in the playoff. So how do you feel if you're Miami? I mean I, I hope that they do get in, but it does feel like they're going to be the one that gets left out.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, yeah, I mean that it just reaffirms. It is a power too. There's not a Power 4. There's a Power too. It's the SEC in the Big Ten and everybody else like if you win your league, you're going to get in. Anybody else that's going to be an exception of people are going to whine and moan about it. If you get in, they'll be like, man, you don't need to be in here. That should be. They should put 8 and 4 Auburn in here or something like that. You know what I mean? It's gonna be like that or Texas.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

We'll talk about Texas.

[Van Lathan]

Oh yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

They Got a nine and three Texas, man, they lost to a four win Florida team. You know how it is in the SEC and they should have lost a.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Kentucky who just got just. Absolutely.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, yeah, it's hard to go into Stockville and play against St. Vi. I play against all them cowbells.

[Van Lathan]

Let me tell you why.

[Joel Anderson]

Really difficult.

[Van Lathan]

Let me tell you why. Agendas rob you sometimes. Let me tell you why this is so bad. The team that Miami has the biggest beef with is the team that they beat. Yes, Notre Dame, who's not in conference. So while you're saying everything that you're saying about all. All the other. It's a Power 2 and all of that. How about the fact that Notre Dame ain't beat nobody on all year long.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

It's kind of a Power 3. It's the conferences in the Notre Dame.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, well, just.

[Van Lathan]

They beat nobody all year long and they most likely will make the playoff over Miami. If you want to maybe focus your ire on the team that's actually not in the conference, you can schedule anyone that they want.

[Joel Anderson]

No, right here. And who.

[Van Lathan]

And who really hasn't beaten anyone. They've, they've had some games against some pretty decent teams, but they lost to Miami. The real beef to me is that it's not this whole let's continue to beat the conference drum. It's the fact that there's actually a team ahead.

[Joel Anderson]

I feel like there's a couple of.

[Van Lathan]

Other teams and they have the same amount of losses.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I mean, I guess the thing is we just have to accept though, for instance, that there's no. I mean the only people that Miami has to argue against are the independents or the other Big 12 or ACC teams. Like we're not. Nobody is going out here and saying, well man, you know, Alabama is 10 and 2, right. Like they'll be like, you know, like again, Oklahoma, like, I mean, again, this strength is strength of record and strength of schedule. Acknowledge all that. But it's like the sec, two lost teams are put in a whole different bracket. Like maybe Vanderbilt might is not going to get the benefit of that because of how their schedule broke this year. But pretty much everybody else is going to be taken care of. But with the, the reason. I'm, I'm talking about the Foghorn Leghorns that are up here, like, well, you can't, you can't leave a 9 and 3 Texas out of the playoff.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

You're doing an impression.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, it ended up okay.

[Van Lathan]

So, so this is what I would say about this is What I would say about Oklahoma. So let's look at the actual teams that we're talking about.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

I like Fog or Leghorn, though.

[Joel Anderson]

That's funny.

[Van Lathan]

So Oklahoma. So Oklahoma beat Michigan. That's out of conference. Right. They beat Alabama. Right.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Missouri. Whatever you think about Missouri, we have.

[Joel Anderson]

To say Alabama's good. Of course. Right. We. We know. We know that for sure. Like, because the Florida State game doesn't count. The Notre Dame. Miami counts. The Alabama. Florida State game doesn't count. So it doesn't reflect upon what we're supposed to think about Alabama. Okay. I'm just saying. Just go ahead.

[Van Lathan]

So let me tell you. Let me tell you why I think Alabama's good. Want to hear it? Wanna wait?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Tell me.

[Van Lathan]

They beat Georgia. So I'm not saying that Georgia didn't.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Look great against Georgia.

[Joel Anderson]

Georgia didn't look great against Georgia. But it was a tough defensive. It was a tough defensive battle.

[Van Lathan]

The.

[Joel Anderson]

Georgia happened to win.

[Van Lathan]

They.

[Joel Anderson]

They beat.

[Van Lathan]

They beat Georgia. They. They beat the Georgia Bulldogs. Yes. Would you say that Georgia's good?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yes.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, probably.

[Van Lathan]

All right. So Alabama. So Alabama.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

All right.

[Van Lathan]

So that's why I would say what's. Georgia's best friend is good because they're in the sec. Once again, we can talk about what actually happened.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Georgia's best win is Ole Miss. Right.

[Joel Anderson]

George's best win is Ole Miss.

[Van Lathan]

Georgia's best one is Ole Miss. Georgia. So. So what?

[Joel Anderson]

I'm.

[Van Lathan]

So what? I'm telling you right now. And by the way, byu, man, it's.

[Joel Anderson]

Only losses to Texas Tech.

[Van Lathan]

When you. When you look. When you look at. I can't wait for the playoff, man. When you look at Oklahoma, they beat Michigan, y'. All. Whatever we think of Michigan.

[Joel Anderson]

Wow. 93 Michigan. Whoa. Okay, Whoopi. Damn, do.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

I need Joe in the CFP committee?

[Van Lathan]

I'm just looking at who these teams played and who they beat. And so with Miami. Miami's. And this is my deal. Billy says no one would make the playoff if. Joel was.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm just saying. We just. We never.

[Van Lathan]

Miami's best win just doesn't matter. And by the way, you said it didn't matter.

[Joel Anderson]

Everything is in context. Every. Every. Everything in context.

[Van Lathan]

You said on this show that week one, like, was so long ago that the teams were different.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Teams are different.

[Joel Anderson]

Teams are different. They're not the same.

[Van Lathan]

You said it.

[Joel Anderson]

But look, the way that Alabama lost in its game to Florida State, it should. It should be. It should be humiliating. Like, the. The thing about the Notre Dame, Miami game, it was a It was lost by a field goal at the buzzer. You know what I'm saying? In my. In Notre Dame was a team that was on the road, like, so they lost within.

[Van Lathan]

They lost to him.

[Joel Anderson]

You can't playoff. They lost. I mean, I hear you, but again, it. It was a loss that doesn't, I don't think, really reflect. It reflects.

[Van Lathan]

If.

[Joel Anderson]

To the extent that it reflects anything about Notre Dame and Miami, it reflects fairly well on them. Like, it was like, that was. C.J.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Quality loss is better than a win these days.

[Van Lathan]

A quality loss is better than a win.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

That's the logic, it seems, of the cfp.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, well, again, I'm just. But the other piece of that again, is just like, all right, well, I.

[Van Lathan]

Guess Notre Dame is this. And I'll leave it alone.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

They didn't have a chance on their field the next week to get a quality win against a really good team. And what happened?

[Joel Anderson]

L. They lost. Yeah, again, man. I mean, I think it's one thing to lose. Like, Alabama lost. There's one thing.

[Van Lathan]

They lost.

[Joel Anderson]

There's one thing. There's one thing. When a team loses a very narrow game, first game of the year on the road, and a team like Alabama gets embarrassed by a terrible team like Florida State. Like, again, like that loss, the way that it. If. If the. If the first game of the year really means anything, Alabama should be much lower than they are right now in the polls. That is a humility. Florida State is not a good football team. Florida just handled they ass. You know what I'm saying? Today, right after Tommy Castellanos was eating gated Alabama at all at this point, like, if it should actually mattered, they would not be where they are.

[Van Lathan]

Should. But what only thing I would say is that it should.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

But if they were Oklahoma and not Alabama with the resume, it would probably be different. Let's just be, you know, I mean, look, they.

[Van Lathan]

Like, you have to look at the fact that to me. And I'm not arguing for Alabama. I don't give a. About Alabama. I don't. I'm not arguing for Alabama. I'm like, I don't give a.

[Joel Anderson]

About what. No, just be talking. It's only about grandbabies.

[Van Lathan]

But. But Alabama actually went out and had to win games to show that they were a quality football team and they beat quality football teams. If you think Vanderbilt is a quality football team. If you think Georgia's a quality football team, you know, like, they. They went out and they beat quality football teams. I think Miami has beaten quality Football teams, too. I think they have a quality win. I think that win is Notre Dame. Right. And so to me, I think if we have the same amount of losses, the fact that I beat you matters more than the fact that I have a bad loss, which Miami has a couple of losses, and Miami. Actually, the losses that Miami has, they're really not bad.

[Joel Anderson]

They're not bad. They're not that bad.

[Van Lathan]

They're not that bad.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, Louisville's good. SME is good.

[Van Lathan]

You know, I. You know, I just. I know that we do the conference thing. I know we do the conference thing. We got to do the conference thing. I love it.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, the SEC is just like, yeah, man. You know, like, now y'. All. Now you want to act like the SEC had been. The SAC antagonized everybody for a decade plus, and now it's like, when we want to start talking about. Other people got annoyed about sec. Man, I didn't even. Why are we even talking about conferences? Nobody's worried about conferences now. You know what I'm saying?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

It's the. Greg, it's the safety agenda. Yeah. Sanki's agenda has been heavy. And speaking of one big question here. Does Texas deserve to make the CFP because they beat Texas A M? Fine. Bombs on all the shows this morning. He's saying if they're not in, the whole system is broken. Because no one's going to schedule Ohio State Week 1 if that's the case. Because if they scheduled, you know, Gram league state week one, they'd be, you.

[Joel Anderson]

Know, 10 and two, and they'd be taking it on.

[Van Lathan]

Guys, they scheduled them.

[Joel Anderson]

Good.

[Van Lathan]

Job. They lost the game like they. They. They scheduled them. Look, and not only that. Take that. Take that out. We're looking at close victories against Kentucky, very fortunate victories against Mississippi State just means more, Right? We're looking at close victories, and we're looking at a team that is really playing well now. But if you look at their entire body of work and how they won some of the games that they even won, they just. You can't make a very compelling argument for me for Texas to be in the playoff. You can't. They just figured out football three or four weeks ago, right?

[Joel Anderson]

So.

[Van Lathan]

And they've been. And they've been really good ever since.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

And they beat three top 10 teams, which seems to be, like, the crux of the argument. But if you really, you know, go through that process and look at those three wins, you know, they don't. They don't hold as much value as it sounds. Like on its face. But again, this is all. I mean, this is what Sark said. This is what BYU said. This is what Cristobal said. This is the quote. All of them have said this. I don't know if it's a company line that's coming down, but here's the exact quote. It would be a disservice to our sport if this team's not a playoff team. Every single one of them has said that disservice to the sport.

[Joel Anderson]

SEC Dick, looking, man, look, so 13 days ago they lost 35 to 10. Right? Like that's like, it's disqualifying because we already. You like, we know for certain that even if you all. You lucked into winning in the national championship and they wouldn't. We know for a fact that Georgia is better than you. Right? Like it was. This was no last second kick or whatever. You got your motherfucking ass handled. To me, that means Texas can't be the national champion. Like you just. They don't have the resume that looks. No national champion of recent vintage has a loss like that. Like none of them. If you go back through in the playoff era, because I did today just to back check against this. Nobody in the playoff era has a loss like that. Like, maybe the worst loss was Georgia to Alabama in the SEC championship game in 2021. They lost by 17 and they end up, they ended up going back and winning and winning in the rematch. Yeah. In the, in the, in the national championship game. But no, nobody, nobody that is going to be a national championship has a loss like that. You got three losses. Good for you that you scheduled Ohio State. I'm sure it worked out for you in some ways. Right? Like maybe in your pocketbook or whatever. Maybe didn't work out on the record, but that's great. But you lost three times. You could, you could have beat Florida. You didn't. We'll see you next year.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, it's. It's over. They. They haven't. That's a, that's a successful season for them.

[Joel Anderson]

Yes.

[Van Lathan]

In my opinion, with the, with the first year starter and Arch and especially with how bad things look four or five weeks ago.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Let's do a start bench cut between these three programs. As far as like the most pissed off they would be if they don't make the playoffs. Notre Dame, Miami, Alabama.

[Van Lathan]

Alabama will go crazy.

[Joel Anderson]

Miami.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Don't go nuts.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. You got to start. You got to start Alabama, man. I mean.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I mean they actually sort of deserve to get in now. And I mean they get mad in years they didn't deserve to make it, but so imagine it this year they sort of deserve it.

[Van Lathan]

The.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

And Texas feels like they're. They're trying to get in the conversation, which is like in the conversation makes everybody feel a little bit better about the season. It's a little bit more palatable.

[Joel Anderson]

Right.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

But those three teams are probably fighting for the last spot. It feels like our spot.

[Joel Anderson]

At least I would got to think so. Yeah, I think that bubble spot is pretty much is Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Miami, Texas, Vanderbilt. And I mean I know Texas beat Vanderbilt, guys. Nobody has to remind me about that. And they beat Oklahoma, but Vanderbilt has two losses, Texas has three. And Vanderbilt lost at Texas in a way that is like, well, they didn't get embarrassed. Like, I mean like the final score at least says that they fought their way back into that game.

[Van Lathan]

But yeah, they were getting dominated pretty much throughout the whole game again.

[Joel Anderson]

But, but they, but they tightened it up at the end and that does count for something right on the scoreboard. But again, if you get beat like Texas did at Georgia, I just don't feel like you get to talk about this anymore. And then you lost to a four win team. So I just don't like Texas.

[Van Lathan]

That's. Texas doesn't have it. It's not happening.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

They just want to be in the conversation. I do think that's.

[Van Lathan]

It's not. This is all hype it. The team hasn't even looked good enough for longer, long enough stretches of the season. I get it. It's all hype it.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Good game for Arch. Good win.

[Joel Anderson]

Arch looks a lot better, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, I mean, I just again, at the beginning of the year, I just remember thinking there's no way he's going to be this bad. Right. Like there's just. I just could not believe it. I refused to believe it.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

There's smart people saying that he looks so good in practice and stuff for it to really be that bad eventually.

[Joel Anderson]

Like something was going to lock into gear. And yeah, like Nate Tice says, man, that he thinks that if he came out this year he'd be the number one pick. But from what we know about the man is they've already said he's coming back next year. So good for Sark.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, a lot of cutaways to Coop Manning in the crowd also. So I feel like he likes having him in college. You know, he gets to start him. They're not going to do that during NFL.

[Joel Anderson]

I've never seen a jacket like that before.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

That he had on.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. That he had on Cooper Manning. Yeah.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

It was like a barber jacket. Right.

[Joel Anderson]

It was really nice. And that color. Like, I just. I've never seen a jacket like that before. Yeah.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Shout out to Coop Manning. Shout out to Arch Manning. It was a big win for Texas. Felt bad for A M. A little bit. Elko was pissed in the press conference.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, bro. I mean, that is. That is. I mean, again, that is the Texas A M. Like, that. That is the tragedy of Texas A M, man. Like, that's. This is the best season they've had in my lifetime, or maybe I guess since I think they went undefeated in like, 1991 and 92. And then for it to end like that. You know what I mean? Like, it just like.

[Van Lathan]

I don't.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm trying to figure out if that is a more painful loss in Ohio State at Michigan last year. Because it's just like, man, the way.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

You lost, it would have been worse. It would have been worse at Cow Field if they lost that game.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. If they lost the game at home, that would have been a lot worse. Absolutely.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Kind of like Ohio State lost that game at home. You got Michigan trying to put the flag in the middle of the field.

[Billy Gill]

Right?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

A lot of flag planning last season. Going back to the rivalry games, we didn't see any flag planning this year. And then we had Michigan blocking out the. The middle of the field so no one could plant the flag.

[Joel Anderson]

Man, take y' all ass to the locker room, bro. The time, like, the time to fight. The time to fight was in them whole four quarters.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

That is true. I hate that.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, you had your chance. Go to the locker room, bro. I just fighting over the flag thing.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Who.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, maybe this is just me. Whatever. Maybe I'm old or maybe I just don't. I didn't play at a school that had enough, you know, whatever to. To care about this kind of stuff. Our rivals were just not this intense. But I'm just like, bro, go to your locker room. But, yeah, you lost.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

You lost.

[Van Lathan]

Nine minutes. Nine minutes ago. Marty Smith's 8:30pm Lane Kiffin update from Oxford. The sentiment in his unwillingness to commit is his desire to go. If he wanted to stay, he would have already said so. That is what people are saying now. It looks like a car. According to some of these people that. That Lane is still the crux here seems to be that I'm not breaking any news here is that Lane wants to go to LSU but he also desperately wants to continue to coach his team throughout the College Football Playoff.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

I agree. He wants his cake and eat it, too.

[Van Lathan]

Right. And they are not allowing him to do that. So it seems like this is the thing that's holding Lane up from making the decision to leave and go to lsu.

[Joel Anderson]

Can I just. Because again, I don't know with this. You know, I'm sure that there's good reasons for. Oh, you. For Ole Miss to not want him to do this. Right. And somebody could illuminate. Oh, he's going to use. Use Ole Miss as a platform to help recruit over at lsu. And you know, you want somebody that's fully committed to the program, yada, yada, yada, bro. I'm sorry. Ole Miss. The reason. There's a reason that you've never had a season like this since the eradication of Jim Crow. You need to let Lane Kiffin coach that team. Don't get in your feelings, get out of your feelings. Let Lane coach that team because he gives you the best chance to win again. I did. I just. I. And the other thing I think about, if he's an Ole Miss, he can't fully commit to lsu, right? Like, he's going to be doing this. Like, there's no way that he would be able to change up and they play next year. So LSU is going to be a month behind and getting their together and having Lane in place, like, if I was Ole Miss, that's the way that I would think about it. I'm sure that people can illuminate and give me some good reasons for why Lane should not be coaching Ole Miss in the playoffs. But I just think that's cutting off their nose to spike their face. Man, let that man coach that team.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

I guess I have a different team without him.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I guess. I have a couple of questions. Number one, if he wants to leave and go to LSU this badly, would he stay? Because this is not a decision that's being made for a temporary amount of time.

[Joel Anderson]

You.

[Van Lathan]

If you stay to coach your team, you stay forever. I mean, unless you coach the team and then leave after. Which doesn't seem to be an option, right? It that. It doesn't seem to be an option to. For Lane and LSU to say, hey, handshake, you're coming to be the coach. Coach your team for the rest of the season. We'll make the arg. We'll make the announcement two days after you guys win or two days after you guys are out. I mean, you take a hell of a chance Doing that. Right. Because what if the team goes on to win a national championship? Then he doesn't want to leave. Right? So I guess that seems to be out. But if you're Ole Miss, what kind of situation are you in with your head coach, the leader of your program that he is so willing and wanting to leave? Like, holding him hostage makes a lot of sense. Like, yeah, not not letting them have his cake and eat it too. But at the same time, it's also kind of a situation to where it's really bad for them. I mean, if LSU doesn't get Ole Miss, okay, unless you goes to get another coach and we see what the guy has. Right. Like we talked about before we got on here, I think a lot of the frenzy around Ole Miss is not his ceiling, but his, excuse me, around. Lane Kiffin is not his ceiling, but his floor. There are a lot of college football programs right now that simply don't know what their floors are. They don't know how bad it can get. But it can get as bad as it is in Auburn. It can get as bad as it is in Gainesville. It can get pretty fucking bad. It can get as bad as it got in Happy Valley. It can get pretty bad. You don't know what the floor is. Lane Kiffin seems to establish a floor that is competitive, that is energetic, that has eight wins.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Is the floor right?

[Van Lathan]

With Lane, eight wins the floor, nine wins is the floor. Lane is always going to be a recruiting class away, a quarterback hit away. The floor is going to be very, very solid for what he can do. We still don't know the ceiling because he's never been over the mountaintop. But I think with so many different teams and so many different players that a lot of programs and a lot of fan bases are more concerned with their floor than they are their ceiling. And I think that's what's making everybody want Lane Kiffin because he's a very known commodity. And a lot of these other guys, you don't know how bad I can get with them. You don't know how bad I can get with Summer all. You don't know how bad it can get with some of these other guys that are out there. They haven't. You haven't seen it yet. So on that level, on this Power 5 level, should I say so? I don't know. It just seems like a really interesting. I don't. There've been a lot of coaching searches, but I've never seen one quite like this. Can you guys remember anything quite like.

[Joel Anderson]

This, I don't remember it. And it could just be an age thing or whatever, but obviously, you know, the timelines and there's so many different, different considerations now that it's time wise. Yeah, yeah. I mean they have an early signing day now that, you know, about a week and a half from now.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Now we don't have two windows. Yeah, Transfer portal too. So it's like you're really handicapping your season next year if you don't make a decision. That's why James Franklin actually did the smart thing by going ahead and getting things rolling.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, just go ahead and get started, man. So, yeah, it's, it's tough. But I, you know, for, I think the thing that Ole Miss again, this is the best season they've had in 60 some odd years, man. They know that this is, I mean, maybe Lane Kiffin, he's had, I think three straight 10 win seasons there. He's done something truly special there and that's why people want him, because they.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Straight egg bowls, which is also very important to those people.

[Joel Anderson]

Right. But the reason that people are excited about him is because they've never seen this happen in Ole Miss before. It ain't like you can just replace Lane Kiffin and if you're Ole Miss, just expect that. Oh yeah, we'll keep that going. I mean, also you can just look around you and see that it's not a given. Right. Like Florida has not been right. It took Tennessee a long time to get right.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Threatening to go to the rival state team that's in.

[Joel Anderson]

Right.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Next conference. Yeah, I mean that's really the most damaging part of all this, which is why you can kind of see the frustration from everybody's side. It's also insane that this feels like the ultimate Lane troll. For this to be said, we all got the message from the ad. A formal announcement will be expected after the Egg bowl on November 28, which are on November 29. So it's 7:00 clock Pacific Time, 10:00 Eastern, and we have no announcement. You know, like people have been waiting for a week for this announcement. So like it just keeps drawing out. I mean, I mean that's the other part we would.

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[Joel Anderson]

Talking about this? Well, not really. I brought it up and nobody said anything. I'm going to try it again and see if it works.

[Billy Gill]

Dan, you listening?

[Joel Anderson]

You give us. Yes. What are you doing?

[Billy Gill]

Don't say.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

He wants you to respond.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. No, no, no, no. So the only. You only give ultimatums to people that you're already.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

As a new announcement.

[Joel Anderson]

Billy, come on, man.

[Van Lathan]

People were.

[Joel Anderson]

People were asking you to come on in, so come on in, Billy. Oh, yeah, come on. Because we got to do the.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

We got to do the whole watch too. On Lane.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah. We gotta do. Oh, wait. Were we allowed. Did we get the word that we're allowed to do?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

We're doing it. I don't. I don't know if we need. We're not getting top level. I mean, we're talking about it. This is too big of a deal. But, Joel, make your point and then we'll. And then we'll get rolling.

[Joel Anderson]

Are we still gonna talk about that? Okay?

[Billy Gill]

Make a point so we can move on.

[Joel Anderson]

Joel, wait. Oh, man. Wait. Cue me again. What were we talking about? All right.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Should we just do it?

[Joel Anderson]

You.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

You said the van. Van wasn't listening when you made this point.

[Joel Anderson]

I said it already. I said it already. Okay, my bad. It's just that you only give ultimatums to people that you're already annoyed with, right? You don't give, like, somebody that you want to stick around or somebody that you're just like. You know, you're invested in this relationship or whatever. It's like, all right, if you. If. If you haven't made a decision on this, I gotta let you go because you're at the. You're fed up. You're at the end of your road.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

It's like the five year engagement, you know, it's like, when are we gonna. We're gonna a good off the pot.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. It's a bad. It's a bad sign. All right, now, Billy, go do your bit. What is your bit today?

[Billy Gill]

I'm just here.

[Joel Anderson]

But it's your bit because there are people that excited about you. Oh, you said you were going to do the Macarena. That's right. Go ahead, do it.

[Van Lathan]

What is going on, guys?

[Billy Gill]

What?

[Joel Anderson]

I'm not.

[Van Lathan]

What about.

[Joel Anderson]

How am I flustered?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

We were on Pizza Hut a couple times.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Joel, are you. Are you a little bit off? The Duke got you off your. Off your game a little bit?

[Joel Anderson]

No, I'm fine. I'm straight. I'm happy. The Duke is here, man. What's up?

[Billy Gill]

I'm just here to support you, you know?

[Joel Anderson]

What is that cap this high? You know I'm a G. Oh, yeah.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

You know.

[Van Lathan]

You know I'm a G. You know I'm a G. Ho. So what?

[Joel Anderson]

What?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

I just like the intro. It's just you yelling hoe.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

What did y' all think of hoegate with Lane, man?

[Joel Anderson]

Well, you. I think. I think I'm the only person I'll be on this side of it. I thought Lane was. I mean, I'm not with that. The kid. What's his name? Ben Garrett. I think that's his name.

[Van Lathan]

Garrett. So if you guys don't know. Ben Garrett is a really Youthful looking writer, 40 years old. He does not look 40. I thought he was a student writer. Okay. And he on a podcast or something said that you can't turn a hoe into a housewife. And he was talking about Lane's proclivity for flirting with other people and that he'll always do this because you can't turn a hoe into a housewife.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

He was quoting, like, Project Pat and everything. That's how you knew he was a little bit older.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, right. And so Lane checked him. Lane walked up to him, says, yeah, you want to call me a hoe now? Let's go in here and see how that. How that turns out. And it's become a big deal on, like, who's. Who's the actual hoe.

[Joel Anderson]

It's been.

[Van Lathan]

The hoe is laying the hoe. Who the hoe?

[Joel Anderson]

I don't think. I don't think anybody is a hoe.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, there's a hoe.

[Joel Anderson]

No, I don't think anybody is a hoe. But I think that Lane his demonstrated the characteristics of being a hoe. Got called out on it.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

He got hoe tendencies.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, he had whole tendencies and he got called out on it. And look, bro, you are 50 years old. You are 50 years old. You were in the middle of the biggest, most important professional inflection point in your life. Like, it'll never be like this again. You are the top guy on the market. Everybody wants you. You're going to reset the market and get to go possibly wherever you want to go, okay? And it's just like, you also, you won this important game. People were like, oh, man, Ole Miss is going to go into that game distracted. This is a possible upset spot right here. And you went out there and you handle business. This great season in the history of Ole Miss. And then at the end of the game, you went after. I mean, who even gave. Who brought that piece of content to you that you had and that you had it on your mind and in this moment and went after the guy. It just shows extraordinarily bad judgment. He has to tell his players every day, every game, keep it cool out there, man. People gonna do to you, they'll call you names, they're gonna bow you, grab you under the pile, do stuff to you, to with you. You're gonna get called a whole ass, whatever. Like, people gonna talk to you, they're gonna say to you out there, trying to unsettle you. He's got to say that. And Lane Kiffin knows this and he's telling his players that, but he can't, in this moment, he couldn't control himself. He's like, man, he doesn't practice what he preaches. I gotta go over him, over him throwing this ludicrous line at me, bro. I have to. I gotta go. I gotta go. Say something to him about it. Come on, man. Get the fuck outta here.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

It was a little performative. That was my real. That's my only knock on Lane. I don't blame Lane for calling him out, but like, he walked by him. He waits for the security guards to kind of like clear out. Then he decides to like, turn back around. It felt like he knew the cameras were on and he was doing the whole thing. Thing. That was the only thing I didn't like. But I'm okay with him addressing someone calling him a hoe. That seems a little bit too far.

[Billy Gill]

Duke, can I ask a question? Can I ask a question about hoe behavior? And you guys could, like, let me know if it's hoe behavior. So the guy's name is Ben. Right. So He's. He's like, 40. We didn't know that at the time. I think we all.

[Joel Anderson]

It's funny to say it like that, but.

[Billy Gill]

Okay, well, because we all thought that he was, like, you know, 22, 23, like, maybe like a student reporter just got out. It's like, this is just some dumb guy that, like, doesn't realize what he's doing and how this could potentially, like, impact him professionally. Right. So is it hoe behavior to call Laina ho and then have Lane come up to you and say nothing? And then afterwards go out there and keep podcasting, calling Lane a hoe and tweeting that Lane is a hoe after the fact? When you had a chance to call Lane a hoe and you did not.

[Van Lathan]

Yes.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

He should have said it to his face. He should have doubled down. Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

What would have happened? Yeah. Like, Lane's not gonna hit you and if that's even better.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Right?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. The answer is yes. Now, I think all kinds of things. Obviously, I have myriad thoughts. Okay. I think Lane is reacting to this because of the different meanings of hoe and hoe.

[Joel Anderson]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

So you have hoe as it's used to unfortunately and wrongly and misogynistically referred to as women or ladies of the night. And then you have.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Both genders can be hoes, right? Everybody.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, everybody can be a hoe.

[Billy Gill]

Everyone can be a hoe.

[Joel Anderson]

Anybody.

[Van Lathan]

Are you guys. Are you guys finished with the woke circle?

[Joel Anderson]

I thought we weren't allowed to talk about this. By the way, just for the record.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, guys, I know. Are you. Are you. Are you finished? Are you finished? We know everybody here is a good guy. We proved it. Okay. We just proved it with that. Are you guys finished? Thank you. Okay, then there's the. The hole that is used as a way to dis you. And it's like, you're a hoe boy. You are a hobo. Hey, you know, that didn't. Hoe boy. That's how. And Lane is used to hearing that in his locker room. Lane is used to hearing that from his players.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Lane is used to hear, I ain't no ho. You ain't going to hold me like.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

More in the punk. Punk, like.

[Van Lathan]

Like more in the punk. More in the wuss. More in the.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, you're soft.

[Van Lathan]

Lane is used to hearing, you ain't gonna hold me. Ain't no hoe about. Ain't no. Hey, ain't no hoe in me. Lane hears that from his people. He breaks up, fights, and he goes, hey, guys. Hey, Darius. Jameric. He says, nobody's a hoe here. We're all Ole Miss.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, but.

[Van Lathan]

Nobody'S a hoe, right? Nobody's a hoe here. The coldest Franklin, like, nobody is. He's used to hearing that in his. In his locker room. So when he heard this dude call him a hoe, his team is like a coach. What? Look at this guy. This guy looked like he wanted the peanuts. Like he Charlie Brown, homie. You gonna let him call you this dude, call you a hoe? And Lane had to go up and show his team. What?

[Joel Anderson]

Nah, bro, I ain't no hoe, bro. Yeah, yeah. You know, you have to go up.

[Van Lathan]

And show his team.

[Joel Anderson]

Like, hey, you didn't.

[Van Lathan]

Look, come in here, come in. Come in here around. My experience, he said, come in here around my homies. Hey, come call me a hoe around my homies. I got.

[Joel Anderson]

I got five state troopers around me. Yeah, I'm real.

[Van Lathan]

At first, I was like, this is cool. It's. It's a. It's. What you gonna do, Fight Lane, Kiff or whatever. But if you're not gonna call him a hoe to his face, the whole thing has to be over, bro. I'm sorry. I agree with Billy. If you not gonna call him a hoe to his face, if you're not gonna be like, yeah, I called you a hoe is a joke. Whatever. If you're not gonna do that, then the whole thing is kind of over. I will say in the press conference, though, him and Lane did have a back and forth about it, so he did get a chance to have a little bit of a back. But if. But he turned it up after he left. And that I do not respect.

[Joel Anderson]

So there's two things here. One, I imagine that he was very surprised that Lane Kiffin, in the middle of that moment, found him, found him and was, like, confronted him in front of everybody with five state troopers around him. I'm pretty sure that, like, I don't know that I would have had, you know, the wherewithal to been like, oh, yeah, by the way, you are a hoe. The second thing is, why are you guys acting like he actually called him a hoe. He used the rap. He used a bad metaphor.

[Van Lathan]

Right. He called.

[Joel Anderson]

He called him a hoe.

[Van Lathan]

He didn't call him a ho the way that the guys call. Call each other a hoe in the lie. I get it. But he called him a hoe, though.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, that. It wasn't a hoe. That was an assault on his manhood or whatever. Right? Like. Or his masculinity. Like, he was. That was all intact. Everybody understood what he meant. Did nobody say that he was weak or, you know, or being a whole ass? None of that. Like, it wasn't like that. It was just like, bro, you know, you out there. You know you out there. You know you out there, man. And you know what I'm saying? It's just like you kind of being a hole right now, dog. But it's. Whatever. It's. It's all good. Nobody was calling him, like, a, you know, a. Or anything like that.

[Billy Gill]

So could they both be hoes?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Yeah, they could both be hoes.

[Joel Anderson]

They could both be hoes.

[Van Lathan]

My thing is this. I'm not. Ain't nobody asking for the guy to fight Lane Kiffin, but to me, it's kind of like a situation. I've been in front of people's faces before or in conversation with people before that I've said stuff about. And you kind of got to be ready for it.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Right, Right.

[Van Lathan]

Like, that would be like.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Or don't say it on the front end. You know, if you're not going to back it up, don't say it on the front end.

[Van Lathan]

Exactly. That would be like being in a. That would be like being in a public place and making a joke and dissing a man's wife, and then watching as that man walked directly up to you, pull his hand back, and then smack the. Out of you, and then you doing nothing. That would be kind of like you. You definitely weren't ready for the smoke that that man had for you, bro. And I. What I would feel like is. And that should have never happened, but what I would feel like is. Were to joke on somebody's wife and then watch somebody walk up on the stage. At some point, you gotta step back and put your hands up. At some point, you got to be ready for what's coming at you.

[Joel Anderson]

So. So every. So every. So everybody's good with Will Smith now then. So that all that over? Because, like, you know, somebody disrespects you, there's somebody close to you. You got to go up there and you Got to handle up. Is that right?

[Van Lathan]

And it was a terrible thing to do. But. But I'll tell you this. Am I okay with it? Yeah. I mean, it happens, you know, it happens. Like, it never. It wouldn't happen. Let me not say it's never happened with me. But, like, happens. It's. It. It happens.

[Billy Gill]

I mean, this is a.

[Joel Anderson]

Call him a hoe.

[Billy Gill]

This is a safest environment for Ben to call Lane a hoe to his face. Also, like, he had a free shot at calling him a hoe. Nothing was gonna happen. Nothing was gonna happen.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yeah. He could have just said, didn't stop acting like a hoe. And he would have looked like a hero. You know what I mean? Everyone, like.

[Van Lathan]

Cause what Lane gonna do? Okay, so if he'd have been like. If he'd have been like, you acting like a hoe right now. Like, if he would have walked up the street, would have been like, you want to come in? He's like, nah, I don't need to go in there.

[Joel Anderson]

He should have done that.

[Van Lathan]

Well, I'm surely gonna get crowded. I'm not.

[Joel Anderson]

I. I wish he had. I wish he had forced Lane to do something. Yeah, I just. I. I really do. Because, like, then that would have just. Again, you're.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Well, he could have kept him at Ole Miss, right? Like, if Lane punches him in the face, he's gonna stay.

[Joel Anderson]

Did you all watch Ben's video? Saved your whole explaining all this, by the way.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, Ben. I don't want to hear from him. You had to call him a hoe. You didn't.

[Van Lathan]

No, no, no, no.

[Joel Anderson]

He said he.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

He had the ch.

[Joel Anderson]

Man. I mean, hey, people tell us all kind of stuff. And are we about. We supposed about to do something about it? No, no, no.

[Van Lathan]

We're not doing nothing. We're not doing nothing. We're not doing nothing. We're not going.

[Joel Anderson]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

But can I tell you something? Do you know what it's called what Lane did to Billy, to me, or to Benny, to Ben? You know what it's called with Lane did to Ben?

[Joel Anderson]

What is it?

[Van Lathan]

That's hoeing somebody. That's exactly what you call that. That is hoeing somebody. Going up to someone, being like, oh, what's that shit you was talking? I'm right here. Say it now.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

That's what I thought.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's what I mean. I just.

[Van Lathan]

That wasn't weird.

[Joel Anderson]

That wasn't. That was fake. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Y' all. From the.

[Joel Anderson]

How does Tate know that was fake?

[Van Lathan]

Knows. That's what I thought.

[Joel Anderson]

That Was fake, bro. It's like, again, I was walking. I'm walking in the message of a post game. I mean, a post game scrum. There's all these people running around, and I'm trying to get quotes and I'm trying to figure out where I am. And the person I was trying to talk to, they just walked away from me. And then Lane Kiffin emerges with five state troopers, and I'm just supposed to have my. Oh, yeah, my bad. Yeah, I did call you a hoe. What's up? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? He was supposed to have it together just like that. Get out here, dog. Ben, I don't with Ole Miss. I don't support y'. All.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Oh.

[Joel Anderson]

But I think.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Damn it, Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't with y' all all that rebel. But on this point, I. I think that I. I agree that you did not call him a hoe and that Lane was acting like a hoe. And if Lane, look, if you have a problem with it, come I. I invite. Run into me at the downtown Silver Spring outside.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

That's right.

[Billy Gill]

Are you challenging late to a fight on behalf of Ben?

[Joel Anderson]

Well, I'm just like. If you. If you. If you that worked up about being called a hundred fifty.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Joel's talked himself into Lane giving. Called him a. Oh, my God.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I'm 47. I'm 47 years old. Please call me.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, just to let you guys know. So somebody's gonna pull me to the side. Just to let you guys know, it's not something that we like to do. This is how Spotify talk to you. It's not something that we like to do. I've never had this conversation challenging public figures to fights on our airwaves. I'm not saying you. I'm not telling you what to say on your podcast. We love you. You're crazy. You're irreverent.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, so you've had this conversation, clearly, huh?

[Van Lathan]

I'm not saying. I'm not. I'm letting you know that, like, for us, it does get into a little eagle thing.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yeah. Be a great episode, though.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

If. If Lane Kiffin comes to me and wants to fight, I'll be like, hey, man, I probably did. But, like, I'm sorry. Is that okay? You wanna. Are you. Are you. Are you okay? Are you, bro?

[Van Lathan]

Is. You say that to Lane and then Lane pull up on you and beat your.

[Joel Anderson]

No, Lane. Nah. Lane couldn't beat my ass, though.

[Van Lathan]

That's the funniest thing.

[Joel Anderson]

It wouldn't go. It Wouldn't go like, he thinks it's all talking.

[Billy Gill]

He.

[Van Lathan]

I know. He.

[Joel Anderson]

I said, the thing is, he pulled that with Ben because he saw being. He was like that, what, 18 years old? Because remember, he did say he didn't know his name. He's like, I don't even know your name to the kid. But he pulled up on him because.

[Van Lathan]

How did you remember what he said?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Who do you think showed that to Lane? Because, like, that person is devious with all that has going on right now. Lane, I gotta show you this podcast.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

I gotta think it's Knox, right? His son. It feels like something your high schooler would show you, you know?

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

They're popping on you like this kid right here, you know?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

This guy called you a hoe. Yeah, dad, you know what that means when you're a hoe? You know what that means? You know what that means when the guy called. He called you a hoe? Look, that.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, that's what it feels like. It feels like your teenage son says.

[Joel Anderson]

Call me a hoe.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

And then he was like, it couldn't be me, dad. Definitely.

[Joel Anderson]

That's right. Yeah, it couldn't be me, dog. They gonna call me a hoe. But I guess you cool with that. You from a different generation. So.

[Van Lathan]

So just so we're certain, Billy, you think that Ben is a hoe, and Joel, you think Lane is a hoe.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I think that he's acting like a hoe.

[Billy Gill]

There could be multiple hoes here.

[Joel Anderson]

We're.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

We're forgetting.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't think. I don't. I mean, like, he used a bad metaphor like that. I just don't. That's it. What did he do wrong?

[Billy Gill]

Do you think it's possible? So, like, Lane told us, like, before he makes a decision, he needs to call Nick Saan and see what Nick Saban thinks. You think he called Nick Saban? He's like, hey, this podcaster called me a hoe, Nick. Like, what should I do?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Here's what you do, all right? You go up to him.

[Joel Anderson]

I wish my dad was here to help me to figure out if I should fight this guy for calling me a hoe.

[Billy Gill]

No one called Monty.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Nobody ever called me a hoe in my career. Yeah, I can't relate.

[Joel Anderson]

Actually. Actually, Jim Harbaugh. Well, no, that's right. He did kind of step to Jim Harbaugh, man.

[Billy Gill]

Really?

[Joel Anderson]

What's your deal?

[Van Lathan]

What's your deal?

[Joel Anderson]

What's your deal?

[Van Lathan]

Like, you. You acting like people, not like, down for these conversation. It happened Remember Tom Herman and Alex goish?

[Joel Anderson]

I do remember that.

[Van Lathan]

Remember. Remember the handshake. Alex go is. That was the sassiest. Looks so sad. He sauntered away from him. Go. Watch that clip.

[Joel Anderson]

Go. Came out.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yeah. Salter is the right way to describe it.

[Joel Anderson]

Boom.

[Van Lathan]

And then he, like, he sauntered away from him. And the whole time, this is. This is Gish. And Tom Herman is running behind him, and goal is just sauntering away from him like this. Get the fuck out of here. Made Tom. Tom Harmon look like a fool.

[Billy Gill]

See?

[Van Lathan]

And there was no fight. No fight.

[Billy Gill]

There's. There's a chat AI summary of what's going on right now on this show, and it says viewers in the chat are reacting to a conversation, possibly a debate or challenge between Joel and Lane. The viewers are making jokes and offering commentary on the exchange.

[Joel Anderson]

I did not silence Lane Kiffin to a friend.

[Billy Gill]

You definitely did.

[Joel Anderson]

I did not come up on you.

[Van Lathan]

I think he's nuts. You just did that.

[Joel Anderson]

I cannot wait until he truly believes I called him.

[Van Lathan]

I just told him if he truly.

[Joel Anderson]

Believes I called him a hoe. And that is a real problem with it. I'm not going to go to Alfred nor. Nor Baton Rouge, so he would have to come with me when I got my son probably out on a Saturday or Sunday morning. I'm just saying. Because you're like, oh, man, I'm mad. Joel Anderson may have called me a hoe.

[Van Lathan]

Do you know what? Do something about change, Joel. What changed, Joel, is when I talked about the Spotify conversations that I might have maybe have had to have before. Joe don't want to have one of them. Joe not down for that smoke.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, I don't. Yeah, I don't want to have that conversation. That's right.

[Van Lathan]

Down for the. Why did you have Adam22 on the podcast Smoke? Oh, Joe not. Joe not down for that smoke. He's not down to get. Look, but it's all family. We all family.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. And again, I mean, would y. Would y' all ride for me if I fought if. If. If. If Lane Kiffin decided it was time to ride on me, which I would. Which I have my back, though, 100%.

[Van Lathan]

There's only one thing that I got to do, though. I only have. I only serve my only job.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Every time Joel gets him down, I'm raising the roof.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

My only job is to. I gotta let you have your one. You gotta have your one.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

My only job is to make sure the rest of the Ole Miss players don't Jump in. Oh, man.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

If it's a 1v1, we gotta stay out of it. But if there's.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, okay. All right, all right. I appreciate it. I appreciate it.

[Van Lathan]

Until Lane start doing what I know what's gonna happen.

[Joel Anderson]

See, man, just because. Just because you're the only part, you. Don't you think you're the only person that took boxing classes before, you know what I'm saying, this morning?

[Van Lathan]

I'm not talking about. I'm talking about the fact I got my ass kicked this morning. No pride whatsoever.

[Joel Anderson]

Really?

[Van Lathan]

No proud whatsoever. I got my ass kicked this morning. Hey, old school, you want to go a couple rounds? Yeah, why not?

[Joel Anderson]

Sure.

[Van Lathan]

Old school.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

You think. You think Lane Kim's ever gotten in a fight? I was thinking about that in the moment when he was like, do something about it. I'm like, it feels like Lane would have never gotten in a fight, you know?

[Joel Anderson]

Man, he got. He feel like he got a mouth. That would get him in that kind of trouble, though.

[Billy Gill]

When did you take boxing classes, Joel?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, 20 some odd years ago.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, good.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Oh, yeah. So he's ready to rock.

[Billy Gill]

It's like riding a bike.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, I mean, you learn how to throw.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Shows up, he's like, you know.

[Joel Anderson]

You know?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

How do you do that?

[Joel Anderson]

You know what I'm saying? There you go. That's all right.

[Van Lathan]

You know? Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's right.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Get your hair off the line. Don't let them see, because, you know the receipts coming back. Don't let them see it.

[Billy Gill]

The hands are a little low there, Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, you know, I said, it's been 20 years. I still need to get some. Yeah, that's true. You do need the. That's right.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, that's true.

[Van Lathan]

You gotta cover your face just like this, like. Because remember, you're Jack Dimps, Gypsy.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

We get Max Kellerman on the call for this, that'd be great.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, yeah, I have it. You know, I mean, yeah, Colleagues now, I guess.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I'm not. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna fight Lane, and he's not gonna fight anybody, which is why you're gonna boss Lane, and that's why. And, no, that. This is. This is why Lane was being kind of on the whole side of things because, like, you weren't gonna fight that guy, bro.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Well, you're about to keep saying he's on the hoe side of things. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

You just called him a hoe again when he said he don't like that. Yeah, for real, bro.

[Joel Anderson]

You're not like that you weren't going. You and I are gonna fight nobody, bro. You just. I mean, just. I wish he had, man. I wish we had the viral video of Lane Kip. Lane Kiffin scuffling outside of. On the stadium. The day that he's considering. This is the night after he's prayed. You know what I'm saying? I need God to help me with my decision. And scuffling with the reporter for calling. For not even calling him a hoe. Using a lyric that analogizes to hoe behavior. I mean, great. He should. Yeah. He was really gonna fight that guy. Get the out of here. Lane Kiffin, settle down.

[Billy Gill]

Oh.

[Van Lathan]

2013, Iron bowl third. Auburn making a game of it.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Auburn with the ball.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

5:30 to play.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

In the third. So they got a hold of the quarter. Yeah, Auburn making a game of it, man.

[Joel Anderson]

Auburn's. I mean, Alabama. I mean. I don't know, man. I mean, they did.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, my God. Disgusting.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, what happened? What was going on?

[Van Lathan]

SMU down 10 right now to. To. To California, man.

[Joel Anderson]

Cal ain't even got no coach, man. I mean, well, you know, not. Not. They got. Nick Rolovich is the interim right now.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Which is crazy when you think about Rolovich. He got. They fired him at Wazoo because of COVID and then now he's the head.

[Joel Anderson]

Coach at UC Berkeley, I mean, which had one of the, like. I mean, he wanted to get the vaccines now. Yeah.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

UC Berkeley.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I was. That's. If. If you want to know how far in the past we are taking cover. Seriously. There you go. Right there.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, that says it. Can we do some quick hitters before we get out of here? We've been. We've been rocking for quite some time, and we just did a great lane Kiffin, you know, Bib. So some quick hitters here. I wanted to start because we got Billy on, and Billy's in Miami. This is what Mario Cristobal, AKA Crystal, said. He said, quote, there's no such thing as bad weather, only soft people. End quote. Billy, are you allowed to say that if you live in Miami?

[Billy Gill]

No. That's, like the most football coach thing ever.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

I mean, where has he been? I guess he was in Oregon.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Right.

[Billy Gill]

But, like, how long was he even there? Because where else has he coached? Been bad weather. He was in Alabama for a little bit. That wasn't bad. Just Oregon. But, like, you're the Miami coach. What are you talking about?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, it felt like it fell flat because he's the Miami coach. A lot of People were upset about that quote.

[Joel Anderson]

You had Miami talent against Pittsburgh talent. I mean. I mean, there you go. That's the. That's the story of that game in a nutshell.

[Billy Gill]

You know, there wasn't even that bad of weather for that game, right? Like, it was snowing a little bit when they got off the plane, but it was fine. Not like Illinois. Did you see the Illinois game before?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Man, that was real.

[Joel Anderson]

That looks wild. Yeah. Have y' all ever been to Champaign, Illinois? Everybody know champagne? You have? Yeah, of course.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Not football. Not a football game. Been a couple basketball games with Illinois basketball fans.

[Joel Anderson]

Great people.

[Van Lathan]

People.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Man, I would like to go see a game there like that.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, it's good. It's all D. Brown there. It's a good time. A couple more quick hitters want to run through. Georgia survives against Georgia Tech. We talked about that game. Really nothing of note there other than Brent Key. A little upset after the game. Indiana destroys Purdue 56 to 3. Van, does that help Heisman Doza? Do you think that helps the campaign or people are not watching because it was such a blowout?

[Van Lathan]

I don't know that anyone was talking about the game itself. I think if he is going to win, it's going to be people that have a very keen eye at the body of work. I feel like this. Heisman races for the Heisman experts. But like a lot of. I wonder, the question for this, for this year is who are the.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Billy, you have a vote, right? Yeah, Billy has a vote.

[Van Lathan]

So who are you going to vote for?

[Billy Gill]

I don't know. It's still up in the air.

[Van Lathan]

Wait, what can you tell us?

[Joel Anderson]

Billy, you have a Heisman vote?

[Billy Gill]

I don't know.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Play by play guy.

[Billy Gill]

Is that a thing that can be told or is that like something that you got to keep secret? It gets reviewed.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

I think you just can't bet on the Heisman. I think it's. I think you can. You can tell people you have the. Like, I have a Wooden Award, like in Naismith mode, but, like, I can't bet on it, you know, you should.

[Joel Anderson]

Give your ballot to Deadspin.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Get a thing.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, I get it.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, we can move on. That's all right.

[Van Lathan]

I don't know what the you talking about.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Inside. Inside school there that says.

[Joel Anderson]

I should.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Do a big called J School with Joel.

[Billy Gill]

Wait, so you're gonna fight Lane or what?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Like, if he shows up.

[Joel Anderson]

Don't bring that up again.

[Billy Gill]

If he saw this episode.

[Joel Anderson]

Open that up again.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

I can't wait till Billy Clips that and puts it out. It's gonna be so good.

[Joel Anderson]

Look, man, I'm not. I. I pro. I can promise you one thing in life. I'm not fighting Lane Kiffin. I mean, I know that for certain.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

If he would have back to when he said, come to Silver Springs, Maryland.

[Van Lathan]

Downtown, Silver Spring, we're not gonna flash it back. We're going to break that out.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

And we're like.

[Joel Anderson]

Because, no, we're not. We're not doing that.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, look, look, look, look, look. There was a little. This little dude that went to. Went to tech with us. We called him the Cricket. That was his nickname. And one day, the Cricket got mad at one of my homeboys, and he looked at him and he said, hey, hoes that talk shit get they issue issue. And I remember looking at it because the Cricket was talking. My eyes got big, and I was like, oh, this just called you a hoe. Get your issue. Joe, I gotta tell you, it could be said that you was talking.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't think it was. I think the. That I was saying is that you're a grown man. Act accordingly. Grown man. You got a lot on the line. You got family, a whole bunch of people you gotta impress. You're not about to fight a blow.

[Van Lathan]

To my people in the chat. We got a lot of people in the chat. To my people in the chat. I need y' all to do two things. Number one, share, ring or tailgate, like, comment, subscribe everywhere, send it to three friends. Like, we're having so much fun. Blow the show up. Two, when we put the clip out of Joel saying, yeah, that Lane Kiffin needs to meet him.

[Joel Anderson]

We're not doing that.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Tag Lane to please tag him.

[Joel Anderson]

No, don't do that. For a fight. If.

[Van Lathan]

If all of y'.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

All.

[Van Lathan]

It's 600 people in here, a little over that. I need there to be at least 600 quote retweets, at least.

[Joel Anderson]

No, he can fight him.

[Van Lathan]

If Joe said he wanted to fight him.

[Joel Anderson]

If Lane.

[Van Lathan]

I need y' all to put that out there.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, Joker had. If lame needs to get me on camera cowering before five Mississippi state troopers and him threatening me. Because I again, just sort of glanced at the idea that he was acting like a hoe. Yeah, I mean, I guess people. People are going to get that viral video because that's the third time I would be like, I'm sorry. I was like, why did you come to me? You really came to Maryland. This is like the guy that actually drove to Temecula. That's this is crazy. All right, well, look, I've got my son with me. I'm gonna go home.

[Billy Gill]

Can I. Can I propose a solution for you, Joel?

[Joel Anderson]

I don't need a solution. I already. I'm already saying, well, I'm trying to help you, so I don't need to know. I don't know.

[Billy Gill]

This is one of those things where obviously someone's going to clip this, right? Whether we control it or not.

[Joel Anderson]

So I don't think nobody has to do it. We can make a decision after.

[Van Lathan]

No.

[Joel Anderson]

I'd be like, no, but it was.

[Billy Gill]

Live, so we can't even make it disappear. You did this on a lot. You called him a hoe on a live podcast.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

For whatever reason, the chat will share.

[Billy Gill]

So someone's likely going to. Going to clip this and put it out there so we can kind of control this narrative. And maybe what we do is we clip it and we put it out. But on the back end of it, we can also put you showing how it is that you box. Then Late knows whether or not he wants to come and get some, you.

[Joel Anderson]

Know, give him a little break. It wasn't that funny, fan. It wasn't. It was. It wasn't that funny. It wasn't that funny.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, Joe, don't be mad. Wait a second. Joel, remember. Don't be mad.

[Joel Anderson]

I, like, remember how it was. Remember how it was when we. You know what? If I talk about. The person's going to recognize himself in. In the comment. But remember, we had somebody. Well, forget it. Just.

[Van Lathan]

Joe, why going? You've already challenged a father to a fight. Why are you getting bashful?

[Joel Anderson]

You're not saying. No, you're not. Nobody's special because they got kids. I don't care who Lane. Kid with kids are all up again. I'm just saying he's not going to come up here. We're never going to see each other.

[Van Lathan]

Although, you know what?

[Joel Anderson]

You know what, though, was funny? Because what if they make it to the national championship game and we all go to the national championship game and I run into him at that media event, and then it'll be like, well, who's that you said on that podcast you have? And I'll be like, yeah, man, that probably wasn't the best idea if you took offense to it. I'm sorry.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Well, that'd be good. That'd be nice.

[Joel Anderson]

Is that a good way to handle it?

[Van Lathan]

No.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

I think you need to square up. I think you should square up and protect your face.

[Van Lathan]

I'm gonna go crazy if you do.

[Joel Anderson]

That, they're not going to national championship over.

[Van Lathan]

I'm gonna be like, hey, don't get too close. Because you look like, hey, don't get too close. It's my man. Don't get too close. Like, gentlemen. We could talk it out, Joel, if you want.

[Billy Gill]

If you want to grow this podcast, the best thing you can do is either punch Lane or get punched by Lane on camera. Nothing's gonna get us eyes like that, right?

[Van Lathan]

Okay, last question. Because I know we. We just bullshitting.

[Joel Anderson]

Now.

[Van Lathan]

What would do more for the pod? Joel beating Lane up or Joel getting beat up?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

I think. I think Joel getting beat up because then, like, people, I think, you gotta take a dive, Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

Nah, man, I couldn't do that. I couldn't do that. People are like, I couldn't do that. I had to lose square. I had to lose straight up. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna take a dive.

[Billy Gill]

And if he hits you in front of your kid, that's great for us.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm not gonna. You see? I mean, I shouldn't even give my strategy out. But we're not gonna stand up. Up. It's not going. It's not gonna be. It's not gonna stand up.

[Billy Gill]

You're taking over the grounds?

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah, of course.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Low men. Really?

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, bro. I mean, I'm not even. I mean, bro, I. I was a really good wrestler, bro. Yeah, I mean, like. Yeah, I mean. I mean, I don't. I don't even want to talk about this, but, you know, like, I had. I had wanted to come to my dorm room wanting to challenge me, because they'd be surprised. They'd be like, God damn, Joe got that on his back. Like, guys would come.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Guys coming to your door, trying to rush.

[Joel Anderson]

I'll never forget, there was a. There was a cornerback. No, no, no. I'm not gonna make it. Homophobic.

[Van Lathan]

So, Joel, I'm not gonna let you be toxic fan.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm not gonna let you be toxic.

[Van Lathan]

1998. Joel gets a knock at his door. He opens the door. Guy outside his door, yo, you try.

[Joel Anderson]

To wrestle, I promise you I pro.

[Van Lathan]

That.

[Joel Anderson]

That is a. That. This is. I'll tell you want me to tell you the story?

[Van Lathan]

Oh, my God.

[Joel Anderson]

You want me to tell you the story?

[Van Lathan]

That was coming from all. Trying to wrestle.

[Joel Anderson]

No, no, no, no. Listen. Stop it. So, look, I had beat a couple dudes wrestling, dog. Just like. Just, you know, kind of getting them up, you know, hemming them up or whatever, and it was just like, I wasn't a top recruiter, anything. So it was kind of embarrassing to a couple of dudes, you know what I mean?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

And so they're coming back for seconds.

[Joel Anderson]

One night, I swear to God, I'm in. In. I'm in Moncrief hall, room 227. Dude knocks on my door. It was one of our cornerbacks, and he's drunk, and he's got, like, four people with him, and they're in the hall. He's like, flat. He's like, platt, come out here. Platt was my nickname. I'm not gonna tell y'. All. Why.

[Billy Gill]

Why?

[Joel Anderson]

He's like, platt, come out here. Come out here. I was on the phone with my mom, dog. Okay? And I was like, man, I'm not. No, it was. No, it was like, eight. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't. The sun was still up. It was like, kind of dusk. Okay? But anyway, I'm on the phone with my mom. Like, bro, I'm. I'm not about to wrestle you, man. Get the out of here. You know what I'm saying? I'm just. And so anyway. But it was like that. It was like, you know, word had got around that I knew how he was.

[Van Lathan]

Like, he was, like, flat. I gotta feel you on me.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

I don't think you need to say he was a little drunk.

[Van Lathan]

That.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

That felt like an implication.

[Van Lathan]

This is a. This is one of the greatest love stories of our time. Go ahead.

[Joel Anderson]

Sorry.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Timothy Chalamet.

[Van Lathan]

So. So. So what? Okay, so I would have won that wrestle.

[Joel Anderson]

I would have run that wrestling match. I mean, was a cornerback. I was a running back. Like, there was just no way. Like, he just was not. I was gonna. I would have him up. But also, I was like, bro, especially when somebody's drunk, you don't want to fight nobody drunk, man, because they don't. You know, I just. I. I was like, this can only end badly. I was very mature for 18 years old, you know?

[Van Lathan]

So you didn't wrestle him?

[Joel Anderson]

I did not wrestle him. Of course not.

[Van Lathan]

Who did you wrestle, though? That's the.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, a couple of people, man. Like.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Like.

[Van Lathan]

Like.

[Joel Anderson]

Like five people. The last time I had a wrestling match in 227. No, no, no, no, no. So I'll tell you, this is my last wrestling match, so.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, just so we're clear, this is the last time I'll interrupt, I promise. Okay, just so we're clear, you don't wrestle for your school?

[Joel Anderson]

No, we just.

[Van Lathan]

Around. You say wrestling match, you're talking about.

[Joel Anderson]

Wrestling your friends for fun in the hall, huh?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Are people betting on this, Joel, or what?

[Joel Anderson]

I don't think so. I don't think it got like that. You know what I'm saying? But anyway, so one time, I'm walking back from practice, it was a bunch of us, and it's like, there's a defensive end and Quincy Lunsford, man. Rip Quincy, man. I looked him up a few years ago to see if he was alive, and he. I mean, he. I mean, he got killed in a knife fight, bro, in like, 22, 2002. It was really sad.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, my God.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Whoa.

[Joel Anderson]

Anyway. Yeah, man. But anyway, so Quincy's like. He was 6 foot 4, 245. He was from Brazosport, Texas. And he was just like. And they said, platt, I heard you. He's like, man, you ain't. Bro. You ain't gonna to do. You know, blah, blah, blah. He want. Trying to get me to wrestling. And so we lock up, you know what I'm saying? In the. In the room. And this motherfucker's tossing me, bro. It's the first time in my life, like, I.

[Van Lathan]

You doing what? What?

[Joel Anderson]

Come on.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

So the terminology is not as.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, my God.

[Van Lathan]

Continue. My bad, bro.

[Joel Anderson]

Anyway, I'm losing, okay? Like, I just. This guy is just too big, too strong. He has me on the ground, and I'm like, God, man, I'm. I'm thinking. I remember it was right in front of my locker, and I'm like, man, how the am I gonna get out of this? And our head coach, Pat Sullivan, comes in there, and he gets Quincy off of me. He's like, what the are you guys doing? You have too much energy, you know, we just finished practice. You're not tired enough. And. And then he made us go run, do stadium steps. And I just remember, yeah, we had to do stadium sets together after practice. I was already up, and I mean, Ben Quincy kind of. I still. My neck is still kind of up from that.

[Billy Gill]

But anyway, then you lost that one, then.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, it was decisively, but I wasn't. I wasn't in that. There was a different weight class.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

I told you this Heisman Trophy winner, Pat Sullivan.

[Joel Anderson]

Yes. Pat Sullivan.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Oh, my God.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Auburn. Auburn, yeah. Finest. Yeah.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

In the middle. That's a nice little connection. Connection there, Joe.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man. Rip. Coach Sullivan really good, man. He was a really, really good man. But, yeah, man. So Pat Sullivan breaks it up. He's so pissed. I don't think Coach Sullivan cursed, though. He cursed for effect. Anyway, it was very embarrassing. I remember thinking Damn. I got my ass beat. And Coach Sullivan thinks I'm frivolous, you know? So, anyway, that was my last wrestling. My last real wrestling match, though, right?

[Van Lathan]

Did.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

He didn't say that you were acting like a hoe.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, he didn't say I was acting like a hoe. I mean, people knew, man. I had a. I mean, bro.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

That's what I'm saying.

[Billy Gill]

And you want to wrestle Lane now?

[Joel Anderson]

Well, I'm just saying that if Lane tries to fight me, I'm gonna get him on the ground.

[Billy Gill]

But now he knows about your neck.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean. I mean, everybody. You're giving him your kryptonite.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I mean, what are you gonna do, karate chop me? What the. I mean, what's he gonna do? Hey, Van, your mic is. Is muted, probably for good reason.

[Van Lathan]

Appreciate you. Yeah, you're right. I think he over you, but that's just my thought.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, that's very active. He doing yoga. He.

[Joel Anderson]

Lane's a big dude. He's in good shape. I'm not in great shape right now.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

He's got endurance.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I mean, I'm still strong. Is.

[Van Lathan]

We spent, you know, in an ordered amount of time on this. The only thing I do know is that you challenge them to a fight point.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

That's the only thing that we know for sure. We don't know who will win. We don't know who will lose. We'll know what will happen in a wrestling match. We'll know. That would be wearing singlets or not. But what I do know.

[Billy Gill]

Who's tossing who?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Who's tossing who?

[Van Lathan]

We don't know.

[Billy Gill]

How much time do you need to train for a fight with Lane? If you got, like, your preference.

[Joel Anderson]

If I got my preference.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Days.

[Joel Anderson]

6 months.

[Billy Gill]

6 months.

[Van Lathan]

6 months.

[Joel Anderson]

Six months.

[Van Lathan]

For Lane Kiffin.

[Joel Anderson]

To physically feel right, like, the way that I want to feel, I would need six months.

[Billy Gill]

Well, then you think he's gonna beat your ass.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I don't think he's gonna beat my ass.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

You need six months to train to fight for it.

[Joel Anderson]

My optimal.

[Van Lathan]

Then you think you're getting your ass beat.

[Joel Anderson]

Optimal would be like, I just want to feel good for me before I get into the fight.

[Van Lathan]

But you realize that, like, six months, that means you're gonna do extensive road work.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I'm really rocky. Okay. I would love that. Yeah. Oh, that would be great. All right. That'd be.

[Billy Gill]

Why don't you just pretend you're gonna fight Lane Given and train for six months to feel good about yourself?

[Joel Anderson]

That Would be good. Nobody's going to give me the time I need to. To. To. To work out for that.

[Van Lathan]

You tell your family, look, Silver Spring, they're gonna be like. They gonna be like, hey, Debo. Coming to Silver Springs. Y' all need to watch out. Hey, Daddy, would you read me a story to go to sleep?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

I got no time for that.

[Van Lathan]

No, man, because the lane train is coming.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

I mean, what a good run. Joel. I. I believe in you. I think three months is enough time. You can figure it out right now.

[Van Lathan]

Three months.

[Joel Anderson]

I could do great with that.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

3,121 cows up on SMU. Just to give a little update here.

[Joel Anderson]

How much time left?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Let's see here, here. Fourth quarter, 13 minutes to go. So still some time for SMU to figure it out. 20 to 13. 13 minutes to go in the fourth quarter of the Iron bowl as well, with the ball. So there you go. Final thoughts. Any parting shots? Joe, I'll go to you first. Any parting shots anymore?

[Joel Anderson]

Any more?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Anything else to say to Lane Kiffin.

[Joel Anderson]

Before we get out of here, man? I mean, it's just lsu, bro. Y' all were struggling, man. You know how many points Jacksonville State scored against Western Kentucky today?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

How many? I don't know.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm about to look it up. You don't know? Well, you know, the thing is, I thought I had it up.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, Auburn getting jiggy?

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, Auburn's trying to drive right now. Nick Saban said it's.

[Van Lathan]

They just. They just popped a big one. They on, like, the three yard line.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Oh, well, I'm behind then.

[Joel Anderson]

I. I'm trying to look. What did. How many points did Western Kentucky score today? Oh, Western State scored 34 against. Nice. No, I'm sorry. Jacksonville State scored 37 against Western Kentucky.

[Van Lathan]

LSU might realistically have the worst offense.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

In college football, but they almost upset Oklahoma today.

[Joel Anderson]

Almost.

[Van Lathan]

Play really well.

[Joel Anderson]

You don't want Van Buren to come back like you want. You want to. You want it next year?

[Van Lathan]

I think that we talked ourselves to Van Buren for many reasons, but it's not a dynamic runner, has issues like a great backup, but he's not. It's not for him. It's not for him.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Well, there you go, little LSU parting shot. Van, any parting shots before we get out of here? Any last thoughts?

[Van Lathan]

Last thing I'll say is, I don't know if you guys are tomorrow, but I'm down to emergency pod emergency go live in the event that Lane Kiffin makes his decision and we know to tomorrow. I'm down 30 minutes.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

All right, 30 minutes. Billy will be our final say there and the rest of our great production team.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, schedule someone or something. I don't know.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, we'll schedule somebody. We'll figure it out. It should be out tonight. So Lane, Kif, Auburn scores.

[Van Lathan]

Game's T. Game tied.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Oh, my God.

[Van Lathan]

2020. Everything that we're talking about figures itself out if Alabama loses this game.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, Kaylin Dvor could be on the way.

[Joel Anderson]

Who knows? Damn, bro. You get that? Penn State. He's like, yeah, can I get that here?

[Van Lathan]

I've heard. I've heard people have said that if Alabama loses this game and Kayin Debor decides he wants to leave Alabama, then Lane's first choice changes.

[Joel Anderson]

O.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

And he did call Nick Saban.

[Van Lathan]

If. And Lane's first choice changes. If. If in fact, there's a chance that a Lane is waiting for the results of this game. Game and trying to see what's happening. I don't think that that's true. I think that he. From what I told, he's already, you know, from what I've heard, he's. The things between him and LSU have gone good. But if Kaylin DeBoer is no longer at Alabama, which I could not imagine what happened even if they lost, but if it did, then maybe Lane's looking a different way.

[Joel Anderson]

Man, that's crazy, man. I just, I. I mean, it's just weird that I'll get one game can of all the money that's invested in this, all the programs, all the plans you make at the beginning of the year and then at the end of the year, they're like, man, if Kaylin DeBoer loses the iron bowl, this might blow up everything.

[Van Lathan]

It just seems absolutely right. I can tell you one thing, though. If Alabama doesn't find a way to win this game, those fans are going to go fucking crazy.

[Joel Anderson]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

They are going to go nuts. If they lose this game, it is legitimately back to Florida State situation. It is going to be that tight type of response from the tie faithful. If they lose this game, they lose this game. He's in some. I mean, look, already, you know, they've readjusted their expectations, but if they lose here, it's gonna be. It's gonna be some bad feelings for him for sure.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, just a Bama team that can't run the football, man. I mean, that's just what Bama thinks of itself and the way that they're having to win. And it's good that they found Ty Simpson and, you know, German and Williams and you know, the all the options they got on the outside. But I mean, just the way they're having to win, too, it's just kind of. That doesn't. I can't imagine the Crimson Top fans are excited about that. But we'll see.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

We'll see an ominous ending there. A lot to look forward to, a lot to talk about college football. It's a spinning cycle at all times. We appreciate everybody tuning in to ring your tailgate. It's been a lot of fun. Again, like Van said, go share this with everybody. We're having a good time. Appreciate Billy Gill as always. Joel Anderson.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't like appreciate Billy Jones.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

Joel does not. He also does not appreciate Lane Kiffin. We'll get to that in a future episode. I'm Tate Frazier. This is Ringer Tailgate. We will see you all potentially tomorrow, but definitely on Wednesday. Must be 21 or older in President select states for Kansas and affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 and older in President D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling Problem Call 1-800- Gambler or visit rghelp.com, call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chatincut or visit mdgamblinghelp.org In Maryland, Hope is here. Visit gamblinghelplinema.org or call 800-327-5050 for 27 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8-HOPE NY or text HOPE NY in New York.

[Van Lathan]

Foreign.

[Host (Tate Frazier)]

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