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Welcome back to Ringer Tailgate. I'm your host Tate Frazier. I am in an undisclosed location back in North Carolina and we're having fun talking college football. It is quite the day, quite the storylines, and people are asking, how much longer for Dabo Sweeney? And some people are even calling him Dabo. That's where we are right now in college football. We got Van Lathan, we got Joel Anderson. Happy to be here. And Joel, it's been a crazy day. We got a lot to get to. Vans got the baseball bat ready. This is a fun Saturday. Everybody doing all right?
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Yeah, man. Dog. It's a great day to be a horn frog, first of all.
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Yeah, Rivalry day, we.
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We got it in on Duke Jr. And we never had to, we never, we never had to play them again. So we took the skill at home. Yeah, it's been a great day, man. My son came up, wanted to watch football with me for the first time as a three year old. I was like, oh, man, I'm like living a Hallmark moment here.
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That losing touch, losing the UCF kind of invalidates that. But I, you know, you can take what you can get.
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I'm sure it's a Good day for QB2s. We'll talk about some of the QB2 play. Texas Tech was the star of that storyline. Van Lathan, we're going to do some reactions here. One big reaction, like from today, what we've seen so far, obviously some games are live right now. Apple cup about to kick off some other big games. But so far your one big reaction from the day Clemson is really dead.
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Okay. And let me tell you what I mean. Okay, so there was a thought earlier this year after the Florida State game that Alabama was dead. Wasn't just the result of the game itself.
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Sweeney's alma mater, by the way. Even some Alabama people might have thrown his name out as a good candidate for that job.
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Right. There was some thought that they were dead, but then you saw that maybe Alabama didn't put their best on the field. Maybe Florida State's a lot better than we thought. Whatever, whatever, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. We have had several different versions of Clemson failing now. Clemson failing in the big primetime game against lsu. Clemson failing in the game that they should win. They came back and went. Now Clemson failing in the bounce back game today against Syracuse. They just don't have it. They are enough. There are enough glaring holes on their roster and really enough head scratching decisions made by their coaching staff to say that Clemson is this year's Florida State. And when I say not this year, I'm talking about last year's Florida State this year. It's going to be a rough, rough, rough season for Clemson, man.
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Yeah, I mean, you know, there's been a lot of talk about Arch Manning, like not living up to expectations, the Heisman front runner and all that. Well, that is Clemson is the team version of the arch disappointment because there were a lot of people that thought Clemson had the talent to be the national championship contender this year. Like they had all that talent coming back on defense. They got a guy who again allegedly is a first round draft pick prospect and Cade Klubnick. But I mean we just, I haven't seen it. Syracuse and, and we were in our little text group, Syracuse scored first and I was like, man, Syracuse is dogging these boys. Like, I mean they looked, they look like the superior team. Like they again there wasn't, it wasn't like they got by on some or anything. Like they actually controlled the game from the opening snap like they were by far the better team. And I mean if we're gonna hold experts accountable.
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Oh yeah, dad.
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Damn it. If we're gonna hold, we're gonna, if we're going to be serious about this head then I just, all the people that told us that Clemson was supposed to be really good, they have something to answer for because I, this is, it's shocking how bad they are. Like it's one thing, you know, they'll always do I'll lose Georgia Tech one year and Syracuse another year. You're not supposed to lose Georgia Tech and Syracuse in the same year, let.
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Alone back to back and be down against Troy. I mean right. There's just been so many moments where you're just like, what is happening at Clemson? And right. We tabbed them. Everybody tabbed them right at the beginning of the season. The most talented team in the country. Three future top six picks. One of them was Kate Clubnik, maybe the number one pick. We joked heading into the show that we're going to have the Carson Beck award for the stock free fall. Kate Clubnik, I think you won it by week four. You know, congratulations.
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But I, it's definitely right. But I want to read his line. I want you, you guys. What. What stands out. It's. It doesn't look as bad as what you guys would think it. It would. I'm gonna read this line. 37 of 60, 61%. 363 yards passing, three touchdowns, one interception. That's for the game that was just played.
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Does that line tell you guys?
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Well, for me, that they don't think they can run the ball effectively. I wouldn't. Why would you have K public drop back 60 times? I mean again, they've been behind all day but 60 times.
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Yeah, 60 times. 60 times he, he, he threw the ball. The, the reality is their lack of a running the team isn't not playing well. The team isn't without the team is fundamentally flawed. They're fundamentally flawed. They have a defense that gets pushed around that is supposed to set a new line of scrimmage with the talent that they have on the defensive line. That does not happen. Syracuse didn't have any problem today protecting or Getting what they needed to, to have a productive offense. Then they cannot run the ball. They can't run the ball. They're a one dimensional team and because of that it makes everything that they do on offense very easy to coach against the team at its base. Fundamentally, it's not an emotional thing. It's not a dabo stuck in the past thing where he might be stuck in the past from roster construction as far as that standpoint is concerned, but it's just not a well put together football team. They have too many big holes.
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I think they read too much of the press clippings also. I mean I think they bought and sort of drank the Kool Aid that everybody was selling about this team and said hey Cade so good and Cade so that. But Cade works when the defense works. I think that's a great point fan. When the defense is setting the game, they're able to control time of possession. That's how they wear you down. That's how they win when you're chasing. It's just not the same Clemson, Clemson that we've seen under dabo. And also we had that moment on the sideline where they cut the dabo. Syracuse comes back down and scores again after it felt like Clemson got back in the game, got a touchdown, had settled in a little bit. Oh, oh, here they come. They're going to get it together. And Syracuse scores another touchdown. They cut the dab on. He just gives the unbelievable, like he even seems shocked about what's happening right now.
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He looked morose on the sideline this evening. Like I thought he was gonna cry. Like I, I, I'm, I'm not just joking. Like he looked like he was biting his lip. Like he, like he had lost something really important to him. I mean he did, I mean because you can't really pop your, you know, Clemson if you're, if you're t. If Clemson is tired of winning, I'll go somewhere else. You can't pop your and then go out there and lose like that. Right?
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That was the quote. He said he was 55 years old, he had plenty of more football ahead of him. I mean it was kind of a, it was a very grandstanding quote right F like that kind of felt like a message. And then this is the backup to that message. Not very good.
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Well, it actually seemed like he was daring them to fire him. So the whole nation, the whole college football culture is talking about whether or not this is the end of Dabo Sweeney at Clemson. They're, we're discussing this when you think about five or six years ago, what the peak blue blood, champagne and chandelier programs in college football were. Alabama and Clemson. Those were the two that you could count on being in the playoffs and making around. Of course, Ohio State's always there as well. Right. But Clemson and Alabama were going back and forth for the elite recruiting classes, the. The big games, all of that stuff. Dabo looking at the mortality of his team's classic run in its face, and he raged against the dying of the light. He said, fire me. I'll go build what we've had somewhere else. Right? I'll go do it somewhere else. Then they got on the field, and he reminded people that it is, in fact, over, or at least it seems that way, because I want you guys to remember couple other things. They're doing this with a highly touted quarterback. It's not like they. It's not like Clemson went out and couldn't get the big QB to come sign with them or couldn't get the big DN or the big D tackle. Those guys are on the team. They have a lot of those players. They just don't have enough of those players at really specific and key spots for them not to go out there and not look like they know how to play.
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And that's the. That's the issue right now for. For everybody that's kind of in that fan base, because we all remember Clemson before Dabo, and that's why the threat kind of holds some weight. You know, when he. When he kind of does that grandstanding, everyone's like, he's not wrong. I mean, he took over as an interim. They were in a really downward spot. I mean, you know, Saban goes back to Alabama around the same time. Funny enough, they were on a similar kind of kindred connection there. But it is strange because it does seem like he's breaking, right, Joel?
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Yeah, man. I mean, you know, I said my. My joke was that he did the Nolan Richardson, you know, you know, if you want to fire me, go ahead, do it. And it's like, hey, man, they might.
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They might fire you. You warned plenty of coaches. You told to Sean Foster the week before, right?
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And I don't. But the thing is, and I don't want to blow my counter the day or whatever, but I also. I think you. Dabo has earned the right to have a bad season.
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Yeah, he's not gonna get fired.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. He, like. I mean, people can be mad at him or whatever, but, like, it used to be, you know, like Joe Paterno before he got fired, he had like a four and seven year or whatever. Like that just kind of was accepted. And I'm not saying that Clemson can't do better, that Dabos is near the end of his career, but that, you know, it just seems like, give him a. Give him another couple of years and say, look, but under. No, you know, under these sort of circumstances, you got to embrace nil. You got to do. Stop talking about it in this way in public or whatever. Like, make him, you know, get up to date. Because it reminds me of two guys, Gary Patterson at tcu, when it got near the end for him and it was just like, oh, man, the game has just passed you by. Like, you're the best coach in program history, but we're going to have to move forward without you. And I mean, another guy that we'll probably talk about later, Mike Gundy at Oklahoma State, is like, okay, the game has passed you by, bro. We, you know, and like, you're gonna either have to get with it or we're gonna have to move on without you.
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Yeah.
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You know what? The. The interesting thing to me. And not to cut you off.
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No, go ahead.
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The interesting thing to me is whether or not Dabo feels like he's a Clemson lifer because you, You.
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He's a Bama boy. He's got too much Bama in him.
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I know, but you. You have to think of it like this. It's like if Dabo thinks that he is going to be at Clemson, he said it in the press conference. I'm only 55 years old. That's super young in coaching. Right. But there's nothing. Doesn't do the Urban Meyer thing where it gets too high for him at one place or he loses the quarterback that he's connected to in a soulful and very deep way. He leaves there, takes a couple years off, one year off, or doesn't take any years off, and next thing you know, he's at another program that is in need of an elite coach. Right. If he is going to do the thing that Joel's talking about, some of the people that you. That Joel's talking about, some of the people you named Bow and Paterno, all of these guys that are out of place for all of those times, they are normally a part of the college football upper echelon, but there are those years where they don't achieve. If he's going to stick it out, then he's going to have to deal with the pressure of everybody looking at Clemson in A completely different way than they did in the very recent future. If he can handle that, then he's there for a while. But if this. What's wrong with Dabo? What's wrong with Clemson? What's wrong with Clemson? If Clemson succumbs to some of these other teams and their ascension. I watched Texas Tech today. We talked about it. They look like a real college football contender. They do, they do. And they're not enough players and not enough spots and not enough slots to go around. So the qu. The question is not whether or not, to me, Clemson will fire Dabo. The question to me is whether or not Dabo will fire Clemson and move on to greener pastures.
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Let me ask you all a question then. If your schools if. If Brian Kelly, you know, they get tired of Brian Kelly or, you know, inevitably when Bill Belichick is time for him to move, and they were like, all right, we're gonna bring in Dabo Swinney. Would you be excited about Dabo Swinney as your new head coach? Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah. No, no, No, I wouldn't. No.
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Yeah.
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So. So. No. So I would be excited that a coach that's won that much because that dabble Sweeney's done things that Brian Kelly's never done.
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Right.
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That a coach that's won that much was in the building. I wouldn't be excited that he has sort of an archaic view of how to be successful in college football in terms of, you know, what you have to do today.
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I feel like a job that he would crush, and it's a little bit off the beaten path, but if he went to Liberty, oh, and he would crush, he would win so many football games.
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The moment you said that, I was like, oh, yeah, that is a great fit.
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You know, like a late stage dabo that's kind of feels like where.
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That's a good one.
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But right now, Davos in the thick of things. And the good news for Clemson fans, you got basketball. Brad Brownell, he's got a good program running there and making some runs in the tournament, and what do you got?
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Okay, so there was obviously. And I haven't been paying attention to climate change is affecting college football. By the way, how many weather delays have we had everywhere this week and last week as well? So it looks like this Notre Dame game is still not at the half because of the. The.
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Oh, man.
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Yeah, right.
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That score. I thought this was in the second half.
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Oh, well, I. I could be wrong. I'm looking at what, like, what's down here at the Bottom, it says it looks like it's going in half time. Right?
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You're right.
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Yeah. I've been watching the game. The score is 35, 23. I have observations. One observation is, whereas if you are watching this game from the Notre Dame perspective, you have to be pretty excited that they're running the ball the way that they are, right? That Jeremiah love the backfield, all of that stuff that they're running about ball the way that they are. However, They've given up 23 points to Purdue at home in the first half. The problems with Notre Dame's defense continue to persist. And I bet you that the Notre Dame. Notre Dame post shows that. I watch Irish breakdown and all of these different. I bet they're gonna be unhappy with what they're seeing on the field right now. I bet they are, man.
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Yeah. And I mean, obviously, we're in a situation where they have to win a game. I mean. Oh, and two, we. We mentioned on the last show how many times that's happened in the history of this program. But waiting for a weather delay as you're waiting to kind of decide if you have a real team or not, I feel like the angst that's involved in that. That's pretty much nightmare scenario for every fan base, especially for the Irish right now, Right, Joel?
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Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, I. I don't think I've ever been in a situation where I was in a game where there was a delay, but I can just imagine because, yeah, I mean, the way you prep, you spend all week, and then you have that whole morning, you're getting ready, you're going through your paces, you know, going through walkthroughs, eating at a specific time. You. And then all of a sudden, you just have to stop. You know, you've built up, you know, you finally got over the nerves of the game. You. You broke in a sweat. You're just in the flow of the game. And now we got to stop and basically start all over again. And it's. I mean, it's a testament to those kids. They can go back out there and pick it up. I mean, they got no choice, but still, it's like something that people don't give them enough credit about.
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They get paid.
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Yeah.
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Get your ass out on the field and play. It ain't 1997 where you got a nod. You. You. You didn't. Made you in the war before. Parker commercial. I don't want to hear it.
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Get out.
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Get out there and make a play.
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Got DJ lagway's got a Chipotle Bowl. You know what I mean?
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Go.
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Like. No, it's different. College athletes and we got to stay up and we got to study and go to.
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I mean, they do have to. They do have to stay.
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They do, they do. They got to study they tax returns and they gotta. They gotta. They gotta study these zeros. Get financial management, like, get on the goddamn field.
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All right. I love it. One big reaction. Joel, tell us what you got. What. What did. What did you see today that's got you kind of got you winded up?
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So I feel like Maryland is doing this thing again where they do Maryland. I'm a mar. I'm a Marylander. I live in Maryland now. That's the whole. That's the whole.
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This man's been everywhere.
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Because. Yeah, yeah, man. Yeah.
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Snowfall. Snowfall. Joel.
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Snowfall.
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Snowfall. Anderson, stop it.
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But, but because everybody wants to focus on Wisconsin, there's gonna be time for that. Because I mean that. I mean, speaking of over, you know, it kind of feels like pulling out for Luke Fickle.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. You know what I mean? And I mean, I think the buy out there is 30 million. And it's a question of not. I mean, It's a Big Ten school, but does Wisconsin want to spend $30 million to get rid of Luke Fickle?
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Right.
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That's a. And that's a. That's a real question. But. So Maryland does this thing every, Every, every year. In the last few years, they, they were three and one and last year they started out five and oh, in 2023, they started out three, zero. In 2022, four. No, in 2021. And right now they're four. No, they just won at Wisconsin today at Camp Randall, 27 to 10. And I'm like, are y' all real? You know what I mean? Like, I mean, is this. Is this an Indiana situation? Is this a, you know, Illinois situation where they're going to be sort of on the outside? Because the thing is, is that Maryland, there's really not an excuse like they have a. They don't have a tradition in the way that a lot of other schools do, because kids here, they leave, they go to Penn State, they go to wherever, you know, Notre Dame, they don't stay here and they leave. They leave the area. But Maryland has what they need. Like, they've got money, there's industry here, there's a lot of talent nearby.
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And.
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Right. And right now Michael Loxley has a freshman QB. The dude, 6 foot 5, 230 pounds, Malik Washington, he maybe Is not on the level of Bryce Underwood or JKS out of Cal, but he's good. He's got a lot of potential. 265. What happened? What happened?
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The Oklahoma defensive line is just destroying Auburn safety in the game. It's over. Go ahead, Joe.
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Oh, they got a safety.
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Oh, yeah, they are just. They are. No, that is 24 now. They are just destroying. Go ahead. I'm sorry, Joe.
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Oh, man, you ahead of me. But anyway. Okay. Yeah, but anyway, Malik, six touchdowns, one interception. That interception came today. One sack. He's only taken one sack all year. That's amazing for a freshman. That's usually a thing. Freshmen have a trouble reading defenses. Get rid of the ball. So. I don't know, man. I just, you know, I. I kind of would like. I would like for Maryland to be good. And, you know, Locksley, last year, they went 4 and 8 and he blamed everything on Nil. And he was like, man, you know, and I got. Got into our locker room and there was dissension and everything, but it looks like he's turned it around. And, man, I, you know, I like. I like college football. I would like to be able to go to a game, you know, right down the street and see a good team. So, man, you know, it looks like Maryland might be doing that thing, but maybe it's for real this time.
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Yeah, it feels like you answered your own question there when you were saying, like, is Maryland doing the Maryland thing? I think Maryland definitely is doing the Maryland thing. And I don't think that we're going to see sign life when it gets later in the season, but I do have hope because they have a quarterback. It feels like that's always been the thing with Maryland. It's like, is this the guy? Do we finally have a guy? They tried the whole, you know, to his brother experience, and we've.
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I remember him. Yeah, they. They had. They had to pay to keep him. People tried to poach him. But look, here's the thing about lot. The preseason win total was set at four and a half. Like, that was the. The. The line for. For Maryland. They already had four wins, man. So if you went on over on Maryland, you, you know, good time for you. Get. Get somebody from fanduel.
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I'm gonna be shout out to fandom. I'll be real with y', all, man. If y' all think we gonna break this show talking about Maryland football, I like, I just want to let y' all know something. Okay.
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Oh, man, look at this. This is. That's a big Ten team.
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And this is the thing that you guys don't understand about Joe. Joe's been fighting for the little guy for. For a very long time, man. But, Joel, I gotta pull you back. I gotta pull.
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I gotta.
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I gotta rain.
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Too many little guys.
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I'mma push Maryland right out of your brain and push Ohio State, Michigan, Auburn. I'll even let you get crazy.
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Florida State, Tennessee.
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I'll let you get crazy, Joel. I'll let you get nuts.
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Is this gonna. Is this gonna. Is this gonna be worse when I tell you what happened? Because Tate took Texas Tech, you know what I'm saying? He's got stuff coming up on Texas Tech. And so I was like, well, damn, man. I was going to talk about Texas Tech, which probably ain't much better, I guess. But then I was like, well, man, let me search around because I don't want to. I don't want to steal something from another segment. So I ended up on Maryland football. Some respect for Maryland.
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We got to pay our respects to Maryland football. Shout out to the Maryland flag football.
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Dominique Foxworth, Vernon Davis.
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Yeah, they've had some good players. My favorite moment from Maryland football. 2003. They played and the Terrapin and the Ram mascot fought each other just during the. Like, it was a melee during the game. You know what I mean? That was real. That's terrible, messing around. Yeah. So shout out to Maryland football.
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So dismissive, man.
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Yeah, Van, you're right, though. We got to talk about a team that I think will capture America's heart. Texas Tech. They did it the right way. They went in the portal and paid everybody. That's what you're supposed to do now. That's the right way now. So Texas Tech did it the right way. They won a big game. Utah was the flavor of the day. Everybody was all in on the youths. Everybody on this show, we have talked about how much we like Utah. This was the first real test. And then the funniest part, my big reaction, QB2, Will Hammond. They, you know, obviously, you know, Morton gets hurt. That was a big storyline. He goes out. Was it a dirty hit? I'm not here to litigate that. I'm here to tell you this. It's good when you have two quarterbacks, especially when. When the back backup quarterback is actually maybe better than the starter. He looked like it today. So Will Hammond. Oh, big winner.
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Oh, let me give you one more big reaction to see if this meets Van standard right here.
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Here we go.
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Devin Damp here. I apologize for saying that. He was really good earlier in the year. Because I don't know. Yeah. Oh, wait, who. What happened?
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I said you're out. I said you're out on everything.
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I thought somebody got knocked out. I was okay, my bad. Touchdown. Yeah. No, man, I mean, I just, I thought he, I didn't know he couldn't pass like that, you know what I mean? I saw him against Washington State last year and I was like, man, that dude's nice. He's got some athleticism. But I guess when I'm looking back, if I think back in my head, I'm like, oh, man, I never really saw if he could complete a 10 yard out, you know what I mean? And I. So today we found out that that is, that is his limitation. That's how he ended up in New Mexico and why he's playing. Utah's not a bad program, but, you know, come on.
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Texas Tech played solidly today. The back of quarterback came in, we came in, they started handing the ball off. I'm like, okay, what's going to happen if their starter can't go? Then he starts dealing, got in a rhythm, started finding guys, started making some throws that were in tighter windows. Then the confidence, the playbook opened up. The confidence that they had in him grew. It was interesting to see, but it was also interesting to see just what a solid team they are, like, solid across the board. You didn't see any huge coverage busts. You didn't see any miscommunications along the offensive line. You didn't see a quarterback that seemed like he was overwhelmed with the moment, stepping in and running the offense. Something else that I saw, the moment that he stepped in, there was a close up shot on the broadcast and a close up shot was of the offensive line reacting to him and they were pound pounding him, they were smacking him, smacking him in the chest, hitting them on a helmet. I could tell they believed in him and they were trying to coach him up on the field to get him to ready to come in this game and be successful. There was snap, there was energy, There was, all right, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go. There wasn't what you see sometimes when your starter goes out, which was a team confused about how they're going to win the game or what it is they're supposed to do, like, oh my God, we don't have our guy, right? Like when Rhaegar Targaryen was killed at the Trident by Robert Baratheon and everybody's like, how are we going to win this battle. And if we don't have the crown prince. Prince Rar. Right. If you. If we don't have him, what are we going to do? That's not.
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C
What is that? What's that? What is that? Which show is that?
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A
What?
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C
What. What. What piece of culture is that? What is that a movie or a show?
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A
Robert Br. You're not, you're not familiar with Robert? Oh, Robert Rob.
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B
He's for the little guys. He's for the little guys. These are. These are big guys.
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A
Bobby B. Bobby B. Is Game of Thrones, baby. You know what I'm saying?
- [27:41]
C
Oh, okay.
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A
But. But what I just told you, that didn't even happen in the Game of Thrones show. That's pretty. Game of Thrones show lore.
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C
Oh, right. Oh, okay.
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A
That's Prince Rhaegar Targaryen. Right.
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B
And then you gotta watch House of the Dragon to get some of that stuff.
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A
Not even.
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B
That's after House of Dragon.
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A
Never been. This has never been covered. Really.
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C
Okay.
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A
But, you know, and Maryland football, the problem.
- [28:03]
C
Okay.
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A
He was how many.
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C
Let me ask you a question.
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B
Who do you.
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A
What do you think has more viewers? Maryland football or Game of Thrones lore? YouTube videos.
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C
Big Ten. I mean, it's a Big Ten program, man. They get a nice little.
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A
You're right. But yeah, so. So Texas Tech looked pretty solid, it looked like, to be honest with you, whether or not their starter comes back or whether or not they have to go with. With him and the backup that came in, it looks like they're ready to go and compete and be a real player in, in the conference. And to be honest with you, maybe in the playoffs.
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C
I would say they've already clinched their spot in the Big 12 championship game, man.
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A
Oh, wow. They don't. They.
- [28:41]
C
They got a very manageable schedule. They. They're off next week, which is great. They're at Houston. They could beat them. Here's the thing. They're going to be favored in every game they play the rest of the year. They're Kansas, they go to Arizona State. They got Oklahoma State. Well, I mean, that's an off week right there at K State. They're not good. Byu, ucf, who knows? And then they close at West Virginia. So they have. I mean, they miss, you know, other potential conference front runner, undefeated tcu. So there's a. They have a. I mean, they should be in the. Unless something really bad happens or they fall apart or whatever. I mean, they really should have clinched their spot in the Big 12 championship game right now.
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B
What about TCU? Will they be there?
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C
Man, you know, I don't know, man, but I was telling somebody, I think TCU looks good.
- [29:32]
B
I think they look solid.
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C
This is the biggest win for Sonny dyke since that 2022 national semifinal against Michigan. It's the first. Because the thing is with Sonny Dykes is that beating SMU shows some sort of proof of concept, because you can't let smu, a program you left, come up, come to your house, the final game of this rivalry for the immediate future, and beat you, right? Because then it's like, okay, well, I mean, you left, SMU got better, you came over here, we got worse, right? You had to win that game. There are a lot of people that had a lot of doubts about him, Me, namely. But it's still, you know, like, I'm. We not. We were looking for something, some sort of clue that this program is back on the rise and that you've got it. You've harnessed the talent. You're not going to make all the mistakes, the penalties, the turnovers that you've had in recent years. And they looked really good today.
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A
And TCU won.
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C
We didn't even have Kavori and Barnes, man, the top runner on the team. So, yeah, man, I. You know, I. I don't want to say that they should, because the Big 12 is funny like that, but, I mean, you got to think that they look so far like one of the three best teams in the league is Iowa State, Texas Tech, and tcu.
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B
I would say, I think the answer now is not Kansas State. Right. If anybody asks you about who's going to win the Big 12, you're going to say, probably not Kansas State. And that was the favorite at one point, which is, you know, Fran Brown said that today. He said vegas doesn't know shit, basically. He didn't say that, you know, in those words.
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A
Van Been the wildest. Been the wildest, wackiest college football season in terms of what we thought was going to happen in a long time.
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B
You know, I hold experts accountable, damn it.
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A
Hold experts accountable, damn it. You know, I peeked around at some of the other teams that were in games that were going be less competitive. The Civil War up there, Oregon in Oregon State, Florida State, Kent State, games like that, just to see how these teams looked. And, you know, a lot of them, even playing against lesser competition, you can tell that they're just moving and operating in a way that some of them, not, not so much Oregon, but Florida State for sure, in a way that people did not think they were going to be operating. I give Gus Malzon a tremendous amount of credit, a tremendous amount of credit just for the way that he has them playing and moving like a well oiled machine on offense. But other than that, you know, it was proven. Games all over the place. What'd you have? You had Auburn and Oklahoma and then of course you had Michigan and Nebraska just to kind of see which ones of these teams were real when they matched up against similarly talented rosters.
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B
And we also had rivalry games. Right, you mentioned smu, tcu. We got the Apple cup is about to kick off. I think it just did kick off. Oregon, Oregon State as you mentioned as well. Duke, NC State playing right now. Duke putting a beating on NC State, who a lot of people thought, you know was a sleeper team, should have been in the top 25. So nice win for the Blue Devils. I'm here in Durham right now, so I had a lot of Duke people asking me about Duke football. Do you watch Duke football? You know, are you keeping up with your football? They lost in Tulane. Yeah, I'm keeping.
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A
Launching the show. Launching the show. Let's talk Duke football. Last year, didn't they win Skip over Auburn, Oklahoma Skip.
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B
I'm just. Rivalry games in general. Shout out to the Apple cup, shout out to the Cougs out there and the Huskies. I love it. I love that we're hitting all these topics. That's what people want to hear. Your biggest thing, man, your biggest thing. What do you have today?
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A
Oh, you know, my overall, my biggest thing is that what I am seeing right now in college football, the first team that is going to be able to establish that they can play defense on an elite level down in and down out, that is going to be your national champion or your favorite. This is going to be a defensive year. I'm seeing a lot of the offenses struggle. I'm seeing a lot of the players, maybe they don't have enough snaps, maybe the offensive lines, maybe the talent has been diluted such that on offense you just don't have the overwhelming. Think about LSU 2019. You had Burrow, Chase, Jefferson, Marshall, Clyde Edwards, Allaire, everywhere Moss, Thaddeus Moss, everywhere. You had somebody that you could argue was top 15, top 10 at their position. Just, that is, I'm not seeing that as much on offense anymore. And it's going to be, in my opinion, a year where the defenses are really going to have an advantage. I saw that. I watched the Michigan, Nebraska game and you know, Bryce Underwood played well enough in that game to keep the chains moving. Made some Big plays. Was really able to keep the Nebraska defense off balance with the amount of things that he can do with his ability to run, his ability to throw all that stuff right, but didn't have an overwhelming game. Who was overwhelming in the game was the Michigan defensive line. And they were able to set the tone for the entire contest to where you knew there was going to be a new line of scrimmage. The quarterback, Dylan Raiola, was going to be under duress, and I think that's going to be the thing that wins this year. I think we're, we're looking at a season where defense, aggressive defense, blitzing defense, making plays on defense and even scoring on defense is going to be the difference in a lot of these games.
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C
Yeah, I mean, go ahead. No, go ahead. Take. You got.
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B
I was going to say contender. Pretender. Just Michigan talking about them. This was a nice win. Obviously they don't have their head coach coach. The interim co bpoji is quite the character. No sleeves today, but looking strong. A nice win for the freshman on the road in Nebraska. This was kind of a game for them to send a message. So do we believe that Michigan can actually do something in the Big Ten, Joel?
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C
Absolutely. They're pretty. We do, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, they're really so.
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B
Hey, man, we're talking Michigan football. Yeah, people are perking up.
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A
Hey, there you go. People are perking up football. Let's, let's see. We've talked, we, we, we talked to Duke, we've talked to Maryland. Now let's get to, let's get to Michigan football.
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C
Let's do it. I mean, we can talk North Texas too. You know, they've going 4 0, but n me green look good. They did look good. They beat army today, but yeah, no, man, I think they're really. I, I, I, I, I kind of got a feel that there's a real chance that, you know, they could, they, that they can be there. I mean, Bryce Underwood, he's, it seems like, I'm not gonna say he's getting better every week, but it just seems like he's, there's nothing really phases him. Right. Like he looks like he's steady no matter what situation he's in and just think about the environments he's played in already. Yeah, Ohio, I mean, sorry, Oklahoma and Nebraska. And that Nebraska crowd looked crazy today, man. Like, it looked really good.
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A
They wanted a win, man.
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B
They wanted a, they wanted so bad.
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A
Oh, bad.
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B
I want it for them. I got a pull for Nebraska.
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A
I did.
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C
Yeah, man, because I mean, this was, it was all set up for them to be here. Like, there's some people that thought they would be an outside playoff.
- [36:44]
B
The rule of three right through year three. That was the whole cell. That's right the time.
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C
But you know, and the thing is, it doesn't mean that Nebraska is bad. It just might mean that Michigan is better, that Justice Haynes is a really good running back that they've got. They've not had an explosive running back like that in a while. McCully, the receiver from, from Indiana, he's athletic, a big target and of course the defense is always going to be there. So yeah, man, I, I could see Michigan being there at the end of the year. I mean, I guess, you know, like again, it's the Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and Indiana.
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A
Yeah, Indiana, Illinois. Yeah.
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C
So, I mean, I mean, I don't know that the five teams are not going to go from the Big Ten, but you got to think that they got to be among that five that you would expect to be in the running at the end.
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B
Can I ask another hypothetical Van, just for fun, If Michigan played Penn State right now, based on what we've seen, based on, you know, what the experience is for Underwood, would you take Michigan or Penn State in that game? That's sort of for me.
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A
Why?
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B
I believe in Michigan.
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A
There's just no way to know. I mean, I would take Michigan based.
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B
On what I've seen. It's okay.
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A
Yeah, like based on what you've seen. The competition that they've played has been different. I talked about the defensive line. It wasn't just the defensive line. The offensive line was mauling as well. Well, opening up holes for guys to run through.
- [38:02]
B
Fifth ball.
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A
Michigan backs were hidden holes today. Oh, daddy. And, and getting in and getting into second or third gear, that's what the people want into the, the second level of the defense and just turning on the jets. They, they had to me what is recreatable week in and week out that they're going to be in games. Like, we've seen them lose. We've seen them. You know, Oklahoma was a little too much for them, but we, they're going to be in games. Penn State has a more veteran quarterback. They have guys on the outside. They have an upgraded wide receiver core. You should look at the rosters and say that Penn State is a better collection of talent than Michigan is, but there would just be no way to know on the field what would happen. We haven't seen Penn State really tested yet.
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B
I'm just saying If, If I'm setting that line, if I'm Vegas, I know Fran Brown, like I said, they don't know anything. But if I set the line, I would say that Michigan might be favored just based on what we've seen. Right now.
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C
We're talking neutral site, right? It's a neutral, neutral site game.
- [39:02]
B
Neutral site. Not at Penn State.
- [39:03]
C
Not at Penn State. Okay. Well, yeah, I mean, my thing is.
- [39:06]
B
Is that I just think. I mean, I don't know. Penn State is not. I just haven't seen anything. No signs of life. And I feel like Michigan's kind of gone through the fire a little bit. They've been able to win some big games, but I also still don't believe in Michigan, but I don't know. I like the D line.
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C
Michigan has the most potential to be good at the end of the year because they have. They have the most. Their ceiling is highest because they have a quarterback who's getting more experience, more snaps, seeing more defenses week to week to week. And so hopefully he'll be a better quarterback by the end of November than he is right now. Right. And so that means, to me, that opens it up for them and for Penn State. I've never seen Drew Aller have a good game against a good defense.
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D
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C
Like, so that would be my problem, y'.
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A
All. What is going on with Michael Irvin, man? Michael Urban is in the middle of a torrential downpour in Miami. He's standing next to the mascot, cranking something, just covered, covered from head to toe in water, just going nuts.
- [42:36]
B
I feel like he's the mascot of Miami, right? Like, I mean, if I think of Miami football, like, I think of Michael Irvin, I don't really think of anyone else. Like, I don't think of, you know, the Big Bird.
- [42:46]
C
So Michael Irvin is, I always say, like, he has to be the most impressed, one of the most impressive professional athletes of all time because he was the alpha in the University of Miami locker room and then the Dallas Cowboys locker room. You don't get to just be that dude by being anybody, right? Like, you have to be a special kind of a guy. But, you know, I'm. What can I. He's a little too mixy to be this old, you know what I mean? Like, I just, I kind of feel like I hope he tucks it back in, man. You know, I hope he's okay.
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A
Tucks it back in?
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C
Yeah, tucks it back in.
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A
He's too mixy to be as old. Like, what? What? So, but Joe, think about HBCU culture. I think about that too. But then think about HBCU culture. Think about the people that go to the Southern games, like, and you see them for 10 straight years at Southern vs Jackson State Jukebox class. You see them all the time, right. They got their stuff on. They yelling, they're crazy. Going.
- [43:41]
B
If they could be college football experience.
- [43:44]
A
Right, Right. If they could be on the sideline going crazy, they would be. Michael Irving is just one of those college football fans, but they let him come down on the sideline.
- [43:53]
B
He just happened to play.
- [43:55]
A
Yeah, my thing is, I was impressed with this from a physical standpoint. Playmaker got to be, what, in his mid-50s, early 60s.
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C
I think it's like, 57, 50 something.
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A
He was going nuts, man. Michael was out there cranking the thing, going crazy. You know, he's fueled. He's like. He's lit.
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C
I feel like I've seen him shirtless recently.
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B
Yeah, yeah. He's popping the top.
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C
He's swinging the shirt.
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A
I looked over, and I was actually taken aback by the fact that he was going that crazy and able to maintain that type of pace on whatever crank thing that was that he was cranking up right there in Miami.
- [44:34]
C
He's in great shape, man. I just. Again, I just kind of just. He's, you know, since the. So either one or two things has happened. You know, the Cowboys documentary on Netflix came out, and he sort of had, like, a rebirth, and people have been reintroduced to him, and I just feel like I've seen him more. Maybe his agent is like, hey, man, we got to seize on this opportunity. You need to be out here right now.
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A
Be.
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C
Put yourself where people are going to see you. But also, the other thing is, like, man, just from the hair to the kind of clothes, I just kind of. I don't know, man. You know, and by hair, I meant, like, the dye. Like, I just, you know, like, maybe Michael Irvin is not going great. I mean, maybe that's totally possible. I'm willing to be open to.
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B
Did you say the same thing about Coach K?
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C
Like, Nick Saban?
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B
Are you picking on Michael Irvin?
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C
Nick Saban?
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A
Maybe.
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C
Maybe. Maybe Nick Saban is a person who. He doesn't go gray. His hair is just, you know, preternaturally brown. It just looks like that. Yeah, but I just kind of, you know, I just. I hope he's okay, man. It just seems.
- [45:28]
B
I think he's more than okay. And I think there is a rule that I think, you know, you talked about being the alpha of the locker room. I think the golden rule of becoming the alpha is if you go hard on the field or the court or whatever, you got to go hard off of it. You know, it was Hard on both. Let me just say. That translates. That translates. Even. Even the people you don't think, you know, they see it. So he's special. Yeah, but I'm just like. It's special talent right there.
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C
Oh, yeah. No, I mean, he's. He's one of a kind man. He's a.
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A
He's a.
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C
He's a. One of a kind person and football player. I will give him a story about.
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B
Stabbing someone with scissors in their neck as if he was telling a story about going to the grocery store. You know what I mean?
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A
Like, this is you guys. I won't let you guys know something. Today is a low key Jeremiah Love introduction to the Heisman situation.
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B
There you go.
- [46:20]
A
It's not an over. He looks good game, but every time they are giving it to him, he is shot out of a cannon. Right now he is at 18 for 146 and two touchdowns. We have a quarter and a half left to play. He's averaging 8 yards of carry, so.
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B
And what are the haters saying? Like, why did you save him for the Purdue game? You know what I mean? Like that.
- [46:39]
A
I mean, why didn't you run the ball like this? Why didn't you have this type of dedication to the run against Miami or against. Against Texas A M? There are people who think that this was a coaching mistake, that Marcus Freeman and the rest of his staff were trying to get their young quarterback all greased up and show what they had and they didn't lean on what they. What it is that they should be doing. And you know, even this is probably gonna. It's probably gonna piss a lot of people off that they're able to run this ball this easily. And they could have been doing this the whole year. Maybe they would have.
- [47:09]
B
On a pitch count, I mean. I mean, from the jump. I mean, game one, it felt like he was on a pitch count.
- [47:14]
C
And I feel like Jadarian Price, like. Well, I did. Was like. I was like, maybe they just really like Jadarian Price, you know, they. So somebody wrote a great profile, a Jeremiah Love that came out in the Athletic.
- [47:26]
B
Yeah, right. They call him an introvert, right?
- [47:28]
C
Yeah, they were calling him kind of weird and stuff. Like, I just kind of thought I'd never seen quotes like that about celebrity athlete. You know, I mean, it was just like, if I would be. I'd be like, Jeremiah Love would have to give permission to my mom or my dad to be like, well, Jeremiah's just going to do whatever he wants to do. And that's just the kind of person this is, it was just a real character study that was unusual. So it was a good story. Like it stuck in my head and I was like, well maybe just he's going to outs here or something like that. But yeah, no, I mean to Vance point, like he looks really good today. But I would, I would say against A M, I think he had like 23 carries or something like that. I mean, you know, he did.
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A
But a lot of, a lot of the stuff that was going on in.
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B
The game, I was the Miami game, I guess.
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C
Yeah, for sure.
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A
They, they. A lot of the stuff that they did in the game, it was unconventional. It was like they didn't quite know how to use them. There was a lot of stuff. Direct snap to him. Yeah, they were doing that a lot. And I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that. It just seemed like the commitment to lining up and running the ball and establishing Jeremiah, it wasn't quite there. And this is me parroting what the fan base is saying. I am so stupid and such an idiot that after these games are over I go and I look at all the major fan bases like Duke and Maryland and I read this message board.
- [48:52]
C
You need to see what they say in North Texas right now.
- [48:54]
B
You got to see those message boards.
- [48:57]
A
All of their post game shows and all of that stuff like that. But, but yeah, so it looks like maybe they've said, oh fuck it, we're giving the ball to, to, to, to our guy to number four and we're going to see how far we can get by putting the ball in this hands.
- [49:09]
B
Well, they have to win every game down the stretch to even be in the conversation and you kind of have to blow out Purdue. So it looks like they're in the process of doing that right now. Florida and Miami just started. So there you go.
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C
Okay.
- [49:20]
B
All right, that's on the board. Illinois, Indiana also about to kick off. Apple cup has just kicked off.
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C
If you guys don't mind, I'm going to take Purdue and Notre Dame out of my multi view to get in that Illinois.
- [49:35]
B
There you go. Your boy doesn't want to talk about Notre Dame.
- [49:36]
C
Notre Dame. Yeah, that's it. Talking about the Irish, Illinois and Indiana.
- [49:41]
B
That's the people he was down to talk about Purdue and how they've expanded their football, you know, program and facilities. But he's out on Notre Dame.
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C
Yeah, I don't want, I don't see Notre Dame right now.
- [49:51]
A
Touchdown Notre Dame. It's. And it's officially it's Officially. It's officially a goddamn bludgeoning there.
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C
Half a hundred Irish.
- [50:01]
A
An Irish bludgeoning there in. In South Bend, so. And they're. They're running the ball like crazy. They're giving it to Price, they're giving it to Love, they're keeping it on the ground, and they're just. They're controlling the line of scrimmage, controlling the game.
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B
And this is what you have to do if you're Notre Dame the rest of the way. You have to win style points because the committee is watching and they want to see, oh, Notre Dame is actually really that good. And they kind of stumbled out of the gate and they lost a close game and had a tough call that was a holding call that would have been, you know, basically, you know, pointed out if we had some sort of review process there at the end. But again, you know, those are a whole lot of if ands and butts, and they got to win football games by a lot. So the Irish, kudos to them. Florida, Miami, are we. Are we intrigued by this game? Are we thinking about it?
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C
Oh, my God, absolutely.
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A
Oh, this is the game of the day.
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B
Some people are.
- [50:53]
C
I mean, yeah, I wish they had had this earlier because. Yeah, I wish I had more time to watch this game, man.
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A
Yeah, for me, this is the game of the day. It's the game of the day. Be. They're bigger games and they're games that I was. That are more important for college football. We talked about, you know, big SEC implications in Auburn and Oklahoma, Michigan, Nebraska, huge for Mad Rule, huge for the conference, as much as I joke. SMU, TCU, gigantic for the Big 12. However, from a culture standpoint, college football culture, the biggest game of the day might have been Miami. Florida. Huge implications here, the coaching carousel. And a big question that we ask every year is the you back. They have to answer that question on the field every single quarter, every single snap. So, you know, it's another chance for them to say, yeah, we're back. By beating up on a Florida team that nobody even thinks is good, but still, they need to win the game. People don't quite believe yet.
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B
It's kind of the perfect spot for Florida, too. You know, like, you're playing the best team in the acc, some would argue the best team in the country, and your season has gone completely sideways. But if you win this game, the perception completely, you know, shifts back in your direction, and that's what they did last year. So this is a great opportunity and also a weather game, you know, it's raining. It's going to get a little bit messy. Joel, what do you think?
- [52:21]
C
Yeah, I mean, this is Florida's first of three games against top 10 teams. So they got three straight top 10 teams. They take a week off. I mean, they take a week off, they play Mississippi State and then they play Georgia. So, I mean, I guess it could go one of two ways. One, we could learn that those boys are still going to play for Billy Napier like they showed last year, right? And maybe whatever is ailing DJ Lagway, they'll be able to get it on track or they're going to lose an embarrassing fashion or lose enough that we're going to have another opening in college football pretty soon. Because, I mean, Florida needs to be able to make a decision on this fairly soon. Right? Like, you don't want to be the last to market. Like, you want to be able to have some time to look over options and, you know, and once Florida comes open, I mean, just think about all the other coaches. Like, starts the dominoes, right? You know, is it Lane Kiffin? Is it, you know, John Summerall? Is it whoever, right?
- [53:17]
B
So, yeah, they played today, and Lane Kiffin and his team, Ole Miss, destroyed, you know, the two lane team that we fell in love with, that the world was kind of falling in love with. So Lane Kiffin, if there was a Florida, you know, AD team or whatever watching that game, he gets a check on the board. You know, they look like the better football team today. But again, he's also at Ole Miss in the SEC with the. With the ranked team. So.
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C
Yeah, Yeah. I mean, and last year, I mean, you know, last year, I mean, I'm kind of. I guess. I mean, I think Lane Kiffin should be happy at Ole Miss. Like, it's far from being for me to tell people about what they should do with their life.
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A
I think he's. I think he's happy there, too.
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C
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, I don't think he should go anywhere else. Like, I think they'll accept him there. He's winning at exactly the right level. That last year was really disappointing for Ole Miss. Like, they didn't even make the playoffs and they had geared up, done the nil thing. The only other team you heard that spent more money than Ole Miss last year was Ohio State. Right? But they. They fell short. And so. But. And it was okay. Like, they ran him back. It didn't seem like Ole Miss is a place that's going to run Lane Kiffin off. And I Felt like you go to Florida, man, you on the clock, brother. You know, like they don't, they're not gonna put up with that for as you see, three or four years. You know, Dan Mullen was pretty good. So. I don't know, man. Lane Kiffin, man, you. Sometimes it's just nice to stay where you at.
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A
Well, I mean it's, I mean that's like with anything in life, right? That's all about how good you think you are.
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C
Yep.
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A
If, if Lane, if Lane Kiffin thinks that he is a coach that is a 9 and 3 guy that could make catch a team and, and get in the playoff and win a national championship, maybe then, you know, you stay at a place like Ole Miss where the tradition of Ole Miss they, they care about their football. But the tradition of Ole Miss and the resources around there are such that their expectations aren't sky high. Florida has had two coaches to change their expectations and they have a commitment to facilities and to other involved in the football program that might not exist in Oxford. So if you think that you are the best, this is the question with everyone, right? Because Terence Crawford last Saturday as we were sitting, was taking a chance that people thought was stupid. He was moving up two weight classes. Really three weight classes. He only had one fight at 154 to fight an all time graded at 168. And people were like, why would you do that? Well, money is one reason. Which would be another thing for Lane Kiffin. Another reason is how good do I think I am? And if Lane Kiffin thinks that if given the right amount of resources that he would be a coach on par with Dabo or Nick or Urban Meyer or whomever else you want to throw out there. Kirby Smart, then he would make the move. But if he is comfortable and living with lowered expectations, then he would stay at Ole Miss because anything they're going to give him is gravy. I'm not saying Ole Miss doesn't want to win. Ole Miss wants to win. Ole Miss has put competitive teams on the field. They do. But Ole Miss wants to win. Florida expects to win.
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C
Yeah.
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A
And it's going to be more money, more resources, more scrutiny, all of that, but just depends on how good you think you are.
- [56:32]
C
So Kaylin DeBoer, it's the Brian Kelly, right?
- [56:36]
A
Hey, if I had what they had.
- [56:38]
C
You just imagine what I could do with that. Right. And so, yeah, I mean I, you know, and I can't imagine the. Lane Kiffin thinks that a lot of people just, just getting a sense for who. Who he is and haven't followed him over the years.
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A
I don't.
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C
I. I don't think he probably thinks there's a lot of people that have a better football brain than he. Than him. Right. So, yeah, I could. I. I could see him doing it, but I also think that Florida is just sort of. I don't think that job is as good as a lot of people think it is, so.
- [57:03]
B
And I also think Lane really likes Oxford, and I do think that Oxford, he loves it. Yeah. It's a great town. He stopped drinking. He's like, you know, he's got his whole, like, you know, it's a. It's a new lane, right? It's like lane 2.0 or 3.0 or 4.0. I don't know what lane we're on, but he's a different version of, like the Lane Kiffin that we knew, usc, you know, the. The original version of Lane. So, I mean, it is fascinating to kind of see how this plays out. I think he likes people talking about him for this job. I think he likes that, you know, Florida has to see him as the number one candidate, and he probably has no intention of ever even entertaining the offer, but who knows? Like you said, money talk. So it's fascinating. Van, I flipped the coin. It came up Belichick.
- [57:46]
C
Oh.
- [57:49]
A
Oh, daddy. Did you see.
- [57:53]
B
Is that a quote from Jordan? What does that mean?
- [57:56]
C
Oh, wow.
- [57:57]
A
So Belichick, man, I've seen some of the. The pregame pictures going around.
- [58:03]
B
Yeah. Bill Simmons is sending us pictures of Jordan and skin to skin suit, skirt or something. I don't even know.
- [58:10]
C
Let me check my phone, what it is. Oh, yeah, I was filming.
- [58:15]
A
Let me ask.
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B
You have to win the games is the question.
- [58:18]
A
Let me ask you this. It's not about how we feel.
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B
All right?
- [58:22]
A
Okay. It's not about how we feel. It's really about how you feel. You are a North Carolina sports fan. It's about how you feel. Do you feel that this is a real football experiment with the associate head coach, Bill Belichick and the head coach, Jordan? Or do you feel like this is a weird twilight years, odd identity lists, old man in the sea, chasing the white whale all out there? Is this some kind of weird social experiment, or does this have anything to do with football and sports? Does Bill Belichick give one about whether or not North Carolina wins or loses? Does Bill Belichick in any way, or is he just keeping busy while he has time away from his real goal, which is making that Little thing happen.
- [59:32]
B
Hey, it's nice to have an office. It's a little check. It's nice to have a chick, you know what I'm saying? Like if you're, if you're really looking at the stats right now for Bill Belichick, like it's up like Bill Belichick. Yes, he's doing great. He's doing great. Doing all right. So like in that sense I have nothing but respect. And as a very, you know, as someone who's watched a lot of Carolina football, we, we've talked about our favorite programs. Duke, Maryland, now we'll get to Carolina. This is a program that like you would always say to yourself, even if the best coach ever took over this program, we would still be who we are, which is at best an 8 to 9 win football program. Even if Bill Belichick came down here and coached our football team, we would still be Carolina football. So if anything, this has been confirmation bias, you know what I mean? This is like we, we have watched this train go down this track so many times and you're saying to yourself, we have the greatest coach ever and he's still on that train and that train keeps coming and you know what I mean? And hey, hey.
- [60:42]
C
Okay.
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B
And as long as the train is coming, everybody's happy. He's too chilling. Choo choo Justice Shout out. You know what I mean? It's one of our greatest players.
- [60:53]
C
I mean my thing is like do you, you really think y' all gonna get the eight wins, man? Well, I mean, y'.
- [60:59]
B
All. No, no, no, no. Just as a cap, like even when we're like Lawrence Taylor, I mean I guess he won like 11 games but you know what I mean, even when you had Julius Peppers, you're like gonna win eight games.
- [61:08]
A
Look, Willie Parker, like what, what? Carolina eight games. And this Illinois Indiana matchups looks like, looks like it's going to be a great matchup right now. I got a good multi view going on right here.
- [61:20]
B
Yeah, the multi view is so good.
- [61:22]
A
Shout out what Carolina's gonna have to do at some point. I mean what, what have they G. So they've gone Butch Davis, Mack Brown.
- [61:31]
B
Fedora, Larry Fedora, Everett Withers, Larry Fedora.
- [61:38]
A
But what they're, what they are going to have to go and get an actual young genius coach. They're gonna have to make a risky hire or believe in someone and, and actually, actually hire a program builder. You can't micro.
- [61:52]
B
Campbell was the guy, right? So like they, they were all pushing for Matt Campbell and.
- [61:56]
A
Right.
- [61:57]
B
Belichick AKA Michael Lombardi, calls and says, hey, we're available.
- [62:01]
A
Right?
- [62:02]
B
And the rest is history. But yeah, that's what they were going for, right? That's what, in an idea. That's, that's what they were going for, right.
- [62:10]
A
So you can't microwave it. You don't the microwave. Well, I'm saying the infrastructure isn't there in the microwave. It meaning being bring in big time coaching hire, but not big time coaching hire. It's not like they got Kaylin DeBoer to come there or Dabo Sweeney to come there. They got a big time coaching name and not a big time coach. And I know that sounds weird to say that Bill Belichick is not a big time coach.
- [62:36]
B
It's a different sport too. You know what I mean? College football are different, they're different sports.
- [62:41]
C
Yeah. I don't know if his name, I don't know if his name rings out in college football like it does among the NFL circles. Right? Like, so much of it is about, hey, man, can you appeal to this 17 year old from the suburbs of Atlanta, right? Like, is that, can you, can you get in the house of that guy and convince him to come here? Now, I will say, literally the top recruit in his most recent class is one of those guys, Travis, say, at.
- [63:05]
B
Least the recruiting is, you know, in the right direction.
- [63:08]
C
It's, it's not bad.
- [63:09]
B
There's hope. Yeah.
- [63:10]
C
Yeah. But Burgess also is out for the year with the knee injury, man. So that was just another bit of bad news for Bill. But yeah, I just, I don't, I don't know, man. I, I, I, I, I think everybody kind of knew that there was going to be a, you know, this wasn't going to go very long. He's only 73 years old. I really think, I keep, think I keep saying, I think that this was a play to get Steve that head job. Right?
- [63:34]
B
That's not happening.
- [63:35]
C
I just, you know, because they thought that, oh, you know, I'm gonna go down to North Carolina and I'm use my big football brain and I'm a, I'm a, you know, I'm gonna take over the world. And that's just, you know, that's just not what happened. I mean, I think he overestimated, like, how good do you think you are? Well, I'm sure Bill Belichick thinks he's the greatest ever too. But, you know, you have to have respect for the college game, man. You might get your ass beat by.
- [63:56]
B
Sonny Dykes and also a lot of this culture stuff, like, it works and it sells in the. On the front end. But, like, culture needs players at the end of the day. You know what I mean? You could build this great winning culture and have the right ideas and have the right principles and the right type of people, but if they can't play and make plays, you know, it is what it is. Like, they don't. They don't have the players.
- [64:17]
C
If I came to you right now. If I came to you right now and said you could have Fran Brown, would you take him?
- [64:23]
B
I take Dabo Sweeney.
- [64:25]
C
You take Devil Sweeney over friend after.
- [64:29]
B
Today, that would be a tough thing to say. But, I mean, I'm just like, I wish they maybe waited a year. And when Dabo's, like, trying to get fired, you know, you go give him 10 million a year.
- [64:38]
A
Dabble's not coming to UNC.
- [64:40]
B
But he said Carolina's in Chapel Hill, man.
- [64:43]
C
You know?
- [64:44]
A
Yeah, Dabble's not coming to unc, but it's, you know, it.
- [64:48]
B
Hey, they told me Bill Belichick wasn't coming to UNC once.
- [64:52]
A
Fair enough. But I'll tell you this, though. I'm surprised at how quickly the infatuation with Bill Belichick at UNC has disintegrated over. We. We talked about before the season at great length when we were putting this show together, about how covering Deion and Bill Belichick was going to be a big part of what we did on Ring or Tailgate.
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B
Right.
- [65:17]
A
If I'm being honest with you, it's a flop. It's not. It's not. But with either guy right now, and, you know, Dion has an actual, real solidified football program. They're going through some transitions right now, but they've been able to build a culture and identity there to a degree, for. In the. In. In his three years that he's been there. But, like, we're not seeing the litany of Dion highlights. We're not seeing the Colorado still rating well when they're on television, but we're not seeing a whole bunch of Belichick highlights. It's like when people watched the TCU game and they saw that the. The football was actually kind of a fraud. They changed the station on Bill Belichick a little bit. Like, and I'm not saying. And that might be good for Carolina. It might be good that they get the opportunity to figure out their program and figure out what they want to do, not under the constant scrutiny of the national media, you know, asking all kinds of questions. This is One of the first Jordan pictures with Bill Belichick that we've seen in a couple of weeks. And you got to wonder if they didn't do this on purpose to get people talking again. Pablo on it.
- [66:19]
B
What did Dancing with the Stars know? Right? Dancing with the Stars pulls the contract from Jordan. Did they go to practice? Did they see this team? And they're like, she's going to be irrelevant by week four. Yeah. They got no DBs. You know what I mean? Like, they. They must have known something. So shout out to. Let's investigate that.
- [66:37]
C
The.
- [66:37]
B
The producers that know Ball and Dancing with the Stars that were like, yeah, Belichick does not have a team. It will be irrelevant.
- [66:44]
C
34, 90. U.S. uCF, man, 30. They lost. They lost about four scores to UCF, man.
- [66:49]
B
UCF was talking that talk, too.
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C
Yeah, man.
- [66:52]
A
I mean, UCF knew. Look, she probably told them I can dance, but I also have a football team to coach. So just to let you guys know, I have a program to run so I can come out here and dance. But they're going to be sometimes where I'm gonna have to look at some schematics. I'm gonna have to deal with. With some nil stuff. I'm gonna have to deal with, you know, some administrative stuff. I have a program to run, so don't think that I can be here doing the cha cha and the walls this whole time. I have decisions to make. A very important person in the state of North Carolina.
- [67:19]
B
She's gonna be like the Colts owner, right? With the headset on, listening to all the communications.
- [67:23]
A
That's my favorite in the world.
- [67:25]
B
Yeah.
- [67:25]
A
What are y' all doing?
- [67:26]
B
She's badass.
- [67:27]
A
Yeah.
- [67:27]
C
She want to shit. Yeah.
- [67:29]
A
I'm telling you guys right now, everybody's pissed off. It's not even gonna be three years. That is going to be. Kate's up. Kate Hudson is Margot Robbie. Is Girl Boss movie about that lady. What's her name?
- [67:44]
B
It's the daughter.
- [67:47]
A
The name of the movie. The name of the movie is going to be Ms. Ursay. It's right. It's right there. The Ms. Ursa.
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B
Hey, how about this?
- [67:56]
A
Her say her say whatever you want to call. It's her. Say that they making that movie because her. Her pops passed away, right? And she got the team. Yeah, Right. So that. And is she on there with the thing telling these what to do? They making that movie, man.
- [68:14]
B
And when they won that game with the kick with the Broncos, I know we're going off to a different sport in the NFL. But when they won that game with the leverage play with the kick, like she had no one to high five. Like, you know, she was like smiling and celebrating and no one came up in a high five. Someone go give her a high five.
- [68:31]
C
A Jenny bus movie would be really interesting, right?
- [68:34]
B
They just got the show. They just. Yeah, it literally was K. Oh, wait, are you serious?
- [68:41]
A
Yeah, they just did it.
- [68:43]
C
Damn. Okay.
- [68:46]
A
Ball. What the is going on? I apologize for the N word. LSU's receivers right now just playing get. Pick your head up and run back to the huddle.
- [68:57]
B
That's kind of how you know that we're trending towards the end of a stream. It's like LSU starts the game and we lose van. We get half a van.
- [69:05]
C
What happened in Indiana and Illinois? They blocked. They. Indiana blocked a punt and scored. Man on Illinois here.
- [69:11]
A
Lot of games happening right now, guys. DJ Lagway looks terrible to start this game. I don't know what's going on. Say something. I gotta say something about this. The.
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B
I like. That's our default. They're hurt.
- [69:27]
A
You know, the Florida fan base has given up on DJ Lagway. I'm watching these shows. They. I was watching the Florida post game show, pre game show, watching about the game. Really good stuff. I would like to shout out some of these shows. I'd like to shout out high top sports. I think that they do a great job. A lot of these people that I watch, man, I watch a lot of these different shows. So it wasn't a hot top sports. It was a different show. Okay, But I want to shout out high top sports. I like the guy that does high top sports. He's got a great production value and the whole night, I like it. But they were asking, first of all, they want the backup, which is phenomenal that we're there already. Right? And they. They asked, well, do you care whether. Whether or not firing. Firing Napier. Following firing Napier. Do you care if that costs you DJ Lagway? They laughed. They were like, hell no, we don't care. Get him out. Like if. If he won't stay. Now, last year, this was polar opposite. This was. There's no way we could fire Napier because we're gonna lose DJ Lagway now. It feels like they've seen enough to where it doesn't bother them the thought, the prospect of losing Billy Napier and DJ Lagway in one fell swoop. They don't care anymore. It was super duper interesting to see.
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B
The fan base, but they're keeping it consistent because what did they love last year, Van the backup quarterback. Yeah, Lagway was the backup. I mean, Hertz was the starter. This is their thing. They love you. Backup.
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C
If you were rolling out Graham Merce and trying to convince people that that was going to work, I kind of understand why you were already looking towards the sideline for. For DJ Lagway. Hey, dj, man, if they don't want you there in Florida, TCU is going to have a opening next year, man.
- [71:16]
B
Joshua Belichick.
- [71:19]
C
You want to come back to Texas? You can come back to Texas. Texas, you know, we'll take care of you up there, but. Yeah, man, I.
- [71:24]
A
It.
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C
But Van is right. I. The whole. The whole thing behind the Billy Napier thing was like, man, we can't get rid of Billy Napier because he's gonna. If he leaves, DJ Lagway is definitely gonna leave. But, yeah, it looks like that hasn't worked out. This is really. It's just really interesting, too, because the Billy Napier thing really kind of got started with. You remember Jaden Rashada?
- [71:44]
A
I do.
- [71:45]
C
Jaden Rashada, who got. Man, I'm not even trying to. To cap on the kid because, you know, he's a kid, and I. I want him to do well, but he got benched in Sacramento State recently, so. So I was just like, man, it just seems like Billy Napier, he's hinged so much of his. His tenure there on these quarterbacks, and they just haven't worked out for him, man, because, I mean, Florida's got a defense. They've got talent around there, but he's not figured out the quarterback thing, which is the surprise here, because they've invested so many resources into that. That position.
- [72:17]
A
And they also have a. Some good backs, decent running back. I mean, it's. It's. They have a running game they can lean on. They just need more for Lagway. There's all kinds of things that people are saying. They're saying that Lagway over eight, that he's too heavy, that he's injured, that he's rusty, that. I even saw something that said Lagway was partying with the softball team too much. I tried to do more on that, couldn't find it.
- [72:39]
B
His girlfriend's on the softball team. Oh, so his girlfriend's.
- [72:42]
A
Oh, so that's the thing. So his girlfriend's on the softball team. So I was on the message board doing my recon, and I saw. And not to be blowing up his.
- [72:49]
B
Spot, but, yeah, that's the connection. Yeah.
- [72:51]
A
They made it seem like DJ was spending too much Time with the softball team.
- [72:56]
B
Man, that's actually hilarious. Like, accusation. Like, he's, he's hanging out with the softball team too much.
- [73:01]
A
These message boards are so funny. Can you imagine somebody seeing DJ Lagway at a party with the softball team? Do you know your playbook?
- [73:10]
C
Yeah. I don't mean you can have your ass looking at some film.
- [73:14]
B
What's your body fat?
- [73:15]
A
Put down that white claw. What's your body fat right now, dj. But they are not happy. Not happy right now. And so they got a ways to go as LSU struggles to run the ball against Southeastern School in Hammond. They, they, they have a ways to go before they're happy with their situation.
- [73:33]
C
Look, man, Arizona State thought they were happy to get rid of Jay Daniels, man. They all gathered around his locker and took his stuff, and they were, you know, clowning them and everything else. Sometimes you just got to go to another place and, you know, get. You get your groove back. So, yeah, I mean, I, I, I, If I had, if you all had to guess, but this time next year, DJ Lagway is not at Florida. Right. Like, that's, I would, I'd put the fandom.
- [73:56]
A
A lot of season left on that. There's a lot of season left.
- [73:59]
C
A lot. A lot of season left. They're gonna get their ass beat in a lot of that season. There's, I mean, they're not. I mean, again, for their next five games against teams in the top 10.
- [74:08]
A
Yeah, yeah. It's a lot, A lot of season left. I guess this is the question I would ask you. Let's say that Florida loses all of those games.
- [74:16]
C
Yeah.
- [74:16]
A
But the light comes on for DJ Lagway, and you see the promise and the talent out of DJ Lagway that people expected to see. He plays really well, but they just can't beat some of these teams. They don't have enough talent. What do you do if you're Florida?
- [74:32]
C
Then I'd pay to keep. I wouldn't let DJ Lagway go. I would, I would not. I would get rid of Napier because I'd be like, all right, man, you've had enough. We've tried. We've tried this. That's. This is enough. You clearly are not the guy. I wouldn't let DJ Lagway go because I just, I still think that there's talent there. We've seen enough. Like, yeah, and it could just be he's not surrounded. Maybe the, you know, Napier is trying to meddle with the offense, whatever. Like, maybe he just needs a, A new Voice in his ear and some more talent like him spend some more money to. To put. To surround him. But, yeah, I wouldn't let DJ Lagway go for nothing. I don't even. I don't even know. I mean, maybe Bryce, maybe jks at Cal, but I don't even know who else I would want over him right now, like, if I had to. You're going into next year and this class goes on. I don't. I wouldn't take nobody over. I wouldn't take nobody over.
- [75:24]
A
Even still. Even still. You believe that much in his. In his skill set?
- [75:27]
C
Yeah, I just think something. I just think that something is off. I just, you know, I just. Sometimes people.
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B
We know what's off. He's with the softball team. We just figured it out.
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C
I mean, I think boy been rounding too many bases, man.
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B
The good news is. Good news for all the teams in the portal where his girlfriend doesn't play softball. They can be like, look, we get rid of this distraction. We get him up here, he plays for us, comes to, you know, tcu. Whatever it is, you know, it all works itself out. Last thing before we get out of here. I wanted to bring this up. Wanted to bring up some of the Friday games that happen on the stream, you know, because sometimes they get lost in the shuffle. In case you missed it, Tulsa, they beat Mike Gundy, and Oklahoma State had to pay Tulsa $300,000 for that to happen. So this was not a good day for Gundy. Not a good day for Oklahoma State. Gundy obviously had his spat earlier in the year with Lanning, so not a good year for Van Gundy right now. He went from Justin Bieber, having him as a ringtone, to now. We don't know what the future looks like, Joel. You look, you know, like you're hurting for him. What are your thoughts? This is the beginning of the end of Van Gundy.
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C
Oh, hell, yeah. I mean, they don't even need to wait on that press release. They should. They should have had that out by today, man. And the thing is, it's sad when this happens. Mike Gundy is probably. I mean, he's not a better coach than Jimmy Johnson, but he's the best coach Oklahoma State has ever had, you know? And that is the best. That Oklahoma State. That is a very difficult job. I don't know if y' all ever been to Stillwater, Oklahoma. I have.
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B
I've been to Anadarka, Oklahoma, man. I mean, I've been.
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C
Yeah, well, where is that? Damn.
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B
There you go, Anna. Darker, Oklahoma Anadarko, Oklahoma. They were rocking Sam Bradford jerseys and Malcolm Kelly. I was like, man, this is a cool, A cool little man. They love Oklahoma football. Shout out to Anadarko.
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A
What's the name of it?
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B
Anadarko.
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C
What is it?
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B
Anadarko. I'll pull up some stuff on and I'll share with you guys.
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C
All right. Well, anyway, yeah, so, I mean, in a dark Oklahoma. I'm looking it up while I'm saying this, but yeah, man, I, I just. Eventually you run out of juice and remember we said he sounded broke earlier this year, like he doesn't want to adjust to the reality of the game.
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B
What's his buyout? He won't be broke.
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C
I don't. Yeah, I mean, that'll be interesting. I actually don't know the bow for myself.
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B
Honestly. Joel, if you knew Mike Gundy's buyout off the top of your head, that would actually be one of the sickest and twisted things.
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C
No, I, I did not. It's one of the things I was, I should have been looking for, now that you mentioned it. But yeah, no, I mean, I just. What is again? They'll get rid of Mike. I think it's over for him up there like that. You can't, you can't lose to Tulsa, man. I mean, like, Tulsa, the smallest FBS program in the country. The smallest. Yeah, that's right. I think it's the smallest. It's the smallest university. That's right. Yeah. And I mean, they, they're. I mean, they're, they're. Their median season is bad and you lost to them at home. It's just like, it just can't go on like this. Like, I mean, you're. We're in a new paradigm.
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B
There were 13 point underdogs. Again, Vegas, I mean, did not expect to see.
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C
That's not enough. If you're Oklahoma State. 13 points is not enough. And we're in a new paradigm now, man. Like, things are changing in the next few years and if you're not where you need to be, you're going to get left behind. We, we're getting hearing this from Kyle right here, our producer. Fifteen million dollar buyout if fired before 2027. I don't, I don't know if Oklahoma State has that much fun.
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A
So, So a couple things about Mike Gundy. Number one, I would, I would expect that he sees the writing on the wall. A lot of people up there in Stillwater see the writing on the wall. It still is a decision that you might see some hand wringing With. Because the coach has been there forever and, you know, it's. Les Miles was there for him and before. It is a place where they might not expect to dominate, but they expect to go out on Saturday and be entertained. They've had a lot of great players come through there. They've had a lot of great times, a lot of great wins. Even the. Even the Mike Gundy era that we're talking about right now.
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C
Brandon Whedon, man, Brandon like Josh Fields.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. Even the Justin Blackman should.
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B
Should have been the first.
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A
The. The Mike Gundy era that we're talking about right now. It. Four years ago, one yard away from the College Football Playoff.
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C
Right.
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A
So the fall from grace has been very, very fast. For them to get to this point, I think if. If they were mediocre, that would be one thing, but for them to get to this point, it's probably very difficult, and a lot of difficult decisions have to be made there. But it won't be an easy decision to get rid of my Gundy. It won't.
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B
It's hard to fire a legend. Like, usually, yeah, you try to give them their. Their time, like, you give them their chance to say goodbye or whatever, but also you're like, all right, you gotta leave. How do we want to do this? It's tough.
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C
And there's no guarantee that you're going to get anybody. That's. I mean, that is gonna. Not a great job. Like, you don't. You're not like a lot of proximity to talent. You're not in a league.
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B
I mean, it's no Maryland.
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C
Five stars are going to be. There's definitely no Maryland, you know, definitely not. Better not a dmv. We got all this talent out here, so. Yeah, man.
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B
Disgusted.
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C
Yeah, it's. It's. It's. Again, kind of lost the show, bro. Come to Maryland. Let's go to Terps game. Come to Maryland. Come to Maryland.
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B
Mike Gundy's opening football.
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C
John Hill, Dominique be down to show us around. I know he would, so I love it. Come on.
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B
We're in. We're in, we're in.
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A
Oh, before we go.
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C
Before we go, please.
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A
You know, for all the conversation that we've had about DJ Lagway, I am flipping around looking at different games. South Carolina's at Missouri tonight.
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C
Yeah. Columbia. Columbia.
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A
This is a pretty important showing for one Lenora Sellers, who.
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B
Coming off a concussion, right?
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A
Coming off a concussion. But more than that, not more than that. His health is the. The most important thing.
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C
You said it. I'm just Being for real. They said, too.
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A
There are NFL scouts everywhere that look at Lenora Sellers as their golden goose. That's the guy. That's the guy that has the ridiculously strong arm, the legs, all of that stuff. That's their Josh Allen. And up to this point you haven't really seen it. And you're wondering when the light's going to come on for him and when he's going to start living up to some of the promise that people expected for him. And you know, it would be great if it started tonight for him.
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B
I like that call. I was going to ask you like a parting shot on the way out. Like if you want to call a shot.
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C
You know football, South Carolina football too. I mean, is that that much better than Maryland?
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A
I mean, they got Lenora Sellers. They got. They got Lenore Sellers. Shout out to Maryland, though. I'm not trying to hate, man. Shout out to Maryland. Shout out to Juan Dixon. Shout out to Steve Blake. We talked about him, man. Shout out to. Shout out to Maryland. I'm not trying to hate him.
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C
Gary Williams, Lonnie Baxter, Terrence Moore, Lonnie Back.
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A
Chris Wilcox, man.
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C
That's right.
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A
You know, Shout out to all of the Maryland Terps out there, man. You know, Stone diamond. What was his name? Diamond Stone.
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B
But Stone diamond might have been a better player. Player. Honestly, that's a better player name. Stone Diamond. That's solid.
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A
You know, it was one of the best players, huh? Skin Diamond. Okay.
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C
I don't know who that is.
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A
That was one of the best. I promised my family I wouldn't do it again. I apologize. I'm not bringing.
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C
Yeah, I don't know who that is.
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A
Yeah, I don't know who that is.
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B
Just trying to get Joel in trouble on the way out. Rigor tailgate. We appreciate everybody tuning in. We will be back on Wednesday. We'll have more of the, you know, hard pressing topics that we're gonna hit. But we appreciate everybody hanging out with us, watching the games. Everybody enjoy the last, you know, slate of games, obviously some big ones. And go hang out with Todd McShay and Mitch as they break down what's happening late night here on our Ringer YouTube channels. And Van has pulled the bat out so he's going after everybody. Joel, Van. Uh, we appreciate everybody tuning in and uh, we'll see you guys on Wednesday. 21 or older in president select states for Kansas and affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 and older and present in D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800- Gamble or visit FanDuel.com RG call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gamblinghelplinema.org or call 800-327-5050 for 24. 7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-87-7-8, Hope NY or text Hope NY in New York.