CFB Week 5 LIVE Reactions: LSU Loses, Notre Dame Dominates, and More! | Ringer Tailgate

Summary

Ringer Tailgate: CFB Week 5 LIVE Reactions

Episode Date: September 28, 2025
Hosts: Van Lathan, Joel Anderson, Tate Frazier

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Overview

The “Ringer Tailgate” crew—Van Lathan, Joel Anderson, and Tate Frazier—gathered live as monumental upsets and brutal losses reshaped the landscape of Week 5 in college football. With the LSU defeat, Notre Dame’s dominance, and unpredictable results across the Power Five, this episode is charged with passionate rants, sharp analysis, trademark banter, and an undercurrent of controlled chaos. The crew dissects key storylines, calls out coaching decisions, and questions the relevance of former powerhouse wins in today’s wild, parity-driven season.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. LSU’s Loss to Ole Miss: Emotions & Explanations

• Van Lathan’s Frustration: Van, a die-hard LSU fan, opens in “hell” over LSU’s regression. The inability to move the ball and poor quarterback play lead to a passionate and critical account of where LSU stands.
  • Quote:
    “LSU football is back to the days of not being able to throw the forward pass. And it is not a fun Saturday for anyone that loves Baton Rouge.” — Van, [00:33]
• Nussmeier’s Struggles: Garrett Nussmeier’s regression or possible injury called out: “He doesn’t have any velocity on his throws … The D ball is underthrown at all times. He doesn’t seem to be very confident right now.” — Van, [04:30]
• Coaching Critique: Brian Kelly’s demeanor and decisions come under fire.
  • Quote:
    “Men win national championships at LSU. Men! Coaches who are able to get the best out of their team by having them play vicious, focused, and relentless football. That is the LSU way … Not getting pushed around—I'm not blaming the kids, I'm blaming the mentality.” — Van, [08:17]
• Flawed Mentality & ID Loss: LSU’s famous running game is gone; the lack of physicality and O-line confusion infuriate Van.
• Future Prognosis: Van is pessimistic about LSU’s schedule:
  • “There are more games to be played… but the team is so flawed you can’t see them getting right.” — Van, [07:44]

2. Ole Miss’s Statement & Lane Kiffin’s Redemption

• Kiffin’s Strategy: Hosts note that Lane Kiffin anticipated LSU was “gettable,” took a confident approach, and the Kiffin “E60 special” set the tone.
  • Quote:
    “This is Ole Miss’s entire identity—picking off teams like this, getting the win.” — Van, [06:02]
• QB Trinidad Chambliss’s Rise: Division II transfer Chambliss praised for his poise and adaptability: “They brought some plays that they ran for him at his former school…ways to use him. That’s coaching.” — Van, [36:00]

3. Re-evaluating Significance of Clemson Wins

• Clemson Fatigue: Joel calls for the end of inflating programs after beating Clemson, as Syracuse and others have shown:
  • Quote:
    “We can just all agree as a college football community that beating Clemson doesn’t mean [anything] anymore.” — Joel, [12:29]
• Parity over Transitive Logic: Van points out, “If we’re thinking transitively, I don’t think that works anymore…these rosters are so weirdly constructed.”

4. Parity in the ACC: FSU, Virginia, Miami

• FSU Escapes but Looks Vulnerable: Instant classic FSU vs. Virginia; FSU can't impose its will, exposed by improved Virginia and schemes.
  • Quote:
    “If I was a Florida State fan, I’d be concerned that they really couldn’t dominate them…they could not impose their will.” — Van, [19:53]
• Miami Emerging?: Miami labeled the “best team in the league, but… who knows?”
• Conference Realignment Quirk: Virginia’s loss to NC State (non-conference) leaves them alive in ACC race; shows the chaos of realignment.

5. One-Loss Teams: Most Dangerous Contenders

• Texas or Notre Dame (or Neither)?
  • Joel sees Texas as the best-positioned one-loss team; Van fiercely touts Notre Dame’s “sheer talent,” despite two losses:
    “The most dangerous one-loss team in the country has two losses—Notre Dame. … If they play correctly, they can be dynamic, change-makers on the field.” — Van, [27:19]
• Classic in-the-moment debate as hosts hold each other to previous opinions and joke about “everyone being on the take.”

6. Quarterback Play & Defensive Dominance

• Defenses Take Over: Joel and Van note the unexpected resurgence of defense; QB play lacks obvious dominance (“Mendoza is the barometer now…”).
  • “Defenses are still ahead of these quarterbacks…just look at the scores across the board.” — Van, [43:38]
• QBs in Crisis: Castellanos, Mendoza, Pavia, and Aguiar discussed as situationally trustworthy—none are transcendent stars.

7. Coaching and NIL Era: Hiring Philosophies Examined

• A&M and Elko’s Seriousness Pay Off: A&M’s seriousness and identity shift under Mike Elko praised, while Jimbo Fisher and Brian Kelly-type hires critiqued for mismatched visions:
  • “You have to hire coaches who have a vision for your program…not just splashy hires.” — Van, [76:52]

8. Lighter Moments & Notable Outtakes

• Legendary Ball Boy: Louisville ball boy who snagged his own team’s intercepted ball from a Pitt player is called “the man”:
  • “He saw the opportunity to be a legend and he took it. Shout out to him!” — Van, [69:45]
• Running Jokes: Us Weekly debate, “payola” jokes, Ball Boy lore, Red Lightning references, and banter about “booster” culture keep mood irreverent.
• Whiteout Satire: Penn State’s “whites only” fake graphic sparks a race and sports culture riff among hosts, highlighting their rapport and willingness to satirize the sport’s traditions.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On LSU’s Identity Loss:
  “Men win national championships at LSU. Not just coaches. … Not tipping around, getting blowed off the goddamn line.” — Van, [08:17]
• On Clemson no longer being a ‘quality win’:
  “We can just all agree as a college football community that beating Clemson doesn’t mean [anything] anymore.” — Joel, [12:29]
• On Notre Dame’s Dangerous Potential:
  “The most dangerous one-loss team in the country has two losses—Notre Dame.” — Van, [27:23]
• On Defensive Resurgence:
  “Defenses are still ahead of these quarterbacks. … There’s not one guy I’m comfortable with [in college football].” — Van, [43:38]
• On Coaching Hires in the NIL Era:
  “It’s not just can he coach ball, but can he take your specific program from where it was to elite?” — Van, [76:52]
• Legend Ball Boy:
  “He saw the opportunity to be a legend, and they take it. Shout out to him!” — Van, [69:45]

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Important Timestamps

• [00:33] Van’s “in hell” opener, LSU letdown
• [03:50] Nussmeier and LSU’s offensive woes
• [06:45] Van on how LSU’s “myths” have been dispelled; Brian Kelly’s media relations
• [12:29] Joel calls out “Clemson win” as irrelevant
• [19:53] FSU-Virginia analysis, ACC parity
• [27:19] Debate: Most dangerous one-loss team (Notre Dame vs Texas)
• [36:00] Praise for Trinidad Chambliss and Kiffin’s staff for talent maximization
• [43:38] Defenses ruling the day, QB struggles
• [62:49] Joel on the “cost” of conference realignment and cross-country scheduling
• [69:45] Louisville ball boy’s legendary moment
• [76:52] A&M, Elko, and the need for program-specific coaching hires

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Final Thoughts and Closing Banter

• Van, solemn but hopeful, calls on LSU fans to “keep your voices loud” and push for higher standards from the coaching staff, while acknowledging this is just the first loss.
• Joel teases the Arkansas coaching job as the next domino to fall: “Who’s going to take that Arkansas job?”
• Lighthearted jabs persist regarding message board meltdowns, NIL booster drama, and “payola” accusations among the hosts.
• The crew wraps up by reaffirming their love for the chaos and quirks of college football:
  “What a lovely, lovely sport we’re a part of." — Van, [80:14]

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Summary

This episode captures the beautiful mess of college football’s 2025 season—lofty expectations dashed, defensive slugfests prevailing, coaching intrigue in the NIL era, and the ongoing reevaluation of what constitutes a “good win” in modern parity. The Ringer Tailgate squad brings their trademark blend of wit, strong opinions, and camaraderie, making this a must-listen (or read!) for fans trying to make sense of the most unpredictable season in years.

Transcript

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Foreign.

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Welcome back to Ringer Tailgate. We are live. It's Saturday. We've had some epic games this morning. Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, Illinois, usc. Obviously, Notre Dame sent a major message, but again, we got a lot of big reactions, a lot of big questions, and two big games are going to start about halfway through through this broadcast. First and foremost, though, let's say what's up to our guys. Van Lathan with the baseball bat. How you doing, Van with the bucket as well.

[A]

I'm in hell, guys. LSU football is back to the days of not being able to throw the Ford pass. And it is not a fun Saturday for anyone that loves Baton Rouge.

[B]

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[C]

Man, good to see you guys, man. You know, I had to go through this last night, you know, with TCU coughing up a 17 lead and losing. I mean, just, you know, man, football is painful, man. I mean, it's painful literally and figuratively. But if you. Anything you care about, anything you love, it will, you will see it crumble before you, you know, I mean, you're going to get hurt if you like, if you love the sport enough. Wow.

[B]

Even if I have a bye week this week, North Carolina, no game.

[C]

But, you know, but, you know, it's bleak. What are you looking forward. You have nothing to look forward to this year. Take this.

[B]

I'm just reading through my Us Weekly magazine about Jordan Hudson and Bill Belichick and their love story. You know, these are the things that can keep you, you know, sort of up to speed on what's happening in the world of Carolina football. I also will say that the bye week is perfect because it's a buy from the disdain that you have on a Saturday. You know what I mean? It's like it gives yourself a break. You can say bye bye to that for at least one week. But again, it will return. Van let's talk about this LSU game. It is happening right now. Are you shocked? We talked about sort of the gamesmanship going into this. Who was Landrew Kiffin playing or was she getting played? It seems like the Kiffin family may have been up to something based on what we've seen so far.

[A]

I just love the fact that you said Us Weekly. Tate's a real man.

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[A]

Know the name of the.

[B]

Is it Us Weekly?

[A]

It's Us Weekly. Yeah, I know that from all of my TMZ gossip days, but you didn't even know Us Weekly. I don't know no Us Weekly.

[B]

I know it at Food Line. Like, when you check out a food.

[C]

Line, it's really Us Weekly.

[B]

It's like Us Weekly.

[A]

Yeah, it's Us Weekly. That's US Week.

[C]

That makes sense, I guess.

[B]

I mean, I'm thinking it was like. I thought it was more like national.

[C]

I didn't know.

[B]

I really like the us, you know? You're saying it's like us. Like it's. It's us. It's Us.

[C]

It's Us.

[A]

It's Us Weekly. It's Us Weekly. Yeah. That's the name of the magazine. So, so many problems with LSU right now. It. It's actually pretty fortunate for the team that Chamblas and Ole Miss didn't just run away with it and score on every drive that the defense settled in in a little second half because it looked like the game was getting away from the defense a little bit at the end of the first half because they were on the field so much. Cannot generate any type of push with the offensive line. Cannot run the ball. No. Kaden Durham can't run the ball. But the most, by far, by far the most unsettling thing Is Garrett Nussmire. Garrett Nussmire seems that. It seems that he's either regressing or he's more significantly injured than the coaching staff let on. They said he had a torso thing. He doesn't have any velocity on his throws. The D ball is under thrown at all times. He doesn't seem to be very confident right now. It just does. It's not a good day for Garrett.

[B]

Yeah. And he's throwing some hospital balls, and everything seems to be kind of leaking on him a little bit high, which is not good as well. We had a lot of Lane Kiffin coverage going into this week. We get the Lane KIFFIN Kind of E60 special, where we kind of dive in, I think was Ryan McGee that did the reporting on this sort of his time at Tennessee, what happened at usc, how he ended up at Ole Miss, how he's a happy family man these days. So for Lane Kiffin to do all that coverage, Joel, you kind of, you know, speaking to the media aspect of this, does it feel like he knew that maybe this game could lean in their favor a little bit?

[C]

Yeah. I mean, I think anybody that has watched LSU play over the last couple weeks, nobody looked at them and said, oh, that is an unbeatable team. They seem getable. Right. They've been struggling with. On offense against even Louisiana Tech. And, you know, they didn't. I mean, maybe the, you know, I guess southeast Louisiana, they look decent, but, I mean, you're supposed to look decent against them, but they've been struggling all year. And I'm. I'm guessing Lynn Kin is like, I, you know, I've got. I. I think we have enough athletes to. To frustrate lsu. They're going to be on the road for this game. It's not like, you know. You know, it seems like, you know, they got a pretty good crowd there today. And I mean, not that lsu, pretty good crowd.

[A]

They fucking going crazy.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

The Grove is crazy right now.

[A]

This is.

[C]

But does that lets you worry about. I mean, they went into death, Val.

[A]

This is Ole Miss's entire identity.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Is picking off teams like this getting the win. That's why last year's victory, which essentially became the victory that kept Ole Miss out of the playoffs. A really weird game that LSU pulled out at the end. It burned them so much. We went in thinking all of this stuff about the team that you couldn't score on this. You couldn't throw it on us. You could. They've dispelled every single myth, every myth, every Myth that the national media thought about lsu, every myth that we were told by the coaching staff, Brian Kelly had the gall.

[C]

Oh, man, look at him.

[B]

He's got the sunglasses.

[A]

Ask him about the offense.

[C]

Yeah, man.

[A]

Snapped at a reporter that asked him about the offense. He had to gall to snap at a reporter. And then we get to Ole Miss, who has a notoriously terrible run defense, and we can't do anything. Maybe if you'd have fixed it instead of getting on your high horse, we wouldn't be down. What is it, 11 right now in new. I'm pissed, guys, man.

[C]

But see, Van. So let me ask you this. So is he back? Or do the same old doubts about Brian Kelly come up then? Because, you know, it. It seemed like the Clemson win brought him a reprieve, right? And it's like, oh, man, LSU might be the best team in the country. That's the most impressive win of the season. Blah, blah, blah. And, you know, Garrett Nussmeier maybe the best quarterback in the country. So is. Is it all erased if they lose on the road at Ole Miss today?

[A]

No, but let me. Let me say something.

[B]

I like that way to be sensible. That's smart.

[A]

It's not just, you know, the way things go. There are more games to be played. We'll see what happens. When I say that, I mean the chances for the team to go someplace the season's not over with a loss at Ole Miss today. But the team is so flawed that you can't see them getting right and actually making a real push with games. Alabama, Oklahoma, all of those games left to play. What version of the LSU offense would show up and be able to beat any of those teams? I'm. Say something right now. I'm g. Say something right now, though. Say something.

[B]

Say it.

[A]

Brian Kelly got hired at lsu. There was a thought that he was going to get the national championship that he so craved. The thing that he's been chasing as he's been one of the most successful coaches in college football the last 10, 15 years, there's a thought that how could he not get it at lsu? Because they said something. They said coaches win championships at lsu. The last three Saban, Miles, Odron, the last three coaches at LSU won national championships, right? So how could Brian Kelly come to LSU and not win a national championship? Those people were wrong. Men win national championships at lsu. Men, Men. Coaches who are able to get the best out of their team by having them play vicious, focused and relentless football. That is the LSU way. Not tipping around, getting blowed off the goddamn line. Not getting pushed around, all of that stuff. I'm not blaming the kids. I'm blaming the mentality. What I'm saying is we said that it was coaches that go down there and could win. It's men, it's leaders. It's Les Miles could not get the clock figured out, but he could get fourth and two. He could get you. He could have Jacob Hester bowl over someone. We play with snap and aggression. The team is getting pushed around. A three man rush. A three man rush. Noted. Notre Dame it. Last thing I'll say we got. We gotta show we can't do this. We can't. This is bad podcasting. Oh, last thing I'll say Ole Miss didn't have to do anything. Ole Miss saw that they could get pressure and stop the run with three guys on their front. You can't win. There's nothing you can do if you can't run the ball against that. There are too many guys in the. On the backside of the defense when your quarterback is also compromised for you to be able to do anything. You can't do anything. You gotta be able to run the ball. I'm done.

[C]

I mean, can it just be that like the offensive line is banged up and new, like it's young, it's inexperienced. You already got it. You're playing a freshman out there, right tackle, you know, you know your. Your best running back.

[B]

Touchdown lsu, by the way. So you're do. You're doing a good job. Van. This is like the classic reverse jinxing being pulled off in real time. You're saying Brian Kelly might not know ball, but he does know gall. And right now, with five minutes to play, one possession game. That's good.

[C]

Great Harlem Baron.

[A]

Listen, what I'm telling you is this. Get back to what you're saying. The freshman that. That you're talking about is on the offensive line. That's curious. Kern, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

He played a good game. The question is why hasn't he been playing all year? He's actually done better in the game than once again. It's not about getting on the kids, man. There's another guy who have been playing in that tackle spot who have been playing historically bad. Historically bad. And people are asking. It's almost as if the coaches themselves shout out to Carter, the power.

[C]

Power.

[A]

LSU said this. It's almost the coaches themselves don't know which mix of talent they need to put on the field to be able to get things going. That's enough LSU stuff for me. We gotta. We Gotta, we gotta. Tennessee. What about Tennessee? They're about to lose them. They're about.

[C]

Like.

[A]

It's not just us. Tennessee is about to lose too. Second loss. Get them out of here. Go Mississippi State.

[B]

And there you go again. Ole Miss and Mississippi State both 40 right now. So the state of Mississippi 8. No. As far as college football is concerned. So that's encouraging. Two point conversion to. Did fail for LSU fan getting the logo back up behind him. I would like to say that was your one big reaction, Van. So I'll give you a break on going back to you for one big reaction. Unless you have another one in your bag.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

All right.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Scooping score for Tennessee.

[C]

Oh, Mississippi State.

[B]

Man, this is incredible.

[A]

Mississippi State's giving it away.

[B]

It's. This is incredible. This is why it's nice to be live, by the way, because you could affect the outcomes and the legacies and the destinies of people. Joel, one big reaction I'm going to go to you here. What, what do you have that's on the board right now?

[C]

So I'm going to actually build off of Vance thing here and I think.

[B]

I like to build.

[C]

Officially we can just all agree as a college football community that beating Clemson doesn't mean anymore, right? Like we just be like, all right, man, you know, look, Syracuse, man, everybody was ready to make Fran Brown a $10 million a year coach. It was going to be him and Kir Sig Netti and Lane Kiffin.

[A]

Who's.

[C]

Who's going to get the Florida job is Fran Brown might be the one. And I mean admittedly his starting quarterback is out for the year. So he threw another guy there, Ricky Collins. That guy was making his first start today, but 383 to Duke at home, bro. You know what I mean? And so like I, I thought something about Syracuse because they out physical. Clemson, Georgia Tech, they've improved. They probably will be favored in every game they play for the rest of the season except for the finale against Georgia. I don't, I mean I don't. I, I saw them today against Wake Forest and I was like, I don't know about y' all though, man, you know. And Troy went out and got smoked by a good Memphis team the week after scaring Clemson. So I just, I think we all can agree right now that if you happen to be Clemson, it should not affect you in the polls. Not nobody should think more of your, your team and your. Its prospects. It's just you beat Clemson. But I don't want to hear any credit for it or anything like that, we can stop doing that thing officially. And if, if LSU can't close this out, we really know it for real. But I mean, Van. Van probably didn't even need to know that because they look bad enough that it's like, look, here's, here's the deal. It's too good.

[A]

I don't think that. I think it's such a wacky college football season. College football season that the only thing that matters is what we can see on tape about how your team is playing. Does a win over Alabama matter? Theoretically, yeah. That's a team with an incredible blue chip ratio. All kinds of guys, five stars, four stars from everywhere. A coach that the entire national media, the college football coach knows is a great coach. You, you beat that team, then you go on the road and you lose to Virginia. Talking about Florida State here. And that's no slight against Virginia. I'm just saying you wouldn't think. If we're thinking transitively. I don't think that works anymore. I think these rosters are so weirdly constructed to where I don't know that there's a team that has a dominating offensive line, a dominating defensive line and overwhelming talent at the skill position. I don't know. Plus a quarterback. Keep thing going. I don't know that that's the case. I don't. I don't really know that that's the case. Offensive line, defensive line. Yeah, but the quarterback is still somebody that's. That doesn't really have to go out and win games with their arms. Like with his arm. I watched Ohio said today and after a while they did the boa constrictor thing on Washington. But there were times in that game where Washington looked like they were doing just fine. They played really stupid football. So it ended up. But I don't know that you could say that about Ohio State. I don't know who you can say. Maybe we'll know a little bit better after the games.

[C]

Today I feel comfortable with Ohio State. Well, I mean, we can maybe. And maybe Oregon. Right. Like we'll see. But because the thing is, what I learned about Ohio State, and again, we're still learning everything. We're still getting data on all these teams as the season goes on. But Washington was undefeated. That is one of the toughest places to play in the country. I think they had like the third longest home winning streak in the country. Is one of the loudest stadiums in the country. Fans corrected me on the Internet I was talking about and they were like, actually Husky Stadium is the loudest recorded stadium in college football, something like that. So I know it's a tough place to play. They had a great offense. Like Washington came in. I think they were like one of the top three best, most efficient offenses in the country in. Ohio State choked them to death today. So I just felt like. So they've got that and I know that they've got, you know, I mean, if there's a better receiving core in this country, just show them who they are. Julian Saying was one of the most accurate quarterbacks in the country, in spite of the fact that he's, you know, a young kid. So, anyway, I feel pretty good about Ohio State, but the rest of these teams, man, I just don't know. But I, again, I don't think you should get no credit for no Clemson win anymore. You know, like, just, we can move on. We. Like I said, we're still compiling all the information. We still got to figure out who. Who is who. But Clemson, that ain't it no more. It ain't telling me nothing.

[B]

Yeah, Clemson, they're off the board. And if you use Clemson in the argument, we're going to go ahead and shake our head and say, now that does not count. I do want to talk about this game. One big reaction for me. Friday Night Lights, ACC football, fsu, Virginia. It's just an instant classic. And the field rush has obviously been the main storyline. I appreciated Van aggregating the take that. That was the fastest field rush we've ever seen. We pour one out for the receiver that was underneath the melee. As you know, Charlottesville went wild during that game, but Tommy Castellano's had a Heisman moment to get that game into overtime. And it felt like, okay, FSU is going to handle business. They're going to be able to kind of save face here, move on, stay above board and stay in the conversation. But. Right. You don't think so?

[A]

No, no, no. I'm listening to you. I'm just. It just. Mississippi State won't die. Go ahead.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Mississippi State's fighting just like Virginia, though. Virginia would not die in this game. And they get an incredible win laid. You know, there was the. The third and goal catch that was not a catch. We get the ACC communications, which has been awesome to listen into them as they kind of dissect and figure out what is and what is not a catch and all these different things as they reveal. View it. Obviously the play was decided that was incomplete, but Tommy Castellano's was incredible. Virginia was even Better. Did we learn anything about the acc, Joel, when you watched this game or did you kind of say, hey, fsu, they can bounce back? Or does it feel like it's over already?

[C]

No, I mean, I don't. I think the thing is, is we're just trying to figure out who is going to. If. If Miami holds the form and they look like they've looked all year so far. Right.

[B]

The most ACC thing is for FSU to beat Miami.

[C]

Right, right.

[B]

You know, like to just knock everybody out.

[A]

Well, y. I mean, the thing is.

[C]

It is kind of weird because you could see them going into that game. This is not the same old Virginia. Like, Virginia is one of the most improved teams in the country. Right. And you look at the atmosphere at the, at the, at the stadium last night, I'm like, that's a harder place to play than you think. And I mean, Chandler Morris, man, former Frog, former Sooner, former Mean Green, that dude's been around. He's seen a little bit of everything and he's a really good quarterback. The only thing that he been unable to do is stay healthy. And so like now he's staying healthy. He's playing with the guy that was the brains behind Clemson's offense for a number of years. They got the running back, Jamari Taylor, who they got up out of hbcu. Man, I got out of Central, man. That's right. Yeah, man. And so, man, that was a tough spot. So I think the thing that we learned is that the gap between Florida State and the rest of the league is not what we thought. I do think that Miami is like clearly the best team in the league, but between Georgia Tech, Florida State, Virginia. No, maybe not Syracuse anymore. But even you know that, that, that, that crew of folks right there, it's going to be. It's going to be pretty tight for the rest of this year. So, yeah, it just kind of depends who plays each other, who misses each other, who's injured or whatever. But no, man, I think Florida State's still in it. That just was a tough, that was just a tough game. Tough, tough spot for them.

[A]

Yeah, if I was a Florida State fan, I'd be concerned that they really couldn't dominate them in any real. In any area of the field, like with the athletes that are. They're supposed to be at each place. It goes back to what I'm saying. They, Florida State could not impose their will on the game. This happens like we've seen this happen. We see this, this happens in college football. It's just happening More now to where when they had that gotta have it plays Florida State. They weren't always there for them. They just weren't. They were times where they were getting out, schemed, outflanked, pushed around a little bit, physically dominated by Virginia, pushed off the line, set a new line of scrimmage, things like that. So look, I mean, obviously say all this. If the Mazan schemes up a wide open tight end down the street, guy had a great game all game. If he catches the ball, maybe they have a chance, they go into another overtime. But. But yeah, I mean, I don't know what the ACC is either. If Florida State, if we were coming into this this year and Clemson and what smu, who, who was supposed to be the class of the ACC going into this year?

[B]

Those two probably right along with Miami.

[A]

Questions about Miami. Miami looks like a really good football team, but even in the game last week against Florida, if you watch that game, Florida has a great defense. That game was there to be won by Florida at the end of the game. And Florida just has the only team that's worse at offense than lsu, so they couldn't get it done. But I don't know anything about the. I don't know anything about any of these conferences. Who knows? We'll. The Big Ten will figure himself out in a couple hours. We'll see what happens.

[B]

Yeah, one fascinating wrinkle too. Virginia has lost to NC State and you would think to yourself, well, that means they've lost an ACC game, but lest we forget, that was a non conference game. So as far as their ACC championship odds, they're like 47% right now to make it to the ACC championship game. There was some confusion there as to why that was the case. It's because they lost the state and that was a non conference game. So, Joel, the conference realignment rearing its head here.

[C]

Yeah, man, that is kind of weird. Does it make you, Tate, as a UNC fan be like as wide open as this conference is? One thing I know for sure is that Bill Belichick ain't gonna have to do with it.

[B]

One thing I would say is I wish we had the greatest coach ever. You know, I don't think we do. I don't think Bill Walsh is walking through that door. I mean, man, but yeah, not good. Not good. North Carolina, by the way, I mean, they're looking down the barrel of like a two intense season at this point. I mean, if you really look at the schedule, there's not many W's to be found, especially if you. Virginia, maybe I'd rather be chance.

[A]

I'd rather be a team. Because you know what? You guys don't understand. Fuck all this. You like you. You guys don't understand. I'd rather be them. I'd rather be. Have no expectations whatsoever. I'd rather no one care whether or not you had to win. You know, you ever go to a game with parents and they're watching their kids play? There's two types of parents that are watching their kids play at the game. One parent is charting the game, looking at every single thing that their kid does, how he's doing this, is he passing the ball. Hey, hey, Brian, Brian. Okay, if he rolls off of you, you gotta get rid of that. If it comes back to you, make the shot. Remember, we worked on it. Way to go. All right, there are two, and then the other people out there and their kids are terrible, and they're happy when their kid gets in the game. Way to go, Peter. Yeah, they got signs made. Peter got two minutes in this game. That's where I would rather be right now. I would rather be just. I would. No. Hell no. This is too much. This my whole day. Joel. What? You can't talk to me about this.

[C]

Wait, my team has been in the national championship game.

[A]

Have you ever been lsu? You. You don't get it. You can't talk to me about this. I'd rather be position right now.

[C]

Okay, let me also, because I was thinking about this, and I'm not trying to pull this out here, but I think everybody. People that know this, know that was the fastest 10 year old in the country when I was 10. And so I always was on great teams. And I was telling my wife this all the time. I was like, I really don't. If you were really bad at sports, I don't know, like, what would it be we would be in for? You know, like, what would you, like, what gets you excited? Like, what would make you hype to go out there and go one in nine? You know what I mean? Like, I just could. I never had had that experience before, and I'm like, how could that feel better than actually potentially being good at something?

[A]

You want me to. I'm not talking about them. Do you understand what's happening? I'm not talking about them. For them, yeah. For everybody on LSU's team, they like the fact that they kind of raw. For Me, though, I'm 45 years old, Saturday is a very exciting day for me. Podcasting all day long, higher learning. The country is on Fire all of that stuff. And then I get one day to go out and watch.

[B]

Is that a Ryder cup right there?

[A]

Right. I go out and watch the college football game and we're doing the same. I sent these people money for the team. Okay. Like it. We doing the same to me.

[C]

Wait, are you an NIL contributor?

[B]

He's a booster.

[A]

I'm not a booster, but I've, you know, at points. What I'm saying is. You knew this.

[C]

Hold on.

[A]

Oh, Mississippi State has deflecting.

[B]

He's deflecting.

[A]

I'm saying. What I'm saying is I'm pissed, okay? No wonder. You're supposed to be better. I'd rather you money. I'd rather our coach had a badass white girl with him, you know, and that would be the story. They could go 2 and 19. Bill Belichick getting his thing together. I like that shit.

[C]

I'll say. I thought you could talk about Lane. Ah, you know.

[B]

Yeah, there's a lot happening. But I will say, as my dad used to yell at me from the crowd, you know what I mean, during a game, and he's just like yelling your name over and over again. It would be nice to be the kid that's not good and not have the pressure every once in a while. So I'll take that in stride. Van, that is North Carolina football at this moment. One big question. I wanted to ask you this. I saw it on game day and I thought it was a little fascinating. Who's the most dangerous one loss team in the country? We're obviously early on, it's week five, but. Most dangerous one loss team in the country. And is it fsu, Joel, do you think that's the case?

[C]

I don't think it's fsu because, I mean, kind of similar to what Van just said. We just saw them get pushed around by Virginia. Now, it doesn't mean that Florida State isn't good and that it won't get better and that they. They could still, you know, get a playoff spot or something like that. But I think for the most part, I don't. I don't. I don't see that with Florida State. This is it kind of. I think it's really between Tennessee and. I guess it kind of depends on what happens here against Mississippi State. If they can. If they can pull this out Tonight or Texas 27.

[B]

27 right now, by the way, with about 9, 15 to play.

[A]

Yeah, I thought that they had picked that ball off and took it in for a pick six, but they have not they are driving now. Yeah.

[C]

I say Texas. I mean they, they have the most potential to get better. I don't think archers, I don't think.

[A]

Archers go to the same get them. Tate. Wait. What? That's preposterous.

[C]

They're going to get better. I mean, they have the most potential to get better. They have a great defense. I just, you know, I. Presumably somebody will develop alongside Parker Livingstone, you know, and, and so I, Yeah.

[A]

This was the pre season. Number one.

[C]

Y' all are talking. Like I said, Rice.

[B]

They look like Rice.

[A]

The most, the most dangerous one loss team in the country has two losses is Notre Dame. That's the most dangerous. Like the most dangerous.

[C]

They got off on. Because they got off on Arkansas.

[A]

Nah, because of the sheer tal talent that they have. They have difference makers. They have people that if they play correctly, if they play right, can go out there and be dynamic change makers on the field. And they lost that game to Texas A and M. They shouldn't have lost it. That game, looking back on it. Listen to me, seriously. That game, looking back on it, right, is such an indictment against Marcus Freeman. That game is all on Freeman and his staff. They should not have lost that game. However, that is a talented, talented, talented football team. A talented football team with a quarterback that is getting better and actually has an identity that he can lean on as a quarterback. And I think that the most. I think that there are a more dangerous team right now than Texas. To be honest with you, I don't think very much of Texas.

[C]

Admit that. Tell him that. That was a terrible answer, man. First of all, it wasn't a one loss school, it wasn't a one loss team. And there's no. Nobody thinks that Notre Dame is more talented than Texas but you.

[A]

Well, number one, this is what I'll say if, if, if in fact Texas. Now it's so interesting from you. You've claimed on, on this thing that Texas ain't got no receivers. That said you, you've literally lambasted their talent. You've talked about the lack. I'm talking about the skill.

[C]

Yeah. On the outside you've talked about the.

[A]

Lack of explosion and the lack of go get them that Texas has. Now all of a sudden they sent you some Warby Parkers. I see those glasses, they're new. Everybody, this is another thing I gotta say about this podcast. Everybody on this fucking show is on the take.

[C]

You literally are paying lsu. You're sending money to LSU from Baton Rouge, who loves, by the way.

[A]

I've been doing this since I was a kid. Everybody on this show is on the tape. Tate got sent glasses from Dion. He has Bill Belichick almost on a weekly basis. And then Joel all of a sudden had all of these, these criticisms about Texas's talent. But now when he's asked, it's all changed. He's got new glasses. What's going on.

[C]

Again? I think Arch can be better. I don't think. I've never said, oh, now he likes arts. I never said that Arch was as bad as everybody said. I just said, I think that he'll get better. And it's. He's been pretty rough so far. But I think that, like, in terms of talent and upside and working with Sark, I think it'll be okay. Man. Let's sit here and sit. Let's sit in that. That LSU loss for a second, though.

[A]

They lost, yeah. 24:19. Ole Miss has defeated LSU. Let's look at the stat line. Garrett Nussmeier, 21 of 34 for 197 yards, a touchdown and interception. Let's go to the rushing stats. LSU's top rusher is five star freshman Harlan Berry. Seven carries for 22 yards, 3.1 yards of carry. All jokes aside, this is an extremely expensive football team. I'll be honest, an extremely expensive football team. This is unacceptable. It's not unacceptable to go lose. It's not. Is college football. Nobody on nobody is looking dominant enough to run the table and all of that, right? Danny Canal, I saw him with some coke, shout out to him. He's good at two things, trolling and coping. Those are the two things that Danny Canel is good at. Trolling and then coping after the blows up in his face. So I saw Danny Canal out there with some coke. But no, it's funny, is that he knows his college football. He knows his. That's why the trolling agitates people so much. What do you say? He said 9 and 2, 9 and 3 in the playoff era. 10 and 2, 9 and 3 in THE PLAYOFF era is of course, after Florida State's loss. That's going to be the reality that a lot of these teams are looking at. Right? So we get that, we understand that. But you want to see competence and improvement, like from the team on the field. That's why if you blow up at a reporter that asks you why you can't run the ball, it's not just a stupid thing to do and it's a cowardly thing to do. Stand there, answer the fucking question. Like, answer the question. Why can't you run the ball? What is it? Is it strength and conditioning where your guys aren't able to get the push? Are you missing in your talent evaluation as far as why some of these highly touted recruits and transfers are coming in and they still can't block? Is it Brad Davis, the O line coach, who is a fantastic recruiter? But to be honest with you, even Emory Jones last year regressed a little bit. That's a fantastic player. But I'm telling you, what is the thing that's happening where LSU doesn't have the mentality enough, A team that has always run the ball, had fantastic running back rooms, has not run the ball and cannot run the ball, has no identity. Why is that a thing? And what's wrong with your quarterback? What's wrong with your passing game? Just answer the question. But he ran from the question. Because he doesn't have any answers in the press conference. Because he doesn't have any answers on the field. I'm sick of it, man.

[B]

Can we predict the press conference? Like, what is Brian Kelly. Oh, man, after this loss, you know, we've seen him slam the table, we've seen him call out a reporter, then apologize on Monday. Like, this is obviously going to be a loss that's going to be very felt and heated at a certain point. And then after we get the Brian Kelly prediction, I want to do the Lane Kiffin tweet prediction. But let's start with Brian Kelly. What do you think he does, Van?

[A]

I predict that he takes a razor blade and cuts himself like they do in pro wrestling and gets the blood all over his face. And he goes, oh, what happened?

[B]

I wanted to do the LeBron where he just gets up and walks out of the press conference.

[C]

Like that.

[A]

He takes the blood and he goes, this is what we give at lsu. This is what we give. Boom. And then everybody's like, what the hell is wrong with the guy? Whatever he does, it'll be nonsense. Whatever happens, whatever improvement has to happen, I will not be invited down now. Whatever improvement has to happen, it will happen on the field. So I couldn't give a less what he does in the press conference, but it'll be something stupid, man.

[C]

So mad, man.

[B]

Straight from the be.

[C]

Guess what I was gonna say, man, if that's. If. If I was paying for them boys, too, I'd probably give. I'd be just as mad small.

[A]

The tiny I was. Bit of.

[B]

Let's get Van a new sweatshirt of lsu. But the S is the dollar sign. That's what we Need.

[C]

That's pretty cold money. Like the dog. Yeah, Mel, man, I mean, you know, the one thing I was thinking about, too, is, like, in all this money advance, talk about how much money LSU has. And Mississippi last year famously threw a lot of money behind that. That roster. And that's. They're one of the biggest spenders in the portal. And do you know what is really the difference for them right now? The guy they got out of Division 2, Ferris State, Trinidad Chambliss. Man, I was really impressed with him because, I mean, dude, this is a guy who's, like, playing against Waldorf College, Michigan Tech. Like, he's. This is the best level of talent that he's ever seen in his life. Like, today was the day. He had never seen. People fly at him in the way that they flew at him today. And he was all right. He did really good. He was 23 or 39. Three. 14, a touchdown, ran for 71 yards. I mean, again, that's crazy. Like, this is an FCS. He was in Division 2 football, and for him to look that good under these circumstances. And I mean, again, everybody thought it was going to be Austin Simmons this year. That was the type, the hyped recruit every. I saw a lot of, you know, preseason packages on him. He was supposed to be the guy. But right now, man, it doesn't look. I don't think Lane Kiffin could go back to Austin Simmons after this, bro. Like, he's got, like, this is traded that. Yeah, this is true. That Chambers team.

[A]

What Austin Simmons needs to transfer. He's done. It's over.

[C]

Hold on. How old is Trinidad Chambliss, though?

[A]

Whatever Austin Simmons is, it's time for you. You are now the second parent where your people are about to come to the thing and go, yo, Austin's in the game. That's over. That conversation's over. You know what I heard on the broadcast today that got me going? You talk about coaching. So they get the tape of this kid. They like the tape. They like the tape that they see on him. And they go, there's something there. This is coaching. This is talent evaluation and maximizing talent. This is coaching. So they like the tape. They see the tape. They brought him over to Ole Miss, but they didn't just bring him. You know what else? They brought a couple of looks. They brought some plays that they ran for him at his former school with them over. They brought some things to get him comfortable. Yeah, they brought some things to get him in. They brought ways to use him as LSU fans. Right now. This is going to sound so stupid. We do not know what Garrett Nussmeier is. We don't. We don't know what he is. Okay? When Jaden. When Jaden Daniels was there, whenever Jaden would have a bad game, the fan base would beg for Garrett Nussmeier play el Sism. There's a little sism behind that, probably a little sism. But I watched him and I watched Ole Miss. And I watch a team that, if nothing else, they're coached up. They didn't play off the charts. Chambers had a great game. Lacy ran it for about 3.8 yards of carry. Chambliss was. He was probably the most effective runner. Logan Diggs, the LSU transfer, didn't do anything. And they didn't overwhelm us. They just played well enough to beat a team that's not playing well. And sometimes that's the way you got to get your wins.

[C]

Yeah. You know what I mean? The other thing about that, too, is that Ole Miss, sometimes, because of Lane Kiffin, people just think about the offense all the time. And that usually that has been what Ole Miss has been under Lane Kiffin. Like, that is, you know, the premier part, the premier side of the ball. But, man, I mean, people can say that LSU played bad, but also Ole Miss was out there providing resistance. I mean, they're the ones that. I mean, 2 of 11 on third down efficiency for LSU today, man. And again, that's the other thing. It ain't like Ole Miss played a clean game. They lost the turnover battle 2 to 1 and they had 14 penalties in this game, but 3.7 yards of care. So it's not like Ole Miss was like a dominating team. It was just like, yo, like, I mean, between.

[A]

That's my point. Like.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Not to make the whole game about the whole show about this game. I know we have to move on and pissed off, but you'd have to have, if you watch the game, snap and snap out. Like, there's a. There's a play in the game where Chris Hilton, a receiver that everyone that wears purple and gold, wants to see get on track, wants to see have a good game. He's. He's stuck it out. He's done things the right way. He's a speed burner. He is behind the defense. It's a touchdown. It's a touchdown. Like a play. You've won. You've won. Garrett under threw the ball. Chris miss time this jump. Garrett. Something's wrong. Like something's wrong. Something's wrong. Either in their chemistry or the torso injury that they're saying n has is more serious than anyone is saying. So when I'm saying that they play bad, definitely, definitely Ole Miss has to account for that. But I'm looking at even plays where LSU has won the play. They've won the play. They couldn't make the play after they. After they've won it while the ball's in the air. So there's something there. And there's a reason that we're not being communicated to. I'm not saying you put Van Buren in the game, whatever, but LSU is playing bad enough. They've played bad enough to lose every game that they're in to me, besides Southeastern.

[B]

And you got Wit Weeks throwing up on the field, which is now turned into a conspiracy situation. He has a fumble recovery in the end zone after a forced fumble that was right on the goal line. Could have been another touchdown for Ole Miss. Who tweets first? Landry Kiffin or Lane Kiffin?

[A]

Landry, Don't. Don't tweet too much, Landry.

[C]

I feel like.

[A]

Don't tweet too much. Now we, like, you know, we could get this.

[B]

Don't lose your man.

[A]

Yeah, like, you know, but don't, don't, don't. Don't tweet too much. But that. Lane's gonna tweet. Lane. Lane earned it. Lane earned it. Lane earned it. I can't get.

[B]

Yeah, Lane said take the over. I'm not sure if the overhead actually what the under hit. So he was incorrect about taking the over. So that was one good news.

[C]

It is kind of weird. I mean, I'm. Look, I'm just a man like anybody else. And for Lane Kiffin to be tweeting out, I mean, again, he has his family, right? Like, and so, I mean, how many pictures. How many pictures of your daughter you gonna tweet out, bro? What do you. I mean, what do you. That's bait.

[A]

Don't.

[C]

You gonna get somebody fired if you.

[B]

That's why I think she was in on it. I thought this was, like, a mastermind.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean? Like, I think this was a Kiffin family ploy, and it worked to perfection. Like, if anything, we have to tip our cap and be like, this is maybe the most tight knit family we have in this country. They're working overtime.

[C]

Layla's back. Was. Is back in the building, man. I was like, okay, man, Lane's rolling. His things really seem to be working out for him.

[B]

Yeah. Full circle moment.

[A]

What ended up Happening in the Indiana game. The moment that we started glazing Indiana on this show, I look up and they're in a dog fight over on Peacock. Like they're playing over on Peacock.

[C]

So you can't hit Peacock on the multi viewer, clearly, right?

[A]

You can't. Like I didn't, I didn't know where the game was. And it takes like the game's over. What ended up happening in that game, I didn't get a chance to catch the end of it.

[B]

It was basically the classic Iowa game. Kirk Ferencz going into that game is talking about how good they look, how they look like Ohio State and then Indiana just, you know, maybe overlooked Iowa a little bit. And it's not an easy game, you know, at Iowa. Tough atmosphere, you know. And what was the final score?

[C]

20 to 15, man. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[B]

Mendoza was like praying to the sky like when they, when they finally won that game at the end.

[A]

But look, for a team, you know, Indiana didn't look like they look last week, which is interesting because Illinois gets a get right game against Scott, a great game that they were able to win. This is my point. These are my points. Last year it looked, Last year, last week it looked like Indiana was on a different level than Illinois. Like a completely. Just a straight up dismantling of them. They come out and now they look human. And Illinois gets on the right side of the. The win loss record by beating usc, a team that people were starting to think was at least kind of scrappy, right? A little bit lively, whatever.

[C]

Well, I mean, I kind of thought that Indiana holding on to win, this is a testament to how good they are because it's that it was a very cathartic game. Like they were in the national spotlight in a way that they probably hadn't been since the playoff game. And for them to handle business against Illinois in the way that they did really said something. But what also says something is that, man, after that big emotional high, these are still kids. And then you come back and you got to go play an hour. And I heard shout out lavar Arrington, who was on college game day today, and he was like, man, have you ever played in Iowa? That's a tough place to play.

[B]

It is, you know.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. And for them to just go there, you know, that Kirk France is going to make that game ugly and, you know, drag you into the mud. And so for them to pull that out and win that game, that actually says something to me. I'm like, okay, you know, top, top 10 Indiana, let's talk about it, you know.

[B]

Yeah. Joel Anderson drinking the Big Ten Kool Aid right there. VAN we lost the logo.

[C]

I can't. I came back.

[A]

Logo is back. We lost the.

[C]

Everybody. I mean, you know, again. I mean, I'm not allowed. Am I not allowed to like people no more? Now can I not? What's up?

[B]

We're just trying to figure out where all the payola is and if you're getting money from the Big Ten.

[C]

I didn't say LSU was good. You know.

[B]

Big Ten propaganda. You'd be on their side. Biggest thing of the day. Van. Can we. Can we get your biggest thing that it stood out to you outside of lsu.

[A]

Outside of lsu, the biggest, biggest thing of the day to me is the quarterback play. It'd be easy to say that. We keep talking about this. These defenses are still ahead of these quarterbacks. They still are. I'm looking around and there's not like one guy who I'm like, Mendoza is right now, of small sample size, the quarterback that I feel like I'm the most comfortable with. But at this point, for whatever reason.

[B]

I think Shay called it the Mendoza line. He was like, that is sort of the. The barometer of like quarterback. You know, obviously a little double entendre there. But a quarterback play in college football, it's like Mendoza is the line, like if you're there and above, great and. And if you're below, not so great. But there's not many guys that are above him at this point. I mean, not really.

[A]

Right. And he commands his offense. He doesn't make crazy plays. I just saw a lot of guys today that look like they are schematically sort of compromise. They. They panic a little bit. It's just the defenses right now, and we're seeing this in the NFL as well. We're seeing this in the NFL to where the crazy golden age of quarterbacking that was around four or five years ago doesn't exist anymore in the NFL. And I think that's for one reason. I think, you know, the defensive coordinators caught up and they started going more too high, whatever it is you want to talk about. But in college football, I think the fluidity of the rosters, that plays a part in it. But I just, just think that some.

[B]

Of these guys, right, I mean, a lot of these play calls coming in from the sidelines, like I heard Bennett was saying that during. Or I can't remember who was saying that, but they were just talking about. They only have one word for the defensive plays because of the Tempo in a lot of these games, like they just have to throw one word in. That's what they run. So a lot of times, you know, they're just playing, you know, as base as they can. But the Timbo can hurt some of these quarterbacks too. Right Joel?

[C]

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I'll just go say my again once again. I'll feed off of Van here. My point, my reaction to this was going to be, man, the defense is really like, I mean again, a decade ago everybody was talking about, man, offense, nobody could stop anybody anymore. And I was looking, I had a multi view at one point today in the scores were 13 to 3, 13 to 3, 13 to 6 and 17 to 7. Like and they were like into the second half. And so it's like, yeah, man, like these defenses are catching up into Vance Point. I think that is a big piece of it. Like there's just not the dominant quarterbacks anymore. Like they used to be like the, the best, possibly the best, most productive college starter right now is solid. Like he's not dynamic though, right? And maybe Dante Moore will take that title. But the, the point is, is that there's nobody that you can look at and say, okay, I can count on them to take over a game while these defenses, man, they've had a decade now to catch up and catch up, to catch up to these and mix zone and man to man. And you know what I mean, like you're just not going to catch them like you used to. And you know, and that's, that's actually what's kind of really interesting about Penn State because Penn State has always been great on defense, but they got Jim Knowles from Ohio State and for all the talk that people had about Ohio State's offense last year with Queen, Sean Judkins and Travion Henderson and Will Howard and you know, Jeremiah Smith, man, it was that defense that made the difference for them last year. Like that was what, that national championship. And so yeah, man, like if you're going to be a serious contender, man, it's going to be hard for you to go out there and not pull a defense. And that's like again, we saw Florida State. I just kind of feel like after I've seen your defense get done up like that, I just don't know that I trust you to be a national championship contender. You might make the playoffs, but national championship? I don't think so.

[B]

Two minutes on the clock. You need a quarterback. Do you have a name? Like is there a guy right now that you'd be like, he's the best in college football that we would trust.

[A]

We need to go win the game. We need a field goal or touchdown.

[B]

Two minutes. We need a touchdown.

[A]

You know, it's crazy.

[B]

Like, Castellanos is on the list. You know.

[A]

What'S crazy is that I, I could say that I, I would almost be comfortable with Carson back in that situation. I'd almost be comfortable with Carson back in that situation.

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[A]

I watched Castellanos do it and that's probably bias in my mind. Sure there are a lot of guys out there that have a grasp of their offense that can go down and get your points. But if we're talking about like how things were in past seasons where you had the C.J. strouds, the Jayden Daniels is, even the Stetson Bennett's, like, you know, even guys like that, I'm not so sure. I will say that I give a lot of credit to the Ole Miss offense being able to grind out and get into their 4 minute, 5 minute, 6 minute offense to be able to salt away the game against LSU because you know there was. LSU had a chance to get to have the defense, which is, you know, much ballyhoo defense get off the field. But Ole Miss was able to take their offense and, and salt that game away. But I'm. I'm not sure if there's anyone I can think of right now.

[B]

Is there? Can I, can I throw this name out just for both you guys. Get a reaction. What About Diego Pavia? 26 of 34, 400 total yards, 6 total touchdowns today for Vanderbilt and if you watch that South Carolina game, there was a third down, they were like third and seven. He's going to be short of the first down. He throws the pass backwards to his running back who then gets the first down. It's one of the sickest plays I've seen and we haven't talked about Pavia enough in a football sense.

[C]

No, I mean actually it's funny that you said that because I was going to say, well, if I can't pick Matier, like let's say like I can't pick Mater because Matier is hurt right then Pavia, man, because again Pavia has engineered like three of the craziest upsets in college football history, man. For to people don't understand what it is like to beat Auburn with New Mexico State talent. You know, that is crazy. And then the next year you go and beat Alabama with Vandy talent, man. So yeah, man, I'm a, I'm. He was number two on my list. If I don't get to have Matia.

[B]

Man, he's got his mom maybe going on a date.

[C]

Is that his mom or his sister?

[A]

I don't know she looked good. We play him in. She looked good. Your mama looked good. Can I just say something to people?

[B]

That's respect.

[A]

Yeah, that is respect. People act like that's a diss. I want to say something to y'.

[C]

All.

[A]

Some of y' all mama's fine. Deal with it.

[C]

All right?

[A]

And the reality is that you wouldn't even be here if it wasn't the case.

[B]

If it wasn't, pay your respects, then.

[A]

You wouldn't even be here. Some of y' all mamas look good. We like looking at them. That's it. That ain't no. Ain't no more around. That's it.

[C]

So do you think it's better to have a mom like Larsa Pippen or. Or just, you know, whatever.

[A]

But see what he did, though? See how he made it back now? Because Larson. Because we know. We just keep it all the way real with Larson Pittman. That's. I don't want to be disrespectful. What I'm saying is that, like, she. There were some lines that were crossed in the grand scheme of things, and that's. That's what you don't want. That's the worst case scenario. That's what you don't want. Now, people, they're grown. They can do whatever they want. But I'm just saying, Daniel Pavia, Mama, she look good. And that's okay. That's not a diss on him.

[C]

I mean, and clearly he didn't. He was serving her up. He was like, hey, man, Theo, you.

[A]

Know.

[C]

I was like, okay. I mean, I just like, I. I would not put my mom in a date on.

[A]

We already talked about it.

[B]

You already did it.

[A]

I definitely will.

[B]

Can we get an update on that? Is there any motion happening there? We got some pushback, but. But your mom said she was fine with all the options that were present.

[A]

Yeah, my mom was fine with all the options that were there. But my mom also wants to let the world know that, you know, she ain't got no problems getting a date. You know what I'm saying? My mom wanted to let the world know she was just letting people know that she was like. She said, this is how, you know, she talked like a. I want to say, talk like an old person, older lady. She goes, just let people know my dance card is full. I was like, oh, dance car. Okay, all right.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

You got a dance card, huh? Your dance card is full. What are y' all doing? The Bunny hop twist. What are y'. All.

[C]

What did it do downtown Baton Rouge Club. I. Then, you know.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, man. Tennessee got the ball. Tennessee about to break Mississippi State hard. Mississippi State just punted. It's 3434, 123 left. Joey Aguilar, legacy drive coming soon.

[B]

This might be a good name to throw in the mix as we were talking about.

[C]

Yeah, we'll see.

[A]

I mean, we'll see if Joey Agalar right now can get it done. Now. He doesn't need down to 26, so he doesn't need to go down this. He just needs a field goal. I feel like it's different when you need a touchdown. He just needs a field goal. But this is a legacy drive form right now also. Alabama and Georgia are kicking off right now. Hey, Siri, can both teams lose?

[C]

Wait, can I actually. Can I get that game on my. Oh, man. What channel is it on?

[B]

It's on abc, I think. Right.

[C]

Man, it's not pulling up as an option for me yet, bro. Anyway. Well, you know, I go to college football school.

[B]

Well, you. You've had some pro or. Yeah, it's abc. You've had some problems with your absolute.

[C]

Yeah, no, we're good, man. They figured it out. Sinclair reached an agreement. And so, yeah, I think the game. I've been able to see everything that I needed to see, man, because that. Yeah.

[B]

Ty Simpson with the football. Alabama with the football. First drive, Jam Miller back on the field. So that's big news right there.

[A]

That's a real big deal for him back.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Much needed explosiveness. It's a real big deal for them. Everybody's like, oh, coach football expert. Yeah, it matters. They need. They. They get some explosiveness.

[B]

And can we remind people, by the way, the. The experts were completely wrong going into the season. So even if you are like, what are these guys? They're not college football. The experts are idiots, as we've seen. And what do we say? Hold experts accountable. Damn it.

[A]

They don't know, by the way, y', all. I'm pissed. And that's how it's gonna be for the rest of the season. The reality is that LSU now goes on the road. South Carolina, that's a loss after that. That's a loss. Hey, they're gonna lose some of these games, man.

[C]

You don't know. They're never gonna invite you to come in to talk to the team, man. Where you going, bro? I mean, you know, it's. You. You're not inspirational.

[B]

No, it's called bulletin board material, and sometimes you have to put it out there. So you get the players locked in. You know what I mean? That's. That's.

[A]

If you guys think this is bad, go to a site called tigerdroppings.com right now, which is the LSU message board. Go to that site right now, now, and. And look at how crazy they're going to be going on. I haven't even gone to it. I'm not going to it. I don't need that toxicity in my life right now. But if you. If. If you want to see a fan base as we. We get as depressed as we celebrate. You know how we celebrate. Everybody talk about how we celebrate. Well, that's how hard we are on the football team, too.

[C]

Also.

[B]

Highs are highs. The lows are lows.

[A]

Oregon and Penn State is just kicked off, too. This is probably the game of the day. Y' all don't think so?

[C]

Oh, yeah. I mean, the whiteout, man, I would love to do. I would love to catch one of those. Like, that just looks pretty dope.

[B]

I didn't like the graphic. They made the Whites Only graphic. I thought that was.

[A]

Yeah, that wasn't real. That wasn't real.

[B]

Oh, that wasn't real.

[C]

Oh, yeah. I said, almost. Yeah, man. You got sent out.

[B]

I was like, wait a second.

[A]

If the three of us. If the three of us went to a game, it's me, you and Joel, right? Let's say we was going to the whiteout, and you had your white shirt on, and me and Joel didn't have our white shirts on. And we got up there, we trying to go into the game, and they said, hey, whites only. I know. Me and Joe, what would you do?

[B]

I would. I would have to leave with you guys out of principle.

[A]

Man.

[C]

You'd be like one of those guys.

[B]

Remember the Titans, the sunshine situation where he's like, we can go in the restaurant, and then Petey gets mad at him, you know, it's like, I wouldn't force the issue. I'd just be like, I guess we're leaving this, man.

[C]

You know, white shirts for us. I appreciate. Because, you know, because, I mean, I'm sure. I'm sure that that scene in that movie now, man, that's. That's a real tell. Because there's some people that watch that in the movie, and that's supposed to be like, where you know that the person is a good person. It's like, oh, man, we none of us eat if. If he can't eat. But there's a lot of people that watch that move, and they're like, man, that that negro better go find somewhere else to go.

[A]

Hey, man, I don't know if y' all know, but they got the good chicken fried steak in here. We can hang out. We can hang out after. It's not that big of a deal. If. If both of us go hungry, then they win. I mean, I'm gonna go eat for both of us. So what is. What's your problem?

[B]

The boss move is to go inside and order takeout for everybody. You know what I'm saying? That's the boss move. Just go in there and get food for everybody and just take it out. And then we're gonna go eat it outside.

[C]

We'll take out, huh?

[A]

Yeah. We'll tell you. That's what you want to do. You want. You want. The people that went to the. That went to the Woolworths don't eat there. Just take it out, eat it. This crib. It's like, let's all go eat. We would still be eating the takeout today. Like, we would be eating the takeout right now.

[C]

Can you go ahead and give me. Give me some. Give me one of the rice plates.

[B]

I'm just saying it was the best food in town. We're just going there and get some takeout.

[A]

We calling you, like, tate, we're hungry. Could you go up the street?

[C]

I'm just like, uber eats, get us some takeout.

[A]

Oh, fourth initiative.

[B]

I'm glad that graphic was fake, though.

[A]

It was fake. That graphic was not real. It said white out and they put white on whites only.

[B]

Okay, good, good. By the way, Ryan Williams just dropped the ball. Wide open play opportunity for Alabama. So Hollywood Williams, man, it's about to get homophobic.

[C]

Some. Some quarters of. Tied them today, man. Oh, that's too bad. Yeah.

[A]

Jeremiah's. Jeremiah Smith had. He had a better game. Had a. It looked better today.

[C]

Yeah, like.

[A]

Like, he didn't look. They were able to use him a little bit better. I saw him getting a little jiggy today.

[C]

It was interesting.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's good. You know, I like that type of talent. You want to make sure that they get utilized right.

[C]

You know, the one thing that hurt Washington in this game, man, is that they were missing their best corner man, and did that. Dude, I don't want to say it because, like, it'll make. It'll sound. If it's one of those names that if you mispronounce it, you sound racist either. Tariko, you know, something like that. Oh, man. Anyway, he's like a six foot four corner. Oh, Takario Davis, Takario Davis. And he, he's their best corner, 6 for 4. He didn't play today. And then Washington lost one of their best edge. One of the best edge players too. And so it was just like as that game went along, it just, you know, Washington just didn't have the dogs to keep up. But there's not many teams that are gonna have the dogs to, to, to, to roll with Ohio State anyway, man.

[B]

I mean that's, especially with that defense. I mean when you talk about the three headed monster of that offense of Washington, whether it's Boston or, you know, Coleman, who I mentioned going into that game, all those guys kind of got neutered day. Like they were not the best version of themselves. And that obviously was an issue. Fan, what's, what's grinding your gears right now?

[A]

Nothing. Ty Simpson. Just these, some of these reads are terrible. No, but you're right, it. Oh, I will say Joel's, Joel's point about Ohio State is they have something that they can fall back on that like they have a defense that comes out and plays consistently. They're in the right position.

[B]

Six sacks today, by the way.

[A]

Yeah, they have something that they can fall back on.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know that it's going to be tough sledding to score against them and on the backside of their defense with players like Caleb Downs, then you're not going to get anything easy. There are no gimme plays against Ohio State defense. And you know that that's probably, that's one of the most sure fire reliable units in the whole country and everybody else. So many questions. We've talked about it. Right?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Biggest thing for you, Joel. We, we, we got to get what, what, what's really getting you going today.

[C]

Oh, well, I already said it was, it was about the, the defenses. But actually I, I'll actually say this.

[B]

I thought it was the schedule thing. I thought you were going after our guy, Lincoln Riley.

[C]

Oh yeah, because I did want to say that. Yeah, that's right. So you, you read my mind. So at first I did not want to hear that about, man, you know, we got to go play at Illinois and this is early, the early kickoff. It's nine o' clock for us or whatever out, out west and I'm like, bro, well this is what the money is for. Like you know, you, there was a west coast based league that if you wanted to play in the Pacific time zone, it was totally there for you. You all more than anybody else are responsible for that disintegrating. So I don't want to hear about how you had to get up early and play in Urbana Champagne today. Right. But to his point, he's right, though. It is a hard. It is hard.

[B]

They went from the latest game in the country, they finished at 255 against Mich State in the morning, to the earliest game in the country.

[A]

But.

[C]

Yeah, right. The fact that he's a wider does not mean that he did not have a point. And that is very difficult for those kids that play early in the morning.

[B]

That's a good thing to remember.

[C]

Yeah, you're.

[A]

You're right. But you have to keep it that way. Just don't give them. Don't let him out of it. That's a figure four leg lock of logic right there. That's a Greg the Hammer Valentine logic lock that you got him in right there. Don't let him out of it.

[C]

I know.

[A]

If you. If you want to date the expensive girl, don't try to take her to Olive Garden. She's not going there. Y' all going to Mastro.

[B]

Pippin doesn't want Olive Garden.

[A]

That's not what you want.

[C]

Okay?

[A]

Just put your credit card down. Don't look at it. Don't complain about it. You asked for it. SC asked to take the expensive girl out, and now they have to deal with the byproduct of that. You got to be able to handle it. You got to be able to handle it, and that's a tough game. And they're going to play more tough games like that. They played tough games like that last year, and they don't have the type of team that's going to go out and be able to compensate for the fact that they put themselves in a competitively bad spot by having to travel as much as they do and as far as they do.

[C]

Yeah. And the thing is, it's like, it'd be one thing if, when those Big Ten teams come out west, that they're going to be facing some sort of, you know, crazy environment on the road, and the Coliseum is going to be electric and they're going to, you know, they're going to clearly have a home field advantage. They don't even necessarily get that right. And so, I mean, again, I, I understand why programs had to do that, like, why they're looking. Trying to secure their future, secure their place in the next iteration of college football. But I don't want to hear you about it, dog. Like, this is what you. This is what y' all wanted to do. So y' all have left Oregon State And Washington State out in the cold. Arizona and Arizona State moved over. They did not want to have to do that. They don't want to be in the Big 12.

[A]

They don't.

[C]

We have nothing culturally in common with those schools, but they had to do it. And so now that you have to get your ass up at six o' clock in the morning in the middle of nowhere out Illinois and play that game, I mean, that's just what it is, bro. You know, and you know. Yeah, I mean, put you guys at a competitive disadvantage. So, you know, maybe if you guys build up the Coliseum again to the mold days, maybe it'll be worth it. But right now, I, you know, it's you guys. Are you guys gonna caught the bad end of it?

[A]

Did you guys see that they are reducing the size of the rose bowl.

[B]

At UCLA's behest. Who. Who is making them do that?

[C]

They need to.

[A]

They're reducing the size of the Rose Bowl. Like, who does that? Who takes seats out of the venue? Like, the Rose bowl is known for being. That's like a breast reduction. I hate that. Like, it's like, what would the at. I can't stand it. I can't stand it. Like, no, I don't like it at all. No, no, that's a healthy. If there's a health thing, then I get it if there's like a health thing, like a bad.

[B]

Maybe this is a health thing of the Rose Bowl. Maybe they're just like, we're over capacity.

[A]

I get it if it's a health thing. But like, other than that, like what you getting rid of perfectly good titty me for? That's not. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I don't, I don't. Everybody's buying. But I looked at the Rose bowl, the granddaddy of them all. It's supposed to be this. And they're taking seats out of the Rose Bowl. They're reducing the size of the Rose Bowl. It's stupid to me. Stupid. That's why nobody is afraid to come out here and play. Like Joel said, Coliseum, Rose bowl. You got to go way up to the Pacific Northwest to get one of those venues that people are really afraid of.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And like I watched him leading into that game. Sorry to interrupt you, Joel, but going into that game, like, he was talking about how they changed the whole way that they travel to the. The east coast and the Midwest. You know what I mean? Like, he was patting himself on the bat like they had figured out the formula. And then it still didn't work. So, you know what I mean? He, he was talking out of both sides of his mouth a little bit.

[C]

Well, I mean, it doesn't. So it's questionable whether how much more talented USC is than Illinois at this point because he. Because this may be one of the best teams in Illinois history. Like recent, recent memory. Right?

[A]

Fair point.

[C]

And this is not, and this is not one of the great. Nobody is going to remember this team of usc like they may, you know, they may make the playoffs, whatever, but that's just not what it is. So they got that going on right now and you got to travel. And Illinois, if, if Illinois had any hope of salvaging its season, they had to respond. This was going to be the best that they were going to play. You didn't even get a chance to catch them. You know, kind of like after nursing their wounds after a close loss. Like they, their manhood was, you know, questioned after that loss. Man, they got humiliated on national tv. So the USC didn't catch no breaks. But again, man, you know, I mean, don't up, bro. You know, that's what you. This is what you wanted.

[B]

Yeah. And you know, at this point, Luke Altmeyer's throwing touchdowns, catching touchdowns. It was a great game for Illinois. And by the way, usc, when they got that two point conversion, they scored the late touchdown. It felt like they're going to win that game. But of a great drive, they get the field goal. Belema gets to celebrate. So Illinois bounces back. My big thing, I know you guys both saw this video. The Louisville Ball Boy 0. Pitt returns a touchdown. They had the Louisville football because Miller Mall's former USC quarterback just threw a pick six. And the ball boy for Louisville stood 10 toes down and said, give me our football back. If you don't know, you play with your own football and your own offense. So it was Biles, the cornerback, who wanted to keep the ball, give it to his family. And when he went to the sideline with the football, the ball boy said, give me the ball back. And then proceeded to try to rip it out, Peanut punch it out. And it turns into a bit of a melee and Louisville ends up winning this game. So I just wanted to say the Louisville ball boy on the right side of history, he swung the game. It was like a rally cap moment. Joel, you saw this. What'd you think?

[C]

Oh, yeah. Well, man, you know what it reminded me of? I guess it was last year when Shador scored a camera. If it was Shador or Shiloh, somebody scored a Touchdown. And they were at Texas Tech. And then the Gobbles.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Tried to get the ball from him, and I was like, man, what the hell?

[A]

What. What.

[C]

What is this guy for? Texas Tech, the right to think he could take that ball back. You know, I was just like, that's crazy. But then, yes, he realized, like, oh, wait a minute. That actually is their ball, right? And so I was like, yeah, you.

[B]

Provide your own footballs.

[C]

You provide. So I was like, I kind of get it. But, bro, you kind of. I mean, you. There was a whole incident. If you run up on a football player on the field, there was a whole incident we didn't even talk about earlier this year when Ole Miss played Memphis. And dude took a towel from one of the players and then the player from George. It was Georgia State. I'm sorry. Georgia State versus Ole Miss. And then old boy took somebody's chain off and threw it into the stands, man. You don't take nothing from a football player on the field, man, like, when they all hyped up like that. Like, that's really dangerous if you also.

[B]

Don'T beat up a ball boy, right? Like, the whole pit defense.

[C]

I mean, I felt like people.

[A]

You.

[C]

When you look at it, you have to know the dynamics in particular, to know that that's okay. Or if I'm the ball boy, I'd be like, hey, man, if y' all want it that bad, y' all go get it from me, okay?

[A]

I mean, if I'm. See the ball boy saw the opportunity to be a legend, and he took it. I love when people do that. I love when people see that I'm the opportunity for me to be a legend, and they take it. They take it. Shout out to him, man, how you.

[C]

Think he look after that, though? Do you think he looks like a legend in retrospect? He looked like he just got kind of ganked for the ball.

[B]

He took a picture. I just found this. He took a picture and put it on Twitter, and it was him with the football and just said, I got it back.

[A]

That's pretty legendary. He the man. He gonna be able to have somebody bring him. Take out for whatever restaurant he wants. Like, he. Like. He. He the man. He gonna be the man for the next couple of days.

[C]

I want that confirmed. I want to hear from the bro. I want to hear from the brother from. From the other school then, man. I want to hear that first. Let me. Let's. Let's make sure that that's true.

[B]

I like it. I will say this is probably the most famous ball boy moment since Red Lightning with Florida State. You guys remember Red Lightning?

[A]

I do.

[C]

Rem.

[B]

What a beast. He would, like, sprint down the sidelines. Like, you know, when they. It was like 2015 FSU. Like, he. I mean, he was like, full red hair, glasses, like, total character, but he would literally sprint next to the players, like, as they were running for a touchdown. And he. He was probably, to me, right, Van. Most famous ball boy we can think of. Yeah, maybe Bruce Pearl. Bruce Pearl.

[A]

Yeah, for a while. What? What, What? Was the team manager that got famous in the. In. In the NCAA for basketball. It's a team manager that got famous either last season.

[B]

Oh, yeah, Oricon, McNee State.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, whatever.

[B]

Yeah, he's an NC State now. He's like a grad assistant. They're gonna make him walk in with the boombox and everything. But by the end of that, everyone was over it. The first time you saw it, you were like, this is cool. Tennessee pools never worth it.

[C]

It really helped that the basketball team was good, though, because I felt like I was like, man, you wanted to make sure that they had something going on, because if they were sorry, all that kind of would look ridiculous. Yeah, man. Tennessee pulled it off, man. Good for them.

[A]

In overtime. In overtime. Joey Aguilar. Tennessee lost that game to Georgia, but they. Oh, did I? Did you guys lose me?

[C]

Yeah, man.

[B]

Where you at? Where you at?

[C]

No signal.

[A]

Let's see. Tennessee lost that game.

[B]

LSU is blocking the signal of Van now after hearing his comments.

[A]

Big LSU getting involved in, like, what's going on? What happened to the. To the thing? Hold on, let me see.

[C]

No sin.

[B]

Oh, man. Joey Aguilar, though, big drive, big finish for Tennessee. And honestly, Tennessee fans, after that Georgia game, I. I mean, they kind of needed some good faith on their side. A little bit. A little bit of karma their way. And I don't say that lightly because Tennessee fans have attacked me in the past. They threw. Yeah. Beer bottles at my whole family at the Music City bowl once upon a time.

[A]

What?

[C]

Oh, man.

[B]

Yeah. And I had a guy who was a Tennessee fan come up to me and my brother after the game and say, I'd take one Tennessee and over 10 North Carolinians, and we were just like. To do what? You know, like to volunteer. We don't know. So I say that, you know, you.

[A]

You.

[B]

You guys have hurt me in the past, but I still. I feel bad for them, and I'm glad they got that win. Mississippi State had, you know, obviously had a good season as well. Joel Van has left us or is he coming back?

[C]

Okay, that's too bad.

[A]

I don't know what's going on. Can you guys hear?

[B]

You're like Patrick Swayze. You're like a ghost right now.

[A]

That's so funny, you guys. This right here is just the cap on a really shitty college football day for me. I can't. I'm just like the LSU offense. I have not. I'm not even showing up right now.

[C]

You could afford a more. Could afford a better.

[B]

Or the Georgia defense, they're not showing up either.

[C]

Alabama driving, man, you know, the thing that I think about with Mississippi State, man, that could have been such a big moment for them, though. They've been looking for something, you know, that would have been such a nice home win for them. And, you know, I mean, they already got the win over Arizona State earlier this year. It was like. And I heard somebody say this. I wish I could give them credit for it, but it did. It did feel like. And having watched them a little bit, the Mississippi State was like one of the very best improved teams in the country. And that would have just been really, really nice to kind of top that off. But, you know, hey, man, they'll be. They'll. They'll have other chances. And, you know, it's kind of like you. People look at the schedule and they say, oh, I'm gonna be. We're gonna be Mississippi State. Not anymore. You know, like, what do you do in the SEC when even Vandy with Vandy and Mississippi State are not your gimmies anymore? Hey, welcome back, man.

[A]

I have to go to the other camera angles.

[C]

Flicked it, though.

[B]

Yeah. Now we can see the Percy Miller jersey.

[A]

Shout out, Master P. I had to go to the other camera angle, man. I had to get. I had to get rid of it. Now watch me. This is live tv, guys. It's live tv. So now you can see the jersey. My stuff a little bit better, but. Yeah, I don't know what happened, man. The people are trying to silence me because I'm not taking this poor offense that's being played in Baton Rouge.

[B]

I Jeremy Bernard, touchdown for Alabama right now. So Alabama is up 7 to 0 in Sanford Stadium. So, you know, good opening drive there for Kayin deboer and the Al Rolling Tide.

[C]

A and M and Auburn went final, too, with a&m 1610, man.

[B]

Nice. Marcel Reed, A and M keeping up. Mike Elko, by the way, he was asked about sort of the demons of. You know, a lot of people call A and m, you know, 8 and 4 is a big joke that's thrown at A M A lot, you know, with their fans. There's a lot of push back. And he was asked about that, and he was just like, look, all that stuff had nothing to do with me, so you guys need to get on board. So I appreciated Mike Elko basically saying, it has nothing to do with me. And right now, they look like a real good team. Right, Joel?

[C]

Yeah, man, they're really solid. I mean, you know, Marcel Reed, I mean, he. Again, he's a much better passer than I gave him credit for. He, you know, really worked it out over the year. They've got those great receivers, Craver and Concepcion. Leon Moss is a really good running back. And of course, the defense is solid. I don't even think. I don't even think Scooby played this week, man. But they've got, you know, just a bunch. Again, one of those schools that is heavy into nil, like A and M has got a lot of money, and they use it. And they've used it for fairly well, man. So, yeah, I'm. You know, it's just. It's. It's funny. Like, when you're a Texan, the Aggies, that, again, it's always like a joke. It's like, all right, who they gonna lose to, man? You know, like, what's the. You know, what they're. They're going to screw up and lose to, you know, Northwestern State or something like that. But for them to. For them to be where they are right now, man, I'm. I just. I think Mike Elko, Mayor may. May have been with this program, needed, like, a dose of seriousness. Like, it's not.

[A]

It's.

[C]

Again, it's not an unserious program. I don't mean to say that they're. But, I mean, they kind of are a joke. You know, like A M is a joke in Texas. And so for them to have, like, a guy that is a figurehead, like Jimbo is like a perfect kind of cartoon character, like a very. You got a lot of comedic thing with him. But, like, Mike Elko is not that. Just a very serious football coach. So, yeah, man, I'm. I'm hyped to see A M be, you know, finally live up to potential a little bit.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

Interesting that you.

[B]

Yeah, go ahead, man.

[A]

I'll just say this about the A M. Thing. It's interesting that you would say that, because the Jimbo hire for them was the type of hire that they would make, and it's Also a Brian Kelly type of hire as well go out. You make a big splashy hire from a. About a coach of a coach. I say that was successful somewhere else and was able to take that program and do things there. And you think that that type of thing is going to translate over to what it is that you're doing now. It's not that it hasn't worked before. It worked with Urban Meyer and, and, and, and, and in Ohio State. It's not that hasn't worked before. But what I'm saying is you have to hire coaches that have a vision for your program, that have a vision for how they're going to take your program from the specific place that it was. Forget about whether or not they can just coach ball. That's. I'm sure that Jimbo Fisher and Brian Kelly can coach ball, but could they take those specific programs from where they were and get them to operating on an elite level? Do they have that type of skill set? Have they done that before? Right. And you know, at this particular time it seemed like it didn't work for Jimbo Fisher, who is a good football coach. And it is working for, for Elko, who seems to be the right man for the job at this particular moment in Texas A and M's history.

[C]

Yeah, man, did you see that? But like, look at this. Auburn went 0 of 13 on third down today. They didn't convert a single third down. They had nine first downs. They were held to 177 yards today.

[B]

By a. I had Mac Brown tell me, tell me that a long time ago. He was like, if you just look at third down conversions, you can probably decide who won the game just based on that, you know what I mean? And not sitting back. Brown's got the answers to all football questions. But you know, I thought that was a good note. And was it always a stat that you need to look at? I wanted to shout out this guy, Kadeem Gaines. He tweeted at us that he wanted to mention the Green. Mean Green, North Texas. I wanted to give a shout out to the Mean Green. They looked really good this year. Got a good coaching staff. Caleb Hawkins, he said to look at his stat line. The stat line's pretty good. So just give the, the Mean Green some love. Parting shots on the way out. Van. Last thing before we get out of here. Two good games happening right now. We're gonna go watch them. McShay will be live later to talk about him. But Van, any last thoughts before we go?

[A]

Shout out to McShay. Today was a day of losses for me.

[C]

For you? Yeah.

[A]

LSU loss. And then I lost the big expensive, fancy camera. And now I look like I'm coming from Joel's takeout spot or wherever it is. Takeout. This is like me waiting in the back while the white people eat.

[B]

But I wouldn't need.

[C]

Come on.

[A]

Football left to be played. There's a lot of football left to be played. I'm talking to my LSU fans right here. This is the first loss of the season. We did not think that we were going to go undefeated. You want to see the team play better, but hopefully keep your voices loud. Hopefully these coaches can have the gumption to make some tough decisions about who's going to be playing in these games and to understand that we deserve and demand better at lsu. I want everybody else to enjoy the biggest games of the day, which are happening right now. It's just a full slate. Alabama, Georgia, Oregon, Penn State, all just football happening everywhere, man, everywhere. What a lovely, lovely sport we're a part of.

[B]

I love it. Big time football. Joel, parting shot before you get out of here.

[C]

Yeah, man, I got two. So, man, I think. I don't know if, if it's going to happen, but right this weekend, but it's going to happen pretty soon, man. Who you think's gonna take that Arkansas job? You know, I think they go. I think they go come on the market here pretty soon. That's like one of those losses. And apparently somebody was saying that if, if Arkansas waits until October or late October, then the buyout goes down a little bit on Sam.

[B]

It's like 9 million to 6 million or something.

[C]

Yeah. So they can save themselves a little bit of money. But I thought, I mean, I mean, nobody thinks that Arkansas is wealthy. I mean, I'm from Arkansas.

[B]

I know Tyson Chickens got money, though.

[C]

Tyson Chicken. I was gonna say Walmart, man.

[A]

You know, Bentonville, they got money there.

[C]

They got money.

[B]

Cal Perry, they got money. I probably you only 3 million getting away.

[C]

You know your destiny, dog. So now. But I, I kind of feel like, you know, Sam Pitman, man, once upon a time, Bomani was talking about, man, maybe I want have Sam Pittman down here, Texas, so. So you can have him now if you want him. And yeah, man, I think that, you know, I. Haynes King had a great, great game today. Real good comeback. But like, I just kind of. When is he going to learn how to pass? Like, I just, I was like, man, it's kind of the, the Jackson Arnold thing too. I'm just like, hey, man, I want to see these guys play in the pocket. Why can't these runners, you know, discipline themselves from the pocket? You know, Arch, man. Yeah, man. Another running back step up in the pocket, read a defense and make a throw. And I just haven't seen it yet. So I've kind of felt like, you know, Haynes, King is sort of, he's, he can take Georgia Tech as far as they need to go. Like, he's clearly the engine of that team, but also like his inability to win through the passing game is probably going to be the ceiling, too.

[B]

I love it. Speaking of love, Jeremiah Love four touchdowns in the first half against Arkansas today. An incredible day for him. We didn't talk about him enough. We'll talk about it on Wednesday as we break down the full slate. We'll break down the two big games from this late window as well on Wednesday. We appreciate everybody tuning in to ring your tailgate. We love doing it live. It's so live that we even lose vision of van at times. That's how good this is.

[C]

We brought it back, man.

[B]

We brought it back. Appreciate everybody tuning in and go check out McShade tonight and we'll see you all on Wednesday. 21 or older in President select states for Kansas and affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 and older and present in D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. GAMBLING PROBLEM Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com RGB call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chatincut or visit mdgamblinghelp.org In Maryland, Hope is here. Visit gamblinghelplinema.org or call 800-327-5050 for 24. 7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8-HOPE NY or text Hopeny in New York.

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