CFB Week 8 LIVE Reactions: Van Crashes Out, LSU's Loss, Georgia's Win & More | Ringer Tailgate

Summary

Ringer Tailgate – CFB Week 8 LIVE Reactions: Van Crashes Out, LSU’s Loss, Georgia’s Win & More

Date: October 19, 2025
Hosts: Van Lathan, Joel Anderson, Tate Frazier

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Episode Overview

This live episode of Ringer Tailgate captures the hosts’ instant, emotional reactions to a wild Week 8 in college football, with a heavy focus on LSU’s humiliating loss to Vanderbilt, Georgia’s gritty win over Ole Miss, and seismic upsets across the landscape. Van Lathan deals with abject LSU despair via Louisiana spiritualism, Joel Anderson jabs at both his co-host and the sport’s long-suffering programs, and Tate Frazier keeps things (mostly) on track, all while offering irreverent insight on the week’s biggest CFB storylines.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Van’s LSU Meltdown: Spiritual Desperation (00:59–07:22)

• Van arrives in full crisis mode after LSU’s shocking loss to Vanderbilt, complete with face paint and “spiritual cleansing” props.
  • “We turn to the spiritual. We turn to root work, hoodoo, and voodoo. And that’s what I’m doing today…to get Brian Kelly out of my town.” – Van Lathan (01:36)
• Details the crestfallen mood in Baton Rouge, how losing to Vandy (first time since 1990) feels like “hell,” and why the only thing left is to turn to family-rooted hoodoo practices.
• Van recounts his mother’s advice on spiritual cleansing: “She told me to sage my LSU hoodie, sage my LSU pillow, and put a face on. Let the energies know you’re here.” (05:28)

2. LSU vs. Vanderbilt: In-Depth Breakdown (06:54–15:18)

• The loss is dissected as a failure of coaching, culture, and execution.
  • “LSU went out there and got out-executed, got out-physicaled, got out-competed, out-everythinged by Vanderbilt. That’s hell.” – Van (07:35)
• The absence of key players (e.g., Whit Weeks) is noted, but Van insists talent and resource disparities (including $22 million spent in the portal) mean LSU has no real excuse.
• Offensive line play and penalties come in for scathing criticism.
  • “There is a talent maximization and capitalization issue at LSU right now.... The offensive line is always reflective of that.” – Van (13:30)
• Brutal assessment from Van:
  • “It is C-plus [football]. If you want a chance to win big or even compete in the way LSU fans are used to, you have to do something new. And that’s just what it is.” (14:37)

3. Coaching, Buyout Talk & Fan Pain (15:18–21:54)

• Debate whether Brian Kelly is the right coach for LSU.
  • “Brian Kelly might just be a ‘good’ coach at LSU, right?” – Joel Klatt (15:41)
  • Van blasts the notion of settling for being “good,” arguing LSU deserves and expects greatness.
• Buyout ($52 million) is discussed humorously; Van calls out local business moguls to foot the bill: “Todd Graves got that in chicken finger money. Pay the money.” (17:30)
• The emotional weight for Louisiana fans:
  • “We’re one of the poorest states. But what makes us feel rich is how our team performs on Saturday… This just makes us feel poor again—culturally, spiritually, competitively.” – Van (21:27)

4. Diego Pavia: The CFB Folk Hero (22:54–27:41)

• Joel spotlights Vandy QB Diego Pavia’s improbable path and historic run.
  • “Diego Pavia is the Bill Snyder of college football players… literally taking some of the hardest programs to win at in FBS and doing things nobody’s ever done.” – Joel (22:57)
• The crew marvels at Pavia’s confidence and leadership, suggesting he’s the type of QB every program covets.
  • “What you want at QB is a personality and a belief that spreads through the team... an inspiring leader who can also get it done.” – Van (25:45)
• Tate notes: “He’s a guy that wore a Pooh Shiesty mask to the game. He had an expectation to win.” (27:41)

5. Georgia vs. Ole Miss: The Gritty Champs (35:22–43:14)

• Georgia survives another scare, winning ugly against Ole Miss.
  • “Interesting to see Georgia in a situation where teams walk the ball up and down the field… but their culture’s strong enough to overcome it.” – Van (35:22)
• Gunner Stockton’s breakout performance (26/31, 289 yards, 4 TDs) lauded; contrast made with previous UGA QBs faltering elsewhere.
• Discussion on Georgia’s defensive slippage since their Natty years.
  • “They’re tough, but they’re just not dominant anymore… just a win, right?” – Joel (40:50)
• Ole Miss as the always-the-bridesmaid program:
  • “Ole Miss needed this game to announce they’re really here. Eventually they’re gonna have to win one of these if Lane’s going to be the guy.” – Van (36:41)

6. The Culture & Psychology of CFB Fanbases (43:41–49:21)

• What constitutes success and happiness in CFB?
  • Joel: “Be grateful you’re having this era of Ole Miss football. At a certain age, too much ambition can be embarrassing.” (43:14)
• Van and Tate reject that notion for SEC programs that spend like contenders.
• The crew analyzes what fanbases expect from their programs, and why “just being back” isn’t enough for power schools.

7. Miami’s Latest Collapse & CFB Narratives (48:29–58:57)

• Miami’s Friday night loss—are The U’s glory days gone for good?
  • Joel: “The U is dead, and it’s never coming back. Miami is a good program, but the U, my brothers, that’s over.” (49:35)
• Host banter about Mario Cristobal’s game management woes and how Miami always “finds a way to do something stupid.”
• Van and Tate break down why Friday nights spell doom for ACC powerhouses, and whether Miami can still make a 10-2 push to the playoff.

8. Coaching Carousel & Penn State’s Future (60:30–71:21)

• Speculation on the next Penn State coach: Matt Rhule, Manny Diaz, Clark Lee, Urban Meyer, even (jokingly) Art Briles.
  • “If you win at Vanderbilt, it’s a good predictor of success at Penn State.” – Joel (63:11)
• Extended tangent on the way college football, for all its scandals, continues to recycle coaches—often ignoring troubling histories (Art Briles debates).
• Lively discussion about what kind of job James Franklin will take next, with Van arguing he’ll land another blue-blood gig, Joel predicting a step down in prestige.

9. Which is the Best Job: Penn State, Florida, LSU? (71:43–77:07)

• Start/Bench/Cut: Most desirable jobs if all are open.
  • “Start: LSU. Bench: Florida. Cut: Penn State.” – Joel (72:15)
• The hosts break down their reasoning, emphasizing recruiting bases, recent histories, and fan expectations.
• Van agrees, giving a poignant defense of why LSU’s expectations and talent pool keep them elite.

10. Quick-Hitters & Standout Games (77:07–85:17)

• Updates on other key CFB results and upsets (A&M/Arkansas, Wazoo/Virginia, Oregon/Rutgers).
• The “Holy War” (BYU/Utah) discussion, in lighthearted tones about social media feedback from Mormon listeners.
• UAB's upset of Memphis and the firing of Trent Dilfer; banter about Dilfer’s near-co-hosting gig with Tate.

11. Personal Stories & Closing Banter (82:00–End)

• Joel opens up about his family, talks about fatherhood, and tells a story about his family naming tradition.
• The crew finishes on a human note, reflecting on what CFB means to their lives and relationships.
• Van: “People don’t believe my family… I am the son of a hoodoo woman and a rodeo cowboy.” (75:20)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “We turn to the spiritual. We turn to root work, hoodoo and voodoo. And that’s what I’m doing today… to get Brian Kelly out of my town.”
  – Van Lathan (01:36)
• “I put my mask on, I put my spirituality on. I sage everything. And I asked the spirits for some help, cause we goddamn definitely not going to get any help from anybody running LSU football right now.”
  – Van Lathan (08:11)
• “Diego Pavia is the Bill Snyder of college football players… literally taking some of the hardest programs in FBS and doing things nobody’s ever done.”
  – Joel Anderson (22:57)
• “You have to do something new. And that’s just what it is.”
  – Van Lathan, on firing Brian Kelly (14:37)
• “Be grateful you’re having this era of Ole Miss football. At a certain age, too much ambition can be embarrassing.”
  – Joel Anderson (43:14)
• “The U is dead, and it’s never coming back. Miami is a good program, but the U, my brothers, that’s over.”
  – Joel Anderson (49:35)
• “We’re not a rich state… but what makes us feel rich is how our team performs on Saturday. This just makes us feel poor again—culturally, spiritually, competitively. And I don’t like that.”
  – Van Lathan (21:27)
• “Start: LSU. Bench: Florida. Cut: Penn State.”
  – Joel Anderson (72:15)

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Important Timestamps

• Van’s Spiritual Ritual & LSU Rant: 01:36 – 07:22
• LSU-Vandy Breakdown: 06:54 – 15:18
• Cultural Pain of LSU Losing: 21:27 – 21:54
• Diego Pavia’s Legend: 22:57 – 27:41
• Georgia-Ole Miss Analysis: 35:22 – 43:14
• Debating What Makes a “Happy” CFB Program: 43:41 – 49:21
• Miami’s Collapse and Coaching Critiques: 48:29 – 58:57
• Penn State Coaching Carousel: 60:30 – 71:21
• Best CFB Jobs Debate: 71:43 – 77:07
• Rapid-Fire Results & Quick Hits: 77:07 – 85:17
• Personal Stories & Show Close: 82:00 – end

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Tone & Language

The tone is raw, emotional, irreverently funny, and intermittently poignant, true to the “sideline hangout” style. Speakers are colloquial, unfiltered, and open—especially Van, who mixes humor, cultural depth, and frustration. Joel brings both snark and sharp analysis, while Tate balances enthusiasm and order.

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Summary Takeaway

This Ringer Tailgate episode is a cathartic, chaotic ride through the heartbreak, absurdity, and unrelenting hope of college football fandom. It’s therapy and therapy group for the suffering, the cynical, and the stupidly optimistic, and this week, nobody needed it more than Van Lathan—the spiritual guide for all those who’ve wished they could sage away their coach’s contract.

Transcript

[Tate Frazier]

Foreign welcome to Ringer Tailgate. We're live, it's Saturday and we are having a great time. Upsets alerts across the board right now. Texas Tech is on watch, Virginia is on watch. Wazoo up 70 in that game and we're coming to you live right after Georgia Ole Miss just wrapped. This is Ringer tailgate presented by FanDuel. And if you're betting on college football, FanDuel's the place to do it. They've got everything. Same game parlays, quick bets for when you want to jump in live and futures available all season long to make your playoff predictions. The app's fast, it's easy to use, and best of all, when you win, you get paid out instantly. Download the FanDuel app or go to FanDuel.com tailgate to get started. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and help lines available and listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Must be 21 or older in President select states and 18 and older in D.C. kentucky and Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800- GAMBLER or visit rg-help.com call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chatinconnecticut and let's say what's up to the guys. First and foremost, let's say what's up to Van Lathan. Van, how you doing on this Saturday? Are you crashing out right now? Oh, wow. He's. He's crashed out.

[Van Lathan]

Let me tell you guys something real quick, all right? I'm from Louisiana.

[Joel Klatt]

He's sight gag comedian. Van Lathan.

[Van Lathan]

I'm from Louisiana.

[Joel Klatt]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

And let me tell you what happens when there are no more solutions, no more explanations to things that are going on. We turn to the spiritual. We turn to root work, hoodoo and voodoo. And that's what I'm doing today. Rude work, hoodoo and voodoo to get Brian Kelly out of my town. I want him gone. I'm, it's a, it's, I want him going.

[Tate Frazier]

A lot happening there. Van Lathan, you look great. I appreciate the effort here. He's, you know, he's, he looks lighting sage right now.

[Joel Klatt]

He looks great.

[Tate Frazier]

He looks great. Yeah. You look like the JMU linebacker who's doing all the face paint right now. Shout out to that guy. I don't know if you guys have seen that as well, but Joel Anderson, also in the place to be. Joel, how you doing, man?

[Joel Klatt]

I'm doing better than Van. I know that much. We beat. We beat. We beat Baylor today.

[Van Lathan]

We. Who's the we?

[Joel Klatt]

Can. I'm not. I feel like if you have ever shed blood for you. Have you ever shed blood for LSU?

[Van Lathan]

I've shed blood on LSU's campus. Here's the deal.

[Joel Klatt]

But you didn't shed blood for lsu, though.

[Van Lathan]

That I count. That counts for lsu. I give you credit as a player. But let me tell you something, Joel. I knew you was going to come in here real spicy today because this is your thing. This is what you want to be known as. I'm known as.

[Joel Klatt]

Hey, man, don't.

[Van Lathan]

That's what I'm doing. I call my mom. My mom is a licensed hoodoo practitioner. I call my mom and I ask my mom, what do we have to do? She says, you got to exercise that spirit. I'm exercising the spirit of Brian Kelly right now. I'm doing this the whole show. Joel, you. I knew you was going to come in with the hatred. I just want to let you know, where I'm from, we don't really take disrespect from non national champions. You know what I'm saying?

[Tate Frazier]

What about national championship appearances?

[Joel Klatt]

National champions.

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[Van Lathan]

Like TCU gotta get they weight up, not they hate up. Okay, so I'm starting off on TCU dome today.

[Joel Klatt]

Pause.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, because I. Because the reality is that.

[Joel Klatt]

Because you can't beat Vanderbilt. Right?

[Van Lathan]

That's right. Taking it.

[Joel Klatt]

You got bullied. You got bullied by the nerds league and now you feel like you don't. I'm okay. That's.

[Van Lathan]

What do you expect me to do, Joe? A no star white boy ran past $5 million athletes. What do you expect me to do, Joe? What do you expect me to do? We can't do anything else. We've done everything that we can do. We went out and we got a high price defensive coordinator. The defense was bad. We went out and spent millions and millions of dollars on it. Millions of dollars on guys at receiver. Still can't throw the Ball with any type of fierceness. Still can't run it when we need to. Still can't stop the running quarterback. It's the same stuff. The only thing left now is the spirits.

[Tate Frazier]

Let's go to the spiritual world. Let's start here with our first fact of the day.

[Joel Klatt]

Are you in the Creole? Are you? Because, you know, I don't even with them. I mean, you know what I'm saying?

[Van Lathan]

My mother.

[Tate Frazier]

For real.

[Van Lathan]

I'll get on the phone. My mother is a licensed who. Like, whoo. Practitioner.

[Joel Klatt]

I don't know if I play with.

[Van Lathan]

Before T gets into the show, my mom and my dad got into an argument one time. My mom and my dad got into an argument one time. My dad was leaving the house, and when he's leaving the house, I heard this crunching sound, and it was a bunch of eggshells that mom had put on the ground for him to walk on before he left the house. And my dad freaked out. He was like, hey, your mama is a hoodooer. Your momo is a hoodooer. There's some hoodoo women. And he was upset. He was scared. He had to apologize. So I called her, and she told me to sage my LSU hoodie to sage my LSU pillow and to get in, she said, put a face on. Let the energies. Let know that you're here. So let's put a face on. So that's what I did.

[Joel Klatt]

Okay.

[Tate Frazier]

And it's the perfect time for that Halloween. I feel like you can conjure. Probably this is the best time to be conjuring. So I. I think you're in the right spirit there, Van. So shout out to you.

[Joel Klatt]

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Van Lathan]

Once again. You making a costume out of my culture.

[Joel Klatt]

No, I'm saying you're conjuring these. Conjuring.

[Van Lathan]

You're talking about Halloween, Tate. Not you, Tate. You One of my last ones. And you know what I'm talking about. Just get to the games, man, because I can't believe LSU is officially in hell. And I'm gonna do everything I can do. I. I'm not like Joel. I didn't suit up for the Tigers, but I can do this to help LSU get over what we're going through. Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

Let's start here first fact. There are two teams, two power conference teams that have not scored 25 points or more against FBS opponents. North Carolina, self explanatory. We know where they are right now, but LSU is one of those teams as well. Today. They scored 24 points against Vanderbilt, obviously. First time Vanderbilt has beaten LSU since 1990. So that leads us right into our one big reaction. And, Van, I'll turn it back over to you because you are truly trying to exercise the demons right now. The Tigers.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

So this is what I'll say. You compare us to North Carolina, and that's cool. But the reality is our coach ain't hitting nothing bad. So. So, like, it's not. First of all, he's.

[Joel Klatt]

He has a wife, doesn't he?

[Van Lathan]

But what. This is what I mean, though. His wife is lovely. His wife is lovely. I'm sure this is not a shot at the family. I don't do that type of stuff. Okay? What I'm saying is, the solace. If you are from North Carolina. Let me fix my shot. If you are from North Carolina, the solace is that your coach, at least your coach got a baddie. At least he got something going on. What we got for real right now, all jokes aside, like, LSU went out there and. And got out, executed, got out, physical, got out, competed out, everything by Vanderbilt, that's hell. I don't care how many goddamn losses. I don't care if it's the second loss, if it's the ninth loss, whatever it is, that's hell. We laughed at Bama last year when they lost to Bama, when they lost to Vanderbilt, and that karma just came back and he was right in the face, which is why my eyes is bleeding as hell. I put my mask on, I put my spirituality on. I. I sage everything. And I asked for the Spears for some help. Cause we goddamn definitely not going to get no help from anybody that's running LSU football right now. They don't know what the hell they doing.

[Joel Klatt]

Wow.

[Tate Frazier]

Is it more damning, Van, that they didn't rush the field? Like, they beat LSU, a top 10 team, first time since 1990, like I said. And they don't even rush the field.

[Van Lathan]

You know, for everybody that's saying that.

[Joel Klatt]

To me, they didn't even think y' all were worth it. Damn.

[Van Lathan]

Joe. What's going to happen in this podcast, bro?

[Joel Klatt]

I'm sorry, man. My bad. I was just thinking about it. It was crazy.

[Van Lathan]

What's going to happen in this podcast, bro? I'm like, first of all, everybody that's saying that to me, I just want to let y' all know, stop making this shit worse, you know? So, yeah, no, they didn't rush the field. You know why they didn't rush the field? Because they knew they were going to win. Why would you rush the field if right Now, I went out there and put Dorsey High, McKinley Central, whoever, whoever you want. If I went right now and put Liberty High School, Liberty Magnet School on Lee Drive in Baton Rouge, if I put them on, if LSU beat them, do you think that there would be a field rushing? No. Because you expect to win. They expect. They knew they were going to win. The whole game. Day cast in the morning, V, V V V V V V V v V. The whole thing. They knew they were going to win. They went out there and they won. And Diego Pavia, he thanked God. God, he said God humbled him against Bama and then God blessed him against us. He put God against us, which is why I had to go to the spirits.

[Joel Klatt]

I was gonna say, man, you got his. His God versus your spirits, man. Wow.

[Van Lathan]

It's all the same thing. It comes from the same source. This is African spiritualism. Don't let white supremacy fool you away from what your people do, Joel.

[Joel Klatt]

Okay, man, look, that, you know, white.

[Van Lathan]

Supremacy fool you from what you're.

[Joel Klatt]

You the one playing hoodoo right now. That's not me.

[Van Lathan]

I'm playing. This is my. This, this is my point. This is what I am.

[Joel Klatt]

Are you crazy?

[Van Lathan]

Like, how do you think I got here? One day I was listening to the Bill Simmons podcast and I said, my mom, I said, energy, root work. That's why I wanted to be the next thing you know, Kanye. I'm on that shout out to mom. She looking out. And that's why LSU is going to get a new coach, because we putting it into the spirits.

[Joel Klatt]

Okay, okay.

[Tate Frazier]

Well, I want to get your reaction to LSU in this game, obviously. I mean, they made it close to two point conversion. We get it down 24, 21. Then Diego Pavia comes back down the field. Really? That fourth and one play where he does the spin cycle and, and finds a guy, gets the first down. That felt like the, the quote unquote Heisman play. Right. For Pavia in this game. But from your vantage point, what did you see from Vanderbilt? And like, did you feel like LSU was that far away? Because Brian Kelly says they weren't that far away. It was just the details, right?

[Joel Klatt]

It was just, you know, I mean, I do think that they're. I mean, the indictment is that there's not that much distance between LSU and Vanderbilt in terms of their roster. Right? Like that is the indictment that or that for what Vanderbilt and what Clark Lee is able to get out of his roster compared to what Brian Kelly is allegedly supposed to have on his roster. That is a huge Indictment. And, you know, I. I think the thing is, is it's one thing for Vanderbilt to kind of sneak up and beat you, right? You know, and you're not that. Take that game seriously or whatever, or, you know, a true upset like Vanderbilt in the. In the year 2017 or something like that. Right? But you went into their home, you knew that they were waiting on you. They are a ranked team and they kind of. I'm not. They didn't bully them, but.

[Van Lathan]

No, they did.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah, I mean, they. But, yeah, they looked like as physically imposing and as physically capable of going toe to toe at LSU as anybody else in the sec. And if I. To. If I was Van, some other unfortunate LSU fan today, I would. That would be the thing that's. I'm not saying that I would want to fire Brian Kelly because I think that Brian Kelly is a good coach. And that's something else that me and Van disagree on. But I.

[Van Lathan]

It was concerning. You know what? It was concerning. Don't you fucking jam it. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, Joe, why don't you take it, turn it sideways and just fucking jam it. I don't want to hear that from you right now. Listen, listen. Right?

[Joel Klatt]

You're.

[Van Lathan]

Joe, you're with me again. You're doing it again. Let me tell you three things right now. Let's talk about the actual football. And like everyone right now, try to ignore the fact that I've painted my face for this podcast, okay? And let's talk about the actual football. Number one, every point you made was salient. That's true. But consider these points, okay? One team has a bloated, overinvested roster with some of the best talent ever, 22 million ever, in the transfer portal. And I'm not. I'm not blaming these kids. What I'm saying right now is there's a lot of talent on this field and it's everywhere. It's Bauer Sharp at tight end. It's Barry and Brown at receiver. It's everywhere that you can name. It's Jack Pyburn. It's everybody that we've brought in, right? You have guys now. I'll say LSU does have some injuries. Whit Weeks did not play in this game. We've had some injuries throughout the year. So this is not the version of the LSU defense that played Clemson. However, I'll say this. There is a talent maximization and capitalization issue. LSU right now. And there is one glaring unit that every single game, no matter what's going on, is Reflective of that. And that's the offensive line. I watch college football all week long and I see offensive lines that, number one, are physically more opposing than LSU's offensive line, but also better coached. Meaning they're passing things off better, they're communicating better. The penalties that they are getting aren't as timely and aren't as crippling as some of the penalties that we see in our offensive line. America saw right now a D tackle or an in from Vanderbilt dominate. DJ Chester.

[Joel Klatt]

Knocked his ass over, man.

[Tate Frazier]

Threw it back.

[Van Lathan]

Into, you know what, where the goddamn sage at this would be. How is that happening in a Vandy LSU game? And that tells you right now what is true about LSU football under Brian Kelly. It is C plus. It is always going to be C. We have enough tape of enough time, enough players, enough film to see that this is a C program as long as Brian Kelly is in control of it. And if you want a chance to win big or even compete in the way that the LSU fan base is used to, you have to do something new. And that's just what it is.

[Joel Klatt]

Wow, man. I get. I. I mean, I guess the thing is, you know what it is? This, you know what Brian Kelly is for me, he's the Arch Manning of coaching. Like, I just refuse to accept. I don't know how many more times Brian Kelly's gonna have to use an upset van. And I'll be like, yeah. And I'll just be, oh, okay. You know, so maybe I just, maybe today is the day that I need to sit with it and be like.

[Van Lathan]

You know what, man?

[Joel Klatt]

Brian Kelly might just be a good coach at lsu, right?

[Van Lathan]

That's funny.

[Joel Klatt]

The guy, the guy that I thought had done a really good job and wasn't appreciated at Notre Dame at lsu. LSU had this coup. They got Brian Kelly. All Brian Kelly needed was LSU talent. And as it turned out, he had LSU talent. Got beat with Vandy talent, which is a talent.

[Van Lathan]

Brian Kelly beat LSU when he was at. At Notre Dame. He beat us 2018 Citrus bowl or whatever it was we. We. We lost in him. Okay? Anybody that thought that, that Brian Kelly was going to come to LSU and win big, see why you thought it. Brian Kelly, if it was one thing he could do, was over the course of his entire Notre Dame tenure is deal with offensive lines that have dominating offensive lines that can move the line of scrimmage, protect the quarterback and run the football. He comes down to LSU and he's not doing any of that, the team is soft. They don't Play with any passion, any p. Fire. I would kill to have less miles back right now.

[Joel Klatt]

Wow.

[Van Lathan]

To have less miles back.

[Joel Klatt]

Can't look less miles back on a college campus right now.

[Tate Frazier]

Just.

[Joel Klatt]

You know, for the record, you can Google, you can. We can go. But look, okay, here.

[Van Lathan]

Here's the thing.

[Joel Klatt]

Here's the thing. Here's the thing.

[Van Lathan]

I remember the good times.

[Joel Klatt]

Van. Van.

[Van Lathan]

What?

[Joel Klatt]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

What? So what. What is it, Joe?

[Joel Klatt]

So who do you. Who do you think is going to be better, though? Who do you think? Like, so now you.

[Tate Frazier]

You go to five $52 million buyout.

[Van Lathan]

You know something?

[Joel Klatt]

I'm a gun owner, Pennsylvania.

[Van Lathan]

Stop with me. Like, who's gonna be better? Stop. I don't.

[Joel Klatt]

Bruh.

[Van Lathan]

Who's gonna be. You know what? These are questions that are. Are being asked from a. That.

[Tate Frazier]

From.

[Van Lathan]

From hell.

[Joel Klatt]

From.

[Van Lathan]

Not from hell. These are questions that you ask. You know how you ever visited somebody in prison, Joel? I know you have, Tate. I know you have it. You ever. You. You ever visit somebody in prison? You visit someone in prison, and when you go there, right, you don't think about tomorrow. You don't think about, how is Uncle David doing tomorrow. You think about writing. You make sure your uncle that you visit in prison has a good Thursday. Cause you gotta take care of the things that are in front of you. The first problem for LSU football is that we cannot compete at an elite level right now. That's the first problem. If there is a chance to compete at an elite level in the future, then go out there and find it. That's your job as an ad, as an administration, as a booster culture. But right now, we know that there's a problem. So the first thing to do is solve the problem that's in front of you, change the whole thing. 52 million. Todd Graves got that in chicken finger money. Pay the money. Pay the money. Todd, we is. They're opening up a Canes on Sunset. All right? I went to the first canes ever. 52 million. That's nothing for Todd, man. Chicken fingers, bro. Pay the money.

[Tate Frazier]

That franchise money.

[Joel Klatt]

The funny, the funniest thing. Somebody. I have an idea for a podcast. Nobody's going to buy it because nobody's doing narrative podcasts anymore. I want to do a whole series on that LSU Clemson game and everything everybody said about both of those teams after that game, like, man, LSU looked like one of the best teams in the country. That's a quality win. They went over to Clemson, and Clemson was supposed to be a national champion, and now it's Just like, everybody's all mad, you know, it's like, man, Clemson's terrible. Dabo is letting himself down. Van had to paint his face and pretend to be in the hoodoo culture today to. He said pretend.

[Van Lathan]

You know, Let me tell you something right now. Hold on. I'm going to call my mom in a second because Joel, once again is.

[Joel Klatt]

I would love to talk to your mom.

[Van Lathan]

Two things, Joel.

[Joel Klatt]

Did you tell her?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, you know what? Actually, this is the first time you've been right on the podcast. You write about one time you've been right on this podcast. You're right. Nobody's going to buy that podcast idea. That's for sure. Right about that. No one's gonna buy.

[Joel Klatt]

Well, it's not a series. It's a one.

[Van Lathan]

About the LSU Clemson game from 2025. That's not. That's not going on Netflix, okay? So you don't have to worry about that. No one's gonna buy that one. Number one, that's. That's good. Number two, why are you doing this? Like, oh, man, it's funny. I know it's funny. And I didn't paint my face. It was really obvious.

[Joel Klatt]

So why did I say that or a gimmick?

[Van Lathan]

I painted my face because I don't know what else to do. This is. This is my culture, and this is how we fix things. Not Louisiana culture. This is my family's culture. And any further jabs at that, I will take as. You talking about my mama.

[Joel Klatt]

Okay. Okay. I'm sorry.

[Tate Frazier]

I don't want to. Personal.

[Joel Klatt]

I would now family business.

[Van Lathan]

I can't believe business. That's all I have to say about lsu.

[Joel Klatt]

Cross the line.

[Van Lathan]

I'll tell you this. This crash out that you guys are seeing.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah. Is real.

[Van Lathan]

And I want to let you guys know that, like. And this is so stupid. And it is stupid, but in a.

[Joel Klatt]

Real way really hurts.

[Van Lathan]

This ruins my weekend. Yeah, like, this ruins the weekend. This. And it doesn't ruin the weekend necessarily that they lost. It ruins the weekend that things are in such disarray because we were told that there was a solution and that that Solution was worth $100 million. Guys, we're not a rich state. We're not a rich state. As a matter of fact, we're one of the poorest states. We're one of the states that's most res. Resource stress that. Where things are most dire, where people have the least amount of stuff. We're one of those states. Whatever it is, look up the numbers. That's us. But but you know what fills us up and makes us feel rich? What makes us feel rich is how our team performs on Saturday. Because if we broke with actual money, we're rich in football talent, and we like showing that to the nation. Look how awesome Louisiana is. Look how we can perform against all kinds of other places. Look at what our boys can do. We love that. And this just makes us feel poor again. It makes us feel culturally poor. It makes us feel. Feel spiritually poor. It makes us feel competitively poor. And I don't like that.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah, that's sad, man. I'm sorry, bro.

[Tate Frazier]

I'm sorry, man.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah. Yeah, man. Y'. All. Y'. All. Y' all some hell of some football company, bro. I mean, North Carolina and lsu.

[Van Lathan]

I gave that whole impassion, not scoring no points, and nobody even cared. Y' all not true friends.

[Tate Frazier]

No, I care.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

I can't.

[Van Lathan]

You know what?

[Tate Frazier]

Football fills the cup. Football fills the cup. I'm telling.

[Van Lathan]

You know, I'm gonna do for you, Tate. I got something for your ass tape. We gonna hang glide next week. Did you want to play?

[Tate Frazier]

Hey, I. I told you, I already. Already felt that pain. You know what I mean? I can't do it again.

[Joel Klatt]

Kind of cool up there.

[Tate Frazier]

I'm a legit crash. Joel, do you have a sincere apology here to LSU fans? I mean.

[Joel Klatt]

Oh, of course not. Of course.

[Tate Frazier]

Of course.

[Joel Klatt]

No, no, I'm not. I'm not apologizing them, man. They fuck well. TCU need to get them. Get their weight up, you know? So, I mean, why. Why would I care about LSU fans and their feelings right now? But, you know, we haven't talked about Diego Pavia.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, that's. That's a reaction right there. Diego Pavia.

[Joel Klatt]

That's my reaction. So my reaction is, Diego Pavia is the Bill Snyder of college football players. Like, he's one of the greatest winners in the history of college football. The dude had no offers coming out of Albuquerque, New Mexico.

[Tate Frazier]

Right.

[Joel Klatt]

I just think about how far in football you have to come that, like, even in state, New Mexico, New Mexico State were like, we'll pass. He had to go to junior college, win a championship there. He went to New Mexico State, which was so bad, they wrote a story about how bad it was in 1992. Like, New Mexico State has only been bad. By the end of his first season, he had beat the. He beat Liberty, and it was their first. And led them to their first bowl win in 62 years. The next year, he led them to 10 wins. They had never even won eight more than eight games in the season in like 62 years. Okay. And including a 21 point win over Auburn, he led New Mexico State to the conference championship game in two of their only three bowl games in the last 65 years. Okay. Now he goes to Vandy. He beats number one Alabama in his first year. This year he beats lsu, a top five team. I mean, I just. He's not doing this at Florida. He's not doing this at Ole Miss. He's not doing this at Texas A and M. He is literally taking some of the. The hardest programs to win at in fbs. Like, Vandy is supposed to be the worst program in sec. New Mexico State is really a program that if they probably should be fcs, right? And he did shit there that nobody had ever done in the history of that program before. And so I'm just like, why I feel sorry for lsu. I. I'm marveling at how great Diego Pavia has been. Like, you know, I mean, and it's not. We're not talking about. This is a Dante Culpepper. He's not going to go to the dude. He's going to go pro and something and pro in something other than sports. You know what I mean?

[Tate Frazier]

Like, he's the classic.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah, yeah. Like he's not going to play in the NFL. But yet. And still he is at the center of some of the most improbable victories and improbable resurrections in college football history. And man, you know what, man? Show your mom however much they want, man. You know what I'm saying? Like, I just. I want to know more about Diego Pavia. You. I mean, he needs to go to New York City, you know, like, he.

[Tate Frazier]

Hit the highest today.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah, man.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Go to the hospital. Yeah.

[Joel Klatt]

That's great, man. I mean, would you rather have Da Van. Would you rather have Diego Pavia or Garrett Nussmeier as your quarterback?

[Van Lathan]

Diego Pavia. It's a great story, okay? And by the way, it's always a great story until it happens to you.

[Joel Klatt]

Wow.

[Van Lathan]

I. I'll have to. I'll have to tell you this. I think that what Diego Pavia has done is nothing short of amazing. It's amazing for all kinds of reasons. Number one, if I'm being serious, that is what you want at quarterback. What you want at quarterback is a personality and a belief that can make its way through the entire team to where the team takes on the confidence and the playstyle of their leader. If you have a guy like that who can go out and then back it up. That is what you want. You want an inspiring leader who can also get it done. And something else, man. You know, people talk about Diego Pavia and in terms of, you know, how they've won and how they've competed. But if you watch this game from snap to whistle, play to play, then what you saw was someone who understood on an encycloped, encyclopedic level what the defense was doing. He understood that LSU for some reason had really poor rush, rush, lane integrity. Right. They were acting like they were playing against one of the least mobile quarterbacks in college football when they were really playing against one of the most mobile quarterbacks in college football. And when I say most mobile, I don't just mean most mobile. From the standpoint of this guy's going to run a 42, catch the edge on your end and run right by him. I'm talking about a decisive, cerebral and deliberate runner who takes advantages of the mismatches that he sees from the defense. And he did it time after time after time. Every time they needed him. He came up with the play to show that Vanderbilt has guys that are actual difference makers on their football team right now and LSU doesn't the 21.

[Tate Frazier]

Yard rush for the touchdown to win the game essentially. Right. I mean it, it was even more damning to me that LSU decided to kick and punt the ball back to him. Right. With how he had been playing that entire game. It's like we're going to trust our defense even though we have two timeouts, a two minute warning. Why would you give him the opportunity there to get the ball back? Was fascinating to me. Yes, I know it's fourth and eight. Yes, I know I was late in that game, but I felt like he took that as a sign of disrespect. He's a guy that wore a Pooh Shiesty mask to the game. He had an expectation to win. Right. I mean this, the confidence of Diego Pavia is at an all time high.

[Joel Klatt]

He's got real, he's got real swag, you know, I mean like a lot of people try to affect it or whatever, but it's like you can tell that it's actually authentic with him. He like he believes his own hype, he believes his own man. And you know, I have to respect.

[Tate Frazier]

And Johnny Manziel is one, you know what I mean?

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah, Manziel, his mentor, you know, I, yeah, it's like it's, you could tell it's an authentic belief and I mean, how could you not think that you were special? I didn't have any offers coming out of Albuquerque, New Mexico. This Saturday. I beat lsu. You know, that's. I mean, what an incredible story, man.

[Tate Frazier]

Lee also deserves some credit as well.

[Joel Klatt]

About to get some people fired, probably.

[Tate Frazier]

Brian Kelly, also a Brian Kelly disciple, right? I mean, he's a guy that learned under Brian Kelly. He just outclassed him today.

[Van Lathan]

Clark Lee was fantastic. The whole team was fantastic. I really. I'm really hoping we can move on to some other games now because I got a lot of work to do energetically. But what I. I will say is this something else, you know, about Johnny Manziel. You know, we used to be Johnny Manziel. Johnny Manziel never had real success against lsu, so there was always something that we could take away from the Johnny Manziel era, where he terrorized the rest of the sec, won a Heisman Trophy, then had another great season, is that he didn't have those types of games against lsu. And that's another reason why this one hurts, because he was the puppeteer for Diego Pavia to go out there and get his. Get back against lsu, they didn't storm the field. Brian Kelly gets into the press conference. This is another reason why what Joel said drove me up a wall. Because at least you would want answers for from the head coach as to why that just happened. Why the smart kids just dominated the strong kids. Okay? Why did that happen? Not to say our guys aren't smart. Sure. All of those brothers are smart. All of those white boys are smart. Whatever nationality I'm woke up, I want. I don't want anybody.

[Tate Frazier]

Everybody's smart.

[Van Lathan]

Okay? Everybody smart.

[Joel Klatt]

Everybody.

[Van Lathan]

All right, whatever. Everyone's smart. But you know, it. That happens. And what does Coach Kelly say? Well, we didn't execute the details the next year plan.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, right.

[Van Lathan]

No, he essentially said in the press conference we had the right plan for players. Didn't do it. What do you want? Like, wait, wait, wait. What do you want from me? Joe, like, Joe, what do you want? He said I put him in the right position.

[Tate Frazier]

He smirked as he said it.

[Van Lathan]

Van. It was Joe, what do you want from me? Earlier in the season, he told us that we were spoiled. You goddamn right we're spoiled. Three national championships, six SEC championships, two Heisman Trophy winners play for another national championship, all since the year 2000. You goddamn right we're spoiled. And we want to keep being spoiled.

[Joel Klatt]

And.

[Van Lathan]

And you know who's not going to spoil us? You. You're a bad dad. You're a bad dad, Brian Kelly. You don't spoil. You don't spoil. You take like you're bad. What? Joel calls everyone daddy. That's Joel Sting. No big daddy. Once again, you're no daddy, Brian Kelly. You're no daddy. You're no daddy at all.

[Joel Klatt]

I don't call everybody daddy, though. I don't call everybody.

[Van Lathan]

You call a lot of people daddy. You asked me in the thing. Hold on for a second. Let's go back to the textbook. Let's go back to.

[Joel Klatt]

I'm doing your thing.

[Van Lathan]

I was doing your bit.

[Joel Klatt]

I didn't know that you had moved on to. I didn't know that you moved on to prop.

[Tate Frazier]

He's hoisted the bit on the. Joe.

[Van Lathan]

I'm looking at him right now, Joe, because you act like you don't do it. Joe, you asked me right here. You asked me, is Xavion Thomas a daddy? You asked me.

[Tate Frazier]

Great touchdown run by Javion.

[Van Lathan]

Did you say that? Did you ask me that question, yes or no? Did you ask me if Xavion Thomas was a daddy? You asked.

[Joel Klatt]

Answer first. If he's a daddy.

[Van Lathan]

See you. You See you. You asked me if he's a daddy. No. There are no daddies. We have no daddies. We are the orphans.

[Joel Klatt]

Man, that's too bad. You know, it's kind of funny. Okay, just real quick, before you move on, can like, I mean, a little perspective. Y' all didn't have weeks today.

[Van Lathan]

We did not. They're not the only player we didn't have.

[Joel Klatt]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

Other guys that we have.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, the other week's brother had a good game. Yeah, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

You guys, he. Yeah, we didn't have weeks. Great. Y', all, you understand what the deal is? Do you understand that, like, we should be able to be down a couple of players? And look, you can tell on that breakaway run that Kaden Durham was not healthy. You could tell the kid's got 10, 3 speed. He's been. He's had a nagging injury the entire year. A couple of different nagging injuries. You could tell he didn't house that. But the fact that he did not house it, I knew we weren't going to score a touchdown because Joe Sloan and the offensive play calling inside of the 20, particularly inside the 10, has been so bad all year. It's been so bad for a while, and there's nothing really that we can do about it. We just kind of got away. But the point is, in past years, being down a couple of guys, you would rest those guys against Vandy Yeah, you can't do that anymore. I get it. They got a good thing going over there. Vandy. I understand it. I totally get it. But the reality is it's not about them being Vandy as much as is about us being lsu. And right now, we're not lsu. We're not.

[Joel Klatt]

What's the next segment on Locked on Tigers? Go.

[Tate Frazier]

Shout out to tigers dot com. Yeah, they're covering it, you know, hard and heavy. And if you go to the comments, Brian Kelly's getting absolutely roasted. So. Van, you're not alone. There's an army. You lost the logo, by the way. The logo is gone.

[Van Lathan]

Damn.

[Joel Klatt]

Another loss, another L. Man, that's whack. Hey, man, people are in the comments. They're saying, is Diego Pazia Heisman Contender 70 say yes.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, he would have to be in the.

[Tate Frazier]

We don't really have anyone that is elevated at this point to be the Heisman. So Diego Pavia is definitely putting his name in the pot. And honestly, the two red zone turnovers he had against Alabama, I mean, you know, if the things play out differently there, who knows? I mean, he would be the runaway favorite at this point. The other big game, I want to talk about Georgia Ole Miss Lane Kiffin versus Kirby Smart. We had Miss Terry Saban's wife come on game day today talking about how Nick Saban would not be coming back to college football because the babies needs. You did not call them daddy. She called them babies need. Need the opportunity at a place like Penn State. Talking about Kirby and Lane. Lane, you know, obviously had a lot of fun going into this game. Did some hot yoga this morning. A lot of conversations about these two coaches going into this game. Lane Kiffin's offense looks incredible early. The communication is great. They score on their first five drives and then all of a sudden Georgia does what they do best, which is get down and claw their way back into a game. A huge fourth and one conversion. They got late to go down and score a touchdown to get the lead back in this one. And Georgia survives. How much are we buying into the fact that Georgia can just figure out how to win these games, even though they don't look like the best team throughout the game, and they just continue to find a way. And obviously a very different Georgia team, not the defense we've seen in the past. Van, did you watch this game? Did you. Did you have any thoughts on the Dogs?

[Van Lathan]

I did watch it. Okay. A couple of things. Number one, so interesting to see Georgia just be in a situation where teams walk the Ball up and down the field. Ole Miss did what they wanted to do on offense. It reminded me sort of of the Ole Miss, LSU game from a couple of years ago with. With. With Jaden Daniels was a really, really high scoring game. And LSU ended up losing by one possession. Where you thought that the team that people expected to win had put enough distance between. Ah, man, you know, what happened before that game? We did a live show in Oxford. Anyway, we'll say more.

[Joel Klatt]

I mean, do you wish.

[Van Lathan]

No, no, no, no. I mean, what did you stop? You know, the old times.

[Tate Frazier]

Good times.

[Joel Klatt]

Good career.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, yeah. Happens. And in now, you know, in this. In this game today, you just kept thinking that this was going to be the game that Ole Miss was going to officially announce that they were here.

[Tate Frazier]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

And when. I mean, here. I mean, the class of the conference being LSU doesn't make you the class of the conference anymore. We've talked about it. It's just true. Even through reputation, beating Georgia is still important. Alabama did it. Alabama does it pretty regularly. That is what it is. Even when Georgia was the dominant force in college football, that they were going back a couple of years, reputationally, I really feel like this is a game that Ole Miss needed. This. This was a game that they needed. Eventually they're gonna have to announce that they're an actual national championship player, that they are a team that can actually go out and get it done. And you need some of these pelts on the wall if you're gonna do it. Georgia, defensively, the fact that their culture is still strong enough that they can overcome what is a glaring problem that they have, which is the defense and win these games, that says a lot about who they are. It's not the same Georgia of old, but they're still better than Ole Miss, man.

[Joel Klatt]

It's just funny because, I mean, Ole Miss did beat LSU that again, once.

[Tate Frazier]

The point.

[Van Lathan]

What's the point? At that point?

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah. I'm just saying, it's just kind of like. I mean, oh, Miss was good.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, Kalika, go in my safe and get me and get the. And get. You know what I'm saying? Get the fucking. Go in my safe and get the.

[Joel Klatt]

You know.

[Tate Frazier]

Because.

[Van Lathan]

Because that's the only thing you gonna learn. That's the only way. It's right by the bed. Go in the safe and get my joke. Keep around.

[Joel Klatt]

Speaking of, I'm gonna be in LA this week. I do need to be careful.

[Tate Frazier]

That is true.

[Joel Klatt]

Joe's coming out. We're gonna be.

[Tate Frazier]

Check yourself. Speaking of Gunner Stockton we have to point this out. 26, 31, 289, four touchdowns passing. Also 10 for 59 in a touchdown rushing. An incredible offensive performance for Gunner Stockton. And this is coming on the heels of, you know, his predecessor, Carson Beck, throwing four picks for Miami on Friday night. So for Georgia fans, this was a sight for Soraz to see Gunner Stockton kind of get unleashed in this game. And he was a superstar. Chambliss was incredible early, obviously, like all those drives I mentioned before, all those scoring drives. But Gunner Stockton really held it down late in this game.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah, no, he really did. He looks good. Solid. I mean, it's not like Ole Miss has a dominant defense. This isn't the same defense that had all that portal talent, you know, when they, when they had stocked up for a national title run. It's not the same defense. Right, but it says something that he was able to. I mean, it's hard to go 26 of 31 against any, you know, modestly decent defense. And he did that and added the running element. The thing I was thinking about Georgia is that it is just kind of weird to me. They're gritty, you know, they're greedy. They're a real tough, you know, team, but they're just not dominant anymore. Like, I mean, you're watching to Vance Point about people walking the ball down the field and walking down the field on them. It's just like they didn't used to give up 35 points in three quarters. And I was thinking of. So I look, I looked this up. So the year that they won the national championship in 2021, they. The. The season high they gave up was 41 to Alabama in the SEC championship game. That's Bryce Young. That was the high. They did that to a Heisman Trophy winner. In the rematch, they helped them to 18. That was their second highest point total for the season, man. The next year they gave up 41 to Ohio State. That C.J. stroud a Mecca abuka Marvin Harris in the third. I mean, that'll happen. But other than that, this, this the second high that year was 30. And before that it was like 27. And you know, something like they've been.

[Van Lathan]

It's.

[Joel Klatt]

It's just weird to see people be able to move the ball on them. And I don't think they're so good. I don't think Gunna Stockton has so much moxie. I don't think Nate Frazier is such a great running back that if they find themselves in games like this over and over again that they're going to consistently win. Like, sometimes you don't get those bounces. Sometimes the team, you know, he missed deep late in the fourth quarter on somebody, somebody going up the seam. If he hits that, the game may be very different. I'm just saying, like they did win, but I just don't think you can count on that forever. Like they're just not the same overwhelming talent anymore. And I don't think that they've got so much moxy that they can just get away with it over and over again. I made a very good team. Not trying to diminish it or anything like that, but it's just, it's just a win, right?

[Van Lathan]

Right.

[Joel Klatt]

So we'll see.

[Van Lathan]

But what I'm saying is, to your point, I think that's a great point. But we saw them run out of magic against Alabama.

[Joel Klatt]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

We saw right. At times, you know, that game get really tight and Alabama, who, you know has risen like Lazarus to become a team that now you once again expect to go out on the field and win in the ways that you did of times of old. Right. We saw Georgia come up a couple plays short against them. So we know that it can and will happen. It just didn't happen against two teams that are seeking to dethrone Georgia in their stake as being new SEC powers. We saw that happen against Tennessee and we saw it happen against Ole Miss. And those are two teams that it just for the culture. So much about this is culture for the culture, for the belief system. You need to be able to say we're now here and we will beat Georgia when we have Georgia on the ropes. You say that if you're Ole Miss. You say that if you're Tennessee. Now, does this mean that you want to say that? Should I say, does this mean that these. There's any daylight between these teams? Obviously there's not. There's only a couple points of daylight between both teams. And when you look at the way the game was actually played, you saw Georgia off balance a lot by what Ole Miss was doing on offense and what Ole Miss was able to do. Man, Kiffin went deep in his bag on some of those. There was one where there was a direct snap to the running back. The running back then ran like a read option to the qb. QB takes it in. It's a. It's a lot of stuff that they had going on because they understood just for the future and the vitality of the program how important this game was. Ole Miss pro still in the driver's seat to make the Playoff. I'm not saying that they won't, but I'm saying at some point, if Lane Kiffin is going to become the guy in Oxford that the people believe will go and win a national championship, he's going to have to win a couple of those games. And he hasn't. Hasn't yet.

[Joel Klatt]

Oh, Miss. Y' all need to be happy, man. Be. I mean, just be. Be grateful that you're having this era of Joe.

[Van Lathan]

What? What?

[Joel Klatt]

Be grateful.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, Joel, what kind of loser do you be on?

[Tate Frazier]

Oh.

[Van Lathan]

That'S not that. They didn't hire. We didn't. They didn't. They didn't hire Lane.

[Joel Klatt]

We the nerds.

[Van Lathan]

For them to go and, like, be okay to lose close to Georgia. They want to win the game.

[Joel Klatt]

What if her man would say, but again, don't we play to win the game? I'm trying to remember if the way Ralph Wy put this, he said, at a certain age, too much ambition can be embarrassing. Like, it can be kind of humiliating. Look, bro, Ole Miss has not really contended, and I don't think they've won a conference championship since segregation, bro. Like, you know, like, since the Jim Crow year years. So that is who they are as a program. That's fine. And they're doing. They're doing really good. This is. These are the best years they've had.

[Van Lathan]

Like, I don't.

[Joel Klatt]

I'm just saying, if you told Lane Kiffin, because they know they've got a good thing with Lane Kiffin.

[Tate Frazier]

If you told Ole Miss they weren't gonna punt until the fourth quarter and that Georgia would get zero sacks in this game, Ole Miss would say, we won the game. You know what I mean? Like, if you just gave them those two notes.

[Joel Klatt]

If. If I told you Ole Miss fan, at the beginning of the year, I'm like, I'm not going to tell you how it. But you're going to split lsto and Georgia, you think that have been happy with that? If I told that at the beginning of the season.

[Van Lathan]

Be honest with you. It depends on which game was one. It depends on if you told them right now they were. They were going to be.

[Tate Frazier]

Look, they want to win the road.

[Van Lathan]

They want to win the Magnolia bowl is a farce, okay? Nobody cares. Nobody cares. Okay? We. We sort of care, right? LSU has a bunch of sort of care. Rivalries, right? Really? Our own rivalry is ourself. We sort of care about the Magnolia Bowl. We sort of care about. Right. It's me. We sort of care, man.

[Joel Klatt]

You said Magnolia for so Long. I thought it was the egg bowl. I was like, man, we care about the egg bowl.

[Van Lathan]

Like we, we, we sort of care. The Alabama thing was a real thing, but it was because of our relationship to Nick Saban and because Alabama was the measuring stick of the conference and particularly the west at that time, Auburn, whatever, all of that stuff. In this particular game, though, I have a different question. If you'd have asked them which game was more important for them to win, to solidify what they want to be, which is have to have a national reput reputation as a winning team, which game would they have wanted? And I think it would have been a Georgia game. I think it would have been a game against a team that's been a measuring stick in college football going back for a little while. And look, no college football fan base, particularly in the sec, besides Vandy and maybe a couple of others, is rational about where the team is going to be, especially if they've put as much into the program as of recent as Ole Miss has. Ole Miss collective has been out there, I think it's called the Grove Collection has been out there working. They have been giving Lane Kiffin everything that he needs. Lane Kiffin himself is a high dollar coach. They are not spending money like a program that doesn't expect to go and win and compete for national championships.

[Joel Klatt]

You, I mean they, unless they have dementia, they're dreaming, they're, they're aspiring for a time that has never existed in their lifetime. So I'm just saying. And again, they should, they should expect to be competitive and to win, but you're going to have to lose a couple of games a year. Nobody thought Ole Miss was going to go undefeated this year, let alone at Georgia. Right. So I just, you know, they lost, they played, they acquitted themselves very, very well. Trinidad Chambers again, he'd never played against that caliber athlete before and he looked.

[Tate Frazier]

Pretty and they made adjustments on the D line. We were talking about this like the pass rush was not getting to chambless. So they started dropping back and timing his passes. He's, you know, about 511, 6ft.

[Joel Klatt]

So he looked like a D2 quarterback.

[Tate Frazier]

It's a couple times they started timing his passes and block. I mean the last play of the game, the 4th and 10, I mean they, they timed that and swatted down. Right. I mean, so it was great course correction in game and it was beautiful to see like a defensive mastermind in Kirby Smart, an offensive mastermind obviously with Lane Kiffin go at it toe to toe and Kirby Smart wins.

[Van Lathan]

Again.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah. Well, also, funny thing. I mean, Florida, man, what are y' all doing? Are y' all gonna be able to fire Billy Napier off of a win? Now that looks like they're about to beat Mississippi State. They're going crazy. And they're up by two with 21 seconds ago. Look like they got the ball. So, I mean, they gonna fire Billy?

[Tate Frazier]

The best coach on the hot seat we've ever seen, Billy Napier.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah, I was, like, giving them boys play hard for him, man. They really do.

[Van Lathan]

It looks like SC has taken the lead against Notre Dame. 20 versus 13. Another pretty big game. There've been some other really important performances that have taken place. This. This saying in Ohio State. Ohio State looks after what happened. We haven't even talked about, you know, it's been so much talk about lsu, no discussion about the debacle last night in South Florida. Tate, do you want to talk about that? You want to get into that a little bit, maybe spread the misery around? Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

Let's start with the Hurricanes. I did want to ask that question, one big question here. Who is having a bigger crash out today, Van Lathan or Michael Irvin? Let's. Let's lob that up to the people. Let's see if we can get a response here. Van Lathan versus Michael Irvin. We love Michael Irvin. I'm sure he's upset right now. He's probably trying to figure out his ways to make Miami back. But Carson Beck was the real problem. He even throws his receiver under the bus after this game when he throws his fourth pick. He said he ran the wrong route. They actually had a good play drawn up. But the Hurricanes, we. We mentioned this on the show on Wednesday. Friday night, frights for the Hurricanes, they have been number two. They have played an ACC opponent. They lost in 2016 to Pitt. 2017, they lose to Syracuse. They do it again in 2025. Right when you thought that Miami was back, they are not back anymore. Joe, I know you said this is your biggest thing. Let's start there with the U. What are your thoughts on what we saw on Friday?

[Joel Klatt]

Oh, well, I mean, for all the people that keep thinking that the U is back, you know, Miami's back, man. They beat whoever. You know, they beat South Florida. They beat Florida. You know, they beat Notre Dame.

[Tate Frazier]

Notre Dame.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah, they beat Notre Dame. The. The. The U is back. The U is dead, and it's never coming back. Miami is a good football program, but the U, my brothers, that is over. And I mean, some of this is just based upon who Mario Cristobal is, by the way.

[Tate Frazier]

Oh, yeah, there you go.

[Van Lathan]

By the way.

[Joel Klatt]

By the way, gentlemen, can I read you a post on Blue sky real quick? Esk, if you will.

[Van Lathan]

See, you've been trying to skeet on us. That's your problem. You go around skating on people. Why don't you just try to love somebody and be positive you don't give it to us? Okay.

[Joel Klatt]

Anyway, let me just. Let me move on to Max from Spring, from Texas. He says, joel, I'm from Argentina. And he puts the parentheses Spanish speaking country. The way you pronounce Cristobal last name is perfect. Okay, so I blame it. Bien. Do y' all know what that means? Do you know what that means?

[Tate Frazier]

What is that pronunciation?

[Joel Klatt]

Talk to me nice. Talk to me nice. I know what I'm talking about. I took Spanish. I took Spanish into college. I took Spanish every year of my life since I was in first grade.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, what is going on?

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[Joel Klatt]

So I know. I know how that works.

[Tate Frazier]

Is too safe over there.

[Van Lathan]

Can I ask you one question? Just one question? How does Mario Crystal Ball say his name? I mean he made that man respect that man, bro.

[Tate Frazier]

You're saying that he's been American.

[Joel Klatt]

That's the Americanized version. And I'm telling you, the people from the motherland know what it's how it's supposed to be said. But that's fine. He can do whatever you want anyway. Moving on.

[Tate Frazier]

Jeremiah Love touchdown for Notre Dame. By the way. Shout out.

[Van Lathan]

The score is tied up now after. After the extra point.

[Joel Klatt]

They just. I mean Miami just does dumb thing like I as good as they look. That's why I never fully bought into that thing this year because I'm like, man, they always do something stupid. Or Mario CRO. I mean he'll always lose a game like this. You know what I mean? Crystal Ball. Somebody that is familiar with the language.

[Van Lathan]

Bro. We're trying to launch.

[Joel Klatt]

I'm having to do this America's version of the name and it's very difficult for me. So I'm sorry. We're trying to launch.

[Van Lathan]

We try to launch the show. Joe wants to talk about Maryland football and pronounce the coach's names wrong. Let's get back into the game.

[Joel Klatt]

I was just letting people know two.

[Van Lathan]

Things about this game. I think for some reason we all felt like this was going to be a spooky game for Miami.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

The Friday night thing for the. For these ACC powers is terrifying. Whatever it is is if it's because it you're on a short week is because your rhythm is off. Is or is it because they they specific. They schedule a specific type of team on those Friday nights which is a lively team that it's their super bowl. Be it Virginia be in Louisville. Louisville who is a program on the rise. And so you're going to get a hell of a run there on a short week almost in a look past situation. Now Miami should not be in any look past situations because they've really conquered the toughest challenges on their schedule. Right. It beat Notre Dame. You know, Florida State was seemingly a tough challenge. Seemingly Miami was. The rest of their season was about handling business and getting to the playoff, peeking in the right way and avoiding major injury. They fell apart last night.

[Joel Klatt]

Right. They can't they can't afford to lose another game because I mean, they don't, I don't think they play anybody ranked again the rest of the year.

[Tate Frazier]

Maybe Georgia Tech and the ACC championship game. But also Georgia Tech could be coming off a loss to Georgia, you know what I mean? So there's a world in which Georgia Tech could be going 10 to 2.

[Van Lathan]

Miami.

[Joel Klatt]

Last year didn't get in, but.

[Van Lathan]

10 and 2 Miami gets in this year 10 and 2.

[Joel Klatt]

Last year they didn't get in and last year they had the number one.

[Tate Frazier]

They need Notre Dame to keep it up too.

[Joel Klatt]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

Notre Dame continues to play well with what Miami. I, I feel like this year a 10 and 2 Miami would have, would have to make the playoff.

[Tate Frazier]

Do you agree with Saban? Van Saban said today on game day that he thought it was good that Miami lost. Now, I wouldn't go that far that it's to going good that they lost, but it was good to, I guess get tested at that level and also show that, you know, I had some people reach out to me that said, you know, Carson Beck, they go out on Thursdays. So, you know, college night is Thursday night. So you know what I mean? That could be something to do with.

[Joel Klatt]

The Friday, they say, keeping them home, huh?

[Van Lathan]

Okay, so they got Stanford, SMU, Syracuse, NC State, Tech and Pittsburgh coming up.

[Joel Klatt]

Sorry, man.

[Van Lathan]

Not very much chances for window dressing there.

[Tate Frazier]

Watch out for NC State.

[Joel Klatt]

Well, don't you think, don't you think though, like for Carson Beck to go through that, that it just. The thing that is really troubling about the four interceptions is that you could tell that like his confidence was slipping, you know, as the game got deeper. I was never under the illusion that Carson Beck was going to lead them back to win that game. Like, I just didn't, I didn't think he could do it. And I just wonder that you hope that's not the sort of thing that crops back up again and it won't, it won't crop up against teams you're supposed to beat like Stanford, like, it just won't. But when you're in a moment of crisis and they need him to make a play in a dirty pocket, you know, every people are covered now. You're not playing against, you know, whatever quality Louisville quality DBs, which is, you know, not bad, but that, you know, that's not going to be what Ohio State brings to you. Will he be able to do it? Will he have the confidence to do it? That was, and that was one of the Things that would troubled him in Georgia. So that's. I don't know, man, that's. That.

[Van Lathan]

Do you consider Notre Dame to be a team like that though? Because that game was highly competitive and he made some really big plays and some really big throws to, to beat Notre Dame in that game. Like, look, Carson Beck played awful last night. He played with a lack of competitive focus that if I were a Miami fan, I would be concerned about. You know, quarterbacks throw interceptions. Sometimes they make a bad read, they throw an interception, sometimes they get over ambitious, they throw an interception. Some of the balls he threw that were picked off in that game, they weren't any of that. They were just throws where it didn't seem like there was any plan from the quarterback on them.

[Joel Klatt]

And.

[Van Lathan]

And even if we take the last throw away, because that was a great play by the defender right there, he still was reckless with the ball in a way that suggested to me that he didn't really respect the fact that Louisville was an actual threat to win that football game.

[Tate Frazier]

And they're in field goal range. Like, worst case scenario, you're going overtime.

[Joel Klatt]

That's what.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, you could blame the play call on that.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah, yeah, you have that guy. See, that's the thing, because I was wondering, I was. At first I was like, why is Mario Crystal Ball playing for a field goal? Because I mean, he had, did. He had done that against Notre Dame. And I thought, oh, man, that's gonna, that's gonna come back to bite you. Like, you better be try to be aggressive in this moment. And then he was aggressive and Carson Beck threw the pick and I was like, oh, okay. That's why, that's why, that's why, like. Right. Yeah, there's just. I can't. You know, it's like Drew Aller. You know what I mean? It's like, ah, I don't know, maybe I should hand it off here. So I, I'm. Now it makes a little bit more sense to me, but either way it suggests a real problem. By the way, Texas Tech goes down. Guns down. They lost. First loss of the year. And my boys, UCLA up over Maryland. In the Joel ball.

[Van Lathan]

In the Joel ball.

[Joel Klatt]

Seven three. UCLA over there.

[Van Lathan]

Ucla. Okay, okay.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Football being paid right now. Play right now. Oregon Ruggers, we continue this. We want to see the way Oregon bounces back. Indiana already won today.

[Tate Frazier]

Kind of a sluggish game for Indiana.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, yeah, sluggish game for them. Probably a lot of stuff going on in Bloomington this week to talk about. To talk about. Kurt Signetti would he stay, would he go? And then he's, you know, of course rewarded with untold monies, guaranteed money. They played, they paid him like he was a starting small forward.

[Joel Klatt]

11 million.

[Tate Frazier]

LeBron numbers.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, they paid him, but. So 93 million. Okay, 93 million guarantee in the NBA. Who is that? Who would that be? Who gets. Who would get 93 million in the NBA? You're a good, strong starter on a championship team. Like, you're drawing holiday.

[Joel Klatt]

Oh, okay. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, no, Van Fleet. Van Fleet, that's like a guy.

[Tate Frazier]

You get like five year, hundred million dollar deal, right?

[Van Lathan]

Five year, hundred million dollar deal, all guaranteed. So they really believe in him. They kept him home. So it's probably, probably. I expected maybe a little bit of slugging this sluggishness from them, but the fact that they were able to win the game just says they got a good culture, you know.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah, they came off an emotional high, like to come back and win. The winning is the most important thing in that circumstance. Right?

[Tate Frazier]

So, yeah, yeah, it's tough for Penn State fans right now. Matt Rule, obviously was the name on the list. They get kind of embarrassed against Minnesota. So that was a tough loss for the Matt Rule.

[Joel Klatt]

That boy came right out like, I mean, it's your week. Matt Rule, you know, Kirk Signetti, he's got the deal. Matt Rule, you're going to come home. You're the guy everybody seems to be leaning towards. And then your team puts up that performance on tape on national television, bro. I mean, they didn't have over 200 yards of offense until basically. Until they basically started playing in prevent defense.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, garbage time, right?

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah, garbage time stuff. I was like, man, they look really bad. That was. I just. I don't know. I mean, again, it just. I'm trying to remember who it was that said this. Maybe it was Nick Wright. He said something along the lines of, man, I just can't imagine giving all this up for Matt Rule, right? Like this, you know, this is the guy that you have targeted to replace James Franklin. And that's. So that's this sort of thing. I was like, that's the kind of loss that you all would be mad at James Franklin for having, like, losing to Minnesota like that.

[Van Lathan]

I agree with that. And I think that the Matt Rule era at Nebraska hasn't, you know, been what a lot of people expected it to be. To be. Especially since, you know, this year is normally the year that his teams take off, but there are other things that are going on with his cultural connection to Penn State. How he knows the program, how he knows the culture at Penn State where.

[Tate Frazier]

People are saying it's his alma mater.

[Van Lathan]

I'm pretty sure it's like, it's, it's, it's seems to be a good fit from multiple standpoints. If, if, if he were to go there, maybe he would be in a better situation than he is right now at Nebraska. I don't know what Penn State will do. I think it'll be interesting. I happen to think that the name that they go and get is probably going to surprise us because I, I, I do, I think, no, they're not gonna go with, but I think that it's going to be a name that surprises us because it's going to be a glass half full hire at Penn State. They're going to go and get someone that they feel like can disrupt the college football culture and, and make them a little bit splashier so that they can compete at the highest levels. They need a guy if they're going to be a team like Georgia. If they're going to be a team, you know, like Alabama in years past and they need a Saban or Kirby Smart, they're going to try to go find that guy.

[Tate Frazier]

And it is fascinating because Manny Diaz was a name that was thrown out there. Obviously. Duke, they pretty much shot themselves in the foot today. I mean, they could have easily won that game against Georgia Tech. Instead, Georgia tech is now 7 0, first time since 1966. I did want to ask about maybe a Brent Key. I know Georgia Tech's his alma mater as well, but that could be a name under the radar that gets thrown out there. Clark Lee of Vanderbilt, another name that could be thrown out there for that job. You know what I mean? So there's, yeah, go get the vendor man.

[Joel Klatt]

If, if you, if you, if you win in Vanderbilt, it's a good predictor of success, Success in how you might do Penn State.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah. And he's done it before, so I mean that I feel like Urban Meyer was a name that I saw getting thrown out there. Obviously Nick Saban was asked about it, his interest in Penn State. Those feel like shoot for the stars, no chance of happening. But I guess you got to make the phone call. It does feel like it's going to be closer to earth. Who ends up getting that job?

[Joel Klatt]

Well, you know, it's, don't you think, why don't people, I mean, I know why people don't have art brows, but I just kind of thought we were over that as a society. Like we're Just, it's kind of anything goes.

[Van Lathan]

What the are you on, Jo?

[Joel Klatt]

Well, I'm just saying we're over that as a society. Like, there's no rules anymore.

[Van Lathan]

Why don't they just go get Jerry Sanduski, bring him back? What are you. What the.

[Tate Frazier]

Was he.

[Van Lathan]

I think, like, it's. It's like. Like they're not gonna hire Art Ralph. That's over, dog. They're not like.

[Joel Klatt]

I'm just like. Well, I mean, what do you. What do you.

[Tate Frazier]

Why said Fitzgerald. Pat Fitzgerald from Northwestern was the name that he threw out.

[Van Lathan]

Tate, we gotta stay on our brows for a second. No, I want the entire college football community. I didn't say they should do that. I didn't say they should do it for Art Browse. I'm not saying give them the Penn State job. I want everyone. If you kids are young, Google Art brows and then go down to the personal section. Don't go through the football.

[Joel Klatt]

The office coordinator at my alma mater, you know, and he was the one that was like, man, do you like hot white women? We need to come on down to Baylor. I mean, that's. I mean, that's not. That is the guy that is calling the shots for Josh Hoover right now.

[Tate Frazier]

The Jerry Newheiser Barnes again.

[Joel Klatt]

What are we pretending. What are we. Why are we pretending as a society that we care about any of that stuff anymore? I just.

[Van Lathan]

Anyway, I'm telling you right now, it's fine. Well, how about this? Look, I don't actually give a fuck, but I'm telling you right now, it's a wild situation to call for Art Bras to be given the Penn State job. Can you imagine. Can you imagine right now when you say Art Brian comes out?

[Joel Klatt]

This is not funny. But it's just.

[Van Lathan]

Can you imagine what the. What the fucking press conference is gonna be about?

[Joel Klatt]

Oh, you know what? Now that you say it like that just made. You know what?

[Van Lathan]

The whole press conference is going to be about the safety of the women on campus. And happy. It's like, you can't. No, he got a ways to go, bro.

[Joel Klatt]

What if he.

[Van Lathan]

What if.

[Joel Klatt]

What if you had heard Art Bras had been on the Epstein? The Epstein.

[Van Lathan]

What if they were just like, say.

[Joel Klatt]

If you think you hung out with Jeffrey Epstein, man, we don't think you could be the head coach at Penn State. Well, damn, that's a low stakes ass job.

[Tate Frazier]

I gotta read I talking about Penn State. James Franklin was on college game day. He was in Athens. I did want to read this quote to you guys I want to get your reaction to it. So James Franklin was asked about national championships, chasing them at Penn State. He said, quote, I thought we were going to win a national championship there. That goal hasn't changed. We're now going to win a national championship somewhere else, end quote. Joel, do you think that James Franklin will win a national championship somewhere else?

[Joel Klatt]

No, because I don't think he's ever going to get a job again as good as Penn State. I think that if he had stayed at Penn State that he would eventually would have won a national championship in the world that I'm envisioning, which is a generation ago where you could, you know, coach somewhere for 25 years if you mostly were a pretty good to great team every year, I think he could have done that. But yeah, I think that more than likely he's going to end up at some place like Maryland. He might be a terp, you know, right across, right up the street.

[Tate Frazier]

Virginia Tech.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah, Virginia Tech, something like that. Yeah. Like, I think he's just going to go to a school that he'll be.

[Tate Frazier]

Competitive and do, maybe South Carolina if Shane Beamer goes to Virginia Tech and beats him.

[Joel Klatt]

This is again, this is the, the Kurt Signetti, Clark Lee thing again. It's just like, like, what is wrong with you guys? Why can't you win in these jobs? You know, like you have no excuses. Indiana and Vanderbilt, two of the worst schools and power for the, the doormats of their respective conferences are really good right now. Why can't you all do that?

[Van Lathan]

And so he ain't taking none of them types of jobs. Let me tell you the type of jobs that, that, that Franklin is going to take, okay? He's going to take a job, a major job at an opening from a beleaguered fan base. So a Florida type situation. Florida right now, it would take the Florida fans four years right now to realize that James Franklin had them as a very good program, but not an elite program. Because when you have the expectations that you do at a place like Florida and you're going out and you're going, you know, five and five or whatever, six and four like you, you can't, you can't really win in the way that you should. You're seven and five team and it's Florida, the first thing that you want is for that to stop. You want somebody to restore you to the upper echelon of college football, get you there and then solidify you as that. Then once you've gotten there, you can then start bellyaching about whether or not that coach has what it takes to beat the Alabamas and the Georgias and the Ohio states and all of that, which is what happened with Penn State. But before you actually get super duper pissed off, you just want to be back. And James Franklin has demonstrated that he can get you back. Back. The question is, can he get you over the rest of the places that you guys are talking about that he might go? If he couldn't win a, if he couldn't win a national championship at Penn State, then, and he still wants to do that, then why would he go to a place like that where it's going to be way harder than what it is to win a national championship at Penn State?

[Joel Klatt]

Because that's the place that's going to happen, by the way.

[Van Lathan]

I doubt that. No, no, no, no, no. James Franklin, I like. I, I don't. I think that James Franklin, I mean, if those. Hold on. If those places are in fact the only places that will hire him, then he might go to one of them. But I don't think that those places will be the only places that would be looking to hire James Franklin. I don't think that that's true.

[Joel Klatt]

In the chat then, by the way, people are pointing out that what you said about Florida could very easily apply to the school whose hoodie you're wearing currently.

[Van Lathan]

But there's, there's one difference, though.

[Joel Klatt]

Oh, okay. What's up?

[Van Lathan]

So the difference is for us is that the last three coaches that have come through have won national championships. And so there's a thought. So, so there's a thought at LSU that we're not as down right now as what a Florida is. Right. LSU had an undefeated greatest of all team type team five, six years ago. So we have, we might not have gotten to the point yet. I don't think the fan base, I can tell you right now, the fan base of LSU would freak the fuck out if they hired James Franklin. They would.

[Joel Klatt]

I was gonna say, I was gonna, I was gonna ask you that. Yeah, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Now if LSU was 2 and 7 or 2 and 2 and 8, 2 and 10 or whatever, if it was 3, 4, Wisconsin. Right?

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. If you were in that situation, it's different. LSU still thinks, right now, remember this team was ranked 10th on the field today. They, they still think right now that they're with the recruiting classes and with the amount of nil money that they're hovering around, the, the era, the, the reputation, the smoke of elite. And so they want somebody that can push them through. And they don't look at the program as something necessarily that has to be fixed as much as some of the other places would be. I'm not saying that they're right. I'm saying that's the feeling from a lot of the people that I talk to.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah, that's fair. That's a fair. That's a. That's a. That's a very fair point. Yeah. And I. That's. Which is why I think that Franklin's gonna have to go to the Terps, which makes sense. That's where he made his name. You know, that was. I mean, you know, he. And he recruits very well.

[Tate Frazier]

So bad. Joe wants Maryland football to be back.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah, man, I have, I have some affection for Maryland.

[Tate Frazier]

We need some Under Armour Maryland.

[Joel Klatt]

But the only man that I'm not.

[Tate Frazier]

Gonna talk about, I wanted to do a start, bench cut. And this is hypothetical because obviously two of the jobs are taken right now. But if we have Pins State, Florida, lsu, all open. Start, bench cut, best job.

[Van Lathan]

Penn State, Florida, lsu, all open.

[Tate Frazier]

They're all, let's, let's say hypothetically, like Billy Nape here, he finally loses and they fire him. Kelly, they raised the money to fire him. And then those three jobs are open. They have the full canvas to go find a head coach. Who, who, how do they rank it? Start, bench, cut.

[Joel Klatt]

I got it, I got it. Start, start is lsu.

[Tate Frazier]

I agree.

[Joel Klatt]

I mean, again, every kid is being points out all the time. If you come from St. James, if you come from West Monroe, if you're.

[Tate Frazier]

Recruiting pool and the lineage of, you know, what they've been able to do, they.

[Joel Klatt]

They have their pick. They generally had to pick everybody that they want in Louisiana. And they can go into East Texas, they can go into Florida, they could go. You know, also the quote unquote, coolest.

[Tate Frazier]

Team in the sec, right? I would say LSU is the coolest team in there. Yeah.

[Joel Klatt]

And I mean, the atmosphere, like, it's just dope. It's a good, It's a good play. You should be able to win there. Bench for me is Florida, because partly what Van said, it's been a while, right? Like, they've not been in elite program in over a decade now. Like people, I mean, there are a lot of kids, they don't know shit about Tim Tebow, man. Yeah, that's an old man to them. They've never seen him play football. They don't care about that anymore. And I also think that Florida is kind of overrated as a job. Like, I mean, I think Gainesville, if you go there, is a nice college town, but it's not the easiest. It's not the closest that it's in part of Florida. That's not near South Florida, right? So you gotta go into South Georgia, you gotta get the kids out of North Florida and some into the Florida Bama stuff.

[Tate Frazier]

And you're going up against Kirby Smart head to head, right? I mean, that's really what's happening right now. That's the class of the sec. So that makes it even harder.

[Joel Klatt]

It's a. It's a much tougher job. And again, everybody recruits in Florida. You got two other big schools there, plus USF and ucf. It's just tough. And cut is Penn State, bro. And I. I mean, I went into that the last episode. I don't want to insult that school again or that program again, but they know where they are, and it's not near the major hotbeds of talent in this country anymore. It's a tougher school to convince kids to go to, and they've not won a national championship since 1986. To me, that kind of says it right there. It's like that. We're not even talking about a program that's operating at the level of Florida, lsu.

[Tate Frazier]

But right now, I think I agree with Joel. Number one job.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I think I agree with Joel about that order. I. I still believe in the Florida job. That's why it's tough. I still believe in the Florida job. I've seen it done. I've seen coaches come down there, win with the resources they have at Florida. I still believe in the floor job. That's the only thing that's stopping me from having an emphatic agreement with Joel and his order. I think that's the only order. You can make an argument about LSU and Penn State as well. I think that's the only order. Look, I should say this, you know, for as down as we are on LSU right now, and you guys, as.

[Joel Klatt]

Far as we down, we. You the one down.

[Van Lathan]

Hold on for a second.

[Joel Klatt]

You don't want down?

[Tate Frazier]

No. You got to be careful. He. He's got eggshells.

[Joel Klatt]

He's got a.

[Tate Frazier]

He's got a strap.

[Joel Klatt]

Hey, man, sit down, man.

[Tate Frazier]

He's gonna say he's gonna sit down very soon.

[Van Lathan]

What is that, Joel? This is my dad's lasso.

[Joel Klatt]

I was watching. All right, Joel.

[Van Lathan]

This is my dad's lasso.

[Joel Klatt]

Wow.

[Van Lathan]

I have a lasso in my room. This is my father's lasso. People don't. People don't believe my family, that I am the. I am the son of a hoodoo woman and a rodeo cowboy. My father was a rodeo cowboy. He cowboyed, he hunted, he fished. This is my dad's lasso. Joe, you come in to the ringer for core week. All right? I don't know how to hog ties. Well, guess what, Joel? I do know how to hog.

[Joel Klatt]

I believe. No, man, I. You know what? That's why I put that. Put that thing up. I'm gonna ask this question, and it's not to be. It's not the offend. Shout out your pops, man, he.

[Van Lathan]

Did he ever do.

[Joel Klatt]

Did he do rodeo stuff in Angola? Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. Just. Yeah, Help it. I was just like. It's a rodeo culture down there. It's actually a beautiful thing that they have going on at one of the worst places in the entire world. But that's a podcast for a different podcast. That's a narrative podcast.

[Tate Frazier]

That's a. That's a narrative series.

[Van Lathan]

You guys know about Angola prison football?

[Tate Frazier]

No, I don't.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, yeah. Did that inspire have actual, like, tackle football teams? They have tackle football teams and they play. It's actually a really, really interesting thing. Anyway, I. When you're looking at those three jobs, you can make an argument that maybe Penn State's in a better place than LSU is. I don't think that they are, but you can make an argument. But for whatever reason, maybe it's the SEC biasing me just again, I still believe the Florida job. Although overall, I think that your order is right, Joe.

[Tate Frazier]

I'm with you, Joel. I'm with you, man. I think that's a good call. Let's just do, like, a little around the horn here of games that are happening right now. Texas A and M's up on Arkansas 38, 27. That was kind of a close game for a little while. They made him sweat a little bit. So Bobby Petrino getting some love there. Wazoo up 17, seven on number 18, Virginia at halftime. So the ACC doing ACC things also since Zevi Eckhouse came in and started, you know, playing quarterback for Wazoo, they look at different teams. I mean, man, they are olements.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah, they scared the hell out of Ole Miss last week, man. So.

[Tate Frazier]

Yes. Yeah. So I want to give them some love. Number eight, Oregon destroying Rutgers. Greg Shiano's team not looking great today, but Oregon bounce back game. Texas has been struggling to score. They just finally scored. So they're up seven zero on Kentucky with about six minutes to go in that game. Alabama is up seven zero still in the first quarter of that game. First quarter. Also USC ten to seven over Notre Dame. Mizzou losing to Auburn right now. So Hugh Freeze trying to get a bounce back win, up 70 in that game. And then the Holy War just started. So any. Any last thoughts on the Holy War? I had a. I had some. A few Mormons that were in my mentions and also in my requests on Instagram, and they were not happy with some of our comments.

[Joel Klatt]

Wait, that's a real thing that happened? Morning hit you up on Facebook?

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, they. They. They were not happy. They, like, put the blame on me.

[Joel Klatt]

I don't know what it is.

[Tate Frazier]

They said. I said horrible stuff and all.

[Van Lathan]

I think I know why they put the blame on Ham.

[Joel Klatt]

The. Was it. What is it called?

[Van Lathan]

Because we're. What are we? Two sons of Ham.

[Joel Klatt]

Sons of Ham. I don't even seen that.

[Van Lathan]

I've seen that documentary. My grandmother showed it to me. We're two.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah. They were putting all the blame on me. Hey.

[Joel Klatt]

Oh, man.

[Van Lathan]

Don't think we don't know.

[Joel Klatt]

Control them. That's what they were saying.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, yeah. That's what they were telling you. They were like, hey, those two sons of Ham, the tribe of Ham or whatever they are, we can't control what they say. It's been handed down. But how could you do it?

[Tate Frazier]

I didn't even know I said anything.

[Van Lathan]

Nobody said anything to me. I didn't honestly don't think that I could read the comments.

[Joel Klatt]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

They would type. All right, so no one said anything to me. No one said anything to Joel.

[Tate Frazier]

I got a great rebuttal.

[Van Lathan]

More from you.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah. I got a good rebuttal. Now I'm like, why'd you just reach out to me?

[Joel Klatt]

That's good.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, why are you coming at me? I'm with my boys. Unless.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, we're just chopping it up in the chat.

[Joel Klatt]

You have them just like me.

[Van Lathan]

Unless you was politicking.

[Tate Frazier]

Nice little mute. You know what I mean? Like, I don't even do the block anymore because that. Because I know it makes them feel like they got something on me, but a mute, you know, I was like, I'll never see it again. Right.

[Van Lathan]

I do know that there are some guys that's funny that Joel knows about the Sons of Ham thing because that used to do numbers in. In Baton Rouge. But. But I do know that there are some guys that would get that type of feedback from them, and they would be like, yeah, I do my best, but, you know Controlling that type of energy, it's not really what I'm used to. And Bill put me in this situation.

[Tate Frazier]

I'm used to it. I'm having a good time. We're having.

[Van Lathan]

Ah, that's what I'm talking about.

[Joel Klatt]

That's what I'm talking about. Okay, can I. Can I read y' all a score? This, to me, is actually crazy, but I saw it unfolding earlier in the. In the day.

[Van Lathan]

What?

[Joel Klatt]

UAB 31, Memphis 24.

[Van Lathan]

I saw that, bruh.

[Joel Klatt]

I mean, the week. Trent Dill for the week. Do you want to talk about it, Tate?

[Van Lathan]

No.

[Tate Frazier]

I mean, yeah, yeah. Trent Dilfer gets fired from that job. He puts out a Bible verse after he gets fired. But, yeah, we never talked about Trent Dilfer. Funny story. Ringer related. Trent Dilfer was also one of almost my co host once upon a time. I'm very happy to be sitting here with you guys.

[Joel Klatt]

All right.

[Tate Frazier]

Once upon a time with Sons of Hamilton, with much maligned GM of UNC football. My guy, Michael Lombardi, when he left GM street, there was a time where Bill Simmons, our ball, shout out to Bill. Bill's always trying to look out. He's like, you're gonna still do the football show. I'm gonna get you another co host. I'm gonna make some phone calls. One of those phone calls, and the expectation was Trent Dilfer was going to be my co host, right? So we. We're supposed to set up a time, talk to each other, do the whole, you know, run around. He dodged me, like, five times, right? He never answered, did not want to talk to me. He's like, I hate this kid already. You know what I mean? And I didn't know him at all. And then we finally get on the phone. We had a terrible conversation. He did not want to do a show with me. And he. I think he, like, basically was like, I back out. You know, I disavow for back of a lack of a better term, you know what I mean? So Trent Dilford, not a fan, not a friend of the program.

[Joel Klatt]

It's funny because, you know, I used to call Trent Dilfer when I worked at ESPN to get his opinion about quarterback stuff. Like, I did a whole profile on Josh Rosen, and he famously had beef with Josh Rosen when Josh Rosen was at the Elite 11 camp, and that's when Trent Dilo ran.

[Tate Frazier]

Josh Rosen have something in common I need to reach out to.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah, you should hit him up, man. He's in business school. I think he's up at the ward.

[Van Lathan]

Getting that money getting to the money.

[Joel Klatt]

Man, you know, Shout out to Penn.

[Tate Frazier]

Great business school.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah, man, great school. Yeah. But, but, but Trent. Yeah, man. But it's just funny because he's one of the few people in the world that you can just know when he doesn't want to talk to you, you know?

[Tate Frazier]

Oh, yeah, he did not want to talk to me.

[Joel Klatt]

If you call me and I don't feel like talking to you, I'll be like, well, look, man, I got something going on or whatever. I'm just gonna be, oh, man. Good to talk to you, bubble. Look, man, I gotta. I gotta take care of one of these babies, you know? It's always a good excuse because it's usually true.

[Tate Frazier]

Because you're a daddy.

[Joel Klatt]

I'm a daddy, man. You know, Tate was going to say something about, man, I had a rough night last night. I have not slept, so I'm a little loopy today, you know? And Tate asked me before the show. He's like, hey, Joe, do you want me to bring this up or not? And I'm like, it kind of puts me in an awkward position because if I tell y' all that my son was in the ER all last night and I was with him through the night and into the morning, it sounds like, oh, you know, I'm trying to gin up some sort of sympathy or whatever. But if I don't bring it up, it's just kind of like, you know, whatever, you know? But, you know, we're all family here, right? Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah. And honestly, shout out to you for, like, you were just like, it's up to you. And then I had to do, like, the. The mathematics in my own mind where I'm like. I don't know when to bring this up because Van. Van really broke me when he came out with it with the. You know, the spirits. You know what I mean? Where we go with the show. But I'm glad that it all circled back and we can talk about it. So shout out to. Yo, Joel's a trooper today.

[Van Lathan]

Trooper. Shout out to little Joel. And that's glad he's feeling. I'm glad he's. I'm saying I'm glad he's doing okay, man.

[Joel Klatt]

I used to call him. I used to call Joel.

[Van Lathan]

So he's not little Joel. What's. What's his.

[Joel Klatt]

So my dad is Joel, not Senior Joel. Wayne. I'm Joel Douglas, and my son is Desmond.

[Van Lathan]

Your son is Desmond. Now, I gotta say something about you and your father's names.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah, Okay.

[Van Lathan]

I just gotta say Something my daddy did not like this.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

If there was one thing that bothered me bother my father about George W. Bush, it wasn't Hurricane Katrina or the wars or any of that stuff. Financial crisis. My dad was mad that he didn't have the same name as his dad. He could not understand.

[Tate Frazier]

He's not the second.

[Van Lathan]

This one. This used to be so funny. My dad used to be sitting down watching Walker, right?

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Herbert Walker and Walker. My dad used to be sitting down watching the tv and he'd be like, now, why didn't that man want to give his boy his whole name? What is going on with that? He'd be like, son, what's your name? I'd be like, Van Lathan. No, it's Van Terry Lathan, just like my name. Because you are me and I am you. Now, if I gave you a different middle name, you would feel like you were just a little bit different than me and you wouldn't want to be what you are, which is a Latham man. And the whole family would be like, yo, could we finish watching the news? Why are you crashing? How does this. What does this have to do with anything? Why are you crashing out? What's the rationale for the same name, different middle name? Did your dad ever tell you?

[Joel Klatt]

My dad did not want to. Originally, my name was going to be Jonathan. And I don't know what happened, why I didn't.

[Van Lathan]

Ass. That's what you look like. You look like a. You're a dirty.

[Joel Klatt]

Hold on.

[Van Lathan]

That's what you look like. Maybe when he turns on Johnny, y' all finish the story about that.

[Joel Klatt]

My mom may be watching this. I don't know that the understanding is that. And then my mom was like, I don't know. For whatever reason, she's like, well, I'm gonna name you. You know, she told my dad, I'm gonna name him Joel. And I felt like he was just like.

[Van Lathan]

I don't know.

[Joel Klatt]

He just did. For whatever reason. That's not exactly. We wanted. Douglas is my uncle's middle name. My Uncle Douglas who passed just this past summer. But no, but he's 83 years old. He's, you know, home with the Lord. That's where he believed he was going. So shout out my Uncle Doug. But, yeah, so I'm Joe Douglas and he's Joel Wayne. So, yeah, we. We didn't do the junior thing. But I. It is. People are always like, oh, you're a junior. And I'm like, nah, man. So that's why they called me Little Joel until I got to be bigger than my father.

[Tate Frazier]

There you go. There you go. That's always a good feeling.

[Joel Klatt]

My dad is five, six. Man. It wasn't hard.

[Van Lathan]

You know, SC has just given up the touchdown. It is now 14, 10, 1410.

[Joel Klatt]

Notre Dame.

[Van Lathan]

It's Jadarian Price. Jeremiah Love was off of the field because his helmet came off on the play prior. This will be a big. This will be a sort of a big win for Notre Dame. It would be even a bigger win for sc, but this would be like a really big win for Notre Dame.

[Joel Klatt]

This is a playoff eliminator. Whoever. Whoever loses that game probably ain't making the playoffs.

[Tate Frazier]

I mean, so they're across. So usc, usc, Notre Dame. Loser is a cross off team.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah. Loser go home.

[Van Lathan]

You know, Notre Dame cannot lose this game. I mean, there's still. There's still a chance that there's enough carnage and enough stuff that happens for a 9 and 3 team to get in. But it's not going to be a 9 and 3 independent. Yeah, it's not going to be.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah, that schedule isn't.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, it's not going to be that. Because you're going to go through a situation if they lose this game where you could have a schedule where every single significant test that they had, they lost. And then how can you put that team in the playoff? Notre Dame needs to win this game. And they're at home. And they're at home. I mean, the Gold, the Golden Domers. The Domers, if you want to call them that. Oh, Daddy. The Domers, they. They will freak out.

[Joel Klatt]

Who does the daddy thing? Who does the daddy. Who does the daddy thing?

[Van Lathan]

Hold on, hold on.

[Joel Klatt]

Wait a second, though. Who does the daddy thing?

[Van Lathan]

Whose thing is it?

[Joel Klatt]

He could not help himself.

[Van Lathan]

What's wrong with you, bro? If you think somebody is a daddy, then they a daddy. That's cool.

[Joel Klatt]

Okay?

[Tate Frazier]

You.

[Van Lathan]

You looked at Xavon Thomas, made that. Made that run, and then you asked.

[Tate Frazier]

Me if he wants Ty Simpson.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, Ty Simpson. Big daddy like you.

[Joel Klatt]

Like him. I didn't know that's the. You're making it more homoerotic than it really is. That's not. That's not. That's not what.

[Van Lathan]

This is a woke. Guys, I'm leaving straight here. I actually have this on because I'm leaving straight here and going to the no Kings protest while I fit right in. All right, this is like.

[Joel Klatt]

This is.

[Van Lathan]

This is. This is. I'll probably be like detained immediately. What are you doing?

[Joel Klatt]

Protest.

[Van Lathan]

I'm gonna go. I'm Gonna go out. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna leave the house with the rope, see how long it takes. You're gonna be an agent to come ask me what I got going on.

[Joel Klatt]

You're gonna be like that unfortunate brother. I don't know if y' all remember when that guy Dallas killed like five cops. And then they. The first guy they arrested was a brother. He just happened to have his gun walking down.

[Van Lathan]

Not funny, bro. The whole fucking thing is out, though. No, it's not funny. I'm not laughing.

[Joel Klatt]

What?

[Van Lathan]

The whole fucking thing is out, bro. What are you doing today, Art? Brian, are you going. Bringing up.

[Joel Klatt]

Are you going.

[Tate Frazier]

Oh, man. So good parting shots before we get out of here because we got good games that are coming up, right? We gotta go watch this Alabama, Tennessee game that's happening. Usc, Notre Dame, also a great game that's happening right now. Joe, I'll go to you first parting shots. Any last thoughts here, man?

[Joel Klatt]

You know, I was thinking about this. Although, if just because you're an NFL team and you're picking high end to draft, don't mean you got to draft a quarterback next year. Just don't. You don't. You don't have to talk yourself into Carson Beck or Lenora Sellers, who really, I mean, Lenor Sellers should not only go back to school next year, he should go somewhere, well, he can, like, have a chance.

[Tate Frazier]

North Carolina.

[Joel Klatt]

That's the.

[Tate Frazier]

That's the word on the street. That's our quarterback.

[Joel Klatt]

Okay. I mean, wait, is that in a world where Bill Belichick is still the head coach? Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah.

[Joel Klatt]

Oh, man. Unfortunately.

[Van Lathan]

Wednesday, I want to. I want to call for a special segment, and it's a segment that's piggybacking off what Joel is talking about right now, okay? About the quarterbacks coming into this year. Drew D.J. arch, Lenoris Klubnick club. This entire. We haven't even spoken his name. He's become.

[Tate Frazier]

He didn't play basketball.

[Van Lathan]

Voldemort. We can't even say his name, right? This entire crop of quarterbacks and the fact that this draft wasn't supposed to be a good one, it was supposed to be a transformative, can't miss draft with some of these guys. Look, look, who knows? Maybe some of these guys are in bad situations. You can imagine a world where Lenora Sellers comes out this year and still goes on to have a good NFL career. A lot Josh Allen or somebody else with his skill set. Or you can also imagine a situation where he is the next Anthony Richardson. You just. You Just don't know. But the fact of the matter is, there has just been. The quarterbacks that are running college football right now are Fernando Mendoza, Diego Pavia, Ty Simpson, Julian sand, who had an offensive.

[Tate Frazier]

Marcel Reed.

[Van Lathan]

Marcel Reed, yeah. Dante Moore. These are the guys that are. That are running college football. And these are guys who we all had things to. We. We all knew that these guys could play, but they were not the guys that we told were going to be sitting in New York and hearing their names called in the draft, which is. That just hasn't panned out.

[Joel Klatt]

No, man. No.

[Tate Frazier]

And that's why we hold experts accountable. Damn it. You know what I mean? That's what it's about. That's what it is. Just wanted to give, you know, one last little note there. This is Ringer Tailgate. We're having a lot of fun Saturdays. We're live. Appreciate van coming through. I mean, this is commitment to the bit right here. And it's not a bit. It's real life.

[Joel Klatt]

No. Yeah. I mean, get mad at Tate. Get mad at tape, man. They gonna. They're gonna talk about you like they did Stephen A. So you didn't blow up the tape like you did Joe?

[Tate Frazier]

Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah.

[Joel Klatt]

Nothing. Don't worry about it.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, the Stephen A thing. That's where you want to go for your politics. He got. He got it all figured out. Go, go.

[Tate Frazier]

Listen.

[Van Lathan]

He got it all figured out.

[Tate Frazier]

Oh, man, that's the perfect. That's our final last note there. Appreciate everybody tuning in to ring your tailgate. McShay is going live later with Minch. They'll have some takes on the last games.

[Joel Klatt]

Well, we didn't talk to McShay about James Franklin, man. I found out what's, like. What is this?

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah. What's happening? Also fine bombing. I kind of like McShay has these beefs. We need to get McSh.

[Van Lathan]

I like it.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah.

[Joel Klatt]

Call people out. Call people.

[Van Lathan]

Ringer gang, baby.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah.

[Joel Klatt]

Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

About time. We need somebody talking shit. We love it. Appreciate everybody tuning in to rigor tailgate. And we will see you guys back in person live in Los Angeles on Wednesday. We'll see you then 21 or older in president select states for Kansas and affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 and older and present in D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-Gambler or visit FanDuel.com RGB call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chatinconnecticut or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gamblinghelplinema.org or call 800-327-5050 for 24. 7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8-HOPE NY or text Hopeny in New York. Whoever you're repping this season, carry the team like a pro with ultra durable, officially licensed Yeti drinkware. Whether it's the NFL, ncaa, mlb, NHL or mls, YETI has you covered with drinkware in all your favorite team colors. So if you're a serious fan, now's the time to get serious about your gear with officially licensed Yeti drinkwear built for the long haul. Find all the teams you root [e-mail] or a Yeti store near you.

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