CFP Is Looking to Expand, and Joel Defends His Performance

Summary

Ringer Tailgate – Episode Summary

Episode: “CFP Is Looking to Expand, and Joel Defends His Performance”

Date: May 20, 2026
Hosts: Tate Frazier, Van Lathan, Joel Anderson
Special Guest: Billy Gill (joins late in the episode)

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Episode Overview

This episode delivers the classic blend of sharp college football analysis, comedic personal banter, and pop culture detours that listeners have come to expect from Ringer Tailgate. The crew covers everything from a viral moment at the UCLA practice facility (and Joel’s ensuing internet infamy) to a thorough breakdown of the proposed College Football Playoff expansion. Additional discussions span Lane Kiffin’s controversial Ole Miss comments, the role of NIL deals in college sports, classic sports culture, and some lively “old-man energy” trash talk.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. UCLA Practice Outing & Joel’s Viral Moment

Timestamps: 01:11 – 26:12

Crew Bookstore/Banter

• Joel shares his tradition of buying obscure college sports shirts when visiting campuses—this time snagging a UCLA rowing shirt (01:50).
• The hosts have fun needling Joel about whether he purposely opted for shopping solo.
• Banter touches on Hardee’s vs. Carl’s Jr., and a brief digression into Hilary Duff, with Joel asking, “Is this a Taylor Swift situation?” (06:23).

Practice Facility Footage Goes Viral

• Footage showing Tate “making Joel touch earth” (i.e., shaking him out of his shoes) goes viral; discussion sparked by commentary from Dominique Foxworth and others (08:46).
• Tate & Van defend Joel against harsh online criticism, highlighting the courage to put oneself out there and compete:

  “I’m not afraid of the smoke or to look in, you know, to embarrass myself.” – Joel Anderson (10:34)

Joel Defends Himself

• Shares a locker room tale from his football days to illustrate always being willing to step up, even against long odds (11:11).
• He claps back at online critics:

  “I dare any of you all to go outside... not having worked out, and just go start running and getting loose. Every Bentley, everybody on the internet is Ant Edwards. So get your ass out there and go do it.” (13:56)

Preview: Ringer Tailgate Field Day

• Plans for a future athletic field day event are teased—online haters, fellow Ringer staff, and listeners will be welcome to match up with Joel and Tate (14:48).
• Further breakdown of the practice footage, defensive technique vs. offensive advantage, and promises that next time will be different.
• Joel: “If I had six months, I would really [mess] y’all up... Maybe we’ll make the field day an annual thing.” (23:55)

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2. College Football Playoff Expansion—Good or Bad?

Timestamps: 30:20 – 47:12

• Hosts react to news of ongoing Big Ten meetings and growing push for a 24-team College Football Playoff (CFP).

• Joel’s take: It’s inevitable, driven by money and impending restructuring of college football itself.

  “I think it’s inevitable… The more games the players play, the more likely it is that injuries will impact the results.” (31:05)

• Detriments of expansion:

  • More games = more injuries to key players (31:30)
  • Expansion dilutes what it means to make the playoff. Savvy fans won’t be fooled into thinking low-ranked teams are actually contenders (“People know better. Fans understand…” – 33:04).

• Van supports: Once players are paid like pros, school presidents (the “owners”) will push for more games, profits trumping player welfare (34:55).

• Tate connects it to expanded NCAA Basketball Tournament—none of the expansion discussions involve fans, just conference commissioners looking out for their own.

March Madness Comparison

• Van and Tate discuss whether football could see the sort of underdog magic that makes the NCAA basketball tournament beloved.

  “In football? The answer is probably not. It’s an unfair fight, especially now with the transfer portal.” – Tate (38:33)

• The consensus: the risk is a war of attrition, not rewarding the best team but merely the last one standing.

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3. Lane Kiffin’s Ole Miss-to-LSU Rationale

Timestamps: 48:16 – 63:29

• Lane Kiffin claims symbols of racism at Ole Miss drove him to LSU; Van & Joel react with regional/historical nuance.
• Van: “I would have rather Lane Kiffin not jump into this hornet’s nest. …I don’t think it makes sense to compare the history of racism between Louisiana and Mississippi.” (49:24)
• Joel: Kiffin could have shaped the culture at Ole Miss but basically shrugged at the challenge (50:58).
• Motivation is questioned—Van suspects Kiffin is being “petty” and just trying to make his ex look bad (Lane “wants to make his ex have a bad day,” 59:40).
• Both hosts point out Kiffin’s pattern of messy exits and whether LSU fans should worry about what he’d say about them in the future.

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4. NIL Deal Pop Culture Moment

Timestamps: 81:48 – 86:38

• Vanderbilt true freshman QB Jared Curtis, formerly committed to Georgia, lands a movie role in comedian Nate Bargatze’s film as part of his NIL package.
• Classic generational/cultural disconnect as Joel doesn’t know Bargatze, prompting playful ribbing (“Is he a Tom Segura? He’s probably bigger than Tom,” 82:40).
• The crew reflects on how NIL and institutional strategy now touch even Hollywood:

  “Vanderbilt has to do that to get Jared Curtis to Forget about Georgia…” – Joel (84:54)

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5. USC–Notre Dame Rivalry Resuming

Timestamps: 89:04 – 91:19

• Announcement that historic USC–Notre Dame rivalry talks have resumed.
• Joel: If it disappears, he’s not shocked (with so many rivalries already lost to realignment), but Van urges schools not to let more traditions fade:

  “The question is, do we need to lose more? …Continue to play the game if you can.” – Van (90:52)

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6. Pop Culture, Rewatchables, and Field Day Banter

Scattered throughout, esp. 65:13 – 79:41

• Old school vs. new school energy: the hosts reminisce about life pre-Internet, giving “old man” context to their athletic capabilities (66:06).
• Everyone hypes up Ringer Field Day, with Billy Gill and Joel’s race being a centerpiece (“It’s the race everyone wants to see.” 74:32).
• Joel discusses his appearance on The Rewatchables, enduring harsh online reactions to his (tepid) Tropic Thunder review:

  “I didn’t say I didn’t like it… get over it.” (80:39)

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7. Social Issues: Athlete Protest, NIL, and Responsibility

Timestamps: 95:24 – 100:22

• Van and Joel discuss whether black athletes should boycott schools in states practicing unfair gerrymandering (triggered by recent NAACP discussions).
• Joel: He supports it in the context of a larger movement—athletes shouldn’t bear the burden alone, and former players/community should help provide institutional support.
• Van emphasizes need for broader economic and social solidarity for such action to be effective and fair (“...they’d have to be like an economic freeze-out of all these states…” 97:02).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Joel on competing at UCLA:
  “I’m not afraid of the smoke or to look in, you know, to embarrass myself.” (10:34)
• Van on CFP expansion:
  “The more likely injuries are going to play a role and who’s left standing… the owners … are going to add as many football games to entice as much TV participation, increase revenue as they possibly can.” (31:30/34:55)
• On Lane Kiffin’s comments:
  “I would have rather Lane Kiffin not jump into this hornet’s nest. …I don’t think it makes sense to compare the history of racism between Louisiana and Mississippi.” – Van (49:24)
• Billy Gill on watching their viral “athletic” clips:
  “I don’t think anyone looked good in any of these clips, if I’m being honest.” (65:00)
• On NIL and movies:
  “True freshman. Never played a game. Getting a movie role in a major film just because [Bargatze] is a fan of Vanderbilt. That’s the world we live in.” – Tate (83:38)

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Quick Hits & Fun Asides

• Old School vs. New School: Nostalgic talk of landlines, car maps, and pre-microwave popcorn (66:06–66:51).
• Pop Culture: Hilary Duff admiration, confusion over playoff expansion math, and arguing over the most handsome rapper (93:20).
• Classic Films: Joel’s love for “Welcome Home, Roscoe Jenkins” and “Fear of a Black Hat” (87:00–87:22).
• Coaching Vacancies: Jerry Stackhouse reportedly in the mix for the Chicago Bulls job, which the guys wholeheartedly support (100:22).
• Final Riff on Drake:
  “The one thing that is really annoying about a lot of Drake fans is that they act like they’re the only ones who have ever had sex before. …Drake, you’re 40, dog.” – Joel (92:02)

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Takeaways for Non-Listeners

This episode offers a lively mix of real college football insights (with a critical look at playoff expansion), plenty of inside jokes and personal stories, and some surprisingly thoughtful takes on race, protest, and athlete empowerment. If you missed it, check out the viral UCLA practice video, look forward to a Ringer Field Day event, and keep your eye on the CFP expansion debate—because, as Tate puts it, “It’s gonna happen.” If you like your college football with pop culture seasoning and honest, sometimes irreverent discussion, this episode delivers.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Welcome back to Ringer Tailgate, the Wednesday edition of the show. I'm your host, Tate Frazier. We're very excited to be back. We had a special episode last week. We had Bob Chesney on the show. Great to have him. Also had some fun interviews. TJ Husmanzada joined us on the sidelines. That was a lot of fun. Got some Nico clips out there. Also got some clips from the UCLA practice facility that we will discuss. But first and foremost, let's say what's up to our guys. Van Lathan in studio. What's up, Van?

[C]

What's up? Raise it on up. And when I say it, I mean the roof. When your tailgate is back. The three amigos. Right again.

[B]

Yeah, we're here, we're having a good time. We also got Joel Anderson rocking the UCLA gear. No TCU today. What's up, Joel?

[D]

No, no. You know, you said, yeah, no TCU gear, man. I went to the. After we finished up at the UCLA practice field, I went back onto the campus, spent some time in the bookstore and got myself. Every, every time I go to UCLA or any college, I try to get myself a sort of weird shirt. And so this is my UCLA Bruins rowing shirt. Only one time has anybody ever asked me if I rode, which I feel like, oh man, that person is really. That's a post racial person right there. A person that was like, you know, maybe you could have been on rowing, but nobody else ever seems to ask me about that at all.

[B]

So how is rowing the top pick?

[D]

Yeah. Wait, what?

[B]

Like why? Why did you go with rowing?

[D]

Like, oh, I just. I just like. I like to get a weird shirt, man. I had a Stanford fencing shirt a few years ago. You know, I like. Yeah, you know, cross country, volleyball. I just go to the show. Yeah. Track. Oh, that's a little bit more mainstream. But, yeah, I try to. I try to get a sport. One of those, like, you know, sports that don't make any money and wear it around and, you know, not that I want people to talk to me, but it's just something I do.

[C]

So we left the college. You went back onto the college and went into their bookstore.

[D]

Yeah. You know what? You all left. That's right. You all drove off. Cause we had had dinner plans, and of course, that didn't come to fruition. And so everybody left, and I was like, I have a few extra minutes. I said that I was going to get myself a shirt, and I got my son and daughter a shirt. I got my wife some shorts and some other. And some other things. And so, yeah, I always thought if I'm on a college campus, man, I'm always trying to stop by the bookstore, man. Are you trying to make it weird? Are you trying to say.

[C]

Oh, yeah, hold on. I'm not.

[D]

Anyway, okay.

[C]

What I'm saying. Okay. If I'm allowed to talk. What I'm saying is that we could have done this together.

[B]

Yeah. We could have all done this.

[C]

We could have all done this. We could have done this together. You could have said, hey, before I leave. I always have this tradition of, you know, walking through the college, seeing the sights, and going to the bookstore. But you chose to do it by yourself.

[D]

Interesting.

[C]

That's all I'm saying.

[D]

Well, you know, I was standing there by myself in the parking lot, because actually, when you all dropped. When we walked away from each other, I realized I wasn't actually close to my car. So I was walking to my car, and I. I was like. I could. I could go back to the library. Like, as I've already paid for parking. Like, it was, you know, 17. I was like, so I don't have to keep paying for parking. I was like, let me go on and go on back in there. Maybe I should. If I called y' all back, would y' all have come?

[C]

I mean, look, if you said, hey, I want to go to the book, so I probably would have gone to the bookstore. Like, I had no. We had nothing else. But you wanted to go by yourself, and I didn't.

[D]

I didn't want to go by myself. I wanted y' all to come.

[C]

You. You want to go by yourself.

[B]

We talked for a long time in the parking lot. You had ample opportunity to bring it up.

[D]

We did, but I forgot about still. I was paying for parking.

[B]

We were throwing the football with each other.

[D]

That's right.

[C]

You know, this was clearly something that you wanted to do.

[D]

Do you all know. Do you know what happened that day? I'm standing in the parking lot, disappointed. I'm like, oh, man. I thought we were all gonna get dinner. And, you know, so I'm standing there, and I'm like, well, I guess I got a lot of free time now. I got free. So y' all left. And I was like, oh, I can go back to the. You Surely you all understand. I was prepared to go to dinner with y'.

[B]

All.

[D]

I was excited. I was like, oh, you talked about going to some place in your campus, and y' all drove off. And then it hit me that I could go back to the bookstore, and I did. And I went into the student center area, so. To get myself something to drink.

[C]

Gotcha.

[D]

I didn't have any. I didn't have any.

[C]

Of course you did. Of course you did. You went to the bookstore, and then you went to the student center.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

All I am saying. No one even asked you to add that. All. All I am saying, shout out Carl Jr. Of course you did. Shout out to Carl's Jr. I've never eaten it before. I've never even known anyone who's eaten it, by the way.

[B]

Really. I'm a Hardee's guy, man.

[C]

I never with it before. Okay, cool. That was a lot of fun. I got a little distracted because somebody put a video of Hillary Duff on my Twitter.

[D]

Oh. Oh.

[B]

On the J. Hud Show.

[C]

Yeah. Hillary Duff doing a thing, bro.

[B]

Yeah. Shout out to Hillary Duff.

[D]

She's.

[B]

Yeah, I saw her Feb. 14 in Vegas for Valentine's Day.

[D]

How did she do?

[B]

Oh, she crushed. She's a star. Always has been.

[D]

Let me look up Hillary Duff, man. Hold on one second.

[B]

Oh, I mean, she's. She's only, you know, gotten better with time.

[C]

Yeah, she's doing her thing.

[D]

Really? Is Hillary Duff a white woman, a black guy? Because I feel like once upon a time, if you were a black man, you could not admit to liking no Hillary Duff in public because people would think something about you. You know what I'm saying? Like, I would never.

[B]

I think they would think I would know.

[D]

I would have a caught. There's a certain. There was a certain kind of white woman that was acceptable. Like, I don't know. Marissa Tomei or some like that. But Hillary Duff is like, man, you really. You really like Jacob. You know what I mean?

[C]

Yeah, I never really subscribed to that. What? I'm on. I'm on. That's it.

[D]

Okay. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Like, a little sauce to her, too. Like Hillary Dove.

[D]

No.

[B]

So this isn't a Taylor Swift situation. Like, she got something to it.

[D]

A little sauce.

[C]

I mean, the reality is that, Joel, you don't really know about Hillary Duff. So before you get into the situation, why don't you do your due diligence

[B]

on it, do your dove research, and come back?

[D]

I mean, I can. I can. I can see the appeal, Right?

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

Yeah, I can see the feel. I mean, I'm. I don't. I. You know, I really struggle when it comes to naming attractive people, but I.

[C]

You know.

[D]

Yeah. I mean. No, I'mma leave it there.

[B]

You did a good job with football coaches. You had a nice.

[C]

Did a great job.

[D]

Oh, yeah, man. Look, our number one Mark. Number two, Bob Chesney.

[B]

Well, we told Chesney he was number one.

[D]

I know. Yeah, we. We kind of up on that.

[B]

But, yeah, we kind of sucked up in real. Like, once we got in front of him, we started giving him the number one ranking.

[C]

We also forgot to get him the razor roof.

[D]

I forgot.

[C]

Yeah, we forgot to give him the raise the roof. Like, Chessy, we should say as. As we get into the podcast. Very impressive, head coach. Very impressive, head coach. I think UCLA is in good hands.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. He also said we're welcome to go back to practice at any point. So Van and I are going to go to practice. We might even bring our baseball gloves. Throw around.

[D]

Okay, y' all not gonna do that. Y' all not gonna. Y' all talk so much about, you know, what you're gonna say. I'm gonna be like, did y' all ever. Did y' all ever go to that UCLA practice? It's like, nah, man. But you know what? One time we hung out with Tommy Alter and who has a Cam Johnson. And y'. All. Y'.

[C]

All.

[D]

Y' all bring that time.

[C]

We've hung out. We've hung out.

[D]

There were some other girls. Yeah.

[C]

Because we went to the game as well. So me and Tate.

[B]

Usc twice.

[C]

Me and Tate have made plans twice. And me and Tate have hung out twice. Me and Tate.

[D]

This is like two for two.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

We're 100.

[D]

Why haven't. I don't understand. Why haven't y' all made more plans? Y' all live Right there.

[C]

I mean, yeah.

[B]

You understand LA now? Yeah, yeah. It's like 30 towns, not really one city. It's a lot of space in between. But we're going to hang out again. We're going to go to UCLA practice. And speaking of UCLA practice, let's talk about practice facility footage that was leaked this week. There was a lot of Joel went viral. In case you missed it, if you're not on Twitter, you're not on X, not on any of these other platforms. The videos of Joel Anderson going head to head with myself with Billy Gill. Van was playing all time QB for us. There's been a lot of controversy, a lot of conversation. If you go to our YouTube, you can watch some of this stuff. We kind of basically did a vlog while we were at ucla. Dominique Foxworth show decided to, you know, give their takes on what happened with Joel Anderson. Van shared the video. I made Joel touch earth. And then there was a lot of reactions

[D]

before we came on tape. Said, I'm going to defend you, Joel. I'm going to. I'm going to.

[B]

Soon.

[D]

As soon as the lights came on, you know what I'm saying? Tate switched up on me. That's fine.

[B]

I'm just, I'm here to defend Joel. Look, I brought my Joel water bottle today, so I'm going, oh, wow. Take a sip because I gotta support Joel. There was too much, too much hate that was coming at Joel's direction. It was. Joel said it was offensive pass interference. I think that was a little bit too far. But again, hips got turned, things went sideways. Joel, do you have a message to the haters? Because there were a lot of people that were coming at your neck. And Van and I actually talked independently. We thought this was wrong, so we wanted to defend you a little bit. Also wanted to give you your space to react.

[D]

You talked independently, really?

[B]

Yeah, we talked independently. We were like, we got to defend Joel honor. Because, Joel, we know you're a talent.

[D]

We know you guys talked about it on Text Bros or something. Okay, all right.

[B]

Text Bros did a FaceTime together and we, we said we had your.

[D]

Okay. All right, well, look, here, here's what I gotta say. I think one thing that I don't get enough credit for in this whole ordeal is that I'm not afraid of the smoke or to look in, you know, to embarrass myself. You know what I mean? Y' all can laugh, people can laugh at me, but did you know the origin of 2 to 7 lore is that I wasn't afraid to Wrestle. Even in the face of certain defeat. I think it wasn't even fat count. I think the original story. I told. I told y' all about my tussle with Quincy Lunsford, right?

[C]

Go for it. I don't think.

[B]

Just regal.

[D]

Quincy, I don't remember. Quincy was a. He was in my class, 96. He was a defensive end. He was 6 foot 5, 6 foot 4, 2 30, from Brazosport, Texas. We walking off the practice field one day, and, you know, man, I guess maybe I did. I just must talk a lot of. Back in the day. I don't know what happened. Anyway, I. I was talking about some. I had him back in the day. Yeah, well, I guess, man, I'll talk a little today. And I was taught. I was talking, and I don't know why. I felt like Quincy got inordinately like. Like, upset. Like, I felt like. Like he was challenging me. And I was. I was like, I'm not afraid of you. You know what I' what you want to do? And so we started wrestling. We started wrestling in the locker room. And the thing that was crazy about it, and this has never happened before in my life. So first of all, Quincy had me hemmed up in my locker dog. Like, I was on the fucking. Like, he had his, you know, forearm in my neck, all this shit. And then head coach Pat Sullivan emerges, and I'd never even seen him in the locker room before. Like, I was like, you don't even. You don't even come in here. And he was like, cut it out. You know? And, like, felt like I was a fool, like I was a child, because I was wrestling. But the point is, is that I sized up Quincy. I mean, the odds were not that I was going to win, but I was going to get out there and do it. And that's the same thing. So, like, if y' all say, hey, look, let's run some routes. Let's do whatever. I'll. I'll have on Chucks. I have on a pair of baggy jeans I just bought at the Old Navy in Manhattan beach, you know what I'm saying? And I'll just. I'll line up. And I don't think a lot of people got that dog in them to do that. I will line up, you know? And I mean, man, look, I'm in the worst shape of my life. Oh. You know what I'm saying? So, like.

[B]

I mean, all right, so exclusive so far. Baggy jeans.

[C]

But then also takes the time to compliment himself that he will show up okay.

[D]

Free is all right. There's no need to do that.

[C]

Hey, I'll be honest.

[D]

48 years old.

[B]

Should.

[D]

Should. Should Roy Wood go do a three cone drill? Everybody could see what that looks like. They.

[C]

So you're calling out. You're calling out Roy specifically, is what you're saying. I like.

[D]

I like Roy. Roy. I went saw him.

[C]

Roy is the amazing guy.

[D]

He. He performed at Silver Spring. I saw him backstage and we dapped it up. It's like, I like Roy, man. That's my dog. Whatever.

[C]

Some other people, all the people who offered that, that's what I ask you for. All. All of the people who offered their criticisms and thoughts on the videos, which ones were you particularly miffed about?

[D]

Well, I. Look, I. What are you doing? We had a phone. We had a whole phone conversation about this.

[C]

I'm asking, I'm. And I'm. I'm saying we said.

[B]

This is a message to the haters. Yeah.

[C]

Which ones did you think? I'm not.

[D]

I'm not gonna say everybody. I'm not gonna say everybody, but there were people. Look, I mean, there were people in the mentions talking about, oh, man, he. He didn't even know how to catch the ball. Look at his hand placement on that. I'm like, what the. You idiot. What are you talking about? You don't know what you're talking about. To criticize me like that. And again, people are like, oh, man. Fastest 10 year old. Do you know when I was 10 years old? 1988, okay? So I'm almost 48 years old, okay? So I dare any of you all to go outside, not having worked out, and just go. Start running and getting loose. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you. You all, every Bentley, everybody on the Internet is Aunt Edwards. So get your ass out there and go do it. Bring your ass or bring your ass to UCLA at the end of the summer when I'm lining it up and I'll have shorts and cleats, you know, I'm saying we could do however you want.

[C]

This is the purpose of the tailgate field day, right? The purpose of the tailgate field day. Ringer field day. Sponsored by tailgate ringer, tailgate field day, whatever we want to fucking call it. Because everybody feels like they run a four, six, they run a four or five, they can get out of a break, get up the field. We want to see in August, this August, we are inviting all of you guys. We want to see how athletic you are. If you think that Tate could make you touch earth. Like he did to Joe.

[D]

Tate's a good athlete, by the way. Like, I don't understand.

[C]

Tate is a good athlete.

[D]

Tate is a very good athlete. One of the best basketball players. Are you the best basketball player at the ringer? Well, I'm. Van. I don't know.

[B]

I was gonna say. I think Van. Van. We'll do it. We're gonna do a shootout. But you know what?

[C]

Don't sleep. Don't sleep on Mahoney, though, because people say that Mahoney. Mahoney got game as well. So I don't know. I don't say until I've been on the court. All I'm saying is this, though. Like, with that situation with Joel. Joel did not just. He lost that rep. Yes, but he also won reps. He caught the swing pass. Joe was out there putting his money where his mouth is.

[B]

That's right.

[C]

A lot. He don't want to talk about who he had smoke with because.

[D]

There was a lot of going on.

[C]

And I was just.

[B]

La. Your LA cousin or different cousin?

[D]

No, not my LA cousin. My cousin from San Antonio. And she came to visit for. To. She went to a wedding and a baby shower. It was the. The same people had on the same weekend. And so. So she was up here for that. And so I had a lot of going on. But also, I mean, to be honest, I did not have a great week online last week because of the Rewatchable shit, too. And so I was really like, I really don't want to hear. I really don't want to hear from no fucking body dog. I don't want, you know, saying. I just was kind of like, I'm kind of. I got enough shit going on here.

[B]

So was the. The Rewatchables was worse than the football video?

[D]

Oh, it's got to be. I mean, I don't. You know what? I'll never know. I'll never look it up. I'll never look it up. I got to get.

[B]

You also asked to be on the Rewatchables.

[D]

I. I said that I could show up at the live show. I said that, you know, if. If you all came and you. You could have a segment with me on there. It could be like a ringer, you know, review or some like that. That's fine. And I enjoyed being on the Rewatchables.

[C]

It was, you know, it was fun.

[D]

It was fun. But, I mean, I knew to expect that people were going to yell at me. And Bill even told me that Bill was like, yo, man. Like, you know, this is how it is. And so I knew to expect it. So I was trying to stay away from. Man, I don't want to hear people tagging me on Instagram. I'm like, what's. What's wrong with you, man? Leave me alone. I don't want to talk about it.

[C]

Well, so I appreciate the Rewatchables fans. They care a lot about their podcast. They love the podcast. It's a. It's a. You know, I have a con. Sort of a contentious relationship with all these different Reddits and stuff like that.

[D]

Yeah, you do, but. Yeah, you do.

[C]

I do, but, like, I. I appreciate. That was funny, though. I was like, how is Joel going to take being tossed into the fire of that? And Joel said, I had a tough week online because of rewatchable shit. That's funny.

[D]

It is funny. I mean, I just. The thing is, I. From what the little bit that broke through, I was like, oh, I don't want to know no more. So this was one of the times that I exercise a lot of discipline, and I was like, I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to know. I don't want to know what people said. You know what I mean? Like, the only people that matter were the people in the room or the people in the production room.

[B]

Internally, you got rave reviews. Everybody I talked to said, Joel was great. They had a fun time. The one knock was that you said you didn't like the movie. I think that was.

[D]

I appreciate it. I mean, I don't want to talk about how that ended up happening. I don't want to talk about how that ended up happening. But that's not my fault.

[C]

Not my fault.

[D]

Not my fault.

[B]

There were outside influences.

[D]

There were outside influences. I had nothing to do with it.

[B]

That were out of your control. So I think it was good, though. The UCLA practice footage, the fact that you had, you know, big name people commenting, Joel, that were, you know, you had. Beaumont came and defended your honor. Dominic Foxworth defended your honor. So, like, you know, we can look at the haters, but also there were a lot of people that were appreciators. You know, I think people.

[D]

People understand, man. It's hard to just get up off the couch and go start running routes. Doug. It is tough. I mean, look, Tate, you know, I know you. I mean, you know, when you say touch earth, that's kind of some ho shit, but that's fine. But, you know, it happened. But I'm gonna be back and you know, the one thing I just got to say to add on to this and you all didn't accept it as I'm about to.

[C]

I'm about to. I'm about to retweet this right now.

[D]

What are you about to retweet?

[C]

About to retweet the direct between you and Tay right now.

[D]

Okay. Come on, bro. What are you doing? I thought you were here to defend what happened. So you all got over being concerned about me?

[C]

Well, well, first of all.

[B]

Well, now we know. We know you're good Now.

[C]

I think everything that you said is true. Number one, you were down to run the swing pass. You were down to run. Billy's not here. Billy. Billy lost the rep to me. I. I blame. Yeah, I think you should have got your head around, but I think you could have been pass. I take respons. I take responsibility. You were there and you were, you were. You were really on one the entire time we were at ucla. You were just.

[D]

I was, I was in bliss. I was having a lot of fun, Doc. UCLA just. It, you know, does.

[C]

They were so great to us.

[D]

They really were.

[C]

It was, it was amazing. We didn't get a chance to witness you in the bookstore in the student section. 20, 20, 21 year old people.

[D]

But I mean, let's not talk about. There was a girl that was passing by that thought you were hollering at her, man. Do you remember?

[C]

That's not true. First of all. That's not true. That is true.

[D]

That is true.

[C]

You kind of lie.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And I was like trying to throw the football to them. And it was a group of people. It was just. I was doing.

[D]

Was one girl. He was just like, you know, she's down with it, she's down with it. And then. But we didn't run that. We got. It's on tape.

[B]

That was one knock though, that nobody wanted to catch the football.

[C]

You know, I was trying to throw the football.

[D]

It ain't really that kind of a school.

[C]

Yeah, if, if that would have been. If I'd have been on Southern's campus or LSU's campus. I hold the football up like y' all want to throw the football. Somebody would have wanted to catch the football. Nobody wanted to play catch at UCLA with The creepy old 46 year old guy.

[D]

UCLA students go to school for school. You know what I'm saying? They're there for school. Yeah, they just. Sports is sort of ancillary, which is a. That is a whole California thing. I mean, there are some people that are Obviously very passionate and there's some passionate fan bases there, but like, man, California, you know, football is like, if. Maybe if you had a Frisbee, you know what I'm saying? If you had a Frisbee, maybe they would stand.

[B]

Yeah, they would have loved a Frisbee.

[C]

A beaker of some sort. You know what I'm saying?

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do some chemistry.

[B]

Yeah, something like that. Joel, last thing on this. What. What do we change before we get to the field day in August? Like, what. What are you expecting to do before you race Billy? That's the big part of the field day. You're racing Billy. So you saw Billy on the ground. Do you feel good about your chances to get ready for that race?

[D]

I mean. Yeah, I mean, I feel pretty good about that part of it now. The other part. But I kind of want us to all line it back up and do one on ones now. Because now I'm like. I felt. So this is what I was going to say. You all didn't accept this as an excuse, but I jammed you out of the play. And football, my football mind was like, Tate's no longer a threat. He's already out of bound that the quarterback has to go to his second or third option.

[C]

But.

[D]

And this was just some, you know, one on one, and you were just able to come from way out of bounds behind the bench and run that.

[B]

You forced me outside. Maybe you thought you had some outside. You thought you had outside help, but you didn't.

[C]

If you look at. By the way, Joel, just to let you know, talking about football, I'm looking at it right now. Freeze. Bring. Freeze. Bring it back up.

[D]

Nah, we ain't got.

[C]

Why we. No, no, no, no, no. Hold on. No, no, no.

[D]

Because you.

[C]

Because you talking shit. Look, there you go. Thank you. Freeze. Look at where Tate is in relation to. You never did this for me, clearly. Like, Tate is clearly inside. Freeze. You can run it now.

[B]

And.

[C]

And when you. When we look at this, you see Tate get on how far he lay out there. You are looking at the sideline. Hold on, hold on.

[D]

Okay. All right, all right. Maybe I'll need to run it again. That's fine.

[B]

So we gotta. We'll run this playback.

[D]

Okay. Freest. That's enough. Okay, Plenty.

[B]

Well, anyway, fun times.

[D]

I thought. I thought. I thought the jam was effective. And anyway, yeah, man, some of y' all whole ass that had a lot to say, please line up and show up. I'm gonna be. I'm. I'm. Man, if the thing is, if I had six months. I would really y' all up, man. I would be like. I would. I would. I would eat y' all for lunch. I'm not gonna have that amount of time. Maybe we'll do it. Maybe we'll make the field day an annual thing. But it is more. I needed. I needed this. I needed to.

[C]

I looked.

[B]

You needed the motivation.

[D]

I looked at myself and I was like, oh, man, I look like one of them goofy ass suburban dads on an America's Funniest home video. You know what I'm saying? Falling down. I was like, that was the. That was the check I needed. So I got my water here. I'm starting, you know, protein shakes. I'm eating grapes right now. You know what I'm saying? I'm ready, dog.

[B]

Okay. So, August, you'll be prepared. I mean, are we gonna have other ringer people involved in this field day? We'll figure it out. We gotta work out some of this stuff. But maybe Joel can go one on one with everybody.

[D]

I see. That's. I don't want to be out there all day. I'm not. Who was homeboy? Colton Hood. They were talking about him during the draft. It was like one day. No other defensive back showed up and he did all the reps and that showed how much of a dog he was. I ain't doing that. I mean, you know what I'm saying? I'll take.

[C]

I'll, I'll.

[D]

I'll pick a few people out of the crowd. Or maybe we could do something to configure who wants to do the route. But I'm not. I'm not gonna be up there all day on y'.

[C]

All.

[D]

You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Yeah. Well, I'm proud of you for not calling people specifically hoes. Only one dis during that whole segment. So, you know, this is growth. We love to see it from Joel Anderson.

[D]

I'm a big Roy Wood fan. Big Roy Wood fan. Don't.

[B]

I mean, I appreciate that we had high level people like that.

[D]

Yeah, man, he's a celebrity. That's right. Yeah.

[B]

Shout out to all the celebs that were watching Tuning In. That was a lot of fun. Ucla. Shout out to those guys for taking care of us and we'll be back. At least Van and I will be back at practice. And then when Joel comes back in August, maybe we can do our field day at ucla. I mean, we'll see if we can figure out.

[C]

They will probably be into that.

[D]

Yeah, I can. I can guarantee that. You all will never. You. You all will not be back over UCLA together. Not before I get.

[B]

Well, we might go to multiple practices.

[C]

Well, we're going to throw this. We're going to throw the baseball for sure.

[D]

I'll put. I'm almost willing to put money on it. Doc, there's no way y' all are going to go over there.

[C]

If we don't throw the baseball, it'll be Tate's fault. Because I definitely want to get out there and throw the baseball. Why don't you stop hating?

[D]

Yeah, yeah, I go do it, dog. I already know, but, man, we went out with Cam Johnson and Tommy Alter. We went to you the USC game, man.

[B]

We got to go to another dinner so we can change up.

[C]

We do.

[B]

We gotta call time.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

This week we gonna go again.

[B]

Oh, it's gonna be Tommy Van, me, Alex Caruso.

[D]

Yeah, man. Look, man, that's what's up.

[C]

Yeah. Russo got bigger problems.

[B]

Yeah. 7 foot 7 problem.

[C]

That avatar look like he not taking no shorts and no losses in this.

[D]

Like, God damn, that was crazy.

[B]

It was one of the craziest things I've seen in a while. You know what I mean? It's kind of like Perry a decade ago.

[C]

It's not the make, it's the take. I firmly believe this. So on that logo three for Wendy, it's not the fact that it went in, it's the fact that Wemby said, I am about to shoot this basketball. We are going to win or lose this game based on whether or not I can make that shot and then took that shot. If I'm scared of something when it comes to Victor Wembanyama right now, I'm scared not of the 7 foot 5 frame of the arms or any of that. I'm scared of the belief that he has in himself. Because that is the one thing that has dogged guys that wanted to take over this league or the NBA for a long time is that they didn't really feel like they could do it. And Wemby was like, fuck it. It goes in, we win or we're back in this game. If I brick it, we probably lose. And he took that shot. That to me, I was like, wow. That type of shot to take that, I'm like, that's phenomenal. Phenomenal. And it did go in.

[D]

The interesting thing about that too, is that, like, the Thunder are exactly the worst team for him to play in terms of motivation, because he is insulted by the idea of Shay and the way he plays and, you know, and chat too. So the thing about.

[B]

He hates Chad.

[D]

The thing about Chet, that is crazy, man. I feel like Chad is like, man, I hope this settles down soon. You know what I mean? Like, he's just like. I don't know why he bad, but I hope he stopped being mad. Chad. It's not, bro. You go. You're gonna have to do something about it, man. Wimby is not gonna lit up over you on this.

[C]

Over the.

[D]

I mean, a under 19, feeble World cup game. Did y' all see that? I watched that game live.

[B]

Yeah, I remember watching that game, too. He was incredible in that game.

[D]

Kenny Lofton was. I thought. Kenny Lofton. I was shocked that Chet won MVP because I thought, yeah, he was the

[B]

best player on the team.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, yeah, man, Chet, man, you don't have to. You're gonna have to tap in, bro, because Wimby's not litting up on your ass, dog.

[B]

Also, game one against the Timberwolves, when they lost, Wimby gave up the ball late in that game, and he got a lot of pushback from people saying he didn't want the ball at the end. Like, they ended up getting a good shot with Champagne, but it doesn't go in. They lose game one. So the fact that he's course corrected just from the last series to this series says that, you know, I mean, he's. He's working at a different level. So shout out to him. Really cool.

[C]

He took the shot. It's the take. He has belief in himself.

[D]

Telling you, yeah, yeah, Champagne. Oh, man. I just. That's how I was wondering. Okay. Julian Champagne. That's how you pronounce his last name? That's crazy.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

What were you calling him? Champagney.

[D]

I thought his whole. I thought his whole name was Champagne Joe.

[B]

Like his first name was Sham. His last name was Penny.

[D]

I mean, not really.

[C]

Yeah. You don't be watching the game. Yeah, I'm gonna say. You don't know.

[D]

Yeah, not really. I mean, I catch up when, you know, I need to, like in the playoffs or whatever. But it's kind of, you know, I have not really reached a point in my life where I can watch a lot of late night basketball, especially. Especially here on the East Coast.

[C]

That's right. You are on the East Coast.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

It makes it more difficult, too. So this is like, I'm late and trying to. All the games are happening during bath and bedtime in this house.

[B]

So I would say now's the time to tap in. Conference finals, two great matchups.

[D]

Cavs I watched both those games. I've watched you said, fantastic basketball. Fantastic basketball. So, yeah, I mean, it's fun.

[B]

Yeah, it's a good matchup. First time, both games with the OT in the conference finals in NBA history. So a lot of good stuff there. Let's get back to college football. Story of the week. This story just won't go away. The 2014 College Football Playoff. If you were out here in Los Angeles, you got the Big Ten having their big meeting at Terranea down in Palos Verdes right now, and they are pushing for a 2014 College Football Playoff. Bill Connolly wrote a piece on this for espn, and the synopsis of the whole piece was this. But bigger isn't always better. But these conference commissioners, really, especially the SEC and the Big Ten and the Big 12 and I guess the ACC by proxy, seem to want a 2014 College Football Playoff. Joe, I'll go to you first. When you see this, do you feel like it's inevitable, or do you think this is just them trying to control the narrative?

[D]

I think it's inevitable. It's mostly being set up for whatever new version of college football is here, right? Like, you know, whenever they. They. They eliminate the Wake Forest or. And they're like, yeah, y' all can't play with us no more.

[B]

But shots at the Demon Deacons.

[D]

Yeah, man. Well, look, I mean, we know what it is. That's one of the smallest schools in fbs, man. You know, and at a certain point,

[B]

they won the acc. They had some good players.

[D]

Yeah. I mean, look, man, my homeboy. One of my best homeboy. Two of my best homeboys went to Wake Forest, man. And I like that campus. Have fun there. But I just, you know, that's going to be one of the school. Tcu. There's no guarantee that we make it into the next round of realignment. Like, we're on the bubble, and I think that part makes it a never. But anyway, I have a reason why it won't work and a reason why it's actually bad. Okay, I'll start with the reason. It's bad because the more games the players play, the more likely it is that injuries will impact the results. Okay. Oregon was down like it lost its running back, Jordan Davidson, against Texas Tech. Old Miss Keon Lacy, he hurt his shoulder in one game and wasn't 100% for the game against Miami. And then in the Miami game, because I'm assuming he had limited practice time, he tweaked his right hamstring. So if Ole Miss had Won that game and had to play against Indiana. I mean he would have been beat up. And Notre Dame was beat up as hell going into the 2024 final. Jeremiah Love was hurting that game in Georgia. Carson Beck, he wasn't even around for that playoff run. They had to play with Gunner Stockton. So I understand injuries are part of the game, but the more games that these teams play against better team, better teams that can hit back, the more likely injuries are going to play role and who's left standing at the end? I just don't think we need we expose these really good teams to the 23rd ranked team. And the second thing about why this won't work is you can't fool the fans, man. Alabama made the playoffs. Their fans seem happy. Do you think Oklahoma's fans are fooled by making the playoffs last year? Of course not. They know that they're not really national championship contenders right now and so they can try to have all these extra games or whatever and oh man, you're a playoff contender. But people know better. People know better. Now. Fans understand that if just because Iowa or USC gets into there, if they got in there last year, I don't think their fans will be like, well, they lost in the first round of the playoffs. This was a pretty good season. The, the fans are savvier than that and coaches and programs are still going to face the same sort of pressure. You can't game the system.

[C]

I think those are two fantastic points. I agree with both of them. Obviously we know this is going to happen and one of the reasons why it's going to happen is because obviously there's huge money in it, Huge money being the thing that matters more than anything else. But also because the players are now looked at as professionals and you've seen other leagues like the NFL, despite the rejections, rebuttals, concerns of their workforce, go, hey, we're going to add another game because that makes us more money. In this type of situation where the players are getting paid now, it looks like for everyone that whatever would happen to them from an injury standpoint or a scholastic standpoint matters less than the nil that they're getting. So in this situation, the owners, who I guess are school presidents, right, they are going to add as many football games to entice as much TV participation, increase revenue as they possibly can. And they're not really going to consider the lives of their workforce and the health of their workforce because they look at their workforce now as professional athletes 100%.

[B]

And also we saw this in college Basketball, they kept floating, hey, we're going to expand the tournament. Everyone's like, please, God, don't do it. Please don't do it. Please don't do it. And then all of a sudden, they announced, hey, it's done. We've expanded the tournament. We got the 76 teams. And then when they asked why they did it, they said the conference commissioners really wanted them to, because the Big 12, the Big 10, the SEC, the ACC, the Power 4, that is. They're saying to themselves, we need more teams to make the tournament so that we can make everybody happy in these bloated conferences. And it's the exact same thing with the 2014 playoff. They can float this as much as they want. People can push back as much as they want. But as you said, Vance, it's gonna happen. Like, they're gonna make it happen because they want to make all those member schools happy and think they have an outside shot to make the playoff. And if they make the playoff, everybody's happy, apparently. At least that's what they're saying.

[D]

Yeah, I just. I mean, we just have come so far, man. I mean, we used to just pick two teams for the national championship game, which I didn't. I never liked. I thought that didn't make a lot of sense. I don't like the idea of picking your champions. I want to see teams winning on the field, even though this is still an invitational at the end of the day. Like, there's. Sometimes there's teams that get automatic qualifiers, but we're picking the teams. But you have a. I thought the goal of this was to make it more fair and pick a team, make sure that we don't leave out teams at the end of the year that maybe have a real shot at making the national Championship game. And again, I. Maybe that's naive. I always know money is at play here, but I just. It doesn't even.24. That's a fifth of college football, man. Well, maybe a little less than two, maybe six. I'm doing bad math. Five. You know, but anyway, it's just fit.

[B]

Sounds better.

[D]

Yeah, it sounds better. Yeah. I think that'll be 120 teams. That's a lot of teams, bro. Yeah. Do you. Do y' all really want to see, like, Iowa in the.

[C]

In.

[D]

In the playoff game?

[C]

Like, here's the problem. I don't want to see it, but I'll watch it.

[D]

That's right.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That is the problem.

[D]

That's true.

[C]

That is the problem with everything. The problem with everything now is I Don't want to see it, but I'll watch it. Right? Like I don't want to see Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather fight again, both of them 45 on Netflix this fall. I wouldn't have asked to see that. I don't want to see that. But I'll watch it. And they know that you'll watch it. There's a lot of things out there. They know that you'll watch it, so they'll put it on. And as far as the teams, there's probably a competitive argument here that you're going to get situations. I'll throw this to Tate. I asked Tate about this. Like you get in, in the NCAA tournament, which the, the best parts of the NCAA tournament for me are the first couple of days. That's right, the tournament. As it goes on, it becomes more about, you know, the blue bloods of the sport and this against that and who's going to be able to make adjustments. But those first couple of games are this weird and awkward sports experiment where you have four 23 year old guys that have been playing at Weber State since they were freshmen against a bunch of one and dones from somewhere who can get hot, who can win, how players respond when they are blitzed by some 5 foot 9 white dude who just decided today that he's not gonna miss.

[B]

Right, right.

[C]

So, and that's, that's the drama in the tournament and it kind of sets the palette for the entire tournament. Is that possible in football? The answer is probably not.

[D]

You know what I mean? Probably not.

[C]

But who knows? Who knows? Tate, do you think that it's possible in football?

[B]

I don't think it's possible in football. I think it's an unfair fight. And you just look at the trenches and you can see why it's an unfair fight. Especially now with the transfer portal, with everybody kind of moving up. Even in college basketball. Basketball, it's the same thing. Like those four guys or five guys who would be at Weber State, like you said, now that they're now all five of them are at different schools. One's at Oklahoma State, one's at Texas Tech, one's at Vanderbilt, one's at Villain, you know what I mean? So like that team that would have stayed together is now all broken up. And then for the college basketball tournament, the interesting part now is Thursday was so important and so fun and it's like, okay, here we go. The tournament starts. We had the first four, but now we really go. Now we have 24 teams involved on Tuesday and Wednesday. So the time, by the time we get to Thursday, you've already watched a lot of basketball. So we don't even know if the majesty, the pageantry, whatever you want to call it, is going to be there on that Thursday like it has in the past. And that's the real test for them. And again, the more that you kind of draw it out and make it bigger than bloated, the concern is there that you lose some of that magic. And also, to Joel's original point, a war of attrition is not what we want. We want to see the best team win. And if, and if it's just a war of attrition to see who can survive, then there's a lot of luck that's involved. And I don't think we feel like we get the actual champion, which is really tough.

[D]

Yeah, I mean, that's, I mean, look.

[C]

Oh, go ahead, go ahead.

[D]

That's my big thing, the injury thing, you know.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. I mean, look, that kind of exists in most areas of football. Like even in pro football. You get to a point, it's like, who's going to be healthy, who's going to. For me. Yeah. In college football, just. So many things in college football used to be different between what was going on in ncaa, what's going on in the pros, and it's kind of what made the sport special. Right. And there's something else about this. Now that we're talking about this age of transfer portal and nil. A lot of these teams don't have the same type of depth that they used to have. Some of them do. You could probably go up and down the list of players that have Buckeyes on their helmets right now and get to like the third guy and still get yourself a nice like established four star for as long as he'll stay there at Ohio State. But most of the time the depth that existed for teams in 2014, 2015 is just not there anymore. So if you start to really get a school that's ravaged by injuries, a program that's ravaged by injuries, you are not going to be able to, to go from Derrick Henry to TJ Yeldin or whatever the fuck was going on in Alabama, that's nuts. Like, you're not going to be able to like go do that nowadays. There's going to be a drop off and that's going to affect the competition of the games.

[D]

You ain't gonna have a Cardell Jones on nobody's bench anymore, you know, what I mean. Cardell Jones. Yeah, man, he comes all it comes.

[C]

Comes from out of nowhere and is dominant in that game.

[D]

Really good. It was great. He was. He had a great stretch even be

[B]

able to bench Jalen hurts and then put in two Ataga Baloa. Yeah, I mean, you know what I mean. To go from NFL quarterback to NFL quarterback.

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[B]

It's just kind of plays.

[D]

Yeah, it's just kind of a bummer. Like, I want to see teams at their best and I Know that that's not always possible in football. Indiana played in one national championship without their best defensive lineman last year. Steven Daly got injured, I think, in the Big Ten championship game or something like that, and then they. They managed to replace him and win. But, like, that's. Again, Indiana was a rare team, and if that happens to teams further down the line, they're not going to be able to overcome it. So I just don't want to see more playoff games. I mean, look how mad y' all got at James Madison.

[C]

People did.

[D]

People were so pissed that James Madison got invited to the dance. And so I was like, why are we. Like, why are we pretending that we really want to see more teams than we really do?

[B]

And James Madison showed up. I mean, they. They did okay.

[D]

Yeah, they did.

[B]

They did better than people suspected.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Did a good job. But, yeah, it is fascinating to see 24 teams thrown out when it's basically already been decided. There's also been a lot of talk this week about the deficits for all these programs and the money that is being lost. And I just want to circle back to the fact that the big Ten is meeting at Terranea in Palos Verdes.

[D]

So is that nice?

[B]

Doing all right.

[C]

Very, very nice. Not too long ago, it's very nice. Well, actually, it was a very long time ago when we went there, but it's like. It's. It's. It's one of the only resorts. It actually might be the only resort that's, like, in this area. It's, like, right off the. Is like, not a great beach area or anything like that. Not like a huge beach situation, but it's like. Like on the rocks or their. Palace versus Right past. Palace versus. Very nice.

[D]

I'm gonna try to. I'm gonna try to book a room.

[B]

Yeah, that's where Lincoln Riley lives down in Palos.

[D]

Verdict? Get the out of here. Are you serious?

[B]

Yeah, It's a nice area.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

Really nice.

[D]

All right, let's just see. I'm.

[B]

I don't really like it too much. A lot of cliffsides for me.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Oh, yeah, that's right. Tate is up with the cliffs. Palace verse is very nice, actually. You know, I asked Chesney if he lived in palace versus. That's where a lot of the coaches and people go. And he's like, now he wanted to be closer to. To the. To the actual campus, but palace versus is. I think the view from Palos Verdes out over the water is breathtaking. It's probably one of the single Most amazing natural wonders that like Los Angeles, the area has.

[D]

Wow.

[C]

They got their own little community up there, PV High School. There's actually some lore behind palace verse because there was a rich young man up there that ended up becoming a Crip. What? And he was from Palos Verdes, and he joined the Crips. He joined the Crips. And he was going on drills with them, doing all kinds of crazy. And then people were like, it was a Palace versus Crip. He was a Crip. He joined the Crip when he went down the hill and became a Crip. And everybody was like, how could that happen when you come from a place as beautiful as palace versus you know, why you around? But he was around. He wanted to be down with them. It's Crip.

[D]

He wanted to be down, man.

[B]

Look, man, like, Malibu's most wanted.

[D]

Crips will find you, man. My cousin moved from Texas to Kansas. Solana, Kansas. And became a Crip up there, man. You know what I'm saying? You could be a Kirk, I guess you can, you know, join anywhere, bro. Eldon Campbell. Oh, he lives in Palos Verdes Estates. Oh, shit. Bill Lambert attended Palos Verdes High School.

[C]

Did you know that a lot of people, as far as athletes are concerned, live in that Palace Verdes, kind of Manhattan beach extended area.

[D]

This is really nice. I should have gone up. So can you go up there? Like, if you're going on a drive for a night and just be like, I just want to go have a little dinner over there. You can do that? Yep.

[C]

You can do that. You go up there, they got a movie theater up there. They got the whole thing. Palace versus gorgeous. It's beautiful. I don't know how we spent this much time on it, but it's true.

[D]

That's true.

[B]

Oh, I gotta go check it out. Also, shout out to Chesney. He said he could not be more than 15 minutes away from campus. That's one of his rules. So that's why he cannot be in Palos Verdes. But it's a really nice place and, you know, wanted to give a shout out there. Let's do some headlines.

[D]

Hold on, hold on. Before you go on, you can book a room. A hotel guest. A hotel king guest room at the terranea for 525. That's not bad.

[B]

What day?

[D]

I. I just looked up if I wanted to check in tonight, you know?

[B]

Yeah, you did. This is a Wednesday. Look up a weekend rate.

[D]

Oh, man. You think I need to? You telling me?

[C]

I mean, Terena is Not that expensive.

[D]

Your broke ass ain't gonna be able to do it. That's what you saying.

[B]

It is expensive.

[D]

Okay, hold on. So I'm check in on a Friday and check out on us on a Sunday. Let's see what that is. Oh, goes up this sun. Yeah. The sunrise. Sunset 685 goes up.

[C]

Terranea is not that expensive.

[D]

Okay. Yeah, I with you, man.

[B]

All right. There you go. Good times. Glad we got to talk about it. 2014 playoff seems inevitable. So we'll get there eventually, but hopefully not in the near future. But it seems like it's on the verge. Let's get the top five headlines of the week. And let's start with number one. This happened last week. It was a big story, a lot of memes, and of course, it's about LSU head coach Lane Kiffin. Lane Kiffin, in explaining his decision to leave Ole Miss, Relsu said that he was trying to distance himself from symbols like the Confederate flag, Colonel Rebel, and the nickname Ole Miss itself when he was coaching there. Kiffin says top recruits would tell him, quote, hey, coach, we really like you, but my grandparents aren't letting me move to Oxford, Mississippi in quote, that doesn't come up when you go to Baton Rouge, Louisiana is what he said. Parents were sitting here this weekend and saying the campuses diversity feels so great. It feels like there's no segregation in quote. So this is Lane Kiffin explaining his decision, and now he is basically trying to pull a Nick Saban down there at LSU in Joel's terms. Van, when you saw this story, did you like it, did you buy it? And what were your thoughts on Kiffin?

[C]

I knew this was about to stir up some shit, and I'm like, you know, I. I personally would have rather Lane Kiffin not, like, jump into this entire hornet's nest. You guys, I am a Louisiana man through and through. I love Louisiana. I love the state, I love the people. I love everything about my. My home state. I don't think that it makes a lot of sense to compare the history of racism between Louisiana and Mississippi. Mississippi. Now, I will say this Mississippi special. Now, like, I will say this Mississippi special. Mississippi is special. And there is no comparison between Baton Rouge and Oxford because Baton Rouge is a black city and Oxford, it's not okay. But if we're going to do a deep historical analysis of a racist history between Mississippi and Louisiana or even between ole Ms. And LSU, there's just not gonna be enough daylight to really stand up and, like, look down your nose at another school and that's just the way that it is.

[D]

Yeah, man, I agree. When I saw this, I was kind of surprised because, you know, Lane Kiffin, if you were there and you had a problem with the Confederate iconography, few people were better positioned.

[B]

He had the opportunity to.

[D]

You had Ole Miss by the balls for a number, for a number of years. Like, nobody. Nobody could have done more to improve the condition and the culture around that campus than you. Like, that was right in your hands. And evidently, it didn't come up that them black people. Them black people came up and said, man, my grandparents had let me move to Oxford. And you're like, man, all right, I understand. He was just like, okay, I get it. I get it. But he was right about that, though. We had talked about, like, that's the reason that we brought that up in the fall. Yeah, we brought that up in the fall. That. The footprint from the SEC footprint. If you just go along Texas, you know, Texas to Florida, like the I10 corridor. Ole Miss has Ole misses in Mississippi State. They're the only schools that have not won national championships. And the reason is because it's been hard to convince people. Athletes to go play there if you're not already from there. There was a cat from my hometown, Ansu C. Say he was the best basketball player on.

[C]

A legendary state champion, amazing basketball player.

[D]

You remember, you know, Ansuc said he was. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

A great basketball player. Yeah, yeah.

[D]

He's from my hood. He's from. He went to Willow Ridge High School, which is also where TJ Ford went to high school, and they won a state championship. And then he signed with Ole Miss. And everybody was like, what the. Like, what are you doing, bro? Like, why are you going to Ole Miss? That's crazy. And that's just kind of the perception that Ole Miss had to deal with. But, yeah, I mean, the one thing I would say about LSU and Van, you probably. You certainly are much more qualified to speak on it. The way black people felt about LSU has evolved a lot since Martin Luther Saban has showed up. But there were people, like, I would say, wouldn't you say, the black people, when they talked about Baton Rouge, they're thinking of the Southern Baton Rouge and not necessarily the LSU Baton Rouge. Is that fair to say?

[C]

I think it's always been kind of divided. I think that in the early 90s. In the early 90s, essentially coming up. Because, remember, I had a mother that went to LSU and a father that went to Southern.

[D]

That's right.

[C]

So. So. So for me, I think it's always been kind of divided lsu, to, to your point, for a lot of people in Baton Rouge, has always kind of been a hallmark of sort of resource hoarding. Things that were nice, things that were geared towards white people and white students. When you go to the north side of town, where Southern is, it doesn't seem as if they give a fuck about how things are going up on the bluff, about how. Fuck the football, about how to the structures and whether or not there's air conditioning, all kinds of stuff like that, how that goes up on the bluff. So if you are the Southern knight and if Southern has your heart, then there probably is some resentment towards lsu. But when LSU would win the entire town, all of Baton Rouge with, at least from what I know, from what I understood growing up, it was a source of pride because it was really the only thing in Baton Rouge at that particular time that had any type of national identity. So it would be very difficult to not be proud of LSU or care about the way LSU represented for Louisiana if you were specifically from Baton Rouge, because that at that point was what people knew Baton Rouge for more than anything. What? No Boosie yet was no Kevin Gates yet. Baton Rouge is kind of like renaissance now. Like, like all of that stuff, none of that stuff was kind of around, right? Like no young boy. Baton Rouge didn't really have a national identity in any way. But LSU was like, we're at Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge. These players that come from there, that was kind of a thing. So there was always, to me, at least from black people that I knew, a sense of pride. But the connection culturally to the university didn't really start until we started getting the players back to go there. That represented these different spots in Louisiana. And in the 90s that had stopped in the 80s, it was a little bit more prevalent, but in the 90s that had definitely stopped. Those guys were at Florida State, those guys were at Texas, those guys were at Florida, those guys were at Colorado. If you're talking about Cordell Stewart and all of that stuff, those guys were leaving Louisiana.

[D]

I'm going to get this wrong. Is war done from Baton Rouge? Is that right?

[C]

He is Catholic High.

[D]

Catholic High, yeah. Like, so I remember thinking, man, how did that Ed Reed. What is Ed Reed from?

[C]

He's from New Orleans. Neil Smith is like, like, like Neil Smith, like Cordell Stewart, Travis Minor, Major Applewhite, Marshall Falk, who actually didn't get recruited the way that he should have been. That really kind of starts with like a big time prep Like a big national prep from. From that area staying home. It actually starts with Kevin Falk. It actually starts with Kevin Falk deciding that he was not gonna. He's from Karen Crow, that he was going to come to lsu. But then to your point, the guy who really put the fence around Baton Rouge and Louisiana for a little while at least, was Nick Saban. And that definitely changed things because then you had a national brand that you didn't have to kind of pull people to be proud of.

[B]

I do have to ask, like, what do you think Lane Kiffin thought this would. Do you think this. He thought that, like, this would be great, you know, like, this would be like, a big PR win for him to be, like, actually Lane left because he didn't like, you know, the. The iconography of Ole Miss. And that's. He's such a good guy for doing that. Like, it just seems very strange to me that he waited this many months to then make this spin on the story when we kind of all know why he went to lsu. It just seems strange. I just don't know what the end game was there.

[D]

I don't know what Kiffin thinks about. I don't clearly. I don't think he runs everything by an assistant or a pickup. I mean, he tweeted out that cap, remember the make Baton Rouge great again Caps. Then he had to take it down. Like, he's clearly not.

[B]

So is this, you think, like, a reaction to that? Like, he got such bad feedback on that thing that then he's like, I gotta make sure people know where I stand.

[D]

I think what happened is that he is very conscious of the fact that a lot of people think he's a turncoat man, that he abandoned his team in the middle of a playoff run. This the school that gave him a chance. It gave them the best year they ever had. And in the middle of it, he abandoned them. And there are a lot of people, for a lot of people, they will always hold that against him. You know, like, even, like, Kevin Durant when people be talking about it, instead of, well, he had to go cheat, you know, he. He went and got his rings on the back of the warriors or whatever. It's kind of like that. It's like, for Lane Kiffin, that may always be part of his coaching epitaph, assuming he doesn't go on the wild successor lsu. So I think this was a part of trying to explain and clear up his reputation, but I just don't think he's good at talking. I don't think he's as good at talking as, you know, his reputation would suggest.

[B]

Well, he's going on pardon my take this week. So, you know, Belichick just went on pardon my take. He's got.

[D]

Man. Why. Why. That's a. That's a paid interview. Why hadn't Josh Pate got him yet?

[C]

What I will say is this, though, as I don't actually. I think what Joel is saying is true, but I don't actually think it's that at all.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

When I was on the yard at Southern's campus, I had gone to Louisiana Tech for a little while. Then I came. Came back home to go to school, and I was talking to one of my homeboys, and my homeboy goes. Cause my high school girlfriend was up on the yard, right? And, you know, some would say they was up on the yard going crazy. But, like, my high school girlfriend was up, like, was up on the yard.

[D]

Was this your dog Ryan?

[C]

No, it's not my homeboy Ryan. If I don't name names, then you probably shouldn't name them.

[D]

Somebody put me on the Ryan this weekend. I was like, okay, what's up?

[C]

Okay, so my. My. My. My high school girlfriend was up there. And so I'm coming back. I'm like, you know, I'm talking to my boy. I'm like, yo, I've been away because I'm one of my highest. Well, my other high school girlfriend, we had going to Tech together. So I'm leaving Louisiana Tech, coming back to Southern, and one of my other high school girlfriends is going to be up there, right?

[A]

Whatever.

[C]

Okay. So I'm like, yeah, let's see. Whatever, whatever, whatever. Tap back in. And he's like. And I remember my homeboy says, I mean, yeah, you gonna see her? You gonna see her? He was like, you might see her on a bad day and feel good about yourself. You might catch her on a bad day. Meaning that he thinks that it would be good for me to see her looking bad, right? And he was joking. It was a funny joke. It's like, hey, you might see her on a bad day. Like, hey, I didn't miss nothing. Something, right?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

I think that that mentality is playing into what Lane Kiffin said. I think Lane Kiffin is simply trying to make his ex have a bad day. I don't know that it has very much to do with Lane Kiffin feeling like people are judging him because he left Ole Miss. That certainly could be a part of this calculus. But I just think that Lane Kiffin is the type of Petty to where when he leaves a place, he actually doesn't want to leave it in a better situation than he found it. Right. He doesn't want to leave a place in a better situation, especially if the breakup is contentious. What he wants to do, and I know a lot of people like this is be like, I'm in a better situation with this new girl than I ever was with my ex. I didn't move. She finer. She looked better. Here, check out her Instagram. Look at who her friends are. All of this stuff. I think that's what he's trying to do, and I think he's trying to force the public to kind of look at it that way by saying y' all didn't forget what Ole Miss is. Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Right.

[C]

I'm in a different. So I. So I. I think that really, it's even pettier than that. I'm not saying that what Joel is saying is not a calculus in this, because I definitely think that it is. But I think Lane Kiffin is legitimately just bad mouthing Ole Miss because he wants to make his S look bad in front of his new group of people.

[B]

And it's a reminder.

[C]

It's a reminder. And that scares me a little bit. That scares me a little bit. Honestly, as an LSU fan, I don't know right now. If we could interview Lane Kiffin, I would ask him, as an LSU fan, what is going to make us different? Because it seems like if we talking about the Raiders, if we talking about Tennessee, if we talking about sc, if we talking about Ole Miss, even if we're talking about Alabama, it seems as if you got this whole you not doing the Derry Jeter thing where people leave and they get a gift box and all of that shit. It seems like you on the other shit. So when. What. What are we gonna get out of what's coming? Which is a fiery breakup and an embarrassment of some sort. That's what. It kind of seems like we're on that trajectory.

[D]

That's crazy. Cause you're right. I mean, Nick Saban sent his ass home before a national championship game.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

He was like, I've had enough. Get out of here. The only school that he's not had this beef with is Florida Atlantic. Right. And I guess, like, maybe.

[B]

And that's because they were just happy to have him.

[D]

They both got what they needed out of it. Right. You know? Yeah. It was just like, I was never gonna stay. You knew you would ever gonna hold on to me. But we had a good time together. And I Moved on to my new thing, Ole Miss. What I want to know is, like, what happened to your girl, dog? She's on a bad day. Like, is this. Like, this is. This doesn't sound like freshman 15. This is like she got cracked out or something.

[C]

Nah, she's.

[A]

She be.

[C]

She's beautiful. She's still beautiful.

[D]

Okay. All right.

[C]

Like, my man. My man was talking about maybe you catch her on a. On an off day where she don't look good on that day, but she was. Shout out to her. She married all of that stuff. There's room for that.

[D]

Does she look like. Does she look like. Oh, girl, you showed us who looks like somebody else.

[C]

Raise the roof. All you. You're bullshitting. Now, we can do this.

[B]

Any names? Earlier when he was on Joe.

[C]

Whenever you want to. Whatever. You want to do this. We could do this because I'm telling you, you're gonna have another bad week. We also know why you had a bad while you was in la, too.

[D]

Hold on, hold on. Okay, now, you said. You said enough. You said enough. Everything's fine. But anyway,

[B]

hey, before we go to the next headline. Billy, are you here? Is Billy Gil finally in the building?

[D]

Man? What the.

[B]

That's good.

[D]

Okay. Billy. What the cap. What cap is it?

[C]

Hey, what's up?

[B]

What's up, guys?

[F]

How's it going?

[B]

I just wanted to know if you had anything to add to the Joel UCLA practice footage. Joel did a good job breaking down of what went wrong on his end. Old Navy, baggy jeans. I was out of bounds. You know, there's a lot. Yeah, a lot of. A lot of breakdowns. I think you should have wondered if you had anything.

[D]

Tate didn't do a fair breakdown. Just listen to the clip in context.

[F]

Okay, I'll go back and listen to it and report back to you next week, I guess.

[D]

Yeah, thanks.

[B]

Okay, perfect. All right, well, we'll ask Billy something.

[C]

I gota ask Billy something. Billy, do you feel like you lost the rep that you had against Joel, where Joel seemingly got behind you and it could have been an errant pass by me?

[F]

I didn't feel that way at the time, if I'm going to be honest with you. I thought I gave him some room. The last thing that I wanted was Joel to be in front of me and complete the pass, so I figured, you know, I could make up for it there. Now, watching it back now, I'm not happy with the shape that I'm in, and I don't think I looked at

[B]

what I can anyway, either, so.

[F]

I think. I think. I don't think anyone looked good in any of these clips, if I'm going to be honest with you.

[B]

Yeah, same.

[D]

Well, I mean, I think Van came off pretty well. Did they show you a jumper, too? Didn't they? Did they show you a jumper?

[C]

I don't think they showed it. I don't think they showed it. I felt fine. I tell you what, though, I'll just be honest with y'.

[D]

All.

[C]

I'm old, bro. It, like, you know what I'm saying? I'm old. Tate is the only one on here. I mean, I guess Billy not 40 yet, either, but. But. But Tate is the only one in here that could legitimately. Legitimately still make an argument for actual youth. We're all relatively young. Billy's relatively young. But Tate could say. Were you 32?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. You could actually say I'm actually young. Like, you're in your NBA prime. Like, that's Giannis. So, like, you could. You could legitimately say that you're young. But me, I was born 1980, dog. There wasn't. There was no Internet. There was like. Like, there's a lot of that exists. The rotary phones, bro. We was going crazy. We was going to Pizza Hut. Sitting in the restaurant, eating at the restaurant in the Pizza Hut.

[D]

Oh, bro. Phone booth. Remember? You need a dime to make a call. You know what I'm saying, bruh?

[C]

The. Like, I remember television, maps in the car, bro. My dad actually said. I remember him saying, I'm old enough to remember my dad saying, we need to get to the bank before it closes because the bank wasn't open on the weekend. It wasn't no ATMs around. Like, talking about, like, they. They had. That they had ATMs, but it was hard to, like, I'm telling you.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Different.

[D]

No, it's funny because I was telling this. I was explaining this to my. My son the other day because his grandmother tried to give him popcorn. And the rules have changed around kids. They treat them like, you know, hoes now, basically.

[B]

Oh, you can't eat.

[D]

You can't. You can't eat popcorn until you're like, five years old. Okay. Because, you know, the seeds, whatever. So anyway, I said, you know, Desmond, Daddy is so old. I remember we. I remember when we got our first microwave, and before then, we literally used to heat up popcorn on the stove. Like, that's how you had to have popcorn.

[C]

Yeah, you pop it over the stove.

[D]

Pop it on stove, man. And I was like.

[B]

But that was better over the stove.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah, that'd be. I mean, yeah, but that's. That sounds like coke, but whatever. But. Yeah, but. But you get it. Yeah, we have some, old man. I dare any of Y' all approaching 50 to get your ass up and race against me, dog. You know what I'm saying?

[F]

Why are you challenging more people?

[D]

I did that already. You weren't here for that.

[B]

He. He challenged everybody for the field day in August and he said he's been drinking protein powder, water, protein shake, muscle

[D]

milk, dog, you ain't seen this.

[F]

You got a deal. We don't know about that. You need to mention the name and hold it up in front of the camera. Were you proud of your performance?

[D]

No.

[B]

Oh, okay, okay.

[D]

No, I mean, I wasn't. I told you I felt like a goofy ass dad in an America's Funniest Home Videos clip. Like, I was like, oh, man, that looks bad. I. You don't. Nobody, when you grow up, you don't ever think of being an embarrassing old man. You know what I mean? Like, I remember one of my football coaches tried to show me to how to do a cut and that fell down out there. I remember it, you know, 35 years later, because I was like, man, he looked old and goofy, man. And I was like, I'm that. I'm that now, man. You know what I'm saying? Shout out Coach Galladay, man. Rip. I love him to death, man. Coach Galladay, man.

[C]

Let me tell y' all something right now. If you a coach, and it is a fine line between looking like a God in front of your youngsters and losing them forever, like, it's a fine line. You're out there with these old coaches. They want to get the ball, they want to get the bat. I'm not even going to make fun of this guy because he not going to take the joke well. And that's still. That's my homeboy's father. But, you know, if you gonna take the bat and teach us how to hit the ball. If you swing through seven pitches in a row when a 12 year old is throwing it, don't respect you. Again, we might even have to take this out. But, like, you lose the team, you lose the team. Let me show you guys how to make contact. And you gotta make contact. Yeah, okay. It's funny. 1992. That happened in 1992.

[D]

A long time ago, I watched this dude on the Internet named 300 and he has all the running backs. Like, he had Kaden Durham working with him the other day, man. And he, like, he has him going through cones and all this other. And I noticed he doesn't do any of it now. You know what I'm saying? Like, he used. I think he was, like, a college running back. And he still looks. He's in really good shape. But, you know, I don't see clips of him breaking his ass out there, going around those bags and jumping over, because it's like, yo, man, like, I don't want. I don't want to give y' all tape. I don't want to show it to y'. All. And that's Billy. That was the thing that I was saying. I was like, I'm. I don't remember who this listener is. A reader, whatever he said, Joel's down with the smoke, man. Joe's look good for any smoke. And that's true. And I don't get. I don't feel like enough people appreciate it that I was like, it. I'll go out there. I don't care. I'm down for any competition. That's how I live.

[C]

Well, somebody just weighed in, and his name is. This person's name is Hilda Broom. Seven.

[D]

Come on, man.

[C]

They are the founder of Hilda Broom.

[D]

Oh, and.

[C]

And what? I'm just saying. And they say that they don't believe. Say, okay, I take it back. I no longer believe Joel ran a 4:3. They don't believe in 4:3 no more.

[D]

I never said I ran a 4:3. I never said I ran a 4:3. I ran.

[B]

Joel, be careful, because we can pull clips.

[D]

I'm. I'm 47 years old. I'll be 48 next week. Okay. Like, get out of here. Yeah, I know it's right. I've been around. I'm not gonna get another 48. I'm past mid. I'm past mid. Mid age, right. Middle age. So I don't know what people expected. They really thought that A was gonna get out there and be like I was when I was 18 years old, when I was rocked up and fast and ready to do. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

But you did say in two months.

[F]

Phrasing on that.

[C]

Rocked up.

[D]

I was swole, dog. I was swollen.

[C]

So you was out there. So he's out there running around. You was rocked up, huh?

[D]

Yeah, I was rocking 227. That's right. Hey, man, I'll never forget one time I got. Y' all know Elvis? Elvis Mitchell? Does that name sound familiar? He was a. He used to be the New York Times movie critic, but at the time, he was the Fort Worth star television movie critic. And me and another intern, we went out in downtown Fort Worth one night. And I used to wear a sweater vest with nothing on underneath, you know what I'm saying? With my linen shorts and some sandals, you know, and, well, I was swollen a docs. I remember I was going. Going to 8.0s. People in TCU know about 8.0s and they wouldn't let me.

[B]

They tussling with that gear on as well.

[D]

They wouldn't let me in because I didn't have a. I didn't have sleeves on. On real shoes. But then I went to another bar that night. You tell me.

[F]

Rocked up though.

[D]

The bartenders, they could see. They could see. They could see a. Was lifting weights. And we went to the. I felt like Elvis was impressed that the bartender. It was a young lady who was like. I mean, she was all just filling the boy's arms and she was like, yeah, wow, you. You really work out. I was like, yeah, that's what's up. That's how I do. So people missed that. That I didn't. I'm not. I'm. That. That was a long time ago. That was, you know, 20. I mean, I don't know, man.

[B]

Are there any photos of this outfit?

[D]

And look, I do. I do have a photo of me and a sweater vest with no shirt on, but it was before I had gotten into the college, man. I mean, there's a picture of me from college where my. My wife calls my big arms, little head pitcher. I don't have it right now. Big arms, little head. I was on that creatine, Doug.

[B]

Huh?

[D]

There you go, Heavy.

[F]

Why were you hanging out with Elvis Mitchell?

[D]

He worked at the same newspaper as me. Like we were, you know, he was the. I don't.

[F]

Wait, this is when you were an adult, not when you were in college?

[D]

No, no, no, no, no. I was in college. I was in college. I was interning. I was doing like interning. I was interning. So I don't know if I don't remember if this is the time when I was there for the summer or if I was doing my part time work while I was still at school, but he was. I mean, you know, he took a liking to me, man. He was just like, yo, like you. And I think the other cat was named Steven from Midwest. Midwestern state in Abilene or Wichita Falls, I can't remember. Anyway, we went out that night, dawg, and it was cool, but I felt like, I don't know, you know, I Know, I never hung out with Elvis Mitchell again. Just lost track of him.

[F]

Tell Allison to get him on, I guess.

[B]

Yeah, add him to the list.

[D]

Look him up.

[B]

It would be good.

[D]

He was a big deal, man. I mean, he's still a big deal. Shout him out. He's a visiting lecturer at Harvard.

[C]

I'm happy, though, that, that, you know, we got to the. At least to the beginning of the Joel and Billy situation, because I think at Ringer Field Day, this is going to be like a real, real battle. Real battle. The Ringer Field day. I mean, really, we're gonna. Everybody's gonna come out there and do that thing. But Ringer Field Day, in a lot of ways is oriented around Joe versus Billy.

[B]

Yeah. Honestly, it's the race that everyone wants to see.

[C]

It's the race everybody wants to see.

[D]

That's fine.

[C]

Okay, so we'll just say that.

[B]

Billy, are you drinking protein powder?

[F]

I have. I haven't been. What should I be taking, Joel?

[D]

Well, I. I've got several. You said. I'll even help. I'll give you some of my tips. You want me to give you my. The workout that I'm planning on starting to do.

[F]

When are you planning on starting it?

[D]

Yeah, I gotta find the time. What I am going to do is I'm going to do it on work time because I consider this part of my work. So I'm. Now I'm going to just start saying when I'm working out that that counts as work because I'm doing it for the show.

[F]

So what are you waiting on to

[D]

start finding the time? Finding the time.

[F]

Work time.

[D]

Now I'm going to start doing it. Now I'm going to start doing it, man. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Maybe you start doing like, calf raises and things like, while we're recording.

[D]

Yeah, right now I'm in a. I got. I'm on a writing deadline. I got a lot of story. Stories right over the next week.

[B]

Trying to get fit when you're writing. Yeah, it's tough.

[D]

Got a lot of going on around here, bro.

[F]

I've never seen a really in shape writer, now that you mention it. Joel, you didn't.

[D]

You didn't see me once upon a time.

[B]

Oh, well, yeah, that's true.

[D]

I mean, this is later. I was. I mean, dog. But look, man, I was. I've. I've had some phases, but I feel like there was one good one. I mean, I was doing CrossFit right around the time I turned 40 and Palo Alto. And I mean, you know, I'm saying, man, I would have bench pressed 275, like, eight times. You know, I was.

[C]

Was.

[D]

I was on my dog. But if all fell apart once I had kids, you know, it fell apart. I haven't been. I touched the gym since I had to give away.

[B]

Now you're. Now people treat them like hoes. So.

[D]

Yeah, man. People, man. Again, man. Yeah. People are being hoes about that. I'm just like, bro, take your ass. I said, let's go see you go do something against a neighborhood. Ym. Go do some. Let me see. See what you got, you know, but whatever.

[B]

So what you're gonna do? CrossFit for August? I mean, that sounds like that.

[D]

I would love to. I think I. I got some other stuff in mind, but I got a homeboy working with me on a workout plan. You know what I'm saying? So. Yeah.

[B]

So you have a trainer already lined up. You have an assistant. You have a trainer.

[D]

Yeah, I do have an assistant.

[B]

You have a whole support staff.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

Billy's just.

[D]

I'm working on it.

[B]

Manly working. So now if you lose to Billy, it looks even worse.

[D]

I'm not afraid.

[C]

You got to get it done.

[D]

I'm not afraid. I mean, the thing. The lesson is that Joel's not afraid, man.

[F]

Third person.

[C]

I'll tell you something, Billy. I'll tell you something. Billy has an entire. Like, he's got a hive.

[D]

Yeah. Billy Gil Mafia. Yeah. I mean, they love him, Billy.

[B]

What do you mean? For all you know, Joel, they might be the ones listening to the re. Watchables going after you.

[D]

Yeah.

[F]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

I didn't ask about that. How'd that go? Because I listened to the episode for you.

[C]

Look at Billy.

[B]

I listen to the episode.

[C]

Look at how Happy Movie.

[B]

And it's like, okay,

[D]

that's fine. That's fine. I don't know.

[C]

I want everybody that's watching this. Y' all gotta watch. Watch how Billy was slightly low energy talking about Field Day. I don't think he wants to do it, but the moment that the rewatchables came up, like, watch.

[B]

Look. Look at his eyes.

[D]

Lit up.

[C]

His eyes. What do you have?

[D]

Your people are talking about me on the Internet. I don't know how bad it is, and I will never know because I will never look it up. I already had Internet fights this week. I don't need another one. So. Yeah, but I mean. Yeah. How did it go? I mean, a lot of people were mad. Apparently, that's how I went. But Bill told me, man. Bill, man, he's down ass, man. He. He's like, my opinion is matters. That's the only one. He's. My opinion is the only one that matters. And I. I'm sticking to that. You know what I'm saying? So whatever. Yeah. I was like, so if you are seeing me on YouTube or Netflix and you got a problem with it, I'm sorry. Okay, sorry. Sorry. I didn't go.

[C]

Well, we. We. So we. Big dogging, huh?

[D]

I'm just saying. I mean, you. The. That was in the LA Times. You know what I'm saying? You.

[C]

You were.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Profile.

[D]

Yeah. Did we talk about him Profiled in the LA Times.

[C]

They came to see the studio. Just to let you guys know that that profile is actually about Sycamore and Rachel and I came to see the studio. But. But I. But I'll tell you something. It's not about. I like the. Okay. You know, Big dog. People say it. I'm on Netflix. You not. That's what the you talking about. Okay? That's how you come in.

[B]

And in third person.

[D]

That's some of it. That's some of it. I mean, well, I mean, what am I, you know? Again, you're gonna be mad at me and say I did bad. Well, okay, sure, whatever. I'll get another rep. I'm. I'll be okay.

[C]

All right.

[B]

All right.

[D]

And so. And look. Okay. Like, Tropic Thunder is okay.

[C]

Joel, come on, bro.

[D]

I stand by. It's not my favorite comedy deal with you. I'm sorry that it hurt. What kind of are you that you gotta like. I gotta like it for you to feel good about it. You know, Roscoe Jenkins, nothing anybody thinks or says about it that's going to change the way I feel about it.

[C]

Okay, just real quick, just so everybody knows, the Rewatchables podcast is a celebration of movies. We watch movies and we reminisce. Some. Some do it better than others. Like. Like, we watch movies and we reminisce on the things that we loved about the movies and just how great the movie is. That's the purpose and the ethos of the rewatchable. So the people that are saying. The people that are saying you didn't like the movie and they have a problem with that. Like, it's actually not. They are. I don't want to say that they are. Right. But what I'm saying is the expectation of the podcast is going to be a celebration of the movie. Imagine if people came on here and you was like, I hate college football. College football. That's Kind of. Wouldn't you say that? That's fair, though, now that. Now that.

[D]

No, not really.

[C]

I mean, look, again. What.

[D]

I mean again, I didn't say anything that I didn't think wasn't a celebration of the movie. I just said I didn't think it was as good as it was when I first saw it.

[B]

You. You just said you didn't like it.

[D]

I didn't say I didn't like it.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

Get over it. You know what I'm saying?

[C]

Okay.

[F]

Sound like if you do Rosco Jenkins, though, you're all in because you.

[D]

Oh, man, that's one of my favorite movies. I love that movie, dog. Oh, man, they had.

[C]

Let me tell you what movie's not getting done. Welcome Rosco Jenkins.

[D]

Yeah, I know that's a little niche, you know what I'm saying? Anytime I. Come on, I'm watching it, dog.

[B]

Maybe you do your own episode.

[D]

Yeah, I would love to. You know, I do have to. You know, eventually I'm have to start doing my own videos on this and this dog. So. Yeah, maybe I will. Maybe I'll watch along and watch. Welcome home, Roscoe Jenkins. With your people. You could.

[B]

You have a new series called the Watch Alongs?

[D]

Yeah, man, we were. I mean, you know, we ain't gonna talk about it, but I think initially that was the whole reason I came out to la. Didn't quite work out that way, but that's fine. We didn't even go to dinner like we had said, and that didn't happen either. So whatever.

[B]

You wouldn't have that shirt if we went to dinner. Just think about that.

[D]

Yeah, that's probably true. That's probably true. I just. I was expecting us to go so

[C]

far off the rails right now. Guys. Can we get. Can we. Can we gotta get back.

[D]

Oh, yeah, sorry.

[B]

I. I mean, I think we. I think we've basically done. There's just one more story I want. Wanted to bring up just because I do think it is fascinating. Vanderbilt true freshman who was committed to Georgia, Jared Curtis is appearing in Nate Bargazi's new movie, the Breadwinner as part of his nil deal with Vanderbilt. Now that is a sentence I never thought I would read out loud. Also, I have to ask, Joel, do you know who Nate Bargazi is?

[D]

Of course not. The. Is that. Let me look him up, man. I guess I should have looked him up.

[B]

That was the reason I wanted to read the story to you.

[D]

Okay. Is he a comedian?

[B]

Yeah, called the Breadwinner.

[C]

Gigantic comedian.

[D]

Okay, let's have these followers he's got on Instagram. Hold on.

[C]

Go see.

[D]

Is he a Tom Segura? He got.

[C]

He's probably a little bit bigger than Tom.

[D]

Oh, really? Okay, my bad. Okay.

[C]

Yeah, he's a huge comedian.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Hold on. Okay, Nate.

[B]

I mean, this movie's got Mandy Moore in it, which is a. In the Hillary Duff category of Nay.

[C]

Bar Gassy has 3 million followers on Instagram.

[D]

Okay. Man, he sounds famous. Not. Not familiar with his work. I'mma following. Oh, man. My boys Decker and Ed are following them, dog.

[C]

All right, well, I think he's very funny.

[D]

Take. You follow him.

[B]

He's a clean comedian. I do follow him.

[D]

Okay. It says, you follow him. Shout out, my boy.

[B]

That's probably years ago. He's. He kind of blew up like he used to be, kind of. I just, like, sometimes I appreciate the art form of just, like, clean comedy. You know what I mean? Simple, easy. You gotta respect it.

[D]

I'm with.

[C]

Jimmy Spencer is following Shout Out. Jimmy Spencer, man. Jimmy's following them.

[D]

My boy Dave Wilson over at espn.

[C]

That's enough.

[B]

But isn't that wild, though? True freshman. Never played a game. Getting a movie role in a, you know, majorly released film just because Neymar Gats is a fan of Vanderbilt. So that's the world we live in.

[C]

I mean, I think it's horseshit, but. Really?

[D]

Really?

[C]

Yeah, but it is. I mean, it is what it is. I just think. I just think it's kind of horseshit. I'm not gonna bullshit you.

[B]

I think it's never played a game.

[C]

Wait.

[B]

I think. I think Diego Pavia should have been this movie.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, if it's gonna. If it's gonna be a Vanderbilt quarterback, why not the guy who's not gonna have a career in the NFL? Probably, you know, like, let's get him in the comedy world.

[D]

But I guess, like, Vanderbilt is trying to make a pitch, and when they're saying, here. Here's. Here's the list of things we can do for you. You know, there's a guy at ucla, I don't think that played any football whatsoever. But I saw so many articles about Chase Griffin tapping in on his nil earnings, and they were doing. And then I think I saw something about UCLA doing a thing where they were connecting them with folks in Hollywood and, you know, letting them know about the opportunities, whatever, and run it up. And I'm like, I guess that's just. That's just a part of it. I mean, Vanderbilt has to do that to get Jared Curtis to Forget about Georgia to go to Vanderbilt.

[B]

I mean, that was a big story when he decommitted and committed to Vanderbilt. But now we see why there was some, you know, perks to the. To the commitment getting in a Nate Borgazzi movie, who Joel does not know.

[D]

Did he done another movie besides that Breadwinner?

[C]

So, Joe, let me ask you a question. Would you say that anyone who has hosted Saturday Night Live was famous? Was legitimately famous? Would you say that?

[D]

Yeah, I would. I mean, I mostly. Yeah, I would mostly agree to that. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. Nate Bargazzi has hosted Saturday Night Live.

[D]

You know, I didn't. My argument was not that he was famous. My argument was that I didn't know who he was.

[C]

I.

[D]

And. And that is. That is. That is. That is not representative of anybody's fame whatsoever. I mean, but also, I feel like sometimes, like, I don't know, like. Do y' all know the dude to play Stacy in the. In. In the Wood?

[C]

Yes, he's also. Now he. Because anybody that knows who he played to play Stacy in the Wood, he also. Actually, it was good to see that he was in Snowfall for a lot, too. Yeah, that's been around for a long time. Was also in Tales from the Hood.

[D]

Yeah, man. So, I mean, I'm just like. I mean, there's a lot of. I'm familiar with in movies, and I got. People don't feel the need to have to be familiar with them. How many? Name a bunch of Frankie Beverly and May songs. You know what I'm saying? Like, I mean, just because I don't know who Nate Bar Gatsby is. I mean, I've chosen a sign of a kind of culture that I want to follow. And I don't have a lot of time, and I'm going to enjoy and invest in that and watch. Welcome home, Roscoe Jenkins, dog. I'm sorry.

[B]

You know, I mean, I feel like.

[C]

You like Tales from the Hood. You like that, man.

[D]

You know what, man? I watched that one.

[C]

Didn't see it.

[D]

I watched it up. But no, wait, wait.

[C]

What's wrong? Wait, so you're talking about you got this culture that you've turned. It's that you don't know people, period. How many times I gotta watch Rusty Condief Direct sales from the. So I'm saying is, you can.

[D]

I saw Fear of the Black Hat.

[C]

Fear of a Black Hat. It's great. Love that.

[D]

Love the good movie. Yeah.

[C]

I'm black, y'. All. I'm black, y'.

[D]

All.

[C]

Yeah, black, y'.

[B]

All.

[C]

Black and black. And I booty the black. Fear of a black hat. What I'm saying is you can know all of that, and you can know who Nate's bargazi is. I'm saying fever. Black hat is hysterical, by the way. Y' all been a lot.

[D]

Y' all should do it on rewatch.

[B]

And it's saying, don't box yourself in, Joel.

[D]

There's a whole world of in.

[C]

Shout out to Rusty.

[D]

Is he from. He's still around, yeah.

[C]

Shout out to Rusty. Condief.

[D]

Man, I saw a Sprung. Yeah. Good movie.

[C]

You saw Sprung, right? Sprung.

[D]

I saw Sprung.

[C]

Great.

[D]

I saw Sprung at the movies, dog. I saw.

[C]

I went to the movies to see all I'm saying.

[D]

I went and saw Ride. Did you see Ride?

[C]

Did you see Ride? I saw all of those movies. Right. I remember my man Derek Daresburg came back. He went to see Rod. I asked Derek. I was like, how was Rod? Man, that was an hour and 15 minutes.

[D]

It was tough.

[C]

He was like, put a lot into Ride. But I. But I. I took my ass to see the movie. Yeah, man, I see my ass to see Ride.

[D]

I went and saw the photograph. You know what I'm saying? I did all. I did all this. I've done all as much as I can. South side with you or whatever, you know,

[C]

it's not south side with you. So south side. South side with you is the movie about Barack Michelle Obama.

[D]

Yeah, that's the one I'm talking about. I'm talking about.

[C]

I thought you were talking about south side the show. Oh, Shout out to Diallo and Bashir.

[D]

Yeah, I've seen that a couple times.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay. Apparently. So rod is 83 minutes. So I. I remember he went and saw Ride and he was like, yo, man, that wheels in and out. That. But yeah, right.

[D]

Malik. Malik Yoba. Melissa d', Souza, John Witherspoon, Fredro star.

[C]

Dallas was Dallas De Leon from mtv.

[D]

Yeah, she's using that. Yeah, man. Yeah, the lady arranged. I didn't realize she was in it, too.

[B]

I'm glad you. You're showcasing. You do have, you know, a lot of knowledge on, you know, films and things like that in pop culture. Shout out to you, Joel. We love to see that last story. Last thing. I wanted to hit usc, Notre Dame in talks to resume the rivalry. Big talking point for us during the season. They were done. Lincoln Riley was out. Now it seems like it's going to come back around. So good news for usc, Notre Dame, good news for college football, because this was a rivalry game that we need to have. So just, you know, talks are happening. I don't know if it's gonna happen, but talks are happening.

[D]

I'm. I'm glad it's happening, but if it lo. If it went away. I remember when this was all happening and I was like, if it goes away, I'm not tripping. I mean, just. Just think of all the games we've lost as college football fans in our lifetime. Like, I lost Oklahoma, Nebraska, that game actually used to mean, like, that was a real big game once upon a time. They don't even play each other really like that no more. Michigan versus Notre Dame, you know, they used to play each other a lot more. Man, I've lived a life where Texas did not play Texas A M for more than a decade.

[B]

You know, I know that's crazy.

[D]

So if I can lose games like that, I'm just kind of prepared to lose all sorts of games. It is definitely better that they're playing, but, like, if they didn't, it would only. Well, I shouldn't say it would only matter to USC and Notre Dame fans, but it's just like, that's just, you know, Texas.

[B]

It really matters to USC fans, at least in my. I have a lot of USC people around me in my neighborhood. It really matters to them. They.

[D]

You think Notre Dame.

[B]

They were very upset about this, do you think? I think they care at some level, but Notre Dame thinks they're above everybody, at least in my experience with Notre Dame fans. So, like usc, I think they care about this rivalry game, so they want it back.

[C]

The question is, we've lost a lot of them, and we're fine. The question is, do we need to lose more? Right?

[B]

Yeah, that's true.

[C]

Do we need to. Do we need to lose more? That's the question. I understand college football is going to go. The world's going to spin on do we need to lose more games? Why do we have to lose Notre Dame, usc? There's no reason why you have to lose it. Continue to play the game if you can.

[B]

Yeah, play the game. Let's do it. And I know Lincoln Riley was trying to duck and dodge, but we don't need that. We need him to play the game. That was the real story. Joel.

[D]

I mean, I'm just saying. I mean, like, I don't. Don't y' all have hopes of going over to the USC campus sometime and getting the same treatment over there that we got at ucla?

[B]

I think that's the reason that they've changed their tune, because he was Trying to avoid that game. And then people were like, hey, wait a second. Like, we don't. We don't dodge. We don't duck, we don't dip. Maybe they dip because they're coaches, but, you know, I think. I think that's the good news. He's gonna come back around. They're having talks. All right, last thing. Parting shots. Joel, anything else that we missed today?

[D]

Oh, I don't think so, man. I don't know if I got anything else. I think that's. Oh, man. You know, I just kind of. This is one thing that has been kind of happening, and I haven't listened to the whole Drake album. Okay.

[B]

Iceman.

[D]

Iceman. All three of them.

[B]

I guess there were three albums that came out. They're saying he pulled a friend. Yeah, yeah.

[D]

And I guess this is my fault for engaging with the world through social media. The one thing that is just really annoying about a lot of Drake fans is that they're the act. Like, they're the only ones who have ever had sex before. You know, there's like, well, man, Drake is for who get. You know what I'm saying? That kind of stuff. And I'm so.

[B]

Drake said that at one point.

[D]

That's why they said. I mean, come on, dog. I mean, grow up. Like, we're. We're. I mean, Drake, you 40, dog.

[B]

That's a good message.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. Like, grow up. Grow up, dog. Like, seriously, like, not that cool. Let's cool out.

[C]

Oh, my God. What the are you doing? Are you just like, you, You. You're so. Do you not like the music or are you mad at Drake?

[D]

Oh, I'm. I'm the fans. I actually don't have a problem with Drake. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't.

[B]

Sounds like you did.

[C]

That's fantastic. That's good to know.

[D]

He's not really. I don't. I mean, you know, like, I don't find myself going back to a lot of his music, but when he was rolling and I. That's probably evidence of me saying with the first time I ever heard that dude, I was like, oh, this dude's gonna be a superstar. And people like, no, he's not. He's goofy ass actor or whatever. And I was like, that can rap and his look and everything. I thought he was gonna be a superstar. Handsome guy. Handsome guy.

[B]

Is he the most handsome rapper in your book?

[D]

Oh, that's a tough one. Probably not. Of course not. Nah, man.

[B]

Who's the most handsome rapper?

[D]

I mean, I mean, it just kind of depends on what you into, dog. Like, I mean, you know, El Cool J was very. A very handsome guy for his time, you know what I mean? And he kind of had the whole, you know, he was at the whole pack. Big Daddy Kane, you know what I'm saying? When he was younger, it was very, you know.

[B]

Big Daddy Kane lives in North Carolina.

[D]

Does he really? So does Sadat X, but what is he doing in North Carolina?

[B]

I think he went down there at one point and was just like, I like it down there. And he just lives in Wake Forest. Yeah.

[D]

Probably want a little land, a little space.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Good for him, man. Big dad Kane, it's always crazy to me that he and Jay Z the same age, but that is crazy.

[B]

I didn't realize that. Yeah. All right, so your number one pick for most handsome rappers. Drake.

[D]

No, I say. I think I'm gonna probably go with in terms of. I had to guess.

[B]

I mean, ladies love. Cool J is a good.

[D]

Yeah, I think. Oh, Cool J probably is like the number one dude in rap for that, man. You know, I don't know if a lot of women, I mean, he's, you know, he's older now. I don't know if women still feel. But like, in terms of his peak and what people thought of him, I think it's gotta be Cool J. I think there's a lot of ladies that like Drake and he's obviously been very successful with them. But I'm not gonna say, you know, he's probably top five, you know what I'm saying?

[B]

I was hoping you're gonna say Puff Daddy.

[D]

Come on, dog. Oh, man, when Mace was rolling, he was a very handsome guy. Cameron is a handsome guy, you know what I'm saying? So I don't, I don't.

[B]

ASAP Rocky. Yeah, throw him in there.

[D]

Yeah, I can see what people would see, the ASAP Rocky thing. So I. Yeah, he is a model. The Drake thing. And it's just kind of, you know, it's just like he's, he's, he's, he's biracial, he's light skinned. So people, I think people are giving him extra credit for that. But not that he is unattractive guy, but anyway.

[B]

All right, so shots fired at Iceman from. Maybe that could be clipped out on his next album as he responds to the haters. That'd be good. Van, any parting shots, Any thoughts on Drake or anything else from the college football world?

[C]

No, I wanted to talk to Joel about this NAACP thing. I saw him talk To.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

About it. I just want to ask Joel real quick. We don't have to get into a whole nother segment. Joel, do you think that young black athletes from the south should boycott schools where the state is engaged in unfair gerrymandering against black voters?

[D]

Yes, and I always have, but with the context that we need to politically engage them earlier, create community with them so that they can see how our destinies are tied together. And I think that, like, they should know that they're not going to be the only people that have to sacrifice something. Like, there needs to be a plan. Like, what if a bunch of guys in Georgia. Yeah.

[C]

Learning. They. They can't be the. They can't be doing it by themselves.

[D]

Really. Okay, man. I thought I listened. Yeah. All right. So, yeah, I agree. Yeah. They need to know that they got people that'll back them up, whether that's financially. And also, I just got to be honest, man, some of these former players who played at those schools and who go out on the sideline and be trotted out for these schools, it wouldn't hurt if they said something and also tried to help those young brothers out. Like, that's the way that you get a movement going. But, like, as it is just asking them to give up money, as you said, like that, I could understand where it feels unfair and why a kid might not want to do it. So I think you've got to engage them early.

[B]

I think that's a good call for the. For the ones that are already good and already in good standing, they're probably the ones that can make more of a difference than telling kids to sacrifice, you know, on their own, on the front end.

[C]

So I'm just saying it has to be a part of a larger movement.

[B]

Movement.

[C]

Right. Because if I'm a recruit in Louisiana and I decide I'm not going to go to lsu, I'm not going to go to Texas, I'm not going to go wherever. And then I see all of black America descend on New Orleans for the Essence Fest in New Orleans. And I see. And that's. This is. We're talking about state institutions, and holding them accountable is different than economic solidarity against businesses or entities and stuff like that. It still would feel a little weird, particularly probably for the parents, not as much for the students. Right, right. So if you're seeing black people continue to fly to Miami or go to Atlanta or go to places like that. Well, George is not really doing a gerrymandering and whatever, but if the NABJ goes to Birmingham for its deal. All of that would have to stop. All of that would have to stop. They'd have to be like, like an economic freeze out of all of these states. And it would have to be robust. And as part of that, we'd have to really hit these schools where it, where it hurts. Because if not, then we're asking 18, 19 year old kids to be the tip of the spear and they just don't have the life experience yet. It's a really tough sell. And then you're also talking about that also in regards of the parents, the parents who I'm just gonna be really with you just to be cynical. A lot of these parents and families are looking at these kids as once in a generational lottery tickets out of situations and circumstances that they're in. And they want the easiest path to get there as possible. And that path might be going to the school that's closest to them and not going to Michigan or Washington or some other place. I'm not saying that any of this should stop conversation about this because I think this is a very important component to holding southern states particularly responsible for doing this unconscionable rollback of so much of the progress that's been made over the past decades. The blood, sweat and tears that my ancestors really gave to, to, to, to make sure that we have proper representation. All of this has to be a part of it, but it has to be a more robust conversation than just you shouldn't go to Mississippi or whatever. If anyone wanted to do that, I would definitely be in support. Even with lsu. If a guy right now from New Iberia goes, we're gerrymandering in Louisiana. I'm not going to lsu. I'm getting a couple of states away, north or south, I'm not, I'm not going there. You got my support. I have no problem with it 1000%. But to put that on them, it's just, I, I, I, I don't.

[B]

It's a big burden.

[C]

Yeah, it's a big burden.

[D]

And I remember on your show you said it doesn't it, this is to make an impact. It doesn't require 300 athletes to do it. It could take five like a targeted.

[C]

But that's five stars.

[D]

Yeah, but that's part of that is organizing like which are they going to be? And I think that it is possible and I'm glad that the NAACP and the cb, CBC said something because I think it just gives us some energy and some life that maybe that conversation has long needed and Again, I don't think that they suggested that that's all that's going to happen and we only gonna put it on 18 year olds. But I think that, like, now it's like, all right, how would this look? But who else is going to join them? How are we going to engage these kids? And I think that's a great conversation to have.

[C]

Oh, before we go, real quick, Tate, Jerry Sackhouse has emerged as a candidate to be the next Chicago Bulls head coach.

[B]

Let's go. Love to see it.

[D]

Okay, let's go.

[B]

Jerry coaching Caleb Wilson in Chicago. That'd be amazing.

[D]

Oh, man. Okay. All right.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, man. That's what we need right there. Steckhouse is a great coach, by the way.

[C]

You.

[D]

You were saying to your credit that you wanted to see Stack potentially get that job.

[B]

I remember you saying, I love Stackhouse. I mean, just. I like that he would literally punch Christian Laitner in the face. He was really trying to mess with him. I like that he is, you know, no nonsense. And also, I think he's just like. He's kind of underrated as, like, an X and O's coach. I mean, he won G League.

[D]

Yeah. He's really Coach of the year, wasn't he?

[B]

Yeah, coach of the year, so. And I think he did a good job with the warriors this year. I mean, he was kind of the confidant for Draymond throughout all those, you know, moments throughout the season. So, yeah, that'd be great.

[D]

I think. Also. Wait a minute. Jerry Steckhouse, I think, was also SEC Coach of the Year one of these years, man, wasn't he? Yeah, he was SEC Coach of the Year 2023.

[B]

2023. Yeah.

[D]

So.

[B]

And then they ran him up out of there.

[D]

Yeah. And again, like, this is before, they committed in the way that they did to Nil and everything else, so. So, yeah, I mean, I'm glad to see him get another chance.

[B]

Yeah. And he's cool with Malone, so, like, they. They get along. I mean, I know he came out and said he was upset he didn't get interviewed for the Carolina job, but I think that was a fair gripe. I. I know I threw his name out there when I was asked, so.

[C]

Sure.

[B]

I'm happy to hear about the Bulls being involved, so that's good news. Love to hear that. Nice parting shot right there for Jerry Stackhouse, but thanks to everybody for tuning in the ringer tailgate. We had a lot of fun. Always a good time with you guys. Glad to be back for a regular rotation of the show. We will take a break and we will see you all next Wednesday. Must be 21 or older in President select states for Kansas and affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 and older in President, D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling Problem Call 1-800-GAMBLER or 1-800-MY-RESET. Call 1-887-89-7777 or visit ccpg.org chatincenetic or visit mdgamblinghelp.org In Maryland, hope is here. Visit gamblinghelplinema.org or call 800-327-5050. For 24. 7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8-HOPE&Y or text HOPE&Y in New York. For Louisiana, call 1-877-770-7867.