C (1:47)

All right, I'm. Is it good?

B (1:48)

I. I think he's okay. Are you okay, Joe?

C (1:51)

Joel, There you go.

A (1:52)

That's perfect.

C (1:53)

Yeah, that looks great. I haven't. I haven't done a lot of live podcasting.

A (1:56)

No, you. You're doing great.

C (1:58)

You're good.

B (1:58)

You're doing every week.

C (2:00)

Oh, yeah, right. You're right.

A (2:02)

Billy did remind us. You do this every week, but we are in person today. But if I just told us August 19th, Indiana is going to win the national championship, how real would that have felt? And how insane is it that that actually happened?

B (2:17)

It's pretty insane. I don't think anyone thought that they would be able to put it together and. And get here. And in this type of dominant way, they did not play their best or coach their best tonight.

A (2:28)

Yes.

B (2:29)

However, the entire body of work from the beginning of the season to now, the team has been resilient. They've answered the challenge, and they put together one of the more impressive seasons in college football history.

C (2:41)

Man, they. I mean, they had to gut that victory out there was any number of times tonight where it was like, man, you just kind of felt like they were a little shaky, that, like Miami was finally rolling. They got in some rhythm on offense and shut them down a little bit on defense.

A (2:55)

Second half for sure.

B (2:55)

Second half.

C (2:56)

Yeah, yeah. And then. But like, Indiana consistently fought them off. Like, they just, they. They made the plays that they had to make at that time. And we hadn't seen them play a close playoff game yet. So that says something about, like, what they're made of. And you know, like, we were talking about how Signetti and them just kind.

A (3:13)

Of looked a little like, out of it. Yeah, yeah, it was out of. It was very out of character moment. The two timeouts, especially for Signetti in the second half, felt like things that never would have happened because he's so buttoned up, but at some level, it kind of showed that he is mortal. Right? I mean, we haven't seen him sweat at all.

B (3:28)

No, we haven't seen him sweat. His team continued to make plays, man.

A (3:33)

Charlie Becker.

B (3:34)

Charlie Becker. And as you're going to go back and you're going to look at Fernando Mendoza and you're going to talk about the gigantic scramble on fourth down. Key throws that he made. But, man, on the outside, the fight for those back shoulder throws that he was making. Huge, huge conversions. The Miami DB just not being able to meet the moment. But I just like to me, every time they went over there, I was surprised that it was completed.

C (4:05)

Yeah. Wait, you were surprised? Surprised, surprised. He was talking about first. Well, I mean, I'm not gonna get too far off. Cause you talking about Malachi. Tony was.

B (4:13)

Sorry, that's all I said.

A (4:14)

We're talking about Indiana.

B (4:19)

Hold on, Wait, wait, wait.

A (4:21)

You were trying to motivate the moment.

B (4:22)

I was trying use psychic energy to get Malachi tell. You guys were called. You said Jesus, Jesus a couple of times. And then I'm like, Jesus would have scored, man. Jesus would have got to the end zone. Joel. Joel, you looking at the chat?

C (4:41)

Joel is. Yeah, I'm looking at the chat, man.

A (4:43)

Joel is kind of breaking all the laws.

C (4:45)

Do you all. Wait, am I not allowed to do this?

B (4:47)

You're not supposed to do that.

A (4:48)

You're not supposed to be watching yourself.

C (4:50)

It's looking at the chat.

A (4:52)

Oh, okay. Do you have any Is there anything in the chat that's standing out to you right now you want to bring up?

C (4:56)

Where's people? Most city in the house. Windiana says Indiana. Someone check on Michael Irvin.

A (5:05)

Oh, yeah, man. Just the podcast just started with Netflix for Michael Irving. Congratulations. The White House had just had his first episode.

B (5:13)

Shout out to Brandon Marshall.

A (5:16)

I'm excited to watch it. But as far as, like, the Miami contingency, they still have to be pretty satisfied with where they ended up this season, right? Like, obviously, you, after a gut wrenching loss in the national championship game, not a good time to have that conversation. But when you pull back in about a couple of months, it's like, we got back to that moment. It's kind of like Notre Dame last year, right? We got back to that stage. We plan to be back. We know we have the right coach. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like there's positive spin for Miami. Rachel.

C (5:42)

I don't know if those guys get excited about finishing second on their home field at the end of season. Well, I mean, that doesn't seem like a Kane's thing to do. And if the contention is that the you is supposed to be coming back.

A (5:55)

Why I'm looking at you.

C (5:57)

All right.

A (5:58)

It is tough when you're in the middle. You're just swiveling, you know, I mean, it's the thing.

B (6:01)

It happens. I got to do that.

C (6:02)

He just swivel. Let.

A (6:04)

Let the man swivel.

C (6:05)

All right, My bad. Okay.

A (6:06)

So anyway, Miami, there's no positives. There's no silver lining here.

C (6:11)

There's no silver lining to losing like that.

B (6:13)

There's the clip.

C (6:14)

This.

A (6:17)

Zero. Silver lining for the Miami.

C (6:19)

This. Okay. Is it. Is me having this up distracting y'?

B (6:22)

All? Joel, if you don't talk about the football, it's fine, bro. Like, like, like. What? What are you trying to say?

C (6:28)

Okay. All right. So the point is, is that I don't think Miami gets geeked about finishing second. Like, this is a program that is. They measure themselves.

A (6:37)

But they were a 10 seed coming into a 12 team seed.

C (6:40)

But we also knew that they were talented. 10 seed, like every. And we said we. I'm sure all three of us points.

A (6:48)

We said they were extremely talented, but the general consensus was that they shouldn't have been in the playoff by. By the Notre Dame faithful and many other people.

B (6:55)

There are two different things here. One is that, yeah, Miami, a team that hasn't been to the mountaintop in a very long time, they're much like Notre Dame in that Way being that they were. They had power in the late 80s, early 90s and the 2000s and all that stuff. They are going to be some people that are like, hey, great season, whatever. Something else, though. This was a winnable game.

C (7:17)

Yeah, it was.

A (7:18)

So there.

B (7:18)

Yeah, this was a winnable game.

C (7:21)

They could have had it.

B (7:22)

They started slow on offense. It seemed as if, you know, right at the outset, Indiana came out and gave them some looks defensively that Carson Beck was not ready to handle. But not just him, the way they were calling the game, it seems like they were giving him reads and looks that didn't take advantage of the fact that there was some of the shorter stuff that was open. Started throwing that shorter stuff in the second half of the game opened up the offense a little bit for some reason. They went away from Fletcher.

A (7:52)

Yeah, the first half was no Fletcher, which is insane.

B (7:54)

They went away from him.

C (7:55)

So.

B (7:55)

And this is the mistakes, the blocked punt, the missed field goal, not being able to get off the field on two first downs, a couple of third downs, they're going to look back at this and go, man, there was a national championship right there for us. They matched Indiana's physicality. For the most part, Indiana could not crush them like they did. Other teams just couldn't make enough plays to win the game, though.

C (8:19)

The interesting thing is, though, is that it is funny because it was a winnable game, but they were never in control of it. Indiana controlled most of the action. Did they lead wire to wire? They led the wire to wire from start to finish. Right. And so it was like, yeah, they could have won that game, but the, the better team won and they were in control of the action most of the game. And the thing about Miami that we had said is that if they had to depend on Carson Beck to win, they probably would not be able to do it. Right. I think the one thing though, that was surprising because for all the talk about those offensive and the defensive lines and that's where the beef of that team was and that's how the foundation of the program was built. I mean, my aunt. Indiana kind of. I mean, they didn't punk them, but they were right there with their ass all night, you know what I'm saying? And that's. That's like that was supposed to been the big advantage for Miami and they didn't. That didn't materialize. Like, they did get good pass rush and all that stuff, but, oh, the.

B (9:15)

Pass rush was hellacious.

A (9:16)

Yeah, yeah.

C (9:17)

But when it was, Indiana got on those. Remember how we were when we were.

A (9:21)

Watching the game, had a big head.

C (9:23)

I was like, bro, on third and long, we don't respect you. We decided to run for it on third and eight. We decided to run for it on third and five. Like, we don't.

A (9:30)

We decided to run for it on 4th and 5.

B (9:32)

But that stuff, a lot of that stuff was scheme because. Because they are expecting. Miami is pinning their ears back on those third downs and going for the qb and they're running into the teeth of the defense. A lot of that is kind of coaching from the OC situations like that, taking advantage of how they were playing on those crucial downs.

C (9:55)

Well, that. That design run that Mendoza scored on, like, that is like, first of all, I mean, just genius. Like, it was beautiful. And of course, Mendoza, you know, made it for. With the balance and the breaking tackles or whatever, but it still was just like, okay, like, Miami, if that defensive line is what you say it is, and it still is a very good defensive line, again, I'm not trying to dismiss it.

A (10:16)

The strengths are on the end, not in the middle. And they gutted them in the middle.

C (10:20)

For Miami to have won this game, they had to kind of be borderline dominant against Indiana because Indiana had all the advantages everywhere else, and they didn't dominate on the lines. And so here you go. But again, I mean, shout out to Miami like they did. They did a great job. But I don't think Michael Irving, Clinton, Portis, Ray Lewis, like, man, that was a great season. I just don't think that's who they.

A (10:41)

I think at some point, they may have at least, like, a little bit of reflection. Just, like, it's nice to be back in the stage, in the moment.

C (10:47)

Right. What do you think Abella Danger thinks of the season?

B (10:50)

Oh, I think she's probably a little disappointed right now.

A (10:53)

She got a HD shot there.

B (10:54)

Got a HD shot. Shout out to espn.

A (10:56)

Was that the Brit Musburger shot of the game? Yeah. That was nice.

B (11:00)

They got a shot of her. She's, like, looking at the game. It was a tense moment, drama, you know what I mean? And I think that if I'm being for real, I think that there's been a lot of talk about, you know, different fans and people going to the game and stuff like that. But when I see her, what I see is a student of Miami, someone who is from down there, who cares about football. I think the real problem is the people out there. And really some of the people in here that look at things differently. I think that, well, I see a.

C (11:32)

Football you talking about Billy, like even.

B (11:33)

You, you bring it up for no reason. That loves football. Billy, like, what is your favorite contribution that a Bella Danger has made? What are you in the football ring?

C (11:46)

In the football ring?

B (11:47)

No, not something.

A (11:48)

Oh, okay.

B (11:49)

I'm talking about anything. You tell me.

C (11:51)

Does anybody know the name of any porn movie? No, I mean porn movies.

B (11:55)

They don't make porn movies.

C (11:56)

But scenes.

B (11:57)

Yeah, but they have different sites. So do you like her on Bang Bros? Do you like her on black? To do like which ones do you. All right, let's move on. Yeah, okay. Okay. Bill, you know what? You look like you like black. Why?

C (12:11)

What are you calling.

A (12:12)

I don't even know what that is.

C (12:13)

Why are you calling? Because that. That's. That black is really weird for a white man.

B (12:19)

I think white guys are probably the most. The ones that consume it the most.

C (12:22)

You think so?

B (12:23)

Probably so, yeah. They're probably the ones that like. Yeah, it's probably the ones that consume it.

C (12:28)

I mean that probably is true.

B (12:30)

But I know you don't think that they made a whole site for the like. It's. It's. It's. Okay. Never mind.

A (12:36)

Drink some water. So take a sip. Can we. You mentioned mid dose of the 4th and 5. I feel like that is going to be the game. The. The play that we all remember when we look back at this game. So two things I wanted to ask about this. Do we think obviously Signetti kind of botches the timeouts there, right? He has a third and five where he calls the timeout to get the play right. Play doesn't work. Now it's 4th and 5. They get the field goal unit running on the field late. And therefore he doesn't want to take a delay a game and lose five yards. So he takes a timeout. During that timeout, he decides, hey, we're not going to kick a field goal. We're going to actually go for this. How much say do you think Fernando Mendoza had in that decision? Because if I had to guess, this feels like you mentioned the Disney movie the. The Hooers idea. Never daunted is what the Hoosier fans want to call does feel like that is the moment the Paul Crew longest shard moment where Mendoza goes into his head coach and says give me the ball. Like I want this moment.

B (13:34)

How he said it. He said.

C (13:37)

We got go for it, coach. Come on, coach.

B (13:41)

We're here.

C (13:43)

We're here, coach. One time. And let me tell you something, Coach. Think about what the apostle Paul went through when he was walking to Damascus.

B (13:55)

He saw the light and he went for it. Coach put the ball in my head. That's what he did.

A (14:00)

He went from Saul to Paul.

B (14:02)

Yeah, okay.

C (14:05)

You saw the Saul. Tar says, okay, I got you. No Paul. All right. Well, yeah, man. So anyway, wait.

B (14:15)

Hey, you know what I want you guys to do? No, you guys don't know all that.

C (14:20)

You guys to follow up.

B (14:22)

You guys are watching live. I want somebody in the chat to be responsible for accounting for Joel's glitches. I want a glitch count for Joel as Joel.

C (14:34)

You glitched up. I did not glitch up. What was next?

A (14:38)

What was next? There is no next. It was more about Mendoza. In that moment, on 4th and 5, does he go and say, I want to make this call? Or is Signetti just saying, I already screwed this up. We might as well go for the throat here and win this game.

C (14:51)

Excuse me for laughing.

A (14:52)

Well, sorry.

C (14:55)

Excuse me for laughing.

A (14:56)

That was the ability.

C (14:57)

Very good impersonation. I was surprised. So anyway. But yeah, all right, enough of that. So.

A (15:04)

But that's a clip, though. That was a great clip.

C (15:05)

It was a clip. Oh, yeah. Since we all call clips out here. But anyway, the point of this is that I think that, yeah, once. Once you burn that time out, I. Again, I'm probably a lot more conservative in this, because I remember I was like, take the points. I just get three points. Like, make Miami prove that they can score a touchdown on you again.

A (15:25)

Because at that point, they just had the Fletcher long run. And then they had one good drive.

C (15:29)

Yeah, they had one good drive. I mean, Miami started moving the ball on Indiana, like.

A (15:32)

And they set up the third touchdown on the second touchdown because they faked it to Tony on the handoff. And then Fletcher goes inside for the touchdown.

B (15:39)

Took too long for Miami to get in the game to adapt to what Indiana was showing.

A (15:44)

I agree.

B (15:45)

They adapted. They changed it. They got really creative on offense on one of those drives, throwing a lot of stuff out to the edges, letting their guys get in space and make plays. But it seemed like before what they wanted was for Carson Beck to be Joe Montana, right? And read the game. And I'm not even putting it all on Carson Beck, because when you watch at. Watch some of those simulated pressures that were happening earlier in the game, you only had three rushing, right? So you had, like, eight guys dropped back and, like, what are you expecting to do here? You have to do something to make them get out of doing that.

C (16:20)

They showed something different. And I think if. Which is a very smart Thing. Hey, man, make Carson Beck have to think, like, about where to go with the ball, right? Like, not.

A (16:28)

And he looked like he was, like, go. Anticipating these stunts that they weren't coming.

C (16:33)

And then it's like, oh, that guy dropped. Now I got what I'm supposed to go with the ball. That's what you want Carson Beck to be doing. Like you want to. And so they got him into that, and then Miami kind of figured out, okay, like, we don't have to do that. Like, we don't.

A (16:44)

Especially on third down, right? They opened this game over seven on third down. And that was really the story, right. I mean, even if they were in a third and four, third and five situation, felt helpless at some level, and he's having to dump it down to Tony or whoever it is, and they had no shot. And then the other guys that were supposed to be sort of the supporting cast that has been stepping up, whether it's Keela marion, whether it's C.J. daniels. Daniels had a big catch.

C (17:04)

Yeah, the great catch. And. And Beck made a great play on that throw.

A (17:07)

Rolling out.

C (17:08)

Yeah. I mean, and for. His arm had looked kind of, like, soft to me in the last few weeks. I just, you know, just. It was. The ball seemed to have been floating on him. That was a great play for him. And to see CJ Daniel down the field and get the ball to him, that was a great play. So, like, I mean, yeah, I don't want.

B (17:22)

Beck started to.

C (17:23)

Come on.

B (17:23)

Look, Miami showed at different times in the game that they belonged to be on the field. You go back and you wonder, you know, how this team loses to smu. The Louisville game is a different one. Beck throws four picks. They did have a great season. I guess my question is this. Three losses, like my. Hey, you know what's funny, though? They.

C (17:46)

They. Wait, what's funny?

B (17:49)

Well, no, they.

A (17:50)

They.

B (17:51)

Three losses. I thought about something with Indiana.

C (17:53)

This.

B (17:54)

Indiana won the national championship. Have they won a national championship in their.

C (17:56)

In their history before in football?

B (17:58)

Yeah.

A (17:59)

No.

B (17:59)

No, they have not. Right.

A (18:00)

They've never even appeared in the championship game.

B (18:01)

They never.

C (18:02)

Yeah.

B (18:02)

So it seems like all time Indiana has leapt over, like, say, a tcu. So it seems as if.

C (18:10)

I mean, TCU won two national championships.

B (18:12)

I know. Like, what happened? Were Negroes allowed to.

C (18:15)

Like what?

B (18:16)

During what time?

C (18:17)

I mean. Well, look, again, I don't just ask.

B (18:19)

What was the time?

C (18:20)

It was in the 30s.

B (18:21)

Okay? In the 30s. Right. So we weren't allowed to go to the grocery store. So it.

C (18:24)

Well, not their grocery Store. Just because we couldn't go to the white man's grocery store didn't mean we didn't have grocery store.

B (18:29)

That's what I'm talking about right there. Martin Luther King Day. We had our own. Let me tell you something. We had our own grocery store. Joel was right in that situation. We had our own grocery store. Some might say that integration integrated us into a burning house and burned down all of our grocery stores. Okay. Yeah, exactly. That's the point. I love Deflect from tcu, but. No, no, no, no. Indiana is superior to tcu.

C (18:55)

Okay, well, then I. Then I would like to make the case then, that Indiana. I mean, I'm not going to. It's for the people to decide who had the best team or whatever. But Indiana has had the best college football season maybe in history.

B (19:09)

Oh, okay.

C (19:10)

Go for it.

B (19:10)

Defend that.

C (19:11)

Yeah, well, I mean, I just did. I said it.

B (19:15)

You stated.

C (19:15)

I said it. You stated. You have no.

A (19:18)

You have no case, Bill.

C (19:20)

You all disagree?

B (19:21)

Yep.

A (19:22)

Okay.

B (19:23)

Yeah.

C (19:23)

All right.

B (19:24)

I think that this game right here. I mean, this game right here, 16 0. That's historic. I give it.

C (19:29)

Nobody's ever done that.

B (19:30)

I give it up to India.

A (19:31)

Yale, 1894.

B (19:32)

Yale, 1894.

A (19:34)

I don't know about grocery stores back then. I know.

B (19:36)

Definitely. We didn't.

C (19:37)

Had. No, I know. In the essence, they didn't go to. Yeah. What was the name of that place that y' all had down there?

A (19:45)

Suttons.

C (19:45)

Sutton.

A (19:46)

It turns out it was like a safe haven in a great spot. You know what I mean?

B (19:49)

Yeah. Okay. What did we just see about North Carolina?

A (19:52)

We just saw something tweeted at me the other day. I look out on Twitter. I was like, all right, was it.

C (19:56)

I saw something.

B (19:57)

No. What was. Something happened in North Carolina.

C (19:59)

Yeah.

B (19:59)

What it was. It was the essence of something. It was.

A (20:01)

Drink some water.

B (20:02)

It was. But. But. Okay, so. So if. If. Let's do the comparison. Do you think that Indiana, seriously. I mean, like, do you think that they had a better season than 2019?

C (20:16)

Yes.

B (20:16)

LSU, then my. That Miami team back in the day. Okay. Make the case. Well, okay, I'm willing to listen to.

C (20:21)

I'm going to look. I'm going to look up their schedule right now. Okay. So live on air. I'm reading.

A (20:26)

Okay. I got a. I got a first fact for you.

C (20:28)

When you.

A (20:29)

When you get done with Joel's case here for Indiana, start.

C (20:34)

Okay. Okay, cool.

A (20:35)

No, no, after you're done.

C (20:36)

All right. Yeah. All right, so first of all, the glitches, they beat they beat, they beat 9th ranked Illinois 63 to 10, then followed that up by going on the road and beating Iowa team that was much better than people gave them credit for.

A (20:50)

Well, an Iowa team that won their.

C (20:51)

Bowl game in Illinois, they won at third ranked Oregon. That's a big win. And they won by, they won by two scores in that game. They went. They win the Big Ten championship.

B (21:02)

Okay.

A (21:03)

Then against Ohio State, it was number one in the country.

C (21:05)

It was number one in the country. Right. And then they beat Alabama, like which, which is more of a helmet thing than a, than an actual real win. But at lsu, y' all celebrate every time.

B (21:15)

Y. Y' all ain't never really Alabama. I don't want to hear lsu. Just do your things, do your thing.

C (21:20)

All right? And so then they beat Oregon again by more than two. School destroyed Oregon, destroyed Oregon, and then they beat Miami. Not just, they didn't just beat Miami, they beat Miami at a virtual road game. Right. And so to win the championship, I.

A (21:36)

Would say it's a true road game.

C (21:37)

Yeah, a true road game. They won three, three playoff games against teams that were, you know, all points of the season were ranked in the top five at some point. Any of those teams in the playoffs were ranked in the top five. And yeah, so, I mean, yeah, I think that they had the Heisman winner. Right.

B (21:52)

That's fair.

C (21:53)

Okay. All right. So yeah, that's my case.

B (21:55)

That.

C (21:56)

That's one of the most impressive season in history.

B (21:59)

So you said the most impressive season. The most.

A (22:02)

LSU football, 2019. Let's go.

B (22:04)

Okay, so LSU, they won at Austin.

C (22:07)

They won at Austin. 45 and 35. Yeah. Okay, who was the quarterback for that team? For Texas? Who was it was that. It was that guy that went to. He played for the cult. No, man.

B (22:20)

Okay, so. So during this time, LSU played a couple of close games in the sec.

C (22:27)

Oh, wow.

B (22:28)

They did. In the, the Peach bowl in the SEC championship against Georgia is 37 to 10. In the Peach bowl against Oklahoma, 63, 28.

C (22:38)

Oh, wow.

B (22:39)

In the national championship game against number three, Clemson, it's 42, 25. So that's the number.

A (22:46)

And that score honestly was. Looks closer than.

B (22:48)

It actually killed a lot of these scores. Did like the, the Alabama kind of.

A (22:51)

Like what Clemson did.

C (22:52)

I mean, do y' all want to go over the Indiana scores, dog?

A (22:54)

I mean, yeah, this is dominant. We're talking dominance.

B (22:56)

We're talking about dominance.

A (22:58)

And then I think the fact that they're in the conversation 56, six against.

C (23:01)

A good UCLA team, a good.

B (23:03)

Against a good.

A (23:05)

UCLA.

B (23:06)

Hot UCLA team. A hot UCLA team.

A (23:10)

Look, freeze is cracking up surprisingly, like a high.

C (23:13)

Surprisingly frisky. Penn State.

B (23:16)

Surprisingly Penn State team.

A (23:19)

Yeah.

B (23:19)

So Texas, lsu.

C (23:22)

I mean, hold on.

B (23:23)

Just. Just. Just throughout the season, just so people know, throughout that season, LSU beat the number nine team, the number 17. The number nine team, the number three team, the number four team. The number four team, the number three team. Like, so they beat. They beat all of those teams. And when we get.

C (23:38)

Look at this.

B (23:38)

When they get rolling, they are killing people. Like this game right now. If we're talking about great seasons, Indiana, great season is fine. This game right now, being in this close game, a game that they could have very easily won. LSU did not play games like that, particularly when they got on their road and roll in the playoffs.

A (23:56)

Joel's pulling up the schedule right now to give his rebuttal.

C (23:59)

Man, you know what, man, you right, man. Bro. They beat Georgia Southern 55. 3. That was tough, man. Oh, that was in Baton Rouge. Did they go to. Did they at least go to Natchitoches to play Northwestern State? Oh, no, they stayed at Baton Rouge.

B (24:12)

Who did? Indiana. Who did it? Okay, Indiana didn't have no cupcakes.

C (24:15)

Oh, they had Florida at home. Okay, number two, seventh. Florida. What? What? What? What? Who was that on that Florida team?

B (24:21)

Who was on that Florida team? Tras. Kyle Trask.

A (24:24)

There you go.

B (24:25)

Kyle Trask. Van Jefferson. Shout out to Van Jefferson. Kyle Trask. Look, you can make your case. I. I tell you, I tell you, do me a favor. Find the TCU squad that's in the conversation, okay?

C (24:35)

Maybe the 2014 or 2010.

A (24:37)

2014. Get 2014 pulled up.

C (24:40)

Yeah, you want me to look it up? Look up, look it up, look up, look up 2014. Look it up.

B (24:45)

For first of all, you a running B.

C (24:48)

You a run back.

B (24:49)

That's a football.

A (24:55)

All right? Balls are on the ground.

C (24:59)

All right, dog. So tcu. Do you want me to go through the schedule?

A (25:02)

Yeah, yeah.

B (25:03)

Tough catch.

C (25:03)

14. They beat Minnesota 37.

A (25:08)

All right, Joel.

C (25:09)

SMU at SMU 56, nothing. Beat number four, Oklahoma, where I think it might have been. Nah, it was on. Oklahoma came down to us.

B (25:19)

What was the score?

C (25:20)

It was 37, 33.

B (25:22)

Okay.

C (25:29)

Baylor was number five in the country. Then we come back the next week. You can't lose rank. Oklahoma State 42, 9.

B (25:38)

Okay?

A (25:39)

You can't. You can't lose a game.

C (25:41)

Beat Texas Tech 82 to 20.

B (25:43)

But they lost, though.

C (25:44)

One at number 20, Virginia.

B (25:46)

Okay, Bill Simmons has a question.

C (25:49)

Hold on.

B (25:49)

Bill Simmons has A question.

C (25:50)

Bill.

B (25:51)

Bill Simmons says. Bill Simmons says. Bill Simmons says. Can you ask Tate if that's a golf sunburn or if he is intentionally trying to look less white to fit him?

A (26:02)

It's a wind burn, actually. Yeah, it's a wind burn. You are.

C (26:04)

Yeah. You are looking toasty. A little bit.

A (26:06)

Yeah.

C (26:07)

I'm toasted. Tight.

A (26:08)

I'm toasted.

B (26:08)

So, I mean, so do you.

C (26:10)

Sam Ellinger was a Texas quarterback, by the way. Great quarterback. Y' all beat that game, too, man.

B (26:15)

And we would beat them at their house, man.

A (26:16)

Hey, Sam was supposed to be something.

B (26:18)

Yeah, he was supposed to be something, man. Look, but seriously, I don't want to.

A (26:22)

That was really Bill's question.

B (26:23)

He asked that. Yeah.

A (26:25)

Glad he's watching. Thanks, B.S.

B (26:26)

Oh, Tate has a question for you, Bill. The question is, have the Seahawks ever won the Super Bowl? Tate was talking.

C (26:37)

Only Van. Bill Simmons, Lathan Jr. Can make that joke, though. Only I couldn't make that joke. Joel Van Build.

A (26:44)

Joel a little bit of water. Joel a little water.

B (26:48)

We call Joel drink stuff.

C (26:50)

Where were you before you came here doing the rewatchables? Where were you doing it?

B (26:55)

At the rewatchable studio.

C (26:56)

And where's the rewatchable studio? Bills.

A (27:03)

Hey, Joel. Joel. Two facts.

C (27:06)

Y' all know that that's funny. Stop it. Don't act like that. You know what I'm saying? You the chosen one, dog. You the favorite. So him.

B (27:14)

Okay?

C (27:15)

You're Baby Jesus. Your baby Jesus. Your baby.

B (27:18)

Okay, okay, okay, That's.

A (27:20)

That's. Enjoy.

C (27:21)

You know. You know what I'm talking about. You didn't get invited to that Spotify party, dog, that he went to, remember?

B (27:27)

Hey, I'm going be honest with you, though. That is kind of. That Tate didn't get invited to the party.

A (27:31)

I didn't know. But you told me about it.

B (27:33)

Yeah.

A (27:33)

Afterwards I learned about it.

C (27:34)

It's all right.

A (27:36)

Two things I learned. First, first time national champion since 1996, Florida.

B (27:41)

Incredible.

C (27:41)

Damn.

A (27:42)

So there you go. First time this century. We've seen that. 26 years. Also 50 years to the day, Bobby Knight, Indiana basketball team went undefeated one of the national championship in 1976. Is that Isaiah Thomas or. No, no, Vincent. Yeah. Yeah. So that was Mike Woodson, I think, was on that team, right? Yeah. So 76 Hoosiers.

B (28:02)

20.

A (28:03)

26 Hoosiers. The 50 year gap. Pretty cool.

B (28:05)

All jokes aside, we're talking about different runs and stuff like that, and, you know, everybody will have arguments and conversations about these different college football teams. But you know, man, for what Indiana and Kurt Zignetti have pulled off. It's. It really is remarkable. It's one of the more remarkable. We keep talking about, say it over again sports stories ever. I am struggling to think of a team or something in this regard that has done something like this.

C (28:36)

It's like the jets winning a Super bowl or it would. Like, what's the NBA team like?

B (28:43)

The jets have won a Super Bowl.

A (28:44)

I feel like it's kind of. I think it's the Saints.

C (28:47)

Is that. Is it the Saints?

A (28:48)

I think it is the Saints. I mean, you.

C (28:50)

And.

A (28:50)

I mean, I'm not trying to step up, but, like, when the Saints won the super bowl, that felt like an improbability.

B (28:55)

So, you know, they were.

C (28:56)

Sorry.

B (28:56)

I will say this. Super sorry. Like, historically, it's difficult to compare this to a professional team winning anything.

A (29:05)

Yeah. Yeah.

B (29:06)

And that's because a team that is a pro team is one free agent acquisition away. Like the Saints get Drew Brees and they get. They draft Reggie Bush changes things. You're a genius. Coach away.

A (29:19)

But Marcus Colson hit Marcus Colson.

B (29:21)

All of that. But college football. College football specifically, is about resources, access, and tradition. And it was thought that if you did not have those things, that you simply could not win on this level. Like, they won in this dominant fashion, and they did it.

C (29:40)

But the thing is, Indiana had benefited from the kind of free agency that any of this. Those Saints teams would love to just turn over your roster. And so the. Actually, because. And I can't remember who it was that hit me up about this on Blue sky, and he was like, man, I'm a little salty at you about saying Indiana is the greatest. Is the greatest comeback story. Because. And I still. You have to say Indiana in this era, for what it is, is the greatest comeback story of all time. But I still think maybe Kansas State was still the more impressive rebuild.

B (30:10)

Hold on for a second.

C (30:11)

Because you had to do it over the long haul, bro.

B (30:14)

I will say this. I agree with what you're saying about Kansas State. Bill Snyder Family Stadium. Somebody just brought up Villanova in 85. That's damn close, man.

A (30:24)

I mean, eight seed Raleigh Massimino. Still no idea why he's not in the hall of Fame. He should be. Yeah. I mean, that was.

C (30:30)

It's Villanova because they won or because also they won and beat George Patrick.

A (30:36)

It was how it was. Who they beat.

B (30:38)

Yeah, they beat Patrick Ewing and a conference foe. Undestructible, undefeatable Georgetown hoys. That's a really good one. Who said that? Who said that? That's a good one. That's Dave. Size 22. 22. Where y' all be getting these motherfuckers?

C (30:55)

We don't talk about NC State. Valvano L. Parker. 65, 76. We don't talk about that championship.

B (31:00)

Why?

A (31:01)

Why?

B (31:01)

Oh, because of Houston. Five, seven, jama. Get the out of here.

A (31:06)

NC State.

C (31:07)

Look, they about to run it this year, too, boy.

A (31:08)

But I will say, like, both of those were kind of like. I mean, like, Indiana. Indiana feels sustainable. Like, this feels like a program that now is. You know, at the end of their fight song, they're like, you know, hail to old iu. Like, this is new. I. Yeah, this is a totally different situation.

C (31:23)

That's what makes this crazy. Like, this is not a Cinderella. Like, they were a bad team, but, like, right now they are legitimate.

A (31:28)

They were a bad program, but this was a great team last year.

B (31:32)

They were a team that was coming on, and people would not believe that they were capable of competing at this level. Then they got into the playoffs, got washed a little bit, proved those people right. Hey, this team can't compete. They retool, came back and got it done. It's, like, really impressive.

C (31:48)

When did you. When did you all really believe in Indiana? Like, when was the first game when you were just like, okay, Like, I believe that this is an. Oregon. Oregon. Okay.

B (31:56)

Yep.

A (31:57)

Can I be honest?

C (31:58)

Yeah.

A (31:58)

Ohio State.

C (31:59)

Yeah, I think so.

A (32:01)

I mean, the Big Ten championship game, I had a. I had a belief that they could actually win the game. But when they did go in the game and look like they could dominate on the line, I was like, wow, they're actually the number one team for.

B (32:13)

This particular game if you are crowning. So the MVP of this game is probably Fernando Mendoza, right?

A (32:19)

Yeah, for sure. Is that right? I mean, Charlie Becker would have a real.

C (32:23)

Yeah. But, yeah, it's probably Mendoza.

B (32:26)

Bane. Bane was a fucking terror in this game.

C (32:29)

Hey, man.

A (32:30)

Mezador and Bane on the.

C (32:32)

Bane. I still feel like Mendoza is a fantastic college quarterback, and I think he'll be a good pro. I still think as a college football player that Ruben Bane is a better college football player than Mendoza is, man. Joel, bro, I've been saying this all year, dog. I've been saying Ruben Bane is a fucking minister and he dominates. I mean, a great quarterback. There's no way that you. Anybody can have more influence on a game than a great quarterback. But if you're just talking about how much better is this person than the second best person at that position, or you Know the person that is dominating from a position that it's very hard to dominate from Ruben Bane, man, it's been a long, like maybe in Damakong Su, it's been since I've seen a defender control the game in the ways that he has. It was just like, oh, we have to account for him.

B (33:17)

So Chase Young. Nah. You don't think so?

C (33:21)

Young was like. It was some production and potential, but it was nothing. He looked like a really good player.

A (33:26)

Would you say. Would you say Clowney? No, I mean, clowning didn't do it consistently.

B (33:31)

No, it's definitely.

C (33:32)

It's like. Like you could see the athletic potential with them. And that's the thing about Reuben Band is sort of interesting because people talk about, oh, he's got short arms.

A (33:38)

Yeah, I can't with that conversation.

C (33:40)

Yeah. And also just kind of like, I mean, you know, we were talking. I mean, you know, he don't got the face of a champion. Doug.

A (33:46)

That's okay. You got a helmet on.

C (33:48)

We know what I'm saying.

A (33:49)

You put the visor on.

B (33:49)

You saying a nigga ugly?

C (33:50)

I ain't saying he ugly. A lot of ugly motherfuckers are great football players. Yeah.

B (33:54)

So what you trying to say?

C (33:55)

I'm just saying he just looks a little, like, friendly. He looks a little friendly or cuddly. Hold on to be great. And as menacing of a football player as he is.

B (34:04)

Oh, you're saying.

A (34:05)

You're saying he looks too nice.

B (34:06)

You're saying you think he's cute?

C (34:08)

I ain't say. Nah, I ain't say that. Why you say that? And I'm not even saying that. I'm not even saying that on some homophobic shit. Yes, you just said. Wasn't even saying that on some homophobic. I was just saying it kind of.

B (34:17)

It's not about being homophobic.

A (34:18)

He.

B (34:19)

About being accepting of the fact tell.

C (34:20)

When somebody is attractive. I got no problem.

B (34:24)

Yeah.

C (34:25)

Who's your number in terms of men?

A (34:27)

Yeah, who's your number one?

B (34:28)

Who's Jack? Huh?

C (34:29)

Jack.

B (34:30)

Jack who?

C (34:30)

Jack Wilson. Talk about the game.

B (34:32)

No, I'm talking about not. Not talking about in here. Oh, Joe, wait a second. Hold on for a second. Wait, what you said in here, like. Okay, shout out to Jack. Shout out to Jack. Just to let you guys know that Jack works with us. Yeah, we thought you was gonna say like bad Bunny or some shit. And you was like, shit, man.

A (34:52)

All right, well, thankfully Jack's not here and heard that.

C (34:54)

I hadn't thought about who would be a good looking Player on the field. I just didn't look at him.

B (34:59)

I'm looking at Ruben Bane right now.

C (35:00)

And you look at. You look at the guy with his profile, but he does not look like the dude that is out there doing what he's doing. Yeah.

A (35:07)

Oh, okay.

B (35:07)

That's interesting. I was like.

A (35:08)

He looked also an incredible look like that.

C (35:11)

Dominic.

B (35:11)

Jack, come in. Jack, come on screen, real quick.

C (35:13)

Oh, Jack, not coming on, man.

B (35:15)

Jack, Jack. Hey, just let you know he's a handsome guy.

C (35:18)

Jack.

A (35:18)

Just dying laughing.

B (35:19)

Joe, like, Joel said that you look. Yeah, there you go.

C (35:23)

He said, out of everybody in the. This is the way it happened, Jack. They said, oh, who's the most attractive in here? And I'm just like, shit, I don't know. I mean. And then I said, jack, okay, freeze. Come over here. Let me see. Ruben bang.

B (35:42)

Okay, what I would say is Reuben bang looks like the father in 80s sitcom or something like that. Like, see, like that, that didn't have a line. And.

C (35:51)

Yeah, but his hair. That's what I'm saying, man. But that, that hairline.

B (35:56)

But this, bro, I think that's because.

A (35:57)

He'S so locked in.

B (35:57)

I feel like if he looked like.

C (35:59)

You know what he's supposed to look like? Kimbo Slice, man. If he looked like Kimbo Slice, I'd be like that. That looks like Ruben Bane.

A (36:05)

But you just know, like, if Reuben Band ends up like on the Raiders or something and has this.

B (36:10)

This whole conversation is some turning point usa.

C (36:17)

No, I'm not talking about. Yeah, I mean, he didn't.

B (36:19)

Look, I know. I know what you. I know what you mean. I know what you mean. I know what you mean.

A (36:22)

I like what we were doing, though. MVPs of the game, right? So Reuben Bain's one of those MVPs.

C (36:26)

We were not learning that, but good.

A (36:27)

Fletcher, one of the MVPs of the game. Mendoza, MVP of the game. Charlie Becker, d' Angelo Palm. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

B (36:36)

Black. Black. Had some big runs.

A (36:38)

Yeah. But like, Tony was Indiana running backs. Yeah, yeah.

C (36:41)

Aiden Fisher, the linebacker.

A (36:43)

Yeah, yeah.

B (36:44)

The. The defense from Indiana. Now, look, Indiana played, I guess, uncharacteristically undisciplined. Had some penalties, some big penalties and some big moments. Nothing that really killed him too much.

A (36:58)

But still, though, that false start was huge.

B (37:02)

Absolutely. They are so well coached. And there was a stark difference between some of the times that you saw Miami not able to align properly. Indiana would go quick a little bit and Miami would be, you know, on the backside of the defense, trying to communicate. Couldn't get Their together get out. Flanked give up a play. Just didn't happen to Indiana that much. Didn't happen to them. They got beat on a couple of plays. But most of the time if whatever you're doing is trying to like out scheme them or catch them in a bad situation or get them out of their fundamentals, it normally doesn't work for you. But I think to me, Mendoza, Bane, Tony.

A (37:43)

Yeah, baby Jesus.

C (37:44)

Tony came on, man.

B (37:45)

He did.

C (37:46)

And I mean, who was the old boy? Frederic. Frederic.

A (37:51)

Oh, yeah, yeah. He was getting picked on in the first.

C (37:53)

He even got picked. I thought like given the circumstances he was in position, he did okay. But it was just like they put him in a really tough spot and they, I mean they stressed that out. Like they were like, we're going to try to win.

A (38:05)

But that's coaching, right? That's the whole thing with Cineti is like he's identifying all these sort of things and like they even Aiden Fisher, when there was all we talked about it with all the cheating stuff that people were saying, he was like, we just watch film, you know, he's like.

C (38:16)

That'S what we do. Yeah.

A (38:17)

Yeah, we're prepared.

B (38:18)

So next year Indiana is going to have a player who decided that they wanted to play for a winning program.

A (38:25)

Right?

C (38:25)

So yeah, he was at. Yeah, he was at a wedding program.

B (38:28)

He was at. He was at actually. So.

C (38:30)

So. And this will be in my story in the morning.

B (38:32)

It.

C (38:32)

This will be in my story in the morning.

B (38:34)

Tell them about your story about Michael Pennix Jr.

C (38:39)

I'm telling the story, man. I mean, these people, they don't, they don't know.

B (38:49)

He's.

A (38:49)

He's gonna have to change the lead glitched out again.

C (38:52)

No, I mean, when Tate was giving me whack ass leads, nobody would reach that I was giving you notes. Nobody.

A (38:59)

Nobody read.

C (39:00)

Nobody. I mean, y' all don't help. Hey, did he read your subset yet?

B (39:06)

Oh, he has. Hey, I'm the lead king. I'm the lead master. I'm, I'm a, I'm a lead. Hey, you. If you disagree, that's the name of the substack. Go out there and check it out. Look at some of my leads. I kill a lead.

C (39:18)

I believe.

B (39:19)

Yeah, man. Yeah, I'm not bad.

C (39:21)

I'm a good. I, I do good leads too. And with T. And when Tate was doing good leads, I was not giving leads. I was not giving leads.

A (39:29)

I giving notes.

C (39:30)

I'm just like, the Michael Pennix thing is telling a story and I'll I'll go ahead and just give y' all a little taste and y' all can read it on site later. But the whole point of it was that I just thought Indiana as a thing was over. When he went to Washington.

B (39:43)

Oh, like he had left him.

C (39:44)

Yeah, he left. And I was like, man, that was really cool for that one year. It's something along those lines, like.

B (39:50)

But how did you say it?

C (39:51)

I'm not gonna give it away, man. You gotta go to the site.

B (39:54)

Redele.

C (39:55)

It's a tease. I read it to y' all earlier.

A (39:57)

It's a teaser. Nice tease.

C (39:58)

Y' all want me to read it? Okay. All right. I'm gonna read the lead, man. Damn. Are y' all ready for real? Yeah, read the lead. All right.

A (40:08)

Think about it like an audiobook.

C (40:10)

Read it like we're listening to the people. All right, man. Yeah. When Indiana quarterback Michael Pennix Jr. Entered his name into the transfer portal in December 2021, it seemed to signal the inevitable regression of the losing his program in college football history. History. Wow. Okay. That's not. I mean, do you want me to do a little more?

A (40:28)

Yeah.

B (40:29)

Hell no.

C (40:29)

Okay. No. Okay. All right, well, I'm gonna give you one more. I don't know if this lead is gonna stand up because my editor hasn't edited it yet.

A (40:35)

Okay.

C (40:36)

Okay, you ready? Second shout out to Ben Glicksman.

A (40:38)

Working hard.

C (40:39)

I'm sorry, man. I should have had it up. I'm sorry.

A (40:42)

Yeah, Ben is watching this right now. Be like, why is Joel not sitting here?

C (40:46)

Wall Street Journal got this up already, man. But y' all were talking the whole fucking anyway. You ready? Second grab.

B (40:53)

Second grab.

A (40:54)

All right, here we go.

C (40:58)

Penix had sacrificed his substantial potential and now broken body to the historically futile project of building a winner in Bloomington. And now he was gone after12.5 record as a starter over four years that included three season ending injuries. For Indiana fans, it was a particularly bittersweet. It was particular. You know what?

B (41:19)

I was kind of working on that. That counts as a glitch anyway.

C (41:22)

But the first two graphs, I'm setting up a story.

A (41:24)

Yeah, yeah. But if you're Michael Phoenix Jr. You're like, I just got benched by the Falcons. I just watched Indiana win the national championship.

B (41:31)

Why are you putting me in it?

A (41:32)

Yeah, you're like, why are you going?

C (41:34)

So I interviewed Galen Pavio, director, and he says something. You want me to give the quote?

B (41:39)

No. Well, we've had enough.

A (41:41)

All right?

C (41:41)

We're gonna.

A (41:41)

We're gonna get it. We're gonna Go read that story. Joel's gonna write that story. It's gonna be great. But Indiana, kind of place in history. I'm not saying they're the greatest team ever, but is this the greatest season ever?

C (41:51)

Ever? I just said that earlier.

A (41:52)

You did? Are you putting that your story?

C (41:54)

No, I'm. Well, I think that kind of.

B (41:57)

Well, hold on, hold on. You know what?

C (41:59)

You think I should write that?

B (42:00)

Like, put it in there? Like, if you're talking about greatest season ever, yeah, obviously I'll hold on to what LSU did, but I'm not saying.

A (42:07)

That'S the greatest team. Maybe.

B (42:08)

No, no, no, no, no.

C (42:09)

Wait, wait, wait. Am I that better communicating that y' all didn't understand? That's what I was saying.

A (42:12)

I get it now. Sorry.

B (42:14)

Understand what I'm saying. I think that the Miami team from the early 2000s is the greatest team ever.

C (42:20)

Yes.

B (42:20)

I think the 2019 LSU team is the greatest run ever. I think this is the greatest story ever surrounding one team.

A (42:28)

Greatest story ever.

B (42:29)

This is the greatest story ever surrounding the college football team. I don't see how you can get.

A (42:33)

A better story than this incredible lead.

C (42:35)

Like, it's the worst program to Sam Bam Cunningham.

B (42:39)

That's a good story.

C (42:40)

That's a good story.

B (42:41)

That's a good.

C (42:42)

Sam Bam Cunningham didn't do it to.

B (42:44)

Randall Cunningham's big brother.

A (42:45)

Brother? Really?

B (42:47)

You with me? There's no way you didn't know that?

C (42:51)

No. Are you being serious?

B (42:52)

Yes.

C (42:53)

Sam Bam Cunningham is Randall Cunningham's older. Shut up, dog.

B (42:57)

I swear.

C (42:58)

Wait, did you do some Googles?

B (43:01)

That's. That's Randall Cunningham's brother.

C (43:03)

Wait, is this a real thing, bro?

B (43:05)

Are you. Are you with me right now?

A (43:07)

A little bit of water like, Like.

B (43:10)

Hold on. Hold on. Joel. Mr. You didn't. You are. Are you being seriously right.

C (43:16)

Oh, man. Hold on, dog. Does it say personal?

B (43:21)

Yeah, go down there.

A (43:24)

Personal. Family.

C (43:25)

The older bro. Oh, my God.

A (43:27)

Yeah, there you go.

B (43:28)

The older brother, Randall Cunningham.

C (43:31)

Hold on, Joel.

B (43:32)

Mr. Black and White TV. I like, like, hey, you remember Kenny Black shoes Watson from 1917? You didn't know that? That's Randall Cunningham's big brother.

C (43:42)

Just don't. I don't. Like, I'm.

A (43:43)

It's a wrong contra all over again.

B (43:45)

It is.

C (43:46)

I am shocked that that is a hole in my knowledge. Yeah, I'm shocked.

A (43:51)

Now it's filled.

C (43:51)

Now it's filled. Thank.

B (43:52)

Now it's filled.

A (43:53)

Yeah. So.

B (43:55)

So. So next year. All right. Obviously, my point was Indiana looks like they're going to retool. They're going to come back with the way that they built their team. I'm not so sure that. I have a lot of questions about whether or not Indiana is going to be good or solid next year. I don't. Miami's a different story. Miami is a team that. It really came together. At the end of the year, they got a hold of Phil at quarterback. It looks like they might be getting the Duke kid.

C (44:31)

I mean, the way they would get that package that they allegedly offered to Daria Mensah, and I don't know how real it is they gonna have. If. If they don't get him, they gonna get somebody. You know what I mean?

A (44:43)

I mean, they. Yeah, they've been out there giving. I mean, whatever you want, they'll give it to you. You know, I mean, like, Cam Ward by all accounts is like, I'm fine to stay at Wazoo or whatever. And then Miami was like, nah, you.

B (44:54)

Know, but if you're in Miami, where do you go from here? Like you. What I'm saying is that when I look at them, I look at a team that has, you know, a lot of talent in different spots.

C (45:03)

But, man, you get Malachi Tony again.

B (45:05)

Next year, you get Malachi Tony coming back, that's a big deal. But at the same time, don't they need to go out and maybe get some guys on the back end? Some guys who can cover a little bit better?

A (45:17)

I think Mensa could be an upgrade from.

B (45:21)

I think he could.

A (45:22)

I mean, they won the ACC this year.

C (45:23)

They did.

A (45:24)

You know what I mean? Like, and now you put that. Those playmakers around Mensa. We saw what he did at Tulane or Tane. You know, I feel like Miami can retool and be right there. And I feel like, if anything, this kind of broke the seal of like. Like we can actually do this with crystal ball.

C (45:38)

Yeah, I mean, I think.

A (45:39)

Or Cristobal.

C (45:40)

No, Pretty much no. No matter who's their quarterback next year. I mean, I shouldn't say anything because apparently they like their. Their backup, Emory Williams right now, but if I. They're good for eight to nine wins at a minimum with the schedule they play.

A (45:54)

Who's saying that?

C (45:55)

Me, I'm saying that. That they're good for eight, so. And then a good quarterback, maybe that.

A (46:01)

Look at some of my years in the acc, man. Hey, one thing I know, no guarantees.

C (46:08)

That's fair. But I think that this is a different. I'm not. The issue is, is Miami going to be top three or is Miami going to be playoff bubble team? Right. But like, I don't think the way that crystal ball has built that team.

A (46:21)

I think if Midsa comes, I would say Miami finishes higher than 10 in the CFP next year. And I think Indiana will be preseason top five next year and they'll make the playoff as, like at 8 or 9.

C (46:31)

See, I think Indiana is going to be very good next year, but I don't know if that necessarily means playoffs because, I mean, they, I mean, those JMU guys, they've got, they're going to replace a lot of them. You know, they'll be. They'll be built around Charlie Becker, you know what I'm saying?

B (46:42)

But that also depends what, what, like what, what, what. What the Big Ten looks like next year.

A (46:47)

You know, Oregon, Ohio State should be great.

B (46:51)

Ohio State should be great. Saying coming back.

A (46:55)

Michigan should be a real team.

B (46:57)

Michigan should be a real team.

A (46:59)

Iowa State, Pittsburgh, Penn State, the com combined team that they have now, Matt Campbell, they should be good.

B (47:04)

Yeah, I mean, we'll see. I don't know how. Look, when we talk about competing at the top of the conference, like, you know, who really knows? But for, for, for Indiana, it looks like the Big Ten is going to be them, Ohio State and Oregon again, and they can compete with either one of those teams.

A (47:20)

Agreed. And I think this year they proved it.

C (47:22)

USC was going to be better next year, too, man. I mean, they get Jaden Maiva, and I don't know. I mean, I don't know how. I mean, I guess I lost a defensive coordinator and Lincoln Riley hasn't shown a particular skill of being able to field a great defense. USC fans, man, they were like, dan Lynn's not that great. We could afford to lose him. And I'm just like, Lincoln Riley has had like three good defense, maybe two good defenses, and like half of a good winning. The entire time he's been a head coach. You guys just think that he can just go out and find somebody else and then they can build that same personnel. But the point is, is that usc, if they're doing what they're supposed to do, they should be a really good team next year, too. Like, I think, you know, Indiana is probably going to be preseason top 10 just because, you know, the respect of a champion and signetti or whatever, but it. There's just no guarantee that they'll ever get back here. Which, to Van's point, is why it's such a great story. But also, this is why I'm reiterating. I think it is the greatest college football season of all Time given what they, where they came from and what they had to do in the way that they did it. And they ended up with, I mean, the Heisman Trophy winner. You got to include all that shit.

A (48:24)

Right?

C (48:24)

Tallying up a year. Right.

A (48:26)

And you're, you're a basketball school. Like this is not supposed to happen. You know what I mean? Like this is not like ucla, North Carolina, Kentucky, Kansas. Like you're not supposed to win national championships in football. So for Indiana, who's in that same group to go win a national championship, like that is incredible.

B (48:41)

I mean it like broke down the football school now.

A (48:44)

Right.

B (48:44)

Had more success in football for sure at a higher level than they have in basketball in a long time. When was the last time they were like a fantastic. They made the national championship game like a couple years.

A (48:52)

2002. They made the national championship.

C (48:54)

Mike Davis.

A (48:55)

Mike Davis.

B (48:55)

Wait a minute. Why do I remember them getting.

C (48:57)

They get to the Final Four. Maybe another.

A (48:59)

They were supposed to in 2013 with Victor O Depot, Cody Zeller. They did not.

C (49:03)

They did.

B (49:03)

They didn't make it.

A (49:04)

They did not make it.

B (49:05)

What happened?

A (49:06)

They lost. Who they lose to sweet 16, I believe.

B (49:08)

Why did that happen?

A (49:10)

Cuz Tom Crane got the blame. But Tom Cre was a great coach.

C (49:13)

But then.

A (49:13)

Yeah, they just been a revolving door of coaches. They had to fire Kelvin Sampson for NCAA sanctions. Yeah. That don't even exist anymore. So he should have stayed the head coach there. They probably would have won with Samson. Yeah. So.

B (49:26)

Yeah.

A (49:26)

But just 87 was their last basketball championship.

C (49:29)

I'm just going to say something.

A (49:30)

Steve Alford.

C (49:31)

I'm going to say something crazy.

B (49:32)

He's smart.

A (49:33)

Yeah, there you go. That area.

C (49:35)

Iowa State's going to win the national championship. Two years.

B (49:37)

What?

C (49:38)

No, listen, that's what Indiana winning a national championship. That's what I'm saying.

A (49:42)

Oh, you're saying like how to break our brain.

C (49:44)

Mississippi State, they're going to win the national championship. Yeah. Get with the show.

B (49:51)

Even what he's talking about, even with the Mississippi State thing. Mississippi State was ranked number one in the country for a long while.

C (49:57)

One of the first top 21 of them of those committee polls. I think they were number one in the very first.

B (50:04)

Indiana had never gotten close to anything like that.

C (50:07)

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like I can't. Iowa State has been good in a way that like more recently than Indiana.

A (50:13)

The closest it would be because they're now the losingest program in college football. Would be if FIU wins the national Championship, Billy. It's possible. Is it? Pause upsible as a stretch?

C (50:27)

It's possible, bro. That is.

A (50:29)

They're not the worst anymore. They're third worst now. Who's number one now? Well, never mind. I gotta change the answer. Yeah, I don't know. I gotta. Okay, well, fiu. I thought that was. I thought that was gonna be like a positive spin where you're like, it could be us. We're next.

C (50:39)

I mean, I want. I want Willie Silman to do well there, man.

B (50:43)

To do well at fia.

C (50:44)

Yeah, man.

A (50:46)

Pit Bull Stadium.

C (50:47)

You know how very few HBCU coaches or former HBCU head coaches have gotten FBS coaching jobs? It's like three.

B (50:54)

Oh, who are they?

C (50:55)

So there was one Deion Sanders. He went to Wichita State.

B (50:58)

Yeah.

C (50:58)

So Deion was the second. I'm not gonna remember the brother's name, but he was the head coach for the Wichita State Shockers in the early 80s.

A (51:04)

Yeah. And also a good basketball school.

C (51:07)

Very good basketball school. And he was there for like three years. He didn't do bad, but, you know, they fired him and he ended up coaching back in. He's still alive. I wanted to interview that guy once upon a time.

B (51:17)

Did Miami lose this game or did Indiana win it?

C (51:22)

No, Indiana won it.

A (51:24)

They wanted. With Mendoza. Got that touchdown.

C (51:26)

Yeah, I mean, dog, they.

A (51:27)

I mean, I mean, the block pun for sure. But the Mendoza touchdown.

B (51:30)

They, they, they, they made dominant plays. I'm just saying, man, if I was a Miami fan, I would be sick. I would be like. I'd be very sick.

C (51:38)

Really. But see, I just. That the one thing about it is that Miami played them close. But I always felt like Indiana was in control. Like if Indian. I was like, if Indiana up, then Miami's going to get back into this game. But I always felt like Indiana had him just enough.

B (51:51)

The only reason why I don't agree with that is because it's difficult to say when your quarterback is getting harassed.

C (51:58)

He.

B (51:59)

He was getting harassed.

C (52:01)

Yeah.

A (52:01)

I mean, he got wrecked.

B (52:02)

He got fucking killed tonight.

A (52:04)

I can't remember who hit him. Was that eight?

C (52:06)

It was whoever. Jacoby Thomas. Is that who it was?

A (52:08)

I think so, bro.

C (52:09)

Can we just like, again, I don't. Because I don't like to come after kids or whatever, but it's okay. Stop it.

B (52:17)

Jesus.

C (52:18)

Stop it. Stop it.

A (52:20)

That's six glitches.

C (52:21)

Come on now.

A (52:22)

The thing like said the Trey Young counter when he had a six.

C (52:24)

I'm not a person. I'm not a person. I usually try to give kids the benefit of the doubt and players or whatever, I'm just like, oh, everybody's out there just playing hard. You want to do good ball. But hitting. So do I. Hitting Fernando Mendoza in the head like that. I'm like, oh, that was dirt. Those were dirty. Those were dirty.

B (52:42)

What would you like?

A (52:43)

Well, he was a live runner, so, like, he was like, I got a free shot.

C (52:46)

But, I mean, but like, in 2007.

A (52:49)

We would be like, I don't know about you guys, but, like, we. Before games, you'd be like, they're trying to knock the quarterback out of the game. That was, like, an expectation.

C (52:57)

I just feel like those were, like, plays within the normal course of the game.

B (53:01)

Even if he would have hit him hard, that's fine. But he.

A (53:03)

It was a little bit.

C (53:04)

It was a really dirty, dirty.

A (53:07)

And then it was dirty.

C (53:08)

And then taken with what happened in the Ole Miss game when old boy dove across the field into Kewan Lacey's shoulder, that was already injured. I was just like, again. But again, I. I understand. Football is football. I don't care if people get hurt, but I want people to get hurt according to, you know, like, within the rules. That didn't seem right. But anyway, and. And that was the thing. We've seen a lot of Fernando Mendoza this year, and in this game, he just looks. Looked vacant in a lot of times, and he just looked like he looked frustrated because he was getting his ass kicked. But also, he looked vacant in a way that I was like, I don't know. He looks. He seems a little off.

A (53:42)

But he also made some incredible plays.

C (53:43)

He did.

A (53:44)

You know what I mean?

B (53:44)

Incredible play.

A (53:46)

Those back shoulder throws, which he's done all year. And that was the reason why Signetti brought him there, because he's like this guy. Those are the throws I like. They're safe throws. And this is a guy that knows how to throw on time, right? And they worked with him in the pocket. He's been able to develop that. He's been incredible doing that. So got to give him some credit. Can I ask about Signetti? Because just looking at the landscape of coaches, right, I mean, Kirby Smart is or has been viewed kind of as the number one guy, I would say, in college football.

B (54:08)

Not according to Joel, but.

A (54:09)

Not according to Joel.

C (54:10)

Oh, Kirby Smart. No, it's coaching, Eddie.

A (54:15)

All right, That's. That. Was that okay?

B (54:17)

It is definitely Curtis.

A (54:18)

Yeah. Is it Signetti?

B (54:20)

It's definitely Curtsy. Right now it's Kurt Signetti.

A (54:22)

Right?

B (54:23)

Right now it's Kurt Signetti, but it.

A (54:25)

Wasn't Ryan Day last year, right?

C (54:27)

Oh.

A (54:29)

I mean it was still Kirby.

B (54:30)

But okay, let's see about it like.

C (54:31)

This, Ryan's top five.

A (54:32)

So of course, I'm just saying it. I don't think it changed. I think it made.

B (54:35)

So if you, if you look at Ryan Day, Ryan Day has players on his team which you could say are amongst the greatest talents that have ever existed in college football.

A (54:45)

Right. When you look at guys, just watch them play a game, guys like that.

B (54:47)

All kinds of Caleb Nows, guys like that, Kurt Ze it the team. It's so much about attitude, discipline, culture, scheme. That's a coach's team. Obviously they have Fernando Mendoza who is a fantastic signal caller, great quarterback, but he's not wowing you with anything that he's able to do physically.

C (55:09)

He, this wasn't Vince Young, Cam Newton, Joe Burrow.

B (55:13)

No, but, but it.

A (55:14)

This, but he joined all those guys.

B (55:15)

He did. This team is so well coached. They do what they do so well. They're so disciplined. They don't seem to have a discernible weakness. So like right now, if you're putting a team together and you're like, we have a high floor.

C (55:31)

Yeah.

B (55:32)

Like with this we dominate. It's going to be Kirby, not Kirby smart. It's going to be Kurt Signetti to me.

C (55:38)

And that's the thing. And all the things you said are true about Indiana and we said coming to the game, they don't beat themselves. They're a well coached team. They didn't look like any of that tonight and they still won. And that the thing that they were so fucking tough, man. Like you just don't want to, you know, people can overdo the gritty thing, these gritty three stars or whatever. But they really gutted out this game. They've played a sloppy, kind of ugly game and were in control of it for most of the game. Like Miami was playing from behind all game long. So. Yeah, I just, and I have so much respect for what Indiana pulled off and that's why I'm, you know, the Joel prize is. That is the greatest college football season that I've ever seen.

A (56:19)

Is that a new thing?

B (56:20)

The Joel Price?

C (56:20)

The Joel prize.

A (56:21)

Okay, okay, okay.

B (56:23)

Whatever. The Joe Price. So, so Jack gets the Joel prize for being.

A (56:29)

Yeah, Jack got the Joe Prize.

C (56:32)

Jack over there bashful now, man. What's wrong?

A (56:40)

Hey Joel, you got the chat pulled up? Is there anything in the chat that.

C (56:43)

Yeah, let me.

A (56:43)

Can I do that?

B (56:44)

Yeah.

A (56:45)

Joe Joel is the number one like engager with the chat while he's live on the show.

C (56:50)

Somebody said something about me.

A (56:55)

Is that what you're looking for?

C (56:56)

Giving up on. On Lanning? And I wanted to say. Oh, yeah, the Cameo six.

B (57:02)

The Cameo.

A (57:04)

We should let Joel pronounce Joel. Joel.

C (57:07)

D, K A M, U I. Yeah, Just.

B (57:09)

What did he say?

C (57:10)

He said, joel don't want Lanning no more. More.

B (57:12)

You don't want landing.

A (57:13)

I know that's not a great comment. It's got to be.

C (57:16)

No, no, because I was going like, I. You know, I was telling you I was, like, landing and smart or whatever. To me, like, I toss a point. I'll take either one. You know, whatever. At this moment, right now. Right.

A (57:27)

So. So you. You have. Now Kirby Smart is in front of Dan Lanning. That's. That's.

C (57:31)

They're like.

A (57:32)

But neither. Neither one's getting the Joel Award.

C (57:35)

Neither one of them is getting the Joel.

A (57:36)

Okay.

B (57:36)

The Joel Award is going to. Okay, Give us. Give us your top five college football quarterbacks.

C (57:46)

Okay. And this doesn't have to include anybody going to the league. No thing. It's just top five.

B (57:50)

Top five.

C (57:51)

Okay.

B (57:51)

If you must.

A (57:52)

Okay, well, this is a. This is a. Your Todd McShay has his top five.

C (57:57)

This is gonna be live.

A (57:57)

This is Joel's top five. Yeah.

C (57:59)

You ready?

A (57:59)

Yeah.

C (57:59)

Okay.

A (58:00)

McShay's also live right now, so he could be doing his top five as we speak. We don't know.

B (58:04)

So shout out to McShay.

A (58:06)

Shout out to McShay.

C (58:06)

Because we.

A (58:07)

We're actually good teammates. We. We raised the roof for McShay.

B (58:11)

We raised the roof for McShay.

C (58:12)

It's hard for me because the mic.

A (58:14)

I know it's hard to raise the roof with this mic here, man. All right, all right. Top five. Yeah.

C (58:20)

Okay. Top five. So this is a. A mixture of accomplishment and potential. So it's just like, you know, who had the great season.

B (58:27)

Yeah.

C (58:27)

Okay. Right.

A (58:27)

That's usually what gets you in the top five.

C (58:29)

Yeah. Touch your top five. Okay, well, I mean, it's not like, who do I want to have in five?

B (58:33)

Oh, my God.

A (58:34)

O.

C (58:37)

Okay, stop. Let me do it. Okay. Number one, Fernando Mendoza.

B (58:42)

Well, I thought we were doing coaches.

A (58:44)

No, no, no. He's doing quarterbacks.

C (58:47)

Do you want me to do coaches? You meant coaches? Yeah. Oh, you. Okay. Sorry.

B (58:52)

Yeah, dude. Okay.

C (58:53)

You said you. You. Did you. Did you say quarterbacks?

B (58:55)

Quarterbacks. Quarterbacks. Okay. Number one, Fernando Mendoza.

C (58:58)

Fernando Mendoza.

B (58:59)

Okay.

C (59:00)

Number two, Diego Pavia. Number two.

B (59:01)

Completely.

C (59:02)

Oh, completely different.

A (59:04)

You got to be kidding me.

B (59:05)

Yeah.

A (59:06)

Is this for the Is this for the.

C (59:08)

I told you that this isn't about the NFL.

A (59:10)

Okay. Okay. Okay.

C (59:11)

It's just accomplishment.

A (59:12)

This is your Joel Price. Joel Prize. Top five QB's in college football.

C (59:18)

College football with. No.

A (59:19)

No like forecasting of the. No forecast.

C (59:24)

None of that.

B (59:24)

Okay. Number two.

C (59:25)

Just want to see.

A (59:26)

Yeah.

C (59:26)

Just Y.

A (59:27)

Okay.

B (59:27)

Okay.

C (59:27)

Drew Mester maker. North Texas is on.

A (59:30)

Who's going to Oklahoma State next year.

C (59:31)

He's going to Oklahoma State.

B (59:32)

He's number three.

A (59:33)

Yeah.

C (59:33)

He's number three.

A (59:34)

He's number three. All okay.

C (59:35)

Really good man.

A (59:36)

Really good year. Yeah.

C (59:37)

Yeah.

A (59:37)

Eric Morris. Really good coach.

C (59:38)

Yeah. Number four, Julian saying.

B (59:42)

Oh, yeah.

A (59:44)

Behind Messamaker.

C (59:45)

Wow. Did you see us? Did you see what he did?

A (59:50)

I love Eric Morris. Okay. Wazoo guy.

C (59:52)

Okay.

B (59:53)

Yeah.

C (59:54)

I mean, I think Julian sand is a great quarterback, but he also benefits from an incredible supporting catch.

B (59:58)

A ridiculous amount of guys. Carnell Tate, Jeremiah Smith. Yeah.

C (60:01)

And he's got every advantage a quarterback could want.

A (60:04)

Jeremiah Smith.

C (60:05)

And I'm still putting him number four.

A (60:06)

Number five.

C (60:07)

Number five. Number five.

A (60:16)

That's number seven.

C (60:17)

Okay.

B (60:18)

No, wait.

C (60:18)

Okay, you ready?

A (60:21)

I think. I think making joke. All right. Take out Hoover. Number five. Real number five.

C (60:27)

Oh, my. Real number five. Okay. Sam Levitt.

A (60:34)

He had a horrible.

C (60:35)

You're right.

B (60:36)

You're right.

C (60:37)

Okay. I was just with y'. All. Y' all really want the motherfucker.

A (60:42)

You know? You know, tricked us twice. Now the third time, it's on us. Who's the top five? Who's the number five quarterback back?

C (60:50)

Okay.

A (60:51)

Drink a little water. We've talked about Darien Minsa.

C (60:56)

That would be Dar Mena. Dante Moore already. Dante Moore. I thought you. I thought I said Dante Moore already. I thought I said Dante Moore already.

B (61:07)

You didn't say it.

C (61:08)

I didn't say it. So. That's right.

A (61:09)

So Dante Moore behind Mesta Maker.

C (61:11)

Behind. Do you know. Do you know about North Texas football, brother? I know that is not a school that people talk about.

A (61:22)

I know.

C (61:23)

And what he did there is a first time starter with talent. His best weapons were freshmen at North Texas and he put up incredible numbers and almost won a conference where they really are not built like that in terms of talent yet. Memphis and all those other schools are better. So respect Drew Mesterman Maker.

A (61:44)

We do respect him. There's a comment in the chat that Billy just sent me. They said, ask Joel about what he got his car about when he got his car stolen in Brooklyn. Oh, you got your car stolen in Brooklyn.

B (61:55)

Who sold?

C (61:56)

How you know that? Who is it?

B (61:59)

As Joe I like. I like this.

C (62:01)

Okay. Y' all ready?

B (62:02)

Yeah.

A (62:03)

All right.

C (62:05)

Okay, so this is not a good story. I don't.

B (62:10)

No, I. We want. No, we.

A (62:11)

I mean, obviously someone in the chat thinks it is somebody.

C (62:14)

So, anyway, when I was living in Brooklyn, and I was 413 Myrtle street in.

A (62:19)

We didn't need the address.

C (62:20)

Okay, whatever. We were right over a Chinese restaurant and Putnam's Grill, and that was a. A cleaner. Anyway, is this solo Joel? Nah, I shared a room.

A (62:30)

Family Joel.

C (62:30)

With my. I had a roommate, my boy Decker.

A (62:33)

So single Joel.

C (62:37)

In between relationships, Joel.

B (62:38)

Okay, all right.

A (62:40)

Try and get context of the time.

C (62:41)

I mean, you know what I'm saying? Who care? Okay. I was. All right, anyway, so anyway, you know.

A (62:47)

I'm a G. You know, I'm a.

C (62:49)

G. You know, I'm a G. Normal G. So anyway, yeah, man. So we. I went. I'm out upstairs one night, and I'm getting ready to go somewhere in my car, and I go out there. I'm like, man, what the is my car, bro? I'm. You know, I usually park on the same block. And then I looked around, you know, just, look. I was like, man, I looked around for, like, you know, five, 10 minutes, walk around the block, blocks. My car's not there. I had to call the police, man. And so I called yourself. I had to call the police. They show up and they're like, man, you're gonna probably just have to come down to the yard with us, bro. And he said, well, I'll drive. He said, I'll drive you around. So the guy. The guy put me in the back of the cop car. First time I've ever been in the back of a cop car. It was crazy.

A (63:30)

I don't think I would have got in the back of the golf car.

B (63:31)

I wouldn't either.

C (63:32)

Yeah, but I was like, I don't. It was New York. I don't know, man, but I want my car. I was concerned about my car.

A (63:38)

Right. I still wouldn't have got the back.

C (63:39)

Yeah, I mean, I, I, I just kind of.

B (63:41)

Yeah.

C (63:42)

So I guess maybe that's why the story got brought up. So, anyway, so, yeah, I drove. The cop drove me around for a couple minutes, and then I couldn't find it. So I went to the Navy Yard, Brooklyn Navy Yard, which is the, you know, where they take all the cars. I got my car towed about eight times in three months in Brooklyn. Signs are very confusing. It's very hard to find where to park. I did not enjoy that experience.

B (64:05)

What happened to the car?

A (64:06)

Yes, I told you, they towed it.

C (64:08)

It.

B (64:08)

Oh, the car had been told.

C (64:10)

They go. The car got told.

B (64:11)

So it had not been stolen.

C (64:12)

Are they talking about the car that got stolen in front of my house earlier this year? What?

B (64:16)

Joe, hold on for a second. Wait a second. Reset real quick. So the car in Brooklyn was not stolen. It was.

C (64:23)

It got towed.

A (64:24)

So that's a crazy.

B (64:25)

So that's. Okay, so that's happened to almost every human being.

A (64:28)

I got towed in la.

B (64:29)

I got. I've gotten towed before.

C (64:31)

I'd never gone outside in my car, and I've been there.

A (64:33)

Okay, But I wouldn't go to tell. I wouldn't get in the back of a cop car and be like, my car's stolen.

C (64:37)

But.

B (64:38)

But, like, I didn't. Hold on, wait a second. Anytime your car gets towed, you come back and the car is gone. That has happened. Yeah, that happens before. It wasn't stolen. The car got towed. You called the police. Okay, so. So, like, that's.

C (64:54)

So I did not want to tell this story.

B (64:56)

I understand, but what I'm saying is that. What I'm saying is that that's happened before. You come back, you see all my cars here. You look, the car got towed. It's happening.

A (65:04)

There's a number that's like, hey, call the number.

B (65:06)

It's called a number. Yeah, you got to go to the Hollywood.

A (65:10)

They're like, whatever, cash.

B (65:11)

You gotta. Yeah, the whole nine. Has your car ever actually been stolen?

C (65:15)

Yeah.

B (65:15)

Okay, when did it get stolen?

C (65:17)

Well, they got actually recently.

B (65:19)

Okay, what happened?

C (65:20)

Well, and it wasn't technically my car, but it was my wife's friend's car.

A (65:23)

This is Mary. This is Mary Joel.

C (65:25)

This is Mary Joel, my wife's friend's car. Because when we moved here from across the country, and we were trying to move, you know, take for the Airbnb and back to the house and all this stuff, and so she loaned us her car so we could do that, and so then she didn't really like the car anyway, so she just kind of left it at the house. And I was like, hey, man, when is. I'm not gonna say her name, but.

A (65:47)

I mean, she's probably in the chat.

C (65:49)

She's probably not in the chat. And she didn't do nothing wrong. It was Thea. Anyway, so Thea, My wife's friend Thea. My wife's friend Thea. And so Thea. And I told. I told Janae. I was like, man, why is that called. Car's still here? And she's like, well, theater really want it. And her husband. They don't really want the car, so they just kind of. They kind of just want to know if we could leave it here in front of the house. I was like, wait, what? Yeah.

B (66:11)

So they don't want their car?

C (66:13)

Yeah. So they.

B (66:13)

They. It's an old car, so they just.

C (66:15)

Want to know if they can just.

B (66:16)

Leave the car in front of your crib.

C (66:18)

Yeah.

B (66:18)

Did the car run?

C (66:19)

Yeah.

B (66:20)

Okay. So, like, nobody thought maybe we donate the car. 100 cars for kids.

A (66:23)

Yeah.

C (66:24)

Because we were just like, sometimes we did need a second car. Like, especially when my mom comes to visit or my dad. Right.

A (66:29)

So you're just like, there's a championship.

B (66:34)

Joel. I don't know that I've ever been more interested in anything.

C (66:37)

Okay, so.

B (66:38)

So the car. You guys have a car. You don't need the car. The car is outside the house.

C (66:41)

Yeah. So one day there, and I missed this. But they were going to. They. They repaired all the water lines on our street. Okay. And so I get up that morning, there's construction going on in the street. And so I go outside, and I'm like, where's this car? And so I'm like, God damn, that's crazy. Where's the car? So I'm, you know, going crazy trying to figure that out. I get in my car, drive around the neighborhood a bunch of times because somebody told me they were like, well, sometimes they'll tow your car to a different spot in the neighborhood just so they can do the construction work. And so I did that for, like, two hours, one work day, and I was just like, damn, bro. I don't know where the fuck it is, man. They must have really towed it someplace. Sometimes they'll tow it to a downtown place. Anyway, so got towed there. It got towed. It did not get told. What happened is it got stolen. I'm sorry. Somebody stole the car. They actually stole it.

A (67:32)

Right.

C (67:33)

And so anyway.

A (67:35)

But wasn't that kind of a relationship?

C (67:36)

And then they abandoned it, and then it got towed to a downtown lot. They, like, stripped. They stripped it, man. This is in the front of my house in a neighborhood that I feel very welcome and loved in. It was just very shocking that somebody came in front of our house and stole a car. That was crazy, right? Crazy, dog. That's. That never happened before me in my life anyway.

A (67:57)

Right. Man, that was a journey.

B (68:00)

That was.

A (68:00)

So that was a stole. That was first stolen, then towed. First one was just towed.

C (68:06)

The first one was just. The second one was actually stolen and then towed.

A (68:10)

Are There any football questions in the chat?

C (68:15)

Okay, ask questions, guys. They're just making comments.

A (68:19)

Oh, they're making comments because they're having fun. They enjoy the stories.

C (68:21)

All right, I'm gonna read this uncomfortable comment at Toby Moses, 2689 Van 8, 100 car.

B (68:26)

I knew you was gonna read that front, Ira. No, they said Israeli. Moving on.

C (68:31)

Israeli front. Okay, okay.

B (68:32)

Just move on, bro. Just move on, bro. I knew you. I knew that that was the one you. Because I'm looking at. I'm looking at all the ones in here, too, too.

C (68:40)

I'm looking.

B (68:40)

I knew that was the one you was gonna read.

C (68:42)

She's probably in the chat. Nah, man. Thea's not in the chat.

A (68:45)

She's not in the chat. Also, like, sounds like a win for them. Cause they didn't want the car anyway. And then.

C (68:49)

Yeah, I mean, it wasn't. I mean, it wasn't a big deal, like when the car got. You know, but it still was just. I mean. Oh, they'll come still from in front of your house. But I still. You know. Look, man, I live in a world, you know what I mean? And if they. If somebody had to do that to get over it, then whatever, you know what I mean, it don't make me more scared of my neighborhood, you know?

B (69:09)

So I wanna. So we're. We're doing a show in a couple of days, a special show for you guys, and it's. We're giving out awards and stuff. And I want you to think about some of the awards that you might be giving out. Like, think about who you might like. Joel's HOE of the Year. College football.

C (69:25)

HOE of the Year. Hoe of the Year.

B (69:28)

Yeah.

A (69:29)

And maybe we make an acronym for hoe. You know what I mean? So then we're like, hoe, you know, we'll make it work. What you say?

C (69:36)

I'm not going to say. I'm not going to say it again.

B (69:38)

What I told you guys.

C (69:39)

RBR 480.

B (69:40)

I told you.

C (69:41)

Are you saying this just to say that I'm a. You said Joel. See, this is what be getting me out of pocket, man.

B (69:46)

What?

C (69:46)

When a. Talk to me like that, Joel, is a. First of all, that's ableist language. I learned that on Blue sky the other day.

B (69:53)

That.

C (69:53)

That is very ableist language. RBR498. And also, I don't talk. You know. Look, man.

B (70:03)

So Joe. So Joe.

C (70:05)

Up, dog. Man, you don't talk about me like that, man.

A (70:09)

That's the right attitude, though, I think.

C (70:11)

Y' all talk to me like that.

A (70:12)

You had a fight. Fire with fire.

B (70:13)

Joe. Joe.

C (70:13)

Yes, sir.

B (70:14)

So, like, can I ask you why. Can I ask. And we'll get back to college football, but can I ask why you take shit right tonight? Why you. Why you. Why you take shit so personal?

C (70:25)

I don't like people talking to me crazy.

B (70:27)

Yeah, okay.

C (70:28)

Yeah, that's it. That's bottom line. It doesn't make a difference who you are. Whichever you want, you know? Like, it. The thing is that I have real confidence in life. I don't know if people know this. I have real confidence. Like, you can't. You're not gonna shake me. You can call, you know, you can say whatever. Joel's weird or gay, you know, whatever. Like, I've never. I was never. I was never moved by somebody saying, unless I really respected you. Yeah, yeah, right. So you can't.

B (70:50)

This is why you got so mad@Reddit cf. Right.

C (70:53)

But if you talk to me crazy, it's funny, because my son did this shit to me the other day. I was like, God. I was like, man, what. I was like, man, put your. And I didn't say put your. I was like, put your. Guy. I was like, desmond, put your goddamn coat on, man. I was so frustrated. And he was like, why are you talking to me like that?

B (71:13)

That's the. I'm talking about.

C (71:14)

Yeah, I was like, you know what? I was like, that's me. I was like, that's me. And I respect that.

B (71:18)

Yeah.

C (71:19)

Yeah. I was like, I have a standard because I don't talk to.

A (71:22)

Even when he's getting my Joel award.

C (71:24)

And even. Yeah, right. And even when we joke with each other, I don't about talk. Talk to people crazy. I don't call names. I don't do that kind of. I'm respectful to people. You know what I'm saying?

B (71:31)

So you're mad that he called you?

C (71:32)

Yeah, I don't like that. Yeah, I told you. I told you, dog. Get on out here. That whole.

A (71:39)

Well, as B was saying, we're gonna be doing like a wrap up end of the year show, so we're gonna have a lot of, you know, looking back at the season, a lot of great things, a lot of fun things happened. We had some great moments here on the show, so we'll reflect on those moments, but let's like, wrap up thoughts on the national championship game, some parting thoughts, things that you'll remember. I'll go to you for. I'll give Joel some time to marinate over there.

B (72:02)

You guys if you look back in the totality of things, there's been a lot of stories surrounding college football that don't have anything to do with college football, nothing to do with the games. This was a sneaky, amazing college football season.

A (72:15)

It was great.

B (72:15)

It's a great college football season. There wasn't like, like a runaway, hyper, outstanding Heisman Trophy guy that, like, put up crazy numbers. But when you look back at it, Mendoza was the perfect Heisman Trophy winner.

A (72:31)

The right guy.

B (72:32)

Like, that's definitely the right guy. And then the playoffs were sensational. Miami's rise in the playoff. Indiana, Indiana's dominance in the playoff. You know, Ohio State losing, you know, Georgia losing. Ole Miss making a stand through everything that they were going through.

A (72:52)

Trinidad, Chambliss.

C (72:54)

Trinidad gets another year, man.

A (72:56)

Yeah, we need him back.

C (72:57)

Hope he gets another year.

A (72:57)

He got a good lawyer, apparently. That's.

C (72:59)

Tom Mars is a motherfucker.

B (73:00)

So, you know, we'll see what happens. Like all of this stuff that happened throughout the playoffs and then this game. This game was like a classic. Yeah, it was, you know, it wasn't a perfectly played game, but it certainly was a game that had had amazing playmaking, grit, determination. It was very physical. Wasn't a shootout or defensive struggle. That was like 10 to 7 or something like that. It's a really well played, really dramatic college football game. This was a great, great season. A perfect season for us to start this show.

A (73:35)

And it and hope is a great thing. It can be a dangerous thing, but it can be a great thing. And I feel like Indiana winning has given a lot of programs in the country hopefully that there is a path to winning a national championship. Even if you're not one of the teams that have been ordained to be a national championship type program, which is great.

C (73:52)

There are going to be so many people who get fired over the next three or four years.

A (73:55)

Yeah. Kirk Signetti has created a problem.

C (73:56)

Kirk Signetti done fuck the game up for a lot of people, man, because they're going to start looking at people like, he was able to do this in two years. Why haven't you done it in five?

A (74:04)

And also with these short practice times and like, he slept till 9:30 this morning.

C (74:09)

Yeah, man. But you know, the one thing I also think about too is that the preseason number one was Texas.

A (74:15)

And they might be again.

C (74:17)

They will. It's always about projection, right? Like people are looking at a team, they look at potential. It's not like a known quantity. It's like, I think that Arch Manning is going to Be good. I think that they'll be able to replace those people on the lines. I think they'll be able to do this. They'll create a running game. They'll be able to make Parker Livingston number one receiver. It's all projection with Indiana. And that's kind of the lesson I take from the season with Indiana and Kurt Signetti is that say I want proven commodities, I want guys that have.

A (74:45)

Done it before, production over potential.

C (74:47)

Production over potential. Grown men, basically vets, guys that have been in all sorts of situations, played in all kinds of stadiums. And they're going to come together and they're going to work right, like grown men, right like that, 21, 22, 23 years old. They've seen, you know, what the situations are all around college football. And so they came together under Kirk Signetti, man. And you know, I mean that. I don't. I mean the thing is, is that there are no secrets in college football. People are going to catch up to what Kirsten Eddy's going to do and the great coaches will stay a game ahead. But that what I'm going to take from the year is like, maybe when I look at a team going forward and I think about the Joel Awards, you know, the preseason Joel Awards, I'm going to be thinking about the Jolies. The Jolies, okay, what team? Don't tell me about the five star you got that didn't play at this school. And it's all about projection. Tell me about the Sun Belt Conference player of the year that you signed on the offensive line. Right. Like, like when I'm, when I'm analyzing teams next year, that'll probably be the thing that I think about going forward. So thank you, Kurt Signetti for like, you know, shifting this paradigm.

A (75:48)

He rewired the game.

B (75:49)

You know, you want the five stars, you gotta have them. You want them, you want to have those guys. Things are changing, man. Things are changing. Guys are going to programs, getting developed. A lot of these guys that came from some of the programs that Kurt Signetti got them from, they were developed. They're guys that had worked on their skill sets and they're play. They're playing against players who are developing, they're developed players who are playing against players who are getting better. And if the way to do this is to, you know, let a guy play a couple of years and stuff like that, go grab and put them in your program and have them adapt to what you do. We'll see if people can catch up with that, that. But who's to say that they can, because there are not as many Jeremiah Smiths as we think that there are in college football. Right. We talked about Ryan Williams and how dynamic Ryan Williams is. People feel like, I'm picking on the kid. I'm not picking on the kid. I'm saying the goal to develop and continuously get better in college football, it's not always easy. But when you can go out and.

A (76:55)

Get people, it's not always linear either.

B (76:57)

It's not always linear either. When you can go out and get people, people who, because they played at James Madison or because they've played at some smaller school, have so much time on the field, like what you're talking about, so much time to work on that game, to work on that craft. If you can take them, coach them up, put them in a different situation, you might be able to unlock something for your team like Indiana.

C (77:19)

Can you believe Kirk Signetti? I mean, just think about two years ago. Deion Sanders was the Sports Illustrated Sports Person of the Year for going four and eight. Eight in Colorado. Four and eight. And he was a Sports Person of the year. Kurt Signetti wanted a school that has never even done what Colorado has done and went undefeated and won a national championship and knocked off all the big brands to do it.

B (77:41)

Yeah, all of them.

C (77:42)

All of them. Like, he didn't duck. He didn. He didn't duck. Nobody getting to the. There's nobody you can point to and say, well, maybe Georgia, I guess when you say they didn't beat Georgia this year, but they beat everybody else.

B (77:53)

And yeah, man, watch Ram Dion.

C (77:55)

Oh, because, you know, I was just thinking, I was like, about again, projection.

B (77:58)

Race.

A (77:59)

Yes.

B (78:01)

On Martin Luther King Day.

C (78:02)

You brought him beyond is a Republican.

B (78:03)

That's. That. That's race you. That's race. And let me tell you something else. I haven't heard you say one positive thing about Shador Sanders since he's been making his run in the NFL. And now Stefanski got a job in Atlanta. Everybody in Atlanta's pissed off. I haven't seen you say anything. You talk about Michael Pennis Jr. You bring up Dion out of nowhere, talking about some goddamn Kurt Signetti like that. That's on Martin Luther King Jr's birthday. That's tough, bro.

C (78:27)

Yeah.

B (78:27)

I want you to look yourself in the eye.

C (78:29)

I told you what about. I mean, Dion was considered the sport. And I don't. I feel no great loyalty to Deion because, I mean, I'm sorry. Like, he's. I mean, I want all brothers to do well.

A (78:40)

He sent me Sunglasses.

C (78:41)

But, I mean, I felt like. I just, you know, sometimes I felt like the things that he said about Jackson, Mississippi, and the way that he talked about HBCUs, I'm like, I'm grateful for what he did, but I'm also just a little. I didn't like the way that always went down and the way that he tried to portray that culture and that community to the. To people that will never know what Jackson State is like, though. Never step foot on Prairie View or uapb. But anyway, the point of this was that. The point of this was that I'm just like. Again, Deion was supposed to have been. He was. He had all the hype. He was gonna be the guy. Like, he was going to be the guy that showed you how to turn over a roster. Bring the Louie, and you can win a national championship at Colorado. And I just. I know Kirk Signetti, you know, tried to say google me and do all this shit. I win and all, but, like, nobody knew who the fuck Kirk Signetti was when he showed up at Indiana. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been in Indiana. He would have got the Michigan. You know what I mean? He would have got some other job. So what I'm saying is that Kirk Signetti and them came from nowhere, bro. Nowhere. Nowhere. And it is going to fuck y' all minds up, man. Y' all are going. So many coaches are going to get fired over this shit going forward, but it'll be fun. We'll be able to talk about them coaches.

A (79:47)

Such as the fun last thing the chat wants because we have to service the chat for putting up with us while we're having a good time here. They want to know your top five presidents, Joel.

C (79:56)

Top five presidents. Lbj, number one.

A (80:02)

Number one. Wow.

C (80:04)

Self right. Sack, bro. Voting rights. I mean, you don't think.

B (80:06)

You don't think Vietnam, like, it's. It's like something.

A (80:10)

The UK thing was weird. He got sworn in before he knew anything.

C (80:13)

Okay.

B (80:13)

Yeah.

C (80:14)

He also. Okay, you get. Y' all give me y' all five. Okay. Okay.

B (80:19)

Actually, you know what?

C (80:21)

Abraham Lincoln might be. Let me go. Okay, you're right. You're right. Abraham Lincoln. Abraham Lincoln. Lbj. Fdr. Obama. Jimmy Carter. I don't know. Obama.

B (80:33)

Jimmy Carter. Obama. Okay.

C (80:36)

I don't know. Joe Biden, man. His record, man's, better than his reputation.

B (80:39)

Okay, So I was so.

C (80:42)

I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm so. Any surprise that people did. I did not pick somebody that once owned slaves or like, you know, probably would have Done. You know, showed up at the. What's the Kenosha County Fair in Mississippi. You know, Philadelphia, Mississippi. You surprised I picked Ronald Reagan, even though I lived through his presidency?

B (81:01)

No, I'm not surprised at all. I'm like. I just. I. I would have thought so. It's. You went. Went.

A (81:07)

LBJ was strong.

B (81:11)

Lincoln. Lbj. And then you went fdr.

C (81:14)

Yeah, Link. I mean, man, FDR created the Great Society, but, like, he cut out. I mean, again, I'm a black person.

B (81:21)

We didn't get the GI Bill.

C (81:22)

We didn't get that, bro.

A (81:23)

Yeah. Bill was actually one of the most egregious things that it wasn't.

C (81:27)

Are you texting me, Billy?

B (81:28)

Yeah, he's trying to tell you to. Speaking to the mic.

C (81:31)

Oh, talking to the mic. Yeah.

A (81:32)

Yeah.

C (81:32)

Just say it. Y' all have been laughing. People can hear y'. All.

B (81:37)

Joe's getting a little honor. Yeah, he doesn't.

C (81:39)

Like I have to write after all this. Y' all gotta go.

A (81:41)

Look, look, we're wrapping up. Last thing. Top five coaches in college football.

C (81:46)

Oh, man. Come on, come on, come on.

A (81:49)

Signetti1. You already said that.

B (81:50)

Yeah.

C (81:51)

Why don't y' all give a top?

A (81:52)

I'm gonna go with you here.

C (81:53)

Signetti 1.

A (81:55)

Kirby Smart, 2.

B (81:56)

Kirby 2.

A (81:57)

Dan Lanning, 3.

C (81:58)

Dan Lanning, 3.

B (81:59)

You have Dan Lenning at 3.

C (82:00)

3.

B (82:01)

Okay.

A (82:02)

Marcus Freeman at 4 or Ryan Day at 4. Oh, I put Ryan Day at 3.

B (82:07)

I'll put Ryan Day at 3.

A (82:08)

I put Ryan did 3.

C (82:09)

It's tough because the thing about Ryan Day is that he wins all the games he's supposed to, for the most part, except Michigan. It's just like he has, like, Michigan. Yeah, right. That's what I'm saying. But he's like an 85. But people were always like, oh, man, he's losing Michigan and all that.

A (82:23)

Ryan Day is three.

C (82:24)

No, I had him in five.

A (82:26)

Okay. All right, so what's three for you?

B (82:28)

You.

A (82:30)

Dan.

B (82:32)

Dan Lane.

A (82:32)

And then four, you had Freeman.

C (82:35)

Yeah. Freeman. Yeah. So that's.

A (82:36)

And then five, you have Ryan. So you have Marcus Freeman ahead of Ryan Day.

C (82:39)

Of course.

A (82:40)

Okay, there you go.

B (82:41)

Marcus.

C (82:41)

Even though he didn't. I. You know, I. The thing is, national championships only go, but.

A (82:45)

So they went head to head last year. Mario, Crystal ball. Is he creeping into the top ten? Top five range?

C (82:49)

He's top ten.

A (82:50)

He's top ten.

B (82:51)

Okay, so. So. So just before we go. Go.

C (82:54)

Oh, God.

A (82:56)

Joel's exhausted.

C (82:58)

So hold on. Go.

B (83:00)

Marcus Freeman is ahead of Ryan Day in your coaches.

C (83:05)

Yes.

A (83:05)

Right. Now, I mean, hey, here's the thing.

C (83:08)

Is every time I have to explain, everything is fluid.

A (83:10)

Everything's fluid.

C (83:11)

Everything is fluid. And championship, like a past championship or championships only mean, but so much to me. Would you rather. Would you like to have Ed Oron. Van. Would you like to have Ed Oron? Elaine Kiffin.

B (83:21)

Ed.

C (83:21)

Or has the national championship?

A (83:23)

Well, Lane Kiffin, is he. Is he close to that top five?

B (83:26)

Yeah.

C (83:27)

No.

B (83:27)

Okay, so this.

A (83:29)

So this is what.

B (83:29)

So this is what? I don't.

C (83:31)

I don't. I don't. I don't think he's going to do.

B (83:32)

So the only thing. The only thing that I. That I'd say to the Marcus Freeman thing is in there. I mean, there are loss. Losses to Marshall, there are losses to Northern Illinois.

A (83:43)

Northern Illinois was crazy.

B (83:44)

Stanford loss. There's some weird.

C (83:48)

My top five is about not just accomplishment. A guy that I would like to have have is my coach. Okay. You know what I'm saying?

A (83:54)

So it's personal preferences.

C (83:55)

Yeah. Personal preference. Like the way you run your program, the way you. You know, the. The.

A (83:59)

Where's Belichick on that list?

C (84:01)

Oh, man. I mean, I would take Sonny Dykes over if you told me Bill Belichick was coming. TC I'd be like, get the out of here. No, stop it. Today, like, just like Dabo Sweeney. If you told me Dabo Swinner is gonna coach a tc, I'd be like.

A (84:15)

No, that is crazy. Dabo. Maybe not even the top 10 right now, right?

C (84:18)

Yeah. Oh, of course not.

B (84:19)

No.

C (84:20)

What? Hell, no. That's what I mean, he ain't top. I mean, man, I'd probably take Eric Morris over Dabo Swin.

A (84:27)

I like Eric Morris.

C (84:28)

Okay. Okay, There you go. I like Eric Morris.

B (84:31)

I'm with it. I think it's a good. I think it's a good top five. I would have Ryan Day.

A (84:36)

I. I'd put Ryan Day at three.

B (84:37)

I put Ryan Day at three.

C (84:38)

Okay.

B (84:39)

I think national championships are important.

A (84:41)

Y.

B (84:41)

But. But I can see for somebody who's never won one, like to see how it wouldn't be.

C (84:47)

It always comes. It always. You had Ed Orsron and Les Miles. Do you feel happy as an LSU fan?

A (84:53)

Yeah. Yeah, it feels pretty good.

C (84:57)

I feel.

B (84:58)

I feel pretty good.

A (84:58)

Like the Mad Hatter.

C (85:00)

I mean, there's children, there's. There's sixth grade.

B (85:03)

Well, no, it's not true. It's a lot.

C (85:05)

Six year olds, they're.

A (85:06)

During the day.

C (85:06)

They've never seen LSU win a championship. Right.

B (85:09)

And. And they are.

C (85:10)

They Win a championship and they go. Or they'll go nine and four, and.

B (85:13)

Everybody who there are four year olds.

A (85:15)

That they were born during that ass beating. You know what I mean?

C (85:20)

Yeah.

B (85:20)

When was the last time TCU won? So I'm just asking. 1950. What?

C (85:25)

Okay, what was it?

B (85:26)

1930?

C (85:27)

37, 38, I think. Davey O'. Brien.

B (85:30)

That's.

A (85:31)

That was Davey O'. Brien. That's what I was saying.

B (85:33)

Dave O' Brien was the one who won.

A (85:35)

I didn't want to say that when he was talking about. I was like.

B (85:37)

So just to let y' all know if the coach that won is a. Who they name a trophy after. That's probably not.

C (85:45)

That's.

B (85:46)

That's the olden days.

C (85:47)

Well, I'm sorry they didn't name Jerry DiNardo. Didn't do enough winning for you at LSU.

B (85:51)

I like them. Newt Rockne. Okay, cool.

C (85:54)

You finish your top five.

B (85:55)

Top five what? Coaching my top five coaches?

C (85:58)

Yeah.

B (85:58)

Yeah. My top five coaches. Number one would be Signetti. Number two would be Kirby Smart. Number three would be Ryan Day. Number four.

C (86:10)

Number four would. Would probably. See, this is how tough this is.

B (86:14)

It's. It's. It's. I'm trying to think.

A (86:16)

He wants to say lane number four.

C (86:17)

Is he trying to think of names?

B (86:19)

No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about, like, Mike Elko.

A (86:23)

What about Sark?

C (86:24)

Hell, no.

B (86:25)

Mike, Elko, Sark, guys like that.

C (86:27)

No. Hell, no.

B (86:30)

I'm wondering. I would. You know what I would put at 4, I would put. Damn, it is tough.

C (86:39)

I told you, dog.

A (86:40)

Sorry. Sorry. Getting a. Hell, no.

B (86:43)

I might put Sark in four.

A (86:45)

Yeah.

C (86:45)

Okay.

B (86:46)

And at five, I guess I would have to put Marcus Freeman or Lanning. Nah, I probably put Dan Lanning.

A (86:54)

Yeah, put Lanning.

B (86:54)

I probably put dan Lanning. At 5, I probably would put Atlanto. Like fi.

A (87:02)

Yeah, but we're worried about landing after what we saw in that blowout against it.

C (87:05)

I'm not worried about it.

A (87:06)

Okay.

C (87:07)

He lost to the national champion. That was the best team in the country this year. You lost to them twice. The only two losses you had. I can live with that.

A (87:13)

And guess what? Last year, Indiana, their only two losses, Notre Dame, Ohio State, two teams that played in the title game.

C (87:18)

That's what I'm saying, man. Dante Moore coming back next year, they're gonna have Dylan Rayola.

A (87:23)

So, yeah, if Morgan's hurt, Raiola's right there. So there you go. We're good, right?

B (87:28)

We're good.

A (87:28)

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