CFP Semifinals Live Reactions

Summary

Ringer Tailgate: CFP Semifinals Live Reactions – January 10, 2026

Hosts: Van Lathan, Joel Anderson, Tate Frazier

Special Guests: Billy

Theme: Live, real-time reactions and sharp debate as Indiana routs Oregon in the second CFP semifinal and Miami stuns Ole Miss in a classic. The crew breaks down the narratives, coaching legacies, chaos, and off-field fun shaping the lead-up to the national championship.

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Main Theme & Episode Overview

In this special live episode, the Ringer Tailgate crew unpacks the wild action from the College Football Playoff (CFP) semifinals. The show starts as Indiana unleashes a blowout on Oregon, sparking spirited discussion about historical dominance, program perception, and coaching. Attention then turns to Miami’s incredible last-second victory over Ole Miss — a win with “team of destiny” energy and deep implications for the CFP title game matchup. Along the way, the crew dives into the narratives around blue-blood programs, whether Miami is "back," the Dan Lanning debate, Lane Kiffin at LSU, and the changing landscape of modern college football.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Indiana’s Dominant Rout of Oregon

• Live Score-Tracking: The show opens with Indiana up 42–15 on Oregon late in the third quarter (04:50, 28:28, 44:28).
• Indiana's Rise: Multiple hosts emphasize Indiana’s “complete” team and rapid climb from irrelevance to CFP favorite:
  • “Indiana is as complete a college football team as we've seen in a long time.” – Van Lathan (05:12)
  • “Possibly one win away from maybe the most impressive college season in recent memory.” – Joel Anderson (06:23)
• Playoff Resume: Indiana has taken down Illinois, Oregon, Ohio State, Alabama, and now Oregon again, in remarkable fashion (06:58).
• Historical Framing: The crew debates whether this path would qualify as one of the most amazing seasons ever (07:47).
• X’s and O’s: Tate highlights how Indiana converts mistakes into points (three Oregon turnovers leading to 21 points), while Miami’s error-prone ways could doom them in the title game (16:25).
• Coaching Greatness: The table credits Indiana's Kurt Signetti as transformative and potentially historic if he wins the title (63:11, 63:24).

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2. Miami’s Overtime Epic Against Ole Miss

• Instant Classic: Tate calls Miami-Ole Miss “an instant classic of a college football playoff game” (05:12, 10:21).
• Miami’s Grit: Van praises Miami’s “strong culture” and refusal to fold in critical moments:
  • “Any lesser of a team would have said, you know what, this is—the offense hadn’t been explosive. Think about going on a two-minute drive in that situation and getting the touchdown. Did you think that Miami had that in them? No, but they believe.” – Van Lathan (11:20)
• Team of Destiny?: The episode explores whether Miami is having a magical “team of destiny” year (14:44).
• Miami’s Champions: Key praise for Miami role-players stepping up—Keelan Marion, Malachi Tony, Fletcher—and the ‘next man up’ mentality (17:26).
• Legacy & The U: Discussion about “Is The U back?” and what it actually means; comparison to early 2000s Miami teams — “you can't ever be back” unless you’re dominant (18:52, 19:59, 21:02).
• Cinderella Theme: Miami as a double-digit seed playing a title game at home is cast as a rare program Cinderella (22:38).

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3. Setting up the National Championship: Indiana vs. Miami

• First Title Game Home Advantage Since 1998: Miami will play for the title at Hard Rock Stadium, the first CFP/BCS team so favored (10:21).
• Indiana as Heavy Favorite: Early lines show Indiana a 7.5-point favorite vs Miami—“insane” and “shows how far Signetti has taken them” (49:10, 64:02).
• Pathways to Victory: Miami needs “a near-perfect game,” but Indiana can win in “so many ways” (08:16).
• Cultural Rematch: Van muses that a Miami win over Indiana would now be “one of the bigger upsets” in memory—a “paradigm shift” in blue-blood football (63:35).

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4. The Dan Lanning Debate: Is He a ‘Fraud’? (33:59–44:47)

• Oregon’s Playoff Woes: Lanning loses big, again, to a team he played close in regular season. Van: “Is Dan Lanning a fraud?” (34:02)
• Coaching Indictment: “They never got better or hit their stride. That is a clear indictment of the staff.” – Van Lathan (38:53)
• Defensive Arguments: Joel pushes back, “It is hard to get to the playoffs... Very hard to do this.” (42:01, 42:33)
• Comparisons: Would you rather have Lanning or Cristobal? Lane Kiffin? Kirby Smart? The guys debate these matchups, agreeing Lanning is not in the top tier yet but still a desirable coach (44:47–49:04).
• Fan Expectations: Is making the playoff enough? “There are probably a lot of Oregon fans that don't like getting embarrassed like this on a national stage.” – Van Lathan (69:22)

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5. Legacy Debates, Coaching Tiers, What Matters Most

• Coaching Greatness: Intense debates about what matters — winning, championships, or both:
  • “Would you be content with 10-win seasons and playoff trips but never a championship?” – Van Lathan (68:26)
  • Joel: “I value winning because you can't win championships without winning. I always want my team nationally relevant and competitive…and I'll take my chances with that.” (68:36, 69:00)
• Championships vs. Consistency: Personal anecdotes (Joel’s on Houston Rockets ’94, Billy Donovan) about how championships can feel unexpectedly ‘empty’ (77:54, 79:23).
• The Dabo Sweeney and James Franklin Zone: Are programs too quick to judge? Logical inconsistencies in firing coaches who regularly make the playoff but rarely win big (87:11).

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6. Is ‘The U’ Back? The Meaning of Miami’s Run (18:04–21:02)

• “The feeling is what people have been talking about—the feeling that Miami football used to give you, that feeling of culture sizzle, that feeling of excitement…” – Van Lathan (18:01)
• “The U does not lose to SMU, bro. The U does not lose to Louisville. They don’t have a quarterback like Carson Beck.” – Joel (19:30)
• What is “Back”? (21:02) — “If that's the case, they’re never coming back.” “There’s nothing wrong...those were one-of-a-kind teams…we’re talking about the great teams of all time...”

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7. Sidebar Banter & Notable Off-Field Conversations

• Coaching Fights & Vibes: Joking speculation about who would win in a fight, Signetti vs. Cristobal, ending with laughter (64:05–66:22).
• Lava Lamp Story: Joel shares the origin story of his lava lamp, Maxim magazine advice, and his mother’s gift (02:23–03:50).
• Cuban Music Discourse: Extended riff on Gloria Estefan, Miami Sound Machine, and Trick Daddy as local icons (50:00–52:08).
• Fraternity Chat: Deep dive on Kappa Sig’s checkered reputation and notable alumni (25:40–27:44).
• Hometown Bragging & Golden Globe Parties: Tales from Spotify/Golden Globes party; who’s in the ‘inner circle’ at The Ringer (11:46–14:23).

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8. Philosophy Shift: SEC No Longer Premier? (93:18–97:44)

• Van’s Parting Shot: “The SEC is behind college football now in philosophy...They’re playing a soft, flashy brand of college football that was more in vogue four or five years ago...[others] are dominating by running the ball, controlling clock.” – Van Lathan (96:01–97:44)

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9. Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Indiana’s Legitimacy:
  “If you're still holding on to the Indiana can’t possibly be doing this thing, then you're not really analyzing and taking in the sport as it exists in this present moment.” – Van Lathan (09:06)
• Miami’s Destiny:
  “Is Miami a team of destiny?” – Van Lathan (14:44)
• On Dan Lanning:
  “This is two years in a row this has happened to Dan Lanning and this is embarrassing. And this is on the big stage.” – Van Lathan (36:45)
• Championships v. Winning:
  “I value winning because you can't win championships without winning.” – Joel (68:36) “The difference between a winner is that a winner expects to win and a loser is okay losing.” – Van Lathan (73:09)
• On “The U” culture:
  “It’s the feeling that Miami football used to give you, that feeling of culture sizzle, of excitement…” – Van Lathan (18:01)
• Fan Perspective:
  “I would rather take my chances on that [coach who keeps you close] than thinking, I'm definitely going to do better than a coach that can get me 11 wins or go undefeated in the Big Ten.” – Joel (70:31)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Indiana-Oregon Blowout & Gaming History: 04:50, 28:28, 44:28
• Is The U Back? Miami Identity: 18:04–21:02
• Team of Destiny Debate on Miami: 14:44–16:03; 17:26
• Dan Lanning “Fraud?” Debate: 33:59–44:47
• Championships vs Winning Culture: 68:26–71:08, 77:54–79:23
• Coaching Debates (Lanning, Kiffin, Cristobal): 44:47–49:04, 69:22–76:13
• SEC Philosophy Shift: 93:18–97:44
• Fight Club: Signetti vs Cristobal: 64:05–66:22
• Hometown/Party Banter: 11:46–14:23
• Cuban Music & Miami Identity: 50:00–52:08

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In the Voices of the Hosts: Tone and Language

The hosts blend sharp, insightful analysis (“Indiana is as complete a team as we’ve seen in a long time”) with wild, irreverent banter (“Who’s your favorite racist?” “Ric Flair!” “I think Chipper Jones!”), inside jokes, and cultural riffs that keep things light even during intense debate. There’s a strong sense of camaraderie, regional pride (particularly from Van on LSU and the SEC), and a tendency to “call out” takes and logical inconsistencies live.

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Final Takeaways

• Indiana emerges as a dominant, history-making force, headed to the title game as heavy favorites after a playoff run dismantling blue-bloods.
• Miami’s indefatigable run—overcoming deficits, defying odds, riding a “team of destiny” wave—brings them home for a rare and emotional shot at a championship.
• Dan Lanning’s golden reputation takes a hit after another Oregon playoff collapse—raising existential questions about what makes a great coach and whether Oregon fans should be satisfied.
• The crew debates “what matters”: championships, cultural energy, consistent winning, or simply always being “in the fight.”
• The SEC’s run atop CFB may be over as philosophy and identity shift nationally.
• Classic Ringer Tailgate: incisive, irreverent, and always fun—in real time.

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Tune in next week as the Ringer Tailgate crew previews the Indiana-Miami national title showdown, live from Los Angeles.

Transcript

[Joel]

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[Van Lathan]

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[Joel]

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[Van Lathan]

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[Joel]

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[Tate]

Welcome back to Ringer Tailgate, the live edition of the show. It is the CFP semifinals, and we are in the building right now. We're reacting in real time to what's happening. Van Lathan, are you ready to. You ready to raise the roof? That's.

[Van Lathan]

That's.

[Joel]

Yeah. All right. Wow.

[Van Lathan]

What's happening right now to Oregon? I think we kind of told you guys. Welcome back, guys. We're having fun. Joel's already here.

[Tate]

Yeah. What's going on? Joel, how you doing, man?

[Joel]

I'm good. You know, we're on, what, 38 minutes earlier than I thought we were going to be. So I'm not quite as ready as I would like to be, but, you know, hey, man, anything for y'.

[Van Lathan]

All.

[Tate]

Well, let's shout out our.

[Joel]

I'll come out to la. I won't go to Miami. I'll come out to LA for y'.

[Van Lathan]

All.

[Joel]

Whatever you. Whatever y' all need. You know what I'm saying?

[Tate]

23 minutes in.

[Joel]

No, no, no. It said 10:45 on the. On the YouTube link.

[Van Lathan]

The.

[Joel]

The YouTube link. Okay.

[Van Lathan]

You can't.

[Billy]

You can't possibly think that's how you say YouTube.

[Van Lathan]

No, than is just a bit.

[Joel]

Now at this point, I've not talked to a lot of people. I've not talked to a lot of people in the last two to three hours.

[Van Lathan]

What you say?

[Joel]

I've not talked to a lot of people in the last two to three hours.

[Tate]

But you can't blame that for all the misproduction purpose.

[Van Lathan]

That one was on purpose.

[Joel]

I did not. First of all, it wasn't wrong. I mean, you can't say YouTube. You can't say it like that.

[Van Lathan]

That's not.

[Tate]

You have to litigate every association.

[Billy]

Why do you have a lava lamp?

[Van Lathan]

Oh, you do back.

[Joel]

Oh, that's been here forever.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, well, actually, I know where that came from.

[Joel]

Actually, you know what?

[Van Lathan]

That was from looking through 7.

[Billy]

227.

[Tate]

Yeah. You have two lava lamps. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

You guys used to have in the back, so.

[Joel]

No, there's a story. No, here's the story.

[Tate]

The lamp was a gift, Todd.

[Van Lathan]

So the.

[Joel]

My mom got me this lava lamp because my other lava lamp wasn't acting right. You know why I bought that lava lamp? Because I used to subscribe to Maxim magazine back in the day. Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Subscribe.

[Joel]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

So you get a new maximum every month.

[Joel]

I would. I subscribe to everything. I did Ebony, the articles. Yeah, Ebony for Men. They had Code magazine. I did Playboy. I did Sports, espn. Nah, that's a little too far. That was.

[Van Lathan]

FHM was too far. King. King magazine.

[Joel]

I did get King. Yeah. King. King. I. I subscribed to, like, about 15 magazines at one time, and I'll just have them all spread out on my coffee table. But I think this was in Maximum magazine. Well, maybe it was in code. Anyway. They were saying that one thing you do when you have a lady over code was a.

[Van Lathan]

A.

[Joel]

A black thing. It was kind of like a black gq, you know what I'm saying? And it was really good. Great magazine. Anyway, so it went defunct in, like, three years, but whatever. But so what they said is that when you have a young lady over there, like, you know, you got to do some things to have your house nice, you know? And I was. Isn't that age where you're just trying to, you know, find yourself, come up with your vibe? And so they said one thing. You do, like, have things that are interesting in your house. And lava lamp was one of the suggestions. So I've had that lava lamp for. Since the year 2000 or 2001.

[Billy]

What year were the magazines from?

[Joel]

What year?

[Billy]

Oh, yeah, 70s or something. Classic editions.

[Van Lathan]

Because, bro.

[Joel]

Because that's what I'm saying. Because most people will be like, oh, I haven't seen a lava lamp. Or that's kind of. It's something to talk about. It's just something to, you know, ease people in.

[Billy]

And your mom buys them.

[Joel]

No.

[Tate]

227.

[Joel]

The old lava lamp is something I bought. I ordered you with my own.

[Van Lathan]

You brought the. You bought the.

[Joel]

I bought it in college. I had. I had money to.

[Van Lathan]

To seduce hose. Yeah. And your mom bought you the new one for just purpose.

[Joel]

Well, because my kids were fascinated with it, and the other one was not working right. And then.

[Van Lathan]

Let's get the show started, man.

[Tate]

They're calling you Two Lamp, Joel in the chat.

[Joel]

So.

[Tate]

So good start to the night.

[Joel]

I don't want It. I can't get rid of this old lava lamp, man. It's too, too important to me.

[Tate]

Well, we started the show with a mispronunciation from Joel. Joel has a hat on. So this is guaranteed to be a great show. That's all I can say. We're, we're moving in the right direction.

[Joel]

We do have.

[Tate]

And he's taking the hat off. We have a lot going on right now. Oregon, Indiana, Indiana up 42 to 15. If you're watching that game, we're in the third quarter, late in third quarter, organized, the football basically over in this one. Let's just get into the show. One big reaction. Van, I'll go to you first. Obviously Miami Ole Miss is probably the game that the reaction will come from, but maybe it's from this game. What have we learned so far?

[Van Lathan]

What we've learned so far is that Indiana is as complete a college football team as we've seen in a long time. I will say right now that it seems like maybe they're kind of their faltering, falling victim to a little bit of the we're gonna win this game doldrums. I mean that was a clear pass interference. But Indiana is just as complete a college football team as we've seen a lot of the reactions. We're going to talk a lot about the Ole Miss and Miami game. It was a instant classic of a college football game, college football playoff game. To me, this game right here though is unless Oregon can do something miraculous here, this game is starting to be about Indiana's. We talked about this, Indiana's place in history where if this game ends in this type of one sided walloping, then you're gonna have to start asking yourself how dominant this Indiana team actually is, at least in their playoff run.

[Tate]

Joel, your thoughts on that? You still fixing your water? What's going on?

[Joel]

Yeah, I'm fine. I got the water already.

[Tate]

We got Joel to start early and everything's been.

[Joel]

I told you that I wasn't ready, man. Anyway, I was going to say that I think that Indiana is possibly one win away from maybe the most impressive college season in recent memory.

[Tate]

Three wins two years ago.

[Joel]

Yeah, man. I mean, because it's not, it's not that they're the best team, you know, in recent memory. It's not that they're the most dominant team, but what they had to do in the way that they did it is about as impressive a thing as you see. Their first top 10 game of the year. They, I mean they blitzed Illinois they embarrassed Illinois. Nobody thought about Illinois again after Indiana finished with them.

[Van Lathan]

Totally exposed them.

[Joel]

Totally exposed. Went on the road, beat Oregon, played bad and beat Oregon, beat Ohio State in the Big Ten championship, beat Alabama, you know, sort of. I mean, Alabama was more of a brand than a great team at that point, but it says something in the way that they beat them, they humiliated them, and then they're doing it to Oregon. I mean, assuming it holds up and Oregon doesn't make a come. Oregon's doing, Oregon is doing the James Madison like, like they, they, they, they, they learn from James Madison. Keep fighting. Keep fighting. You never know what might happen. You know, you can, we can make the score look better at least. So, yeah, man, I think that they're one more win away. And especially if they win a national championship as a virtual road team, which is what they're going to have to be when they play on Miami's home field. This, this will be about as impressive a season as any, I think a college fantasy in at least in my lifetime.

[Van Lathan]

Do you give Miami any shot to be Indiana? When I say any shot, obviously we know that when two teams line up, anything can happen, but is there a path to victory that you can see from Miami based upon the type of football that Indiana's been playing recently?

[Joel]

Man, I mean, anybody can beat anybody because people can get hurt. You know, there can be, you know.

[Tate]

Miami secondary is already in trouble, targeting already.

[Billy]

Right.

[Joel]

But I feel like there are so many ways that Indiana can win and only a few that Miami can, right? Like, they're not going to be. They're not going to make too many explosive plays. They need their pass rush to be operating at peak efficiency. They can't allow for those guys to get tired. They can't have Carson Beck make any mistakes, which is. It's a stretch. Like, if you ask him to do more, the more you open yourselves up to mistakes. So, yeah, I mean, anything can happen in a game where you hit people. But I tend to think that again, and I said this the last episode, if Indiana had on a different helmet and we didn't know that it was Indiana, like, we just call them something else or just a team. We'd be like, oh, this team is clearly the favorite. They're going to walk in the championship game. But because it's Indiana, I still think we're all a little bit, you know, who knows?

[Van Lathan]

Not now. Now it's just about the football there. I'm sure there's some people out there, but if you're still like this is Indiana. They can't be doing this at this point. Then you're just a fucking moron because they're going out there and the brands that they're stacking up, Oregon's football brand is pretty solid. Everybody loves Dan Lanning. Even though he gets reamed in the playoffs, it seems like it's a, it's an annual occurrence now. So I mean, for me, if you're still holding on to the Indiana can't possibly be doing this thing, then you're not really analyzing and taking in the sport as it exists in this present moment. What I'm looking at right now is, you know, Miami's pass rush against Ole Miss was a little bit more muted than it than it had been in past games. They were able to get some stuff done late. But if in fact they're, they took.

[Tate]

Bane out of the game.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, yeah, they, if in fact they have that type of performance and do they get the same thing that they get from Carson Beck? We can say whatever you want about Carson Beck, but he made a lot of plays and critical moments in that game. Does my, can Miami beat this team? Can anyone? And right now it just doesn't look like that's the case.

[Tate]

Yeah, let's talk about that game and we'll get back to the reactions in real time. But first fact for you guys, Hurricanes are the first team to play a national championship game in its home stadium since the BCS CFP era began back in 1998. They're also the first double digit seed to make the CFP national championship game. Obviously a very doubted team. A team that was scrutinized quite a bit. And in this game they faced ultimate, you know, sort of back against the wall moment there when Chambliss goes down and scores the touchdown against the two point conversion. I think if you polled America and said is this game over? They would probably have said yes. This feels like Miami gets a field goal, goes to overtime. Trinidad Chambas wins this game in ot. But somehow Carson Beck becomes the hero of his own story and the redemption arc is real at this point and he ends up running in a touchdown there late in that game with about 18 seconds to play. Did you learn a little bit about Miami and do you believe more in sort of who they are as a group now that you've seen them backs against the wall, have that type of moment?

[Van Lathan]

VAN yeah. What I learned is that their culture is strong. Them believe they did not go away. Any lesser of a team would have said, you know what this is the offense hadn't been explosive. Think about going on a two minute drive in that situation and getting the touchdown. Did you think that Miami had that in them? No, but they believe.

[Tate]

So many lead changes late.

[Joel]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

So many lead changes. Like, we were at the. Last night. Was the. Like a. It was a Spotify Golden Globes party.

[Joel]

Damn. For real?

[Van Lathan]

So I was.

[Joel]

Was it. Was it Bill's house? Bill.

[Van Lathan]

No, it wasn't at Bill's house. It was at a. It was on the Formosa lot.

[Joel]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

It was on a lot in West Hollywood. And so we were there. Everybody was there. Everybody was out last night. The Bill Maher was there. John Legend, Chaka Khan performed.

[Joel]

Whoa. For real?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. You know who else was there? The girl from Marty supreme was there. The girl. What's her name? With the glasses. She played Marty Supreme's girlfriend in the movie Odessa. Joel.

[Tate]

Maybe Joel should pronounce the last name.

[Joel]

I haven't seen that movie. What is. Is Timothy Chalamet in that movie?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, he's the lead right there. He's the.

[Tate]

He is Marty.

[Joel]

Yeah, I've heard.

[Van Lathan]

I know that a lot of people were in the house. Right. I saw the singer, Mario, Let me love you. But you know what we were doing?

[Tate]

Oh, that's a banger.

[Joel]

That's what's up.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. As a ringer crew. We were watching the game. Quinta Brunson from Abbott elementary walks right by and we know what we're doing. We were looking at the game because the game got so crazy towards the end of the game that it was. It was. Everybody was transfixed. We were on our phones watching the game as a ringer crew. We held it down last night.

[Tate]

Can you.

[Joel]

Can you get. I mean, I work at Spotify. Was there an email about this or anything? I. I didn't know.

[Tate]

It's a who's who thing, Joel. I wasn't there.

[Joel]

Don't worry, okay?

[Van Lathan]

Oh, Tate, that is true. You weren't. Why didn't you go?

[Joel]

Dang.

[Tate]

I don't know about it. Nobody told me about it.

[Joel]

Damn. I mean, of course you get to go because Van. Bill Simmons, Lathan.

[Tate]

Yeah. I used to be in the inner circle, Joel. I've gotten cut out. It's okay.

[Joel]

Oh, man.

[Van Lathan]

Hold on for a second.

[Joel]

Is there.

[Van Lathan]

Is there something we need to. That we need to know about what happened?

[Tate]

No. No, I didn't know about it. You're telling me about it. I'm like, that would have been a great time. I could have talked to all these people.

[Joel]

Give me some More people who. You know, it's like the. The party where they talk about when Biggie got killed outside the Peterson Automotive Museum. And they'll be like, yo, there that night. Aaliyah was there.

[Tate]

Yeah. Like Marlon Wayans.

[Joel]

Yeah, Marlon Wayans was here. Peabo Bryson, you know all the Winans. You know all that. And that's what you. That's the list you ran off on us, man. It's more walk by us.

[Van Lathan]

She was. And she was there. She was there. But you know what, though? We were watching the game. Cause that's what we do. We were watching the game, and the game got crazy. Yeah. And when Carson Beck scored at the end, I thought I had a thought that I haven't thought about any team in a while. Is Miami a team of destiny?

[Joel]

Oh, I love. It is.

[Tate]

It feels right.

[Van Lathan]

One thing. Is Miami. Are the Miami Hurricanes a team of destiny? I can't think of the last team of destiny that has existed, but are they a team of destiny?

[Joel]

It could have been tcu. It could have been tcu. Well, that's. I mean, that's kind of what this reminds me of, actually. A team that kind of.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, no, it doesn't.

[Tate]

It's like you can't spell you without the you championship.

[Joel]

It's like, they're good team, but they want a great team. And they played sloppy, got away with it, and then they played a bonafide powerhouse in the championship game and kind of got exposed. And I. None of this. That you do with Miami, like, you can't afford to have. You can't drop those interceptions. Like, you know, you can't drop four interceptions if Mendoza.

[Tate]

You can't.

[Joel]

I mean, that penalty when they hit Kiwan Lacey, that extended. They extended the drive for Ole Miss down there. They got that. The ultimate. The go ahead touchdown for them. It was just such a dumb penalty, man. It was like homeboy, like, took. Leapt off his feet just so he could fire his helmet into old boy's shoulder. It was just this kind of stupid shit. I'm just like, man, y' all are dumb. You know, y'.

[Van Lathan]

All.

[Joel]

They're so. They were a lot better team than Ole Miss, but they kept fucking up and playing poorly. And I'm like, y' all gonna have to get that out of y' all system, man. And maybe hopefully for the sake of Amer, the American viewing public, they got it all out of the system so we can have a good game on January 19th. But I don't. You know, I mean, if they. If they do win they damn sure team of destiny. But right now, they've looked like TCU 2022 to me.

[Tate]

I did say this to Van before we started the show. I was like, the one thing that worries me about Miami is that they always shoot themselves in the foot, you know, figuratively. And I do feel like there's a situation where Indiana thrives off that. Like, if you make mistakes against Indiana, as we've seen against Oregon, right, Three turnovers in the first half. They score a touchdown on all three of the turnovers, and that's the difference in the game. It would be a 14, 7, theoretically, halftime score if they don't give the ball up three times, and instead it's 35 to 7 at halftime. If Miami does that, they're going to be in big trouble. But I do want to give some credit to Keelan Marion, who. That was my one big reaction. I know that everybody after the game was talking about Malachi, Tony, which that was an incredible touchdown scamper that he had there with a nice, you know, shush to the rest of the country talking about Miami. But Marion was incredible. I mean, not only did he have the touchdown, but he had just critical catches and critical plays the entire time in this game for the offense. So you thought it was going to be the last game it was CJ Daniels, this game it was Keelan. Marion Fletcher has had some real nice help with Brown in the backfield with him. So it's like it's not the usual suspects with Miami. Right. There's a lot of different guys that are still stepping up for this team, which gives you even more reason to believe in what you're saying, Van, which is a team of destiny.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. They were able to take C.J. daniels out of the game. And when they need big plays, they still made them. And they got enough from the running game to be able to be dynamic in what they were calling. Look, it seems as if there's an energy, crystal ball, crystal Christ to ball, whatever you want to call him. He doesn't want to say that. The U is back. And we've talked about this before.

[Tate]

I said svp.

[Van Lathan]

Don't ask me that question. Don't ask me that question. It's one thing when Miami is winning games, the U is back. It's another thing when Miami is getting recruiting classes, the U is back. But the feeling is what people have been talking about, the feeling that Miami football used to give you, that feeling of culture sizzle, that feeling of excitement. You know, you have the fraternity of Miami football players that are proud to be on the sidelines of the games again. You see in Michael Irvin, I got.

[Tate]

Andre Johnson, Cam Ward, Ray Lewis.

[Van Lathan]

Ray Lewis is walking on the sidelines. He's leaving a blood trail behind him.

[Tate]

Wow.

[Van Lathan]

It's like, I'm telling you guys right now, the U is actually back.

[Joel]

That's crazy.

[Van Lathan]

They back for real.

[Joel]

That's crazy.

[Van Lathan]

You is back.

[Joel]

That's some.

[Van Lathan]

The you is back.

[Joel]

That's crazy.

[Tate]

I don't think. I don't think you can ever be back.

[Joel]

Every time the. You lost when Miami was the U, I was surprised. I was like, man, it's hard to, you know, if, if, if Miami played poorly, they could still dominate you. And very rarely did you see them play poorly. They were just a, well, world machine. They had dynamic athletes, they made big plays, they were smothering and everything lost.

[Van Lathan]

In the national championship game.

[Joel]

Right, but that's what I'm saying. But I was surprised.

[Van Lathan]

So it doesn't matter that, like, they won a last game. They lost in the national champ.

[Joel]

When. But nobody looks at this Miami team and says that that is a great team. Like they may. They may be a champion, but they're not a great team. And the U does not lose to smu, bro. The. The U does not lose to Louisville. They don't have a quarterback like Carson Beck that you did like that. I'm sorry, Mark Fletcher. Very good. Right? This, I mean, let's just think about it. Would you rather. Well, I don't know. I guess. Would you rather have Ken Dorsey? Would you rather have Carson back?

[Tate]

Carson back?

[Joel]

Man, oh, man, you're muted, man.

[Tate]

They muted you.

[Joel]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Carson Beck. But that's okay. Ken Dorsey was. Was a good college quarterback. He really was. Right.

[Tate]

Remember Cam Newton would call him a game manager.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, Game as. You remember, the other guy that they had, the black guy that they had.

[Joel]

Uncle Luke called him the Tom Ryan Kelly. Is that right?

[Van Lathan]

Hell no. The guy that came. Oh, Jakor Harris. Remember Jak.

[Tate]

Oh, yeah, no, J. Harris was hilarious.

[Joel]

Yeah.

[Tate]

He said that he was gonna wear a pink Gucci suit to the Heisman ceremony. That was five games into the season. Then he threw five interceptions at Carolina.

[Joel]

Man, poor.

[Van Lathan]

He was. Because he was the man for those five games. He was going crazy and then at the. Then he just fell off. I haven't heard him since. Anyway.

[Joel]

No, he's a fireman down there.

[Van Lathan]

He's a fireman. I actually, actually know that. He actually knew he was a fireman for. Okay, anyway, what were you gonna say?

[Joel]

Oh, so Is this some TMZ you can't talk about?

[Van Lathan]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Tmz. Like, I just. Somebody told me it was a fireman, somebody's friends with his girl and all of that stuff like that.

[Joel]

Okay.

[Tate]

Shout out to Jakori Harris.

[Joel]

Shout out to Jacor Harris.

[Van Lathan]

You're the bull. The you being back, you feel like the you being back means that they have to be completely dominant like they were in the early 2000s. You do? That's what you feel?

[Joel]

Yeah, I feel like. I feel like if that's the case.

[Tate]

Then they're never coming.

[Van Lathan]

No one, no one will ever.

[Joel]

There's nothing wrong.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, Godamn, what's wrong with that?

[Joel]

I mean.

[Tate]

Well, that's what Crystal Ball said.

[Joel]

They'll never be back. That, that, that those were one a team, one of a kind teams that had 17 people drafted off those teams like they were. They were like, I think over, like 50 players on that roster made the NFL. That was a powerhouse. We're talking about that among the great teams of all time. And all those teams that got built up along that, they may have lost a game or two, but again, it was a surprise, but the talent was overwhelming. This is not that Miami, this Miami team is going to be an underdog when they play against Indiana. And let me just. I'm going to just go ahead and say it because if I get it wrong, nobody gives a shit, but Indiana going to beat their ass. Okay, Indiana, go beat Miami's ass, man.

[Tate]

I think it's good that you're saying that because that means we're gonna have a better game, you know? Yeah, we need, we need to get as much of that going out there just so we have a good championship game. Because tonight it felt like everyone's like, ah, it's hard to beat Oregon twice, all this sort of stuff. And I'm like, Indiana looks like the better team and they've gotten better since the last time they played Oregon. And obviously we're seeing what's happening right now. Still 42 to 15. Signetti still not smiling as we're watching this game live. But I'm with you, Joel. I mean, Indiana definitely looks like the better team, but I still feel like Miami, that there is a little Cinderella kind of, to this team. And we've never seen a tendency, by the way, in the national championship game in college basketball. They said they didn't want Cinderellas in college football. Well, they got one with Miami.

[Joel]

Yeah, I mean, I think we're all going to feel that way until, you know, the game doesn't feel that competitive anymore. And I don't know why I'm leaning into this, because this is probably stronger than I really feel. And keep in mind, on the bracket, I have online somewhere, I have Oregon in the national championship game, but.

[Van Lathan]

Me too.

[Joel]

Yeah, but I. The way. The way that Miami played, it didn't inspire within me the belief that they were a great team. I was like, oh, yeah, they've had some good breaks. They're, like Vance said, they're very resilient. They overcome. Because in that final drive when Trinidad Chambers was moving down the field, I was like, man, they're having all these penalties, they're losing players, one of their corners, and ain't gonna be able to play until the second half of the championship game.

[Tate]

That was a bad targeting call, a bad target.

[Joel]

Please change.

[Tate]

They should overturn that, right? Please.

[Joel]

Yeah, it's way too. But I mean, it just. I was like, man, they really. Things are really going against them. This is how a team loses. And they rallied from that.

[Tate]

Great.

[Joel]

But I just don't. I don't know, man. Indiana, you go, you gotta. You can't fuck up, man. You've got to be on your game. You got to play. You got to have your best day to beat this team. And Miami just does too many things that I. They don't do enough things well to overcome that, I think.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Look, they're up against a bus saw. A crimson and cream bus saw. You know, Indiana and the Kappa have. The cappas have the same colors as, you know that. The Capitals, I think, were founded in Indiana. Did you know that?

[Joel]

They were.

[Van Lathan]

Did you. Did you. Did you pledge a different fraternity? Were you into that?

[Joel]

No, I didn't know. Fraternity, bro. Did you. You didn't, did you?

[Van Lathan]

I didn't either. Why? Why. Why didn't you do it, though? Like you said, it seems like you. You're against it.

[Joel]

No, look, because I know. I know about. I know about your man. I know about. I watch. I watch Higher learning.

[Van Lathan]

What you know about. What you mean?

[Joel]

Yeah, I mean, I just know you gotta got beef with the. The Divine Nine.

[Van Lathan]

Don't have beef with him. I don't know. I don't have beef with him. What I'm trying to say is, like, I know about him.

[Tate]

Barkley's got beef with him.

[Van Lathan]

Rachel is a Delta. Shout out to Rachel. Lindsay, Delta. And. And she doesn't like the fact that I know about. I was just wondering if you were pledged one of those. You look like you could be like a Brother Sigma.

[Joel]

I don't want to hear that hat. Makes you look like a Sigma, though. That's right. That's a Sigma hat. Yes. That's.

[Van Lathan]

That's the. That was that. Now this has be worrying about the other guy. You do kind of have a little. You used to go to the parties and see the. Tate would be like, look at those guys. Those guys are cool.

[Tate]

That ain't me.

[Joel]

But no, I mean, I just. I didn't pledge because I just, you know, I'm a. I'm a. I'm fundamentally a loner. I'm a. I'm a raises only child, you know, So I don't. I don't believe in pledging. And. Yeah, I think they would have beat my ass, too, to be honest.

[Tate]

Yeah, you don't want to pledge, I can tell you that.

[Van Lathan]

Are you in the fraternity?

[Tate]

I was.

[Joel]

Yeah.

[Tate]

You don't want to do that.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, which one?

[Tate]

Kappa Sig.

[Van Lathan]

Kappa Sig. Let's see.

[Joel]

Wait.

[Tate]

Wipe that from the record.

[Van Lathan]

Kappa Sigma. That's the fraternity. Kappa social fraternity. Founded. Founded University of Virginia in 1869.

[Joel]

Oh, okay. You got to really look up for the more recent events and see all discriminatory incidents. Here we go.

[Van Lathan]

Hey. What? What?

[Tate]

That's why I don't tell. I. You know, I. I was.

[Van Lathan]

Which.

[Joel]

Okay, so I wasn't an active member, you know, but you were.

[Van Lathan]

You did that.

[Billy]

You.

[Van Lathan]

You.

[Joel]

You are backpedaling so fat. You d' Angelo Pons tonight. Right now.

[Van Lathan]

I'm just saying. You know what? In 2009, the chapter hosted a Cowboys and Indians themed party where, according to photographs and social media, some members dress like fake Native Americans and wore red face. And they pose for photographs which Google simulated at Carolina.

[Tate]

I don't.

[Van Lathan]

Knobs. This is Kappa Sig. This is your.

[Tate]

Yeah, but see, like, every. Every chapter is different, you know?

[Joel]

Hold on, man. What's the name of the defensive coordinator for the Ravens?

[Tate]

For the Ravens.

[Joel]

Yeah, just. What's his name?

[Tate]

Are you trying to. Are you trying to do. Are you trying to do, like.

[Joel]

No, I just need to know pronunciation. Is it Wink Martindale?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, Wink Martindale. Yeah, Wink Martindale.

[Joel]

Okay, man, I forgot. Did y' all know that that was a Wink Martindale, the TV game show?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, that's. Wink Martindale was the host of a. Of TV shows back in the day. This other guy Martindale is called Wink Martindale because they're. They're.

[Tate]

It's a reference.

[Van Lathan]

It's a reference to that Wink Martindale.

[Joel]

Right, right.

[Tate]

Like that was his nickname because of that.

[Joel]

Right? Yeah. Well, he was a Kappa C Shout out. So is Ted Turner. Jimmy Buffett.

[Tate]

Oh, yeah, I knew.

[Joel]

Sam Donaldson. Ed Murrow.

[Tate]

I didn't. Yeah, I think there's a bad one in there. I hope you don't get to it.

[Van Lathan]

All right, let's see.

[Joel]

Oh, who am I not supposed to be trying to find here?

[Van Lathan]

Military.

[Joel]

Okay, hold on. U.S. senate.

[Tate]

I'll tell you guys this. Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones is a cab.

[Joel]

Oh, no, that's kind of. I mean, that. Actually, I respect that. I mean, Jerry Jones seemed like a fun man, to be honest.

[Tate]

He was a Gavin, Arkansas.

[Joel]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Like that type of Joe.

[Joel]

No, I mean, I think Jerry Jones is cool. I just. There's something. I respect the Jerry Jones.

[Tate]

Billy's jumping in. Billy's, like, why are we not talking about you?

[Billy]

Forget about the high school Jerry Jones picture.

[Joel]

I mean, I'm a whole. I'm a whole 1950s against a. A. A teenage white boy, man. Come on, dog. What was I supposed to do? He wasn't there when he was 44, 45.

[Van Lathan]

This.

[Joel]

Look, man, am I supposed to not like every racist for a person I think is.

[Van Lathan]

I like Joe.

[Joel]

Okay, let's do it right now.

[Billy]

Ask that question again.

[Van Lathan]

Everybody.

[Tate]

I'm so glad Joe could take it as the game.

[Van Lathan]

The Duke is right. Mendoza is still in the game. Everybody go around the. What's. Who's your favorite racist? I swear to God, Everybody.

[Joel]

Yeah. Oh.

[Van Lathan]

Who's your favorite every. Like, man?

[Joel]

Ric Flair.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Racist.

[Tate]

Yeah.

[Billy]

Hulk Hogan's a racist, right? Is Ric Flair racist, too?

[Van Lathan]

I don't think Ric Flair races, man.

[Billy]

He's from North Carolina, which helps that.

[Tate]

He'S not a racist.

[Joel]

Yeah, it helps.

[Van Lathan]

I think y' all being. Ric Flair was in the. Ric Flair.

[Tate]

He did the Migos.

[Billy]

Yeah, he did.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. I don't think Ric Flair races. I don't think that's right. That what y' all doing to. To.

[Joel]

Okay. I feel like there was an incident with him, but anyway. But not. But Jerry Jones, man. And also, I've come. You know, I covered the Cowboys at an early time in my life, so I spent a lot of time around that. That franchise. And I kind of understand why it's a thing, you know? And I just. Man, what's. I was in Dallas at a Mexican restaurant, man, late. And I'm getting ready to leave. I was. I was last person in there, and Jerry Jones pulls up with a young lady who I assume was his niece. You know what I mean? So, yeah, I Was like, Jerry Jones, man. I was like, damn, bro. He be getting. He just. He parties hard.

[Tate]

Did he look at you and say, you know, I'm a G?

[Joel]

Yeah, basically.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, hey, man, Andrew Jones took a knee.

[Joel]

Took a knee.

[Tate]

He did take a knee, man. Remember that?

[Van Lathan]

Ric Flair.

[Tate]

Touchdown Indiana, by the way.

[Van Lathan]

Touchdown Indiana. This over, man. Take one, take out, man.

[Tate]

Get him out of here.

[Van Lathan]

I don't know how I didn't know this, but I think Ric Flair might be a racist, man.

[Joel]

I told you.

[Van Lathan]

Former WWE WCW manager and general manager Teddy Long has stated in multiple interviews, including on the Hannibal TV show, that Ric Flair and others use the nword. Damn, bro.

[Joel]

Oh, man. Yeah, I knew. Yeah, I told you, man.

[Billy]

How old is he? Because Joel's forgiving.

[Tate]

Yeah, Joel.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Tate]

What was he, a teenager?

[Joel]

I don't. I don't have a huge issue with Ric Flair. I mean, he's your favorite racist.

[Billy]

You told me.

[Tate]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joel]

Well, him with Jerry Jones.

[Van Lathan]

Him and Jerry Jones. I. I. With Ric Flair, probably even still, bro, I'm gonna be real with you, man. Tate, who's your favorite racist?

[Tate]

I think Chipper Jones.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, Chipper Jones is a racist.

[Joel]

Oh, yeah. Yeah, man. You thought Chipper Jones.

[Van Lathan]

Hold on for a second, bro.

[Tate]

I thought if I said fair because.

[Joel]

You'Re a fraternity already.

[Tate]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Races. What are y' all talking about?

[Joel]

Yeah, man, Chipper Jones has had some incidents, man.

[Tate]

Yeah, I mean, I like. Yeah, I mean, I love.

[Joel]

But he. But he was on the right side of something. Very.

[Tate]

Well, he's a good ball player. You know what I mean? Like, that's. That's.

[Van Lathan]

I don't know. Chipper. The only thing that Chipper Jones did wrong that comes up right here. Lamar posted a joke on Twitter suggesting using alligators in the Rio Grande to stop illegal immigration. What's going on?

[Joel]

Oh, man, it's not good. Wow. That's crazy. Rick Barry. Kappa Sig, man. Raleigh Massimino.

[Tate]

Oh, that's my guy.

[Joel]

Yeah, man. This is a long.

[Tate]

And by the way, Raleigh Massimino should be in the hall of Fame. It's. It's egregious.

[Joel]

He's not hall of Fame.

[Tate]

No.

[Joel]

Dang.

[Tate]

It's ridiculous. There's, like. There's, like, a weird. I don't know why they're trying to, like, hold him out of the hall of Fame. I don't know what's going on, but they got to get that fixed. One last thing while we're trying to figure out, you know, we're. We're finding out facts right now. Do you guys know what a Hoosier is? You know, we figured out the Rebels, the Tar Heels.

[Joel]

Oh, no. But it's a Hoosier.

[Van Lathan]

What is it?

[Tate]

No. Do you guys know?

[Van Lathan]

No, I have no clue.

[Tate]

I have no clue either. And then I. And then I did some research. Nobody knows, really. It's like a. It's like a mystery. Like, nobody knows what a Hoosier is. Wow. Like, it's been basically, like the. There's been like, a bunch of mythology, folklore about what a Hoosier is, and it's basically now interpreted, obviously, as an Indiana native. Right. But, like, nobody knows where it came from, but, like, they think it came from. Like, it was such garbled language. They're saying, who's here? Because, like, there was, like, nobody in the backwoods or whatever, and they turned into Hoosier. And then. And then it became Hoosiers, man.

[Joel]

These are. These are two interesting theories. One thinks it's connected to a Methodist minister who was born a slave in North Carolina. Reverend Harry Hosier looks like. And then Jorge Santander Serrano, a PhD student from Indiana University, suggested it might come from the French words for redness or red faced, like redneck.

[Van Lathan]

Kind of interesting. I. I tell you, I'm gonna be honest with y', all, man. I don't give a. I just.

[Tate]

I thought that was fascinating, that note.

[Joel]

Because it did go on a little too long. It did go.

[Van Lathan]

It is fascinating. It is fascinating that no one knows. But when I tried to think about if I care about what it meant.

[Joel]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I'll be real with you. I can't say that I care, man. I. I care about what's happening in Oregon right now. And I gotta ask y' all a question. Yeah.

[Joel]

Okay. Let's get back to the game.

[Van Lathan]

Is Dan landing a fraud, man?

[Joel]

What?

[Van Lathan]

Is Dan landing a fraud? I'm asking.

[Tate]

It's a classic. Can you win the big one? Because this was a. This was a game where, I mean, by all accounts, like, this was in their favor to at least be competitive in this game outside of the distractions of not having a running back. You know, running backs going to the portal, but again, one of their running backs in the portals playing in this game, both coordinators leaving. But I thought this would be a close game. And I thought, honestly, like, there was a little bit of me that was thinking maybe Oregon gets a get back game, but this isn't even been close. Which, you know, leads you down the path, right? You're walking down the yellow brick road of he might be A fraud.

[Joel]

Well, I, I, my hope is that Cal and Kentucky get something out of, you know, the work that Stein and, and, and Lupo have been doing this week. Because I just, you know, again, I thought that was going to be very tough for them. So it's, it's just in a very difficult situation. The postseason is always weird. It's a one game sample and things are never the same as they were. You're not playing under the conditions you were in regular season. In the regular season, your coordinators are locked in. You don't have as many injuries. You're more, you're closer to peak health than you're going to be at the end of the season. And so, I mean, I guess, you know, you would like Oregon to have played better and you know, did a better showing tonight. I don't think he's a fraud, but I do think that, you know, I just think it's, even if he is, nothing gonna happen to him. I mean, Oregon can't do better than this.

[Van Lathan]

Nobody's gonna have, Nothing's gonna happen to him. You're right. Right. This is two years in a row where he played a team in the regular season.

[Joel]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

And played him close. Actually beat Ohio State in the regular season.

[Joel]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Had a rematch with that team in the playoffs and got his doors blown off.

[Joel]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Which tells me that the staffs on the other side of the ball game planned, reacted and initiated kinetic energy into their teams following the first matchup. Better than Dan Lanning. Dan Lanning give you an example. A counterexample. LSU plays. We've talked about this game before. LSU plays Alabama at Alabama. The game is what, 9 to 6? Yeah. The game ends up being, we play him again, it's like 21 nothing. They don't get a ton of touchdowns. But we can't do anything because there was a superior staff on the other side of the ball.

[Tate]

Less Miles was shook. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

That, that watch. Trent Richardson went off, man, like it was crazy. Right. We couldn't do anything. But my point about that, this is two years in a row this has happened to Dan Lanny and this is embarrassing. And this is on the big stage.

[Joel]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

These are not regular season tucked games, only college football players. You got some casuals in here that are looking at this because it's the only game on right now. And it looks bad. It looks bad. And it also looks bad in context when you look at the fact that there's probably not much talent difference between these two teams. It just seems to be culture and Coaching difference.

[Tate]

Well, Morgan has way more talent by. By paper, you know.

[Joel]

Yeah, I think Oregon has. We know ringer put out. The ringer put out. Our boy Danny Kelly put out a mock draft, I think, this week, I think, for the first 22 players he had drafted. Oregon. Oregon Ducks. So, yeah, I mean, they've got a lot of time.

[Tate]

Moore, Kenyon, Sadiq. Right.

[Joel]

Uhhuh. I just think. But they're. They're also, you know, they're hurt. They're not the same as they were. The running game isn't the same. And I.

[Tate]

But they look bad against Texas Tech. They look bad against AMU in the second half. Right. So, I mean, they basically play one good half in the cfp.

[Joel]

Okay, that's exactly the thing, Tate. And I guess people could say, well, why did y' all put them in the championship on your bracket? That went out online. Well, they made us do that, and I did it in, like three minutes because I forgot to turn it in. But that's not the point. The point is, is that Oregon has not looked good pretty much all year. Like, in any game. They've never looked like what everybody thought they were going to look like. Like, they barely beat Iowa. They got dominated at home by Indiana, team that didn't play well. Like, it's very few times they shouldn't.

[Tate]

Have be Penn State. Right? At Penn State.

[Joel]

Yeah. Like, they've not been what everybody thought they were going to be. They've never played like the team that everybody has kind of expected them to be. And here they are right here. Like, you know, the great thing about Indiana is that somehow they got better. Like, I don't at the end of the year, like, this is the best that they've ever played in. Oregon never got to it. It never reached its ceiling. I never, never seen them. Yeah.

[Tate]

But.

[Van Lathan]

But is that you're indicting the coaching. Yeah, like you're indicting the coaching. By the way, coming into this season. Coming into this season, there were people that thought that. There were a lot of. A lot of questions for Oregon.

[Tate]

What they supposed to be a rebuilding year.

[Van Lathan]

Supposed to be kind of a rebuilding, find your footing type of year. Then they get there and they play and they have the talent. And then, Joel, what you're saying is they never got better or hit their stride. That is a clear indictment of the staff, man.

[Joel]

Yeah, I, you know, I actually kind of forgot that that was originally where we started, was whether or not he was a fraud. I still don't think that that makes him a Fraud. But I can see your point that.

[Tate]

People fraud is like, a little too far, but it is trending in that direction, I guess. I, I will give an example of, like, the opposite of that. Mendoza first game looks terrible. He has like a Signetti conversation where Signetti is like, we need to work on your footwork. We need to make sure you get these back shoulder throws. Timing, right? Because that's the biggest part of our offense. The reason I brought you here. Game three, they play Illinois. He's throwing back shoulder throws on time. They dominate that game. And then it's just like a, a rocket takes off and he's the Heisman Trophy winner. Right? That's coaching. That's good coaching.

[Joel]

Yeah, man. No, there. I mean, obviously Indiana has done something and I, I. And this goes back to something I thought earlier in the year, man, Kurt Signetti gonna get a lot of people fired, man. He really is. Because people are going to look at, like, how well his team plays and how good they are. And, like, it's just. They lost one of the very best pass rushers in the country. I think Stephen Daley was, like, second in the country in quarterback pressures this year, and they lost him. They have not had him since the Big Ten championship. And can you tell that Would you know that they had lost one of the best defenders in the country? No. And, but, but where.

[Van Lathan]

Look at them whooping shit. That's a hole. Are they going to call holding in college football ever again in life? Like, ever again in life? Are they going to make a holding call? That's a hold. Anyway. You're right. Can I say something?

[Joel]

Oh, yeah, please.

[Van Lathan]

I'm not a Miami homer, but the lack of holding calls last night against.

[Tate]

Miami, it was egregious.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, okay. Yeah, it was, it was getting on my nerves. Are they going to call Holden? Look, you guys, I'm going back to this fraud thing. I don't know why y' all on this dick. The reality is. The reality is this. Like, like, like, like a fraud just means that. Is Dan Landing the coach that everybody says that Dan Landing is? Yeah. He went out there when it was Deion Sanders and them. Deion Sanders, a guy we haven't talked.

[Tate]

About, man, in a year.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, okay. Talked about a lot of. To them. Ran them on tv. Oh, my God. They all about clicks. We all about this. Did it to sc. He kind of a chicken hawk. He kind of somebody that goes and like, up people that are not on the level that he is and gets the social media clicks and gets all that I'm sure Dan Lennon is a nice guy, but he's up against somebody else with the muscle. They get pushed around. And when I say fraud, I mean, is the way that Dan Lanning is regarded on the national coaching stage on par with the performance of his team in these moments? How the could you say that, man?

[Tate]

Bro.

[Joel]

I mean, they've been. They've made the playoffs two years in a row and, God, they're here in a row. I mean, but dog, like, it is hard to get to the playoffs. Like Tech, Texas was preseason number one. Did not get there. Georgia's not here right now. Alabama, they've been here once and they got embarrassed when they got here. It is hard to get to the playoffs. How many teams made the playoffs? Twice. Who have any coaches who made it twice? Signetti. I mean, this expanded 12 team playoff.

[Van Lathan]

Expanded playoff.

[Joel]

Yeah, yeah. Signetti.

[Tate]

Ryan Day.

[Joel]

Ryan Day. Who else? That's it.

[Tate]

Yeah. Small group.

[Joel]

It's a small. It's very hard to do this. The season is so much.

[Tate]

I mean, Kirby, obviously.

[Van Lathan]

Kirby.

[Joel]

And they're not here, you know, and so that's what I'm just saying. Again, I. I can understand, but you.

[Van Lathan]

But you know what, you're doing the expanded playoff thing, but you're also. That's fine. But there. There are coaches that made the playoff. Like Sark made it when it was four games and then came back when it was 12. It was harder to make it when it was four. So using the expanded playoff as sort of the barometer of. I can make an argument that if this was a 14 playoff, that Oregon wouldn't have made it either year. So, like, what. So I get what you're saying, but I don't know if being one of the 12 teams that makes the playoff, I know that's very important to give you a shot at winning national championship, but I think how you perform when you get there is more important to me than getting there. And they have not looked good in the playoff period.

[Joel]

That is lsu. That is an LSU thing. I could. Because, you know, because y' all don't really go to the championship game that often or whatever. Like, y' all are really an 8 and 4 program on the whole 8 and 4 to 9 and 3 program. But when y' all are great, y' all are great. Like, no doubt. And that is a very LSU opinion to have. I'm saying I would just rather, you.

[Van Lathan]

Know, what, you know, whatever. You know, what, you know.

[Joel]

Still in.

[Tate]

The game, by the way.

[Joel]

I got you. I got you. Let it go. So I don't remember what my point was, so. Whatever, Duke.

[Tate]

Those are my favorite points.

[Joel]

Don't come back.

[Tate]

Don't come back.

[Joel]

Yeah.

[Tate]

Billy. Billy, we need you.

[Van Lathan]

What are we gonna do about this?

[Billy]

What's like. Okay, do you have your water today? Like, what's going on?

[Joel]

Yeah, I told y', all I got my water. Well, I mean, I got. I got sidetracked by the van thing. What were we talking about right before that? Since you hear.

[Tate]

We're talking about Dan Lanning. Indiana just scored again with Mendoza, 55 to 50.

[Van Lathan]

Wow. It's 55.

[Tate]

This is unbelievable.

[Van Lathan]

It's going crazy.

[Joel]

Yeah, man.

[Tate]

He's actually smiling.

[Joel]

Yeah.

[Tate]

It's like the point of this.

[Joel]

Yeah, go away, Billy. Thanks. The point of this is.

[Tate]

Billy, you're welcome back anytime.

[Van Lathan]

Anytime. I come back.

[Joel]

It's hard to be here. And again, I would rather have Lanning than. Pretty much. I wouldn't rather have them than Signetti. I don't know. Would I rather have him? A Kirby Smart? I don't know. I. Who knows? Like, I could go either way.

[Van Lathan]

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Tate]

You'd rather have Landing than Kirby Smart? Is that what you know?

[Joel]

I'm just saying, like, what the Are you talking. I would not be. I would not be hurt if I had Dan Landing a curse. I mean, I think Joe. Won the toughest conference in the country last year and went undefeated while doing.

[Van Lathan]

Are you telling me right now, Joe, seriously, I'm gonna ask you one question. Freeze. Get ready to clip this, Joe, Would you rather have.

[Joel]

You can call your clips on this show.

[Van Lathan]

I call your clips.

[Joel]

Call your clips free.

[Van Lathan]

Let's get ready to clip this. Joel, would you rather have Dan Laning or Kirby Smart as your head coach?

[Joel]

I probably would rather have Kirby Smart, but I don't. I mean, was undefeated in one last year. I mean, he. And again, his team is in the playoffs, right? Kirby Smart probably was hanging out somewhere on St. Simon's island or whatever.

[Tate]

Yeah.

[Joel]

But Kirby.

[Tate]

Kirby's team, you know, they. They were a good team, but they were a rebuilding year. I mean, they're kind of the same.

[Billy]

Multiple national championships. This is insane.

[Joel]

How many? Four years ago? What are you talking about?

[Billy]

It's more recent than the zero Dan.

[Joel]

Lanning has again right now. Dan Landing, you would are. You could say that Dan Landing gives you a better chance to get your championship game than Kirby Smart right now. Because Kirby Smart, he's not done it in this era yet, bro.

[Van Lathan]

And Dan Lanning hasn't done it either.

[Joel]

He's right here in the playoffs. What are you talking about?

[Tate]

Well, let's. Let's give Joe credit. Dan lanning does have 5 minutes and 13 seconds and he's down 56 to.

[Billy]

Make up 41 points.

[Joel]

Five years.

[Tate]

It's not over.

[Joel]

Kirby Smart won a championship when, like, Nick Saban was still coaching, bro. Like, I mean, that's. How long ago this is? This is what, four or five years ago. How far? There's been a cycle of kids that have gone out of school. School since.

[Van Lathan]

How far did Georgia get last year?

[Billy]

Not Carson back.

[Joel]

They got their ass kicked in the playoffs last year.

[Van Lathan]

Right, but how far did they get?

[Joel]

They got to the playoffs. They made it.

[Van Lathan]

What round, though? What round was that?

[Joel]

Okay, okay, I see your point. Okay.

[Van Lathan]

I think it was. I think it might have been the semis actually that they made it to.

[Joel]

I don't know why we're arguing about this because, like. Okay, fine. I would rather have Kirby Smart than Dan Lanning. Okay. So Kirk Signetti. Kirby Smart. Who else?

[Van Lathan]

What? Who else would I rather have more.

[Joel]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Than Dan Lanny.

[Joel]

Yeah. I gave you Kurt Signetti.

[Tate]

Don't say Kiffin. Yeah, don't say.

[Joel]

Don't say. Don't embarrass yourself. Don't.

[Tate]

That might be worse.

[Joel]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Kiffin scene went for. Kiffin's team went further or they went the same place. Kiffin. Kiffin. Good old Kiff.

[Joel]

What about.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, why about this? What about Mario Cristobal? Would you rather have Mario Crystal Ball or Dan Lanning?

[Joel]

Nah.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, oh.

[Joel]

Crystal Ball's team is played. I mean, Crystal. Crystal Ball team could have very easily been left out of this. They made it and they perform well. But like, Miami fans were mad at him. We thought we.

[Tate]

That is a good question, though, because Oregon fans, if you ask him right now, would you rather have Cristobal or Dan Lanning? They probably would lean towards Cristobal.

[Joel]

Who would say that?

[Tate]

Oregon Fans.

[Joel]

No, their TVs work. They can see how Miami plays. They know that Miami 41.

[Van Lathan]

They just got housed like last year too.

[Joel]

What are you.

[Van Lathan]

Joel.

[Joel]

No way that Oregon. Crystal Ball has one win in the playoffs.

[Van Lathan]

They have one win in the playoffs. They beat Texas Tech earlier.

[Joel]

They were the.

[Van Lathan]

They've never played well in the playoffs. They've never played well. The last game where they beat Texas Tech. That. That was not a well played.

[Joel]

Okay, so. So Crystal Ball is a top five coach. He's bet we're taking a game against a very good team that obviously things got away from them. We're going to take that. And all of a sudden we're going to elevate Mario Cristobal over Dan Lanning as a coach. This is all we. I just, again, I think people read too much of the one game samples. I think Dan Lanning is a fine coach. I would much rather have him. You would rather have him than Lane Kiffin, you know that.

[Van Lathan]

No, I wouldn't. No, I wouldn't.

[Joel]

Yeah, you wouldn't. Yeah, you would. Yeah, you would. Yeah, you would. Yeah, you would.

[Billy]

Indiana's a 7 1/2 point favorite in the national championship game right now.

[Tate]

That's insane. That's crazy in Miami. Can we talk about that, Billy? Because you're obviously like boots on the ground in Miami. We got the U coming back to Hard Rock to play a home game for the national championship. We also get Columbus High School alum Fernando Mendoza, the Heisman Trophy winner, AKA Heisman.

[Joel]

Is that where you went, Billy? Then you go to Columbus?

[Billy]

You know I didn't do that.

[Tate]

He did not go to Columbus.

[Billy]

That's my rival.

[Tate]

That's his rival.

[Joel]

Oh, my bad.

[Van Lathan]

Country Day.

[Billy]

No, I did not go to Miami. Country Day.

[Van Lathan]

Didn't you say that?

[Billy]

I did not say that, no.

[Van Lathan]

Well, how did we get on Miami Country?

[Tate]

He was talking about feelings.

[Joel]

He's a Jesuit kid, like me.

[Billy]

Billy, you started talking about Gloria Estefan, and then you found where Gloria, Stefan's daughter, went to school, and then you started looking up notable.

[Tate]

Talk about that. Now that we're here, should we talk about.

[Joel]

We talk?

[Van Lathan]

Well, yeah, Billy. Billy. For some reason, Billy is a Cuban man from Miami and he has a beef with Gloria Estefan, the Miami Sound Machine. Like, how could that be? You. You said you.

[Tate]

I say. I always said it was Gloria Estefan, you know.

[Joel]

Which one is it, Estefan or Estefan?

[Van Lathan]

Which one is it, Billy?

[Billy]

Estefan.

[Van Lathan]

Estefan. Okay. Why don't you like the Miami Sound Machine? Like, What's. What's going on with.

[Billy]

I. I told you, they're fine. The Miami Sound Machine's fine. Stefan's fine. John Sakata is fine.

[Joel]

You more guy.

[Billy]

No, it's just like that was fine in 1980 years ago, you know?

[Van Lathan]

I know, but the music is timeless, though.

[Joel]

Yeah. What are you talking. What's the. I mean, what's the problem? I mean, yeah, they had. They were very influential and they had a moment and they got old. What's. What did they do wrong? Why don't you respect it?

[Billy]

It's that I don't respect it because.

[Joel]

Joe Montana was 40 years ago.

[Billy]

I think the conversation was like, what are we gonna do at the national championship? Or, like, who's, like, an artist or, like, represents Miami? And then it always ends up being Gloria Stefan. And it's kind of like, oh, you know, what's wrong with Trick Daddy? Like, what's wrong with DJ Khed? Like, what's wrong with Anybody want to die?

[Van Lathan]

Come see I. Who me t Double D. That's right. That's.

[Tate]

I think Trick Daddy would be the right answer. I think that would. That would be good. He does.

[Joel]

Let's go, man. So y' all don't. Y' all don't put on for Rick Ross like that, huh?

[Tate]

Nah, Rick Ross was a corrections officer.

[Joel]

That's fair. But, man, that's a hustler, dog, you know? Do what you gotta do.

[Van Lathan]

It's only Tate. Are you upholding the street code? Yeah.

[Joel]

You called Rick? He said he was a CEO, man.

[Billy]

Because I'm Officer Ricky.

[Tate]

Officer.

[Joel]

Oh, my God.

[Billy]

Tate said on next episode.

[Joel]

We know cigar music. One or two.

[Tate]

You know, I like some of the Maybach music, but, you know.

[Joel]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I was wondering why Billy didn't like the Miami Sound Machine. What other Cuban things do you hate?

[Billy]

It's not that I hate it. It's just like, every time there's like, oh, what do we do? Miami. Gloria, Stefano, Emilio Stefan. I'm just. I'm over the Estefans, man.

[Joel]

They really ring out in the streets like that, huh?

[Billy]

I went to school with one of the Estefans.

[Joel]

Really?

[Tate]

Nephew.

[Billy]

Yeah. Like a niece. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

So one time I was in. I was in. I was in Miami. I was in Joe Stone Crab. It's actually where I was. And this particular night. This particular night in Joe Stone Crab. This was years and years ago. It was kind of popping in there. I saw Glenn Rice.

[Tate]

I have his jersey right over here.

[Van Lathan]

I saw Glenn Rice in. In Joe Stone Crab. I saw him in there, and then I saw Emilio Estefan's. I think it's his sister or his niece now. She used to be on the show. Her name is, like, Lilia Stefan. Lilia Stefan. A Gordoli La Flaca. Okay?

[Billy]

The fat guy and the skinny girls.

[Van Lathan]

Gordo. Iflaca. This was during my Univision stage when I was into Univision.

[Joel]

Did you. Did you watch Dos Maheda Soon Camino.

[Van Lathan]

I know I didn't watch that. I don't know what it is.

[Tate]

Good job, Joe. Good pronunciation.

[Billy]

No, no, don't. Don't. Francisco yet.

[Van Lathan]

And I will watch. One time, I turned to it, and they Had Vita Guerra, and she was getting into the hot tub with Igor iflaca guy. That was the whole thing.

[Billy]

He was just the Gordon, really, with the Gordo.

[Van Lathan]

He would get. Was keeping it going, bro.

[Billy]

Discovered her, I think. Yeah.

[Joel]

Oh, that's how she got on, huh?

[Van Lathan]

She was. She got in the hot tub with Gordo.

[Joel]

No, Gordo legend.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Joel]

Speaking of King magazine, Flocka didn't get.

[Van Lathan]

Into the hot tub. Gordo got into the hot tub.

[Billy]

Yeah, Flocka's sisters, who I went to school with.

[Van Lathan]

Flaka's sister.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Joel]

That's cool.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, she came in there and I wanted to talk to her. I wanted to say, hey, I. I really enjoy the show. And the girl I was with was like, if you go over there and you talk to her about the fact that you watch that show with some women with big asses getting. I'm fucking get up and leave this place. She said, hey. She would come in and she would see me watching Univision and she would be like, how come every time I come in here and watch this channel, somebody naked on this? And I'm like, why don't you get out of here, Culture. I'm watching IG hater. I'm watching Igor iflaca. How you say it?

[Billy]

A Gordo Ilaflaca.

[Van Lathan]

Igor Ilaflaca.

[Billy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That guy Flaka and the fat guy.

[Joel]

And the skinny girl, Gloria is the fun man. She. She's a Latina legend, bro. You can't.

[Billy]

Yeah, I'm not saying she's not. It's just kind of like.

[Tate]

It's kind of like the Osmonds in Utah, you know, it's like there's. There's more people around or like.

[Billy]

Or like Snoop getting like, booked for everything.

[Tate]

Yeah, he was great on the.

[Joel]

Abroad rhythm is gonna get you. Come on, come on, come on.

[Tate]

Oh, yeah.

[Joel]

That. Go hard, man.

[Billy]

All right, I'm back. All right.

[Tate]

Yeah, he's in. He likes it. Back to the original Miami question, Billy Capital of the college football universe, Miami, Fernando Mendoza. Homecoming. Miami homecoming. What does it mean for the city? Like, what's going to happen in the week building?

[Van Lathan]

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[Tate]

Up to this.

[Billy]

Tickets are crazy right now. Have you seen prices? Like, you can't go to this game if you wanted to. I had someone text me that does not like the University of Miami. A friend of mine who's like, it's a shame that this stadium is going to be filled with, um, fans. It's gonna be their first time going to a game all season. Like, they're gonna keep everyone out.

[Joel]

Look at this FIU hate, man.

[Billy]

Someone texted me. I didn't. That's not for me. I was texted that.

[Joel]

Yeah, where's people at, bro? You know, where's people at, Billy?

[Billy]

All right, people.

[Van Lathan]

So then, so then, okay, so then you're. Miami has no true home field advantage then. And I mean, and plus it's a, it's a. In a game like this, there's never.

[Tate]

Really a home field advantage right over the Peach ball. So like Indiana fans, like, that's the, that's the most active alumni base in the country and the largest. So like they're gonna be. There's gonna be a lot of Indiana fans that go down.

[Joel]

Oh yeah.

[Billy]

They can't let Indiana take over that stadium. That would be embarrassing.

[Tate]

I don't think they're gonna take it over, but I think it might be closer to 60, 40 than people suspect.

[Billy]

Really?

[Tate]

Yeah, I really do.

[Billy]

60, 40, which way?

[Tate]

Miami 60? Indian 40.

[Joel]

Yeah, I mean, even then it's not really that. It's like what, 40, 25 and then the rest of corporate. Corporate, you know, sponsored folks and stuff. So yeah, it's gonna, it won't even be like that. There'll be a lot of people that are just neutral observers.

[Tate]

50 tickets for therabody. Yeah, there's a lot of that going on.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, I found a post on Duck territory. At what point do you start over and bring in a new head coach? I mean, wow, Duck territory, right? I'm looking, I'm looking at all this, but most of these people are being, most of these people are being pretty, pretty rational about this. They're talking about bringing in new head like, like coordinators, but not. Nobody's really talking about landing on here.

[Joel]

There's going to be, there's going to be some big highs for them, man. Yeah. Who going to be, who going to be those new coordinators? I guess Dante has a decision to make after the day.

[Tate]

Did Indiana make the decision for Dante tonight? I guess that's a good question.

[Joel]

Man, I don't know. You can't let one game dictate that because he's still going to be the second quarterback off the board and that.

[Tate]

Well, he's first on McShay's mock draft. McShay has him going number one now. I can't imagine.

[Joel]

Should we talk about. Can we talk about.

[Tate]

He's. He's live right now.

[Joel]

He's live right now.

[Billy]

How are you planning on talking about?

[Joel]

Curiosity? Trust me, Billy, I'm trying to protect you here, okay? No, he. Because he's. He was talking about, man, you know, you see the plays that Carson Beck makes and, you know, I don't know, man, maybe he might have worked his way back into the top five. And I'm like, man, get out of here. Get out of here.

[Tate]

I mean, he was the preseason number one pick last year.

[Joel]

Don't fall for the Carson Beck. What are you talking about? They are afraid of him. They are. They're. They're afraid to rely on him, and they only turn to him when they have to. And it's not his fault, but his.

[Van Lathan]

He delivered.

[Joel]

Injured. Yeah, he delivered and his arm got injured, so there's not as much pop on that ball anymore. Like, there's. If that. I mean, again, the NFL is stupid, so it is very possible.

[Tate]

But if you're going to take Ty Simpson or Carson Beck, like, I would take back.

[Joel]

Oh, me.

[Tate]

Just me. You would take back, Man, I would take back.

[Joel]

Beck is directly the only reason Miami. I shouldn't say the only reason, but one of the very few reasons that Miami had to sweat it out to get into the playoffs is that he threw four interceptions in Louisville, man.

[Tate]

And it was explained, you know, like, he went out on Thursday night, had a little bit too much fun. That's the. You got the Miami virus that Johnny Menzel got before college games. It happens.

[Joel]

And didn't have the. Did we have a clip earlier this year where he was throwing his teammates under the bus or something, too?

[Tate]

I think he's been a consummate teammate.

[Joel]

So is that right?

[Van Lathan]

I mean, the whole team, like, rallies behind him and stuff.

[Tate]

They don't like it.

[Joel]

Well, now, I mean. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

All right, you have an agenda, but look, watch out.

[Billy]

Oregon scored.

[Joel]

Wait, what's my agenda?

[Tate]

Oregon scored.

[Van Lathan]

Oregon scored. Is 22 to 46.

[Tate]

They're getting guard points down last year.

[Van Lathan]

Can I, Can I say.

[Joel]

Can I say.

[Van Lathan]

Can I say one more thing about this game as it relates to. To. To Oregon?

[Joel]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

So Indiana has beaten a lot of teams with. With really Blue blood, right? They beat Ohio State, they beat Alabama, These are some of the blue. They don't get no blow. Your blood don't get no bluer than Ohio State and Alabama. It can't possibly get bluer. Those are two of the blues bloods, maybe the two bluest bloods of all the blue bloods in college football. All right, so there's no shame in losing to this Indiana team. It is different for Oregon though. The reason why it's different for Oregon is because Oregon is still trying to gain entry into the elite college football conversation. They're still trying to gain entry into that and it seems like they can't beat the blue bloods, they can't beat the green bloods. When it gets to this particular point, they lose to an Auburn, they lose to Ohio State, they lose to an Indiana, whatever team is in front of Oregon for national supremacy and relevance at the time, they can't meet the moment. Auburn, like I said, yeah, Auburn. So whatever that team is, they don't seem to be able to do if it's Ohio State or they get smacked if it's it, they get smacked. If it's Auburn, they loop close like they gotta win one of those games at some point. And if you're an Oregon fan, you're. You brought Dan Laney in to win these games is my only point. You brought him in to win these games. Not to recruit well and have great regular seasons and, and, and get to the 12 team playoffs.

[Joel]

Bobby Bowden won two national championships, man. Tom Osborne, 1, 2. You know, it's, it is very hard.

[Tate]

But they didn't have the opportunities of a playoff. So like all those, all those championships will look a lot the other side.

[Joel]

Of winning, you know, a championship of, of of that is that you got to win all those games to get to the championship. Now like you gotta hold your team together, you hold a staff together. Your, your, some of your best players can get picked off before, you know, year to year and then you got to just to get there. So that's what I'm saying. It's like, and your coaches get there. Yeah, man, it's, it's, it's, it's not, it's not that easy, bro. And to win a national championship. But I can understand why if you're an Oregon fan tonight and to a van is saying, yeah, it must be very disappointing and you would like to win one of these games and win a national championship, but it is very hard, bro. You don't matter who you hire unless it's Kirk Signetti, you're probably not just going to look. Be in line to win championships year to year to year after that. And again, look, we. Kirk Signetti's got to do it, you know, next year, too, and the year after that. Like, how he's gonna have Josh Hoover, you know. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

He's made the playoffs twice. So what you're. In your estimation, he's one of the top 10 to 15 coaches in college football history. So, like, he might be.

[Joel]

I mean.

[Van Lathan]

If he win this bitch, he probably is.

[Joel]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

By the way, it seems as if we are all assuming now that Indiana is a national championship.

[Tate]

We.

[Van Lathan]

We're assuming. My thing is this. If you are Miami, you got crazy message board. Not message board, crazy bulletin board material. Crazy motivation to go out there and shock the world. What kind of college football landscape are we living in where a Miami over Indiana victory would be seen as one of the bigger upsets that I can remember in a long time?

[Tate]

I think that's. That shows you how impressive Signetti has been.

[Joel]

He is so cool, man.

[Tate]

He's changed everything. Like, this is insane.

[Joel]

Yeah, look at it, man. He just got.

[Tate]

Wears a pullover with no undershirt.

[Joel]

No, man, he just. He's just. I don't know. I feel like Kurt could fight. You know?

[Van Lathan]

What?

[Joel]

Yeah, he just. He just.

[Tate]

I think you can wrestle.

[Van Lathan]

You know.

[Joel]

If you walk up on cursing daddy and you like, you want some smoke, you know, he'd be like, I don't think you want to do that. You know, I can just see him saying some like that, like, boy, Joe.

[Van Lathan]

Do you seem like a fan?

[Billy]

How would you take him down?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, what would you do, Joe?

[Joel]

What would y' all do.

[Tate]

Joe? I don't really wrestle.

[Joel]

Boxing Joe. Boxing Joe.

[Van Lathan]

Joel, what would you do? How would you take down Kurt Signetti? How?

[Tate]

How Low man wins, right, Joel?

[Joel]

Look, man, Z. You don't want. What? You want to scar. I mean, you see.

[Van Lathan]

Why are you bringing it up to me? Do you think you're the one? Like, why are you bringing it up to me?

[Joel]

It looks like I think he could fight. I didn't mean. That is the opposite of me wanting to just jump in a ring with him.

[Billy]

He's 64. You think you could take him?

[Joel]

I'm not engaging in this.

[Billy]

This 64.

[Joel]

I'm not. I'm. I refuse to answer that question because the first. The first thing is. That's crazy. Second thing is, no matter what answer it is, this is gonna be Some.

[Billy]

So you couldn't fight Crystal Ball. So we'll move down.

[Joel]

Oh, I would not. I would. I would not. With Cristobal.

[Billy]

But Signetti, former.

[Joel]

A former lineman. No, I would not.

[Tate]

That actually is a fair question. Like, which one is more insane, Signetti or Crystal Ball? Like, they're both probably.

[Van Lathan]

See, Nettie, seems like something's up, bro. Seemed like something up. That seemed like he. Like, he seemed like he. That's a crazy right there.

[Joel]

Yeah, man. That's what I'm saying. You said the same thing I said. Basically, he would just be like, I don't think you want to do that guy. You know, if you. You know. So, yeah, man.

[Billy]

Toy Beach. Fine.

[Van Lathan]

Bill's thought about it. I'll beat the. Out of cursing Nettie. Look, here's the thing.

[Joel]

Man. I bet Kurt will you up, too, man.

[Van Lathan]

How? Hey, Wilson.

[Billy]

What'S the game plan when you fight Kurt?

[Van Lathan]

Who, me?

[Joel]

Yeah.

[Billy]

I'm asking Joel.

[Joel]

No, but he's the one that said he would beat his ass. So tell Van. Tell everybody how you would be cursing that his ass. Like, what will you use?

[Van Lathan]

I'm gonna keep him at the end of the jab. And then after I keep him at the end of the jab, pop, pop, pop, pop. After that, I'm gonna hit him with a couple of hooks. One shot to the body, take him down and.

[Joel]

Silver, look.

[Van Lathan]

That's it. That's all you get.

[Billy]

He looks like he likes a taste of blood, though. Like, you break his nose and gets blood, and then he gets like, y'.

[Tate]

All.

[Joel]

That's more homoerotic than what I said.

[Billy]

What?

[Joel]

Looks like he looks like he likes to taste the blood. I mean, what.

[Tate]

Joel, no one was saying anything was homoerotic.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, Joel, first of all, what you just said was highly inappropriate.

[Tate]

Yeah.

[Joel]

I need a team. I need a team. I'm not going to Miami because of y', all, dog. I have my credential. I could be going down there.

[Billy]

I gave that back already.

[Joel]

And now I'm going to la. And also, I gotta book my flight. Mallory didn't get back to me by code. Oh, here she goes. She just gave me the code. Okay, so anyway, so I gotta book my flight to come out there, right? You know? So, I mean, yeah, I could be going, but I could be making a trip to Miami, which is an easier flight for me. Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Dan Lanning's getting killed on Twitter. They're saying that Dan Landing is out here playing for clicks. That's what they say. They're playing for clicks. He's getting killed on Twitter. They and one guy, Robert, at Rob 13. Whatever. Oh, that's Robert spelled with the numbers. My bad. He says that Dan Landing is James Franklin.

[Joel]

Oh, man.

[Tate]

See, I'm not. I'm not there yet. But I think James Franklin is a good coach. I think Dan Lenning is a good coach. I just think Lanny might be a tear above Franklin.

[Joel]

I mean. Yeah, I guess the thing is, if I think that. See, I think that James Franklin is vastly undervalued and people just don't value winning enough. Yeah. Yeah. I just. And. And I. I think that's kind of the same. This might end up. Sounds like it's gonna be the same thing with Dan Lanning, where it's just like, okay, you guys think y' all could do better? Cool.

[Van Lathan]

I'll ask you a question, Joel. Weird that we haven't got here yet. What do you value more, winning or championships?

[Joel]

I value winning because you can't win championships without winning.

[Van Lathan]

I know, but what I'm saying is, would you rather have. I guess you can't win championships without winning, but you can certainly win a lot and never win a championship. Yeah. It seems like to me, you would be quite content to have a coach that delivered you 10 wins and a playoff trip every year, but never got your team there. And there's.

[Joel]

But the thing is, I don't know that in the time. But I want. I always want my team to be nationally relevant and competitive, and I'll take my chances with that because I know that championships are very hard to win. You're not going to win very many of them. Like most, even the great coaches only win.

[Van Lathan]

Do you have to win? Do you have to win two?

[Joel]

For what? For me to be happy or satisfied?

[Van Lathan]

What I'm saying is if. Okay, separate question. There are probably a lot of Oregon fans, and I can tell you this, there are probably a lot of Oregon fans that don't like getting embarrassed like this on a national stage.

[Joel]

Yeah, right.

[Van Lathan]

Don't like getting embarrassed like this in this game. So is 10, 11 wins, even 12 wins, whatever. And then getting your ass cut in the playoffs, Would that bother you? Does it bother you if a coach is continuously on the doorstep but can never get over the hump? I mean, I guess the question is, at some point, if you're one of these schools that's putting up this type of bread, don't you want to hold the trophy?

[Joel]

Of course. I mean, of course. And I mean, you just. The real. The realization is that it might not happen My favorite basketball team is the University of Houston. They've been to the. They've been to the Final Four more times than any program did not have won a national championship. And I still think, man, I would rather have Kelvin Sampson, because at least I know that I'm going to be good and I have a chance to.

[Tate]

Be in a. Yeah. They're knocking on the door. They're knocking on the door.

[Joel]

Eventually, sometimes it'll happen, you know, eventually it will happen, I think. And I may be wrong on that, but I would rather take my chances on that than thinking, I'm definitely going to do better than a coach that can get me 11 wins or go undefeated in the Big Ten and win the Big Ten championship one year. You know, like, that's. That is tough to do.

[Tate]

Now I see why you were triggered by the Franklin firing, because you're like, this is like firing Kellen. Like Kelvin Sampson, you know, getting getting rid of someone that's gotten you on the door.

[Joel]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Wow. Damn. I didn't even. That almost felt like a shot tape, but when you put it.

[Tate]

No, I'm saying. I'm saying, like, I understand where you're coming from.

[Joel]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tate]

Than Penn State, but I mean, still.

[Joel]

Yeah, it's.

[Tate]

It's a fair.

[Joel]

I think the Franklin firing is absurd. And I think if Oregon makes Dan Lanning uncomfortable up there, that they're dumb, that. That's stupid.

[Tate]

Van Mute.

[Van Lathan]

I don't think they'll do that. I think the fan base is going to be uncomfortable by getting embarrassed nationally two years in a row. I think any fan base that's worth their sight would be uncomfortable with getting embarrassed nationally two years in a row.

[Joel]

Yeah.

[Tate]

And I think Phil.

[Van Lathan]

Put that. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. How's that?

[Joel]

Yeah. Lane Kiffin.

[Tate]

Lane Kiffin.

[Joel]

You. You're about to be in for some hell, bro. I'm just. You're not going to have a good time, man, you're gonna wish you stayed at Ole Miss.

[Van Lathan]

We'll see. Maybe. I'm gonna be honest with you. He probably should have stayed at Ole Miss.

[Joel]

Yeah. He gonna be on your ass like he would be on Kiri, man, go.

[Van Lathan]

Down there to win. He got to go down there and win, and that's the way it go. Ain't nobody. Ain't you gotta win. You know what I'm saying? Ain't nobody play. We don't play that. We ain't playing that dumb ass. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm Saying.

[Tate]

You're saying he's gonna win championships.

[Joel]

I mean championships. Got one of overrated Minnesota up here talking like this. You know what I'm saying?

[Van Lathan]

Don't have to. Don't have to win it every year, but you got to win 1.

[Joel]

The SIC's, NC State, some side of SEC that. You know what.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, I mean, look, here's the deal. Three different coaches won three different national championships. Six SEC championships like. Like Heisman Trophies. All of that stuff played for another one. Like, if you. There's no way. Here's the deal, especially coming from you.

[Joel]

Come on. There's no way.

[Van Lathan]

Focus on bad about LSU in the last 20 years. It's impossible. It would be stupid. Come on.

[Joel]

So, okay, well, you got to go back 20 years. That's fine. Okay. No, you don't.

[Van Lathan]

You only have to go back five.

[Joel]

You inhale. You inhale. Last you were in hell a few months ago because y' all were barely beating Western Kentucky.

[Van Lathan]

And now we might be able to get those championships.

[Joel]

Ain't made you happy. The difference this year. You don't feel good.

[Van Lathan]

Here's the deal. The difference between a winner is that a winner expects to win and a loser is okay losing.

[Joel]

So. So.

[Van Lathan]

So the difference is he. Yes. I'm gonna. I'm gonna paint my face because I have an expectation. We expect to. To. To go there.

[Joel]

Why would y'. All expect.

[Van Lathan]

The reason. The reason why not embarrassed by these victories is because the best moment in TCU history is get. Losing 63.

[Joel]

No, it wasn't. That's. That was.

[Tate]

It was 2014, remember?

[Joel]

Yeah, 2014. Beating Michigan right in the semis. That was a beating.

[Van Lathan]

Beating the blue blood.

[Joel]

See a blue bug van.

[Tate]

I did want to ask you, while we're in the. You know, we're gonna do some quick hitters here on the way out. Do you think that LSU is more of a villain now with Lane than they were with Brian Kelly?

[Van Lathan]

Yes.

[Tate]

Me too. And that's crazy.

[Van Lathan]

Well, two reasons. Number one, you can't be a villain if you a pushover. Right? So LSU always had a unit under Brian Kelly that was wofully inept. Woefully inept. You weren't scared of lsu. I think the villain thing with Lane Kiffin is partly about the fact that it could work. So there is a thought there that maybe LSU might be a scary team. The fan base will take that. They'll take being the villains if it comes with. At least I will. They'll take being villains if it comes with a lot of success. On the field. Relevance. Recruiting classes, development at key positions and stuff like that. The Brian Kelly thing, beyond the season that Jalen gave us, that Jaden gave us, it. It. There wasn't much we can go back, look back on and look through the lens of excellence at, you know, what's. It was down for lsu, and there was still a Heisman Trophy, and there was still an SEC west championship, and there was still those things, but beyond that, just having that guy around being hated is one thing, and he's not cool. Lane Kiffin is evil, but he's also Darth Vader. Darth Vader is cool.

[Joel]

You think he cool, huh, Lane?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I think he's cool.

[Joel]

Really? Okay.

[Van Lathan]

I think he's cool. I think people are fascinated with Lane Kiffin. They're fascinated with the villain angle of Lane Kiffin. He is a college football draw. So if he's a villain, he's a villain in a way that gets people talking and gets people going.

[Joel]

Yeah, it won't feel good if he lets y' all down, though, because then you're gonna. You're just gonna have all the bad part. And that's. I just, you know, I'm. I'm curious to see how that Kiffin thing is going to work out. I. I just already. You all are primed to. Not like that, man. Like, I just don't. I don't feel like it's. I already feel like it's not a good match. And God forbid he struggles to deliver on the promise here and, you know, you know, y' all end up being Minnesota, NC State, you know, for the next three to four years.

[Tate]

Why are you taking shots at NC State or worse?

[Joel]

Well, I'm just saying NC State is very good. Like, you just the ACC's, LSU or worse.

[Van Lathan]

TCU. That's the only thing that could be worse.

[Joel]

TCU been about the same program. Except for the championships, of course.

[Van Lathan]

Except for the champions.

[Joel]

Shut the up. Because of the championship. All of the guys because of discrimination against you.

[Van Lathan]

Don't kill the championship in the NFL. And except for the championships, all the guys in the NFL, the SC championships, all of that stuff, yes, it's been the same and the greatest.

[Tate]

Sunday Night Football for the Chargers championships.

[Joel]

Didn't make you feel good this year, though. That's all I'm saying.

[Van Lathan]

You're crazy.

[Joel]

How great could championships be? Could be. You don't know right now, man. Somebody might help us to six points through three quarters.

[Van Lathan]

Somebody right now will look at me and talk shit about the same Saints and I will say 2010 Super bowl champions.

[Joel]

Okay, Joe, you can't say that.

[Van Lathan]

Joe. Who are other teams?

[Joel]

Oh, yeah, we. The Houston Rockets. Houston Rockets.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, so y' all got it popping back.

[Tate]

27 Houston Oilers.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Oh, oh, 27, the Houston Oilers. They ain't never won.

[Joel]

Yeah, so fire jerseys. But what about the Houston Astros though, dog? I don't give a. About that.

[Van Lathan]

I don't give for that.

[Tate]

Yeah, I, I can't get by.

[Van Lathan]

Joe, listen.

[Joel]

Yeah, okay, whatever. You hear that? Then get the championship back. Then get a championship back. Hey, if you look, if you listen to. There was a great podcast about this, about how that, that actually hurt them. Like they, they did worse when they relied on that system than otherwise it would. It was all in their heads that they thought that that system worked for them. They actually hit worse using it. But that's fine. They won championships, though. Okay, so they got that.

[Van Lathan]

I'm not gonna take it away.

[Joel]

I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell you cheated, but I'm gonna tell you something about the Rockets because I'm gonna tell you something about this because maybe this is what informs me. Okay, so. No, so 1994 won't even take care of his kids.

[Van Lathan]

That's your team.

[Joel]

The Rockets beat the Knicks game seven.

[Tate]

I love Mad Max.

[Joel]

I watched again, my third favorite Rocket. So I'm driving home from my father's house on the east side after the championship set in the house. It's like a 25 minute drive back to Mo City, and I'm in my 1987 Honda Civic CRX and rockets have won the championship. This is the biggest. Finally one of my teams have won. I've been. It's been heartbreak city for me as a sports fan my whole life. And finally my team wins. And about halfway through the trip, I'm like, man, I'm not getting for this, bro. I'm not even getting a championship ring. It was. It actually kind of bummed me out. I was like, damn, dog. I was like, I'm not. Nobody's sending me a check.

[Tate]

You thought Elijah mom was gonna come.

[Joel]

Shake your hands like, damn, man, I'm not gonna give me Otis Thorpe. It's just, I. I was like, wow, all that. I was so hyped.

[Tate]

Tom Johnnovich is at your house.

[Joel]

Yeah, yeah, I just had to get up and do it, whatever. It was cool that they won, but yeah, it just. That kind of. So anyway, that's what informs me.

[Van Lathan]

So you. Oh, so, yeah, you don't. Oh, okay, that makes sense. You don't care about championships because I do. If they win or not.

[Joel]

I mean, I care, but, you know. Yeah, I just, you know, you.

[Tate]

You kind of remind me like when Billy Donovan. I remember Billy Donovan. I talked to him like about probably about a decade ago, and he was like, when he won his two championships, he thought that he would walk everywhere and everyone be like, oh, my God, there's two time champion Billy Donovan. And he was like, people treated me the exact same way. You know, he was like, it was. He was like, it was empty. You know, he was like, I. I thought it would change things, but it was the same.

[Joel]

I thought Terry Bradshaw said something about this, and pardon me if I get it wrong, that he actually got depressed after he won the super bowl because, like, I thought, like, oh, it was going to be some sort of, you know, the pinnacle moment of my life. And he was just like. I was just like, oh, this is it, you know? And that's two things to say.

[Van Lathan]

I got two things to say. Number one. One, I'm being serious.

[Joel]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

You hit your mic.

[Tate]

Muted. Did you meet on purpose?

[Van Lathan]

No.

[Joel]

1.

[Van Lathan]

This is because Joel comes from a place where there's a lot of to do. I'm being serious about that all just aside, like, Joel comes from Houston and there's plenty of. For Houston to be proud of, whether the Rockets win the championship or not. Like, it's still to do in Houston. Houston is still a place that people want to go. It's still a place that you can, you know, you can't walk to the, to the, to the CVS at 9 o'. Clock. I tried to walk to the CVS from my hotel one time and the lady said, don't do that. She said, we'll take you to the CVS and back. Don't walk. So that's one thing. So is Texas is different. I am from Baton Rouge, meaning a large part. I'm being serious about this. A large part of our cultural identity, who we are and our energy goes into the game of football. And a large part of the pride that comes from the southern part of that state, really the whole state, is how good we are at that sport. There's not a ton else that Louisiana can look up and say, like, we're the best. If you start looking at stats and all of that type of shit. I think we have some of the best and most unique culture in the whole, in the whole country. But if you're talking about that, it's very meaningful that our boys from them different places in the City can go out there and get popping. Number two. That's the second. That's the first thing. Number two. I tell you one thing about Terry Bradshaw and the rest of these guys that y' all talking about didn't get treated any different. You know what, know what feeling that they have that is different. I bet you Terry Bradshaw feels different than Jim Kelly feels. I bet you Terry Bradshaw feels different than Philip Rivers feels.

[Tate]

Or Dan Marino.

[Van Lathan]

Or Dan Marino. I bet he would prefer the feeling of being Terry Bradshaw than he would of being Matt Ryan. I bet he would feel that. I bet any of those guys that were on that Rockets team, I bet they don't wanna. I bet they don't. They don't want to be Charles Barkley.

[Billy]

Well, Patrick Ewing.

[Joel]

Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, Patrick.

[Tate]

At least Ewing won at Georgetown. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. But what I'm saying is I bet those people that are talking about, they're walking through and they don't know anybody. No, they don't know Riley Massimino or whomever else. I bet he would rather be Riley Massimino than Jerry Sloan. So if you're talking about all of that stuff, there's one thing, winning and not having people recognize you for it, but there's another thing with having to live with losing. And a lot of those players and a lot of that that played their whole years, their whole time and never got there, that with them. I know that to be true.

[Joel]

No, that's true. That's a good point.

[Tate]

And it is true. Like in North Carolina, the same thing as like the basketball schools, you know, it's the same thing you're talking about. Van. It's like small town North Carolina. It's like North Carolina went in national championship in basketball. It's a big deal because then it validates your whole state, you know, your hometown, everywhere you're from.

[Joel]

So I really don't. Again, and I don't want the argument to be that I don't think it's important to win championships. Right. No, what I am saying is that.

[Van Lathan]

Joel. Happy to be there to know.

[Tate]

Right.

[Joel]

I just. I want to know that I'm going to win every year. I want to know that every, every fall that my team is going to be good. We're going to have big games. We're probably going to win them in all of them. You're right.

[Tate]

Like you want to be in the fight.

[Joel]

I want to be in the fight. And I'll take my chances understanding that. I'm not going to be crushed if we Go se. You know. You know, we. We fall off and go four and eight. Like, I like. Okay. My coaches never. Our bad year will be eight and four, you know, I'd rather live that way. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I will say this about Penn State, though, to your point, about Penn State and, you know, like, Notre Dame and LSU before 2000, whatever. Penn State hasn't won a national championship in a very long time. Yeah. I mean, it. It. I mean, they hadn't won a national champion. Now, I will say that it is different coming up from the coach that won the national championships or, you know, all of that stuff like that coming off, but they hadn't won a national championship in a very long time. So. So they hadn't won in a while. So the fact that they were so pressed to win one under James Franklin, that was interesting. I know they have high expectations, but they. And they should have high expectations, and they. They're in a conference where teams are. Are winning. But, you know, with. With Notre Dame and these guys, like, you know, Dame had one since, like, 88 was the last time Penn State won a national championship.

[Billy]

86.

[Joel]

86. Yeah. They went undefeated in 94.

[Tate]

They won two. Right.

[Van Lathan]

Or he won two. Yeah, man. Too.

[Joel]

Is that. No. Is that right? Because didn't he. Didn't he win another one in the 80s and then one in, like, the.

[Van Lathan]

I thought he won two in the national championship.

[Joel]

All right. I felt like he won three, but I don't know. But anyway.

[Van Lathan]

But again, what, two national. 82 and 86. Three Big Ten championships. 94, 2005, 2009.

[Tate]

I think 94 is what we think of. Could have been a national championship.

[Joel]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

You know, they went undefeated. Yeah.

[Joel]

There was a year that Richard Nixon, like, declared somebody the national champion, and instead of, like, an undefeated Penn State team, too, or something like that. But yeah, man, I. Again, think about what you're saying. A guy who coached for, you know, however many years he did. I'm looking. How many years is this? I mean, Jesus.

[Van Lathan]

He was at. He was there.

[Joel]

He.

[Van Lathan]

Joe Paterno had been at Penn State since 1950.

[Joel]

1950. The head coach there since.

[Tate]

That's insane.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel]

45 years and three championships, bro. I mean, again, you can coach. It's so hard, even no matter how good you are. Whatever. It's just those championships. Nick Saban has fooled everybody. And the thing is, Nick Saban, once he realized that the game had changed and everybody could, you know, there were no more.

[Van Lathan]

Not just Nick.

[Joel]

Yeah. Yeah. There were no more secrets. He was just like, I don't want to do this no more, bro.

[Van Lathan]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Let that day. We don't let that die. Not just Nick. Not just Nick.

[Joel]

Okay?

[Van Lathan]

Why.

[Joel]

Why are you so. Why are you so desperate to help you, man.

[Van Lathan]

Not just Nick.

[Tate]

Urbanite.

[Van Lathan]

Didn't Urban Meyer come get a. Get a handful of them? Okay. Didn't Kirby Smart come get a handful of them?

[Joel]

Two.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Tate]

Kirby's still in the fight.

[Van Lathan]

Didn't Dabble Sweeney come get. Get a couple.

[Joel]

He got two. Yeah.

[Tate]

So Dabo's still in the fight.

[Van Lathan]

So. So it's like not. Not just. Not just Nick. Not just Nick. There were. There was a.

[Joel]

There was.

[Van Lathan]

There was an elite crop of coaches that Joel would take Dan Landing over all of them. There was an elite crop of coaches.

[Joel]

I would. I would take Dan Lanning over Dabbo Swinney. Yeah, I would.

[Tate]

Right now.

[Joel]

Yeah, of course. Dan Lanning over Dabbo Swinney. If you. If you told me the devil when he was coming to coach T, I'd be so mad. I'd be like, nah, please. No. Right.

[Van Lathan]

You wouldn't take Dabo Sweeney at tcu.

[Joel]

Not at all. I'd be so mad. I would not. He can't win at Clemson.

[Tate]

He's won two champions.

[Joel]

He's struggling at Clemson right now. He's not a good. I bet Kansas was like, wait a second, though.

[Van Lathan]

Wait a second.

[Joel]

We got list. Kansas, and we got less Miles. Miles. We should be happy. How bad was Les. Miles?

[Van Lathan]

This is. I want you guys to understand.

[Tate]

He was bad.

[Joel]

This is not a bad. It's not a bad answer.

[Van Lathan]

I want you guys to understand the logical inconsistencies that Job consistently puts on the podcast. Okay, so listen. Yeah, just listen. Did Clemson make the playoff last year?

[Joel]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, so I want you guys to understand what Joel's. What Joel has said. Joel has said in the same breath that he thinks that firing James Franklin was up because James Franklin was a very good coach, even though James Franklin had a bad season this year. He's also said that if you've made the playoff, then that proves that you are a good coach, which is what he said about Dan Lanning. So he's contradicting.

[Joel]

No. No. Himself.

[Van Lathan]

Because now he says that Sweeney is not good because that was when he had a down year this year.

[Joel]

I did not say no.

[Tate]

He won championships.

[Van Lathan]

And he was in the devanted valuable, like a golden playoff last year. But that doesn't matter now. It doesn't matter now because I don't.

[Joel]

Think the Clemson should fire Davos 20. But I could understand. I could understand if they want to, because they can look at the trajectory, the trajectory of the program and they can say, oh, man, like, he was.

[Van Lathan]

In the playoff last year, though, again.

[Joel]

But nobody. Everybody knew what that team was, bro. That team wasn't even Miami.

[Van Lathan]

Argue on behalf of James Franklin, then. You're racist. That's what it is.

[Joel]

Because. No, because.

[Billy]

Joel's my favorite racist.

[Joel]

And I don't know Joel.

[Van Lathan]

That's my favorite racist. Joel. Joel's my favorite racist. This is another Parker Livingstone.

[Tate]

Yeah, there you go.

[Van Lathan]

This makes. Because logically, this makes no sense.

[Joel]

No, it does make sense. Again, everything has its own. He was a race is a difficult place to win. Penn State is a. Is not an. I don't believe it's going to be an easy place to win. You could have a 10 or 11 win coach there.

[Tate]

Joel, look at the graphic that Fre made.

[Joel]

I can't see it there.

[Tate]

You can. Oh, yeah.

[Joel]

Is that me?

[Billy]

No.

[Joel]

Who is that?

[Tate]

Oh, my God. I thought you got your glasses to help with this.

[Joel]

I don't have any. You know. Of course not. I still haven't had time to go get.

[Billy]

You don't have any glasses? You're wearing them.

[Joel]

Yeah, no, I have. I don't have time, but these glasses are not. I. I need to update them.

[Tate]

You can't see with those glasses.

[Billy]

Dabo coveraging at Texas Christian would be great.

[Joel]

No, I'd be like, I would not. I would not. I would want somebody else.

[Billy]

His quotes would go so hard.

[Tate]

Yeah, it would be perfect. I also think if he, like, gets fired by Clemson, he's definitely going to Liberty. Like, Liberty would crush a good.

[Joel]

You know, like, I mean, again, I'm.

[Tate]

Just like, they'd be in the playoff.

[Joel]

You have all the advantages of Clemson and you're not winning. You're not doing. You know, it's. It doesn't look like what it used to a decade ago. And that's what Clemson fans, they can say, well, yeah, man, he was a great coach and he won championships and he. When he had DeSean Watson and Trevor Lawrence and those guys.

[Tate]

Yeah, that's the thing. He's missing the quarterback. I mean, yeah, ACC's tough.

[Joel]

And you said that Kate Klubnick was supposed to be, you know, that guy. That's right.

[Tate]

Best. Best conference in football. I mean, just think about this. The greatest coach in NFL football history, Even though Joel said Nick Saban was better, he comes down to the ACC and he can't even win five games. Think about it.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, y', all, we just broke 700 watching.

[Tate]

We.

[Van Lathan]

You guys. Hey, and for y', all, It'll be like 700. 700 is not big. It's big for us because all it means is we going up. Joel is talking about the trajectory.

[Billy]

There's competition tonight, too.

[Joel]

That's right. We hit up. Who? How many people over on tides. Let me go look up.

[Billy]

Joe, you know what I was thinking? We're headed to the off season, and if we don't get canceled, since you keep telling everyone we're gonna.

[Joel]

Yeah, man.

[Billy]

Look, some reason I think you should do a big board, like in the off season. Every week we check in with uc who's on your big board, how it's going.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, you cannot ass, by the way.

[Joel]

Yeah. Yeah, man. 1300 people. Maybe I shouldn't have looked. We appreciate y' all in the chat, though, and everybody looking right now.

[Billy]

But it's like first five minutes of his stream, we had him, though. No one knew he was live yet. But that's fine.

[Joel]

No, that's good.

[Tate]

We were winning.

[Joel]

I didn't need to know that.

[Tate]

It's like scoring on the opening drive. It was like Ted Ginn returning the kickoff of the national championship game. That was.

[Joel]

It was like Gio Lopez going right down the field.

[Tate]

Hey, hey, that's fired. Gio's going to Wake Forest. He'll be fine. ACC is looking good. All right, Any parting shots that we have here on the way out? Van, any last thoughts? We'll let Todd McShay take over for the rest of the evening. Anything we didn't hit, Van, that you want to hit? We'll obviously be back next week to be preview the national championship game on Wednesday.

[Joel]

Coral, you're all horny ass. I. I didn't even. I. You know, it took me a minute to pick up what you were putting down on the coral, man. I didn't know that you were that hot for her, bro.

[Van Lathan]

I. I heard some stuff, Joe. Oh, I heard some stuff about your stories, man. There some people that. That they. They're. They're besm. They're saying that maybe some of these stories is a little cap, bro. Like, I'm working. I'm working. I'm working some angles, Joe.

[Joel]

I don't know what's who your source is. Why. How would I make that up?

[Billy]

It's a good lie.

[Van Lathan]

I'm not. I'm not saying that you made it up, but I can show you people that have maybe reached out and said, Maybe some of these stories are not what you made them seem to be. They reaching out. They reaching out.

[Tate]

What stories in particular?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel]

What are you doing? Yo, who are you?

[Tate]

Steve, Would you say, raise the roof? Because I.

[Van Lathan]

Like.

[Joel]

I'm Kevin Durant. You know what I'm saying?

[Van Lathan]

Hey, hey, don't make.

[Joel]

Don't want me to say that.

[Van Lathan]

You don't want me to.

[Joel]

Want me to go there.

[Billy]

You have, like, eight hometowns, though, for real.

[Joel]

I don't. I've lived a lot of places.

[Tate]

Right, right. He's been everywhere, man.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, this is what. This is what I wanted to. To end with. I. I figured out why the SEC is officially no longer the premier con conference in college football. All right? So a lot of people think that it's Nick Saban leaving and Nick Saban leaving, meaning that Alabama is no longer the standard bearer, that Alabama was buoying the conference. And that's not untrue. Right? But I will say that during the time that Saban was at. At Alabama, Florida won national championships, Auburn won national championships, LSU won national championships, Georgia won national championships. So there was, at least at the top of the conference, a lot of strength there, and those teams won in dominant fashion. Right. But there is something that Nick Saban did mean to the. The Joe Anderson share the file in the meeting. What you trying to prove? Let me see. What is this?

[Joel]

Yeah, I'm showing you that.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I didn't.

[Joel]

I didn't even say, you know, Joel.

[Tate]

Said no caps in my wraps.

[Joel]

Yeah, I mean, I feel like we.

[Billy]

Should email Coral to join us next week. We have her email address right there.

[Joel]

Now, this is all between us internal. That's not.

[Tate]

Joe. We're live on YouTube.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joel]

Nobody can see that on YouTube.

[Billy]

You're screen sharing.

[Joel]

I'm not screen.

[Van Lathan]

You are. Joel, you put. Nobody put her email address out there, bro. Like, see, the. The.

[Joel]

That's not in the real chats. Stop it.

[Van Lathan]

It is in the real chat.

[Tate]

It's an I post.

[Joel]

You can't post that on YouTube.

[Van Lathan]

Post it on YouTube.

[Joel]

No, you.

[Van Lathan]

Joe got so. Joe got so touched that he wants to put her email out there. But there is something. There is something that Nick Saban did for the league that nobody. I think not. A lot of people are talking about Nick Saban being at the top of the league. He set the trends for the sec. Like, you had to catch Alabama, and being that you had to catch Alabama, the arms race that existed in the SEC means that you had to play the same Type of football that they were playing when Alabama was meat grinding people. Yeah, when they were doing all of that, you had to be able to play with them and against them. Then Alabama changes the way that they play. They open up the offense. Bill o' Brien is there, Steve Sarkeesian is there, Lane Kiffin is there. And the SEC has to do that for a little while to a degree as well, open up the offenses and play like that. Then he left. He left those coaches with those philosophies, stayed. And the Nick Saban philosophy was exported to other conferences. So while the SEC is still playing Steve Sarkeesian type of football, Lane Kiffin type of football, they're still playing a type of football that was popping and hot when Nick Saban made the decision that he was going to change the dynamic of his team, therefore change the dynamic of the league. Everybody else is kind of still stuck in playing a soft version of football. This is actually not the sec. I went and crunched numbers about the rushing totals from the SEC this year, as opposed to the Big Ten, as opposed to some of the other conferences. The SEC is not running the ball. They're not controlling clock. They're not doing any of that stuff. But the teams that are doing that are dominating college football. The SEC is behind college football now in philosophy, in the way that they go about the game. They're not playing the game in a way that the game is actually being won anymore. That is the biggest change other than anything. The players and the personnel. Everybody keeps talking about that, but if you look at Indiana, that doesn't even make any sense. If you look at Indiana, you can look at them and say that it's obviously not the personnel. That is the end all, be all of why teams are winning in college football. It's the way that they're approaching the game. And the SEC is actually behind that. They're playing a soft, flashy brand of college football that was more in vogue four or five years ago than it is right now. And if they don't change that, then they'll continue to lose for a little while longer and they probably will.

[Tate]

I like that. Parting shot. A little take on the sec. Joel. Parting shots. Any last thoughts from you?

[Joel]

Yeah, No, I think one thing.

[Tate]

Yeah.

[Joel]

No. See, man, let me get my off.

[Tate]

See?

[Joel]

Come on.

[Tate]

I'm sorry.

[Joel]

Come on, man. See, that's why. Anyway, so I hope the NCAA reconsiders on the Trinidad Chambliss waiver, that, you know, that they approve him and they allow him to play back at Ole Miss next year. Because that kid was. Is really, really good. And I'd love to see him with another year of growth behind him and just, you know, and playing.

[Tate]

Lane Kiffin.

[Joel]

Yeah, man. Like, I just. I. College football. He was one of the best stories in college football this year. This kid that was playing in Division two football went somewhere to be a backup, and then not only did he start, like, he wasn't just a guy, he was one of the best quarterbacks in the country this year, and I hope we get to see more of that. But the other thing is, too, man, the money people paid for this stuff, the teams. What did you share, Van? What is that? What did you share in the chat? Do I got to look?

[Van Lathan]

Just click it.

[Tate]

It's the parting shot. All right, Parting shots, pictures, photos.

[Van Lathan]

What y' all talking about? That's.

[Joel]

I mean, but that. But that's not. That's not what it's like now, though. That's not what it's like.

[Van Lathan]

Okay. Well, yeah, that's. That right there.

[Joel]

That. Yeah. I mean, back then, yeah, but. Oh, man.

[Tate]

You want him back.

[Joel]

Channels. We want it back. And also. Yeah, man, the money. These teams, man, if you want to get. If you want to get to this point, your team has got to get their money up. And I think that's the thing about the sec, man. When the market was restricted, you know, when you couldn't play the guys, you could stack talent, you could stack defensive linemen. The reason teams are playing softer because there's a. Fewer secrets. So, you know, you. Whereas Georgia could go too deep and Alabama could go too deep on these great defensive linemen and Storm. And they would be willing to wait because, I mean, where are they going to go? You know, you can get to the league.

[Tate]

League.

[Joel]

And you probably can get.

[Tate]

And they can restrict them from leaving.

[Joel]

Yeah, yeah, right. Yeah. They had all these things there. So, you know, things have changed. And the teams like Indiana and Oregon and Miami who have done great in Ole Miss, great evaluation and development, like, that's what it's going to be. But, like, you can see the money is. Is the thing that gives you the strength to do that in Indiana. I saw that. You know, I wrote about this for the site, by the way. It was on the website, you know, about the college football's new world piece.

[Tate]

Check it out.

[Joel]

Thank you. Yeah. And Andy. Yeah. You did take. You did share it, too.

[Tate]

I think I'm always trying to support.

[Joel]

You know. I appreciate you, bro. Thanks.

[Tate]

I don't get invited to the Golden Globe parties hey, man, if I.

[Joel]

If I. If I had in. I was in town, I would have been like, t. Hey, Joe, you would have known. You wouldn't have found out on air.

[Van Lathan]

Joe, can I ask you a question?

[Tate]

And I watch out. Abbott elementary. I've been like, Quinta. I got some.

[Joel]

Ever been put on.

[Van Lathan]

On probation for having people get jobs and then get paid for their jobs without actually going to the job. Has that ever happened?

[Joel]

Like a no show jobs?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Have they ever had no show jobs at tcu?

[Joel]

I don't know. Maybe. I mean, they. They were on probation in the 80s.

[Van Lathan]

They were on probation four years ago for no show jobs. All of this stuff now that you can pay people out in the open. They was. They was. They was doing. It was four or five years ago. They was doing no show jobs at tennis. They had something called the power plant or something where kids were supposed to go work. They was going working at the power plant.

[Tate]

Every school's doing this. They all got their different.

[Van Lathan]

Every school.

[Tate]

This.

[Van Lathan]

This notion that everybody. This notion that everybody 2019.

[Joel]

Oh, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

2019. This notion that nobody was getting paid. What the hell are you guys talking about?

[Joel]

Yeah, bro. Was.

[Van Lathan]

Go down the list of programs.

[Joel]

Trouble for pay players. I heard. I had sec's feelings, man. Your whole got out there.

[Tate]

I want a power plan. Sure.

[Joel]

What was going on?

[Van Lathan]

Why. Hey, what was going on with the power plant? Why y' all was giving no show jobs?

[Joel]

I mean, to get.

[Van Lathan]

To get beat 63 to 7 at the power plant.

[Joel]

Yeah. I ain't been to the championship. Y' all haven't been to the championship since we have.

[Van Lathan]

I tell you what, though, y' all are. We. We when we was cheating, we got a championship for it.

[Joel]

I'm glad you admitted it. I glad you admitted it. Glenn Dorsey probably got a did. They had charges in. What was it?

[Van Lathan]

Probably, brother, it was probably cheating. Everybody was getting paid. What I'm saying is, I don't know about that.

[Joel]

And everybody wouldn't get cheating the same power plant.

[Van Lathan]

The power plant, bro. Power plan.

[Joel]

That's fine, man. Well, whatever. The whole point is. Whatever the point is, is it tape. You would never find out that there was a dope party at Spotify. If I was in la, man, I promise you, I would be there, you know, because y' all again, because y' all jokesters couldn't get credentialed to the. To the cfp. So I got crazy because, like, I.

[Tate]

Go to the final four every year. I got great seats, you know. Really, you get treated with respect. I don't know what happened happened.

[Joel]

Yeah, man.

[Tate]

But I think they know I'm a basketball guy. You know what I mean? I think the football guys don't like it.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, Billy said we got Coral coming on the show.

[Joel]

No, why don't we get on. Why don't we get on the show? Who was promised a couple weeks ago? I mean, there you are.

[Van Lathan]

They. They told me it wasn't allowed.

[Joel]

Oh, they didn't say that.

[Van Lathan]

I swear to God, Billy.

[Joel]

They said.

[Van Lathan]

They. They told me. They told me. First of all, I'm not even gonna put it out there like that. Like, she was begging to come on the show. That's not even the thing at all. But they told me that it was. They was. They was hesitating with the.

[Joel]

Damn.

[Van Lathan]

That's what it is, man.

[Joel]

Billy expect. See, he don't come when I. Billy, man, I asked him.

[Van Lathan]

Joe, what you gotta do, Joe, what you gotta do to make him. What you gotta do, Joe, what you gotta do? He don't like when you. When you do it. You can't make and what you gotta do, Joe.

[Joel]

All right, Joe.

[Van Lathan]

Sometimes you gotta work a little harder, bro. You know what I'm saying?

[Tate]

Glad you got your water, Joel. I'm glad we had a great time here. If you're tuning in to ring your tailgate, we appreciate everybody tuning in. Todd McShay is live right now with Minch. Go hang out with those guys. Go listen to what they got going on. He had Dante Moore going number one over Fernando Mendoza. Maybe he shifted that after this game. We'll see what happens. Billy is not showing up because Joel asked him to show up. So I assume his. Oh, no, he's here. Perfect.

[Billy]

Are you Al. So I'm here.

[Joel]

Oh, okay.

[Tate]

Thanks, Billy. Did you have any party shots? Any party shots at Joel or any last thoughts?

[Billy]

This is a good. This is a nice little Friday night, huh?

[Tate]

Yeah, it's fun.

[Joel]

It was a bella danger.

[Billy]

Everybody knows you're talking about.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. What are you talking about? Yeah. Is saying that we start off the show a little clunky, but once we hit our stride, we was doing our thing.

[Joel]

So that's what's up. I appreciate y', all, man. Shout out.

[Tate]

Was that the AI recap of it?

[Billy]

The air recap thinks that people were excited about the show because people kept saying, raise the roof.

[Tate]

Oh, nice.

[Billy]

So we confused AI. Yeah.

[Tate]

Yeah. It's easy to do these days. Appreciate everybody tuning in to ring your tailgate. A fun Friday night. We're back on Wednesday. We'll break down the championship game. And as Joel alluded to, we'll be all together in Los Angeles to watch the championship game. We'll go live as it's happening in real time. Joel's still upset about it, but we're going to have a fun time and it's going to be a good week leading into the national championship game. Appreciate everybody tuning in and we will see you guys on Wednesday. Must be 21 or older in President select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 and older in President D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem call 1-800- gambler or visit rghelp.com, call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut or visit MD gambling help.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gambling helpline ma.org or call 800-327-5050 for 27 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8-HOPE NY or text hopeny in New.