Championship Weekend LIVE REACTIONS: Who Reigns Supreme in the SEC? And #1 vs.#2 | Ringer Tailgate

Summary

Ringer Tailgate – Championship Weekend LIVE REACTIONS

Episode Date: December 7, 2025
Hosts: Van Lathan, Joel Anderson, Tate Frazier ("Billy" on transcript)
Theme: Conference Championship Weekend LIVE – Reactions to CFB Chaos, Who Reigns Supreme in the SEC?, and Debates over Playoff Selection

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Episode Overview

This lively, unfiltered live episode of Ringer Tailgate brings Van, Joel, and Billy together during college football's championship weekend. The trio jump into instant analysis and wild banter as key games unfold: SEC, Big Ten, and ACC championships all under the microscope. They debate the playoff chaos resulting from Alabama’s loss, Texas Tech’s historic win, the never-ending “who gets in?” playoff debate, the fate of Notre Dame and Miami, ACC drama, coaching changes, and more—mixing sharp analysis with running jokes, sports culture hot takes, and self-deprecating humor.

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Main Topics and Takeaways

1. The Eternal Playoff Debate: It Never Ends

• Van’s “I Told You So” on Playoff Debates ([02:21])
  • Van asserts, “There's always a goddamn debate over who the fifth team is,” noting expansion won’t end controversy. “If it was a 24-team playoff, the argument over the 25th team will occur.”
  • The hosts collectively agree: the “who’s left out?” drama is intrinsic to college football and, honestly, part of its fun.
• Joel Doubles Down on Inevitable Controversy ([04:31])
  • “Whatever the barrier is for entry, people are going to be worrying about who didn’t make it in ...” – Joel Anderson.
  • All agree that, even with 12 playoff teams, the snub arguments will never stop.
• Notable Quote:
  • Van: “Welcome to the last 50 years. And there doesn’t seem to be a way to answer this question that is going to satisfy people. This is a part of the sport. Enjoy it.” ([03:03])

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2. Live Game Reactions: SEC, Big Ten, ACC

• SEC Fallout – Bama, Georgia, and Politics ([30:13])
  • The group discusses whether Alabama’s performance kept them in the playoff.
  • Van dismisses the idea that a lackluster performance alone could doom Bama: “I don’t think anything was gonna keep Bama out of the playoff besides a generational drubbing” ([30:36])
  • They allege committee politics: keeping the SEC engaged is a top priority.
• Big Ten Showdown: Indiana vs. Ohio State ([87:27]–[90:00])
  • Real-time breakdown as underdog Indiana takes a late lead on Ohio State.
  • “The idea that Indiana is up on Ohio State late in this game, it’s incredible ... we could actually win the national championship this year.” – Joel ([87:52])
  • Signetti’s coaching lauded: “If Kurt Signetti does this in his second year at Indiana ... this has got to be the greatest coaching job” – Joel ([102:00])
• ACC Chaos – Duke, Virginia, and Playoff Fallout ([12:52], [13:09])
  • Duke, a five-loss team, puts Virginia on the ropes live; hosts marvel at the absurdity and implications for the playoff.
  • “If Duke really loved the ACC, wouldn't they throw this game?” – Billy, poking fun at the logic of conference politics when the league’s playoff hopes are at stake ([14:13])
  • Van, sarcastic: “Nobody’s throwing a game for the good of the conference. If I’m Duke and I win the game, I start my own playoff push!” ([14:34])
• Texas Tech’s Historic Big 12 Win ([15:23])
  • Joel: “This is the biggest day in Texas Tech football history, at least in my lifetime.” ([15:23])
  • Van compliments Tech's defense and balance but questions their national championship ceiling.

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3. Playoff Selection Debates: Who’s In, Who’s Out?

• BYU, Notre Dame, Miami, the Multi-Loss Dilemma ([19:53]–[25:16])
  • Joel stands firmly: “If you lose twice to the same team, you’re out.”
  • Van pokes at inconsistencies in the logic for playoff selection—strength of schedule, loss quality, and snub precedent.
  • The Miami vs. Notre Dame debate: Host consensus wavers, but there’s acknowledgment the committee could flip them at the 11th hour, despite past rankings and direct results ([41:14], [44:53]).
    • “If they put Alabama in between Miami and Notre Dame ... that can be their way to weasel out,” warns Billy ([44:53]).
  • On precedent: “There is no precedent ... they've changed the rules” – Billy ([44:53])
  • Legal threats loomed if Notre Dame is snubbed for Miami—though all agree “we played and I won” is a trump card for head-to-head ([45:41]).

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4. Media and Cultural Sidebars: What Makes College Football ‘More’

• SEC: “It Just Means More” ([24:50])
  • Hosts rib one another on “It Just Means More,” the SEC slogan, as Joel argues a two-loss SEC team could be more deserving than a one-loss Big 12 team: “We suspect they're pretty good ... it's possible they could still be national champion caliber” ([24:55]).
• Playoff Committee, Need for a CFB ‘Commissioner’ ([56:29])
  • Nick Saban calls for a CFB commissioner; hosts debate appropriate committee structures and propose more transparency for member selection.
  • “I think that there needs to be a little bit more centralization...” – Van ([56:29])
• Old School Memories and Running Gags ([32:14]–[39:02])
  • Hosts riff on being old enough to remember the pre-playoff era, the Challenger explosion, obscure TV shows, and more—lightening the serious discussions.

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5. Coaching Carousel and Program Rebuilds

• Penn State’s Hire of Matt Campbell ([69:35]–[75:51])
  • Van: “A good hire, young, energetic coach ... the timing seems terrible now, but they got a lot of resources.”
  • Joel questions the ceiling: “At a job like Penn State, I would kind of just rather have a guy that got five stars ... it’s going to be very tough for you to develop three stars into guys that are going to be able to compete with Ohio State.”
• Wazoo’s Coaching Moves Under Scrutiny ([75:51])
  • Billy critiques Jimmy Rogers’ hiring: “He [Rogers] sabotaged the start of the season ... I would not be encouraged to be bringing in Jimmy Rogers.”

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6. Heisman Discussion: Who Deserves It?

• Contenders, Stats, and the Value of ‘Most Important’ ([102:43]–[109:39])
  • Mendoza (Indiana), Diego Pavia (Vandy), and other dark horse candidates debated passionately, with both stats and “impact on the team” weighed.
  • “I think Diego Pavia should be the Heisman this year ... he’s meant more to his team than anybody else in the country.” – Joel ([103:13])
  • Van and Joel compare stats and resumes with recent underwhelming Heisman years, especially Eric Crouch.
  • “If you're not actually giving it to who we think the best player in college football is, who’s the most important? Who's done the most?” ([104:26])

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7. Memorable Moments & Running Jokes

• Raising the Roof, Houston Comets, and Credit Battles ([08:01], [29:10])
  • Van and Joel razz each other over the origin of “raising the roof,” giving overdue credit to the Houston Comets.
• Physical Size and "Who Would You Rob?" Hypotheticals ([81:07]–[83:46])
  • The hosts humorously compare their heights/weights on air, leading to a bit where Joel asserts he “doesn’t look like an easy mark.”
• Locker Room Tussles and the Meaning of Masculinity ([85:25])
  • Extended riffing on wrestling in high school and college, affection/masculinity, and “tussling” as a show of affection or dominance.

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Notable Quotes and Timestamp Highlights

• On Playoff Drama:
  • “There's always a goddamn debate over who the fifth team is. … Welcome to the last 50 years. … This is a part of the sport. Enjoy it.” – Van ([02:48]–[03:39])
• On SEC Privilege:
  • “If you go through the [SEC] conference with one loss, you should probably make the College Football Playoff, right?” – Van ([23:26])
• On Texas Tech:
  • “This is the biggest day in Texas Tech football history, at least in my lifetime.” – Joel ([15:23])
• On Notre Dame-Miami Playoff Debate:
  • “The team that won the game has to go in ... If not, line everybody up in t-shirts and shorts, let them run the 40 ...” – Van ([46:21])
• On Alabama’s Playoff Spot:
  • “I don’t think anything was gonna keep Bama out ... besides a generational drubbing.” – Van ([30:36])
• On Heisman Voting:
  • “I think Diego Pavia should be the Heisman this year ... meant more to his team than anybody else in the country.” – Joel ([103:13])

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Key Timestamps for Deep Dives

• [02:21] – Playoff debate never-ending, Van’s "I told you so."
• [15:23] – Texas Tech’s Big 12 triumph celebrated.
• [30:13] – Alabama-Georgia, SEC playoff politics.
• [44:53] – Notre Dame vs. Miami vs. Alabama selection scenarios.
• [56:29] – Should college football have a “commissioner”?
• [69:35] – Penn State’s Matt Campbell hire and program rebuild talk.
• [87:27] – Indiana leading Ohio State live, significance unpacked.
• [102:43] – Heisman candidate discussion (Mendoza, Pavia).
• [108:31] – Reviewing Mendoza’s stats, Heisman resume.

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Language, Tone & Format

• Tone: Smart, irreverent, energetic, self-effacing; a mix of serious analysis and off-the-rails humor.
• Language: Conversational, slightly profane, full of playful ribbing and inside jokes.
• Attribution: Quotes and opinions are labeled by speaker and timestamp for clarity.

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For New Listeners: Why This Episode Is a Must-Listen

If you want comprehensive, real-time reactions to the chaos of college football’s championship weekend—mixed with sharp insights and the fun energy of sports bar banter—this is your episode. The wide-ranging discussion covers playoff controversies, live game pivots, coaching news, meta-sports culture, and the very spirit of college football: deserving teams, unending debates, and the camaraderie that keeps fans coming back every Saturday.

Don’t miss:

• The hosts’ passionate arguments about playoff selection fairness and inevitability.
• Live emotional swings as underdogs challenge bluebloods on the field.
• The spirited debates on “who actually deserves the Heisman,” with unusual nominees.
• The irreverent breaks into culture, history, and sports media, giving the show its unique, engaging flavor.
• Off-the-cuff, hilarious moments—from “raise the roof” origin wars to physical size showdowns.

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For more:

• Ringer Tailgate’s next episode will react to official CFP rankings and continue their season-long tradition of making the complicated fun (and sometimes a little bit chaotic).

End on their mantra:
"Let’s raise our roof!" ([111:36])

Transcript

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[Billy]

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Welcome to the Ringer Tailgate Saturday edition. We are live right now. It's Conference Championship weekend. We are all fired up. We got Joel Anderson in the TCU sweatshirt. We got Van Lathan in the LSU sweatshirt. He's already raised. Should we all raise the roof? Should we start raise the roof?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Yeah. That's our welcome in. Welcome up. You know we G's.

[Van Lathan]

You know, you know we some G's.

[Joel Anderson]

Know we some G's.

[Billy]

We got a lot to get to Conference championship weekend. Like I said right now we got the ACC championship game happening. 7 7, Duke, Virginia. We also got number one versus number two Indiana versus Ohio State. So we'll talk about those games. Ring your tailgate is presented by fanduel. Fanduel's got it all. Same game parlays, quick bets for jumping in. Live your way so you can build the bet that fits your play. Plus, you don't want to miss out on holiday offers and surprises all month long. Download the FanDuel app and head to FanDuel.com tailgate to get started. Must be 21 or older and present in select states or 18 and older and present in D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800- gambler or visit rg-health.com call 1-887-897777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut first and foremost, let's talk about the kind of ripple effects here. We got a lot of games that have already happened. We'll start with one big reaction. We'll just get right into a van. We've got some answers to some questions going into the day. We also got a lot of debacles about what's going to be the fallout based on Alabama's performance. So one big reaction. Is it SEC related? Because it does just mean more. I know you've told us that multiple times.

[Van Lathan]

My one big reaction is and I told you so.

It'S an I told you so for everyone.

[Billy]

Good.

[Van Lathan]

I told you guys that this would always be our reality. We're at a four team playoff, right? And people were talking about, oh my God, not enough teams are getting in. There's always a goddamn.

Debate over who the fifth team is. It wouldn't matter, guys, if it was a 24 team playoff. The argument over the 25th team will occur.

[Billy]

North Tech, they should be in.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

There are 12 teams that are going into the playoff, right? 12 teams. And we're arguing about the 13th. We're arguing about the 14th. We're arguing about the 15th. For everyone that is complaining about the state of college football and how college football is so broken because they can't decide who should play for the national championship. Welcome to the last 50 years. And there doesn't seem to be a way to answer this question in any type of way that is going to satisfy people. This is a part of the sport. Enjoy it.

[Billy]

Yeah. And it's always kind of been a part of the sport. We even have Notre Dame fans trying to claim the 1993 national championship, you know, in 2025, because of some of the bylaws and some of the precedents that are being set in these times. Joel, your thoughts on what Van just said. Do you think this is just a product of the environment that we've created, which is the chaos of college football?

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, it was always going to be this. Van is right. That's why I'm surprised. Van acting like he came up with that idea, because I think that everybody said that. Everybody said.

[Van Lathan]

Nobody said but me.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, you went. No, you weren't the only person.

[Billy]

This is Van.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, do you know a lot of.

[Joel Anderson]

People are like, yeah, man, they're gonna be complaining about.

[Van Lathan]

That's what everybody did. But did I not have your props? Why don't you give me my props?

[Joel Anderson]

Well, I mean, if it was, if you had done something truly that was deserving of it, that's fine. I really did invent raising the roof. I'm not sure.

I. Look, man, I, I feel like that was kind of a, A basic fact is like, oh, man, whatever, whatever. The, the, the, the barrier is for entry. People are going to be worrying about who's. Who didn't make it in. And yeah, if we expand it to 16, they're going to be talking about the 17th and 18th ranked teams or this group of five team that is, that should be getting consideration and isn't ranked yet. It's always going to be like this. And that's why we've got to stop. We don't need any more teams. I think we're fine. I think also the fact that we could potentially have. So what, Bama lost, right? And. And who else? Who else? Who else lost? Is there going to be another 3 loss team?

[Van Lathan]

Bama lost. BYU lost.

[Joel Anderson]

BYU lost too.

[Van Lathan]

That big. Big 12 was looking dominant today.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's good defense, man. If that game. If that game had been held.

[Van Lathan]

Looked dominant today.

[Joel Anderson]

If that game had been held. If that game had been held in Lexington. If that game had been held in.

[Van Lathan]

Lexington and it was Kentucky, we should look at Tennessee.

[Joel Anderson]

Y' all been like, oh, we could.

[Van Lathan]

Probably find four teams from Duh, Duh Big 12 anymore. It's Duh Big 12 that deserve to be in the playoff. I can't believe all of this SEC dick licking while the Big 12 look.

[Joel Anderson]

That's right. Man, you really beat me to it because I was gonna talk about that dick riding today. So you really. You got. You got in there. But, but no, man, I. I really. I really do think that we. We're. We're done. We don't need any more teams. Any. The fact that Bama is going to get in there and we've seen them lose to a 5 and 7 team. We saw them get dominated in this. In this SEC championship and they lost to. Oh, you who is not good. Oh, you just. I'm sorry they lost to OU at home. I just.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, you is in the playoff.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, but I think that like anybody. Anybody that sees that offense knows that they're like, they're. They're overrated in part because they got a favorable job in the. In the. In the sec and they got Michigan in a year where, look, that's a win that looks more impressive on paper than it actually is. I think even OU fans would have to admit that, like, this is not one of your vintage Sooners teams. Like, I've seen great Sooners teams. This isn't one of them. But yeah, they will make the playoffs. But again, I just. We've got four to five teams that could win the national championship. And you know, it's fine that we expanded it to 12, but it's always going to look like this. Like we're always going to be complaining about it. Shout out to Van for being the first person to ever think of that.

[Van Lathan]

I didn't say I was the first person.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

All I said was that I said it. Let me tell you something like that. Roll it up.

[Joel Anderson]

We have to talk.

[Van Lathan]

I want to give I want to give credit to the Duke early in this. In this show right here. I want to give credit.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, all right.

[Van Lathan]

Because he brought. He brought.

[Billy]

The Duke is at Disney, by the way.

[Joel Anderson]

Is that why you in the hotel? Is that why. Oh, yeah.

[Billy]

He's reporting live from Disney World. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Come on in, Billy.

[Van Lathan]

You had Disney World. The. Dude, you look like you're held hostage by Al Qaeda.

[Billy]

You want to see. You want it? You want to see something?

[Joel Anderson]

Look at this. Look at.

[Billy]

Look at this.

[Joel Anderson]

Hold on, man.

[Billy]

These. These are the walls. I'm in a little corner. This isn't even like a wide. Like an alcove.

[Joel Anderson]

Where are you at?

[Billy]

I'm. I'm hiding in a room.

[Van Lathan]

In the hotel room.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Billy]

To not wake up my family.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, wow. Okay, look. Well, I give credit to the Duke for something, because we knew that Joel was a hater, but we didn't know that he hated black women. We have to break this part out.

[Joel Anderson]

Excuse me. Now.

[Van Lathan]

You know what?

[Joel Anderson]

I did not think that you were going to talk about this in front of everybody else. That was. That's pretty.

[Van Lathan]

We have to break this part out because what the Duke was able to bring up is Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

Hold on, hold on.

[Van Lathan]

Because what we have. What we're trying to do on this show and in society is have conversations that bring people together. And one conversation that we're having, like, ad nauseam in society is about centering men and about how in society, sometimes men always feel like they have to be the center of a story or the center of anything to make it great. There are women in Houston that invented Raising the roof. That's a Houston Comets basketball team. But Joel and his toxic group of Houston scum friends, they decided that they were going to take credit away from these black women who introduced this and say that they came up with it.

[Joel Anderson]

And they're telling us. I told people that the Houston comments popularized it.

[Van Lathan]

When it comes time to actually support women.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Recognize stuff that they've done, he's not there for it. He says he did it. So I apologize to dude for bringing that up.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

For the show.

[Joel Anderson]

I give. I give the comments all props. They won the first four WNBA championships. I'm a big fan of them. They. They did it in Clutch City, which is what we call Houston. So great. Fantastic. The comments did that. And, yeah, they did nationally popularize Raise the Roof in conjunction with Luke Luther Campbell, who did his song Raise the Roof. But the. The story is. And if you saw some of the clips that were circulating on the Internet after I told this story. There were stories that talked of the young black social set in Houston popularizing at first. So we know that. And I was. I mean, look, the fact of the matter is that I was part of.

[Van Lathan]

That cheerleading squad somewhere or a group of young black women.

[Joel Anderson]

You can dismiss my.

[Van Lathan]

I didn't.

[Joel Anderson]

Nobody. It's not going to show up. My name's not going to show up on Wikipedia saying that I did it. I understand. That's fine. Okay. Yeah, not yet. Not yet.

[Van Lathan]

But.

[Joel Anderson]

But. But it's so. But that's fine. But the point of the matter is, is that I was there. You know, I know that nobody did it before.

[Billy]

Not anyone or name names. But I believe someone said, if they were so influential, why are they nowhere to be seen now?

[Joel Anderson]

What's the. The raise the roof?

[Billy]

No, the comments.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, the comments.

[Billy]

Someone said, where are they now? They didn't move the needle.

[Van Lathan]

Well, do you know what.

[Billy]

And then followed it up with, I'm still here.

[Joel Anderson]

Who said that?

[Van Lathan]

You know what happened? You know what happened.

[Joel Anderson]

Wait, okay, hold on. Is that what we're gonna do now? Is that what we're gonna do? The things that we talk about before the show, is that.

[Van Lathan]

Is that.

[Joel Anderson]

Is that it? Is that the rule? Hold on.

[Van Lathan]

I just say what. Say one last thing.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

What happened to the Houston Comments? The Houston Comments are one of the pioneering franchises of the WNBA, right? The.1 of the pioneering franchises of the WNBA put the league on their back. But what happened was there weren't enough people that respected what the Houston Comets brought to the WNBA and all of the pioneering things that they did for the WNBA and for culture.

[Joel Anderson]

So.

[Van Lathan]

So the Houston Comets got kind of swept away. That's what happens when somebody else takes responsibility.

[Joel Anderson]

It was poor for stuff that they tried to raise the roof.

[Van Lathan]

They tried ownership. They could do it because of guys like Joel.

[Billy]

Straight up, it was a glass ceiling there when they.

[Joel Anderson]

Spoiled the. Not me.

[Van Lathan]

Not.

[Joel Anderson]

Not me. Not me. Not getting my deserved props for inventing that. I mean, what. It's not like I'm going get no money out of it. Nobody is going to be like, hey, you the dude to invent raise the roof. You cool?

[Van Lathan]

Cool.

[Joel Anderson]

Like, nobody is saying that. I'm not. It's like me taking ownership of this is not doing anything for me. I just think the record should reflect what actually happened.

[Van Lathan]

Anyway, well, back to football.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Billy]

Oh, man.

[Joel Anderson]

The chat, by the way, is asking you a big Kim Moki fan. Fan. Is that your girl?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. All right. Supporter 100. You buying?

[Van Lathan]

I'm into it. And you know why? Because guess what?

[Joel Anderson]

I like her out of America.

[Van Lathan]

You know, I order, I ordered something from Instacart today. It came there. It was convenient. Guess what probably happened for me to get to Instacart. Some terrible. So all the. That y' all talking about. Oh my God, you like her. You like her, you like her. You're talking right now on the Internet. You, you, you're. You're, you're a slave to techno feudalism. So shut up.

[Billy]

Against Duke the other day, you know, just Joel bringing down another woman.

[Joel Anderson]

Another woman. If you say, if you say that I brought down Kim Moki, that's cool. I don't care about that. That's not. Oh, Duke, man, Duke about to make a problem for people tonight. Man. I, I love the. Duke just won't go the away, man. I just, I love it.

[Billy]

He just went away just as you said that.

[Joel Anderson]

Yes. Yeah. Oh, did you just see that? It just pop up on yours. Nate Shepard 16 yard touchdown run. Duke up 13 to 7, six minutes to go in the first half. Man, just, it just. This is the perfect ACC thing. Like nobody's in the stands. Virginia does not want to be there. They only, they only have something to lose tonight. The weather looks miserable and a five loss team is putting it on. On. Is putting it on the best team's ass.

[Billy]

Also a team that they destroyed a couple of weeks ago, which is, you know, not good for them.

[Joel Anderson]

You know how I feel about this? I feel like if I, if you beat a team once, you should not have to play them again within the same season. Unless it's like you know, a course of random setup in the playoff or something. But, but especially if you beat they ass. I feel like this, the acc, the ACC could have done a thing. They could have really easily had a rule that said, well, the top two ranked teams that are eligible should be able to play in the conference championship. And then they could have Miami in this game and it wouldn't even be.

[Billy]

In a, a precedent that's set. You know what I mean? It's already a thing that's in the American Conference. They have it. So if there's a tiebreaker, it's the highest ranked team in the CFP that goes to the championship game. So the ACC could adopt that for next season to avoid this type of controversy. I didn't want to ask you guys this just about the acc. If Duke really loved the acc, wouldn't.

[Joel Anderson]

They throw this game, man?

[Billy]

Because if they win this game, there's Nobody from the ACC potentially in the.

[Van Lathan]

Playoff just do got to continue to do their thing. You can't be throwing games out here. You know what I'm saying?

[Joel Anderson]

You think do give a. About anybody else anyway?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Billy]

I mean, you care about the conference. If it was the SEC who chants sec, and they're all about the conference and conference pride, I feel like they would throw a game, you know, for the good.

[Van Lathan]

Nobody's throwing a game for the good of the conference. If. If I'm Duke and I win the game, I start my old playoff push. I'm a conference champion. I won the conference. I should be in there.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, if I'm Duke and I win this game, I'm not about to go to the back of the bus and chill there. I'm going like Joel would want black women to do.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm going to.

[Van Lathan]

If I'm Duke, I'm going to say I am the ACC champion. I have five losses. That is fine. But put me in the College Football Playoff. I want a power conference.

[Billy]

Well, they're going to have to deal with the James Madison Dukes. It seems like if they do win this game, the Dukes will probably jump Duke. Let's get back to one big reaction, Joel. I'm sure yours is related to Texas Tech dominating that Big 12 championship game, man.

[Joel Anderson]

So this is the biggest day in Texas Tech football history, at least in my lifetime. Right. So this is the first outright league title they've won since 1956, when. When the. The teams looked a little bit different back then. They've only won shares of the title. So that was. That was almost, what, 70 years ago. They've won shares in 76 and 94 and. Nonsense. So it's been 30 years since they've even really been in contention to win a share of the conference title. You could live a whole generation of your life and never see what you saw today. It's. And it's just not easy to do that out there at Lubbock, man. I don't think people understand Joey McGuire, the head coach. He wasn't like Todd Dodge, Gus Malzahn, Chad Harris, Chad Morris or Hugh Freeze, where they, like, you know, had like, basically private schools or public schools, were effectively private schools, and they built a powerhouse and got to go to College, man. Joey McGuire coached out there, bro. And like, south, like, southwest side of Dallas, man, like Duncanville DeSoto. He built up a school that didn't even have a reputation called Cedar Hill. So he's a different cat already, man. And so you can kind of see, when Tech has apparently had this vision for a while about how to build a program out there at a place that is very difficult to do that. And, man, it's just the salute to the Red Raiders. And not only that. I mean, man, cfp, do the right thing. Give them one of them buys, man. I mean, this is a legitimate title contender. Yeah, this is a national contender right here, man. I really, like. I don't know what you all think. I think Van said the game sucked because he doesn't have any respect for anybody that plays, you know, west of Lake Charles in college football. But true. Okay, you don't.

[Van Lathan]

I respect. I respect Oregon.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. All right.

[Billy]

Usc.

[Joel Anderson]

Do you not respect that Texas Tech defense that you saw today?

[Van Lathan]

I think the Texas Tech. The Texas Tech defense is fantastic. I think I said it earlier. I think Texas Tech is one of the. One of the best balanced teams.

In. In college football. I. I don't know how you watched that game today and thought that either one of those teams had a legitimate shot at the national championship. We'll see. Maybe.

[Joel Anderson]

We'll.

[Van Lathan]

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong, but it.

[Joel Anderson]

It.

[Van Lathan]

That did not look like the best showcase of football. You talk about byu. BYU looked pitiful out there today. They did. And, and, and to be fair, guess what? Guess what? To be fair, so did Alabama. I guess the only difference is that Alabama was sitting a bunch of guys and all of that stuff, but Alabama did not play well today. He. Ty Simpson looked like a little daddy out there. A little daddy.

[Joel Anderson]

I know that's. That's your name. That's your name for him, Daddy.

[Van Lathan]

But, but. Yeah, but Texas Tech from. From everything that they've done, they. I think they definitely deserve a buy. And, you know, we'll see how their brand of football stacks up against the rest of the playoff.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man, that's. I mean, that. The thing is, is that. And I. I was thinking about this earlier. I understand that this isn't even. Probably one of the top five Texas Tech offenses I've seen in my lifetime. Right? Like a lot of those leech offenses. Yeah, like those leech offenses, even when they had, like, Byron, Hans Bar, the Bam Morris or Y' all don't even go back to James Gray. Like, I remember watching James Gray play for Texas Tech in the late 80s, and they, like, they don't have a star. And so that's the kind of thing that I think kind of throws people off because Texas Tech doesn't have an offense that seems explosive. It's just Efficient. But that defense, man, that defense, that defensive line, man, like that is linebackers. Those linebackers, bro, they, they have a legit defense, man. It's gonna, they're going to be in games because it's hard to score on them. Like, I don't know what it'll look like against Ohio State. Ohio State's a different cat. Ohio State could, could, can, can wear anybody out and make anybody look bad. But other than that, man, I really think Tech can, I mean, they can, they can pretty much rock with anybody right now. I think with that defense.

[Billy]

They also built a blueprint on the portal too, right? We talked about it, preseason, about a team that basically went all in on the portal, said we're going to try to build a team out of the portal. And this is what they get. They get a team that's obviously gelled well, that is very mature. I mean, even pregame they're doing like, you know, kind of the, the check ins with the team and, you know, they're just like, yeah, we love each other. And that's, you know, all. McGuire. We got to give him a lot of credit. He even said after the game that there should be two teams from the Big 12 in the CFP. Joel, you don't, you don't agree with that. The propaganda.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm a Big 12 partisan. You know that if there was a way that I could lie to y' all and say, man, BYU got to be in there, but BYU has gotten their ass kicked by Tech twice. Enough of y'. All. I don't need to see that. I've seen enough. You can. If even if you somehow inexplicably won a national championship, I know you're not a better football team than Texas Tech. I don't feel like you could be the national champion in that way. And like this whole tournament is about determining a national champion. And so, you know, they, BYU had a great season. I'm sure that there's a great bowl. I don't know, maybe the Orange. I don't know what bowl they could play in, but they don't need to be in the playoff, bro.

[Billy]

Pop Tarts.

[Joel Anderson]

No.

[Van Lathan]

No BYU in the playoff.

[Joel Anderson]

No BYU in the playoffs.

[Van Lathan]

So they only lost. Okay, so. But you think Notre Dame should be in the playoff?

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I think that they have. Yeah. I mean, I think that, you know, like them, Miami, Alabama, you know, any of those three that are on the edge should be there. I don't think BYU is. Because it's not that, it's not just that they lost twice to the same team, a really good team.

[Billy]

That was your role last week though, Joel. Right. If you lose twice to the same team, you're out.

[Joel Anderson]

You lose twice to the same team, you're out. And also you got your ass kicked in both games like it was. These games were not close in the third and late in the third quarter. So I just, I felt like BYU's had his chance. They've shown that they can't be a national champion. That's, and that's, there's no, there's no offense. It used to be okay to end the year and people be like, well, you don't win a national championship, but you get to go to a bowl game. They still get to go to a go bowl game, but they don't need.

[Van Lathan]

To be a player. I guess my, my question is if they only have two losses, they're a two loss team. They're a one loss regular season team. So we should say that. Right? Because if we're counting the, they're only a two loss team because we're, we're counting the, the, the championship game. So the regular season, they're only a one loss team, right?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

And they dominated the slaughterhouse of the Big 12.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Right. They went through the murderer's role.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Of the Big 12.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. It is tough. A lot of good, A lot of good teams right now you see what Arizona State almost did y' all Kings last year. What did Arizona State almost do to your Kings?

[Van Lathan]

They went through the slaughterhouse of the Big 12 and they only lost one game.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I had to hear, I had to hear so much about how good, about how good Florida was. They got, they won three games, man. Three and nine to Florida. You have to go down to the Swamp about Florida. You have to go down to the Swamp.

[Van Lathan]

You, you're, you're doing that thing where you contradict yourself again because you talk about how Big 12 is.

[Billy]

Those are the comments right now.

[Van Lathan]

Then they lost in the championship game.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, no, same team.

[Van Lathan]

Right. But they are not a playoff team.

[Joel Anderson]

They're not a playoffs.

[Van Lathan]

12 is a legitimate conference.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

They only lost one game. And I just don't understand.

[Joel Anderson]

I just think in terms of opportunity, you like, with some teams, they lose in such a way so decisively that we can make a determination about the kind of team they are. And like it's not, it's not just anybody can count and look at the record and say, man, well, they got one loss. They must be pretty good. Well, why don't people say that for James Madison then you know what I'm saying?

[Van Lathan]

They're about to make the playoff. Yeah, but, but understand, but they're not even.

[Joel Anderson]

They're just not got ranked.

[Van Lathan]

But understand you, you, you're doing that, you're. You're doing the Donald Trump thing.

[Joel Anderson]

No. You're trying to fight. No.

Don't talk about Billy's guy like.

[Van Lathan]

That and all of that stuff.

You said that the Big 12 was good.

[Joel Anderson]

So what I'm saying is I do think it's good.

[Van Lathan]

Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

Just.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, so if the Big 12 is good and you go through the conference with one loss, you should probably make the College Football Playoff, right?

[Joel Anderson]

No, I don't, I don't, I don't feel that way. I don't like that. I feel, and I feel like this can be consistent. I just feel like especially because of the sec, they probably have more teams that deserve to be in there four to five because they've got, they've got really, you know, teams that have one to two losses and they played schedules in such a way that you can't really make a determination about that championship medal. Like, they didn't like this is why kind of, I think, oh, you is a suspect team because they lost to Texas. I really don't think Texas is that great. And I look at that offense and how they, you know, how they played down the stretch, I just don't think that that's a very good team. I don't feel like they could be a national champion. So I'm like, I'm eliminating teams before we even have to start talking about, you know, the playoff. I know we got to. There's a bracket to fill. But when I'm looking at the teams within the leagues, I'm like, all right, well, they haven't done enough. Like, that's why I kind of feel like Vandy should get a shot because I'm like, well, Vandy, you know, they have a pretty good record. You know, I don't, I don't know definitively that they're bad. Like the losses they had were not that bad. And so I'm looking at them like.

[Van Lathan]

So I'll leave it. So what you're saying is Vandy should get a shot and that a two loss regular season SEC team.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Should get a shot over a one loss.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. But that can I.

[Billy]

It just means more.

[Van Lathan]

It just means more. It just. We, we know, we know, we know.

[Joel Anderson]

We know less about that. We know less about that team. We know that we can suspect. We Suspect they're pretty good. But between the, the, the way that they've lost and the. How many losses they have, I'm like, it's possible that they could still be national champion caliber. They haven't lost in such a way that like, disqualifies them. BYU has lost in ways that is disqualifying. Even if it was only.

[Billy]

I love the game. They lost two Duke, the Dukes and Billy Gill. The Duke. Billy Gill obviously is ready to chime in on Joel's, you know, articulation here. No, no, I'm not, I'm not coming after you. No, me.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Billy]

We're allies, I think.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't know. All right. Okay. All right.

[Billy]

Did you, did you guys see before you get off of Vandy, because I feel like we're not going to talk about Vandy again today. Did you see the reports that Vandy was reaching out to Miami and I think Notre Dame and other teams to try to get an extra game in this week just to make their case. I feel like if they were a bubble team, even though all the other teams turn them down, I'd move them ahead of some of the teams that reportedly turned them down. Right. Like they wanted to play. They're scared. Find anyone? Yeah, you can't be trusted with a.

[Joel Anderson]

Ballot because you would.

[Billy]

Why is that?

[Joel Anderson]

Wouldn't you? Yeah, you would. You, you would move a team down because they'd be like, well, I heard Vandy call. You just heard Vandy called y' all.

[Billy]

Let'S team a second ago.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, I'm just saying this is funny. Like you would. I just don't think that that's, that's not fair because they're like, we've already got our season planned out. We played our schedule. We don't need to play another game. That's kind of the problem with the opt out thing, Billy. And I'm not even trying to go at you.

[Billy]

Oh, a lot of people were excited about the opt out. Ide was buying into it.

[Joel Anderson]

Vanderbilt's like, we don't have to do. And they know that this. They, they know what? Just imagine somebody took them up on this. They, you know, Kansas State was like, oh, we ain't doing nothing.

[Billy]

Want CH's not even playing in their bowl game. Joel, they opted out of the bowl.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, they did. They've done that already.

[Billy]

That's how much they don't want to play.

[Joel Anderson]

That's how much they want to play. Yeah, that was like, USC is like, all right, well, why don't y' all come out here, we'll. We'll host y'. All. We'll play a good game. If they had to do that, there's no way. There's no way that they would want to play in that game.

[Billy]

Well, Mario Christopher said that Clark Lee was lying because Clark Lee said that he called Miami and that he said that they never got a call. They allegedly called Notre Dame. Notre Dame allegedly says that they didn't get a call. So I don't even know if this was just trying to prop up the idea, Billy, that they were willing to play anybody but also not calling anybody. But he said with two days notice, they would fly anywhere and play anybody anywhere. I like the idea of this game also, just because it's not a scheduled game, they don't have a network. So it ends up being like a CW game. We're like, oh, yeah, we're just going to stream this on Twitch if you want to watch this, like, important playoff game. Ryan Leaf is calling the game. Yeah, it'd be great.

[Van Lathan]

I honestly think it could have worked, man.

[Billy]

Me too.

[Van Lathan]

You put the game.

[Billy]

We all three, three out of four of us agree with the opt out week.

There's one descentic opinion.

[Van Lathan]

Go put it on. I care about the players.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, you know, and keeping with vans, just not caring about the health of young black men. You know, he wants to serve them up to the meat grinder for no pay, for no extra pay. Just make them play another game and potentially put that. And put that.

[Van Lathan]

They're not getting paid per game.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm sure they got bonus. I'm sure they got bonuses. You don't, you don't know what individual contract them players have.

[Van Lathan]

So what I'm. What I'm saying is this.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, just get out there and play.

[Van Lathan]

It's not about serving them up to the meat grinder. Yeah.

[Billy]

Ovain got muted. Grab, grab the deep state.

[Van Lathan]

Look, this is what I'm saying. It's not about that. Like, Joel, that's weak. What I'm saying is give them an opportunity to go and get the real, real, real shine, which is the playoff shine. Joe, I'm giving them an opportunity not to play in the tax slayer IRS bowl and actually go play for something real. You know what I'm saying? But you know, you don't want to do that.

[Joel Anderson]

That's cool.

[Van Lathan]

But the opt out week, everybody was all the rage. That's gonna happen. I'm telling you right now. Just like I was the first one to talk about the expanded playoffs and how it wouldn't I'm telling you right now.

[Joel Anderson]

I remember him, man. Nobody ever thought that the fifth seat would be mad.

[Van Lathan]

Going to happen. Wait till next year. Watch.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Billy]

How do you. How do you think you invented raise the roof? I feel like you're closer to, like, lower the se.

[Joel Anderson]

Why you bring.

[Billy]

Down and actually raise people up. No, that's not you.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, it is. You can just see that.

[Billy]

Don't you need the role? I think you need to let people know that you invented the role first. Yeah. You rolled into it.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. The roll. I got that roll.

[Billy]

Everybody get your roll on. That was stolen from Joel also.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, it's. I. I know. No, I wouldn't take credit for that. I only. Look, that's why you all.

[Van Lathan]

You.

[Joel Anderson]

You all should really consider the way I'm coming about this. I have the opportunity to make up plenty of other things. A lot about it, but I'm gonna have to. This is because this is a real story.

[Billy]

They also. The other good part of this is that the Dallas Cowboys on Thursday Night Football were raising the roof, and a lot of people were reaching out and giving Joel credit for raising the.

[Joel Anderson]

She's coming back.

[Billy]

So maybe it wasn't you creating it. Joel, if they're not going to give you credit for that, maybe they give you credit for the return of raising the roof.

[Van Lathan]

Roof.

[Joel Anderson]

So, I mean, I. You know, the thing is, is that the record is the record and people won't, you know, give me the props that I deserve. But I think me telling my own story is kind of helped the correct out there. That's right.

[Billy]

One. One big question. Can I ask this? Because this was from Cameron Gaudad, who tweeted at us. It was a good question, and I wanted to get your response. Let's talk about the SEC championship game, because that's a big deal. Georgia's defense looks like an elite defense. But here's the question. Did Bama's lone touchdown keep them in the playoff? The one touchdown drive? Because if they got shut out, I feel like the conversation's a little bit different. But they did score one touchdown. Van. Do you think that kept them in?

[Van Lathan]

I don't think anything was gonna, like, keep Bama out of the playoff besides his story. Generational drubbing, which didn't happen.

Blowout. They got drugged. But I'm talking about, like, tcu, like.

[Joel Anderson]

Michigan. That's right. Yeah.

It'S too.

That's fine.

[Van Lathan]

Like a real, real 63.

[Billy]

7. Something like that.

[Joel Anderson]

63 to 7.

[Van Lathan]

Like, something like that. Like, it would Take something like that to have kept Bama out of the playoff. And it's not necessarily even because of the football. I think we all know it's because of the politics. These conferences want these conference championship games to continue to exist. They are money drivers. I don't know how much longer they'll be money drivers, being that they are completely useless. Like right now. We talked about it. Two undefeated teams are playing for their conference championship, and the game just doesn't have very much snap. I'm sure it means a lot to these fan bases, but it's a meaningless game. But they want those games to continue to exist, at least for right now. And if you don't put Alabama into the playoff, it's over. Yeah.

[Billy]

The SEC will get rid of that game. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Yes. That's the watershed moment to make them go. No more conference championship games. Who would want to do that?

[Joel Anderson]

Why not just get rid of, like, wait, what is our. Maybe because I can remember a time in college football when there were not college. When they were not conference championship games. And, yeah, I'm that old, but I just don't like.

[Van Lathan]

You know what, Joe? I gotta say something about this. You keep doing this, like, you keep going. We'll be talking about something and you'll be like, you guys don't quite go back as long as I do.

[Billy]

Yeah, well, back in my day.

[Joel Anderson]

From South Texas.

[Billy]

When you brought up. When you brought up the joke.

[Van Lathan]

I can remember a time where there was. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Do you remember. Do you remember Major Harris? Did you see Major Harris play?

[Van Lathan]

Like, do you guys remember. Did you ever see.

[Joel Anderson]

Did you ever see Rocket Ismail Wilcox?

[Van Lathan]

He used to get out there and catch passes.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I. Did you. I. I literally remember watching the Doug Flutie Hail Mary live on tv. Right? Like, do you go back that far?

[Van Lathan]

You know, I remember watching that, but. Okay, I remember some that happened in the 80s. You're two years older than me. Go ahead.

[Joel Anderson]

Two years is a lot.

[Billy]

Two years is a lot.

[Joel Anderson]

Two years is a lot, bro. It can really. It can really influence, like, the things that you saw. I did not see. Did you see the Challenger experience?

You remember?

[Van Lathan]

Like, I saw it. I remember we went to. We went to. Because we renamed. They, like, renamed the library. What was the lady.

[Joel Anderson]

The.

[Van Lathan]

The teacher, Christina McCallough.

[Joel Anderson]

Krista McAuliffe.

[Van Lathan]

Like, they. They renamed a library in Baton Rouge after her. And I remember. Never mind. I'm not gonna tell that story because it's gonna make the kids sound like. But. But. But that. That was a. That was a big Deal when that happened. Yeah, I remember that.

[Billy]

Why are you flexing on remembering the challenger?

[Joel Anderson]

I didn't.

[Van Lathan]

Upsetting.

[Joel Anderson]

It's not. Just. I just. I'm telling you that, like, two years can make a real difference in the memories you have. Like, I remember a world in which I remember. You remember Ronald Reagan being real quick. I guess you probably do remember Ronald Reagan being president because you were old enough then.

[Van Lathan]

What?

[Joel Anderson]

Yes.

[Van Lathan]

Okay. I remember Ronald Reagan being president.

[Joel Anderson]

How many people do you think, in the chat remember Ronald Reagan?

[Billy]

That's actually the one big question. Do you remember how many people.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I remember the Reagan presidency.

[Billy]

The poll question.

[Joel Anderson]

Do you remember Jessica in the well?

[Van Lathan]

Yes. Like.

[Joel Anderson]

Like, did you watch Friday Night Videos?

[Van Lathan]

I watched Friday night. You did?

[Joel Anderson]

You remember the Small Wonder? Did you see Vic.

[Van Lathan]

Small Wonder, the robot chick? Yeah, yeah, I remember all of this stuff. Do you remember. Do you remember the.

[Billy]

It's my new favorite game. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

You remember the show where it was the doll and the doll came along alive after the place closed? Do you remember that show?

[Joel Anderson]

Hold on. No.

[Billy]

Doesn't Skeeter live Toy Story?

[Van Lathan]

No, it's not.

Who in the chat knows this dog came alive?

[Joel Anderson]

Chucky Child's Play.

[Van Lathan]

Oh. After Store Clothes.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, it's a TV show.

[Van Lathan]

It was a TV show.

[Billy]

Really? Joe, how's the chat today?

[Van Lathan]

Today's Special, People Said.

[Joel Anderson]

People RD Constant said. That's my dude. Ice. Constant said, Joel wants to relive. Terrible. This is.

Edgar. Rex. This is so unhinged. Two chains. Two chains. Yeah. Jessica in the well. Yeah. That was wild. It was. It was in the man in the Mirror video.

[Van Lathan]

By the way, I remember when they.

[Joel Anderson]

Debuted the Billie Jean video.

[Van Lathan]

Baby. Like, Baby Jessica. Can I say something about baby Jessica before we move on real quick? Baby Jessica. When I talk about America no longer being a community, I remember going to the store with my mom and when they had got Baby Jessica. Out the well. Yeah, out the. The well. And, like, one of the ladies at the thing was crying. Like, the lady that was checking out the.

[Joel Anderson]

The.

[Van Lathan]

The.

Groceries was crying.

[Joel Anderson]

Right?

[Van Lathan]

Mother's like, what's wrong with you, sweetie? And she went, they saved that sweet baby. And then my mom started crying, and then these ladies was crying together. I was like, yo, man, can I have my Snickers bar, please? Like what?

[Joel Anderson]

Like what? Like what?

[Billy]

People don't get stuck in wells anymore.

[Van Lathan]

They don't get stuck because of her.

[Joel Anderson]

It really is a lot more well, awareness. Oh, man.

[Billy]

It's like limos. Like, there's no.

[Joel Anderson]

It's amazing that she didn't die, bro. That is crazy though.

[Van Lathan]

They had to. They had to invent all kind.

[Joel Anderson]

They.

[Van Lathan]

They had going down there to get her in the whole nine. And she got. That was the penultimate moment or the. The of the Michael Jackson video where at the end you just.

[Joel Anderson]

When they pull out, it's like, I'm starting bad and then she close.

[Van Lathan]

Have you ever seen the man in the Mirror video?

[Billy]

Yeah, I have. I just. I didn't really understand like the cultural implications at the time. You know what I mean? I didn't understand. It was like a. Based on a real story. You know what I mean?

[Van Lathan]

No, it wasn't based on a real story. The video was a collection of clips, right? Clips were things that would happen. Like. And you watching the clip, it's like Martin Luther King Jr. In there and all this, right? The clip is about Soc. It's about Michael Jackson.

[Joel Anderson]

The atomic bomb hit in Japan.

[Van Lathan]

Never did anything wrong.

[Billy]

You remember that Joe, he could.

[Van Lathan]

He could look into the mirror and be a better person with the man in the mirror. That's what it's about. And so they put the baby in there because that's something that everybody can get behind. We need to save more babies that fallen wells. Don't think I didn't know that. I don't know what the Joel is thinking.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, dog, I was nine years old. So you would have been like seven.

[Van Lathan]

You were that old.

[Joel Anderson]

You were not nine years old. That was 1987. I was nine years old.

[Van Lathan]

I was seven years old. I have full memories and understanding.

[Joel Anderson]

Seven year old is not.

[Billy]

I like that the difference between 9 and 7 is just like.

[Joel Anderson]

How much of being 7 do you actually remember?

[Van Lathan]

I remember. Do you know? I remember from being seven. Core memory. And we have to get back to football. There's not a lot of games today, guys. I'm sorry, but core memory from being seven. Me and my father were watching Silverado. Core memory. This is a core memory, like started my anxiety. We're watching Silverado. My dad looks at Silverado and he goes, the world's going to be just like that again pretty soon. Carriages and all of that stuff like that. I'm like, what are you talking about? Like, why would the world go back to being like that? Dad goes, because Reagan's going to drop that bomb. And I was like, what bomb? He goes, well, Reagan has bombs and the Russians have bombs. And we shoot our bombs. Yeah, and they shoot their bombs.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, son.

[Van Lathan]

It'll start a chain reaction that will destroy the entire world. Wow. Smile and I'm, like, looking around like, what the fuck is he talking about? Wow. So I go to school and I ask about this. I ask my mama, I ask my pastor, I ask everyone, is the world. The world about to end? And nobody could just give me a definitive no.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. It's crazy.

[Billy]

Everybody had a caveat.

[Joel Anderson]

That's complicated. Yeah. I was like, what?

[Van Lathan]

It was like, it's not. It's not great, bro.

[Joel Anderson]

Like, it could be dying.

[Billy]

Should we watch the guy in the mirror video?

[Joel Anderson]

Dying in a nuclear holocaust was a real concern, like, throughout childhood. Like, it was like, man, that really. The movie that. The day after or something like that.

[Van Lathan]

Early Light. See, I remember all of this.

[Joel Anderson]

You remember that? Okay, so.

[Van Lathan]

So don't hit me with the arm. Like, don't. Don't hit me with the. The.

[Joel Anderson]

The.

[Van Lathan]

I go back to the 70s.

[Joel Anderson]

Did you see James Gray play running back at Texas Tech in the late 80s?

[Van Lathan]

Oh, my God. Let's move on, bro.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Billy]

I do. I do want to talk about that. We got to talk. I'm part of the Day After Tomorrow generation, I feel like. But, you know, same sort of deal. Can we. Projected rankings here, the cfg.

[Joel Anderson]

Let's do it and just talk about them.

[Billy]

Here's what the expectation is, right? So Virginia obviously has to win for this to be the case, but this is what we. We suspect one will probably be Ohio State if they. Hold on. They're up 10, 6 right now.

[Joel Anderson]

Yep.

[Billy]

Georgia number two. After what they did to Alabama, Right. We. We expect them SEC champs. It just means more. They'll be a 2. Indiana or Texas Tech at 3. Whichever one is not at 3, obviously, the other will be at 4. Oregon at 5, Ole Miss at 6aM at 7, Oklahoma at 8. And this is when things get interesting, right? This is all. If Virginia wins right now, they're down 14 to 7. Then we have Alabama at 9, Miami or Notre Dame fighting for the number 10 spot. Virginia if they win at 11, two lane at number 12. If Virginia loses, it's probably JMU at 11. Does that feel like the final 12 if we had to project out?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, probably. I think so. I. I, you know, I'm just. I'm. You know what? I don't want to do this because my homeboy Malik is at home. He's a UVA grad and watching this now, and I know he's probably in panic right now, and I hate to say it, but this just feels very Virginia loss like right now. Just the. The whole vibe of this game gives.

[Billy]

They've Never outright won the ACC. They've tied in 1995, but they've never outright won the ACC.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I mean, I do have some faith in Chandler. Morris is a very experienced quarterback. It's got still a lot more time to go, but it just has.

[Van Lathan]

I don't know what it is.

[Joel Anderson]

And this isn't a football thing. It just has all the markers of a game with some big letdown is about to happen.

[Billy]

It does feel like that. And it does kind of set up.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Billy]

You know who does the committee want.

[Van Lathan]

To win that game?

[Joel Anderson]

Virginia. Right. Because they don't want James. They don't want to do Tulane and James Madison. They'll be like, that's, that's with Miami.

[Billy]

Or Notre Dame, the odd man out, then it just feels a little bit off.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that would be.

[Van Lathan]

Is, is Notre Dame in? Is Notre Dame safe, safely in the playoff to you guys, or are they on the outside looking in?

[Joel Anderson]

I think they're in really.

[Billy]

But it does feel like the conversation over the past week and a half is totally flipped. You know, it was all Notre Dame. Like, if we had never had a committee show, the Tuesday night show, which I don't think should exist, but if we had never had a Tuesday night show, I feel like Miami would be in over Notre Dame. If, if tomorrow was the first show and they did the rankings, I would say Miami is in. But the fact that they've never had Miami above Notre Dame, it would be crazy to have them both be idle and then. And then swip.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, so I'll tell you what, I tell you what, so BYU is number 11. They're going to drop. I don't know how much, but they're probably going to drop. Right. And so that's going to move Notre Dame and Miami close to each other. And then all of a sudden the voters and the committee is going to have to be like, damn, they right next to each other, man. And they played, they played in. The other team won. I really think that they're going to flip. And I say this, and I'm not going to bore people with a TCU story, but remember in 2014, last week of the season, TCU was number three in the country. They were bound to get into the four team playoff. They won 55 to three and dropped the number six in the next poll. So I. This is a different committee, this is a different time. But I'm inclined to believe that, that it's not over for Miami right now. As we go in here, it'll be kind of weird though, because, like, you know, they didn't play in the championship game. But I. I mean, who, you know, who gives a shit? Like, I still want to see the best teams, if we can.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I think if. If it's an argument, obviously, you guys know how I feel. If it's an argument between two teams that played, the team that won the game has to go in. Like, it's funny to hear the Notre Dame people talk about this, because I remember how incredulous we all were when it happened to them in 93, when they beat Florida State. Florida State ended up winning the national championship.

[Joel Anderson]

You remember that?

[Van Lathan]

You remember that? Because Notre Dame had a bad loss about Boston College. They went out a couple of weeks later and they lost the Boston College, and they just, like, spilled mud all over their national championship. But they still. If it was between them and Florida State, they still should have been the national champions. They should have been the national champions.

[Billy]

They're trying to hang the banner right now as we speak. They're trying to retroactively take back the banner.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, well, they were, you know, they were talking a different game then for the people that can remember. But now I, you know, I. I believe that just depends on what happens around these two teams, how many spots are left and whether or not Alabama's performance in the SEC championship game makes people, you know, think twice about them. Right now, do you have Alabama soundly over Notre Dame, soundly over Miami? You'd have to, right?

[Joel Anderson]

No.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Billy]

I don't think we said if they don't, it's a problem. You know, like, the only way they get around this. And the issue with the whole committee. Right. Is that there is no precedent. Right. So it doesn't make any sense because they have never followed precedent. They've changed the rules, basically from what we even saw a season ago. And obviously, this is a new format, so again, nobody really knows anything. But if they sandwich Alabama between Notre Dame and Miami, they once said if they're in the same cluster, head to head would matter. Now they're saying they have to be side by side for it to matter. But if they put Alabama in between Miami and Notre Dame so they're not side by side, then that can be their way to weasel out of the conversation.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point.

[Billy]

And again, there's no precedent, so it's not like anybody can push back on it. They're just gonna be like, okay, that's what the committee did, and Alabama's in.

[Joel Anderson]

It's just crazy because, I mean, the thing is, is that the committee is inclined to have all these teams. Like, I mean, they're mad. They don't want to have to make this choice. They don't want to have to be like, damn, bro, we might, we might have to put James Madison in here over Notre Dame and Miami, two of the biggest brands in college football. Like, they're not excited about this, but it's just kind of weird. But I, I really, it, it's kind of crazy to say, but I really do think that, that Notre Dame is in trouble, man. Like, if it goes this way, I don't, I, I could easily see them putting Miami over Notre Dame tomorrow afternoon.

[Billy]

What's the reaction if that happens? You know, like, it's gonna, there's gonna be legal, probably. Well, I think at least threats of legal recall.

[Joel Anderson]

But see, here's the thing that the, the, the argument you can't beat, as you all have tried to deploy it on me, we played and I won. You know, like, it doesn't matter at that point. The context doesn't matter. Like, the records are roughly the same. Like, we're just going to have a whole season of work to look at. And, and at the end of the day, there's a lot of context to that win. But I won't give me my money. You know what I'm saying?

[Van Lathan]

I, I, you know, it was pointed out today that when those two teams played, it was early in the season. But Jeremiah Love, I think he was held under 50 yards rushing.

[Billy]

Remember we were saying he was on a pitch count, we were like, why is he not getting the football?

[Van Lathan]

Like, there was domination in the trenches, or at least winning in the trenches by Miami. Obviously, Notre Dame has gotten better throughout the season, right? Miami has been up and down, but Miami has played better, like, as of late. So I just think, I think that's non controversial. If you want to have a galaxy brain tag, then, yeah, you can look at all that. I think it's not controversial to say that the team that beat the other team has earned their way into the playoff more than the team that they beat. Like, if everything else is the same, you're talking about if, if the games actually matter. If not, line everybody up in T shirts and shorts, let them run to 40. And then we take all of the fastest people. Yeah, we, we, we, we collate them into a group and then we put them into the playoff and then we just watch them play if the actual fucking games. And who won, who, who lost, don't matter at all now.

I don't think the committee gives a fuck whether or not Notre Dame is in the playoff or not. I don't think so.

[Joel Anderson]

I. I don't think so either.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I think there are other teams that they care about a little bit more than Notre Dame. I think the Alabama thing was annoying to the committee today. I think that was a real annoyance, but I don't think that they care. I think if Notre Dame gets, like, squeezed out of the playoff, I think some drama like that is actually good for the playoff. I think having. I don't think they mind that type of thing at all.

[Billy]

If, If Notre Dame were to get hosed and it comes down to the fact that, like, these conferences being able to lobby on their behalf gets an ACC team in, a Power 4 team in, over a Notre Dame. Do you think that the Notre Dame powers that be actually look in the mirror, going back to man in the mirror and says, maybe we should join a conference. Maybe we should have a conference lobbying on our behalf, because if we don't, we're just going to be the odd man out at the table.

[Joel Anderson]

I tell you what conference they're not going to go to if they get kept. If they get kicked out by conference lobbying. The acc.

[Billy]

Well, they're already. They're already halfway in the acc.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They. They're parking all their non. You know, their, Their other. The other sports in there. But yeah, I mean, like, anybody would take note of them, you know, I mean, the Big Ten, probably. The sec, presumably. So if that. I mean, I would not go to the sec.

[Van Lathan]

They're not going to the sec.

[Billy]

They're not gonna go to the Big Ten.

[Joel Anderson]

They'll go to the Big Ten, but they would.

[Van Lathan]

They guys want to hear. You guys want to hear Notre Dame.

[Joel Anderson]

Schedule next year, was it?

[Van Lathan]

Please just want to hear it.

[Billy]

Enlighten us.

[Van Lathan]

So, yeah, Wisconsin, Rice, Michigan State, Purdue, North Carolina, Navy, OH, North Carolina, Boston College, SMU, Syracuse, Stanford and USC.

[Billy]

USC's carried a big load for them.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, the thing is, though, man, is like, when they make that.

[Van Lathan]

Say that.

[Billy]

I heard it as it was coming out. Yeah, it was.

[Joel Anderson]

Wait.

Hold on. Wow. Say it.

[Billy]

I'm saying USC is like, they're carrying a lot for. For them.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. I heard that part.

[Van Lathan]

I'm just saying we never know how these teams are going to play. Right? Maybe Wisconsin figures it out in the off season. The transfer portal.

[Joel Anderson]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

Michigan State has gotten like a crazy donation. $400 million so maybe they go out and they get a couple places. You don't know what this schedule is going to be like when it gets played, right? But right now, man, this schedule looks like a schedule to where it looks like a one team, maybe two teams.

[Joel Anderson]

It's not that bad.

[Van Lathan]

Maybe three teams if you count sc.

[Joel Anderson]

See if you, if you do, if. Whenever they scheduled this, whenever they put this schedule together, I bet five years ago it probably looked a lot different. They never thought Wisconsin would be down, Michigan State would be as bad as they were. Like not at the same time, you know, but this is the issue with.

[Van Lathan]

Not being in the country because when you're not in a conference, when, when you're in a conference, you have teams that are measuring sticks to you at all times. Like at all times these teams are measuring sticks to you. I'm not saying that Notre Dame doesn't have that totally, but I'm saying when you're in the conference, you're competing every single year against the same teams. So there's some, obviously conference have conferences have down years, but there's some consistency to the level of competition year in and year out. If you are not in a conference, then there's really none. You could easily catch a year like this where there's very, very little resistance between you and like if you don't run the table with that schedule, I mean, I don't know what to say.

[Joel Anderson]

And also you, this is kind of crazy though because a lot of schools play bad teams, you know what I mean? Like Texas A and M's whole schedule was just the bottom half of the SEC this year. And we thought they were good. You know, none of the Arkansas, Mississippi State, you know, South Carolina, who is not good, but we assume that they're good. And I mean there are a lot of. I just, I don't think I, I hear that Notre Dame schedule and I'm like, all right, usc, Miami, I mean, you know, you know, who's, who's to say what some of these schools are going to be like? Syracuse was like a non win team a couple years ago until the.

[Van Lathan]

Whose schedule did you say?

[Joel Anderson]

Which one? Notre Dame's next year.

[Van Lathan]

I'm talking about Texas A and M. You said they had a, they had a bad schedule.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, I mean the bottom half of their schedule until they play Texas, I don't think they played a team with the winning record in the sec.

[Van Lathan]

In the sec on the bottom half.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, everybody they played was in the bottom half until Texas and they lost in that team.

[Van Lathan]

And all of that stuff they lost in Texas. Yeah, they did play Notre Dame though, and they won, so.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I mean, that's fair. All I'm just saying is that Florida State played Alabama and they won.

[Billy]

And they won.

[Joel Anderson]

They won.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, they did.

[Joel Anderson]

Look, one of the, one of the two finalists here today, it, it shakes.

[Van Lathan]

Out Alabama came back and they beat Georgia and all of that stuff. I, I'm listening. I'm willing to listen to all Alabama slander. I'm just saying with Notre Dame, they're gonna have to be a little bit. That's why I say the schedule should be made.

In the summer before the season.

[Joel Anderson]

God damn schedule.

[Van Lathan]

You can't schedule these things out five, six years, no more. With the playoffs, you just can't do it no more. You don't know. Clue.

[Joel Anderson]

That's right.

[Van Lathan]

Do that no more after the coaches meetings, after the, the, the, the conference meetings. The conference meetings should be making the schedule for the upcoming year. And then, then you get in there and you get enough time, though. I mean, I guess maybe now you need time to practice and all of that stuff for the first game or whatever. That's when you should make it. Because if not, then you gonna have years like next year where Notre Dame don't just need to win every game, they need to look crazy. Unless SC looks crazy or some other teams rebound, you know.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I mean, it's just kind of, it's just kind of funny to me though, because, I mean, you know, just. We just don't. We never know what the schedule is going to look like. Even like after week two, like, everything will look. Yeah, you know, I mean, like, we just, it's just tough. Like right now we say that's good.

[Billy]

Look at the preseason projections.

[Joel Anderson]

My God, man, lsu. I mean, again, LSU and Clemson, Clemson Pence, we were falling for the man. Syracuse, be Clemson, they might be good this year. You know, like we just kept shit going and they're like, oh, you know what? Actually Clemson's not very good. And so we know we just. It doesn't seem like the most formidable, but like not, not all of these teams that are in position this year have played a formidable schedule. And like I said, as soon as A and M played a conference team with a winning record, they lost.

[Billy]

And Notre Dame just not being in a conference, they're an easy target because again, they don't have any allies. So everybody is going after their neck. And I mean, even Narduzzi comes out, who's head coach of obviously, obviously Pittsburgh. And we talked about some of his quotes, but he said he was asked which team is better, which team would you put in the playoff? You played both of them. And he said Miami. They're both tough and imposing, but Miami is powerful up front and plays a physical brand of football. Again, an ally. It doesn't mean, you know, that he even probably believes that necessarily. It's just like he's going to defend.

[Joel Anderson]

Who would go for Notre Dame's. Yeah, who would like. Yeah, who would be a Notre Dame defender? That is nobody. Yeah, just an alum. Nobody fucks with Notre Dame. Yeah, like nobody.

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[Billy]

That's what I mean. That's why they might look in the mirror and say do we need to get some allies on our side so that people are pushing our agenda outside of us, especially if we get left out of the playoff. I'm just. It's a fascinating conversation. Another thing that was said today that I want to get you guys thoughts on. Nick Saban is now calling for a commissioner in college football. He was also calling for Miami to be in the playoff, but he says that there needs to be a commissioner in college football. That would be someone to oversee the CFP committee. There would be some checks, some balances. Van, do you like the idea of a commissioner in college football?

[Van Lathan]

Yes. I think that there needs to be a little bit more centralization of the college football intelligentsia right now. And when they do.

Needs to be done in a way that's a little bit more transparent with the fans and the community. Like, you put a lot of people in the College Football Playoff committee, but you need to tell us why they're there. Like, seriously, there needs to be, in my opinion, the college Football Playoff committee, they have all of these people, and it's great. But there's one person that is. Knows the history of, I don't know, there's a financial guy that looks at the money situations and all of this. There's a competition guy, there's a coach, there's a culture person. There's all of these different people that their bona fides, as far as why they are in the positions that they are choosing. This need to be clearly detailed to the fans.

Other than that, I mean, I don't know that even an AD has a place on a college football playoff selection committee.

[Billy]

Like, I agree.

[Van Lathan]

I don't. I wouldn't understand, like, why an AD.

[Joel Anderson]

Would be on there.

[Van Lathan]

You hired a coach. You. You hired a softball coach. Like, you know, go count something. But, like, I don't know why they would be on a. On a college playoff. I don't know why they would be on there.

[Billy]

Like, especially one in the middle of a search for a new football coach. In Hunter Yurich case, you know what I mean? He's, like, trying to find. He's trying to figure out his school and his next head coach, and he's.

[Joel Anderson]

Also in the middle. Could y' all live with it if it was a panel of college sports. Football. Sports writers who'd covered the sport for, you know, 10 or more years with that. With that. A regionally balanced.

[Billy]

They make the AP poll and it's terrible. So. No, you really.

[Van Lathan]

I don't.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, people always get mad at this at the AP poll. Well, I don't think, you know, I. I think the thing is, like, nobody is ever going to be happy. Like, we just need to.

[Billy]

Really? Says Joel, is. Joe is campaigning for himself to be. He's lobbying for himself to be.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, no, man. So wait, would I want to be on the playoff committee? Yeah.

Man. Nah, bro. There's. Dog, there's no way I could be away that many weekends, man.

[Billy]

He does remember the challenger. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Stand up, bro.

[Van Lathan]

Like, we. Stand up, bro. Like, you.

[Joel Anderson]

You.

[Van Lathan]

If you get the job with. To be the college football, like, bring the kids with you, bro. Like, you know, if you get the job. You can't turn that down, bro. You can't turn that down.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, sure I could. First of all, I don't know how much money I'd be getting for it. And. Yeah, I mean, I think they just.

[Billy]

Pay for your stay and it's like.

[Joel Anderson]

So you go, like, I'd fly. I'd fly into Grapevine, Texas on Friday evening, stay there all Saturday and fly out Sunday morning.

[Van Lathan]

Something like that.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. I mean, that would be my. I have a sisters in. In Fort Worth, man. It'd be kind of nice because that's back. That's back near where I'm from. You know what I'm saying? I know that.

You can't complain about.

[Billy]

The work they're doing and then say, I'm not interested in doing. You have to be the change you want to see in the world, Joel. That's right.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I don't. I don't like. I don't look at the man in the mirror. I've had to do fake ballads, like when I was at ESPN and on a college football team. You know, I had to. There was one weekend where I had to do the rankings or whatever. And two things that happened with that. UCF fans got so pissed that I used Golden Knights because they were very sensitive about being called the Golden Knights. They're down to the Knights now. And I had, like, ranked. I think I had Minka Fitzpatrick in the top five of my Heisman ballot, you know, and then, yeah, I thought Fitzpatrick was excellent. And I think Nick Saban would confirm that, because I think that's like his. That's. I think he said that Mika Fitzpatrick is his favorite player from out. From his Alabama days. But, you know, it's like, people. I was like, I don't want to do this, man. I don't want the pressure of this. And then I know that there are all these college football podcasts now that will talk. They will go over the AP ballot and be like, this dumbass right here, you know, Brett Brett Turner and Laredo, like, he voted this way, and they'll be calling people out. I don't. I don't want that kind of stress. I don't like that we're making fun.

[Billy]

Of you anyways, and you're not on the committee.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

So why don't you just do it?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, but at least. But at least my wife is not mad at me, you know, that I could be here at the house chilling.

[Van Lathan]

That's crazy. Anyway.

[Joel Anderson]

But you don't want to go.

[Van Lathan]

No. Damn.

[Joel Anderson]

That's why the. That's. I mean, no offense to anybody on the panel, because in Ivan is og. I love Ivan Maisel.

[Billy]

They're busy right now. They're not listening.

[Van Lathan]

Later.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, there's a thing called podcast. We will record this, and then we'll run it later. Okay, Phil. You heard of him. So, anyway.

[Billy]

Joel shoots first. That's. That's what we got to remember when Joe gets the.

[Joel Anderson]

Billy's the one that started this.

Come on, man. I don't remember what I was gonna say now.

[Billy]

So.

Is there someone that should be the commissioner of college football? Like, I mean, obviously, Nick Saban says that, and everyone's rolling their eyes, and they're saying it's he pitching himself. He says, no, I'm not pitching myself. But, like, there's no right answer. Right? I mean, there's really nobody out there that we would all be like, yeah, great pick. Because everybody has some sort of bias. Everybody has some sort of allegiance. Everybody went to some school, and everyone's going to think that they're in the bag for their school.

[Joel Anderson]

Is this the argument against Nick Saban, that he's a Jimmy Sexton? That Jimmy Sexton is one of.

[Billy]

They were really upset about this. Herb street came out and said, I'm not a Jimmy Sexton client. Pat McAfee made multiple references about Jimmy Sexton during the show. So I don't know if it was us, but I think, you know, we'll take a little bit of credit.

[Joel Anderson]

You take a little bit of credit? Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, honestly, I think that, to be real with you, that's how we know that they are all under the thumb of Emperor Sexton. I know. I listened to all of them, and they looked like they were all told exactly what to say about Emperor. Emperor Sexton. They got right on message, came out at the same time. There was uniformity, and they were all incredulous in the same way.

[Joel Anderson]

I just. I just run, y'.

[Van Lathan]

All.

[Joel Anderson]

I just can't see. I can't see. Nick Saban, get. Run.

[Van Lathan]

Your mouth.

[Joel Anderson]

I just don't think so. I don't.

[Billy]

Like.

[Van Lathan]

It was time for Lane to get hired where Lane wanted to get hired, and you guys got on training. Y' all did what Emperor Sexton wanted y' all to do. That's it. I don't want to hear that. Goddamn. Oh, you don't believe it, Joe, because these are your. Your former colleagues.

[Joel Anderson]

Who are my former colleagues at ESPN?

Kirk, Herb street and Nick Saban and Pat McAfee. Not now and never have been colleagues. I'm so far away from. I was so far away from her.

[Billy]

Blocked you, though.

[Joel Anderson]

It's crazy. Yeah, he did unblock me on Twitter, so that's great. ESPN on college football. I was so far away from college game day. Like, I just. I remember seeing, like, Maria Taylor walk by. I was like, you don't even feel like we in the same company. You know what I mean? Like, you being a writer. ESPN on the website is. I mean, that is a very low position. Like, you're. If you're thinking you're just writing. Huh?

[Van Lathan]

Are you trying to say you a little at espn?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I was a little espn. I was. I mean, I don't Come. I don't. There's no. There's no way that many people there could remember me. It was a very forgettable run for me. Very. Not. Not many. The only time, again, people note. I don't. I didn't even go on, like, podcasts and stuff back then. It's kind of crazy. Like, I was. I was the only people that care were my family, because that's the first time I worked somewhere that they could be like, well, you know, Joel works at espn, and I just. Cousins. Yeah. All my cousins and uncles and shit were excited about that because that was the first place they knew of and consumed their content. But, like, at that. Or. Or. You know what was great, man? If you could email somebody with espn.com like, you just be like, I need. I need you to handle this. And you got ESPN.com they're gonna respond to your email, bro, unless it's Maria Taylor, and they'll try to help you.

[Van Lathan]

How many. How many. How many emails did you send to Maria Taylor? I love how you brought her up.

[Joel Anderson]

I didn't know. I just. Because I remember. I remember being at the college football championship in Atlanta in 2017, and, like, I mean, just these TV people just walk past me the whole time.

[Van Lathan]

Wait a second. Wait a second.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't want to say you got.

[Van Lathan]

You coming at another Black one, right?

[Billy]

It all.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm not shooting it in Maria Taylor. She's a great at her job. She was so good at her job that it wasn't necessary to know who I was, even though I was at the same company. That's all I'm saying. I feel like, actually, Van, your girl Rachel may have worked at ESPN then too. Or she did some things, and I was just like, that is a whole things.

[Van Lathan]

Nigga, what the fuck you talking about?

[Joel Anderson]

Hold on.

[Van Lathan]

Like, you can't see. What.

[Joel Anderson]

What are y' all doing?

[Van Lathan]

He's like, your girl Rachel worked at espn. She did some things. What do that mean?

[Joel Anderson]

Well, I mean, she was like a. I mean, an on camera personality. I don't know if she had a Did the Texas. Was she. You asked her if she worked at the Longhorn Network or something like that.

[Van Lathan]

She worked at she. When you say did some things. Things, mister, why are you going like this?

[Joel Anderson]

What is that? This is a way too much sass.

[Van Lathan]

Camera stuff. I think she might have guest hosted First Take or something like that. At one point. She was doing on camera things. She was doing things in the workplace.

[Billy]

Talent things.

[Van Lathan]

Talent things.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. Yeah, I told you. And I was a little man.

[Billy]

Yeah, she wouldn't answer the email either.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, you tried to email her. How many did you try to email? Did you try to email.

[Joel Anderson]

Me?

I'm gonna say this, and then we're gonna have to move on and talk about football. I'll just never forget there was a time in my life I was working at Buzzfeed. It's 2017, and my. A mute. A mutual friend of ours linked us up, and he was like, hey, this is young girl who works at the New York Times. She'd love to get some professional advice from you. And I'm like, oh, yeah, sure. Tell her to email me. And it was Malika Andrews. And I was like, damn, bro. I was like, I mean, thank God that we never. Thank God we never connected. Because whatever she did, it really.

Sounds so bad, bro.

[Van Lathan]

Like, bro, this sounds so bad.

[Joel Anderson]

Wait, what sounds bad?

[Van Lathan]

It sounds so bad, bro.

[Joel Anderson]

They don't need her. I mean, why do you think black.

[Billy]

Women don't need help?

[Joel Anderson]

Why does black women need help? And then why do you think black women need help? They're strong enough to stand on their own. I don't know if you know Joe. I don't know if I know my wife, my mom.

[Van Lathan]

Sounds. When you tell these stories, bro, it's like, hey, she reached out. It was Malika Andrews.

[Billy]

Didn't Answer.

[Van Lathan]

Didn't answer like, you. Like, you didn't. Now she running.

[Billy]

Yeah, I told you, she.

[Van Lathan]

You didn't help her.

[Joel Anderson]

I. Because I emailed her back, and she never responded. I emailed her. She emailed me back. I emailed her back. She never emailed me back again. And it was just. All right. And then it was just like, all of a sudden, Malika was covering the Milwaukee Bucks at espn, and, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. She, like, just took off and, you know, is the star that she is today. That's all I'm saying. But I'm just. I was. I.

[Van Lathan]

You know what?

[Joel Anderson]

It is why I'm only thinking of black women? Because, like, I don't. I don't. I'm trying. I mean, my rco. Connor. Connor. Our boy Connor Nevins was my boss. I knew all the black people at espn. Like, that's who I remember. I'm sorry for being racist in this way, obviously, but I can't. Connors, my other white colleague.

[Billy]

You're not on trial. You're not on trial.

[Joel Anderson]

Is that okay? Can I say Mark Schlabaugh, Ryan McGee, my dog. I love Ryan. Oh, there you go. That's my dog, man. Man. One time, Jesse Palmer, black. Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm trying to think of some.

[Billy]

Oh, you're trying to. You're trying to list the. The people that were. Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm just trying to think of some of the other white colleagues I had that felt like. Worked in a different world for me.

I remember Jesse Palmer came over one night. We were having dinner at a place in Palo Alto before the championship game, and he just seemed like a really delightful guy. He was just. I was like, damn this really.

[Van Lathan]

We got to get off this. He's getting pathetic, bro.

We got it. We got it. We gotta make sure.

[Joel Anderson]

Can we talk about football again?

[Billy]

Yeah. These games are at halftime now. I want to go through just some quick hitters, some news notes, and get some reactions. Penn State hired Iowa State head coach Matt Campbell as our next head coach. Big story, obviously. Craft apparently was getting blackballed by Jimmy Sexton, our. Our emperor. But he was able to find a way to hire Matt Campbell. I thought the ad for Iowa State was great. He was like, look, Matt Campbell did his job here. He's here for a decade. We wish him well. Immediately after he takes the Penn State job, they hire Wazoo head coach Jimmy Rogers, who was there. He said he was a loyalty guy. He was at South Dakota State for 19 years, and then he left within nine months to go to Iowa State. That's a conversation for another day. But Terry Smith also staying on staff with Penn State, which, you know, that was a big talking point for everybody.

[Joel Anderson]

So that's so sad, man. They're just like, your black ass ain't gonna never be the head coach here, but we got this really nice extra title for you. We're gonna throw somebody, which is great. I'm happy for Terry Smith. He probably has got a lot. A lot more money today, and they've reaffirmed their importance to him by saying, we're not gonna really be able to give you this other job that you really wanted. But, like, just stick in with us, bro. You one of us. Good for you. Terry Smith.

[Billy]

Yeah. Micah Parsons said he would not come back to State College if they did not hire Terry Smith as the head coach, so they did not hire him as the head coach.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Billy]

Do you think he still comes back even though. Even though he's on staff? That's a big question.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, yeah. Yeah. Terry can't. Terry probably put in a call, I would imagine.

[Billy]

Yeah. He'll be like, it's good. I'm good. They took care of me. But still fascinating.

[Van Lathan]

I honestly think the. The. The Matt Campbell hire is a good, good hire.

[Billy]

I think it's a great hire. The situation.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, if they had said that that was their top candidate, I would have been like, yeah, that's reasonable. It makes sense.

[Van Lathan]

A good hire, young, energetic coach. It. The timing of it seems terrible now, but they got a lot of resources. The transfer portal is right there for them to be able to put their. Their. Their team together. And. And, you know, right now, they are losing the PR battle between themselves and James Franklin. James Franklin looks like he's a good guy. He looks like the good guy. He also looks like he's got Virginia Tech with some momentum in recruiting. He looks good with the team.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Rejuvenated.

[Van Lathan]

It looks like it all fits. It's like. It looks like they are. He's. He's flipping guys. It's.

[Joel Anderson]

He's flipping guys. Wow.

[Billy]

It's like Joel in 227.

[Van Lathan]

How about this? Let me go. He's actually flipping kids.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, wow. I. I just associate myself from that remark, Van.

[Van Lathan]

He's actually flipping kids. So he's. He's getting them. He's getting players to leave their commitments at Penn State and come to Virginia Tech. Is. You know, so this at least kind of, you know, stems the tide a little bit of them. Looking like they got housed in their decision to, to not to retain him or to fire him and then, you know, unleash him and all of his coaching and recruiting prowess onto Virginia Tech.

[Joel Anderson]

So.

[Van Lathan]

So good news for them after a long time of not having any.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, it's just tough, man, because they're going to have to. I mean, I don't know. Things are different now. You can just portal a whole class and things can be okay in a year or whatever, right? Yeah, Texas Tech. But man, I mean this recruiting class is. I mean, I don't, I, I can't imagine that they've had a worse recruiting class than this in the history of the program or any, you know, in the recent.

[Billy]

Maybe during one period of time, I think.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, it was like a not so great period.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, but no, but wait, no, they only have at this moment, I think two recruits who've signed like two people who've like signed with that class. Like even when they were in the, in the middle of that mess, they signed up, you know, not as full of a class as they could not. No. Damn. Two people. This is almost unprecedented what is happening. It's like they've basically had to forfeit a year. I mean, maybe they'll get more kids at the later sign a date and I'm sure the portal will change things and all that other stuff. But right now they, I mean I've. It's tough to remember a major program that is like forfeited recruiting like this this year. And it's just, you know, this is how it broke down. But I wonder, I wonder, you know, the kind of protection that Matt Campbell's going to have because they're going to have to. That recruiting class this year is kind of a loss for them. Like they're just going to have to wash off and try to move forward. And so you wonder if, you know, if they go, they'll give Matt Campbell some patience.

[Billy]

They said they're going to give him some payments. $30 million. So that'll help.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, yeah. The expectations for them next year have to be just to write the ship and get the team to a place where their culture is re established and fans have faith in the football product, not just on the field, but behind the scenes. Right now they're in complete disarray. So him coming in, it's so funny. He almost has to do not quite the same thing, but not so far outside the realm of the same thing that James Franklin had to do now. James Franklin had to rebuild from something much more Drastic. It's not even close. Right. But at the same time, it's not like he's taking over a program that is like primed to succeed. Right now. It almost looks like they're starting off not at zero, but completely redefining who they are.

[Billy]

Yeah, I mean, Terry will help guys that are there stay allegedly. You know, like that was the big concern that they were going to have a lot of guys just completely abandon ship, but apparently just because of how hard the defense played for him, a lot of guys like him, if he's staying on staff, that means they'll have some of the guys come back. And obviously a lot of those guys were supposed to be part of a team that can win the national championship. So they do have, you know, some talent in the cupboard. So that's absolutely.

[Joel Anderson]

Think, think, think. The thing is, it's kind of weird about the Matt Campbell thing. And I think that like, I gu. Whatever you think culturally he's a fit. He's a fit from that, that region of the country. And you know, the whatever, the modesty or whatever, the modest stoicism or whatever, like maybe it seems like that's a good fit for that part of the country or whatever. But I would be kind of, I just always kind of think the try hard coaches, you know what I mean, the ones where they assemble a bunch of, they over perform, they're overachievers like Iowa State and they're going to find out. And y' all probably don't remember when Iowa State was really bad at football, but let me tell you, I'm just joking. But I mean, they really were not like they're historically, they're historically a very, you know, a losing program. He's done something there that is damn near unprecedented. When they, when he le. When he leaves, we're going to see what Iowa State's really about. But I feel like at a job like Penn State, I would kind of just rather have a guy that got five stars, you know what I mean? And like, you can kind of co. You can coach around that, you can build a staff around that. And so that's why I kind of think it's a weird thing because you have to compete against Ohio State. Like, you're not gonna. It's gonna be very tough for you to develop three stars into guys that are going to be able to compete with Ohio State. But, you know, we'll see.

[Billy]

Yeah, also Jimmy Rogers, you know, I mean, they, they make the bowl game at Wazoo. He brought a lot of guys with him. From his old team there. But Wazoo just kind of finds a way to be a good football team. And this year he kind of sabotaged the start of the season. Like, if you're. I have to watch all the Wazoo games, shout out to the Cougs. But the first three games, he didn't play Zev Ek House because he's not his guy. They looked horrible. The fans basically formed a mutiny against him. And then he has to play echoes to basically save face with the fans. And it turns the whole season around. They almost beat Ole Miss. They almost beat Virginia, and it was really because of the quarterback play of Zevi Ekow. So I don't know what Iowa State was watching, but I would not be encouraged to be bringing in Jimmy Rogers. Just my thoughts.

[Joel Anderson]

Damn.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Tate, what the.

[Joel Anderson]

What's the going on? What did Jimmy Rogers do to you, bro?

[Van Lathan]

Tate, what the hell is going.

[Billy]

I'm just saying I'm watching. Yeah, I'm watching.

[Van Lathan]

I'm a host.

[Billy]

But every once in a while, I'll give you a take.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, you know, I'll be honest with you, bro. Are you looking for Jimmy Rogers to come down where you're at in LA and have a fight like.

Joel wanted to have a fight with, with, with Lane Kiffin?

[Joel Anderson]

You just bringing up, dog. That's all. That's old.

[Billy]

I'm not gonna run 220.

I'm not trying to wrestle, bro.

[Van Lathan]

I, I'm. I'mma be honest with you, bro. I think l A bust your ass, dog. First of all, I'm be honest with you.

[Joel Anderson]

Where you getting that from?

[Van Lathan]

What would make you even think I asked around? Cuz, you know, some people heard that and they hit me up. They're like, you know, what's up with the, with the, with, with, with this guy trying to fight the coach? And they were telling me that, you know, Lane is adept.

At different types of tai chi and yoga and eastern philosophy in terms of what he can do with his hands and stuff like that.

[Joel Anderson]

They were talking about that on the booster group. The booster group chat.

[Van Lathan]

They, they, they, they telling me so.

[Joel Anderson]

Rohan, Davey, Kendall, Cleveland, you know.

[Billy]

What.

[Van Lathan]

They was telling me was that Lane will whoop your ass.

[Joel Anderson]

Josh Reed. He was like, yeah, that's what they saying.

[Van Lathan]

The, the reality is now for me, I'm looking at it like, you know, I looked at Joe with all the wrestling and 227 and all of that. I. I think I assume that you will over them. But now after doing a little due diligence, I don't know, man, I think Lane might beat the out of you, dog.

[Joel Anderson]

Nah, doc. Nah, player. Nah, man. I mean, you know, the thing is, anybody can get beat up. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not. I'm not.

[Billy]

So It's a good rule.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm not so prideful. You know, anybody can get. Can slip you a punch or get you in a every do. Every dog can have their day, man. But, I mean, I don't think. First of all, I don't think Lane would look at me and be like, that's somebody I'm ready to fight. You know? I just don't. Because I. I don't look at him that way and say, that's the guy that I'm looking forward to fighting. I'll do it, but it didn't mean that I'll be hype about it. And I don't think. I don't think that you created this monster, though. He wouldn't see me across the parking lot and be like, oh, that's the guy that I want to fight something. He look at me and say, to think that Joe.

[Van Lathan]

So what you're saying is, is that Lane would look at you and he would be scared of you that you cut.

[Joel Anderson]

I didn't say he's scared, but it's just like, that's. That's easier people to with, like, why? You know what I mean? Like, I just. That's not. That's not somebody. I. I'm not somebody that people look at.

[Billy]

Billy wanted us to remember.

[Joel Anderson]

I want to have a good time as well.

[Van Lathan]

So what you're saying. Okay, so just real quick, before we go, I'm just asking. So you're saying that people look at you.

[Joel Anderson]

I didn't say people look at me like that.

[Van Lathan]

You said people look at you, and I'm just saying it's not the to with right there.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, bro. If you. If.

[Van Lathan]

If you.

[Joel Anderson]

If you're walking down.

[Billy]

She's one of them ones.

[Joel Anderson]

If you walk him down the street and you just like, I want to rob somebody. Okay? And I want this to be as easy.

[Van Lathan]

You are the guy to rob.

[Joel Anderson]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not. It's just like, why would they. They would just. No, the reason I know this is because it's never happened.

[Billy]

Oh, man. I got nothing on me.

[Van Lathan]

Joel. Wait a second. Wait a second. We gotta break this out. So, Joel, what you're saying is that when people. So it's a bunch of people lined up or you walking down the Street. They gonna look at you and be like, nah, man. Can't fuck with that nigga. You think you look in the mirror and you see King Von. I know what I'm saying.

[Joel Anderson]

Not saying I can't get got. What I am saying, though, is that if you're just a person looking, looking for an easy mark on the street, I'm probably not going to be the guy. I'm probably not going to be your first option to be like, well, yeah, man, I'm trying to get $50 off somebody. Let me go with that guy. I'm probably not gonna be high on that list. I mean, that's just real. I. I do. And that. And that don't mean that I look like Miles Garrett. It just means that I'm not gonna be an easy win.

[Van Lathan]

So what we're gonna do is we're gonna break this out and we're gonna take a vote. You know, I'm a G. Yeah.

[Billy]

That's basically what George has said.

[Van Lathan]

You know, that's what George just said.

[Billy]

You know, then he did a little this.

[Joel Anderson]

That's right. No date, please. I'm good on any MLK Boulevard. That's right.

[Van Lathan]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joel Anderson]

I am. I'm good on any.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, I'm interested in this because maybe I'm tripping. Maybe I'm tripping. Right? But I. I'm gonna break this out.

[Billy]

And then we're gonna let the comments decide.

[Van Lathan]

We're gonna let the people in the comments on Twitter.

[Joel Anderson]

Why y' all hyping this up?

[Van Lathan]

Decide.

[Joel Anderson]

Why are y' all hyping this up?

[Van Lathan]

Whether or not. I'm asking if they're gonna decide whether or not you.

[Billy]

You're a mark.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I did not know that.

[Joel Anderson]

But there are some people. There are.

[Van Lathan]

You definitely don't look like you. You definitely don't look like you Soft. Yeah, but I wouldn't have thought that you would have been the guy that people would have been like, nah, man, I can't with him.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't think. I mean, I don't think, like, if I went into prison or some like that, I don't think people would be like, well, I'm not gonna. With that guy. I mean, I understand, but this is Elaine Kiffin we talking about.

[Billy]

Joe's gonna say, Sell 227.

[Joel Anderson]

Why is it gotta. Somebody asked in the. Somebody asked in the chat how big I am. All right, so.

I'm a shade. I'm. I'm a shade under six feet, and I'm about I'm about 220. You know, I could stand. You're under six feet, Joe. Yeah, I'm five.

[Van Lathan]

You present. You present as taller than that.

[Billy]

I know I was taller than you.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm five eleven, man. Yeah, five eleven. I claim it.

[Billy]

I got three inches on Joe.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Thanks, man. I was listed as 611 95. Okay, so.

[Van Lathan]

So, Joel. So, Joel, you're a shade under six feet. And you're 220.

[Joel Anderson]

You're 220.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, good. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Everybody give. Everybody give their. Their. Their dimensions.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. All right, let's go for it. I guess. Tate, that means you Next.

[Billy]

Yeah, I'm 62205.

[Joel Anderson]

Damn. That's a Parker Livingstone frame right there.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, Tate. Tate sneaky. Yeah, Tate's sneaky.

[Joel Anderson]

That's athletic. That's an athletic bill.

[Van Lathan]

You want me or Billy? I'll go.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, you go.

[Van Lathan]

Six, four, two, seven, D. Okay.

[Billy]

Yo.

[Joel Anderson]

All right.

[Van Lathan]

Like Billy, five inches.

[Joel Anderson]

You were ending a three. Four. You know what I'm saying?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Billy]

What?

[Van Lathan]

I'm. I got titties anyway. You like.

Billy, you're not.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm.

[Billy]

I'm, like, a shade over six one. Like, 205ish.

[Joel Anderson]

Really?

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. Yeah, really are you See, man, I actually thought of you as closer to, like, five eight.

[Billy]

You know, you met me, like, two weeks ago.

[Joel Anderson]

I know you're looking up at me until. I mean, I know I wasn't looking up at you.

You weren't that tall. You saying you six one for real? No wonder y' all thought I was 16. Oh, man, no wonder y' all thought I was six feet tall.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, I did.

[Billy]

I. I did notice. Joel, you. You stopped calling Lena hoe today. Last week. You're throwing ho left and right with Lane. Yeah, it was everywhere.

[Joel Anderson]

Again, like I said, I didn't just. Just like my boy Ben Garrett, it. You know, the Ole Miss press corps. I didn't call him a hoe. I just said it like, it's. You know, that some of the things he was doing, you could be mistaken for thinking that he might be one.

[Billy]

He skipped college game day today. Joel, was that whole behavior.

[Joel Anderson]

That is. That is. That's whole behavior. I mean, was he scared of. I mean, what.

[Billy]

Oh, just call him.

[Joel Anderson]

Why did he want to face questions, ladies and gentlemen?

[Billy]

We got him.

[Van Lathan]

We. They. We got. So Joel is six foot on hinge. People are saying, oh, like, Joe, no, I don't.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't do that. I don't do that because I feel like women I feel like women are really particular about that. I don't feel like I'm not insecure about my height. That's just something I know you're not.

[Van Lathan]

Hinged because you're married, so that's fair.

[Billy]

Yeah. So, yeah, we have men putting in the chat. Yeah. People putting their dimensions in.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

7, 5, 2 12, 6, 4, 2, 3, 0.

[Joel Anderson]

Man, what you. You're a tight end or 230.

[Van Lathan]

Andy Vandergriff is 6 4. 280.

[Joel Anderson]

God damn, Andy.

[Billy]

Damn, Andy.

[Joel Anderson]

All right, three. Technique. And he's not around, and he wants to wrestle.

Hey, man, come on, bro. Y' all have turned it into something crazy. I mean, y' all didn't tussle when y' all were in. In high school or college. Yeah.

Like that.

[Van Lathan]

Like, it's. No, I'm not.

[Joel Anderson]

Come on.

[Van Lathan]

You know. You know, I used to say. Let me tell you what my mom used to say. My mama was always, like, calling out stuff.

[Joel Anderson]

So my.

[Van Lathan]

My. My mother used to say, like, you know, boys would be wrestling and all that stuff like that. My mother would look and we would wrestle. My mother would go, oh, so cute. And I'll be like, what? She's like. She goes, son, you guys want to be close to each other. You want to show each other affection. That's the way you do it. And then all of us would look like.

We don't. We. Like. We'd all be like, what is she talking about? She's like, yeah, you guys like being close to each other. You like cuddling on each other and that. That's the way that you do it. That's the way that you show it. You wrestle around and you. And you tussle around. You guys like to tussle and. And touch each other, and that's okay. And that she would say little stuff like that to. With your head.

[Billy]

She got you.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, that's how she would do what she would do. But, yeah, we would do that. But in college. Nah, it didn't. Nobody was really doing that.

[Joel Anderson]

But, bro, I mean, it's just. It was a different atmosphere. You ain't seen videos of people fighting in college locker rooms and stuff.

[Billy]

Joe said it's a different time.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, it was a different time, too.

[Van Lathan]

There's nothing wrong with it.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I don't know why you. You.

[Billy]

I respect it, Joe.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm not defensive. I'm not sensitive about it. I said I was good at it. I mean, that's the thing.

[Billy]

You so good at. It had people knocking on the door. I had.

[Joel Anderson]

I Hem some.

[Van Lathan]

That.

[Joel Anderson]

I. I hem some up. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

You had guys coming there, trying.

[Joel Anderson]

One guy with Joel. One guy.

[Billy]

Wait, it was the same guy every time?

[Joel Anderson]

No, no, bro, we had other wrestling matches. Just, like, it might be in the locker room, it might be in the hallway, whatever. The only time a dude ever came specifically trying to. With me, to. To. To wrestle with me, it was that time. Yeah. And I told him and I was like, yeah. I was like, no, bro, I'm not doing that. I just. I. I knew that it was going to escalate and, you know. Well, I just want to keep it wrestling. I don't want to become a fight.

I mean, the thing is, though, it's very hard to get people that I want to fight. Once you get them, once you subdue them, because then you're embarrassed you, and now you're embarrassing Joe.

[Van Lathan]

And this is the best podcaster on earth. I don't know what to say, bro.

[Billy]

Like, so I'm having so much fun.

[Van Lathan]

Like, once they want to fight. Okay, cool. No, but you know what, man? I changed. I. I changed my mind. You probably would overlay. I know. Lane not getting busy like this. Yeah, I know. I know. Lane not getting busy like this. Hey, Indiana scored.

[Joel Anderson]

I know.

[Billy]

1310.

[Joel Anderson]

Hey, man. All right, so let's just say I don't know what's going to happen in the fourth quarter or whatever, bro. Indian, we just got to stop. We've got us. Like, I don't. It's. I guess. And maybe I'm talking to myself here. The idea that Indiana is up on Ohio State late in this game, it's incredible, man. Again, if you're an Indiana fan, man, you know, shout out to y'.

[Van Lathan]

All.

[Billy]

You gotta feel good.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, man, I agree. That has to feel amazing. You just like now, you know, oh, all this is real. Like, all of a sudden. It's not like we. We. You know, people can diminish you because your non conference schedule and you may have not gotten the best draw and, you know, whatever you looked out class last year, it's like, oh, no, we're here now, right? Like, we're in. Like, we have. Like, we're like. We could actually win the national championship this year.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. I mean, look, this game for them. We talked about the game being a little meaningless in terms of the grand scheme of things. I don't know how much it changes. It might change some seating. Right. Could have some effect on that.

[Joel Anderson]

Of course. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

But when you look at, you know.

[Billy]

Georgia would probably be number one or. Or Honestly, maybe if, if Indiana wins, Indiana will be number one.

[Van Lathan]

Maybe, maybe Indiana goes to number one, right?

[Joel Anderson]

They definitely go number one.

[Billy]

Yeah, they'll definitely be number one.

[Van Lathan]

But if Indiana is, is, is playing with Ohio State, right? And they're already playing with Ohio State right now, like they've closed the gap between them and Ohio State. That is profound.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man, it's crazy.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, it really is. Like, that is, that is profound. I mean, you look at Ohio State, you that it's a insanely high blue chip ratio though. They got first day guys everywhere.

Some guys that could be amongst the best at their position ever to play college football. With the way people talk about Jeremiah Smith, there's people say he's the best college football player they ever saw. You know, know how you made that determination, all that stuff like that Reggie Bush for God damn.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I don't think he better than Randy Moss, you know what I mean?

[Van Lathan]

I don't think he, he is either, but it is what it is.

[Joel Anderson]

But it's a crazy conversation to have because it's like, it's not crazy to say it, but anyway. Yeah, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

So they're, but they're right there on the field with them and they're giving them problems to see how long they can, you know, they can hold up against them. Now Ohio State, it's probably going to be pretty focused. Come out there and see if they can put six on the board.

[Billy]

You know, also Signetti, I mean, last year it felt like he was peacocking a little bit. I feel like this year he's done a good job of kind of like letting the football speak for itself. Yeah, he's had his moments, like during the media days he kind of called out the sec, but that's really been the only time that he's done that. And for the most part he's kind of stayed back a little bit more. I think he learned from last year. He's like, I don't want to bring smoke into the house, you know what I mean? Like, I'm just going to let it, let it ride.

[Joel Anderson]

There were real expectations and this year he knows he's got the real thing. You know, last year you kind of had to create that and it helped to build a narrative around that team. It helped to build confidence in that team. Because I mean, the thing is, is like Indiana looks across that sideline and they know how they got to college and they know how most of those dudes on the other sideline got to Ohio State. Most of them got five stars. Yeah, and so, like, they're finding out, like, right now that, oh, no, like, we can beat these motherfuckers, man. Like, is good. We're as good or better. Like, and I'm looking. The thing that kind of really struck me, they did a scene from the sideline and.

[Billy]

Oh, boy.

[Joel Anderson]

Was, like, smiling. You know what I mean? Like, I just. Just think about how many times in your life, Indiana, that you've been looking at. You've been looking at your sideline during the Ohio State game. And the guys look confident like that. That they're, like, smiling. They're like, yeah, I'm getting my shit off on these dudes. That's right.

[Billy]

So, yeah, it's a big moment right.

[Van Lathan]

Now for Ohio State. Third and four.

[Billy]

First time they're trailing the season.

[Van Lathan]

I'm gonna call this like the dude.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Saying under center changes.

[Billy]

He's short.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, back. He's back. He's.

[Joel Anderson]

No, no, they drew. No, they. They marking him. First down.

[Billy]

That was a favorable spot.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that was a favorable. Man dog. Duke is about to go in and score. Wait, hold on. Is Duke about to go in and score on Virginia again?

[Billy]

They just went. Went for it on fourth down right before we went to commercial. Or did they go to commercial before? They're going for it.

[Joel Anderson]

They're going for it.

[Billy]

Down.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, okay. I mean, it just went to commercial for me.

[Billy]

Yeah, same, please.

[Joel Anderson]

Duke, man. I mean, I. It's just. I understand people want the chaos of it all, but I. Even me again, like the little guy, big 12, group of five guy. I just. To Lane and James Madison in the field. That's just a little too much, bro. Like, do you think that they would.

[Billy]

Just break all the protocol and just be like, you know what? We just put Miami in at 11. Who cares?

[Joel Anderson]

You know?

[Billy]

Like, it's all made up anyway. You know, at that point, I wouldn't be shocked. They're just like, yeah, Miami, Notre Dame and Alabama, they're all in.

[Van Lathan]

Darian mensah is dealing 16 of 19 for 150, a tutty and a pick. He's making his presence felt out there.

[Joel Anderson]

It's. It's hard to beat a good team twice, like, no matter what.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Former Italian quarterback, man. Yeah, man. They moved on.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, what's with you? Why do you keep saying Tulane? It's too lame.

[Joel Anderson]

Are you talking to me?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Wait, what is it saying? Look at you, man, being all proper, man. We don't say, is that how y' all do in Baton Rouge? Would you do that? Would you do that to somebody at Bad Bruges.

[Van Lathan]

Well, I do what to what?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, you be like, man, you saying it wrong. You would not do that. You know.

[Van Lathan]

Wait, wait, what. What are you.

[Joel Anderson]

He's saying that you're.

[Billy]

Because he's from Texas. You're going keep saying tain.

[Van Lathan]

Why are you doing that?

[Joel Anderson]

Because that's.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, what you're doing.

[Joel Anderson]

No, I don't. What am I doing?

[Van Lathan]

You're pronouncing the name of the school improperly.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, it's. It. Come on, come on. To ever. You know what I mean? Tame.

[Billy]

He doubled down.

[Joel Anderson]

You know.

[Van Lathan]

You know what the name of the school is?

[Joel Anderson]

I would just say I'm more connected to the people than you are. I'm more country than you, bro.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, my God. Oh, I have a question. Jeremiah Smith is out here big dogging guys. Oh, is it just Big Dog? I have a question.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Ryan Williams. I put something in the chat.

[Billy]

Oh, yeah, that's right.

[Van Lathan]

And Ryan Williams season this year.

Is sophomore season. He have. He caught 40 balls. 598 yards, four touchdowns, 14.9 yards a catch. Now, you know, there's some talk about his hands. He dropped a couple of passes this year, and it just seemed as if the explosiveness, the getting open, him being the incredible deep threat, the dominating player that he was at times last year, particularly in the first half of the year, it just wasn't there.

Working with a new quarterback, you know, obviously Jalen Milro isn't there anymore. Different style of quarterback.

Seems like an off year for someone that a lot of people were saying was the best newcomer, the best freshman since Reggie Bush, the best newcomer that we had seen in a really long time. What happened to Ryan Williams this year?

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, it's a different quarterback, right? So, you know, you develop chemistries, you know, I mean, it practices like, all of a sudden, Ty Simpson feels more comfortable with Bernard. Maybe they, you know, they were doing reps together last year on scout team or something, and. And then in the off season, they developed the rhythm and meanwhile, Ryan was catching passes from Jayla Milro. You know what I mean? So I think that that probably is an adjustment. And, you know, and I don't.

[Billy]

He had zero targets against Auburn.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, bro, he's really young, you know, I mean, and like, I think sometimes, like, people forget that these are kids out there. Like, you know, I mean, like. Like you don't know what any of these guys are going through in any given year. You know what I'm saying? College is A real time of, like, change and discovery and like, you, you know, like, you might just be going through a funk or whatever, but I hope it, I just, Because, I don't know, it just, it seemed like it wasn't very fun for him this year. And like, when I, when we watched the game tonight, I was like, oh, he looked like he got a little sizzle back. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Billy]

Cut up field.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah. So, like, maybe. And, you know, he's been hurt this year, too, so it's just a lot of, you know, it's just really, it's, it's really tough to be great that many times, that many times in a row and a change offense and a change of quarterback and, you know, dealing with expectations like this for the first time. So I, I, he still looks good to me and I bet next year he'll, we'll see. He'll be even better. I mean, Todd Simpson, if he comes back, man, they'll have a, they should. I mean, Alabama should be right there again.

[Billy]

That's the expectation. I like that you're concerned for him, though, Van.

[Van Lathan]

Well, I mean, I'm concerned insofar as I like to see people.

[Billy]

We want to see him do well.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I want to see.

[Billy]

He's on the video game. I mean, he was, yeah. Football. He's a cover athlete. There was a, there was a high.

[Van Lathan]

Expectation, and it's, it's, it's always terrible when a fan base gives up on a player. I'm not so sure that that's happened in Tuscaloosa. I don't know that they have yet, from what I see. You know, there's some people that are about the, the fingernail polish and all of that stuff. That's just straight up idiot. Yeah, but, like, yeah, homophobes. Yeah, I don't know that there's, that, there's, that there's been a lot of people that have just kind of thrown the kid away, but he's immensely talented, and even though he plays for Alabama, a team I obviously revile, I want to see him do well. And so I was just wondering, like, what the deal is real quick.

[Joel Anderson]

Are y', all, are y' all both 4th and 1 Ohio State here on in the Shadow of the Gold?

[Billy]

Yeah, they're going, they're going for it.

[Joel Anderson]

They're going for it. Okay, got it. Oh, he looked like he almost dropped that man. Okay, that's a. Man, that's a hell of a push.

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

This tells me that Ohio State feels Like, they still have what it takes up front to dominate when they need to.

[Joel Anderson]

Yep.

[Billy]

I think his knee was down.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, it kind of was weird, right? Like, I. I was like, what happened there?

[Van Lathan]

Are they looking at it?

[Billy]

Oh, no, it's about it. Just, like, from that top angle, it looked like. I was like, man, it looked like he, like, almost, like, slipped up or something.

[Joel Anderson]

He.

[Van Lathan]

He could be short.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Billy]

They're gonna snap it.

[Joel Anderson]

Let's be serious.

[Billy]

Oh, here we go. They're gonna look.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, there they go.

[Van Lathan]

Let's be short. Did you look at the. Look at the reverse.

[Joel Anderson]

Huh?

[Van Lathan]

And then the. The look that they just showed. Look at where the. Because is. Is that if I. If I'm looking at. If what I think is the first down marker is actually the first down marker, I might have been confusing it with the actual pylon.

But if. If the marker that I looked at and thought it was the marker is the actual marker. He was definitely short.

[Billy]

It looked funky. That's for sure. Yeah, that would be big.

[Joel Anderson]

Obviously, that's a. Isn't that reminiscent? I'm trying. What year was it that Ohio State played against Notre Dame? And I think Notre Dame got held out. Does anybody know? It was. It was Ohio State that lost. I'm trying to. God damn, man.

[Billy]

What year. What year?

[Joel Anderson]

This is like. That's, like three years ago.

[Billy]

Reference. Oh, okay. Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Remember, it was like, somebody failed on, like, 1978. A golden side. No, I wouldn't. I wasn't doing that to y'. All. I wasn't doing that to y'. All. Not this time. I don't remember what year it is. Oh, well, I can't look it up, man. I think it was. I think maybe it was Ohio State turned denied Notre Dame on a goal line or something like that. A goal line standard. Maybe the chat would do it. But anyway.

It'D be good. Check. So who. Who's right here? What happened? So.

[Van Lathan]

Has. We don't do moral victories here on ring or tailgate, but has Indiana already proven what they needed to prove in this game?

[Billy]

Yeah.

I think so.

[Joel Anderson]

It's not condescending to be like, man, I didn't. I really did not think y' all could put Ohio State into a dog fight. Right?

[Billy]

That's really all they had to prove. I mean, honestly, the Oregon game on the road in Austin, to me, was the first time I was like, oh, okay. Like, this is like, they just went head to head with these guys and beat them. But then again, we don't know how good Oregon Truly is just based on, you know, what we've seen and who they've played. But yeah, this game, this.

[Joel Anderson]

This is.

[Billy]

This is legitimate to just be in this position again. I mean, nobody's been in this position against Ohio State all year, right?

[Joel Anderson]

Duke's up 17. 10. 3, 3:53 left in the third.

[Van Lathan]

Man, Duke is going to get this done, aren't they?

[Billy]

Dude, I got a good D line, man.

[Joel Anderson]

They really do.

[Billy]

Yeah, they got a real pass rush. And Chandler Morris is running for his life.

[Joel Anderson]

Tom McShay was very complimentary of Dari Mensa. I gotta be honest, I have not seen a lot of Duke this year, but the way he talked about him, I was like, damn. Yeah, you know, I. I don't know, I thought with five losses, I was like, man, is this kind of a disappointing year? But no, he said he was. He's the real deal.

[Billy]

Just, you know, a few turnovers that are head scratching. But yeah, he's super talented.

[Joel Anderson]

Man, Chandler Morris looks so much like a UVA guy, man. Did he do that haircut that you this year intentionally? Just.

[Billy]

Oh, here we go. Jamar Taylor.

Nice.

[Van Lathan]

What are you looking at, Tate?

[Billy]

I'm looking at Jamari Taylor just got like a 17 yard run.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, really?

[Van Lathan]

First down, ACC championship.

[Billy]

I got both. I got that shout out to YouTube TV multi view, making everything possible.

[Joel Anderson]

All right, NC Central in the house.

[Van Lathan]

What happened? Why is Mendoza on the field?

[Billy]

Oh, wow. So he didn't get it. We were right.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh.

[Van Lathan]

Oh. Oh, my God.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Billy]

I mean, it looked. It looked wonky.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I was like. It looked like he had dropped the ball. I was like, did he fumble the snap or something?

[Billy]

I think he fell to his knee. Yeah, he was short and then. And then he was done. Man, this should have snapped.

[Van Lathan]

That was a weird. I mean, I have the game on mute because we're. Yeah, but that was a weird way to come back and just like. I can't hear it. I guess I. Maybe I miss it.

[Joel Anderson]

And that's how dramatic it seemed. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Billy]

But we didn't even get the replay.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, man, see, that's the thing, bro. It's just crazy because I remember when they played against Oregon and they bullied Oregon and it says, it's not like, again, Indiana is not just scheming it up against Ohio State and getting some, you know, getting some busted coverages or anything. They're actually like right there physically with them, man.

[Billy]

Yeah, it's not like flea flickers and like trick plays. It's like they're playing, we square up on the line and we actually play football. And they're, they're beating them, which is, you know, impressive, man.

[Van Lathan]

First down, Indiana.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I, I again, I always used to say that Bill Snyder at Kansas State is the best turnaround job I ever saw in college football. Like, I was just like for, you know, again, Kansas State was a really, really difficult place to win it. Not many people had done it until Bill Snyder. But man, if Kurt Signetti does this in his second year at Indiana, which is literally one of the losing his Power 4 programs in, in history, I mean, this has got to be the greatest coaching job. I mean, with, you know, irrespective of.

[Billy]

He was all time in my life.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's just crazy.

[Billy]

They're up 13 and 10 going in the fourth quarter right now if, if Indiana holds on. Last thing before you get out of here because we, we're, we're droning on and we got McShay coming on a little bit later, I think for the last five minutes.

[Joel Anderson]

Droning on. Damn.

[Billy]

Well, I mean, look, you know, we're supposed to get out of the way for McShay just to break the fourth wall for the people. We gotta let McShay and Mitch get there, get their hits off. But if Mendoza and Indiana win this game, is he the rightful Heisman? Do we feel good about that? Yes, that's how I feel.

[Van Lathan]

I feel, I mean, I'll be honest with you. There's not really a, a rightful Heisman.

[Billy]

It's a bad year.

[Joel Anderson]

I know you, you don't with Diego Pavia, but I think Diego Pavi should be the Heisman this year. God damn. That blitz.

[Van Lathan]

What they hit. What.

[Billy]

Really should be. I think he should be ceremony. I'm okay with the ceremony.

[Joel Anderson]

I really do. I mean, I just think he's like, meant more to his team than anybody else in the country.

[Billy]

It's.

[Joel Anderson]

With the exception of maybe Steve Angeli at Syracuse. Boy, I mean, Fran Brown better give you a lot of. Give you a couple million next year because you clearly were holding that whole thing together. But Diego Pavia, man, I think he should be the Heisman. I mean, I think he meant a lot to this team. He played well.

I mean, just everything that he's accomplished there at Vandy has been incredible. And we should probably clip this.

[Billy]

Yeah, we should clip it. Yeah. Because we got the poppy of hate out there. We'll get Joel to give some love out there. You know, we'll get both sides of it.

[Van Lathan]

I don't think that he should win. The husband.

[Billy]

I think.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I think he's better than Eric Crouch.

[Van Lathan]

I think he should be invited. Yeah, I think he should be invited. Eric Cross was on, like, the best team in the country that year.

[Joel Anderson]

They didn't win, though. They got their ass busted in the national championship game.

[Billy]

I like seven people to the Heisman ceremony this year, you know, because, like, there's nobody that's actually, you know, there's a lot of people that should be there. Like Jeremiah Love, I think should be invited. If you're not gonna give it.

[Joel Anderson]

If you're not gonna give it to Caleb Downs or Jeremiah Smith, stuff like that. If we're not actually giving it to who we think the best player in college football is, it's like. Like who. Who's the most important? Who's been the. The best and who's done the most with the league? That kind of. You know what I'm saying?

[Van Lathan]

Like, which year was Eric Crouch's Heisman years? 2001.

[Joel Anderson]

2001.

[Van Lathan]

So these are the. These are the stats, and you tell me whether or not these sets. Let's do this. Eric Crouch versus Diego Pavia. You tell me the stats. Okay, So.

[Billy]

I love a blind resume.

[Van Lathan]

Eric Crouch. Well, it's not blind. I'm gonna give you the. The. Let me tell you. Eric Crouch threw for 1500 yards. He had seven touchdowns and 10 interceptions.

[Joel Anderson]

Ran, okay.

[Van Lathan]

For 1100 yards and 18 touchdowns.

[Joel Anderson]

All right.

[Van Lathan]

On 203 carries. So he.

So he was sort of. Sort of, kind of.

The man as far as running the ball.

[Joel Anderson]

Wait, you said all those. You said all those stats and you. I. Oh, I was supposed to be impressed by Eric Crouch's numbers?

[Van Lathan]

I'm not saying that you were. I'm giving you the numbers.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, all right.

[Van Lathan]

I'm not even giving you the numbers. Like, they. They played Nebraska and they got. They, they. No, they played Miami and they got it put on tatas.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's right. That's right. Andre, man. Andre Johnson.

[Billy]

Crouch is from Omaha. He was in Nebraska.

[Joel Anderson]

I really got introduced to Andre Johnson in that game, and I remember him kind of like throwing. I think the corner was Ralph Brown to the ground. He just. I was. I felt so bad for Nebraska in that game. I was like, man, they don't. This game is not competitive at all. Yeah, I do remember Tim Couch. Joe. Joe Isadore. I think that's his last. His last name. Joe.

[Van Lathan]

Final BCS standings. Miami 1, Nebraska 2, Colorado 3. Look at that. Oregon, Ford, Florida, Tennessee, Texas, Illinois, Stanford, Maryland, Oklahoma, Washington State, lsu.

[Billy]

Maryland.

[Joel Anderson]

That's Dominique Foxworth team probably right there, man. One of those Ralph Fridgean teams.

[Billy]

Yeah, Ralph Friedman's a great coach.

[Van Lathan]

I don't understand how Illinois finished this. This high over lsu, you know?

[Joel Anderson]

What is that one of the teams with like, Juice Williams and Aurelius Ben and.

[Van Lathan]

Well, LSU beat them.

47 to 34 in the sugar Bowl. Oh, and finish. And we dropped a spot after that.

[Joel Anderson]

Why did you get so into the 2001 football season? What happened?

[Van Lathan]

Because you just brought up Eric Crouch.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, okay.

[Billy]

I think that's what we got to do in the off season, though. We got to go back and like, basically do like a. Like a re. Watchables of the year, you know what I mean, in college football, where we just break down what happened in college football that year, you know, and re. Litigate the process.

[Van Lathan]

Look at Mendoza. Look at Mendoza. Look at Mendoza. He ain't no hosa.

Fernando Mendoza ain't no hosa.

[Billy]

I like Heisman Doza. I think that's good.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't. I don't. You. You all don't think Fernando Mendoza is the best player in college football? Man, Come on.

[Billy]

I kind of like him. I know he's a little bit, like, nerdy and whatever else I think he's.

[Van Lathan]

Telling you, but you think Diego Pavia is more deserved than him.

[Billy]

Diego Duffy is at the UFC fight.

[Joel Anderson]

It's tough, man. I just, like, I. I think Mendoza has been very good, but I just. I don't know. I mean, you know, I wouldn't have a problem with any one of. Any one of the. These guys wanted Julian saying.

Diego Pavia or Fernando Mendoza, man.

[Van Lathan]

All right, let's look at the. Okay, before we go, let's look. Let's compare the stats. All right, so this year, yeah, Fernando Mendoza.

[Joel Anderson]

Has thrown for what, a segment. Look at the stats.

[Van Lathan]

Look at the stats. Fernando Mendoza, at this point has thrown for 2700 yards, 32 touchdowns, five picks.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, those are.

[Van Lathan]

With it.

[Joel Anderson]

That's a good. Those are good. Those are solid numbers.

[Billy]

A good year on potentially the number one team if they win this game.

[Joel Anderson]

By the way, Joel. I mean, again, I just. Yeah, I mean, then it'll be like. Like the. Probably the best or most important player.

[Billy]

Also, he did have a Heisman moment at Penn State, you know, he did have a Heisman moment.

[Van Lathan]

Has thrown for three, 100 yards.

27 touchdowns, and eight interceptions.

[Billy]

How much does he rush for?

[Van Lathan]

How much has he rushed for?

[Billy]

Probably like 800 something, I think.

[Joel Anderson]

Cedric Alexander is our leading rusher, but I think he's like not too far behind.

[Billy]

If he's a thousand yard rusher, that's impressive.

Yeah, if he's over a thousand, that's impressive.

[Van Lathan]

He ran this year for 826, man.

[Joel Anderson]

That's pretty good, man.

[Billy]

That is good. That's why I said 800 yards.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, it's a lot of offense, man. That's what I'm saying. I'm. I'm. I'm pro pavia for the Heisman. I know that the, that the tailgate has an anti pavia reputation, but I'm not a part of that. They didn't run my clip where I said that. I think, think that his career. He's going to go into the College Football hall of Fame.

Does it take Billy?

[Van Lathan]

They didn't run my club.

[Billy]

Oh, it's Billy. I think you're blaming Billy.

[Joel Anderson]

I know why we don't run my clips. It's fine. I don't care about my clips. I don't need.

I'm not a clip.

[Billy]

Why didn't you run Joel's club? That's the question.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm not a. That's fine.

[Billy]

You just snuck in. Diego, Pav is going to the College Football hall of Fame.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I think he's gonna be. I think he's gonna. One day he's gonna end up getting inducted to the College Football hall of Fame and it'll be a worthy induction and. Okay. Have y' all been to the College Football hall of Fame?

[Billy]

I haven't been to the new College Football hall of Fame.

[Joel Anderson]

I've been to them. I've been to both of. I went to the one in South Bend and the one in Atlanta.

[Billy]

I've been to the one in South Bend. I've never been to the Atlanta one.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

I'll tell you guys right now, boy, the audience is hanging in with us because we still got decent numbers for our audience.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

And we just basically. Let me tell you guys something right now.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Let's get off of here, man. I need to get relieved. My wife.

[Billy]

Billy's got to take care of his.

[Van Lathan]

Kids like Billy's got to take care of his wife.

[Joel Anderson]

Billy never brings him up. I don't know how too far. I'm just joking. I'm sorry.

[Van Lathan]

I can't bring the family into it. Billy's Cuban. The Cubans have a rule.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't. I don't know what sort of racism you're adulting right now.

[Van Lathan]

No wife, no kids. Kids. No wife, no kids. They talked about it in Scarface. That's a Cuban rule. No wife, no kids. Like Tony says this. Listen, you guys, share if. If you like what we're doing on tailgate, Share it with a friend. I said share it with a friend. Get a friend involved. Send the podcast to them. Get one of the clips, somebody that you like. There's this new show with this crazy guy that wrestles his classmates. Like, you guys could watch it. Like. Like, share the show. Share your favorite clip of the show with the friends. With your friends. This is the beginning. We're going like this, and we need you guys help.

[Billy]

And if you have any roof.

[Joel Anderson]

Raise our roof. Yeah, that's. Raise our roof.

[Billy]

I like that. Yeah. Come on. Yeah, that's nice. That's nice. That's a. That's a nice note to end on. I appreciate everybody tuning in to ring or tailgate. We are going to plan to be back on Monday. All things things. If we can get it worked out on the back end to react to the CFP rankings, the final rankings, we'll be there. We'll also be back on Wednesday. So we appreciate everybody tuning in. This is Ringer Tailgate again, like Van said, share with a friend. Come hang out with us. Let's raise the roof.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Oh, shout out. Shout out to Joe Isador, man. He's on his honeymoon and what, in Venice.

[Billy]

That's why you gotta share the show, right?

[Joel Anderson]

Our biggest. Yeah, man. One of them hardcore. Listen. All right, we can go now.

[Billy]

We can go now. Ringer Tailgate. Appreciate everybody tuning in and we will see you guys early next week.

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