Coaches on the Hot Seat, QB Rankings, and Is the SEC Leaving the NCAA?

Summary

Ringer Tailgate – July 22, 2026

Episode: Coaches on the Hot Seat, QB Rankings, and Is the SEC Leaving the NCAA?

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Episode Overview

The Ringer Tailgate crew—Van Lathan, Joel Anderson, and Tate Frazier—bring their signature mix of sharp college football analysis, infectious banter, and cultural tangents to this week’s episode. The main focuses: which college football coaches are on the hottest seats for 2026, a debate over the new quarterback tier rankings, and a deep dive into SEC rumblings about “seceding” from the NCAA. Along the way, the hosts riff on everything from Greek mythology to city rivalries, delivering a packed and lively pre-season show.

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Key Segments & Discussion Highlights

1. ALS Ice Bucket Challenge Call-Out & Podcast Banter

[04:00–13:00]

• The Challenge: The crew gets called out by Danny Heifetz to do a revived ALS Ice Bucket Challenge in honor of Chris Johnson’s recent ALS diagnosis. The hosts argue about social media performativity and reluctance, led by Tate.
  • Van: “You have to be excited to be a part of raising...awareness has the chance to start a fire of awareness around the problem...” ([06:40])
  • Tate: “I’m just not for the social media posturing, but for this situation…I’m game.” ([06:12])
• Who to Call Out Next? Names floated: Bill Simmons (“Bill cures ALS instead of doing it?” – [10:02]), Bomani Jones, Oprah Winfrey, Josh Pate, Tom Segura, Rachel Lindsay.
• Memorable moment: Classic crew ribbing for not wanting to do the challenge, with jokes about “sensitive nipples” and Tate recycling an old challenge video.

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2. Coach Hot Seat Rankings (via Andy Staples)

[31:09–39:56]

• List Discussed (per Andy Staples, On3): Lincoln Riley (USC), Bill Belichick (UNC), Bill O’Brien (Boston College), Mike Norvell (Florida State), Luke Fickell (Wisconsin), Mike Locksley (Maryland), Dave Aranda (Baylor), Scott Satterfield (Cincinnati), Shane Beamer (South Carolina).
• Biggest Surprises:
  • Belichick at UNC – Seen as clickbait but “enthusiasm has been sucked out of the building” ([31:44]), though hosts predict he gets at least three years.
  • Lincoln Riley – The “hottest” hot seat due to high expectations and the national spotlight at USC.
    • Van: “The coach right here that’s going to feel this pressure game in, game out, weekend, wink out, is going to be…Lincoln Riley.” ([35:11])
  • Others in Trouble: Norvell, Beamer, and Fickell noted as vulnerable, especially as programs like Indiana rise.
• Schedulers’ Anxiety: Discussion that “busting” for USC means only winning 8–9 games, which would be disastrous for their fanbase ([37:49]). The importance of matchups with Oregon, Ohio State, Penn State, and Indiana.

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3. Is the SEC Actually Leaving the NCAA?

[44:26–52:31]

• The Reported Plan: The SEC is rumored to be considering "Plan B"—forming an autonomous, self-governing superleague, rather than joining with the Big Ten.
• Skepticism & Impact:
  • Tate: “Absolutely saber rattling…They don’t want to play against each other, they don’t want to take over enforcement…just putting their thumb on the Protect College Sports Act or signaling to the Big Ten.” ([45:16])
  • Van: “No one seems to be thinking right now of the collective. We’re in a race…to capitalist dominance.” ([46:34])
  • Concern: The crew agrees breaking away would ruin college football's grander tapestry and tradition, even if likely just a negotiation tactic.
• Southern City Debate: Spirals into a Houston vs. New Orleans rivalry, merging culture, race, and city pride.
  • Van: “New Orleans is significantly more culturally relevant in every way than Houston.” ([49:10])
  • Joel: “Houston is growing. New Orleans is not.” ([49:55])

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4. Quarterback Tiers & Rankings Discussion

[52:31–65:06]

• Top Tier QBs (per The Athletic):
  • Trinidad Chambers (Oregon), Dante Moore, C.J. Carr, Darian Mensah, Julian Sayin, Drew Mestemaker, Arch Manning, Sam Levitt
• Debate Points:
  • A few “Tier 2” guys (ex: Marcel Reed) could be in Tier 1 based on talent but lack the ecosystem.
  • Noland Sellers in Tier 3 is “surprising” due to his previous top-five draft-hype ([54:05]).
  • Tier 3/4 drama: Rocco Becht, Bryce Underwood (at $12 mil, in Tier 4), DJ Lagway—questions about fit, system, and hype vs. performance.
  • Quarterbacks Need Systems: “Every quarterback is a system quarterback.” ([59:13])
• Aging QBs, Transfer Portal Oddities: Max Johnson’s long career gets called out. “Max Johnson played for LSU six years ago?” ([60:19])
• ‘Just Because He’s Black…’: Jokes about black QBs being typecast as runners, with Joe Milton as an example whose “show” is actually in the pocket—not on his feet.

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5. News Roundup & Segments

[68:49–86:03]

• Michigan AD Firing & Sharon Moore Drama:
  • The AD is fired after allegedly ignoring red flags about Moore's relationship with an assistant.
  • Joel: “They fired your black ass, man. I told you. …He had told Sharon Moore, ‘Hey, stop working out with your assistant in the gym. People on to that.’” ([68:49])
  • The crew marvels at Michigan’s resilience after back-to-back scandals but notes they seem “bulletproof” due to on-field success.
• Is One Championship Ever Enough?
  • Referencing NBA takes: Is winning a single title satisfying? Riff on "participation trophy" culture and shifting fan expectations.
  • Van: “…There’s just too much you have to go through…to call a championship a participation trophy.” ([75:26])
• Lane Kiffin = Adonis?
  • Kirby Smart called Lane Kiffin “the Adonis of all college football coaches” at SEC Media Days.
  • Banter about which coach is truly “the Adonis” (Van votes Freeman).
• Greek Mythology Tangent:
  • The Milky Way is explained via Greek myth: “Hera’s breast milk flew into the cosmos and it created the Milky Way.” ([83:22])
  • Discussion of how much in language/culture traces back to Greece (Mentor, Nike, city naming jokes).

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6. Locker Room Hijinks & Nicknames

[86:03–93:04]

• Mississippi State “Room 227” Video:
  • Crew reacts to viral video of MSU players dancing in the locker room; debate about generational changes and team culture (“everybody always thinks the current generation is softer”).
  • Joel’s college nicknames segment: “Big Naked”, “Milkman”, “Chicken Hawk”, “Platt”, etc., stories about football team inside jokes.

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Notable Quotes

• On Coach Hot Seats:
  • “The coach right here that’s going to feel this pressure game in, game out…is Lincoln Riley.” – Van ([35:11])
• On SEC Secession Threats:
  • “They don’t want to have to take over enforcement…this is saber rattling.” – Tate ([45:16])
  • “No one seems to think of the collective. We are in a race…to capitalist dominance.” – Van ([46:34])
• On Social Media Awareness:
  • “The awareness has the chance to start a fire around the problem that can do more than the $50 you sent them.” – Van ([06:40])
• On Systems & Quarterbacks:
  • “Every quarterback is a system quarterback.” – Van ([59:13])
• On Cultural Cities:
  • “New Orleans is significantly more culturally relevant in every way than Houston.” – Van ([49:10])

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Memorable Moments

• Ice Bucket Challenge Reluctance: Tate’s “Do I really want to self record myself?” turns into a full crew roast. Discussion devolves into jokes about sensitive nipples and “dark Tate.”
• Greek Mythology Tangent: Van explains how Hera’s breast milk created the Milky Way ([83:22]), sparking laughter and classic Ringer tangents.
• Locker Room Nicknames: Joel runs through wild college football nickname lore—“Big Naked,” “Platt,” “Chicken Hawk,” “Milkman.”
• USC Schedule Debate: Forecasts on whether USC can upset Oregon and become a playoff contender ([37:49–38:26]).
• Long QB Careers: Amazement at Max Johnson and Joe Milton still being at college level—“Max Johnson turns 25 later this month.” ([60:25])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• ALS Ice Bucket Challenge Banter: [04:00–13:00]
• Coach Hot Seat Rankings: [31:09–39:56]
• SEC Secession Talk: [44:26–52:31]
• Quarterback Tiers/Ratings Discussion: [52:31–65:06]
• Michigan AD Scandal / One Championship Debate: [68:49–77:57]
• Locker Room Stories & Nicknames: [86:03–93:20]

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Final Thoughts

This Ringer Tailgate episode features classic pre-season college football mayhem: spirited coaching debates, candid QB talk, worries about the SEC’s latest power moves, and signature sideline storytelling. If deep-dives, culture clashes, and playful chaos are your CFB style, this episode delivers.

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Listen for: legendary roasts, a Greek mythology lesson, insightful hot seat breakdowns, and the marathon of modern college football — all with energy, humor, and deep fandom.

Transcript

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[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Welcome back to Ringer Tailgate, the Wednesday edition of the show. It's a beautiful Wednesday, late in July. We're getting closer to college football returning. August is right on the horizon and we got a fun show for you today. And first and foremost, let's say what's up to our guys Van Lathan in San Diego for Comic Con.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Comic Con, I want to say shout out to everybody else is coming down to San Diego. Comic Con is upon us. I'm going to be here for the rest of the week. I cannot wait. It's going to be amazing. Avengers Doomsday in theaters this December.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Yeah, a lot of good stuff happening down there for the Ringer crew. Go, you know, celebrate the Ringer verse and have some fun hanging out with the guys. And yeah, the Odyssey also out right now. Go check it out. Let's say what's up to Joel Anderson in the UCLA rowing shirt. What's up, Joel?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

What's up, man? How y' all doing? You know things are good out here.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

That's what I'm talking about. We gotta raise the roof, bro. I'm gonna be honest, man.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Let's go back to it.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

I'm gonna be honest. So I stopped raising the roof because they said that the raise the roof was coming too early. But it feels like Joel is not up to the challenge of being introduced last he's the headliner and then raised on the roof. You keep forgetting to do it, bro. It's your shit.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

No, Tate, Tate, you're also not hyping us up. You know what I Mean, you're not saying something.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Yeah, normally when I would raise the roof, I'd. Yo, yo, yo, raise dad, bro. You like, man, raise the roof.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I was thinking, I was trying to, because, you know, actually it's funny because I was thinking about. Do you remember the Knuckleheads podcast?

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Yeah.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Darius Miles and I remember. Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. You know what I'm saying? They come in like that and it's a. Yeah, it's the blackest one. You know what I'm saying? That was one of my favorite podcasts, dog. And they were originators.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Yeah, man, they were.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I mean, they were dope, man.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

How good were they?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

And like, is podcasters or basketball players?

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

No, no, it's basketball players. They were cultural gods and they were great podcasters. How good were they on the court? Because I don't remember, like, how good a career Darius Miles had. And Quinn Richardson. How good were they?

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

They were good.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

They were. Yeah.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Like, they're in their hall of Fame good. But they were good.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

They were solid. I think Darius had, like, either it was knee or back issues or maybe both. They're kind of.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

It was also in the Clippers, like, really the real Clippers. Bad days, you know what I mean? So tough to get to.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

And they were like, showering over at junior colleges and shit like that.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Eight year career for Darius Miles. Career average, 10 points a game, 47% from the field. That's a good NBA career by any metric.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah. Yep. Yeah.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Double digits for a career. We'll take it. Before we get into the show, we got some good stuff to get to. There is, you know, some conversations happening. We got media days happening across the country right now. But we do have something that we have to address at the top of the show. Danny Heifetz, our friend, Joel's best friend.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

He's a good friend.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Well, he's put out a challenge to us, an ALS challenge to, you know, basically, you know, point out the fact that CJ2K situation and we have to do the ice Bucket challenge. And that has led us into a situation here where myself, Joel, Van Billy, we all have to take a video of ourselves dumping ice on our heads. This was a 2014, I believe, trend around the same time.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

No, maybe that was when it was something like that.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Yeah, 2014. But it's coming back.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

So Danny has called us out and now we have to, one, do these videos and then two, figure out our strategy here. So, Joel, I know that I pushed back a little bit, but, you know, we all have to do this. Billy, are you there?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I mean, was acting like he was for als, you know what I'm saying?

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

No, I. I just.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

He really was.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Tate, this is my donate. This is your worst moment in the history of the show tape. Just like, first of all, just so people know, you know, obviously, you guys know what this is for. We talked about it, the ice bucket challenge, and now it's for Chris Johnson, who very bravely went on, I think it was Good Morning America and talked to Michael Strahan about the fact that he's been afflicted with als. Tate is like, yeah, yeah. So. Hi, out now. You know, we have to do this. I'm like, you can't do it like that, Tate. You have to be excited to be a part of raising.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I'm excited for als, bro.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

You. You don't sound like at all.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I did it before.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Well, that's it. Before.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I was gonna say the worst part

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

is he's like, I think I have the old video. Can I put that one out again?

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Yeah, I don't think so.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, man. What is the problem? What's the problem? Like, what's wrong? Just do it.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Why? You don't want to do it?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

This is. You know what? He didn't want to wear a construction helmet, too. You remember that? Tate's not a team player, bro. Like, it really.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I am a team player. I'm just like, do I really want to self record myself? It just feels very like, look at me. You know what I mean?

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Jesus Christ. You're a liar. What is your problem? Yeah, like, dark Tate almost never comes out. We got a little bit of it with the essence, but dark tape almost never comes out. What is your issue with this? You clearly.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I have no issue. I just don't, you know, the social media posturing, I'm just not for it sometimes. But for this situation. Situation, I'm. I'm game.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Promotional visibility, that's important. Awareness. That's what this is all about.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Again, I donated family that have been afflicted by it.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, you know, I gave. I gave him a little change. That's cool. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, there's other ways to participate in society other than being a capitalist. Take like, sometimes you can just be like, hey, I wanna. I wanna elevate a worthy cause.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

I think the awareness is more important. I was a donation because the awareness has the chance to start a fire of awareness around the problem that can do more than the fucking $50 that you sent them. But you was giving 100.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Come on.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Oh.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

So I'm saying two Virgils. We're going to do this now. I will say this, though. I asked you a question, and we can move off of it, and maybe it's just the reason why you. You don't want to do it.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Okay.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Do you have sensitive nipples?

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Oh, no.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

A lot of times. Like, there was this guy that played ball with me back in the day, that Ryan day, and then like, yeah, exactly. If you get the ice bucket, like, he never wanted to go swimming because the water would be cold, and he would be like. It would make his nipples hurt. And I had never heard.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Wait, they would hurt? Oh, I thought they were gonna make

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

his nipples hurt because he said that he would get in the cold water. At first, we just thought he couldn't swim. He was like, I don't like to get in the cold water and swim because it makes my nipples constrict. And then they hurt. And maybe if you don't have. If you have the sense of nipple situation. Tate, you don't want to do the ice bucket challenge, because the ice bucket water, go get all your nipples, and then they gonna constrict and you're gonna have some pain. Is that why this is happening?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Well, Van. No. Before you answer, Tate, my theory was that you had your ex girlfriend who was on the moped with you, over you. You didn't want. And you didn't want to resurrect that because now you've moved on in life. You know what I'm saying? You're trying to make an honest man of yourself. Speaking of nipples, at that,

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

I think

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

the answer is simple. I just don't want to feel myself dumping water on my head.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

You know, it's.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

But guess what, Guess what. Guess what. You're gonna do it. What? This is hysterical that you're actually.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I just never have.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I'm not. I'm not against it. I'm just like, are there. Are there other ways?

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Matter of fact, I'm gonna come out to your house, I'm gonna dump the water on you, then you're gonna dump the water on me. We're doing it.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Y' all gonna get. Y' all gonna get wet together, huh? All right.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Together.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

By the way. By the way. By the way, the one thing I would say. Danny's my dog. I didn't know that you could assign four people. Like. I thought it was a one to one thing.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

No, it's a cap at three. It's a cap at three.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

It'S a typically. Oh, okay.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

At least in the old version. I don't know about the new version, but usually it's three people. But

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

I got tagged, so I. Do I have to. I mean, I'm.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Yeah, you got to do it.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

All right, well, I mean, this. I did a little digging, so it seems like Mina challenged all of the fantasy football guys. So then they did it, and then the fantasy football show then challenged, I guess, everyone here, which then leads to the question, to who do we then challenge afterwards to continue to raise the awareness?

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

The perfect person.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Okay.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Bill.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Bill.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

You thought I was bad. Wait till Bill.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

It's gonna be so funny because he ain't.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Is there a chance. Is there a chance Bill cures ALS instead of doing it?

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

I think that's. I think that's a sooner thing that would happen.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

This.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

That's the funniest thing. The funniest thing. Now, the flip side to that is you might challenge him. You might get pissed off that you put them on blast.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Who else could we do? I mean, I think of Bomani we could make. Because, you know, I would imagine Bomani would hate to do this as much as Tate would, too. I could. I could see him being anti this.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

I could see Bo. But I could also see Bo being into it. But, like, why don't we go for somebody? Like, why don't we challenge, like, Oprah Winfrey? Let's go. Let's.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Let's reach for Terry. Oprah Winfrey.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Josh Pay. We could challenge. Josh Pay. We could challenge other people in the college football. Let's go outside of the ringer and see what we could do.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Well, I think there's an obvious one that we need to do, even though he's going through a rough patch right now, which is Tom Segura.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah. Now, you could probably have one of his new girlfriends dump a little water over.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Oh, Joel, by the way, just to let you guys know, you. You guys are. You guys are hating. But the reality is that now, no, nobody wishes for anyone's marriage to break up. And Tom has a very lovely wife, very funny lady, very talented lady, as well. But now Tom about to be unleashed out here, man. Joe, you know what? That's life.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

So maybe you need some ice water, you know, calm him down a little bit, reset the system.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Tom's also looking good, if we're gonna be honest. You know what I mean? Best looked, maybe. Yeah.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, man. He probably been preparing for this for a long time. Did y' all see the clip?

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

What video?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Who was he talking to? With his wife and she was like, oh, he doesn't. He's never home.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Well, talking to Al Franken.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

He was talking about Frank Franken. That's right. Yeah, yeah. It was just like. And this is what I'll be talking about with y' all that y' all don't understand, man. Being away from home is a big deal. When you've got responsibilities around there, you need to be here.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

And sometimes I think Billy understands that.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, I think.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Yeah, I think Billy has a family.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Billy kind of goes

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

like, when you're talking about people who don't understand. I think Billy has a lovely family.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

He does, yeah.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

You can't compare your life of going

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

to LA, like, twice a year to

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

a stand up comics. Like.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, no, man, it would be four times a year if we. You van. You missed the meeting, dog, that we had before you came on. But we're talking about going places and. And it's like, yo, that's a lot. That's a lot of travel, man.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Well, this is why I would say there's a clear choice between being away from home too much and then not having a home because the show doesn't work. So it's a decision that people have to make. What did Tom Segura tell his wife? He said, you like your life, so there's a clear line. Or maybe, maybe, maybe you could do something else. Maybe on one of these trips, bring the, Bring the fan with you.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

No, man, there you go. I already talked about that with Janae. She's like, man, well, I'm just gonna raise my. I'm just gonna, like, have the kids in a hotel room, like, come on. And I was like, yeah, you know what? In all fairness, that does sound. Kind of sound like it would suck a little bit.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

You can't leave the kids with your mama, man.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

My mom is 74, dog. Like, no, I mean, she's a great. She can watch them one on one, but that's a lot of work, man, for two kids. For.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Because they're little kids, I feel.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

What you mean?

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

One of your kids is basically a cop, though. So, like, he can kind of.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

You can just watch over his point. I don't know if you guys know this, but, but, but, Joel, what is. Joe's. Joe's son Dance would not call him sergeant. Sergeant. He loves the police.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

No, so he can just watch over

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

the rest of the family.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

He's. He's being.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

He's an overseer.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

He's being revealed. You would know about that as the essence. You know what I'm Saying the essence. I mean, that's. That's the essence of that little malt shop diner y' all be going to. But anyway. But no, Des is just being rebellious because he knows the dad don't. Don't fuck with the police. He knows that daddy, you know, had issues with them getting stopped all the time. And so he's testing me, you know, saying he's like, no, the cops actually do keep you safe. And I was like, son, the reality is the police don't show up until shit has happened. You know, they don't. They don't very often stop anything bad from happening to you. They usually show up to do a report after it's over. And he's like, you're wrong. And I was like, all right. I was like, look, I love my son to death. I was like, but I hope you don't have to find out for yourself, brother. You know what I'm saying? Because I, like, I've been through it, you know? Now I understand why old black men just feel like they have a story to tell. Because I'm like, yo, I've been through it, boy. I'm telling you.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Damn.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

So you don't have to. You know what I'm saying?

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

But did I ever tell you guys about my Rush Limbaugh phase? We talked about it, right? We never talked about it.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

No, I don't think so.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

We never talked about this.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I can see it.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Okay. Yeah, you probably could. Like, so, like, in. So, like, boy, this is such a man. Rest in peace of my dad, bro. My dad did not have the fatherly subtlety that Joel has. So I'm at McKinley Middle, right? And we moved back to. McKinley Middle is a magnet school, but I was in the gifted program, so all my classmates were white. Magnet was a little bit more diverse, but the gifted program, it's a legitimately. In Louisiana. If you ask me, it's a form of segregation, like, because a lot of black parents don't know what to do to get their kids in the program. For me, the only, like, I. I. There was a standardized test that I took in, like, the fourth grade. And then they came to me, but everybody else was putting. They knew to put their kids into that program and stuff and get smaller, Smaller classrooms, all of that stuff, even at the same school. So anyway, all my classmates were pretty much white in there. And I met a guy named John Greco. And John. Me and John Greco. It was the, like, 92 presidential election. Me and John Greco would talk, and John would tell me about Rush Limbaugh big conservative. This is the seventh grade. And so I would wake up in the morning and watch Rush Limbaugh. I would wake up in the morning, like 6am Baton Rouge, and watch Rush Limbaugh. Rush Limbaugh would be talking about like, different shit that he wanted to do. He'd be completely dissing Chelsea Clinton the whole night. He had a little picture of a dog. He would call Chelsea Clinton the dog

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

and all that stuff like that.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

He was really a vile, vile human being when he was doing that. Now these guys came to the door canvassing for Bill Clinton, like central casting. Like, white guy, probably early to mid-30s, glasses, hat on it that said Greenpeace legitimately central casting. And they're canvassing in our neighborhood for Bill Clinton. And he's coming into a black neighborhood. He probably thinks he's. He's having a home game. He gets to the door, 12 year old van gets out there with all of these talking points that I'm getting.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Yeah, the rush points, man.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Look at you.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

I get it straight up going crazy. I'm like talking about this. I'm talking about Reagan. This guy is on his face going, what the is going on? My mother thought this was funny. She knew that it wouldn't last. My mother thought this was funny. She's like, let him explore. Let him find out. I remember the door closed. My dad looks at me, he goes, you Uncle Tom? He was like. He was like. He looked at me, goes, your Uncle Tom? He's like, who's that? He's like, guess what? I don't want to hear it no more. Yeah, I don't want to hear it. And then my mom was like, okay, son, now you know, now you, whatever. And she gave me the autobiography of Malcolm X. She. She had already laid the groundwork and laid the framework, but she was like, now you're in the seventh grade, that's kind of late.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

You were late to the party, bro. That's, that's right.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

She was like, you're gonna meet people that are gonna challenge you, and you need intellectual framework for the things you're saying.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

This is why you were boys with pate. And this is why you be listening Tucker Carlson and shit like that. When you were doing that, I was trying to join the Nation of Islam, okay? Like, I had my dad. My dad took me to Farrakhan, came to Houston in 93 to talk to TSU. I had him go, the reason I don't eat pork today is because of that. Like, it just. I'm not in the Nation of Islam, you know, things change. You know, your politics evolve or whatever, but I, I. The one thing that did stay was the not eating pork and the white women thing.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

You know, it didn't stay. You know what's funny about that? What's funny about that? And this is very funny. It's funny that you would say that. What's funny about that is that you bring up the Nation of Islam.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I know that they're conservative. I know that they are.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

That's all about to say. Hold on, wait. But wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. There's actual story. My cousin Daryl. The Nation of Islam is big in Baton Rouge. My cousin Daryl was in the Nation of Islam. The Nation of Islam saved Daryl's life. Yeah, you can say whatever you want to say. The Nation of Islam saved Daryl's life. Without a doubt. My cousin Daryl was in the Nation of Islam. Daryl had no problem with Rush Limbaugh. This. This became a whole big thing because the. I mean, the anti black stuff of it was something that you didn't lead with on television. But most of the things that he were talking about, what was. Were pretty conservative. I'm not gonna say he had no problem with him. But there was a lot of stuff that they would talk about that there was overlap there, which was another thing at that time that was kind of confusing for me at times because a lot of the stuff that Daryl would be talking about, he would talk about women being chased. He would talk.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

What.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

What are we doing? Is this a college football podcast? What the.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

By the way, the last thing I

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

was gonna say it's about ALS is how this started.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Yeah, we gotta figure out who we're sending the ALS or request, too. That's really what we got to figure out.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Let's do Daryl.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Obviously. Rush.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Let's do Daryl. We can't do Rush. Let's do Daryl.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Let's do.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Let's. Let's do. Let's do people in our lives.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Fat count.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Fat count would be great.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

You're not gonna do fat count?

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Joel said Fat count won't engage with us.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Happy anniversary, Fat Count.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Happy anniversary to Fat Count, man.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I'm gonna raise the roof for Fat Count.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

That's a fat count, bro.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, man. A married man. He's doing well, man. His son graduated college. That's what's up. Van. So first of all, so everybody on the ring of Tailgate. I got a 4,000 word essay on Jay Z coming out tomorrow on the ringer.com, and I'm like, Yuvan was supposed to call me back. Help me out. This is what I'm talking about, man. Y' all don't want me to come out to LA and Van's gonna leave me on red every time. That's responding to you. But then you didn't follow up.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Is your.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

We're figuring out the la.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Don't do the follow up.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

It's your essay.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

You.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

If you need to do it, you hit me up.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Okay?

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

If. If you hit me and we can do the thing. Call me, man. We should do the essay.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I said, all right. Just hit me up whenever. Tell Donnie I said, what up? That was the next day. Hey, what's up, Donnie? That's what's up.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

What? Donnie?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, what's up?

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Like, it's hitting me. It's your essay. This is your problem. Like you. It's. It's your essay, so just hit me up when you want to do it.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Too late.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Coming out tomorrow. It's coming out tomorrow. Send it. Send it to your people, though. It's coming out tomorrow, you know?

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Send to what people?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

The people I was trying to get hooked up with.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I will. Okay. I will for sure.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I think. Joel thought that you were at the ROC Nation brunches.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Oh, by the way, that's a can of worms. They're gonna love that.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Oh, really? I'm excited. I will. I don't want to get into it too much. I know I'm not allowed to talk about it, but I do have Cap's book. Oh. I wasn't supposed to say his name. Let's move on.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

All right. So who. Who are the three that we're sending it to? Can we. Can we lock it in here? Bill Simmons, or is that too much?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

It's. It's interesting to send it to a woman, don't you think? To ask a woman to get dunked in water. That's kind of. Kind of questionable.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Tough.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

What?

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

I wouldn't even think about that, bro.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Yeah, I wasn't thinking. Why'd you take it to that place, Joel?

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Yeah, it's like, that's.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I'm thinking about that because I wouldn't do it. I'm just like, ah, you know what? That kind of be kind of, you know.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Shut up. So. So. So. Bill. We gotta do Bill. Because now if we don't do it, it's gonna feel like we. And we scared.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

We're gonna feel like we find.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

All right.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Yeah, maybe. Fine.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Bomb.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

No, they don't. Don't. I didn't do Yeah, I can't wait to go on Fine bomb this fall.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

We know.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Oh, we know.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Look, don't talk. Don't talk to the r. Limbar fan over here. Don't put that on me.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Nah, me and Rush didn't end up going to a good place. Me and John Greco actually didn't end up going to a good place. Like.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Like, should we send it to John Greco?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Where's John Greco at? Like, me.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Me and.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Me and John Greco didn't even. We ended up not being friends, man,

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

because that's too bad.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Sucks. Yeah.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

He saw you reading Malcolm X. He was like, fan's not who I thought he was.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, that's real.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

That probably heard him. All right, so Bill, maybe Tommy Alter. That's who Joel would want. Joel wants.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I don't know. Tommy, That's y' all boy. I assume y' all gonna see him at dinner sometime soon. So. Yeah, bring it up. You know, y' all could talk about it with. With the fine that was there apparently, or whatever you keep.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

That's everything that every time you do that, you're not with us with us. Every time you do that, that's. That's showing. You're always looking to poke holes in somebody.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Wait a minute.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

You have something that's not real. That's not real, bro. Every time you do that, you don't

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

know who business you putting out there.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

That's not real.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

You got the third person we should do.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

The third person we should do. Let's do Rachel.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

All right.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Rachel. Lindsay.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Bill. Rachel. You don't want to do that, Joe. Okay, Joe. You pick the people, bro.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

No, wait. No, I like that. I mean, you. You are proffered the inv. Relationship to Rachel. That's good. So we had Bill, who was the second person.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Let's do Bill Bomani. Rachel. Lindsay.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Wait, why. Why did they do four? Do we do three or four?

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I think you do three. They did four for everybody in the show.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

All right.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

That's what I assume.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Tom Segura got off easy.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

He did. I mean, I'm telling you, he's living his life now, man.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Should Tom Segura.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Pretty easy a lot, man. Shout out to Tom, bro.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Maybe he should come on the show someday. I don't know. We'll see.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I think Van has to post it. That's all I know. That Van has to be the one to post the. The carousel the same way that hyphens did. You know what I mean? Because, like, if it's me, this is the way.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

What Is your deal. What is your. What's. I really. I've never.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I don't want to.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

What's the deal, bro? Like, what's the problem, man? What's. Like, what's the problem?

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I'm not a poster boy, you know.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Wow.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

You don't want to raise awareness for als?

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I want to raise awareness, but are you forming dise.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

You know what happened, bro?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Bro.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

One of the funniest jokes that ever got uttered at tmz, it had to get cut out, is that we got a celebrity that was doing on a cancer walk that was walking as a cancer walk, and one of the guys in the office was like, does anybody ever walk for cancer? And we were like, what? He was like, well, who walks? Does anyone help cancer? Cancer needs some help. And we. And we all looked at him, and then after a while, we laughed and we decided to take it out of the show because it was absurd. Yeah. I never, ever, ever met somebody that was pro the disease until I met Tay Frazier, who is obviously, for some reason.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

It's crazy, bro. Als, bro, You've been talking this shit.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

You can't. I mean, you. I'm just anti performative behavior.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Behavior.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Oh, I mean, that's.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Oh, that's. Yeah. Raising awareness for als. So Mina, Mina kind of talking. Maybe you are trying to start beef with Danny. Who else is?

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I'm not starting to be. It's not. It's not anybody.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

You're being performative.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

I hope to take trying to help

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

people the words of Anderson, Tate Frazier.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

So we have two people starting beef with Mina this week. It's Tate with the Ice Bucket challenge. And then Joel was out there talking about the fact that Mina was on the rewatchables, saying, why. Why can't I talk about.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Oh, I didn't say I want to talk about.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Yeah, you did.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

You put it on your story. Why'd you have Mina on there?

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

I could talk about Hitch.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I love Hitch.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

No, that's not why. First of all, they. Sometimes y' all can have as many as four or five people on rewatchable, so. And is it.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

I could be on there. Not normally.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I could be on there with Mina. That's fine. Me and Mina know each other. I mean, me and Mina are cool. That's fine. I could have been on there with her. No, no, no problems with me and Mina. But yeah, I mean, Hitch is a movie that I actually like and have watched over and over again, unlike Tropic Thunder. I mean, you know, this.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

This rewatch. I got t. This rewatchable thing that you continue to do is weird. It's weird. It's weird.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I just love that you put it on your story. Like, this should have been me.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

It wasn't that.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

And then.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Because he doesn't look at my stories. But look, Hitches is a good movie. And I was just like, okay, finally something that Joel can get involved with on rewatchables. In fact, I had the idea the other day, I was looking up old movies, and I was like, I wonder if there's a rewatchables for that. And I'm gonna look at. I'm gonna listen to them. I'm gonna go back and listen to the one about coming to America and all this other man. So, yeah, I'm about to get into it.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

So I'm gonna say this, Joe, you still don't seem to understand that you were put on the rewatchables for a beloved, highly anticipated rewatchable.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Like, no, I wasn't.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

What the Are you talking. Yes, you were.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

For another movie.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

You were put on there for a mo. That everybody had been wanting on the rewatch.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I was put on ever that I was asked about a whole nother movie at first. And then all of a sudden, the momentum went to Tropic Thunder, and I couldn't say nothing about it because the momentum, it won out. But I didn't realize that it was. It was not okay to say it was okay, but I was ready for the movie to end. You know, that's not saying it's bad. I didn't say it was ride, but I just.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

You know, that's the same attitude I have towards the Ice Bucket Challenge.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

No, man. No, no, that's. No, that's bad, bro.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

I don't know. I don't know what y' all got on, bro. We gonna do the Ice Bucket Challenge. I brought my PlayStation portal with me remote play, so I'm gonna be playing that later. If you guys see me around. I don't know why I brought that up. We're gonna do the Ice Bucket Challenge. We're gonna do the Ice Bucket Challenge. And we're doing it.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Excited.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

We got. We gotta do it.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Every.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Every.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Everybody on this podcast gets to say one thing throughout the rest of the year and just make one decision. So Joel can just be like, hey, we're doing this. You know, with Joel, it'll probably be like going, no with white ladies. So, like, it's like. It's like. Like, we're doing. We're doing this. Everybody gets one for the rest of the Year. Everybody gets one. We're doing it.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Billy gets one. Joe gets one. Tank is one. Everybody, we're doing this as a crew. No vote. We're doing it.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Okay. All right. I was excited to do it.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Yeah, we're doing it. Lock it in. We're gonna take a quick break. We're gonna hear from our sponsor. When we come back. We got one big reaction. We're talking about the hot seat. We'll be right back after this. This episode is presented by ea Sports College Football 27 where you can define your path and road to glory with deeper customization and new positions. And the fun doesn't have to end when school's out. With the MVP bundle, get access to College Football 27, Madden NFL 27 and more rewards to help you go from high school recruit to NFL superstar. Make your eyes learn more about the MVP bundle now. Conditions and restrictions apply. See EA.com games EA sports-college-football/college-football-27 game-disclaimers for details. All right, we're back. One big reaction. Andy Staples, big fan of Andy, like what he does. He put out a hot seat for on three and I have the names. I want to get a reaction from you guys. What name stands out? And I'll read the names here and we'll get into it. The first day on the list was a pretty big shocker I think. But if you're in la, maybe not. Lincoln Riley of USC on the list according to Andy Staples, Bill Belichick at my alma mater on the list. Bill o' Brien at Boston College, Mike Norvell at Florida State, Luke Fickle at Wisconsin, Mike Loxley at Joel's favorite school, Maryland, Dave Aranda at Baylor, Scott Satterfield at Cincinnati and Shane Beamer after a four win season at South Carolina. Van, I'll go to you first. What name stands out to you amongst the hot seat list that Staples put out?

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Bill Belichick. I ask you, do you think that Bill Belichick the rest of these coaches is pretty straightforward. Although I wonder if the financial situation with Mike Novell makes him being let go a realistic scenario here anytime soon. I guess there is a breaking point that they be willing to pay that. I don't know what the financial situation is with the FSU kind of higher ups, but are you surprised that Bill Belichick will be listed on this after one season of coaching?

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I'm not surprised because it gets the clicks, you know what I mean? I also do think that he is in a situation where it was so bad last year that even if they win six games this year and make a, you know, a bowl game, the enthusiasm has been sucked out of the building. And I think Jordan has been doing the sucking and she has taken out

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Tate some other Today, man.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

What Tate? What version of Tate is on this podcast? Coming down ALS challenge. He's going straight for what day. What the is going on with.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

There was so much excitement. There was such a build up. Remember last year, Labor Day TCU game? You know, they sits down with Nick Saban at the desk. Saban's talking about how this North Carolina situation reminds him of when he went back to Alabama. Nick Saban didn't have a great first year at Alabama. People forget that. But again, Bill Belichick, I think he's fairly on this list, but I don't think that he would be fired after this season. I think he gets at least three years. So, you know, I'm not shocked by it, but it is wild to see how far we've come from what we were last year at this time.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I agree. I mean, I do think the thing is, I think they have to give him. They.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

I don't.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I guess it depends on how bad it gets, right? Because like you said, there's no energy, but they have a whole new freshman. I mean, they decided, you know, your boy Lombardi decided, okay, we're going to try some different shit. We're going to recruit a lot of high school players while everybody else is getting old.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Well, that extends the leash.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

That's what I was going to say. It may give them another year to pull this grift off, but I don't know, man. So maybe it depends on how low they can go. But I just, I just. Can you sacrifice your program for three years? Like, they needed to get better and get better quickly. And I mean, I don't know, man. I don't know if. I don't know if Billicheck got it.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

New athletic.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

The hottest hot seat on this list is.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Yeah, please.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

I think it's Lincoln Riley, man.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Wow.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Let me tell you why I think the hottest hot seat is Lincoln Riley. Because if you look at the rest of these coaches, with the exception of Mike Norvell and maybe Luke Fickle, these coaches are coming from programs that aren't high profile college football programs, right? So, like there, there is obviously a fan base and a, an entity of a fan base and a culture that surrounds all of these teams. But the one team on this list that is a gigantic national brand that has everybody looking at them to where when he was brought there, he was brought there to recapture the Pete Carroll glory days of sc. This was supposed to be the move that was going to make SC not just relevant again because they were pretty relevant even when they weren't winning at the level that we used to be accustomed to them winning. But they were supposed to make them power, a power like the rest of these coaches aren't really going to have their jobs litigated by the national press as much as maybe Luke Fickle, yeah, Wisconsin does. Maybe Luke Fickle does. For whatever reason, what's going on with Florida State hasn't kind of made that type of news in terms of being that type of saga. Florida State still remains Florida State. But I think the coach right here that's going to feel this pressure game in, game out, weekend, wink out, is going to be, it's going to be Lincoln Riley.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, I can see that. I mean, because it's funny, you actually took the two that I picked, usc, Florida State and yeah, I mean this, I guess the thing you could say about Lincoln Riley this year is that so you got a senior quarterback who is a, you know, early round NFL prospect, you've got an expensive defensive coordinator and Gary Patterson, you've got this huge, this great recruiting class. I mean, if it's not going to happen now, when is it going to. Yeah, then when is it going to happen? And so I could totally see USC fans being like, I mean so they've got, on their schedule, they've got Oregon, Ohio State, Indiana and Penn State and like where do you think they go in that four game stretch?

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

SC to me is still, I'm not copying, out of the question. SC to me is still has the capability to be one of the biggest boom teams in college football. I don't think that they can bust, I don't think that they will bust. I don't think that link. I think that Lincoln Riley has kept them from having the disastrous four win, three win season. Right. I don't think that'll happen. But them busting for their fan base is winning eight or nine games, that's a, that's a bust season for them. So I don't think that they'll be a complete failure. But I do think that if things come together and the, with everything that they got going on and the people that they're bringing back that they could be a really, really competitive team. So I kind of don't know like how to call it. I don't know what I expect SC to be. SC could be a legitimate contender or they could just kind of be what they've been before, which is an interesting team to watch.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Right. And I, I like, my thing is, is that I think nobody reasonable expects them to beat Ohio State. Like, right, like, oh, they're not winning that game. They're not probably not going to win that game. But you look at Washington, Penn State in the new year, first year coach, Oregon, I could see them being like, wait, why do we. Wait, I don't understand. Why is Oregon. Why does, why does it affect the college football that Oregon is the better program right now? You know, if you're a USC fan, I could totally see that. Or looking at. And like a lot of, like a lot of coaches who are going to get fired because of Kurt Signetti, I'm sure a lot of them are looking at like, well, there's no excuse. USC should be able to do what Indiana did. So, like, the only scheduled loss that

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

I see on this is Ohio State. I do think that Oregon's stronger than sc. Yeah, like, I think that Oregon is. I think Oregon's stronger than sc, but

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

they get both those games at home. That's a really big win for them. I, I kind of think they're in a great spot. If you upset Oregon late in September, I mean, all of a sudden we're talking about USC in a totally different light. They might be a team that can make the playoffs.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

That, that's, that's an announcement game for them. They win that game, then, you know, they have all you, you win that game. You're saying, hey, we're here. We're ready to compete. Not just from a Big Ten level, but we're ready to compete at the highest levels because Oregon was a playoff team that a lot of people thought had a legitimate shot in the national championship last year. The interesting game at the end of the year will be SC and Indiana.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, man.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Because we're going to know pretty quickly what Indiana is now coming off the national championship victory that they had. But at the end of the day, that game might be a playoff eliminator for both teams. If Indiana's not quite as dominant, that that's a game that they need to get. And if sc, say beats Oregon, but trips up somewhere along the line, lose to Ohio State or whatever, see how many. That might be a really, really important game for them. I don't know if they can win it because of what, what Indiana put on the field last year, but I also haven't seen what Indiana is going to put on the Field this year.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

If I give you, let's say, four names on this list, we'll be let go by the end of the year. Would you take the over or the under? Nine names on the list.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Let's see. One, two. That's a, that's a good, that's a good place to set the line. I, I think three. I don't want to go four yet. I, I see three. I see Mike Norville. I see Shane Beamer.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Shane's on life support.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, like, like they got you. So you got rid of the offensive coordinator you brought. Congrats. Thank you for taking Kendall Brawls off our hands. We really appreciate it, Shane. And so now you got that. And you got Lenore Sellers, Dylan Stewart, maybe the best quarterback and maybe the best defensive end of college football. You can't do it now. Then when are you gonna do it? Right?

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

What about Luke Fickle? Of all things on this list? I think that the fan base is wearing as thin with him as, like, pretty much anywhere.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, he's a good coach too, I think so. The good thing for Luke Fickle is that this year they were like, all right, let's put some money back into the program. Let's get a good transfer class. But I didn't. I know they, they brought some folks in, but I didn't hear it ring out like, I didn't hear Wisconsin landed, you know, Camp Coleman or something. So it'll be really interesting and because I definitely, again, it's the Indiana thing. It's like, wait, why are we. Why is Indiana so much better than us? I can see them looking at that, like, Wisconsin, like, we. We are a great college town. The tradition, like, we can, we can recruit, jump around. Jump around. Yeah.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

So they can that horseshit, though, like, it's so, so it's like the reason why. I understand people using that metric as a reason why their team should be better or how the fuck are we losing? People in the SEC say that about Vanderbilt. Well, how the fuck are we getting swiped by Vanderbilt? How's Vanderbilt has a better system and program than you do right now? The end. That's the answer. The answer is that the reason why you would lose to Indiana is because Indiana hired a coach that figured out a way to put a dominant football team on the field. You're not doing that. Sure, you should be better than Indiana, but right now you're not.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Well, usually the thing is, and Indiana is truly unprecedented, usually in a league, if you lose to Vandy, if you lose to Kansas, like Those are losses that get you fired, you know, if you're at the right school. And that used to be Indiana, but now you can't really say that because Indiana, like, may have the best coach in modern history and, like, they just won a national championship and they went to the playoff the year before. So this is, it's a totally different program. They're no longer a doormat. But again, I'm sure that people are just not used to looking up and being like, man, Indiana's kicking our ass. Like, why are they, why is this happening?

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

What I'm proud of, well, not proud of. What I think is gonna be interesting about the Indiana team next year is just a quarterback that has the opportunity to really compete at a real program, right? So I think that Indiana's gonna play with their hair on fire because they have a quarterback that now has the opportunity. Okay, man, college football is. Did you see what your boy Jordan

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Cena was doing, man?

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Put him on a big stage.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

He wanted to be on the big stage.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Okay.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

He wanted to be out of the monster power Center, Big 12. And, and now, and now he gets a chance. No, seriously, all jokes aside, do you think, do you think that Hoover, from what you've seen, you've watched him closer, more closer, more closely, should I say, than Tate and I. You see him having success in offense?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, I think he's really good. I, I, I'm sad to lose him, but we almost lost him to Tennessee the year before, and he stayed, he stayed put. So I think he's got a lot of. And the way that I think about it is that when Fernando Mendoza went down to Indiana, nobody thought of him in the way that they thought about him. And Josh Hoover thus far has been a more successful college quarterback. Now, I know that Todd McShay and some other ones had identified Fernando Mendoza as a guy that would be an early round draft pick, and Josh Hoover's not at that. But in terms of the success they've had in college, Josh Hoover probably has a better resume at this point than Fernando Mendoza did. So, yeah, surround him with a really great defense, a solid offensive line, is receiving core. He has all American out there, Charlie Becker. So, yeah, I mean, I think he's going to have a really good year.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Yeah, I would say so. I think it's a good spot for him. And yeah, the hot seat. There you have it. We'll do, we'll talk about that a little bit more. But I thought those nine names are fascinating. Let's get to the story of the Week, week. The SEC is in the mid. In the midst of media days right now. We have a few stories that have come out, but one of the biggest ones is this. We've heard about a super league. The rumblings for quite some time there was kind of the assumption that the super league would include the Big Ten and the SEC joining together to form this super league. But it seems like the SEC has a different plan. They're calling it Plan B, which is a self governing model in which the league enforces its own rules and perhaps even competes against its. Its own members only. So they would basically box out everybody and they've updated the chant. Now when they say sec, the other side of the stadium will chant E, D, E. They're gonna secede as the SEC is, you know, willing to do. They're gonna secede from the NCAA model. Van, your thoughts on the SEC new updated model?

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

I think that there's. Well, I want to ask you guys a question. Do you think that this is a power play by these leagues? Because if the SEC did this, obviously there would be a domino effect to where you'd have. You'd go into like, maybe like a Champions League type of situation, like a Premier League type of situation, SEC, Monster Power Center, Big 12, Big 10, and then you get winners of those leagues and then you get like, I don't know, do you get a Champions League situation where there's a separate Champions League? All of those things. The first top two teams, you do it like European soccer or like whatever, whatever. Us aside, do you feel like these threats are actually real?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

No.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Or do you feel like these threats are meant to put pressure on college football to structurally and economically change?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Oh, it's absolutely saber rattling. They don't want to play against each other. They don't want to have to take over enforcement. They don't want all the things that you have to do. And then I'd like to. Your, your, your labor issue with the players changes. Like all of that would fight because that's, that's an NCAA thing, right? So when you decide, all right, we're stepping outside of this, then all of a sudden you've got to take over all that stuff and you got to renegotiate how you're going to deal with your players. So there's no way they're going to play by themselves, but they're just trying to either put their thumb on the Protect College Sports act or it's a signal to the Big Ten that, hey, the time is now. Let's go. You Know, but they. There's no way that they want to do that. Like, it's just. It's good.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

It's a veiled threat from Sanki, you

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

know, it ain't veiled. I mean.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

So I guess it's unveiled.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Yeah.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

But to answer Tate's question, like, the Southernmost league. Well, maybe not the southernmost league is Southern now, you know, Big Twelves in the south, whatever. But the. The team that represents. Talking about seceding, it's just like. It's such a stupid, idiotic. Look, the entire thing, everyone seems to be. This is my main problem with college football right now. My problem with society right now.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Oh.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Is no one seems to think right now of the collective. We are in a race in almost all situations to capitalist dominance, and we're really just having arguments about who should be the dominant thing. No one's considering the entire ecosystem of what happens up.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Me before we.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Huh?

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

It's me before we.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Yeah. And so, like, you know, there's a lot of money to be made off college football. There's a lot of people to benefit from the money being made on. On college football, but everybody is thinking about their part of it, and I get that, and I understand that. But another reason why the SEC breaking away is not a good idea or is a terrible idea or something that I don't like is because it ruins college football. It ruins what has made college football special. That's not what. The SEC isn't its own league. The SEC is a part of this grander cultural tapestry that has made up this incredible lore and traditional that makes this sport special. So I get that the money dictates that you have to do this and think about it and all of this stuff like that, but it's whack. At the end of the day, it sucks.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah. I mean, what the thing is, is that, again, they don't want to do this. This is just talk. They really want to. They really want somebody to step in and, you know, organize the college football in a way that they think is feasible. Right. And so, you know, the irony is

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

that they want regulation.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah. Yeah, man. Well, you know, maybe they just, like, again, they. They like this labor model that we've been thinking about. Slavery, you know, would be really cool, you know, down there, you know, the Deep South. You know how they do it. Yeah. Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama. A lot of Limbaugh fans down there.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Texas is woke.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Hey, y' all ain't got nothing like Houston Tech in Louisiana, though.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

All I know is if South Carolina comes out first, Louisiana ain't got nothing like Houston. That'd be funny.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, of course not. What the. Have you ever been to New Orleans? Yeah. Have you ever been in Houston, dog?

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

New Orleans in Houston? Yeah.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

New Orleans ain't Houston, bro. New Orleans, you know, you live in Baton Rouge.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

New Orleans is Houston. No, no, hold on. Hey, guess what. Hey, guess what. Guess what, Guess what, Guess what. Houston's over Baton Rouge. Put a pin in it. It's done. Not even close. But I will tell you right now that New Orleans is significantly more cultural, culturally relevant in every way than Houston.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

That's an old paradigm.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

All right, cool. Hey, Joe, go workshop that one of the ports. Go workshop that one of the. I'm not even arguing with you guys.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

In this hemisphere. Yeah, Petrochemical port. Yeah. I mean, it's all town. It's like all that shit. You know what I'm saying? Old town. Yeah.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

I mean, the birthplace of jazz.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I mean.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Well, yeah, I mean, that's great. That.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I mean, that.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

That is great.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

It has a lot of. It has. It has a lot of cradle of cultural history. But, like, I mean, I don't wanna. Don't put me in a position where I gotta say something bad about New Orleans because I like New Orleans. No, but I mean, like, it's just. It's not.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

But, But. No, but just.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Houston has grown. Houston is growing. New Orleans is not.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

We used to. We used to drive. We used to drive to Houston to see fancy cars, like from Baton Rouge. Baton Rouge and Houston are not. It's not. They're not playing the same sport. They're not playing the same sport. But New Orleans is a more culturally relevant city than Houston.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I mean. No, wait, we didn't. You narrowed it down to culturally relevant. I'm talking about. People care more in terms of cities. They're important to how America functions.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Oh, this is the thing that I love about Joe. Joe gets to. It's. It's culture when. It's culture now. He's just thinking about, when did we start talking about. Now it's just about corporate.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

We.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Petrochemical.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

No, wait, no. When did we talk about culture? I never. I don't remember how to come.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

We got oil culture.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

But anyway, we got that.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

We got oil. I love. I love. I love New Orleans. I've had some great times in New Orleans. You know what I'm saying? One of my favorite cities in the country.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

I hope it's all majority black city.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Majority black city. Yeah. I mean, look, bro, just, you know, I. Look, I'm a Houston. Everybody knows I'm a Houston partisan, so it's whatever. But yeah, anyway, the whole point.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I mean, Texas would be implicated in the sec.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

You know, Texas would definitely be implicated.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

They would be seceding as well.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

That's true.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Texas SEC and

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Oklahoma seceding as well. So. Yeah, that would be fascinating. I just honestly think that would hurt. Hurt everybody involved. So I. I can't see it actually happening. But again, they did put it out there. Not a super league.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Hey, man, you know. You know who running Houston? I'm looking at the percentages over here, man. I didn't realize this about Houston. Joe, what's the largest group of people in Houston?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Latinos.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Shout out to Living la vida Local. Raise the roof.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Billion man.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Yeah, it was like, right? Like, raised.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Oh, wait, what is it? Are you gonna put them in white? Are you gonna put them in.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Nobody else's team?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

No, no, no. But Houston is culturally black, bro. Like, again, people. People know what Houston is about. We influence the culture that, say, the music, everything else. So, like, don't. I mean, again, why am I. Look, we black and brown people, we're. We're a wonderful melange of flavors and cultures in the city. So we should.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Just the same. It's black and brown.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, we should.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Louisiana is black the same.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I didn't say. I said that we share the cultural influence in that town. That's right.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

There you go.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

My city's growing. One is not. But whatever.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Shout out to Houston. Shout out to New Orleans. Let's shout out the athletic here. We got some QB tiers. So they did a. This is a one big ranking for the week. Joel sent this to us, and I went through, which I found fascinating. So we have seven tiers of quarterbacks in college football that they went through, and rank them all. And I'll start with tier one. Here they had Trinidad Chambers at number one, Dante Moore of Oregon at number two, C.J. carr, Notre Dame, Darian Mensah, Miami, Julian Sand, Ohio State. Drew Mestemaker, obviously playing at Oklahoma State. Arch Manning at Texas, and Sam Levitt at lsu. Does that feel like tier one to you, Van? Is there anybody missing?

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

No, that feels like no JKs, but,

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

you know, that's a talent.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

It's a. It's tier one in terms of what these quarterbacks are in, the programs that they are. That they are in. If this was just a list of dogs, then there are a couple of guys in tier two that I would probably put in Tier one.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Marcel Reed, maybe.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Marcel Reed would be in there if we're just talking about like, like talent. But a lot of this, this stuff is situational and what these guys have around them.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I'm really, I'm really surprised with North Sellers is in Tier three. I mean, that speaks to the year that he had last year, which you didn't live up to expectations going into that year. People thought that he was going to be a first round draft pick. Like he, he had that kind of talent and it didn't play out like that. But for him to be in Tier

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

three is sort of, I mean, he was like a top five draft pick.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

You know what I mean? Going into last year, back to the

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

point that we were just making though, there's, there's carnage and chaos around him. You have a head coach that's on the hot seat. You have a team that didn't show that they could really use his skill set last year. It just doesn't seem like there's, there's much stability there.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Oh, no, you're right. I mean, I'm just kind of, again, I'm just kind of surprised. The other thing is that, like, I know that CJ Carr had a great off season and that he was really solid as a freshman. I just thought elevating him to Tier one seemed a little early.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Like it's.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

See, I would put Gunner Stockton up there.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

You put who?

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I'd put Gunner Stockton in my Mayava up there in Tier one and maybe swap out Mess to maker.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Wow. Okay.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Well, just, I mean, like, just until we see it, you know what I mean? Even Mensa, I mean, in Tier one.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah. I mean, if you're talking about seeing it, I mean, Arch is kind of in that conversation as well. You know, I mean, I think about

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

at the end of the year, we

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

saw it so well towards the end, right? We, we, we. He played so well towards the end of the season. Yeah, he played so well towards the end of the season. I feel like Arch with his play on the SEC in the second half of the year kind of legitimized the expectation or. Yeah. The hype of him going into this season. I don't know how legitimate it was going into last season, but this season I feel like it's pretty legitimate.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Another name in Tier three, Nico Joel.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, man. You know what? I actually think that's how I, I would have expected him to be.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

A little bit lower.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, I think.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Yeah, I think that's, that shows you what people think about him. I agree.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, man. Rocco Beck, man, I don't know what he Got to do, man. He's getting the.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I think Rocco Beck might have a big year.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, man. I mean, Rocco Beck is like. I mean, he started, I mean, over 40 games, I think, in his career. I want to say I heard a stat that he had more positive plays from the position than anybody else in the country last year. So I'm just kind of. I was like, man, I don't know what Rocco Beck has to do to get out of the Tier three, but, you know, I, I think he's gonna probably have a pretty good year at Penn State this year and that we're going to hear a lot more about him now.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Another, another note from tier four from you guys.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Yeah, tier four. I mean, I would say Bryce Underwood in tier four is crazy. Fascinating, right?

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Yeah, crazy. $12 million for tier four. Bryce Underwood. Bryce Underwood needs to have a big season.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, man.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Now it's looking like he's going to be there for the long haul. You don't see anything that pops that makes you think that he's going to be a guy that's going to be out of there next year or anything like that. Who knows? So he's got a couple more seasons to get it. But Bryce Underwood needs to show some improvement. Like, I feel like there's. People are starting to be kind of down on the Bryce Underwood experiment up there in, in Michigan.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Well, man, I mean, they went, I can't remember, what's the name of the, the Utah safety whose son went there for a recruiting visit and said he didn't have it. Like, it, it was not just that. The season last year, it was fine for a freshman, but it wasn't like what everybody sort of expected. And then he went into the off season where, you know, the, the, the, the guy came in, the recruit's father came in and said, I, that guy didn't have it. The spring.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Former players saying they watched him at the spring game, he couldn't make a pass.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I think he was like 2 for 9 in the spring game. So it's like, ah, it just, it does. It doesn't seem like what Van did right there. They're going to be like, we're paying that boy a lot of money. Like, we expect a little bit more from him. So. Yeah, I mean, I, I.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Do you think that's unfair?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

No. I mean, because I've been saying I, I want to see it with Bryce. Like, everybody has said the talent, they've talked about the talent. I've seen his high school highlight tape. I just haven't Been as excited by his potential as everybody else is, and I look forward to be proven wrong. Same with DJ Lagway. Like, I mean, DJ Lagway should be in, like, Tier two, man, judging from the way he came into last year, he kind of had a, like a Lenor seller situation where he, although he was hurt, he just didn't live up to expectation. And so, you know, maybe at Baylor he'll, you know, he'll, he'll be a little bit more in his comfort zone, feel more supported or whatever. But he's also going to be playing for a coach on the, on the hot seat too, in Dave Aranda. So I will be, I'll be interested to see how that turns out as well.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Isn't this indicative of just how important system is in all of this? In Tier 1, you have Trinidad Chambliss, who is a guy that's no doubt a talented quarterback, but a guy who came from a Division 3 school and because he was given the opportunity, it feels like, to grow and develop at a place that had an offensive identity, a clear, efficient system seems to have been able to maximize his talent where, if you're looking at Lagway, Sellers, really even Underwood, these were guys that came from places that did not have any of that. They have all the talent in the world. Arm strength, toughness, speed, like all of that stuff is there for those guys. But what they didn't have is any type of imagination on offense.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Like, you can throw Julian Lewis into that list too.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

So, like, we're talking about quarterbacks and, you know, it goes back to something that people say. Every quarterback is a system quarterback. Yeah, like every single one of them. Because these guys are really, really talented. A couple other names on this list as well. Maybe, maybe Nico's one of those names.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, that's right.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I mean, Elon Russell with Alabama, I mean, he's in Tier 4 and he's gonna have to, you know, shoulder a lot there.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Has he even beaten out Austin Mack yet? I didn't see. That was the other thing. I didn't know that, that he had beaten out Austin Mack. I thought that that quarterback job, I

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

think, I think it's still up for grabs, but I think they just rated Russell here in Tier 4 just out of like, hey, he's the Alabama quarterback. We, we believe at this point. There's also some other names at the bottom that could really bump up. I feel like Alberto Mendoza is going to have a good year for Georgia Tech and He's in Tier 5. Jackson Arnold has obviously Been a journeyman at this point, but you and lv, maybe he can bump up Malik Murphy at Oregon State. Faison. Brandon.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I was gonna say Max Johnson is still in college, bro.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Jackson Arnold. Malik Murphy. Max Johnson.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Max Johnson.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Max Johnson played for lsu. Was that six years ago? These guys still in school?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Max Johnson turns 25 later this month.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Doug, Like, Max Johnson, like, for real, man.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Like, Tier 7 is former Carolina quarterbacks Max Johnson, Ryan Brown and Connor Harrell. They're all former Carolina quarterbacks, all in Tier seven.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Yeah.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Shout out Max Johnson, man, he really. I mean, he's doing. He's a super senior, man. He got. He's gonna have a lot of stories to tell because, I mean, damn. I. I had no idea. I. Again, like you said, I didn't know Malik Murphy was still.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Where.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Where's Malik playing? I should know.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Oregon State. He's a Beaver.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Oh, that's right. He's still.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Yeah, he was up there. Yeah. Okay. He's still. When you watch Malik Murphy on the field. Yeah, he still looks different than the players surrounding him.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Yeah, he looks like he could do it.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Yeah, he looks like he can do it. You. You always want to believe in Malik Murphy. When you see him a gigantic, really gifted qb, and then you look at him, you're like, oh, God damn. He looked like a man amongst boys. And then the graphic pops up with that stat line and you like, one

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

for eight, you know, for 12 yards.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Do you know who got that treatment for so long? It was Joe Milton. Like, but Joe Milton was more the arm. The arm is just crazy. Like, it's just, you know, I mean, he's a big dude, obviously, but the arm is crazy. And everybody was like, man, Joe. Joe Milton, when he puts it all together, he's gonna be, you know, he's gonna be special. And, I mean, I'm surprised he stuck around in the NFL. I think he's back up there in Dallas.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

They're still saying that. Yeah, they're still saying that. He still wows you. There's still people who believe that you come along. I mean, it's just. They're still saying Joe Milton might be a steal at some point. He's going to get an opportunity. Somebody's going to figure out how to put that, all of that. All of those skills together and get like a real NFL quarterback out of him. He's just so gifted.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I mean, during trading camp, Drake May and him were together and Colin Coward went on a show and was like, Joe Milton's better than Drake May.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, you look at the arm, it's like kind of like Jeff George. There's a few quarterbacks in our lifetime where it's just like, you just can't get over the arm and how they look, look, you know, and that's, that's what's going on with Joe Milton. But I saw Joe Milton play at Michigan one time. I guess it was against Wisconsin. And he came in the game. I don't remember who the starting quarterback was that year, but he, you know, he rotated it in and they were like, they, they kept trying to run him and I was like, man, Joe Milton can't run, man. Stop profiling that dog.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

He's.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Just because he's black and big don't mean he can run. Stop trying to make him a running quarterback.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

This is so funny to me. I love. This is one of my favorite things about black quarterbacks. One of my favorite things about quarter, like black quarterbacks is like, you know, you get a guy like Byron Leftwick and, and you see.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

And you see David Garard.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yo, David.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

You try to see them trying to run some. It's like, just because you're black doesn't mean that you can get out there and do things and make plays with your feet all the time. Like Joe Milton. Like, I'm sure he's a decent athlete, right? He's a pretty good athlete. He's a great athlete, but at the same time, him.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

That's not the show.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

He's a pocket passer.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

He's a pocket pass. If it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen from the pocket.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, that's not the show.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

So.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, man, I don't. Again. Yeah, they, they really get. But Malik Murphy, he's gonna keep it. That's again, that I do. T.J. finley. That is the proposition with T.J. finley because every coach looks at him, man. Six foot seven, 240, good arm, pretty decent athlete. I can do something with that. And, but, and they'll keep thinking that until. Look, Malik Murphy. No, actually Joe Milton is only a year older than Max Johnson, but.

[Pharmaceutical Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Wow. By the way, just let you know, Joe Milton did go 46 at the 40, though. That's great speed.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Pretty good. Yeah. Yeah.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Not bad.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

One last name I wanted to mention that could. He's in Tier 6, but I think he's probably going to have a better year than people suspect. Faison, Brandon of Tennessee, great offensive line, great backfield, two great receivers on the outside and five star recruit. So, I mean, him in tier six. Feels like we haven't seen it yet, so you have to put him there. But I could see Faison, Brandon having a big year, so wanted to point him out.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah. I mean, Hypo is good at designing the offense. And who was the kid that was there last year?

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Joey Aguilar.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Joey Aguilar. Yeah, yeah. Aguilar. Yeah. I mean, Joey Aguilar, he. He started off great, and by the end of the year, I think Tennessee was kind of like, all right, we've seen enough. But they were able to get a serviceable offense out of. Out of him.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

The scheme is just. The scheme is just deadly.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Even if it.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

It puts their office going to be so good. I mean, Tennessee might have the best offensive line in the sec.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Yeah. So, like, they. They have a lot of stuff going. For me, you're going to get an opportunity to be successful at quarterback if you. If you play inside that system. Yeah.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Running backs, behind.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

It's very inventive, I think. Shout out to my man Carter Bryant, who. Who continuously tells me Carter Bryant from power lsu, who continuously tells me that Josh Hypo is the best offensive mind in all of college football.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Wow. Okay.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Yeah, There you go.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I wonder if Oklahoma. I mean, he was kind of offended that he didn't get the call the last go around, but if. If things were one name. Well, Brett Venables made the playoffs last year, so he's not gonna be.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Yeah, they're doing fine.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

But, you know, I guess the thing is. Is like, is that the way that Oklahoma wants to win? Do they really think that they're national title contenders? Because that's what is the standard at Oklahoma, and it'd be. It makes sense. Josh Hyple in Oklahoma kind of makes sense, but, you know, we'll see.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Yeah. I think Venables got himself another couple years.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, Venables is.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

He's.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

And Matier coming back.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

He's good.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Yeah.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Great. The thing is, though, I never thought they were a national championship contender. Even when they were really good last year, going in the Texas game, I was like, yeah, they're good, but they can't win a national championship.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Before we move off this. Before we move off this. Julian Lewis at Colorado.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Colorado Buffaloes, Julian Lewis, hyped touted prospect, slash recruit. Whatever you want to say. What are you expecting out of him? What are you expecting out of the Buffs? Like, what's gonna happen? Like, he didn't go jump in the transfer portal.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

He was given enough reason to come back to Colorado and continue to, to, to move when a lot of players left.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

You got benched last year at one point for Staub.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Then came back.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Doesn't that say something about. About his belief in what it is that they're doing? And, and maybe they've shown him something that makes him believe that he's going to be. He's gonna have a chance to be successful. There are a lot of guys left

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Colorado, so allegedly, when they lost Seaton, the theory was that, well, that frees up more money to get a bunch of offensive linemen that have had success and had a lot of starts at lower levels. And so they spread the money around. So allegedly they're going to have a solid veteran line. And they brought in Brendan Marion, who was a head coach at Sacramento State, and he's going to, you know, jazz up the offense and we'll see. Like, you know, we'll see. I. The thing about juju Lewis, and again, he was a freshman last year, so it's tough to know.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Very young. Very young.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

19.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, he got it.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

He.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

He, you know, went up a class too. Right. I just, I didn't see it. And I just hope maybe that was him being a freshman. But sometimes, you know, you can look at a guy and be like, oh, he's going to be special. He's going to be.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

He looks smaller than I thought he would look.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

That was one.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

You know what I mean?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Yeah. When I saw him in high school tape, I, I don't know what it is with the, the Colorado team, but every time that they put on their uniforms, they look small. I. I don't know what even guys that transfer is true.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Like they put on that uniform and they look smaller. I don't know, maybe it's like a warped with the video. Videos they put out or whatever. But anyways, fascinating story there. And prime avoided the hot seat list, by the way, so that was good for him. You know, we had nine coaches on there. Coach prime not on the list. So that's good news. We're gonna take one quick break. When we come back, we're gonna knock out a few headlines and then, you know, we'll bid ado. But we'll be. We'll be right back right after this. All right, top five headlines of the week in college football. Let's start here. This came out about a week ago. Michigan AD Ward Manual was over. Apparently overlooked warning signs surrounding Sharon Moore. And then there was news over the weekend. I guess it was a Friday News dump. Ward Manual is going to be let go. There was a lot of Dusty May behind this, and obviously the Sharon Moore situation did not help. But Michigan now looking for an ad. And, Joel, I saw you chiming in on this on Twitter. What? Do you have any words for Ward Manual?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

They fired your black ass, man. I told you. But the thing about Ward Manual is that. So again, this is. Some of. This is from the report or whatever, but allegedly, he had told Sharon Moore, hey, man, stop working out with your assistant in the gym. People are onto that. You know, whatever this is. Before, he was a head coach. Okay. You then made that guy head coach. And that's the thing that's kind of surprising to me because, again, yeah. I mean, you don't want to. I'm not making judgments about anybody's personal life.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Apparently, Harbaugh pushed for it, though, too. Yeah.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I mean. But no, get the fuck out of here, Harbaugh. You already had us in enough hell. Like, you know what I mean? Like, thank you for the national championship. But, like, the program looks like a mess, right? The athletic department looks like a mess, in part because of you. And we both got something out of it. We gave you the platform. You go back to the NFL, you gave us a national championship. But I'm looking at Sharon Moore, and I'm like, I just. I can't believe Ward Emanuel tied his career to him. That's the thing that sort of surprises me, because I remember when Sherrone Moore got hired, and I was like, you know, I see what you're saying. I get it. And I'm all for the brothers getting the job, but I always worry about fit and how much support they'll get. And I looked at those offenses that he had and coordinated at Michigan, and I didn't see anything that excited me. I mean, he had. He had some great offensive lines, but in terms, when he had opportunity to run a whole offense, it didn't look special to me. So I was kind of surprised that he was a guy that got that job. And now knowing that they had to go to him, they had to have an intervention before he was head coach. You might want to chill it with your girl dog, because everybody. People are talking around here. And so that's the thing that surprised me about Ward Manual.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Michigan fans, very happy about this, by the way. So a lot of Michigan people.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

It's one time. I don't think it's racing. Racist, man. Usually.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Yeah. I'm about to say, you. You just sold him out. Like, sold out all of that, that you be on Joe.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

You're.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

You're an interesting guy.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I never listen to wrestling consistently though. I've never been a wrestling.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

I'll tell you that, that, that, that is, that is true. That is. That is true. You're just raising a cop now.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

All right. Okay,

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

So. So I'll say this, a couple of things here. Number one, man, Michigan is quietly in the dirt. Michigan is a really resilient college football program. Michigan has had gigantic scandals in the last three or four years that for most other programs would be at least halfway debilitating. Yeah, you know what I mean? The entire Connor Stallions thing and all of that stuff. Harbaugh goes back to the NFL is that happens and then the guy that gets replaced after all of that, that was supposed to bring in stability and kind of purge the program of any of the lingering sort of bad feelings surrounding all of that stuff is like one of his, his, his. The co EDS or his assistant and then he gets fired and arrested and the AD gets fired. It's a lot going on at Michigan and it seems like they are go blueing through and through in all of

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

it, man, they're just hailing the victors though. I mean, they've won two national championships. Amongst this madness, it's even more impressive. Dusty May and Jim Harbaugh got one.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

And so many people jumped on my dude, Vinnie Goodwill for saying the Larry o' Brien Trope trophy was a participation trophy. And I think people kind of like took that out of context.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

It was one of the most moronic things. Hey, man, shout out to him. Like I've heard him have. Nothing personal at the brother. Shout out to him.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Look at you going to him. You're not, you're not supporting the brother and a high profile squad. Come on.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Like that.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Joel.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Joel. Awesome. Real. That was, that was like a really all time bone.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

No, I think he got called in the take machine.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

No, no, no, no, no. This is what, this is what I think he meant. And I, I think I can say this because I've texted with him a little bit about this. The problem, the thing is, is that what he meant is that if one championship was enough, you'd think more people would be happy. Like, and you can see it over and over again. Like the Boston Celtics three years ago when they were world championship and nobody's happy. And now it looks like all that fell apart. LeBron wins a championship at the Lakers and people are like, that's not as many as I thought. Legacy is not quite what we thought it was going to be like one championship never really is enough for people.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Like it was for Milwaukee.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, Yeah, I guess for Denver.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

You know, I feel like.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I feel like Yokings is on the clock. I feel like people gonna be like,

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

I see what Joel's saying. I mean, what you want. I think I see what Joel's saying, but I still think it's enough for New York. It's nonsensical. Right. It's definitely enough for the Knicks. I think. I think for a lot of these players, when we're comparing them to, to. To greats of old or even teams of old, those teams won two or three championships. Joel, you're right. They're not that many teams that popped up, up in the 80s and the 90s that got one and then got out. They normally had a little run where they got there and they got back whatever the happened. Right.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

And we are seeing like Paris or 77, Sixers 83. Like there's a few, but you're right.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

It's mostly done in the States.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

There's a few, don't get me wrong, the Raptors. But that's kind of all along the lines. Even in this kind of deal that we're talking about right now, that almost could be like the start of it when you look at it, but, like, it didn't happen as much back in the day. The Mavs did it. They're teams. But, you know, you. You normally go back a little bit. Yeah, that does change it. That doesn't make it a participation trophy, though. Like that. Like, like, just let me finish. I'll be brief. Uncharacteristically, to say that it's a participation trophy. What you're really talking about in this situation now is more like maybe the second apron and kind of some of the constraints around the business of it. Meaning that, you know, you're going to have to do different things to stay competitive year in and year out. Right. A big part of what we're not even talking about is injury. Like, I can make an argument right now that the reason why the, the. The Thunder didn't repeat is because they were hurt. Yeah, there's a lot of Pacers weren't back in the. In the NBA Finals in a player is because. Shredded his Achilles. There's so many more injuries at inopportune times in the NBA right now. That is a big part of it. None of that contributes to calling a championship accomplishment a participation trophy. There's just too much you have to go through. Well, first, give that Type of take. You got to take it on the backside.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

No, I feel like you want to see a black man slap like a slave.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

I like that guy. I'm just saying that's a.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

That.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

That's a. I like that.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

This is what I'm gonna say again. I just think that he. First of all he was echoing what his host had said. It says the participation. The guy said, so you're saying it's a participation trophy. And he was sort of echoing what he said. He was. It was a line that the guy

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

in front of the clip was way worse in the conversation.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

The clip was way worse in the conversation though. But that's. That's. That's the life we live. And I've been there. I've been there one time. I've. I've been there a lot of times. I get it. But you. That type of accomplishment, you just can't. You can't. You can't do that. If one charity is one thing, participation trophy is another one.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

If one 05 pistons that was enough.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

If one championship 08 Celtics was miles would have still had their job jobs people would 2011. But get mad at people. It's never. It's never enough. One championship never satiates anybody.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

But. But what I'm telling you is that like it also depends. I want you to understand something here. It depends. A championship is a way to win because you can win without a championship, right?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Of course. Right.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Sure. So a championship is a way to win. It's the top way to win. It also matters how you lose. It's one thing to go from a championship to like now we are a perennial nine win, ten win team like we. We win in ten wins. Right. We ten wins. That's gonna get you gonna stay around. But if you go from a championship to like five wins or a championship to like four wins or three wins with all of the other dysfunction.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

People gonna look for something else. There are a lot of coaches that. That stay where they were for a long time with zero championships just being solid winners. Yeah.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I think people have changed. I think the fan relationship with their teams have changed. In one championship feels good. But they're sort of co. I mean because of. Everybody's so interested in off season acquisitions.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Everybody wants to be a dynasty.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah. And I think about all. And that is like ah. And so then. And so then the. The dissatisfaction starts up sooner than it used to because it used to be. I mean look, look. I mean there's. There's been guys in history.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Joe Paterno football.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Joe Paterno, like won two national championships, I think, over the. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But once again, though, those were guys. Joe Paterno had some down years. Those were guys that by and large, though, fielded really competitive teams every single season. And I think in a couple of these situations that we're talking about, some of these guys have had teams that hit these highs. And then. I'm just gonna be real with you. LSU's program fell apart. That's just what happened.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Like, and, and I'm glad that Coach Ogeron is back. I have a lot of respect for Coach Ogeron. The pandemic was a part of that. All of that stuff. There was a lot of things going on. There was stuff with Eric Gilbert, a couple of guys didn't hit. All of that stuff is true. I have a lot of respect for Coach Ogeron, but like, the complete fucking program fell apart. Part does part of me. I'm gonna be real with you. Just be serious. This part of me wish that LSU would have kind of stuck it out with Air Ogeron a little bit. I'm serious. A little bit. To see if he could write the ship. A little bit. A little bit. But do I also completely understand why that move was made at the time that it was made? Absolutely, yeah.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah. Well, again, to your point, and I, I agree. I mean, I, I always run. Just fits lsu, like I said. I mean, he. Yeah, that's what LSU fans think of themselves. That's well said. But again, Michigan just won two championships in the two top revenue sports. And you just said now they're down in the dirt and I'm just like, man, they just won championships.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

No, let me tell you, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about. But, but like, see now, now who's being a Republican? You are. You watch wrestling ball. Like, when I, what I was talking about was just Michigan is not down in the dirt from a competitive standpoint. They're actually not. The baseball team is great. Like, Michigan is basketball turned to like, like they're not doubting, but in terms of like a college football as a, as a college sports entity, like, they have just really more.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

It's a lot going on outside.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Yeah. They have, they've had two gigantic back to back embarrassing nationwide scandals.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

That are, that are going on. And they seem, maybe to you guys point, because of, because of how much success they're having on the court and on the field, they seem to kind of be bulletproof from it. It's not really moving anyone. Like, they just had to fire their AD because the coach wouldn't stay away from one of the assistants.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, man, that Michigan. Michigan random out of there, man. They're like, enough of this. They have to get them out of here. They're never gonna get out of here.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Hey, if you gonna be. I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say is this. If you're gonna be, like, in the DMS or the COEDs and all of that stuff, you just got to be more. You gotta be. You gotta be better than what Sharon Moore is. You got to have a good offense. You got to have. Take. Take a team to the playoff that never been there before. If you're going to be.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

You got to win a national championship.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I mean, look, Petrino would have got away with it if he hadn't crashed, you know?

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Oh, hell, yeah.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah. If he hadn't crashed, he would have been fine.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Hey, that's my O.C. baby.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, that's right. You know, it's not going to last long.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Back in the mix.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Like, it's not going to be. You're not going to be here next year.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Next up. Yeah, that's my future interim head coach right there. Next up, Kurt. Kirby Smart. During SEC media days, he was one asked. He asked a media member to define what a troll was in reference to Lane Kiffin. And we're kind of in the midst of Greek mythology as the Odyssey is going everywhere. He called Lane Kiffin the Adonis of all college football coaches, which is basically Kirby Smart saying he's the hottest head football coach. Van, your thoughts? I mean, is this a win for Lane Kiffin? We did not have him on our list, but Kirby Smart says he's number one.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

I think Lane Kiffin might have the total package. You know, when you look at all of it together.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Oh, package.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

But. But we talking about just straight up. Nah, man. We got Freeman, we got Chesney. We got a lot of people. That's. That's. That is different than that.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Like, I think Freeman's the Adonis.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Yeah, Freedman's did, like, the Adonis. Can I tell you guys something? Did y' all know where does. Speaking of Greek mythology, I was thinking about this when this was brought up. Do y' all know where the name of the constellation, the Milky Way, comes from?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

No.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Do you know, Tate?

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I don't think so. No.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Billy, do you know?

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

I don't know where the Milky Way comes from.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

So I. I've been doing a lot of different research into Greek Mythology, because of the Odyssey, went back.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I mean, I love Greek mythology.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Greek mythology is some of the best stuff, right? Love the Iliad, love the Odyssey. Went back. Looking at. I did Jason and Argonauts, all of that.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

So familiarize yourself.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

The Milky Way. The Milky Way is based off of a Greek myth, the goddess Hera and Hercules, but he was called Heracles in Greek. Zeus brought the baby to Hera when he was an infant. With Heracles, or Hercules was a. Was a child for Herod, a nurse. Hercules was nursing her.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

He was Zeus's bastard son.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Yeah, Zeus's bastard son. When she realized she was breastfeeding Zeus's bastard son, immortal Zeus had a lot of bastards.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

She pushed

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

her breast milk, flew into the cosmos.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Wow.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Her breast milk flew into the cosmos and it created the Milky Way, man. So the Milky Way of stars that's in the cosmos is because Hera push Hercules away from her nipples. We talked about those earlier. And through breast milk, look into the sky that became stars, and that's the Milky Way.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

You know, they didn't miss an opportunity to name things at the titties back in the day. Isn't that with the teton ranges or whatever? Yep, yep.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Yeah, they were locked in.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

We live in a whole Greek mythology society. It's people that was in the Odyssey like, yo, man, that's crazy. It's on the nose. I saw this on Twitter. Somebody said it's. So it's on the nose that they named Telemachus's teacher Mentor. They named his teacher Mentor.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I'm like, no, that's where it comes from.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

It's named Mentor because of the thing.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

So.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

So many of this stuff, we live in a whole Greek.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I mean, look at Nike.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Nike. All of this stuff is all. We live in a whole society. It's all Greek. How come none of y' all are Greek, man?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

You just don't see a lot of Greeks. Shout out to my boy Stefan Fats, though.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Yeah. One of my best friends is Greek. Shout out to my guy, Michael Ewan Ewing.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Yeah.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I mean, Michael Ewing. Ewing is a Greek name.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

That's not a Greek name.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

His dad's Greek.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, that's not a Greek name.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

That's Greek, man.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Yeah. Nah, polis.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

And it usually ends with, like, a

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

P. O. I don't know. I'm not going to litigate his Greek. But he's Greek. He's Greek, man. You got Greek life in college. Greeks are everywhere. All right, last thing, because we got to get out of here. Chip Kelly in A hard hat at Northwestern. Did you guys see this picture? And who wore it better? Joel Anderson at UCLA spring game or Chip Kelly? Is the question that I'm asking you.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

I. I think that. That Joe, I gotta. I would love to. There's Joel.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

There's Joel in the hard hat.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Chip Kelly looks like a garden gnome. This is so interesting. To me, at least Joel looked like he could be on the job. Joel looked like.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Rolled up like he's got the designs.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

That's always. If I'm a working class man, I'm a man of the people.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Blue collar Joel.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Like a police officer.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

That is not a blue collar job.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

You know, it's okay, bro. So, hey, but before we get out of here, I do have something for Big van on tape. Big van on campus day. Wow.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

We doing that again?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Just.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

It's gonna start back when the season starts, but I got one because Joel.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Okay.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

I just want to let you know something.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Oh, God.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

That people continuously hit us up with information about you and information about room 227. And remember, like, people. People keep. We actually got video from room 227.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Shut up, man. Get out of here.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Here it is right here. Play this. So we actually got. We got.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Come on.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

This is. We got video from room 227. I hope you guys are watching on YouTube. This is. This is video right here.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Okay.

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Of. Of what?

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

How it's going down.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Joel's in the yellow shorts.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

That's Joel right there in the yellow shirt shorts right there. Room 227.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Why this whole thing. Hey, this is loud. Turn that down. No.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I can't believe they had that footage back.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I mean, you go to. You go down to Starkville and tell them boys. Which apply to them boys. What you implying right now? You should go down to Starkville as a man of your word, and go down there and be like, when did

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

I get my word that I was gonna say that I was gonna do that?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Well, I'm just saying, do you think

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

that I have any illusions about the fact that it's gonna be a full time? Like I'm having to bring a lunch not to get my ass whooped by the boy. But the reality. You don't know that, but the reality. There's probably. It's probably most likely 95 in the final place. But here's the deal, though. No doubt, like from Baton Rouge. We don't just go around saying people could whoop our ass. I guess that's where you from. But look, Joe, what do you Think about the video there that went viral. What do. Yeah, what do y' all think about the video there that went viral of the Mississippi State brothers, all jokes and fun, like, having some fun time in the locker room. 227. Stop.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

It reminds me of that Texas video from a few years ago where they were kind of like they were doing a similar thing, you know? I mean, I guess if you're having fun, I'm not gonna knock the fun, but it definitely does not give off, like, hey, we're ready to play football.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

You know, why not? Tate, are you trying to say about.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah. I mean. Yeah, y' all gonna have a. Y' all gonna have hell in front of y'.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

All.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Y' all get down to Starkville this year, man.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

You know, I don't know if I'll be down there.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Okay.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Joel, do you have a falling out with your, like, 227 friends? Because you told us that, like, you don't talk to fat count anymore.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, man, I played football two and a half years, so I wouldn't even, like, at that point, there was real distance, and, I mean, I don't even like to get into it, but there was kind of, like, some interpersonal stuff that made me want to stay away from campus for a little bit.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Oh, that's ominous. Happened nomination.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I don't think I could talk about it, but what I would say is that, you know, will you l. Hitting hoes. So also, what happened?

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

I knew it.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

I knew it.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Hey, y' all hide y' all wives. You know, he's a G. Hide y' all wives. You know, raise the room for Joel. We know Joe.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

No, no, no, no, listen.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

We know, like. Nah, we know Joel and G. Raise

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

the room for Joe. No, I'm even implying that, but I'm saying. But also, when I let left the team and then I went back and covered them a little bit for the school newspaper, and that just felt weird. Like, I just like.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Yeah, they felt like you turned code on snitch.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, ladanian, Tomlinson, and I then blue line. I don't know if he. I don't know if he would testify he crossed that. Hey, man, look, man, I. Look, I. I don't. I don't even. Thing is, I don't even really want to talk about police like that, because then I'll just give me on the whole thing. What are we talking about?

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Waco. Your roommate, Waco?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Oh, yeah. Waco T. Bob. My other room. My roommate, my actual roommate, Joe Briggs. Shout out Joe Briggs. He was Worked at the NFLPA for a long time.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Okay, and they knew you as Joe Platt, right? They knew he was Joe Platt.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

No, it was just Platt.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

It was just plus Platt.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Just Platt. Just Platt. We all had nicknames, man. Big Naked. You know what I'm saying?

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

He was in the video.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Big Dick.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

It was definitely

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Milk, man. I said milk already, huh?

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

What are we doing?

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

No, no, listen. He created the milk. I'll tell you the Milkman joke one time. Shout out Mike Brown, 6 foot 7 tight end from Del Rio, Texas. And he came from junior college. He was like, 6, 7, like, 275. You just didn't see tight ends like that back then. And I remember the day that they named him Milkman. It was like, so, yo, like, they're just like, man, that's a big man. It's like, you gotta be. To be that side, you know, the milkman got to be that size, because otherwise people will take the milk off you. So you Peter Milkman. To be a Milkman, you got to be a big. Like Mike Brown from Del Rio. And so that's how I ended up. Oh, Chicken. Chicken Hawk was another one. My boy.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

How big did Naked get his name?

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Yeah, explain that one.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I don't know.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

I don't know.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Yeah, okay.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I don't know. I don't know that one as well, but yeah, man. No, man. No, I'm good.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

You know, the thing is, he was a mentor.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

All right, man, you were jumping off ship earlier, bro. You really.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

I'm sorry.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I mean. I mean, the guy that is. That is for ALS and the Lou Gehrig.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Oh, no, I'm not for it. I'm not for it.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

It. Yeah, you just like, well, they gonna win anyway, so I might as well support it.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Might as well stay dry.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

All right, anyway, no, but I don't. Boy, the last thing I'll say about this is that when I got my ears pierced in 1997, people thought, oh, that was kind of. You know, it was all kind of. Ooh. You know, people thought that was kind of, you know, whatever. Everything.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Every.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Everybody. Every man thinks every generation is getting softer and more effeminate like that. It's just the fact of life, you know? So the further we get down, that's what. So when they see if. If you had been in College in 19, if you've been in college then, and you were doing. You would be doing all the tick tock dances like a boy. Jared, what's the place for Jerry McLean?

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Jeremy.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Yeah, Jeremy McCain. Not everybody would be doing It. But a lot of you, you'd be. You'd be into all that, too, Probably a lot.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

I'm not tripping on that. I think that's funny.

[Host 4 (possibly Joel Anderson)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

I just think. I just think. I just think it's. I think it's funny. I think it's funny because them. I mean, them are gigantic. Like, that's. I don't give a. What you're talking about. That's funny. That's funny. That's funny, bro.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Yeah.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

I mean, that's why they sent it out.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

I'm sure they're subverting it, right? They're subverting.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

They're having fun.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Fun. Yeah.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Yeah. We're not gonna. We're not gonna police him on this show.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

No, let them have that fun. I think the Jerry McCain stuff is hilarious. And I also think about the Jerry McCain stuff that's really interesting is in those videos that he would post. His teammates would be in those videos.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Oh, yeah.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Yeah.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

So that, to me, was always the most important thing, is that his teammates loved him. They could rely on him. They were in his videos with. And they were supporting him. So, like, whatever people would think about it, everybody was doing it together. I thought, Jeremy McCain is awesome. He's also a hell of a basketball player.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Oh, he's great player. Fits in well with okc, too. All right, there you have it. That was a fun show. Fun tailgate. Shout out to fat Count. Shout out to big Naked. Shout out to the milkman. Let's raise the roof.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Milk man.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

One last time.

[Host 3 (possibly Tate Frazier)]

Chicken hawk Shout. Mit. Bob.

[Host 2 (possibly Van Lathan)]

Waco.

[Host 1 (possibly Bill Simmons)]

Yeah, Waco. Everybody. One episode. Hope everybody has a great week. We're gonna have some fun here. We got the tail bag next week, so stay tuned. We got some fun stuff from the tailgaters that reach out to us. So we're gonna break that all down on next week's episode. Hope everybody has a great week and we will see you next Wednesday. Must be 21 or older in president. Select states for Kansas and affiliation with Kansas Star Casino are 18 and older in President D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER or 1-800-MY-RESET. Call 1-887-897-777 or visit ccpg.orgchatinconnecticut or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gamblinghelplinema.org or call 800-327-5050 for 24. 7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8-HOPE&Y or text HOPE&Y in New York. For Louisiana, call 1-877-770-7867.