College Pipelines on Display at Super Bowl LX

Summary

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Ringer Tailgate – College Pipelines on Display at Super Bowl LX

Date: February 11, 2026
Hosts: Van Lathan, Joel Anderson, Tate Frazier, with Billy Gill

Overview

This episode of Ringer Tailgate delivers the show's signature blend of sharp college football analysis, irreverent banter, and personal stories. The hosts recap Super Bowl 60, examine the college football pipelines on display in the big game, discuss how college football can borrow from the NFL’s spectacle, and detour into tales from Radio Row and campus moped culture. A lively debate about the future of college athletics and some classic college basketball talk round out this energetic, wide-ranging post-Super Bowl hangout.

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Main Topics & Segment Timestamps

1. Opening & Super Bowl Impressions (03:03–09:18)
2. What College Football Can Learn from the Super Bowl (06:49–12:18)
3. Vegas as the Sports Capital & Storytime Detours (10:39–23:44)
4. Radio Row, Group Text Conspiracies, and Super Bowl Atmosphere (23:44–32:32)
5. Which College "Won" Super Bowl 60? (40:48–46:22)
6. Quarterback Factories & College to NFL Pipeline (46:22–51:04)
7. Moped Stories & College Life Tangent (51:04–57:14)
8. Herbstreit’s “Breakaway” Proposal and CFB’s Future (57:32–62:58)
9. Eligibility Decisions, Ole Miss QB Waiver (65:15–67:16)
10. Big Van On Campus: Is College Basketball Fumbling Its Moment? (68:17–76:00)
11. UNC vs. Duke, Basketball Propaganda & NBA Comparisons (76:00–84:15)
12. Final Thoughts, Comedian Guest Jokes, and Wrap-Up (84:15–90:03)

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1. Opening & Super Bowl Impressions

(03:03–09:18)

• Immediate Reaction: The hosts agree Super Bowl 60 (Seahawks win) lacked energy, storylines, and star power:
  • Van Lathan: “This was the most disinterested in a Super Bowl I’ve been in a long time. There weren’t any really compelling storylines.” [03:34]
  • Joel Anderson: “I do like defensive football, but I like it when there’s a great offense struggling to figure it out… in this case, just two average quarterbacks.” [05:24]
• Apathy Confirmed:
  • Billy Gill later reaffirms: “Van was right. There wasn’t really an energy for the Super Bowl this year… it was just a boring game.” [23:51]
• Personal Tangents: Joel touches on attending a friend’s funeral; Van reminisces about last year’s New Orleans Super Bowl. [02:08–04:21]

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2. What College Football Can Learn from the Super Bowl

(06:49–12:18)

• Joel proposes: “The CFP needs a real televised halftime show. College football could do that!” [06:49]
• Van Lathan: “What lessons can [CFB] learn? What could they steal?” [07:26]
• Billy, Tate, and Joel brainstorm potential college halftime performers—Dochii for Tampa, Pitbull/Gloria Estefan in Miami, big Vegas names from Celine Dion to Usher for busier venues.

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3. Vegas as the Sports Capital & Storytime Detours

(10:39–23:44)

• Van declares: “Vegas is about to become the sports capital of America. The NBA is going there, NFL’s already there... [but] I still believe a lot of sports culture in Vegas is going to end up in some tremendous scandal at some point.” [10:57, 12:03]
• The conversation derails into tales of Las Vegas, legal gray zones, and Joel’s quasi-journalistic (and somewhat suspect) drives out to Pahrump to see Heidi Fleiss’s house:
  • Joel Anderson: “I just do shit for the story, man.” [13:54]
  • Van Lathan: “You cannot point to a story that I’ve told… as creepy, as weird, as off-putting as you just driving to Heidi Fleiss’s house.” [21:06]
• Extended side stories unfold, including Joel’s history of showing up at subjects’ homes “for the scoop,” producing laughter and friendly ridicule among the hosts.

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4. Radio Row, Group Text Conspiracies & Super Bowl Atmosphere

(23:44–32:32)

• Billy at Radio Row: No buzz; confirms the general lack of intrigue or excitement.
• Billy describes his travel odyssey between SF, Miami, and LA before Super Bowl Sunday and triggers Joel’s paranoia about secret group texts:
  • Joel Anderson: “You really would just start a whole other thread of Van and Tate to ask them if they want to go to lunch?” [25:33]
• This sparks a running gag about secret communications and Joel’s status as the “most aggrieved” panelist.

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5. Which College "Won" Super Bowl 60?

(40:48–46:22)

• Quick rundown of college pipelines represented in the game:
  • Alabama: 7 players
  • LSU: 5
  • Michigan, USC: 4 each
  • Other notable mentions: Auburn, Illinois, Ohio State, etc.
• Joel: “USC did. Darnold won, their linebacker got the interception… USC football played it perfectly on social.” [41:26]
• Van: “This is a milestone for SC. For this to be the crowning moment of an SC quarterback in the Super Bowl, it’s a big deal for their program.” [44:25]
• Consensus: USC “won” Super Bowl 60; Sam Darnold’s win as first SC QB Super Bowl champion seals it.

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6. QB Factories & College–NFL Pipelines

(46:22–51:04)

• The group riffs on which schools are legitimate “quarterback factories,” debating the credentials of Oklahoma, Alabama, Michigan, Cal, and SC.
  • Van Lathan: “Quarterback is difficult, bro… Is there any one college that puts elite guys into the league over and over again?”
• They note the sporadic nature of college-to-NFL QB success, even among powerhouse programs.

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7. Moped Stories & College Life Tangent

(51:04–57:14)

• A hilarious interlude as Tate reveals his college moped photo:
  • Van: “Tate, you thought you was in Sons of Anarchy in this.”
  • Joel: “I can just look at this picture and tell Tate has had a good life, man.” [54:19]
• They roast his “not a moped, it’s a mini bike,” riff about parking tickets and helmet style, and reflect on the status “pull” a moped provided on campus.

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8. Herbstreit’s Breakaway Proposal & CFB’s Future

(57:32–62:58)

• Kirk Herbstreit posited the Power 4 should break away from the NCAA; hosts debate serious reform vs. hot takes.
  • Van: “If there needs to be change… it’s not going to come in hot takes. It’s going to come in serious discussion…” [58:17]
  • Joel (on the classic antitrust/elitism issues): “Whenever you hear people talk like that, it just makes a lot of sense why we have segregation…” [62:25]
• The group agrees actual solutions—how to balance competitions, athlete empowerment, revenue—are more valuable than constant complaint.

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9. Eligibility Decisions – Ole Miss QB’s Waiver

(65:15–67:16)

• NCAA denied Ole Miss QB Trinidad Chambliss’s waiver for a 6th season of eligibility.
  • Van: “I thought for sure he would win. These fights are rarely lost.” [65:15]
  • Joel: “That cost this man a lot of money, bro. He could make $6 million this year potentially… I did hear from his reps they’re appealing; it isn’t over.” [67:16]

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10. Big Van On Campus: Is College Basketball Fumbling Its Moment?

(68:17–76:00)

• Van asks whether college basketball is squandering its richest freshman class in years amid structural chaos.
  • Van: “With all the talk around the off-court stuff… is college basketball fumbling a really golden opportunity with all the talent…?” [68:18]
• Tate laments basketball’s coverage:
  • “Either super in depth analytics or they don't let you enjoy the conversation… I just feel like, honestly, the media around college basketball is either too deep in the weeds or in the wrong weeds.” [70:11]
• They discuss dynamic freshmen, player development, and how college hoops still out-rates the NBA—despite lackluster media coverage.

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11. UNC vs. Duke, Basketball Propaganda & NBA Comparisons

(76:00–84:15)

• Banter over whether Duke is “far ahead” of UNC:
  • Van: “Duke is far ahead of North Carolina in terms of relevance and great players.” [76:14]
  • Tate fires back with recency (Nat’l Championships, title games): “Who’s the last one to win a championship? …Who’s the last team to go to the national championship game?” [76:38]
• They swap notes on NBA prospects (Zach Edey, Armando Bacot), the love/hate NBA writers have for CBB, and memorable “propaganda” around players.

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12. Final Thoughts & Comedian Guest Jokes

(84:15–90:03)

• The guys riff on Tom Segura’s celebrity status vs. Bill Bellamy’s, social media clout, and (good-naturedly) expose Joel for not knowing either—“I was getting her [Octavia Spencer] confused with another Octavia…” [88:15]
• Lighthearted, rapid-fire wrap-up.
• Final “raise the roof” applause and sign-off.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the Super Bowl’s vibe:
  • Van: “As a sports event, very meaningful—the Super Bowl just wasn’t my thing this year.” [05:17]
• Joel on halftime shows:
  • “The CFP needs a real televised halftime show. College football could do that!” [06:49]
• On Vegas and scandal potential:
  • Van: “I still believe a lot of sports culture in Vegas is going to end up in some tremendous scandal at some point. I still think it’s coming.” [12:03]
• On journalism hustle:
  • Joel: “Sometimes I just do shit for the story, man.” [13:54]
• On the group text conspiracy:
  • Joel: “It takes a lot to be more aggrieved than I am… Joel’s propensity to be aggrieved is not only hysterical, it’s astounding.” —Van [25:55]
• On college pipelines:
  • “USC did [win the Super Bowl]… Darnold… Uchena Nuasu… USC football played it perfectly…” —Joel [41:26]
• On CFB realignment:
  • “There’s a certain currency online in just complaining over and over again and coming with the hot takes, but not as much movement to address some issues in the sport.” —Van [61:43]
• On college hoops media:
  • “College basketball media is always fumbling. That’s part of their problem.” —Tate [69:32]
• On moped memories:
  • “Tate, you thought you was in Sons of Anarchy in this [photo].” —Van [52:01]
• Banter on QB factories:
  • “Quarterback’s difficult, bro. Can we think of any one college… that puts elite guys into the league over and over?” —Van [46:22]

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Summary

This episode is a classic Ringer Tailgate: free-ranging, comedic, but loaded with insight. The crew unpacks Super Bowl 60’s college football storylines, diagnoses the event’s lack of “buzz,” and critiques both the college pipelines on display and the current football/media landscape. Van and Tate’s college moped memories and Joel’s journalistic drive-bys provide comedic relief, while conversations on future reforms and the state of college basketball add substance. If you missed the episode, you missed irreverence, community, real football insight, and some top-shelf sports radio camaraderie.

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Key moments:

• Super Bowl 60 as anticlimax & commentary on college pipelines
• Half-serious calls for CFP (college football playoffs) to create their own "Super Bowl spectacle"
• Rich college-to-NFL player discussions
• Going deep on media and structural issues in both CFB and college basketball
• Moped-gang initiation, group text in-jokes, and Ringer Tailgate’s signature storytelling flavor

Transcript

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[Van Lathan]

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[Joel Anderson]

Grab a green juice, quick change and head to work. Meetings, workshops. One more Celsius.

[Van Lathan]

No slowing down. Working late, but obviously still meeting the girls for a little dancing.

[Joel Anderson]

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[Van Lathan]

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[Tate Frazier]

Welcome back to Ringer Tailgate, the Wednesday and only edition of the show during the week. I'm your host, Tate Frazier. We are here, we're going to talk super bowl, try to relate it back to college football as best we can. We also got some fun stuff ahead. Maybe a big van on campus. Maybe an appearance from Billy Gill who was actually a radio radio row at the Super Bowl. So we'll get to that. But first and foremost, let's say what's up to Van Lathan. Van, what's going on, man?

[Van Lathan]

What up, what up, what up, what up, kid Cudi?

[Tate Frazier]

I never know what Van's gonna say. They got me fired up. And then we got Joel Anderson.

[Joel Anderson]

Who?

[Tate Frazier]

Joel, are we doing an award show here? You look dressed up. You look nice. Should we raise the roof?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, we should raise the roof. As I mentioned before the show, I went to the funeral of a friend's father today in Virginia. And so, you know, I had to put on my suit, man, and pay my respects to Mr. Stanton.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, let's pour one out.

[Joel Anderson]

Pay our respects, old Irish Catholic service man.

[Van Lathan]

Rest in peace to Mr. Stanton. It's always sad when people go, but it's a blessing to celebrate lives well led.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, it was dope it was really. And it was like. It was a throwback because the priest really knew Mr. Stanton. Like, he was like, yeah, I was on his. Yeah. And I was like, man, you just. It's very rare that you go to a funeral these days. And the pastor actually knew the person who's, you know, who's officiating the ceremony. So that was really. That was really dope, man. So, yeah, it just. It was. It was not. I mean, as funerals go, it was nice to be there.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah. It's also, like you said, when it doesn't feel like they just got cue cards with, like, a couple things to hit and they just kind of formulate a little, you know, message or whatever when they actually know the stories. It's always good stuff. We love that. That. Let's get to one big reaction. The Super Bowl, Big Sunday, Obviously a lot going on with the Super Bowl. We're going to get to how it relates back to college football. But just one big reaction. Let's start there. Super Bowl 60 in Santa Clara. We were not there. Billy Gill was there on Radio Row. We'll get Billy's thoughts at some point. But, Van, did you have a big reaction to the Super Bowl? Any thoughts from this?

[Van Lathan]

This was the most disinterested in a Super Bowl I've been in a long time. Not just the. Not the. Just the game itself, which Joel loves. Defensive football struggle. And if you love defensive football, this game had a lot for you. But I just think this year maybe it was a. I was. I came down from last year. Last year was my best super bowl experience I've ever had. I was there in New Orleans for the entire week. Lots of people were there. I got stories on stories on stories. I could tell stories of the whole ringer crew in the casino that Friday night going crazy. Tell stories of Jack and Raheem Acme's oyster house. Like, there's all kinds of stories I could tell.

[Joel Anderson]

How many people from the ringer went. Cause I worked at the ring again. How did they decide who was going, Joe?

[Van Lathan]

Well, they decided obviously, that you weren't going to. Clearly. Yeah, they decided this.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I just.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, okay. And. But by the way, serves you right. And I'll tell you why. Because you were making so much of the fact that we didn't get credentialed for the Miami game. Serves you right. Okay. But this year, I think overall, maybe it was just like the juxtaposition to that, but just the lead up to it, the build up to it, the entire There weren't any really compelling storylines. Congratulations to the Seahawks. The game was what it was. But the entire super bowl this year just kind of was not my deal. Like, as a sports event, very meaningful as a sports fan, but as a Super bowl spectacles show, it just wasn't my thing this year.

[Tate Frazier]

Felt like a lot of apathy out there. Joel, do you agree? Do you or did you love this game? Because you do love defensive football.

[Joel Anderson]

I do like defensive football, but I like defensive football when there's a great offense on the other side and they're having to struggle to figure it out. And you can just see, okay, like, this quarterback of this offense, they just. They need a moment to figure out what's going to work against this defense. And in this case, it was like, oh, these are just two average to below average quarterback. Sorry, Tate, talk about your boy. But, you know, I mean, it's kind of crazy to say that about a guy who was like, one vote away from being the mvp, but it doesn't feel the same when it's just like, oh, these offenses can't do shit and the defenses don't respect them. You remember when, like, they were just biting on every. Every throw Sam Darnold made in the first quarter. Like, they broke on it early, you know what I mean?

[Van Lathan]

And I thought they were gonna get one.

[Joel Anderson]

I did. I thought he was.

[Tate Frazier]

I mean, Dallas almost had one on jsn.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, he really should have had one. Yeah. And so I just didn't. You know, it wasn't a bad game, but it didn't have a lot of energy. And I mean, you know, I don't. I don't. I don't know what accounts for that. Like, maybe it's because there wasn't a great quarterback in the game or like, a truly. A team that people think of as truly dominant. Like, maybe it was that. But no, I. I wasn't. You know, I wasn't that excited about it, but it was the last football game for the next few months, and so I have no choice but to get hype about it, because I feel you. I see the. What's down the. The road here, and it's nothing. But you know what I was actually thinking about? The CFP needs a real televised halftime show.

[Tate Frazier]

Oh, there we go.

[Joel Anderson]

Like, why can't they do it? Yeah, bro. Look, I mean, college football basically already has a Jay Z. Bret Yarmark, the commissioner of the Big 12 that was the former CEO of Roc Nation. They could pull that off, man. You remember, Tate, when they had that game was it Clemson came down to North Carolina and we spent so much time talking about how ludicrous was going to have a show before. Before the game. And I'm like, college football could do that. Like, why don't they do that?

[Tate Frazier]

It was like 9am is the earliest concert of Ludacris career.

[Joel Anderson]

He said, yeah, he don't be waking up before for nobody, man. Yeah, right.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, dog, that's horrible.

[Van Lathan]

But, yeah, I mean, this is interesting. This is interesting. What can college football learn from the Super Bowl? Like, just overall, when we're talking about the entire spectacle of the super bowl, college football is a different sport, but it is trending in a more professional way. If they're going to take lessons from the super bowl and making it that type of spectacle, you're not going to capture all of America like that. But what lessons can they learn? Like, what could they steal?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I mean, would they? Definitely. The thing is college football, because it's so regional and whatever, they don't have to shoot for the stars and get a Kendrick or a bad bunny. Like, let's say. All right, they go to Tampa in 2029 for the national championship game.

[Van Lathan]

Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

Would you be mad if Dochy headline that little show?

[Van Lathan]

Nah.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, that would be huge.

[Van Lathan]

That's what. Yeah. Yeah. Would you be mad if that was. I take that as disrespect to Dolce.

[Joel Anderson]

Honestly, no.

[Van Lathan]

Well, I mean, would you be mad? Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Be mad if she had to headline the Super Bowl? People would be like, no, I would love.

[Van Lathan]

Why you don't want to see her. You don't want to see.

[Joel Anderson]

I love Tampa. I would. I would even show up for that because I'll probably get credentialed. I don't know if y' all would, but I would if you went to 2030. The game is in Miami Gardens.

[Van Lathan]

Billy.

[Joel Anderson]

What if they had Gloria Eston in the Miami Sound Machine?

[Van Lathan]

They had Gloria.

[Billy Gill]

Are we starting this again with glorious. They Pitbull at the last one, like, before I.

[Van Lathan]

You could get Pitbull.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

You work at Pitbull. I mean, Pitbull Stadium on. On the weekend, on the weekends, every home Saturday. You know what I'm saying?

[Van Lathan]

I'm going be real with you, man.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I don't think Rock Nation would do this, but Pitbull would be a fire. Super bowl halftime show.

[Joel Anderson]

Pitbull, Flow rider. Who else they could know if they Florida thing, do the whole thing Trick Dad, Rick Ross, Trina, you know.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, Trina. The baddest.

[Joel Anderson]

The baddest yeah. All right. That's right.

[Tate Frazier]

That's a great halftime performance. I mean, also this year we had little Uzi vert on the sideline. Like, Lil Uzi could have easily done halftime. 15 minutes.

[Joel Anderson]

I just feel like college football is missing out. Like, right now they have the particip. They have the. The participating schools. Bands go through their little routine, and I'm like, we could. We could spiff that up a little bit, right? Like, if they. If they just had to be a part of it, they could back whoever, you know, next year it's in Vegas. I mean, I don't know who's famous from Vegas. All I remember from Wayne Newton. Oh, two. Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, Wayne Newton's there. You could.

[Joel Anderson]

You could do.

[Van Lathan]

With Vegas, you could do. If you're going to do a Super bowl in Vegas, or you could do a halftime show at Vegas, you could do people from Vegas, right? And then you'd have some people. You come out there, you have Jimmy Kimmel come out there and do a thing. Welcome to Vegas and the whole nine, whatever. But you could also do artists that made their bones in Vegas.

[Joel Anderson]

Yep.

[Van Lathan]

Like, people that have had long Vegas. You could have Celine Dion, Adele. Like, you could have a Usher, you could have a bunch of. You could do the whole rotation of Vegas love. And that would come to me. Janet. Janet Jackson. A lot of people. People that are more synonymous with Vegas. And then people who. You got. Have Terry Fader come out. All right. Do like puppets of the game. Right. During the thing. You could go crazy with Vegas.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Boy, I tell you what, the super bowl is in Vegas. What year? Like, what year is. When is super bowl in Vegas?

[Joel Anderson]

Not next year. It is next year.

[Van Lathan]

LA next year.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, it's LA next year.

[Tate Frazier]

It's LA next year.

[Van Lathan]

What?

[Tate Frazier]

Are you sure college football's in Vegas next year?

[Joel Anderson]

No, that's super bowl in. The super bowl in LA next year. The Super Bowl's in LA next year. Yeah, the.

[Van Lathan]

College football is.

[Tate Frazier]

College football's in Vegas.

[Van Lathan]

I'm telling you guys right now. So Vegas is getting. Vegas is about to become the sports capital of America. It is. It is. Vegas is going to become the sports capital of America. What Vegas needs right now, the NBA just announced expansion, and the two teams are probably going to be Las Vegas and Seattle. The NBA is. The NBA is going there. The NFL is already there. If the Raiders become relevant, truly relevant, right.

[Joel Anderson]

They're going to get Fernando Mendoza.

[Van Lathan]

You know, they have NBA. Vegas is going to become one of the number one spots for sports Sports, entertainment, like in the country. That's gonna be terrible. That's gonna ruin a lot of shit.

[Joel Anderson]

That's not why I figured that would be.

[Tate Frazier]

Well, gambling as well would be involved.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, there's gonna be right now. Because the ladies in the WNBA have been the vanguards of Vegas sports, but they also have the NHL, right? Those guys are good. What are they? Golden Knights.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, the Golden Knights.

[Joel Anderson]

Didn't they win a Stanley cup or some shit like that?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, the White Knights of Vegas or something like that.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, the Golden Knights.

[Tate Frazier]

The Golden Knights.

[Joel Anderson]

They should go running Rebels, man.

[Van Lathan]

Exactly. Same thing. But like, I still am one of those people that believe that a lot of sports culture in Vegas is going to end up in some tremendous scandal at some point. I still think it's coming. I still think it's coming.

[Joel Anderson]

God, you guys don't agree.

[Van Lathan]

I don't care what anybody.

[Joel Anderson]

Wait, what's the. What would be the scandal? You mean gambling? Or would it be like some buying some hoes or something? Like, what would it.

[Tate Frazier]

I mean, all the above, I think all the above.

[Joel Anderson]

It's legal there? Yeah, it's legal there.

[Van Lathan]

Not in Vegas.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, it's outside of Vegas, right?

[Van Lathan]

Outside. Try act like you don't know outside.

[Tate Frazier]

It's in Peram.

[Joel Anderson]

I'll just never forget you go to Vegas. Name down the street, homeboy. Doing that with some paper with the thing that little. Yeah, was trying to get your attention, man.

[Van Lathan]

Flip like, here, here, here, here.

[Tate Frazier]

I'm like, yeah, they just give you a car. Like when I was like 8 years old and I earned. I don't know how old I was. First time I went to Vegas, they were just giving out cards. I was like, what? And then I was like, oh, this is not like Pokemon cards.

[Billy Gill]

Why are you in Vegas at 8?

[Tate Frazier]

I was young. I was at a Carolina basketball game.

[Joel Anderson]

Of course he was.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, Jesus.

[Joel Anderson]

Of course, back in the day, you know about the. The. So. Because they have all those ranches out there. One time when I was in Vegas, I drove out to see Heidi Fleiss's house and Pahrump, Nevada, because she lives.

[Tate Frazier]

In Pahrump, right on the border.

[Joel Anderson]

And so I drove up to her house to see if I. And it. You know, to keep away stuff like that. You know what I'm saying?

[Van Lathan]

Why do. Do we believe this story?

[Joel Anderson]

I'm gonna come clean. I did drive up to the Bun to one of them ranches, see what it looked like from the front. I didn't go inside, but I was going to say I was Like, I think I got pictures of architect outside.

[Van Lathan]

Joel, nobody believes you.

[Joel Anderson]

I didn't have money for that.

[Van Lathan]

It's like, joel, I just went to Krispy Kreme just to look at the donuts.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, I just want to see the sign.

[Van Lathan]

You go to Krispy Kreme, try a couple glaze.

[Joel Anderson]

I wasn't trying to buy nothing, man. I promise you. I just wanted to see what it looked like, that's all. Just like. You know why I did?

[Tate Frazier]

You were window shopping.

[Joel Anderson]

I was window also. But you know what it is? I did it so I could have that story to tell today. Sometimes I just do shit for the story, man.

[Van Lathan]

What?

[Joel Anderson]

It was all part. Part. I drove through Death Valley on that trip, man.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, it's a great drive.

[Joel Anderson]

Just do.

[Tate Frazier]

From LA to Vegas is a fun drive.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, just go. Just go.

[Van Lathan]

Do. Like it a lot before. Yeah, I used to like it a lot. It's like a very cool drive to do.

[Joel Anderson]

Yes. It's very like. It's like you're almost at the end of the earth, you know?

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

And that's what it was like going out to Heidi Fleiss's house.

[Van Lathan]

Gotcha.

[Joel Anderson]

All right.

[Tate Frazier]

All right. Oh, man, that was great, Billy. You were at Super Bowl Radio Row. We don't have to get into our Octavia Spencer disaster.

[Billy Gill]

But wait, that was a whole Heidi Fleiss story that you drove out there just to say that to us now, 20 years later.

[Joel Anderson]

Do you want me to tell you the whole story?

[Van Lathan]

Yes. Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

Yes. It's the offseason, Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

All right, so I did a story on this female boxing judge who C.J. ross. She got basically B, you know, booted out of high level boxing because she had bungled some cards before. Like she had up a Pacquiao fight and something else. And my story was like, hey, is this actually, like, are people jumping on her because she's a bad judge or is this an element of sexism? And so she had never talked to anybody before, and she talked to me for that story, and I wrote it for Buzzfeed. But part of it, you know, when I go to a place, man, I like. I want to see the flavor of a place, bro. I'm. That's why I always have a car when I go out of town. I'm just gonna drive and see some dog. So I went. I drove through the Red Rock Mountains. Is that what they're called? The Red.

[Tate Frazier]

They are red.

[Joel Anderson]

And I wanted to go see the laundromat that Hay Flies owned in Pahrump because This. This judge, CJ Ross, actually lived in Pahrump, but she was moving. When I. When I interviewed her. She moved to someplace. I don't even know if I should just tell people because, you know, she's a private citizen at this point. But anyway, it was just a lot of fun. But she. The thing about C.J. ross is that I showed up and I was supposed to meet her and at a casino just off the Strip, and she didn't show up. Like, she stood me up.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, shit.

[Joel Anderson]

And so that's what. So I had. I was like, well, man, you're not gonna be able to do that to me. So I just drove to her house, man, and knocked on her door.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, let me see if she's at Heidi Fleiss's house.

[Van Lathan]

So wait a second.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Van Lathan]

So you were supposed to do an interview with someone. They didn't show up. So you went to your personal home?

[Joel Anderson]

I went to the personal home.

[Van Lathan]

Fantastic journalism, baby.

[Joel Anderson]

I did that with Josh Rosen, too, man. Josh Rosen. The UCLA wouldn't let me talk to him, so I drove to his mom and daddy's house in Manhattan Beach.

[Van Lathan]

Boy, we gotta do a whole segment on Joel getting a scoop.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Cause I wish a motherfucker would come to my crib. I didn't do an interview. But, Joe. But you.

[Joel Anderson]

They weren't happy about it.

[Van Lathan]

They weren't. I'm sure, like, you getting the scoop was very important, but this is how you got to where you are. And y' all don't know the Joel that I know. Y' all didn't listen to Slow Burn. Y' all didn't. Like, a lot of you did. But this is a scoop getter over here. Joel is a scooper. I will say Cooper Anderson, I will.

[Joel Anderson]

Say this is how I ended up getting Clarence Thomas's mama. You know, I just. I rolled up to the house, man. You know, I just. The thing is, maybe I wouldn't do it in this climate now, because I feel like people will be looking for a reason to shoot you. Right? But I just feel like. And this is going to sound, you know, maybe a little obnoxious, whatever, but I feel like, you know, if I show up at your front door, you're gonna like me, you know, and.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, you know, that's obnoxious at all.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Right. And I just kind of feel like, you know, I'm not going to be rude. I'm gonna be, you know, whatever. I'm gonna be polite. You can tell. You can turn me Away. And I totally understand it, but I just want out. You're gonna have to tell me no. Especially if my company.

[Van Lathan]

No.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, right. And so. So that's why I ended up at C.J. ross's house. And I drove up to Heidi Fleis's house hoping I could talk to her about what life was like out in Pahrump.

[Billy Gill]

Wait, I thought you were just going to see what it looked like.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, yeah, in retrospect, I was like, oh, I was hoping she would talk to me.

[Tate Frazier]

Stories change it.

[Joel Anderson]

And then I was like, wait, Heidi Fleiss. You didn't go there.

[Van Lathan]

Hold on. You're lying. You did go up there just to see. Okay, let's. Let's talk about it.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, Heidi Fleiss.

[Van Lathan]

You went up there to talk to Heidi Fleiss?

[Joel Anderson]

That was part of it.

[Van Lathan]

But.

[Joel Anderson]

But CJ Ross lived in Pahrump too. They both. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

So. So like, so sometimes I find myself in, I don't know, the Valley. Right. I'm going to a friend's house. I don't go. You know what? The Kardashians live in the Valley too. Let me go drop in on them and see what's poppin. But see, you did. And you wanted. You went to her home. Joel, just, just real quick, let's just flesh this out.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

You're in the neighborhood where, you know, Heidi Fleiss lives.

[Joel Anderson]

It ain't even really a neighborhood. It was like on the outskirts of Pahrump.

[Tate Frazier]

She probably much in Pahrump.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, not. She probably like incorporated Pahrump.

[Tate Frazier]

The Martians from Mars attacked. That's landed.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, right. Yeah, the pool.

[Van Lathan]

So you decided that you were just dropping on Heidi Flice?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Weird.

[Joel Anderson]

Is that weird?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Can I just. Can I ask a quick follow up question?

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, It's.

[Billy Gill]

It sounds like you like sold bleach report on this story about this speed. Okay, it sounds like. Sounds like you sold Buzzfeed on this idea of this story for this referee when you really just wanted to meet Heidi Fleiss.

[Joel Anderson]

No, no, no, no. I did the C.J. ross story. Y' all can look it up, put it in show notes. I did do the CJ Ross story and it was really good. And a whole bunch of people were like. I mean, they were basically calling me woke before people started using woke. But you know, hey, man, I felt sorry for the woman, man. I mean, she. I don't think she ever worked in. She had spent this. She. I mean, she had this really horrible first marriage and started doing some refereeing fights In Reno, because she, you know, it was like, oh, man, this is something I'm good at, and I have a little community with it. And she came up, up, up, started doing the big fights in Vegas, and then they just bounced her out of there, man. I thought it was a compelling story, so I wanted to go see her. But I can't lie. I was like, if I'm in Pahrump, I mean, what sense does it make to not go to Heidi Fleis's house? It's not a big enough city. If I'm there, I'm gonna go see her, and I want to go see the Bunny Ranch, you know what I'm saying? I want to see what was going on over there. I don't know if I'll ever go back. I doubt I'm ever back in Pahrump. So I had to get the most out of the experience.

[Van Lathan]

Word up.

[Tate Frazier]

Okay, we got the story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's erase the roof for that.

[Van Lathan]

Raise the roof for Heidi Fleiss, man. She's still with us.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, she's still alive. I think someone should make, like, the biopic about her, you know what I mean? Like, I'm surprised.

[Joel Anderson]

That inherently interesting life.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, that'd be a good. You'd win an Oscar if you play that character. You know what I mean? Like, that would be money.

[Joel Anderson]

There's a lot.

[Van Lathan]

I'm sure they've done a Heidi Fleiss movie before. They almost have had to.

[Tate Frazier]

I'm gonna look it up. I don't know if they have.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, Jennifer Connelly. Could she be Heidi Fleiss?

[Tate Frazier]

No, it has to be Margaret Qualley.

[Van Lathan]

That's a good pool. Yeah, that's a good pool. And also strangely specific in terms of you wanting to see Margaret quality like that. You know, I'm getting to know when I get. When I get to know you guys, because I get. I get the reputation of the horny whatever, but getting to know you guys.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, you got.

[Van Lathan]

Just like that, and then you drove. You cannot point to a story that I've told at the ringer, that I've told on any podcast ever that is as creepy, as weird, as off putting as you just driving to Heidi Fleiss's house.

[Joel Anderson]

Nah, darg, Joe.

[Van Lathan]

I'm not. I'm gonna let the people decide.

[Tate Frazier]

Billy.

[Van Lathan]

Nodding like there's not a story I've ever heard.

[Joel Anderson]

She's the most famous resident of Pahrump, Nevada, man.

[Van Lathan]

Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, it would be. I would not be doing my job as a journalist. If I didn't, because I'm trying to. Part of the story was like, how remote. Like, this woman basically had to disappear, man. And so she's at the end of the world where all these people who have been shamed by society in some way have found community out here. Who better represents that than Heidi Fleiss?

[Van Lathan]

Word. Okay, word up.

[Joel Anderson]

What year Fleiss was selling it? You know, I don't think she was doing any of the herself. Like, she was just a madam, correct? Oh, yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

She. She was the madam.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

2013, Nevada police found 400 marijuana plants growing in her home in Pahrump, Nevada.

[Joel Anderson]

I was there. I like it.

[Tate Frazier]

And then in 2022, Flies announced she moved to Missouri. So she's not there anymore.

[Van Lathan]

Shout out to Missouri Tigers.

[Billy Gill]

Pull up on her house in Missouri. Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I would if I found myself in Missouri. But I mean, it. It would have to be somewhat germane to the story, of course.

[Billy Gill]

So I have. I have some news for you guys. There's a biopic, the Heidi Fleiss story, been announced, and they have an actress set to play Heidi Fleiss. This was announced in late 2025. Do you want to guess who it is?

[Van Lathan]

Give me a hit.

[Joel Anderson]

She's white.

[Billy Gill]

Well, yeah. Yeah, good guess. Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

Starring Zendaya.

[Van Lathan]

Coco Jo. Coco Jones is Heidi Flice.

[Billy Gill]

That's actually what Octavian Spencer was promoting last night.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, right?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man. We never got to hear it.

[Billy Gill]

It's Aubrey Plaza.

[Tate Frazier]

Oh, that's in the Quality World.

[Van Lathan]

That's a lot of sense.

[Tate Frazier]

Checked out.

[Van Lathan]

We love her. That makes a lot of sense.

[Joel Anderson]

Heidi Fleiss is 60 years old. Yeah, man.

[Van Lathan]

Man, this was the 90s, dog.

[Joel Anderson]

Life is moving so fast.

[Tate Frazier]

It's crazy because, like, the 90s feel like 10, 20 max, and now it's like 30. You know what I mean?

[Van Lathan]

It's crazy.

[Joel Anderson]

I cannot believe she left Paul Rump.

[Van Lathan]

All right.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah. All right. Can we get. Get back to the Super Bowl? Billy, you were there at Radio Row. Like, there's a lot of people, like, you know, Shark and Products doing the whole thing. Like, is there any takeaways that you had from Radio Row for us to help spice up this very boring apathy. Apathetic super bowl experience we had?

[Billy Gill]

It was. It was weird. There wasn't, like, Van was right. There wasn't really an energy for the super bowl this year. It felt like kind of headed into it, and you kind of thought this might go the way that it went. And then the game kind of played out, and it was Just a boring game for most of the time. Like, we were texting during the game asking like, is this boring or is this like a great defensive struggle? And, you know, Vanity were honest and like, this game sucks. And Joel was like, no, this is great.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, it was the same thread. I didn't even. For real.

[Billy Gill]

Can we, can we talk about this? Van, you weren't here when this started. But I told. I told Joel. So I. I was in San Francisco last week. I was doing some stuff for the super bowl, like behind the scenes stuff, whatever. Right? And, you know, after that, they had me go to LA to do like a recap episode for the Ringer NFL show.

[Van Lathan]

Okay.

[Billy Gill]

In between, I made a stop. I came back home. I had to take care of something. So I flew San Francisco to Miami, then Miami back to la.

[Tate Frazier]

That's crazy.

[Joel Anderson]

Horrible.

[Billy Gill]

So I did that. I was here for like two days. Anyway, it doesn't matter. The point is. Okay, so the point is, is that I flew into LA late on Saturday, Super Bowl Sunday, obviously I got in like at 10 o' clock and I was like, oh, you know what? Like, I have a couple hours before the game before I have to do work. Like, let. Maybe I'll reach out to Van Tate, see if we're going to, like, meet up, eat some lunch or something, just kind of check in. Right, right. But because I got in so late, I was like, I'm not going to bother them because everybody has their super bowl plans. I don't want to feel like, you know, like I'm inconveniencing anyone to just meet up. So I didn't end up doing that. So I was just casually telling Tate this. And then Joel turned it into this whole thing about how there's a secret thread without him. Why did I ask him if he wanted to have lunch Super Bowl Sunday in la?

[Tate Frazier]

He's like, how did you communicate with Van and Tate?

[Joel Anderson]

It doesn't make sense. You really would just start a whole nother thread of Van and take to ask them if they want to go to lunch.

[Van Lathan]

They don't.

[Tate Frazier]

You don't.

[Joel Anderson]

You know that I wouldn't pay attention to that text anyway. But you could have done it on a thread with me. You would need what you had to go through your phone. You know how hard it is to start a new text thread.

[Billy Gill]

It's super simple.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, it's not hard.

[Joel Anderson]

It's a whole bunch of extra steps. Most people don't do that.

[Van Lathan]

So this is the. This is something that I love. It takes a lot to be more aggrieved than I am. But Joel is so much more aggrieved. I'm not in every single way than I could ever hope to be.

[Joel Anderson]

Agree.

[Van Lathan]

Joel gets. Joel gets mad when people don't follow him. Joel gets mad at the way people follow me.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't want you to follow.

[Van Lathan]

Joe gets. Joel's propensity. His ability to be aggrieved is not only hysterical, it's astounding. Like, it is, like, for this right there.

[Joel Anderson]

You really think it's okay to not follow somebody and then, like, at them? Like, awesome, familiar shit. For real, like, you think that's okay?

[Tate Frazier]

I personally think that. I think that's okay.

[Joel Anderson]

If I don't follow you, there's no reason for me to talk to you. You know what I mean? Unless you're, like, racist or something.

[Van Lathan]

I'm not saying that, like, all the time that you're wrong, but I'm just saying the level of grievance is.

[Joel Anderson]

This isn't grievance. I just, again, I'm piecing together how. What that shit was in la, you know? And so just like, okay, you're still.

[Tate Frazier]

Working, you're still a journalist. You're still putting the story together.

[Joel Anderson]

It's like, I mean, just, you know, significant planning. And of course it will. I wasn't involved. Like, I would. I didn't see any text, so presumably, I doubt Billy is going one by one, texting, hey, freeze. Can you do this? Can you. He put y' all all on a thread without me, and that's fine. And that's probably the one y' all use for this.

[Van Lathan]

There was. Nothing happened, you know?

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, there's no thread. He didn't even send a text. Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, none of us have been to dinner or lunch ever.

[Van Lathan]

Who.

[Joel Anderson]

There's no. We've never. We've never pulled it off successfully.

[Van Lathan]

Me and Tate went to the game at 8 and stuff. We hung out.

[Joel Anderson]

That don't really count. That don't really count.

[Billy Gill]

They went to a game without you also.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, that's true.

[Joel Anderson]

That's true. I mean, they were throwing it up in my face like it was some.

[Tate Frazier]

No, we're all gonna go to a USC game next year.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's fine.

[Van Lathan]

It feels up to me. We'd hang out all the time, like, Joe, you don't live here, which is starting to become both of you guys, by the way. Your futures are in Los Angeles. You might as well start looking for homes. Like, it's going to. It's going to happen. So the reality is, once Bill pulls that one off right, then you're not gonna have an excuse not to. Cause I know you're not gonna hang out. Joe Joel, every time we even want to go too late with the podcast, you use fatherhood as a cudgel to get in between.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm just telling you, I gotta get into the night. You know what I'm saying? I was like, all right, I need to involve myself in the routine. Cause without me, we're down a person.

[Van Lathan]

Did you have kids when you drove up to Heidi Fleiss's house?

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, I did not. I did not. I mean, I had all kind of time in the world, bro.

[Billy Gill]

That makes it better.

[Van Lathan]

That makes. That makes it better. That makes it.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, just doing it whatever I wanted when I had kids.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, but, like, if you were in Missouri, you said you'd drive to her house again, and you do have kids now.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, I mean, if I'm gonna. If. If, like, follow up. That's Ben Glicksman, my editor. He's like, we need to do a story in Columbia, Missouri. But it involves something about like. Like, disgrace, people finding a home here. I'd be like, okay, cool. And now I know Heidi Fleis lives there. So I would talk like, why did you pick this place?

[Billy Gill]

Like, I would love for Ben Glicksman to reach out to you, the editor of the website, and say, we need you to do a story in Missouri. Just to hear you follow up with. Can I go to Heidi Fleiss's house?

[Joel Anderson]

I don't ask. I just go. I don't ask. Just go.

[Billy Gill]

Okay, Just, you know, the don't ask, just go approach. I floated something out to Tate. Yeah, I floated something out to Tate a week ago. Van. Because we have one of the biggest games in ringer tailgate history coming up, and it's the first game of next season, and it's North Carolina and it's tcu, and it's.

[Van Lathan]

It.

[Billy Gill]

It's in Ireland, in Dublin.

[Van Lathan]

That's not happening.

[Joel Anderson]

What?

[Van Lathan]

I'm not going way out there.

[Joel Anderson]

Wait, hold on, Doc. Somebody. Somebody.

[Van Lathan]

I don't.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't necessarily want to do this because I don't want to go. You know what I'm saying? Because it'll be tough. I would go and have kids or whatever, but a reader.

[Billy Gill]

How are kids, like, both your crutch and your excuse?

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, it's a. It's a crutch to go. Start doing.

[Tate Frazier]

Could go to Heidi's house. Can't go to Dublin.

[Joel Anderson]

Can't Go to Dublin. But no one a reader or a listener. And I'm sorry, brother, if I can't remember. He reached out to me just in the past week and was like, enjoyed you on whatever this was. And if you're ever in Dublin, I'll make sure you get a meal and some pints. And that's how I was like, oh, he really is Irish. Because pints, like, I. Whatever the American talk like that. I was like, well, shit. I said, bro, there's a football game in Dublin, first game of the week that involves me and Tate's team. I was like, I mean, that is kind of cool. You know, it would make sense for us to go, you know, if we went.

[Van Lathan]

Interesting. It's two.

[Tate Frazier]

It's 200 days away.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Look, I'm gonna be all the way. All the way real with y'. All. Like, no disrespect, okay? TCU in North Carolina not getting me to Europe.

[Joel Anderson]

You wanted us to go to Baton Rouge to see LSU and Louisiana Tech, dog. Like that. Don't act like. If you put a poll up, would you rather go see TCU in North Carolina in Dublin, or would you rather see LSU and Louisiana Tech in Baton Rouge and see who wins that?

[Van Lathan]

So this is what I'll say. That's fine. I actually respect that. Right?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

To me, the game itself, the game day atmosphere in Baton Rouge, even if the team is whack, is legendary. If you love college football, a lot of people would say that that's something worth seeing. Right. But I don't just feel that way about lsu. I've been to a lot of them. I'll tell you what's not legendary, okay? The rivalry between tc. So you go. You going way out there to Sonny.

[Tate Frazier]

Dykes, Bill Belichick, Come on, Jordan gonna.

[Joel Anderson]

Be out there, man.

[Billy Gill]

Are we gonna talk about that shirt in this episode or no?

[Van Lathan]

We are talking about it, man.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I mean, Tate got so mad.

[Van Lathan]

Tate got pissed off. Tay, we should talk about this. Tate, you're starting to. You're putting yourself in a very precarious situation with the North Carolina faithful, bro. You're about to be on the outs with them. You are.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, you are. You better straighten up, bro.

[Tate Frazier]

You think she's. You think she's going to take me out? She can't take me out.

[Joel Anderson]

I feel like she. If. Do you think if Jordan was like, there's this guy at the ring who's always talking about me. I don't want him to come to the game. I don't want him I don't want him there. He says he doesn't like me. He basically called me trash. All this other. You would get banned.

[Billy Gill]

You're about to be Carolina Heidi Flice.

[Van Lathan]

Tell people. Tell people what you said. Talk to Michael Lombardo. I hope you're listening. Like, what's his name? Tell the people what you said about Jordan. Tell the people the anti Belichick Jordan sentiment that you've been espousing on group text.

[Tate Frazier]

I just said, I think it's the Carolina Duke game. Like, you know what I mean? Like, there's bigger fish here to fry. And we're not. We don't care about Robert Kraft's infidelities on his. His Joel, like, trips. You know what I mean? Like, we don't care where he was willing to drive to. To go, you know, to his different spas and things. We don't care. Right, Joel? We don't care about that.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't. I mean, I. I'm not going to judge him for it, you know. Well, I don't know. He's kind of participating potentially in sex trafficking, depending on what you think about.

[Van Lathan]

Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. There's no. Potentially.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

No, no, no. Have I ever told you guys this story?

[Joel Anderson]

No.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, so we have story time. So we had this story. So we get a tip at TMZ that. And this was. This was one of the funnier tips that we've ever gotten. So we get a tip at TMZ, comes through on the email tip line, and it says that Robert Kraft has been arrested as part of sex trafficking sting operation in Florida. Great tip. Like, great tip. This is weeks, maybe even months before. Was this in Jupiter? Where was this at? I can't remember where it was, man.

[Joel Anderson]

It was. Yeah. One of them little time.

[Van Lathan]

One of them little.

[Tate Frazier]

I mean, she got a shirt from the.

[Joel Anderson]

It was outside of Orlando. I feel like whatever it was, this is months.

[Van Lathan]

Months, at least weeks. Months before the story comes out. And the tip is so specific that we know that it's real on a sports desk. We know that it's true. But the cops will not work with us every time we try to do any investigation to get anyone, even on background to confirm this story that this actually happened. Complete stonewall. Not even they won't. This is. And I know people would think, oh, these cops aren't gonna talk to you. This is unusual. It's unusual. At least for us, for us not to get any type of motion around somebody of that magnitude getting caught at a hand Job house as part of a sex trafficking probe. As part of. I'm not, I'm not making whatever all of that, whatever he does and stuff like that. There was an actual narrative around the sex trafficking that was allegedly going on at that place. That in and of itself, I mean that's like from central casting as far as the harrowing allegations around what was going on, not just at that place but in that area.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh wow.

[Van Lathan]

But no one would talk to us. No one would talk to us. No one would confirm it. No one would say anything. No one even tangential to it that we could get to would be like, yeah, Robert Kraft was in this. We only had the tipster and the details from the tipster. We knew that it was real though. But Robert Kraft circled the wagons around that and just that was as tight lipped as anything ever. But then by the time all of the information and stuff came out, I say weeks or months, but it was. I can't remember exactly the amount of time it was before they came back and told us, before we realized it and stuff like that, but we had it sometime before. By the time it came out, we had it. We went up with it, but we couldn't get the story first. We couldn't go to press with it because every single person surrounding it with vow of silence. Lockbox. He had the whole block silent.

[Joel Anderson]

Damn.

[Van Lathan]

Very, very, very. In my experience there very unusual. You can normally get someone to give you the story. When Jason Pierre Paul blew his hand up.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Had it right away, huh? Someone told me right away. Someone told me right away.

[Joel Anderson]

Damn. Did you own that story? Damn.

[Van Lathan]

But we, we couldn't go to. That was another one to where it was. I knew it was good. I knew it was good. Like had it right away but I couldn't get any pictures of it and we can't go to the hospital with it because there's all kinds of. Because remember what's. His face got in trouble.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Schefter. Right.

[Van Lathan]

He, he got in trouble. Like it's a HIPAA violation to do all of that stuff. So we had to sit on that one. So we know stuff when it happens. But Kraft had his people. They had his people tight lipped about it. Yep.

[Tate Frazier]

That's Tiger Woods. That's where he lives. Jupiter, Florida. Like it's. Yeah. That, that neighborhood is like big time rich, big time golf.

[Joel Anderson]

So checks out who, who's the baseball team that summer that springs there in Jupiter. Yeah, in their baseball team down there. Mlb. Who is it? Because I've been I know. I've been to Jupiter before.

[Tate Frazier]

They're all down in Florida or Arizona, basically.

[Van Lathan]

Well, now that we know those parlors are down there, we know why you went.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, you weren't. You weren't covering the Marlins or the Cardinals, that's for sure.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I just went down there to.

[Joel Anderson]

Look at the Florida. I mean, I didn't need to. You know what I'm saying? I didn't. I didn't have no problems when I was that age, you know.

[Tate Frazier]

Oh, you know, I was fine.

[Joel Anderson]

I was okay.

[Van Lathan]

Sexy ass.

[Joel Anderson]

I did okay.

[Van Lathan]

That's what the I'm talking about.

[Joel Anderson]

I know you don't call me Rick James. What up? You know what I'm saying? That's fine.

[Van Lathan]

There's the roof for Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

Raise the roof. But, I mean, I did all right. But, you know, so I didn't. Well, basically what I'm saying is I didn't have to. Have to go there. Jupiter to do that. But so.

[Van Lathan]

But later on when things were a little slower down, that's why you had to go see the Bunny Ranch and Heidi flies off.

[Joel Anderson]

Heidi was an. Was an interesting person to talk to. I had a bet. I bet I didn't want to see her naked. Who? What's. They didn't say what baseball team. Maybe there isn't a baseball team.

[Billy Gill]

It's the Marlins and the Cardinals.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, the Mars. Okay. Well, yeah, that's when I covered the Astros, and they must have went down there. That's right.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah. Yeah, because the Yankees are in Tampa. Like, they all have, like.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah. I had a homeboy that worked for the Yankees. Man, he would be in Tampa Every. Every. He listens to this show. I don't. I don't want to say one of them weirdos.

[Billy Gill]

What?

[Joel Anderson]

He's a weirdo and that. Like, he don't want nobody to know nothing about. He don't post anything about himself online. He don't want people talking about him.

[Billy Gill]

Because, you know, he covers the Yankees, but no one knows.

[Joel Anderson]

No, he didn't cover the Yankees. He used to work for the Yankees.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, shout out to the weirdo.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, let's raise the roof for him.

[Joel Anderson]

You know who you are, too. That's the funny thing. He gonna know.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah. Last thing on the super bowl if we care to hit this. I did want to ask what college won Super Bowl 60. We got the graphic here. What's that you didn't get to take.

[Joel Anderson]

Do you want to say anything about Drake May? Man, we didn't even give you a chance. We first of all, Nobody finished. This is.

[Tate Frazier]

This is a Drake. This is a Drake May conversation. Because North Carolina had a North Carolina to North Carolina touchdown in the game, they might be in consideration for what college won Super Bowl 60. Mac, how's Drake May. Hey, they could be in the car. Who else had a college to college touchdown in the game?

[Van Lathan]

How can you.

[Tate Frazier]

There was only two touchdowns.

[Joel Anderson]

Come on.

[Tate Frazier]

I'm just saying. I mean, that's the only team I saw.

[Joel Anderson]

Also with Mac Hollis. But I mean, like, he, He. You embarrass yourself, bro. You can't.

[Tate Frazier]

Of course. Yeah, you can't.

[Joel Anderson]

You can't show up in the handle. Like to get up at least.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, you can't do that. I was off that.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. What the hell was it? What. What did he have going on? What the was that about?

[Tate Frazier]

He's always been a little bit out there. Like, I covered him in college. I was like, why do people do stuff like that?

[Joel Anderson]

He thought that was gonna pop. Like, he. I think he thought that was gonna make him a star or something.

[Van Lathan]

But my problem with something like that is if you do that, you gotta win.

[Joel Anderson]

That's what I'm saying. You gotta ball.

[Tate Frazier]

He did score a touchdown. I mean, at least he did something.

[Joel Anderson]

He did score the touchdown. One or two touchdowns.

[Tate Frazier]

They had one.

[Joel Anderson]

They had one, right?

[Tate Frazier]

Barely.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, which college? Which college? One.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, yeah. So players by college, Alabama had the most players. 7. LSU 5. Lane Kiffin quote, tweeted this and said just different. And then a lot of people responded with Will Campbell after that. Michigan 4, USC 4. Sam Darnold wins the first USC quarterback Super Bowl. That was nice to see. Auburn, Illinois, Minnesota, NC State, Ohio State, Texas, all with three. Kenneth Walker played for two schools, Wake Forest and Michigan State. So that is a lot of house divided there. People arguing over which school he claims seems to be Michigan State, but Wake Forest fans are upset. So, Joe, I'll go to you first. Which college won Super Bowl 60?

[Joel Anderson]

Well, I mean, I. First of all, I would say USC did, man.

[Tate Frazier]

I think so too.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, Donald. And then Uchena Nuasu, the. The guy that did the interception return for td. And then so, like in USC football played it perfect because, I mean, I think those are the most recent tweets on their Twitter account. Like, basically, you know, the most super bowl champions in college football. You know, that kind of stuff. You know, we have the USC pros and stuff like that. You know, like, they were just really good at branding. This is like this was some sort of special occasion for usc and Then look, man, and all this is happening in the same off season when they had the number one ranked recruiting class. You know, it's like, like they hired Gary Patterson's defensive quarterback. Like, I know you can't win an off season in college football. You got to go do it. Especially somebody like Lincoln Riley who has not really had the success people thought he was going to have. But like this has been a pretty good off season for them. And that was like one of those touchdowns. You're like, oh yeah, that's right. The USC players showed out.

[Tate Frazier]

Also when you see Miami get back, if you're usc, you're like, we can do this. You know what I mean? Like their fan base immediately is back in form so they can do the thing. So usc, I like that pick. Van, what about you?

[Van Lathan]

I'm gonna go with SC2. I mean we had a lot of players from LSU represented in the game. But I said this before. I think there's a couple of reasons why this happened. I think being a rookie is one injury is another one coming back too fast off injury. But Will just struggled so mightily in the playoffs and in this game. It legitimately him and the guard right next to him, the whole left side of that line, it was just impossible to win. It was impossible to win the game when they were going to get that many pressures in all different types of ways. They bull rush Will sometimes they went around Will sometimes like there was and you know, shout out to McDaniels who did nothing, nothing to absolutely nothing to address the fact that they couldn't keep their quarterback clean. Vrabel and McDaniel picked the right. I mean defensively, don't get me wrong, they had, they played a good game for most of the game, right? They, they were able to keep the Seahawks and Smith and Jaba in check. But you know, as far as dealing with the pressure, they just didn't even. They said fuck it. You know what I'm saying? Like my nailing the bluff them we ball like they didn't even. They didn't do anything. But. So I can't really say lsu. I'm going to go with SC because this is a milestone for sc. This is a big deal. And when you think of the quarterbacks that have come out of SC and how we associate SC with offense, with offensive firepower, with guys who can fling it and you know, twitchy talent on the outside and all of that, for this to be the crowning moment of an SC quarterback in the super bowl. It's a big deal for their program, if you ask me. And, you know, Sam Darnold kind of making do or making good on what a lot of people thought that he was going to be when he came out, which is a quarterback that you could win with.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah. Supposed to be that guy. And in the class with Josh Allen and the rest of these, you know, supposed superstars that were supposed to be. He's the first one to win a Super Bowl.

[Joel Anderson]

Also Jackson, I mean, you know, he was in the class too.

[Tate Frazier]

Well, I mean, Lamar Jackson, he got screwed in that draft. I mean, you know, it just like every single time it was like the Ravens had to pick at 25 and then they trade back in, get him at 32. That was ridiculous, especially if you watch him in college. But usc, I think, hang the banner, right?

[Joel Anderson]

This is.

[Tate Frazier]

They won the Super Bowl.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

Super Bowl 60. You did it.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, you know, I mean, look, man. You know, look, they. I mean, USC has not. It's been 20 years, man, since they've really been a national contender, bro. This is, you know, it's just, It's a nice. They need, as I'm saying, Lincoln Rod, there's just a lot of optimism and energy around the program. And like, you know, I think college football is better when USC is good. Like, there needs to be a really good, dominant west coast team. And sorry, Oregon, you don't count. The team has to be in California.

[Tate Frazier]

Especially after what we saw Indiana do. I feel like Oregon, we're have to put them on pause for a second. Carson Palmer still the greatest USC quarterback, or is Sam Darnold now the answer?

[Van Lathan]

Nah, it's Carson Palmer.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, I think so.

[Van Lathan]

He's done more right now. I mean, Darnold is on his way. He took a major step.

[Joel Anderson]

Wait, so we're include. We're including. Just, it's. It's just with like the kind of pro they ended up being. Are you just talking about.

[Tate Frazier]

I think college and pro put it all together because, man, I would still take Carson Palmer.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I was going to say Carson Palmer was a better quarterback, but Matt Leinert, man, like that era, usc. Yeah. Was.

[Tate Frazier]

It just feels like. I mean, Liner was great in college. I feel like his pro career kind of just like tanked sour. Like. Yeah, it made us. Our last impression was not good, you know, I mean, Sanchez maybe in the mix until, you know, he lost his mind. So, you know, he wasn't in the mix even then.

[Joel Anderson]

But it didn't help.

[Van Lathan]

He had some success as a pro.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, he. I mean, he was Part of championship game twice.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. He had some success as a pro. You got to give it up for him. Carson Palmer on the professional level has been the most successful SC quarterback, though.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, man, quarterback's difficult, bro. Can we think of any one college besides maybe Oklahoma and even then, that's like a quarterback machine that puts competent or dare I say elite guys into the league over and over and over again. You could look at it and you could say the Ohio State quarterbacks haven't had, like, a ton of success. The SC quarterbacks haven't had, like, a ton of success. Like, all of these powerhouses. The. There's. I don't know if there's one school that you can think. Oklahoma's had a lot of guys come out and be successful.

[Joel Anderson]

Oklahoma had successful.

[Van Lathan]

Right. If you got hurts, and then you got Kyler Murray, who's had some success as a pro, and then you got Baker Mayfield. Cal is a good one. Cal is a good one.

[Joel Anderson]

Bama. You know what I'm saying?

[Van Lathan]

Bama's not bad when you think about it.

[Tate Frazier]

Bama's like, they've changed the trajectory over the past, like, you know, 15 years.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. What would you say about Michigan, you think, did you just throw some Tom Brady and Brian Greasy and Chad Henney out there? Does that. Does that. Get it done?

[Tate Frazier]

That's a solid top three, but it's.

[Van Lathan]

Not bad, but you know what I mean?

[Tate Frazier]

But that's not the best.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

So.

[Van Lathan]

Because when you think about it, man, like, Tennessee has Peyton Manning, but then, like, who comes behind Peyton Manning to really make a splash as a pro? Like, you look at it, it's not. I don't know what schools are quarterback factories.

[Tate Frazier]

Ucla, Aikman.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

It's like every school kind of has, like, one guy to hang their head.

[Joel Anderson]

Was it Cade McNown who was Caden now? He used to be cutting it up out there. Who else?

[Van Lathan]

He had a. He had a couple of good years there. They were like. They were really good, weren't they? Did he got in trouble with parking passes? Handicap. Handicap passes or something like that? You remember that?

[Joel Anderson]

Is that right?

[Van Lathan]

Remember the U. The UCLA handicap Pass. Handicap.

[Tate Frazier]

I mean, parking tickets on campus is like. I got so many parking. Parking tickets. It's embarrassing. Yeah. Because there's nowhere to go. Then I got a moped my senior year, and then I was able to get around it, you know.

[Van Lathan]

Did you have the helmet on?

[Tate Frazier]

What do you mean? Yeah, helmet.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, you did?

[Van Lathan]

Okay, so. So you wore. Okay, so you had a moped.

[Joel Anderson]

I thought you would have been a little too fly for a helmet, man.

[Van Lathan]

A little bit. So you had a moped, you had a helmet. No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Tate Frazier]

I'm not talking like a little, like. Like a little mushroom top helmet.

[Van Lathan]

Let's just flush it out. You had a dirt back. You had a helmet helmet.

[Tate Frazier]

No, there was a guy at Carolina that. He bought like, 50 mopeds, and then he rented them out to, like, athletes and stuff. And then I was, like, trying to.

[Van Lathan]

Get this story cool. Like, I had a moped.

[Tate Frazier]

I was just like. I was like, this is a great way to do it.

[Van Lathan]

Me and Shan May was on mopeds together. You're trying to make it cool. What color was the helmet?

[Tate Frazier]

The helmet was. No, it was. No, it wasn't blue. It was just like. It was a dirt bike helmet. So it was like. I think it was blue.

[Joel Anderson]

We had, like, black and orange stripes. Some like that.

[Tate Frazier]

Because I feel like that's red.

[Joel Anderson]

I gotta find behavior, so.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, but when you find the picture of the moped, because I know you have it, find a picture of.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, I know you thought you would fly, though, man. You know what I'm saying? I know.

[Van Lathan]

T had those little. Those little gloves that cut off right there. That cut off right at the knuckle.

[Tate Frazier]

I had, like a mongoose helmet. You know what I mean? Like, like a tape.

[Van Lathan]

You take that. Yeah, the helmet, the gloves, the whole nine. Girl, call up. I'll be there in seven minutes.

[Tate Frazier]

No, you can get everywhere.

[Joel Anderson]

Did you have a basket on it?

[Van Lathan]

No. What?

[Tate Frazier]

Okay, you guys are thinking. I think you guys are not thinking of mopeds.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, so in 1999, a major scandal erupted at UCLA when 19 and former. That's right. Right there. Send that picture to Freez.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, let me see it.

[Van Lathan]

19. Send that picture to Freez. So we could put that up on the thing. 19 current and former players, including notable players like Cayman now and Skip Hicks, were found to be using forged, stolen, or illegally obtained disabled parking placards to park free on campus. That was a deal. They fabricated injuries and knee injuries so they could do this. Y' all remember this? Y' all remember K. McNow being.

[Tate Frazier]

I don't remember this.

[Joel Anderson]

Who else is in there? Skip Picks. Who else?

[Van Lathan]

Yes, we had Skip Hicks caving down. Those were like. Yeah, those were, like, the notable ones. But that was the UCLA parking scandal that went on back in the day. It was a big deal.

[Tate Frazier]

It's a lot of parking problems on campus for everybody. So I'm. Well My senior year, I mean, I probably lost. I mean, I don't even know. I mean, $60 a ticket at intramural games, class, everything. I mean, I. I.

[Joel Anderson]

You just refused to park where you were supposed to park.

[Tate Frazier]

There's nowhere to park, Joel. You just had to.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, like, if you're mad at me, man, I'm sorry.

[Van Lathan]

Hold on for a second, okay? My God, bro. Like, just, please, can we just see the picture of you on the moped? So then here it is right here. Y' all have to see this. Okay? So take the girl out of it. By the way, Tate, not bad.

[Joel Anderson]

Look how happy Tate is.

[Van Lathan]

Look at Tate's smile on the real tape. Not bad. She does have a Nazi helmet on. But we go look past that. Look at this helmet.

[Tate Frazier]

That's the helmet that I thought you guys were saying I was wearing.

[Van Lathan]

No, all the helmets that you could have. I want y' all to go back and think about World War II and the helmets that they were wearing, the combat helmets that they were made. I don't know what's going on. That could be the essence.

[Joel Anderson]

Where do you even get that helmet?

[Tate Frazier]

That came. That's what came with the moped. And then I had a buddy who had a dirt bike, and then he was like, I'll give you my old helmet moment.

[Van Lathan]

I was like, so t. This doesn't. This is not a moped.

[Tate Frazier]

That's a moped.

[Joel Anderson]

This is not what I would think of when you said moped.

[Van Lathan]

This is not a moped.

[Tate Frazier]

That's what I was saying. I was like, you guys aren't hearing me. You know what I mean?

[Van Lathan]

Hey, I'm gonna be real with you.

[Joel Anderson]

Billy said she inherited that.

[Van Lathan]

You gotta put the picture up. Take. This is not a moped. We know what a moped is. A moped has the thing up. It's like the. The U in the middle.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

You know we know what a moped is, right? This is not moped. Tate, you thought you was in Sons of Anarchy in this. This is why. This is why. This is why you got this helmet, the dirt bike helmet that you got. This is a little bit of an edgy little bike that you was riding around.

[Joel Anderson]

It's a real piece of equipment. You know what I'm saying?

[Van Lathan]

You got.

[Tate Frazier]

I mean, that can fly. I could go, like, 45.

[Joel Anderson]

I believe it. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

So this was your transportation around campus.

[Tate Frazier]

My senior year in college.

[Joel Anderson]

It was easier to park with this than a car.

[Tate Frazier]

I could put. You could park at the bike. Bike rack. So, like, I could Pull up right to the front of the building and park at the bike racks.

[Van Lathan]

And then you put it. You put a chain on that or. No, no chain.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah. Locked it in.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I got locked it in because they'll jack your. This shit's too fly for that.

[Joel Anderson]

You really don't have a basket on this hoe, man. That's crazy.

[Tate Frazier]

It's on the back. It's on the back.

[Van Lathan]

Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

So would you.

[Van Lathan]

So she's got. In the picture, she's got her backpack on. Okay. If she wasn't on the back of the moped, would you. You would wear your backpack on it? You wouldn't, like, hang it from anywhere?

[Tate Frazier]

I think I was taking. I think I was just dropping her off at class. Like, she needed a ride to class, so I came to pick her up.

[Van Lathan]

Dropping something off. All right.

[Tate Frazier]

That's how much. The moped was a powerful thing, though, because then, like, people would be like, can you give me a ride to class? You know what I mean? Then you just go pick them up.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. All right. You need a ride? I got you.

[Van Lathan]

I got you. Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

Okay. For certain demographics, I give him a ride.

[Van Lathan]

The moped picture is both way better and also exactly what I thought it was going to be.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. It's just so cool.

[Van Lathan]

It's like.

[Joel Anderson]

It is.

[Van Lathan]

I'm not gonna lie. This is the thing about Tate, man. Tate got the cold white boy swag. Tate you almost wanna. Tate makes it work. So, you know, Tate got two Christmas trees. They got.

[Tate Frazier]

Literally.

[Van Lathan]

They got North Carolina Santas. And you want to be able to kind of like. But you can't. Like, Tate is too comfortable. This picture right here, for a lot of other people will look crazy, but I'm looking at this, I'm like, this is probably somebody that people wanted to with on campus.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I can just look at this picture and tell, Tate has had a good life, man.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. You know how much was the moped?

[Tate Frazier]

The moped was only like 600 a semester, so like 1200 for the year.

[Joel Anderson]

You might. You might have to let Riley be in this being your obituary, dog. When they're putting together someday because they're gonna have a collection of pictures on the back. Because y'.

[Van Lathan]

All.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm sure y' all be able to afford a nice. A nice one. That picture has to go in there now if you got. If she has to take her out. But it just shows that tape.

[Billy Gill]

What are you talking about?

[Van Lathan]

What the are you talking about? You.

[Joel Anderson]

One day, you're gonna want to be able to say to your kids, man. Dad used to have some fun, man. Look. Look at this. That's what you gonna say. You are gonna say it. And it can't be their mom, you know, just be like some other random.

[Van Lathan]

What are we talking?

[Billy Gill]

In Joel's defense, tape found this picture real quick.

[Joel Anderson]

It. I mean, I was joined to Facebook.

[Tate Frazier]

You know what I mean? I remember this was like a. A profile picture at one point.

[Van Lathan]

You know what I mean? This take crazy.

[Joel Anderson]

You was.

[Van Lathan]

You was. You was. Tate, be real. You was proud of the moped.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, I like the moped.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah. He's. He's hyping it up right now.

[Tate Frazier]

I had a. Yeah, I had a great time.

[Van Lathan]

Y' all gotta watch the show so you can see the picture of the moped. I'm not bullshitting with you. This is one of the most American pictures I've ever seen before. Besides the Nazi helmet.

[Joel Anderson]

Western civilization right there. Those enthusiasts, they'll be like, this. This is what I'm about.

[Van Lathan]

Talking.

[Joel Anderson]

Talking about right there. They would see that, and they'd be like, things are going to be all right, fellas.

[Billy Gill]

Did you have. Did you have the girlfriend pre moped?

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Billy Gill]

And how long after you got rid of them all is she out of the picture?

[Tate Frazier]

We. We did the whole thing, came to la. We broke up in la. We broke up, like, five years after this.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, my God. So this is recent.

[Van Lathan]

This is. This is no story.

[Billy Gill]

Damn.

[Tate Frazier]

No.

[Billy Gill]

No one that got away, maybe.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

No, I. I, like, it was like, first love, college love, then of single great times, and then I found real love. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

No, man. Yeah, bro. I see you, dog on that right there.

[Van Lathan]

So y' all moved out to LA together, and then which person went, hey, man, it's too much. Too much action out here for us to be together.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah. Who cheated?

[Van Lathan]

Was it you that went, it's too much going on? Or was it her? Did she get with somebody that was on Arrow or something like that?

[Tate Frazier]

Well, we did long distance for two years, and then, you know, as we were doing long distance, like, I was in la, and I, you know, was like. I was like, we. We gotta. I was like, I'm.

[Billy Gill]

You know, there's some mopeds out here, too.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, I got. Gotta give more rides.

[Van Lathan]

That's. I'm say we can move on. That's not a moped.

[Joel Anderson]

It's a mini.

[Van Lathan]

I don't know what that little. That's like a go kart.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm calling that a mini Bike.

[Van Lathan]

Mini bike. Mini bike. That's a mini bike.

[Joel Anderson]

That's not a mop. Mini bike.

[Van Lathan]

That's not a moped. That's not. That's not a moped. That's a mini bike. And Tate, Sons of. Sons of Anarchy, UNC chapter.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man, I. Look, bro, I'm happy for you, man. That's it. That's. That's exactly what I would have thought Tate's college experience would be like, man. Just that right there.

[Van Lathan]

I'm tight. There's nothing.

[Tate Frazier]

I appreciate it, guys. It sounds. It looks better than it sounds, I guess, is what I would say. Last thing I would get to football related. Overreaction of the week. Kirk. Herb street said that, talking about the future of college football, we need to break away. He said. He said that the Power 4 conferences need to break away form their own situation. This has obviously been a take that has been pitched around. He said this at Radio Row at the super bowl, which is why, you know, I'm bringing it up here. We're keeping it super bowl centric. So do you believe that Kirk Herbstreet is right? Van, when you hear this, and. Or is this just the take? You know what I mean? He's just throwing it out to the wild.

[Van Lathan]

I want to hear more intellectualism behind it.

[Tate Frazier]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

I think a lot of people are talking about what college football should do and how college football should address and really college sports overall, the litany of structural issues that seem to be making themselves playing with how fast the sport is changing, like how you catch up, how you continue to empower the athlete, but also at the same time, kind of maintain the integrity of the sport, if that's possible, or just make the sport as competitively balanced amongst, you know, the teams and places that are going to have a say in that as possible. But I want to hear, like, actual stuff. This is what needs to happen. This is the money that's going to be surrounding it. This is how you're going to control teams, include teams and control powerful programs. This is how you're going to institute a system of checks and balances that don't allow for these huge power imbalances that exist in the sport right now. And then really somebody to make the case about why this is all necessary. Because I think there's, you know, Joel is one of them. I'm not trying to be funny. I'm just being for real that don't think that there's anything wrong with what's going on right now. Thinks that this is the natural evolution of the game. So if there needs to be change and they're going to be conversations, it's not going to come in hot takes. It's going to come in serious discussion about, like, what's wrong, how you fix it and what the future of the sport is.

[Tate Frazier]

I like that answer. Joel, you agree? You're nodding your head.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah, I definitely agree with Van on this. It would be nice to describe the world that you'd like to see. Right? Like, it's easy to campaign against what you don't like. What is. You know, what many people, millions of fans and other people have pointed out are dynamics about the game that they don't appreciate. Okay, tell us the world that you would like to exist in college football and let's see if it's it. If it's possible. Right. Also, it's just. I mean, this is sort of far field, but I have to say it. It's just what I hear. Kirk, Herb street and people talk like this. I just kind of know how, like, I guess this is what segregation it sound like. I don't know. It's just there's no way. There's no way, no way Appalachian State could ever beat a Michigan in a fair and square football games up. So we have got. I am done supporting that. Take a class. You know what I'm saying? I mean, they all think they. John Golk, you know what I'm saying? I just. It's just they don't want to.

[Van Lathan]

They don't.

[Joel Anderson]

They don't want to play the games. And so in that way, I'm like, fine, fuck it. Please, can we. So you all will shut up. Let's break all the teams up. Like people who compete according to the level of resources they have. I don't want to hear. I'm so sick of this complaint.

[Van Lathan]

This is just.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm just tired of this. And the top four pro, the top four conferences and the only the top 30 teams and those among those four should be a play in one league that's similar to the NFL. And everybody else should be forced to fend for themselves and get their puny little TV contracts. It's just like, all right, bro, great. Shut the up. Let's do it. Like, let's break up, please, and create.

[Van Lathan]

The world you want.

[Joel Anderson]

Because I'm just tired of it.

[Tate Frazier]

Do you're tired of the veiled threat?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. You're tired of beating around the bush with it? What would you be. Have you had any thoughts? Do we have any thoughts on the podcast? You know, we should Come. We should come back with thoughts about what we would do. Like, yeah, there you go. Let's start that conversation. I don't think it started here. I think a lot of people have had great ideas. But let's continue that conversation here on our podcast and talk about what we would do to fix college sports or fix college football. Because I'm right now, I, I do feel like there's a certain Internet currency and just complaining over and over and again and coming with the high takes, but there doesn't seem to be as much currency with actual movement on what you do to address some of the issues in the sport.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Now I will say that in that. That is Josh Pate's thing, is the commissioner of football. I've heard him. He has some ideas for housing. I don't agree with all of them, but I agree with some of them. But I'm like, at least he's trying to, you know, I just, I'm just so tired of having to give money to the lowlights like Southern Mississippi and Utah. They should have to earn their own keep. We've helped. We've carried them for far too long. It is their time. Like, I just like, yeah, I'm like, man, I totally get how like we have segregation. Whenever you hear people talk like that, it just makes a lot of sense.

[Van Lathan]

So, Joel, do you feel like it's completely consistent that you don't believe in. I'm asking. Actually, let me not formulate the question in a confrontational way. You believe in a dog eat dog world as it relates to the players. Meaning a 27 year old man dunking on a 17 year old. You have no problem with that? Just wait a second. You have no issue with that? Which is an interesting. I really do think that that's an interesting take. But when it comes to the programs, it seems like you're a little bit more egalitarian in the way that you think things should, should play out.

[Joel Anderson]

No, I mean, I just want to know what, what I should be excited about and what I should be rooting for. Like if TCU is going to be in this breakaway top four, top four conference league, great. If they're not going to be and they're going to compete with the likes of smu, Baylor, you know, Wake Forest, North Dakota State, then let's just do that. But I'm just, I guess I'm just kind of tired of the steady build which has also created the ridiculous conferences we see. Right. Because like they're trying. They're already positioning for this Future, right? Like, you can see it happening by breaking away and creating, you know, like, making the poor Pac12 what it is today, right? So they're already trying to create that future, and I just want it to happen already.

[Tate Frazier]

Like, yeah, it's just like, you don't need an incremental. Like, you're just saying, like, we're kind of like, slowly going to the edge of the cliff. You're just like, let's just get off of it and figure it out.

[Joel Anderson]

Come up with somebody like, bro, like, pay the players. Like, let's just, like, make them employees. Fight for them to be employees. Create a CPA with them, and let's do it that way. Like, let's just stop the incremental shit. Let's just do what we know that is going to be inevitable anyway and create a new.

[Tate Frazier]

I mean, the ncaa, maybe that's not the company or whatever that is in charge of that new model. You know what I mean? Maybe there's a new organization that's created that is in charge of all this sort of stuff, whether it's, you know, whatever name you want to call it. So that's the other part of it. A couple quick hitters and then Van. If you got a big van on campus, we can turn to you to get some thoughts. NCAA is denied Ole Miss QB Trinidad Chambliss Waiver for appeal for six season of eligibility. Pretty big deal, right? That's kind of groundbreaking that. This did not. I thought this would happen.

[Van Lathan]

I thought for sure he would win. They, they. These fights are rarely lost. Why. Why do you guys think that they decide to put their foot down here?

[Joel Anderson]

That's a great question. I don't know. I mean, I wonder.

[Tate Frazier]

Because it's bad for business.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, it's terrible.

[Tate Frazier]

It could.

[Joel Anderson]

It could only help, right? But I think they really. They really were caught up on the documentation around the reason he couldn't play one of those years at Ferris State. Like, the medical reason. Apparently 97 pages wasn't enough. Which, I mean, I will say 97 pages sounds like a lot, but when you're dealing with, like, medical forms or whatever, it could go on forever and ever. So maybe that actually is not a lot of information. But, yeah, I'm surprised that they were willing to take a stand there because it's only good for college football. Football, as you all will acknowledge, having older, better players in your game can't hurt.

[Van Lathan]

It depends on the way you look at it. Nah, actually, I was rooting for him to get another year.

[Tate Frazier]

Me, too.

[Van Lathan]

I Think his story is so interesting coming from Ferris State. Him having the one year is him being able to do what he did. I thought that he. He had played his way into the conversation of being able to have a more. A lengthier career at the top level of college football in the sec. And I wanted to see what really. I was very curious at what Ole Miss would look like with him back as the qb. I think they're probably going to be able to find somebody to Deuce Knight, but I'm saying. But if Deuce Knight is in fact the starter, they're going to be able to find that type of production. Not similar to Chambers, but they'll be able to find somebody to come in there and make plays for him. But he, in the playoff just looked. He looked like one of the best five quarterbacks in the country. He looked like a guy who could really, really, really be a big player next year in college football and also in the draft. So I wonder where it goes now, though. I wonder what happens now. I wonder if he's done enough and put enough on tape after he's evaluated that he can kind of play himself up into, you know, the top of the draft.

[Joel Anderson]

He was number three on my big board. Right. So, you know, he does have that. I mean, but, I mean, that's the other thing that costed this man a lot of money, bro. Like, he could make. Seriously, he could make $6 million this year potentially, plus whatever, you know, endorsement types are. It just. I mean, I. I hope they can reconsider. I doubt that this case is over, but I. I did hear Todd McChesney.

[Van Lathan]

Where else would he go? Like, what. What. What would be the other. What would be the recourse that they would have appeal?

[Joel Anderson]

Appeal court? Yeah, appeal.

[Van Lathan]

I thought this was the appeal.

[Joel Anderson]

The impression I got from whoever, One of the followers, one of the people that represents him, was that there was. They were pursuing another avenue, that this isn't necessarily a settled matter, but, I mean, it doesn't look good. I will say that. And that's why I heard Todd McShay saying. It's just unfortunate because if he's going to be an NFL prospect, he needs to be working on that right now. Right.

[Van Lathan]

Like, you're just losing time.

[Joel Anderson]

He's losing time right now in the most important part of the year. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Before we get off this, actually, my big van on campus.

[Tate Frazier]

There we go.

[Van Lathan]

Is I want to have a conversation with Tate. I'm serious, guys. Tate is college basketball possibly squandering with all of the Chaos going on in the sport right now. One the of of the best freshman classes that we've seen in a long time is all of the talk around the off the court stuff surrounding college basketball, even the fact that Darren Peterson, the conversation is now about how sporadically he plays. Is college basketball fumbling a really golden opportunity with all of the talent, all of the diverse dynamic people that they have right now playing. Is this, is this a situation where the players are a little bit ahead of the NCAA or the NCAA is a little bit behind the eight ball here? It seems like I'm hearing about everything other than how great Elijah Arenas is or how great Boozer is, how great Peterson is, how great what's the boy from BYU and the Bancer like, how great all of these different players are. Like there's not a lot of talk about them. There's a lot of talk about everything else that's structurally wrong with the sport.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, I think the college basketball media is always fumbling. I think that's part of their problem in general as a, as a group. I think that, you know, it's either super in depth analytics where they know the eighth man of the St. Louis team and they don't let you enjoy the conversation, or it's people that just want to talk about the bigger story off the court which Betty Ako the NCAA finally just won a case, right against the T get a TRO that was done to get him out of the G League into college basketball. Now the NCAA finally wins a case. That's a big deal because precedent has been set that that's not going to be allowed. James Naji who was the big story going to Baylor, he's horrible. I mean Baylor's having a worst season.

[Van Lathan]

Horrible.

[Tate Frazier]

He is. I can't believe he was the 31st pick. It just, that's embarrassing. Goes to show you the evaluations at the NBA level, not so high level. So the fact that he went where he went and he's playing at Baylor and can barely contribute, I mean that's, you know, not good for anybody that he's a story. But you're right. I mean how are we not talking about the fact that Kansas with six players just beat an undefeated Arizon Arizona team who has two future lottery picks and co opied and Braden Buries and Flori Badunga is one of the great stories from Kokomo Indiana and has an incredible block late in that game. And then North Carolina Duke ending on a buzzer beater. They let for 410 of a second on that last shot from Seth Trimble. An incredible story. So I just feel like, honestly, like the media around college basketball is either too deep in the weeds or like in the wrong weeds. And I think the basketball ends up being secondary. Same with the NBA. Honestly, like, for whatever reason, like, we talk less about the game than ever. And I love basketball. I love the sport itself and the game itself. And I feel like the more that we talk about the game, which is why I love what Peacock has been doing, NBC and Prime with the NBA. I think they've done a really good job of like, showing you this Iverson cut and showing you this play that they ran that baited them into this. You know what I mean? It's like when it gets back to the basketball, I'm happy. And college basketball needs to get back to the basketball because if you look at the viewership, look at the ratings, like they outrate NBA all the. All day, every day. That's all they do is outrate the NBA.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

That's all college basketball does. Oh, that's all like, where's that coverage? You know, where's Darren Rebelle to tweet that? You know what I mean? Like, that's, that's more of what it means.

[Joel Anderson]

You can watch Creighton any night. This is, this is a long running gag with me, but I mean, you can watch Creighton any night on FS1, I promise you. Yeah, tonight, 7 o', clock, Creighton's playing somebody.

[Tate Frazier]

They're playing Villanova or they're playing. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

You know.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, yeah, man.

[Joel Anderson]

Every time I. My turn on, Creighton is playing.

[Tate Frazier]

So I, I think it's a coverage problem. And I also feel like, you know, the, the way that you're at. Your eyes are being led to different places is, is the problem. But the player that freshman class, like you mentioned, the names. I mean, my goodness, like, Mikel Brown Jr. Just had 45 points last night for Louisville. Damn, he's a beast. I mean, you just keep going down the list of these guys. It's like Corey at Stanford.

[Joel Anderson]

How good compared to. Yeah, like, I mean, we don't have to go all the way back to Jordan, but like, like post Jerry Stackhouse, like, where does he rank?

[Tate Frazier]

I mean, he's, he's so raw. But then he does these things that are like, I mean, they're like flashpoints. I mean, he's the best freshman I've seen since Kobe White, but I think he's better than Kobe. Yeah. And that's saying a lot because Kobe's incredible. And then, I mean, he's better than Harrison Barnes was, you know, and Harrison was the number one player in the class and was supposed to be. He's better than James Michael McAdoo, my guy, who was the number one player in his class.

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Tate Frazier]

I mean, so. So, you know, you start putting him up against some of these other guys, it's. It's hard to not really fall in love with him. I mean, he kind of reminds me more of, like, in the group of. I don't want to say his name, but, like, Rashad McCants, his freshman year was incredible.

[Van Lathan]

Why don't you want to say his name?

[Tate Frazier]

Because Rashad, just, like, he takes everything to, you know, he's like, I'm in the same class as Michael Jordan. You're like, rashad, a little too far, but I see what you got going on.

[Van Lathan]

Basketball player, though.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah. I mean, he's my favorite player on the 05 team until he lost his mind. I love Rashad McCann. He threw up the rock all the time. I mean, great times. Vince Carter, Antoine Jameson. I mean, he's like, in. He's in that. I mean, I think he's, like, in the Vince Carter conversation, like, wondering if you were gonna.

[Joel Anderson]

You gonna use that kind of name. Okay, that's.

[Tate Frazier]

That's where I feel like he is. And what he did against Duke was incredible.

[Joel Anderson]

So, yeah, he saved Hubie's job, man. Don't you think? He's like. Because if. If it wasn't for him, if. If he hadn't hit, like, this is. Hubie may be gone already.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, it would be over. But. But now he'll be fine. And they're going to get. Mingo is one of the best players in the class for next year. But, yeah, Caleb is also a clutch guy. He's a rich Paul guy. So, like, Bill's already mentioning his name on podcasts and stuff, and I'm like, what are you.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, what are you saying?

[Tate Frazier]

Oh, I see the clutch. I need. I need a propaganda.

[Joel Anderson]

Rich does work for Spotify, man.

[Tate Frazier]

Well, that's what I'm saying. I need. I need the propaganda. I'm like, look, if we're gonna do propaganda. Propaganda for all these Duke guys, like, it's about time Carolina gets in the game.

[Joel Anderson]

So I didn't. I didn't even see the Duke. I didn't even see that I got the Duke.

[Van Lathan]

Tate, you ready for it, bro? You don't give a. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

You don't like. I mean, that Duke. That Duke unc is real, man.

[Tate Frazier]

Look, I respect the propaganda.

[Joel Anderson]

Get it in blood.

[Tate Frazier]

I need it. I needed it for Caleb.

[Joel Anderson]

He deserves so.

[Van Lathan]

But Unc, they haven't had good basketball players lately. That's facts.

[Tate Frazier]

I mean, Caleb Love looks pretty good.

[Joel Anderson]

Who was the dude who was, like, 23 years old, and, I mean, I feel like he averaged, like, 11 rebounds for three years. Who is that guy? He's in the G League right now.

[Tate Frazier]

Armando Baker.

[Joel Anderson]

Armando Baker? Yeah, man. I mean, what do you. I mean, he was good.

[Tate Frazier]

Nah, I mean, those guys, like, they kind of. I mean, like, they're good players, but, I mean, okay, they were kind of. They were kind of holding back. Back the. The four, you know what I'm saying? Like, it was. It was the same thing. What about that Love, Caleb Love. I mean, them letting Caleb Love go instead of some of the other people that were on that team was egregious, and I was very upset about that.

[Joel Anderson]

Seventh woods, man.

[Van Lathan]

Seventh Woods.

[Tate Frazier]

That's my guy. Hey. National champion, by the way. 7th Woods. I don't ever hear people say that.

[Joel Anderson]

That. I mean, man. That his sophomore high school basketball highlight to tape or something, man.

[Tate Frazier]

You got high school.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man.

[Van Lathan]

I will say this. Like, I will say this. This is what I'll say.

[Joel Anderson]

Uhhuh.

[Van Lathan]

The reality of the situation is this, is that if we look at the last X amount of years, Tate will understand this. Like, Duke is. Duke is, like, far ahead of North Carolina, though, right?

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, man.

[Tate Frazier]

In what?

[Van Lathan]

And just like. Wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, first of all, man, you really hurting Tate, man.

[Van Lathan]

To be honest with you. Alabama's far ahead of lsu. Said it. Boom. Far ahead. Far ahead of lsu.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, that's evident, right?

[Van Lathan]

Of course. So Duke, though, is far ahead of North Carolina in terms of. Look at. They turn serious guys. Duke is far ahead of North Carolina in terms of, like, relevance and, like, great players.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah. Propaganda.

[Van Lathan]

Is that true?

[Joel Anderson]

No, I don't.

[Tate Frazier]

They made the Final Four last year, so I'll give them credit for that. But, like. Like, what of those two teams? Who's the last one to win a national championship between Duke and Carolina?

[Joel Anderson]

Wow.

[Van Lathan]

It was North Carolina, right?

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, duh. When's the last. Who's the last team to go to the national championship game?

[Joel Anderson]

He hitting you with motorbike tape? That was motorbike.

[Tate Frazier]

Who's the last one?

[Van Lathan]

That's what the. I'm talking Talk your look. I'm asking you.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I mean, BR's right, man. They did just win the A. ACC football champion, right now.

[Tate Frazier]

That's true. Shout out I like Duke football. Shout out to them.

[Joel Anderson]

What do you think about Boozer's kid, man?

[Tate Frazier]

I think he's great. He's also, like, the nicest kid I've ever met. I'm a big fan of Cam Boozer. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Do you.

[Tate Frazier]

Cam and Caleb I both like.

[Van Lathan]

So do you think that I love.

[Tate Frazier]

Con Can Nipple, too? I mean, I'll be fair about the ones I do like. I'll just point out the.

[Joel Anderson]

The.

[Tate Frazier]

You know, everyone's okay.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, what do you think? What do you. Is Zion, or do you. Did you love.

[Tate Frazier]

I mean, I love Zion.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Tate Frazier]

I still would. I mean, during all the trade stuff, I was like, ken Zion, go to the Warriors. You know, like, can we trade Draymond for Zion? That would have been great.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, you're not. You're not a.

[Joel Anderson]

You're not a Hornets fan.

[Tate Frazier]

I'm a huge Hornets fan.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. Okay, we're up.

[Tate Frazier]

Conquer nipple. I just.

[Joel Anderson]

That's what I'm saying, man. Also, man. Boy, they put Kobe White. They laid hands last night, man. Miles Bridges jumped out there, and I'm not gonna.

[Tate Frazier]

I'm not gonna. I don't want them to come after me, but, like, the Pistons are kind of fake tough guys, you know what I mean? So, like, they. They really tr. Get dirty last night. And Diabate answered the bell. And then Miles Bridges, I mean, he was really about it, too. He just started throwing punches out of nowhere. I was like, man, this is a. I like the fight from the Hornets. They're fun.

[Joel Anderson]

They're good. Yeah. They're not a joke. You know what I'm saying? They're a real serious. They're real serious. Moped tape. I mean, yeah, man. I mean, it's just funny how, like, in basketball, you can't go the way Internet culture is today. You can go from, you know, with Diabate and Jalen Durant are getting into a fight to today. I saw all these pictures of Beef Stew and his wife on the Internet. Like, that kind of COVID me. It's just funny how the Internet works, man, because it's like, damn. I mean, if. If he had said his ass. If Isaiah Stewart had said his ass on the bench, people wouldn't be talking about his wife on the Internet today.

[Tate Frazier]

I mean, but he's the number one candidate to throw hands in the NBA.

[Joel Anderson]

He's always ready to go, man. I give him that workout.

[Tate Frazier]

He was, like, the nicest guy. I was like, man, Isaiah Stewart's so nice. Like, I. I really root for him. But, yeah, he'll throw Hands.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Nothing to say.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, hold on real quick. I just.

[Tate Frazier]

No thoughts on it, man.

[Joel Anderson]

No thoughts on it, man. Did y' all peep? Van, you're a very generous teammate, man. You know what I'm saying? You're giving us like, you know, you'll just. He had you have a whole segment to yourself and you just decided to dish it off the tape there.

[Tate Frazier]

I know you did. That was an assist.

[Joel Anderson]

I saw that. You're real. You're a real good teammate.

[Van Lathan]

I really was interested in knowing cuz I think, I actually think is. I think that there's this class, I hear people talking about this class and they're talking about this class as it relates to Cooper flag and all of that like that. Nah, man, this class is a. Is a special class and it just shows me that there's a little bit of. There's a little bit of dysfunction going on with the college football media, that there's actually excitement behind these players. Players who have differing styles, players who are dynamic in one on ones. Some players like Boozer who are like just breathtaking all around players. You know what I mean?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

And there's like not a way to. There's like fucking Tyler Hansborough got more shine. There's not a way to like, it's like make.

[Tate Frazier]

Boozer actually plays like hands, bro.

[Van Lathan]

Funny.

[Joel Anderson]

A little bit.

[Tate Frazier]

You know, A little bit.

[Van Lathan]

And there's not a way for them to kind of build a narrative around the talent that they have right now. It's kind of, it's kind of interesting right now.

[Joel Anderson]

Maybe people are going to turn around now, you know, now that football's over. Maybe, you know, they got, we got all of February going into March. Like maybe people will finally tune in now that especially that the, you know, conference titles up for grabs and everything.

[Tate Frazier]

You know, I mean, it's a top down problem though. Like the NBA hates college basketball. I mean, ask any NBA writer what they think about college basketball. In fact, ask Howard Beck, because I did. He was like, I hate college basketball, basketball. I mean like they, they hate college basketball.

[Joel Anderson]

So like, you don't like that?

[Tate Frazier]

You, you. Yeah, you like it actually pisses me off. But you know, it's one of those things like, I mean, I don't understand it because like basketball is basketball to me. But like, you know, well, I mean.

[Joel Anderson]

You gotta admit, I mean, come on, Tate. I mean, be real. I mean, you know that the quality of the game wasn't really up to par the thing.

[Tate Frazier]

But like, do I, do I want them to make every Open shot. Like, no. I like the humanity of college basketball. I also love when I see guys get better. Like, I watch Caleb Wilson in November and watch him now. It's like I already see the things clicking in his mind and getting better. I don't know. I. I find that fascinating, I guess.

[Joel Anderson]

Like, you know, I don't have a lot of free time, so I want to see good basketball. Like, I don't want. I don't. I don't have time to watch you miss open jumpers and not be able to finish around.

[Tate Frazier]

There's definitely levels.

[Joel Anderson]

That's the big part. That's the. That's the part about college basketball that's most frustrating to me. And I. Look, I. I could. I've never been able to jump like that. I mean, I was. I had hops, but I couldn't jump like that.

[Van Lathan]

That.

[Joel Anderson]

And it's like, what?

[Van Lathan]

But you.

[Tate Frazier]

You know, I'm having advanced facial expressions.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, but you just don't want. You just don't want people to, like, miss under the basket like that. That was the thing. I always found Flint. I was like, oh, man, just punch that. You know what I'm saying? But it's just in. In basketball, I feel like that's the thing in college basketball that I'm. I'm missing the most compared to pro ball. It's like, oh, yeah, the explosiveness, all that stuff.

[Tate Frazier]

There's so many good players. You just.

[Joel Anderson]

On Armando Baccott, one of the college legends, you know, played in college for like, six years and made a lot of money. Nil. Whatever.

[Tate Frazier]

I'm just talking. There's a different standard. I mean, yes, he's a good player, yada. It's like Garrison Brooks, yes, he's a good player, but, like, by Carolina standards.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, Armando Bacon was All American last year, though, wasn't he, a couple years ago? I mean, bro, that's what I'm talking about. You know what I'm saying?

[Tate Frazier]

I mean, I said the difference in.

[Joel Anderson]

College basketball, pro basketball. Armando Baycott is one. It was one. I'm sorry. I don't know why I'm. I mean, I'm not on Armando Bay Cott. But I'm just.

[Tate Frazier]

But I mean, look at, like, a Zach Eady, right? Everybody was like, this guy can't play in the NBA now. He's one of the franchise pieces for the Memphis Grizzlies.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, let me see some Zach Eady real quick. What is that?

[Van Lathan]

He's a valuable basketball player. You think he's a franchise piece for The Grizzlies.

[Tate Frazier]

That's what they said. 14 and 11 for me. Cedric Coward. That's my guy. I love Cedric Coward. I'm like that.

[Van Lathan]

That's.

[Tate Frazier]

I watched him at Wazoo. I'm like, this is my favorite player and somehow ends up being a lottery pick, you know? So interesting. A lot of good players in college basketball.

[Van Lathan]

I say so.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, they're a lot better now. They. I mean, they. They should. They should work. They should work to continue to add more good basketball players, man. 7th woods is playing somewhere overseas right now, bro.

[Tate Frazier]

Where is he? Korea league.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, man. Damn. Ecuador.

[Tate Frazier]

Oh, wow.

[Van Lathan]

Good for him.

[Joel Anderson]

I didn't know Ecuador had a professor. I could have guessed, I guess.

[Tate Frazier]

But a lot of those leagues, like, they can only have one or two Americans on the team. So it actually like to make a team and get paid is actually impressive.

[Van Lathan]

Playing basketball still, as long as he's still dribbling the ball, he has a chance to go wherever he wants to go.

[Joel Anderson]

Play by. Yeah, that's great, man. Play. I mean, dog, just to get paid to play basketball for as long as you can do it. Cuz you had the rest of your life to sit at the desk, you know what I mean?

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And you got the network, you know, to. To reach back on, you know, what.

[Joel Anderson]

If I want to live in Ecuador now, right?

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, maybe.

[Joel Anderson]

So what if I don't want to come back to the States? So. Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, it's good. Look, anything else? Any parting shots? Van? Anything else before we get out of here?

[Van Lathan]

Hell nah, man. Shout out. Raise the roof.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, let's raise the roof. It's the off season, see. Off season. Joel, anything else before we get out of here? Any thoughts?

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. I just want to make sure I'm going to be a good teammate. Is. Is Billy. Is Billy going to come out? Out? Does he have something to say? Did you finish your super bowl story?

[Billy Gill]

What was the story?

[Joel Anderson]

You were just there. Oh, that's right. You were gonna go get dinner or whatever with.

[Tate Frazier]

He wants to get back to the text.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I wouldn't even go in there. But I was like. They asked you about. Hey, man. So you were there when the. The Octavia Spencer went down, huh? Like when that was all falling apart?

[Tate Frazier]

Oh, yeah, I was there.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

We didn't even talk about Tom Segura. We just knew we walked away from that. We were like, bro, we ain't doing that again. We ain't getting up on Friday morning to. To have that.

[Tate Frazier]

Did you feel bad for us, Billy? As you Watched us squirm.

[Billy Gill]

You know I did.

[Joel Anderson]

They're uncomfortable.

[Billy Gill]

There are solutions. Why did you even mention Tom Segura? No one knows that outside of this.

[Joel Anderson]

Group of three, sir. Yeah, you know what I mean. Real. I don't know who Tom Segura is.

[Tate Frazier]

What is he okay. Oh, that's gonna help us.

[Van Lathan]

He's got the opportunity podcast.

[Joel Anderson]

Wait, hold on, hold on.

[Billy Gill]

Are you intentionally self destructive?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Like, what are you. Like, is he a famous comedian? He is a famous comedian. Yeah, he's very famous.

[Billy Gill]

What do you think he's gonna come on here for?

[Joel Anderson]

What did he do? What? Like, what would I hear?

[Tate Frazier]

Maybe that's what you guys do when he comes on the show.

[Joel Anderson]

Like, is he that famous?

[Van Lathan]

Like, he's for. You should know who he is.

[Joel Anderson]

I should. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

You're a cultural critic. Like, you should know who he is.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, my bad. It's my bad. Tom Segura. But we shouldn't. We didn't bring that shit back up again. We just walked away from it.

[Van Lathan]

We were like, we did because we could, we couldn't.

[Joel Anderson]

We're gonna.

[Tate Frazier]

Allison said we're gonna try to get Octavia Spencer again, but nobody said we.

[Joel Anderson]

Gonna try to get Thompson girl again. Huh? He's so famous. He's one of the most famous comedians ever. We should get him.

[Van Lathan]

I, I, I, you know what?

[Billy Gill]

I'm not gonna get him now.

[Van Lathan]

Like, I, yeah, don't look like, don't bring him on the show.

[Joel Anderson]

It.

[Billy Gill]

I'm like, what's the point now if you're just going to all over.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm not going to. I'm, I will, I will get up to speed. I, I'll get familiar with this when.

[Tate Frazier]

He comes to the show. I'm definitely going to turn it over to Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I will do my research when it happens, bro.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Do not cuck out. Keep the same energy. I mean, what do y' all think.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm going to do? I'm not going to be. No, no, no. Okay, hold on, hold on. I'm going to be a kind, polite person when he comes on here. Now.

[Van Lathan]

Treat the.

[Joel Anderson]

If you, if you want me to say I wasn't familiar with your work before, brother, I'm sorry, but I just, I watched your last few comedy specials and they were incredible. Let me ask you about how you come up with a joke. You know, I could do that when he comes on.

[Tate Frazier]

Nah, there you go.

[Van Lathan]

The same way you could do that, but the same way you was just putting the wheel in his back. That would be the Same way. See, that's my thing. If I'm gonna put the wheel the same way you was just putting the wheel in his back. Shit. We didn't go back and do it. Put the wheel in the back the same way. I respect him.

[Joel Anderson]

No, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I, I, I'm not making up the fact that I did not know who he was, but I. But you all were talking to me like, I mean, this is Bill Bellamy in 1994 or something.

[Billy Gill]

You know, in fairness, though, do you.

[Joel Anderson]

Think it's more famous? Bill Bellamy or Tom Segura?

[Van Lathan]

Hold on. What? In this, this year?

[Joel Anderson]

No, I mean, you ask in these times.

[Tate Frazier]

Probably Segura, unfortunately.

[Joel Anderson]

Really?

[Van Lathan]

Right now, 94, Bill Bellamy is definitely Bill Bellamy.

[Joel Anderson]

But it's close. You think it's close?

[Van Lathan]

I don't know. Like. Like, okay, should we just do an Instagram followers.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

Do a search, do a little account.

[Van Lathan]

Because I don't know. Because Bill, you never gonna get me to Bill Bellamy.

[Joel Anderson]

It does great stories, man. We should get it.

[Van Lathan]

We should get Bill Bellamy on the floor.

[Joel Anderson]

We should get Bill excited about that.

[Tate Frazier]

Me, too.

[Billy Gill]

Can I. Can I just.

[Joel Anderson]

60 years old, man.

[Billy Gill]

I want to betray Joel for a second. Joel said he doesn't know who Tom Segura is. Is. He also didn't know who Octavia Spencer was, because when he said yes.

[Joel Anderson]

He.

[Billy Gill]

Said in the chat, he goes, who is this? And then he's like, I thought it was a different Octavia, and he still hasn't told us who that Octavia was.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, it's. No, stop it. That. I. I was just. I was getting her confused when you.

[Tate Frazier]

He said he never seen hidden figures.

[Joel Anderson]

The head. But I saw the help.

[Van Lathan]

I saw.

[Joel Anderson]

What else? Was she in the help?

[Van Lathan]

She's been in a lot of shape.

[Joel Anderson]

Of water. I know.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm not even trying to count. I'm just not.

[Van Lathan]

So, Joel. So Bill Bellamy has 929,000 followers. Tom Segura has 2.7 million.

[Tate Frazier]

Okay, there you go, Joe.

[Joel Anderson]

All right.

[Van Lathan]

And Joe, you are. Joe, you are following Tom Segura on Instagram.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, my God.

[Joel Anderson]

You know what happened? I followed him. I followed him because we were going to. We were going to talk to him, and I was like, well, I need to get up to speed on who this guy is.

[Van Lathan]

I ain't with Joel. Joel doesn't follow him. See how he just lied?

[Tate Frazier]

I was about to die.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay? I didn't know. I don't be paying attention, bro. All right, I'mma follow him right now so we can end all doubt. It's Tom Segura. Instagram, Sagura, Tom follow. Oh, it says followed by Tate Frazier, Tom Shady 319 other people.

[Billy Gill]

Who's Tom Shady 300.

[Van Lathan]

All right. Kyle in the show, bro.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, my bad. Oh, damn. Hey, child. What's up, bro? You? I'm good with you. I like you. You see, my dad, I don't have any problems with him at all.

[Tate Frazier]

Just Tom Segura. That's the only one.

[Joel Anderson]

Now I have problems with Thompson. Girl, if he comes on the show, I'll be lovely to him, I promise you.

[Tate Frazier]

All right, well, we'll reach out to Bill Bellamy and see if we can get him on the show.

[Joel Anderson]

Billy, get Bill Bellamy, man.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah. No pressure, Billy.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, just.

[Tate Frazier]

Just do that.

[Billy Gill]

All right.

[Tate Frazier]

I think that's all we got for today. Appreciate everybody tuning in to ring your tailgate. Hope you have a wonderful week, and we will see you all next week.

[Billy Gill]

Week.

[Tate Frazier]

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