Did the UCLA Spring Game Convince Joel to Move West? Plus, Trinidad Chambliss Considered LSU

Summary

Ringer Tailgate – Episode Summary

Episode: Did the UCLA Spring Game Convince Joel to Move West? Plus, Trinidad Chambliss Considered LSU
Date: May 6, 2026
Hosts: Tate Frazier, Van Lathan, Joel Anderson

Episode Overview

This lively, in-studio edition of Ringer Tailgate brings the crew together in Los Angeles, where they break down their Rose Bowl tour and the UCLA spring game, dish on college football recruiting and transfer tampering, and debate blue-blood rosters. A running thread: will Joel Anderson finally move to L.A.? The episode also explores major shifts in college football’s economics, headline stories from across the sport, and delivers the usual blend of smart banter, nostalgic references, and CFB nerdery.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. In-Person Vibes & Comic Relief (01:10–04:10)

• The crew celebrates being together in L.A., quickly devolving into comedic banter about Van’s stand-up debut and who in the Ringer family actually shows up for each other.
• Notable moment: Van reflects on his comedy set at the Laugh Factory, with a humorous story about his dad for material.

2. Rose Bowl Field Trip & UCLA Spring Game (04:13–09:35)

• The hosts tour every crevice of the Rose Bowl, weaving local history, construction anxieties (Tate’s “Looney Tunes” fears), love for local hall-of-famers, and CFB lore.
• Van and Joel are surprised by how fascinating the tour is:

  “A Rose Bowl tour? That sounds terrible… but it was fascinating. I loved it.” (Joel, 06:26)

• They note UCLA’s renewed football energy and recruiting upswing, calling out how rare that is for the program.

3. UCLA’s Rise and Academic Prestige (09:41–11:25)

• The team discusses UCLA's advantages and its challenge of balancing high academic bar with athletic ambitions.
• Mini-debate on which public university is the best (UCLA vs. Berkeley), referencing U.S. News rankings and college football implications.

4. The “Move to L.A.” Saga (11:46–14:07)

• Joel is pressed on when he’ll move west, as his love for California—and Pasadena—is on display.
• Joel:

  “Everything in California fascinates you. You just cannot stop talking about it.” (Van, 12:51)

• He hints he’d consider relocating by Season 3, depending on work and personal logistics.

5. Power Conference Academics & All-Time Hoops Debate (14:40–22:07)

• Fun divergence into academic rankings of CFB powers (mocking “payola” and Duke/UNC rivalry).
• Extended, humorous but earnest draft of all-time North Carolina vs. Duke basketball lineups, with Jordan, Worthy, Carter, Hansbrough, etc. Barbed debate:

  “Michael Jordan versus JJ Redick… barbecue chicken!” (Tate, 18:17)

• Consensus: UNC wins, but lots of love for both rosters.

6. Story of the Week – Trinidad Chambliss Transfer Drama (22:07–27:30)

• Discusses Trinidad Chambliss almost transferring with Lane Kiffin to LSU but staying at Ole Miss after some “tampering.”
• Van:

  “If I was an Ole Miss fan, this would make me super duper happy… the culture was strong enough to keep him home.” (23:01)

• Joel adds the context of Chambliss' rise, Lane Kiffin’s big-transfer board, and how quickly things shift post-portal.

7. Inside College Football’s New Money Era (33:13–55:12)

The Big Ten Rise & Open Market Realities (34:00–41:45)

• Analyzes why the Big Ten is dominating: NIL money, awakening of wealthy alumni bases, and new age of above-board recruiting.
• Discussion of bagmen, creative old-school payments (“winning” racehorse tickets at Kentucky), and how the new NIL era levels the playing field for “academic” football powers.
• Van:

  “It was reasons why you was a blue blood … some of that was luck. Some of that was fucking slavery.” (40:23)

Will We Ever Get the True Recruiting Stories? (41:45–47:06)

• Tate wonders if we’ll ever hear the unfiltered recruitment stories now that it’s all legal. Consensus: players with weaker ties might spill; most legends keep the code.
• Joel:

  “Some dudes, a G, like Eric Dickerson, he’s like, ‘I’m never telling y’all how I…’” (43:10)

The Exponential Growth of NIL & Roster Costs (49:52–54:20)

• Debate on whether $100M rosters are coming (Kyle Whittingham predicts 12–15 schools will hit $50M).
• General agreement: a CBA or cap is coming before costs reach the NFL stratosphere, but the exponential climb is real.

8. Quick Hits & Notable Headlines (55:31–61:56)

• John Sumrall’s wild “I’ll be on the roof” bowl eligibility quote—then grimly runs Florida’s schedule, predicting struggles.
• UCLA nabs Maurice Jones-Drew’s son Deuce Jones (class of ’27, legacy three-star RB), a symbol of recruiting momentum.
• UCLA and USC’s arms race: pressure mounting on Lincoln Riley to achieve after high-profile losses and UCLA’s recruiting spark.
• John Wall’s new role as president of basketball ops at Howard, reflecting on HBCU endowments and resource gaps.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

On the Rose Bowl's legacy

“The Rose Bowl isn’t just a regular college football venue. It is a historic landmark in the United States.”
— Van, 06:48

On UCLA’s recruiting boom

“There's a lot that UCLA has to offer and can capitalize on, and it seems like this is the starting of that under Coach Chesney.”
— Joel, 09:41

On the culture that keeps transfers home

“...the culture of what they’ve built at Ole Miss was strong enough to keep him home.”
— Van, 23:01

On the shift to above-board payments

“I love that it’s above the board and I love that these teams that have never had their chance before having a chance.”
— Joel, 41:28

On the college football money race

“It’s almost as good for college football when a really expensive player fails—because that’s such a huge story.”
— Van, 52:08

On HBCU resource disparities

“I see Howard has a one billion dollar endowment, man, that’s amazing… Southern University endowment, nine million bucks, bro.”
— Van, 62:35

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Segment Timestamps

• Intro & Banter: 01:10–04:10
• Rose Bowl/UCLA Spring Game: 04:13–09:35
• UCLA & Academic Rankings: 09:41–11:25
• Joel’s California Move Debate: 11:46–14:07
• Conference Public School Academics & Basketball Draft: 14:40–22:07
• Trinidad Chambliss/Transfer Portal: 22:07–27:30
• Top 5 Headlines/Quick Hits: 33:13–61:56
• HBCU/Howard Endowment: 62:04–66:05
• Wrap-up/Closing Banter: 66:05–End

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Tone and Language

• Conversational and irreverent—equal parts sharp analysis and jokes, lots of playful shade thrown.
• Smart but accessible, with classic Ringer deep-dives into college football history, culture, and economics.
• Authentic homage to college football’s “underbelly” and shifting landscape, with personal stories and insider perspectives.

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Takeaways for the Uninitiated

• The Rose Bowl experience and UCLA’s emerging energy represent a new era in West Coast football.
• College football is in a historic state of flux thanks to NIL, realignment, and open-market economics, and traditional powers are feeling the pressure.
• The podcast is as much about the off-field economics, history, and cultural power players (coaches, boosters, old recruiting tales) as what happens on the gridiron.
• The hosts’ chemistry—a mix of nostalgia, sarcasm, sports-nerditude, and sincere fandom—drives the fun but also the smart, big-picture takes.

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Summary Prepared for Ringer Tailgate Listeners (and Anyone Curious About College Football’s Big Shifts).

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Welcome to Ringer Tailgate, the Wednesday edition of the show. I'm your host, Tate Frazier, and we are all in studio. So let's say what's up to our guys? First and foremost, Van Lathan. What's up, Van?

[B]

What's up, guys? We're raising the roof every day of the week.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, we're all in. We're all in person out here in Los Angeles. And we have Joel Anderson here in the Long Beach State shirt. What's up, Joel?

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What's up, man? How y' all doing? It's good to to all confab, you know.

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We also have Billy Gill over here.

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What's up, Billy in the corner.

[B]

By the way, I would like to start off by saying something. I would like to thank Billy Gil and only Billy Gil, because last night I had my comedy show.

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Yes.

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My first stand up set at the Laugh Factory and Billy showed up. I look over and I see a tall Cuban man going, yeah, he gave me a raised roof. And then Billy was out of there. I was looking for Billy.

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Billy was gone.

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Well, you had a big crowd of people around. You were a star last night.

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You didn't come. You didn't come.

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I thought we were all coming. And then I didn't hear anything.

[C]

So I assume, well, you didn't really spark it up. And I'm the one that told Billy about the show in the first place

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and Billy is the one that made it. To me, credit is sacrifice.

[A]

Yeah, you can't take credit for it.

[C]

I went out to get dinner and drinks with one of our managers and good friends, Connor Nevins. Okay. Cause that was something that I.

[A]

So you picked Connor over Van?

[C]

No, he. I mean, he's my manager, so he.

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Fucking out.

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Fucking out, bro. And then I found out that I was going to be on another Ringer podcast and I needed to prep, so the day just kind of got away from me. Oh, sorry.

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I'm with it.

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Just want to make sure you're talking about it.

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Yeah.

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Cause you haven't. I do feel bad. I really wish I had been there. I wanted to support.

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It was fun. We had a good time. Shout out to, out to Ida Rodriguez, Macy Gray, Eric Benet, everybody that performed last night. It was fun.

[A]

Yeah, we heard. You did great. Macy Gray did great as well.

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Macy Gray did great. Billy preferred Macy Gray than me.

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That's okay. He said you got a tough slot cuz you had to follow Macy Gray.

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Everybody told me I was really funny. Billy showed up, so I appreciate the positive.

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Did you make jokes or did you have like.

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Made some jokes and then like I. I told a story about how I learned that my father masturbated.

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That's a good one.

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It's a good story.

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Good story. Okay.

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You know, so the whole deal. But I'm going up again. Well, this might be the start of a new journey for me.

[C]

Wait, wait. When are you going to go up again?

[B]

July 17th.

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See, look, man, I'm going to. I want to make one of these shows. I want to try to show you're

[A]

in control of that. You had every opportunity. You also, by the way, like, were the most annoying about it. Like you were Vans agent for a week. You kept sending everyone the link. This is where you buy tickets. How you go, guys, we're all going to be our family. Family. Then it went radio silent. So I was like, I guess we're not going.

[C]

Yeah, my intention was for us to go. We can still. We still have time. What are you doing tomorrow? Tonight we could all go and do a family dinner that I mentioned on the show last week. Nobody followed up on. So what's up?

[B]

We got to do it tomorrow. So like we. Tomorrow we should do it. Where you guys want to go? Like tomorrow, tonight I have to go to the Mortal Kombat screening. But. But tomorrow we should, we should go and have a dinner together.

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Let's do it.

[C]

We had a lot of fun. We all hung out on Saturday.

[A]

Yeah, that was our one big reaction. We went to the Rose Bowl. We took it over.

[C]

Yeah, we had a great time. So, yeah, I'm trying to do it again.

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So let me tell you a couple of things about the Rose bowl that I really enjoy. Enjoyed. Number one, I enjoyed getting a tour of a stadium, which I've never got before.

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Yeah.

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The tour of the entire stadium, the history of the Rose Bowl. We learned everything. We went into the hard hat area of the Rose bowl, which is funny to me, guys. Tate, we haven't yet. We haven't gotten a chance to talk about it. More footage coming out.

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Yeah, we got a whole episode next week.

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I won't get too much into it.

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It's a little appetizing.

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But, Tate, we go. We're going into the. So like, I told. We told the story before about the height, the heights at the USC game, right? Tate's looking around. I don't know about this, man. So part of the ucla, part of the Rose bowl, they're. They're doing construction. It's a construction area.

[A]

They're building a field club.

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They're building a field club. Tate didn't want to go in, guys, for whatever reason.

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I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. Yeah. I was like, what?

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Nobody told me we're going.

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That's the whole reason. That's the whole reason we're here.

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I'm not trying to go to an active construction zone. Accidents can happen.

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They weren't gonna, like, have us sitting under a swinging an.

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I mean, it looked like they were. They were. They were just drilling and doing all types of stuff.

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Like, Joel looks at him, he's like, what do you think's gonna happen? Anvil's gonna fall.

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Yes. He's like, I watched a lot of Looney Tunes. It could go bad.

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I don't know.

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And it was fine. We learned all about what they were doing. They got a lot of cool stuff happening at the Rose Bowl. It was fun.

[A]

Yeah. I got to see all the statues. Went to the hall of Fame. Went to the California High School hall of Fame, bro. That was amazing.

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So we started off in there, and that's when we started to eat. You know, they had a little bit of food for us, and then we didn't know they didn't have.

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No. Don't complain.

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Okay. Well, they didn't have no tables. They didn't have no tables or anything. I thought we were gonna have more time to eat, so I had to take my chicken tenders with me while we were walking, but I really wanted to see more of the High School hall of Fame. There's so many people in there. Dalen McCutcheon. Y' all remember Dale McCutcheon. Jamel Holloway. I'm just going through it. I was fascinated by it, and I wish I'd had more time to be in there, but I. That all it means is another excuse for us all to go to the Rose bowl again.

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Yeah, we're gonna lock in with the Rose Bowl. We were very appreciative of the experience. Got a great tour. Got to see every single crevice of the Rose Bowl.

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Man, that was. You know, it's funny because when we all had to get together to do that, I was kinda like, man, a Rose bowl tour? That sounds terrible. It sounds so boring. But it was fascinating. I loved it.

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Why would it be boring, though?

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Yeah, I just, you know, I just kinda.

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We got to see Terry Donahue's statue. We got to see Jackie Robinson.

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Terry Donahue, the winningest coach in Pac 12. Yeah.

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Te Donohue. Bernie Chastain statue. Jim Thorpe statue. Archie Griffin statue. The Rose bowl isn't just a regular college football venue. It is a historic landmark in the United States.

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Yeah, they had the sign they showed us.

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We learned all about, like, what you have to do. This is the type of shit that I like, what you have to do to renovate a historic landmark like the Rose bowl, but also not for it to lose its historic status. Yeah, fascinating.

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Like, there's. So there are three stadiums in the country that have that designation, and two

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of them are in LA Coliseum and the Rose Bowl.

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Coliseum, Rose bowl, and then Soldier Field from Chicago. So, like, look, great time. And then we watch the parts of the UCLA spring game.

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Yeah, we got to see, you know, Madden versus Nico, A sibling rivalry. We're Team Madden.

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Team Madden, y' all. Love y' all because y' all are haters. And I hope y' all keep the same energy when we talk to him at some point this week.

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Yeah.

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I want y' all to be like, yeah, your brother is better than you, because that's what y' all was. Don't cuck out.

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If you're challenging me, then I'll fucking say that and embarrass me.

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I think it would. I think it would appreciate it.

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Go for it.

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I just say, like, hey, I saw your little brother. He looks like he has a little bit more arm talent than you. How do you feel about that?

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Okay.

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Yeah, like, okay, we'll see what he says, but don't do whoop my ass.

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He'll put hands on me.

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I'm not gonna outbox him. I'm not. I'm not gonna find box. It's actually. You know what? It's not. It's not. It's not cooking out no more. It's fine bombing. That's a new one. It's fine bombing. You come up there, you talk all that shit about fine bomb. Then you went up there like, nah,

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I didn't talk shit about fine bombing.

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You were saying, yes, sir. No, sir.

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Nah, I didn't do that. That's too far. That's too far.

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Did he say, yes, sir or yes, sir?

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Yes, sir.

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Yes, sir. I did not say look at. Okay, see, I protected you because when. When he was going on you about the essence.

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Yeah.

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Just remember who's on your side. Okay? And I know. Don't. Don't.

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Wimby. 12 blocks.

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Don't get him. Don't get him out. Don't get him out.

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Oh, but we had a. We had a great time. It was fun.

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We had a great time. So the Rose Bowl.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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One last thing. An appearance. Thanks to the Duke Razor for TJ

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Hush Manzada, who's coaching the kids out there.

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He's coaching the kids out there. We saw the kids out there, like, last thing I'll say. That was actually pretty awesome right there. The kids. Everybody was out there doing.

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Yeah, man, he looks. He looks in great shape, man. He looks like he's still playing.

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He was super cool, too. Very generous with this time. Got to hang out with us. We'll have that interview coming out next week. So, again, a Rose bowl takeover for the Tailgate crew. A lot of fun and shout out to ucla. A lot of energy out there for UCLA football. Have not seen that. Been out in LA for over a decade. Have never seen UCLA football really have that juice. So.

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Well, it's carrying forward. I mean, they've had a really big recruiting week. I think they're in the top 20 overall.

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Yeah.

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Like, things that they've never done before, which is they've always should have been able to do this. And I understand that they're limited in some ways. Right. Like, it's a hard school to get into. Some people don't want to play in a Rose Bowl. Some people want to play at Neyland Stadium or a Tiger Stadium or whatever, and it's just a different vibe. But there's a lot that UCLA has to offer and can capitalize on, and it seems like this is the starting of that under Coach Chesney.

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Yeah, UCLA is the number One number one public school in the entire country.

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It's a great education.

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So, like, it is. It is unbeknownst to people, UCLA has overtaken Berkeley as the best public school. Berkeley is looked at kind of as a Western Ivy. You know what I mean? Obviously, Stanford's a Western Ivy, but Berkeley is looked at as the big swinging dick of the intellectual public school, like, kind of deals. But UCLA is actually a better school. It has, like, a higher academic bar. So that is something they have to contend with when they're looking for players and stuff like that. We'll see how Chesney deals with it, to your point.

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Oh, yeah. Right. So. But it's a. It's. It's a good education if you can. If you can get in. But that's just. Again, that's just another challenge. And they've got ways around it. It ain't like, you know, Georgia Tech or whatever, where they all got to take calculus or something like that.

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Engineering, architecture, what's up?

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Just as I said that, I checked it out. In 2026, Berkeley went back to the top.

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They're back to number one.

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Berkeley's back to. Fuck UCLA in 2020. We're just joking. In 2026, Berkeley went back to the top, but the public. The public ranking now for. Is number two for UCLA. Berkeley is number one. The national ranking for UCLA is number 17. It's a top 20 school in the entire country.

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Shout out to UCLA. Got good things going on Berkeley. Also, great place. Cheese board. You ever had cheese board?

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Oh, yeah, man. Berkeley is one of my favorite cities.

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Yeah, I love it.

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It's beautiful.

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Good town. One last thing before we get into college football. I do want to ask. Joel went on the Rewatchables yesterday, and that was a big deal. So the big question now. One big question. When is Joel moving to la?

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Oh, wow. You looking at me?

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Are we going to answer for you?

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When is. Why. Why does nobody. Billy is on more podcasts than me. He's higher up in the. He has more followers.

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Don't deflect. The question is not when is Billy moving to la? Maybe question next week. No, no, no, that's not the one.

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When are you going to move to la?

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No one asked me. Yeah, that's not the one. That's not the one big question.

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You've actually been on Bill's podcast.

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So you've been on the. Yeah, you've won the rewatchables.

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You were on Bill's podcast. You were on the rewatchables.

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Everyone in this room has been on Bill's podcast. Two of us live here. Billy has not been asked the question yet. But you've been asked the question, one big question. When is Joel moving to LA again?

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I don't understand why people don't ask Billy about it, because, again.

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Oh, man, just move on.

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They never. You see a direct answer. You said you love Pasadena.

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I don't know. I love la. I mean, that was the thing. When we were driving around, when we were, when we were driving over to the Rose bowl, you all were almost kind of getting annoyed with me. Cause I was just like, wow, look at this shit.

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No, we were excited. We're like, man, I was like walking

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through the Rose Bowl, I'm like, this is amazing. I was in such a.

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Everything about California fascinates you. Everything. You look at everything. You, like, look at the roads. Like, everything in California. Everything about California fascinates you. You love California. You just cannot stop talking about it.

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Oh, no. Part of the reason I did a season on the LA riots is because I just want to get my mind, my head around la. What's the book that Mike Davis did?

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Hustler?

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No, The Socialist who Died.

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When I think of Mike Davis, I think of the Indiana basketball coach.

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Yeah. Okay, I gotta look it up.

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What's the name of the book?

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It was. Hold on. Yes.

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Mike Davis has coached in a lot of places.

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Not that one. Mike Davis. Remembering Mike Davis. He is a change. Los Angeles, City of Courts.

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Okay.

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City Court's one of my favorite books. It's fascinating. LA reminds me so much of Houston, too. Like, I feel like they have, like, a lot of synergies. A very spread out city, very diverse. A lot of people from Louisiana that make up their, you know, their base of black folk. So I love it. I had an aunt that lived out here. I just, I love the terrain. Yeah. I mean, I love mountains. Mountains are restored.

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I think it was a simple, it could have been a simple answer. Like, hopefully soon or like, you know, we'll see.

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I was talking with Connor when I went out with him last night. Night. When I'm.

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When he stole you away from.

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Yeah. And we were, and I, we were talking about how the LA thing could happen. Like, I, I, I have no problem with it. I don't think I could do it this season, but I could envision a scenario which I'm here in 2020.

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I think season three, we ramped it up.

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Next year for tailgate is the year where we put the vice grip on the whole game. And then season three is Perfect for Joe to come out here. I'm looking at this list of best schools.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Public schools.

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Yeah.

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There's some surprises in here. Obviously, the University of Mission is a great school.

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What list are you looking at?

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I'm looking at the US News and World Report.

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Okay.

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So it's some SEC schools up here that are pretty high on this list.

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Georgia.

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Georgia.

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Yeah.

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Florida.

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Yep.

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Florida. Huh.

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Florida's way up.

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Florida.

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Georgia is a really good school.

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Georgia's a really good school.

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Okay.

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The University of Texas, of course.

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Texas, yeah.

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Texas, great school.

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North Carolina.

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Yeah. North Carolina.

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North Carolina is not up here.

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I don't know, dog. Hold on.

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I don't see him. Well, I'm looking at him right now. 1670. Georgia is 19. Florida State's 21.

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Damn.

[B]

A&M's 21. There's a couple. That's log jamming.

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We're ahead of A and M in Georgia for sure.

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You're not.

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Yeah, we are.

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You're not. You're not.

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Yeah, we are.

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You're not. Oh, wait, hold on. Listen, because right now I see y' all at number 26 on a national universities list.

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So U.S. news and World Reports don't have y' all on here.

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This sound like payola to me, is.

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I'm just being for real.

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Well, I'm looking at best national university's rankings.

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Okay.

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Princeton's number one. MIT is number two. Do you have that?

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Well, these are. I'm just looking at the public schools now.

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Oh.

[B]

If I just look at all the schools, then. Then, you know, obviously this changes the public.

[A]

Virginia is on the list.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You look at the Michigan, Princeton's number one. Mit, Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Chicago. Duke, Duke way up there.

[C]

Georgetown's number 24.

[B]

Duke number 7.

[A]

Yeah, smart.

[B]

Duke number 7.

[A]

I got into Duke. It's not hard.

[C]

It's not hard, huh?

[B]

Let me ask you a question.

[A]

What's up?

[B]

Your whole family is North Carolina. Why'd you apply to Duke?

[A]

Just so I could never have any pushback.

[B]

Oh, so you could tell the Duke people that I could have been one AI. If I wanted to.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

Yeah. All right. Question for you. The North Carolina starting five all time versus the Duke starting five.

[A]

It's not even close.

[C]

Oh, no. Yeah. North Carolina's fucking them up.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Well, let's do it. Can we do it?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay, so write this list down. So. So North Carolina starting five is Jordan.

[A]

shooting guard. Yeah.

[B]

At shooting guard. Yeah.

[C]

Who's the. Who's the pg?

[B]

Who's the point guard?

[A]

Phil. Ford.

[B]

Phil Ford.

[C]

Okay, okay.

[B]

At the three is worthy.

[A]

I mean, I would put Vince Carter at the three. The worthy of the four.

[B]

You put Vince Carter three worthy at the four. Interesting.

[C]

So and then. And then Rasheed at five.

[A]

Or I mean, if we're doing. Are we doing college basketball, are we doing like, we're doing Doherty?

[C]

Man, I forgot.

[A]

I mean, Brad Daugherty, Tyler Hansbrough, every time my college careers.

[B]

This is your can do whatever you want. Was your starting five. So your starting five. You put Vincent to three worthy at the four. Okay, so Vincent the three worthy at the four. Who's at the five?

[A]

I mean, if it's college basketball, I'll put Hansborough at the five.

[C]

Oh, man. Come on.

[B]

You're putting Handsborough at the five on

[A]

the front door to take on Leitner.

[C]

You got it. You got to. You got to help. You got to help yourself, bro.

[B]

Do you think.

[A]

I mean, Antoine Jameson is easy.

[C]

So we're judging this on just college career, correct?

[A]

Yeah, that's.

[B]

No, we don't have. No, we can judge it on whatever we want.

[A]

If we want to judge it like all, like, time, you know, career, then I would probably put Brad Daugherty at the. At the five.

[B]

Okay, but like, if it's college, it's Hansborough. Cause he was actually the fucking man.

[A]

Yeah, he was the best.

[B]

Okay, so then what's the Duke starting five then?

[A]

Duke starting five is probably J. Will at the one, okay.

[C]

Over Johnny Dawkins. Huh? I mean, man, Johnny Dawkins was that motherfucker. He's the guy that put Duke on the map.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, that first.

[C]

And I think he was an NBA all star.

[A]

Yeah, of course.

[B]

I mean, but you wouldn't put Kyrie Irving at the one.

[A]

Oh, I mean, maybe Duke does. Yeah, I mean, I mean, he played 11 games, so, like, it does account. Not in my book, but sure, if you want to put Kyrie. But I think J Will was okay.

[C]

Yeah, that's right. That's right.

[A]

I think J Will. And then the two is JJ Redick. So already Michael Jordan versus JJ Redick. Barbecue chicken.

[B]

Yeah, but at the same time, I

[A]

mean, that's like the most cooked thing I've ever seen in my life. Like, good luck. Good luck.

[B]

At the same time, though, if I'm coaching that game, Grant hill at the 3, I'll put Grant Hill on Jordan.

[A]

Okay, Grant Hill. Grant Hill at the three. And then we got Vince Carter on the wing being like, JJ, come here. We'd like to see you at the 4. Elton Brand Elton Brand, probably. Yeah. Elton Brand or Christian Laitner, I guess Christian Laitner.

[B]

If it's. If, if. If Christian Laitner got to be at the place. One of the greatest players of all time.

[A]

Yeah. Christian Laitner at the four, and then the five is. I mean, you got like Cherokee Parks. Yeah. I mean, Sheldon Williams.

[B]

Sheldon Williams, your local four.

[C]

I just kind of feel like you could put Christian Layton at the 4 and Elton Brand at the.

[A]

Yeah, maybe.

[C]

That's probably what.

[A]

That's a good five.

[B]

So you put. So they're like the cam went to UConn, Jahlil Okafor. Look at that dummy. You don't know nothing. So you feel like that starting five, like you got Jordan on the team.

[A]

I mean, just the depth of the bench, too. Like we have a full roster. I mean. I mean, I feel good about our second unit coming in and wiping the floor they got.

[C]

I mean, we haven't talked about Shane Battier. We. We didn't put bad.

[A]

You can put in there if you want a defensive stopper to put on Jordan, you know. Yeah.

[C]

Run him out there. Yeah.

[B]

Mike is going to fuck over Shane better. You nuts?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Can do nothing against, like, I would love it. It's going to be very, very tough. Shane Batty is a good defender. Very, very tough against Michael Jordan. For Shane Batty, it's going to be tough.

[C]

But I don't. I'm not looking at this. This game.

[A]

We got Sam Perkins off the bench. I mean, we got a lot of good.

[C]

I'm looking at. I'm not Corey. I mean, that. You got to do a Corey McGetty. You know what I'm saying? The Corey may have a great.

[A]

Yeah, but he disavowed Duke, so it doesn't count.

[C]

Come on, man. I'm not looking at this game. And seeing, like, complete domination, like the MJ of it all does give you all the advantage. Of course, like, you're probably the favorite, but. Yeah, I don't think y' all running Duke out off the floor, man. I really am not.

[A]

I mean, that's because they're two great programs.

[C]

They are. They are two great programs. Yeah.

[A]

Look, I'm not being disrespectful. I'm just saying I'll take Carolina in that. In that, you know, matchup, but I'm confused by this US World Report. I don't know about that.

[B]

You don't think it's true?

[A]

I don't think so.

[B]

Like, why not?

[A]

I don't know. I've never seen that list before.

[C]

Really?

[A]

Yeah, I'm a little thrown off by it.

[B]

I asked Claude. Claude said the all time UNC is Jordan Carter, Stackhouse, Jameson Worthy, McAdoo, Hansborough.

[A]

Oh yeah, never mind Bob McAdoo at the 5. Mitch cup the first one and done. Okay, never mind Bob McAdoo with the 5 is Domination. It's over with.

[B]

And they say the all time Duke is Grant Hill, Elton Brand, Jay Williams, Carlos Boozer, Shane Betier, Luol Dang, Danny Ferry, Bobby Hurley, Christian Laitner and Kyrie Irving.

[A]

They're getting waxed.

[C]

I. I still think that's a good game. Y' all not winning all you're not. If that's a best of seven, y' all One four two.

[B]

Phil Ford, Kyrie Irving, Jordan, Grant Hill. They got Grant Hill at the at the two here.

[C]

That's okay.

[B]

Worthy, Badier, Jameson, Elton Brand, McAdoo, Christian Laitner.

[A]

McAdoo Christian Laitner.

[B]

The branches Carter. The two guards are Carter and Stackhouse. Hurley and J Will Boozer at the Ford. Dang. Got a Ford. Danny ferry at the 4. They don't have Duke with a backup center Cunningham, Harrisboro and and Mitch Kupcheck.

[A]

I forgot about Billy Cunningham. That's another good one. Kangaroo kid. Yeah. I would take, you know, North Carolina in that matchup. Maybe Larry Brown coaches Carolina.

[C]

That could be first Coach K. Okay.

[A]

You know he's still around. Shout out to Dean Smith and Roy Williams. They obviously would be the first options. But you know, we get Larry Brown in there, that'd be fun. And he also played so George Carlson.

[C]

George Carl. That's right, George Carl.

[A]

Oh, man, I like it. That was fun. Let's do our story of the week. Let's talk some college football because this is fascinating. Van, this is in your wheelhouse. Trinidad Chambliss came out and he told. I think it was ESPN or no, it was on three of this story that he considered LSU with Lane Kiffin but stayed locked in with Ole Miss. He said, quote, I mean there were discussions, there were thoughts. I'm not going to lie about that because you have to understand what my circumstance was. I just transferred here. My offensive coordinator was Coach Weiss. I had just learned the system. He was leaving and they were taking most of the offensive guys. He went on to say there were just a lot of unknowns and question marks. So yes, those thoughts were there. But once we went with PG coach Golding, it didn't take me too long to decide. I was all in on Ole Miss in quote. Did you like hearing that Chambers got tampered with or, you know, like, what were your thoughts on this?

[B]

Yeah, I think everybody's doing it. I have no problem with that. No issue with it. It's the way of the world in college football right now. There's a lot of money involved. I do.

[A]

Never in the portal.

[B]

I do think never in the portal. I know that there were discussions like, the tampering is happening. I get it. I have no issue with it. It's just. It's funny that, you know, everyone's getting caught for it. I think that if I was an Ole Miss fan, this would make me super duper happy that the culture of what they've built at Ole Miss was strong enough to keep him home. Even though I'm sure there was a lot of money and a ton of familiarity that existed in Baton Rouge with his coach and his oc but they were able to keep him in Oxford because of the culture up there in Oxford. Says that they got something lasting.

[A]

Do you view this as, like, a tease? You know what I mean? Like, if you're an LSU fan, you're like, man, we almost had Chambliss.

[B]

I mean. No, not really.

[A]

Okay, you're not too lost on the. What is.

[B]

There are a lot of people that. That assumed that he would come along with Lane Kiffin.

[A]

Right?

[B]

There are a lot of people that assumed a lot of things up there would have gone differently, you know, and he didn't. And he's an awesome player. And, you know, they. They got their qb. I think that LSU has Sam Levitt. There's a lot of other players that came to lsu, but this was a very coveted recruit or coveted transfer, and he stayed put. He likes what they got going up there.

[A]

Arguably the number two quarterback going into the draft next year, right behind Dante Moore.

[B]

So I'm glad to see guys stay home.

[A]

We got to see Joel's big board before we know that.

[C]

We got to see that big board next year, man.

[A]

Arch and Dante, what did you think about this quote?

[C]

Well, I mean, it only makes sense because Trinidad Chambliss before last year was D2 transfer backup.

[A]

Ferris State.

[C]

Yeah, Ferris State. He was not going to have a lucrative college career. And then he started playing in Lane Kiffin's office. And now he's a guy.

[A]

Austin Simmons gets hurt.

[C]

He's making $6 million a year, and he's a coveted guy. And so I would want.

[A]

Kirby Smart said, I didn't even know who the kid was last year.

[C]

I would want to be attached with the offense and the guy that was responsible for helping me do that if I had the opportunity, but.

[A]

So you think he should have gone to lsu?

[C]

I'm not saying that he should have gone to lsu, but I can understand why it was a tough decision. I don't know. You know, we'll see what Ole Miss is able to put around him and do differently there. But one thing we know about Lane Kiffin is that he made Jackson Dart an NFL quarterback, and most of the people that he's worked with have at least had a flirtation with the NFL. So, you know, you're going to do really well in that office. But you remember, like, the thing that's kind of funny in all this is that, remember, Damon Williams from Washington was going to go to lsu. Like, that was the biggest.

[A]

So Lane Kiffin, that was Tampertown, too.

[C]

Yes. Lane Kiffin had a big board of quarterbacks that he was willing because we'd heard about Sam Levitt of it all. We heard about demar Williams. We just like whoever they were going to end up with. So obviously, Sorsby, they were having a lot of conversations with people.

[A]

And so.

[C]

So it just seems like, you know, maybe Trinidad may. May have. May have looked at that and said, I don't know, you know, like, Ole Miss is committing to me and I can just finish out my career here. But I totally get why he'd want to play with Lane and at lsu.

[B]

I think the ideal situation probably for Lane. Lane Kiffin probably was to have Trinidad

[A]

Chambers come to lsu, of course.

[B]

And then I think that even though there was some conversation, I don't know how long those conversations lasted, probably decided that he wasn't going to come, and LSU moved on to their three or four or five guys. You know, at any point in college football, at the end of a season, there are going to be tiers of quarterbacks available. Probably a couple of guys in that top, top, top, top tier that you feel like you can build a national championship team around. And then after that, they're going to be like, solid starters and you're going to get diminishing returns from them. And so that we saw that play out this year with the way the transfer shook out, and LSU was a part of that, you saw them kind of be able have to not necessarily settle for. For Sam Levitt, but come back to him and repair that relationship after kind of taking swings with other guys.

[C]

Yeah. And I mean, LSU had to when they were making all these decisions. It was just as reasonable to assume that Trinidad Shambles was going to go into the Draft like that. He didn't win his eligibility until after lsu, after the transfer portal had closed and LSU made it. So LSU couldn't really hold out hope that Trinidad Chambliss was going to hold it. The place that Trinidad Chambliss had to go was Ole Miss, basically.

[A]

Yeah. And he got the ruling in Mississippi, originally, the tro. So there was a lot of factors at play. But I just thought that was fascinating that he kind of opened up about that.

[C]

I got Bomani Jones did a profile of Trinidad, right. He went down there for Vanity Fair, and, yeah, it seems like Ole Miss really opened themselves up for Trinidad. Like, they really threw their arms around him.

[A]

Pause.

[B]

Jesus.

[A]

Cameron is here, by the way.

[B]

Cameron's in the other man, and he's

[A]

probably listening to Joel talk like this, and he's like, who is that guy?

[C]

I need. I want to talk to Cameron because I've been wanting to get him on the press box.

[A]

You try to barge in there.

[C]

I did. I did. Like, I saw Max looking up like, what the. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

What was your plan? Like, you're just gonna walk, yo, you know.

[C]

Do you want to know? I was gonna be like, man, Cameron, what's up, Doug, I've. I'm a big fan. Even going back to 3, 5, 7. You know what I'm saying? I'm a big fan of you.

[A]

227.

[B]

227.

[C]

Yeah, it's 227, 357. Horse and carriage to the top. I've been down with Cameron since then. And also, I was like, hey, man, I like what you're doing in the media space. I think the interviews you do are fascinating. I would love to talk about this in your approach to media. If you. And you should come on Press Box to do it.

[A]

What?

[C]

That's what I want to do.

[A]

White press box. Yeah.

[B]

Why don't you get him on here?

[A]

Why would you not get him on Taylor?

[C]

I want to. I'm interested in his media.

[A]

We talk about the media on here,

[C]

but, you know, I got it. I have another show that I have to worry about sometimes. I mean, Van, we are fourth on your list of commitments.

[B]

How you know that?

[C]

Well, I know we're third.

[B]

How do you know?

[C]

Okay, you want me to give you.

[A]

Michael Jordan went third.

[C]

Let me give you. Let me give you your top four. You got higher learning.

[B]

How do you know? I'm asking, how do you know any of this?

[C]

Tire learning. Ring of the Midnight Boys.

[B]

Can you just answer the question of

[C]

Any, any, any, any. And then number three is anything.

[A]

If we were lawyers in court, I would say speculative, you know, how do you.

[C]

Speculation are you. Do you want to. Do you want to be on my team or not?

[A]

I'm on your team.

[B]

I'm just saying.

[C]

All right. I just want to.

[B]

But how do you know. I'm asking all this. I'm asking how do you.

[C]

Let me give you the top. Let me give you the top three. Okay, all right. Just let me finish.

[B]

Okay, cool.

[C]

All right. Number one again, higher learning.

[A]

Number two, shout out to the whole

[C]

midnight Number three, Any pot that Bill wants to have you on, that's number three. You skip meeting. You skipped meetings with us. With us, just so you could be on the bill pod.

[B]

But.

[C]

And you.

[B]

But the reality.

[C]

You also said that this is your side. You said that on air here. You said this is your side.

[A]

You almost missed a meeting today for the New York Times. Yeah, exactly. And you missed his show last night.

[B]

You missed my show last night. A ringer tailgate.

[A]

Had you gone to the show last night, you would have known that he was introduced to the crowd. And by the way, he hosts a ringer tailgate. He did? Yeah.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

Excuse me. Ringer tailgate was part of the introduction.

[C]

Look at that.

[B]

Boom, boom, boom. Raise the roof. By the way, I'll say something else.

[A]

I'm gonna raise the roof.

[B]

Raise the roof for that.

[C]

Raise the roof for. Man.

[B]

Stand up, Latham. Like I also say this. I'll say that when we were talking about going to Miami to do the game, I wanted to go to Miami and was going to rearrange my entire pod schedule by this. You are the one saying that you would rather go with Brian Curtis and make a press box thing. And I read until gate thing.

[C]

No, what I was saying was that that could be the priority. And then whatever tailgate did when y' all showed up, I couldn't make it work. But y' all didn't get that second priority. Brian. Brian could get credentialed. Me and Brian went to the championship game the year before in Atlanta. Okay. You know what I'm saying? So we had shown a proof of stuff.

[B]

So that's your shit.

[C]

No, I mean it's. It's equal.

[A]

I have so press boxes won.

[C]

And I'm. I'm down to do anything. I'm out here in LA literally right now because of ring of tailgate.

[A]

Yeah, shout out that. Don't.

[C]

You forgot raise the roof on that. No, raise the roof on that. Yeah, put it up. Billy, put your arm up.

[A]

You used rigor Taylor, to get out here, and you have filled up your schedule to the point that you wanted us to reschedule our recording this week so you could go and do a conspiracy theory podcast. Right? You were gonna wait. You wanted us to wait a minute.

[C]

So you can wait a second. I'm running late to that now because I've gotta go downtown.

[A]

Cause you overbooked. You overbooked. Cause you overbooked.

[C]

Our podcast was supposed to run on Wednesday. This was a last minute, a change to go on.

[A]

We were supposed to be at UCLA today.

[C]

Yeah, but I.

[A]

Which would be even more of a

[C]

time, and that was gonna be first. I was always gonna do that first. And I told. And I told Justin and the crew, Justin and Jason, shout out, be over there later today. I said, hey, I might be late. Just, you know, give me a wide berth. I might be there at three. But the tailgate comes first. I did say that. Okay, so fuck y'. All.

[A]

Okay, so your priority list. Press box one. Wait a second. Two. No, it's not tailgate. Three.

[C]

Tailgate is one. I got here. I got here on. I got here Friday night so we could go to ucla. Do you know how hard it is to watch small children over a weekend by yourself? That's what my wife is doing. Like, that's what my wife is doing. I came out here.

[A]

Should we raise the roof for her?

[C]

Yeah, raise the roof for Janae. That's right. I came out here so that we could do tailgate shit over the weekend and be here during the weekend.

[B]

Remember?

[C]

We supposed to do some old other shit, Billy, you forgot about that.

[A]

I didn't forget about it.

[C]

No, you didn't forget about it.

[A]

What time? When you're doing conspiracy things,

[C]

Billy, you've done more podcasts.

[A]

When you're out there, you're talking to new people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You really watch.

[C]

You've done more podcasts this week than I.

[A]

No, I haven't.

[C]

Yes, you have. You were doing podcasts over the weekend. Zach Lowe. What other thing that you do?

[A]

This is my job. What do you do?

[C]

Yeah, I mean. Oh, yeah, I work. I work at the Ring of Press Box as part of my work as well. I'll be like. And jumping on other podcasts because that's. That's all part of being a good teammate. Unlike some other people that don't like to go on other people's podcasts.

[A]

Who doesn't?

[C]

Who doesn't go to who van is going to come on Press Box on Thursday.

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

Van's going to come on press.

[A]

I'm going on Bill's pot on Sunday.

[C]

I had you on my pod.

[A]

I know. That's a good teammate.

[C]

We're all good teammates.

[A]

With you wanting to go ask Cameron to be on your pod.

[C]

Yeah, because I want. Because I just think Cameron is a better fit for what I want to do on press box instead of tailgate.

[B]

Okay. All right. Get the fuck out of here.

[A]

All right, we're going to go figure it out with Cameron a little bit later. Two peas in a podcast. Yeah, that would be great.

[C]

I mean, I think that I bring

[A]

Cameron on and you ask Brian Curtis his favorite Cameron song.

[C]

Yeah, you see? You know the bit.

[A]

Yeah, I got it. It's perfect. I'm a good teammate, you know. Let's do top five headlines of the week. This was fascinating. Kirby Smart, you sent this video to us. Kirby Smart was asked. It was like on a radio show type thing. We do have a clip for this, but Kirby Smart was asked why the Big Ten is currently dominating college football. And in that ask, the guy who was asking was basically like, I know Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, we've been paying these guys for quite some time was sort of the. The impetus there. And then, you know, Kirby was able to skirt that a little bit and say he doesn't understand why the Big Ten is actually doing this. They won three straight championships. What did you. Joel, I'll go to you first here. What did you think about Kirby Smart being able to kind of circumvent the. The real conversation, which is like, the money at play here.

[C]

Kirby did not address it at all.

[A]

No, he just. It was actually genius how he did it.

[C]

He just started talking about something El, which, I mean, again, we all knew that people were paying, not just in the sec, because I know that's what Vayner is. Everybody was paying, but the SEC was establishing the market. They were establishing the market. Everybody wasn't playing with the same information or the same deck of cards. Now that all the money is out there on the table, the schools that can really tap into their wealthy alums in New York and LA or whatever, they're standing out like iu, but they didn't.

[A]

Michigan.

[C]

Yeah. But on the. Before this, it was like, oh, man. You know, Mississippi State would have a recruit. Go to church. Go to church. They said, go to church on this recruiting visit. And then somebody would be like, oh, we got a gift for you down there. And they just leave you a bit. A shitload of money, a suitcase Full

[A]

of money, bag of cash.

[C]

People didn't know that that was how the game was working then. But now, car dealership.

[A]

So you get a new car and then you open the trunk. $250,000.

[C]

Yeah. So not Kentucky and LSU and Kentucky.

[A]

You know what they do at Kentucky? They take you to the horse races and they just give you winning t. So like the horse race would happen, you would actually not put in a ticket. Then they come by and give you winning tickets. You go cash them in, you get your money.

[B]

But they were doing that in basketball. Right.

[A]

Basketball, football, whatever.

[B]

So I think a couple of other things happened. I think that two things. The idea that the sec, it was this hotbed of impermissible benefits and all of that stuff that's just defeated by actual fact. Just. Just defeated by actual fact. Like, that's the only place that's happened that's just. That's that to me, you can just look at the landscape of college football. I'm dig. Right. I'm just telling you, like, it's actually dick riding to me to hone in on them when there's just so many other examples.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Of this type of stuff happening all over college football. I will say two things changed to me. Number one, the explosion of college football over the last 10 or 15 years as a cultural sport got more people involved in it. Right. And two, and this is interesting, when you listen to some of the stuff that was coming out of, like, you know, the Texas test guys that was talking and stuff like that, these guys got activated in a way that they weren't before. Like, these guys got activated when it became a flex to do this, when it became something that was culturally acceptable to do this, when it became a part of who you were to have like a college football team be dominant. A lot of these guys were activated in a way that they weren't before. Like, you're talking about the Ellison and Oil guys and all of that stuff.

[A]

Like the elites now view this as a way to kind of own a team without owning a team.

[B]

They actually view it just like that. They cannot. Some of them don't have inroads into being NFL owners. Yep. This is the NBA owners or NBA owners or whatever. It's. Some of this stuff is about, you know, owning a really, really expensive racehorse. And they're involved in a way. And if that is the case, which is always something that people talked about, if that isn't the case, the SEC outside of a couple of schools is at a disadvantage. Like, there are a lot of Rich alumni that went to and have gone to lsu. That is a fact. Right. The richest guy in Louisiana right now, Todd Graves, the raising canes guy, he's up like $22 billion or something.

[A]

Yeah, he's in commercials now.

[B]

In commercials now. Like there are a lot of rich people have gone to lsu. You. But if you start going around and comparing it to the rich that like went to SC or the rich that went to some of these schools in Texas, even like a smu.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like if you start comparing it to that, you about to start getting your boots smoked. And there are a lot of teams that are sleeping in regard to like having rich, well resourced alumni that if those people actually, if it becomes cultural to care about the football program like it did in Indiana, you're going to see a lot of those programs awaken very quickly.

[A]

Yeah. When you got Mark Cuban involved in Indiana football, it's a different level.

[C]

Well, that's the thing. I mean this year in Indiana, duke was the ACC champion in football. Vandy was a 10 win team. All these are schools that have the money.

[A]

I mean it was Duke versus Virginia.

[C]

It was Duke versus Virginia. Yeah. Now, so now that the market is known and set and they're like, oh yeah, we can compete on that. And also the one thing that you can't overlook too, because I agree with that, is that we don't have much time before realignment and the TV contracts change. And so there's gonna be a.

[A]

The SEC is gonna add two more teams at least.

[B]

Right.

[C]

There's gonna be a shift. And also some teams might get left out. And so you have to stay. That's why SMU is ponied up. They're like, we ain't even gonna take TV revenue. Like we'll do anything to be in your conference.

[A]

We just wanna be at the tv.

[C]

We'll level up our money and just do what we need to do. And so like, yeah, some schools are

[A]

gonna get left out and guess help the acc.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And there's something else here. The amount of money that it would. The amount of money that you would take to come to some of these schools. Right. Think about it like this. Let's say that back in the day, the market for a five star under the table type is 100 grand.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Let's say it's more. Sometimes it's more.

[A]

Cam Newton was reportedly 250,000.

[B]

Let's say it's 250,000.

[C]

So cheap.

[A]

Yeah, that's a great deal, let's say.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And that's a generational 10 for most of the guys. It's not gonna be that. The question is not how much money it would take to get you to Auburn. The question is how much money would it take to get you to Indiana? How much money would it take to get you to Vanderbilt? How much money would it take to get you to a place that is not a football factory to where you gonna go and get your motherfucking head beat in for three or four years? It's gonna affect your draft status, it's gonna affect your love for the game and all of that. Would you have taken $200,000 to go to Vanderbilt? Would you have taken $200,000 to Go to Indiana? Would you have taken $200000 to go to, I don't know, UCLA or whatever a school that's not. No. That changes when that number is a million dollars.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like when that number is a million dollars 15 or something like that. You like it now I'm going. And if the number is three or four, then definitely. Right. And that number also changes downstream. When you see that they're buying other players or putting together other players, that means that maybe you don't have to get your head beat. It just changes everything. And it will be like this forever. And so those teams and those other places, you can't bitch about it. It was reasons why you was a blue blood.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Some of that was luck. Some of that was fucking slavery. I'm just being for real. Some of that was luck. Some of that was the concentration of black people and stuff like that. Some of that was luck. And now there are other reasons that there might be new blue bloods and can you compete in this era?

[A]

Yeah. And Kirby Smart was saying, just in the same conversation, he was like, The Alabamas of 2012, 2014, 2016, whatever you want to point to. He said they would destroy some of these teams that are the top teams right now because of the fact they had so much depth. And now like every team. Yeah. One or two deep and you got guys that are getting bought off that your third string safeties.

[C]

Much easier to give away Chargers than to have to pay Everybody, you know, $850,000.

[A]

Of course. Well, especially when you have a deal with the local dealership tax write off

[B]

or to get somebody a job at like a fucking, you know, a restaurant in Baton Rouge or a car dealership or that they don't have to go

[C]

to move their whole family across the country.

[A]

Yeah, we got you a house. Your. Your dad got a job here. You know, he's a big donor and he works on refrigeration. And now you got some sort of cushy job at the refrigeration plant, whatever it is.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, it's a lot of that. And look, I love that it's above the board and I love that these teams that have never had their chance before having a chance. And that's why Oklahoma State, they were looking at Mike Gundy bitch over there and they're like, man, we got to get our money up. Either we get our money up or we'll be down there in the new PAC 12 with Boise State.

[A]

Right. One thing just kind of a big picture thing that I wanted to kind of get your guys thoughts as we talk about all this. There's always kind of been this unwritten rule with recruiting, right. Even when you talk to guys that did get things handled for them, right. Everyone kind of just, they talk around it. They don't really get into the minutiae of it. They don't tell you what the actual story is. But now that everything has changed and we kind of see what the model is and we know what the model was before, do you think we ever get to a point where like, those stories, like those recruiting stories actually get told? You know, like, do you think Dominique Wilkins finally comes out and is like, here's why I went to Georgia and here's what they offered me, you know what I mean? Like, Design Williamson finally say, like, I got a house in this neighborhood in Durham and my family got put up there. Like, when do you think those stories will actually come out? Because, like, there's no shame in those stories now. And there's also, like, the gates are wide open. We kind of know what it was. But like, still there is this veil of like, don't talk about it. Right? Like, even with the Fab Five, like when I did Jalen's radio show, I was asking Jalen about, like, how did he go to Michigan, how did they come? You know, and they all just do like, oh, man, I love my visit. I love meeting with coach. You know, Coach Fisher was there, but. Exactly. They don't. They don't tell you the real stuff.

[B]

They also do talk about. About how much Edmonton is.

[C]

Right.

[B]

But.

[A]

But like, to a certain extent, right. So I, I just wonder when do we get to the point where, like, the veil is pulled back? Do we ever get there?

[C]

I guess I think it kind of depends. I mean, because I think that's fascinating. I feel like we've heard a lot of stories. But some dudes, a G, like Eric Dickerson, he's like, I'm never telling y' all how I.

[A]

Right. You know, they'll go to their grave with that.

[C]

He'll go to grave.

[A]

It's like Mafioso.

[C]

Yeah. He's just like, yeah. He's like, because I took the money under those sort of circumstances, and I think kind of, it is kind of cooler to be like, I'll never. I don't have to tell you that. And how that all went down. It's part of the lore. Some people are just more excited to talk about it and, you know, let people know that there was a time in their life when they were coveted. So I don't. I think that we're going to. But so, like, see somebody like Zion, I don't think. I don't like if you went to Duke. I think part of the bargain is that you probably don't. You don't talk about that.

[A]

Well, that's.

[C]

It's always impede Coach K. Well, of

[B]

course, I also think it has to do with the individual's relationship to the school. If you are someone who thinks of yourself or has become a part of the culture of that school, then you want people to believe that it was more than just money that made that happen.

[A]

Yeah, right. You love the kids. They weren't cheating when it was cheap.

[B]

Right. Like, you wanna.

[A]

We actually were the good guys.

[B]

Or you want people to believe I'm always a sooner. I'm forever a Longhorn.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm always a Trojan. Like, you want people to believe that. Right. And if you tell stories about, hey, they gave me $150,000, and they're gonna be like, you ain't always a Trojan. You always green. Now, what you might see are some of the people that have more tenuous relationships with their programs. Like somebody maybe like Terrell Pryor or somebody, maybe that they lost, their coach was gone or something like that. Somebody that. That, you know.

[A]

But then those always get dismissed as like, oh, he's a disgrunt.

[B]

I know, but. But they. We shouldn't dismiss. Yeah, those are the ones that you are going to hear and are going to have the authenticity and really the daring in telling of those narratives that. That you are looking for. Those are going to be the people, not the people that are leading the parade and calling the post game and doing all of that stuff and go to all of the functions, but the people outside of it. They don't necessarily have any animus for the program, but that are far enough removed from the middle of the culture that they can speak about it honestly.

[C]

Ed Orgeron or somebody affiliated with a bunch of schools, right, because he's like, now he's all on his.

[B]

It's different for coaches, though.

[A]

See, the coaches have the same sort of like we. It's kind of like we talk about this behind closed doors.

[B]

If you're a coach and if. If you're a coach, that's at the end of your shit. That's one thing. But Ogeron wants to go get another job somewhere. So if he gets on the mic and starts spilling the his guts about everything that went on, people are gonna be like, we don't want people to know that type of shit.

[A]

I just don't think it's that, like, I just don't think it'll be like one of those things. Like, I think you'll almost be, you know, people will appreciate the honesty and the fact that you're willing to talk about it. It's so funny. Like, when I did this five star thing, you would get the coaches like, you know, Seth Greenberg or Brendan Malone or whatever, and they would tell like the fantasized version of like, oh, Grant Hill came into camp, he wanted to go to George Washington, and then we convinced him that he was good enough to go to Duke. And you have this whole story. And then like, I would talk to the Nike exec and he's like, yeah, I mean, we're boots on the ground and like, we're trying to get these kids to go to certain schools, right? So like, they were getting steered by Nike, Puma, Converse, Adidas, whatever it is. And like, that was the real underbelly of it all. And then you have like the fantastical version of it, which is like the one we sell to the fans, the one we sell to the media, the one we sell. You know what I mean? So to get both sides of those stories, you're like, the truth is somewhere in between. But like, for whatever reason, we can't talk about it.

[C]

Yeah, again, it really does. Yeah. It really depends on what your reputation was and what you staked their name on at the time.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

UCLA does not like to talk about Sam Gilbert, of course, in building that dynasty.

[A]

And Wooden, like, I know a bunch of wooden guys out here and like, they're all like, wooden. Did not like the Sam relationship. He kind of kept his head in the sand and kind of knew that it was kind of like, you know, blue chips. He was like, he knew Happy was doing what Happy was doing. But, like, he didn't want to know about it.

[C]

Right, right, right. Yeah. So, I mean, again, guys like that, I think people will be very careful about protecting their reputation. Like schools like SMU or players like Rashad, you know, Rashad McCants or somebody like that. I can see them kind of blowing off a little steam and just talking about that.

[B]

And by the way, you know, some of this stuff is. Some of this stuff is softer than it comes off. There are bags of cash and cars and jobs. Then they're just like, you go to this place and you never pay. You like these. This is the infrastructure of taking care of that. You get coming to this place.

[A]

You got houses on campus that you live at, whatever.

[B]

Go to this place, you never pay. You go. You. You. You get this. You never pay. You're around here, you never pay.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Going back to the Publix thing, the Publix thing with James Winston was probably most likely a glitch in the communication that one person at the Publix didn't know about.

[A]

He's good to get crab legs whenever he wants, right?

[B]

He can get crab legs whenever he wants. James, it's probably.

[A]

He just walked out.

[B]

He walked in there with the crab legs. Like, I'm jacking the crab legs today. What happened is the guys from Florida State get to have crab legs whenever they want to get a piece of fried chicken.

[A]

Whatever they want.

[B]

Yeah, whatever they want. They go in there and they get it. They leave with the crab legs. And somebody didn't get the memo. I was like, hey, this stole crab legs, right? Somebody make them pay.

[A]

He didn't know. It was a far to say he

[B]

didn't know what's going on. But I'm saying so there. So all of this stuff, now it's gone, right? Now it's gone. But all of this stuff. There was an infrastructure in taking care of these players, and you had people that were in charge of making sure that they were comfortable in these different places.

[A]

And it's also tough because back then, like, if that was an example, like, you still didn't have the money that you needed to survive, so you had to rely on these places. So therefore, you were even more tied to the institutions, and they had more power over you, which is what made it all disruptive. And now, like, if you have your own money and you're making a million dollars, like, I'll go buy whatever I need to go buy. Right. You're good.

[C]

Yeah. You can establish your own stuff and not be tied to anybody. Like, when it's time for you to cash in. And they're like, hey, I gave you money, pay me back and all that kind of stuff. So it's, the system is so much better now. I know it frustrates people, but having it above board I think really works out better for everybody on both sides. But I also don't want to shit on the people that was paying before, man.

[A]

I mean, I just think it's a fascinating. I think the whole model that was there is so kind of like known through conversations when you talk to different people, like you get like a little like, I've tried to piece it all together in my own existence in this world and, and you know, you got little nuggets and tidbits, but I just think at some point maybe people can talk about it, but we'll see. Speaking of Michigan's Kyle Whittingham came out. He predicts 12 to 15 schools will have $50 million rosters after the 2027 recruiting cycle. He said, quote, there are a few schools that can weather that, but not many. So it's already unsustainable for most schools and it's only going to get more so until we come up with a model that provides some guardrails and works for everyone in quote. So we got to the bags of cash for $250,000. So now we're going to have 50 million dollar rosters for 12 to 15 schools.

[B]

F million. Let me ask you guys a question. What year do you think it will be when college football has its first 100 million dollar roster? So right now he's saying that we're, we're, they're saying LSU's at 40.

[A]

This is before, like I, I think they're gonna have to collectively bargain at some point and there's going to be a salary cap.

[C]

I don't think, I don't think it'll get to 100.

[B]

You don't think they'll ever.

[A]

I think there will be a CBA before they get there. Yeah, that's what I think.

[C]

Same, same.

[B]

And who will be?

[A]

I think, I think 70 is a number. I think when they get to a 70, when it's like Ohio State's spent $70 million on this roster and they just bought Michigan star quarterback.

[B]

I understand what you guys are talking about. Who's going to be doing the complaining?

[A]

I mean, that's a great question. Yeah, I guess that is.

[C]

Well, no, the people. The same people that are doing it now. The schools that don't have the money

[A]

to do that and the fans of

[C]

those schools, the coaches, the administrators, stuff like that. And because, I mean, even the people that are participating are complaining right now, like, we just can't keep doing this. We can't keep spending.

[A]

Everybody does the one with me act.

[C]

Yeah, they want, they, they, they want to get a reign in this money in right now. And so I assume it's going to happen within the next two to three years.

[A]

What would you say?

[B]

Yeah, so what you guys are saying is going to happen is probably going to happen, but if it didn't happen, I think by 2030 or 2031, you would get to a place where you get 80 to 100 million.

[A]

I mean, it's an exponential growth. I mean. Yeah, because at this 20 million was crazy. Now we're at 40 million.

[B]

You know, the money, the, the money that's being poured into the sport is coming because the explosion of interest in the sport, but also because of people's connection to like, the players and the stories of the players and the players becoming all of this, this is perfect storm of college football stuff that's happening. People talk about what's happening on the field and the, the conferences and all of that stuff, but we know the players more now. Like there's more emphasis on their lives. College football has now become a sport that is. Doesn't have an off season. So there are more narratives, which makes these guys bigger celebrities, which makes them more valuable, and that value will just continue to go up. It's almost as good for college football when a really expensive player fails.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Because that's such a huge story.

[A]

And March Manning this year, until we got it, until we got it back.

[C]

The Brendan Sorsby thing. Yeah.

[B]

The interest is what's fueling a lot of these things through the roof. You want to watch what's going to happen, how Texas Tech is going to look if they have to start somebody. You want to see all of these things, and these are storylines that frankly just didn't exist in the past.

[C]

Yeah, absolutely. And I, I also think, I mean, again.

[A]

And then Carson Beck. Right. Going from a failure and a joke in the off season to a national championship appearance. Right. I mean, that's another redemption story. That's fascinating.

[C]

Right. I mean, the thing is that I think that's going to happen is that schools are already sort of correcting for the market now. Like they're paying a lot of money. I don't think. I still think that they're going to get a rain on it because in just talking to people in the field, it's like they're already like, you can't ask me for that much money. A market is getting established now and the schools are getting a little bit more familiar with. This is what you should spend on a backup guard. This is what you should spend on a third quarter, a third corner, or a slot receiver.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, quarterbacks is like the cap on a quarterback seems to be like 8 million. That's the most that you would pay for a quarterback. And then. But like, I remember when Drake May was going to come back to North Carolina and they were like, Georgia offered him 6 million, Ohio State offered him 6 million. And at the time in 2022, you're like, they're offering $6 million. You know, and now it's like, oh, that's kind of market. That's like what, the market?

[C]

Top end market.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Right. Quarterbacks.

[B]

Right. And you have people. I mean, Drake May had a gigantic NFL future ahead of him. So this decision he was able to make worked out for him. He ended up in the Super Bowl Right. After a couple years.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But you're gonna have guys that realize that that's exactly. Shut the up. Like, you're gonna have guys that are gonna realize that that's not a thing for them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so they're gonna want to stretch these college football careers out as long as they can.

[A]

Like our guy TJ Finley.

[B]

Like I got.

[C]

But my boy Nico, he needs to stay in College.

[B]

Nico T.J. finley. But what comes along with that is the continuous making of a college football celebrity while you were there. Because it's not just the money that you're getting from your nil, from your school or whatever. It's also the other money that you're going to get just being a college football celebrity. A celebrity that you will cease to be the moment that you're drafted into the NFL. It will then be gone.

[A]

Then people are like, where did he play?

[B]

Where'd he play? What did he do? Yeah, think about it. Johnny Manziel, gigantic celebrity. All it takes is a couple of subpar NFL seasons. Fucking ended up fucking around. And John Manziel is still like, famous.

[A]

But, like, how much could he have made come out off his Heisman season? Going into that would have been nuts. I mean, it probably been $20 million.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. And I, for instance, and probably would

[A]

have got bald by Alabama.

[C]

I'm totally fine with Ty Simpson deciding to go into the draft because he probably looked at the draft the next year and it's like, I don't know what will happen and that's another year

[A]

for people and I'm a guaranteed number two or whatever.

[C]

But the argument for staying is that he would have probably made more money this year.

[A]

He got offered 6 million to go

[C]

to a Miami and he would have had a lot of fun and probably competed for a national championship. But again, you know, they are going to have these decisions to make.

[A]

Yeah. And college is a lot of fun, especially when you're a millionaire. So, you know, a lot of people talking about it. Florida Gators head coach John Sumrall was asked about being bold eligible next year and he said, quote, we better be or I'm going to be up on the roof of the stadium getting ready to do something stupid in quote. That is crazy, right?

[B]

That is nuts.

[A]

Yeah, I just, I just thought that was like that type. That was a newsworthy.

[C]

Let's go over the schedule. So they play. They open with Florida Atlantic. So that, that could be a win. Right?

[A]

That's. That's. I think that's a win. Campbell next week the Camels shout out that's a win at our loss. Really?

[C]

They got a new coach too, though.

[A]

I know, but at Auburn's tough.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

I think Auburn's gonna be better next year.

[C]

So then they got Ole Miss next year.

[A]

Lost.

[C]

I mean, next week, two and two at Missouri.

[B]

That's a tough game.

[A]

That's a tough game, too.

[C]

Are you thinking two and three?

[A]

All right.

[B]

They'll probably lose that game.

[A]

I'll saddle up for two and three. South Carolina.

[C]

South Carolina loss. Two and four. It home.

[A]

Is that at home? All right.

[B]

Second. Wait a second. Wait a second. Yeah, they should.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Lose to South Carolina. I don't know. But, but they, they, they.

[A]

South Carolina has to be better next year.

[B]

They could very easily be two and four at this point.

[C]

Two and four. Okay. At Texas, that's. They lose two foul.

[A]

Georgia lost.

[B]

Lost.

[C]

Oklahoma lost. Lost. So. So we're saying 2 and 7.

[A]

He's on that roof. He sounds like. That's what I mean. That's where the quote kind of got me. Like, I was like, this isn't good.

[C]

This is, this is, this is the stretch of the tournament. Oklahoma at home.

[A]

At home is at home.

[B]

Oklahoma coming off of.

[A]

Coming, coming off a Georgia loss. Maybe they get. Let's give them a W. Okay, that's fine.

[B]

That's a tough game.

[C]

Three and seven.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. Okay. At Kentucky.

[A]

Let's give them a win. Even though I think Kentucky's going to be better next year.

[C]

So then we. Now we got Vanderbilt maybe Vanderbilt tapers

[A]

back down a little bit.

[C]

Five and seven.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I just. Clarkly. I just. Yeah. I don't know, man.

[A]

Yeah, they might not.

[B]

This is a tough schedule to have

[A]

that quote and have this schedule is pretty wild.

[C]

That's what I'm saying. I just wouldn't. And they closed with Vanderbilt and at Florida State which is also going to

[B]

be like I think Florida State. I don't know what to make of them quite yet.

[A]

I don't either.

[C]

I wouldn't have. If I see I'm. I'm much more dubious about the Summerall era than everybody else.

[B]

But find the six wins. I mean look, we. There's.

[A]

We're still in two and O star

[B]

in the part of the season where we don't know what we don't know about these teams.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like we have to do a lot more grinding of tape and looking.

[A]

Gotta grind that tape.

[C]

Tape.

[B]

But we don't know what we don't know. But like Florida over these past couple of seasons have been hit with some real doozies. Now some of these other teams have a lot of questions too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But there are not six sure Fire wins in that schedule, man.

[C]

It's a. It's a better schedule than they've had when in the previous years they had like the hardest schedule in the country.

[B]

Right.

[C]

It's a little bit better, but it's still hard. And I don't know what they've got to lean on right now. They lost DJ Lagway so we're gonna see the tremble. Aaron Filo I think is a recruit. The transfer from Georgia Tech. Apparently he's been pretty good and Florida has a lot of talent.

[A]

I mean they really do.

[C]

Those receivers. Dallas Wilson is going to be coming back. All those guys.

[A]

Every team in the SEC has talent.

[C]

A lot of talent. I mean I just. Yeah. I would not. But you know, if he has to say that to get people excited, I'm

[A]

just saying Year one, that is a wild quote.

[B]

The Auburn game is winnable for them.

[C]

I think they should win the Auburn game.

[A]

Yeah. And that's obviously a battle of the two coaches that they were going after too with Golish and Sumral.

[C]

So I mean it's going to be a close. I don't think that would be.

[A]

And goal is beat them last year when he was at usf. So that was the game with Byron Brown. Yeah. That's the. That's who sent them down a dark path. So I don't know that that's a. That's a Dark quote. So I saw that and I was like, wow, that's. That's something there. Next up, Class of 2027, running back Deuce Jones. Drew, the son of Maurice Jones. Drew is committing to UCLA.

[B]

Fantastic. Was. Was. He's. What is he, five, eight, one, nine zero?

[A]

Yeah, something like that. He's a three star. But this was more of a legacy play. UCLA's just been racking up.

[C]

They've been killing it.

[B]

Yeah, they're going crazy. The question about whether or not they were going to be able to get kids to come out there and play at ucla, it's seemingly being answered.

[A]

I mean, and there were a lot of fans there that were excited about UCLA football.

[C]

UCLA is number four for the 2027 recruit rankings.

[A]

What are the top four?

[C]

Oklahoma, Texas A&M. USC.

[A]

Nice.

[C]

UCLA, Notre Dame.

[B]

UCLA has been. USC has been recruiting their asses. They really have to, like, at a certain point, you gotta make these sort of games evident on the field.

[C]

Oh, I. I mean, Lincoln got a win. Lincoln has to contend for a playoff birth next year.

[A]

100%, I don't think.

[C]

I don't think he's.

[A]

Especially losing the Notre Dame game. Like, that was such a big cultural loss as far as USC fans out here. So he's got to deliver the goods for them to be happy. They're already a little unhappy. And then you got UCLA guys getting some mojo in the same city. So.

[B]

Yeah, he can't.

[C]

He can't let them close the gap on him like that.

[A]

Yeah, and he got paid a lot of money. He was the first Lane Kiffin as far as getting the $100 million.

[C]

I've been shocked at how poorly he's done that. I mean, it's not.

[A]

Last year, the running backs all getting hurt was tough. I mean, they've had some wonky breaks.

[C]

They've had some bad breaks. Yeah, they have.

[B]

Deuce had all the big west coast offers. He did ucla, he had Arizona, California, Utah, smu. He had a lot of big schools. He didn't have like, any of the Texas schools or anything like that. But. But, I mean. And no sc. But this is the class of the old school. Well, not the class of it, but these are high fucking schools. These are like, you know, legit D1s.

[A]

And it wasn't a foregone conclusion he was going to go to UCLA and following his Dad's footsteps.

[B]

High D1s, as they would say in basketball. They don't say that in football.

[A]

Yeah. Why not? We can say it.

[B]

Can you say it in football, high D1.

[A]

You want to.

[B]

These are high D1.

[A]

I think we try to like join the conversation points, you know, across both sports. Why not? Let's have some fun with it. Last story that I had in the top five, John Wall, president of basketball operations at Howard University. He's returning to D.C. to partner with the top ranked HBCU in the country. So shout out to the Bison. Shout out to John Wall. I just thought that was a fun story.

[B]

It was a fun story.

[A]

We want John Wall in the show. I think that was the other lead.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Allison Astin us. And we did reach out at one point, but we're going to get him on the show.

[C]

We love it, man. He, I mean, he, he follows college basketball really close.

[A]

Oh, man, he's locked in. Yeah, they're GM there. Daniel Mark's great, dude. I mean, Howard's got. Howard's got a little bit of juice of a.

[C]

Of the like, low, as. Would that be considered low? D1. Low. What is Howard?

[B]

It's a HBCU, I think.

[A]

I mean, they make the NCAA tournament. They made the tournament this year.

[C]

Yeah. Well, I'm just saying in terms of resources, but.

[A]

Yeah, but like you talk about alumni, Howard's got some powerful alumni.

[B]

Howard has a one billion dollar.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. They got some money at Howard.

[C]

They have a chance to stand out. Unlike a lot of other.

[A]

I would say Howard's in a better spot than Georgetown right now as far as their basketball program.

[C]

Well, I was talking about this with somebody. I was like, when is the last time talking about Georgetown basketball, dog?

[A]

Yeah, exactly. It's tough, man.

[B]

I'm gonna be honest with you, man. Shout out to Howard, man, on some real. Shout out to Howard. Shout out to Spellman. Shout out to more High House.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

When I see Howard as the hbcu, when I see this, when I see Howard has a one billion dollar endowment, man, that's amazing. That's crazy to me, dog. Like, that's crazy to me, man. Southern million. Southern University endowment. Nine million bucks, bro. Like, like at $9 million, bro, I say it all the time. You can't even get a backup guard in the NBA for $9 million, man. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you. That's like Jay McDaniels is. I mean, he's not a backup, but like, nigga, going past our endowment, a billion dollars, do you feel like Joel in the HBU situation? Do you feel like Howard? I don't know, man. Sometimes I feel like Howard and These other schools. Wait a minute. Has our endowment gone down? I feel like Howard and these other schools that maybe they shouldn't even be compared to Southern. That gap is crazy.

[A]

That's high level.

[C]

Well, yeah, there's like your elite, well funded schools that like got money from. The kind of school that Bill Cosby would have given money to. You know, there's the schools that built.

[A]

He was a big temple guy, right?

[C]

Yeah. There's money that Bill.

[B]

He gave to the money to hbc.

[C]

Oh, he did?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

There's the schools that Bill Cosby gives money to. And then there's the schools that he went to. Lindsay. What's her name? Not Lindsay Bay. What's her old girl?

[B]

It's about Mackenzie Bay.

[C]

Mackenzie Bezos. Yeah. Like she. Then she gives to like all the other ones, like for Fayetteville State.

[A]

I mean, the Gates Foundation.

[C]

Yeah. Uapb. So that's the kind of. That's to me, sort of the dividing line. But Howard has a lot to offer, man. You know, of course my wife went to Howard and it's just.

[A]

How many times have you been to Howard since You've been in D.C. you went this past fall, right?

[C]

You went twice?

[A]

Yeah, twice.

[C]

Yeah, I've been twice.

[B]

You know what's interesting about Howard? So Southern is 95% black. 95% black.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

What percentage would you guys say that Howard is black?

[A]

83.

[C]

99.

[B]

Joe.

[A]

I'm gonna go 84.

[B]

69.

[C]

What? Wow.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

69 black. Wait, are these people 10% white, 6% Hispanic, 5% foreign national, 5% other 4%.

[A]

There are white kids at my high school that would like, like get scholarships to go to Howard. You know what I mean?

[C]

Really? They weren't just playing baseball or some like that?

[A]

Nah.

[B]

There was one kid that played economic diversity here. Low income students make up about 41% of Howard. Affluent students make up about 60% of Howard.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Southern University. Low income students. Low income students make up. Hold on. This is just this. When we talking about this, I just want y' all to know it's different. It's not the same. When we talking about Southern University. It. Low income students make up here. I just had it up here. What the 71 of the student body. Affluent students make up 30%. And I wonder who they are. He was on the yard.

[C]

Those are the kids.

[B]

I wonder who they are.

[A]

But you guys got Marsha Falls.

[C]

Y. That's the kids of a love like

[B]

president taught shout out to Vic and Leon. They. Their dad was the. You say yeah, yeah. You don't know who these are?

[A]

I just said. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Like Vic and Leon Tarver. That dad was the president of Southern.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And they were the homeboys. They used to be hell on them hoes.

[A]

But you got Marshall Falk.

[B]

Marshall Falk.

[A]

That's what I'm trying to say.

[C]

I mean, yeah, Southern has some stuff, but, yeah, the money part of it again, like, I, I, I covered the story of Grambling when they boycotted. I mean, that was 2013, because of the facilities and stuff. Those schools are struggling, man. I mean, states have systematically underfunded these schools, and the people, the clientele that they serve are people that don't have the money to give a lot of money back. Right.

[A]

So it's good when you see a guy like John. I mean, obviously, a billion dollar endowment. Howard doesn't really need it.

[C]

Seriously.

[A]

Cause, you know, I think he will.

[C]

Shaq was the guy at Sacramento Stack. They got Mikey Williams.

[A]

Yeah. There's a lot of these people that have these vanity jobs. Like Steph Curry is the assistant GM at Davidson. Right. Like, there's Master P was, I think the Trey Youngs at Oklahoma.

[C]

Yeah. Master P was the GM for Uno.

[A]

Hey, Master P interviewed for the Arizona State head coaching job.

[C]

He did?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He was like, basketball.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That's. What? That's crazy.

[A]

Percy Miller.

[C]

I mean, his. Both. I mean, his boys.

[A]

I got a Percy Miller Hornets jersey.

[C]

You do?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Damn.

[B]

I got one, too.

[A]

No limit.

[C]

You used to, Used to display it in your office.

[B]

It's signed by people.

[A]

That's what's up.

[B]

That's your boy signed by P. That's my man.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. I went to the Wooden Award ceremony, and he had his son there. Mercy Miller. And Kyle and I were there, and Masterpiece sat with us the whole time. He was just chopping.

[C]

Yeah. Super nice.

[B]

I got the hookup. Holla if you hear me.

[A]

Oh, man. But there you have it. Top five stories. Any parting shots? Anything else before we. We gotta let Joel go to his next podcast. That is more priority. Billy, you have any parting shots for us? No. I mean, I'm glad I saw you guys this week. Even though Joel was in and out, he didn't really want to hang out with us. Joel, dinner tomorrow night, Family dinner.

[C]

Family dinner. Wednesday. Everybody be there.

[A]

No, Wednesday. I thought you said Tuesday is Tuesday. Today is Tuesday. So tomorrow.

[C]

You said you couldn't do it tomorrow.

[B]

Tomorrow. Tomorrow. Is it Thursday or.

[A]

Tomorrow's Wednesday.

[B]

Tomorrow's Wednesday. So, yeah, we'll do it Wednesday.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

When is this coming out?

[A]

This is coming out tomorrow.

[B]

Tomorrow. Okay, Tomorrow, Thursday.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

So we're going to dinner tonight?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

So we're going to dinner Wednesday or Thursday. We're going to dinner Wednesday, but that's tonight. As far as when this is.

[A]

Yeah, that's right.

[C]

Yeah, that's right. When this is.

[A]

So if you're listening to this right now, we are at dinner, hopefully. Or Joel has decided not to go to dinner. Or he's with his cousin.

[C]

Yeah, okay.

[A]

Or Joel's having dinner with his cousin.

[C]

Yeah, man. Well, she. I mean, my cousin Hope. My beautiful cousin Hope, who is a Howard grad. Hope. Okay. And she works. She works on what did she work on studios or something? She works at some studio around here, so she's a very outstanding young lady. I, I, she's the baby cousin in my family. I'm one of the older cousins in that generation, and I feel like I. It's my duty to bring my family together now. Okay. I gotta take.

[A]

Sounds like another reason to move to Los Angeles.

[B]

Duty. You got a duty to move out here to Los Angeles, okay.

[A]

For your family.

[C]

You all have got and beyond. You guys have got to help me, you know, make a good argument, you know, and, and talk me up so that I can.

[A]

I think you need two years in your current house so you'll feel happy.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Maybe you get one of those big fogs for your backyard.

[C]

Oh, bro, I got to get the big fog.

[A]

Yeah. If you don't know what a big fog is, go look it up. Joel wants one for his house.

[C]

Backyard, man.

[A]

Yeah, mister, but, yeah, you get that for one year, then year three, you move out here, ringer, tailgate, takes off.

[C]

Okay. I mean, I, I'm not against it that I'm all right. I'm for that plan.

[A]

So the one big question was answered at the end.

[C]

I, I can't make any promises.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

But definitely, I mean, there's a lot of stuff that's got. I mean, look, I got it. Make the right money, you know what I'm saying? All that's got to get figured out. So hold out.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Layon bell of the ringer right here.

[C]

You got to negotiate publicly sometimes. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Yeah. Just put it out there. Time. Yeah. It's now the time to be doing that.

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

Well, you got a conspiracy podcast to go on. You can go bring up some of those points on that. All right, Van, Any parting thoughts? Anything else?

[B]

Nah, man. All I got to say is, you know, we some G's Man, Baby Joel's a J energy.

[A]

Great to have you in la. Yeah, Billy, great to have you in la. It's been fun. It's been a fun time.

[C]

When is, Billy, when you commit to moving to LA the same year.

[A]

That was not the one big question.

[C]

Do you commit to moving because you got a lot going on.

[A]

If I've learned anything this weekend, don't make any plans submitted to you. Oh, if I'm planning based on you, that it's going to change 50 times. It's going to get up in the air. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

I'm. I'm the only reason that we all hung out, bro.

[B]

Hey, I gotta say one thing before we leave.

[A]

What?

[B]

Sayu, Jiri was asked if Jason Kid will be the coach of the math. He said he spoke with Jason Kid yesterday, we'll meet with him again, but said we're going to look at this thing from head to toe.

[C]

Oh, man.

[A]

Damn.

[C]

Damn, man. If I was. If I was a Maps fan, I'd be so mad. I would never. I would never get over it. You know what Luca thing does, everything that has happened since then, I would just.

[A]

I mean, they got Cooper flag.

[C]

I mean, that is a real good.

[A]

I mean, that's about consolation.

[C]

That is a huge consolation. That worked out, but it just didn't have to be like that.

[B]

But I'm gonna be real man. If I'm fucking Jason Kidd or anybody, and they ask whether or not you want me to coach, and he goes, oh, we gotta take a look at things from head to toe. It seemed like you gonna be the first assistant for somebody next year.

[C]

That's what it seemed like.

[B]

That's tough.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I wonder how many more jobs Jason Kidd can get as a head coach.

[B]

It's not gonna be.

[A]

I mean, he got him to the finals.

[B]

He got him to the finals and he's a good coach. But the reality is that if he doesn't achieve like a really, really good, you guess you could say he has like five, six year run with somebody, then the returns are going to be diminishing.

[A]

I mean, those Buck stories were pretty bad, pretty harrowing where they're like, he got rid of their Christmas break, wouldn't let them see their family. Obviously. All the shenanigans when he was with the Nets where he was like, getting people to run into him to spill ice on the court. Yeah, I mean, I love that.

[B]

I love that. That's heavy.

[A]

Yeah, he is a great point guard. There's no doubt about it. So he'll figure it out. But great story there. Nice little wrap up shout out to J Kid. Thanks to everybody for tuning in to ring your tailgate. We will be back next week a very fun episode of Tailgate Takeover. So we're excited for that and enjoy it. We'll see you then and hope everybody has a great week.

[C]

Week.

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