LIVE: Alabama Loses, Arch Manning Craters and More Week 1 Reactions

Summary

Ringer Tailgate: "LIVE: Alabama Loses, Arch Manning Craters and More Week 1 Reactions"

Date: August 31, 2025
Hosts: Tate Frazier (B), Van Lathan (C), Joel Anderson (D)
Main Theme:
A raucous, in-depth, and hilarious live breakdown of Week 1 in college football, pivoting around Alabama’s shocking loss to Florida State, Arch Manning’s disastrous starting debut, and broader implications for blue blood programs and their new eras. Alongside fiery banter and classic message board drama, the crew explores where college football’s power structure stands after a wild Saturday.

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Episode Overview

• The hosts go live as major upsets are unfolding—most notably, Florida State's stunning victory over Alabama.
• Discussion covers implications for new coaches like Alabama's Kalen DeBoer, rising programs, and whether fan expectations are realistic.
• In-depth breakdown of Arch Manning’s rocky debut as Texas's starting QB and how the media narrative affects perceptions.
• Lively side conversations touch on memes, fan meltdowns, "blue blood" panic, and other Week 1 headlines.

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1. Florida State Upsets Alabama: Saban Era Over, DeBoer on the Hot Seat?

[02:43]–[11:00]

Key Points:

• Atmosphere: The hosts are animated as Florida State wraps up a shocking upset against Alabama; real-time reactions to the changing tide in the game.
• FSU’s resurgence:
  • Joel admits, “I owe FSU an apology…This is no fluke. Florida State has controlled this game from the very start.” [03:06]
  • Van highlights why FSU’s performance isn’t a fluke—athletic QB, home crowd, underestimated talent.
• Alabama’s struggle:
  • Van: “Ty Simpson…has been in hell today. He’s played very tough…but it has been tough sledding… Bama has not dominated.”
  • The Kaylen DeBoer era is scrutinized for losing its invincibility:

    “Gone are the days when you step on the field and you just know you’re going to win. That's over. You are back amongst the mere mortals.” [06:09]

• Fan panic and expectations:
  • “This is not an unforgivable loss. It's early…but you can't lose this game.” [06:54] (Joel)
  • The idea that following a legend (Nick Saban) is an impossible task—and DeBoer was set up for outsized expectations.

Memorable Quote:

“Alabama Kardashian. You got to take the job…but you also have to know that it very rarely works out. You have to have a certain type of mindset to survive the scrutiny…”
— Van Lathan, [11:00] (using the Kardashians as a metaphor for taking the Alabama job)

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2. Arch Manning Meltdown: Generational Talent Or Bust?

[13:10]–[25:00]

Key Points:

• Media Hype vs. Reality:
  • Orlovsky’s tweet: “Imagine having a generational talent at quarterback and having the training wheels on all game long.” [14:18]
  • Van: “That tweet is fucking ridiculous…There’s just no reason at all to call Arch Manning a generational talent yet.” [14:47]
• Game Analysis:
  • Arch’s struggles: mechanics, “happy feet,” missed throws, never settled in.
  • Sarkisian called the game as if he didn’t trust Arch—suggests the coaching staff knows he’s limited.
  • Joel:

    “We have not seen anything that suggests he’s on the level of Michael Vick, Cam Newton…If you have to pick, it has to be 'generational bust.'” [17:12]

• Fairness of Criticism:
  • Van: “We also don’t have enough to say that he’s a generational bust…He’s a quarterback who’s going to need some time.”
  • Both hosts agree that Arch’s situation is not comparable to instant stars like Cam Newton or Tim Tebow—most QBs need a year or more to settle in.

Notable Exchange:

• Van, on media capture:

  “It’s indicative of the capture…the hype around Arch Manning has had over everyone, which is why they went so hard on him today when he’s just a kid in his first start…having a poor game.” [16:23]

• Joel, on expectations:

  “The one thing that I did not think would happen was this. It never occurred he could play that poorly.” [18:32]

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3. Texas vs. Ohio State: What Did We Learn?

[25:15]–[35:45]

Game Takeaways:

• Both teams looked young, unrefined, and disjointed on offense ("dud" of a game offensively).
• Van praises Ohio State’s defensive game plan—Matt Patricia “outcoached Sark.”
• The talent at Texas skill positions is debated; Parker Livingstone gets a (half-joking) “dog” endorsement for effort.
• Both hosts note that Texas’s defensive line looked strong; OSU struggled to run the ball.
• Jokes about blue-chip recruits, track times, and why certain receivers don’t strike fear into opponents.

Quotes:

• “This game just was an array of things to fix…poorly played at quarterback, poorly coached offensively.” — Van [35:00]

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4. Broader Week 1 Themes and Notable Player/Unit Performances

[35:45]–[41:42]

Key Points:

• Texas fans' coping mechanisms discussed—can this loss be spun positively?
• Early season panic around Alabama, with live message board reading:

  “It’s time to go to Oxford and get Kiffin…bench Ty now, move on, fire everyone…FSU isn’t even try good.”
  — Van, reading Alabama message board [39:12]

• Reflection on Alabama's decline from "invincible" status, and why early losses mean more for programs with sky-high expectations.

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5. Quick Hits and Rapid Reactions

[61:36]–[80:59]

Notable Segments:

• Tulane’s Katrina tribute drama: Van on tradition, New Orleans pride, and opponents denying Tulane’s jersey tribute, leading to their inspired victory. [58:58]
• Devin Hester Jr.’s 75-yard TD for Furman: Shouts for legacy watch; why isn’t he at Miami? [60:25]
• Colorado/Coach Prime/Jackson Arnold: Fun is back, but QB play is scrutinized for athleticism vs. “playing the position.” [61:33 & 64:41]

Quotes:

• “Letting people express their remembrance…would have been the classy move. They chose not to be classy. And they got put it on that assy.” — Van, [59:10], on Tulane’s opponent
• “If Devin Jr. pops a couple more like that, transfer portal gonna be calling, baby.” — Van, [61:08]

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6. Playoff "Cross-Offs," Redemption, and Early Season Hype

[69:40]–[73:20]

• Alabama and Boise State put under the microscope as possibly out of playoff contention.
  • Joel: “I don’t give a…what happens. There is no way that you can think that team is going to win 10 games this year.” [70:01]
  • Van thinks Boise’s playoff hopes are done based on a “disqualifying loss” to USF. [71:41]
• The playoff format’s new flexibility: “Losing one game doesn’t dictate the season…It's not like the old BCS.” — Tate [34:25]

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7. College Football Culture: Memes, Social Media, and Pandemonium

[45:48]–[50:46]

• Ric Flair absolutely eviscerates Paul Finebaum on Twitter for Arch Manning takes—read in full for comedic effect.
• Discussion on how social media and meme culture prime fans for instant schadenfreude when supposed “golden boys” flop on national TV.
• Van muses: “There’s one genre of disappointment that gets in people’s craw more than anything else. And that’s sports disappointment…when somebody has been told that somebody is the best thing since sliced bread….” [47:47]

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8. Game-Within-a-Game: In-the-Moment Banter & Traditions

[67:05]–[69:40]

• Real-time reactions to LSU–Clemson as it unfolds. Debates on Clemson’s “snitching” on a disciplinary suspension: “Snitching when you trying to get somebody to sit a half of football, man, you are…” — Van [68:18]
• Debate about best technological inventions—air conditioning vs. sliced bread vs. YouTube TV ($82 a month!).

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9. Notable Quotes and Moments (With Timestamps):

• "Gone are the days when you just know you’re going to win." — Van Lathan [06:09]
• "Imagine having a generational quarterback talent and having the training wheels on all game long." — Quoted Orlovsky tweet [14:18]
• "There’s just no reason at all to call Arch Manning a generational talent yet." — Van [14:47]
• "Alabama Kardashian... you gotta try it… but very rarely works out." — Van [11:00]
• "FSU has controlled this game from the very start…this is no fluke." — Joel [03:06]
• "This was a dud. It was a dud compared to great Ohio State-Texas games." — Van [25:15]
• "This program has been set back years. They're melting down over there." — Van, reading Alabama boards [39:12]
• "That was the disqualifying loss, in my opinion." — Van, on Boise State [72:30]
• "They got put it on that assy, and I'm happy that happened." — Van, on Tulane [59:10]

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10. Weekly Awards & Side Stories

• Celebrations for Kent State’s first win in two years; sympathy for their difficult situation as a MAC school getting poached in the new landscape. [75:43]
• Rapid-fire on coaching storylines (Rich Rodriguez at West Virginia), crowd atmospheres (Nebraska), and random Texas high school QB lore from Stephenville.

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Final Thoughts and What’s Next

• Van: “We have just as many questions as we have answers…and that's good for college football.” [85:14]
• Joel: “I don’t know what to make of Alabama or Florida State now... I thought I had more clarity.” [85:37]

The hosts promise deeper meme coverage and more reaction Wednesday, with the live chat robust and future Saturday live shows scheduled.

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For Week 1, the two major takeaways:

1. Alabama is mortal again—and the blue blood panic era is here
2. Arch Manning isn’t a bust or a generational talent—he’s a QB with a huge spotlight who’s (as of now) not ready for it

Listeners get an episodic, in-the-moment sense of college football’s chaos and comedy—if you only read this summary, you know what happened and why it matters, but you also want to listen for the sheer entertainment value.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Welcome to Ringer Tailgate. I'm your host, Tay Frazier, and welcome to our Saturday live show. We've been watching football all morning, started at 6:00am Pacific Time, and I'm joined as always by my guy, Van Lathan, and my guy as well, Joel Anderson. Good to see you guys. Van, you're on the west coast as well. Did you wake up at 6am for Lee Corso's final three hour rundown? It was, uh, it was a beautiful start to the day, a great day of college football.

[C]

I went to the gym, so I didn't see that. I. I went to the gym, but I did hear and I was watching while I was at the gym that Corso picked LSU to win the national championship. So.

[B]

That's right.

[C]

Shout out to Coach Coast Corso. He deserves the send off that he's getting. I recorded it, I'll watch it later so I could soak it in. But I'm just so. College football has started, man, and we off smoking. Smoking the season, man. Crazy.

[B]

And if we're being honest, right now we're live in the middle of a Florida State, Alabama potential major upset. We kind of flagged it on Wednesday as a potential major upset alert. If all things broke the right way for Tommy Castellanos. He said, Nick Saban can't save you. And he's not saving him right now. Joel, what are your thoughts right now? Just in the midst of this game, we'll get to the bigger storylines of the day, but my goodness, fsu. Are they back?

[D]

I owe FSU an apology on our show on Wednesday I said, oh, man, we're going to start feeling sorry for Mike Norvell and fsu. I'm up here thinking that Bama was going to beat their ass. But Florida, this is no fluke. Like, Florida State has controlled this game from the very start. And I'm like, so I was thinking about this. If you're a football player, whatever, and you got to, you know, if you're on the Bama team, what film are you looking at to prepare yourself for this? You're looking at old Gus Malzahn, Tate, you probably got Nick Marshall cut ups, you know, and maybe I'm looking at some Tommy Castellano shit. But it's like there's no way. There's no way to know how good this team is going to be until you're actually on the field with them. And it just looks like maybe Bama was taken taken aback by how. I mean, I don't know, man.

[C]

It's a. It's a. It's. You know what the thing is, it's a tougher game than people expected it to be. For all the reasons that games are normally tough. Yeah, for all the reasons that games are normally tough. If you have a. An athletically gifted quarterback with moxie who knows the scheme and can operate the scheme at home against a team that's coming to where you're playing with some new people, some new starters, breaking in a new quarterback. If there was any thought by the national media that these two teams were equal in talent and, or we're even close in talent, people would have looked at this game and been like, that's a tough game. But because that wasn't the thought, and because we have the exact opposite thought of Florida State than we had last year, last year everybody looked at Florida State and went, oh my God, look at all the dogs and the horses that they got. This is going to be an amazing team this year. They went, they don't have any dogs or any horses. This is not going to be a very good team. And it didn't click last year. And it seems to be unless, you know, they give this back. That is clicking right now.

[D]

FSU didn't score 24 against the FBS team last year, bro.

[B]

Great. Exactly. Joel, you read my mind. I'm like, this. This is definitely the most shocking result possible. They have 31 points on the board and we were about to go live as they were driving and then they just kind of casually scored another touchdown. If you watch the first drive of this game, too, Alabama was clinical. They Drove down the field. They took about seven minutes off the clock. It felt like FSU was. Was patting themselves on the back if they got a six yard, you know, stop. And then all of a sudden the game completely flipped as soon as Tommy Castellanos got on the field. I mean, I. I'm beyond shocked that this is reality that we're living in. But FSU fans are like, this is what we do. We're in do Campbell Stadium. It's a hard place to win.

[C]

There has got to be panic happening right now in Tuscaloosa for a couple of reasons. Number one, they were breaking in Ty Simpson, a quarterback that had waited his turn and done everything the right way. Great college football story. Loyalty, didn't leave sat behind players that were ballyhooed. Right now he's getting his turn. He's been in hell today. He's been in hell today. He's played very tough in this football game, but it has been tough sledding for him going right now. And Bama has not dominated in any of the places that people thought that they would dominate. And sneakily, they had all lot of guys out for this game. Like, you haven't seen Jam Miller in this game. You haven't seen some of the other guys that are there. So when you looked at it, when you took a step back and looked at it, you're like, huh? If Florida State can come to play and give a couple of wrinkles and if they're better at a couple of places than we thought they were going to be, it was going to be a tough game for Bama and it's proved to be a tough game for Bama, man. So if. If you're wondering right now what the Kaylin DeBoer era is going to be at Alabama, it's going to be this. Gone are the days when you step on the field and you just know you're going to win. That's over. You are back amongst the mere mortals. And I could not be happier.

[D]

Well, I was gonna say, like, this is. I wouldn't say this is an unforgivable loss. It's an early part of the season, right? But like, how many more, how many more losses do you think Kaylin DeBoer can take before it's like, all right, that's it. Because clearly the thing is it was always going to be unreasonable to expect him to pick up and pick up with Nick Saban left off, right? Like, that's just right. That's unprecedented. Nobody is ever going to be as good as Nick Saban was for as long as he was. That's just unrealistic. That's just not going to happen. But you can't lose this game. Right. And then, I mean, they got, they got beat up by a bad OU team last year. Like, what are you looking at? If you're a Bama fan and you got unreal, unrealistic expectations already, what are you looking at that you hold on to and you say, oh, yeah, well, this bodes well for the future.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I guess you're saying it's a long season. That's the, that's the only way to cope.

[C]

Yeah, it's a long season. We don't know how Florida State is going to compete in the acc. This loss might not be that bad of a loss as we look back on it. Right. God forbid I would crush a, a crush a coach or a program for losing its opening game. I don't have that. I don't have. I can't do that. But for this, I think there is. Kaylin DeBoer was going to do two things at Alabama. Either Kaylin DeBoer was going to come in at Alabama and say, I'm going to lead Bama in a new area of dominance in a different way.

[D]

Right.

[C]

Which is his way, and he was going to make people believe that, or he was going to go back to what I said a second ago. He was going to have Bama in a situation where they have great talent, they can collate great talent, but people don't feel as untouchable and invincible about their program anymore. Where you walk on that field and you're not as intimidated by the uniform, by the a, by anything, by Brian Denny, by any of that stuff. And the book is not written on this. He's coached a season and a game. But if you're looking at it, that team is out there getting pushed around by Florida State. They're out there getting the ball ran on them. They're out there getting their quarterback sacked and beat up by fsu.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And this is one of the call your shot games, Right. I mean, for Tommy Castellanos to actually say that quote, it was aggregated everywhere they talked about the bulletin board material. Nick Saban in the pregame on college game day said that he knew that it had been circulated around amongst the locker room. He was there a week ago giving a speech. So, like, Obama would have used that and destroyed Tommy Castellanos. Instead, it's gone the opposite way. Joel, I didn't mean to interrupt, but that's shocking.

[D]

I would have. I mean, the thing is, Kalen DeBoer is obviously. Well, yeah, he's obviously a good coach. Like, he's had fantastic coaching on stadium, Washington, whatever, but. And sometimes things can just be a bad cultural fit. Also.

[C]

The world has.

[D]

The foundation of the game has changed beneath him, right? Like, everything that's from the nil, from the house agreement to everything else. So it could just be that, you know, he needs a moment to catch his breath and they'll get it together. But right now, I'm looking at this and I'm like, bro, Seattle was really nice. That's a nice city.

[C]

Man.

[B]

The national championship game feels a long time.

[D]

You could win there. You were in the Big Ten. You know, like, I. When. When. When I found out that he was going to Bama in the first place, I was like, I get it. You know, pay raise to play at the highest level. But you were just in the national championship game. You prove you can win there, you can get guys to go to Seattle. Like, why would you leave this? Like, let somebody else follow Nick Saban, man.

[C]

Don't. Don't be that guy. See, this is the thing. You know, I used to look back when people was with the Kardashians when I worked at tmz. I don't know if you guys knew that I worked at tmz. It's not like people bring that up every single day of my life. Shut up, fan. You can't talk about how babies should grow up. You worked at tmz. Okay, I get it. But this was the thing about it. There was one family that was at TMZ that we really sort of made hay on. It's the Kardashians, right? And when a dude was about to start dating a Kardashian, you knew two things. Number one, he had to try it. Okay? You gotta take the job. The Kardashians, that. That's what. Alabama Kardashian. You got to take the job. You have to take the job. You up there in Seattle with your girl, you've. You guys have worked out together. You guys look the best that you're going to look together. You've gotten the most out of each other. Kim, Khloe, Courtney, Kylie, Kendall. Kylie, Kendall. One of them come around, they slide in your DMs. You, Chris, Chris, Chris. You gotta try it, right? You gotta try it. But you also have to know that it very rarely works out. It very rarely works out. You have to be of a certain type of disposition. You have to be a certain Type of physical stature, have a certain type of mindset to survive the scrutiny of dating one of those women in that family. It is a whole different ball game than the ladies you used to date. And for Kaylin DeBoer to be at Alabama, you gotta take the job, right? But when you take the job, you gotta know that you are in for a different ball game, a different animal. We'll see how the team responds to this. If. If the team responds to this in a way that's incredibly positive, if they rally around, like, if they get their hurt guys back, we'll see how they respond to this. But this is him kind of learning. I mean, you out there now, man. You. You on tmz, you with the Kardashians. See how you respond to it, you know?

[B]

Yeah, he's got the Miles Austin syndrome going on.

[C]

Oh, man.

[D]

You know, I mean, we have some dude. Reggie Bush, Chris Humphries, Chris Humphreys, Lamar.

[B]

Odom, number one player in his class.

[D]

James Harden got him.

[C]

But James Harden could handle it. There are guys that could handle it, right? James Harden could handle it. But it doesn't look like Bama right now. It's FSU has the ball. What are we, about two minutes left? It doesn't look like. It looks like Bama is going to catch this L. And the message boards in Tuscaloosa are going to go crazy.

[B]

Mike Norvell's high five. And already on the sidelines, he's smiling. And just for, you know, the redemption story there, I mean, the fact that FSU is the laughing stock of college football. It started last year in week zero, Georgia Tech beats him over in Ireland, and everybody's just talking about how long he will be at fsu. Who's the next coach at fsu? Big bounce back for him. Let's talk about the biggest story of the day, and I want to get a big reaction from you guys. Our one big reaction, of course, everyone is talking about Arch Manning. We got memes galore. We'll get into the memes on Wednesday. We will break down all the many memes that we have seen. But here's my favorite tweet. And Bill Simmons, our boss, reached out to us and wanted to get one big reaction for both you guys.

[C]

Yeah, I'm a contractor.

[D]

I didn't know. I thought that.

[C]

I'm a contractor. I gotta ask permission for everything. I gotta ask permission to have a little badge. I gotta ask permission for all of that. I don't know what y' all talking about there.

[B]

How about our confidant yeah.

[C]

You don't get.

[D]

You don't get the Spotify health insurance benefits and everything.

[C]

I'm paying that like cobra. Like I'm paying. I'm doing all this by myself. But, you know, I, you know, hey, you're working hard. I feel you.

[B]

But regardless, you got to give the reaction, one big reaction. Orlovsky puts. Orlovsky puts a tweet out this quote. Imagine having a generational quarterback, a talent at quarterback, and having the training wheels on all game long. So the question is this, and I want to get the reaction from you guys if you had to bet one or the other based on the first impression of his first start, Arch Manning. Generational talent. Generational bust. Van, I turn to you bust or talent.

[C]

So.

[B]

Or somewhere in the middle maybe, I guess could be another.

[C]

I don't know if he's a bus or a talent. I do know that that tweet is fucking ridiculous. That's a ridiculous tweet.

[B]

The lead. That's a. That's a generational tweet.

[C]

That's a. That is definitely a generational tweet, man. No disrespect directed towards Dan. He does a great job. I enjoy watching him.

[B]

We just don't have a nice guy.

[C]

Reason at all to call Archmanning a generational talent yet. There's just no reason. We keep looking for a reason and we keep hoping that the reason will present itself, but it hasn't happened yet. I'm not saying it won't happen. You could look at this game, right, and pull it apart in many different ways and give explanations as to why Arch didn't play well today, why the Texas offense didn't play well today, we. While it seemed like Ohio State was a little bit more ready to play, a little bit more comfortable in the scheme that they were running today. Right? You could do all of that stuff. But all I know is that Cam Newton wasn't on that field. That's.

[D]

That's, that's, That's a fact.

[C]

The guy, the kind of guy that you can.

[B]

Neither was Tim Tebo, right? That's who he kept getting compared to. I mean, Paul Fine Bomb said he's the most talented player since Tim Tebow.

[C]

The kind of guy you could get a ball and be like, hey, go win the game. Like, go win the game. You, you, you. You're unstoppable when you run. You do things off platform to break the defense down and make incredible plays. None of that happened today. And who knows if it's going to happen. But it didn't. So to use the term, and I'm assuming that he's talking about Arch here, generational quarterback. To describe him after you watch what you watch is absurd. I'm sorry, man. It's absurd. And it's kind of like the capture. It's indicative of the capture, the. That the hype around Archmanning has had over everyone, which is also the reason why they went so hard on him today when he's just a kid in his first start having a poor game.

[B]

But he's not a true freshman either. And I think that's the other part where people feel a little bit more emboldened because they're like, hey, he's been on campus for three years now. He's sat behind Quinn Ewers for two years. We remember Steve Spurrier during the off season said, if he was so good, why did he play behind Quinn Ewers? Which Texas fans got very upset about. But Joel bust or talent? What are your thoughts on Arch after first impression?

[D]

Well, I mean, I think if you have to pick between one of the. Either or, it has to be generational bust. Like, we, we haven't seen anything that suggests that he's on the level of Michael Vick, Cam Newton.

[B]

Aggregate it. Perfect.

[D]

Right? Yeah. Well, I'm serious, like, we've never. We have not seen anything. The things that people point to that when people say that he is great, it goes back to high school. Well, what do you know? I mean, I guess I don't, you know that he didn't win a state championship down there either. Right. So I'm trying to figure out, like, when you say he's a generation fan.

[B]

Got triggered by that Newman shot.

[D]

Yeah, the Newman.

[C]

I don't give a fuck about Newman.

[D]

Well, just, I mean, and that's what I'm saying. I'm just like, what is. What are you pointing to? But maybe that's unfair. Like, that's just one tweet or whatever, you know? Right. Like, it would. But, and, but, but coming into this game, right? Like, if, if you say he played behind Quinn Ewers, why couldn't he beat out Quinn Ewers? I think that that's just sort of disingenuous. Like, Quinn Ewers was the more experienced quarterback. They made some promises to him. Right. Like, and he's. He was a good enough quarterback at that point that you just, you didn't have to rush Arch. Right. But if you.

[B]

Florida State 1, by the way, they just took a knee. They're rushing the field I see, man.

[C]

That'S, by the way, legitimate field rush.

[B]

We're gonna count earned an earned field.

[C]

We're gonna count the fake field rushes that. That happened throughout the season. That's a legitimate field rush right there. You beat the number eight team after the year they had last year. This is one of the biggest wins in miaml's history. That's a legitimate field rush.

[D]

Unranked. Unranked. Florida State doing this, man. Okay, it's fine. I'm finally getting the field rush. My stream is behind y' all a little bit, but. Yeah, but what I'll just say back to Arch. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I had not seen a lot of evidence that Arch Manning was the quarterback that everybody said he was prior to this. Right. But the one thing that I did not think would happen was this. Like, it never occurred to me that he could play that poorly. Like, I knew that he was in a tough spot. Like, you're playing on the road against the national champion. What? You know, the defending national champion, whatever. And then it's not like, I mean, we can talk about this later, but it's not like Texas has like a bunch of great skill position talent around him either. Right? Like, I mean his, his leader, his leading receiver today was what's, what's old boy, the three star out of that skill position.

[C]

The skill position talent is pretty good.

[D]

You think so?

[C]

I do.

[D]

Like, did you, did you look, you looked at, you looked at all those guys and were like, oh yeah, like I'm, I'm scared of this cat. What's that guy's name? He's a 6 foot 4 cat out of, out of DFW area. I had his name down here anyway, but anyway, I just, I'm looking at that and I'm like, he was in a bad spot. I don't want to read too much into just one game. He's not going to play a better defense than that. He's not going to be thrust in the same situation as that again. But again, I've not seen any evidence that he is generational. And so maybe he'll compile that the rest of the week. He gets to play like UTEP and all these other.

[C]

The rest rambling. Next week.

[D]

Yeah, next week. So he's gonna, we're going to see some stuff. He's gonna put some stuff on tape that's gonna make us think, oh yeah, that Arch. That's what they say he is. But like so far right now, I don't know how you could say that. And it Is telling, though, that Sark didn't like, cut loose with him either, right? Yeah. Yeah, Right.

[C]

So a couple of things I'll say. One is, okay, so if we look at some of the players that we're comparing them to, Tim Tebow did not start his freshman year in Florida. However, he was used in the offense a lot. It was clear that Urban Meyer saw something in Tim Tebow that he wanted to get on the football field, like, right away. Did not want to have to wait to utilize Tim Tebow until after Chris Leak, who I think it was there when Tebow was. Until after.

[B]

Yeah, Chris Leak.

[C]

Until after Chris Leak was gone. There was he. I remember specifically the jump pass against LSU in a game that we lost and that, you know, whatever. So. So, you know, it. He want. There was something there. There was a way. You. You. He wasn't going to become the starter, but you couldn't keep him off the field. All right, But I will say something else, man. You know, if we go back and look at some of the quarterbacks that. That have really dominated the sport. Cam Newton is the only guy that I can remember showed up on campus his first year, his only year, and just went crazy, right? And just went nuts. If you think about Jaden Daniels, the first year that he was at LSU was still figuring it out. If you think about Joe. Joe Burrow. I'm looking at the numbers right now. Joe Burrow goes from his first year at LSU, 2900 yards pass and 16 TDS and five interceptions to the next year, 5600 yards passing, 60 touchdowns and six interceptions. Like, they explode after they've had a year in the offense. If they've. They've had a year to kind of get everything in their brain. They get better time with their receivers. They get more. It. It happens that way. For a lot of the quarterbacks that we see as elite quarterbacks, there are other guys who exploded out of the scene the first time they get their chance. Johnny Manzel is another one of those guys. You know, they're guys. But I wouldn't say that Arch is a bust right now because just like we don't have enough football on him, enough tape on him, enough reps on him, enough game situations on him to say that he's a generational talent. We also don't have enough to say that he's a generational bust. He's a quarterback who. Who's going to need some time. To Tate's point, man, Sark seemed like he thought that Arch Manning was limited. Yep. And that is a more interesting thing than anything else to me that happened in the game. He called the game like he thought he had a limited quarterback, not like he thought he had a generational talent or somebody that could win a game with his arm or with his legs.

[D]

That's the thing. Said, I didn't see. I have not seen that. None of us have seen that much. Arch Manning, like, I don't. Did y' all watch the Mississippi State start last year?

[C]

I did not. I watched every snap.

[D]

Okay, See, man, I missed that last year, Okay. I didn't see that, right, because I didn't, I didn't get my all 22 on that, but I did. I had seen enough of him playing that I was like, okay, I kind of reasonably expect what we're going to get. And then actually, Van, it was your boy. Your boy was the one that got me up on this. What the. Coach Orgeron was on that. He said, I saw him say this a couple of weeks ago. He said, oh, no, he's a real deal. He's as good. He said he's as good as Joey. He's as good. I haven't seen anybody as good as him since, Since Joe Burrow. And I'm like, oh, Coach order on. If he knows anything, he knows talent. And so I'm thinking, okay, well, I'm ready for dude to cut loose and that. And that's the thing. It's not like Arch, man. It's not even that they didn't, you know, given the offensive, he looked bad. Like the throws he was skipping, he missed a bunch of passes. I mean, you know that, that little drag to Wingo or whatever, a couple times, like he could not complete that all day long.

[C]

Well, there were two plays, there were two throws, one for a touchdown and another one for a first down where Wingo would have had an opportunity to run for a while that he just straight. He not only did he missed the throw, people miss throws, but the mechanics of the throw, he threw off platform. He just looked off, looked, looked bad.

[B]

And like that's he happy feet all day. Like he never settled in and like took a step up. It felt like he was kind of reeling. I mean, even the first play, right, they roll him out of the pocket. He has a wide open pass and he short arms it. Yeah. And it. And it one hops to his receiver. I, I think to me that was why Sark changed kind of course a little bit where he's like, oh, wait a second, he might be feeling it in this environment. And Then they kind of course corrected from there.

[C]

I mean look, as I watched the game, the game which we gotta say was a fucking dud, tough game.

[B]

Yeah. Snooze a lot of height.

[C]

It was a tough. It was, it was, it was a, it was a dud compared to great.

[B]

For Ohio State fans.

[C]

Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And, and one thing that's not going to happen, that never happens when we get locked into a narrative is nobody's going to give credit to Ohio State. I thought sand looked good. I thought actually he probably could have done more. I saw him throw the ball crisply. I thought him. I saw, I saw him be decisive with the football.

[B]

Had huge drops too Van. I mean he guys in the hands drops.

[C]

And I, and I also saw a defense by Matt Patricia that seemed like they were able to exploit some of the limitations that Arts has right now. I mean it seemed like to me, Matt Patricia's, you know, we'll dive into it a little bit more. The game just happened earlier today as we get filmed a couple of breakdowns and all of that stuff. But it seemed like to me, Matt Patricia said, hey, I'm gonna sit in this specific coverage show and make you make reads to beat us. Like you're not going to be able to beat us with a cleaver. You're going to have to beat us with a scalpel. You're gonna have to make these throws in these windows on schedule, on platform at the right time. And he out coached defensively, Sark's play calling offensively, offensively, Ryan Day didn't have to do a whole lot. They didn't really have to get into their bag deep at all. But the defense that Ohio State played with, all the guys that they have on defense, I thought was phenomenal.

[D]

Yeah. Well, so first of all, the guy that I was thinking of, Parker Livingstone, that was a receiver I was thinking of for Texas. Okay.

[B]

Yeah. I saw he was tweeting Jordan Shipley highlights before the game, which I thought that was nice.

[D]

Yeah, I mean he's, he's fine. But again I didn't think. But no to your. To Van's point, Ohio State looked really, really good. But you know what I thought the most impressive unit on the field was today? Texas's defense. I thought Texas defense looked really good, man.

[B]

Like I thought both D lines.

[D]

Oh, how's they couldn't get anything going running. That's the thing I'm thinking about. Like if you're Ohio State, like, like you're not going to face another defensive line like that probably Most of the year, you know, maybe you may be Michigan or whatever, but, like, you're probably not going to face my little bit. Like, man, they did not get anything going in the run game. And we can talk about this later, too, but, you know, so I remember when Jalen Rager as a tcu and I know he became a meme and a joke, you know, Jalen Rager, you know.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

When he went to the league or whatever. Right.

[B]

Well, he was the Justin Jefferson, right? That was like the Vikings front office, they were like, laughing that they took Rager instead of Justin Jefferson.

[C]

I told you guys. Told you guys.

[B]

Not, Not. Not Rager's fault, by the way.

[D]

I thought at the time. Rager was maybe the best athlete at TCU since Ladanian Tomlinson when he signed at tcu. He was great. Really good receipt, just amazing receiver. And Max Dugan was his quarterback. And I remember he'd be running cardio basically most of the games. He'd be so pissed. You'd see him out there, but he would hold it together. And I'm like, I was giving him credit for not getting mad at the quarterback. And that's how I felt about Jeremiah Smith today. But like, with the opposite, it's like, oh, no. Jeremiah Smith is, like showing frustration already. It's week one and he's already showing frustration out there. Mad dropping passes. That's not. That's not the guy we were told he was. That's not the guy that we saw that he was last year. And I'm like, man, that's a. That's not a great sign that already he's frustrated, you know, I want to.

[C]

Say something about Parker Livingstone, man. I'm looking at Parker Livingstone.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

See, I just want to make sure because I feel like. Joe, I'm gonna be honest with you.

[D]

Oh, no, don't you.

[C]

Joe, I'm gonna be honest with you, bro. I feel like if his name was demarius Livingstone.

[D]

That maybe you like.

[C]

Maybe you like his game. Parker ran the 200 and he ran the. The. The 100. Parker a dog, man. Parker was. I'm looking at.

[D]

Wait, don't. Wait. Read his times, though.

[C]

Okay? Parker Livingstone. He.

[D]

He.

[C]

His. His 200 time is 21:6.

[D]

That was good. That's a good time. What about the 100 time, though?

[C]

Okay, the hundred time is. It looks like it's 117 in the hundred.

[D]

I'm a dog, man.

[C]

That is.

[D]

I mean, you barely beat 14 year olds.

[C]

Wait, but he was a dog. And I just want to shout out Parker Livingstone. Because I don't want. You know, I got a certain reputation. I want to say. I think Parker Livingstone is pretty. I think he was his best receiver today. I think Parker.

[B]

I thought he should have gone to him more.

[C]

Yeah, I thought he was his best receiver today.

[D]

Which. Which. Which I think only proves my point that I didn't look out there at University of Texas. I didn't see no Roy Williams out there.

[B]

You didn't see Matthew golden, right?

[D]

I didn't see Matthew golden out there. I was like, all right, you know who I got to be scared about out here? Parker. 11 7, bro. 11 7. That's a middle school.

[C]

But Wingo can fly like they. They.

[D]

I would. I would try to scrub that from the Internet if I were Parker Livingstone.

[C]

Oh, my goodness. Did you run into.

[D]

Hell, yeah, man. I rated 10 7.

[C]

Okay? Yeah.

[B]

You said strap up.

[D]

Yeah, man. You wouldn't even. I wouldn't even think if you ran 11 7. Like, that's JV track time. That is not a. That is not a varsity track time.

[C]

Yeah, I ran, I think a 10, 5, 10, 5 minutes. It was minutes. But look, so all kinds of observations about the game and something about Jeremiah Smith that we have to kind of be honest about. This is not the first time that Jeremiah Smith has been handled in a slightly big game. The last time Ohio State played Texas, they were able to limit Jeremiah Smith. Obviously, Jeremiah Smith was limited in the Michigan game last year. So it. Look, he's a receiver. And we've seen this. We've seen more of this. We saw this with a couple of games today, right? We saw Jeremiah Smith at receiver have some struggles. Tate did a little bit better because it seemed like the focus was on stopping Smith and Tate was able to take advantage of some one on one. So Smith had a terrible game, but he did not dominate in the way that people thought that he was going to dominate. But across the country, with some of these big name receivers that exist in college football, Ryan Williams in the Alabama game, the scheme has to be right. The quarterback has to be able to get the ball out. You might be getting to a point to where at some point in the season that Ryan Williams is looking at pictures of Jaylen Milro and going, oh, my God. Oh my God. Where is my guy? Miss you, brother. Or Ty gets it together and that's not what's going to happen. But all over the country, we had unproven quarterbacks that were coming into situations, making their first starts and leading their teams for the first time. And your weapons Are obviously a big part of that makes quarterbacks life easier. But for a lot of these guys, they're going to have to build on field chemistry with these QBs. These QBs are going to have to get comfortable in these offices before we start seeing some of the production that we expect from them.

[B]

Yeah. And Jeremy Bernard looked like the number one guy for Alabama.

[C]

Absolutely.

[D]

That's right.

[B]

It definitely felt like he was the number one target for Ty Simpson. And obviously you could see the emotion after the game from Ty Simpson. We joked about the fact that he got the job for loyalty, but obviously this is a guy that, you know, he's all in on Alabama football. Not the way you want to open up your kind of, you know, career as the starting qb. Same can be said for architecture. But I got a first fact for you because this guy did start it out, you know, in a good way. Ohio State quarterback Julian Saying is the first QB to beat the AP number one team in his first career start since Jim Harbaugh. We had that stat on Wednesday and we were saying that it probably wouldn't happen because it hasn't happened often. So Julian sand will be the coach of the chargers in about 25 to 30 years, but for now he is the quarterback of the Ohio State Buckeyes. He was impressive, right? I mean the, the touchdown pass to Tate a little bit underthrown, but again it all kind of works out and he kind of controlled the game for the most part. Joel, were you impressed with Julian saying and do you think that Orlovsky was tweeting about him and not Arch Manning? Because that could be the cop out.

[D]

Well, no, see, actually I'm surprised that y' all thought Julian Saying was so good. I, I mean, look, I thought he was okay, right? And obviously he did what he had to do. I mean, I. What did you all see? Hit them for 126 yards.

[C]

He threw for 100. Joel is like, I'm just saying, what about Simon Kyle of college football? There's nothing that you can do to impress your Joe. Like he, he threw the, he threw the ball.

[B]

I'll be Paul.

[D]

No, no, the context of this is what I'll say is that we've gotten used to like 26 year old dudes being quarterbacks in college and they come in ready made ready. You know, products like they, they come out there, they're already sort of polished and they've got experience and they're going to do well. And so maybe this is just a whole nother era of football where it's going to be a young guy and we're going to watch him take his lumps and then eventually it'll be good. I think that if and when Ohio State and Texas play in January or something like that, neither of those guys are going to look like that and that game is going to look a lot different. Right. But right now they're really young.

[B]

I did want to ask you guys about that because we don't live in the old BCS model. Obviously things have changed a lot. So losing one game doesn' dictate really the terms of your season. And as we saw last year, you know, Ohio State basically got galvanized by a rivalry loss against Michigan and they go, yeah, of course, championship. So it's a little bit different than it used to be. Do you think this is. Could, could you spin this positively for Texas, Van? Would you say, like, hey, we didn't show them who we really were, we didn't run our best stuff and like, when we see them again, we'll be ready to go?

[C]

No.

[B]

Fair point. I like it.

[C]

No, there's.

[B]

That seems to be the cope right now. That seems to be the.

[C]

So, so let me tell you, Joel is like, now who's, well now.

[D]

Now who's Sam? A cow.

[C]

Yeah. But so. So let me tell you why. I'm not saying that Texas won't fix the team and fix the performance. I'm not saying that at all. But this game just was an array of things to fix. They. This game was poorly played at the quarterback position. It was poorly coached off from an offensive standpoint.

[B]

The defense, especially on the goal line, right?

[C]

I mean, that's especially on the goal. Just the, the tush push play with Arch before once again, Texas gets down to the goal line. Ohio State did this too. Ohio State gets down to the goal line and they don't throw a pass with their quarterback inside of the 10 yard line, they end up scoring. Right. Their offense was on fourth and goal. On fourth and goal, their offense was able to make plays at timely times. Texas could not make those same plays. But also with the quarterback, with the dimension in the run game like Arch, to not try to throw the football down there, to not try to get Arch in a situation where he can throw and run even before you get there just says a lot about what they've seen. I'm talking about what they've seen in fall practice, what they've seen in spring, what they think they know about their team. Right? And so if I'm a Texas fan, there's no way I'm off the bandwagon as far as the season goes. I think that Texas will still have a great season and will probably make the playoffs, but unless they fix a bunch of things, they won't. Because that team on the field today looked incredibly beatable. They looked incredibly beatable. There was not one area on. I'm not talking about blue chip percentage or any of those other things that we use. How many four and five stars. I'm talking about how the team played on the field and they didn't play in any way. To me, that made me believe that this was a speed bump. This is a concern that has to be fixed and we'll see if they can fix it and go on and be the team that a lot of people think that they will be, bro.

[D]

They, I mean this is, this is their schedule. They, I mean they're, they're going to cruise. They have so much more talent. Even Parker Livingstone is that top. Is that top target. This is their schedule. Utep, Sam Houston. Next week they got San Jose State. They're at Florida. That's questionable. Oklahoma, we never know. But Kentucky, Mississippi State, Vandy. And then they, they got, they, they got Georgia. That'll be a tough one in Arkansas, man, they're going to win by nine, 10 games, bro.

[C]

I mean you're right, you're. I mean they'll be all right until they when the question is this is no question is RB all right there be all right meaning if they take advantage of the fact that they're going to out talent everybody on their schedule, they get to the playoff and they get their skulls kicked in by someone or they lose another game. Will the Texas fan base be okay with that with Arch in his first year starting and then they come back with a, with a more loaded team with Arch in another year and they make a deeper run.

[D]

They should. They, they should because that is the Texas experience. I mean, but for Vince Young, what, I mean again, what do, what do they have to hold on to where they say, oh, we're supposed to win that game or we supposed to be the national champions. It's all in theory, but we've always believe it.

[C]

Now they believe it now. Now they, they def. They came into the season ranked number one. They have what Dan Orlovsky says is a generational quarterback, what everyone thought was a generational quarterback. They have Sark, who has had this team knocking on the door for a couple of years now. They've been in the playoffs multiple times. They, their fan base And Steve Sarkeesian is looking to take the next step. I think that's pretty non controversial that they think that that should happen.

[D]

That's fair. That's fair. I mean that is fair. But again like I'm just looking at their history. They this is the year that they're supposed to be number one and this is supposed to be the year they get over the hump. Maybe it will happen but if they lose in the semifinals or in the final that is everything that is Texas has been my entire lifetime.

[C]

You guys want me to read that.

[D]

Is a Texas here.

[C]

You guys want me to read some post titles from the Alabama message board on on secrent.com right now?

[B]

Yeah please. Please. Let's get some real time reactions.

[C]

Okay it's time to go to Oxford and get Kiffin how many yes how.

[B]

Many streets will Deborah who posted that because it might have been L Kiffin03.

[C]

Yeah bench tie now move on fire everyone is this 2001 wow hot seat FSU isn't even try good sunshine pumpers thread come on in Somebody trying to get positive. There is only one way forward Ty Simpson isn't ready. He's missing throws. Castellanos is making Deborah sucks. That much is evident. This program has been set back years. They're melting down over there. The Alabama fans are melting down in real time.

[D]

I mean. I mean just the high they've been on for the last 20 years man and it's all just crumbling in front of them. That's they. Nick Saban lost some games. He never lost no game like that. Did Nick Saban ever lose a game like that in his entire time?

[B]

Maybe the first. Maybe the first year. Yeah.

[D]

So Louisiana Monroe.

[C]

Well well no.

[D]

No, no no.

[B]

Other than no Johnny Manziel maybe. But yeah.

[C]

What would be a game like that? Because think about it right? So the Louisiana Monroe game is a game against far superior inferior competition. This game is against. Yeah, I guess this will be closer to Johnny Manziel but I mean I. Texas A and M was probably a. This would be closer to that but they just. They ran up against an unstoppable bus off of a qb. But no to to. To your point once they got to the Alabama level they didn't go out there and get over by too many teams that that didn't have the talent that they had that never.

[D]

That's what I'm saying. Yeah. They never lost to somebody that when that was that they were that they were supposed to be like that was any game where they were the clear Favorite. And it wasn't like a Georgia. It wasn't like LSU at its peak. They won those games and they. And they punished those teams. It wasn't just.

[B]

I was going to say, like, you would see the spread and it's like 56 and a half and you're like, there's no way they're going to be 63 to 0. And they would, you know, remember the.

[D]

Year that USC had to bring in Sam Darnold because they, I mean, they brought. They made. They made USC look like the Citadel or some like that. You know what I mean? And like that already. We've had enough game. We've had enough games in the Kaylin Deborah era that I'm like, Vandy last.

[C]

Year, Vandy last year. When you look at Vandy last year, Diego Pavia, not that different a quarterback from. From little moxie, got the arm, will run, not afraid. Bama cannot bully people. They're not. They're not scared. That might be the biggest takeaway from the Caitlyn DeBoer era to the Knicks. I keep saying that. They're just not scared. He was out there. He's talking that type of to them before the game. Then he gets out in the game and he makes that big throw. We were all talking. I'm like, oh, my God, here he comes. He's looking at the crowd. He's like, yeah, I like that. That's what I want. That's what I like. And they could not punch back. They could not punch back to get this kid off they ass. So it's interesting. Look, we've had the biggest shocks that we've had, man. We've had. I mean, we haven't. You, you. You were wrong, Joel, about this game, but you were right about Boise State. So I gotta say right now, ring of tailgate, man, we making some predictions out here. I predicted this game as far as Bama. I told you guys.

[D]

That's right, man. Actually, Van, you know what, bro? That's right. I didn't ever did. I did not give you your props like you gave me. Van texted me. It was like I felt like I got knighted after. After the. During the Boise game. It was like third quarter and he's like, Joel. And I'm like, oh, man. What. What Van want, man?

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[D]

Said, you know, ball man, is that.

[B]

The nicest thing you can say to anybody?

[C]

Right? That was.

[D]

I was like I appreciate that brother. And I didn't gave you your props for this Florida State call because I really, I there's no way that I thought this was even possible.

[C]

So yeah, this game is going to like like turn everybody on its on its ass. Tate, can we read since we're reading tweets, can we read Ric Flair's tweet?

[B]

Oh yeah, we can pull that up. Ric Flair is on fire right now because this is fascinating too. Like there is a lot of media warfare that is happening, you know what I mean? Just in general because Paul Feinbaum, I mean he's had the tweets, he's had the takes. Jordan Rogers was kind of the only guy that we saw yesterday that had any sort of pushback. Let me find this Ric Flair.

[C]

So I don't know why Ric Flair, the nature boy. Ric Flair just gave Paul fine bomb business because a palm fine bomb has been Arch's biggest pom pom waiver. He loves the madness.

[D]

I mean it.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

What do you think is Rick Flair like a known college fan? I don't keep up with Ric Flair no more. But like, does it, like, does he have a team? He's like North Carolina, right? That's, that's your part of the woods, Tate.

[B]

I think he likes like Alabama or something. I think he's an SEC guy. Here's what he tweeted. He said Dear Mr. And he added him to too. So you got to give some respect, you know what I mean? At fine bomb. As usual, he's capitalizing every word, by the way, like, which is also. It just feels like very trumpy and to do. But you know something funny, as usual, you are the most absurd and incompetent analyst in all of college football. I'll take Heather Dennis. Shout out Heather Dennis any day over you. You should be expelled from ESPN. Every time I see you on the TV, I turn it off. You have 22, 000 followers. I have nine point million followers. Just to give a little flex in the middle here, back to the point, the fact that you would call out Jim Harbaugh and also tag Jim Harbaugh. So I'm sure that Coach Harbaugh appreciated that last year and say that he will never be able to coach in the pros and now he would probably win a Super Bowl. And the fact that you are predicting that Texas will murder Ohio State is insane. Go look in the mirror and find something else to do for a living. So embarrassing. He didn't just leave it there. He added like another little like, you know, kick while you're down. So, yeah, Ric Flair is fired up. He's. He's back outside.

[D]

I wonder if he pays for his premium account. Yes. Because that was more than the average. That was more than the 250 word limit. Right.

[B]

Like he's got the blue check for it.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, it's a paid for check. Yeah, I gotta make sure he's got room.

[C]

I do think that some of the backlash that shout out to Jay Stu.

[B]

By the way, Jonathan Stewart, former Oregon running back, Panthers running back. He just responded and said, let him know. Rick.

[C]

I think a lot of this backlash is because, man, people don't like to be sold a dream when it comes to sports, man. There's one thing, one specific type, one genre of disappointment that gets in People's crawl more than anything else. And that's sports disappointment. We all gonna feel it. Our teams disappoint, our coaches. Disappointment. But when someone has been told that somebody is the. The. The best thing since sliced bread, which I always wonder when people say that. I mean, before, was they just ripping the bread off and, like.

[B]

No, no, it was just a loaf that wasn't cut. And then I think everybody.

[C]

Yeah, it was like, a big loaf.

[B]

Yeah. We need to.

[C]

Then what would you do with the bread? Could you make a sandwich?

[B]

You would cut it. You would.

[D]

You have to cut a piece off.

[C]

Oh, wait.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, wait.

[D]

We sold it just as a loaf, not sliced. I get that.

[C]

I understand that. So what they're saying is the best thing.

[B]

Oh, 8.

[C]

Is when people say. Hold on real quick. So when people say. When people are talking about the best thing, it's just because they was too lazy to slice the bread themselves. They were slicing.

[B]

I mean, I think they were slicing their hand, like, because, you know, bread's hard to, like, keep stable, you know what I mean? And do, like, a clean cut. That's. That was sort of the issue.

[D]

Every time. But, yeah, one, the sliced bread is.

[C]

Uniform and all of that. So they.

[B]

Uniform. They have a butt of the bread that you. The butts. You know, the booty of the bread. Yeah, the bread.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

I would be more like the best thing since indoor plumbing. Yeah.

[C]

There's something else.

[B]

They need to update it.

[C]

The best thing since air conditioning. Sliced bread is one thing. Air conditioning over sliced bread. Air conditioning is way better than sliced bread. Think about.

[B]

I'm gonna say the best thing since YouTube TV. I mean, you know what I mean? Like, YouTube TV is pretty great. I can go anywhere. I can watch a game anywhere.

[D]

I was. I actually am mad about YouTube TV, man. That. Man, it costs $82 a month. Did you know?

[B]

Like that. I don't like that.

[D]

Somebody told me that you used to be able to get this for $38 a month, man. And I'm like, that's when I joined.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So what's better, Tate? What's a better thing? A better piece of technology? YouTube TV or deodorant?

[B]

Oh, I mean, obviously deodorant. We need deodorant.

[C]

That's what I'm saying, Tate. We. We. We in the fundamentals of humanity here when we talking about this. Like, back to the point.

[B]

I'm thinking about games.

[C]

You're right. So. But back to the point. And to be told that and to have Arch go out there and not perform. I think a lot of people were ready to get their takes off, ready to get their jokes off at his expense. The best thing for him is that Ohio State, excuse me, Texas now gets to go and play a couple of teams where the spotlight won't be as bright. He gets to have a couple of glorified live fire, live action practice sessions and they should be able to work out whatever the kinks are in the offense and get the best out of him when it's time for another big test to come in.

[D]

Social media just like to make fun of people, man.

[C]

They do.

[D]

If you get your ass. Like, I mean, I always just think about like the time Manny Pacquiao got knocked out. You know, it was like his fifth fight, this old boy. And I was just like, that's what it was. Hey, thank you, thank you. And if you get, if you get, if you're Manny Pacquiao, man, like if anybody should have built up enough credibility to not get made fun of, you know, like, it would seem like it'd be Manny Pacquiao. But, you know, he got his ass knocked out and people made jokes on him. So I mean, yeah. And this, if people wanted to laugh at Arch. I don't even know if people don't dislike Arch. Right. I don't even know if there's. Because I felt like in terms of like man, energy, he kind of seemed.

[C]

Like a little swag to him, man.

[D]

Like he just got a little calm, got some chill to him. So, you know, man, yeah, I think this will be of old distant memory by then.

[C]

Now.

[D]

Will he be great? I have no idea. But we're at least going to be convinced that he's a lot better than he is today.

[C]

Oh, man, the homophobia is popping out on the Bama board tape.

[B]

Oh, no, that's not good.

[C]

They're talking about Ryan.

[B]

Ryan Williams and they're talking about the finger. Yeah.

[C]

Popping out on the Bama board. Bama fans. Don't, don't, man. Don't let the bad thoughts win, man. It's one game. They. They on Ryan ass. They are so mad, brother.

[B]

They just need to comment like blitz, Bama blitz. Like all their sayings, all that sort of stuff. You know what I mean? Get it going. We got some comments coming in. This is Ryan Strong and he is pointing out that we are overlooking what a terrible game that Sark coached. I do think that we need to point this out because Sark is a bit snake bitten, especially on the goal line. And as much as Arch is taking the heat. Sark did kind of fuel the fire of the hype, you know what I mean? The only person that I saw tried to temper the flames of the hype of Arch Manning was Archie Manning, right. Other than that, everybody else stoked the flames. So let's talk about Sark. Joel, what do you think about that?

[D]

I mean, I think that that's the thing is I think it all just comes back to what he thinks is of his actual talent. His offensive line was kind of in shambles. Like one of the tackles is out. So they're missing, they were missing a guy that they were really expecting to count on. They don't have like a dominating Bell Cow running back. Parker Livingstone is their top target. And Arch Manning, he's okay. Like, he's all right, you know what I mean?

[C]

But like, we don't know.

[D]

There's a lot we don't know about him in that environment. So I think he was being. But for the fourth down calls because that was to me, that, that said to me was like, I don't want to keep giving Ohio State chances. Like I want to retain possession, right. But, but for that I think he just said, you know what, if we have it close going into the fourth quarter, that's good enough for me under these circumstances. And he coached, sort of coached in that way. I didn't think it was that bad of a game plan, but, you know, who am I to say?

[C]

So look, Sark was bad today. He wasn't as creative, he wasn't as dynamic. The offense looked listless. It wasn't an offense that you're like off balance, like, what are they going to do next? He didn't seem to scheme up a lot of one on ones that were favorable for his guys. And when he did scheme up those one on one guys, Arch missed him. He coached scared, to Joel's point. But the question is, what was he scared of? Like, what was he scared of? Like, and I think about this, was he scared of losing the game? I doubt it. I doubt he was coaching scared of losing the game. Was he scared of Arch going into that game and that game being so damaging to his confidence or so damaging to, to his moxie that he had problems getting him back? Maybe, maybe he did. He wasn't prepared to put his brand new shiny starter in a hostile situation against a really talented team and ask him to do all of the things that he might be capable of doing on his best day or at the top of his talent and just was like, hey, like I said before, the game, go into the game and be Trent Dilfer going to the game and. But Arch couldn't, didn't even seem to be able to deliver like on that.

[D]

So, yeah, he wasn't even sent Dilfa today.

[C]

Yeah. So the question is, what was Sark scared of? Sark knows his team, he knows his personnel. He wasn't as creative, he wasn't as daring. But no, there's no way to look at the game plan for me and say, oh my God. Like, if I was showing someone who had never seen the Steve Sarkeesian coach offense before, they wouldn't think that that was anything special at all.

[D]

See you saying scared and I'm thinking he's a guy that's like, I have a really good defense. They've got a freshman quarterback. I don't have to do too much. So in all coaches, and this is, they're all sort of a stereotype in this way. They all are just so deathly afraid of turnovers. And they're like, if we, as long as we just retain the ball, we don't give them easy scores, like we keep the ball and play field position the rest of the game, then they'll do it. And I think that that's just what he did. He's like, I don't have the talent or I don't feel like in this game that I can cut loose. But I do think that if I play close to the vest, I let my defense control things for a little bit. Maybe a turnover will go my way or something like that or Arch will catch fire. That's what I thought. I didn't think he was scared. I just hear you.

[C]

That just doesn't explain the 4th and 1 call. That just doesn't explain the 4th and one call. That doesn't explain rollout, run pass. I'm not going to tell Steve Sarkeesian how to coach football.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

All right. I'm the porn guy at the ringer. I'm not going to tell them how to like, how to coach football. But it doesn't explain, like, even when I saw that, I'm like, man, we're going tush push with a quarterback that's a little light in the ass on the one. There's not anything that they had dialed.

[B]

Up before and did it on fourth down in the middle of the field on the first drive. Right. I mean, both of those calls were strange. And then the weaker, the weirdest part to me, if you watch them last year, Arch was kind of like the short yardage specialist, right? So it's like he already had faith in him to come in and do those plays last year when Quinn was under center. So it's like why would he be, why would he be more reserved now that he's the starting guy but then also put the ball in his hands and make him look bad? And if you just watch Arch on those kind of pushes, he's not even close. No, I mean he's, he's a yard behind. Like he's not even close.

[C]

Right. So. So I mean Arch and the O line as well. So seemed like at a point that this was a game that Texas. I don't want to say that they weren't fully up for it, but I just feel like at points watching this game that this wasn't a game that Texas feel like they had to win. Like that, that they had to win.

[B]

You know, that's like the big picture kind of, you know, big. You know, if you're trying to really be like are they playing a game like is this gamesmanship from Texas where they didn't show their full hand because they know they're going to see them again? I mean, I would find that a little bit disingenuous, especially you would think coming off what we saw in the playoff where yours has the pick six to his former roommate. You know what I mean? That whole sort of thing. One other question that we have in the chat, Van, people are interested and want to hear your thoughts. By the way, Clemson, LSU is starting.

[C]

I got it right here.

[B]

Yeah, LSU is moving the ball right now. That is say the least. They're moving. John Sumrall, Tulane's head coach, he had some thoughts. Paul, the lap Saints fan wants to get your thoughts on this. Van, here's what he said. When you disrespect the city of New Orleans, you're going to run into it. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but don't disrespect the city of New Orleans. Now if you don't know the story, the they wanted to wear the white uniforms to honor 2005 after Katrina, they wore the two lane white uniforms. Northwestern I guess said that they were going to wear their away white. So they weren't going to let them wear white and then Tulane proceeded to whoop their ass. So Van, your thoughts on the quote from Summer all and just Tulane kind of handling business.

[C]

Shout out to Tulane, man. There used to be a rivalry between Tulane and lsu but the, the reality is that they get busy down there. It is the school that educates the Governors of Louisiana, sneaky, amazing school, you know what I mean? So shout out to Tulane. And the reality is this, man, sometimes it's more about. It's about more than football, should I say. If you are from south Louisiana and you were around. I was 25 when Hurricane Katrina hit in 2005 and it was a life changing experience for everyone down there. I knew people that never recovered from that. I knew people that were jettisoned from their home and we're not able to come back. I'm not going to wax poetic about Hurricane Katrina, but what I'm going to say is football is one thing, but letting people kind of express their remembrance and their sorrow to, to what's going on, that would have been the classy move. They chose not to be classy. And they got put it on that assy and I'm happy that that happened. So shout out to Tulane. Like shout out to everybody. The green wave at my home state, in my home state that's going through it right now. But you know, we still here, man.

[B]

Yeah, shout out. I like the question there. One other note that has been pointed out. We, they wanted to get our thoughts. Devin Heston Hester Jr. 75 yard kickoff return.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

South Carolina.

[B]

Yeah. They have Furman has the helmets that say FU all the time on the back. That's probably the best in college football. But yeah, Devin Hester Jr. Having a great moment. That was good to see you. Love to see that van. Do you feel like watching the game while you're on the air? Is that throwing you off? Like, I mean, how do you, how do you feel about that?

[C]

No, no, actually that would be, that.

[B]

Would be a lot for me.

[C]

It's actually helping me with my anxiety because. Okay, I'll do all kinds of crazy things during the LSU game. If it's like a crucial third and five. I'll turn the TV off. Yeah, I'll turn the TV go where you go.

[B]

Do what you do.

[C]

I'll turn the TV all the way. But no. So it's when I saw that Devin Hester if, If Devin. If Devin Jr. Pop a couple more like that transfer portal gonna be calling, baby.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[C]

South Carolina, Clemson. But Miami, man, you got us Miami. Just for the love of the game, just for the love of the game, don't you have to go get Devin Hester Jr. If you're the Hurricanes, man.

[D]

That's kind of why I was surprised. Like, man, he's at Furman, huh? Not, you know, good, good institution, good football program, a whole nine. But I was kind of. I just thought Devin Hester Jr. Might, you know, be at least Miami.

[B]

Are we not seeing how the names work? Yeah, go ahead.

[C]

Are we not going to talk about Colorado at all?

[B]

If you want to. Should we do Coach prime versus Coach Belichick? It seems like you've already flipped the coin. You want to talk about Coach Prime? Should we talk about the timeouts? Should we talk about, you know, they looked like they were having fun at least, man, for a little while on Friday.

[C]

They look like they were having fun. Fun.

[D]

That's the best.

[B]

They look like they were having fun out there. They sent me sunglasses. That's how it works.

[D]

That's his work, man.

[C]

Tate's been bought. T's been bought. They've given him.

[B]

No, but Haynes King, as soon as Haynes King starts looking hurt, that's when he goes Super Saiyan. That's when he. He goes to the next level. I don't know what Marvel character that would be. The Hulk. I don't know if it's like Bane or something, but you start hitting Hanes King, he goes to a different level, and he ended that game. But Coach prime got a lot of flack, obviously, for the timeouts. He said the timeouts didn't matter, but, Joel, your thoughts on that?

[D]

Well, so I kind of thought so. Kaden Salter is the quarterback now, the transfer from Liberty. And I thought he was okay. He, like, he flashed some talent. He's got some speed, obviously. He's got a pretty, very strong arm.

[C]

Big arm.

[D]

Yeah, big arm. But I was. In that fourth quarter, I was like, man, you kind of too old to be playing like this, bro. You know, you should be.

[B]

The first time he was in situational football. Yeah.

[D]

Running all the way across the field, you know, instead of just going down, taking the first down and stopping the clock. There was a time that he missed a running back coming out of the backfield in the shadow of the goal line, and he got mad at the running back. It was like, no, bro, but that dude was wide open. You could just hit it, right? You know? Like, I just. So I just. I'm looking at that guy and I'm just like, well, you know, is that a Dion fault or is that I got this guy as my starting quarterback fault right now? It's just like he kind of fucked it up for us. And I. I didn't really get a chance to do the late game management I wanted to do because that dude spent 20 seconds running. Running horizontally.

[B]

Was it a. Was it a win for Shador that happening man.

[C]

You know what's funny is that like yeah, it was Shador throw used to thrive. He thrived in those late game situations. You saw him pull a couple of those off. But man I saw, I saw Salter do some things that I'm like wow. If used correctly he's got an incredibly live arm. He's very sudden. He now he missed some throws but you know if he's being coached right and being used right, he could be a little bit of a weapon. I was incredibly impressed with Haynes King. Georgia Tech turned the ball over three times in the first. Fourth quarter. First quarter, should I say and still was able to take control of that game on the offensive side of ball. Haynes King played great, put the game away. At the same time I'm watching Haynes King, I'm watching Jackson Arnold, I'm two screening it. Haynes King, Jackson Arnold, white boys running everywhere. I'm talking about, it's all over the place, you know what I'm saying?

[B]

The Bradley Van Pell generation.

[C]

The Bradley Van Pell generation. Joel probably won't give him credit for it.

[D]

I want to see them boys have to throw from the pocket. I don't want to lean on the athleticism. I want to see them, I want to see them sitting. I wanted to play the position, make a throw. Yeah, play the position the way it's supposed to be played.

[C]

But I was happy for Jackson Arnold, man. I'm obviously non plus to see Auburn be the Iron bowl is going to be some this year. I was non plus to see to see Auburn look confident. But Jackson Arnold and everything, all the trouble that he had or on field trouble that he had, being good or figuring out his way in Oklahoma and now to see him at Auburn doing good things, to see Haynes King doing it, it was fun. It was fun football. Fun football.

[B]

It was a fun Friday night.

[D]

Yeah. And I was going to say to think about Haynes King too. And that's the difference between the Arch Manning thing and like Haynes King is a grown ass man. If you told me Haynes King has is married and has like a two year old, I probably believe it. But he went on the road in a tough spot and played again, you know, played a good game like for the first game of the year and like that's so like with the Arch thing and the Julian Sam thing, you see those are really young guys, not a lot of experience. They're still learning their way and they also had to play incredibly talented defenses. Where for Haynes King you got your old guy there. He's been in pretty much every situation you can be in in college football. And he showed up in a big spot. So. Yeah, man, you know, that's. Like I said, I kind of wouldn't mind seeing these guys have to throw a little bit, you know, I mean, at what point are we going to see them, you know, read a defense?

[C]

You know, look, I'm here with these brothers, man. I'm with these brothers.

[B]

Got their back.

[C]

I got their backs. These are some. These are some guys that in there early in the morning. The first people in there, the folk heroes, you know, they work out with the linemen. They do all the.

[B]

They all love Josh Allen.

[C]

They all. You know what I mean? They love. God, they love country. I'm in it with these brothers.

[B]

Yeah, they're locked in. They're locked in. They know what they're doing. This game is happening right now in real time. Lsu, Clemson, just general thoughts, feedback. First impressions of this game really hasn't settled in yet. A lot of these big games today, it's taken like, you know, a couple drives. Obviously, it's week one. We talked about maybe a preseason, but have you seen anything yet, Van, that gets you excited, makes you feel good? We've had some people calling about, calling about, you know, Howard Rock and how they don't like the tradition and how Clemson is lame. So I think that's, you know, trying to suck up to you a little bit. But any thoughts on what we've seen so far in this game?

[C]

I've seen LSU be willing to run the ball a little bit and try to establish the run. If they can do that consistently, not only in this game, but throughout this year, I think we're going to have a better season than we did last year. We're going to have to see how the offensive line comes together to see, you know, just how explosive the offense can be. We are without a transfer safety, A.J. halsey, because Clemson ratted snitched on y', all, man. They snitched.

[D]

Snitched.

[C]

Snitching ass Clemson.

[B]

Now they're pointing the fingers at different people saying it wasn't them days.

[C]

Give them. So give them a happy meal. Put them on the first 48. Clemson is a bunch of snitches, right.

[B]

Situation where, like, we think they're snitches now and then it comes out later that they weren't the snitch snitches.

[C]

Look, I'll tell you something about all of that. I'll just be honest with you about all of that. I'm A regular civilian. You know, I got guns around here if y' all want to see them. But I'm a regular civilian. I'm a regular civilian. So look, I don't have anything to say about any guys, any rappers from Atlanta snitching. But I will say, smart snitching when it's 15, 20, 30 years on the line is one thing. Snitching when you trying to get somebody to sit a half of football, man, you are.

[B]

That's low.

[D]

You gotta do.

[C]

No, you.

[D]

No, actually, you kind of gotta do it. You kind of gotta do.

[C]

I don't believe in it.

[D]

Also, also, also like if, if Clemson actually did this, I mean, shout out to that staff. I mean, what. I mean, spot on.

[B]

Definitely in the scout, right? Like they were, they were watching that game and then they saw him get thrown out of that game and then they were like, wait a second, shouldn't he have to sit out ahead? It just feels like one of those things in the room as they're scouting, they're like, yeah, look that up. You know what I mean?

[D]

You're scouting. Yeah. So you're scouting for lsu, but the clip you've got to find is BYU versus University of Houston. You know what I mean? So I was like, okay, man, whatever. They're paying that staff kudos to them, Dapo, because you didn't know.

[C]

The thing that I, the thing that I, that I do respect about it though is it is something that Brian Kelly would do.

[B]

Oh, yeah. You know, he was sick. He was sick.

[D]

They got my ass.

[B]

He's probably mad. He didn't know that he was gonna have to sit out a half while he recruited him.

[C]

I mean, at the end of the day, it's on us. Right? Like we should have known. It fell through the cracks at LSU and Clemson was swarmy enough, skeezy enough to bring it up and try to affect the game that way. And it worked. But we should have known it. LSU should have known it. So at the end of the day, the staff, when they, when you recruit the guy and bring the guy in, you got to know what situation he's in from his ability to play.

[B]

You know, one thing I did want to ask, Bill Simmons loves the cross off teams. We have the 12 team playoff. Are there any teams that were in the peripheral or kind of in the conversation for the playoff, in our opinions after week zero, after week one, that we would consider, quote, unquote, cross off teams? We're not quite there yet. Right?

[D]

Alabama.

[C]

Really?

[D]

Yeah. I don't give A what happened? I mean, first of all, to lose like that. That to that team that I do. Who do you think Alabama has a tough schedule this year, man. I'm gonna look it up right now. There is no way that you can think that that team is going to win 10 games this year. And if they don't win, I wonder.

[B]

How many games the Simpson will start before they go to Russell. Right. He was the number two quarterback in last year's class five star. I feel like that's sort of where it trends. Like, if it goes sideways, they just go to the young guys, bro.

[D]

They're at Georgia. They're at Mizzou. They could lose that game to Tennessee.

[B]

Zoo look great, by the way.

[D]

Yeah, Mizzou look good. They're at South Carolina. They got LSU in Oklahoma, bro. They're. And at Auburn this year. No, man, I just. I think it's. Sometimes you don't want to overreact to week one, but I think I saw enough of Bama unless they still got some residual goodwill from the College Football playoff committee or whatever, and they're just like, man, you know, we kind of.

[C]

Got to put Alabama in there.

[B]

I got snubbed last year. Can't go back to back.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, we can't do that two years in a row. We got to figure out a way. But. But other than that, I don't. I'm not that what I saw there. I mean, I just can't imagine that they'll be a playoff team this year.

[C]

So I, I. So I agree with Joel from like a talent and team standpoint, meaning what team do I think markedly less of after watching them play? What team do I think, like, just not as good as I thought they were. And that seems to be Alabama right now. The reason why I'm not going to go Alabama is because they still have a chance based upon the schedule. The team that I think put themselves out of playoff contention this week was Boise State.

[B]

100.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

That's what I was. Yeah.

[C]

So Boise State now will not make the playoff. They don't have the remaining schedule yet to get in. This loss to usf, to me, takes Boise State. I'll actually look up their schedule. It's. It's. I. I personally think a loss like this for a Boise State is the type of loss that goes. You cannot make the playoff anymore, Bama. If there is a way that they could figure their out, they still have games where they could make. Now do I agree with you that it doesn't seem like they have the talent or the cohesion to do that. Yeah, but if they win those games that you're talking about, if they win, they lose one more time, but they win those games that you're talking about, they'll make the playoff. Boise State, I feel like it's out of the playoff.

[D]

Okay, wait, hold on. If Boise State were to win at Notre Dame, do you think that that's salvage?

[C]

Oh, man. Maybe.

[D]

See, because they do get one more chance.

[C]

They. They. They do get one more chance. But I'm willing to say if they were to win at Notre Dame, it's going to obviously going to be contingent on what other. What the other group of five teams do. But. Yeah, maybe, maybe. But I think for them losing at usf, or. Excuse me, Losing. Yeah, they lost at usf. Losing at usf, to me, that's the. That was the disqualifying loss, in my opinion.

[B]

Yeah. We also had a generational Tweet from Brett McMurphy after they took a 70 lead. He was like, I thought the humidity was going to stop the Broncos, all this sort of stuff. And then they did not score again in the rest of the rest of the game. So that was great.

[D]

Tampa long enough, though. It take a little bit for. To cook a little bit for them.

[B]

Start feeling it.

[D]

Start feeling it.

[C]

They're just not as good to get you. They're just not as good. They're just not as good as they were last year.

[D]

Yeah, that's. Well, I mean, it was really nice to have Aston Gente, you know?

[B]

Right. It made Genti look great. And also that defense that got 55 sacks and led the nation last year. It's a lot easier to pin your ears back and go after teams when, you know you're up 14 to 3 or whatever it is. Right. When they. They just struggle to get any sort of identity. And Byron Brown was great.

[D]

Yeah, man. Yeah. He looked really good coming out the knee injury, too, man. I was, you know, kind of worried. I was like, is he going to be the same guy? But he looked.

[B]

He looked like he trucked the safety, like, at the goal line.

[D]

Like, dude, he went into that guy intentionally too. Right. Like, he could have avoided that contact. And I was like, you ran into that guy intentionally.

[B]

That was crazy. Let's do some rapid fire, some quick hitters on the way out. Rich Rodriguez, West Virginia coach, he's back. And they got a win against Robert Morris on the level of 1 to 10. Van, how much do you care about Rich Rod's return?

[C]

Deeply?

[B]

Oh, like an 8, too.

[C]

I love it. Yeah. Okay.

[B]

There we go.

[C]

I loved when West Virginia was fun.

[B]

And they're playing pit this year. The. The Backyard Brawl is back.

[C]

It's back. I loved when they were fun. I loved playing with them on video games back in the day.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

I loved when they were fun and then when they started to fall off and they had some okay years, but when they started to fall off and things fell apart, I was like, man, we don't get. That's the essence of college football to me is the fact that West Virginia had their own style and their own culture and they cared about their football and they played their way, and it was a game you couldn't take lightly and a team that was outside of the elite for a long time, but very live team. And the fact that he went out into the wilderness and tried to figure out how to become one of the five biggest coaching names in the country didn't quite work out for him. But he came back home and now he gets a chance to elevate them again and elevate himself again. I think it's awesome. I want it to work out.

[B]

And there's still players that you see that will make you think of those West Virginia teams. Like, I was watching Jalen Lucas for Florida State today, and I'm like, is this Tavon Austin or Noel Devine? Like, some sort of, like, combination of those two guys? Right? You know what I mean? That's why I like. Yeah, I like to see the West Virginia guys get back in the fold. Another interesting storyline here. Kent State got their first win in two years thanks to Darrillis Clark. A return touchdown to win this game. They haven't won a game in two years. The Golden Flashes. Joel, did you know this? And how happy were you to see him get a win?

[D]

I did know this about Kent State. And now shout out to the Split Zone duo podcast, because they had. They. They did a. They had a series on, this is why you can't win win, basically. And Kent State was one of these special editions and they went through about how bad Kent State has been over the years. And it is pretty like the Mac schools are in a real bad situation as it is already because of the change with the nil and everything. Like, they're already resource poor, right?

[B]

They're getting poached.

[C]

All those teams, dudes that come, they're.

[D]

Like, oh, okay, you got. Look at that cornerback dog.

[C]

You know, whatever, right?

[D]

And like, Kent, Ohio, bro. Like, I mean, you know, look, no disrespect, you know, there's a lot of beautiful places in the country, and that's not one of them. Well, it's tough to get people to go to Kinstake, man. You don't go. You're not going to Kent State if you can go somewhere else, right?

[C]

Man, people live there, Joel. That's people's community.

[B]

If you're the realest. If you're the realest.

[D]

I look, man, I'm from Houston. You have to have a tough skin. People say the Houston's ugly and horrible and all this dangerous and. And I'm like, you know. Yeah, you probably right, dog. I still love it, though.

[C]

The last time I was in Houston, I. I was staying at a hotel in the arts part of Houston. Nice part.

[D]

Oh, yeah. Montrose, the Museum district.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, all of that.

[D]

Hotel Zaza.

[C]

Nah, not the Zaza. I don't think it was. It was something else. Anyway. It was a nice hotel. I was in Houston to do some business. A nice hotel and business. I, I shut up. Like, like, I get there and it's like, I don't know, it's like 9 o' clock at night and I'm about to. I get all my, my stuff in the room and I come downstairs and I'm like, yo, is there a CVS around here? And they go, yeah, it's one up the street. I was like, how far is it? The lady goes, 10, 10 minute walk. And I was like, okay, cool. She goes, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We'll have a car take you. I'm like, I was like, I don't need a car. To, to, to, to, to go up to walk 10 minutes to the CVS. Like, as a matter of fact, I've just been on the plane. I want to walk to the cvs, so I don't need a car. The woman goes, sir, it's Houston.

[D]

And.

[B]

You'Re gonna have a problem.

[C]

And she looked exactly like she was. Sir, it's Houston. And I was like, okay. And they. The car. You know the thing that I'll say.

[D]

The thing I'll say about Houston, and I had to explain this to a friend of mine from DC once. I was like, if you're walking in Houston, that means something bad has happened, you know, in your life. Like something has gone wrong. Like your car is broken down, like you're living on the street. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, if something has gone wrong in your life and when you look at you like that, it's like, man, why is that person walking Even if it's a five minute walk away, it's something I had to unlearn as I moved around the world and moved to cities, and I'm like, oh, walking can be a very nice activity or whatever. But in Houston, you don't ever think about it like that. It's like, why would I walk anywhere? What the are you talking about?

[B]

So, yeah, shout out to Kent. Shout out to Houston. We got three big games. Obviously, there's a huge game happening right now between the Tigers, Battle of Death Valley, but we got three big games. Two on Sunday, one on Monday. Just wanted to kind of like, forecast a little bit. We got the Beamer Bowl, Virginia Tech, South Carolina. We got Notre Dame, Miami, obviously, obviously tomorrow. And then we got Bill Belichick's first game. Tcu, North Carolina. Start, bench, cut. Van. Those three games, it's probably. Probably easy.

[C]

So for the most part, give them to me again. I was. So we got.

[B]

We got the Beamer Bowl, Virginia Tech, South Carolina. Some emotions will be involved. You know what I mean? Between the Beamer family, we got Notre Dame, Miami, and then we got tcu, North Carolina. Those are the three.

[C]

Okay, so I'm starting Notre Dame. I'm. I'm benching.

[D]

Wow.

[C]

TCU in North Carolina. And I'm cutting the Beamer out of here. Like, you know, I mean, Lenora Sellers.

[B]

Versus the Lunch Pail defense.

[C]

I'll watch all three of those games. All three of those games will be watched. But what you asked me was start, bench, cut. Now, like, I tell you guys something. This is only a football thing because if we were doing this just based off, like, who I want to see. I want to see Jordan. I want to see. I want to see Jordan take a team to the playoffs. The. The coach, the first female coach in the history of the NCAA football. NCAA major football. She's going to be calling her own place. She's gonna be like, Matt, Patricia. Oh, excuse me. We forgot to talk about something. I'm sorry, guys. This big van on, miss it. I got two words for you. Nipple rings.

[B]

I thought it was gonna be Raiola.

[C]

Man. We might have to split it up. Nipple rings, man. I never thought there was a nipple ring situation today, and I feel like that gave this culture edge. I'm not gonna talk about it. You gotta tune in. I feel like the nipple ring. Cause think about it, whenever you see somebody with a nipple ring, you go, I want to be around this because I want to know why. I want to see it under the shirt, girl.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

What are you up to.

[C]

I want to know why, what's happened, what's happening with you and it happened today. But no, that's my start. Bench cut. I don't want to take up too much oxygen.

[B]

No, that's great. So that's a nice tease there. Do you want to talk about Riola and Pat Mahomes and Taylor Swift and the Kelsey brothers? We didn't mention any of that because we were going to save it. Any thoughts? Any, Any. You know, I mean, obviously Pat Mahomes, Joel, he left the game early, so. Yeah, I mean, push back there.

[D]

The game looks sort of amazing. Did you see the crowd?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, crowd was great. Nebraska was great. I mean, their fans, like, they want it so bad. Like, as I watched that game, I was like, I almost want it for Nebraska because they want it so bad.

[D]

It's so fun. If you have never been to a game in Nebraska, you gotta go like, this is a great environment. Like, it's a lot of fun. So, yeah, it's good. It's good to see them potentially be good. So, yeah, no, I want to say, but can I, can I just for a second talk about vans team real quick? Tarleton State.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

Tarleton State, bro. We watched two Tarleton State because we were again, like last week they went up to Portland, beat Portland State, went across the country, man, think about the road trip that they had to make. This is a school in Stephenville, Texas. And I don't know if you all have ever been to Stephenville, Texas, but.

[C]

Before, never heard of it.

[D]

Yo, bro, you don't hurt. You know who's from Stephenville, Texas? You only. I'm gonna give you a list of names. You're going to be shocked at the list of people that are from Stephenville, Texas. You ready?

[B]

Yeah, I'm ready.

[D]

Jared Stidham.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

Kevin Cobb.

[B]

Oh, got QBs.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

Even Sneed.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

Oh, and since it's a big Manning Day, you remember Brandon Stewart? Does that name ring a bell? Texas A and M quarterback?

[C]

I do, yeah.

[D]

He battled Peyton Manning for the starting role at Tennessee.

[C]

Tennessee. Yeah.

[D]

His freshman year. That's right. Shout out Brandon.

[B]

With two wins, another Charlton State note, Billy Gillespie, former Kentucky basketball coach, much maligned and fired. He's the head coach at Charlton State. So there you go.

[C]

When I brought up Tarleton State on the group text, they beat Army. What did you say?

[B]

I just said that didn't happen under the previous administration. As far as I know. Ben got a kick out of that.

[C]

It was legitimately, it was good Funny. Legitimately funny. I'm telling y' all something, man. I had a conversation with Tate last week. I know we gotta go. I had a conversation because I gotta go. I gotta watch this game. I had a conversation with Tate last week where the Tate. The Tate came off. Tate and Tate started like. And me and Tate started talking, and Tate said something. Me and Tate are talking to. Tay goes, yeah, man, real talk. I'm like.

[D]

Man, he said real talk earlier, too, though.

[C]

Yes. He's like, yeah, man, real talk. Like, real talk. I'm like, what the is going on?

[B]

Hey, man, I was trained in the broadcasting school of commentating. You know what I mean? I. Sometimes you gotta. You know, real life is different. You know, that's what. That's what the people on Reddit don't know. You know what I mean? Real life is a little bit different, but we're having fun.

[D]

I want to be a part of that conversation, man. Just because I got Covid. Just because I got company. I mean, y' all can't talk to me, man.

[B]

Yeah, that is sort of the note. We got to make sure Joel feels better. He. He is doing this hurt right now. This is your flu game, your Covid game. So shout out to you for making it happen. Shout out to everybody for. In the chat, coming to watch us. We're going to be doing this every Saturday, so get used to it. We're going to be hanging here at Ringer Tailgate. We have lsu, Clemson, go watch that right now. Later on tonight, if you want reactions to that game, Todd McShay will be going live with Mench, and they will be breaking down what happened. But again, we appreciate everybody tuning in. Any parting thoughts, Van, before you go get locked in, any superstitions we need to abide by before this game continues?

[C]

You know, I think that there were a lot of people that thought that they are thinking right now that maybe these games are not living up to all of the hype. But they are.

[D]

They are.

[C]

I think that honestly, the Ohio State, Texas game was the most interesting version of itself. It wasn't the most entertaining version of itself, not by any stretch of the imagination, but that that game today was the most interesting version of itself to where we come away. We have just as many questions as we've. We have answers.

[B]

True.

[C]

And we are wanting more and to learn more about each team and about, you know, those programs in and of themselves. We're not probably going to come away from this week with having any clue who the best team in America is. And that's good for college football.

[B]

Yeah, it's a great point. Ohio State, are they the number one team in the country? I guess they should be. But do they jump Penn State, who was voted in front of them? That's fascinating. Joel, any parting thoughts?

[D]

I don't know what the hell to make of Alabama or Florida State now. Right? And that was like. I mean, I thought I was going to have a little bit more clarity. I thought I had more clarity on what those two teams were coming into this weekend. And now I'm like, I have no idea what to expect from either one of those teams right now. Like, you could tell me that Alabama recovers and goes 111 and goes to the playoff, and I actually, that seems less likely than them going 7 and 5, you know, and for Florida State, like, who knows. Who knows what this means? But they're not. I mean, if they're as good as we think they might be, their schedules, acc, man, they set up. I mean, they got to play Florida, of course, and whatever, but, I mean, they could.

[B]

I mean, Tommy Castellano's Heisman eyes might be better than Arch Manning tomorrow morning, you know what I mean? Like, that's. That's how much today flipped. Yeah, that's what. That's what the craziest part is, you.

[D]

Know, man, see if. See if you can call Seattle, man. See if you can get your whole thing back, bro.

[B]

You know, I think Pat Chung, Washington's ad, he's probably ready to pick up the phone. He'll. He'll answer and see what's going on. Jed Fish said it was a great time for college football, though. And like Van said, it's a great time to be viewing and watching and enjoying college football. We appreciate everybody tuning in and watching it and enjoying it with us. We will be back on Wednesday. We got big Van on campus. We got a lot of takes. We got Arch Manning memes galore. We got a lot coming. So we appreciate everybody tuning in and enjoy the Clemson, LSU game. Good luck, Van.