March Madness Takeover Begins

Summary

Ringer Tailgate – "March Madness Takeover Begins"

Date: March 18, 2026
Hosts: Van Lathan, Joel Anderson, Tate Frazier, Billy Gill

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Episode Overview

This high-energy episode marks the "March Madness Takeover" on Ringer Tailgate, blending sharp college football analysis with March Madness anticipation and classic sideline banter. Van Lathan, Joel Anderson, Tate Frazier, and Billy Gill kick off NCAA Tournament season with irreverence, heated debates, and plenty of joked-filled asides. The crew reflects on their bracket philosophies, historic upsets, key players and coaches, and the state of both college basketball and college football. The first half is peppered with playful squabbling and social media drama before the conversation dials into basketball, focusing on the tournament landscape, standout teams, coaching legacies, and their championship picks.

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Key Themes & Segments

1. Show Gimmicks and Social Media Shenanigans

(01:19–09:14)

• The show opens with light-hearted ribbing about their show’s signature “raise the roof” gimmick and defending themselves against a critical listener:

  “Anybody that thinks we gonna stop raising the roof now… I don’t know anybody else that has a gimmick that is a cultural phenomenon that's proprietary to their actual podcast.” – Van (02:32)

• The crew debates Joel’s penchant for clapping back in the comments and his general online combativeness.

• Joel recounts engaging with trolls on Threads, particularly handling homophobic jabs and his response in defense of himself and his family:

  “Don’t come here. See, the thing that makes me mad is the homophobia that you're trying. Like, you're trying to imply, that you're trying to make me. I don't know... he wants me to respond with homophobia, and--” – Joel (08:09)

Memorable Exchange

• Playful drama over whether Billy and Tate tried to “intervene” in Joel’s social media habits:

  “We're getting close to social media intervention time. And intervention is something that friends do for each other... You took that as a direct abuse of authority.” – Van (04:52)
  “I thought he was speaking with the authority of a manager.” – Joel (05:22)

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2. College Football & Press Conference Antics

(09:19–16:42)

• Sidestep into Van’s presence at the Sycamore studio and a tangent about Snoop Dogg, then a major running joke: Joel’s inability to confront prominent figures (like Paul Finebaum) on tough topics.
• The group does a “role play” of Joel confronting Finebaum about his supposed association with Trump, poking at how their on-air personas versus real conversations differ.

  “We got a book Finebaum! ...Got no problem having that conversation with them. I don’t usually talk to people where I say, 'you ain’t got no hoes' or anything like that.” – Joel (13:22)

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3. March Madness Preview – Tournament Energy & Bracket Philosophies

(16:47–24:52)

• Transitioning into basketball, Billy asks the crew about their March Madness enthusiasm, bracket strategies, and the magic of upsets.

• Joel reflects on how his interest has shifted post-marriage and lauds the interconnectedness unique to the NCAA Tournament.

  “They [the 15 and 16 seeds] are the magic. The San Diego States, the Florida Atlantics, the George Masons, VCUs, Loyolas... in college basketball, Gonzaga and Butler can happen. But in college football, dare you attempt to aspire beyond your meager accommodations... they don’t do that in college basketball.” – Joel (17:55–18:23)

• Extended discussion of Miami of Ohio’s bid, undefeated season, and how the committee grades “resume” and schedule strength.

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4. The State of College Basketball: Star Power & Coaching Transitions

(19:44–24:25)

• Van argues college basketball is experiencing a renaissance:

  “College basketball is back, baby, with a capital B... There weren’t enough contrasting styles... Now I see this. I see five or six different types of star player in college basketball...” – Van (21:21)

• Billy and Van praise the new wave of coaches (e.g., Dusty May, Ryan Odom, Jay Lucas, Jon Shire) filling the void as legends retire.

• Quick aside about Duke and North Carolina rivalry and an “all-time worst” UNC sports season; Tate takes it on the chin referencing college football struggles and luck of the draw in basketball.

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5. In-Depth: Star Players & Winning DNA

(27:18–37:57)

• Group debates the game and upside of Duke’s Cam Boozer, making comparisons to Marvin Bagley and Paolo Banchero:

  “I think he’s probably a little bit of a better shooter than Paolo is... Boozer is one of those guys who helps the bottom line. Usually takes a level of maturity...” – Van (28:57; Billy, 31:58)

• Discussion pivots to “winning DNA”—whether being the “ace” and consistently winning at every level truly translates to stardom in college and NBA.

  “There is something to that. Players…who are always winning, especially as the aces, are very easy to build around. On the converse, singular talents that never win anything—maybe their style is tougher to win around.” – Van (30:09)

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6. More March Madness – Prospects, Matchups, and Predictions

(37:26–58:49)

• Discussion of Cooper Flagg, Darren Peterson, and a talent stack check for potential lottery picks.
• The crew debates one-and-done paths, player comparisons, and the specifics of Duke’s roster.
• Joel and Billy talk Houston’s prospects with Kelvin Sampson and whether Arizona is Houston’s kryptonite.
• Discussion about travel for tournament games, San Diego spring break, and the beach comparison tangent (Galveston vs. Biloxi), full of Gulf Coast nostalgia:

  “Galveston is what I call a starter beach, it’s where you go to the beach at first, then you go to other beaches.” – Van (45:10) “Galveston is much better than Biloxi.” – Joel (45:19)

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7. Greatest Coaches of March Madness 2026

(48:53–54:09)

• Billy provides a roll call of March Madness coaching legends in the tournament: Rick Pitino, Bill Self, John Calipari, Fred Hoiberg, Hubert Davis, Kelvin Sampson, Tommy Lloyd, Rick Barnes, etc.
• Joel and Van both articulate their admiration for John Calipari:

  “I like him for the same reasons that I like Nick Saban... Unabashed about the fact that it was a football factory. That’s what I like about John Calipari; hey, look man, this guy made so many millions of dollars. I got this guy to come in here…” – Joel (51:03) “People underrated a part of John Calipari’s legacy and that is his single-minded focus in getting these guys to the NBA... never ever, ever bashful about the fact his job is to get your son from high school to the NBA.” – Van (52:13)

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8. Championship Picks – The Big Predictions

(54:49–63:14)

• Rapid-fire national championship picks:
  • Van: Duke

    “I have a lot of belief in Cam Boozer and their ability to get it done. I think I'm picking Duke.” (56:07)

  • Joel: Arizona

    “They’re a great rebounding team... very good defensive team. One of the few teams when I look at Houston I’m like, ‘God damn, they’re tougher than them’... I gotta think that Arizona’s going to win.” (57:29)

  • Billy: Houston

    “I’m going to pick Houston this year. I think it just kind of breaks their way.” (58:28)

  • Tate: Gonzaga

    "I'm gonna go with the Zags." (64:11)

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9. Final Banter and Notable Moments

(63:14–End)

• Hilarious crosstalk about TSA metal detectors for tall people (Joakim Noah sighting at the airport).
• A recurring joke: who is the most famous person in each host’s phone?
• Joel’s running tally of who he “dissed” this week (Rachel Lindsay, Moco Fire, Biloxi, Atlanta, Paul Finebaum), with mock outrage and self-aware humor.
• Final tease of next week’s episode (Marcus Lattimore interview).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote/Paraphrase | |-----------|-------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:32 | Van Lathan | "Anybody that thinks we gonna stop raising the roof now ... it's a cultural phenomenon." | | 08:09 | Joel Anderson | "Don’t come here. The thing that makes me mad is the homophobia... wants me to respond with homophobia, and..." | | 17:55 | Joel Anderson | "They [the 15 and 16 seeds] are the magic ... In college basketball, Gonzaga and Butler can happen." | | 21:21 | Van Lathan | "College basketball is back, baby, with a capital B... I see five or six different types of star player in college basketball." | | 24:52 | Joel Anderson | "[UNC football] signed the greatest coach ever... one of the worst, most disappointing seasons... Your basketball team was actually good, but your young freshman is gone..." | | 30:09 | Van Lathan | "Players ... who are always winning, especially as aces, are very easy to build around ... On the converse, singular talents never win..." | | 45:10 | Van Lathan | "Galveston is what I call a starter beach, it's where you go to the beach at first, then you go to other beaches." | | 51:03 | Joel Anderson | "I like Calipari for the same reasons as Saban: he was unabashed about being a football factory." | | 52:13 | Van Lathan | "People underrated ... Calipari's single-minded focus in getting these guys to the NBA." | | 56:07 | Van Lathan | "I'm picking Duke."| | 57:29 | Joel Anderson | “Arizona’s going to win.” | | 58:28 | Billy Gill | “I'm going to pick Houston this year.” | | 64:11 | Tate | "I'm gonna go with the Zags." |

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Summary Table: Championship Picks

| Host | Pick | Rationale | |---------------|----------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Van Lathan | Duke | Cam Boozer’s impact, team peaking, defense | | Joel Anderson | Arizona | Toughness, rebounding, defense, NCAA-tested | | Billy Gill | Houston | Season’s arc, regional advantage, belief it’s their year despite Joel’s skepticism | | Tate Frazier | Gonzaga | Contrarian pick to avoid duplicates, tactical against the Arizona/Houston picks |

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Episode Highlights

• March Madness preview with inside-baseball analysis and wild banter.
• Podcast gimmick “raising the roof” defends its place as cultural capital for the show.
• Role-played confrontations with Finebaum blend parody, reluctant realism, and real-world sports media dynamics.
• Debate over what “winning DNA” means in basketball, both at the college and pro level.
• Genuine praise for evolving coaching landscape and player/coach development cycles.
• Regional rivalry, nostalgia for “starter beaches,” and the perennial Duke–UNC–Houston triangle of hope and heartbreak.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Show

This episode is a blend of sports expertise, locker room jokes, and genuine sports nostalgia. The crew’s breakdown of player archetypes, tourney paths, and the real “energy” of March Madness is both analytic and laugh-out-loud funny. If you want bracket tips (but also brackets trashed), dish on Duke, Houston, and Arizona, or just want to hear what real college sports fans sound like when the mics are hot, this is your episode.

Next week: Interview with Marcus Lattimore.
March Madness Takeover is officially underway—pick your bracket, and keep raising the roof.

Transcript

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[Billy Gill]

Welcome back to Ringer Tailgate, the Wednesday edition of the show. It is the time of the year that I love the most. It is March Madness season. Before we get into that, we're gonna do some headlines as well with college football. Let's say what's up to our guys, Van Lathan in studio. What's up, Van?

[Van Lathan]

What up, what up, what up? What up? What up, Tailgate? Raise that roof, guys.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, there's. There's one guy out there who's upset that we raised the roof, and I think he's taking shots at Joel. So we need Joel to get in the comments and maybe fight back at some point, let's say. I don't know. We'll figure it out. You'll figure it out, I'm sure. Let's say what's up to our guy, Joel Anderson. Joel, how's it going, man?

[Joel Anderson]

What's up, man? You dog. What's up? What's up?

[Van Lathan]

What's going to happen already?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I don't. The thing is, the reason I don't think I said anything to that person because I assume was it being said in jest or is that a person that really is out there that is against me and doing the raise the roof thing?

[Billy Gill]

I don't know. I just think it's, you know, we need a little bit of madness here on the show for madness. So I wanted to send you down the lane. You know, I think that's.

[Joel Anderson]

Come on we need a gimmick. I mean, it's just a. It's a gimmick. Guys, get the out of here now. I mean, I really did invent the. But it's also a gimmick. It gives us an identity in this crowded college football podcast marketplace.

[Van Lathan]

Anybody that thinks we gonna stop raising the roof now, first of all, I don't know anybody else that has a gimmick that is a cultural phenomenon that's proprietary to their actual podcast.

[Joel Anderson]

That's what's up.

[Van Lathan]

You think we about to start raising the roof now? Nah, the roof is raised.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, we're gonna keep raising the roof.

[Van Lathan]

I'm on Joe's side. You too? Who is that guy?

[Billy Gill]

We don't know. Joe will find out. We will see in the comments.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm glad I've been freed to go after people in the comments again. Somebody. Somebody tried to step in, and, you know, now looks like I've been freed, so. Thanks.

[Van Lathan]

Who tried to step in? The Duke.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, the Duke there, of course, the Duke here.

[Billy Gill]

By the way, Billy Gill. We missed it last week.

[Joel Anderson]

Welcome back.

[Van Lathan]

Come on, man. What's going on? Yeah, you tried to stop Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah.

[Tate]

I. I. No, I did not try to stop Joel. I just said, Joel, why are you fighting with all the commenters? Like you could just let some things slide. You don't need to get in fights with everybody in your life. And he doesn't like this. He wants to fight with everyone for some reason.

[Joel Anderson]

That's not true.

[Billy Gill]

227 energy.

[Tate]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

No, no, no, no. Because, Billy, you did say something about maybe we don't need to say anything to people. You know, maybe. Maybe there'll be a. Maybe we'll need to have a conversation about what's appropriate or something along those lines.

[Tate]

No, no, no, no. I did not know. I did not say we have to have a conversation what's appropriate. I said, I think that we have

[Van Lathan]

a conversation about what's appropriate. No, that sounds like. That sounds like a sunning.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, shut up. Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Hey. Conversation about what's in what's appropriate. That sounds like a sunning there, Skippy Joel Jr. Now, like you is Billy Big Daddy.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, hold on.

[Van Lathan]

Billy Big Daddy.

[Joel Anderson]

Hold on, hold on. First of all, for a second, it

[Van Lathan]

sounds like raise the roof. Oh, no.

[Joel Anderson]

Here we go.

[Van Lathan]

Here's the.

[Joel Anderson]

Here's the. Here's the text. I wasn't paying attention to nothing y' all said, so I'm good.

[Tate]

Good.

[Joel Anderson]

We're getting close to social media intervention time. Yeah, that's okay. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

That's completely not what the fuck you just said.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, okay.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, well, I just thought it was like, sort of like warning me that, hey, people are paying attention.

[Billy Gill]

I think that's the way that you took it. But that's not what he said.

[Tate]

Yeah, no.

[Van Lathan]

This is such a brilliant moment for us to unpack. Also, I said was.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

[Van Lathan]

No, what Billy said was this. We're getting close to social media intervention time. And intervention is something that. That friends do for each other. Friends that are on the same perch that want to say, hey, hi, how's it going? Maybe too much. What you took that is. Is with a direct abuse of authority. See how everything gets turned into a slight. That is what just. That's what just happened. He didn't say anything of the sort. Like, he was.

[Joel Anderson]

I thought he was speaking with the authority of a. Of a manager.

[Tate]

Well, that. What. What did you say just before that? Because I remember, like, you were.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, you don't want me to say that. Do you really want me to read that text right before.

[Van Lathan]

Read the text, read the text.

[Tate]

What did you say that was leading to, like, maybe we need an intervention here?

[Joel Anderson]

Do you want me to.

[Van Lathan]

Ouch.

[Joel Anderson]

You want me to complete it?

[Van Lathan]

Not on the podcast.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, not on the podcast. Are you nuts?

[Van Lathan]

Like, like, as a matter of fact, leave it. Leave that in the podcast, but bleep that whole thing. Like, leave that in the podcast, but.

[Joel Anderson]

Are you nuts? No.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, you want to do.

[Tate]

Look, that's not what it was.

[Joel Anderson]

No, look, I think it was cuz

[Billy Gill]

he was on threatening people.

[Tate]

Yes.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, my bad. That's why I asked. I was like, why do you guys want me to say this? It just. I thought they would. I thought they wanted me to.

[Billy Gill]

You had isolated the incidents to Twitter or X and then we saw you on Threads doing the same thing and we were like, Joel, no, this.

[Tate]

This is. This is what you said that I said, we may need an intervention.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, no.

[Tate]

So someone put up a picture that just said, action speaks louder than words. I don't know what this was about.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, yeah, you were missing important context then.

[Tate]

Okay, so what's the context?

[Joel Anderson]

The context is that I went on Threads and asked people, I said, hey, look, my best friend is going to be coming into town. What are some ideas for places to go in the dmv? I was like, just, you know, give, you know, whatever crowds are facing. We're middle aged. We're middle aged married men. We're not going to do nothing hot we just want to get out and have fun. And so then a bunch of people sent suggestions. This guy in particular said something like, oh, you and your secret gay boyfriend want to go out for dinner, and you're looking for a lovely place.

[Tate]

That's not what this is at all.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tate]

That might have been someone else.

[Joel Anderson]

That was. No, that was further up the thread. Cause I remember with the. Now I'm looking at his. I'm looking at his picture and who he is. Moco Fire strains only. Okay. And do you want me to hear what I said to him? I'll just say it.

[Tate]

What did you say to him?

[Joel Anderson]

Ain't nobody fucking with you, bro. You have no friends or customers and probably no hoes. Lol. Get a real job. Get a real job.

[Tate]

To that, I said, maybe we need a social media intervention.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, see, now. And now it makes sense.

[Joel Anderson]

But. But, I mean, you supposedly sell weed. You the weed man from Montgomery County. You've got no followers. Nobody. Nobody is. Nobody's messing with your business, bro. You know what I'm saying? Whatever you trying is not working, so you should try something else. And again, I'm not worried. I. Me and my buddy are married. You can't. You can call me gay and whatever, bro.

[Billy Gill]

You're saying you and. You and your buddy are married.

[Joel Anderson]

That's not a. That is not something.

[Van Lathan]

You guys are married to different people.

[Billy Gill]

Different people. Yeah, I'm like the plug. Don't use that against.

[Joel Anderson]

Don't come here. See, the thing that makes me mad is the homophobia that you're trying. Like, you're trying to imply that you're trying to make me. I don't know. Actually, this is really. It's really hard to explain here, but he's saying he wants me to respond with homophobia, and.

[Van Lathan]

And I'm mad as an insult, which we don't do. It would be beautiful if you and

[Billy Gill]

your homeboy were actually together.

[Van Lathan]

We're actually together.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Absolutely. Wouldn't be a problem.

[Tate]

You did reply to that, though, by saying you probably have no hoes.

[Van Lathan]

Ah, Billy.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean. I mean, he's trying to. That is toxic about going out with a. With a. With a. You know, a girl, you know. Look, man, what do you want me to do? All right, I'm sorry again.

[Billy Gill]

Which goes back to why Billy stepped in. And again, this is on threads. You said threads. A safe space. That's why we were worried. This happens.

[Joel Anderson]

Let's get. The funny thing is, there's two other pieces of that. After you. You said, let's get to a social media intervention time. I said, okay. Can I ask y' all for some help? Nobody replies. And then Van just text another text a tweet in there. Nobody responded to my request for help.

[Billy Gill]

I think the text bros were talking about something else on another thread. We got confused.

[Tate]

Yeah, okay.

[Joel Anderson]

Excuse me. Yeah. So y' all just decided not to respond?

[Billy Gill]

Streams.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I got confused. Anyway, what. What do we have? Do you guys want me to talk about? Hey, Van. What? What's up? What's up, doc? Who's at the studio today, dog? Where you at today?

[Van Lathan]

Shut up.

[Joel Anderson]

Are you saying. Did you cuck out?

[Van Lathan]

I'm at Sycamore Win.

[Joel Anderson]

Are you a Sycamore right now? Who's else is Sycamore?

[Van Lathan]

Who's that? Sycamore.

[Joel Anderson]

Who's a Sycamore? Who you talking about? For real?

[Van Lathan]

I have no.

[Joel Anderson]

Snoop is there.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, yeah, no. Snoop is there. He's gone now.

[Tate]

Yes.

[Joel Anderson]

Run up on Snoop.

[Van Lathan]

What?

[Joel Anderson]

What? Nah, because you told me. I mean, all the other times I've had to cuck out when I run into people or whatever. So it's your turn. You know what I'm saying?

[Billy Gill]

You owe.

[Van Lathan]

You owe Snoop some couple of. Couple of. Couple of things. Number one, Snoop is not on the podcast. Snoop is on somebody else's podcast. Not if that I'm about to. That I'm about to run into the other room. Yeah, nigga, let me tell you. Nah, it's not like that. But if Snoop. If Snoop is not that serious. If Snoop was on my podcast or if I was on Snoop's podcast and I had said something about Snoop supporting Donald Trump or performing at Trump parties, whatever the fuck you want to say, then I would bring it up. I wouldn't, like, act like it didn't happen, which is what you did on Paul Feinbaum situation.

[Joel Anderson]

That's not.

[Van Lathan]

By the way, can I say something about you? And you know what the interesting thing about it is? Because somebody brought this up to me, the interesting thing is that's not what you do. What I am still wondering is why you did it for flying bomb. You don't do that. You don't let any perceived slight.

[Joel Anderson]

That's not true. That's not true. Oh, it's just your conversation with Bomani is that.

[Billy Gill]

No.

[Joel Anderson]

Was that the conversation y' all were having? Yeah. All right.

[Van Lathan]

Anyway.

[Joel Anderson]

No, the thing about the fine bomb thing is that it just. That just did not feel like there was a good moment to get to that. Like, I just. I don't know how to I don't know how to explain it. I'm not. It's not like I'm afraid to have a conversation with them. Let's role play.

[Billy Gill]

Let's role play.

[Tate]

Tate, you be Fine Bomb, and you set it up. And then, Joel, you say. You say to Fine Bomb what you would have said if you got the right moment.

[Billy Gill]

Joel, what do you love about Alabama?

[Joel Anderson]

Me? Are you asking me that question?

[Billy Gill]

No, that's what Fine Bomb was asking you.

[Joel Anderson]

What do I love about Alabama team or is it State?

[Van Lathan]

What?

[Billy Gill]

All the above, Joe.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, okay. Well, I mean, one thing I love about Alabama, man, is just the consistency and the expectations that the fans have for the program. You know, I think you're. You don't get to win.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, wait, you know what?

[Joel Anderson]

I kind of got lost in answer to what I thought about Alabama, to be honest. I got. I can't see. I kind of ripped off on that.

[Van Lathan]

What is it about Fine Bomb?

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, here we go. Okay, hold on.

[Van Lathan]

Look, I'm trying to do a savage on Moco 59, a thousand. But for some reason, it's not. It's not coming through like.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, well, okay, let me. Let me just. Let me see if I can. If I can do this now, because you're trying to figure. Oh, come on, dog. Okay, I'm trying to think about it. Okay? So, like. Yeah, Paul. So anyway, look, man, I'm glad you had me on. I was a little worried you might not have me on because, you know, I'm not a big fan of Trump. Right. And he'd be like, yeah, well, you know, we can talk all kind of political views here. And I'd be like, yeah, I hear what you're saying, but some political views are a little bit more corrosive and undignifying than most. And I just, you know, I just. I was kind of surprised. I got to be honest. I thought, you know what I'm saying, You from Alabama, but you like one of us. You know what I'm saying? That you had, you know, we've had conversations. I was a little surprised. Doesn't mean that I don't. With you. Just means I'm surprised. Okay. All right, now let's talk about. Now let's talk about Kaylyn DeBoer. Okay, Joe, I think this is good for him.

[Tate]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Does that work? I don't think it's abrasive. Is it?

[Van Lathan]

Hey, you know what? This is what we're going to do. This is the only way to deal with this.

[Joel Anderson]

All right?

[Van Lathan]

We got a book. Fine Bomb.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, yeah, we got a book.

[Van Lathan]

Fine Bomb. We got Allison. I got to reach out to Allison. Reach out to Allison. Yeah, we got a book. Fine Bomb.

[Tate]

You're getting nervous.

[Joel Anderson]

Got no problem having that conversation with them. I'm not gonna. You know, I don't get it confused. I don't usually talk to people where I say, you ain't got no hoes or anything like that. Like, that's just not. I don't like to talk to people.

[Billy Gill]

You wouldn't say that. Define bomb.

[Joel Anderson]

No, Definitely wouldn't say it. Fine Bomb.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, don't say.

[Joel Anderson]

But sometimes I feel like when. If you want to be nasty, then it. Then I can be nasty, too.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, you're not afraid to get in the mud, that's for sure.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's right.

[Van Lathan]

Nasty. I can, Daddy.

[Joel Anderson]

That's right. Yeah, that's what's up.

[Billy Gill]

Big daddy talk from Joel right there. All right.

[Joel Anderson]

I think.

[Billy Gill]

I think we solved something.

[Van Lathan]

That's what he told the podiatrist.

[Joel Anderson]

Shut up, you. That. See, look.

[Van Lathan]

No, you started it. You started it.

[Billy Gill]

I think when we get Fine Bomb on Van and Billy, we all just cut our cameras and it's just. Joel,

[Tate]

why is this going to be talking about college football? Football. He's not gonna say anything to him.

[Joel Anderson]

You're saying. Oh, you guys think. I'm not gonna say.

[Tate]

You had a chance to.

[Joel Anderson]

You think I'm. You guys think I'm afraid to say that? To pile Paul Finebaugh.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

All right, bring him on. Come on. Let's get it.

[Billy Gill]

All right. We'll reach out.

[Joel Anderson]

Cam Newton gift. All right. You know, let's. Let's role play.

[Tate]

Let's role play just one more time before we actually do the show. So Tate is Fine Bomb again. And we've just turned off all our cameras. This is you and Fine Bomb. And you're driving now tailgate. What do you say?

[Joel Anderson]

Well, hey, Paul, thanks. Thanks for coming on here, man. And, you know, one thing I wanted to think about, because we talked about it on our show even, is when I came on your show a couple months ago, that I had been critical of you flirting with the idea of being the Republican senatorial candidate out of Alabama. And the reason that we brought that up is because.

[Billy Gill]

Well, thanks for welcoming to the show, Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Right. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

No, I was like, no, Paul, you get to. No, Paul, you'll get to respond. Paul, you'll get to respond. I. I was just a little disappointed because having known you known a lot about your background, the causes you believe in the people you associate with. I just was a little bit surprised that you were with the Trump. And you know, that doesn't mean I think you're a bad person. I do feel most. I'd be like, no, let me. Hey.

[Van Lathan]

But like, let me finish up.

[Joel Anderson]

What I would say is that it's different energy.

[Tate]

Joe.

[Joel Anderson]

No, this is totally different.

[Van Lathan]

Joe.

[Billy Gill]

Joe, he's not here. Calm down.

[Van Lathan]

Making like he's not. You could have actually. What am I supposed to do?

[Joel Anderson]

Was I supposed to fake? What is that?

[Van Lathan]

What am I supposed to Bro, what is going on?

[Joel Anderson]

So you're going through all of this

[Van Lathan]

shit to get to the fucking Fine Bomb. Like, just fucking ask him.

[Tate]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, I don't fuck with that Trump shit you want, you cue ball headed motherfucker.

[Joel Anderson]

No, no, no.

[Van Lathan]

That's how you talk to everybody else.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm very deliberate. Preten said it right. I'm being judged.

[Billy Gill]

Joel, I think you should do like the water boy moment where like you picture Billy's face on Fine Bomb and then you talk with that same energy.

[Tate]

That's really.

[Joel Anderson]

You guys didn't like that? I thought that was a professional. Professional way to get to the conversation.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, it's tough. That's. That's a tough one. All right, well, Tate, take.

[Joel Anderson]

That's why I'm not a host. That's why Tate is the host. That's why on. Brian is the host.

[Billy Gill]

Well, let's get into it. Let's. Let's start talking about March Madness. We nice off the rails start to the show. We love it again. It is March Madness season. I just wanted to get a temperature are checked on you guys. How you feel about March Madness? How much do you care? Do you have any bracket philosophies? Joe, I'll go to you first because you're properly flustered at this point, but.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, man.

[Billy Gill]

2026 NCAA tournament. Your thoughts? I mean, are you excited for it? Do you care? Do you watch? Do you think about it from a lens of like the whole athletic department? Like, what's your take on the NCAA tournament?

[Joel Anderson]

I think that if I was once again a single man, this would probably be one of my favorite times of the year because I would just want to do nothing else but be on the Internet and look up all the capsules for all 68 teams and watch every game. I might not even. I don't. The thing is, is that if we had this job and I was single, I wouldn't even have to take off work to do it, you know? And I Would just totally immerse myself in learning about Maryland. Baltimore county, right?

[Billy Gill]

And they're out of the tournament, Joe.

[Joel Anderson]

They did they lose in the first four. But you know what?

[Billy Gill]

They lost to Howard. Howard's first tournament win. Great moment last night.

[Joel Anderson]

We are a Howard household. My wife went as the G. Howard's

[Billy Gill]

my guy, sent me some notes before the game, and then Howard got the first win.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man, that's what's up, man. Yeah, we are a Howard household here. So that's what's up. So I would love to lose myself in that. But one thing I just gotta think about, because the reason I also like this time of year is that all these leagues, all these teams, they understand the interconnectedness of it all. They understand, like, there's a sense of belonging, the understanding that, hey, the 15 and 16 teams are part of the magic here, man. Like, this is why people are turning in to see what they're going to do.

[Van Lathan]

Are the magic.

[Joel Anderson]

They. They are the magic. The. The San Diego states, the Florida Atlantics, the, you know, George Masons, VCUs, Loyolas, whatever, right? Like in. In. In college basketball, Gonzaga and Butler can happen. But in college football, dare you. Dare you attempt to aspire beyond your meager accommodations of the Big 12 or the ACC that everybody's trying to on you? You know, there's like, we didn't play. You didn't play 7 and 4 Vanderbilt. How do we know how good you actually are? You 5 and 6. Florida in the Swamp in November is a very tough game. All that kind of shit be coming up. But they don't do that in college basketball. Which is why I was so happy that everybody just realized that Bruce Pearl was bringing. Because he was trying to bring that dumb SEC shit into basketball. And everybody's like, no, this is ridiculous. You lost to Mississippi State. No, miss, you. You ain't even the champions of Mississippi. You don't belong in a tournament. But, you know, so that's what I really love about college basketball.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah. Miami of Ohio, together, undefeated in the regular season, obviously didn't play any Q1 teams, which again, the. The quads or the net system that we use. Nobody really cares about the net until you get to the resumes. And it still really doesn't matter. But Miami of Ohio was 30 and oh. Or 31 and oh, I should say, in the regular season. And they're in the NCAA tournament. Auburn is not. Van, your take on the NCAA tournament, Any general thoughts? How do you feel about the tournament?

[Van Lathan]

What seed did Miami Ohio end up getting?

[Billy Gill]

An 11 seed. They're in Dayton. They're playing tonight.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, so they're playing SMU.

[Van Lathan]

That's a clear rebuke of their schedule.

[Joel Anderson]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

They're 31 seed and they lost in

[Billy Gill]

their conference tournament to UMass, to Frank Martin.

[Van Lathan]

Right. That's a clear rebuke of their. Of their.

[Joel Anderson]

I think five years ago they wouldn't have got in, but go ahead. Maybe. Well, you go undefeated in the regular

[Billy Gill]

season, you're going to get in.

[Van Lathan]

You're gonna get into the NCAA tournament. What are you talking about?

[Joel Anderson]

I don't know.

[Van Lathan]

Because you're gonna get into the tournament. They're gonna get in tournament in the regular.

[Billy Gill]

I mean, going to Dayton was how they got banished. Yeah, but they still got in.

[Van Lathan]

So this is what I'll say. So to me, college basketball is back, baby, with a capital B. And I'll tell you why. The players. What has. What happened over the past? I don't know. Not last year, not even the year before. There was a time, though, when there just weren't that many dynamic players in college basketball. And not only were there not that many dynamic players in college basketball, there weren't enough contrasting styles. That to me, is what made college basketball so awesome. When I was growing up. You had McNamara, the little short white shooter from Syracuse, Right.

[Billy Gill]

Now he's the head coach of Siena, playing Duke in the first round.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Then you had the dominating big. Right. Then you had the sort of super veteran guard controlling everything. Jacques Vaughn, Ed Cota. You had so many different types of players in college basketball that were dynamic for different reasons. Then the guys from the smaller schools, the guys who were giving those guys the business in high leverage games. Now I see this. I see five or six different types of star player in college basketball, from the bansta to Peterson, all these questions around him. You have guys all over. Remember who's a little shifty guard that I sent you from Stanford? What's his name?

[Billy Gill]

Abuka? Corey.

[Van Lathan]

Ah, crazy.

[Billy Gill]

Not the tournament, but a great player.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, but like not, not in the tournament, but like the kid from Arkansas. You got so many.

[Joel Anderson]

You didn't even say Boozer.

[Van Lathan]

Boozer. Boozer is my favorite player.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, right. Okay.

[Van Lathan]

And then your man from. From North Carolina that you came up. So like all of these guys playing, he's unfortunately hurt.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I'm just saying though, in college basketball, all of these different guys have different games. Their games are efficient in different ways, their teams play in different ways. And that brought a lot of the sort of panache and the Versatility back to the game and made the game really what I used to love watching, which was a matchup of different styles from different conferences and teams oriented around different players.

[Billy Gill]

And we also lost a lot of legendary coaches around the same time that you're talking about. And we needed more coaches to kind of fill the void. And a guy like Dusty May, who 2023, takes Florida Atlantic to the Final Four. Now he's at Michigan in number one seed. Right. So a lot of these coaches have come in. Ryan Odom, who upset Virginia as a 16 seed the first time that we saw that, now he's with Virginia, has a number three seed and a really good team. So a lot of coaches that we didn't really have in the conversation are moving up the ladder, making some noise. John Lucas's son, Jay Lucas, Miami John. Yeah, we love Jay Lucas. John Shire, what he's been able to do with Duke taking over for Coach K in a.

[Van Lathan]

In a month in a place that a lot of people, A lot, A lot of people were wondering. Sorry, cut you off. A lot of people were wondering whether or not Jon Shire could continue the tradition of Coach K and continue the tradition of Duke busting North Carolina's ass in every sport in one year. Wow. Football, basketball, continuously busting NC's ass in every spot.

[Billy Gill]

North Carolina 2 and oh, against the spread.

[Joel Anderson]

Tate, when you side with Van, just remember that shit he just did to you.

[Van Lathan]

You.

[Joel Anderson]

You know what I'm saying? Just remember what he was doing. He was trying to antagonize you. But let me ask you this, because I was thinking about this and we, I, I hinted at this on our text thread where we're all on the same thread.

[Billy Gill]

Another text, bro. The other. We called the other.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, yeah, we got the other thread.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, the other thread. Yo, how is this not the worst UNC sports season of your lifetime? So I just, let me, let me make the case for it, okay? Not that I want to see you suffer, but it is what it is. Football. You signed the greatest football coach in football history. Okay?

[Billy Gill]

That was the hall of Fame said they said he's a score.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, okay, all right, all right. Well, not only did he make his, well knows, his personal life of mockery, but then he had like one of the worst, most disappointing seasons that anybody could have expected of a coach that great with that kind of stripes. Right? Your basketball team was actually pretty good. And then right as it appeared that you might have a chance to do something in a tournament, you're a young freshman who you're probably never going to see play basketball in Chapel Hill again. He's gone.

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[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Top five picks.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. Yeah, great.

[Van Lathan]

He's great.

[Joel Anderson]

You never played for North Carolina again.

[Billy Gill]

Well, his jersey will be there. In the meanwhile, Second team All American.

[Joel Anderson]

In the meanwhile, Duke wins the ACC Championship in football, and they're the top overall seed in men's basketball. And I just thought between, like, all of that coming together, that can't feel good, right? Like, that shit gotta hurt.

[Billy Gill]

Good job, Joel. Way to break that down for us.

[Joel Anderson]

Sorry. Well, I just thought. I wanted to know what you thought about that. Cause I was just thinking about it in that way, and I wondered if you saw it that way.

[Billy Gill]

I mean, look, Duke and Carolina, they're always going to be, you know, that's. You judge each other by what the other one is doing. That happens at times. And sometimes it's a Duke year, sometimes it's a Carolina year. 2009 was the most dominating, you know, team we've ever seen in the tournament. They win the national championship. The next year, North Carolina goes to the nit. Duke wins the national championship. So it's ebbs and flows. Seth Trimble, an incredible moment, hitting that shot. Also the football team. I mean, my God, I've seen a lot worse John Bunting, if you ever remember John Bunting. Oh, yeah, we've seen worse times.

[Joel Anderson]

So you don't think that football, all of this happening at once doesn't feel like, man, what a terrible year. Like you. Surely you don't want to live to see another year like this in sports, like for your favorite team and your least favorite team.

[Billy Gill]

Of course not. I mean, I want them to turn the tide. But it sounds like football is not going to be turned anytime soon. So, I mean, keep cash in check, shout out to my Guy Lombardi and then the basketball team. Tough draw of VCU in the first round. But if you beat VCU, maybe you can upset Illinois, get to the Sweet 16. That solves a little bit of the burn. But the real goal now is to stop Duke at all costs. And that's what my energy is. So that's why I keep picking Duke.

[Joel Anderson]

I like that. I like that kind of answer.

[Van Lathan]

Let me. Let me ask you a question. Is Seth Trimble in any way related to one Mellow Trimble, who I used to, like, watch playing basketball?

[Billy Gill]

Not related. He's related to JP Tokado. That's his brother who played in North Carolina.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I remember him as well.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, Mellow Trimble, not. Not related, but Also a really great player for Maryland. Maryland had a terrible year. I mean, I'd much rather be in Carolina spot than Maryland spot or Syracuse a spot or Georgetown spot. I mean, you know, there's a lot of teams that are trending in the wrong direction right now in college basketball. But we also have some great teams. The 1 seeds, Duke, Houston, Arizona and Michigan. Of those four, is there a team that you like of the 1 seeds? Van, you said you like Boozer. Do you like Duke?

[Van Lathan]

I like Boozer a lot. I think Boozer has a gigantic future as a big NBA star. I feel like it's interesting to me that like a lot of people aren't looking at his game and saying that those types of bigs are right now the prototypical bigs that succeed in the NBA. Big multifaceted guys who can step out and shoot the three, but also are great passers and playmakers who are highly competitive. Like, I really like him. I really like Duke. I think they're going to have a deep tournament run.

[Joel Anderson]

Man. Are, are you not scared about. Because, because you know more about basketball than me on this point. But what do you think about the idea that people say, well, Boozer is just like another Marvin Bagley. Like he's able to, you know, he's stronger than most college bigs.

[Billy Gill]

Got way better handles.

[Van Lathan]

I don't even see it at all. Handles the ball a lot better. He sees the court a lot better. This is take. Not to take anything away from. From Bagley, who is a great player in college, but I think he's just they. They. He's the engine to that team. And Marvin. Marvin Bagley was more the finisher to. To his team.

[Billy Gill]

I think more of a traditional big. He still was incredible.

[Van Lathan]

Additional. Yeah, yeah, he was fantastic. I don't want anything.

[Joel Anderson]

He's a great college basketball player. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

But for. But for Boozer, I think the Swiss Army Knight switch, Army knife sort of kind of reality of his skill set. It's a much different game than. Than Bagley was to me.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, man, you know, it's closer

[Billy Gill]

to like a Paolo than he is a bag.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

I was wondering as he athletic like that. I mean, because I think that not

[Billy Gill]

at Paolo's level, but I mean, he'

[Van Lathan]

athletic like Paolo is.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, he's not. Okay.

[Van Lathan]

But probably. I think he's probably a little bit of a better shooter than Paulo is.

[Billy Gill]

I mean people better shooter. I think he's got a better IQ when it comes to like the basketball IQ on the court. I mean, he's the backup point guard right now for them. Caleb Foster got hurt. They also got Gungba hurt right now. So Boozers, I mean, he's basically Kaden Boozer, his twin brother, is the point guard. And then when Kaden Boozer is not bringing the ball up, they have Cam Boozer bringing the ball up. So that kind of shows this, you know, multifaceted skill set.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, no. I mean, look, I, I believe, you know, the thing is that, that I saw that people were saying about him after the ACC championship is that he won a Florida high school championship. He won like a mythical national champion. Yeah, he's like never. He's like an incredible winner. Like in, you know, the international competition, his teams have won. He's got gold medals and shit. This is like, he is an incredible winner, which normally I don't give that stuff a lot of, you know, just like, man, at that level you never know who's playing against who is tough to say, but he's compiling quite a record. And like for him to have done what he did in the ACC and put up the numbers he put up, you know, let alone. It's not like he was a 14 point per game player of the year. Right. Like he has like.

[Van Lathan]

Can't say something about this, Joe. I'm glad you brought this up and I want to ask you guys a question.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I personally believe that there is something to that. I think players that are specifically the aces on their team when there's always a lot of winning that goes on around them, particularly in basketball, what that means is that you have a singular player that is very easy to build around and win on the converse. When they are these singular talents that in high school, in college and whatever in the pros and have never won anything that tells you that they might be fantastic, singular talents. But the way they do whatever it is that they do, it is more difficult to win with them. And that doesn't mean that they're not awesome, that doesn't mean that they're not amazing. What it means is that however good they are at the thing that they're do, they do, it doesn't quite lend itself to winning as much. When you look at Boozer, it's very evident why it's easy to win with him. He is an easy shot creator. He is a high percentage efficiency shooter.

[Joel Anderson]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

And he is also very competitive. So he raises the competitive level on your team by his leadership. He also gets other guys easy shots. And as a focal point of an offense, he can go down there and score in a lot of ways when he has to. There are other players that I can think of that scored a whole shit ton of points in high school and in college and now in their professional leagues that they have never won anything. And nobody really talks about it because you're not supposed to talk about it. I'm not going to bring names up, but I bet Tate knows who I'm talking about.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, we won't call out names. We'll be kind. But you're right, I mean, Cam Boozer is one of those guys who helps the bottom line. And I think that usually takes like a level of maturity to understand that. And you know, you saw it in the ACC championship game 13, 8 and 8. Didn't have a great game offensively, but found a way to win that game and made the winning plays to get it done. So, I mean, they got it going. Also, we got Darren Peterson versus Duke potentially in the sweet 16. So we can get Boozer versus Peterson.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, hold on. Yeah, I mean, here, look, the thing I'll just. Because I, I gotta. So. I think you can go too far with the winning. That's all I'm saying. Like, I know that it can matter, but, but it doesn't always matter.

[Van Lathan]

I think you can go too far with.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, with the winning. With winning at lower levels of sports because you. This, the field can be to. I mean, otherwise AJ McCarron and Greg McElroy would have been great NFL 2 and 2 a Tiger VOA would have been great NFL quarterbacks. They won a lot. They won state championships, but when it mattered, they didn't. Whether they were lacking in some sort of talent or whatever, or it could be the, the, the, the, the deck was stacked for them. They played behind great offensive lines. They had great, great wide receivers. They had high.

[Van Lathan]

And in basketball, the fact that, the fact that you just switch sports, okay. Changes the dynamic of what it is.

[Joel Anderson]

So, like, he should be a great. He's won. He's a winner. Led his team to, you know, the finals, Big Ten championships, everything else. Like, why is he not a great NBA player? He lost the national championship.

[Van Lathan]

Right. So what I'm saying is. So then. No, but wait, wait, wait, wait. What are we, what are we talking about?

[Joel Anderson]

No, Cam Boozer is not going to lose this, this of a winner if he doesn't win a national championship.

[Van Lathan]

No, but what I'm saying is that, and let's even go back to the Zach Edy argument. Right?

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

The quarterbacks on those teams that you just brought up, first of all, football is a completely different game. But if you go back to the Zach.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, we've talked about this in football too by the way, but go ahead.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, fair enough. If, if you go back to the Zach Edie argument, what I would say is it is easy. It is probably easier. I don't know what he did in high school, but it's probably easier to win a state championship in high school with a fucking ginormous big who is grabbing every rebound, smacking everything that is. That is coming to. That is coming in the paint and getting a lot of easy shots at the rim.

[Joel Anderson]

That sounds like kamboozer foul trouble.

[Van Lathan]

But listen to what I'm saying though. Listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is there's a certain skill set that is very easy to win with in basketball and there are certain other basketball players who are individually great, might even score a lot of points. Trey Young, but it's more, it's more difficult to win with. Caitlin Clark never won anything. I didn't want to bring up names but like it might be that that skill set doesn't automatically lend itself to winning. Even though it's breathtaking to watch. Some of this is positional. Some of this is how you play. Some of this is what, what the rest of your team has to give up.

[Billy Gill]

It's hard to be a guard and to actually help the bottom line like Isaiah Thomas is a. Is in Michael Jordan are anomalies. They're not using. You know, usually it's a big.

[Tate]

That's going to.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, this is the thing that I'm saying about Campbell, you know, isn't Cam Boozer isn't doing this at the University of Wyoming. He's doing it at the university. He's doing a Duke University where he has five star talent. Some of the best coaching. He has a lot of advantages every night he goes to. He's a great player, but he also has a lot.

[Van Lathan]

That's what he's playing against. That's what he's playing against. He's playing every night.

[Joel Anderson]

He's not playing against somebody I know.

[Van Lathan]

But what I'm saying is that's what he's playing against and we'll see how it goes in the tournament. But he's at Duke, so he's playing against North Carolina. He's playing against other powerful out of conference. They're playing big games. That's also what he's.

[Joel Anderson]

He's playing against Clemson. He's playing against Florida State.

[Billy Gill]

He's playing Michigan on a neutral side.

[Joel Anderson]

He's playing against Boston College.

[Van Lathan]

He's playing against California, so.

[Joel Anderson]

But he's playing against Lipscomb.

[Van Lathan]

He's playing against.

[Joel Anderson]

How.

[Van Lathan]

He's playing against teams that.

[Joel Anderson]

Playing against Indiana.

[Van Lathan]

Naming right there. All those teams that you're naming like that. The teams at the top, like the. What they're going to have to do. Didn't they do just won the ACC tournament, did they not?

[Joel Anderson]

Yes, they did.

[Billy Gill]

Back to back, they did.

[Van Lathan]

So that is a one. He is playing against the best talent in the world as well. All I'm saying, I don't think he's

[Billy Gill]

better than a Cooper Flag, just to be fair, but I do think he is a.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, that's a. That's a good. That's a good comparison, I would say. But yeah, I, I just.

[Van Lathan]

Again, Cooper Flag is much better on

[Billy Gill]

the defensive end and Cooper Flag is like, he's. He's super special. Like, he would still go number one in this class, I think.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't even think that we got.

[Van Lathan]

I don't think he would really.

[Billy Gill]

Who would go over. No, you think AJ would.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't.

[Van Lathan]

I don't think. I don't think he would go number one in this class. I don't. I don't. I don't.

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[Van Lathan]

Look, I. I defer to Tate in the basketball knowledge. I don't think. I think that there are a couple of upside players in a situation like this that to me would go.

[Billy Gill]

Peterson and AJ Would be the. The arguments.

[Van Lathan]

I think if you're comparing. I think if you're looking at Cooper Flag right now and looking at the success that he's having in the NBA and saying he's clearly that's one thing. But I also don't think that's a fair comparison in terms of comparing the college game. Right. If you compared the way he looked in college to the way some of these other guys are looking right now, I don't know that he would go number one in this draft.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, I mean, I mean, AJ would be the one that would go. I mean, he and AJ are like the archetypes. They're those wings that are 6, 934 hybrids. You know, they're sort of the ideal player that you're looking for.

[Joel Anderson]

AJ went to byu. They lost like eight games, so probably not. I wouldn't pick him over.

[Billy Gill]

Well, BYU is a six seed. How much have you watched, A.J. joel?

[Joel Anderson]

Homie, I've watched about three, four games.

[Billy Gill]

Okay. Do you like him?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I mean, I think he's really Good.

[Billy Gill]

Take him over. Cooper flag, you think?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, no, no, no. I'll take the flag over AJ the best.

[Billy Gill]

That was an intrusive thought.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, no, yeah, no, it was an intrusive thought.

[Joel Anderson]

I like, man, I thought, man, you know, Cooper convinced me when he went to the NBA when he played against the. The Olympic team and got off on them. You know, they had that little scrimmage, and I was like, even if. Even if the NBA guys weren't going as hard, like, when the way they responded to him after it was over, I was like, oh, the motherfucker should go.

[Van Lathan]

They said he was the man. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, okay. They know.

[Billy Gill]

It's also kind of interesting, like, Cooper has a twin Ace Flag, who is playing at Maine and not the same size as him. And then Cam Boozer has a twin Kaden Boozer, who's on the Duke team. Obviously a totally different player and skill set, but that's two twins.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, Taylor Griffins.

[Billy Gill]

They were twins. Right. Taylor's a year old.

[Joel Anderson]

Is that right?

[Billy Gill]

He's a couple years older, but again, that's kind of interesting.

[Van Lathan]

Taylor was a really good player, too, but I just like the fact that they was in utero. That's where they got their competitiveness from. Bullying their brothers out of here, fighting

[Billy Gill]

for those good genes. Yeah, exactly.

[Joel Anderson]

What was I looking for?

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, Cam Boozers boxing out Kaden at that point. Joel, I wanted to talk about Houston with you because Kelvin Sampson, North Carolina native, one of my favorite coaches in college basketball and obviously has a great program at Houston Jordan Brand school. How do you feel about the Cougars? Can they get it done this year?

[Joel Anderson]

I feel good about them as long as they don't have to play Arizona again.

[Billy Gill]

I. I feel like Arizona would be in the title game, so, like, at least they'd be in the title game.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I mean, I guess, you know, it's tough to beat a team as many. As many times as I think. Is Arizona beat him three times this year or is it four? I can't remember, but three.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Is it three? Yeah, three. I just feel like I've seen that matchup and I'm like, that's a bad one, though. Again. It's tough to beat a team as many times as they would have to do it again.

[Billy Gill]

Tough to be the team four times.

[Joel Anderson]

Four times, that's right. Villanova 86 is a test is a testament to that. Right. But, you know, I. I don't think this team is quite as Good or is battle tested as the team the year before? Like I. Kingston Flemings, one of the best in the country. He's not. That's something that they've not had. They've not had a dynamic score athlete, NBA prospect like that. They've had very good players. You know, Sasser. Oh, boy, that went to. They had L.J. cryer, people that were good at scoring. But like this dude, this kid is just different. Like, that's why he's going to be a lottery pick.

[Van Lathan]

That ain't no Clyde Drexler.

[Joel Anderson]

What?

[Billy Gill]

They do not have an Elijah Juan or a Clyde.

[Van Lathan]

Do you remember when. Do you remember when, like Elijah 1, not Elijah 1. When Clyde Drexler came to Houston and it was his first game and it was like the return of five slammer jammer.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

And he ran out there and then they won the championship and they were like, clyde, you came in, you ring chasing, got your ring.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I do remember that. I do. I do remember. I'm a big. Look, man, I'm a big Clyde Drexler fan. The first sports team.

[Billy Gill]

How could you not love Clyde the Glide?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. The first sports team I ever loved was the 80 was 83 University, Houston Cougs, man, that lost into Buzzer and Albuquerque to NC State.

[Billy Gill]

So, yeah, one of the greatest airballs, probably the greatest airball of all time. Right. Whitburn throws an airball that turns out into an alley.

[Joel Anderson]

No team has been to the Final Four and not won it as many times as Houston. And so I just.

[Billy Gill]

They are due.

[Joel Anderson]

We are. We do. And I feel like. But I feel like this is not. If, if, if I had last year's team this year, I might feel a little bit differently. But I just feel like this team,

[Van Lathan]

what happened last year's team sold out to who again?

[Billy Gill]

They lost to Florida.

[Joel Anderson]

Florida. And. And they were up by like nine.

[Billy Gill]

Antonio. Yeah. Walter Clayton.

[Van Lathan]

I don't think Clayton was busting ass in that game, though. I think he had a bad night.

[Joel Anderson]

He didn't pick up until like the last four minutes of the game.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, Elijah Martin had a good game. Will Richard, who's now playing with the warriors, had a really good game for them. They had a great guard trifecta. But also we get a national championship game preview or rematch if we get Florida, Houston in Houston and go to the Final Four. And so that's a nice draw for Houston to play in a lead eight game basically at home.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's great.

[Billy Gill]

That's nice. You know.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Tournament games out here. Are there Tournament games out here, so.

[Billy Gill]

San Diego. I'm going down to San Diego. San Diego. Yeah, you are.

[Van Lathan]

Win, win, win, win, win.

[Billy Gill]

I think I'm gonna go down Saturday and Sunday.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. Y' all gonna go together. Y' all should roll together, man.

[Billy Gill]

I haven't got my tickets yet. Should we go? Should we get tickets?

[Van Lathan]

Let's go together.

[Joel Anderson]

Let's go, let's go.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I hit you on the text.

[Joel Anderson]

Hell, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

That's what's up.

[Joel Anderson]

That's what's up, yo. That's all right. How long of a drive is that? Like two hours to San Diego?

[Billy Gill]

Two. Two hours? Two hours, 15 minutes, something like that,

[Van Lathan]

you know, not that bad if you leave in the right time. Like it's is if you leave with no traffic. You can zoom down there, you can get down there under two hours.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

That's why you can't go Thursday, Friday. You got to go on the weekend.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, why don't people go to San Diego for spring break? Do people go to LA for spring break?

[Van Lathan]

Not really. It's not a great spring break. Break, break time.

[Joel Anderson]

But y' all got this.

[Van Lathan]

Apparently, they tearing that city up, bro.

[Joel Anderson]

Man, I didn't like how Rachel talked about Galveston in Houston, by the way. I just.

[Van Lathan]

I don't.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't know her, so I can't say it to her now.

[Van Lathan]

Let me tell you something now.

[Billy Gill]

What was she saying?

[Van Lathan]

I just want to let you know something, Joe, okay? If in fact, you think that that's going to be somebody that you are going to diss and you're not going to hear about it, you are wrong right now. If you talk. If you.

[Billy Gill]

If you bump your girl, we got another disciple.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm not about to bump my. Rachel seems like a lovely person. Good for her. She's from Dallas.

[Billy Gill]

Seems like. I think she is.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Good. She is, yeah. I've never met her, so I don't, you know, if I ever come to LA again, we'll see. But I didn't like the way her. Her, you know, I mean, it was just part of the whole conversation about Houston in the past week and how they were trying to make. Make us seem like we were, you know, a world star venue or something. You know what I mean? And I know it looked a little crazy or whatever, but I just think that's something about when people see a bunch of young black teens together. And I. It. I think it to people, if you're not a part of it, it can look menacing or like something crazy is going on. And I mean, I ain't saying that they ain't do some wild. But that's what spring break is for, man. That's what we supposed to do. You know what I'm saying? And also, Rachel said, to Galveston. Why would somebody go to Galveston? Galveston's lovely, bro.

[Billy Gill]

You know, that makes me think of Bob Durst. That's Juneteenth.

[Joel Anderson]

That's the home of Juneteenth. Galveston is, man.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, really?

[Joel Anderson]

Have you ever seen. You should ask her if she's ever eaten at Gaido's. I used to have a burger spot right there on the seawall called the Spot, man. I would, bro. There was a whole summer.

[Van Lathan]

I went to church, I went to Galveston. Oh, I went to Galveston for Texas spring break.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

And for.

[Joel Anderson]

So what? Capital beach party.

[Van Lathan]

Capital beach party. It was then. So I love Galveston. I got nothing but memories. Fantastic memories from Galveston. Nothing but, you know, is Galveston. Galveston is what I call a starter beach, is where you go to the beach at first, then you go to other beaches.

[Billy Gill]

You expand your beach around.

[Van Lathan]

But it's not just Galveston, though. Biloxi, right? These are. These are the.

[Joel Anderson]

I feel like that's offensive.

[Van Lathan]

That's an offensive.

[Joel Anderson]

Galveston is much better than Biloxi.

[Van Lathan]

No, it's not.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, it is. Yeah. Same.

[Van Lathan]

Don't do that.

[Joel Anderson]

Are you. Are you.

[Van Lathan]

It's the same. As a matter of fact. Like, Biloxi got more going on because Biloxi got casinos and all other types of.

[Joel Anderson]

Like, they got all that.

[Van Lathan]

Way more to do. They got all that.

[Joel Anderson]

It's still not better than Galveston north, bro.

[Van Lathan]

I'm not trying to.

[Joel Anderson]

Mississippi.

[Van Lathan]

I'm not trying to be down on Galveston. I've had so much fun in Galveston. What I'm saying is it's like when you grow up and you start going to Turks and you start going like. You start going to other places. Like, you're not. Is. Galveston is not. It's a place that you go when you first start going to the beach. Galveston, Biloxi. Then we go. I'm a little further. Let's go to Clearwater. Let's go to Miami.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm guess you go to North Carolina

[Billy Gill]

beaches, South Carolina beaches.

[Van Lathan]

Those bits. Those beaches are some beaches in South Carolina.

[Joel Anderson]

Let's.

[Van Lathan]

Let's go to.

[Joel Anderson]

Let's. I'm start calling you Van Yayo, man. You know what I'm saying? I'm having caviar pancakes and Turks and cake goats, you know what I'm saying? I mean, don't talk to me. I'm too Busy eating goat cheese. Goat cheese grits. Right out here. I mean. Cause you did this earlier when you came on, too, talking about, well, nigga, you ain't never met who. What party did you go to?

[Van Lathan]

Nah, don't. We ain't bringing it up, but what

[Joel Anderson]

party I had got. You know what I'm saying? So you doing this again?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, this is what I said.

[Joel Anderson]

If you are. If you are.

[Van Lathan]

If you are. If you are in college and you go into a beach party, right? You go to Louisiana Tech University, you go into a beach party. Galveston is a great beach community that you could go to.

[Joel Anderson]

Great beach community.

[Van Lathan]

Older. When then. When you get older?

[Joel Anderson]

No.

[Van Lathan]

You want better beaches?

[Joel Anderson]

No, man.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, you want better. You want.

[Joel Anderson]

There are some people that will never get to go to no. Turks and Caicos, Brazil.

[Billy Gill]

You know, we're not saying that far.

[Joel Anderson]

You know what I'm saying? Galveston is a perfectly fine beach. Have you ever. Doc, have you ever been to a party at a house on the water there or near Surfside or some shit like that? No, we went there three years in a row.

[Van Lathan]

I went there with like. So we went. That was our. We. The first time we went, we was like, there's no reason to go nowhere else. Cap, beach party. We keep coming back now. Cap. Beach party is not the same anymore. But they didn't take it over Houston. Now they take it over Houston, in the town of Houston are somewhat upset by the college kids taking Houston over. That's all. That's. That's what they doing.

[Joel Anderson]

I get it. And they should be more upset with

[Billy Gill]

saying, houston's a white city.

[Joel Anderson]

It's my hometown.

[Billy Gill]

That was crazy.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, man. What the fuck was that, dude?

[Billy Gill]

That was crazy. Yeah, that was on Shannon.

[Joel Anderson]

Have you ever. Have you ever been to Houston for real?

[Billy Gill]

That's what made me.

[Van Lathan]

What percentage black is Houston?

[Joel Anderson]

I think it's, like, close to. It's a little more than a quarter or maybe a third. But my understanding is that more black people live in the state of Texas.

[Billy Gill]

I thought. I thought it was more, to be honest.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

I think it's a plurality of Latinos.

[Van Lathan]

You know, the black percentage of Houston is 22%.

[Joel Anderson]

Damn it shrunk. Okay, well, keep in mind, I'm. I'm. I say I'm from Houston, but I'm actually from O City, which is right outside. You know what I'm saying? So that's the stuff, Rich man, you

[Billy Gill]

were putting up, like, AstroWorld footage. You're really trying to show people where you're From.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, man, I missed.

[Billy Gill]

Not like AstroWorld, Travis Scott, like real estate. Like the.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah, the old AstroWorld that people got. People was like, man, all these black teens are hanging out at AstroWorld. It's kind of dangerous over there. And then they closed it on us, man. You know? So I just don't want people to. I don't want people to get that impression in their head that that's what he. I mean, again, look, I don't think what I saw was that bad. Like, I mean, again, I. I just. I've just never been offended by somebody having their ass out. You know what I mean? Like, maybe if you showed. If you went to church like that, I guess, or maybe if I had to sit at the same chair as you at Papa Dough after that and your ass cheeks had been onto something, like, maybe it would offend me.

[Billy Gill]

You're saying if it's directly impacting you,

[Joel Anderson]

then, yeah, it just doesn't. It doesn't. I just. I don't. That stuff doesn't bother me. Like, I don't think that's. Sometimes it's titillating. So, you know, whatever. But, yeah, I just. I didn't like how Rachel talked about my, you know, my Twin Cities man. Houston and Galveston, man. I spent some time down there.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, well, watch out. Watch out. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Well, you said you called it a starter. That's like a starter house.

[Van Lathan]

Rbc. I take. Galveston is a great. Y' all go down there, visit beautiful Galveston.

[Joel Anderson]

Go to Galveston. That's right.

[Billy Gill]

I'm gonna list. I'm gonna get back to. Last thing on the NCAA tournament. Coaches, legendary coaches that are in it. I just want you to. Guys to pick one. Your favorite coach. Out of this group. We got rick patino at St. John's bill self at Kansas, obviously, going down the list here. Let's see. Fred Hoiberg, former Bulls coach there in Nebraska. Hubert Davis, North Carolina. Kelvin Sampson, I mentioned before at Houston, Tommy Lloyd at Arizona. Who else? John Caliperi at Arkansas. Just trying to get people like, you know, some names out there, some coaches, and just Dusty May at Michigan, obviously.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Nate Oats at Alabama, Rick Barnes at Tennessee. And I think that's pretty much it as far.

[Joel Anderson]

Rick Barnes.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah. The. The notable coaches that have kind of been around for a while. I mean, you obviously can throw in the shires of the world and some of the newer coaches, but as far as, like, the stapled coaches in there. So of that group of guys, is there one coach that you're like, I'm a Caliperi guy. I'm a patino guy. Joel, is there anybody that you ride with?

[Joel Anderson]

Well, of course I'm a, I'm a Samson guy because I'm a University of

[Billy Gill]

Houston fan outside of Sam.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, okay. I was going. That's why I kind of. So I kind of a Calipari guy. I liked him for the same reasons that I like Nick Saban is that I like.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, damn. I wouldn't put those together.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh yeah, no, I just liked it.

[Billy Gill]

Down for the cause. Nick Saban is like against the cause.

[Joel Anderson]

But the thing is, is that Nick Saban lived his raps, you know, so he could say whatever he wants to say right now. But I mean a lot of brothers showed up at Alabama and what for whatever reason they.

[Billy Gill]

You claim he integrated the sec.

[Joel Anderson]

I claim he integrated the sec. That's right. He integrated sec. A true integration. And he was un unabashed about the fact that it was a football factory. And that's what I like about John Calipari when he talks about. He's like, hey look man, this guy made so many millions of dollars. I got this guy to come in here. I like that. That's my, you know what I'm saying? So that's my kind of a coach. And so that's why I get down with John Calipari. And you know, it pains my heart a little bit to root for University of Arkansas because I kind of grew up hating them. But they've been down long enough, it's time for them to come back. So yeah, if Houston can't have it, then Arkansas, I'm with it.

[Billy Gill]

I do feel like Cal's had a nice like image makeover. So I think people are on to him. Van, which one of that group you like?

[Van Lathan]

Cal? I think it's Cal. I think what he's been able to do and sort of bounce back because

[Billy Gill]

he was, he ran him out of town.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, yeah, he was in the dirt. And I think that people underrated a part of John Calipari's legacy and that is his just single minded focus in getting these guys to the NBA and preparing them for the pros and how as much as he's put great products on the college basketball floor, he has never ever, ever been bashful about the fact that his job is to get your son from high school to the NBA. Now that's come back to bite him in the ass sometimes, right? Because he was a big, big, big proponent of the one and done player.

[Billy Gill]

As soon as you done he was nil before nil.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, nil before nil. As soon as you done with your as soon as he feels like you've developed, get out. Which if you're in Kentucky, they want to see some national championship banners up there in Rupp Arena. Adolf Rupp. His name is Adolf.

[Joel Anderson]

Adolf.

[Billy Gill]

So like they he did not integrate the sec.

[Van Lathan]

He did not integrate the sec. So they want to see some banners up there. So you have Calipari there for a long time. People are like, is this a good coach on the floor? Are we going to win? We getting all of these players in? We're not seeing three, four, five national championships up there. How many?

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, he won one in 2012. He won with Anthony Davis in 2012, but he should have won in 2015. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

And so like a lot of 2017 with Fox and B, we want more than that. So him leaving almost felt like last thing I said, I know I've been

[Joel Anderson]

talking for a while.

[Van Lathan]

Him leaving almost felt like closing the book on what we thought about John Calipari as a coach. And the book was not closed at all.

[Billy Gill]

He went down there and gave Nolan Richardson some love who had been, you know, sort of not discussed as much as he should be in the college basketball conversation. And he's given him kind of a. He's reignited the conversation around Richardson, which is really cool as well.

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[Billy Gill]

All right, Joel, let's. Let's just get back to basketball quickly here before we get done with the march. Band talk. National championship picks. Van, I'll go to you first here. Is there a team that you believe will win the national championship in basketball this year?

[Van Lathan]

I'm sorry to do this. I'm going with Duke, man. I know.

[Billy Gill]

Don't be sorry. It's okay.

[Van Lathan]

Not controversial pick, but I have a lot of belief in Cam Boozer and their ability to get it done. I think that, you know, there. There have been some times where the team has suffered from, I think, lulls and identity, but right now, I don't know if they're peaking, but they're playing really well. We'll see how it goes. I think I'm picking Duke.

[Billy Gill]

It's okay. It doesn't hurt too much. Joel already downed, you know, went after my entire program, you know, across the board, so it's. It's nothing. Joel, do you have a pick?

[Joel Anderson]

Is it Houston just talking? No, actually, absolutely not. I would never pick Houston. I've never seen it happen in my life, so why would I believe it would happen right now?

[Billy Gill]

Good things can happen, Joel. You're taking that as a slight? You think Houston never winning is.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, that's Joe's life.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't believe. I. I had to see it first, you know what I'm saying? And then I'll always believe, you know, So I probably would feel good about Duke if Caleb Foster and Patrick. Yeah. If he was. If they were healthy, if they didn't have. Because they already didn't. It's not like they were playing 10, so they're. They're lacking in depth. I just wonder if that might hurt them later.

[Billy Gill]

Should be back. Elite Eight, Final Four.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. To be honest with you, even if he does play at that point, just getting back during that time of the year is gonna be real tough.

[Joel Anderson]

Integrating him back, getting back up to the intensity of the tournament at that point. Yeah. Conditioning condition. Look, I got Arizona, man. Just because I've seen Arizona play. They're not. They're not a great three point shooting team, but I feel like the tournament, unless you like somebody Catches a heater that doesn't really matter. They're a great rebounding team. They're great in the paint. They can get easier buckets, right? They could just. They shoot a high. They're efficient in and around the basket. And I feel like in a tournament when sometimes your shooting touch can leave you. Can you generate a bunch of point. Can you get points in other ways? And also, they're a very good defensive team. So, I mean, they're the. They're one of the few teams that when I look at Houston, I'm like, God damn, they're tougher than them. You know what I mean? Like, usually Houston don't get out tough. When I saw him play against Arizona, I was like, man, I don't want to see them again. So I got to think that Arizona's going to win.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, it's so interesting. I normally. I love defense in the tournament, Love defense in the tournament, but I normally feel like the team that shoots at the best in the tournament ends up kind of winning the whole thing. But I love defense in the tournament, too, though.

[Billy Gill]

I mean, Duke's got the best defense, so, I mean, that helps. So they got the number one defense, Arizona, number two. The good news, I will not pick Arizona, because every time I do, they do not do anything in the tournament. So I want them to win. I think they deserve to win. But I won't pick Arizona. I'm going to pick Houston this year. I think it just kind of breaks their way. Oh, Billy's upset. Billy. Billy coming in.

[Joel Anderson]

I should put my fossil in pajama shirt on, man.

[Tate]

Well, here's the. Here's the thing.

[Billy Gill]

Step on your Houston pick.

[Tate]

No, I was gonna take Arizona, and then Joel took Arizona. I'm like, you know what? Now I'm gonna take Houston, so if they win, I can take the credit and I can celebrate them winning, and then Joel won't.

[Billy Gill]

That's what I'm thinking about it.

[Joel Anderson]

I'll be happy.

[Tate]

No, you can't, though, because now team. That's.

[Van Lathan]

If you didn't support them, so get off them, okay? You're believing where you're from. You're. You're. You're a wildcat. Bryce James. That's your hope.

[Billy Gill]

You're Bryce.

[Van Lathan]

So.

[Joel Anderson]

So.

[Van Lathan]

So.

[Joel Anderson]

So, yeah, we on the same team, bro.

[Van Lathan]

That's. That's. Who you rolling?

[Billy Gill]

We can't.

[Tate]

We can't have duplicates. Like, I can't pick Arizona or Houston now.

[Joel Anderson]

We're not doing this for jokes. Like, we're doing this for who we think is going to win.

[Billy Gill]

Joe. We're always doing it for jokes. We should get you.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm trying to be right. I don't know about that warm ups

[Billy Gill]

suit like Bryce James. I think that'd be nice. If Joe has to wear an Arizona warm up suit, that'd be.

[Joel Anderson]

I would love. I would love. They could show me one. I got some fly.

[Van Lathan]

James could shoot. I went to a game. He can't. Oh, he can. I went to a game. I bet for real. So I went to

[Joel Anderson]

party, man.

[Van Lathan]

There were no IVs there. There were no IVs there. Look, I went to stop. We got to take all that out too, because that was a private party, so. But, but, but I will say we do. But I will say I went to Sierra Canyon versus Notre Dame maybe like two years ago, and it was good ballot game.

[Joel Anderson]

No.

[Van Lathan]

Was it Hersey or Mercy?

[Joel Anderson]

Mercy.

[Billy Gill]

I think it was Mercy.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, it was Mercy.

[Billy Gill]

Miller at Notre Dame, plays for Houston.

[Van Lathan]

And then over the. Mercy Miller at Notre Dame and then over at Sierra Canyon. It was. It was. It was Bryce James and. Well, Bryce James was not the lead guy, but they had a bunch of guys. But Bryce James got some shots up in that game. He was. He was hitting some shots. He's got. He's a good three point shooter.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Billy Gill]

I like that van standing up for the James family. I played golf the other day and Bronnie was in the group in front of me.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, I drove. I drove the green on a par four and Bronnie turned around and said, good drive.

[Joel Anderson]

I was gonna ask you if you'd seen a celebrity, Billy, but you live in Miami, But I guess you could probably.

[Billy Gill]

There's a lot of. There's a lot of celebrities in Miami.

[Van Lathan]

That's my point. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. There are no famous people in Miami. That's what. What the are you talking about? What are you saying?

[Joel Anderson]

It ain't like LA y', all, man. That's what I'm talking about. No, but come on here. Talking about, oh, I can go get an iv. There's a little IV place around the corner.

[Billy Gill]

They do do that feeling.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, they do it Miami, too. Okay.

[Van Lathan]

I don't know. Trying to argue, anger me. It's a lot of famous people in Miami, Joe.

[Joel Anderson]

They're everywhere. You right.

[Tate]

You know who I. You know who I said?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Tate]

You know, I saw TSA on. On Monday, actually, was Joe Kim Noah. So he was in the. He was in the TSA pre line, which is like really long, but it moves Fast.

[Billy Gill]

I was worried about this legend, too.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, Florida legend.

[Tate]

I'm glad you brought it up, because I meant to tell you guys this, and I totally forgot until Joel asked if I've seen any famous people ever, which is a weird question. So we're going through tsa, and I had never considered it once in my life until I saw Joe Kim. No, I have to duck to go under the sign just to walk into the TSA pre line. And I was like, how is he gonna get through this metal detector? Because I had never thought about the fact that a giant person doesn't fit through a metal detector.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, yeah.

[Tate]

Until I saw him at the TSA line. So I was, like, super stalking, super creeping him just, like, keeping an eye. I never said, what's up? I never said anything to him. I was just keeping an eye as he's, like, moving down. Like, how's he gonna fit through this? Like, let me see. Like, can you duck? Is that allowed in a metal detector? Is he going to be in, like, the one with, like, the extra magnet that you have to hold your hands like this or, like, down here? Like, what are we gonna do?

[Billy Gill]

Oh, that's true.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah. They wanted.

[Billy Gill]

Did he go in that one?

[Tate]

All right, so here's. Here's the unsatisfactory, disappointing ending to this story. So I'm following him up and down this line. Like, he's like, two rotations around the snake ahead of me, right? So then I'm going to the end, and I'm holding up the line because he's behind a column to go through a metal detector because of the way that this thing is set up. So I just see. See him disappear behind the column and then reappear on the other side of it. And he didn't go through, like, the super fancy one. So presumably he just had to duck and go through the regular metal detector.

[Van Lathan]

What.

[Tate]

What an inconvenience for him having to duck through.

[Billy Gill]

How tall are those things? Like, six. Six or something, probably.

[Joel Anderson]

They're not that tall.

[Tate]

They're not.

[Van Lathan]

He's 7ft tall or something like that, right? He's like 6, 11.

[Tate]

He was by far taller than player

[Van Lathan]

of the year defensive in the NBA.

[Joel Anderson]

Man, they ain't doing at TSA right now. I mean, shout out to them, man. They trying to keep us safe. But, bro, man, we gotta. We gotta help them people out, man. That's a lot of work.

[Billy Gill]

A lot of work for free. For sure.

[Tate]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

You're somebody. Oh, you know what? I ain't gonna say Joel, that was a good moment. I'm not gonna say it. I'm not gonna say it. We can't talk about it now.

[Tate]

What?

[Billy Gill]

Billy, should you take Florida to win the national championship since you saw Joe Kim, Noah, and also they would have to beat Houston. Potentially. Potentially in Houston. Yeah. But the Final Four. So that would dig at Joel. I mean, no, but not an option.

[Tate]

I gotta take someone that's gonna bounce Arizona, I think, on their bracket. You know what?

[Billy Gill]

You gotta go for Purdue or Gonzaga then.

[Tate]

Yeah, I'm gonna go with the Zags.

[Billy Gill]

All right.

[Joel Anderson]

Look good. I like that matchup. I like that also, man. Shout out. Shout out. Tcu, man. Darren, the LSU make the tournament this year. Oh, and basketball. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. Of course they didn't.

[Van Lathan]

Of course they did.

[Joel Anderson]

Y' all not good at football right now. Y' all not good at right now.

[Billy Gill]

The women's team is good.

[Van Lathan]

Women's team is always.

[Joel Anderson]

The women's team is great. That's right.

[Tate]

Women play sports too, Joel. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Is is horseshit misogynist championships

[Joel Anderson]

to on the legend of Janet Jackson to pump up your boy Jermaine Dupree. You know what I'm saying? So don't you come at me on that bullshit.

[Van Lathan]

Joel. I'm telling you right now. You don't want to bring that up. It's niggas in Atlanta super mad about that. I'm telling, bro. I have to do some work. I have to do. They're saying bad about Gas is in Atlanta really mad about that. I had to actually do real work.

[Joel Anderson]

Jermaine Dupree is attractive. Equivalently.

[Van Lathan]

I'm not doing it again. I have to do real work.

[Joel Anderson]

I lived in Atlanta. I'm fine. I'm fine. I lived in Atlanta before. Nothing to me.

[Tate]

Careful.

[Van Lathan]

All right, now. Oh, you're gonna get stomped out. You're gonna have a so. So death sign on your back. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

And you would be happy if that's the thing that's shady about you.

[Van Lathan]

Didn't I just say I made the call? I made the call and I said, listen to the whole show. Yeah, I did not just say I made the call. Shout out to all my people in Atlanta. Shout out to Johnston, Austin, John to Austin. Shout out to all my people in Atlanta.

[Joel Anderson]

I know people in Atlanta. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to Shout.

[Billy Gill]

You were tweeting it back at them during that whole thing. So it goes back to the original point, I think.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah.

[Billy Gill]

You were going after. Yeah, you were.

[Joel Anderson]

I didn't even really go after him, I just kind of. You know what I'm saying? My boy. You know what I'm saying? I mean, come on. You know what I'm saying? There you go. I don't know nobody famous.

[Van Lathan]

I'm sorry.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, nobody's gonna ride. I ain't got no calls to make.

[Van Lathan]

It's not that you don't know anyone. You wouldn't recognize them as you. If you saw them because you said there are no celebrities in Miami.

[Joel Anderson]

I didn't say that.

[Van Lathan]

I'm trying to look. Let me see who's the most famous

[Joel Anderson]

person in my phone?

[Billy Gill]

All right, This a good. Okay.

[Van Lathan]

It's weird game.

[Joel Anderson]

And then you should dis them.

[Billy Gill]

Find your most famous and then do a dis. And then we'll get.

[Van Lathan]

Say something crazy about.

[Tate]

While you do that, I have a list of Joel Mandela Bones.

[Joel Anderson]

Is that.

[Van Lathan]

Is that.

[Joel Anderson]

Hold on. I gotta look at.

[Van Lathan]

Shout out to Mandela Barnes. If you guys don't know Mandela Barnes.

[Joel Anderson]

Kevin Blackie Stone.

[Van Lathan]

I think it was Senate.

[Billy Gill]

Espn.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, espn. Yeah. Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

Art Browser's number in here.

[Tate]

Call them right now.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, yeah. Call our. Browse and say you want.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Oh, my.

[Van Lathan]

I knew it. I knew it.

[Joel Anderson]

And it's official show. It's a Waco. It's a Waco area code, too. I'm not gonna go through this whole thing. Howard Bryant. He's in here. John Burris, legendary attorney in Oakland. What?

[Tate]

All right.

[Billy Gill]

All right. So. So far, not hitting.

[Tate]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Billy. Billy who Did

[Van Lathan]

a big one. That. That's a big one. That's famous.

[Billy Gill]

That's famous.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, but, like, I've got Jason Taton's mama in here.

[Van Lathan]

What?

[Billy Gill]

Jason Tatum's mom?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, Jason Tatum's mom.

[Billy Gill]

Why? I don't know about that. Joe.

[Joel Anderson]

Tommy Craigs.

[Tate]

When are you gonna get to famous people, though?

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, hold on. I told you. I just. That's why I don't feel I don't fit in in la. Nori Davis. Y' all heard him. He's a comedian. I don't know about Nori Davis.

[Billy Gill]

What about Thomas? A girl

[Joel Anderson]

should be about equivalent. Dominique Foxworth. Where does he write?

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, he can. Trent Dilfer.

[Joel Anderson]

Trent.

[Billy Gill]

He was almost my podcast.

[Joel Anderson]

Super bowl champion.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay,

[Van Lathan]

that's enough. That's enough. All right, Gotcha.

[Joel Anderson]

All right.

[Tate]

Bring some more for next week.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

All right. Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Who did he dis this week? Do we have a list?

[Joel Anderson]

We don't have this. Time to go. I gotta go watch my kids.

[Tate]

All right.

[Billy Gill]

So you.

[Tate]

You dis Rachel Lindsay?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I did not dis her.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, we gotta bring that up. Yeah, we need to clip that and send that to Rachel.

[Joel Anderson]

You know what? If. If y' all say that I dis, I'm gonna get my point off. Okay, I'm gonna finish that text. All right.

[Tate]

You dis Rachel Lindsay. You dis moco. Underscore Fire. Underscore strains.

[Joel Anderson]

Underscore only. Yeah. For real.

[Tate]

You dis Biloxi.

[Joel Anderson]

I did not.

[Tate]

Yes, you did.

[Joel Anderson]

I love the Mississippi.

[Tate]

You didn't like their beaches.

[Joel Anderson]

That's Christian. You.

[Tate]

You dissed Atlanta and you dis Paul Fineball.

[Joel Anderson]

Don't put Atlanta on me. Yeah, don't.

[Van Lathan]

Don't put it.

[Billy Gill]

Five Ball was number one.

[Tate]

Thank you.

[Joel Anderson]

Don't put Atlanta on me, bro. I love Atlanta. That's my favorite place I lived until Joel.

[Billy Gill]

They have IVs, Atlanta. They have IVs.

[Joel Anderson]

You got to think about what you got to do to get to the iv. Usually when you get sick, you just get better and take, like, NYOL or whatever. Or if you get hungover, you just recover and do things. I never considered what Van had done was went and got an iv. I just thought that was a little weird. The only other place I'd heard that civilians can do that was at the Diddy party. That's it.

[Tate]

Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

Which is interesting.

[Billy Gill]

That's kind of a diss.

[Tate]

You, oddly, haven't been. No, he. He hasn't really insulted Diddy. He's been complimentary to Diddy, oddly enough.

[Joel Anderson]

Bruce Feldman. What?

[Van Lathan]

Here we go.

[Billy Gill]

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[Van Lathan]

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[Billy Gill]

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