Michigan and the New Era of College Basketball, Plus Joel’s NFL Draft Big Board

Summary

Ringer Tailgate – Episode Recap

Episode: “Michigan and the New Era of College Basketball, Plus Joel’s NFL Draft Big Board”
Hosts: Van Lathan, Joel Anderson, Tate Frazier (Billy)
Air Date: April 8, 2026
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This episode dives into the sweeping changes overtaking college basketball—highlighting Michigan’s victory and the transfer portal era—plus sharp analysis of the emerging NFL draft class via Joel’s brand-new Big Board. The Tailgate crew blends sports insight, personal banter, and cultural commentary, with plenty of laughter and a dash of chaos.

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1. Setting the Scene: Tailgate’s Rise & LA Push

Timestamps: 00:50–13:20

• The hosts convene from San Francisco after a Ringer Live event, reflecting on the city’s beauty, food, and hangouts with colleagues.
• Van Lathan teases Joel Anderson for not living in LA, suggesting the next era of Tailgate’s success hinges on him moving west:

  "Tailgate is catching on…We actually need Joel to move to Los Angeles." – Van Lathan (07:17)

• Friendly ribbing about who gets invited to live shows and podcast events, and whether proximity to LA really matters for career growth.
• Anecdotes about fan encounters ("raise the roof") and mingling with the entire Ringer crew, blending camaraderie with light jabs.
• Notable moment: Van recalls a father identifying each family member’s favorite Ringer podcaster in an elevator—a sign of the community’s reach (05:00–06:25).

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2. Fame, Recognition, and the Inner Workings of The Ringer

Timestamps: 13:15–25:29

• Van and Joel compare notes on moments they felt famous, from random casino encounters to Rihanna knowing Van’s name.
• The inner politics and "unwritten rules" of The Ringer’s various live shows, notably Rewatchables, and how they’re usually limited to an inner circle.
• Rachel joins to clarify the behind-the-scenes group dynamics and to defend the organic nature of their friendly Joel “tussling.”

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3. Big Ten Basketball & The College Sports New World

Timestamps: 26:13–44:20

Big Ten Dominance

• Indiana, Michigan (men’s), and UCLA (women’s) clinch national championships—signaling a new Big Ten-centered map for college hoops.
• Van:

  "Big Ten is the most dominant…The class that was displayed by the Big Ten…the Big Ten has this era figured out." (26:54)

Portal Era & Transfers

• Both Indiana and Michigan’s titles were fueled by transfer-heavy lineups.
• Tate deconstructs the myth of "purity" in college basketball, asserting NIL and transfer era are simply new forms of longtime economic realities:

  "The economics of the situation have always been part of college sports... Now it's front door instead of back door." – Tate (35:00)

• Joel pushes back on criticism of transfers:

  “Just enjoy the shit... Don’t complain about the transfer portal. The games are entertaining.” (31:44)

• Van explores how NIL and the portal have shifted what it means to support your alma mater, balancing culture, development, and modern realities.
• Lively debate around whether this model is as "sustainable," and who wins/loses in the new arms race—especially for three-star and local players.

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4. Franchise Mode: Van’s TED Talk on Relationships & “Me Time”

Timestamps: 46:07–54:26

• Break from sports for a cultural digression: Van explains (in earnest, hilarious detail) the value of “franchise mode”—his metaphor for solo time and (explicitly) masturbation, sparked by a trending tweet about relationships:

  "Sometimes you just need some individual attention... Sometimes you want to play franchise mode—just you against the computer." – Van (51:52)

• Joel and Billy riff off “franchise mode,” embracing its value for balance in relationships.
• Notable moment: "You never tell yourself 'no'!" – Van (48:09)
• Quick exploration of why some partners might view solo time as 'cheating'—consensus? Franchise mode is healthy.

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5. Joel’s NFL Draft Big Board 1.0

Timestamps: 57:18–73:58

The Top 10 (as presented)

1. Ruben Bane
2. Caleb Downs
3. Jeremiah Love
4. Arvell Reese
5. Sonny Styles
6. Fernando Mendoza
7. Francis Mauigoa
8. Mansoor Delane
9. Kenyan Sadiq
10. David Bailey

• The board is Joel’s personal/rankings-based hybrid, not a predictive draft order.
• Big emphasis on Ohio State’s all-time historical defense:

  "2025 Ohio State defense is the third best since 1941." – Joel (citing RedditCFB, 60:51)

• Detailed debates on athletic tight end Kenyan Sadiq, the move toward compact, hybrid TE/WRs, and the risks of falling in love with athletic metrics over tape.
• Discussion on O-line prospects (Kaden Proctor, Freeling), why dominance in college tape still matters when projecting to the pros.
• Concerns about fit for top players drafted by the Jets and the Saints:

  "The only thing about Mesidor is he's already 25… Ruben Bane, he has great power and balance. Plays mean. When he puts his hands on you, everything stops." (72:09)

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6. Game Segment – “Ho or No?”

Timestamps: 74:03–105:47

Premise: Five headlines, the crew decides if each is "ho shit" (low character/suspect, from Joel’s lexicon) or a “no” (all good).

1. Fernando Mendoza skipping the NFL Draft for family

• Consensus: No ("He could have brought his family, but it’s fine.") (78:00)

2. Geno Auriemma & Dawn Staley’s Final Four tussle

• Consensus: Ho ("Total ho shit. Take the L, get back on the bus.") – Van (80:15)

3. LeBron James says Grizzlies should move from Memphis

• Split: Joel says Ho ("That was some ho shit, dog. For real." 87:03), but Van tries to give context.
• Lively digression on athletes’ duty to cities, plus the luxury hotel spectrum of Memphis/Baton Rouge.

4. (Redacted topic for "Press Box")

• The crew alludes to a trending scandal involving a coach and reporter, consensus is the “rat” in the story is the Ho, not the individuals involved.

5. Bill Bellamy skipping the show for his birthday

• Consensus: Absolutely not ("Jason Weaver Hall of Fame for good guys… No energy at all.") (97:01)
• Anecdotes about missed bookings, comedy celebrity rankings, and the difference between being “famous” and “culturally significant.”

Bonus: SNL’s Chloe Fineman’s questionable camp anecdote

• Consensus: Beyond ho, just “insane.” Led to a quick aside about comedy and notoriety.

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7. “Tussling” Segment (Father-Son Bonds & Banter)

Timestamps: 112:15–119:33

• The episode rounds out with the viral father-son wrestling (tussling) video, used by Van to symbolize healthy roughhousing and family bonds.
• Joel reminisces on tussling with his late father, and shares hopes to do the same with his son, Desmond.
• The team’s recurring, running joke about Joel’s “room 227” college dorm adds levity and an in-joke for longtime listeners.

“I hope to tussle with my son as long as I can.” – Joel (113:23)

An idea is floated for a documentary: "The Search for 227" to track down all of Joel’s old teammates with nicknames like Slink, Milk, Fat Cow, and Chicken Hawk.

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8. Notable Quotes & Moments

• On College Hoops:

  • "The Big Ten has this era figured out. From NIL... to player development." – Van (26:54)
  • "The loyalty and the ability to move… it’s free will, and if somebody wants to be somewhere, they’re allowed to be somewhere." – Tate (36:29)

• On ‘Franchise Mode’:

  • "You never tell yourself no... That means if you're ready for it... you will always be ready for yourself." – Van (48:09)

• On LeBron & Memphis:

  • "You would expect LeBron James to think about what that would mean for them..." – Van (85:06)
  • "I wouldn't tell LeBron he's a hoe. But I'd say, 'that was some ho shit.'" – Joel (87:03)

• On ‘Ho or No’:

  • "Just to clarify the segment… it's not saying they're a hoe, just that they did some ho shit." – Billy (88:51)

• On Transfer Portal Era:

  • "Don’t complain about the transfer portal… The games are entertaining… players seem happy and now have rights we could only have dreamed of." – Joel (31:44)
  • "Now you’re spreading around $40 million... There’s good to it and it fundamentally changes the game." – Van (42:55)

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9. Tone & Vibe

• As always, the Tailgate crew mixes high-level sports intellect with irreverent, personal banter.
• The dialogue is fast-paced, smart, and layered with running inside jokes (especially at Joel’s expense, but all in good fun).
• The show moves nimbly from in-depth sports breakdowns to culture, relationships, and the joys of everyday life as sports fans.

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10. Segment Index (Approximate Timestamps)

• San Francisco & LA debates: 00:50–13:20
• Fame & inner Ringer dynamics: 13:15–25:29
• Big Ten/NIL/Transfer Era: 26:13–44:20
• "Franchise Mode" (Van’s TED Talk): 46:07–54:26
• Joel’s NFL Draft Big Board: 57:18–73:58
• ‘Ho or No?’ Game: 74:03–105:47
• Father-son ‘tussling’ segment: 112:15–119:33

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A can’t-miss episode for fans of both college hoops and the chaos of modern college football, with plenty of off-topic gems for culture vultures. Joel’s big board, the portal era, LeBron’s city shade, and “franchise mode” will fuel office banter and group chat debates all week.

Next Week's Tease:
Bill Bellamy joins the show for more “raise the roof” vibes and comedy/sports crossover.

Transcript

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[Host 1 (Billy)]

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[Joel Anderson]

yeah, it's just topic was that got knocked. Got knocked.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

We got one topic that's been knocked off the board. Joel's gonna save it for press box. First and foremost, let's say what's up to our guy Van Lath. And Van in San Francisco. How's it going, man?

[Van Lathan]

Let's get this roof raised real quick. San Francisco. By the way, I want to apologize to the entire Tailgate production staff. I was asking for the link in the actual chat and I see here that they had actually emailed me the link. So Donnie did apologize to everybody. Shout out to Donnie, man. Shout out to Fria, shout out to Alicia, Shout out to everybody to do raise the roof one more time for the show. Please appreciate that. Thank you.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Always working hard for us. Yeah, you love to see that. We'll talk a little bit about San Francisco. I want to get your thoughts, Van. But first and foremost, we'll say what's up to Joel Anderson. Let's what's up, Joel, man?

[Joel Anderson]

What's up, y'? All? I'm, I'm, I'm glad That I just.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

As soon as you start talking, I just. I can't help but laugh.

[Joel Anderson]

I know. Sorry about that. Well, I mean, yeah, we had a good. We had a fun talk offline, but San Francisco, truly one of the best places for us to start because that is one of my favorite cities in the whole damn world. Like, it's so beautiful. Whenever I heard people maligning San Francisco, you know, to a national audience or whatever, for political reasons, because, you know, they want to create the idea that California is in chaos and disorder under democratic leadership, but San Francisco is just so gorgeous. Like, you go out and it feels good. Like, the weather is great. You can see water, you can see mountains, man. And the food is great. They got a little bit of everything, man. Have you gone to what the slide indoor would, you know, I went to

[Van Lathan]

El Farlito for a burrito.

[Joel Anderson]

We.

[Van Lathan]

Last night, the whole ringer crew went out to Oracle Park. We saw a baseball game. I had a hot dog. Then we went and had drinks on this, like, hotel next to us, overlooking the whole city. Beautiful view. I made an Instagram video about the fact that when I got off the plane and got here. I've been to San Francisco before.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

But not, I'd say, for maybe like, eight years. When I expected. I expected to see fucking Batman Joker. I expected to see. It is gorgeous around here.

[Joel Anderson]

The.

[Van Lathan]

I am sure. And we saw some of it when we walked to the. To the stadium. Bill's walking is just like. It's nuts.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Bill is the.

[Joel Anderson]

The best.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Like. Like someone could say hey to Bill. Like, I was in San Francisco back in the warriors times. Like, he can walk by, say thank you, but not stop. Like, he's so good at getting by people, but also giving them what they want. It's like I told him it was

[Van Lathan]

one of his greatest.

[Joel Anderson]

Wow. This is what it's like when you hang out, Simmons. Whoa.

[Van Lathan]

See? Different Cool.

[Joel Anderson]

So.

[Van Lathan]

So. So were you hanging out with Bill on this night?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I do a Giants game, I think. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Who else?

[Van Lathan]

Who? Us?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Who was at the who?

[Van Lathan]

The whole crew.

[Joel Anderson]

The whole crew. Okay.

[Van Lathan]

I.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

It's a great stadium, too. On the water. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I'm bad at that. Tate, if you stop me, I'll stop and ask about your family, what school you went to, the whole.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I think that's a Southern thing. Like, I asked your name. Yeah. Where you're from.

[Van Lathan]

And then I'll pull the whole. This is something that I do. Like, there's a family that saw us legitimately. I'm getting off the Elevator. And this guy goes. He's walking around the corner. He goes, yep, there he is. Before he gets there, I promise you, this happened. Oh, he goes, yep, there. And then he gets there and he goes. He points to his son. He goes, midnight boys. He points to his wife. He goes, higher learning. And he points to himself, and he goes, tailgate. And the rewatchables. It was a. A. A father, a.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

A.

[Van Lathan]

A. A son and his wife. So we all get on the elevator together.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm gonna raise the roof for that guy, man.

[Van Lathan]

Raise the roof for them. And the son. He told me about his son. He goes, I see celebrities all the time, but my son never knows who anybody is. And he goes, I point you out. I had. I seen you before. He's like, well, now I'm seeing you again. I actually heard your voice as I was on the phone when he came around. He goes, but he actually knows who you are because he listens to the midnight boys. So we get downstairs and I tell them, I say, if you guys hang out for a second, because we're all meeting to go to the game. If you guys hang out for a second. Bill and Mallory and Sean and Craig.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah, the whole crew.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, Bill and Mallory and Chris. Chris, Ryan and Craig. They'll all be down there, right? If you hang out for a second. So I'm hanging out, trying to, like, wait, and then they decide they have to go to the game, whatever. So they walk, and then all of a sudden, the father goes. Because Bill and them are already down there. They're on the other side of the little deal. So they're walking away. And I went, no, don't walk away. Come over. Come over and say hello to everyone.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Meet the family.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, meet everyone. Meet everyone for the.

[Joel Anderson]

Wow.

[Van Lathan]

And I don't know if I should be doing that because I'm not so sure if every. Nobody has a problem saying hello. Everyone's very polite, but. But I don't know if. If. If everyone is as apt to, like, hang around and talk as, like, I would be to. To. To.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man, that's Bill.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Bill's incredible at it. Like, he. He doesn't skip a beat. Like, he just keeps walking.

[Van Lathan]

He says hello to everyone, though.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. Like, it's. He gives them exactly what they want, but it's in this, like, perfect, perfectly time way where, like, he's still going. And the only way for it to continue is if they were to start walking at the same pace as Bill, which would be weird. And nobody's going to do that. So, like, he just. He's able to breeze by. I told him it was one of his greatest skill sets, and I think he took it as a compliment, so.

[Joel Anderson]

Wow, look at y', all, man. That's. What's up, Van.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Joe's getting mad.

[Van Lathan]

No, I understand why Joe does not live here. It's so funny to me. Every. Everybody is begging just to let you guys know something that's happening behind the scenes.

[Joel Anderson]

It's really nice.

[Van Lathan]

Tailgate is catching on. Let's be honest with you guys. Fuck it. We'll just go ahead and let you guys behind the curtain. The fucking podcast is catching on. People like what we're doing. Even people who hate me on every other podcast.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Van brings up race. He's obsessed with black, black, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He. We hate it, right? They love tailgate. They love tailgate. People love tailgate. Yeah, we hate. Man, he blab. Louisiana, Baton Rouge. But if, you know, he's on tailgate, he's in his element. Tailgate is catching on to the degree that we actually need Joel to move to Los Angeles.

[Joel Anderson]

Shut up, man.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

There we go.

[Van Lathan]

I don't want to talk about. That's a true thing.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't need Joel to move to Los Angeles. I can't. I can't talk.

[Van Lathan]

Cannot move to Los Angeles. I understand that Joel has considerations with family and all that stuff. He can't move to Los Angeles. That's fine. But then he didn't act salty about things that happened that only could happen to him if he lived in Los Angeles.

[Joel Anderson]

But you're in San Francisco. This isn't happening in Los Angeles. You took a plane. Did you? Did you take a plane or did you drive?

[Van Lathan]

This is an extension of being in

[Joel Anderson]

la because you just said you hadn't been to San Francisco in eight years.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, so let me tell. Let me tell you what. Let me tell what happened. Let me tell you what.

[Joel Anderson]

I've been to St. Louis, more than that.

[Van Lathan]

But let me tell you what happened, though. What happens is I do podcasts that are based here, right?

[Joel Anderson]

Or.

[Van Lathan]

Or based in la, right? And then those podcasts travel, and I travel with those podcasts.

[Joel Anderson]

So you do a once a decade trip up to San Francisco, then?

[Van Lathan]

No, we. I go wherever there's a live show. We've done live shows in goddamn New York. We've done live shows in Philly. We've done a lot of shows all over the place.

[Joel Anderson]

But they did it in New York or Philly. I Could have been there, you know,

[Van Lathan]

but what I'm saying is you.

[Joel Anderson]

But.

[Van Lathan]

But it was difficult for you to be on the rewatchables, Joel, because you don't live in Los Angeles. Wait, you just said.

[Joel Anderson]

If they did a show in Philly, that's a two hour train ride for me.

[Van Lathan]

I understand, but they're not going to put you on for a live show.

[Joel Anderson]

I work for the ringer.

[Van Lathan]

I understand that, but you have to be a part of the rotation.

[Joel Anderson]

No, you don't. What? What's the rule?

[Van Lathan]

Is that a rule?

[Joel Anderson]

Is that.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I mean, the rule?

[Van Lathan]

Somebody who never appears on the podcast?

[Joel Anderson]

I'm. I'm a ringer. I work at the Ringer, Joe.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

What's it?

[Joel Anderson]

I could be on that podcast like I could be any other podcast.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I don't even really. You want to see Joe on the rewatchables that you.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

You know what I mean.

[Joel Anderson]

Welcome home, Roscoe Jenkins.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, I thought she was gonna say, welcome home, Roxy Carmichael, because I love that movie.

[Joel Anderson]

Welcome on.

[Van Lathan]

Roscoe Jenkins is a good one, too.

[Joel Anderson]

A lot of them.

[Van Lathan]

Joel, we could do our own little tailgate rewatchables. That would really go over well with Bill.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah. Look, man. I mean, look, bro, have y' all done nights yet? You know what I'm saying?

[Van Lathan]

No, we didn't, but we did. We did Boomerang.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. See? All right. Dolomite 2. The human tornado. There's a lot of ground.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, wow.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Don't box yourself in, Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, there was a time in my life where I would go to all the movies. You know what I'm saying? Like, I didn't miss it. I would even go to, like, the independent theater. Like, I mean, I saw Mulholland Drive at the movie.

[Rachel]

That's a great.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

That's a great film.

[Joel Anderson]

Great movie. Great film. So, yeah, so I did like that. But now I don't.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

You know, I don't do Shout out to Naomi Watts.

[Van Lathan]

The point. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

And Laura.

[Van Lathan]

Laura Herring from Up from. From. You know, she was in Twin Peaks, but Laura Herring was also in a movie called Lambada. You guys, People forget it. Was it the. The dance of. What is it called? Labada. The. The Forbidden Lombada. The forbidden dance.

[Joel Anderson]

She.

[Van Lathan]

The movie was about the lomb doing the Lombada and how sensual and sexy was something behind the dance. And Laura Heron was in that. She also played the wife and the Punisher. I thought she was going to be a bigger deal. She's very, very beautiful.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Good Punisher with Thomas Jane, the one With. With John Travolta that was mostly an abomination, but I liked for some reason.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

What.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

What movie are you guys doing up there?

[Van Lathan]

We're doing Basic Instinct.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I could. I could do that. You know what I'm saying?

[Van Lathan]

I know. You could just move to la.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't have to move to la. This isn't happening in la. This is happening in San Francisco, just like the other live shows are happening in other places.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Joe. I will say it's a lot of pressure. Like, once you go on there, like, you know, a lot of people are going to have takes, like what Van was saying at the top. You know, they want to be a certain.

[Joel Anderson]

I know. I know. That people would hate me. Yeah. I mean, Van's the one that told me to stop talking about race on this show, you know. You did? Yeah. You were just like, hey, man, you know, it's kind of hard to build a show.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I think you said it on the show.

[Van Lathan]

What I said was. No, this is what I'll say. We can. What we can do is we can make this a political show. Whatever. I didn't tell you to stop talking about race. You were talking about Maryland football. I'll tell you something, Joe. Like, me and Bomani talked about this.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay? I don't wanna.

[Van Lathan]

Bomani said the only time he feels like an Uncle Tom is when he's around you. Joel. It's like. Joel said that Joe's like, what the. Because that. Because I'm on that. But when it's around you, it's everything. It's like, yeah, that McDonald's commercial. I bet you don't know how racist that I'm like, what the. Is going on?

[Joel Anderson]

So.

[Van Lathan]

But, yeah, I never said we have to talk about race. We're talking about a black sport. You know what I mean? But, you know, was that the most,

[Joel Anderson]

like, a celebrity you've ever felt in life? Like somebody doing that to you?

[Van Lathan]

Doing what.

[Joel Anderson]

What they did in San Francisco, man, With the nice little family that went, oh, wow, you've had more. You've had it more.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

More benefit of fame. You felt more famous than that. A random person being like, yo, let me introduce my kid to you.

[Van Lathan]

Yep.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

He's saying, that wasn't the first time that's happened, Joel.

[Van Lathan]

It's definitely not the first time it's happened. But the reality of the situation is I've been in rooms with other famous people, and all of them knew who I was. And that. Oh, that.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah, that means more.

[Joel Anderson]

Who's the most Famous person that you were. A surprise New Year Rihanna. Who shout out second most. Because you got. You give Rihanna answer a lot.

[Van Lathan]

Like, here's the.

[Joel Anderson]

Here's the deal.

[Van Lathan]

There's no way for me to do this.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

And, like, not come off like a complete douchebag, so we should just move on.

[Joel Anderson]

You're already.

[Van Lathan]

All right.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, you know, you kind of.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Rihanna was a great answer. It was.

[Van Lathan]

There's no way for me to do this.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Who is your answer in that same situation?

[Joel Anderson]

What's my answer for what?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Someone that recognize you. That's famous. Vans is real.

[Joel Anderson]

It's so. It's. I mean, actually, the. The mo. The question was the most. I felt famous when I was working in Shreveport on Sunday afternoon. I went with my mama and my girlfriend at the time. We went to the buffet at the El Dorado Casino.

[Van Lathan]

I'm talking about.

[Joel Anderson]

And so I'm getting ready to leave, and one of the busboy, you know, dudes, he's like, hey, you. You the dude from the Times, right? The Shreveport Times? I was like, yeah. And he's like, bro, I want to ask you a question. And I'm just thinking, oh, this is in front of my. You know, I'm like, kind of people recognize me in the city. You know what I'm saying? Shreveport. Shut up. And he says, what do you know? To get a good Philly cheesesteak here? And I was like, you know, I really. I really don't. That's not.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

You're like, I'm not on the food beat.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I'm not on the. Although I did restaurant.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Billy said that was a sad story.

[Joel Anderson]

It was.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

I did restaurant.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, you. Restaurant reviews. I did everything. I did restaurant reviews. I did.

[Joel Anderson]

I did. I covered city hall, I covered crime. I covered high school.

[Van Lathan]

A lot to cover.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, there was a lot of. To do down there.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

You know what? That's sad, cuz.

[Joel Anderson]

It used to be like that was the first.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Like, everybody independently had their own beat. Now you got like five beats.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man. It was. It was crazy. I. Man, I love Shreveport, man. Shreveport was my. But that was the most. I was like, God damn this. He came over to me with my family on a Sunday morning at the casino. Could not. He. And he left me.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice 2]

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[Van Lathan]

Wait.

[Joel Anderson]

He waited till the strategic moment that I was getting ready to leave the casino to ask me if I knew about where I could get a Philly cheesesteak. An answer I did not have.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Well, Rihanna. Philly cheesesteak guy shout out to everybody, man.

[Van Lathan]

Moving to LA is Ticking.

[Joel Anderson]

And it's gonna happen.

[Van Lathan]

Shout out to Joe moving to la.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah, it's gonna happen.

[Van Lathan]

They can't go to the next level till you move to Los Angeles. Joe.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Joe. Imagine in studio. You know what I mean?

[Joel Anderson]

What's the. The next level to me would be more money. Like, that's the next level.

[Van Lathan]

Whatever. Whatever the next level is.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

We have to be more popular and then you get more leverage.

[Van Lathan]

Right.

[Joel Anderson]

Do I need to go to LA to be more popular?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yes.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. We can do more stuff if you come out here. Yeah, you can. Yep. 1,000. That's the answer is yes.

[Joel Anderson]

All right, well, I just.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

What we do.

[Van Lathan]

No, no, no.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

What are we doing now?

[Van Lathan]

Nope.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

All right. The answer is yes.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

We would be dinner. Not too long ago, Tommy went to

[Van Lathan]

dinner with Kim Johnson. Like, we out there.

[Joel Anderson]

That's right. Man. I've never met. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

It was just more stuff would be happening. Yep.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

And all those parties you're mad about that you didn't get invited to, but,

[Joel Anderson]

you know, I probably can't go to. Yeah, I wouldn't go.

[Van Lathan]

Don't live here anyway.

[Joel Anderson]

I wouldn't. But I wouldn't go.

[Van Lathan]

Odd to me.

[Joel Anderson]

I wouldn't even.

[Van Lathan]

Did.

[Joel Anderson]

You can't.

[Van Lathan]

You're talking about stuff that you cannot possibly do because of logistics and yet you still feel slighted in some way. It's so hilarious.

[Joel Anderson]

False is because I could. If the Ringer rewatchables had a live show in Philly or New York, I could easily take a train up there. Wouldn't be a problem.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

But then you would have to buy a ticket. You'd be in the crowd.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

And I think that would make you. I mean, that's what I would have to do, too. I think it would make you feel worse.

[Joel Anderson]

You know what I mean?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

It'd make you feel.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. We didn't go, though. As a matter of fact, not only did we not go, we cucked you. You could have gone and we made you come to us. So that's the way I look at that. If you was a real G, you'd have just went and went on your own. But we was like, nah, you can't.

[Joel Anderson]

I was trying to build team unit.

[Van Lathan]

Come to la.

[Joel Anderson]

Did y' all cook Billy, too? Because Billy didn't even have to leave town.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Billy's part of the plan, y'.

[Joel Anderson]

All May Billy get his ass up out of town.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Billy was gonna pull his credential.

[Joel Anderson]

He was right there. He had to leave and go the whole way, all the way across the country. Man.

[Van Lathan]

And when you got here, we play with you. Pause again. We. We. We did the soup prank on you.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

That took a lot. Yeah, that was a lot of. Followed me in my car.

[Joel Anderson]

What a great pitch. Oh, man, I can't wait.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

All right, Joel, we'll get you to LA at some point. I'm proud of Billy for not jumping in. I thought Billy.

[Van Lathan]

I thought he was gonna jump in here.

[Joel Anderson]

You probably.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Oh, here he is right there.

[Van Lathan]

Come on, dude.

[Rachel]

Well, here's the thing is I. I'm worried from the last couple episodes because I feel like we kind of end up going down the same path episode after episode, where we just start making fun of Joel and tussling. And then people are like, everybody's picking on Joel. You guys are bullying him.

[Joel Anderson]

But some people say I bring it on myself. Some of the commenters.

[Rachel]

So, you know, 100% do. Like, for.

[Joel Anderson]

Just for.

[Rachel]

For frame of reference. Last week, we had no intention of talking to you about tussling at all. Until we had a guest on and you decided to ask that guest about tussling. But that didn't air. It was until way after.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

We then shot Shout out to Clark Kellogg. He handled that with class.

[Van Lathan]

No, he's. He's actually talking about. Are you talking about Latimore or are you talking about Clark and.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Both.

[Rachel]

I. I was talking about both, but this is what happened.

[Joel Anderson]

I didn't bring up tussling with Marcus Lattimore.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

We.

[Rachel]

We recorded that stuff out of. Out of order. So, like, you brought it up with Clark. We had no intention of talking about tussling. But then after you open the tussling door, then the intro goes back to tussling talk because we hadn't talked to you about that since. So, like, there's these accusations that we do this to you, but that's never the intention. We never kind of. So it's saying we want Joel to complain about this. We want to feel slighted about this.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

That's true.

[Rachel]

Him into moving into la.

[Joel Anderson]

I actually don'. Because I'm not on that text thread.

[Van Lathan]

But you.

[Joel Anderson]

Presumably, the.

[Van Lathan]

The.

[Joel Anderson]

The suit thing happened some sort of way.

[Rachel]

There's a whole rundown about what this is supposed to be.

[Joel Anderson]

You are coordinated. That.

[Rachel]

Unveil your big board later on this episode. Like, there's actual plans. But then you just start kind of taking us down these paths and we fall into, like, this comfortable familiarity with you.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

It's like all of a sudden, we're in room 227. Yeah.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

The weirdest thing I didn't even. I didn't talk. The thing is, look, I didn't bring up tussling now. So if you guys continue to talk about it, that is on y'.

[Van Lathan]

All.

[Rachel]

No tussle.

[Joel Anderson]

The second thing. The second thing is that it was a good clip, wasn't it? When I asked Clark Kellogg, it was fantastic. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So it was not a question to ask. I did it for the show.

[Van Lathan]

But this. But. So all of that's fine. I just don't want the audience to continue. Look at what just happened. We were talking about. I happened to be in San Francisco. We were talking about the Rewatchables live show. Joel is the one who decided to take the fact that I am with my co workers.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, no.

[Van Lathan]

I'll ask for the flex or slight in no reason. Everyone can. Everyone can discern what you intimated, Joel. Like, that's the thing with people that I'm around all the time. I know because I live in Los Angeles. I see him in Sycamore all the time, every day. It's not a big deal.

[Joel Anderson]

Last week, last week, last week we were having a tailgate meeting and. And you couldn't.

[Van Lathan]

You.

[Joel Anderson]

You had. You never. You didn't even stay in the meeting for five minutes because you were at Bill's house. You know what I'm saying? I know you hang out with

[Van Lathan]

podcast. Yeah, man.

[Joel Anderson]

Where y' all going tonight, man, is after the show. You want to pull up Joel or what, man? What was the name of that. That, that burrito place that I used to love there, man?

[Van Lathan]

Oh, I'm going to El Farlito is mine.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, no, bro. It's a. It's a Filipino burrito place. It's a Filipino burrito place and it is amazing. One of my favorite burritos people will remember, man. But yeah, I'm not going to be able to find it in time, so we might as well move on. Well, hold on, actually, I might actually find it here. Hold on.

[Van Lathan]

All right, well, okay.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, you find your sisig Senior cc. Senor cc. It's in Mission. Yeah. I love that burrito. Amazing. Filipino. Yeah. San Francisco style fusion.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Van Lathan]

I like that. Hey, San Francisco got some bomb ass Mexican food. Bomb ass Asian.

[Joel Anderson]

It's nice.

[Van Lathan]

Still going crazy. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

I love San Francisco, man. Oh, I love that city, man. It's so great. Miss it.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Well, I hope you can get back one day, Joel. Maybe we can.

[Van Lathan]

Maybe we do.

[Joel Anderson]

I could have been invited to this, too. I mean, to be honest, I mean, I don't have to live in LA to go to San Francisco once again, but that's fine.

[Rachel]

Why do you think that you would be invited to this? Like, this is the part that I think that.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, if it's. There's this talk. I mean, let's not even talk about this, but there's this whole thing about, oh, your career really take off if you come to move to LA and then we'll put you on a show. Well, I work at the Ringer right now.

[Van Lathan]

I said our show.

[Joel Anderson]

Our show. Okay, that too. But you're talking about. How would I hope. Okay, anyway, whatever.

[Rachel]

But have you like Joel? No, I could buying in to do rewatchables. It's people that live there that then get asked to come on. Van get asked to come on. He does. Well, people enjoy it. So, hey, come back, let's do another episode. Like, that's how it works.

[Van Lathan]

It's a.

[Joel Anderson]

This is a Ringer Live show. We're going to have some of our other friends from the ringer come here tonight. Joel drove up.

[Rachel]

You've never seen before.

[Van Lathan]

Is that a rule?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

You're like,

[Van Lathan]

we can't make sense to Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

Is that. Doesn't it make. That doesn't make any sense to me. That. So that is a. A hard rule. You have to have been on the show to participate in the Rewatchables live show. That's a.

[Van Lathan]

Normally, yes.

[Joel Anderson]

Nobody has ever been on stage.

[Van Lathan]

I don't know. But normally, yes.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Normally, it's a small.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

It's a small group, Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

Clearly. I got it.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

It's hard to break.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm not in it. Okay, neither am I.

[Van Lathan]

You.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, yeah, man. I mean, you know how Bill walks in person, so it's all right.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I mean, that's because I was his boy producer. You know what I mean?

[Van Lathan]

I was just, hey, you know what we gotta do? You know what we gotta do? This is for the Gators out there.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

For the Gators.

[Van Lathan]

We gotta get Simmons on this part.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I. I agree.

[Van Lathan]

We gotta get. He loves the show. Honestly, it's the only show of mine right now that he's actually bringing up. But, like, he loves the show. He loves the show. Tout we show the whole. Now we gotta get Simmons on because Joel and Joel and Bill have to have this conversation. And Joe, I'm telling you right now, I'm laying down the gauntlet. We will get Bill on tailgate. We'll get Bill.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm tired. Don't put another challenge on every week. No, I have some sort of Challenge.

[Van Lathan]

No, we will get. Bill will be in Sycamore. We will set up a two shot. We will get Bill on tailgate. And Joel, I want all of the same energy for Absolutely not. Why don't you watch absolutely not Fly me.

[Joel Anderson]

That is my boss. I'm grateful for my career.

[Van Lathan]

Why? Why, why, why, why?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, no, I'm not gonna.

[Van Lathan]

Once again, like, I want to hear all of the same to build that. You saying right now none of this makes any sense whatsoever.

[Joel Anderson]

Before my favorite line from dmx, it was in the shut him down remix. And he says, pumped you up to watch you get beat. That is. That is Van in a nutshell. That's not true.

[Van Lathan]

He can't wait.

[Joel Anderson]

He can't wait to see me run up and confront somebody for the. For his own entertainment without any concern for what it might mean for me or my life or my. My health. You know what? Why would I confront my boss? I'm not going to do that.

[Rachel]

He's also telling your boss hears this, so he knows that you're saying so this is almost kind of like a test. Like, is Joel going to say it to my face or not? And maybe this is one of those.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I will not respect it more if you say, yeah,

[Rachel]

maybe.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

We don't know. There's only.

[Joel Anderson]

You don't know. That's what I'm saying. I'm going to. I'm going to be the same Joel around him that I've always been. A few times I've been around him.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Well, he tw. He tweeted at someone the other day. Like, quote, tweeted and kind of went at somebody. And a lot of people were saying that was Joel energy. So, I mean, that. That was a nice. That was a nice moment as well.

[Joel Anderson]

Like, people were mind that being an influencer. Yeah. Somebody. Right.

[Van Lathan]

It was time. It was a named Tommy Gun. That was funny. I'm sorry.

[Joel Anderson]

That's funny.

[Van Lathan]

That was funny. That was funny. Tommy Gun tried to try to strike back, but, you know, that's between Tommy and Bill. But that was funny. That was funny to me.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

It was given Frank Lucas headshot. You know what I mean? In American Gangster. Like Bill just. Bill just took him out.

[Joel Anderson]

Coming through. That's right. Yeah, man. Yeah. I was impressed. Yeah, I like that.

[Van Lathan]

I'm not sure about the merits of the argument, because I'm not. I have no clue what the. They were arguing over in the first place. I was like, reacting. I was seriously. I was reacting to the fact that, like, whatever. For whatever reason, this guy at this Time got under Bill skin, and Bill just called him a dickhead and went in on hilarious to me.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah, it was good. And then for Joel to get credit for it, I thought it was really nice for Tailgate. I was like, people are listening. You know, it was a nice little

[Joel Anderson]

bring it up to dust there. Yeah,

[Host 1 (Billy)]

we'll see what we can do. Love to hear it. All right, let's get into the show. We got Joel's big board coming up as promised. But first, we'll do a quick one. Big reaction. National championship game was on Monday night. The real big story is that the Big Ten continues to dominate in the new era. Right. We got the national champions, Indiana, also Michigan, now the national champions in basketball, ucla, women national champions as well, and women's basketball. So it's all Big Ten everything. Joel, I'll go to you first here. Big reaction to the Big Ten domination.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, I didn't expect to have to go first, but that's fine.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

You want to pass the. You want to pass the baton to Van?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, Van, you go first.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Okay. Van. Big Ten domination.

[Van Lathan]

Big Ten domination. Big Ten is the most dominant. I don't know that the SEC was ever this dominant across two sports in terms of football and basketball. There were times when the SEC was super dominant in football. Then they had a couple of programs relevant in basketball. Maybe you had a Kentucky, Alabama will come around. Tennessee will come around. You know, ladies basketball was different, but the class that was displayed by the Big Ten in the tournament and across the basketball season. The Big Ten has this era figured out. They haven't figured out from a player development standpoint, from an nil standpoint, from an infrastructure standpoint. It seems like they were way more ready for it than the SEC was. But, yeah, really, the term 2012, we

[Host 1 (Billy)]

had LSU win the national championship, Kentucky win the men's basketball national championship. So SEC had it, you know, decade.

[Van Lathan]

No, no, no. At the top of the conference for sure. Right. I'm not saying it. Look, I'm. I'm at the top of the conference for sure. There's always been teams that have able the SEC really their relevance to college basketball. And tay, you can catch me up on this. The SEC is, to me, their reputation from a basketball standpoint was a team that had a couple of blue bloods. Maybe they had, I don't know, programs like Arkansas who got the right coach, got the right players in. They were going crazy. Kentucky has always been the bellwether of the Kentucky.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Florida was kind of like early.

[Van Lathan]

Florida has always had a fantastic Basketball program, but a program that would have little lulls at times.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Right. Once Billy Donovan left, they went down. Yep.

[Van Lathan]

Right. But even prior to Billy Donovan. Right. Remember, they made a Final Four. Yeah, they got to a Final Four with Demetri Demi. Demi Hook. Me hook. They made the Final Four. Florida basketball has always been relevant. Kentucky basketball has always been elite. The Tennessee men came along. Auburn had times when they were a top five, top 10, top 15 team. Obviously Bruce Pearl there for a while. So it's never been. They pump a lot of resources in. It's never been like a conference that, that was completely irrelevant. But if you compared it to, say, the Pac 12 or at times the Big east, particularly in the 90s with the Biggies and some of the other big tents of those a little bit behind, to me, in basketball at least. Yeah, that, that began to, you know, obviously the acc, that began to change football. It was never an issue. Now you have a situation where with conference realignment, the, The. The Big Ten is a. A power basketball conference. At the same time, it is a power football conference. Like, the ability to go out there and bully people. So I think that they're. They're flexing their muscle, and the tournament showed it. And a tournament that, to me was up and down was not a particularly amazing tournament.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah. And it was a lot of. I mean, it's portal talk, too. I mean, five transfers, five starters that win the national championship. So it's a Big Ten conversation. But it's also a portal conversation because Indiana did the same thing, right, Joel?

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah, no, that's. That's absolutely right. And I. The thing that I was actually thinking about this is, can we just stop pretending to care about if teams are made up of transfers? I've just been having this ongoing fight with people about the transfer portal and how it's contributing to the unsustainable nature of the game, which I just think is ridiculous. But the thing that Michigan sort of brought into focus for me, it was like, oh, we love the Fernando Mendoza and Kurt Signetti and the James Madison of the Indiana national championship run. Right? It's like, oh, man, these guys transferred from a lower level school to. They went to a higher level school and they accomplished way beyond anybody's expectations. We love it. I'm glad it all worked out. And so the difference is that if they had just gone 6 and 6 and won the Independence bowl, presumably people would use them as a cudgel. And it's like concern trolling about the transfer portal. Well, man, I just, I Don't understand how they can graduate. You motherfuckers have never cared if these motherfuckers graduated, man.

[Van Lathan]

Stop it.

[Joel Anderson]

Like, nobody cares.

[Van Lathan]

Nobody.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

No one's had their graduation rate hanging up as a band.

[Joel Anderson]

Stop it. Yeah, absolutely. And so the thing of. The thing with Michigan. Hey, man, Dusty May's been there two years. He brought all these transfers together. One from uab, Eli Kadov, who's underappreciated in North Carolina. All these guys. And now he brought them together. They. They dominated the regular season, won the school's first championship In. In. In 37 years.

[Van Lathan]

1989.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. And even improve their draft stock. And it's like, we. We like, look, Michigan thinks of these boys as theirs, and they know that they weren't all in that school two years ago. So I just. If the line between how transfers are remembered or whether they win or lose, I would suggest that a lot of this shit is just stupid and that, like, we don't have to pretend that college sports are in some sort of bad shape. If you're not cutting a check for any of this shit, it shouldn't matter to you. The games are entertaining. Teams that have never won before, showing you that they can win now. Players seem to be happy with it. They've got. They've got their full labor rights in a way that generations of players could only have dreamed of. So, like, just. Just enjoy the shit. Don't complain about the transfer portal, because it doesn't. It's not working. Also, we see the ratings. We know you're watching these games, so it doesn't really bother you.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah, Most watched tournaments since 1993. So a lot of people are watching, which is good news for college sports for you.

[Van Lathan]

I know in football, it changes things a little bit for me just because of how I view college football. I view college football. And Joe's right. Everything that Joe's saying is true. But I've viewed college football as more of a cultural battle than I ever viewed professional football. Professional football creates culture with dollars and then those dollars. Obviously, it's regional, right? Obviously, it's where you're from and all of that stuff. Right? But college football created culture to me at the time. Like, obviously, there were always dolls involved, but it's also allegiance to the soil. It was, like, about. It was regional, but it was about a cultural oneness and an understanding. You know, even when you're. You were a big Texas recruit and you went to Oklahoma, that was like a huge deal, right? Because you were going. If you were A big like Devonta Smith ends up at Alabama, that's like a gigantic thing because he's leaving the soil where he's from, he's going out. Obvious. There are all kinds of, of considerations that go into that. And it was never not about money. It was never not about, you know, how well resourced the, the, the, the programs were. It was always about that. But what undergirded it to me, at least for my, it was my love for lsu, which is my love for Louisiana. Right. I'm not saying that doesn't exist in professional sports. Of course it exists in professional sports. But in college sports, the young men were making con. They were making decisions that seemed to be based on their hearts a little bit more. That's. I, that's obviously gone. And maybe it was never true. Right? That's obviously gone. Maybe it was never true. To you someone who, I don't know if you're a college basketball purist, but you're certainly a college basketball aficionado insofar as like you have.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I'm a purist, but not like a person that's like using the pure, the purism as a way to not pay people. You know what I mean?

[Van Lathan]

Like, that's precisely. Yeah, you like this is not led to the point where Mike Malone is the head coach at unc.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Shout out my guy.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, cool. How do you feel about the new era of college basketball to where you have the five transfers, the brand new coach, it's Michigan. They called them missionary mission. Missionaries. They called them mercenaries and all of that stuff. How do you feel?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, it's, it's a fascinating conversation, but I also think that, you know, you can pick and choose your battles if you want to frame it that way, but we all kind of know what it is. And you talk to any of these old coaches. I did that five star series and I was talking, you know, about Garfinkel and talking about back in the 80s. And one of the things that stuck with me was Even in the 1980s you had to deal with quote unquote, the economics of the situation. Right. So to act like the economics of the situation have never been addressed and handled and you know, discussed under the table is always been a little bit of a farce. And I think it's always been the big lie that we all want to live under that they picked a school because they love the school and they're true blue and it's a 40 year decision and all this sort of stuff. But we know what it is now, it's front door instead of back door. Caliperi was on with Billis at college game day, and they had a nice back and forth. And I thought Billis, you know, was maybe a little bit sticking his chest out to kind of, you know, thump the, the train to say, hey, you guys have always been doing this. And Caliperi was a little bit stunted by that fact. But that is the reality. I think it's pro sports. I said back in 2021, there was going to be a world where this is the ABA and the NBA is the NBA and they're going to compete with each other. And I think that's where we're going to get to at some point, where the money continues to drum up and there's just basically brands and these are businesses and yes, they're tied to, you know, academic institutions, but these are athletic pro teams that might be able to go independent of those academic institutions and basically be sponsored by those academic institutions. So, I mean, it's a new, changing landscape, but at the same time, I think it is a little bit similar. And the loyalty and the fact that you can move wherever you want to move at any point, that's been pushed against. But every time they go and they get it in the courts, they lose. Because what other business is able to tell you what you. Free will? So, I mean, the free will is what it comes down to. And if somebody wants to be somewhere, they're allowed to be somewhere. And I think, you know, you can, you know, you know, try to grasp at straws and try to do well. I like the purest version of this. It's student athlete was created as a way to be. A way to basically subvert the fact that the money's being made. And as soon as they did the TV contracts, we all know what it was.

[Joel Anderson]

It was a dodge of workplace injury compensation.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Like, that's a dodge of accountability more than anything.

[Joel Anderson]

It was a turnaround. That's how student athlete came up. But I just want to ask you this, Van. I mean, you are LSU fan. You weren't excited about Jaden Daniels, Angel Reese, now that you, you were hype about getting Jordan Seaton. George Seaton was, was in Colorado last year, you know, so like you. But you don't think these, these boys and these, these girls is any less of LSU Tigers than you did before.

[Van Lathan]

I'm definitely hype about those players. I'm not. I'm not shaking my finger at this at all. Like, no, no, I'm definitely hype about those players. I also think about other players. I think about players like Tyron Matthew or Morris Claiborne, players that came in. I'm not so, I'm not so sure about Badger, but Claiborne was definitely a three star, right?

[Joel Anderson]

He was what we call him in high school.

[Van Lathan]

It's fantastic. Fair Park, Streetport.

[Joel Anderson]

Fair park, that's right.

[Van Lathan]

Like he was what we call Louisiana three star. Somebody that was going to blossom at LSU because of the deep talent pool that exists in the state. Maybe other places don't get to see Fair park play that much. Maybe he develops in a way athletically. Tyrus Thomas, another guy like that, right? Who the. Them being the proximity that they have to the school and to the pipelines there mean that they go there and get a chance to develop. They go there and get a chance to actually go make a bunch of money right at lsu and it's, it's there for them. Those players will have less opportunity, at least at that school than they did before because a three star coming in is going to be very difficult for that three star to beat out somebody that LSU paid a bunch of money for.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Well, now you go to Tulane for two years and you could show yourself off and you get in the portal and you get pulled up to lsu. I mean, that's sort of how it's changed.

[Van Lathan]

You, you, you, you could, you could at the same time Tulane and some of these other places.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

No disrespect to Tulane. I mean it's a, it's a good playoff team.

[Van Lathan]

No disrespect to what was going on in Tulane, all of that stuff. There are players to me that are going to fall through the crash. This is, this is just me giving, being devil's advocate on it because Tulane does not have some of these places. These players will be so overwhelmingly talented. They'll go there and they'll figure it out. But Tulane is not LSU in terms of player development or not at least wasn't LSU in terms of. At that point, I could argue that LSU has not been fantastic at player development in the last five or six years. And I would win that argument 10 out of 10 times all the time. That's really been the thing that's been lacking at lsu. Not the talent acquisition, but the development of that talent. So yeah, I think there's, there's pros and cons on both sides of it. I don't really care. And one reason why I don't care is because my particular school, my particular school is always going to be a school where whoever's in charge is going to be under immense pressure to compete. Immense pressure to compete. Like there are things that the, that the LSU fan base will accept inside the community of Louisiana, inside cities like Lafayette, Baton Rouge, New Orleans, New Iberia, Lake Charles, Shreveport. They'll expect, they'll accept some dysfunction in those cities for actual product on the field if they had to make that decision. But there are other programs that this is not going to quite be the same for, right? There are other programs. There you go, that's fine. And then. And we'll see this kind of among economic levels more than, than in past years.

[Joel Anderson]

If you're Wyoming or you're Iowa State, you know what it is, you know, you know what? If you're Florida State, I mean, I mean, it depends on how much you're willing to play, right? Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes you on the right side of it, sometimes you're not. I mean, Florida State loaded up and

[Host 1 (Billy)]

sometimes you get burned developing, you know, guys underneath and then they leave you when they're ready to go too. I mean, that's the other part of it.

[Joel Anderson]

And you still got to fill out your roster with three stars. Like that's the fact of the matter is that your average player is probably, with the exception of a handful of rosters, it probably rated lower than a three star. Three stars. Still a really good.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

There's plenty of three stars that have been better than five stars. Also, a lot of times those local kids that they kind of know where they're going to go, they don't get watched as much and they don't get, you know, kind of pumped up in those services because it sounds better to sell the idea that this five star that we've been watching for so long that's from this certain place is going to go somewhere. And then there's Julius Peppers who's in North Carolina, you know what I mean? That's kind of hiding in plain sight. But nobody's going to go watch him because he's going to Carolina, you know what I mean?

[Van Lathan]

But you know what they did get a chance to do, though? They got a chance to shine in camps and make their case. They got a chance. So those kids, as you're talking about, those three stars or whatever, they got a chance to go to camps, they got a chance to go to local stuff and they got a chance to shine there. They got a chance to shine and stand out and get recruited and then go places and actually play their way onto the team. It's just different in A situation. First of all, let me. It was always different, right? So it was always different. It was always different. When you had a four or five star athlete that was highly touted and recruited. It was always difficult for a player of lower stature to beat that player out because part of the reputation of the coaching staff was for examining and identifying talent was saying we could go out and get this four star, develop this four star. The more of those guys that miss the fan base starts to go, I see this, I saw this guy in high school. I see all the measurables. Why can't you guys get the best out of them? Doesn't matter whether or not the can play football or not. People have that question. So it's always happened, right? But when there is an economic investment into that person, yo, they gotta figure it out. It's just, it is different. And I've seen this. It, it is different. It is different. That person that you paid a million, a million and a half for, they on the field, that's it.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Like they just like pro sports.

[Van Lathan]

That. Yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's it.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

But, but in the past it was like, we got you a house, we got you a car, we got your dad a job, you got your dump,

[Joel Anderson]

I got your mom, your mom.

[Van Lathan]

Like all of that stuff though, you're just talking about that stuff was for way less of a concentration of players than it will be for now.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

And now you're spreading around paying you an exposure.

[Van Lathan]

Now you, now you're, now you're, you're spreading around $40 million. All of that stuff that you, that we're talking about existed, right? That legitimately was for two or three players on a roster that was not for. But now you're talking about the fact that there are players now half a million dollars. All of that's fine. I'm not having, I'm not saying the problem with, I'm just saying that like there's good to it and then there's a part of it that fundamentally changes the game and everyone has to kind of wake up to that.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

And the Big Ten and the Big Ten as the, you know.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just kind of feel like that, you know, that they'll be happy as long as they win and they'll be sad about it if they lose and they're going to adapt to it no matter what. I'm not saying like nothing lasts forever. I don't know if college football ratings are going to go up, up, up, up, up. You know, in Perpetuity. But right now, things seem to be trending really well, and I'm like, like, how can everybody be so cool about us getting. You know, a couple days ago, we thought we were going to bomb around, but in college, football is in some sort of panic. Like, people, we got to do something that's unsustainable. We got.

[Van Lathan]

We got.

[Joel Anderson]

Cody Campbell can't stop throwing money out of his pants. You know what I'm saying?

[Van Lathan]

What the fuck are you talking about?

[Joel Anderson]

You know, just kind of. I don't know. It just feels like people are talking about college football like we're at war with Iran or something. And I'm like, no, dog, it's not y'. All. College football is fine. If the colleges decide, you know what? We're not getting a lot of investment out of this, or the donors ain't giving us some more money. We're not going to give the players more money, and it'll be fine. Anyway.

[Van Lathan]

I know what kind of. I know. I. Boy, man, Joe gonna end up being my best friend in the world. Joe, you could have been player proof easily. You know who Joel was? Joel was. You know, I'm a G. My homeboy. Okay. By the way, did you know I'm a G guy? Yeah.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Raise a roof.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Do you know I'm a G. Guy is in a conundrum.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Oh, no.

[Van Lathan]

Because he wants credit for that. What if he can't take the credit?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

He wants pay for play because he's

[Van Lathan]

still with his girl and he don't like.

[Joel Anderson]

He.

[Van Lathan]

He wants. He said I should just come on the podcast and tell y' all what my mindset was. I was like, please. I was like, please? And then. Then he's like, nah, I can't do it because, bro, that's just gonna open up some. And I was like, look, are you still a G?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Can we do it, like, as one of those witnesses that has the voice change? And he's like, in a dark room, you know what I mean?

[Van Lathan]

He's like, you know that I said I was not. That everybody else is going to know. The problem is that she will know.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah, she will know.

[Van Lathan]

She will know. So we'd have to hide it from her. She will know. And the thing about Joe's. What Joel just said was, that's some. You know, I'm a G. Like, we're talking about a problem that is a cultural issue or at least a touch point within our world. And Joe goes, no, we. Bout the bombing, Ron. What it seems like is that that's the kind of thing that you say when your girl. And going through your phone, I'm mad about it. And you go in Africa. You. You going through my. Can you keep your eye on the ball?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

You talking about small problems.

[Van Lathan]

You know what people in my hood is going through, and you go through my phone.

[Joel Anderson]

He's been urgently involved in both of these issues. Okay? So I said, like, clearly, they're equivalent. They are equivalent. Hey, so I did promise I was gonna ask this since you bringing up girls and what your. Your. Your. Your TED Talk man about beating your meat learning.

[Van Lathan]

I gotta say, for higher learning, I got. Okay, you want me to do it? Okay, it just. You know what? Let's do it here. Let's do it here.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I do it. I do want to see Rachel's reaction when you do this.

[Van Lathan]

No, because if I do it on higher learning, the people keep telling me, on higher learning, I'm a creepy uncle of higher learning.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Oh, all right.

[Joel Anderson]

You'll be accepted over here.

[Van Lathan]

So this is why. This is what. This is what the tweet was. The tweet was this woman that was saying. She essentially said. She said, in a very coldful way, shout out to this sister, somebody find a tweet so we can give her. Give her credit for it. But she said, why would you want to beat your meat when you have all of this at home? So that's what she said, guys. Okay. She said.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

You're just quoting. That wasn't quote.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay?

[Van Lathan]

And so I said I could do a TED Talk to explain this. I could do a TED Talk to explain why a man would want to masturbate when he lives with a woman and supposedly. Supposedly, yeah, in theory, can have sex when he wants. So there are a couple of points here. Number one, you can't have sex when you want. That's not true. Okay? So that's not a thing. You can't have sex when you want. The idea that because you live with a woman you can have sex whenever you want is actually not true. Because sex is between two people, and one person has to consent to sex, which means they have to be ready for it, which means they can't be tired. They can't be aggravated at you. They can't be. They have to want to have sex. So there are a lot of brothers out there thinking that, yo, when I move in with somebody, when I get married to someone, that whenever I'm down for sex, we are going to have sex. That is simply not true. And not only is it not true, but it's Actually kind of a dangerous modality of thought to think that whenever you want to have sex with someone because you're in a domicile with them, that they just gonna be ready for it.

[Joel Anderson]

They're available to you. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. So, number one, that's not true. But I tell you who will consent whenever you're ready to have sex with them. You. You never tell yourself no. When it's time to go, you will be ready to have sex with yourself. That means if you're ready for it and you. You got your olive oil solution, the computer's right there, you need to go to sleep, you need a dopamine hit. You will always be ready for yourself. That's number one.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Number two things is this. And it. And it's oriented around selfishness. Something that I truly believe is that human beings desperately need. They need not want. They need the opportunity to be selfish. Sometimes they do. The opportunity to be selfish. To be only concerned with self. You need that every now and again. Not all the time, but you need that every now and again. What is the best time to only be concerned about self?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

When you're alone.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

If you're around other people and you are only concerned about self, that will rub people the wrong way. It will alienate people. It will push them away.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Be a sociopath. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Might be a sociopath.

[Joel Anderson]

When you're alone, you can rub yourself the right way.

[Van Lathan]

The reason why being by yourself is cool is because you only get to think about you. You only get to be concerned about you for small moments, little moments. That is why masturbation is important. Masturbation is important because it is you with you and you taking care of you. Go out, not be selfish with other people in other situations. I don't know about everybody else, but I'm an involved lover. So it is my goal to make sure to not be concerned with self as much. It's my goal to make sure that that person feels connected. Connected. That they feel people pleaser with me. Yeah. So that is not just something I'm doing for me. I'm not using a woman as a receptacle for emancipatory sexual experience.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I am the we over me mentality.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. When I am with myself, I take my time. I might stop down for a second, walk around.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I might look. Look at different things. Sometimes if an alert pops up and the ESPN story pops up or a news story pops up, stop, look at the story, get back to it.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. No need to rush.

[Van Lathan]

No, you ain't rushing. Well, you know, I mean, it depends on what's going on.

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[Van Lathan]

You're not rushing, you're not doing anything. It is something that to me is actually valuable. And this is my last point. The reality is this. Sometimes it's difficult. Like I don't want to speak for all men, I'll speak for myself. Sometimes it's difficult to actually make the case that the end all, be all of everything in your life does not revolve around your relationship. Right. That you are still an individual person. And you're an individual person that will make these fantastic individual mistakes, but that will achieve these fantastic individual goals. And sometimes you just need some individual attention. Sometimes you want to read by yourself. Yeah. Sometimes you want to run by yourself. Sometimes you want to watch a movie by yourself, listen to a record by yourself. Not all the time. Not all the time. It's not a reflection of how you feel about your partner. It's not. Not all the time. Sometimes comic book by yourself, hang out. But sometimes you don't want to play Madden against somebody else. You don't want that to be an experience. Sometimes you want to play the computer because this game, the goal is not to beat somebody else. The goal is to run for 300 yards with Barry Sanders. That's the goal. Sometimes you play in the franchise and masturbation is me playing against the community.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

It's franchise mode.

[Joel Anderson]

That's great. That's what's up. That's going to catch on right there.

[Van Lathan]

I'm in franchise mode.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Text your wife. I'm in franchise mode.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm in franchise mode

[Host 1 (Billy)]

already.

[Van Lathan]

I'm in franchise mode, baby. I'm not. This is not me playing online. The whole boys ain't at the house. We ain't eating no Popeyes. We not passing the sticks around. I just turned on the game and I'm in franchise mode. To me, that is important. And just let a be in franchise mode every now and again. Now if I'm in franchise mode too

[Host 1 (Billy)]

much, call me out.

[Van Lathan]

Okay.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

To send that friend request, right? Franchise mode, too much. It's completely okay to send that friend request and be like, yo, so and so wants to play the game, baby, you know? Yeah, let's, let's, like I accept your invite. Yeah, but that's the thing. And it's not a slight to the women, to the beautiful women. It's not a slight to any of that. But it is.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

They're a franchise mode too, you know, it's not.

[Joel Anderson]

I hope so.

[Van Lathan]

I would encourage them different types. Sucker. 2000s and all of that stuff. Get Franchise mode.

[Joel Anderson]

Franchise Mode. Get that.

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[Host 1 (Billy)]

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[Van Lathan]

Yeah, everybody needs Franchise mode.

[Joel Anderson]

That, that woman that you. You retweeted though. I. I dated somebody like this once. They think that that's. She might think of that as cheating.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah, that. That.

[Joel Anderson]

Have you ever, have you ever dated somebody that thought masturbation was cheating if you did?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I get that though. I understand.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I had a friend of mine's wife that actually tried to like end their relationship over that. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh man.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Wow.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Entertained us, made us laugh. I wish I. I wish I had the Franchise Mode lingo at that.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I mean, Franchise Mode is clutch, man.

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[Host 1 (Billy)]

Joel. 1.0. We got McShay's board that we have as a reference point. Freeze has pulled that. So we're going to get your 1.0 board and then we'll look at the expert topic.

[Joel Anderson]

It's free as. Are you going to post my board? He already sent me the social media graphic. I wanted to surprise you with my big board, which I think about that.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I need Billy's thoughts on Joel's pose right there.

[Joel Anderson]

Freeze did that. Freeze did that. I didn't pick that picture, man.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

No, you picked that picture.

[Joel Anderson]

I didn't pick that picture. Free as did that. But I didn't. I, I let him go with it, though. I was like, you know what? I like that.

[Rachel]

Why'd you call for the big boy before you said any names, like for the people listening.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, no. I want people to take a look. I want you guys, because I'm just gonna. A quick thing.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Can watch us on Spotify or YouTube. If you don't see Joel's picture right here. If you're just listening, I'm gonna, I'll

[Joel Anderson]

give you the big board real quick. I'm just gonna go 1 through 10 and then we can.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

So this is 1.0. We're gonna get multiple big boards.

[Joel Anderson]

Multiple big boards before the draft. Probably get up to 3.0 if I can get in there.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

So this is. We have a house divided here at the ringer. As I said before, we have the fantasy draft guys. We have Todd McShay. And now we have Joel Anderson. So you can decide which of the three parties you want to align with. I think I'm personally aligned with Joel's big board.

[Joel Anderson]

I appreciate that.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I don't know how you. I don't know how you said, are you a McShay guy?

[Joel Anderson]

Are you.

[Van Lathan]

This is good to me. I actually haven't checked in on McShays recently, but this. This board looks good to me.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

So, Joel, you say that we're not on your side. We both already said right now we're on.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I appreciate it. Yeah, man. Thank, man. Thank you. I appreciate it. Y' all like the board. Also, shout out to my guys at the Ringer NFL draft show. They. They're. They're. They're. Their pod really informed a lot of my thinking there. So shout out to Danny's. Incredible.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

You plagiarized.

[Joel Anderson]

No, I said that. Just. It didn't take for you to just jump off the bed.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Like, you.

[Joel Anderson]

You turned the corner and you were like, man, that was a weird turn. You got it right off the bandwagon, dog.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I'm on the bandwagon. I'm on the wagon. Explain to us how you got there.

[Joel Anderson]

Yes. So let me. I'm going to read out the 10 so everybody listening at home can see who the top 10 is, and I'll go. I'll tell you my reasoning.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

Number one, Ruben Bane. Number two, Caleb Downs. Number three, Jeremiah Love. Number four, Arvell Reese. Number five, Sunny Styles. Number six, Fernando Mendoza. Number seven, Francis Myoga. Right. I should have looked that name up before we got started, but whatever. People will correct me in dimensions, I'm sure.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I mean, you called Elliot Cadeau Eli Cadou, so I don't think anyone's.

[Joel Anderson]

Did I say that? Well, I think his friends might call him Eli for short. You know what I'm saying? Number eight, Mansoor Delane. Number nine, Kenyan Sadiq. Number 10, David Bailey. Yeah, so I'm just going to say that, like, obviously, these are my 10 favorite players. You know, I mean, like, this is not in this draft. It doesn't mean that this is the order they're going to go in. Certainly. And, you know, I have one quarterback

[Host 1 (Billy)]

in the top 10.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I mean, I think that's about right as Mendoza.

[Van Lathan]

A lot. A lot of people are talking about now. Espn.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

They're talking about Ty Simpson now.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Big Daddy.

[Joel Anderson]

Not me. No, not me. I think I still have more tape to grind. Maybe he might crack that top 10 at some point. Not much tape to Evaluate. He's gonna play 15 games, so you might.

[Van Lathan]

You gonna crack Cool, Crazy, man.

[Joel Anderson]

You know what I'm saying? Well, Billy, step in when y' all be in J90, man. You know what I'm saying? Anyway, But so, yo, just so people, just as you remember, I have three Ohio State defenders in the top five. Okay?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Arvel Reese, Caleb Downs, Sonny Styles. Right?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I got this from Reddit cfb, you know, to show that it's not. It's not beef. We the. The metrics consensus power ratings ranks that 2025 Ohio State defense is the third best defensive team since 1941. Okay. Yeah. It's one of the best defenses in college football history. They didn't have. They obviously didn't win a national championship, but if you remember that game against Indiana, it ain't like Fer Fernando went up and down the field on them. You know what I'm saying? So there's a lot of Ohio State talent up here. All right, you want to know the other two teams that. That they had ahead of Ohio state?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah, please.

[Joel Anderson]

2011, Alabama. 2021, Georgia.

[Van Lathan]

Interesting.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah, I was gonna say Georgia probably

[Joel Anderson]

is in that mix right up there.

[Van Lathan]

Yes.

[Rachel]

Are you allowed to.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, what did TC do in UNC football this year, man? What are you talking.

[Van Lathan]

What are you talking about?

[Joel Anderson]

What do we do to y', all, man? You know, I'll try to be easy on you.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, we gonna go to Dublin and put it. You know what I'm saying? What's up?

[Rachel]

Are you allowed to wage a war and go, like, all season criticizing Reddit cfb, then use them as a source for your rankings?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Tough. Yeah, that was tough.

[Van Lathan]

It is tough.

[Joel Anderson]

I said I didn't like what they did.

[Van Lathan]

What the. But you just said.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I'm asking. We're gonna play a game coming up.

[Van Lathan]

Is that whole.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Oh, I just asked the game.

[Joel Anderson]

See, man, look. You know, look, that's. That. That. That attitude right there. That's why y' all didn't get Lloyd or May, you know what I'm saying? That kind of attitude that Unc y' all quick to. Y' all quick to bite a brother, you know what I'm saying? Look how y' all did Hubert Davis,

[Host 1 (Billy)]

you know, all right, he's getting paid $5 million now.

[Van Lathan]

So is it? Is it. Are there any notable tastes? Are there any notable.

[Joel Anderson]

What do you think about this?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah. So freeze. Can we pull up McShay's big board?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Put Michelle's board up real quick.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah. So we can. We can Take a look. We can see who, who Joel snubbed.

[Van Lathan]

Can you put the board up where we can see it?

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, wow. Yeah. I can't read that, man.

[Van Lathan]

Freeze. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to say it in that.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I don't have Jeremiah Love is at 1. Sonny Styles is at 2. Arvell Reese is.

[Van Lathan]

Yo, you can read that.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah. Mendoza's at four Downs is at five, David Bailey six. Reuben Bay in seven. How do you say the last name that you wanted to say?

[Joel Anderson]

Francis Moga, I think.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

There you go. I like to hear Joel's version of it at 9 and then Cardell Tate at 10.

[Joel Anderson]

I think we may have.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Mostly I say Cardell because of Cardell Jones. Carnell Tate. So there you go.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, we, we don't, I don't have Carnell Tate in my top.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

So you snubbed Tate.

[Joel Anderson]

I got Kenyan Sadiq.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

See? Hey, look, man, I tried to have your back and I put Kenyan Sadiq up in there in my top 10.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Do you think you're falling for the, the draft combine with absolute.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, absolutely.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

She admit it.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Yeah. He's one of the most athletic tight ends to ever enter the NFL draft. He's like a souped up Vernon Davis. And, and last year he had some production, you know, like he let the FBS and touchdowns for a tight end. Last year he was a leading receiver for, for that team. So it's not like, you know, there's nothing that goes with the tape. He's put at least a little something on tape. I understand that people fall for this kind of all the time. And he could be like Eric Ebron or whatever or, or even Vernon. Vern Davis had a good career, but he wasn't.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Don't disrespect my boy, Eric Ebron.

[Joel Anderson]

Come on. Oh, oh, that's right. He's a UNC guy, man. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Damn, man.

[Van Lathan]

Vernon Davis was, Vernon Davis was good enough to be a good player. Verde is a good player, but people thought he was going to revolutionize position and kind of be more akin to what Brock Bowers is today.

[Joel Anderson]

Exactly, exactly, exactly.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

So do you think he's better than Tyler Warren?

[Joel Anderson]

Man, it's a tough one. I mean, I, I would, I would want to find out because of all the athletic gifts. That's the thing that you look at him and I'm just like, oh, yeah. Like I, I, I, I can imagine a scenario in which he thrives because of that athleticism. He's going to be hard to deal with.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

But, man, what about like a Kyle Pitts?

[Joel Anderson]

See that's the one thing because I Pitts was kentness. I was like, this is no way that he's not going to be a star in the NFL. And it didn't happen. And so it's entirely possible. But I think Kenyan Sadiq is a high upside guy and that's why I have him in my top 10 with maybe some other big boards you see may not have him in their top 10.

[Van Lathan]

So Sadiq goes 6, 3, 2, 4 0.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah, almost 6. Just for reference, Kyle Pitts is 6, 6.

[Van Lathan]

Just for reference, Kyle pitts is 6, 6. I mean, you know, we've seen bigger tight ends, particularly in the last decade. You know, all the tight ends were supersized, like ex basketball players. 6, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7 sometimes. But you're seeing Bowers now, guys like that, a little bit more compact, almost like receiver hybrids have some success.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Use them in the slot.

[Van Lathan]

Use them in the slot.

[Joel Anderson]

Here's the deal though.

[Van Lathan]

When you have a guy that fits that type of bill, the technical aspects of the position get magnified because you're not simply out big and out strong and people. I'm not saying that any of those guys weren't adept route runners or any stuff like that, but when you know, you had Jimmy Graham and you had Gronk and you had Gates and you had, you know, some of those other guys, like those are gigantic guys that could out physical people, they could jump ball people, they can do all of that stuff. Sadiq is a fantastic athlete, but if he's going to be used in the way that you know, you're going to use the browers and stuff because he's a little bit more of a, of a tweener in terms of size then his ability to get in and out of breaks, his ability to sit down in zones, all of that stuff is going to be really, really impressive. Because he said, I've used those athletic gifts after the catch. You think he can do that?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, well, I think it's possible and I think the reason, the reason it's worth the risk is because the athletic profile is so crazy.

[Van Lathan]

Right?

[Joel Anderson]

Right now we know that there's not a lot of correlation between production and 40 yard times. Like so usually the thing that 40 yard dash determine is if you can't play in the league at all. Like if you run so slow that it's like, look, we can't even make a reasonable argument for this, but we know that that 4, 3, 9 does not matter so much. It's going to be more about his short area quickness or whatever, but I'm betting on that in this draft. I don't think it's the deepest draft ever. I think it's a solid draft. And I'm just like you. You're telling me the most athletic tight end in NFL history, at least at the outset, going into the, into the combine, is in this draft. I might have to take a flyer on him.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

And right now he's number 14 to the Ravens, or at least mock that way, number 14 to the Ravens. So he'd be there with Mark Andrews, which feels like a good match, you know what I mean? Two totally different styles, two different types of tight ends, and Lamar Jackson as your quarterback. That could be a good fit.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, explosive, you know, an explosive offense. He's going to be able to stretch some of those linebackers that they. He's gonna be way too big for any nickelbacks or anybody like that to guard him. I mean, you'd have to have a really physical nickel or someone like that that had like insane coverage skills. That's going to be kind of a physical mismatch in a lot of ways. But those backers are just not going to be fast enough. So in, in a, in a realm where you can use his one on one skill set that he has, I mean, he's going to be a matchup nightmare. The question is like, is he. Will he have the technical ability to take advantage of that? And look, I didn't see anything. I watched Oregon games last year. He's getting open. Yeah, he was like, he was getting open. He was making moves. That offense wasn't. People talk about the production from him. That offense wasn't quite as explosive.

[Joel Anderson]

No, it wasn't.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, as, as, you know, as the

[Host 1 (Billy)]

year prior really

[Joel Anderson]

hurt all year too.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, there's a lot of new pieces on that offense. So I'm not so sure if his, I guess, relative lack of production has as much to do with him as it had to do with, you know, that offense kind of getting up to speed, putting new players in new positions and stuff.

[Joel Anderson]

Yo, go ahead.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Well, I was going to pitch you another player that maybe you add to 2.0 that might, you know, get a lot of. A lot of attention as we get closer to the draft. Kaden Proctor, Alabama, you know, tackle.

[Joel Anderson]

I, I like him. He's huge. The thing is, is that he didn't. He never really seemed to put it together. Like he's always been about a lot of potential, but last year, and particularly some Some big games. I kind of felt like he got tossed around a little bit. You know what I mean? Like, he just wasn't. He didn't flash like a dominant left tackle. But I do think that there's probably a lot of. I mean, man, he's like 6, 6, 3, 5, 2.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I just feel like you're down to like, 9, 10, 11 range, and you got like, three receivers staring at you like Tate and some of these other guys, and you're just like, why don't I just take a swing on Proctor and see if it works?

[Van Lathan]

You know, I'll tell you something like that, though. You. You make a bad draft pick on a left tackle. You are.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Well, you're moving the right tackle.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, well, you move in the right tackle like you. You move them around like it. I. I get it. I think Proctor is a good player, but there are times when the athleticism and the dominance did not show up that year. But the year before, like, there was times when message boards were complaining about Proctor.

[Joel Anderson]

Right?

[Van Lathan]

He did. He did figure it out. But like, yeah, like, guy that size

[Host 1 (Billy)]

that can move like that, though. That's a. He's true.

[Van Lathan]

But you want. You want. You want a lineman like that to have dominant college football tape. You. You just. You just. Do you want that?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I like Freeling as well, from Georgia. I just feel like some of these offensive linemen are going to be in the top 10. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I can see that. Yeah. I didn't love this class. The only one I've got in there was my boy. Yeah. Francis. And I mean, people keep calling him Burley. And I just remember when. When Miami didn't have anything else going, when it was clear that either Carson Beck was hurt or just couldn't find an open receiver, they could always go behind that right tackle and put. What was Mark Fletcher right behind him. So, I mean, he. Was he. One thing that they could depend on offensively along with Mark Fletcher? Well, and Malachi. Tony as well. But so, yeah, man. So I really like him. But. Yeah, I think this is sort of a weak offensive class, but. Yeah, I. I get why you would look at Prior and be like, I could take a chance on that. He'll. He has. He's got a lot of upside and yeah, maybe. Maybe he'll figure it out in the lead.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah, I'm looking at this mock draft. They have David Bailey number two to the jets, so, man, whoever 10.

[Joel Anderson]

So the reason, the thing. Well, if. If Bailey goes number two, I'm gonna have. I'm gonna have real concerns for him, bro.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

You would take Arvl Reese over him, right, is what you're saying?

[Joel Anderson]

I would, but I also think Arville Reese is going to have problems. I think our. If I. My ranking of Arville Reese is sort of hampered in part because I know that he's going to go to the jets and. Or at least I thought he was. But you seeing this mock draft that has David Bailey going.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

This is Schrager. I'm just going off and you know, Schrager trigger.

[Joel Anderson]

Kind of my concern is that Aaron Glenn gets fired next year and then somebody's gonna have to figure out what to do with him. Right. And the next coach that goes to the jets probably be an offensive based coach because they'll probably drop the quarterback next year. And it's just like you're gonna have to go through that. So whatever goes into that situation is going to struggle.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

So if you're the jets, you're taking Reuben Bane.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, probably.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Probably number one on your big board. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

He said got me to think is, I love. I just, I. I don't want that for him. But one of the things about Reuben Bane is he was a table setter for the Canes. Like, I just watched too many games last year where he was the best player on the field and that was even with Fernando Mendoza. He was totally wrecking in the early part of the national championship game, you know.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

And Mezador, Mezador is also a first round pick.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man.

[Van Lathan]

Mezador is fucking amazing.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

The only thing about Mesdor is he's already 25 years old. Like, that's really. Yeah, it's. Oh, but Ruben Bane, he's massive. He has great power and balance. He plays mean. Like I like a. That plays mean. It looks like when he puts his hands on you, everything stops. So. I love Reuben Bane.

[Van Lathan]

I just.

[Joel Anderson]

I would hate to see him go to the jets, but the problem is that I don't want to see anybody go to the gym.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Trager's got him mocked to the New Orleans Saints fan number eight.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Replacing Cam Jordan.

[Joel Anderson]

Take that. Are you a Saints fan?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Cam Jordan is going to be a big loss. Just culturally. What a guy.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

He's been there what a long.

[Van Lathan]

So productive.

[Joel Anderson]

Like underrated.

[Van Lathan]

You don't think about.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

He's like the nicest guy I've only met nice guy.

[Van Lathan]

So great cultural ambassador.

[Joel Anderson]

Y' all met him before?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I met him once at the Super Bowl. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

One time. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

He was like a Guest on the show. Yeah, radio.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. Covering the Super Bowl. That's what's up.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Well, you know, they always got, like, something to promote, you know, I'm looking

[Van Lathan]

at the best tight ends in the league right now. You know what's funny is I never really paid that much attention to this, but Sadiq is. I mean, that's basically where tight ends are now, for the most part. A couple of guys, like, where Sadiq is right now, basically, the Titans are. So the. The size thing isn't as much as a consideration. Like, you. Most of these guys are around. Like, you know, you have some guys. Six, four, six, five. Yeah. Bowers is a physical freak. Like, Bowers is a freak. We'll talk about. Bowers might not be a freak in terms of, like, all the measurables, although he ran fast and he did all of that stuff. But just like, Bowers as a technician at that level is just something else. He's completely different. He's. He's amazing. But when you look at these guys, Kittle, laporta, all of those dudes, like, that's the size that they're around. That's like, what a position is right now.

[Joel Anderson]

That's the profile, man. And so, yeah, he really fits it. I was like, I could see it working.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Y' all ain't got nothing. Y' all ain't got nothing on Fernando Mendoza, Man, I'm kind of surprised, you know, I dropped.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

We got to do our game. Hoe or no? We're going to talk about Mendoza.

[Van Lathan]

Let's get into it right now.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Should we do it? All right, so here's a new. Here we got five headlines, five stories, and we're gonna do ho or no. Oh, would be obviously, you know, some ho like behavior. No. Would be like, no problems here.

[Joel Anderson]

Did you find something for number five or whatever? Did you find a new one for the one that we dropped out of the show?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah, yeah, I think you mentioned it earlier. We'll. We're throw it in there. Number one here, Fernando Mendoza, skipping the 2026 NFL Draft. As you know, I think a little bit of a shock. He's going to be the number one pick by all accounts, to the Las Vegas Raiders. But instead, he wants to be with his family in Miami. Joel, you are the purveyor of this mentality. Ho shit or no shit? Fernando Mendoza skipping the draft. Ho shit or no shit?

[Joel Anderson]

Not. Not ho shit to me. I know Billy was hating. Billy was like, this is stupid. He should be. He should be in Pittsburgh really going after Billy Yeah. You going after your. Your South Florida Jesuit brethren, man, He's

[Rachel]

a betrayer to the Jesuits, if we're going to be honest with you.

[Van Lathan]

Jesuits.

[Rachel]

Yeah, he left the Jesuits to go join the Marists. There's some. Some inner Catholicism beef going on there.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, Billy, did you know that the Jesuits at Georgetown. Georgetown was going broke, and the Jesuits there sold a bunch of slaves. Oh, to pay for Georgetown going broken. Those slaves are my ancestors in. In South Louisiana.

[Rachel]

Maybe Fernando knew about that.

[Van Lathan]

Maybe Fernando. Yeah, maybe Fernando didn't want to be a part of that.

[Rachel]

Yeah, Joel's a Jesuit. Did he know that?

[Joel Anderson]

Wait, I don't know if that branch of the. Of the Jesuit. No. I went to Catholic high school.

[Rachel]

What was the name of it? What was the name?

[Joel Anderson]

Straight Jesuit. It was called Straight Straight Jesuit. Yeah, I mean, it would be like to. Everywhere else is Houston Jesuit, but it's actually named after some guy on Straight Jesuit.

[Van Lathan]

Straight Jesuit. That's kind of some whole. Straight. Straight. Hey, we Straight Jesuit.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, people knew the J. People knew the Jay when I was there, you know, and I said, again,

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I don't know if you know, he's a J.

[Joel Anderson]

You know.

[Van Lathan]

No, he a J.

[Joel Anderson]

Also, I don't know if that particular order of the Jesuits were involved in the slave trade. The ones over in Georgetown can't speak for, but the ones that fed the Straight Jesuit in Houston, I don't know that they were directly tied to the slave trade. They might have been, but everything is tied. Tied to the slave trade.

[Van Lathan]

I'm just saying, the judge. I'm just saying.

[Joel Anderson]

LSU fan. You're a tiger.

[Van Lathan]

So, you know, hey, you know, I'm a mother. You know, I'm a. A tiger. I'm saying, just personally though, you volunteered for it.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, the.

[Van Lathan]

The. The. Personally, though, the Georgetown 272. Like those people. I'm from those people. So, you know, I hear about the Jesuits. I'm like, you know, where's my. It's all great, like, where my at, Jesuits? Where my at? So tell Straight Jesuit right now. We went to Georgetown, but the Jesuits is everywhere where my.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't think they all the same. I don't think all orders of the

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Jesuit give me that.

[Joel Anderson]

But also, I'm not right now, bro. If they've got the money to give no Whitlock, they should. I'm surprised you. I'm surprised you're not too afraid to talk about race right now. I'm just saying I'm afraid. Okay.

[Van Lathan]

All right, all right.

[Joel Anderson]

Hey, look, like I Said you take that up with the. The Jesuit order that feeds straight Jesuit in Houston. I don't know nothing about that. I have not been on that campus in many, many years. Although next month is my 30 year high school reunion.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Are you gonna go?

[Joel Anderson]

Hell, no.

[Van Lathan]

All right, so I'll say.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I'm gonna say no. I'm gonna say no here.

[Van Lathan]

I' ma say no, too. If you want to be with his family, he could have brought his. He could have brought his family to the draft.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

That is true.

[Van Lathan]

Like, if you want to be with his family, he don't want to go. That's cool. Normally, the first pick does go, but not all the time.

[Joel Anderson]

You know what I mean? Trevor Lawrence didn't go in 2021.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. So, like, if you don't want to go, that's cool. I don't have a problem with it. So I'm gonna say no here. Stay with your family, man.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah, let's. Let's say we'll say no to the first story, the next one. And the reason why this was on the list is because Lil Wayne actually, quote, tweeted this story and said it was hoe behavior.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, he said, Gino is a hoe.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

He said Gino is a hoe, basically. So Gino Ariema Dawn Staley, a tussle in the Final Four. This was supposed to be a handshake, but instead we got a tussle on the court, and it led to Don Staley at one point saying, I'll be Geno's ass. So I think Gino would be the question here. Ho or no? Again, Joel, we'll go to you first, because this is your game. Gino Orema, ho or no?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I mean, I was def. I mean, obviously it was ho shit. I mean, yeah, he. It was obviously ho shit. He had to apologize. And again.

[Rachel]

Twice.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, twice.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

And he put out a statement without Don Staley mentioned. And then he put out a separate statement that he had called Don Staley and then talked about how he lost the most Final Fours in history. He kind of did a humble brag in his apology.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I mean, the thing about Geno is that, like, obviously he's one of the greatest basketball coaches in history, but I'm just also reminded that, like, the late, great Pat Summit did not like him.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah, I'm a Pat Summit.

[Joel Anderson]

And they stop. They stopped playing.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I love Don Staley.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Remember they. Once upon a time, children. UConn versus Tennessee was a huge rivalry. In college. In college. In women's college basketball. And then Pat Summit. The coach at the time stopped playing them. First of all, it was really related to. She thought Geno had cheated in the recruitment of Maya Moore or whatever. But. Yep, whatever. But anyway, so, yeah, I think it was. I think it's some hoe shit. Gino's been on some ho shit before, Doug, and it's.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Candace Parker said he's always been on some ho shit.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, look, bro, he's. The thing is, man, he's 72 years old, man, and there's a. There's a. A thing in life where you just like, hey, is this about you losing your grip? Or, like, why can't you control yourself in public? Or is it just like, this is always who've been who you are, and you just. You or you had some sort of beef with Don Staley, but yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, he was a sore loser. They lost. They were undefeated. It's happened to them before. The fact that they kept that there. They have three or four, like, crazy undefeated streaks. When did this. It happened in the 90s. It's just a testament to how good he's been over the past 30 years. But he sees Don coming. South Carolina is going to be around. Don is a young, energetic coach. Total ho shit. Total ho shit. Take the L, get your ass back on the bus and figure it out for next year. Total ho shit. Total ho shit from Gino. 100 ho shit.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah. And she beat him in the national championship game in 2022. So it's not like this hasn't happened before. I know, Dino. I think Gino's 10 and 6 now against her all time. So he still has, you know, a better winning record. But dawn is owned kind of this decade over Gino. It just felt very out of character. And for Dawn, I thought it was hilarious. I thought she was the big winner. Then they.

[Van Lathan]

You.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

They lose to ucla, and she, you know, kind of gave coach Corey a lot of credit after the game and handled that with class. So Dalton Staley was the big winner. So, you know, either way, Gino ho shit is the answer.

[Joel Anderson]

Have y' all been over to ucla, man, to celebrate, you know, the championship?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

They were on Kibble last night.

[Van Lathan]

I watched it with Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Gabriella's little sister. She was at the 2021 when I

[Joel Anderson]

was the niece of Susan Rice. I found out.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, championship night, you know.

[Van Lathan]

Interesting,

[Joel Anderson]

by the way. Oh, yeah, she dates. That's right. She dates Kason Wallace as well. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

So there you go, all the connections at UCLA basketball. Next up, LeBron James saying that the Memphis Grizzlies is one of his least favorite places to go and also says that they should move the team to Nashville. Now, this has caused quite a stir. He said it on a Golf Channel or like a YouTube Golf channel situation, I think it was. What are their names? The Bobs or Bob does Boards, I think.

[Joel Anderson]

I definitely don't know.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Well, Bob does sports, I think, is who it was. Anyways, LeBron says this van. I'll go to you first here. Memphis is fighting back. They're not happy about this. Ho or no?

[Joel Anderson]

Damn right.

[Van Lathan]

I'm not gonna call it necessarily ho. All right.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Protect your Laker.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, well, I'm not protecting my Laker or anything. I already talked about this. Like, I'm not gonna call it necessarily ho. I'm not gonna call it ho. Like, I'm not gonna call it necessarily ho. I think whole is. Is strong calling a black van.

[Joel Anderson]

Don't want to stay in a Western. That van. Don't want to stay at a Western either. That's what it is, right? You too good for the West.

[Van Lathan]

That has nothing to do with it. Like, call, like, I'm not gonna call this necessarily ho. Shit. But that was. I was very surprised, like, about that.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

He called out Milwaukee as well. So, I mean, that's kind of.

[Van Lathan]

I don't care about that to white people. Like, look, it's, it's. I, I, I. We talked about this on higher learning. When I go back to Baton Rouge, I'm like, I don't stay with mama and Momo because it's a small house, and I don't want to, like, get in the middle of, like, all of that stuff right every. I don't want to, like, cry out the house. My mother, my. My mom and my grandmother live together. It's a two bedroom house. It's a smaller house. They got a lot of stuff. They would love for me to stay there, but, like, I don't want to cry out there. So I'm about to go.

[Joel Anderson]

You couldn't sleep on the couch?

[Van Lathan]

Could sleep on the couch. But I don't want to. Okay, that's not a thing. Okay. But what I will say is this, though. Baton Rouge is not a hotel city. It's not there. There are many hotels there because people come in to watch lsu. But there are no nice ones. Not really. I mean, the watermark is, okay, the hill.

[Joel Anderson]

What's that one over near the old Barnes and Noble? What was that hotel? Was that in my area 12? It's like, there's a. There Was a. There was like a. A. If you got off the freeway and then there was like a. A Barnes and Noble over there.

[Van Lathan]

And I think about Perkins. That's a. Books a million.

[Joel Anderson]

No, anyway.

[Van Lathan]

Used to be.

[Joel Anderson]

Anyway, go ahead.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, but like, there's a. There's a newer. There was a newer renaissance. It was all that kind of stuff like that. It's not a hotel city is what it is. Like you. If you put a Four Seasons in Baton Rouge, the place not gonna be able to keep up. It's not that they don't have that kind of economic base there. Cool. That's one thing. But to say the team should move, I would expect LeBron James to have a little bit more foresight to what that means and to be a better caretaker of the people of Memphis and to consider what that would mean for them. Like, there's a lot of data that says that maybe these NBA teams are not the economic boom for these cities that we think that they are. Like, I explore some of that data. Like, when you look at places like Seattle or other places when these teams move, the economics don't change necessarily that much. People spend money in different places. I'm not trying to go against the data, but what I will say is there would be a shock to the system in the immediacy of the move because people will lose their jobs and all of that stuff. Right. It was a black people in a black city. And you would expect.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

And they support the Grizzlies.

[Van Lathan]

You would expect LeBron James to think about that. But he's also not a perfect person that's thinking about that every time he opens his mouth. The optics of that situation were absolutely brutal. And everybody that pointed that out, I think that's fair. I'm not gonna necessarily call it ho. Shit. But, you know, there's no. There's no. There's no dis. There's no. We got whole and no. So it's not. No. So I guess I gotta call it hoe. I guess that's what I gotta call it. But it's just.

[Joel Anderson]

Don't cook out. Don't cut out.

[Van Lathan]

I'm trying. Well, I'm just being for real. But I wouldn't call it. See, the thing is, I wouldn't call a hoe. So I'm trying to be responsible more worse, you would be irresponsible.

[Joel Anderson]

I would never call James here.

[Van Lathan]

You would not call him a hoe to his face.

[Joel Anderson]

But I wouldn't call him a hotel to his face. I say you be doing some Ho. Which is what he did.

[Van Lathan]

You wouldn't say that to him. It's a lie.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

That's it.

[Joel Anderson]

When y' all did ho. And I will say it to anybody

[Van Lathan]

who does, but, like, if those are the choices, I don't want to call the a hoe. But

[Joel Anderson]

if. If LeBron and I were sitting together in the same room and he and we were talking about the, you know, Memphis and all, man, kind of. That was some whole.

[Rachel]

Huh?

[Joel Anderson]

I would say, like, that. That doesn't mean you a hoe. But I'd be like, you know, that was some whole dog. For real. You can't tell people that they did some whole. You don't have to be aggressive. It doesn't mean. It doesn't mean violence. Does it always have to mean violence when I say you did?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah, it's not. The person is a hoe.

[Joel Anderson]

You're muted, man. You.

[Van Lathan]

You let me be with somebody that I don't really know like that, and they tell me I did some whole.

[Joel Anderson]

Why would you sign up? LeBron would have to sign up to be in the same place with me, though. And then presumably, once that entry down

[Van Lathan]

the rabbit hole, now it's like, now we gotta. Like, why are we around. You know, what the.

[Joel Anderson]

Is going on? The entry. The entry point is here. And so then it's like, all right, well, you came in the room with me, LeBron, and so now we talking about some reason.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

227.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, 227 now.

[Joel Anderson]

Now you're in the room with me, and I'll just be like, I mean, I thought that was some ho shit. Like, I think you're a admirable man. You've lived your life in the spot.

[Van Lathan]

You're not telling him that, and that's okay.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, but I don't think he did whole. And I. I still need some time. No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Van Lathan]

No way, Joe.

[Joel Anderson]

It's a category or something else. It's not ho. With Paul Feinbaum. I just fundamentally disagree with his viewpoint on the world and politics. Like, that's not. That's more than maybe Brian did. I'm just like, bro, like that kind of was on some ho, but five

[Rachel]

pretended he was gonna run for office.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I mean, it goes beyond.

[Van Lathan]

Oh.

[Joel Anderson]

Is not a. A tremendous violation.

[Van Lathan]

That's okay. Thank you.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, your hotel would say you're gonna get a little. What kind of service was you about to get? What?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Cleaning service? Joel, this isn't franchise mode.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. Yeah, no, but, you know, I know it was some ho. I don't have no problem saying that. And I don't think LeBron is a hoe. I mean, I think that he's a good. He's a good dude, a good brother. He's been in the spotlight most of his life. I'm awed at the way that he's been able to conduct his life under the spotlight for all. Unbelievable.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, yeah. When I did all of that.

[Joel Anderson]

No, I'm not. No, no, no, no.

[Van Lathan]

But he did host all that and tried to. To contextualize it for who LeBron James is, you call me. Now look at LeBron James deserve an award.

[Joel Anderson]

It speaks to the complexity of man.

[Van Lathan]

He's never done.

[Joel Anderson]

Man, you ain't never done ho. You've done ho before.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah, everybody. I think a lot of people.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm sure T's done.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Everybody's done some.

[Joel Anderson]

You know what I'm saying?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

That's to clarify the segment. This is not saying that. The people are just saying that they did some ho, which is Joel's definition. That's why it's his game.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's right. I'm the one that. Yes, that's right.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

You did this. I also had a friend of mine who's a lifelong LeBron. Like, he just loves LeBron. Everything LeBron. And he said that it was, quote, unquote, country club talk. You know what I mean? So that's how he rationalized it.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, this is why it was that it was ho shit, bro. LeBron, do you really give a shit about NASCAR, Vanderbilt and the Predators?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

That's what I'm saying. I think. I think he was saying what he thought they wanted to hear.

[Joel Anderson]

Vanderbilt? Yeah.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

What.

[Joel Anderson]

What are you talking about? What are you gonna go do over at Vanderbilt?

[Van Lathan]

I don't.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I don't think LeBron believed what he was saying. I think he was saying it to placate his audience. So I don't blame him. I'm gonna go. No. I'm gonna go. No. Here. Joel is 100% HO. Van is in the middle leaning towards no.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

Joel, you tried to make money off of Lorraine Motel just two months ago. Just two months ago, you tried to sell those that had the colorways.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I forgot about that, too.

[Rachel]

So maybe that's why he's up upset.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

So that would be kind of ho.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I can't stay there, man. That whole.

[Van Lathan]

That.

[Joel Anderson]

That high eccentric is terrible. Like, come on, bro.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Our fourth story was a different story. We've decided to kick the can on that story. Joel's going to talk about it on Press box with Brian Curtis. They're going to get into it a little bit, but I would say that story that we did have here, trends towards ho, but we'll leave it for a different day. We'll leave definitely ho.

[Van Lathan]

Two hoes.

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Y' all probably know what show, what

[Host 1 (Billy)]

story we talking about, trend in that direction.

[Joel Anderson]

But we were wrong for that.

[Van Lathan]

Y' all in the middle of some whole.

[Joel Anderson]

Y' all wrong.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, I'm not judging them, though.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Hey, we said it, everybody.

[Joel Anderson]

Nothing.

[Van Lathan]

You guys probably know what we're talking about. I'm not judging them. It's not a judge. Can I get my. Can I get my take on this, though?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

All right. Your mic ain't working. Your mic ain't working.

[Van Lathan]

I thought he did it over the water blowing. How I learned out the water. Somebody ratted on them.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Van Lathan]

Somebody ratted on them.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yep.

[Van Lathan]

Check your circle, coach and reporter. Check your circle. Somebody rat on them. It's impossible. First of all, that's not Brad Pitt and Jessica Alba, Right. That's not two people that have people with telephoto lenses following them around. That's not who that is. That is a reporter and an NFL coach. If Brable walked down it. What the. This tailgate, baby. If Drabel. If Rabel walked down the street right now, he walked down the street right now, and it's. It's not gonna be that many that go, oh, my God, it's Mike Vrabel. Do you think that my mom, Kalika, whoever else, you think they know what the Mike Vrabel looks like? Nobody. But so them to be in that situation. And for those pictures. Take it from the TMZ guy. I was gonna say, somebody knows that they were going to be there, and somebody knows that they are around. Allegedly. Somebody knows. Somebody read it. Somebody said, come set up. This is where you're gonna get the shot, man. It's one shot of the water coming out. It looked like Mike Vrabel is having a franchise situation. And, like. And. And to me, I looked at that, I was like, oh, somebody did him or somebody did her.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I wouldn't be surprised if one of the spouses had hired a private eye, man, to, like, get to the bottom of that or something. Like, somebody got them, man. Easy work. Easy.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

So I would say the rat in the situation. That was some. You know what I mean?

[Van Lathan]

Probably some. Oh, you know, they hanging out, you know, it is what it is, you know? I mean, I don't know, man.

[Joel Anderson]

It's just. It's funny because I almost hope they are, because I'm like, otherwise. I mean, just imagine how painful this must be because you just can't. There's no way to convince any. Everybody has just assumed that something untoward has gone on. And I'm like, I can kind of understand. It's like, maybe I'm willing to give them a little bit of the benefit of the doubt. I'm like, okay, still a high profile source. This is a reporter who, you know, has. I mean, people. If you saw two men hanging out in a. In a. A bar, by a pool somewhere at a hotel, and you know, if it was Adam Schefter and Mike Tomlin sitting around talking, and.

[Van Lathan]

And they.

[Joel Anderson]

And they switch on the tank top. Yeah, people. People be like, man, I don't know, man. They might it out. Chef the duck. You know what I'm saying? So sometimes. So sometimes that kind of happens. But the one thing that I had to say about it was that I need to see. And this is not me being a creep. This is information. I need to see if there's a. Is it a bikini or is it a bathing suit? Because if it's a full cover bathing suit, it's a little bit more like, all right. I kind of. But it's like, oh, we were gonna meet. So I went and changed the guy to my bikini to sit on the. At the poolside, which is kind of on some different. No matter what.

[Van Lathan]

So I feel you.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah. We'll save the rest of that conversation for Preston.

[Van Lathan]

There's not much higher learning. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

And higher learning.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I'll let you guys break it down, but I thought it was. Was fair for the game. Last one, Bill Bellamy, who was going to be a guest on this show next week. He was supposed to be this week, but he decided to not be on the show because he wanted to celebrate his 61st birthday. So first and foremost, we want to say happy birthday to Bill Bellamy. To have him on the show.

[Joel Anderson]

61 years old, man.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah. Let's raise the roof for Bill Bellamy.

[Van Lathan]

Raise the roof for Bill Bellamy, man.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. No, man, don't cuck out. Don't cuck out. Do.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

No, no, no. So he. He did skip. He did skip this episode for his birthday, which leads into the question, is this ho shit or no? Joel?

[Joel Anderson]

No, no. Start with Van. Is it whole?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Okay. Van Is it ho.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I never said that it was. Oh, are you crazy?

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

I never said that. What I said was. I wouldn't have thought that. Bill. After you have. After you have Got after you have been so up Bill Bellamy's ass. Which you have been. No, it was just funny. Okay, so let me. So.

[Joel Anderson]

Exactly.

[Van Lathan]

Okay. All right. Billy doesn't want us to do this.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Billy. Billy said we're never gonna.

[Rachel]

You can do this.

[Joel Anderson]

But every time I got a real.

[Van Lathan]

We just insult them. Hold on. I didn't do this. All I said was, damn. He like, he couldn't come on because it's his birthday. After Joe had been all up his ass like, look, Joel, like Joe. Okay? But the audience doesn't know we had Tom Seguro who wanted to come on the show. Joel insulted Tom Segura.

[Joel Anderson]

I did not.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Did not know his word.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, again, knows Tom Segura is one of the biggest comic comics alone there. Look. So check this out. So bus this. So. So bust this. So bust this. Bust this. So we didn't go. All right, you know what? No Tom Segura. Cool. Tom Segura not coming on. Shout out to Tom. It's my guy. Tomor not coming on. Cool.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

You box with them. Watch.

[Joel Anderson]

I thought. Why is he not coming? I thought he was.

[Van Lathan]

No, it. It. It's not happening. Okay. No time. Score. Cool. Bill Bellamy. We go. I love Bill Bellamy.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Me, too.

[Van Lathan]

Love Bill Bellamy. Tate. Love Bill Bellamy. Yeah. In the Jason Weaver hall of Fame, in terms of good guys. Okay. Have been doing. I.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

That's good.

[Rachel]

My.

[Van Lathan]

My celebrity hall of fame for good guys who've done good work is called the Jason Weaver hall of Fame.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. That's what's up. I mean, I love Jason Weaver.

[Van Lathan]

The Jason Weaver hall of Fame of good guys doing good. Jason, please don't up. That's like, Jason. Bill Bellamy is in the Jason Weaver hall of Fame. But we was all about having Bill Bellamy. We talked so much. Great about Bill Bellamy, all that stuff. I have Bill Bellamy. And then what happened? Bill Bellamy was scheduled to come on the show. Bill Bellamy said that.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

All right.

[Van Lathan]

I got to do. It's my birthday.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't think he said it. Here's his birthday, man.

[Van Lathan]

Shout out. It's funny. It's funny to me. And all I said, it's funny that when we wanted somebody and we were effusive in our praise of this, that that person went, I got something better to do. I'll do it. It's his birthday. I get this. His birthday. Aries. I'm locked down the whole time. My birthday is next week on the 16th. So

[Host 1 (Billy)]

next Thursday.

[Van Lathan]

Next Thursday. The whole thing. Me and Bill, but in no way shape.

[Joel Anderson]

You and Bill Simmons.

[Van Lathan]

No way, shape or form. Did I ever in any way insinuate that it was ho. In any way? Joel, I'm not gonna let you put that jacket on me with Bill Bellamy.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, yeah, just kind of.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I think we're unanimous. This is no. And we're excited to have Bill Bellamy.

[Van Lathan]

It's no energy. We should even ask the question different.

[Joel Anderson]

And I didn't insult Tom Segura again. I. Surely.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

It would actually have been better, I think, if you insulted him. You just. You just said you didn't even know who he was.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, well, it surely is a person of the world. He understands, and not everybody is familiar with his work. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, I just. I'm certain he's like, he doesn't go through. Do you think he goes through the Whole Foods? Is there a Whole Foods in Hollywood? Do you think he gets stopped all the time? Does he need security to go through Bristol Farms in Beverly Hills? I mean, is he that famous, maybe you think?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

No, I mean, not in la.

[Joel Anderson]

People stop.

[Van Lathan]

So if people stop me and say, yo, Van, what's up? Which they do all the time, people stop talking.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did anybody recognize you?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, it happens. It happens to Tom Segura. Tom Segura gets stopped. Tom Segura is a legitimate celebrity.

[Joel Anderson]

You pull up. If you pull up and see Tom Segura at a stoplight in la, you're gonna be like, oh, would you do that?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Plenty of people would.

[Joel Anderson]

You might. Your mic is. A lot of people would do it.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I think a lot of people would stop them. I think a lot of people has

[Host 1 (Billy)]

some stats for you, Joel. I think.

[Rachel]

No. So, like, just. Just to rewind a little bit. So you think that someone stopped you in Shreveport to ask you where to get a Philly cheesesteak when you were a local beat writer, but no one stopped Tom Sekura ever. Like, you were more famous.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, no, I'm sure.

[Rachel]

I'm sure.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm sure people stop him. But again, I mean, we live in a world where not everybody knows who Tom Segura is going to be. I'm one of them people. It doesn't mean that I can't get familiar with this comedy. It doesn't mean that I won't think he's funny when I get familiar with this comedy. But you guys are acting like he recorded live on the Sunset Strip or some like that. And I. I'm just like, all right, well, I clearly, I need to step up and get familiar with him.

[Rachel]

You Keep saying that, but week after week, you've become less and less familiar somehow with what it is that.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah, you, we. You said you were gonna follow him. You said you were gonna check out.

[Joel Anderson]

I did follow stuff.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

That was a month.

[Joel Anderson]

He never turns up in my feed that often, but okay.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah.

[Rachel]

You have a different algorithm.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, do you know who Nate Bargassi is? No. See what the I'm talking about? This is your problem.

[Joel Anderson]

Who is that? What are you looking at?

[Van Lathan]

This is a you issue. Do you know who Sebastian man of Costco is?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

No. Joe, these are popular comedians.

[Van Lathan]

These are really.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Watch them. But you would know who they are.

[Joel Anderson]

Sebastian. What? What do you say?

[Rachel]

Have you heard of Jim Carrey?

[Joel Anderson]

Come on, man. Yeah, man, I love it. I love Jim. Yeah. In Living Color, man. I know him from then I got

[Host 1 (Billy)]

all the box ideas.

[Joel Anderson]

Sebastian, man, Escalo. This dude does not look.

[Van Lathan]

Is it Maniscalo?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Maniscalco?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Let me tell you how so. Let me tell you how funny. Let me tell you how famous Sebastian Manowko is. Let me tell you how famous he is. He's getting lampooned on Saturday Night Live.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, right.

[Van Lathan]

So enough people know him that Saturday Night Live could make fun of him

[Host 1 (Billy)]

and make another guy on famous.

[Van Lathan]

Make another guy. Another guy on Saturday Night Live is famous for doing an impression.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, hey, man, look, man, I, I, I have to. If that's what it is, I have to bow down. I don't know who Sebastian Maniscalco is, unfortunately. I know a lot of. I mean, like, do you think a lot of people know Earthquake? You know what I'm saying?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I think a lot of people know Earthquake.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah. If you watch Comic Central, you know,

[Van Lathan]

I think a lot of people know Earthquake.

[Joel Anderson]

Red Grant. You know what I'm saying? People know him.

[Van Lathan]

Shout out Red Grant. Yeah, that's done a lot of shout out Red Grant. Used to be around the time seen Red in a while.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, Doc, you know what I'm saying? Ari Spears, like these guys, I actually went. These guys are celebrities in New York.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I saw Ari Spears at the Comedy Store.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

These guys are. These guys are celebrities, bro.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah, these are big.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, a few. A few. A few months ago. A couple months ago, I went with my homeboy to go see Roy Wood Jr. And he had a little.

[Van Lathan]

Roy Wood Jr. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

So everywhere I do, I do comedy. You know what I'm saying? But you could ask me about some Tom Manners. I just got, you know, I don't know all the community, Sebastian.

[Van Lathan]

So oh, okay. So what? So Joel. Joel's saying you're a cultural brother. You know, people of the culture, outside the culture, basically.

[Joel Anderson]

Them. No, I mean, I just, I. I have a finite amount of time, so I have to make decisions every day about how I'm gonna spend my time doing this. And some. Fortunately, Sebastian Maniscalco with Thompson Girl had come up yet. But again, you would at least know the name.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I'm not saying he has to watch

[Joel Anderson]

what's their best comedy special so I can go look it up tonight.

[Van Lathan]

So there's one that Sebastian does. I've watched a couple of them. There's one that Sebastian does where I can't remember what the name of it is.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I'll look up the names.

[Van Lathan]

I can't remember the names of really anybody's I know.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Honestly, Chappelle's really the only one, like, Killing Them Softly that I can, like,

[Van Lathan]

you know, even, like, even Chappelle's last special, which I watched, I can't remember the name of it.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Well, the new ones are a little bit different, but I'm saying, like, the old, like, you know.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, was Killing the Softly. But okay, the one after Killing Him Softly where he talks about going to Disneyland with his family. Like, what's the name of that one? That was hysterical, too. The one where he goes. Where somebody comes up to him and goes like, I'm Rick James. And he was like, I don't want you curse me out in front of my family. It's funny, right?

[Joel Anderson]

You know what? I. I've stopped. I've stopped listening to Dave Chappelle, man. I haven't really gone back to him, man. Bill Bellamy, though. Bill Bellamy, though.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

He invented booty calls.

[Joel Anderson]

I can't wait to talk to him about that.

[Van Lathan]

Bill Bellamy. Booty called MTV that he was on Jam. How to be a player. Bill Bellamy. Any given Sunday. Bill Bellamy. Love Jones. Bill Bellamy. Bill Bellamy. Bill Bellamy.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man.

[Van Lathan]

Bill Bellamy been around. He the man.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

No. Bill Bellamy. No.

[Van Lathan]

From us. No, no, no.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah, man.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

You know nothing about respect.

[Joel Anderson]

He has birthday same day as my little son, man. Desmond turned four yesterday, man.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Happy birthday.

[Joel Anderson]

That's what I'. Yeah, man. He don't know.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I can't wait to get DEZ on the show at some point.

[Van Lathan]

I can't wait either.

[Joel Anderson]

He would love to come and. And to come in here and my computer up and do all kind of in here, man.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

He says, sorry, dad, I'm in franchise mode.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, hey, I got one more whole of no before we go.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Whole or no, the Saturday Night Live cast member who admitted. Did y' all see this?

[Joel Anderson]

I don't know.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Hold on.

[Van Lathan]

There's a Saturday Night Live cast member I forgot.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Oh, I saw this. Chloe Feynman.

[Van Lathan]

Chloe Feynman. They were doing something for like Vanity Fair or the New York Times or something where they were all sitting around talking about stuff. And she admitted that when she was a camp counselor, she pulled a six year old boy's pants down and exposed him because in the past, he had been pulling her shirt up. She wanted to get him back. So she pulled his pants down and pantsed him. His little. And she says he wasn't wearing any underwear and his private parts were exposed. He was embarrassed and humiliated as the bus was going by with the rest of the campers. And she told this story out loud in front of people, in public, on video, like.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Like trying to do like. Like a funny anecdote. You know what I mean?

[Van Lathan]

She's trying to do a funny anecdote and she ended up doing a funny Epstein dope. Like, I don't know what the year she thought it was. I'm not even jumping all over her. Like, whatever what I'm saying. Wow. Like, what the. Dude, what you on?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I don't even know if that was Hoesha. That was just insane.

[Van Lathan]

That was just insane. I'm like, what the is happening with you? What you going through?

[Joel Anderson]

What the hell did you think they

[Van Lathan]

were going to say?

[Joel Anderson]

Is Chloe Feynman more famous than Thompson girl?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

No, no, not even close.

[Van Lathan]

Not at all.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Not at all. The SNL is not popping like that anymore.

[Joel Anderson]

That was an example that was just used a few minutes ago. No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Van Lathan]

Not somebody that is on snl. Somebody that would be parodied on snl. You have to have an expectation that

[Host 1 (Billy)]

the audience people know who it is. George Washington.

[Van Lathan]

They did Tucker Carlson.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

That's the rule now.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

That was funny.

[Joel Anderson]

That's pretty good.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

They want us to see sinners.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, bro, I'm not gonna like. Joe gonna hate the fact that I say this.

[Joel Anderson]

This. Oh, man.

[Van Lathan]

You gonna hate the fact that I say this.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't want. Oh, man. What?

[Van Lathan]

The last episode of Tucker Crossing. Oh, no, the last one, the beginning was some of the best direct monologue talking that I ever heard before in my life. It's a fact, bro.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

He's still on the show. Like, where? Where's the show?

[Van Lathan]

It's on. It's on X now. Tucker Carlson doesn't like you guys. Listen, okay, listen, you guys. I'M diametrically opposed to the majority of what Tucker Carlson believes. Right. I will say that as of late, there are some similarities on some things. Right, okay, okay, there. There are.

[Joel Anderson]

Like, just on black crime rate or what is it.

[Van Lathan]

Nah, shut up. On American adventurism and wars overseas and all that stuff. Okay, let me say this, though. Tucker Carlson doesn't like Mark Levin, right? Like, and this was funny. So he played a clip of Mark Levin, right, Talking. Because Tucker Carlson thought that Trump was going to nuke Iran. And he thought.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

He promised that.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, right.

[Van Lathan]

He was. He thought that it was coming at the behest of people like Mark Levin because Donald Trump had told America to watch Mark Levin's show, and then Mark Levin seemed to, in that show, make it. Make the case for nuke and Iran. So Tucker Carlson played that. He doesn't like Mark Levin. He's going back and forth with Michael Van. He played a portion of Mark Levin's podcast, and then right after it was over, he goes, did you get through that? Did you get through the whole thing? It's not easy. It's not easy to do, you know, it's not easy to get through that. His voice. I get it. That's why I have the transcript. So I have to play it again. And, like, this was so biting, but it didn't come with any vitriol. It came as, like, just observation. It was just like, I know that it was tough for you to watch that, and I'm sorry for having to have played.

[Joel Anderson]

Wow.

[Van Lathan]

So. So, like, when I see stuff like that, I go, like, you know, it was. That was funny. I laughed.

[Joel Anderson]

You think he would get John Stewart now, you think if they matched up again? You think. You think now he's ready to topple John Stewart?

[Van Lathan]

Nobody's with John. John's too smart for Tucker. But, like, what I'm saying is, like, that during that time, I think Tucker was like, yeah, like, like. But, like, John is. Nobody is gonna. With John because John has that same rhetorical ability. That match matches with this insane ability to synthesize information on the fly based on who he's talking to and flip it on you and flip it on you and. And, you know, and he's commanding facts that, you know, bear out his worldview in a very easily digestible way for people. John is probably the goat at that right now. John, Mehdi Hassan, there are other guys that are just, like, fantastic in. In situations like that. Consciously, consciously, consciously. Do y' all know? Consciously, consciously. If you put a mic in front of somebody's face and just tell them, go make your point. I was legitimately in awe of Consciously. We were doing this thing for black revolutionary justice at Cal State LA last week. Joe didn't support at all, like, all of that. Butch Ware, Melina Abdullah, we're all there. Joel in no way supported. Kids were there. We were organizing, trying to do our whole thing. Everybody there. Joel wasn't there.

[Joel Anderson]

Joe did not.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I mean, I wouldn't consciously from Texas, by the way.

[Van Lathan]

Joe consciously was up there to the point to where I'm like, yo, maybe we need to put this out front and let him do his thing. And it's not just his or his. His ability as an orator is his ability to also take information on the fly. And then I got to talk to him and he's had all these years of debate. He started debating when he's like 11 years old and all that stuff. So he's like.

[Joel Anderson]

So you think constantly, like on the level of a Tucker Carlson or something like that?

[Van Lathan]

I don't know that Tucker. I don't know that Tucker is like, really good in debate, though. Tucker is just good straight to camera, going back and forth.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Although he's like Colin Coward. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Although in these interviews, if you watch him with Mike Huckabee, watch him with, with Ted Cruz, he eviscerated them. But those guys are legitimately. And I'm sorry to say this, because everybody's going to agree and be like, van, you ain't no senator, you ain't no ambassador. Yeah, those guys are so stupid. Like, they, they, they just. We're deep into political talk now, but those guys just absolutely are so captured by, by dogma and talking points that anyone that in any way can poke through or stay calm with them that

[Host 1 (Billy)]

has anything, they have no answer.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, yeah. They just don't know what. They don't know what the it is that they're doing. So, yeah, I'd say I got. I'm sorry things got political.

[Joel Anderson]

No, man, Consciously, I gotta get up, right?

[Van Lathan]

Consciously is fantastic. Did. Were you guys able to get through that? It's not easy. It's not easy. That's why I brought the transcript.

[Joel Anderson]

Carlson is your goat. Hey, should we get him on the pod?

[Van Lathan]

You know.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I have heard of him. I will give him that. I heard him. Tucker, coffee.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

All right, last thing before we get out of here. Overreaction of the week and probably my favorite reaction of the week.

[Van Lathan]

One last thing about Tucker.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah, please.

[Van Lathan]

Like, Tucker is emblematic of, like, what happens to me now. When I'm watching this stuff. So I'm watching this stuff and everybody like. And I'm watching this stuff and like, you know, I watch a lot of right leaning content just because I do. I consume everything. And Tucker will say something. He'll be like, yeah, we shouldn't be storing foreign wars and all of that stuff. We shouldn't be doing any of this. I'm like, yeah, I get. It's like, yeah, we need to spend American money here. We need to expand it so that the feral Negroes of Chicago don't come. I'm like, We need to spend the money here, not go over foreign wars. We need to spend it here so that the feral, unhinged Negroes, south side of Chicago don't threaten. I'm like, there it is. Thank you. Get me back, right?

[Joel Anderson]

Because I get, man, I told. I was telling somebody the other day, I was telling Karen and Rod. I was like, man, Van be watching all that kind of man. I was like, I just watch it. All y' all want to do. I can't put that out on my. I mean, I have a finite amount of time, which is important now also because I'm gonna have to get out of here soon. So, you know, but I want to go to the next topic tape. So let's. Let's do it.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

It's the last topic and then we can get you out of here. Get back to your life. That's right. Yeah. Go back to doing what you need to do. This was. I think freeze has the clip here, but there was a tussle that was captured on camera. And Van. Yeah, there it is. Here's the tussle right here happening. This is a father son tussle. Van quote tweeted this video and said, forgive father, son. This is just a typical healthy day between Glassmates.

[Joel Anderson]

I'll talk about this on the text.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

97. So overreaction of the week. A lot of people chiming in on this tussle. Joel, you saw.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Is that. Is that whole. Are we still doing. Oh, yeah, right. That's so you. This. That's why we had to do this last segment. Because there's nothing on. The thing about. There's nothing on our rundown here. So you guys talked about this.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

This is all.

[Joel Anderson]

The road has the tweet up already.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

You know what I'm saying? And the video. So obviously you guys planned this. That's fine. I'm just saying, Doc, you know, I'm

[Host 1 (Billy)]

just saying when you see this type of tussle, does it warm your heart? Does it feel like, you know, it harkens back to a different time.

[Joel Anderson]

Like, I hope to tussle with my son someday and tussle with him as long as I can. And also, I tussled with my dad. Well, not really that long, but my dad wasn't. My dad is a great man and a lot of different things, but nobody would ever have accused him, at least with me, of being a fun guy. You know what I mean? So we didn't do a lot of tussling after a certain age, but I hope to tussle with Desmond for as long as I can.

[Van Lathan]

Okay. I think that's great. I guess the. The. The. You. You.

[Joel Anderson]

By the way, you all brought this shit up again. Remember how early in the gaslighting. Remember early in the show, Billy was like, Joe's the only one who kept bringing up tussling. We were never talk about it, but you guys, we bring it up and then all of a sudden.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

And you brought it up earlier.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, have we brought up tussling before? Yes. Have you brought up tussling before? Yes. The reality is, when I saw this. This is the. The. The. The original tweet was talking about how important rough housing is.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Father and son relationships and bonds. I completely agree. I totally agree with that. Right? Those guys, that dude pulled off an incredible feat of strength. Those father and sons look like they were like the kings of Wakanda. Got it from his dad right there. And I was just wondering, because that's like, it looks like classic tussling. I was wondering if that is what you are talking about right in the way that you guys freeze, bring the video back up. If that is what you guys are talking about or what you're talking about. We're talking about how you guys tussle in 227.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

If. If that is it.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Familiar style.

[Van Lathan]

And then look, that arm lock right there. He gets under his dad's arm.

[Joel Anderson]

I would say you are trying to get leverage sometimes. Like, sometimes.

[Van Lathan]

And then he picks that up and then he squats. That. That look like.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Gotta be about 260.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

That's kind of disrespectful.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Say someone opens the door at 227. That's what they see.

[Joel Anderson]

Opens up first of all. Only I did not ever have a.

[Rachel]

You locked the door 227.

[Joel Anderson]

All right, man. Y' all ready?

[Rachel]

Put a sock on the doors.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. See, man. All right, y'.

[Van Lathan]

All.

[Joel Anderson]

Jay. Na, man. I swear, man. Y'. All. I Swear, man. You know, be careful. You know, people gonna start accusing y' all or something. You know, Maybe I can get that started.

[Rachel]

Can I.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Maybe I can get that started.

[Rachel]

Can I ask you a question? I've actually been wondering for a while now. Ask you. Is, like, the building that 227 was in, the dorms, whatever, does that building still exist? Is there still a 227?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Like, can we go there?

[Rachel]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, I could answer this question really easily, but I'm just. I refuse. I'm just not going to.

[Rachel]

Well, why not? Why there's a gator at TCU that could walk by 227.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There's no need to. Nope.

[Rachel]

So it still exists.

[Joel Anderson]

Obviously, I'm not gonna. I don't know, man. I haven't been there in a long time. I've been on campus and. Well, I guess I was there about 10. I guess. I guess I was there about a couple years ago because I had to go.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

So, like, you're on campus and Desmond's like, where did you live when you were on.

[Joel Anderson]

Desmond is not old enough to care about any of that right now.

[Rachel]

Okay, but when you're on campus, you go by. You're curious.

[Joel Anderson]

No, I can't. Because you can't just get up into the.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, you go by dorms.

[Rachel]

Yeah, why not?

[Joel Anderson]

See, I'm telling you, man. All right, man, you're gonna get some suspended. You know. How many games did Jake diamond got spit for? Yo, you can't just walk into a dorm, which.

[Rachel]

That you can't walk into.

[Joel Anderson]

Not going to talk about it. Don't refuse. I'm not going to. It's already. It's going too far. You know, I was thinking about. Man, just imagine you fat count, living your life, and then one day, hey, man, they told me you'd be wrestling in college. You know what I'm saying?

[Van Lathan]

It just.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't want.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

I didn't want to ask that. Have you had any teammates reach out to you? Being like, yeah, why are you talking about.

[Joel Anderson]

No, I mean, just. Just one. You know, I wasn't. You know, first of all, I was only a team for two years. I. And also I had to. We could talk about it some other time. I was not. What can I say? Like, a lot of people knew who I was, but I wasn't like a popular. I was. I had. I very much had a growth to go through in college because I was the only child. I'd never been anywhere. I'D never really been exposed. I never really had to share or live with other people before. So I felt like I was. I was a very fairly immature for an 18 year old. I was mature in terms of, like, what I wanted to do in life and, you know, getting to where I needed to do it and accomplishing that. But in terms of, like relating to other people. I felt like I had to grow up a lot when I was in college. So I don't.

[Rachel]

I.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, again, I had a lot of friends. My boy Johnny, you know what I'm saying? My boy Johnny, who was the leading rush, the all time leading rusher, Desa Permian when he left. You know, there's a Permian from Friday Night Lights. That's my dog, you know what I'm saying? So him and Lightning and man, I don't know, Slink, you know what I'm saying?

[Host 1 (Billy)]

And Joe Platt.

[Rachel]

Yes. Fat Cow.

[Joel Anderson]

Platt.

[Rachel]

Slink, Lightning, what else are your names?

[Joel Anderson]

Fat Cow. Fat count.

[Rachel]

Fat count.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah. Fat cow. Okay. That was actually a fat count. A fat count and a fat. And there was also Milk. Milk. Milk. Hello. It's just, just, you know. Those are the days, man.

[Van Lathan]

Those are the days. All right, shout out 2, 2, 7.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah, let's roll it up one time.

[Rachel]

Wouldn't it be great though, Joel, if like the. The person that the resident of 227 now, like, listen to no show.

[Joel Anderson]

And they have never blue. We'll never tell.

[Rachel]

Why not?

[Joel Anderson]

Never tell, dog. Y'. All. Y' all are not trustworthy for the fall. Come on, let's go.

[Van Lathan]

The search for 227.

[Rachel]

Search for two.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah. Let's do a documentary.

[Van Lathan]

Do a documentary on 227.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Search for 227.

[Van Lathan]

The legend of 227.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

We find Slink. We find fat. We find everybody.

[Van Lathan]

Slink. All of them.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Everybody. Milk. Milk.

[Van Lathan]

Milk. Johnny. Johnny.

[Joel Anderson]

Chicken Hawk.

[Van Lathan]

Chicken. Okay.

[Rachel]

All of them.

[Van Lathan]

I'm with these guys. I know these names. You know what I'm saying?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's right.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Shout out for short.

[Joel Anderson]

You know what I'm saying?

[Van Lathan]

That's.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

That's a fair. I probably go hog too.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, sure. Yeah.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

All right. Well, there you have it. Ringer. Tailgate. Thanks to everybody for tuning into the show. Joel 1.0 big board is out. We'll put it out to the people. Van. Enjoy San Francisco. They were watching.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, Good time. Tell the guys I said hi. Everybody.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

A little passive aggressively, but I hope you do pass on that. We say hello.

[Joel Anderson]

And while I can get iv tonight, man, do it all.

[Host 1 (Billy)]

Yeah, there you have it. Rigor tailgate. Thanks everybody for tuning in and we will see you next week with Bill Bellamy. Come hang out with us then. Must be 21 or older in President select states for Kansas and affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 and older in President, D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER or 1-800-MY RESET, call 1-887-89-7777 or visit ccpg.orgchatinconnecticut or visit mdgamblinghelp.org In Maryland, hope is here. Visit gamblinghelplinema.org or call 800-327-5050 for 24. 7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8-HOPE and WHY or text HOPE and WHY in New York. For Louisiana, call 1-877-77078.

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