Michigan Fires Sherrone Moore, Entertaining Outcomes in the CFP, and Heisman Hype

Summary

Ringer Tailgate – Episode Summary

Episode Title: Michigan Fires Sherrone Moore, Entertaining Outcomes in the CFP, and Heisman Hype
Date: December 10, 2025
Hosts: Van Lathan, Joel Anderson, Tate Frazier (a.k.a. Billy), with Producer Billy

Episode Overview

This episode opens during college football’s lull before the College Football Playoff (CFP), but just as the news breaks that Michigan has fired head coach Sherrone Moore. The crew dives into the CFP bracket, odds, and the most entertaining possible outcomes, sparking classic “Tailgate” banter about underdogs, bluebloods, and chaos. The episode later shifts to riffing on NIL chaos, coaching drama, and a multi-pronged debate over who should win the Heisman. As always, the conversation’s fast, irreverent, and blends sharp analysis with straight-up chaos.

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Key Segments & Insights

1. CFP Outlook: Chaos or Chalk?

Timestamps: 05:31–12:56

• Van’s Take: “There’s not going to be very much chaos. All the drama will come off the field. … This tournament is going to be dominated by favorites.” (05:35)
  • Van sees the bracket trending chalk, not Cinderella, in contrast to last season’s big upsets.
• Joel’s Counter: “It is such an American argument to be like, I don’t even want to know if you good...” (06:38)
  • Joel points out the hypocrisy about underdogs – we love them in basketball, hate them in college football.
  • He believes upsets could happen among middle-seeded teams, but agrees JMU and Tulane stand little chance: “JMU and Tulane… they’re not dogs at all. They’re cats. Maybe even mice that you feed to other animals.” (09:27)
• Underdogs Discussion:
  • Van: Miami, Oklahoma, Ole Miss are the true CFP “dogs.” JMU & Tulane are “chum in the water.” (09:21–10:08)
  • Van’s bet: If JMU or Tulane pull upsets, he’ll wear their gear on the show. (10:04)

2. Alabama’s Status and Injury Impact

Timestamps: 11:10–12:55

• On Bama’s Underdog Status:
  • Joel: “They’re not playing like the team we expect... Injuries are more impactful than people realize at this time of year.” (11:29–11:56)
  • Discussion of Alabama holding out players in the SEC Championship “to have an excuse in case the game wasn’t as competitive.”

3. Playoff Odds & Perceived Favorites

Timestamps: 13:41–15:53

• Fanduel Odds Rundown:
  • Ohio State (+200), Indiana (+300), Georgia, Oregon, Texas Tech, then a drop-off.
  • JMU and Tulane are the longest shots: +70,000 and +75,000 respectively.
  • Van: “Most people agree Ohio State’s the best team… These odds look pretty fire.”

4. Big 12 & Texas Tech Respect Debate

Timestamps: 15:19–19:12

• Joel’s Big 12 Realism:
  • “This is the best Texas Tech team of my lifetime. It’s fair they’ve got the fifth-best odds.” (16:34)
  • Argues Big 12 strength ebbs and flows, unlike SEC fans’ all-in boosterism.
  • Heated, funny exchange with Van poking at Joel for contradicting himself and “Big 12 truther” tendencies, leading to jokes about “SEC dick licking” (19:12).

5. Most Entertaining CFP Outcomes

Timestamps: 19:51–26:14

• Joel & Van: Ole Miss winning it all would be chaotic fun, especially given ex-coach Lane Kiffin’s complicated feelings:
  • Van: “If you’re Lane Kiffin, it’s easier for them to go out and lay an egg and lose.” (22:15)
  • Van and Joel compare Pete Golding’s potential as the “Steve Fisher” of football – the assistant stepping in and winning it all (23:36).
• Other Entertaining Scenarios:
  • Miami winning sparks endless “Is the U back?” convos and Notre Dame complaints.
  • If Indiana wins: “It completely resets college football if that happens. … If they hold the trophy, we are in a brand new era.” – Van (33:33)
  • Oregon’s overdue moment: “Nobody is really talking about… Dan Lanning… can they get over the hump with Dan Lanning?” – Van (30:09)

6. NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness) & Messy Money

Timestamps: 39:59–47:23

• Top NIL Earners:
  • Arch Manning tops with $6.5M; only Carson Beck and Jeremiah Smith in top 10 still alive for the title.
  • Van: “Y'all better play ball. Y’all are playing not only for your money now, but for the future of NIL.”
  • Joel: Warns boosters not to expect quick returns; “Sometimes there’s a correlation between [NIL money and success] – sometimes there’s not.”
  • Discussion of how player payments are structured, and humorous asides about the difference it would make at 20.

7. Michigan Fires Sherrone Moore – Breaking News & Analysis

Timestamps: 68:13–87:14

• The News:
  • Sherrone Moore fired for cause due to “credible evidence” of an inappropriate relationship with a staff member. (68:46)
  • Joel: “They fired him because they wanted to.”
  • Van: “What details do we have other than an unnamed person that he was in a relationship with… If Michigan’s in the playoff, do either of you think they fire their coach right now?” (69:47)
  • Both wonder if Michigan had a replacement lined up: “I would be so surprised if this wasn’t a splash hire.” – Van (72:12)
  • Speculation about the fanbase fueling rumors and whether firing for cause is unusual for a winning coach.
• On Star Players (Bryce Underwood):
  • Van: “With the number one recruit … do you make this move if you think he’ll transfer, or are you hoping he does?” (84:24)
  • Consensus: Maybe Michigan’s board would take the reset as a win either way.

8. Heisman Trophy Arguments

Timestamps: 87:14–93:35

• Finalists:
  1. Fernando Mendoza (Indiana)
  2. Diego Pavia (Vanderbilt)
  3. Jeremiah Love (Notre Dame)
  4. Julian Sayin (Ohio State)
• Joel’s Vote: Pavia, for historic turnarounds at NMSU & Vanderbilt: “He’s a winner. He’s got the stats. … Even if he don’t win the Heisman, he’s gonna go into the College Football Hall of Fame.” (88:21, 91:32)
• Van’s Pick: Mendoza, “best guy on the best team.” Delivering in big moments despite not having outlier stats. (89:47)
• Balance: Both agree it’s a great story either way because either Indiana or Vanderbilt would win its first Heisman.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Van, on JMU & Tulane:
  “JMU and Tulane – they’re not dogs at all. They’re cats. Maybe even mice… you gotta feed that like they’re chum, chum in the water.” (09:31)
• Joel, on Cinderella stories:
  “It is such an American argument to be like, I don’t even want to know if you good.” (06:38)
• Van, on NIL chaos:
  “They go put some rules in… Y’all gonna get some Ricky Williams incentive-based contracts if y’all don’t start playing ball.” (40:38)
• Van, on the SEC ‘paying players’ debate:
  “If your team won a national championship, somebody got fucking paid… It was the wild wild west out there, and if you weren’t paying players, it's because you couldn’t afford it.” (97:42–98:20)
• On Sherrone Moore’s firing:
  “It seems to me there was a coordinated effort over the past couple weeks by parts of the fanbase … to put this case on the radar... It seems like the Wolverines fanbase did their head coach.” – Van (74:24)
• Joel, on college coach scandals:
  “It’s so hard not to fuck people, man. It really is. … So many people have just destroyed their life because they cannot not fuck people, man. It’s crazy.” (86:36)

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Timestamped Highlights

• 05:31: Start of in-depth CFP predictions
• 09:27: JMU & Tulane as “cats, maybe even mice”
• 11:29: Alabama’s injuries and postseason challenges
• 14:31: Breakdown of Fanduel’s CFP odds
• 19:51: Most entertaining outcomes—Ole Miss chaos
• 30:09: Oregon’s “under-discussed” moment
• 33:33: What an Indiana championship would mean
• 39:59: Top 10 NIL earners list; implications
• 68:13: Breaking news: Michigan fires Sherrone Moore
• 87:14: Heisman debate

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Tone & Banter

• The episode maintains classic “Ringer Tailgate” balance: expert, irreverent, “lunch-table” style arguing mixed with sharp insight.
• Regular friendly jabs traded about rooting interests, especially Big 12, SEC, and TCU/LSU allegiances.
• Frequent detours into pop culture, coaching gossip, and personal stories (autographs, interactions with celebrities, Nancy Kerrigan).
• Running jokes (“SEC dick licking,” “CFP cats,” Joel’s “they will fire your ass” warning for coaches).

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Conclusion/Final Shots

• Sherrone Moore’s firing is dissected as emblematic of the current climate in college sports: win and buy-in or be gone—especially if you’re not a made man at a blueblood.
• The Heisman will be genuinely historic this year regardless of winner.
• NIL chaos is changing player loyalty and booster expectations.
• Van closes with advice: “Sherrone Moore, you got a whole community that's gonna support you, baby. … If you go fight it, just be wary of the text messages you have sent because that shit gonna come out.” (105:08)
• Joel shouts out Prairie View and the celebration of college football’s chaos and change outside the bluebloods.

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Listen to this episode if you…

• Want playoff “chalk vs. chaos” debates explained with both analysis and personality
• Like unfiltered, hilarious takes on NIL, coaching scandals, and the realities of “pay for play”
• Want deep context behind the odds and playoff field, plus which storylines would shake up the sport most
• Love college football’s messy humanity as much as its on-field drama

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Transcript

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[Joel Anderson]

Foreign.

[Billy]

Welcome back to Rigor Tailgate, the Wednesday edition of the show. We finally have a week off in college football, unless you're locked in on the Army Navy game, which I'm sure a lot of people are. We'll salute the service here on this show and we'll be tuned in for that game. Always a big game that has its own sort of week in college football. There's a lot of conversations about the calendar in college football that we'll get to at some point. But first and foremost, let's say what's up To Van Lathan in the place to be. What's up, Van?

[Van Lathan]

What's going on? How are you guys doing? I'm deep into college football. I'm into the playoff. I'm ready to talk about college football. Let's do it.

[Billy]

Yeah. Ring or tailgate, I love it. I'm fired up every single week. I just want to hear Van get me locked in. And we got Joel Anderson, not the TCU sweatshirt. He's changed up the attire for this show because we got to talk cfp. Joel, what's going on, man?

[Joel Anderson]

Man, I'm excited. I'm getting a little somber thinking about how we're gonna. I mean, the show is still going to go on, you know, not to talk about anything awkward in public. We don't. There's been no guarantees that this is going to come back. What our assumption is that we'll be doing this in the off season, but, you know, kind of like in football at the end of the year. At the end of the year? Who does that at the end of the year in a football game? Wait, Billy, why are you here already?

[Billy]

Just started.

[Billy (Producer)]

There's been. Joel arrived today with very weird energy and not to, like, betray any confidence.

[Joel Anderson]

But you're going to do it anyway?

[Billy (Producer)]

No, no, no. I'm just gonna. So that Van knows because he wasn't here when this conversation happened. So you just basically said the show might be canceled, which no one has.

[Van Lathan]

Said or heard anyone right now.

[Joel Anderson]

I just said that we had no implication.

[Billy (Producer)]

And then beforehand we were talking about the Heisman and Heisman voters or whatever. And you're like, I think the only way you lose it is if you're dead. Right. Like, heism. Voters have to die to lose their votes. Like, Joe, why are we killing Heisman?

[Billy]

Why are we canceling shows?

[Van Lathan]

Like, okay, what's.

[Joel Anderson]

How deep into that conversation do you want? Because if you go one step before why I asked about. I said I lose that vote, I.

[Billy (Producer)]

Stop that conversation right there. You can go as deep as you want, but you bring up death.

[Joel Anderson]

Somebody. Somebody's at this point, octogenarian father has.

A Heisman vote. And I pointed that out.

[Billy (Producer)]

A lot of octogenarians probably have heism.

[Joel Anderson]

That's probably a good point. There probably are a lot of.

[Billy]

There's Heisman winners. You have a heism forever. If you win the Heisman, they're good.

[Joel Anderson]

Then that means that nobody knows what we're talking about. And. But I just said I was like, at that point. Presumably, if he passes, like, how long would it take for people to realize that before they had to redistribute that Heisman vote?

[Billy (Producer)]

You just want to vote and you're trying to kill off old people.

[Billy]

I want someone to pass down their Heisman vote to him.

[Joel Anderson]

See what happened?

[Van Lathan]

The lights just went out on your dumb ass.

The lights.

[Joel Anderson]

Stay right there. I gotta go.

[Van Lathan]

Where are we gonna. Joel's talking about.

[Billy]

This is like Stranger Things with Joel Anderson.

[Van Lathan]

Straighten the. Straighten the light out. But I have no idea what Joel is on.

[Joel Anderson]

All right, now I'm back.

[Billy]

He put the glasses on and he immediately just, like, started shooting from the hip. That's all I can say.

[Van Lathan]

The show is doing fine. Like, the show is like, everything's fine.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Well, here's the thing. You all have no show business in you, first of all, because it'd be like, hey, man, if you guys want to help us, like, follow, subscribe, share, do all that stuff to let people know that this show has a following and so that they'll that our renewal is a nonissue. Okay.

[Billy (Producer)]

It's not an issue as far as anyone knows.

[Van Lathan]

I didn't say it was any way, shape or form.

[Joel Anderson]

I didn't say that it was ringer.

[Billy]

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[Van Lathan]

There's not going to be very much chaos.

[Billy]

Okay?

[Van Lathan]

All the drama will come off the field.

[Billy]

Okay?

[Van Lathan]

You look at a lot of teams on this list filled with drama. Different type of drama. Drama, drama, drama. Big drama show going on.

Obviously drama. And Ole Miss, Texas A and M doesn't know who they are. Alabama is fighting a battle between its coach and its culture. JMU and Tulane are like, we made it. Oh, my God. Like, Oklahoma can't move the ball on offense. A lot of stuff happening. But on the field.

This. This tournament is going to be dominated by favorites. I really think that there's not going to be very many upsets or as much. I don't think you're going to see the type of Ohio Arizona State team that you saw last year.

[Billy]

Joel, do you agree with that? Because there, obviously, last year we saw the. The teams with buys all lose. And that was sort of shocking to people. We also have this sort of, you know, ethos in the world of college football where people seem to hate the idea of a Cinderella story. We love it in college basketball, but we hate it in college football. So much so that we got people saying the G5 shouldn't even be in the playoffs.

[Joel Anderson]

What it is, it is such an American argument to be like, I don't even want to know if you good. That's it. Like, I just feel that in college so much, it's like, we don't even care if you're good. Like, we don't care what you do. No matter what your credentials are, no matter what your resume is, no matter what you've done in the season, it's like, we don't even really want to find out, bro. Just stay over there so you can just kind of see. It just feels like that's why maybe college football is the most American sport of all. But I think that it depends on what you mean by surprise or, like, upsets, because I think that, like, once you get inside, like, once you. Anybody from Indiana to Oregon and maybe Miami, like, you could. If one of those teams beat another, you wouldn't be that surprised.

[Van Lathan]

Not that big of an upset.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. And so any of those teams could beat anybody. And so I think among that group of teams that they're probably a lower seed, will knock off a top seed. But, yeah, I agree with Van for the most part. I mean, it's just going to be very hard for JMU to survive. Okay. I don't mean to do them like that, but, like, I mean, that is going to be a really, really hard night for them.

[Van Lathan]

What do you think? What do we think Miami's future is, man? Miami's in. Now. Now Miami's in. Miami is in. They are into the playoff. It shook out right for them. Notre Dame is out. What does Miami have to do? Is Miami under any pressure to perform in the playoff because they made it over a Notre Dame team that a lot of people are very high on?

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, don't. Don't you think that people are going to. I mean.

They'Re kind of in a tough spot as it is, because they're going to. They're the. They're going on the road. They're playing. You know, Kyle Field is not an easy place to play. And, you know. Yeah. And I mean, you know, like, I mean, you got to trust Carson Beckman in a tight spot with things on the line. Like, that's not a great spot for them. But if they lose, I mean, they're supposed to lose. They are the 10 seed. They were on the bubble, A and M, even. Even though they lost their last game, they were firmly within the turn within the tournament. Everybody knew A and M was. Is good. Miami still has a lot to prove and so if they lose, it's just like, hell yeah. You were the. You were the lasted large team in the tournament.

[Billy]

Yeah. The good news is that they lost to both those teams, right? They lost in Miami. They lost in A and M. So like, it's not as much of. You can't really be the drum too much if you're Notre Dame, but I'm sure they will. If Miami were to get absolutely embarrassed in that game. I did want to ask you, Van, like, what teams would you kind of consider the underdogs that wouldn't be the favorites, obviously. Jmu, Tulane. Those would be the two teams that are obvious there. But then from there, I mean, is Miami considered an underdog? I mean, they're a really good football team. Is Oklahoma considered an underdog? Is Ole Miss because they don't have Lane Kiffin like, or is there only two teams really that we consider the underdogs?

[Van Lathan]

Well, JMU and Tulane. They're not dogs at all. They're not dogs.

[Billy]

They're cats.

[Van Lathan]

They're not underdogs. They're cats. Maybe even mice.

[Joel Anderson]

All right.

[Van Lathan]

Like mice that you feed to other. And you know, like the little. You've got to feed a mice to a bigger animal.

[Billy]

Yeah, like a snake.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, mouse. You know what I mean? You gotta feed that like they're chum, chum in the water. If they prove me wrong, I'll come on here and absolutely go nuts. But right now, JMU and Tulane are.

[Joel Anderson]

That was the most cowardly. That was the most cowardly follow up. I'll just come on here and go nuts. What was.

[Billy]

No, you can wear a JMU sweatshirt.

[Van Lathan]

Whatever you want me to do.

[Billy]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Whatever the jam used. I wear jam. You two, Lane sweatshirt. The whole nine. Whatever the Roll wave.

[Billy (Producer)]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Roll wave. Roll wave.

[Joel Anderson]

Heard him with a Tulane sweatshirt.

[Billy]

Too lame. Delay.

[Joel Anderson]

Too late. Okay.

[Billy]

Like it's.

[Van Lathan]

But your dogs in this tourney to me are Miami, Oklahoma and Ole Miss. Those are the teams that are dogs right now. Miami is a team that not everybody was super sold on. They kind of inched their way into the tournament. Oklahoma is a team with a putrid anemic offense. Ole Miss is a team that has their entire football intelligentsia gutted. So those are the three teams right now that I'm looking at. Like, I probably have the most questions about them. And they're going to have to get over the most to, you know, make an impact in. In the tournament. If you look at Ohio State, Indiana, Georgia, Oregon, Texas Tech, the rest of these teams, Alabama, you can make an argument they should probably be in that underdog situation as well. But the rest of these teams, you know, you're, you're pretty well versed on them. They, they got, they're in pretty strong positions.

[Billy]

I did want to ask like, if Alabama, let's say they make a run, right? If Alabama goes, wins their first game and then they upset Indiana in the second round. I mean, will we have to view them, Joel, as an underdog? I mean, they were the number one seed in the sec, so it does feel very strange to look at them in that light. But technically they should be in that light based on the odds.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I mean, I guess the thing is though, is like you can look at their resume and say that they were the top seed in the sec, but we can also see them like, we watch them play and they're not playing like that team. They're not playing like they were the top seed in the SEC or that, you know, we should consider them a national championship contender.

[Billy]

They had that four week swoon period where they beat four straight ranked teams and they look like the Alabama that we all know and suspect them to be. But then from there they have not looked good.

[Joel Anderson]

Right. And I think I would say is that like everybody underestimates the impact of injuries at this time of the year. Like for why teams don't play well. Like, we just never know how beat up a football team is. But however beat up you think it is, it's probably more beat up. So they probably are. We know that they're dealing with that. And they held out a lot of players actually in the SEC championship, like 10, because they didn't want to, you know, they were injured or didn't want them to get them more hurt or whatever. So they've got to be dealing with that.

[Van Lathan]

Or they wanted to have an excuse in case the game wasn't as competitive as the one, which it would work.

[Joel Anderson]

It worked. It worked, it worked, it worked. But man, you know who I mean. Kaylin DeBoer is going to have a hard time, bro. If they, I mean, this. How many. I was looking back here to see when was the last time Alabama lost four games in a season and it was Nick Saban's first, first year. That's the last time. They lost six games that year. But it's been a long time since they're going to lose as many games in the season as they have.

[Van Lathan]

But these two losses count. Yeah, I mean, they count as losses. They're post season losses. Right.

[Joel Anderson]

But they count In Alabama. Alabama. I mean, if you're Alabama, you don't look on any. You. You're not supposed to look at any opposing sideline or any opposing fan base and be like, damn, I wish I had what they had. They better than us. Like, Alabama is. Is right there with them. That's how they think, and that's why that's such a hard job. And I don't. I don't think Kaylin DeBoer is going to get a break at all. If they. If they. If they go out there. Oh, man, they got there.

[Van Lathan]

Joe, what the is going on with the light, bro?

[Billy]

Joe's got, like, clap on lights or something. What is going on?

[Van Lathan]

Just turned off again. Like, what's going on with the light?

[Joel Anderson]

Well, you know what? Actually, the problem here is there's a plug under here. My foot is hitting as I'm making points.

[Billy]

Joel's kicking and screaming.

[Joel Anderson]

I think I finished my point. Y' all go ahead, and I'm gonna go plug this up again. I'm sorry.

[Van Lathan]

Okay. Joel's gonna plug his light back up.

[Billy]

While Joel's doing that. Van, can I just read you the odds so we get an idea of kind of the lay of land here. First fact here. These are the fanduel odds for who can win the national championship. Big P. Ohio State is favored at plus 200. We got Indiana plus 300. So they're the second best odds, even though they just beat Ohio state. We got Georgia plus 600. Oregon plus 800. Texas Tech plus 950. Then the long shot odds kind of come in. A and M plus 1900. Ole Miss plus 2200. Alabama 2500. Miami, 2700. Oklahoma, 4500. Then plus 70,000 for JMU, plus 75,000 for two lane. So two lane, the least favorable odds there, 75 to 1. So that's obviously a long shot to say the least, but they're still in the mix of the conversation. Do those odds feel right, Van? When you look at that, do you feel like that's the order of who can win the national championship?

[Van Lathan]

So does that mean that if you bet a hundred dollars on JMU to win a national championship, that you win $70,000?

[Billy]

75.

[Billy (Producer)]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Jesus Christ.

[Joel Anderson]

It's pretty good.

[Van Lathan]

I gotta put a hundred. I gotta put 100 on it.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. Pretty good.

[Billy]

I mean, what if they were 70? Sorry. They were.

[Joel Anderson]

You're right. They don't catch fire. All right?

They're going to be literally lit on fire.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, these. These. These odds seem pretty. I mean, Most people in the. In the country are going to agree that Ohio State's the best team. Right? Ohio State's the most well constructed team. These odds look pretty fire. Yeah, I mean, there's not that much movement between Ohio State and Georgia. You get a little bit more between Oregon and Texas A and M. You know, but those first three teams, I think a lot of people are probably going to make the argument that, you know, those are the teams with the biggest advantage right now in college football.

[Billy]

But again, we saw last year precedent. Again, it doesn't matter in college football, as we're learning, but the teams with buys last year actually got hindered by having the buys. So is there any world in which where there is some value for some of these other teams? I mean, Texas Tech obviously has a buy. Oregon has the best odds for a team that has to play in the first round. Is Texas Tech not getting enough respect? Joel, they're not even the top four of the odds right now.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I think they're getting the respect they deserve. Like, you know, this is. This is.

[Billy]

Oh, so the Big 12, you're saying is maybe a notch below.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, I'm just saying this is rarefied air for Texas. I can't acc. You know what I'm saying? We don't look acc. There's a reason why we got JMU in the tournament.

[Van Lathan]

You ever realize, though, that, like, everybody's shooting at me? No, no, no, no, no. God has blessed you. God has blessed you, and you're just an incredibly entertaining podcaster. That's blessing. But at the same time, almost everything that you say, you contradict.

[Joel Anderson]

That's not true.

[Van Lathan]

Just let me. You just after the entire season.

[Billy]

That's why I had to punk a.

[Van Lathan]

Little bit of being a Big 12 truther. This is conference for you to say that the champion. For you to talk about the champion of your league. Your league.

[Joel Anderson]

You're the big shortmack. I'm Brett Yormak. That's right. All right, I'm just saying.

[Van Lathan]

I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, wait, no, no. Here's the thing. And this is what SEC partisans can't understand. I can be truthful and I can have context and I can say, look, some years the Big 12 are stronger than others. This year there were two teams that were the clear class of the league, and one of them is a team that has never been here before. This is the best Texas Tech team of my lifetime. It is fair that they've got the fifth best odds to win the national championship. That doesn't mean that I don't think that the Big 12 is a good conference or that it's not competitive. What I'm saying is that this year, like, it is what it is. I think that Texas Tech team has an outside shot. Probably about fifth best odds to win, which is about where they're seated. And that's. I think that's only appropriate. What the SEC wants you to do is they want you to lie to you, to people every time that you talk to them. They want you to like people like Van. They want you to say, well, man, you know, sometimes you just can't help it, man. 3 win Florida comes into your house and you. It's going. All of a sudden, you know, you're in a street fight. Oh, man, Mississippi State, that's one of the best teams. I mean, you've never seen a better 5 win team anywhere in the country like Mississippi State. They're fine. They probably got about what, three, four first round draft picks there. Tennessee, Joey, they would have won the acc.

[Billy]

They would.

[Joel Anderson]

Joey Aguilar, who was, who USC was like, UCLA was like, fine, that's cool, you can go. And he had to end up at Tennessee and threw for 3,000 yards and let. And all of a sudden people were like, oh, man. I guess Joey Aguilar is not that bad, I thought. But he had to play against SEC defenses. But I guess Joey Aguilar, we found out he's an SEC athlete. He was great, a great SEC quarterback. Didn't need no time in off season.

[Van Lathan]

Who's his coach? Who's his coach?

[Joel Anderson]

Who's his coach right now?

[Van Lathan]

Who's his coach?

[Joel Anderson]

Joey Aguilar.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

John Schreifold.

[Van Lathan]

You think that makes a difference in how he performs and how he produces? Maybe the offensive scheme?

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, he's asking.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, maybe.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, you know, but maybe.

[Van Lathan]

I don't know.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, they didn't. But if they could have started the season with Nico, they would have. They would have preferred to have had Nico. They ended up with Joey Aguilar. And it just shows that that offense. Again, I'm not taking anything away from Josh Hypo. He's very good, but I just feel.

[Billy]

Like you're just defending Nico.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. You guys wanted me to hate on the big. You just. Guys wanted me to. You wanted to take what I said about the Big 12 or Texas Tech in particular.

[Van Lathan]

Champion. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

And pretend that I disrespected them. But I didn't. I just gave appropriate context and I won't lie to y' all like the SEC fans will.

[Van Lathan]

Right? Okay, I understand. I've never done that, but I get it. I get it. I get it. I'm just saying I believe in Texas Tech. I'm not down on them as a champion of one of the greatest conferences in America. I'm not. I'm not down on them like.

[Billy]

Fans defending the Big 12.

[Van Lathan]

I just want to say something. I want to say something before we get. Before we move on.

[Joel Anderson]

Nobody even talks about Arizona. They were 9 and 3 this year. Very.

[Van Lathan]

Joel said. Joel has said that, like, what these conferences need to do is more dick licking.

[Joel Anderson]

Joel, what is going on?

[Billy]

I think it was dick riding, but.

[Van Lathan]

If you want to see more dick licking.

[Joel Anderson]

Do y' all see how he's poking at me?

[Van Lathan]

Why are you.

[Joel Anderson]

Why are you doing this, man? He just want. You want me to be wrong. You want. You want.

[Van Lathan]

I gotta do later on in big van on campus. I got a lot of SEC dick licking to do. So, like, it's gonna be a whole thing.

[Joel Anderson]

So.

[Billy]

Yeah, like a tease there.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, for sure.

[Billy]

I got one big question for you guys. Just looking at. We talked about the odds and kind of where they stand. That is what it is. One big question. What's the most entertaining outcome in the College Football Playoff? Because everybody can predict, like, what they suspect or what they, you know. You know, we'll see or preview, whatever. Whatever it is. But most entertaining outcome is always the best outcome.

[Van Lathan]

You go first, Joel.

[Billy]

Joel, you go first. Most entertaining outcome.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, well. Ole Miss going on a run.

[Van Lathan]

Ole Miss National Championship.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, right?

Yeah, man. I mean, that would be hilarious.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. The Ole Miss National Championship right now would be insanely funny.

[Billy]

Cinema.

[Van Lathan]

Like, ridiculously funny.

[Joel Anderson]

Would it make you second guess that.

[Van Lathan]

As an LSU fan? He'll be fucking hysterical.

[Joel Anderson]

Would it make you second guess anything?

[Van Lathan]

No, it wouldn't. Because he put the team together right? So for me, there's almost no way to lose. But for Lane, it would have to be gutting if that were the case.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man, he would be hurt.

[Billy]

I think that's the fair followup. Like, I know that Lane has been pretty active on Twitter. Like, he's basically trying to take credit for the whole offensive staff going back to help with the Ole Miss team. He's saying, go win. I'm pulling for you guys. All the Ole Miss before saying, leave us alone. We don't want to hear your thoughts on this.

[Joel Anderson]

Would.

[Billy]

Would Lane. Kiffin. Van. I'll ask you, since it, you know, it's a little bit close now, would Lane Kiffin actually be pulling for Ole Miss? Because I think that it would get to a point where this is getting a little bit too close to home for him. Would he actually root for them to win the title?

[Van Lathan]

No.

[Billy]

Yeah, right, exactly.

[Van Lathan]

That's what I mean. You know how much that would complicate his life.

[Joel Anderson]

But, man, don't he have like a million dollars on the line or something? Like, he gets a pretty good bonus.

[Billy]

He gets his bonus, right? If they do win, he does get his bonus.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I get that, and I understand that. And maybe you could make an argument in some way that that would get in the way of the hurt. But no, he can't want that to happen. If that happens, then it essentially. First of all, they get a national championship that he can't really claim. Maybe he would still claim it. Maybe he's that kind of guy that still claim it, but they get a.

[Joel Anderson]

National championship, you wouldn't claim it.

[Van Lathan]

I would try to claim it, but you're not going to get nothing but people getting in your face about you claiming it the whole time you in Baton Rouge. And then on top of that, that start. That starts Golding's career at Notre Dame as the. At Notre Dame, at Ole Miss as the guy who coached them to a national champion. So it's national championship.

[Billy]

So, like, they're building him a statue.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, if you're. If. If you're Lane Kiffin. It's easier if you're Lane Kiffin. Not saying that he wants this, but for them to go out and lay an egg and then lose for Then everybody else to be like. A lot of their success was because of what he was doing with the headset on.

[Joel Anderson]

Man, I didn't know. It never even occurred to me that Pete golden could be Steve Fisher. Y'.

[Billy (Producer)]

All.

[Joel Anderson]

Y' all remember Steve Fisher?

[Billy]

Yeah, of course. 1989.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, right. Yeah. Head coach. For people that don't know.

[Van Lathan]

Michigan Wolverines.

[Joel Anderson]

Michigan Wolverines. Bill Freeter, I think, was the head coach, and he took a job at Arizona State. Right. Right before the tournament or something like that. And so Steve Fisher was the interim coach and led Michigan to the national championship. I think Ramil Robinson, is that. Is that the guy that was the Final Four mvp?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Wasn't Glen Rice on that?

[Billy]

I thought it was Glenn Rice.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah, it was Glen Rice. Yeah, it's Glen Rice.

[Billy]

So Glenn Rice, great Charlotte Hornet.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah. Went out and won the National. They went out and won the national championship. So that Pete golden could be our generation. Steve Fisher, if He can manage to pull this off, but we know that that's not going to happen.

[Billy]

It's possible if all things fall in line, but, yeah, it's. They got a great draw in the first round, obviously, playing Summerall, who's doing the, you know, the house divided in his own home, where he's wearing the hat with both sides of the Florida Tulane situation, which is kind of a weird situation for anybody to be in that doing. Yeah. What do you. Ben, what do you think about that?

[Van Lathan]

Are you doing. Why would you do that? What's up with these people, man? Look, I got a lot of respect for Johnson morale. Y' all know I'm about to get disrespectful now. What the fuck are you doing? Like, why would you draw attention to something that everybody is complaining about, which is the fact that these college coaches are running away from their programs and even as they go to the playoffs. Yeah, Summerall is fucking lucky that Lane Kiffin did what he did, because if not, everybody would be talking about him and the fact that he has a playoff team. But he hightailed it to Florida, which, you know, you gotta kinda do if you're him. You're going from Tulane to Florida. I get the whole situation. But in that type of situation, what the fuck is the point? Did he tweet that? That came from his Twitter, right?

[Billy]

Yeah, that was his thing.

[Joel Anderson]

From his Twitter. Yeah, I checked the account to make sure.

[Van Lathan]

I was like, okay, make sure that. Because what's the point of making team now think, oh, I'm half in Gainesville, and what's the point of making the people in Gainesville think, well, I'm half. And everybody know, where you at.

[Billy]

He's also doing interviews in Florida gear sometimes. Sometimes he's in Tulane gear. So he's throwing everybody off. I don't think anybody understands what's going on.

[Joel Anderson]

Did he just need. Did he need to make the two phones joke that bad? I guess is what it is.

[Billy]

And the two hours of sleep. I think he wanted some sympathy, to be like, I'm working my ass off.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I felt like he felt. He's like, maybe it's just more important for people to know I did this than to think about why I did it, you know, because I. Because I. I also kind of feel like, you know, Florida, John Sumrall was definitely one of the top prospects, but I don't think anybody is excited about John Sumrall. So you got to build a little energy around this program, and this is a way to do it. I guess I don't know if I would want to remind people that I'm out here by saying I'm doing two jobs right now, you know?

[Billy]

Yeah, it's the Kevin Gates theory there. He's got two phones and he's answering for both jobs. I did want to throw this entertaining outcome out to you guys and see if you think it is entertaining at all. What if Miami just actually went on a run and won the national championship? And if they do do this, then you have Notre Dame fans claiming it should have been us that was our national championship to go win. You also have a situation where Miami has won a national championship before they won an ACC championship. So you get like, it's a twofold situation where, like, they're going to get, you know, people coming after them because of that fact. They shouldn't have been in the field. There's going to be a lot of pushback. But again, they would be national champions. It would be kind of like what Ohio State has with Michigan last year after losing that game and still winning the title. Would that be entertaining, Joel, if that were to happen?

[Joel Anderson]

Well, it would be. It would be fun. Just because we could then have the Is the U back? Conversations over and over again. Is that the. Does this make the U back?

[Billy]

And we all say no because they haven't won the ACC yet.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, they haven't won accident yet. They've not dominated the competition. It would be 2014 all over again. And I know somebody pointed out that I do bring up this TCU season a lot, but, I mean, TCU was number three on the final week of the regular season in 2014. Beat Iowa State 55 to three. Got knocked down to number six in the final poll. They elevated Ohio State and Ohio State went and won the national championship. Cardell Jones, and you know, it should have been us. Ezekiel Elliott.

[Van Lathan]

Duke. Duke.

[Joel Anderson]

No, don't call him here.

[Billy]

What's the point of this? There he is.

[Joel Anderson]

Don't do that. Why is it.

[Van Lathan]

Can you give us your opinion on Joel continuously going back to great moments in TCU history?

[Joel Anderson]

Wait a minute. You do a whole Locked on Tigers segment.

Every episode and there's song.

[Van Lathan]

If I was doing that. Have you ever heard the name Ryan Perilous on this podcast? No, you haven't. But you've heard all the TCU greats skip along. Williker. And all of these people skip along.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm not talking about Aaron Green.

[Van Lathan]

Boy, there's so much more LSU shit I could be doing on here. I'm cognizant of that, you are bringing up TCU seasons from 2014. Duke, what the fuck? I said it was.

[Joel Anderson]

That was an analogy. It was the same scenario is what I was saying. If, if. If Tate's scenario. I was trying to give some historical precedent.

[Billy (Producer)]

He's going through something. Van. We were talking before the show also.

[Joel Anderson]

He's talking about what we talked about before the show. I'm gonna stop talking.

[Billy (Producer)]

He got bad news from his optometrist. Like, yeah, it's been a rough ride for Joe.

[Joel Anderson]

No, it has.

[Billy (Producer)]

So he's gotta. The glory days, you know, I'm gonna.

[Joel Anderson]

Stop talking before we come on air. Why you gotta say.

[Billy]

He'S gonna protest in silence before we start this?

[Joel Anderson]

I'm not doing that for material.

[Billy (Producer)]

I'm not. It's not details.

[Joel Anderson]

It's just.

[Billy (Producer)]

I'm trying to let Van in and. No, it's just been. It's a little bit of a rough patch for you, you know, like, we got to give. You keep kicking your lights off for some reason, like I told you.

[Joel Anderson]

I told you what the reason is that the wire is under here. Weird.

[Van Lathan]

By the way, since we're all here, are we going to the national championship game? Are we going to. That?

[Billy (Producer)]

We've submitted credential requests for it, so waiting to hear back on whether or not we're going to go as credentialed members of the media. I'll say this, Joel, you want to.

[Joel Anderson]

Have a staff meeting right now?

[Billy (Producer)]

Well, I put.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Billy (Producer)]

I'm wondering if you.

[Billy]

Hey, Billy, is the show coming back? Because Joel's saying otherwise.

[Joel Anderson]

You want to talk about our email? Do you want to talk about. Hey, when are we going to have a show meeting? So we could go over the. The remaining schedule for the rest of the year? It's like, okay, you submitted our credentials. Okay, whatever.

[Billy (Producer)]

Well, I put. I put you down as a working journalist. I put for everyone else, like podcast, hoes, podcast, video, podcast. I said that you needed main press box access because you are, you know, a writer, a journalist.

[Billy]

Right.

[Billy (Producer)]

It's possible that you may have to do extra work. It's also possible that we all get credentialed in, like, a secondary media thing, and you get credentialed in the main one. Or maybe we all get approved and you don't, and then we go to the game out you. Because that press box is full or something. So there's a lot of.

[Joel Anderson]

No, no, no, I'm going to get approved. I was there last year. Here. They know who I am there. I'M gonna get.

[Van Lathan]

I'm gonna get. Okay. All right.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

All right.

[Billy (Producer)]

Put in a good wood for us, Daddy.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

All right, Billy. Thanks, man.

[Billy]

Oh, I love that. I hope we're gonna be there. I hope that's. And if we're not there, we all just need to be together somewhere to do the show and react. We'll figure it out. So there you have it. Most entertaining outcomes. Are there any other outcomes that are on the board, Van, that you think would be entertaining? Maybe. Texas tech, the Big 12, giving a middle finger to the rest of the college football world. Is there anything else out there?

[Van Lathan]

Oregon.

[Billy]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Oregon.

[Billy]

They seem overdue.

[Van Lathan]

Dan Lanning getting that national championship. Dan Lanning. I said it before on a prior pod, Dan Lanning is kind of under discussed in all of this. Oregon is under discussed in all of this. You look at Mox, Dante Moore is starting to become a name that you're hearing kicked around as a top five, top ten pick in these mocks with Bill. And Bill goes, I think they should pick Dante Moore. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking. How do you know who Dante Moore is? What are you doing? Get the hell out of here.

[Joel Anderson]

You just want to show a little interest, dog.

[Van Lathan]

No, I get it. But, like, Oregon is a team that nobody is really talking about. And Dan Lanning as a coach, we all talk about how much we love Dan Landing. We all talk about what kind of great hands your program is in if Dan Lanning is your coach and the guy that's, you know, pulling the strings and pulling the trigger at your school. But there is something else to this. When is Dan Lanning going to have a team at Oregon that is expected to win a national championship or that does? Last year, obviously, they came in undefeated. Top seed. Did not get it done. Got fucking mauled is what happened right this year. They had the loss against Indiana. Indiana was kind of proved how elite they were against Oregon, you know, at Oregon. Now they're in the playoff and everybody is wondering what Oregon can do. This is an opportunity for their program to take a leap forward and become a part of the hyper elite classes. Oregon's always right there. They were right there under Chip Kelly for a while, but they just can't get over the hump. Can they get over the hump with Dan Lanning?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man. And also, I mean, this was one of the things that I was going to bring up earlier. It's tough to beat a good team twice, you know, and like we said, that's why I think Oregon probably will get Indiana because, I mean, Indiana. And this is not any way to diminish Indiana or their season because I do think that, like, they're, they're one of the teams I think could win a national championship. But again, you're saying if they, if.

[Billy]

They both make the semifinals, if they.

[Joel Anderson]

Both make the semis, right? If Oregon beats Texas Tech, and which I think they probably will, and then they get a chance to play against Indiana the second time they get a look at them, you know, they would have had a game. They would have had a game under their belt already. And that, I think that kind of helped teams kind of get in a rhythm or whatever. You know, they get back at it and they feel it. And sometimes it can take a team a little bit of. A little bit of time to get acclimated to the game environment. And if before you know it, you're down 34 to, oh, like Oregon was last year to Ohio State. So I do think that they have a real chance here and that, that's a, that's a, that's a winnable bracket for them. So this could be, I think this could be their breakthrough season.

[Billy]

I like the Oregon call. Another team I want to bring up because again, they are the number one seed, but I feel like they still aren't discussed as a number one seed, just amongst the public, because people still don't want to accept the fact that Indiana is the number one team in college football. If Indiana goes on with Kurt Signetti and wins the national championship, that is one of the most shocking events. I feel like this century in college football, even if they're expected to, even if they just won the Big Ten, I still feel like that would really break people's brains and that would be somewhat entertaining, if not somewhat expected. VAN Am I crazy to feel that way about Indiana?

[Van Lathan]

You are not crazy to feel that way. It completely resets college football if that happens. We keep talking about the fact that we're in a new era of college football, and that's what the transfer portal, that's what NIL has done. However, in this new era that we're talking about, the champions of the game have been Michigan, Ohio State. Maybe we'll throw Georgia in there, depending on how recent you want to go. So there hasn't been a shift of the college football culture at the very top of college football. If Indiana or Texas Tech were to win, we're officially here now, all of these places that are having all of this money dumped into them, like a place like Michigan State, $400 million. Like they're getting dumped into their football program, Utah and stuff like that. Utah, places like that. Now they're going to look around and go, you know what? It is new. We can do it. Proof of concept. It just happened. Now some would look at Indiana and say there's already been enough success to make that determination. I don't disagree. But if they hold the trophy, we are in a brand new era of college football for sure.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I mean, if only everybody could have curse Signetti, man. I mean. Cause I mean that's, I mean that's the clear line of demarcation there right now. People probably remember the Michael Penix year. I guess that was that 2020 when Kaylin DeBoer was his offensive coordinator. And I think they, you know, they had a good season by Indiana standards, like they were a contender. And so, yeah, I actually take the follow up on what you said here. I think it already is maybe one of the most amazing stories in college football history. Like, just think if we didn't have a playoff like in. It wasn't up until really a few years ago that we had a playoff like this, but if we just said in a vacuum, Indiana is going to go undefeated and win the Big Ten, that would be insane.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Joel Anderson]

That's insane. That is crazy. And so like. And I feel like them having to go into the playoff kind of diminishes what they've already accomplished.

Already. I think it's the best coaching turnaround in my lifetime. Like, I just. There's nothing, nothing compares to this. Indiana was literally one of the worst programs in the P4. I think if, and I actually thought if they realign in a few years and you know, merge and it's like the Big Ten and SEC schools, I thought, I don't know, does Indiana come? Like, you know what Indiana putting on.

[Billy]

It, if we do a super conference.

[Joel Anderson]

You'Re saying, yeah, if we do a super conference. What Indiana got on this, why would we share money with them? But like, this is a thing that, yeah, it can. It totally has just changed the perception of Indiana football. It'll just be hard to explain. I, I assume it'll go on for at least a few more years. But already, like, what they've accomplished is insane. Like, and I just, it's just unfortunate that like it'll be remembered by what happens in the national championship as opposed to what has already happened.

[Billy]

If it was 2014, the national championship game would be Indiana versus Ohio State. We'd get a rematch in the national championship game, which feels like it would be very unfair to Indiana after they just beat Ohio State. That's the other part about this. Like, that's how much things changed. You know what I mean?

[Van Lathan]

See? See, I could do something. I'm not going to do it. No, go ahead and do it, because it's not about. No, I'm not going to do it.

[Joel Anderson]

Is it about the playoff? Like, not.

[Van Lathan]

Like I could do something, but I'm not going to do it. Because you know what? It's not about my history with my team. That's what I don't do, Joel. That's the difference.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, okay. We don't. We don't see the connection.

[Van Lathan]

I'm not going to do. I'm not going to do it.

[Joel Anderson]

On the show.

[Van Lathan]

Yes, I could. I'm not going to do it. Let's move on. What do you say in and let's move on with the sale amicably. Y' all know what that's from?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, no, no. 40 year old virgin.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, let's move on with the sale amicably.

[Joel Anderson]

But I understood the words you were saying, though.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Billy]

Yeah, he understood the implication. Last entertaining scenario I wanted to throw out to you guys because I do think it would be fascinating. What if we get a situation where let's say Miami does beat A and M, let's say Miami gets into the semifinals, and let's say on the other side of the sidelines is the Georgia Bulldogs and Carson Beck has a revenge game against Georgia and it's Gunner Stockton versus Carson Beck. Is that entertaining? Do enough people understand the drama and the lore between those two programs and especially with just Carson Beck's involvement with both, that people would care and be fired up for that.

[Joel Anderson]

Joel, I think they should have done that for the first round game. There was a way that they could have worked that out and had them potentially play each other much earlier so we didn't miss this opportunity. Right. But you know, I think what it was. Was it that they had to flip Ole Miss. Maybe if they had flipped Ole Miss with. Because Georgia is going to play the winner of Ohio State, or.

Is that right?

[Van Lathan]

What?

[Joel Anderson]

Joe, wait.

[Van Lathan]

Joe, what are you saying?

Let me see a bracket.

[Joel Anderson]

I need to. I need to see a bracket.

[Billy]

George is going to play Ole Miss or Tulane. Yeah. So you're saying if Miami was the 11 seed and Tulane was the 10 seed is what you're saying?

[Billy (Producer)]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, right. Like we were denied an opportunity for a much earlier matchup of. Of. Of Carson Beck versus George, this would.

[Billy]

This would be under the assumption that Miami beats Texas A and M in College Station and then beats Ohio State in a neutral site.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. My. Wait. And I. I should have looked this up on FanDuel. Miami is favorite if. Am I. If I'm correct, though, right?

[Billy]

No, they're not at Texas A M.

[Van Lathan]

Against A M. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Hold on, man.

[Van Lathan]

No, no, no. No way.

[Billy]

I would assume just, just the home game is three points.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, we gotta look it up now. We gotta look it up.

[Billy]

All right.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't think it's likely, but I thought I felt like I heard something. Okay. All right.

[Van Lathan]

No, what did you hear?

[Billy]

It was misinformation.

[Joel Anderson]

I listen to nothing but college football podcast, man. Shout out.

[Billy]

Someone lied to you.

[Joel Anderson]

The pf and they didn't. I'm not. I'm not saying the PFF did.

[Billy (Producer)]

This was it from this year.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. All right. Yeah, it was this year. Okay. A M. Three and a half point favorite. Favorite.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Three points.

[Billy]

Yeah, it's a pick. It's a half point.

[Van Lathan]

Three points for home.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Yes. Half point. Yeah. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Miami could easily win that game. It was just. It would.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, they definitely could, but I did. If they were favorite, that would be.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, it would be disrespectful. It would be disrespectful.

[Billy (Producer)]

Yeah.

[Billy]

One thing. Van just texted me this and I wanted to get your thoughts on it because I do think it's fascinating. Top 25 nil college football earners.

[Van Lathan]

Just read the top 10.

[Billy]

Yeah, I'm going to read the top 10 and then we're going to get some, some thoughts on this. So number one, obviously Arch Manning, six and a half million. Number two, Carson Beck. We just talked about him. 4.2. Jeremiah Smith is at 4. Lagway 3.8. Lenora Sellers, 3.7. Nuss Meyer, 3.6. Club Nick, 3.3. Drew Aller, 3.2. Nico, 3.1. Apparently I think it was less than that though, just based on my UCLA sources. And then number 10, Sam Levitt. We'll talk about him a little bit later. So those 10 guys are the highest paid players in college football.

[Billy (Producer)]

The.

[Billy]

The players that are alive of the top 10, Carson Beck and Jeremiah Smith.

[Billy (Producer)]

Van.

[Billy]

And that's, that's kind of fascinating when you really think about it.

[Van Lathan]

It's fucking fascinating. Like they about to put some rules in on y' all motherfuckers are playing football. They. They go put some rules in. Y' all gonna get some Ricky Williams incentive based contracts if y' all don't start playing ball. Look at all that goddamn money.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man, look at.

[Van Lathan]

Look at all that goddamn money that didn't result in any type of champion. Forget about championships. Most of those teams are not even going to the Popeyes Bowl. Pop Tarts, different types of bowls. Most of those teams are fucking done paid all that goddamn money. They better do something. If all of the young men out there that are playing on the field, that are getting the nil money, y' all are playing not only for y' all money right now, but y' all playing for the future of nil. If they start burning money because players aren't putting it together on the field, something will change. They're gonna come up with some kind of structure, some kind of situation.

[Billy]

A cap.

[Van Lathan]

A cap to make it based on incentive to make it based on performance. And you guys not gonna get y' all same money. Who was the guy? Did y' all see Calzada from Kentucky?

[Joel Anderson]

Zach Calzada, formerly a Zach Calzada in Kentucky.

[Van Lathan]

People see that you not the one that's supposed to be doing the money. Phone dog.

[Billy]

This should have been a Pavia post, you know, like, if anybody was gonna do that, it should have been Pavia.

[Van Lathan]

Y' all better play ball. Y' all better. Y' all need to be getting on the phone with Lagway and them. Hey, man, I need y' all better play ball. I'm telling you, man.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean.

[Billy]

I mean, Joel Joshua Josh hoover at number 14, by the way. 2.6 million. I knew that would get your attention.

[Van Lathan]

But I feel like that's worth it.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, the thing is, like, hopefully the people that are spending money on this. And I was kind of surprised to see Troy Aikman, you know, did you see the story with Troy Aikman was like, I gave some money to ucla.

[Billy]

That was about Dante Moore.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I didn't get even get a thank you. And I'm like, bro, people thought it.

[Van Lathan]

Was about Nico for some reason. A lot of people thought it was wrong.

[Billy]

Yeah, they were. It was for Dante for sure.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, come on. And I mean, the thing is, like, I didn't know that these. The thing is, boosters give money for influence and other stuff, right? And also for like, self aggregate, you know, self promotion, self aggrandization or whatever. But I'm like, dog, you're supposed to give money to your football program in the sense that it's going to make things better. But, like, you're a football guy, like, you thought you spend money on one dude, one quarterback. And then all of a sudden it would translate into being in the Rose Bowl. Like, you, like all these people are supposed to be smarter than that. I mean, I know that they're not, but it's like, yo, like, you do have to spend money. Like, we can see a direct correlation at Texas Tech. I think their quarterback is like number 25 on that list or something.

[Billy (Producer)]

Morton.

[Billy]

Baron Morton.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, Baron Morton.

[Billy]

1.7 million.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I mean, like, sometimes there's a correlation between that stuff, sometimes it's not. But like, you being, being cheap is not going to help. And, and if the players, you know, the thing is always assume they're going to be coming for your money. They're always going to be coming. They're always going to be trying to claw back from you. Like, I mean, that's, that's going to be a fact of life until this whole system gets set up. So you're always fighting for your money. Don't ever, don't ever fall in the illusion that, yeah, the, the money stream is going to be going.

[Billy]

And to give people a little context, like these payments are paid out in allocation payments and sometimes, like, guys will put it in IRA, though. You know what I mean? There's a lot of stuff that, you know, kind of gets figured out on the back end. So it's not like they cut a check for $4 million to Carson back on the front end. He's getting paid in installments over time. Sometimes you can do it over 10 years for some of these guys. So it's not necessarily as upfront as you think. And if you play, like, they might not pay it out. I mean, you know, and they're going to be like, sue me.

[Joel Anderson]

Like, I was just thinking about, man, that could be a $4 billion, man. Like right off top. When I was 20, I was like, bro, yeah. I was like, man, I'm out of here, baby. I was like, I don't think my ankle hurt, coach. You know, I'm an ankle hurt, coach.

[Van Lathan]

Get out here and run a route. Why don't you run the route, coach? Show me how it's done. Real quick. Story about Troy Aman does. Do any of you guys remember the athlete that Troy Aikman tried to holla at in the 90s and he got super embarrassed.

[Billy]

I remember like a story about him and he, like, it was like a locker room conversation. It was an implication. And then I think, what? Skip bail? Gillis wrote a bunch of stories about it, right? If this is the story.

[Van Lathan]

No, not that.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, I was like, oh, man.

[Van Lathan]

You can't talk about that.

[Billy]

Okay, sorry. Not. Not.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Troy.

[Joel Anderson]

Troy still wanted. Troy still want to punch Skip Bayless over there?

[Van Lathan]

He tried to box Skip Bayless. Cause Skip Bayless got in his business like that.

[Joel Anderson]

Nah.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, but just think about Skip. Think about what? You think about the difference in times that Skip was in, trying to do that at that particular time. Nah, man. Nancy Kerrigan.

[Billy]

Oh, wow.

[Van Lathan]

Really? Yeah, Like, Nancy Kerrigan. I can see put Troy Aikman on blast back in the day. Basically saying that he sent her, like, a headshot and a note while she was in the Olympics or whatever. I mean, maybe after she got fucked over or whatever, or maybe even before. And then Troy had to answer questions about whether or not he shot his shot with Nancy Kerrigan back in the day. Nancy wasn't fucking with it. Nancy wasn't he. She wasn't into it. Like, Troy, y' all remember this story?

[Billy]

No, I kind of do, now that you mentioned it. I have a Nancy Kerrigan story, too. She was actually. I went to a Myrtle Beach Pelicans game when I was a kid, and we were on the elevator and we're going, she's get thrown out. The first pitch of the Pelicans game, and we were going up the elevator with my whole family. And my mom was so excited. She sees Nancy Kerrigan, she's like, oh, my gosh. You know Nancy, so great to see you. We were pulling for you. She was a total bitch. I mean, like. Like, so rude. So disgusted by the convers. Like, unbelievable. And like, you. Like, we're kids. I was like 8 years old, and I kind of knew who she was, but I didn't really know exactly. And she threw out a terrible first pitch. We celebrated. That was like. That was the first moment in time where I was like, maybe Tanya Harding has the story here, you know? And then when I. Tanya came out, I went.

[Joel Anderson]

That's all.

[Billy]

I. Shit. First weekend, I was like, I gotta see this.

[Joel Anderson]

I feel like I need. Do we have one camera all the people that taters call big this year? Because I feel like you do. You did. You have definitely. You've definitely got a category.

[Billy]

I mean, I don't call. I. You know, I don't call it unless it is what it is, but yeah. She was so rude to my mom. I'll never forgive her.

[Van Lathan]

Don't.

[Joel Anderson]

Why would you be rude to Ms. Frazier? She didn't see. You know the funny thing, because if you've all seen the documentaries about those two, neither one of Them were particularly likable. You know what I mean? Like, it's not. I would. It's not like I was like, oh, Nancy Kerrigan deserved it, or whatever, but I was like, I could kind of see how somebody might be like, man, I don't with you, you know, But I will. I will say. I will say for Troy and Troy's defense, you couldn't have made me feel bad about.

[Billy]

I'm on Troy's side. That's what I'm saying.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I tried to holler. She wasn't with it. Okay, Troy.

[Van Lathan]

Troy said he wasn't really trying to holler. He's saying that Nancy was making it up in her mind. He basically just sent a note to. Or look, I'm looking at this now. It's a. He said a telegram. He sent a telegram. He had no.

Hidden agenda is what he said. He said, like, so no hidden agenda is what he said. I don't know why you said.

[Joel Anderson]

That's kind of.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, he was trying to see what was.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, wait, this is Brian Curtis. This is a tweet. He's. He. Brian has a tweet about this.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, what did Brian say?

[Joel Anderson]

Well, it was. I think it's related to what you just read. So he said, don't get the wrong idea. It went from a telegram to a letter to a love letter to. How about dinner? So, you guys, the media have a tendency to really misconstrue things, but I will say it being sent was no intentions of being romantically involved with Nancy Kerrigan.

[Billy]

I believe, Troy.

[Van Lathan]

You have it.

[Joel Anderson]

You believe it.

[Van Lathan]

You have it. I mean, like.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, again, I mean, Nancy Kerrigan was an attractive woman.

[Billy (Producer)]

Like, what.

[Joel Anderson]

What's the.

[Billy]

She's not. Just the way she acts.

[Joel Anderson]

Why is he backing down? I don't understand why Troy's backing down.

[Van Lathan]

How many times you gonna stutter, bro?

[Joel Anderson]

What? No.

[Van Lathan]

How many times you gonna stutter when you talk about Nancy, man? Shout out Nancy Kerrigan. We're not trying to drag her back.

[Joel Anderson]

Through the blood, man.

[Billy]

No, she never thought I would have a microphone when I was 8 years old, that's for sure.

[Joel Anderson]

No, but you need to be nice. You need to be nice.

[Van Lathan]

What exactly did she say? Take. What was so bad about it?

[Billy]

I would honestly need to call my mom. My mom was the one that was so. I just remember I've never seen someone be so rude. Like, you know, in the south, people, even if they don't like you, they're like, hey, how's it going? You know, whatever they'll like, be nice, but she was just so rude off rip. And. And I just remember that moment, like kind of stuck with me and traumatized me a little bit.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Billy]

Learned about celebrities.

[Van Lathan]

I'm watching this right now. It says Nancy Kerrigan is obnoxious. There's a lot of anti Nancy Kerrigan stuff that's on the Internet that doesn't just come from Tate. It comes from all over the place. Yeah, no, she's got a reputation right now.

[Billy]

She's got a reputation, to be quite frank. Like, the Pelicans are a single A team in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. You know, like, why are you throwing out the first pitch at the Bella Gas game?

[Joel Anderson]

You know, I mean, man, but she's got a. I mean, you know, there's. I mean, how many people remember Nancy Kerrigan anymore now, man? She probably. That's the. That's the thing that I would think about being a. A celebrity like that. I'd be like, man, if you remember me in public, you know, unless I guess I was having a bad day or something, I'd be grateful. I was like, oh, yeah, man, I. You know, I. I was once in the public conscious and now it's over. But, you know, I guess everybody feels differently about it. And I guess the reason she did get famous is not necessarily because of her ice skating skills, because she got whacked into shin.

[Van Lathan]

She got a silver that year. I think.

[Joel Anderson]

She did get silver. Yeah. She got a shot. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

So she was. I mean, she was good, you know, Shout out, man. Look, you know what, Nancy? You don't owe these motherfuckers nothing. You know what I'm saying? You don't owe nobody nothing. Nancy. Let me tell you something.

[Billy]

Ben's gonna be the next one.

[Joel Anderson]

You said that to your mom? He said that to your mom? He said that to your mom.

[Van Lathan]

Nancy, you don't owe nobody no conversation. You don't owe nobody no dates. You don't owe nobody no nothing. You a single independent. She probably married like a month. Yo, she married woman. Yeah. So you know Tate, but. Tate, but we. I gotta kiss my man. You know, Tate, a guy had taste back, you know, you over taste family.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

It's left familia around here. You feel what I'm saying? A lot of familia. So you over Tate's mom. You're not good with us, but at the same time, you are.

[Billy]

Great game for the Pelicans. Raphael for calls. The starting shortstop. You know, A lot of good players. Yeah, a lot of good players. Yeah, they used to go to the Braves back then.

[Joel Anderson]

Who's the most famous person who's turned y' all down for? I guess, is it Nancy Kerrigan for you?

[Billy]

Turn me down for what?

[Joel Anderson]

Autograph.

[Billy]

I didn't ask for an autograph. She just was being mean.

I just wanted to get out of the hell.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. I never asked nobody for no like that. What about you, Joe? Who's the most famous person? Probably happened multiple times. So go.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, it's happened twice.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Joel Anderson]

Once when I was in line at the Memphis airport. Yeah, The Memphis airport. I asked Ron Isley for a picture. We were in the security checkpoint line, and he was with a very young woman. I don't know, she's probably in her late 30s, early 40s. And he's like, not right now. You know? And I was just like, when am I gonna see you again, though? You know what I'm saying?

This is the only chance I'm gonna get Ron Eisley. And then. So I don't remember his name. I think he's alive. You remember Mr. Parker in Fridays and Friday? Or the. You know, the little person from Bad Santa. We were on an elevator together at the downtown Hilton in Shreveport. And so we. I get on. I was on the floor higher than him. Now I come think of him, and so I get down. He gets on with his bodyguard. And the whole time I'm like, like, man, I should. I should ask this for Autograph Dog or a picture or something like that. Be hilarious and.

[Billy]

Be hilarious.

[Joel Anderson]

And then he. And he was like. He looked at, like, you.

[Van Lathan]

He looked, in a way, at me.

[Joel Anderson]

And his dude that, like. And his dude kind of, like, moved, you know, And I was like, oh, okay. Like, they don't. They. They're not interested in any sort of. Maybe I looked like I was thirsty.

[Van Lathan]

You know why they did that? They know that you were mocking him. Like, I was mocking. I wanted a picture hilarious about it.

[Joel Anderson]

He's a famous. So, like, what?

[Van Lathan]

Why is it so funny?

[Joel Anderson]

He's a famous.

[Van Lathan]

Because he's a little person. No, he's a famous actor.

[Joel Anderson]

He was Mr. Parker in Friday. I watched Friday every day in the summer of 95. I promise.

[Van Lathan]

You realize you just. So you just told those stories in two different ways. You go up to Ron Isley and you say, you want a picture. You don't say, it's gonna be funny. You gonna get the picture from Ron Isley. But the little person, Mr. Parker, you say, this will be hilarious. He knew that you were mocking him.

[Billy]

He thought you Were laughing at him.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, he thought you were laughing at him. You had a go at him.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, he's in on the joke. Joke. I mean, that is his career. I mean, like, his career.

[Billy]

What's the joke? He's the person that's.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, you think. No, I mean, do you think he think. I mean, his size is a joke in most of his movies. I do. I agree. I'm glad he has a career. I'm excited for him. I like Bad Santa. That was a good movie.

[Billy]

Good movie.

[Joel Anderson]

You want Bad Santa, too?

[Billy (Producer)]

You watch Friday every day in 1995.

[Joel Anderson]

I had. I had to know. I swear to God, I had a dub tape, and it has Ms. Parker. It had the numbers running down at the bottom. And I. I had Friday memorized. Yeah. My senior year.

[Billy]

Maybe we do that in the off season. We have Joel recant Friday to us.

[Van Lathan]

Duke, while you're here, have you ever asked for an autograph for somebody? It's happened twice to Joel and got turned.

[Joel Anderson]

I've asked for more autographs, but those are two. I can.

[Billy (Producer)]

How many autographs do you have?

[Billy]

Oh, that's a good question.

[Joel Anderson]

Not very many. I. I got Jerry Rice and Roger Craig's autograph at the Houston Galleria in 91.

[Billy]

That's a good one. Jerry Rice.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, but you were.

[Van Lathan]

You Scotty Pippen. You waited in line for that. That was like.

[Joel Anderson]

No, no, no, no, no. I called him outside of a store. They were. They were shopping, and I caught him outside of a store, and I had a. I had a business card, and I got them to sign a business card and whatever. Houston Oilers cornerback Steve Brown, he signed one of my kids books at the Black Eyed Peach out in Sugarland. Black Eyed Pea is a restaurant. I don't know if y'.

[Van Lathan]

All.

[Billy]

I was gonna say. I thought you were saying you're at the Black Eyed Peas concert.

[Billy (Producer)]

Let's get it started.

[Joel Anderson]

That's. Oh, do you want me to go through everybody? Okay. All right.

[Van Lathan]

In no way, shape, or form.

[Joel Anderson]

That's right. That's right. Remember some guys.

[Billy]

Billy, do you have any autographs?

[Billy (Producer)]

I don't ask a ton of people for autographs. I think I. I'm trying to remember the story. So my parents had one, like, random player. There was, like, not a good player that was kind of like an asshole. And they. They were turned down on this autograph, like, with us that were trying to get us for kids. And the guy ended up being, like, some scrub. He didn't end up having, like, a good career at all. And they're like, don't ever grow up to be this person. Because, like, at one point in time, someone wanted their autograph, and they turn you down, and we can't even remember the name of the person. But I'm trying to remember. There's a story where I was, like, walking around a Marlins game, I think, and I was, like, in the concourse and. And ran into Amari Stoudemire. And it's not like I'm trying to remember exactly what happened, because I don't think I would ask Amari Stoudemire for his autograph or to take a picture with him, because what would I do with that picture? You know what I mean? So I think I just said, like, oh, Amari, like, what's up? Or something like that. He's like, not now. And I'm like, not. Not now.

[Billy]

Not now.

[Billy (Producer)]

What? What are we talking about? Because it's like, camp days.

[Billy]

No pleasantries, please, like, with his kids.

[Billy (Producer)]

Or something, I think, because it's like, can't they. It's like, not right now. And I'm like. Like, I remember just being taken back. I'm like, what?

[Billy]

Like, I don't want anything.

[Billy (Producer)]

Just saying, what's up?

[Billy]

Wow.

[Billy (Producer)]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Damn.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Billy (Producer)]

They don't say what's up? Till mar.

[Billy]

Sounds like a snub to me.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, you know who took a picture with me? And it. Was it probably the same kind of theme as Mr. Parker? Bobin. I took a picture with Bobin outside of Houston.

[Billy (Producer)]

Why is that the same theme?

[Joel Anderson]

The 74.

[Billy]

Oh, Bon.

[Billy (Producer)]

Why you have a giant and a.

[Billy]

Little person in the same.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, man.

Okay, Cristobal. Okay.

This is. I try to share with you. I try to share with y', all, and this is what it ends up at. Let's go. What's the next segment? Bye. See you, Billy. Catch up with you later, bro.

[Billy]

Yeah. Good breakdown. Nancy Kerrigan. I like that little side tangent there. Apologies to her if she did not want to be called the B word. I was a little harsh, but, you know, you're rude to my mom. You get the heat.

[Van Lathan]

No, man.

[Joel Anderson]

You don't got to apologize.

[Van Lathan]

Tate, why are you. Why are you walking?

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, I mean, you know, what happened is that I made it uncomfortable. Uncomfortable. That's what happened.

[Billy (Producer)]

Why?

[Joel Anderson]

I'm sorry.

[Billy]

What happened?

[Van Lathan]

You made.

[Billy]

You made Nancy Carrie.

[Joel Anderson]

Did I make it uncomfortable? No, I made. I made. I felt like, you know, by talking.

[Van Lathan]

About how, you know, she got what she deserved.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Van Lathan]

In the Olympics. But I'm not talking.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, what you did to Mrs. Frazier, man.

[Van Lathan]

We don't play about Mrs. Frazier. We just got back in her good graces.

[Billy (Producer)]

Yep.

[Van Lathan]

We do not play about Mrs. Frazier on this show in any way, shape or form.

[Billy]

She's listening. Overreaction of the week. This is outside of the cfp, but this is Kenny Dillingham, who is not afraid of a microphone. He' not afraid of an interview, and he's not afraid of a quote card. Here's what he said. He's talking about the state of college football, which it's a kind of an off season topic happening for a lot of these guys, even though we're still in season. But he said, we've created a mess. The whole industry is a mess. The only thing that's not a mess is the dollar signs kind of piggybacking off the nil thing. We just broke down. Joel, you seem very fired up about Dillingham and some of his comments. What are your thoughts on this?

[Joel Anderson]

I'm just fucking sick of that. Like, I'm just tired of it. Like, where were you kidding, Dillingham? You and your mentors and your colleagues had a very powerful, valuable platform from the very beginning when people were telling you that people were denying college football players payment for their services and that, like, some people thought it rose to the level of a civil rights violation. And you guys didn't take it seriously. When people were like, hey, man, when a player wants to transfer, maybe you shouldn't put things into the contract like camp transfer to any state within 500 miles of this campus or something like that, they were like, that's not a good use of your power. You shouldn't do it. And so you didn't. You guys didn't want to take any action. And then, like, when people finally started being able to get the nil stuff or whatever, and that now that they're no longer they have freedom of movement, they can know they're no longer subject to the whims of coaches and administrators. Like, you guys had plenty of time to get your arms around this. You never did. You kept kicking it down the road, you know, kicking that ball down the road. And so here we are now, the coat, the courts and everybody else have stepped in to say the way you guys were treating the help was fucked up for a long time. And so we're gonna undo all of this. You guys can figure out how to put it back together again, but we're gonna undo all of this until you can get on the same page, do something Again. And so it's your fault, Kenny Dillingham, and it's your. It's Nick Saban's fault. It's Dabo Swinney's fault. All the guys that reaped all the rewards, made all those millions on the back of all those players for decades, Decades. It didn't say a word, didn't say where. It did not go to bed for those kids. And now that somebody stepped in and was like, no, man, you got to kind of play these kids, man. You got to pay them. They're generating a lot of money. And now y' all mad, you know, after you abuse your power for so long. So make it the on Kenny Dillingham.

[Van Lathan]

Kenny didn't kill you, Dilly. Kenny Dillingham makes $5.8 million, plus bonuses. His salary gets up to about $7.4.

[Billy]

Million more than Arch.

[Van Lathan]

Call to. Call the plays and shut the fuck up.

[Billy (Producer)]

Up.

[Van Lathan]

Call the plays and shut the up. Go get the kids. Shut the up.

[Billy]

Should we make T shirts and say, call the plays on the front and the back says shut the fuck up?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Like, dude, you're making $7.4 million a year. You're in the football industry. Call the plays.

[Joel Anderson]

Shut up, bro.

[Van Lathan]

Go meet the kids. Shut up. Let the bean counters deal with the beans. You do what they paying you $7 million to do, which is to go do a sport. All right? So I'm sick of this shit. Like, yeah, the money is flowing. Y' all making an incredible amount of money. It's a bunch of people out here struggling. You're making an incredible amount of money. Yeah, the money is flowing. It's supposed to be flowing. If you want to talk about integrity of the game, all of that stuff, get your guys together and go make a power play like Joel said. But other than that, call the plays. Sit the down, man. We're not trying to hear that, dumbass.

[Billy (Producer)]

Yeah, man.

[Joel Anderson]

Like, yeah, if you don't. If you. If you don't like the job, give it up. Go coach high school football, bro. It's much easier. It's pure. It's pure. Yeah, it's pure.

[Van Lathan]

That's pure. It's pure.

[Joel Anderson]

You can really make an impact on kids lives.

[Van Lathan]

That's what. You know who did that? That's what Coach Pete Bell did. There was a coach named Pete Bell, and he coached at a school called Western University. And Pete Bell did not like the fact that there was too much money flowing illegally into college basketball. So Pete Bell at first thought that he could be a Part of it, he went and got a kid named Neon Bodeaux out of Louisiana, and then he went and got another silky smooth guard out of Chicago and a kid named Ricky Rowe out of Indiana. He had a great season. He beat the number one team in the country. He's playing great. But he couldn't do it. He beat Indiana.

[Billy]

Bobby Hurley playing for Indiana in that movie, by the way.

[Van Lathan]

Yo. Well, it was actually. Bobby Hurley was playing for Indiana.

[Billy]

Crazy.

[Van Lathan]

You're right. So he beat the great Indiana Hoosiers. But you know what? Coach Pete Bell couldn't deal with it. He could not deal with all of the money and how nasty and dirty it became. So he left that job at Western University. He started coaching young kids after he left the press conference. And then you know what he did? He went and coached at a middle school. Do it the Pete Bell way. For all of you guys out there that don't want to do this no more, you sick of it? Follow the example of Coach Pete Bell. He did it. You can do it, too.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Billy]

And we're kind of in the happy era of college sports. You know, obviously, Tony, you gave away.

[Joel Anderson]

The purest thing you had.

[Billy (Producer)]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Just once.

Just once, Coach, I would do that to Tony. Did you. Did you. Did you cheat? I did do. Sony. Did you cheat Just once? We won the game, didn't we?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Oh, man, that. And that didn't the scene shift. Shift from there. Right. When he says that.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, he goes to talk to Happy. Happy told him, get the out of my face. Happy is the realest dude in the happy one Happy. One Happy told Pete, get out of my face. Put your finger in my face. What are you talking to? Rest in peace. J.T.

[Billy]

Walsh.

[Joel Anderson]

Man.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, man.

[Joel Anderson]

I was gonna say, man, he died in 1998.

[Billy]

Crazy.

[Van Lathan]

That's a long time ago.

[Billy]

He's a great actor.

[Joel Anderson]

Four years old.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. You was out asking for autographs when you missed the. That one.

[Joel Anderson]

Damn. He died of a heart attack, man.

[Billy]

That's crazy.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Great.

[Billy]

Bob Koozie also graded that movie. Just a. Just a hilarious cameo. George Raveling in that movie.

[Joel Anderson]

George Raveling was going crazy.

[Billy (Producer)]

Yeah. Love it.

[Billy]

Yeah. Good one. Go watch Blue Chips if you haven't seen it. Also, the program is another movie, kind of in the same vein.

[Joel Anderson]

I was talking about that James Con passed away. He did.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, that's right. That's right. That's right. Right. That's right.

[Billy]

Two minutes.

[Joel Anderson]

They totally ignore it. Tailgater. They totally ignored my suggestion. I was like, man, maybe we should like, like do like a rewatchables on the program in the off season or something. Nobody said nothing to me on the text, so, you know, whatever. It's fine.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, got.

[Joel Anderson]

Y' all have an off.

[Billy (Producer)]

The offseason hasn't happened yet.

[Billy]

Also, we have the plan.

[Joel Anderson]

You gotta get people stuff to look forward to.

[Van Lathan]

Dog, Dog, you told me the show's.

[Billy (Producer)]

Not going to exist anymore.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, I'm telling them that they got to talk it up. They got to do things and subscribe and do all the stuff that they need to do. I didn't say that it was going away, but I said it would help.

[Billy]

You sound like Kenny Dillingham putting the problem on the fans.

[Van Lathan]

Can I just.

[Billy (Producer)]

Can I. Can I invite the fans? Because we've seen this the past couple weeks for whatever reason, where we put out a clip that has something to do with college sports and then the fans of said team or said player get in there and they start. Start arguing with each other and attacking each other on things that have absolutely nothing to do with our show or with what the post is about. I would. I would like to invite more fans to do that. So, like, if you have family members, friends, whatever, hash things out with. Feel free to do it in our comments. Send them a clip, try to pick fights with your family or friends, whatever, and have that stuff play out publicly in our comments. Like, we love that stuff.

[Billy]

Air your grievances.

[Billy (Producer)]

Exactly right. Like, you have something here about Fernando Mendoza, but you're, you know, worried about an uncle who brought like a new bride to be to Thanksgiving or whatever. Like, hash that out in our comments section. We love it.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man. Well, I think a Pavio relative was in our mentions one time then. That's like, sometimes I see NFL player Spencer Pacinger. He. He was in our.

[Van Lathan]

Man, that's my guy. Yeah, man.

[Joel Anderson]

He was in our mentions one time, arguing with somebody.

[Van Lathan]

You know, TJ Ladd used to love college football. Yeah, yeah.

[Billy]

A lot of guys in the mentions, but I think it's a good, good message.

[Billy (Producer)]

Our comment section in the live chat, arguing with the fans while we're on the.

[Joel Anderson]

I like, I like the interaction, man. That's how you build, you know, you build audience, you know, important to you.

[Billy (Producer)]

You know, at one time, Van Joel was ranked our number two fan on the show. In the YouTube comments, how much he.

[Billy]

Was on the show, but he was.

[Billy (Producer)]

Commenting so much that he was ranked.

[Van Lathan]

Number two fan.

Not even.

[Billy]

And he was talking to the number one fan.

[Joel Anderson]

They were like, that's how you Generate. That's how you generate a following, you know?

[Billy (Producer)]

Or you. Or you shoo them away because you're insulting them all.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, well, your feedback, man. You gotta talk to people. I'm. There's nothing. There's no. There's nobody beneath me to talk to, man. I'm. I'm a man. Other people.

[Billy]

You're no Nancy Kerrigan. Yeah.

[Billy (Producer)]

Yeah. You're no Tony Cox.

[Joel Anderson]

Tony Cox, man. Tony Cox.

[Billy]

Oh, I love it. Yeah, I love it. Let's take a quick break. When we come back, we're gonna make the case. We're gonna do our own version of Final Verdict. We're gonna do a Heisman edition. We got four finalists. We'll talk them all through. I know where Joel stands a little bit. But we're gonna try to make the case for who should actually win the Heisman Trophy. We'll be right back after the break. This episode is brought to you by Spectrum Business. Without Internet, you wouldn't be able to.

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[Billy]

All right. Welcome back to Ringer Tailgate. As we were in the midst of our break, we got breaking news that Michigan has fired head coach Sharon Moore. That is official, that is real, and we are live right now in real time, reacting to that news story, Joel, you have sent the warning to a lot of different coaches this year that they will fire your ass. I think Sherelle Moore got one of those a couple of weeks ago, but it's a real. It's real.

[Joel Anderson]

They fired his black ass. Let me read to your tweet here from Nicole Arbach. She works at NBC Sports.

[Billy]

Shout out to Nicole. Yeah, she's great.

[Joel Anderson]

Michigan announces that Sharon Moore has been fired for cause and school found, quote, credible evidence was found that Coach Moore engaged in an inappropriate relationship with the staff member. Period, end of quote.

Man. Okay, they fired him because they wanted to. They fired him because they wanted to. I mean, that is bad. I don't know what the details are this case, obviously, who knows? But I feel like.

Is that a reason a coach gets fired?

[Billy]

Typically, there was a lot of smoke from Michigan, people saying that there was some nefarious activities happening behind the scenes, and maybe that was a reason and rationale behind and, you know, them moving forward. But this is shocking, right? Van?

[Van Lathan]

What. What are these? Okay, let's not bullshit around it. Yeah, we had all heard rumblings and I guess talk about something, but we've heard that about a lot of coaches.

[Billy]

That's true.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, right. They say it all the time.

[Billy]

Yeah, there's always rumors.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I've heard that about some coaches.

Specifically.

[Billy]

Stay in your lane.

[Van Lathan]

But those coaches don't seem to be about to be fired. And I'm not saying that anything here is unfair. I am just interested to see what the specificity of this is. Is this a work thing? Is this a student thing? Is this, like, what is the deal here? What details do we have other than an unnamed person that he was in a relationship with and, and, and, and, and, and. If Michigan's in the playoff, do either of you guys think that they fire their coach right now?

[Joel Anderson]

I don't know. Yeah, don't. I think schools try to draw these things out as long as they can if it's somebody they actually want to keep.

[Billy]

Right.

[Joel Anderson]

Um, and I think that there was just enough scuttlebutt around Sharon Moore. Just. Just enough disappointment that they were looking for an opportunity. But if he was. If he was a coach that was good enough to have got this team into the playoffs, I just don't think that they would be. They would be so willing to disrupt it. They'd be like, well, we have a long process. We're going to be go. You know, there'll be an investigation and we'll report back to it in the off season, but trust me, we take these allegations very seriously. That kind of shit.

[Billy]

And there was also an expectation when Harbaugh left that they thought that there might be some, you know, retaliate.

Retaliation, I guess should be the best way to put it from the NCAA with all the Connor Stallion stuff. And they thought that maybe he would be the fall guy. And obviously that stuff came back and it was a lot lighter than they expected. So maybe, you know, they already had a plan to kind of get rid of him in place at some level. But, yeah, I don't, I don't even know what they do coaching wise. I mean, who's, who's in the open market that they can go after.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, wait a second, wait a second. I got a guarantee for you right now.

[Billy]

Now.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, so you did say staff hire somebody in the staff, so we'll have to see who that person is in the staff. A lot of these other people I was talking about apparently wasn't fucking around with anybody in the staff, or at least that wasn't the thing. This is going to be a splash hire. They know who they want. Without a doubt. This I, I promise you, man, I will be so surprised if this wasn't a splash hire. I will be so surprised if you didn't see a big name or somebody that was really coveted made their way to Ann Arbor.

[Joel Anderson]

You think they got somebody in mind already?

[Van Lathan]

I do, yeah. Maybe it's someone that comes from the NFL ranks. Maybe it's someone that we don't realize is unhappy at their current spot. Maybe it's somebody that's coaching in the playoffs right now.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm thinking about somebody right now.

[Van Lathan]

Maybe somebody coaching in the playoff right now. Like right now. There could be somebody that they will want, but there is. I would be so shocked with everything that happened at Michigan, everything that's gone on at Michigan, with where Michigan was right now, with where Michigan football is, with where the infrastructure is. I will be so shocked, legitimately shocked, if they fired him and they're just going to start a regular cookie cutter, paint by numbers coaching search. That's not going to happen. They know who they want. They've talked to the person that they want and they knew that that person was in when they fired Sharon Moore. Almost certain about it. I would be very surprised.

[Joel Anderson]

Or, or, or they could kind of do what Stanford did this year. They could do the, you know, the interim.

[Billy]

Wink Martindale is the interim coach for a year. For a year.

[Joel Anderson]

That gives them a year, you know, to get through this and then figure out, you know, if there's something better. But yeah, you think it's going to be a splash hire, but I mean.

[Van Lathan]

I think it's going to be a splash.

[Billy]

Would Van. Would Jed Fish be a splash hire?

[Van Lathan]

It would kind of be a splash hire, kind of.

[Billy]

That's a name I would suspect.

[Joel Anderson]

They go, I was thinking Kaylin DeBoer, weren't y'?

[Van Lathan]

All. I mean, Kaylin DeBoer is the name that I would be thinking.

[Joel Anderson]

That's the name that I just came to mind. I was like, he's kind of, you know, that's his part of the country.

You know, and yeah, I mean, he's got. There's a fire under his ass down there in Alabama, even if it's not a hot seat.

[Van Lathan]

We're recording these in the playoffs. But I get. But you're not wrong. We're recording this right now. We don't have very much information other than these tweets and the actual headlines, but I guess, you know, we had seen and this is what I always wonder. Okay, so. Okay, so there have been coaches that have been fired. You know, let's just talk about it honestly and openly. I'll say the name, man. Coach that was fired from Ole Miss. He took the job at lsu and after he took that job, there was a lot of information that people were spreading around that they say allegedly, maybe, perhaps was coming from various coeds. I don't know that to be true.

[Joel Anderson]

True.

[Van Lathan]

I'm not sure that that actually happened. And I have no evidence to actually undergird any claims made against the coach of the. It's not something that I can speak on or something that I know about, but it was out there and it was being put out there by, let's just face it, disgruntled fans of the Ole Miss University Rebels. A name that has lived in infamy as something that hearkens back to the time of the Jim Crow era South and to the Civil War. You might ask yourself, why don't they change that name? I don't know. No one knows. But, you know, they put this out there about this coach in order to besmirch his name, but it went someplace and it kind of died on the vine there. The exact same thing has been happening since Sharon Moore led a less than inspired Michigan Wolverines team against Ohio State. They threw the ball, maybe negative three times they did it. They threw it backwards, actually threw the ball to the student section. They didn't even try to mount an offense. And a lot of people got Sick of it. It. And they were like, let's get this motherfucker out of here. And it seems to me that there was a coordinated effort, a deliberate and coordinated effort over the past couple of weeks or whatever by parts of the fan base maybe coming from somewhere else to put this case on the radar of the uppers at Michigan and get your own more fired. It seems like the Wolverines fan base did their head coach. It definitely seems like that to me. And I'm being 100% serious.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, it is true. I mean, the thing is, after that game, and I have a buddy, he's a Michigan fan and wrote a book, a great book about coaching that involves some of the Michigan years. Ben Mathis Lilly. And he talked about like, I'm always like, yo, Ben, how you feel about your coach, dog? Like, what are the fans saying? And it was like, ah, you know, there's some stuff going around, but I think people are reasonable and so on and so forth. And I was just like, I don't know, man. It just kind of felt like there was a. There was a lot of dissatisfaction and I was in that. That rumor was enough to be like, that's the kind of thing when something is going to go really poorly, right? Like when they get that kind of rumor in the middle and they can kind of use that around you and that kind of talk is around you.

[Billy]

And it spreads quickly, right? I mean, the fact that you got message board people talking about it, you got random fans talking, I mean, it happened. Happens quick, right? Man.

[Joel Anderson]

Bro.

[Van Lathan]

It does happen quick. And we should say that, like, while there were a lot of Michigan fans that were doing that, there were a ton of Ohio State fans that were doing it, of Michigan State fans that were doing it. It caught on like, wow, so what.

[Billy]

Happens in a rivalry?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, right. But like, it. To me, it doesn't seem like Michigan.

[Joel Anderson]

Why would Ohio State want Sharon Moore fired?

[Van Lathan]

Well, he's. He was two and. Oh. Against them.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, one and. Well, now he's two and one.

[Van Lathan]

Two and one.

[Joel Anderson]

Two.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I don't. I. I would have. If I were Ohio State fan, I'd prefer them have Sharon more than whoever this splash hire might end up being. But. But see, see. See what happens, Sharon, man, I don't want to do you like this because this is a difficult time. And I would. You know, it's like when you don't do it, Joe, when you get to taste. Taste the sweet nectar, man, of wealth and prominence and everything else and you flying high, man. Sometimes I thought.

[Van Lathan]

I thought you was gonna say the sweet nectar of white women.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah.

Well, I mean, I'm just like, so, bro, when they gave you a chance, man, you could have said something about Jalen Milroe and. Cause he was just like, I just, you know, when they asked me to change positions, it may. And the thing is, Bilbo Bryant maybe. Maybe could have been right. I don't know what Jayla Milro's future is going to be, but it is part. Billbo Bryant, Bill o' Brien when he was there. Bill o', Brien, Bill o' Brien when he was offensive coordinator in Alabama. And Jayla Milro made it be known that when Bill o' Brien was there that he want. He said that Jayla Milroe should change positions. They asked Jerome Moore about it, and Jerome Moore said he kind of just brushed off the question and was like, well, I'm proud of my white wife. Like, I don't know how at which point it got into there, but he. He had to bring that up to something that was.

[Van Lathan]

And I was like, bro, oh, my.

[Joel Anderson]

God, bro, I told you, bro. I was like, hey, man, they'll fire your black ass, dog. Like you thought. You thought. Think you're above this? That you think you're above, like, what can happen to you. And, like, obviously you played a role in your own demise here, but maybe.

[Van Lathan]

We don't know this. These are all allegations, investigation. He got fired. But we don't.

[Billy]

With cause.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, with cause.

[Van Lathan]

I'm assuming that they have. There could be lawsuits and there could be all of this stuff. I don't want to ever get in this situation where I'm assuming that everything that they're saying is true.

[Joel Anderson]

But that's a fair point. That's a fair point. But, yeah, that's a fair point. Point. But even then, it's just like the environment around you, bro. Like, you are not protected from this stuff, man. And I just. I. Sometimes when I see brothers have an opportunity to be real, and he did. He passed up on his opportunity to be real. And now I came back on you. And let's see, you know, if people. Not very many people are even gonna bring up this part of it for you, dog. You know what I'm saying? Like, nobody else is going to be out there saying, well, it's kind of unusual for them to fire a guy under these circumstances, such so on and so forth. Usually a school or institution, they stand behind somebody that they want to keep, or they drag it out a little bit. They don't Just fire them immediately. So, anyway, good luck to you, brother.

[Billy]

Yeah, that's like Joel's, what's up, Doc? They'll fire. They'll fire your ass.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, they'll fire your black ass, man. They'll fire your black ass.

[Van Lathan]

Look, Biff Poggy has been poja.

[Billy]

Bip foji.

He wears the cutoff sleeves like Belichick.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, yeah, I've seen him. Like, I like big Biff. Big guy, you know?

[Billy]

Like, Biff's a tough name, but, yeah, he does a good job.

[Van Lathan]

Biff is tough. You led Hill Valley into disrepair.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

You try to kill Marty, Biff, you think about Back to the Future. Biff was going to murder Marty. Biff killed Marty's father. Biff goes like, you guys.

[Billy]

That is real.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Billy]

It's crazy.

[Van Lathan]

Think about this. From Back to the Future. Think about it. Biff Tannen goes from being in Back to the future. 1a asshole, the school jerk, a bully in the same. In the second one, he's a megalomaniac killer. He's a murderer. He kills Marty's dad. He was gonna kill Marty. He's a. He becomes a murderer in the second movie. It's funny.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, don't you think. I mean, if you're rich, if you're really, really rich and you want. Don't you think, like a lot of rich people, they think often to themselves, I could just have that person killed.

[Van Lathan]

Damn.

[Joel Anderson]

You don't think they think that?

[Billy]

We're not talking about the Diddy, Doc. Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

You know what I'm saying? I know rich people. Like I was. You know, I know people that really got a lot of money. And let me just say this. I hope they don't think like that.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. They just. Like, this person is a problem for me. How can I. How can I handle this problem? I'm a rich person. What's a good way to get somebody to stop fucking with me?

[Billy]

I think wealthy people maybe think like that. Rich people, you know, I think powerful.

[Van Lathan]

People, like political people and stuff like that. Because, you know, house of cards. I can think of some people that recently, they ain't trying to have nobody killed. Somebody fucked over them. They rich. I know them. So, like, it's like, I don't know if. I don't know. I don't know.

[Joel Anderson]

You have to admit that. That. That it's a possibility.

[Van Lathan]

I. I have to admit that it's a possibility.

[Joel Anderson]

Possibility.

[Billy]

That's a fair point. Let's turn the page to the Heisman ceremony, which will be on Saturday night in New York City and we got four finalists here. We got Fernando Mendoza, AKA Heisman Doza, Diego Pavia at Vanderbilt, Jeremiah Love at Notre Dame, Julian Sayan at Ohio State. So there used to be this segment on college football final back before it was college or before it was college football?

[Van Lathan]

Before we get to that.

[Billy]

Yeah, please, can we, can we can.

[Van Lathan]

Before we get to that, real quick, before we get into that, can we add one more thing to the, to the Sharrone?

[Billy]

Yeah, of course. You got some more, you got some more thoughts?

[Van Lathan]

Do they lose anyone?

[Billy]

Yeah, their quarterback?

[Joel Anderson]

Man, I don't know. Do you think, See, this is, this would be an interesting question. Do you think they made this decision without telling, without giving them a heads up on this or talking about it?

[Van Lathan]

See, I wonder, right? Because the.

[Billy]

Then it was a decision though, like.

[Joel Anderson]

If this Underwood for people who are catching up.

[Billy]

But if this is what they're saying, which is for calls, that means they uncovered something that wouldn't be a decision. So they couldn't have given him a heads up. But if it's, if it's a decision based on the uncovering, then maybe they did.

[Van Lathan]

But yeah, so $12 million, $12 million that had to come from Larry Ellison and you know, whomever else chipped in to.

To front that cash and to.

[Billy]

Get the cash and once again, over four years, right? So it's 3 million a year.

[Van Lathan]

He doesn't have all $12 million right now, like you said, over four years. But that's a hell of a commitment. Like, you believe that the future of your football program is on the right arm of this young man. You don't want to lose him unless you've seen enough.

Unless you've seen enough and you don't quite feel like that the money that you spent is worth it and you don't care if he transfers, right? Because think about this. For a long time, the hesitation on firing a Billy Napier was the fact that if you fire Billy Napier, DJ Lagway might leave with Billy Napier, right. I hate to say it like this, but it got to a point where, to where the Florida fans were like, fuck all that, let him go. And if he follows him, cool, because we don't see Tim Tebow or even Danny Warfall out on that field.

[Billy]

So because we didn't see Jesse Palmer.

[Van Lathan]

We didn't see Jesse Palmer, we didn't see Graham Ertz, to be honest with you, at times out on that field. Right? So I guess they were looking at that comparison.

[Joel Anderson]

Come on.

[Van Lathan]

Mercer is a good Leader Lagway played pretty bad. I'm not trying to diss Dzek Lagway. I think he has a ton of talent. Right. But what I'm saying is that in a situation like this, with the number one recruit in the country that you've already committed $12 million to, do you make this situation if A, you think he's going to transfer, or do you make this situation B, kind of hoping that he does. Which one is it?

[Joel Anderson]

That's a. That's a good question. I mean, so Bryson.

[Billy]

I think it's a win.

[Van Lathan]

Win.

[Billy]

Either way. In their mind, they're like, if he's off the books, then we just reset everything. But if he stays, that makes Michigan look strong because they're like, it doesn't matter who coaches here. He's a Michigan man. They do the hell to the victors. They do the whole thing.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, the thing is, we waited all year for, like, Bryce Underwood, and he had a decent. A very good season for a true freshman. Right. But you kind of wanted to see a little bit more. He threw nine touchdown passes us this season, man. Nine. I mean, that's. That's not great. He didn't quite become what everybody thought that he was going to become. And it's. Again, is that. Is that him being a freshman? Is that him not having a great set of receivers? We don't know. But, yeah, I. When you bring up the DJ Lagway piece of it, yeah, you're right. I think they probably are like, we'd love to keep him, but if he leaves, we'll be all right.

[Van Lathan]

I don't know, man. I don't know, man. It's a very, very interesting one. I just wanted to. To put that little piece in there. You feel me?

[Billy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good call.

[Joel Anderson]

And my dude, BML sent me a tweet that I sent him on December 1st that is an outrageous accusation. But the ends with, he violated the morality clause in his contract. Ward needs to be making calls and finding. Finding a replacement asap. This is a tweet from somebody named Antwane Underscore. Underscore king on December 1st.

[Van Lathan]

So we just need to learn more. We need to know more. Well, shit, it looks like somebody was learning more, but we need to. We need to.

[Billy]

Nice.

[Van Lathan]

We need additional information about everything that's going on. How close this person was, what the nature of it was, and why this was so egregious.

[Joel Anderson]

It's so hard not to fuck people, man. It really is. I mean, it just really. It's just the thing that in life, I mean, just so many people have just destroyed their life because they cannot fuck people, man. It's crazy.

[Billy]

Bobby Petrino.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah. Bobby Petrino.

[Van Lathan]

Bobby Petrino. Another black Michigan coach. Mel Tucker.

[Joel Anderson]

I was just gonna say Mel Tucker. IME Odoka.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. I don't know if Male Tocca was from ime. Adoka landed on top.

[Billy]

Ime said, yeah, he got a. He was all right.

[Van Lathan]

You know what? IME said, you know, I'm a.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, I'm a.

[Billy]

Oh, God. Oh, man, that's real. Let's flip to the Heisman. We can quickly hit this. We don't have to do a whole thing again. We got four finalists here. We're gonna make the case for the Heisman Trophy. Fernando Mendoza, Indiana. Diego Pavia, Vanderbilt. Jeremiah Love. Notre Dame. Julian say. And Ohio State. Joel, I'll go to you first because you seem the most impassioned about the Heisman Trophy winner. Just based on our conversations, our short conversations, can you make the case for your guy to win the Heisman?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I'm just going to. I'm not. I'm going to do. I'm not going to say his name at first. This guy. Second in FBS and total offense per game. Fourth in passing efficiency, eighth in completion percentage, ninth, tied for ninth. And passing touchdowns, 13th in passing yards per game, 14th and passing yards total, third in yards per pass attempt, second in points responsible for per game. He was also eighth in the SEC in rushing yards. Like basically a stat line similar to Nate Frazier. He was the. He was the centerpiece of the eighth best scoring offense in fbs. A point more than Oregon. Who am I talking about here? Diego Pavia, man.

[Billy]

Your boy.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man, he. That, that, that is a hell of a season. And I know that like it was a great season. You had a great season, man. And I know that the Heisman is not a career achievement award.

[Billy (Producer)]

It.

[Joel Anderson]

But the dude has been behind a couple of the most improbable turnarounds in the history of college football, okay? He's the quarterback that has won 10 games. He. He helped New Mexico State win 10 games for the first time in school history. He helped Vanderbilt win 10 games for the first time in school history. He took the New Mexico Military Institute to its first ever junior college national champion. He's a winner. He's got the stats. Vandy might never be this good again, bro. And in a year where there's not really an overwhelming favorite. If you say that Fernando Mendoza is your guy. Can't really argue with you. But I really got to hit this hard on Diego Pavia because I know people have been talking about he's 24 years old, he's 23 years old. You know who else was 23 years old when they won the Heisman? Joe Burrow. Okay, so he's not that old. I'd like to see him win it. I know he's annoying, but we shouldn't let that get in the way of him winning the trophy that should be rightfully his.

[Billy]

And Clark Lee, they've done a good job with like just the way they handled not making the playoff and everything. I feel like Vanderbilt has kind of been the perfect, you know, textbook way to respond to that whole situation and the way they handled. Handled Pavia's Heisman campaign has been great. So I like that. No, Van, what about you making the case who should win the Heisman?

[Van Lathan]

Fernando Mendoza should win the Heismanoza has had big high leverage moments. Some in games where he played really well, some in games where he didn't play really well. He's got a great statistical line, but he has also been the quarterback for a team that has met every single test put in front of them. And what he has need to deliver, he has delivered. He has been in this year. Since you don't have a statistical outlier for the Heisman. To me, I want to go for the best guy on the best team and that is, that is Fernando Mendoza and he is the heart and soul of his team. If you're not going to give the Heisman for this overwhelming offensive statistical force, then you got to give the Heisman to the per. To me, the most meaningful player in college football and that is Fernando Mendoza. Joel tried to trigger me. I won't be triggered by Joel, okay? Diego Pavia put together a great season. I don't think anybody in their heart of hearts believes that Diego Pavia should win a hydraulic trophy. I don't think so.

[Joel Anderson]

No, no, I do, I do. I mean, because look, man, what do you think Vanderbilt is without Diego Pavia? I know that. I don't know how much like value is a part of your, you know.

[Billy]

They got the number one quarterback coming in.

[Joel Anderson]

But yeah, I mean, how, you know, what do you, what do you think about that? Because I mean, I just. We're going to find out how good Vandy is after he's gone. But like, we've never talked about Vandy like this. Even when James Franklin and was doing things that hadn't been Done there before. You know, again, I think Fernando Mendoza will be a fine Heisman winner. But, you know, I'm struck by Diego's story. Like, he's a one of a kind player. And the thing is, even if he don't win the Heisman, he's gonna go into the College Football hall of Fame.

[Van Lathan]

He definitely is. Yeah, he deserves it. He's played for 17 years, so he's been productive wherever he's played.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, the same age as Joe Burrow, man. The same age as Joe Burrow's.

[Van Lathan]

My question for this is, when he goes to the College Football hall of Fame, which jersey is he going to put up there before? Oh, it's got to be Van.

[Joel Anderson]

It's got to be Van. Okay. It's got to be Vandy. That's fine. I mean, I mean, would you, Joe. I mean, did he have his Ohio State jersey alongside his LSU jersey?

[Van Lathan]

Well, he never really played there.

[Joel Anderson]

That's the problem. So, yeah, he wasn't a winner. He wasn't a winner like my dude. You know what I'm saying?

[Van Lathan]

No, no, he definitely wasn't a winner.

[Joel Anderson]

He wasn't a winner. I said he wasn't a winner like my guy.

[Van Lathan]

Wait, no, no, wait. You're right about that. Hold on, lsu. No, no, I just want to leave it. I want to leave it where you.

[Joel Anderson]

You're right.

[Van Lathan]

Diego Pavia definitely hasn't won on the level that Joe Burrow has. Clip it. Put it out. You, like, like, like, go ahead.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, like, who, who else has done what Diego Pavia has done in terms of, like, turning around, losing? Anybody can go to Ohio State, at LSU and win with all that talent there. Like, that's easy. Go do it. If you, if you. Good, Go do it at Vanderbilt. Go do it in New Mexico.

[Billy]

Or go do it at Indiana.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, or go do that Indy. Or go do it in Indiana. You're right.

[Joel Anderson]

The. Indiana was good last year, though, by the way. Just out of.

[Billy]

You know, it is cool though, that, like the two favorites, obviously, Mendoza is the heavy favorite now. Pavia right behind him. No matter what, one school is going to get their first Heisman winner, whether it's Indiana or Vanderbilt, which is. It's a good story for college football that we got those types of teams, those types of schools, those types of programs getting the Heisman Trophy for the first time. So that's pretty Dillingham.

[Joel Anderson]

It's not all a mess. These are good stories, dog.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Tap, tap into college football. There's some good going on.

[Billy]

Tap In Kenny. If I was doing the Reese Davis final verdict, I think I would go with Mendoza. He had the Heisman moment.

[Joel Anderson]

The.

[Billy]

The touchdown.

[Joel Anderson]

No chance I was gonna win. I mean.

[Billy]

I mean, I'm just more.

[Van Lathan]

Mendoza's your hydro.

[Billy]

I think Mendoza is going to win.

[Van Lathan]

That particularly inspiring year for the Heisman. But Mendoza trophy winner. I think so.

[Billy]

I like the. I like the pavia argument, though. You're right.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, I like the two.

[Joel Anderson]

It's inspired.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Thank you.

[Billy]

There's a chance. There's a chance. Last thing. Big van on campus. Van, what's going on in your world this week?

[Van Lathan]

Okay, so there's a lot of talk about front door payments and backdoor payments. Coach O went on the podcast shout out to Coach O and talked about the fact that NIL has allowed some of the backdoor payments to become front door payments. And that led to a back and forth between Haha, Clinton Dix and Deon Bailey. Deon Bailey went to usc and he called out, hi, Clinton Dix. Excuse me. He called out. He called out the system. He said, we've been telling y' all that the SEC been paying kids, man. Been paying them. Been paying hi, Clinton Dix responded, you went to usc.

I don't want to name drop the gang, but y' all was getting paid. Deon Bailey comes back and says, ha, ha ha, you're lying right now. All of that different type of stuff.

There is a narrative that's out there right now that the reason why there's more parity in college football is because now everybody can pay kids like the SEC was paying them, that the SEC had this gigantic flush with cash cartel going on where they were paying all of these kids and nobody else was getting involved in this type of stuff. And now that they can, the SEC.

Is in trouble. The SEC where all the kids were getting paid. It's different than what it was in the Big 12 and the Big 10 and the Pac 12, where everything was on the up and up. And so this is obviously horseshit. And it's so stupid if you've ever followed college football that I can't believe how this narrative is allowed to actually be something that people listen to, especially.

[Joel Anderson]

From like, the Big Ten. This is the big.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, so let's just go through it.

[Joel Anderson]

I forgot. Okay. All right.

[Van Lathan]

SMU pay for play recruiting. NCAA death penalty. All right, not the sec. Usc impermissible benefits riding around in the Charger. Not the sec. Miami Shapiro booster payments. Not an sec. Oregon, the Willie Lyles recruiting scandal. Georgia Tech improper recruiting Benefits vacated in.

[Joel Anderson]

AC Wait, did you say Georgia Tech?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Washington. Improper benefits. Ucla. I'm looking at all of these improper recruiting violations. Cap booster at Cal. This is Berkeley booster driven recruiting violations. Cincinnati recruiting violations. Rugger recruiting misconduct. Illinois recruiting violations. This was in the 80s. Marshall, Temple, Notre Dame going back to the 50s. Kansas, South Florida. Don't get me started on academic fraud. North Carolina.

[Billy]

No, no, no.

[Van Lathan]

The paper class is academic fraud. Minnesota tutors competing chorus war.

[Billy]

You had it right.

[Van Lathan]

Armies academic cheating scandal. That's from 1951. That's our soldiers. Boise State academic fraud. Oklahoma State academic is.

[Joel Anderson]

I can do it the same as paying people.

[Van Lathan]

Can we maybe go into the world of gambling? Since the rest of you guys are pure point shaving scandal. Arizona State, Boston College, the mafia. Point shaving. Toledo players betting on games. Iowa's sports betting scandal. Northwestern gambling violations. There's something else I don't want to. I want to talk about. I don't want to bring this up. Up.

[Joel Anderson]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

I want to bring this up.

Sexual abuse and institutional covers up cover up all over the place.

[Joel Anderson]

Penn State, LSU.

[Van Lathan]

Did you guys hear about that?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Ohio State, Dr. Richard Strauss. Michigan, Dr. Robert Anderson. Baylor, Joel's place. B. Joel likes art brials. I don't like B sexual assault cover up.

[Joel Anderson]

Hold on, hold on. First of all that I can get.

[Van Lathan]

Into so much in this, but the idea that college football is some bastion of fairness, clean and white as the driven snow, except for the lawlessness that reigns in the SEC is so fucking idiotic. If you have a centella of understanding about the history of college football. I didn't get into tattoos and all of that dumbass shit. I didn't get into any of that stuff.

[Joel Anderson]

Stuff.

[Van Lathan]

If you have an iota of understanding about the history of college football, you know that if your team won a national championship, somebody got fucking paid, you know that you, whether it's Miami, Ohio State, Michigan, lsu, usc, all of that stuff, you know what the fuck is going on? So all of this stuff that you, these stories that you guys are telling yourself, tell yourself the real story. And the real story is that it was the wild wild west out there and if you weren't playing players, there was only one reason and that was because you couldn't afford it.

[Billy]

Yeah, you were broke.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean again you brought up the SMU thing and far be it for me to be an SMU Stan here. But what was it? I can't remember which coach it was that said. Maybe it was Jerry Tarkanian, the former UNLV basketball Coach that said, you know, the NCAA is so mad that at Kentucky for cheating that they put Cleveland State on probation. Yeah. I mean, they went after a lot of those schools because they could get away with it and they would. They didn't have as much power as influences. Them schools down there in the south and Southeast, man, they weren't.

[Van Lathan]

That's.

[Joel Anderson]

Sometimes they were trying. They weren't trying.

To. Joel, are you going to deny that y' all were cheating down there?

[Van Lathan]

Joel?

[Joel Anderson]

Joe, are you going to deny that you were cheating down there?

[Van Lathan]

What did I just say, Joel? Did. They went after s. They went after USC because they couldn't get. So what are you talking about?

[Joel Anderson]

No, I mean, that happened. I'm just saying. But again.

The harshest penalties are reserved for the weakest offenders.

[Van Lathan]

No, the harshest penalties are reserved for the most flagrant offenders.

[Joel Anderson]

No, no, no, I don't think so. I mean, you can steal some skill, some scholarship, some scholarship reductions. They don't do probation anymore because my favorite favorite school, University of Houston, was on probation. So when Andre War won the Heisman, I don't if I'm. If I recall this correctly, he didn't play a game on TV that year because that used to be one of the ways they would punish you. They wouldn't put you on tv. Y' all may not remember that era of football.

[Billy]

I mean, that's what they did to smu. They killed the program. Taking it off tv.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah, taking it off TV for a few years. So they would punish all these other schools for the violations. And I'm not trying to minimize what they were trying to do, because they were. I mean, they were trying to cheat. They would. That was the environment that was created around them, and they were trying to keep up. Up with some of the bigger schools that had those advantages and had systems or whatever. So, again, I don't have a price. The thing is, see, Van, if I was the sec, I've been like, yeah, we paid. So what? You know what I'm saying?

[Van Lathan]

We were ahead of time, number one. I never said that. Like, first of all, if you go back and listen to, like, Joel Allergies, like a Republican. But if you go back and you listen to what I. What I.

[Joel Anderson]

What's wrong with being a Republican?

[Van Lathan]

What I. What I. Exactly.

[Joel Anderson]

What's wrong with being a Republican?

[Van Lathan]

They want you to lose your SNAP benefits and they don't want you. Subsidies, different podcasts. But if, If. Hey, everybody's welcome. Everybody's welcome. Tailgate, no problem.

[Joel Anderson]

You switch back and forth Though when I bring up politics, it's a problem.

[Van Lathan]

But all of a sudden you're not doing that here.

[Billy]

Shout out to everybody, tailgate, keep us alive.

[Joel Anderson]

Nothing wrong. Nothing wrong with.

[Van Lathan]

We don't know if we're gonna be. What I'm saying is I'm. I am. I just said. The last thing I said was, if your school's not playing people, it's because they couldn't afford it. I completely understand. I get that. That's a part of the game, right? That's a part of the game. What I don't like is everybody acting like the dirtiest, most egregious stuff was all happening in one conference. That's ahistorical. It's just not true. You guys can believe whatever you want. All of that stuff. That's ahistorical. It's not true. Now, what I will say is this. If we get into a world where the money goes like that, then other schools are going to have advantages because those schools are just more well resourced. There have been a resource in schools in the SEC for some of them. So, yeah, you will have advantages in other places where you don't have to hide the money as well. We're not talking about car dealership money. We're talking about like.

[Billy]

Or church money types of shit, like.

[Van Lathan]

Hedge fund money and all of that. There's not as many hedge fund people that came from lsu, so I totally get that. The money helps the other schools compete. Because if 40 or $50,000 ain't gonna get it done no more, if it's gonna be $4 million, you might be better suited going somewhere else. But everybody was playing people.

[Joel Anderson]

Y' all were just one. Brazen. Y' all were just more brazen about it, that's all.

[Van Lathan]

No, we weren't more.

[Joel Anderson]

Y' all maybe better cheaters. Maybe y' all just more brazen.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, just, you know, we weren't more brazen. We paying people closer to where we freeze, right?

[Joel Anderson]

All in everybody face, man.

[Van Lathan]

It's like, man, hey, let me ask you a question.

[Joel Anderson]

Why isn't good all of a sudden.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, hey, Joel, let me ask you Charge.

[Joel Anderson]

Your joke is. We want to about talk is a joke.

[Van Lathan]

No, the Charger joke is not a joke. That happened.

[Joel Anderson]

You are. That's what I'm saying. The reason it's a joke is because it's based on the truth. Because they were like, yo, man, Alabama's down there. Give. You know, they serving it up, bro.

[Van Lathan]

Wait, they said that to Reggie Bush?

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, look, man, so Reggie Bush.

[Van Lathan]

So USC was trying us.

[Joel Anderson]

He was trying. It was. But it was like he was from San Diego.

[Van Lathan]

He wanted to go to.

[Joel Anderson]

It was agent. It was an agent more than the school itself, though.

[Van Lathan]

But the agent is working on behalf of the actual athlete and being in the middleman between what's going on with the athlete in the school, usc and.

[Joel Anderson]

Carol can say, I didn't have anything to do with that.

[Billy]

It's all plausible deniability.

[Van Lathan]

This was happening.

My point is this. If people want to talk about why the football in the south.

Is played differently or at a different level, the conversation that we would have to have is actually a demographic one. Now, if you guys want to have a demographic conversation about the SEC or about why Louisiana, Texas, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Mississippi, all of those places, why a certain brand of athlete comes from those places, we're having a demographic conversation. We're having a cluster conversation, diet culture. Like all kinds of different conversations about why somebody that's from Louisiana is 6 foot 4, 285 pounds, and he runs a 4, 5, 40 yard dash. Right? We could have all kinds of conversations. I guarantee you they're gonna get uncomfortable. But beyond that, beyond, like, beyond that.

[Billy]

Not a Republican conversation.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, that sounds like one. Right. But beyond that, if we just having a conversation about the fact that there was pay for play at big schools for blue chip athletes, that conversation goes from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean, all the way north and all the way south. And if you say anything else, it's just not even.

[Joel Anderson]

No, it's not. It's not. I mean, I agree with you. The demographics. There are a lot of. There are a lot of reasons. There are a lot of reasons why this all. Why it happened in the way that it did. But also a lot of those. You might argue that some of those coaches that ended up at some of those SEC schools that ended up doing well, they learned how to do it at one school and they took that program to other places and it just caught on around the conference. Right? So again, I'm not. I think the sec.

[Billy]

It's an arms race. Everybody's trying to keep up.

[Joel Anderson]

I think the SEC probably cheated more than the average, average conference. But I'm not saying the other conferences did not cheat. Other schools and other conferences didn't cheat. But I'm just saying the SEC did it better than anybody else. Y' all should be proud of that, man. Congratulations.

[Van Lathan]

I'm like. All I'm saying is that it happened everywhere. If you look at. If you look at who was Being caught and all of that stuff. Like, it. It was happening everywhere. And that's it.

[Billy]

That's it. Parting shots. We gotta get out of here. We've been going for a while. Van. Any last part parting shots before we get out of here, man?

[Van Lathan]

My party shot is this, man. Look.

Sharon Moore, you got a whole community that's gonna support you, baby. You know what I'm saying?

[Billy]

This is where white women everywhere. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

He said yes. Ron said, I like my support more. More personal than that.

[Van Lathan]

Drone Moore. Like, it's never funny when somebody lose their job. That's a lot of. Of money that. That brother is out. But lock in. This is what we be trying to tell you. Lock in. Get locked in. I bet he'll fight this. I bet. You're on. Moore will fight.

[Billy]

He will.

[Joel Anderson]

I think Mel Tucker's still in court over this.

[Billy]

I bet he will fight this Kevin Ollie at UConn.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean.

[Billy]

Yeah, there's always. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Hey, man, sometimes it is funny when you get fired, man. And sometimes.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, I'm just saying, if you go fight it, Sherron Moore, just be wary of the text messages you have sent because that shit gonna come out in discovery and all kinds of different crazy ass shit. And if you didn't send any text messages where it's been, oh, I came with Vanilla Queen. If you've sent any of that type of shit, you might want to be judicious about the way that you go about clearing your name, man.

[Joel Anderson]

I just, man. Yeah, man. I mean, I think it is. It is funny to me. I think it's sad that the brother is losing the opportunity and that I think so, too. The two brothers that had the opportunity at the Michigan flagship schools kind of squandered it over some bullshit.

[Van Lathan]

Man, what y' all doing to the brothers up there in Michigan?

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I've been to Ann Arbor. I'm just kind of. Yeah, I'm kind of surprised, man, that is going down like this for him.

[Billy]

Joel, parting shot. Unless. Unless that is your parting shot. Also, Billy wanted us to bring up. You did not do your new segment. Grow up, daddy.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, we didn't. We don't have time for that. And I didn't agree to it in the first place. Second, I want to give a shout out to Prairie View, Man. Also, I think the Celebration bowl was this weekend as well.

[Van Lathan]

It was.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. The sweet. Yeah. So Prayer View Wonder, their first conference title since 20 2009. And it's just funny for me because I still have a hard time breaking out of the paradigm with par with Prairie View was the worst football program in the country. Like they were. Yeah, they lost like 80 games in a row when we when I was in high school and then, you know. But they've gotten good, man, and they got I think this is a first year coach, was it Coach Robinson just down there, Tremaine Robinson. So yeah, man, Shout out Prairie View, man. I, you know, I know a lot of my friends went to school there a of lot lot of my loved ones went to school there. So that's cool. I hope they win the HBCU national championship, man.

[Billy]

So yeah, shout out to the swac. Shout out to the championship game there. That was a good one. Shout out to Prairie View in Indiana. Flipping the script on college football.

Yeah, we love that. I know Kenny Dillingham definitely doesn't like that because it's a mess, he said. But again, we love college football on the show. We appreciate everybody tuning in to ring your tailgate. We will not be live on Saturday for Army Navy, unfortunately. But we will be back back next week to break down all of the round one games. We'll go into detail on those and we will see you guys in a week.

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