No Cinderella Stories in CFB, Plus Fraud Alert for Week 12

Summary

Ringer Tailgate – Episode Summary

Episode Title: No Cinderella Stories in CFB, Plus Fraud Alert for Week 12
Date: November 13, 2025
Hosts: Van Lathan, Joel Anderson, Tate Frazier
Special Guest: Billy Gill (enters ~1:35:00)

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Overview

This episode is a full-throttle ride through the chaos of college football’s Week 12, as The Ringer Tailgate crew dives into the College Football Playoff (CFP) rankings, exposes perceived “frauds” among contending teams, and debates whether Cinderella stories have any place in today’s game. With trademark banter, sharp analysis, and some wild tangents (plus a breakdown of a Grambling-Bethune Cookman fight and the oddities of Minnesota), Van, Joel, and Tate serve up a mix of humor and real talk that’s both irreverent and insightful.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. CFP Rankings: Credibility and Chaos

(07:15 - 15:45)

• Miami’s Jump in Rankings: Van is incredulous at Miami’s leap in the CFP, questioning the committee’s consistency. He suspects pressure and public opinion swayed them:

  • "Bullying works. Miami is now in the CFP. How on God's green earth did Miami jump up that far?" – Van (07:16)
  • Tate and Van discuss “style points” being cited by the committee, with Van dismissing that as “horseshit.”

• Head-to-Head Confusion & Credibility

  • Debate over Miami leaping Louisville, despite losing to them: Van argues for consistency, Joel points to week-to-week changes and contextual results (injuries, timing, etc.).
  • Joel suggests the committee’s transparency may fuel fan anger but is inevitable content fodder.
  • Quote: "People being mad, getting upset, that is the fuel of college football, man." – Joel (10:45)

• Strength of Schedule Double Standard:

  • Committee chair Mac Rhodes is criticized for dismissing ACC strength despite Florida State beating Alabama (Tate at 11:06).
  • ACC has more non-conference wins vs. current CFP ranked teams (Tate outlines this at 11:11).

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2. ‘Best Teams’ vs. ‘Resume Teams’: Who Deserves a Playoff Spot?

(13:18 - 20:28)

• Debating the 12 “best” teams vs. most “deserving”
  • Not all top-12 teams are truly “best,” pointing at the Group of Five/Power Five disparity.
  • Joel: “Would you really rather see 10-2 Vandy, or 9-3 Texas, over an 11-1 Group of Six team?”
  • General consensus: Teams should be rewarded for on-field results, but resources and scheduling realities limit true Cinderella runs.

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3. Why Cinderella Stories Don’t Happen in CFB

(18:50 - 25:45)

• Tate and Van contrast college football vs. college basketball playoff upsets:
  • Van: “College football is not a sport of Cinderellas. It’s a sport of upsets… At a certain point, there is a 300-pound man on the line across from you and you gotta move him.”
  • TCU’s 2022 run to the natty was as close as we’ve come—and even that ended in a blowout.

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4. Fraud Alert & Resume Dissections for Week 12

(33:03 - 42:44)

• Teams with “Fraud” Concerns (34:27)

  • Notre Dame: “Notre Dame is the biggest fraud concern for me just because they legitimately do not have a good win on the season.” – Van (34:27)
  • Joel labels Michigan and Tennessee as “frauds,” breaking down their lackluster conference wins and poor eye-test performances (37:21).

• Resumes Don’t Stack Up

  • Overemphasis on “style points” over actual results noted as a recurring CFP committee theme.
  • Indiana, Texas A&M, and others criticized for feasting on weak conference schedules and “almost wins” over heavyweights.

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5. Lane Kiffin’s SEC Spin & Neutral Site Debate

(26:07 - 33:03)

• Lane Kiffin suggests Vegas odds are better than the committee; Joel and Tate actually check with oddsmakers: “Indiana and Ohio State are both favorites over Texas A&M at a neutral site.”
  • Van: “Lane knows… the perception of Texas A&M helps the rest of the conference. This to me is nonsensical blibber, blabber,” (32:12)
  • Dick riding the SEC as a conference theme.

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6. Family, Vets, and Generational Change Tangent

(00:59 - 05:45, 54:31 - 58:48)

• In the wake of Veterans Day, the crew shares heartfelt (and hilarious) stories about their fathers and grandfathers’ military service, leading to banter about changing family dynamics and manhood across generations.

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7. Week 12’s Biggest Games: Stakes, Matchups & Historic Rivalries

(62:21 - 79:25)

• Top Games:

  • Texas at Georgia: Framed as a massive cultural game with implications for Arch Manning, Steve Sarkisian’s future, and Georgia’s supposed “slippage.”
    • “This is a huge cultural game in college football. It’s a gigantic matchup.” – Van (62:49)
  • Oklahoma at Alabama: Both Van and Joel believe Oklahoma can upset a “gettable” Bama, analyzing pressure points for both teams.

• Other Marquee Matchups:

  • Notre Dame vs. Pitt (“strange” press conference from Pat Narduzzi who is fine with losing “110 to 10” as long as Pitt wins ACC games—see quote below)
  • Iowa at USC, Virginia at Duke, and a slew of ACC and Group of Five games with major playoff implications.

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8. Memorable Quotes & Banter

• On the CFP Committee:

  • “You wonder if they’re taking this sh*t serious. I’m being for real here.” – Van (07:54)
  • “Justice for Louisville, justice for Miami over Notre Dame, justice for these teams…” – Van (13:18)

• On Lane Kiffin and the SEC:

  • "The SEC, man, again, the dick riding is crazy bro." – Joel (31:48)

• Pat Narduzzi, Pitt Head Coach:

  • "I gladly get beat 103 or 110 to 10 in that game. They can put 100 up on us. As long as we win the next two after that." – Narduzzi, via Van (44:01)

• On Cinderellas:

  • "College football is not a sport of Cinderellas. It’s a sport of upsets." – Van (20:28)

• On Allegiances:

  • “I don’t give a f*ck about any other team except for LSU.” – Van (29:08)

• On Modern Manhood:

  • "If it was 3,000 years ago, you wouldn't even be there. You'd be with me and Tate, hunting a boar." – Van (55:23)

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9. Big Van on Campus: HBCU Fight Breakdown

(79:25 - 87:47)

• Van breaks down the Grambling vs. Bethune Cookman football fight using boxing scoring (“10-point must system”), playfully giving the win to Bethune Cookman almost solely due to “turning down the fade” and Grambling’s band not playing during the fight.
• “The Grambling Band is watching this happen and they’re not playing anything at all.” – Van (82:51)
• “BC fucked Grambling up. The final score of this fight is 30 to 26 Bethune Cookman.” – Van (84:39)

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10. Guest Segment – Billy Gill’s Last Call from Minnesota

(89:35 - show end)

• Billy checks in from Minnesota, sharing oddities like “Paul Bunyan Land” and the Mall of America.
• His recap of the episode includes jabs that “Joel knows how to ride some dick. We learned that today,” referencing running jokes on “conference propaganda” and “dick riding.”
• The segment ends in riotous laughter, with the pod acknowledging more fun than rigorous analysis (“on analysis: 4; on fun: 11,” per Van at 91:52).

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Notable Moments & Timestamps

• CFP Outrage, Miami Jump: 07:16 – 11:39
• Head-to-head/Resume Debate: 13:18 – 20:28
• Cinderella Discussion: 18:50 – 25:45
• Lane Kiffin/SEC/Neutral Field Probe: 26:07 – 33:03
• Fraud Alert (Notre Dame, Michigan, Tennessee): 33:03 – 42:44
• Pat Narduzzi Must-Win Rant: 43:44 – 45:10
• Week 12 Key Games Rundown: 62:21 – 79:25
• Big Van on Campus (HBCU Fight): 79:25 – 87:47
• Billy Gill’s Last Call / Minnesota Adventures: 89:35 – END

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Final Thoughts

This episode embodies the Ringer Tailgate vibe: cramming real football analysis, irreverent humor, running inside jokes, and wild tangents into two hours. The crew is skeptical of the College Football Playoff’s process, unapologetically partial to blue bloods, and ever-ready to call out “frauds,” while championing what makes college football fun—even if, as they admit, there might be “more frauds than we think at this point.”

If you want to know who’s for real, who’s capping, and why there may never be a true Cinderella in college football, this episode is a must-listen—if only for Van’s Southern pride rant, Joel’s rational skepticism, and Billy’s Paul Bunyan Land travelogue.

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Selected Quotes by Timestamp

• 07:16 Van: "Bullying works. Miami is now in the CFP. How on God's green earth did Miami jump up that far?"
• 11:06 Tate: "Florida State-Alabama, I guess, never happened. Now the committee has wiped that game from our memory."
• 18:54 Tate: "In college basketball we love Cinderella stories... in college football, we're trying to litigate the Cinderella stories out of the playoff."
• 20:28 Van: "College football is not a sport of Cinderellas. It's a sport of upsets."
• 32:12 Van: "This to me is nonsensical blibber, blabber."
• 34:27 Van: "Notre Dame is the biggest fraud concern for me just because they legitimately do not have a good win on the season."
• 44:01 Narduzzi: "I gladly get beat 103 or 110 to 10 in that game. They can put 100 up on us. As long as we win the next two after that."
• 55:23 Van: "If it was 3,000 years ago, you wouldn't even be there. You'd be with me and Tate, hunting a boar."
• 91:52 Van: "On college football analysis: probably like a 4. But on hanging out with your boys, fun—I'm gonna go 11, man."

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Episode Verdict

Smarter than your fan forum, funnier than your coach’s press conference.
If you like serious CFB analysis with a side of absurdity, “No Cinderella Stories in CFB, Plus Fraud Alert for Week 12” delivers.

Transcript

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[Tate]

Welcome back to Ringer Tailgate, the Wednesday edition. We are here to talk CFP committee rankings. We're gonna have reactions, we're gonna have questions, we're gonna have fraud alerts and we're also going to have some fun with Billy Gill on the back end of the show. We're gonna, you know, tease that at the top because a lot of people are very excited to have Billy Gill in the mix. But first and foremost, let's say what's up to our guys. Van Lathan with the meadow bat. What's up, fan?

[Van Lathan]

What's going on? What's going on? Aluminum. Okay, we're here, cuz. We have to have Aluminum resolve after the chaos that's happening right now in college football.

[Tate]

Yeah, we got composite bats. We got composite rankings that we're going to talk about. The committee is obviously very nimble and reactionary based on the rankings this week. Miami might be back. Joel, we kind of buried them last week. But your thoughts on potentially the hurricanes coming back. And before you get into that, let's just say what's up? How you doing on this Wednesday afternoon?

[Joel]

I'm good, man. You know, I was shocked that we had a national holiday yesterday. Like, again, my father is a veteran, you know, served in Vietnam and you know, he's currently in a veterans home down there in the H town area. Shout out to vets. But I just, I don't know about y'. All. It just didn't seem like it was well publicized. So yesterday I was scrambling all day, bro. So I'm happy. I feel free today. Like, I get to, you know, have fun and be at work and watch football and talk football today.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. I saw you tell somebody about the legacy of your father, and I didn't realize this man, Purple Heart, served his country. I appreciate his service, man. That's amazing.

[Joel]

Thank you. Appreciate it. Yeah, man. You know, my father doesn't talk about it. He was. Son, you don't. He told me the other day, I was like, y' all gonna be doing anything at the house at the. At the nursing home? He was like, man, black people don't really care that much about this holiday, son. I was like, well, I don't know. I don't know if that's true, but I was like, you know, the origins of Memorial Day. He said, yeah, but that's.

[Van Lathan]

This is different.

[Joel]

I was like, okay, so I guess they didn't. He's mad about the food at his veterans home. So I think that's just that, you know, maybe that's the message we send out. Let's.

[Tate]

Let's get better food down there for our.

[Joel]

Yeah, we should send us some food. Send us some good barbecue plates or something.

[Van Lathan]

Where. Where's. Where is he. Where is he living at?

[Joel]

Is it just outside the Houston area.

[Van Lathan]

Like, kind of near Pearl? Guess what I'm going to do? I'm going to send them something to eat, and I'm serious about it. I want to send them some of the best barbecue that there is around because I actually do really appreciate shout out to my Uncle Charles and all the other veterans in my family what the veterans do for us and what it means to put something else in front of you, like your country. So I appreciate your dad. Not only that, I'm going to send them something else. I'm going to send them something to do after he eats or maybe before. So I know that the. What.

[Joel]

What do you. What do you just go ahead and say what it is then?

[Van Lathan]

No, no, it's a special gift from me.

[Tate]

Like, it's definitely going to be the foot doctor.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joel]

Hey, man. Hey, let's not talk. Don't talk about inside joke. I have a headache. You say that gave me a headache. Move along. Like free is like. Do like free is did. When. When Van was trying to press him earlier about knowing song. Knowing a song. He said, let's get going.

[Tate]

Yeah, let's get going. Let's flip forward.

[Joel]

I appreciate. I appreciate your. Your generosity.

[Tate]

Yeah, yeah. Van's taking care of the vets. Shout out to all the veterans. My grandparents, both vets as well, back in World War II. So you know, look at us. Our whole podcast, we got family members who are.

[Van Lathan]

Wait a minute. Okay, before we move on now, we gotta stay on this one more second. So your grandparents were. They're veterans of World War II. They were.

[Tate]

Battle of the Bulge and Iwo Jima.

[Joel]

Yeah. Wow.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, shit. They lucky.

[Joel]

They were, man. God damn.

[Van Lathan]

Damn. Hold on for it, Tate. It's a miracle you're here.

[Joel]

Yeah, man.

[Van Lathan]

No.

[Joel]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Being fucking for real. Wow. That's really. Really. I was about to make a Tar Heel the Essence joke, but. But you can't. Was that one of your grandparents holding up to help hold up the flag?

[Tate]

Yeah, that we watched. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was my. Yeah, my grandpa. I don't know if he was, like, one of the ones holding up the flag, but, yeah, he was in Iwo Jima.

[Van Lathan]

I will say this just real quick. It would be difficult for me to have gone to Iwo Jima and then not been one of the people. Imagine if you want. Imagine if you wanted to be one of the guys that was holding up the flag. If. And then somebody else ran and beat you to it. And then they are holding up the flag forever, and you're like, hey, yo, I was there too. I could have been holding up the flag. So if I was ever to. Is your grandfather still with us?

[Tate]

No, both passed away.

[Van Lathan]

Both passed away. They gone to glory.

[Joel]

World War II, man. Long time.

[Van Lathan]

I don't know. Captain America's still alive, but if I was talking to him, I would ask him. That's what I would have asked him about. I'd have asked him, hey, man, could you see them holding up the flag? And did you run over there to maybe help out to hold up the flag? But that's really, really impressive to take two battles, like, two different. That's really. That's. Tate, you're a real American, bro. You really are.

[Tate]

North Carolina. We got a lot of military influence. You know what I mean?

[Joel]

Right? That's right. That's right. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

That's right. That's right.

[Tate]

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[Van Lathan]

Bullying works. Miami is now in the cfp. They look like they're there. Like, how on God's green earth did Miami jump up that far? They now are there. They have a shot. What was so different between last week and this week? You start to wonder if fluctuations like that damaged the credibility of the, of the committee.

[Tate]

Style points is what they said. They said Miami looked better in their win. They had an offensive lineman score a touchdown. So I guess style points really matter with the committee.

[Van Lathan]

Do you buy that? That sounds like horseshit. That sounds like a bunch of people were outraged at the fact that Notre Dame was in the playoff, Miami wasn't. Miami beat Notre Dame. And then the committee members, rather than come out and say, this is the metric that we use and this is where we are and this is how we see it. We buckled to that pressure and then put Miami in because they realized they had fucked up. You wonder if they're taking this shit serious. I'm being for real here. I know I joke a lot, but when I saw this, I was like, wait a minute. If they were bold enough to come out with having them in that spot, then they should have been consistent enough in some way to stick to that. Barring some really, really seismic change in college football, which did not happen last week.

[Joel]

Well, I mean it was, it wasn't that large of a jump. I mean, it went from 18 to 15 and two people lost ahead of them. So they lost Louisville loss and Virginia loss. So that explains those two. Like, right, they can go ahead of those. I mean, although it makes it difficult because again, Miami lost to Louisville. But we, we also have to have some sort of context to head to head matchups, right? Like sometimes know it matters when you lose, how you lose, all that other stuff. So I think that that probably explains it a little bit. But also, I mean, it does make sense. Like, I mean, that's what we want. We want the committee to be responsive, right? Like to like, yeah, you Guys, have you thought about why you had Miami so low and so far away from Notre Dame and they responded to it? Like I think that like if it, it's never going to be perfect because it's always people doing it and you know, they're getting the, you know, crab dinner or whatever, a big brisket spread there in Dallas. They having a nice little time, you know, Mike Riley's trying to get people to go out and stuff. So they probably like oh shit man, we totally forgot about that, bro. Let's just move them up a little bit. But that kind of leads to what my thing is, is that I don't think they should do. They shouldn't have to talk to people after, after they do these ratings anymore because all it does is piss people off. And like so Dan Wilkin pointed at this out, he's over at, shot him out. USA Today. No, he's a yahoo now. He left USA Today and it's now yahoo. And he was just talking about how like Mack Rhodes had to talk. And so they have Mack Rhodes out there talking to people, talking about how they penalized Vanderbilt for playing against Auburn without its quarterback. Right. But then giving Utah credit for its win over Arizona State and Arizona State didn't have Sam Levitt for its game. So it's stuff like that, it's just like man, it's look, we, we cover this sport, we watch it, we try to follow as closely as possible. Sometimes you go to make mistakes, things change on a week to week basis. I just feel like a lot people would be less mad if they didn't have to hear this and see this every week. But the problem is that people being mad, getting upset, that is the fuel of college football, man. And they. So it's good for all of us that do this kind of content and like to talk about it. But in terms of like the integrity of the rankings of finding out how seriously people are taking this stuff, it's like sometimes you're like oh yeah, man. It's just they, they're not paying attention sometimes as closely as you would think they would.

[Tate]

I did want to say that Rhodes feels like he's baiting us. He did say this about the acc. He said when you look at their non conference schedule, there really are no signature wins other than Miami versus Notre Dame. Which goes back to our amnesia game that we talked about a couple weeks ago. Florida State, Alabama, I guess never happened. Now the committee has wiped that game from our, from our visceral memory. Like that was the only game that he Said with the acc and if you actually look at it, the ACC most non con wins versus current CFP ranked teams. The the ACC has four, the SEC has two, the Big 12 has two, the Big Ten has two and Notre Dame has one.

[Van Lathan]

Once again, this is my problem. I personally think right now that Miami is in the playoff. Having them leap over a team that beat them is very interesting. I think when this shakes out they have a very favorable schedule. They'll end up being into the playoff. Like the fact that he could say that when Florida State beat Alabama is nuts. This entire thing is a woozy, it's a wazi. I'm starting to wonder about whether or not these people are keeping a fine eye on the sport now because I have to keep the same energy. I have to ask should I made the same case with Notre Dame? Do I overrate head to head matchups? Because I think that for Miami to jump in front of Louisville when Louisville beat Miami I think is horseshit bullshit. And I don't think especially if the, if you have the same amount of losses that you should jump a team just because they won or they lost in a week that you won. I don't think that that should be like that. Particularly if we're talking about the playoff. If we're just talking about an AP poll which is people's decisions about. And this is where I make a distinction here. The AP poll is just a list of who you think the best teams in the country are in any given week. This playoff poll in this playoff bracket, this playoff ranking is supposed to be who is supposed to play for the national championship.

[Tate]

The best 12 team.

[Van Lathan]

Different things, right? The two totally different things. And so I don't know, justice for Louisville, justice for Miami over Notre Dame, justice for these teams, especially if they have the same amount of losses.

[Joel]

Well, wait a minute T. Actually you had it to to it is not the 12 best teams because if it was 12 best teams, we wouldn't be sitting up here talking about, man, is South Florida going to make it or is it going to be somebody else from the AAC or James Madison? You know, they're going to, they're going to finish.

[Tate]

They're going to have a 38% chance according to ESPN to make the play, man.

[Joel]

But people they were talking about Mac Rhodes is like, yeah, we just couldn't get over the strength of schedule thing. And it's just like, you know, that's, that's just how this, this stuff goes. It's not always about the best teams. It's like sometimes the, you know, if you won your conference championship, Miami is, is on the outside looking in for the ACC conference championship game. Right. Like it's going to take some work for them. A lot of work to play. Yeah, but don't you think Miami's probably the best team in the acc, but the champion of the ACC is probably going to go to the playoff. Miami as a result, probably has less of a chance. It's easy. It's. Right now you're looking at it. ACC is theoretically a one bit league.

[Van Lathan]

They played the games so well.

[Joel]

See, that's the thing. They don't play because this is another thing that somebody brought up this week and I was like, it's actually a really good point because it's just so dumb how we do all this stuff. But so Texas A and M and I'm going to just shout out my guy, Ralph Russo who used to do the AP poll.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, Ralphie Russo.

[Joel]

Yeah, Ralph Russo. That's my dog, New Yorker, you know what I'm saying? He used to, he used to, he used to cover Mississippi football too. Like he was an Ole Miss, Mississippi State. So he's, he's been in the SEC country. Here's what he says. Texas A and M could make the SEC championship game without playing Ole Miss, Bama, uga, ou, Vandy, Georgia Tech could make the ACC title game without playing Miami, Louisville, uva, snu, Duke, Ohio State can make the Big Ten title game without playing Oregon, Indiana, Iowa, usc. Man, they don't even play. Like, it's just the schedules are so off balance. It's just really tough to know. Like playing in the conference championship game doesn't necessarily mean you did anything. It might have meant that you won a lot of games, but you, you avoided all the tough teams in your league. So it's just the way that they're doing it now is kind of weird.

[Van Lathan]

Well, okay, so there's a couple of things I say to that. Number one, that's a great observation, but in all seriousness, it does leave out a couple of things. Number one, Texas A and M went on the road and beat Notre Dame. You guys all love Notre Dame so much. Okay, who does they play?

[Joel]

Don't say that.

[Van Lathan]

You guys all love not. You guys all love Notre Dame so much. You would have to give Texas A and M credit for going on the road and beating Notre Dame. Something I also say about Texas A and M is Texas A and M did play LSU at Tiger Stadium. Now LSU sucks.

[Joel]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

However, if you are looking at the schedule before the season. You will not expect LSU to suck. There is a certain degree of fortune that goes into the scheduling, particularly when the schedules are the way they are. They meaning if there's no SEC east and SEC west, meaning you are not guaranteed to play Alabama, Oregon, Mississippi State, all of those teams, if you're not guaranteed to play them, then there's a lot more back and forth or uncertainty about which teams are going to be good in which year.

[Joel]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

So if you're A and M, it. It used to be that maybe some of these teams you wouldn't play. Like what's the teams on that list?

[Joel]

Yeah, you. Yeah, it's a. Ole Miss, Bama, Georgia, OU and Vandy.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, so if, if things were the way they used to be, you'd for sure play Ole Miss because they'd be in the west with you right? Now it's different now. Now it's different now because of the, the getting rid of the divisions. Now there are going to be some teams you play in some years, some teams that you don't. And here's the deal. The way the college football schedule shakes out in terms of how good these teams are, some years you are going to have killer, ridiculously difficult schedules like Florida did this year. And some years all these teams that were supposed to be up are going to be down. But the consistency of rivalry and teams that you play year by year is gone. So some of what he's talking about is going to happen. The only way you can control it is really what you do in a non conference. And I got to give Texas A and M credit, I got to give Miami credit for, for playing a big team in a non conference. It happened to be Notre Dame, they beat them both.

[Tate]

And Ohio State for playing Texas. Right.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, Ohio State for playing Texas, the same thing.

[Tate]

Another example. That's why I think they're fair to be number one over Indiana just because of that game. You gotta, you gotta give some, you know, credence to scheduling those games. I did want to go back. Joel, you mentioned usf. Fine. Bomb. I saw him this morning. I was watching just to, you know.

[Van Lathan]

Check in and see his best friend.

[Tate]

Yeah, exactly. McShay's guy. I wanted to get, get and see, you know, get and see what, you know, he had going on in his world. But he was saying that this is like letting USF by letting them in is like letting a AAA team play in the playoffs in Major League Baseball. Now in college basketball we love Cinderella stories, right? I mean, how many Cinderella stories have we fallen in love with George Mason. You know, the list goes on with all these different teams. So in college basketball, we love it. But it seems like in college football, we're trying to, as best we can, litigate the Cinderella stories out of the playoff. Do we want Cinderellas or do we want, you know, a situation where it's like all powerhouse programs in the final 12? Because it does feel like we're at a tipping point with that conversation.

[Joel]

I think theoretically we want the Cinderella in college football because we want to see teams rewarded for good seasons. Right. Like, we want a team like USF or whatever. I mean, there's a. So what we're saying, essentially in the group of six, that's like 60 teams, maybe more, and they don't. They're all basically playing for one spot a year. You know what I mean? Like, that's half of fbs. And so, I mean, I guess begging.

[Tate]

To schedule these games because, I mean, there's a lot of times where these, you know, schools are trying to dodge some of these really good teams now.

[Joel]

Yeah, right. A lot of teams won't do home and homes with them. Right. Like, and it's. They'll play them at a certain time or whatever. And so it's, like, really difficult. So I think that, like, just to make sure that they're covering their bases in the division, it only makes sense to at least lit one. I don't. You know, the thing is, at a certain point when you get to, like, the 11th and 12th seeds, you're arguing about teams that already have sort of questionable resumes. Like a team that may have two losses. Like, you know, SMU got lucky last year. They were able to get in. You know who the 12th seed was last year? It was Arizona State. Man, Arizona State almost beat Texas last year. Right. So we just. Yeah, we don't know. So we don't actually know what these teams are going to look like until they actually get out there on the field. So I think that's the only fair way is to do it that way. Like, would I like to see more group of six teams invited and more thoughtfulness applied to, like, those teams and what they do throughout the season. Yes, but that's just not the way that it is. And I kind of understand, because people don't want to see games like Penn State versus smu, man. Right. They say, I had to watch that game. And they were like, I don't want to see that.

[Van Lathan]

So Arizona State now aside, because I really enjoyed the run that they got on last year and the success that they had. College football is not a sport of Cinderellas. It's a sport of upsets. It's a sport on any given Saturday or Tuesday or whatever. If we're talking about shout out action.

[Tate]

Yeah, Tuesday night.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Tate]

Last night. Great game, Zips.

[Van Lathan]

What about the Ohio Bobcats? Okay, what about those guys? What about what's going on in the Mac Ball State Ball. What about can I interest you in Miami of Ohio. Don't get me started.

[Joel]

Central Michigan or where the Chippewa was.

[Van Lathan]

You know, so some good games, great games, always very, very, very entertaining. But it upsets one thing. Cinderella is different. Cinderella is a prolonged segment or a time of, of of you winning. You're catching fire. You're in the NCAA tournament and they don't know how you play. Or you have VCU with Shaka.

[Tate]

Smart, right?

[Van Lathan]

Vcu, you have veteran guards that control the game and the tempo of the game. You dive on the floor, you're up against. It's a culture clash. That's something you can Cinderella your ass all the way to the Final Four.

[Joel]

Oh yeah, or it was like you know the old Jim Boeheim 18 and 12 Syracuse teams that everybody had to play every year and they had 2016.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

So you. But in college football that's just not as big of a deal. And it's. And by the way, I don't know if it ever will be because at a certain point There is a 300 pound man on the line across from you and you gotta move him. You gotta either open a hole or you gotta block him. And if you're telling me right now that there is gonna be some team from the group of five that is going to be able to rip off three games, two games that outgunned and outmanned, I just don't see it happening. And I don't think that the sport is, is. I don't think that that is actually what people want from the sport. I think people like the blue bloods and the tradition of the blue bloods in this sport. This is a battle of the titans in a way to where the. The and last thing I'll say about it, to where I don't know. In college basketball, Butler versus North Carolina is really, really interesting for a lot of reasons right now. If the national championship game was you, USF versus Ohio State, that's going to turn a lot of people off. I don't think the sport is really made for the Cinderella story. If you're asking me, I would say.

[Tate]

TCU was the Cinderella story, right? That would probably be the best example. And they get to the national championship game and the game was over by halftime, you know.

[Joel]

Okay, well, I didn't, you know, you kind of moved ahead of the beating Michigan, but. Okay, that's fine.

[Van Lathan]

They did beat Michigan, though.

[Tate]

That's what I'm saying.

[Van Lathan]

I gotta give them, I gotta give them credit. They beat Michigan and then they got, but they, but I gotta give them, I gotta give them credit. They beat, they, they beat Michigan. That's a big win. Is that the biggest win in TCU history to be beating Michigan in that game, you think?

[Joel]

I think the biggest win is beating Wisconsin in the rose bowl in 2010. Okay. Because they finished undefeated that year. And I say that that year the TCU is a national champion. That, to me, that feel like, you know, I'm just like, hey, man, nobody beat us that year. We beat the Big Ten champ that had J.J. watt, you know, that's, that's the national champion.

[Van Lathan]

Well, guess what, Joel? Good for you. Okay, thanks.

[Joel]

Well, hey, maybe one day LSU will be able to play in the playoffs and get back to the national championship. You know, maybe someday, maybe, Maybe again.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, an undefeated season and setting all kinds of records with a Heisman Trophy winner. I don't know if it's going to get as good as that because that did happen.

[Joel]

Sorry, that was last decade, but I hear you.

[Tate]

Van does the. Kermit takes a sip of his drink.

[Joel]

That's fine, that's fine.

[Van Lathan]

But here's the thing happened.

[Joel]

Can I, can I just, can I. You guys don't like the Cinderella, but I'm just like, is, Are you, Would you really rather see 10 and 2 Vandy, 10 and 2 Vandy, or 9 and 3 Texas over an 11 and 1 group of 16 team?

[Van Lathan]

I actually wouldn't, I actually would like.

[Tate]

I, I, I definitely not a 9 and 3 Texas. Like, I can't do a 3 loss team in the playoff.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, yeah. I actually wouldn't. I think that those teams are out there playing football and I would like to see teams that you play the schedules in front of you and if you go and, and, and rack up the wins you're deserving of the playoff, go in there and whether you get bludgeoned or, or whether you don't, I should say this, you know, be it UCF or USF or whomever, that is a lot different than Arizona State. Like there is still a jump normally in the resources and what you have available in the athletes between some of these group of five teams and even teams out of the Big 12 like Arizona State, that people would not think would be able to stack up against the big boys like they did going against Texas last year.

[Tate]

Yeah, there aren't that many hidden gems out there. To go back to what you're saying about the size on the line and the trenches, that sort of stuff. Like, you can't find that many guys to go up against, you know, some of these top tier blue blood programs. Let's get to one big question, because Lane Kiffin was talking about Texas A and M. And we're going to play the sound bar right here, and then we're going to come back and I'm going to ask you guys if you think that Lane Kiffin is correct and his take on A and M put.

[Van Lathan]

Him on a neutral site. Ask Vegas who would win, what's the spread? And that, to me, shows more than people sitting around a room just guessing.

[Tate]

All right, Is Lane Kiffin. We just heard Lane Kiffin break it down, talking about A and M. Now, do you believe this is exactly what Lane thinks, or do you think he's capping for the SEC agenda yet again? Van, I'll go to you first. You speak sec. Do you think Lane Kiffin is pure and what he is saying here, or is this just more pushing the SEC conference propaganda?

[Van Lathan]

No way he believes it.

[Tate]

Okay, good.

[Van Lathan]

No way. No way Lane Kiffin believes it. Texas A and M is a great team. And let's just go ahead and put it out there. They stomped a mud hole in LSU's ass. Texas A&M put LSU.

[Tate]

What a vivid picture.

[Van Lathan]

Texas A and M put LSU into chaos because of Texas A and M. We're about to learn devastating truths about Brian Kelly's life. And I'm hearing all kinds of stuff.

[Tate]

Can't wait.

[Van Lathan]

All right, Kelly's gonna sue. There's gonna be a deposition. There's gonna be discovery. There's gonna be all types of stuff. Brian, listen to me. Don't do it.

[Tate]

I've heard they might put it on the Discovery Channel by the time all this stuff comes out.

[Van Lathan]

Brian, listen to your boy, Van. Hold on. This is the. Brian. Brian, listen to your boy, Van. Don't do it. I know it's a lot of money. I know it's a lot of money. And it is a lot of money, man. But you got more money to make, bro. You can make money on TV. You can go steal another $30 million at another program. I have heard some of the stuff that they are ready to Say, Brian, I've heard some of the stuff that they've said that you done.

[Joel]

Let's just. Let's just. Let me just hint at it. Let me just say. Cause I don't.

[Van Lathan]

No, no, no, no. Can't hide it. Cause we'll hit that. Getting the f. Hold on.

[Tate]

No, no, no.

[Joel]

I'm just gonna say.

[Van Lathan]

Talk to Brian. The worst stuff that they've said that you've done, Brian, and I'm telling you, don't do it. Don't fuck with these people.

[Joel]

But how bad are you doing it, Van? I mean, that could you really put a real cloud over that, man. I mean, what is. How bad could it be?

[Van Lathan]

It's not great.

[Tate]

The hoodoo words.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, this one.

[Joel]

Hold on.

[Van Lathan]

I want. I don't take any responsibility for what they're doing. This wasn't a part of the hood, okay? This is something different.

[Joel]

I don't know. I mean, some files came out today. Are you saying he's going to be in that? I mean, I don't. People.

[Van Lathan]

No, I don't want to say. Come on, man.

[Joel]

Well, I'm just saying.

[Van Lathan]

Don't bring. Don't. Some songs came out.

[Joel]

I just. I don't know.

[Tate]

Joel's connecting the dots.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, don't. Don't bring that out, bro. But I'm just saying.

[Joel]

Billy said Joel in the chat, so I guess I went too far.

[Van Lathan]

So Texas A and M is. I give them credit is what I'm trying to say. I give them credit. However, objectively, it would be very difficult for you to look at Ohio State right now and think that Texas A and M can fuck with them. I don't love the sec. What am I talking about? I don't give a fuck about any other team except for lsu. But I'll tell you this, though. Ohio State is locked in and they're getting better every single week as Justin Sane continues to develop. It's between them and, to me, Indiana. Although I will say that with the way that Indiana struggled against Penn State, I'm saying right now that to me, Ohio State is the best team in the country until proven otherwise.

[Joel]

Okay? So the Aggies, as Van has pointed out, they're a very good team, undefeated atop the toughest conference in college football. They defeated the number nine team at home earlier this year. And by the eye test, they're one of the most physically impressive and imposing rosters in college football. You know, from K.C. concepcion to Cassius Howell. Like, they look great. Okay? We know they're good. The question is, how Good. So let's go to this clip real quick from Lane Kiffin.

[Van Lathan]

Put him on a neutral site. Ask Vegas who would win, what's the spread? And that to me shows more than people sitting around a room just guessing.

[Joel]

So I had my dude freest ask our people at FanDuel. And you know, Kiffin said, you know, I need the people in Vegas. Well, FanDuel is as good or better than Vegas. Okay, like who would win if you matched up these schools at a neutral site? Texas A&M versus Indiana. Texas A&M versus Ohio State in a neutral site. Both, both of those lines came in with Indiana is the favorite and Ohio State is the favorite over Texas A and M. So to answer your question, Lane Kiffin, you said, oh, I would rather have people do that. Well, we had some people do that and they said they would probably they would be favored in a game against Texas A and M. Okay. And it's the thing, like, look, the Aggies, their only top 25 win is this two loss Notre Dame game, right? They haven't had to play, as we mentioned earlier, they haven't had to play Georgia, Alabama, Ole Miss, Vandy, Oklahoma or Tennessee, their SEC opponents this fall. So that's Auburn, Mississippi State, Florida, Arkansas, LSU and Mizzou. They have a combined league record of 8 and 27. They add South Carolina to that on Saturday, that South Carolina is 1 in 6 in the SEC and then they get to play Texas in the regular season finale. So if they win that game, finally, we can start talking about, okay, maybe they're the top team in the country or whatever, but we don't have to do this right now. Like, you don't have to talk, you don't have to pump up those boys over there, Lane. Like, they'll get a chance to prove if they're the number one team in the country and if they look really good against, if they look really good against Texas, if they look really good in the SEC championship game, then there probably be will be a one or two seed. They won't, we won't have to worry about that. So I just, I. All this, I mean, the sec, man, again, the dick riding is crazy, bro. Like, I just. Lane Kiffin, you don't have to do that, bro. You gotta, you got your own program. You have a good program. You don't have to go, you don't have to jump out there and hop on it for Texas A and M. They got enough going on.

[Van Lathan]

Lane knows that the perception of Texas A and M, which seems to be, which Is, you know, the only undefeated team in the conference right now. And if they are looked at as a strong, strong top of the conference, then it helps the perception of the rest of the teams. I think that's what he is concerned about. He is concerned about the magic trick that he has to do as a head coach. This to me is nonsensical blibber, blabber. That's not what I'm fucking with right now. I'm saying right now it's pretty clear to me in terms of the way these teams have played, who the best teams in college football are. And you know, as much as you could argue back and forth about Indiana and Texas, Texas A and M, I think clearly right now, clearly right now Ohio State's the best team in college.

[Tate]

Football and I think they have the best player, Jeremiah Smith, which Julian say, and being the Heisman favorite, I mean kudos to him, but I do feel like Jeremiah Smith, at some point we're going to all look around and be like, this guy just set the Ohio State wide receiver record. 25 games, 25 touchdowns. Maybe he's the Heisman Trophy winner. We'll see what happens with that. But Joel pointed it out, talking about A and M. Maybe there is some fraud detection happening, right? We got some, you know, we want to do a little bit of a fraud alert here. A and M, Joel mentioned some of their wins and you know, the competition that they've been dominating. Now if we go to the Big Ten, Indiana, they've beaten Michigan State, Maryland, Penn State, who are combined 1 in 17 and Big Ten Conference play. Also Indiana State, they have Purdue in Wisconsin, Wisconsin just got their first ranked win beat in Washington. Shout out to Luke Fickle, he's back. But they're again combined 1 in 12 in the.

[Billy Gill]

Big fan.

[Tate]

I like getting your reactions. Combined 1 in 12 in the big left on the schedule. So looking at Indiana and then we got Notre Dame as well. That's also maybe on the fraud territory. Conversation. Seven wins, three have come against the last place teams in the acc, Big Ten and sec. We got Boston College, Purdue in Arkansas, those teams are combined 0 and 18 in league play, 5 and 24 overall. The Bear, uh, Chris Falica was the one to point that out. So are we worried that we have more frauds than maybe we think at this point? It does feel like we kind of know who the good teams are, but also their resumes are a little fraudulent. Van I'm a little bit concerned.

[Van Lathan]

So if I was going to be a dick about it, which I have in the past, I've been known to be. I would say that Notre Dame is the biggest fraud concern for me just because of the fact that they legitimately do not have a good win on the season.

[Tate]

You also famously called them the best one loss team in the country, so.

[Van Lathan]

I didn't.

[Tate]

Yeah, you did. Earlier. Did I say that earlier?

[Van Lathan]

Damn.

[Joel]

Hold him accountable, Tate. Hold him accountable, man.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, Shut up. I did say that. All right.

[Joel]

What am I going to do with this guy?

[Van Lathan]

What am I doing with this guy? What am I doing with this guy? Huh? Huh? I did say that at that time. I said the best one loss team is not. Is a two loss team against Notre Dame. So this is why.

[Tate]

It's a great answer at the time.

[Van Lathan]

I loved it and it is. It is a great answer at the time. And I still think that it is. You could argue it, but let me tell you, if we're talking about frauds now, if we're talking about frauds, then you have to look at a team that has not played or beaten one. They've played great teams, but have not beaten one great team. And when you look at everything else, is it possible that Notre Dame makes it to the playoff having lost to the only two good teams that are on their schedule? And if that is the case, that is kind of the thing that people were talking about with the playoffs as it relates to people like Notre Dame that would have those type of schedules. Would you think that a team that played two great teams, lost to both of those great teams, close, competitive games, right? One on the road, one at home, should make it over somebody else that kind of navigated a gauntlet and got there? Right now, Indiana is different because Indiana went to Austin and beat Oregon. Now, no matter how good you think Oregon is, no matter what you think about Oregon, that is one of the toughest venues to play in in college football. And they went up there and they beat them. I give them credit for that. So frauds, maybe. Who, who, who knew Penn State would suck as much as they would have? But as far as Notre Dame, Notre Dame is just. They're in a situation to where starting off 02 with those two games, how can you know how good they are when they have in fact not beaten anybody? That's really good.

[Tate]

And again, it comes back to style points, right? It feels like fashion over function is sort of how we're operating as a committee, right? We like the fashion of Notre Dame because they look like they those games. And there's a questionable holding call against Texas A and M. And then there's the Miami field goal that they make. That really wasn't a great decision by Cristobal, but it kind of works out for him. So it does feel like the fashion of how they've lost is more important than the function of the fact that they actually lost the games. Joel, do you think that they were fraud still on the board or are you going to be there?

[Joel]

A couple of frauds and they're a little bit low, they're a little bit lower, and so maybe they won't come up and bite anything. But, man, why is. What is Michigan done to be ranked over Virginia and Louisville like that? I mean, that's. If I'm the acc, I'm like, what are you guys talking about? They've played two of the top seven schools in the Big Ten. So those are the programs with two or fewer conference losses. Lost to both. They beat Nebraska. Great.

[Tate]

Lost to Oklahoma in dominating fashion. Lost to usc. We saw that game in person.

[Van Lathan]

We watched it.

[Joel]

Yeah, yeah. The big, the Big Ten teams they've beaten this year have a 8 and 24 combined record in conference league, and that includes windless Michigan State and Purdue. Right. So then they get Northwestern, who's 3 and 3 in conference play. Maybe they'll beat that. Then they get my boys, the Terps, struggling this year, one in five in conference play. You know, Mike, man, I hope you're going to be able to hold on, bro. And then they get Ohio State and I think so I think the Michigan thing is going to solve itself because they're going to probably. I mean, you know, I'm sure these are going to be famous last words, but I think the Buckeyes are going to exact some revenge against them this year or whatever. But, like, even, even if you just did eye test, like, what have you seen out of Michigan this year that makes you think that they're a good team? Right? I don't. We keep waiting for this Bryce Underwood breakout and I'm just like, oh, okay, I guess that'll just happen next year. Like, he's not bad, but he hasn't been exactly like what everybody thought he was going to be at the beginning of the year. So I think Michigan is a fraud and I think Tennessee is a fraud. They're down at number 23 again.

[Tate]

Who is the Nico Love coming back to the fourth?

[Joel]

Well, I'm just saying, what is my. Who is my boy beat man down there, bro? Like, they don't have a good win on their schedule. They've beaten Syracuse. They beat East Tennessee State, they beat uab. They beat Mississippi State by seven, Arkansas by three, and Kentucky by three scores.

[Tate]

But it goes back to style. Points, right? Joel, they almost beat Georgia.

[Van Lathan]

They almost beat Georgia at home.

[Joel]

They almost beat Georgia at home. Right. They didn't keep it close against Alabama, and they kind of kept it close against. They kept it close against OU at home. But, like, why are they. I would. It would just make more sense to rank James Madison over them. Like, we're done with you, Tennessee. Thanks for playing. But, you know, you, You. You can make your whole year by up Vanderbilt at the end of the year if you'd like. Right? And then we'll come back to you. But, like, we don't have to rank them and pretend that they've done anything this year.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, it's tough with this, with the way things are and kind of the staccato nature of these seasons. Look at what just happened to me. I watched Notre Dame earlier, and I was very impressed with Notre Dame, and I completely forgot that I was impressed with them. I guess this gives credence to Joel's amnesia thing. Now that I think about it, I forgot. Yeah, maybe. So maybe amnesia game. Maybe amnesia game. I said Jeremiah Love, like, all of that, but, you know, it's just so spread out. The question is this. Who isn't a fraud? Who do we know for sure is not a fraud?

[Joel]

That's a good question.

[Van Lathan]

Who. Like, who do we know for sure without a fraud? Like, what are the best wins this year for Ohio State?

[Joel]

Yeah, I mean, I mean, they beat Texas. I guess that counts as something. I mean, that's the thing about college. The thing is, though, is when you beat people's ass, it does kind of help the argument, right?

[Van Lathan]

Like, well, they didn't beat. They didn't. They didn't beat Texas Ass.

[Joel]

No, they didn't beat Texas at.

[Tate]

They say in the rest of their.

[Joel]

Games and the rest of their schedule, like, they handled it.

[Tate]

Washington first half was the only time we saw them slip up a little bit. Right.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, but bring up Ohio State schedule right now.

[Joel]

Yeah, I'm about to do it right now.

[Van Lathan]

Like, bring up Ohio State. And this is not an indictment of them. I think they're pretty clearly the best team in college football.

[Joel]

I mean, they beat Illinois where Illinois was ranked. They shot Wisconsin. They beat Penn state by. By 24. They beat Purdue by 24. I'm trying to look for the. They be grambling by 70.

[Van Lathan]

Damn.

[Tate]

No, but the Grambling Band won.

[Van Lathan]

Remember the Grambling Band won. We're going to talk about Grambling later on. But what I'm saying is, if you. If we're being fair about this, right, that Texas win is a good win. Texas has rebounded and rallied to be a good, solid team. But, you know, Texas is an overtime away from losing to Kentucky. Texas is a late rally away from losing to Mississippi State.

[Tate]

They also lost to Florida.

[Joel]

You know, they lost to Florida.

[Van Lathan]

But I'm just saying that you could look, Texas, I think we haven't really talked about sort of what Texas has done to kind of save their season and to continue playing hard and pulling out those close games, because it could really be over. They could be in an LSU situation right now, but they're not. They're in a situation where they still have a lot left to play for. But if you were. If you were looking at just resume, just resume, and you weren't looking at the. The blue chip ratio, the composite, any of that, stuff like that, you look at Ohio State schedule, and you'd be like, there's not a whole lot there that's impressive either in terms of what's going on. Now. You still got Michigan left to play, but there's not a lot there that tells you, based upon resume, that they are what we know them to be. But we just know Jeremiah Smith, Carnell Tate saying Caleb Downs. We just know what's on the team, and that's a part of it, and it's going to be a part of it as we kind of evaluate these things going forward.

[Joel]

Yeah, no, I mean, I feel. I feel the same way. I mean, the thing is, is. And maybe this is just a larger complaint or argument, the last round of realignment was just so dumb. I just think. I mean, because, like, it would just be. It was better when we had more leagues, when the Pac12 was a real viable league, because now we have these unbalanced schedules and teams.

[Tate]

I mean, now. Now you. You can hide just based on your schedule. And again, these schedules are made years in advance, so it's not like it was made at the time. Same start of the year, and they're trying to hide certain teams. It just kind of is what it is. But.

[Joel]

Right. Nobody.

[Tate]

20 teams is tough.

[Joel]

Yeah, right. Yeah. But it's just like, you just. It's really tough to know, even within a conference these days, like, how good teams are until they actually get to the end of the year. And so, you know, I hope one day, sometime in the next decade, I'm sure they're going to resolve this. And they're going to. They're going to right size FBS or whatever. But until then, we just. Yeah, like, it's an open question about how many frauds there are in the top 25. It could be a lot of them.

[Tate]

A whole lot. Let's go to the overreaction of the week. This is a pit. Head coach Pat Narduzzi, he was asked whether Notre Dame, the Notre Dame game this weekend, which college game day will be at, is a quote unquote, must win. And here's what he said.

[Van Lathan]

Do you feel like this is a.

[Joel]

Must win for this team when it comes to.

[Van Lathan]

Absolutely not. You know, it is not an ACC game. I'm glad you brought that up. It's not an ACC game. You know, I gladly get beat 103 or 110 to 10 in that game. They can put 100 up on us.

[Joel]

As long as we win the next two after that.

[Van Lathan]

But again, our fol Notre Dame and getting as many wins as we can.

[Tate]

So there you have it. Narduzzi says he doesn't care if they lose 110 to 10 in that game. He said that Notre Dame could put up a hundred on us as long as we win the next two after that. So he is loyal to his ACC run, but also, I don't think they need to lose to Notre Dame 110 to 10. A very strange comment. Van, have you ever heard a coach basically say they don't care how bad they lose to a team?

[Van Lathan]

Joel, what the hell is this guy talking about?

[Joel]

Bruh, that was crazy. I mean, dog, again, you're in the acc, man. Like, don't devalue your league. It's like, well, I don't care. We might get our ass kicked by this better team, but as long as we good in the acc, I'll be straight. And also, what are you messaging? You talked about this, Van. Dogs. Would a dog look at that and want to play for that guy? You know, I mean, like, it was like, oh, yeah, we might, you know, he didn't say we might, but he's like, I don't care if we lose by 100. Get the out of here, man.

[Tate]

He started with 103, which is a very specific number, too. He was like, I don't care if they score 103. And then he changed it to 110. I'm like, is he already envisioning what.

[Joel]

The score is going to be with the way 103 to 10 in the last couple of meetings? So maybe that's What? Oh, wow.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tate]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

With the way Pittsburgh playing and the way their young quarterback is coming on, does it. Pitt stand a good chance against Notre Dame this weekend? What's the line on that game?

[Tate]

11 and a half. It's a big line.

[Van Lathan]

It's a big. That's a big number. That's a big number out there. And get up. But, but, but I. I don't know. It's just. It's just to me, it. I. That wasn't very inspiring. To me, that wasn't inspiring at all. Although I will say that, like, he is trying to dick ride the acc, Joe, which is what you wanted. You wanted the acc.

[Joel]

Well, no, I don't think. I think that's the wrong way to dick ride. Cause you just be like, look, I play in a tough conference. I'll be. I'll be. We'll. We'll be ready and we'll show up and we'll beat anybody. Like, every game is a must win. Every game is a must win. Every game, you gotta go one. And, oh, you know, in the acc, we're prepared for games like this. Notre Dame is nothing. It's the same as preparing for Georgia Tech. You could say some shit like that.

[Tate]

You could also bring up that Boston College had them on the ropes for a little bit. You know what I mean? If you wanted to actually talk about the acc, you could actually get the.

[Van Lathan]

Bottom of our league.

[Joel]

Had them in hell for a little bit. Right?

[Van Lathan]

So, Joel, I guess my question is, you say that's the wrong way to dick ride. The wrong way to ride. What's the right way, Joel? What would be your technique? Like what would you. Like what?

[Joel]

Like, would y' all ship your gift?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Joel]

See, man.

[Van Lathan]

Joe, tell us what's the right way? Cause you said that there's a wrong way. So what's the right way to.

[Joel]

I'm not gonna be toxic. I'm not gonna be afraid to Elab on the. On how to dick ride. Please.

[Tate]

It's our most popular.

[Joel]

I got nothing to prove, okay? I got to prove. I just told you. I told you the right way to dick ride. The right. The right way to dick ride is say, hey, look, this Notre Dame is an impressive team, but we're not afraid of them. We get challenged like that in the ACC all the time. Every game is a must win game. Yeah. Every week when you play at Pittsburgh, you play at Universalburg Panthers. Every game is a must win game.

[Van Lathan]

Ride that dick, Joe.

[Joel]

That's right. That's right.

[Tate]

All right. Also by the way some. Some legendary players came out of.

[Joel]

I mean, the thing is, I just point that out. I mean, not to. I'm not trying to be nasty, but like, I mean. I mean, I've. I mean, we're dos. We know what dick riding is. You know what I'm saying? I mean, like, I mean, maybe I would have some opinions on what the right way to dick riding.

[Van Lathan]

I'm just saying.

[Joel]

I mean, you know what I'm saying. If you think about it in that way, it doesn't have to be as homophobic as you were trying to make it to.

[Van Lathan]

What are you talking about? See what I'm saying? I was getting to. Wow. It's not at all. I celebrate it, whoever is doing it. I just wanted you to say it's not about me. But I'll tell you, I'll send you clips of what I've seen out there, what I admire. So don't get me started. I'll try to keep that out of this podcast. But I just wanted you. You said, what's the right way? This is what I. Let me ask.

[Joel]

Did I give you the right way? Do you accept?

[Van Lathan]

Okay, I do. Let me answer the question the way I think I would say it. I think that what the acc. I'm being serious now. The ACC has a lot of history in their conference. They have the history of Florida State, the history of Miami. They have a lot of history in their conference, A lot of great moments in their conference. These are schools where football matters.

[Tate]

A lot of great players, too. I mean, Megatron at Georgia Tech. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Megatron like Donovan, Syracuse, Herman Moore, Virginia at Boston College. Tony Dorset at Pitt. Yeah.

[Tate]

Aaron Donald at Pit.

[Van Lathan]

Donald at Pitt.

[Tate]

Incredible.

[Van Lathan]

Stand up.

[Joel]

Doug Fluty, Boston College. There you go.

[Van Lathan]

Like, come on, man. It's the AC seeing this Atlantic Coast Conference. The fuck we talking about? We not playing, bruh? You remember. Let me tell you something. Speaking of Notre Dame and Boston College. Remember when Notre Dame had the national championship locked up and then they lost? Spilled fucking spaghetti sauce all over it, Losing the Boston College, Florida State, a different ACC team won the national championship. Cause the ACC is where it's at, baby.

[Tate]

Accomplished greatness, I'm saying, I think.

[Joel]

I feel like that was a Glen Foley Boston College team that did that to Notre Dame. And it's funny you said that because that was a Lou Holtz team. And Lou Holtz was like the master of poor mouthing, right? Like, he'd be like, well, I just don't even know. The best example was before they played in The Orange bowl against Florida State, I think it was 96. And he said, this is probably the least talented team I've had at Notre Dame. And that's the kind of like, if you, like if you're going to be Lou Holtz when you do it, if you're going to be the godfather of the poor mouth in your squad to do it like that, don't do what the fuck Pat Narduzzi was doing.

[Tate]

Like Spurrier, you know, like Spurrier used to get his whole team. He's like, you know, we. We went to practice day. Guys can't throw the ball. Guys can't catch the ball. Right. You know, and it's. But it's just kind of to fire up and motivate your team. This did not feel like an effort to fire up your team. This felt like, I don't care about Notre Dame.

[Van Lathan]

The Clemson. Think about what Clemson been doing in the last couple of Clemson, man. Trevor Lawrence, Desean Watson. Remember, go back in the day. C.J. smith spilling. We, we. We know what's going on in the.

[Joel]

AC C. You don't have to do it. Smu, great play. Good playoff. A playoff team, you know, first year there, you can.

[Van Lathan]

They don't count, but.

[Joel]

Yeah, well, I mean, we're taking the pony express.

[Van Lathan]

Florida, they just got to that.

[Joel]

Eric Dickerson, you're in Miami shouldn't count them because none of their great moments have happened in acc.

[Van Lathan]

That's kind of true. That's actually kind of true.

[Billy Gill]

We're taking it.

[Tate]

Yeah, we're taking it. ACC needs all the breaks they can get, but yeah, a very strange press conference. We'll see what happens in that game. We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, we're going to talk the biggest games of week 12, some of our favorite other matchups, a little big van on campus and Billy Gill is going to come in and set the record straight for what we talked about today. We'll be right back after the break. Ringer Tailgate is brought to you by FanDuel. Ready to fire up your Saturday's. FanDuel's got a boost you don't want to miss. It's called boosting with the boys and it's giving everyone a college football profit boost every single week. This week I like the Notre Dame Fighting Irish to cover the big line, minus eleven and a half. Just because Pat Narduzzi said that they would win by a hundred points. We're talking real games, real teams, real Saturdays with an extra payout. On the line. It's easy, it's fun and it's only on FanDuel. Go to FanDuel.com Tailgate to download the app, check out the boost and what the boys offer and get in on the action now. Must be 21 or older and President select states are 18 and older and President DC, Kentucky or Wyoming. Opt in required bonus issued as non withdrawable profit boost tokens. Restrictions apply including any token expiration and max wager amount. See [e-mail] gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit rg-help.com, call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut this.

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[Tate]

All right, we're back. Ring your tailgate. Big games this weekend. A little note here at the top. Before we get into the actual games, we're going to be going Live a little bit later this week. We have heard the people, the people have been chiming in. They have said that Saturday, the live show, we have been doing it at 7, you know, Eastern Time, 4 Pacific Time. We're kind of in the middle of that second window. There's been a lot of games that we've kind of been talking as they're happening. So people have been pointing this out. So we're going to push it back to 6 Pacific and 9 Eastern. Joel, you're a trooper for making this work. But that, that's the plan this week. And we're going to lead right into Todd McShay and Minch as they get started with about five minutes to go in the last windows of games. Joel, is that okay for us?

[Joel]

I'm, I'm, I'm excited. My wife is not, but that's okay. You know, I got to manage the house, man. You know what I'm saying? This is what this, this, you know, you get the frame.

[Van Lathan]

Your wife is that your wife isn't excited about what now?

[Joel]

About me having to work late because, I mean, that takes me out of putting the kid, bathing the kids and putting them to bed and all that stuff. So it's just tough, man.

[Van Lathan]

So what time do they go to bed?

[Tate]

You get put up?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. What time?

[Joel]

It's usually, you know, somewhere between 7:30 to.

[Tate]

We don't start till 9.

[Van Lathan]

So who normally puts them to bed?

[Joel]

You put them to bed. Both of them.

[Tate]

Both teamwork.

[Joel]

I put my son, she takes the baby girl.

[Van Lathan]

But now you're saying that she's gonna have to put both children to bed.

[Joel]

Well, I mean, I'm probably gonna have to put them to bed, but that means that some of that's gonna be happening while the games are going on.

[Tate]

Right?

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

So you know what's crazy is if it was like, I don't know, like 3,000 years ago, you wouldn't even be there. Okay, you know where you'll be? You'll be with me and Tate.

[Joel]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

And we would have spears and we would be out hunting. We would be tracking a boar or an elk. And we would be going, da ba, da ba, da da ba, whatever. And we would be trying to like, chasing the buffalo out there and kill the thing. And your wife's job would be this amazing job of, of hunting small game. Cause women hunted and hunted. They hunted small game, rabbits, things like squirrels around that while we were off hunting the big game, you know what I mean? And now, guess what? We don't get to hunt the big game of college football anymore. You gotta come on here and tell everybody how your people is mad at you because you got to do this college football thing. Joe.

[Joel]

Well, you know, there's two things. So. Even a generation ago, the men in my life don't understand this. This is like, we. You have a job, you know?

[Van Lathan]

Right.

[Joel]

I mean, it could be, you know, so. But so things have changed. And also, look, I mean, I. This is not a punishment. I love my kids. I like.

[Van Lathan]

It's not the way to stop. Don't try to clean this shit up. That's why I don't like putting my little bro. I know that you love that, right? I'm talking low right now so she doesn't hear me. That's not. That's besides the point, right? I'm not acting like I would never. The things that are getting said right now are about to get said lower. So nobody comes in here and goes, stop playing with your little friends on the computer. I know how it goes. Well, like, what I'm saying right now is, when are we gonna stand up? Like, when will we stand up? Like, when will we stand up? There's a time. Shouldn't we. Shouldn't you just go in there and be like, hey.

[Tate]

I got a podcast.

[Joel]

I got a neck issue. Yeah, right here.

[Van Lathan]

Where my tamales at? Shouldn't that be what it is that we do? We not like that.

[Joel]

Yo, it's a whole new generation. I agree. Look, I understand. I get where you coming from.

[Tate]

Joseph is the new day.

[Joel]

Cause sometimes I feel, you know, I'm just like, yeah, man. You know, my dad never. You know, he just got. I gotta go out of town for work. You know, that was it. Sometimes it was like that. But it's just a different time. You know what I'm saying? And I want my wife to be happy. I want, you know, I don't want to miss, you know, being here for my kids. And I appreciate you all understanding and working with.

[Van Lathan]

Course we do. Of course we do. I'm still gonna send you some more videos. You got a lot of videos that's coming. All right. What's the nigga that want? Hey, what's the nigga that run 105 miles without stopping? He be on Joe Rogan. What's his name?

[Joel]

Oh, the Super.

[Van Lathan]

Y' all know what I'm talking about? No. You never heard. Y' all never seen this guy? Y' all know this guy? This. The black Marine, and he runs 5,000 miles a day. Every time I want to do something I watch one of this guy's videos, and this guy's like, you get the fuck up. You only got one life. He literally runs like 100 mile marathons. You know what I'm talking about? Y' all never seen this? Goggins. David Goggins. I know. Freeze would know, man. I like.

[Joel]

Who be running.

[Tate]

David Goggins.

[Van Lathan]

David Goggins. Y' all don't know David Goggins?

[Joel]

I never heard of David.

[Tate]

I know him now. Years old.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, that's how I know. Y' all not pushing yourselves, man. Y' all not pushing yourselves. Y' all never heard of Goggins?

[Tate]

Broggins.

[Joel]

Hey, wait, hold on. Have y'.

[Van Lathan]

All.

[Joel]

Have y'. All. Have y' all ever. Have y' all ever run a half marathon or marathon? Yeah, over the. Done anything like that?

[Van Lathan]

N. I didn't. I'm not doing that type of. I used to run a lot. I used to run five miles and stuff. Have. But. But I. I never ran one of those before. I'm not with that time of dumbass.

[Joel]

That's not. See, that a dumbass, bro.

[Tate]

That's. My grandpa had a good line when people had the 13.1 on their car. He was like, you know what that says to me? They're a half ass.

[Joel]

Wow. I was like, is that the grandfather that fought in Iima? Yeah.

[Tate]

It's a good line.

[Joel]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, yeah, it's good. I. I wouldn't tell him nothing, though.

[Joel]

Yeah, man, he don't.

[Tate]

He said he only does 26.2. He said he doesn't do 13.1.

[Van Lathan]

There's only one time I ever argue with a World War II veteran. My homeboy.

[Joel]

Y' all gotta want to hear the end.

[Van Lathan]

My homeboy's grandfather, he was cool as fuck, right? I used to talk to him, right? And he would tell me, you know, he would say stuff about the Tuskegee Airmen. He was cool. He was cool as shit. Then one day I was walking down to talk to him. It's back in Louisiana. And he goes, hey, on your way down here, can you grab that bowl of nigger toes?

[Joel]

Oh, God.

[Van Lathan]

It's a big bowl of Brazil nuts.

[Joel]

Oh, man.

[Van Lathan]

And this was one of those van moments where I was like, you know, this guy's old as shit, you know, and do you just let this go, man? And I couldn't, man. I had to light the homie grandfather up, man. I had to fucking throw the Brazil nuts everywhere. I had to, like. He was sad. Cause he was so fucking fucked up racially that he didn't even realize that he had offended his favorite little nigga toe. And she. And so I had to freak out. And it was like, damn. I came home and I told my dad. My dad was like, well, he old. It's my only time. Are you Shout out. Happy Veterans Day, man.

[Joel]

This is the second time nigga toes have come up in my life. I actually literally texted nigga toes to my wife yesterday. She had said something. So my mother in law is here, and there was some game she was playing with my son, and she said something offensive. A problematic offensive game is happening with your son and some shoes. And my mother. You know, my mother. My wife is biracial, but she identifies. I know that this is interesting to you, man. My wife identifies as black, but she's biracial. Okay, but my mother.

[Van Lathan]

You're married.

[Joel]

Biracial. I'm married to a biracial. That's right.

[Van Lathan]

And.

[Joel]

And so I was like, well, what did she say? Your mom said toes or something. So anyway, it just. It's funny.

[Van Lathan]

How is that what she said, though?

[Joel]

Nah, she didn't. It was something else. It was something totally. It wasn't even that. It was just like he. My son started picking up the shoe and throwing it in the room. And so she was like that.

[Van Lathan]

She's like, that nigga's got an arm.

[Joel]

This is why Freez walked away from you, bro.

[Tate]

Is listening to AM radio right now.

[Joel]

Why don't y' all just move on ahead?

[Van Lathan]

Oh, my God, man.

[Joel]

Don't know how to act.

[Tate]

Let's flip forward. Let's do biggest games of week 12. We got him right here. Number 11, Texas at number 5, Georgia. Interesting wrinkle about this game. Billy Napier, former Florida coach, was at Georgia practice this week. Had a lot of Georgia people.

[Van Lathan]

George about to lose.

[Tate]

They brought him in.

[Joel]

Come on.

[Tate]

I think they brought him in for intel because Georgia beat. Or, sorry, Florida beat Texas.

[Billy Gill]

So.

[Tate]

I don't know.

[Joel]

Something.

[Van Lathan]

They got some nerve. I know that he was. Now I know that he has a past with Kirby Smart. Right? They were both.

[Tate]

Yeah. They worked together at Bama.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. So. But I'm sorry, bro. I'm not. I'm like. You know what I'm saying? I'm not. I'm not doing that. That's. I'd keep them far away, bro. Can I say something? This is not just one of the biggest games of this year. This is a huge fucking game, period, man. This is a huge cultural game in College football is a gigantic matchup. Think about the stakes that could possibly be at play here. Right. Arch Manning. You have that storyline where Arch Manning is going up against a really talented team. If he continues his ascension, maybe this is the game that Arch Manning becomes the guy that we thought he was going to become. You have Steve Sarkeesian. Right. Who some people are whispering even though there's been huge denials that might be looking around. Maybe there's an NFL job out there for Steve Sarkeesian. Right. Maybe if the college thing gets a little bit too complicated and too tough for him, he'll start looking around at other jobs. Jobs. Right. Then you have the Georgia situation, besides them bringing in mediocre coaches to come in and hang out, which I don't understand. Right. But you have Georgia in a situation where they are no longer dominant. The only way that Georgia is dominant right now is in the win loss, and it's very important to be dominant in the win loss. Do not get me wrong, it is important to win football games, but the brand of football being played at Georgia right now is not what we have become accustomed to in the last five to seven years. So the question is, is Georgia going to show their dominance? Is Sarkeesian going to stick it out in Texas with performances by teams with teams that can overwhelm their opponents? Arch Manning, Texas, this season, being on the line, all of this stuff, it's all happening right here in this game is a big game. I don't think people are even. This is a big game. It's a big game, guys. Big game alert.

[Joel]

Well, I mean, it's like also the thing about Texas. So this is an important three game stretch for them, man. They get. They get this game at Georgia and then they get the two schools that hate them the most to close out the year. They got Arkansas and then they got Texas A and M. Right. So those are the two schools. I would argue that those schools hate them even more than Oklahoma. Just from, you know, Arkansas hate Georgia the most. No, Arkansas hates Texas.

[Tate]

Texas.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, Texas the most.

[Joel]

Yeah.

[Tate]

I think A and M might hate him the most.

[Joel]

A and M hates them the most. I think Arkansas is number two.

[Van Lathan]

Then.

[Joel]

I think ohu's number three. Yeah, right.

[Tate]

Oh, you and Texas kind of have this weird. Like they hate each other, but they kind of respect. You know what I mean?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel]

It's just like we're on a different level than y'. All. That's why they went to the SEC together. Right. Like, they think of themselves sort of. Yeah. But anyway, but so I think it's important also to point out that Arch is so much better than the last time. Everybody was really checking in on him.

[Van Lathan]

Like, it's so true, bro.

[Joel]

Yeah, like, man, bro. Since week seven. And I got this from pff, Shout out Max and Dalton over there. Since week seven, Arch has the 12th best passing grade in the nation. Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Pretty impressive.

[Joel]

So he's done all right. And I. I even went offline. I asked our dude, Quincy Avery, who's been a notable arch fucking critic. Yeah, arch critic. And so I asked him about the Will Howard thing because we talked about that the other week. Like, who would you take? Archer? Will Howard. And he said, I would take Will. But he didn't say. Like, it was crazy. He's like, my arch is shown. He's getting a little bit better. And like, you know, if I had to take before the long term, I would take Arch, obviously. So I was like, arch is showing. Like, it would have seemed absurd to set that two months ago, but now Arch looks a lot better. He's been playing a lot better. The issue is, like, is anybody going to help him? Like, his offensive line going to be able to hold up, right? Is he. Are they going to be able to generate some sort of a running game? If they can't do that, it'll probably.

[Tate]

Is the defense going to help him? Really?

[Joel]

I mean, bro, look, man, Colin Simmons, again, no disrespect to Brian Oracpo, I'm familiar with your game, brother. You know what I'm saying? But Colin Simmons, disrespectful Colin Simmons. Look, man, ask. Ask our friend Brian Curtis, man. Colin Simmons is a one of one at Texas. In my lifetime, there's never been anybody like him. There's. I'm sorry, that's a bad man.

[Van Lathan]

It's gonna be a great game.

[Tate]

And I will say, last year, remember when Texas had game day and they had all the A list stars that were there, right? They kind of. They got everybody there for that game against Georgia, and Georgia absolutely embarrassed them. Maybe there's some redemption there for Texas, you know, to go down to Athens.

[Joel]

Georgia is the last mountain for Texas to scale in the sec. Like, that's the one that they beat Bama at. Bama, you know, they've shown that they can compete with everybody, but. But they've not done it to Georgia yet. This is, you know, yet another chance for them to. To pass that test.

[Tate]

And Kirby is the guy in the sec still is. So I mean, this is also for Sark to maybe knock him off a little bit as well. We also have number 12, Oklahoma at number 4, Alabama. Iowa number 20. At number 17, USC. Number 9, Notre Dame at number 23, Pittsburgh. So those four games all going to be really good games this weekend. Is there a chance that Oklahoma could shock the world this weekend? Van, do you buy the idea that they maybe could, you know, shock the system?

[Van Lathan]

Lost in the LSU loss from last week where we got some of the worst quarterback play I've ever seen.

[Joel]

Damn.

[Tate]

Yeah, he was bad.

[Van Lathan]

Jared Lee is somewhere laughing right now.

[Joel]

Damn. Jared Lee. What a name.

[Van Lathan]

Shout out to Jared Lee who I feel like wasn't. Those are. Those are two super talented guys that weren't used right. How about that? How about I say that? How about I say what's up to Jordan Jefferson and what's up to Jerry Lee? Both of those guys had some talent and they weren't used right or developed properly. That's what I'm saying. But I can tell you one thing. Garrett Nussmeier love what he has done and meant for lsu, but that boy was in hell last year. Last week, should I say now, lost in that was the fact that Alabama didn't play very well. And that's just a fact. I'm not saying that the LSU defense is not good. It is a good defense, right? But I'm saying that like Alabama has having problems right now pushing the ball down the field and they look vulnerable. They are a good team. This is not hate. I do hate them, but this is not hate. They are a good team. If Oklahoma comes in and plays the right type of football game, they can beat Alabama. Alabama. Everybody's talking about the fact that Alabama is not dead. That you know the tales of their demise as they were spoken earlier in this season and after the retirement of Nick Saban. Those tales have been overtold. And I don't think that they have. I really don't. I think that the version of Alabama that existed during that Saba era is in fact dead. There is a new version and that version is dead. Damn fucking good. But they can be beat. And if Oklahoma has the right type of game plan and if they play the right type of game, they can beat Alabama. That's going to be an entertaining one.

[Joel]

Oh yeah, I agree. I mean, I don't. Bama is very good, but also very gettable, man. And I mean the one thing. So last year one of the most puzzling final scores was Oklahoma 24, Alabama three. Right. And like Jackson, Arnold played a big role in that game as well. But it was like you, Brit Venables had that Bama, that Kaylin Deborah offense in hell, man. And so I just. I don't know. Like, I think I'm. I'm not necessarily picking ou, but, man. Oh, you. I mean, they're first nationally in tackles for loss, number three in sacks and TDs allowed and rushing TDs allowed. Like, they could easily make Bama one dimensional. Bama has not yet established that he could run the ball. Yeah, I don't know.

[Tate]

But you get.

[Joel]

But the other part of that is that I don't think. Oh, you has played all that well either. They haven't. They're not that, you know, they're not as good as their record, I don't think so. It'll. It'll be interesting to see who emerges here. I. I predict it'll be a low score game, though.

[Tate]

But those will be two really good games and kind of table setters for the rest of the season in the sec. Just quickly on lsu. Van, Someone sent me a funny meme. It was, you know, like, when you look through the. You know, it kind of like fades into the person. So they started with Nuss Meyer and they cleaned the glasses and it turned into Max Johnson at lsu. So I thought that was. Thought that was something that you would laugh at, maybe.

[Van Lathan]

Who is that person who sent you?

[Tate]

That friend of mine. He's an Ole Miss fan.

[Van Lathan]

Tell him I said fuck him. How's that?

[Tate]

I'll clip that. That'll be good.

[Van Lathan]

It's very true, though. It's very true. It's not very.

[Tate]

I forgot that Max Johnson was even at lsu. That's how, you know, that's what he was.

[Van Lathan]

He was. And won a couple of big games. But, like, what, What. I guess what I'll say is, like, just if we haven't done the gates of hell in a while, we'll do it next week. I think LSU right now is the number one hell team in all of college football. You thought it was Clemson. No. You thought it was Florida State. No. For a while you thought Texas was in hell. That turned out to be not even purgatory. Right. Like the number one hell team. The number one we are in hell team in college football is not Clemson. It's not Florida State, it's lsu. We are in the most hell. We got people fighting at all levels of government. The coach is suing. This is hell. This is hell.

[Joel]

Pay that man what you owe lsu. Don't do that.

[Van Lathan]

All right? Watch. Don't be that. Don't be. Don't.

[Joel]

That's some ho.

[Tate]

Shit.

[Van Lathan]

Pay that man what he own.

[Joel]

Give him his $53 million, man.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, well, I'm telling you what I told y' all guys what the discovery is called. Max said. He said, eat what you got. I'm telling you, pay that man.

[Joel]

Stop being. Stop being welchers.

[Van Lathan]

Okay. Okay. That's what most people, by the way, I gotta know. That's probably. I bet you. I bet you if I look it up, the term welching is wrong and you can't say it no more.

[Joel]

Let's see.

[Van Lathan]

I bet you. I bet you right now. I bet you right now Billy says it's problematic.

[Tate]

Boom.

[Van Lathan]

And if anybody would know, it would be B. G. Yeah. The brothers. What did I get?

[Joel]

I mean, it is something I've only.

[Van Lathan]

Read in old book, because here's the deal. Every single term Welsh. Every single term that is used to describe some type of action or behavior that was created back in the day by Tate's people. Every single term is bad in some way. Every single term is referring to some group. Every term is funny. That's why I say just fuck it. Let us every. Since everybody got one, that's actually pretty. That's actually. I think that that's a sign that we love each other. Since every. Every group has their own term like sucker. Let's use them all.

[Tate]

All right, let's. Let's go to favorite other matchup on the board. Billy's having a great time laughing at. At our. At our time here. Favorite other matchup on the board. Joel, do you have a game that stands out to you?

[Joel]

Looks like Bill is in a hotel, but we can talk about that later. So it just. You have a hotel background, it looks like, to me. So I'm just gonna. I'm gonna be. I'm gonna do a van here for a second and talk about TCU. Okay. Because TCU's playing at BYU. PFF has them. Is a top 25 team according to the power rankings, even though they're 6 and 3 and they don't have a chance of playing in the Big 12 championship game this week. So BYU is coming off that ass kicking in Lubbock. Right. If they're the second best team in the league, they should be able to get over it and handle a team that I don't find to be especially dynamic or disciplined or anything. Like. Like the TCU has two great whiteouts, Eric McAllister and Jordan Tyson, I think is his name.

[Tate]

Dwyer.

[Joel]

Dwight Jordan Dwyer. That's right, the Jordan Dwyer.

[Tate]

Trust me, I'll never forget that name.

[Joel]

That's right. That's right.

[Tate]

Jordan, you all up where my.

[Joel]

Arizona State. That's right. That's right. That's right. So I'm very frustrated with my frogs, and I've been having a debate with some of my friends that cover sports in that part of the country about, like, what is a reasonable expectation for tcu. I don't think it's crazy to think that they should be in the top quadrant of the Big 12. They're sitting in the best recruiting. Recruiting ground in the whole damn conference, and they're already out of it in early November. That just doesn't make any sense to me. I'm not saying that that means we need to fire Sonny Dykes, because who the hell we don't get right now, right? Like, I don't know, you know, what. Who's out there for us or whatever, But I'm just. I'm just very frustrated. They like that. The people are like, oh, well, man, everybody can't be good. Everybody. I mean, God damn, man. I mean, so we're.

[Tate]

So BYU is also acceptable.

[Joel]

BYU is better than us. I just. I just don't want to do that. That is not. That does not feel good to me. And if we're going to do this thing, let's go ahead and do it. So this would be a really good time for TCU to step up. BYU is reeling. They got embarrassed last week. You know what I'm saying? They got. They get a chance to regroup at home, but, like, this is an opportunity for TCU to show who they really are, if they're as good as these ratings say that they are. So, yeah, let's see. Step up. Do something out there in Provost. Frogs. Let's see. Something like frogs.

[Van Lathan]

The freaky frogs. Text A. I don't know why I said that. Texas. What happened? I glitched out. It happens. My favorite of the matchup is by far Florida versus Ole Miss. Oh, Florida remains.

[Tate]

The Lane Kiffin Bowl.

[Van Lathan]

The Lane Kiffin Bowl. Florida remains a team that has guys on the team that can play. Right? Ole Miss is a team that is a very good team, but we still have questions. They're still answering questions. And halfway of the reason that I think that Lane Kiffin was talking the way he was about the top of the conference is because maybe this game has him a little nervous. Maybe he's a little nervous now. I think this is an Ole Miss dub. I think they gonna eat dub. But at the same time, there's gonna be a game with a lot of Talent on the field. And I wanna see how the Ole Miss Rebels respond and whether or not Florida is still playing hard with their season being squarely in hell like LSU's.

[Joel]

Well, they look like they get. They let go of the ghost last week, up big against Kentucky. I mean, that was like. It was like, all right. It's like, you know, playing hard and all. That was cool. But now it's like, all right, what do we.

[Tate]

Well, now we're in the portal.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Yeah. But I still think that there's. There's some spark there. I think you're going to get a spirited effort for him. I'd be surprised if this game was a. Was a. Was a massacre.

[Tate]

Also, their interim coach got asked about Lane Kiffin's fit in Gainesville. So I feel like that might be something that could be used as bulletin board material during his press conference. Some other notable games that are out there, Clemson at number 19, Louisville. That's on Friday. ACC Freaky Fridays have been interesting, to say the least. I did want to ask you guys, how many minutes, seconds did you watch of Clemson, Florida State last weekend? Do you even know the score of that game?

[Joel]

It was 24 to 10, right?

[Tate]

Yeah, 24 to 10. Clemson won that game. Good job by you.

[Joel]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tate]

I'm just like.

[Van Lathan]

I watched.

[Tate]

I forgot. I forgot.

[Van Lathan]

I watched a little bit of it. I watched a little bit of it. But it is.

[Tate]

Should have been one of the best games of the season in the acc.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, people in hell.

[Joel]

I mean, Florida State, man. I mean, you know, I mean, like, they got so they. I mean, the thing is, it really was hurtful because they got set up for such a big fall like they should, not. Like they had no business beating Alabama. And it happened. And then they've been spending all year like, well, damn, man, Alabama's up here. What happened to us? But it was like, no, you guys were just never as good as it seemed like you were in that first week of the season. But so, yeah, that was. That was a pretty bad showing, man. I mean, they made. They made it seem like Dabo had his little, you know, his groove back or something, you know?

[Tate]

Yeah, it was a good night for Dabo. We got number 25, USF at Navy salute to service. Maybe Navy. Navy can make some noise and ruin USF chances to make the playoffs. We got Arizona at number 22, Cincinnati. We got number 20, Virginia at Duke. NC State at number 16, Miami. Watch out for NC State. They already kind of ruined Georgia Tech's run. They might do the same thing to.

[Joel]

Miami is that your boy smothers Hollywood.

[Tate]

Hollywood might be up at LSU next year when Van, you know, cuts the check for him. We got Maryland at Illinois, Wisconsin at number two, Indiana abstate at James Madison. That's kind of like an old Cinderella versus a new Cinderella. That'll be a fun game. Number 13, Utah, Baylor, and then Boise State at San Diego State. Watch out for the Aztecs. They are circling as well as a team that could be that G5 spot. So San Diego State, another team to keep an eye on. Van, I'll throw it to you now. Big van on campus. What's on your mind?

[Van Lathan]

Watch out for the Aztecs. Last person said Cortez, man. Watch out for the Aztecs. Look, you guys, something happened. It was at a swag game. It was a fight.

[Tate]

Oh, no.

[Van Lathan]

And it was a fight between Gramling and Bethune Cookman. Now, Grambling was able to win this game after Bethune Cookman was talking a lot of shit before the game kicked off, right? They were talking a lot of stuff on old social media. But the game was up there in Rustin, Louisiana. Grambling, Louisiana. Grambling. And was able to win the game. But that's not the most important thing that happened. The most important thing that happened was a fight. Now look, a lot of people would say that, Van, you shouldn't be highlighting a fight at a HBCU game. Because I don't give a fuck about that. I'll tell you right now. Because young men fight no matter who they are. And there's fights at all levels and all conferences and all of that. And this is no different than any other fight. That's why we're going to score this fight. Okay, we're going to run the video below here. There are two different angles in this video. The question is not who won this game. The question is who won this fight. In order to score this fight, we're going to use the boxing system, which is a 10 point must system. Every single boxing ring, excuse me, every single boxing round is scored with the winner getting 10 points, right? So it's like 10 to 9, 10 to 8, 10 to 7 based on knockdowns. All right? The first fight is number 23 for Gramlin versus number 11 for Bethel.

[Tate]

Two good numbers.

[Van Lathan]

Cookman. This is a very clear victory. Look at 23. 23. He's got his hands up, he's got his set up, he's ready to go. And then he does something that some of my G's out here in California called turning down the fade. He turned that fade down. You can't do all of this 23 and then not do anything. You gotta go get it in blood, as the kids say. You wanna go get. That's not what he does. He turns down the fade. He turns down the fade. That is a forfeit. Ten, nine for Bethune Cookman. Then they try to crowd. Oh, my God. Number 39 for Gramlin gets in one shot on number 11 for Bethune Cookman. Then he's got two compadres that run in as well. Look at what is happening. I give number 11 for Bethune Cookman. So much credit because he did two things. He still made it. The oncoming rush. Then he turns around and knocks somebody down.

[Joel]

Yeah, that's a dog right there, bro.

[Van Lathan]

That's a dog. That's a 10. That's a 10. Eight round for Bethune Cook Me.

[Joel]

Look at 11. Oh, boy.

[Van Lathan]

Graham, where you at? There's an alternate view of this fight. An alternate view of the fight shows something very disturbing. It's nothing to do with the fight that's happening on the field. An alternate view of the fight shows something that I cannot abide by. And that's the Grambling Band. The Grambling Band is watching this happen and they're not playing anything at all.

[Tate]

Oh, we need a soundtrack. We need a score.

[Van Lathan]

They didn't play nothing. I cannot believe that this happened to Graham. They didn't play nothing. They should have been playing something. They should have been playing that fight night. If you know me, you know. But they should have. They should have had something ready to go as soon as this fight flatlined by DJ Young.

[Joel]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel]

That'd have been a good one.

[Van Lathan]

Tell you what.

[Joel]

Okay. What the fuck?

[Van Lathan]

So dare play nothing. I'mma score that for Bethune cookman. That's a 10. Nine. That's unacceptable. They are at home. They people is fighting. They supposed to be playing something. Man. Play that old thuggish, ruggish bone. Play something.

[Joel]

Play something.

[Van Lathan]

While this fight is going on.

[Tate]

What about Sticky by Tyler, the Creator? That'd be nice too, you know. Sticky. Yeah, it's getting sticky.

[Van Lathan]

Play something. They played nothing. I watched on the field. Bethune Cookman take one guy and go up against everybody like he was fucking Jon Snow. Then I watched Gramlin turn down the fade. Then I watched the Gramlin ban not play anything. BC fucked Grambling up. The final score of this fight is 30 to 26. Bethune Cookman. They lost on the field, but they left North Louisiana, where Gramlin's nuts and that's what you get when you put your faith in Grambling. When you put your faith in Grambling, what you get is disappointment, because Grambling is the type of school that will disappoint you time and again. Grambling will lose cultural battles and football battles, all of that.

[Joel]

Southern Grambling.

[Van Lathan]

All right.

[Joel]

The Southern University Partisan came out. I knew. I knew, man. Cause, you know, I mean. I mean, you didn't give them no. No props whatsoever. They had some of them boys handling business out there, man. You know, I don't think you. I don't think. And also. I will also say, man, Grambling was episode one of the best fights I've ever seen. It was Grambling versus the Prairie View Band. For people that remember in 1998, them boys are swinging tubas, you know what I'm saying? Like, it was. That was. And Grambling, man, they. They. They. They've played. They had their fair share of fights. I. I don't think you being fair to them, because they really. Them boys show up for these fights, dog. Look at them. 98.

[Van Lathan]

What are you saying about them? They saying that they're. They're a bunch of violent. You saying that they're violent? Is that what you're saying there? Are you saying that they're a bunch of.

[Tate]

Joel's saying he thinks they won the fight.

[Joel]

I. I don't think they. I don't. I don't think anything happened. That was. Man, they had to get. Did you tell you the. Mickey Joseph, the. The coach of Grambling after the fight had been like, well, man, you know, that was Bethune Cookman's fault. And they were in the way on the. On the thing. And then he had to apologize later because he was like. It sounded like he was condoning, basically, the Grambling that got into a fight, and it was like, oh, maybe that's not exactly what you want to do. It's really sad because Grambling has just been struggling to, like, find its place in the world. And they had Hugh. Oh, boy.

[Van Lathan]

From the head coach.

[Joel]

Yeah, yeah. For a little bit.

[Van Lathan]

Cincinnati.

[Joel]

From Cleveland.

[Van Lathan]

Cleveland and Cincinnati. One of those.

[Tate]

I think. I think he's, like, at Georgia Southern now. He's like an O.C.

[Van Lathan]

It don't matter who Gramlin. Have they. Gramlin.

[Joel]

And that's the respect for Eddie Robinson, man. Show some respect.

[Van Lathan]

Eddie Robinson don't know. Hold on now.

[Joel]

The great.

[Van Lathan]

You know, I respect Eddie Robinson. It's some Baton Rouge in there. I respect Eddie Robinson. Right. But the problem with Grambling is that they grammar they got their asses whipped. Shout out to Bethune Cookman. All right, you didn't win on the field, but when it was time to knuckle up, man, number 11 for Bethune Cookman. Man, shout out to him. He threw a couple of Tigers around. That's what the fuck I'm talking about. I can't wait for a couple of weeks. I'm going to be in a wee mother. I can't wait for weeks, man. I can't wait to buy you. Classic. I'm telling you right now. Southern going to shock the world. I'm going to be there. Southern going shock the world in the Bayou Classic. When Gramlin walks into the Superdome, they just gonna be under the weight of all the tradition of getting their asses kicked. Quincy Richard, you know what the fuck I'm talking about. Like that. The people like that, nigga, don't get me started. Like, they are just gonna be under the thumb, the foot of the Southern University tradition. Don't get me started on this goddamn Southern University shit, bro.

[Joel]

Isaiah Washburn, Defense of Isaiah. Six, One, two, three. Red Shirt Junior. You know he played at Mercer for his first three seasons.

[Van Lathan]

Isaiah Washburn washed the entire Grambling squad. Shout out to Washburn. Put it down here, right? Watch out, Washburn. Isaiah Washburn took on the whole Grambling team and sent them back to the Piney Woods. Sent them back to Drew Hall, a place up there at Grambling. That's not a livable dorm, man.

[Joel]

Dog, come on, man. Come on, man. Man, Grambling, man, you know, I cover. You know, when they boycotted, when they. They were like, man, this is too. This. You know, all our shit is too fucked up for us to keep playing like this. Yeah, and they had to do it, man. And I went up there, man, and I took my mom. You know, my mom is from West Monroe, Louisiana, originally. So I took up there. So part of visit family. And we were driving around the Grambling campus, and we driving out on that little road back to the highway, back to. To 20. And I look at my mom, and she's crying, and she's like, I'm just. I'm just so sorry for. You know, how these kids have to cry.

[Van Lathan]

That's up, Joe. That's like, man, see, not even. I was just being a playful Southern.

[Joel]

Oh, man, my bad. Well, my mom felt bad. She felt.

[Tate]

Deep.

[Van Lathan]

Joe just said, y' all is so up, it made a black woman cry.

[Joel]

My mom, man. Hey, look, my mom is a UAPB grad, okay? Or UAPB Student. I ain't. I ain't. They have no right. They have no right.

[Van Lathan]

It's tough, just like, you know, it's tough sledding in the swack. We do our best. They're doing the best, but yeah. So shout out to Bethune Cookman for putting Gramlin back in their place. And Southern gonna do it again in a couple of weeks.

[Joel]

Isaiah Washburn.

[Van Lathan]

Isaiah Washburn. When we see a fight around here, somebody fighting somebody going against all the odds, you know what I'm saying? Saying there's a bunch of tigers at your doorstep. You know what I'm saying, Grandma Tigers. Not LSU Tigers. They the them up. But when. When. When we. We fight like Isaiah Washburn. Washburn from Clearwater, Florida, man.

[Joel]

Clearwater ain't no joke.

[Tate]

Clearwater, ho.

[Joel]

Cold water ain't no joke, man. It's on the water.

[Van Lathan]

Hulk Hogan from Clear. Actually, take that out. I'll him. But yeah, like, wash burn.

[Tate]

Love that big van on campus.

[Joel]

Yeah.

[Tate]

Shout out. You know, I. I like the play by play. I like the scoring. Let's bring in Billy Gill. Billy Gill's gonna do our last call. He's got some thoughts from a hotel room in Minnesota. Is that correct, Billy?

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, I'm in Minnesota this week.

[Joel]

I was right. Okay, man, My bad. There you go.

[Van Lathan]

Billy, you up there for the. For the Zach Lowe show?

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, that I'm scouting to go first. Drake, Lindsay, you know, do some work.

[Joel]

Drake. Six, five, 240. You know what I'm saying? You're gonna go check him out.

[Billy Gill]

Have you. Have you guys ever been here? To Minnesota, by the way?

[Van Lathan]

I have.

[Billy Gill]

It's a weird place, right? It's nice, but it's weird.

[Tate]

I was there during a polar Vortex back in 2019. It was like minus 15 degrees, and I thought I was going to die. Then I went back for the final four, and it was super nice. So they've seen, like, the worst version and the good version.

[Billy Gill]

They have, like, tunnels like. Or like bridges connecting the building.

[Tate]

Skyways.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, you don't even walk outside. When I got off the airplane, the first thing I saw see, you know, like, those, like, pamphlets or whatever. They have a place called Paul Bunyan Land where you can go and they have. It's the world's largest talking animated man. And it looks like a Lincoln memorial of Paul Bunyan that I guess talks to children.

[Joel]

Oh, man.

[Van Lathan]

What do you mean? He's. Is he. He's animated or. He's a. He's a talking statue.

[Billy Gill]

He's an animatronic it says, yeah, whatever.

[Van Lathan]

Chuck E. Let me look this up.

[Tate]

So what does he, does he impart wisdom or does he like, talk like you guys are small?

[Joel]

He's gonna go, he's gonna go and find out.

[Billy Gill]

I don't know if I've learned anything on this show. It's the things in the times of Paul Bunyan probably would want to hear from him, you know, like, I don't know what Paul, but he's telling these kids.

[Tate]

How do we feel like the show went today? Van? Van, how do you feel about it?

[Van Lathan]

This wasn't a great one, but look, it's, it's, it's okay because we're at that little halfway point in college football and we talked about a lot of other stuff and I forgot some things that I'd said earlier in the season. But you know what? It was, Billy, we had fun. As far as I would say, I would score it like this. I would say on college football analysis, probably like a 4. But on hanging out with your boys, fun. I'm gonna go 11, man.

[Tate]

Oh, wow.

[Joel]

All right.

[Tate]

You meet the middle. That's a nice seven.

[Billy Gill]

I feel like it went pretty good. I mean, these are the takeaways that I took today. I feel like.

[Joel]

Van, is this what you're going to be doing?

[Billy Gill]

I don't know what I'm going to be doing, to be honest. Jotting down notes today, to be honest with you, I'm not sure what this is.

[Van Lathan]

Let him do his thing, Joe.

[Billy Gill]

We're kind of just figuring it out. I did this, I did this thing a couple weeks ago where I bought this. This isn't here nor there, but I bought this, this ESPN college football encyclopedia that I told Tate about. And I brought it with me, which is an idiotic decision because it weighs like 15 pounds.

[Tate]

This is our off season right here.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah. So I thought that this was a good idea, but I didn't look into this book very much and I realized this ends after the 2004 season.

[Tate]

So I can't give you like a.

[Billy Gill]

Ton of present information, but if you need to know like all time records between like 1860 and 2004 for anything team, I got you also can't wait. Here's, here's the thing about this. This book also is problematic because the, the first endorser at the top of the, of the book up here is Joe Paterno telling you how.

[Van Lathan]

We doing.

[Joel]

Different time.

[Tate]

2.

[Billy Gill]

I bought two problematic football books in the recent future. I'll just tell you about this one today, the next One. I love it when I get back home. But Joe Paterno says that this is a great resource that we can use at some point if you want to get to it.

[Tate]

Now, here.

[Billy Gill]

Here are today's takeaways. Van, I think loves Joel's dad more than Joel because he. He respects him for his service. He wants to send him.

[Joel]

Whoa.

[Billy Gill]

He wants to make him a podiatrist appointment, and.

[Tate]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, man, you know what?

[Joel]

Hey, let's talk about that.

[Billy Gill]

Got to get us real low, you know?

[Tate]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

I learned that. That Tate's a disappointment to his family. His multiple war heroes.

[Joel]

Podcaster. Yeah.

[Tate]

Yeah, I feel like you could be.

[Billy Gill]

Doing more for the.

[Tate]

Yeah. They have no sympathy for this lifestyle. Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Joel also seems like he's trying to get a suit by Brian Kelly, implying that he might be on lists that have been put out there lately.

[Van Lathan]

Just. Just can't say that.

[Billy Gill]

Very reckless.

[Joel]

I would know. Wait, you just. I mean, put this rumor.

[Tate]

Just say it.

[Joel]

I mean, he's.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, it's really bad things that had directly been reported to me. You made up some whole other. Just literally can't say that, bro.

[Joel]

But I mean, you were just saying, like. I mean, you said some bad things. I'm like, well, how. How bad could it be? Was it James Talarico bad, or was it. You know. Yeah, I'm not gonna say the list, but.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, I think we know. I think we know which list, but here. Here's. Here's, like, a positive column for Joel.

[Van Lathan]

Okay.

[Billy Gill]

Can't just be a bad week for Joel.

[Joel]

Joel. Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

Joel knows how to ride some dick. We learned that today.

[Joel]

That's not. That's. That's not. Come on, man. Is it gonna be like. Is it gonna be like this? Is it gonna be like this?

[Billy Gill]

What do you mean?

[Tate]

Every. Every show's different, Joel. Every show's different.

[Joel]

All right. Okay.

[Billy Gill]

Also, man's trying to end your marriage. I guess you should be out hunting, not paying attention.

[Tate]

Family just want to love your kids.

[Joel]

How does this happen? How did. How did. How did I become this? How did I used to be. I used to be respectful. Was. I. I don't know, actually.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, my God.

[Tate]

That was great.

[Joel]

And just for clarity, I did not know how to write. See?

[Van Lathan]

Wait, why go back to. It's a joke.

[Joel]

I may have some ideas on how. Supposed to go, but that don't be.

[Billy Gill]

What's wrong with that?

[Van Lathan]

See what I'm saying?

[Joel]

I know how to ride it.

[Van Lathan]

Thank you, Billy. It's obviously a joke. And, Joe, look at. Look how uncomfortable Joel gets. Look at Joel.

[Joel]

Well, my eyes are watering today just because some other stuff, but.

[Tate]

Oh.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, okay. You okay?

[Billy Gill]

Everything all right?

[Van Lathan]

Before we go, I want to say something. Billy, I am looking at a blog right now of Paul Bunyan Land that is done by in the Loop, which is a channel on YouTube. This is the creepiest place that has ever existed. I'm watching Paul Bunyan talk to people. There's almost. There's. It's a big field with. Everything is, like, large sized because it's supposed to be for Paul Bunyan. Billy, you gotta go to Paul Bunyan Land and report back, bruh. You gotta go. This is. This looks crazy right now.

[Billy Gill]

We can. We can all go. There's a full hookup for RVs and tents. We could go camping there one day, guys, if you want.

[Joel]

Hey, are you gonna go to Mall of America? Have you ever been there?

[Billy Gill]

I. I did go there. Have you been there?

[Joel]

No, I haven't. I've been there.

[Tate]

I've been there.

[Billy Gill]

It's kind of a crazy place.

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[Billy Gill]

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[Tate]

They have a roller coaster in there.

[Billy Gill]

They have, like, four roller coasters in there. They have, like, a full theme park in the middle. And they also have a Rainforest Cafe, which I did not expect to see.

[Tate]

Minnesota.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, there's a Rainforest Cafe. Lovely lunch there today.

[Van Lathan]

Little slow.

[Billy Gill]

The service, if I'm gonna be honest with you. And, like, the strangest location, I think on earth for Margaritaville. Cause I don't think Jimmy Buffett was ever envisioning Minneapolis when he was writing his songs.

[Van Lathan]

I tell you what. Jimmy Buffett's Margaritaville, one of my favorite places.

[Tate]

It's a good spot.

[Van Lathan]

I love to go there.

[Tate]

I love the one in Myrtle beach is a hit. I mean, I love it.

[Van Lathan]

They got one in Bougie City, man.

[Joel]

That I've been wanting to go to.

[Van Lathan]

I went. I went there back in the day. This kid was playing from Delaware. He was on. This was back in the day. He was. He's playing. He was in college. He was playing for Delaware. It was the one Double A playoffs.

[Joel]

He was.

[Van Lathan]

Everybody up. I was like, who is this big fucking kid from Delaware? They look like they got the Michigan Wolverines. Like, who is this big kid from Delaware that looks like he shouldn't? And this guy goes, hey, this kid sees a transfer. His name's Joe Flacco. He's like. He's like. He's actually. He's like. He's Joe Flaccos from Delaware, y'. All. That was a good story.

[Tate]

Yeah, that was a good story.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, I liked it.

[Tate]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

8 out of 10.

[Joel]

You great enough curve. But that's cool because I, I, because it has to be on my head today, I guess.

[Billy Gill]

What do you mean?

[Tate]

I gave you props.

[Van Lathan]

Joe.

[Tate]

That was the plus column.

[Billy Gill]

Okay?

[Tate]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Joel, stop being, stop being, stop being salty. Joe, you're a man over the course of your life, okay?

[Billy Gill]

Like doc recommendations, too. If you have any foot problems, call Joel.

[Joel]

Hey, man.

[Van Lathan]

Joel.

[Joel]

Hey, hey, hey. We're not talking about that. We're not talking about that.

[Van Lathan]

Tate, please end the show.

[Tate]

I love it. What a great time. Billy Gill, great first appearance here. Many more in the future. Future. And also we're going to go back to that encyclopedia as Billy promised because there's got to be some gold in there. Just some great stories and it's obviously been endorsed by some big time characters back in college football's past. So we'll talk about all that in the future. We appreciate everybody tuning in again. We're going to be a little bit later on Saturday. Ring your tailgate will be live. Come hang out with us and I hope everybody has a great day and we will talk to you on Saturday. Must be 21 or older in president. Select states for Kansas and affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 and older in present in D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit rghelp.com, call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gamblinghelplinema.org or call 800-327-5050 for 27 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-88-HOPE NY or text Hopeny in New York.