Penn State and Other Teams at the Gates of Hell, Plus Sherrone Moore’s Blue-Collar Jacket

Summary

Ringer Tailgate: "Penn State and Other Teams at the Gates of Hell, Plus Sherrone Moore’s Blue-Collar Jacket"

Date: October 15, 2025
Hosts: Van Lathan, Joel Anderson, Tate Frazier

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Overview

This Ringer Tailgate episode is all about programs in “the gates of hell”—college football teams mired in crisis or dramatic transitions midway through the season. The crew unpacks Penn State’s coaching upheaval, the shockwaves through programs like Florida, Auburn, and Florida State, and zooms out to examine cultural and recruiting realities. The show delivers deep dives on what it means to be a “Tier One” job, why patience is vanishing in college football, and, as always, plenty of irreverent banter—plus the viral fashion adventures of Michigan’s Sherrone Moore.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Penn State Chaos: James Franklin Fired

• Context: Penn State fires James Franklin, who was considered a pillar of stability and success, mid-season after a catastrophic three-game losing streak (to Oregon, then UCLA and Northwestern).

• Analysis:

  • Tate: Highlights both on-field and cultural collapse, “Penn State is in hell. I cannot remember a disastrous stretch, not just on the field, but also culturally and from a perception nationally.” [07:55]
  • Joel: Argues Franklin’s firing is short-sighted given his historical success and questions whether Penn State can find someone better. Warns they might “end up just like Nebraska.” [12:27, 23:18]
  • Van: Notes how “the fans turned” on Franklin, especially after the Oregon game: “He paused right there in the tunnel. Let all the boos rain in on him. ... That is the perfect visual of what the gates of hell look like.” [24:23]

• Race and Recruiting Angle:

  • Joel: “We have not talked about the fact that James Franklin is a black coach and how that certainly helped with creating distance between that previous regime and putting on this affable, energetic black face on a program to lead recruiting efforts.” [14:51]
  • Tate: Pushes back, noting recruiting is a challenge everywhere, “I don’t know if getting kids to come to Happy Valley is going to be that hard for Matt Rule or Kurt Signetti or anybody else.” [18:29]

• Big Questions:

  • Can Penn State do better than a coach with six 10-win seasons in twelve years?
  • Is the next coach really going to close the gap with Ohio State and Michigan?
  • Was firing Franklin an overreaction to a bad month or a necessary change for the program’s championship ambitions?

Memorable Quote

"If you are a college football program and you wonder what it's like being in hell, this is what it's like being in hell... no head coach, terrible product on the field, everyone wondering what's going on with your program."
—Tate Frazier [09:57]

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2. Gates of Hell: Programs in Turmoil

• Florida State: Mike Norvell under fire after a three-game losing streak. Fans are “cosmopolitan in their complaining” but deeply frustrated at lack of homegrown recruiting and over-reliance on transfers. [25:07–28:08]
  • Joel: “Are we ever going to have a quarterback of our own to build around? ... That’s a legitimate complaint.” [26:45]
• Florida: Billy Napier may be fired any week. The buyout isn’t enormous so change is likely. [33:15–39:03]
  • Tate: “Why would you believe in Billy Napier? What has Billy Napier done at Florida to make you believe in him?” [35:54]
• Other teams:
  • Auburn: Hugh Freeze drama; controversial officiating. [41:36–45:56]
  • Oregon State, Kentucky, UAB, Wisconsin, UNC: All noted as “hovering” over the abyss—one bad loss away from joining the true crisis group.
  • Memorable/absurd moment:
    • Tate: “It feels like at any moment LSU could be in hell. It feels like at any moment Brian Kelly might thrive in hell. I’m not gonna lie.” [41:12]

Funny Moment

"I once knew a girl ... she said, 'the next nigga to take me on a nice date, I'mma marry him.' I sometimes wonder if Auburn fans feel like that about Hugh Freeze."
—Tate Frazier [43:29]

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3. Hot Seat Syndrome and Impatience in CFB

• Theme: The era of giving coaches time to build is over.
• Joel: Cites Joe Paterno and Bobby Bowden weathering losing years in a different era, “it just doesn’t make any sense to me ... if you think you have a good coach...” [12:43]
• Modern Example: Kurt Signetti at Indiana is resetting expectations; if he can win fast, what’s every other coach’s excuse? [46:34]
• Van: “Sometimes you might just have to accept a bad year in football ... Continually looking for the next thing is how you end up in this cycle.” [45:01]

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4. Kurt Signetti and Indiana: Cinderella Story

• Indiana undefeated, tops Oregon in Austin, controls their playoff destiny.
• Tate: Signetti’s belief and culture are real: “He didn’t have the expectation of Indiana that everybody else does. ... He’s a guy that is crazy enough to believe that if you give him 11 guys ... he’s going to find a way to win. And his players believe in that.” [49:47]
• Signetti’s rapid turnaround will get other coaches fired as fans/universities expect similar magic.
• Van: “Indiana was 0-46 as a program against top five teams on the road. They win their first game against Oregon. I mean, that says enough right there.” [51:43]

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5. Around the Nation: Notable Games & Matchups

Key Week 8 games previewed:

• Ole Miss (#5) at Georgia (#9): Lane Kiffin v Kirby Smart, high stakes for SEC pecking order. [67:35]
• USC (#20) at Notre Dame (#13): Lincoln Riley looks to finally get over on Marcus Freeman. Big for Big Ten/National conversation.
• Tennessee (#11) at Alabama (#6): Classic SEC hatefest, huge implications. [65:52]
• LSU at Vanderbilt: Self-aware as a “booster”, Van’s always watching LSU.

Other high-interest matchups: Oklahoma–South Carolina, A&M–Arkansas (Bobby Petrino’s return), Utah–BYU (“the Holy War” with an irreverent tangent about Mormon students and “soaking”). [75:37–81:24]

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6. Culture, Recruiting, and the Race Card

• Frank discussion about Black head coaches representing programs with controversial histories, and the double standards in coaching climates.
  • Joel: “James Franklin bridged that distance for them. This is a whole different era.” [14:51]
  • Tate: “You don’t want to be a laughingstock ... Y’all don’t need to remind us your wives are white ... The only time it feels like a stat is when you say, ‘just to let you know, I got a white wife.’” [89:25]

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7. Sherrone Moore’s Blue-Collar Jacket (and Press Conference Antics)

• Michigan’s head coach mocked for performative stunts: blue-collar jacket, firefighter costume, unprompted comments about his white wife.
  • Tate: “What the fuck, dawg? ... The one thing you don’t want to be is a laughingstock.” [85:06]
  • Joel: Concerns for his future if the team slides: “He’s embarrassing ... just as they might fire your black ass.” [86:12]
  • Van: “Whoever made that jacket, I feel for that guy. That was a tough ask. They go, make a blue collar jacket for a millionaire head coach...” [91:53]

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8. Banter & Off-the-Rails Moments

• USC Game, Tate’s Fear of Heights:
  • Comic segment about the hosts attending USC, Tate’s real fear, and the view from the luxury seats. “He's judging the game by the cheers that he hears because he won’t look at the field.” [55:23]
• Soaking & Mormon Sex Rules:
  • Absurd, hilarious, and very Ringer Tailgate [76:09–81:24].

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• “If you are a college football program and you wonder what it’s like being in hell, this is what it’s like being in hell…” —Tate Frazier [09:57]
• “I just don’t think that it’s an appropriate criticism. … James Franklin gave them the ability to reach kids and bring them to an area of the country that is not overwashing talent.” —Joel Anderson [15:40]
• “Why would you believe in Billy Napier? What has Billy Napier done at Florida to make you believe in him?” —Tate Frazier [35:54]
• “Sometimes you might just have to accept a bad year in football ... going and continually looking for the next thing is how you end up in this cycle.” —Joel Anderson [45:01]
• “He’s got the blue collar jacket on. And he says, we gotta go back to work. That’s the reason I got the blue collar jacket on. … Bro, you making a mockery out of Michigan football.” —Tate Frazier [85:06]
• "Indiana was 0-46 against top five teams on the road. ... They win their first game against Oregon. That says enough right there." —Van Lathan [51:43]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [07:55 – 24:43] — Penn State fires James Franklin, debate over program expectations, historical perspective, recruiting/race dynamics.
• [25:07 – 39:03] — Florida State, Florida, Auburn, other programs in hell; coaching carousel speculation.
• [46:34 – 52:51] — One Big Reaction, Indiana’s Kurt Signetti, coaching expectations reset.
• [53:37 – 60:27] — Tate’s fear of heights at USC, in-stadium banter.
• [64:04 – 69:27] — Next week’s biggest games previewed (Ole Miss–Georgia, USC–Notre Dame, Tennessee–Bama, etc.)
• [70:00 – 74:50] — Favorite other matchups; Arkansas, Bobby Petrino, and rivalry history.
• [75:37 – 81:24] — Utah vs. BYU, “soaking,” and Mormon college sex hijinks.
• [83:14 – 92:17] — Big Van on Campus: Sherrone Moore’s antics, Michigan concerns.
• [92:40 – End] — Complimentary shoutouts, closing thoughts.

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Style and Tone

The show is sharp, irreverent, and equal parts analytical and chaotic. No question is out of bounds, and the hosts frequently riff on cultural, racial, and fan dynamics as much as on Xs and Os. Ringer Tailgate continues to embody a “hangout on the group text with your funniest, nerdiest CFB friends”—and this episode, with its humor and raw debate, captures that magic.

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For First-Time Listeners

If you missed the episode:

• Expect deep dives into the mayhem at Penn State, Florida, and Florida State
• Hear hard truths about Black coaches’ burdens and fandom’s impatience
• Get wild, tangential detours about “soaking” at BYU and luxury box anxiety at USC
• Laugh at Michigan’s head coach cosplaying as a working man—and get real on what makes a job elite in today’s college football

The Ringer Tailgate is messy, smart, and essential listening for the college football obsessed—even (or especially) when college football feels like the gates of hell.

Transcript

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[Van Lathan]

Welcome back to Ringer Tailgate. We're here. It's Wednesday. We have a lot to get to. This is probably the biggest show we've had as far as news breaking on this program. We're about halfway through the season right now and we are going to talk about a lot on this show. We got the Gates of Hell. Introducing the Gates of Hell. We got one big question, big reactions, and of course, big van on campus. But first and foremost, let's say what's up to the guys. Van Lathan in the studio. Good to see you, man. How you doing on this Wednesday?

[Tate Frazier]

What up, what up, what up, what up, what up? College football is happening. Ringer Tailgate.

[Van Lathan]

That's exactly what I was hoping for. That's the enthusiasm that we need. And we also got to say what's up to our guy, Joel Anderson in the frog sweatshirt. Good to see you, Joe, man.

[Joel Anderson]

Trying to bring the heat. Trying to bring a little energy today, man. You know, my boys, just as I said on last week, that they were going to lose the state, they went out and did that. And I still got pride, man. You know, losing don't. Losing doesn't mean you lost.

[Van Lathan]

You know, it does out there.

[Tate Frazier]

You lost and it's. You lost. But.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, I mean, you know, it's a temporary condition. You can always come back from it.

[Tate Frazier]

Losses, you know, as a matter of fact, I actually. So I went on. I don't know why. There's this. There's a podcast that's about Bill's podcast. Have you ever listened to it?

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah, the Reddit joint.

[Tate Frazier]

The Reddit joint. Right. So I actually listened to it.

[Joel Anderson]

Did you really?

[Tate Frazier]

So I listened to it. So it's a podcast about Bill's podcast. But they were doing best and worst of the Ringer.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Tate Frazier]

And that piqued my interest. Cause I wanted to know what they thought about maybe some of the stuff that I was on.

[Joel Anderson]

And you really wanted to know.

[Tate Frazier]

They wrenched. They mentioned rigor Tailgate on there. They mentioned it. One guy said that he liked me. Shout out to me. He thought I was great. That was cool. And then he Said he liked ringer, tailgate. And then they read a fucking Reddit post where they hated ring or tailgate. They hated it. They said, we don't know the names. We don't know shit. Right? And they. I wanted to just speak on that because you. And so. I'm just joking.

[Joel Anderson]

Wait a minute, man.

[Tate Frazier]

But wait a minute.

[Joel Anderson]

You.

[Tate Frazier]

Joe, they was mad at you. It's not them. I appreciate anybody listening. They was mad at you because they say you don't know the names.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, well, hold on, hold on.

[Tate Frazier]

I only know lsd. I mean, Cristobal, karruechobel, Karruech. They talked about this. And I want to bring this up. So you saw this, that people are. People are mad about this name shit that you got going on. Joe, you gotta do better, bro.

[Joel Anderson]

This is my head. This is just. Look, man, first of all, this could be cte. It could be that. It could be age. It could be that my brain is overworked, man. I got two small kids. I'm sorry that I called him. What did I call him? It wasn't Julian saying, what did I call him?

[Tate Frazier]

Call Cristobal. They said, okay, again, I told you there was somebody on Twitter who was.

[Joel Anderson]

Like, listen, man, from where in that region of Spain or whatever like it is called that. Like the way that I was you. I was using the actual way that they say it, not the Americanized version.

[Tate Frazier]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Why are you bringing that negativity to us now?

[Tate Frazier]

You're going to gaslight us. Oh, this show about to be off the rails if you listen to.

[Joel Anderson]

Why did you bring that negativity here?

[Tate Frazier]

Because you're telling us right now. Now you're gaslighting us and saying that it is Chris Stobal, that.

[Joel Anderson]

You're right. Well, I'm just saying he may pronounce it that way, but for whatever reason, I did it phonetically or got shout.

[Tate Frazier]

Out to everybody that's listening to Ringer Tails.

[Joel Anderson]

How many of the people that complain about that know who Dominic Raola actually is? You know, I mean, I know who Dominic Raiola is. Do they know. They know Dylan Raola. But do that. Does that knowledge of the game go back to Dominic Raiola? That's what I would ask them.

[Van Lathan]

I like this. This is arguing the opposite side. You're saying. I have so much knowledge that, you know, you're just pushing it. You're just piecing it together, you know?

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, Dog, first of all, don't bring Van. Don't bring that negativity in here.

[Tate Frazier]

I got.

[Joel Anderson]

You gave me shit for responding to those people about Michael Irvin, and now you're coming up here also. There was somebody else in the comments that talked about a fart, and they thought it was me. Do you know what it actually is? It is my desk here that is making that noise. You hear it? Well, okay. It's not doing it right now. Trust me when I tell you this.

[Tate Frazier]

What it is we can obviously got to get on. But I'll just say, just in this case, I just thought, because I've never listened to that podcast before, first of all, I have to be honest, and I wouldn't be, and I'm sure Bill's not gonna be thrilled about this. I think a full podcast about a podcast is kind of fucking genius. I don't know why, bro. It's like. I think a full podcast on a.

[Van Lathan]

Podcast, it's like the repotables. Yeah, right.

[Tate Frazier]

It's the repotable. I actually think I had never. I didn't know I've seen the page before, but I didn't know they had their own podcast. And then I went and listened to it, and I'm. Look, ring or tailgate? We out here, man. We about to annoy the fuck out of y'.

[Joel Anderson]

All.

[Tate Frazier]

We love this sport. We. We know this sport, but we about to have fun. It was just fun to hear people talking about tailgate. Cause we put this show together, man. Fuck it.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I appreciate it. Also, anybody that got a problem with my name, I invite you to meet me in downtown Silver Spring and do an Oklahoma drill with me. If you don't think I know football, we can. You know, we can do it. Let me know. Line up, and I'll meet you out in the middle of the street for Oklahoma drill. We'll see how much football you know.

[Tate Frazier]

Joel, is toxic.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, if you think, you know, motherfucker, we can do it. I'm just saying. What's up, you know?

[Van Lathan]

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[Tate Frazier]

Penn State is in hell. Look, I cannot remember a disastrous stretch, not just on the field, but also culturally and from a perception nationally. I can't remember a team having one like this in a while. Penn State loses three straight. And they don't just lose three straight. They lose to teams that in no planet should be on their level. From a talent perspective. They lose to teams that they should easily be. Right. When you're talking about specifically Northwestern and ucla, despite the new and improved Nico ucla, Joel Andersons, the fighting Joel Anderson.

[Joel Anderson]

That's right.

[Tate Frazier]

Lose two teams like that, which tells you that obviously they lose Drew Aller, but it tells you that like there's something broken in the team, the team themselves, something broke in them after the loss to Oregon. And to go from there on the field to off the field, firing a coach that has by any measure and metric of coaching been an overwhelming success at Penn State. I'm not saying that Franklin is the guy that you hire if you want the next Nick Saban Or. Or the next Urban Meyer. Hell, maybe not even the next Ed Ogeron in terms of getting your team to that height where you're going to be the most dominant team in college football. But if you're looking for a guy who can win 10 games every single year and have your program in the upper echelon of college football, that's what James Franklin is. So you have a story that's happening on the field with Penn State where they are simply not playing up to their talent in any way, shape or form. Then you have the Penn State administration making this change. Then you have stories coming out about whether or not Adidas was in making the change. I'm not saying that any of that story has any of that.

[Van Lathan]

That's not true.

[Tate Frazier]

I get it. But what I'm saying is to see Penn State football culture completely come apart, completely fray, like come apart at the seams, this is what hell is. If you are a college football program and you wonder what it's like being in hell, this is what it's like being in hell. Now, I could also say that maybe being in hell is starting a wide receiver in a bowl game against Kansas State because you don't have enough scholarship players on the team and you have no quarterback, I've been there as well. But if you are looking for hell, no head coach, terrible product on the field, everyone wondering what's going on with your program, you being in the center of the national news for all the wrong reasons, that's hell. And that's where Penn State is right now.

[Joel Anderson]

I think they're going to be in hell. I don't think they're quite in hell yet. And look, so my bias is I'm conservative about firing accomplished coaches, and I think what they're doing is crazy. And so look, the caveat here is this is Penn State's prerogative. This is their program. I understand why they think they should be as. As good as Ohio State. I understand why they should expect to beat Ohio state more than one out of 11 times. Right. Which is J. James Franklin's record last.

[Van Lathan]

Time, 2016, when they won the Big Ten. Right.

[Joel Anderson]

2016. They have the right to expect something as good or better, given the brand, the resources, the tradition. I'm not a Penn State fan, so I have no emotional attachment here. That's them. But I think James Franklin is a tier two coach closing in on tier one. So what you're saying is that he. He won 10 or more games in six of 12 seasons. So what you're telling Me that when you get, whoever you get to replace them, whether it's Matt Rule, whoever, you know, Kurt Signetti, whatever, you gotta tell me that their success, their, his successor has to equal or better. That that is going to be extremely hard. And this is the sort of the bet that I think about because a lot of people are talking about Kurt Signetti right now, right? Like that's, like that's who they're saying they need to throw all their money at. James Franklin guy. Yeah. James Franklin is 53 years old. Are you telling me, are you sure that if you give both of them the next 10 years at Penn State, you sure that James Franklin cannot win a national championship? Are you sure? And that Kurt Signetti, who is 64 years old already in the next 10 years can do that? Are you sure?

[Tate Frazier]

Well, I mean, if I was answering, if I was answering that question, I would say, well, he's been there 10 years, he's been there 12. So if you're saying that something's going to change in the next 10 years or the next 12 years, I guess I'd ask you what is that thing?

[Joel Anderson]

I guess the thing is, is that it used to be that a coach, I know that this is a different time, but the coaches could withstand a bad year. Like Joe Paterno went five and six in 1988. He won eight games the next year he won nine games the next year. Then he won 11, then he won seven.

[Tate Frazier]

He won.

[Joel Anderson]

And then he won five in 2000. Then he won five again in 2001. He won three in 2003. He won four in 2004. Bobby Bowden had really good, had had seasons that were similar, like not that often because he, when he had that program rolling, they were rolling. But he went 7 and 63 of his last four years.

[Tate Frazier]

Joe, you're comparing those guys at advanced ages after he had already won national championships and put teams on the field.

[Joel Anderson]

But again, I'm just saying it just doesn't make any sense to me to. If you think you have a good coach, and I think all of us would admit that James Franklin is a good coach, even if you don't think that the situation. Right. And so this, so, so this moves me to my next point. Penn State has never really lived out the reality of their situation, by which I mean is that Joe Paterno coached in a whole other era of college football. At the end, as he reached the end, it was basically a nine win program and he served in a CEO role. They finished in the top 10, three times in his last 15 years. Bill O', Brien, transition guy. He. They would hype about him winning eight and seven games, right? But then they locked up and got Franklin. And, man, I've read so many people maybe, you know, this is just how Twitter was feeding it to me. I read so many people talking about how they love James Franklin, how they brought him in, how he cared about them as men, and they brought them in and took care of them, and he was a good person to be around. And we have not talked about the fact that James Franklin is a black coach and how that certainly helped with creating distance between that previous regime and putting on this affable, energetic black face on a program to lead recruiting efforts. By which, I mean, you're going to ask me, you're going to tell me, do you think Matt Rule, Matt Campbell, Kurt Signetti are going to convince black players, with the world at their fingertips, to go into an area James Carville once called Alabama without the blacks?

[Tate Frazier]

Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, that is a real thing. This is a thing that you have to think about when you are recruiting people. James Franklin bridged that distance for them. This is a whole different era.

[Tate Frazier]

It's so weird right now because there's.

[Van Lathan]

We're at the gates of hell. That's why you were supposed to feel so weird. You're supposed to be uncomfortable.

[Tate Frazier]

I'll tell you why I feel so weird. Just so people know. People know this about me. If you've been following the stuff that I do on the ringer or listening to me, I love injecting something into a conversation that made people feel uncomfortable. I love it. I love doing it. And there's nothing that makes people feel more uncomfortable than race. So every once in a while, I just like to throw it out there. Hey, let's talk about it. Hey. And then watch people. But I really don't think in this situation right here, I just don't think that it's an appropriate criticism. All right, I'm not criticizing anybody.

[Joel Anderson]

What I'm saying is that James Franklin gave them the ability to reach kids and bring them to an area of the country that is not overwashing talent. You gotta convince kids to go into the center of Pennsylvania.

[Tate Frazier]

But, Joel. Okay, two things I want to say. You mentioned Joe Paterno. Yeah. And when you mentioned Penn State and the tradition, I just want to make sure that. Because if anybody deserves to have somebody shoot them bell and come to their rescue, it's Joe Paterno. Right. He's never really been involved in anything that would make you say, right, Joe Paterno is the winningest coach in FBS football, Right? Like he.

[Joel Anderson]

Excuse me, is he still. Did he get to keep those wins?

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah. Division one. The Division one. He's the. The winningest coach. Two national championships, five undefeated seasons. So they.

[Van Lathan]

Penn State, but the national championship's, right? 82 and 87. Just to give context, 82 and 87.

[Joel Anderson]

It's been 40 years since they've won a national championship.

[Tate Frazier]

I understand that. But what they did have after those national championships was big time players and big time moments. They had Lavar Arrington, they had Kajana Carter, they had Kerry Collins, they had Penn State football teams that college football fans looked up to and was like, we want to be those guys. They had those players. I'm not saying that every single year that they were a powerhouse or that they were on the same level as Ohio State or even Michigan, but Penn State football was Penn State football and Penn State football is Penn State football. Okay? So when you take a job like that, you are also, you're definitely coaching against ghosts. You're coaching against ghosts and you're coaching against culture. And if you don't want that, then you should not exist in that spot and take that job. James Franklin, I give him credit, he saved Penn State football and brought Penn State football back to a level where people could look at them again as a team that had to be feared and a program that had to be revered, I give him credit for that. But I'm also going to say this. If you expected James Franklin to give you moments at Penn State where it felt like Penn State was the best team in the country, even if it was just a win every couple of years, he didn't do that. Now, I'm not saying that he deserved to lose his job. I don't think that at all. Right? But if you were looking for James Franklin to deliver you moments where you looked at Penn State football and went, my God, Penn State is coming to town. They're about to fuck us up. Or it's. He did not do that. As far as recruiting the guys, all of these coaches got to do that. You got to get the guys to come to Baton Rouge, you got to get them to come to Gainesville, you got to get them to come to Tallahassee, you got to get them to those.

[Joel Anderson]

There are athletes to go to Baton Rouge right down the block.

[Tate Frazier]

And none of these. And none of these places that I'm talking about have what I would consider to be a sterling reputation when it comes to Race relations. And the players are going to go there because it's in their best interest for their careers and the next step of their athletic development to go there. I don't know if getting kids to come to, To, To. To. To Happy Valley is going to be that hard for Matt Rule or Kerseign Eddy or anybody else.

[Joel Anderson]

All right, well, first of all, again, they've. Neither one of them are known as like, I mean, great recruiters at this point. And again, recruiting is different. Sometimes you can just make up the difference with trans. That we're in a totally different era, so that can make up for it. But I don't think it's gonna be as easy for them to move on and convince kids to go to that school like it used to be. Like, again, I think Penn State is fine. It's got a great tradition. I still think they can be a good program. But I also think that, like, man, you guys are being a little short sighted about where you are in the hierarchy of college football. And the reality is, is that I think that if James Franklin had simply been given more time, and people will say 12 years is plenty of time, that's enough. Fair enough. I hear you on that. But the alternative is that you end up like Nebraska. Like people were saying, oh, man, Matt Rule. Matt Rule wants to. Matt Rule wants to come to Penn State. I'm like, dog, he is at Penn State. Nebraska is Penn State. Nebraska's won a national championship more recently than Penn State. And it's the same situation. They've got to. They've got to compete with all those schools that have proximity to the talent. And they gotta convince them, skip all them other places, come up here to Nebraska and build a program with us. And you see how it's working, like they're a little bit better. But nobody thinks that Nebraska is Alabama or.

[Tate Frazier]

I'll be honest with you, bro. Nebraska ain't had no Saquon Barkleys. Nebraska ain't had. I mean, I'm just going to be for real with you. The drop off from Nebraska has, to me been a lot more drastic than the drop off from Penn State. It's come on, man, for sure. Yeah. And so.

[Joel Anderson]

And why do you think that is, though? Because James Franklin is part of the reason for that.

[Tate Frazier]

Well, I mean, I agree with you. I'm not saying that James Franklin should have been fired. What I am saying is this. And I'm just going to be honest about this. I'm not saying that James Franklin should have been fired. I don't think that he should have been fired, right? But if I were a Penn State fan with the same zeal that I am an LSU Tiger fan, I don't know if I would have wanted James Franklin fired. And I'll tell you why. The Oregon loss is a loss that I don't think gets talked about enough now because we all have so much respect for Oregon as a program and as a football team. Indiana just went on the road to Austin. They beat Oregon, okay? They beat them. They controlled the game and they won the game. Penn State with a team returning their quarterback with not a lot of guys back, not everybody back. That team had to do some transformation too. I think that's a little under discussed. They lost a game at home to a team that started a brand new quarterback, had brand new people everywhere. And it felt like, or feels like to a lot of the fan base that there's something that James Franklin just can't accomplish, that there's a moment that and a thing that he just can't get over. Then on top of that, he loses the team. There's no other way to. He loses the team. The team then goes on the road, loses to ucla, then loses to Northwestern. They completely unraveled. Granted they lost their quarterback, but for me, if I was in the position of a Penn State fan and I was looking at that, I would be thinking to myself, it's over. Is course there's a chance that James Franklin and Penn State need a fresh start. I'm not saying that it's fair, but I'm saying that there's definitely a chance that I'll be feeling that way.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, I agree. And tell him, Luciana. But I'm just going to say if you're letting a three, a three game stretch in a 12 year career determine whether or not you think that guy should stay elite. And I know that they're doing more than that because again, he hasn't won his record against top 10 teams or whatever. Of course. But again, I would not let three games sway me to fire a guy who I think could get you there. I just, we always do this thing, this person can't win the big game and then they win the big game, man. Like I usually. The great, the really good to the great guys, they usually eventually win. I think that James Franklin would be that guy. But you know, it's. Penn State is free to disagree with me. I don't necessarily disagree that they had to move on. Like I get why they had to or why they felt they needed to. But to Me, I'm just like, Bruh. The other side of this is that you'll end up just like Nebraska.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. It's two. Two sides of the scale, right? It's Georgia, which is like, we have to get to the next level. Mark. Rick, he was right there, but couldn't quite get them over the hump, even though they'd be preseason number one.

[Tate Frazier]

No.

[Van Lathan]

Sean Marino, Matthew Stafford. Right. All those teams, they couldn't quite do it. And then they get Kirby, and Kirby is the guy to get him over the hump. Right. We've seen a team figure it out and get the right coach, but again, 104 and 45, pretty good record. And now when you're at the gates of hell, James Franklin, when he stood there for the last time, right, as the fans are booing him after he handshakes every player as they walk off the field, that felt like the perfect moment where it was like, oh, this is over. Like, the fans have turned on you. They were booing you in the Oregon game before you came back and made it a game. Right? Then you're saying goodbye to all your players, basically, as you're about to walk in the tunnel. He paused right there in the tunnel. Let all the booze reign in on him. And I was saying to myself, like, that is the perfect visual of what the gates of hell look like. I mean, that is where James Franklin was in that moment. I mean, it was. They were done with him, I think the same song and dance. They were over. They were overseeing it. I mean, they were just like, this is over. I don't want to see him back on the field. And maybe that's an overreaction, but again, that's what the gates of hell are all about. And Penn State, one way or the other, we're going to figure this out. He went 7 and 6 in his first two seasons. Right. I mean, anybody that goes in that job, they're going to be expected to win 10 games right out the gate, and that's going to be a really tall task.

[Tate Frazier]

And he left him in a better situation than what he found him in.

[Van Lathan]

Of course.

[Tate Frazier]

I mean, there are going to be some decommits, there are going to be some transfers, there are going to be some guys that want out. But he restored Penn State to a place that they expected to be in as far as at the forefront of the national discussion in terms of college football.

[Joel Anderson]

You think that it always is going to come back. I mean, everybody thinks, oh, yeah, man, we're going to get somebody else to Come in here and do what James Franklin did. And then all of a sudden you're Mike Norvell. You stuck with Mike Norvell and you're.

[Tate Frazier]

Like, man, be honest with you. Gates of hell in hell. Florida State football right now. I watched the guys over on War chant. It's becoming, it's quickly becoming my two favorite post shows. Shout out to all the big guys that are doing this. Shout out to Walker and the paid and to Clatten, Brooks, Austin. Shout out to Brooks is great. Shout out to Blake Rafino. Shout out to all of the guys. Power hour, lsu, all of the guys. Shout out every other show. Shout them all out. Everybody's cool. Shout out to everybody's show.

[Joel Anderson]

Good stuff. All right.

[Tate Frazier]

But I watch my two favorite post game shows are the Locked on Bama show. This just remind me of people that I grew up around. And then the War chant show because the Florida State fan base is a little different. They're not as hickish as a lot of the college football fans that I follow. They're a little bit more cosmopolitan with their complaining. And so watching them complain, watching them complain in the midst of this three game losing streak that Florida State is going through is fucking hysterical because they have cogent, concise, intellectual and very direct reasons why it's never gonna work with Mike. Number five, why it's never going to work, why it's just not working and it's not going to work. And this year's team is an indicator that it's not going to work with Mike Norvell.

[Van Lathan]

They thought there was a light at the end of the tunnel after that Alabama game, right? It did feel like that. But it turns out the light was just another fire near the gates of hell. I mean, they are stuck in purgatory.

[Joel Anderson]

At the end of the year. That again, I think I said this earlier, that 31 to 17 win over Alabama is going to seem like one of the more inexplicable results of the season. Like people are going to be like, how in the hell did that happen? People are going to go back and look at it and yeah, man, I just feel like Florida State, man, I really feel for them because again, they were right on the cusp of making the playoffs like two plus years ago, man. Jordan, yeah, Jordan Travis gets hurt and then everything goes to shit, man. Like they've just had no, like they've caught no breaks. Really. They had that one. The Alabama win is like that one moment where they had a moment of hope and it was like, all right, man, you know, maybe we're back. Like, it seems like this is, you know, maybe Mike Norvell has steady things. And then they lose to Pitt, they lose to Miami, they lose to uva. And then, and then you think about all the other things that you had to overlook when you were praising the Alabama win. It's like, how often are we going to do this transfer thing? Like, are we going to ever establish like a recruiting base in one of the most talent rich states in this country? Like, are we ever going to have a quarterback of our own to build around? Like, we always going to have to find somebody year to year and plug in that hole. And that's a. That's a legitimate complaint. So. Yeah, man, I just. I don't know, man. I felt I have. My heart goes out to Florida State, man, because they've just been through some shit. They, I mean, they are really in the gates.

[Tate Frazier]

It's Florida State right now. Still an elite job. Now we've. Florida State is different than Penn State in that we've seen them win national championships recently. We've seen them have Jameis, we've seen them have players. Players have gone there. Dalvin Cook, like it. Is it still a great job? Jalen Ramsey, I can go on and on. Is it still a great job? Is that job still a great job?

[Van Lathan]

I think it's an elite program. I'm not sure if the job is great right now.

[Tate Frazier]

How could that work? How could it be an elite program and not a great job?

[Van Lathan]

Just the expectations might be a little bit off for where it is. You know what I mean? That's. Yeah, that's just my read from the. The ACC purview.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't think it is what it used to be. And I guess I want to know what league are y' all going to be in? Right, because the ac. I mean, we know. No, sorry, Tate. We know the ACC is not going to hold up forever.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, when. When the grant of rights got viewed as unconstitutional, that basically said like the writing is on the wall. 20, 28, they're all going. I mean, it depends. Does Florida want to block them from going to the sec? That'll be a fascinating situation. Right. Same with Georgia, Georgia Tech. Right. All these schools that are in the same state, Clemson, South Carolina. Do they want to block them from going to the sec? But if they go to the sec, I think Florida State right back into the mix. Or the Big Ten. It just depends if they get boxed out. Did they go to the Big 12, you know what I mean? And then you're in a tougher situation.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, absolutely. So I just, I don't, you know, I think it is a good job. I mean, I'm trying, I'm trying to think to myself, brought this up, are, is this as good a job as Penn State? And I don't think you think it's as good a job as Penn State.

[Van Lathan]

Just for the talent around you.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I mean, you have access to talent.

[Tate Frazier]

Right.

[Joel Anderson]

Like, it's just you're in a part of the country where you can get people out of Georgia, Alabama, North Florida. You can convince some folks from South Florida to come up and then they.

[Van Lathan]

Have a national Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee. I mean, you got it.

[Tate Frazier]

It's a national recruiting program. When they're rolling, they are rolling. They're not just. We can give you. LSU is a, is a, is a team that we are really, really focused, really focused at LSU on recruiting to say, because there's a belief in the Louisiana three star like you guys have never seen before, like Morris Claiborne, Honey Badger, Justin Jefferson. There's a belief that the soil and the water where we are, if you are a three star and we get you to LSU and we believe that one day you can get out on that field and you can make something happen to a high, high, high level. But a lot of these other teams that we're talking about, they've always recruited nationally. They've always recruited nationally. Florida State always had a bunch of boys from Florida. True. Miami always had a bunch of boys from Florida. True. Florida always had a bunch of boys from Florida. True. But when those teams were powerful, like super powerful, like nationwide brands, they always had national teams, always had teams that could go into Louisiana, Alabama, pick off a couple of guys from California, the Midwest, they always had squads that could do that.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, James from Alabama.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, exactly. James from Alabama. Right. If Florida State is going to get back to the. It's not just going to be about being able to lock down the guys that are in and around Tallahassee and getting down there into South Florida. It's going to be about their brand extending outside of the state again. And I don't know if Norvell. Hold on. They don't know right now if Norvell is the type of coach to bring that type of prestige back to the program.

[Van Lathan]

Right.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I think the thing about Florida State too is that like, I mean, obviously it is getting kids out of the portal, it's bringing them in.

[Van Lathan]

But they got the quarterback right. This year just they don't have the depth around him. You know what I mean? Like, last year, they got the quarterback completely wrong. I mean, and most people, when they got dju, everyone was like, I can't believe this is who they're relying on. They should know him better than anybody. They watched him play in the ACC before.

[Joel Anderson]

Right. My thing about Florida State, and this is a Florida State thing, then it's not a wash in resources. You know, it's not one of those schools that, you know, has the boosters of, like, Alabama or, you know, whatever, even a Texas Tech right now. So, like, they. That was one of Jimbo Fisher's when he went to Texas A and M. And obviously they've made some improvements since then, but they still have got to keep up with everybody else. So it's not like one of those places that's going to be able to throw money at problems like a lot of other places. Right? So that's what I kind of. When I'm thinking about, is this an elite job? I'm like, ah, that's kind of one of the issues. But, yeah, I mean, they have the opportunity to get players, but, you know, I mean, it has to happen and everybody wants those same players, right?

[Van Lathan]

So, yeah, Bert Kreischer, write the check, cut the check. That's. That's what they got to turn to. Some of those guys that are, you know, some of their notable alumni. Let's go to another team that's at the gates of hell in Florida, Billy Napier. Reports are coming out that Napier could be fired as early as this week. Powerful boosters there in Gainesville. That is the report coming out. Pete Tham will put that out to the world. Yahoo. Aggregating it. All the aggregators are coming out now saying the same thing. So Florida also sitting there burning at the gates of hell. Joel, is that a fair place to be, or is this maybe for Florida a good thing because they want this to be over with?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I mean, I think we've all kind of been waiting on Billy Napier to get fired right at this point. And the thing is, is the. The thing that speaks so well of Billy Napier is that his boys fight hard. The defense is still really good. Like, they're not an easy team to beat. Um, but you kind of thought. I kind of thought, okay, they went down to A and M. They lost. Like, I mean, nobody expected them to win that game, but it's like they went down there, lost about three scores. That's a good time to fire him, you know, But I guess they're going to hold off. And so, I mean, I, I, I would think that you've got, so this week they got Mississippi State at home. If they lose that game, he's definitely getting fired, right? Like, there's no, you can't come back from that. But I think what's more likely to happen is when they play Georgia on November 1st in Jacksonville and that's going to be on national TV, rivalry game. And the distance between both of those programs becomes clear once again that people are going to look at this and be like, we're Florida. This cannot go on. And again, kind of going back to the conversation we had about James Franklin. Dan Mullen didn't win enough, y'.

[Tate Frazier]

All.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, Dan Mullen put together a couple 10 win seasons and stuff, but that wasn't enough for Florida. They thought they could do better and they got Billy Napier, Billy Napier, who was supposed to do that because man, Florida has all these resources, they've got a lot of tradition. They can get whatever they want and then look at them. So again, there's just no guarantee. But obviously it's time to move on from Billy Napier. They need to get, I'm sure they already got their, you know, some fishing poles out there in the, in the water and they're already kind of looking at who's available out there. But it's just like, go ahead, let's get this man out of his misery. Let's get the fans out of that misery. Let's just move forward with this story because everybody knows that it's right around the corner that he's going, that they're going to lock his office on him.

[Tate Frazier]

A couple of things about the Florida job. One, you know, the, the buy out there is not as crazy as it is in other places. I think it's around $20 million. 15. 20 million bucks. So what is it? Take, look that up for me. 18. I can't remember the exact number, but it's not, the buyout isn't as crazy there. Scott Strickland, the athletic director that directly the athletic director at Florida is going to be there for a little while. He just signed like a couple of months ago, maybe last month. A brand new three year extension, 21 million buyouts for the buyout for 4 billion Apia. So it's not the crazy buyout.

[Van Lathan]

10 million due within 30 days of the firing though.

[Tate Frazier]

So he's got to get my money.

[Van Lathan]

He's getting 10 million.

[Tate Frazier]

So when we talk about some of the buyouts to say goodbye, it's not the 50 to 60. The insurmountable number that a lot of these other coaches are really sticking around.

[Van Lathan]

James Franklin numbers.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, James Franklin numbers. Right. So, you know, you wonder sometimes why they haven't made the move or why they're so hesitant to make the move. I remember something about my dad. Real quick, remember something. I was like, watching the Evander Holyfield versus Mike Tyson fight. And you're watching the fight, and it's pretty clear after a while in the first fight that Evander Holyfield is whooping Mike Tyson's ass. Okay, now let people remember. This is not the shot version of Mike Tyson that fought Lennox Lewis or lost to Danny Williams or any of that stuff. This is a Mike Tyson fighting Evander Holyfield in a fight that had been talked about for a very long time. It's finally happening. Evander Holyfield was in a position where we felt like Mike still, Mike should beat him. I remember after Mike Tyson loses the fight, my dad looks at me, he goes, why did you think Mike Tyson would be the Vander Holyfield? What has Mike Tyson done recently to make you believe in Mike Tyson? And I remember I had to think. I was like, what do you mean? He's like, well, everything that you're thinking about from Mike Tyson and from his dominance, a lot of this stuff happened when you were in the fifth grade, in the sixth grade. Like, why do you believe? He goes, before you believe anything and argue anything, always ask yourself, why do you believe in this person? If you are a Florida fan or in the athletic department at Florida, why would you believe in Billy Napier? What has Billy Napier done at Florida to make you believe in him? Now I'm not there to watch his process. Everyone that is around Billy Napier loves him. They love him. They talk about what a coach he is with his guys that like how they like the way he puts things together between Monday and Friday. But the question is, is there anything that Billy Napier has done at Florida? Even Brian Kelly has. Has a Heisman Trophy winner and an explosive offense, right? Is there anything that Billy Napier has done in Florida that makes you believe in Billy Napier? Why would you believe. I don't think he's given them one reason as a fan base, other than some recruiting, other than some recruiting to believe that he'll eventually figure it out and make Florida into what the fans expect him to be.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, the whole. I mean, the whole thing that was built on Billy Napier this year is that DJ Lagway was going to make the leap, right? That this was. That that was the whole concept of how this was going to finally take off, and it doesn't appear that DJ Lagway has gotten much better. And if that's going to be the case, because again, you don't want to fire Billy Napier because how. Why would we want to lose a guy who has all American potential, NFL first round draft pick potential? But if that's not the case, or you think maybe somebody else can get more out of him, if we can convince him to stay, then it's time to go. I mean, this bottom line, his overall record at Florida is 21 and 23. That's just unacceptable, man. Like you, he has a losing record at Florida, man. That is. That's just not acceptable.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Now we sit at the point where, you know, again, all the rumors every single week, he is up on the list, up on the chopping block. I want to throw out some more teams that are in the gates of hell. Maybe we get a graphic here with all these teams. Oregon State, obviously, Trent Bray gets fired. They have not won a game yet this season. They're obviously down in the gates of hell. Oklahoma State post Mike Gundy, obviously at the gates of hell. Kentucky, Mark Stoop says he's not leaving. They're saying, we're not paying you $37 million. That sounds like hell to me. UAB, they fired Trent Dilfer. So they're sitting there at the gates of hell as well. Wisconsin still. Yeah, shout out to Trent Dilfer. We can talk about that if you want. Wisconsin, Luke Fickle, still the head coach at Wisconsin. And again, still sitting at the gates of hell. Auburn, Hugh Freeze. A lot of referee issues. Was it a timeout? Was it a clap? Doesn't matter. They still lose the game. So again, sitting there at the gates of hell. North Carolina with Bill Belichick. We know that they're sitting at the gates of hell. My God, we're right there at the gates of hell. So all those teams sitting there at the gates of hell, is there another team that stands out to you guys that you're like, we need to talk about them. I'll go to you first, fan.

[Tate Frazier]

No, not. Not really. There are a lot of teams that are hovering around.

[Van Lathan]

Right.

[Tate Frazier]

What happens is when you don't have any one or two. Well, I would say that Miami and Ohio State and these teams are dominant teams, but when you don't have teams, Indiana, that. When there's not a clear, clear, elite, unflappable team, what you get is a lot of programs that expect to win more in positions where they are circling the drain. You guys all real. Every single game that the LSU Tigers take the field feels like a high leverage, super important contest. It is a stressful season in Baton Rouge. Vandy's up. We're a dog to Vandy on the.

[Van Lathan]

Road, minus two and a half.

[Tate Frazier]

It doesn't feel right. This doesn't feel like. And shout out to Vandy and everything that they've, that they've accomplished over there, but it, it doesn't feel right. So it feels like at any moment LSU could be in hell. It feels like any moment.

[Van Lathan]

Brian Kelly might thrive in hell. I'm not gonna lie.

[Tate Frazier]

He might. Right? I'm just, I'm looking at other programs and it seems like they're teams that are right there. One bad loss away from everybody being like, what the fuck is going on in Ann Arbor? Like, you know, like what's happening. So I don't know, but these teams are there. Their feet are burning.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, bro, the thing about Auburn, and we didn't talk about like the officiating, things that happened to them at.

[Van Lathan]

Home too, I mean, that was egregious.

[Joel Anderson]

A lot of fan bases think that the conference is out to get them and sabotage them or whatever. And it's usually always ridiculous when a fan feels that way. But if Auburn fans felt that way after the last few weeks, I would be, I would be like, I would kind of understand. I mean, because against the Oklahoma thing, you lose by a touchdown. They allow a touchdown that literally should not have counted. It should have been a 15 yard inspection, sportsmanlike penalty. And then let's just go back to Saturday against Georgia. There's fewer than two minutes to go in the first half. The Tigers are up 10 nothing. They've got third and goal from the one yard line. They've got a stranglehold on this game. Georgia at that point in the game had 20 total yards of offense. So all they've got to do, Jackson Arnold's got to execute this QB sneak. They're up 17.

[Van Lathan]

Oh.

[Joel Anderson]

At the end of the first half, he goes for the sneak, tries to stick the ball across the plane and it comes loose. Looks like it was. I mean, it looks like it should have counted as a touchdown. They call it a fumble.

[Tate Frazier]

Up.

[Joel Anderson]

Hold that call. Then Georgia goes right back down the field, kicks a field goal. Auburn never scores again. And then they lose. I mean, it's just, I mean, if I don't, I. The thing is about the Auburn fan, like, I don't, I don't know what it would be like, to. To be the Auburn fan in this circumstance, because it's like, do you want how you Freeze gone? Like, because maybe the loss helps you to get rid of him and so you can move on past this era. Or like, man, we were really about to get over this hump. We were about to put. We were about to put our foot on the necks of Georgia and then it was taken away from us. But that is hell. Like, is it like. I mean, you got cheated and it's like, man, I don't even know if we want this guy. We'd have probably been watching Cam Newton.

[Van Lathan]

Watching Cam Newton getting honored, getting put in the hall of Fame in the student section. I mean, terrible.

[Tate Frazier]

I once knew a girl, she was a friend of Kalika's, and she said, I remember, I never. She broke up with a boyfriend and she said, you know, the next nigga to take me on a nice date, I'mma marry him. She just goes, I'm sick of it. The next guy that's like, in any way, shape or form that is nice to me, we gonna make it work. I sometimes wonder if Auburn fans feel like that about Hugh Freeze because they have been going through coaches and going on a lot of bad dates. They've been dealing with a lot of guys who they thought were going to be okay, and then they're not going to be okay, this team.

[Van Lathan]

And got stiffed by a superstar, Lane Kiffin. Right?

[Tate Frazier]

Exactly. This team shows signs of life. They're in these games. Yeah, the refs taking these games away, to me, is a lifeline. It's a lifeline to Hugh Freeze because Hugh Freeze can say, you know, I have my team on the field competing with Georgia. I have my team on the field about to go seven up, 17 nothing at Georgia. And the refs just won't let us win these games. We're just getting hosed week after week. And if that doesn't happen, maybe things are different. They go up 170 with the way that they can run the ball with the quarterback. Maybe they shorten that game and they end up winning it. Maybe Georgia relents a little bit. Who knows, right? So I don't know. I wonder, if you're an Auburn fan right now, do you really want to go back to the well and get into another coaching cert and try to convince somebody to come down there and fix that thing and get it back on the. Get the wheels back on the track?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. You're going to have to get back in line like Florida's probably going to need a coach. Florida State might need a coach. Penn State's going to need a coach. I mean, there's all these other jobs that are probably about to come open. Like, where do you think you're. Where do you think you rank in that hierarchy? And like, do you think you're going to get the guy that you want or, you know, again, and we talked about this a couple episodes ago and y' all talked about me like I was crazy. But, man, sometimes you might just have to accept a bad year in football. Like, sometimes things are going to go wrong. There's going to be bad bounces, you're going to get a player hurt and you're not going to be able to recover because these rosters are not as deep. You just can't stack five stars and four stars like you used to. Guys move on. So you may have to accept a bad year every now and again. And going and continually looking for the next thing is how you end up in this cycle. Like Auburn is in right now. It was just like, man, what are we going to do? How are we going to get out of this rut?

[Van Lathan]

And you know what hell really is for Auburn fans to hear Kirby Smart after the game talk about how much he loves Auburn, how much he grew up going to Auburn football games, how he has like his dad's baseball field right down the road. I mean, it's like the best coach in college football, the highest paid coach in college football that has proven he can win national championships. Talking about his affinity for your school without any chance of him ever coaching there. Right. I mean, that to me is hell. So, you know, I feel for Auburn fans in that moment. I know that had to be touched tough for them. So, you know, we touched on it. The gates of hell. We got there. Now let's do one big reaction from over the weekend. Joel, I'll go to you first. One big reaction. What was your takeaway?

[Joel Anderson]

So my thought is that Kurt Signetti is about to get a lot of people fired. I mean, we've already seen a lot of people get fired, right? And there's going to be even more. But I mean, the thing about Kurt Signetti is that again, we talked about this. If you had just told me a year ago that Indiana was going to reload, be undefeated in the top 10, play at an undefeated Oregon and play in Austin, sold out Austin and bully them, right? Like bully. They won by two scores. They really controlled that game. They really controlled that game, man. And, and, and now that I mean, pretty much. I mean, you know, they've got, they've got a few more. A few more, you know, hurdles before they can get there, but it's. I mean, they could, It's a strong possibility if they'll finish this season undefeated. And the thing about that is that it now other co. Other programs are going to look at it and be like, wait, you don't need as much time as you say you do. I'm looking at a guy right now. You could, you could be at North Carolina and be like, hey, Mike Lombardi. I don't know what the hell you talking about, man. What do you mean? We need a three year plan.

[Tate Frazier]

What?

[Joel Anderson]

North Carolina?

[Van Lathan]

That's a vow.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, right. We don't need. We don't.

[Tate Frazier]

Why?

[Joel Anderson]

What are you talking about? Why does it take so long? This guy right over here. Because again, this is Indiana, man. Indiana. And it was one of the worst P4 jobs traditionally in the history of college football.

[Van Lathan]

Like, it's just third worst program in P4. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Very rarely ever, ever been good. We can remember the times they've been good in our life, right? And this dude just comes in, totally changes the culture and does the thing that Penn State fans wanted James Franklin to do. And he does it in his second year in a year in which it would have been fair to expect some drop off, right? You'd have been like, man, a lot of things went y' all away that last year, but you, you're not going to be able to do that again. This is Indiana after all. And he went, he goes ahead and shows that. No, man, I'm a good coach. I'm still building this program. My players have developed. We've got good talent here and we can go and we can play with anybody in this country. We can play with anybody in the country right now in Indiana. So you could be a Kentucky who's right below Indiana and be looking up there like, Mark Stoops. You've had all this time. What is your problem? Right? You could be over at, you know. Well, now Tennessee is doing okay, but all these other schools that are around looking at them, like Michigan could look at that and be like, man, Sharon Moore, we handed you a. We handed you a great program, bro. Yeah, you got this is we get everything you need, everything you want, you've got right here. Why aren't you as good as him? Like, what is going on? So that is my thing, I think Kurt Signetti, man, and it's. People probably gonna end up hating him because of this man, you know, I'm sure there's a lot of coaches like, man, that here, man, damn. You know, if somebody was being class and they'd be answering all the questions and be like, hey, you didn't give us our homework assignment for the night, like, you know, that kind of motherfucker, it's like, Kurt Signetti is the person that is showing everybody else in here ain't working as hard or doing as well like that. He is truly a special individual. So, yeah, man, the list of coaches.

[Tate Frazier]

That took teams that we didn't expect to be national powers to national prominence and made enough noise to get big shots at head coaching jobs, we know these guys, right? You could talk about Scott Frost, you could talk about Tom Herman. You know, people that get to these jobs, they get to a Nebraska or they get to a Texas, and it doesn't work out like we've seen this before. It's not like we haven't seen this. I will say Kurt Signetti is different, though. He's different because, number one, having two years now of sustained winning at this level, plus the Oregon victory, it seems like he's turned a page. Or actually, he hasn't turned a page. He's written a new book as far as Indiana football is concerned, and his players believe what he's writing. He didn't have the expectation of Indiana that everybody else does. He doesn't look at them like that. He's a guy that is crazy enough to believe that if you give him 11 guys and you put them on the football field, that he's going to find a way to win. And his players believe in that. And they play like that. And they play free and they play loose, they play nasty, they play physical, and they play with precision. And it seems like a style that could work anywhere. It seems like Kirk Sinetti could make any group of players believe, because he's made this group of players believe, despite the fact that none of us had any reason to believe in Indiana and that even though they continued to win football games, we still wouldn't. Until they took it. They had to go take it. They had to go take it. After last year, we lied. Look at the schedule. They didn't play here. They played against Ohio State. They lost. Look at the schedule. They didn't play. This team didn't have to go through. And we're watching it now. We're like, oh, wait a second. When it's time for them to dominate, they dominate. And when it's time for them to win, they win. And so you'd have to. He's giving you proof of concept. I'm not saying that they're going to be perfect, that he can make a group of guys go out there and believe in themselves and get the job done.

[Van Lathan]

Indiana was 0 and 46 as a program against top five teams on the road.

[Joel Anderson]

It's crazy.

[Van Lathan]

They win their first game against Oregon. I mean, that says enough right there. And also shout out to Indiana, the boosters, the administration, for them to sign him to an eight year contract extension last December. They obviously saw the vision and they saw the fact that there's going to be a lot of people that are knocking on their doorstep trying to get Signetti. But again, he seems happy there and obviously he's making his own way. And you know they're going to build a statue for him at some point. I say he's the Bobby Knight of football.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, that's kind of why I was just like. That was the thing with me and Caitlin DeBoer in Washington. I'm just like, man, you know, you can win at these schools, man. You don't have to. You don't necessarily. The old paradigm of I got to be at this school and that's the only way that I can win or compete. Like it's just not quite the same thing. Like that's that where you used to have to have a certain percentage of 4 stars and 5 stars on your roster to win. You can work that portal, you can develop the guys you've got and clearly Signet, work that portal.

[Tate Frazier]

Jesus. You can work that.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, work the portal.

[Tate Frazier]

Work that portal hard, huh?

[Joel Anderson]

You got to get through that portal, man.

[Van Lathan]

You gotta get through that portal.

[Joel Anderson]

That's for sure. That's right. Getting that portal.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, the irony of it too is Michael Pennix is at Indiana, right? And he probably sees a ceiling to what he can do. He goes to Washington and now it's like, well, Indiana, they can do it.

[Tate Frazier]

We know what they did though, right? They got some pinnocks in the portal. And that's what you see, the X factor. You put some pin in the portal. No, you end up. It takes you to the next place. It's crazy shit.

[Joel Anderson]

I disavow that because apparently that man does not like penning T shirts.

[Van Lathan]

I disavow.

[Joel Anderson]

Have you ever seen pinnock? He walked up on somebody about that in Dade City. You don't want to fuck with Dade City, man.

[Van Lathan]

He didn't like that. He doesn't like that. You know, one letter away, the vic and the Pinnock. You know what I mean? Like, Atlanta's loving him right now. So shout out to Michael Penck. Van. One big reaction from the weekend for you, man.

[Tate Frazier]

My one big reaction is Tate is actually scared of heights. Tate. So look, I got to give a report on the. The USC game.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah, that's right, because y' all were late, just like I predicted.

[Tate Frazier]

We weren't late.

[Joel Anderson]

You were late.

[Van Lathan]

We beat kickoff. We didn't get to. We didn't go. Get to go on the field. That was.

[Tate Frazier]

We didn't get to go on the field.

[Joel Anderson]

That was the whole.

[Tate Frazier]

But, but, but. So listen, we take Jomi and Kai. Shout out to Joe. Me and Kai.

[Van Lathan]

Yep. Shut up.

[Tate Frazier]

Shout out to my man, Cody Worsham. Cody's a fantastic guy. Used to work for LSU, now he works for SC. Cody hooked us up. So we're at 19, Club 1923, which is a. A level at the Coliseum, where you.

[Van Lathan]

Got new, by the way.

[Tate Frazier]

All new. Brand new.

[Van Lathan]

Beautiful, brand new.

[Tate Frazier]

They've really done a great job with the Coliseum.

[Joel Anderson]

All right.

[Tate Frazier]

It used to be a fucked up place. I'm not gonna bullshit you. But they refurbish it. It looks great. So we had Club 1923, and it's. You're up there. It's all new, it's all clean. It's great. You got your own bathrooms in there, and you can order food and all of that like that, right? So we're up there, but Club 1923 is not on the lower levels, right? It's like club seating. Or a little bit higher. It's nice.

[Van Lathan]

It's higher.

[Tate Frazier]

It's higher. So me, Jomi and Kai and Tate, we find there's like one group of seats that's right next to the thing. You look down on the field. It's not bleachers. All of that stuff is like, area you could walk and sit. It's like 1. 1. You just sit next to the little.

[Van Lathan]

It's like bar seating.

[Tate Frazier]

Bar seating to. Thank you, Tate. Bar seating. You watch the game, but you're. You're up high a little bit, right? So we're sitting down and we're all watching it. And I look over at Tate.

[Van Lathan]

They're leaning over. I'm leaning back.

[Tate Frazier]

I'm leaning over to look at the game. Tate's way back here. And I'm like, yo, you good? And Tate's like, oh, man, I don't fuck with heights.

[Van Lathan]

And I think that he is stories up. Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

I think that he is joking. I'm like. And Jomi and Kai are looking like, you know. And then I look back. Yo, Tate is fucking going through it. Like, he is like. He's like. Tate is, like, leaning back. He's not looking at the game. He's judging the game by the cheers that he hears because he won't look at the field. He's too high up to look. And you guys, when I tell you it is a beautiful day in Los Angeles, where we're sitting, you can see the entire downtown LA skyline behind cityscape, you can see some of the big monuments that they have on SC's campus. There's a George Lucas fucking Star wars museum to your left. It's fucking crazy. There's the Natural Science Museum to your right. You can see all it. It is a gorgeous day. Gorgeous day in la. Tate getting none of it, doesn't care. Tate leaning back. I look, I look at him.

[Van Lathan]

I'm seeing it. I'm seeing enough.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, I look at him, I go, yo, you want a break? Me and Tate leave the edge of actually watching the game and go sit in the couches in the middle of Club 1923 and watch the game on the TV.

[Van Lathan]

I watched all the games. I gotta get to the game.

[Joel Anderson]

All the games are all.

[Tate Frazier]

We did ring or tailgate work. Sitting down at the couch, we hear people screaming. And then we look at the monitor.

[Van Lathan]

Then you get to watch it. It's pretty.

[Tate Frazier]

And then we see what they had. Cause the fucking screams happen first. And then the monitor. You go to the monitor. Tate, literally, for real scared of heights. Had to move away from it.

[Joel Anderson]

Tate, do you. Cause, you know, and I relate to this because I'm afraid of heights.

[Van Lathan]

Big reaction from the game.

[Tate Frazier]

That's my big reaction. My big reaction is Tate is scared of heights. But for real.

[Joel Anderson]

Tate, can you drive? Can you drive on the pch? Like, are you afraid? Or can you drive, like, on the side of the freeway there or the highway?

[Van Lathan]

I can give some background just to my, you know, my fear, heights. I jumped out of an airplane when I turned 21 in Spain. And it was supposed to be, like, a way to get over my fear of heights. You know what I mean? You go up 12,000ft, they're like, yeah, we'll jump out of this airplane. You know, you'll get over it, all this sort of stuff. And once you fall, free fall for 60 seconds, trust me, it's a lot worse than you thought. You know what I mean? Like, you build it up in your mind, you know, you're like, this is going to Be terrible. All this sort of stuff. Like, it's way worse than I thought. And then once you've had that feeling, you know, and then you're standing up there eight stories, you know, there's really no gap down. I'm like, I, I, I have this weird, like, magnetic pool, like, towards the, the edge, too. That's why I had to lean back, because I feel like I'm gonna fall. You know what?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

So, yeah. It was funny, though, to see Van and, and Jomi and Kai all kind of be like, is he all right?

[Joel Anderson]

I'm like, yeah, man.

[Van Lathan]

It's not good.

[Tate Frazier]

We were, we were. Jomi and Kai were actually annoyed.

[Joel Anderson]

We could have because.

[Tate Frazier]

So, so I'll tell y' all, for real. Jamie and Kai were annoyed because we broke up the group.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I didn't, I wasn't trying to break up the group. You guys stay there. I'm all good.

[Tate Frazier]

I watched, came over because I started drinking beers and having a good time. I'll have a couple beers, you know. What are y' all doing?

[Joel Anderson]

Why is it so high? I don't understand. I thought the luxury thing is supposed to be a little bit closer to the action, too.

[Van Lathan]

Old field, you know?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

What is this?

[Joel Anderson]

I don't understand.

[Van Lathan]

The skyscraper.

[Joel Anderson]

Could you even see the game for real up there?

[Tate Frazier]

Don't even come at me like that. We were supposed to be on the field, but we were not on the field because you were late.

[Joel Anderson]

I told y', all, I told y'.

[Tate Frazier]

All, don't get at me in any way, shape or form.

[Joel Anderson]

Y' all are up the chemistry of the show by doing this. I told you that you all were not gonna make it.

[Van Lathan]

By the way, this is.

[Tate Frazier]

Look, we still had a good ass time.

[Joel Anderson]

I didn't sound like it. That was your big reaction. Your big reaction was that Tate fucked up the whole, the whole Saturday.

[Tate Frazier]

We still had a good ass time, but the problem was that.

[Joel Anderson]

Tate, did you have a good time?

[Van Lathan]

I had a good time.

[Tate Frazier]

We still had a great time. We saw Jonathan Kamingo walking around at the game.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Crazy.

[Tate Frazier]

Just walking around the game was fun. We still had a good time. But it was just funny that me and Tate, like, we're literally sitting down. Like, people were coming over to us asking us questions and, like, having, like, yeah, just like we have, we con. We're having confidence. There was a lady that was wearing a skirt and the skirt wasn't covered. Like, me and Tate were being two guys at the bar. Like, like, you know, we'd be in two guys at the bar. You know what I'm saying?

[Joel Anderson]

Wait, what are you. What about the skirt? I don't know. You got complete. That thought.

[Tate Frazier]

We weren't in any way being.

[Van Lathan]

We're taking in the sights and sounds. You know what I mean? That's all you can do.

[Tate Frazier]

We're taking in the sights, right? We're taking in the sights. But we were being too good. We'd like, hey, look at that. We have two guys at the bar. Not in a bad way. Everybody. Not in a bad way.

[Van Lathan]

Respectful way.

[Tate Frazier]

Respectful. In a respectful. There you go. In a respectful way. That's. That's the way you say it.

[Van Lathan]

Tasteful way. Yeah, that's all it is. It was a great time though. And why my one big reaction from watching on the TV in this game. RB King Miller, running back for USC. Walk on. 158 yards in a touchdown. In this game, both backs go down for USC and they were able to run the football. So I wanted to give a shout out to USC and now he's got to start this week a walk on true freshman walk on for this team. So USC got a run game. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

I thought, I thought Michigan, I thought Michigan did defense. I thought that was the one thing that they were supposed to be able to rely on.

[Van Lathan]

They did not have the defense. Martindale's not happy about what that performance was, but yeah. Great weekend of football. We're gonna take a quick break. When we come back, we're gonna break down what we're gonna see this next weekend and we're gonna get back to football team cuz we got big van on campus. We'll be right back after the break. Ringer Tailgate is brought to you by fanduel. This college football season is delivering weekly showdowns you don't want to miss. And right now, all customers on FanDuel can score a 50% profit boost for this week's big match on campus between Tennessee and Alabama. If you go to fanduel right now, you can look at the touchdown scoring props. I like Chris Brazil, big fr. Big fan of Chris Basel of Tennessee. You can get him to score a touchdown plus 145 right now. And the best part, you get paid instantly when you win. Use your boost on bets like spreads over unders, team props and so much more. Don't wait. Visit FanDuel.com Tailgate to download the app and boost your next Bet must be 21 or older and present in select states or 18 and older and present in DC, Kentucky or Wyoming. Opt in required bonus issued as non withdrawable profit boost tokens. Restrictions apply including any token expiration at max wager amount. See [e-mail] gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit rg-help.com call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chatinconnecticut. This episode is brought to you by Jack Daniels.

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[Tate Frazier]

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[Van Lathan]

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[Tate Frazier]

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[Van Lathan]

All right, welcome back. Ring your tailgate. Big week of games coming up. Here are the four big games that are on the docket. We got number five, Ole Miss, at number nine, Georgia. Lane Kiffin already calling out Kirby Smart for not burning enough calories on the sidelines. That was a great clip from, you know, kind of the pregame process there. We got number 20, USC at number 13, Notre Dame. Great rivalry game. Excited to see what that looks like. Lincoln Riley trying to get over the hump against Marcus Freeman. And Notre Dame, number 11, Tennessee, at number 6, Alabama. The third, what is it, the third Saturday of October? That's the nickname for this game, Tennessee. Alabama. If you know anything about those two teams, they hate each other. I mean, there is a lot of, a lot of hatred between those two fan bases. And then, of course, we got number 10, LSU at number 17, Vanderbilt. Van, I go to you first. What of those four games really stands out to you?

[Tate Frazier]

Well, I mean, look, for me, the game that obviously, you gotta say this every week, the game that I'm most interested in is LSU at Vanderbilt, blah, blah, blah.

[Joel Anderson]

I decided to say, just go pick lsu. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Get that one, too.

[Joel Anderson]

He a booster, man. I mean, of course, he's got a real investment in this program.

[Tate Frazier]

Shut up. But for some reason, it's SC and Notre Dame. I don't know why. I mean, Tennessee and Alabama is a game with big, big, big time implications, right? Tennessee wins that game, it really kind of jump starts their season again and vaults them to the top of people's minds in terms of the program. Since the loss to Georgia, Tennessee has kind of been operating under the radar a little bit. But if they beat Alabama, with the high that Alabama is riding on, it's almost like Tennessee and Alabama switch places in this game depending on who wins. Ole Miss in Georgia, another interesting game. As much season as we've had, still kind of don't know exactly what Ole Miss is. Struggled a little bit at times last week against Wazoo, Georgia. We're still watching the team. That is a good team. Are they a great team? Are they an elite team? It doesn't really seem like it, but SC and Notre Dame is really interesting. Will SC continue their trajectory and getting better and better every single week. They were able to actually push Michigan around a little bit and dominate that football game a little bit, right? Athlete to athlete, they came out there. We could talk about the travel, we could talk about a lot of other things that I think is fucking with the football, but, you know, SC looked really good. Or does Notre Dame continue to make their march to be a team that rises out of the ashes to make a playoff push after losing their first two games of the season? I think that's the game that I think, for whatever reason I'm the most interested in.

[Van Lathan]

I love to hear it. That's good news. And also USC for Big Ten purposes, you know, conference propaganda purposes. If USC wins that game against Notre Dame, that's really, you know, nice. Feather in the cab for the Big Ten. Joel, what about you? Of those four games, which one stands out?

[Joel Anderson]

Well, real quick, if Joey Aguilar beats Alabama, he'll have as many top 10 victories as my boy Nico.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, there you go.

[Joel Anderson]

Be the first time. Yeah, it'll be nice for him to, to. To match up to 1.

[Van Lathan]

By the way, Chris Ryan. Chris Ryan reached out to me and was like, keep up the Nico bit. He loves it. So you. You have.

[Joel Anderson]

It's not a bit there. Not a bit. I love.

[Tate Frazier]

No, it's a bit.

[Joel Anderson]

No, it's not a bit.

[Tate Frazier]

What's Nico's last name?

[Joel Anderson]

I am a lever.

[Tate Frazier]

See, why you.

[Joel Anderson]

Why are you setting me up, man? You know.

[Tate Frazier]

You talk about how much you love the Red.

[Joel Anderson]

About to go crazy. People don't know the people's names, man.

[Tate Frazier]

I love her. I love her. I love her.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm a leaver. I'm a leaver. I think that's right.

[Tate Frazier]

You don't know. You don't love him.

[Joel Anderson]

I think that's right. I am a lever. That sounds right.

[Tate Frazier]

Back to the names the people on our Bill Simmons podcast.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure that's low IQ high right here, man. I already know how that's going down, man. But actually, I was thinking that, you know, this Ole Miss Georgia game is really interesting to me because last year, Ole Miss really pulled off that upset against Georgia. Last year, man, they did. You know, when Georgia was number three in the country and that was when people thought, oh, Lane and Ole Miss, finally they're going to, they're going to live up. You know, they were the, they were the Penn State of last year, right? Like they had loaded up, spent all that money in the port on the portal, built this team to go to the playoffs.

[Van Lathan]

Fell short, right?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, they look great and it didn't work out. Right. And so this year, like, they, they have a chance to, to, to prove again, like, all right, like, we really are where we're supposed to be. Like, we are really among the elite programs like Bama and Georgia. Like, this is kind of game that everybody always sort of expects Ole Miss to lose. Like, we expect Ole Miss to be really good, but then like when the, when it's really nut crunching time, they're not going to really do it. So I just, I, I'm really interested in that. And also, they look so bad against Wazoo last week. And maybe it was like, look, they were coming off of a bye week. It was a noon start.

[Van Lathan]

If it was calling out the students, he's like, I wish they showed up for the game.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I'm, I'm sure they just. The LSU thing was a big deal for them, was sort of cathartic. I'm sure that they needed a lot to get pumped up, but this time they're going to really have to show up. And I'll be interested to see again, once again, the difficulty for Trinidad. Chambliss goes up again. Like I said, when he played against lsu, I was like, he had never played against athletes that good before in his life. Once again, Georgia, he's never played against athletes this good before. This is a Kirby smart defense now, right, that he's got to go up against. So I'll be interested to see how he handles that. And the thing about the one thing that speaks in their favor is that Georgia does not have, they cannot get to the quarterback this year. They are one of the worst pass rush grades in the country. They only have six sacks this season, five of them by linebackers. So, remember, this is a program that used to do really well with defensive linemen. You know, Jalen Carter.

[Van Lathan]

Now they're all on the Eagles.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The other bits. Yeah, they're all on the Eagles. Right. And Nolan Smith, whatever. They always had guys that could get edges or whatever they could get to the guys. They don't have that this year. So that gives. That is one thing. In Ole Miss's favorite, the Trinidad Chambers probably will have a chance to be comfortable in the pocket. So, again, this is the only game that matches up two teams ranked in the top 10, too. So, yeah, that is, of course, like, for me, the game that I really want to see.

[Van Lathan]

Also, Vegas thinks that Georgia is going to win that game by 10 points. The line's nine and a half. So that's also fascinating that, you know, Vegas seems to be leaning towards Georgia in that game. Also, I saw some of the Georgia defenders talking about, like, they remember last year, all this sort of stuff. So there's a bit of a chip on the shoulder. Going to be a chippy game. And obviously Kirby Lane, former Saban, guys that work together. I saw that picture with those two guys and Signetti floating around this week. You know, it's kind of funny to see those three coaches where they are now versus where they were back in 2010. All right, favorite other matchup on the board. Van, who do you like?

[Tate Frazier]

I'm really interested as a team and as a program in this matchup. Both teams. Both programs. Oklahoma and South Carolina. Man. South Carolina. And what's happening there with Lenore Sellers? You know, they go down to Baton Rouge. Lenora Sellers is less than dynamic against the LSU Tigers. If not for the red zone turnovers, that game could have gotten away from South Carolina and really ended up in a blowout. They really did not show up in the game against LSU in any way, shape or form. LSU actually was able to run the ball. I wasn't sure LSU could run the ball against McKinley High. Parking Baptist. Redempturist. I don't even think redemption is around a little anymore. And Redemptrist could probably stop them. I think the school closed. Catholic High.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I was gonna say bathroom. Bruce Catholic. Major Applewhite's all Maloney.

[Van Lathan]

Shut up.

[Tate Frazier]

I'm talking about. I just saw major apple.

[Joel Anderson]

Larry's McGeist. Larry's guy.

[Tate Frazier]

South Alabama. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Catholic High. Did you know, as Matt Moscone would say.

[Joel Anderson]

Have I ever shown you this? Have you ever seen this?

[Tate Frazier]

Old South Baton Rouge, the roots of hope? No. Okay. No. Show me that.

[Joel Anderson]

This has always been here. I've been meaning to show you that for a long time.

[Tate Frazier]

What is old South Baton Rouge? The roots of hope. What is that?

[Joel Anderson]

I was working on a story about Darius Geist when I was at espn. Went and talked to somebody on campus. Story never came together because Darius Geist was ducking me. He avoided me the whole weekend. I never got to write about him, but probably for good reason.

[Tate Frazier]

Well, shout out to Catholic High and. Shout out to Catholic High. Go and get all the boys from South Baton Rouge to go to Catholic so that they don't go to McKinley. So that McKinley fucking sucks. And we don't have any more Buster Johnsons and Ronnie Josephs and Wally Kirbys and all of the guys that made McKinley great. Cause they are Catholic now. So shout out to that. And money ruining everything in high school football. But what. Anyway, back to. I don't know how the fuck we got there, but Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Carolina could not stop the run. Oklahoma loses a heartbreaking game against Texas. Heartbreaking game against Texas. Probably not the greatest idea to start the guy coming off the hand injury that soon. I want to see how both of these teams show up on Saturday. It's going to be a good game to me, man.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, the thing about Oklahoma, too, is that everybody spent that whole time talking about, man, you know, Texas, they can't run the ball. They're not giving Arch Manning A and support. It was like, oh, you know who else can't run the ball? Oklahoma. You know, like Matia again, we. I talked about this earlier. There's so much pressure on Mater to make something happen in that offense. Like the. The whole thing revolves around him. And if he's compromised on some sort of way, or he can be slowed in some sort of way, they're not as good. Like, I mean, Oklahoma was undefeated going into that game, but they still. They didn't. It's kind of like Ole Miss right now, right? It's like they're undefeated.

[Van Lathan]

It doesn't mean we still need to see something, right?

[Joel Anderson]

We still need to see it. We still need to see. But my thing is, and this is the old Southwest Conference guy. I mean old Raycom Network ass.

[Van Lathan]

Shout out to Raycom.

[Joel Anderson]

Raycom Network. Texas A and M in Arkansas, bro. So A and M has been to Fayetteville like twice in the last 30 years and been there in 12. They, they were playing that game in Dallas at Jerry World as a neutral site game, but now they're going up to Fayetteville and man, this is going to be Bobby Petrino's first home game in charge since he was the interim coach. They're honoring Darren McFadden up there this week. So there's going to be. They're going to be pretty hype that. So again, I think that the Aggies seem to have the most complete team in the SEC this year. Like, they've done the most interesting to make me feel with the exception, like some, you know, Marcel Reed is not perfect. Like he's getting better and I think that he's growing into the position. But the defense is thorough, the third down defense is amazing and they seem, they can, they can run, they can.

[Tate Frazier]

Pass, they give up a shit ton of points in Notre Dame.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, they did, they did. But I mean, like that, I think that's just a testament to how good they both those teams are, right? They can, they can, they can rock with both those squads. So anyway, I just again, and I don't mean to do this to A and M and its fans, but again, it's just one of those things, like if you are who we think you are, if, like, if this is going to be as good as you are, and this is the first time they've been ranked this high in season in like 30 years. Like, this is, you know, a throwback to the day, their glory days, basically. So if we are who they think they are, they should win this game. This should not be a problem. They are much better than Arkansas. But like, it just feels like one of those things where Bobby Petrino could cook up something with Taylor Green and this is, you know, you know, they, they're going to be amped and them folks in Fayetteville, they remember that rivalry again, saying them. So it's just, it just kind of seems like the place, the setting of an ambush. And so if A and M can kind of handle themselves in that environment, I think it'll really say something about them.

[Van Lathan]

My neighbor is a big Arkansas guy. He was telling me the other day that basically Petrino's in. He was like, petrino's going to be the coach. He was like, he's definitely got the relationships on the ground. All the high school coaches love him, all the boosters love him. So just putting that out there, that Petrino is the leader in the club.

[Joel Anderson]

They could do worse.

[Tate Frazier]

Might as well go with what you know. Yeah, they don't want to kick the tires on any of these guys.

[Van Lathan]

I'm sure they will kick the tires, but I think Bobby Petrino, I think they all love him, you know what I mean? And they're like, we got him back.

[Tate Frazier]

Your neighbor Felix Jones told you that, huh?

[Van Lathan]

Peyton Hillis, Matt Jones.

[Joel Anderson]

They didn't. I mean, he didn't lose that job because he was a bad coach, you know.

[Van Lathan]

Right. I think that's their whole job.

[Tate Frazier]

Because he was hitting hoes.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man.

[Tate Frazier]

You know, he made it hot.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Tip of the cap. You know what I mean? That's what it is. Well, that's one thing you can't do in this game. The holy war. Number 23, Utah, at number 16, BYU. That's my favorite other matchup. So weekend, you win the beehive boot if you win this game. Utah looked great last week. BYU escapes at Arizona.

[Tate Frazier]

So they're not at BYU, are they @ Utah? Is you Utah? They can, right?

[Joel Anderson]

Well, there's no school. I don't think there's school rules.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, but I. I think it's still, you know, if you're a Mormon, it's frowned upon.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

Wait, okay, so hold on for a second.

[Joel Anderson]

Not even a byu.

[Tate Frazier]

No.

[Joel Anderson]

No matter who you are. Even if you're. Even if you're not morbid.

[Tate Frazier]

I remember when they were. So. They were soaking it up. Y' all know the soaking, right?

[Joel Anderson]

So that's what I'm saying.

[Van Lathan]

So I didn't know about this. Yeah, they.

[Tate Frazier]

Oh, well, we talked about it at TMZ back in the day. They were soaking. Just leave it. Leave that in. So it. But if you are. But Utah is not a Mormon school, though, right?

[Joel Anderson]

No, no.

[Van Lathan]

They just have Mormon kids that go there. Have their own.

[Tate Frazier]

How many Mormon kids go there? Shout out to the Mormons, by the way, not to diss your. You know, if you don't want, you shouldn't have to do it. Kids, if you don't want to have sex, don't let anybody. Don't let culture force you to have sex. You don't have to. Having said that, if this is a game in state, one group of kids is fucking, the other group of kids is not fucking. Who do you give the edge to? Does it help or does it hinder?

[Van Lathan]

42% of students at Utah self identify as Latter day Saints, so.

[Tate Frazier]

42%. And then I would imagine that it's like 100 or 90% of the kids. BYU. Right. It's going to be. It's going to. Is it? So you really have. It's a. It's a game against the fucks and the fuck not.

[Van Lathan]

Do you really.

[Joel Anderson]

Do you really think they not fucking, though? I mean, do you really think they not fucking, though? That's the thing.

[Tate Frazier]

So. So not like they. Not like they would be. I do think that they're probably. They're probably. They probably still get. Because the soaking is basically. I love how people think God don't. Like. I don't mean to say, because this sounds crazy to even say, but it's like. I don't know how to say this other than to say. It's like, God is not stupid. So it's like if God asks you not to have sex, and then you go, well, I just put it in and I leave it there and I don't do nothing.

[Van Lathan]

You think Then someone shakes the bed.

[Joel Anderson]

It's a technicality.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah. And you think that God is like, hey, they got me, you know?

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, you found a loophole.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, they found a loophole. You think like, hey, they got me. No, I don't know what you guys think is going on. Why don't you just go ahead and get it in? You can't fool him. He sees it all. He knew that you were gonna do that even before you did it. So I never understood this in any way, shape, or form, but I guess the question is if it's the fucks against the fuck nots. Utah versus byu.

[Joel Anderson]

Who is.

[Tate Frazier]

Who's got the. Who's got the edge? Based upon the bedroom activities, it's probably Utah, right?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Ah, you know, man, I just feel.

[Van Lathan]

Like you're so fired up because they have nothing else to distract.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. And I also just remember, man, being in college, man, like, sometimes that just really can just. It can really just destroy your focus. Like, you just the way the ways you got to go about getting it can make you really undisciplined. You know what I mean?

[Van Lathan]

The big loophole that I've heard from a BYU friend is that they go to Vegas, they get married, they do the deed, and then they get like, it annulled, and then they go back to campus.

[Tate Frazier]

But you see what I'm talking about?

[Joel Anderson]

Come on.

[Tate Frazier]

That's why go through all of that. It's like, I really don't understand. This is in no way this in the culture because I watch the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, same here, man.

[Joel Anderson]

That was a whole episode of Fresh Prince, by the way.

[Tate Frazier]

You remember crazy? They going nuts, bro.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, I haven't seen this.

[Tate Frazier]

They going crazy. They and they. And they. And they, like, they naked in the hot tub and.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, yeah, they're doing everything. They're doing ketamine.

[Tate Frazier]

They popping on the Secret lives of Mormon wives. It's going crazy. And so I look at that as BYU students and BYU football players, because I'm sure this is the last thing I'll say about it. I'm sure that at byu they recruited some dude from, I don't know, Chicago or something like that. And they showed them all, I want to go byu. And then the first week on campus, they go, okay, here's the honor code. And he's like, okay, cool. You know, his name is Gentavius Smith Jr. And he looks at the honor code and it's like, what you mean.

[Joel Anderson]

Hit him with a gun and fuck you? I feel like that.

[Tate Frazier]

It's like, what you. What you talking about? Like, it's the point of college, what you mean?

[Joel Anderson]

So there was.

[Tate Frazier]

Now they gotta go out there against Utah, see who wins. Holy ward.

[Joel Anderson]

There was a dude in my class in Houston area who went out to byu. It was a brother, you know, he went to Eric Dickerson's alma mater. He was a really highly recruited running back. And he went up there for one year and came back home. And I was like, yeah, man, of course. Like, why would you agree to that? You know? I mean, you just know, man, you not gonna be able to do it, man.

[Tate Frazier]

Not hating on a shout out to him. I'm just saying.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, no, I'm not hating. I'm just saying. I mean, the reality of the situation is that people want to fuck, man. Especially when they get to college and they away from home. Yeah, man.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, 2011, Brandon Davies, second best player on the gym, referred to BYU. He got kicked off the team for breaking the code.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, breaking the code. You can't be on the team with.

[Van Lathan]

His girlfriend this entire.

[Joel Anderson]

He married her too, by the way. He married her? Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

Next week we will do this game. This game, Utah vs BYU is a referendum on Mormon sex.

[Van Lathan]

Who's on the right side of the line?

[Tate Frazier]

This is. This is a referendum on you. Whoever wins this game. 23, number 23, Utah at number 16, BYU. Then we will know. To soak or not to soak. That is the question, and it's a great question.

[Van Lathan]

We will get the answer next week. And Joseph Smith will update the golden tablets after that. So that'll be good. Other games, other notable games. Louisville at number two, Miami, Friday night. Miami has been number two, played on Friday and lost multiple times this century. 2016 to Pittsburgh, 2017 to Syracuse. So I just want to flag that game. Louisville at Miami. Louisville a tougher team in the trenches than many people might think. So that could be a. A tough matchup for the hurricanes. Number 12, Georgia Tech at Duke. Duke favored in that game. So Georgia Tech and Miami both on upset alert. Potentially two good games to watch. Wazoo at number 18. Virginia. Wazoo looked good last week. Zevi Eckhouse looked really good. So another game to watch out for. A few more. Washington at Michigan. We'll see what happens with Michigan. A and M. Arkansas. We talked about that game. Number one, Ohio State is at Wisconsin. SMU at Clemson. A game that should have been a good game, but probably not so much anymore. Maryland at ucla.

[Joel Anderson]

Joel, that's the Joe bowl right there, bro. I wish I was out there for that one. I was, man. I would be, boy. I would be at the Rose Bowl. I stopped at the Bristol Crystal Farms and get me one of the cookies, you know, and be in the stands and watch that game. I would love to do that, man.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, we need you to fly out for that game. Pitt at Syracuse, another good game. Old Big east game. Florida State at Stanford, and of course, North Carolina at California. I was supposed to be at that game. I sold my tickets. I'm not gonna.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, man, that's too.

[Van Lathan]

I love Berkeley, though. Shout out to Berkeley.

[Joel Anderson]

Berkeley's great town, man. I just love that place. Oh, I would love to do it. Yeah. I like. I love just the briskness, man. Oh, real quick about that Wisconsin game. Just as a note, that's going to be what Luke Fickles last game is head coach. Is that game in Wisconsin? Yeah, he's next up. That's it. That's. That's the exact scenario. Ohio State's up 27 to nothing at halftime. Everybody's mad at Luke Fickle in the badges. And then they'd be like, man, we just can't let this go on. And then he gets to go home.

[Van Lathan]

So, yeah, last name is very fitting there for Luke Fickle. All right, it's time. Big van on campus. Van, I turn it over to you, Michigan, Sharon Moore. Okay, I'm pulling up this thread. It's so good.

[Tate Frazier]

All right, Sharon, I root for you. I root for you, bro. Like, I don't really root for him.

[Van Lathan]

Joe's giving the side out.

[Joel Anderson]

I was like, what? Yeah, What?

[Van Lathan]

We just rooted against him at the USC game.

[Joel Anderson]

He trying not to seem like a hater, but I get to be a hater, bro.

[Tate Frazier]

Cause you can't Because I understand the plight. We've talked about it a little bit. When you played the race car earlier, Joel, which is something I never do. It wasn't even a hater.

[Joel Anderson]

I was just saying the reality.

[Tate Frazier]

Situation. Insensitive to the plight of the black. I think that Sharon Moore has done a fine job.

[Joel Anderson]

No, you don't.

[Tate Frazier]

Hit man in Michigan.

[Joel Anderson]

He's not done. He done no fine job. He doesn't know he done no fine job.

[Tate Frazier]

He's done fine, man. I think he's done a fine job. Look, he beat Ohio State, you know, he's won some games. The things haven't gone completely off the rails. He's got a new young quarterback and young team CEO. Two and a half. But Sherrone Moore, you gotta stop being such a herb, bruh. What the fuck, dawg? Like, you can't do it. Sherrone Moore, you gotta stop being such a herb. When he cried. I don't mind crying. Look, I cried on the thing over Superman. It's not about the crying. It's about how he looked with the cry.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

And now we got him. After the loss of usc, after the loss to sc, he's got the blue collar jacket on. And he says, we gotta go back to work. That's the reason I got the blue collar jacket on. Which then inspired a whole legion of being so good. He's in the fireman's fucking uniform. He's in a police uniform. He a Navy seal. He work at Arby's. Every.

[Van Lathan]

The chef hat on.

[Tate Frazier]

Chef hat on, the whole nine. Bro, you making a mockery out of Michigan football. Bro, you making a mockery. The one thing you don't want to do, the one thing you don't want to make is a mockery. Stop it. Sharon Moore. Don't. What's with all the histrionics and the stunts and all of that? But it's starting to become a situation. Remember the white wife thing?

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, man. You remember that? Oh, I mean, the white wife thing was crazy. Cause it wasn't even. Nobody had asked him about his wife.

[Van Lathan]

It's unprompted.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, he just brought it up.

[Tate Frazier]

What would they ask him about, like, Jaylen Milroe? Jalen Milroe. And he comes back, yeah, my wife is white. And we like Sharon. What are you talking about? Who is this for? Michigan. You on the right track. I think you got a good young coach, Sharon Moore. Please, bro. Please stop with the herb shit. I don't like the way they make fun of you. I don't like it. And I'm trying to get them to stop making fun of you, but you won't stop doing shit that lets them make fun of you. I don't like it. Sharon Moore. Stop it.

[Joel Anderson]

It's embarrassing. He's embarrassed. He's embarrassing more, man. Just as. Just as they might fire your black ass. I'm just saying. You know what I mean? I don't. How much longer do you think if Joel says that.

[Van Lathan]

You don't want to hear that.

[Joel Anderson]

At what point. I mean, at what point are they going to have. I mean, again, I guess the Ohio. Hey, Michigan. If the Ohio State victory is everything, then great. Amazing. You can live off that and feel good about your program. Man, we got Ohio State. Amazing. Or maybe like, you would like to be an elite program again, and you don't look like that right now. If I had Bryce Underwood on my team and I, you know, my, my. You know, the booster had spent all that money on that boy to bring him up to school there. I don't know if I trust Jerome more with him for another year, man. Dude ain't complete. He completes 60% of his passes. That is a great number for 1999. That is a great. I mean, again, he's a freshman. I understand. He's true freshman. He's still getting it together. But at a certain point, I'm just like, okay. Like, I would like to see a little bit more. You know, I'd like to see a little bit more development. And the defense is getting worse. And the defense is set up steadily getting worse. Now, that's the other thing, too.

[Van Lathan]

It's like, all right, well, the worst when he's coached, by the way, when he was out. When he was out and Biff was coaching, they looked a lot better.

[Tate Frazier]

Oh, I like that. You like it better when Biff was coaching.

[Van Lathan]

I'm just saying they look better. I'm not saying I like it.

[Tate Frazier]

I mean. So you. You preferred that.

[Van Lathan]

I didn't prefer it. Just saying they look better.

[Tate Frazier]

But there was something about it.

[Van Lathan]

I missed the sleeveless look for Biff, but you know what I mean. I'm saying the team look better.

[Tate Frazier]

You're like, it just looked more natural to have him leading things. Right?

[Joel Anderson]

No. Why are you pressing Tate? See, Tate, just remember this when you be siding with Van because he called you out and called you a hoe, basically.

[Van Lathan]

He did.

[Joel Anderson]

He did. He did. He's like, that motherfucker's scared of the heights, man. For real. Put that out there when nobody was talking about that, man. Just remember that. I haven't done that to you.

[Tate Frazier]

No, I did. Not at all.

[Joel Anderson]

I haven't done that to you.

[Tate Frazier]

That's not what that was about.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Tate Frazier]

I was just. I was surprised that it was for real. I wasn't taking. I was surprised people were afraid of heights.

[Van Lathan]

You did support me, and you also were like, I get it. Because, hey, Joel, when we go up.

[Tate Frazier]

There, you're gonna see.

[Van Lathan]

It's high. It's high, man.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm afraid of heights. I don't want to watch football like that. I don't want to do that.

[Van Lathan]

One more thing on Sharon Moore. By the way, he did not get asked about the jacket. He brought this up unprompted again. You know what I mean? That was the best. Smart. Like he wanted someone to ask him about the jacket. Just.

[Joel Anderson]

He need to let the journalists lead the questions at the. At the press conference, man.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, they don't ask. Leave it be. This guy, Buckeye Bat, did a whole thread on this. He had the chef outfit on. He said, that's why I'm wearing chef whites to remind the team and fans to keep calm. Let me cook. He had the firefighter outfit on. He said, I wanted to remind the team, when we face the fire, we don't run away from it. He had the airline pilot gear on. He said, when we. We can take this team to new heights. I mean, there was a million of these, and they were so good.

[Tate Frazier]

So you don't want to be a laughing stocks room. You don't want to be a laughingstock. I remember when Huber Davis hit us with the unc.

[Van Lathan]

I was there.

[Tate Frazier]

Okay, just real quick. And we'll move on. Black coaches that are coaching in college. Okay, I get it. It's a culturally weird spot to be in sometimes with. Sometimes. Sometimes with the way things are reflected, y' all ain't gotta remind us that y' all wives are white. We know they white. Like, we can see the wives. And it's not a diss in any way, shape, or form. It's not a diss in any way, shape, or form. Hey, man, love is love. You. You know, you don't wanna get it.

[Joel Anderson]

Find love where you can find it, man.

[Tate Frazier]

It's hard. Hey, that's on you. But the only time that it feels like a stat is when you say, just to let you know, I got a white wife. Then it feels like you did it on purpose. And that makes us wonder. It's like, yeah, your wife is white. Cool, man. Hell yeah. You know, it's good for you. But then when you on a press conference and he goes, hey, how you feel about race relations? I feel like things are messed up. I also feel that my wife is white. I was like, hi, dog. Like, what the fuck? Like, is this sinners? Like, what? Like, what the. What's going. What are you doing? That's when it feels weird. Other than that, man, you know, you in the milk. Swim around in that shit. Do your thing.

[Joel Anderson]

Hey, bro, I mean, look, we know the reality of the situation, man. Y' all working in these little, small college towns. You know what I'm saying? Like, you itinerant.

[Van Lathan]

You're trying to placate the people.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I tell him, you got. Man, look, man, when you work a lot of places and you moving around like, I know, man. You just fall in love with who's around Sometimes you see them. You see them. Shaboom. Probably beautiful women, man.

[Tate Frazier]

They cool. You know, Like, y' all at the little. You go to the mixer, and they like, oh, shit. And you like, oh, shit. And she like, oh, shit. And you like, oh, shit. And then you tell your friends, hey, I don't know, but she knows the words of Lil Wayne. I'm gonna go ahead and make it a go. Like it's a go. She. You think. I thought she was out, but it's a go, nigga. Like, she knew the words to stun like my daddy. It's like, it's a go, and I'm cool with it. But when you get on the press conference and he goes, we go, aight, man. Come on. What you doing, bro? But your own Moore, forget about you. I'm fucking with you. I'm fucking with you. Stop with this, bro. Stop it. Okay?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. And whoever made that jacket, I feel for that guy. That was a tough ask. They go, make a blue collar jacket for a millionaire head coach for him to wear and say, we got a good.

[Joel Anderson]

You're a millionaire, bro. You ain't got it Ain't got to be like that, man. You don't see Don Staley out there like that.

[Tate Frazier]

You know, Hell nah. Nah. Example.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

Hell nah. Don ain't going out like that. Follow Don's example. Don doing it. She in South Carolina. Follow her example.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. She doesn't play shout out to Don Staley. She's the best. One last thing. I wanted to do this at the end of our Wednesday shows just to not be haters. Complimentary football. Replace the E with an I. Just to say a nice thing. Want to shout out Navy quarterback Blake Horvath. 51 yard touchdown at the end of this game to lead them past tempo and got the two point conversion. So wanted to give him a shout out. Navy undefeated right now. Haven't really talked about him on the show. So complimentary football.

[Joel Anderson]

Wanted to respect the truth.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Also it might be in the Heisman conversation, who knows? Last year he won the academic Heisman. So there you go.

[Tate Frazier]

There you go. Academic Heisman.

[Joel Anderson]

I've never, I mean, I guess they're talking about, they're gonna talk about me on the Reddit. You know what I'm. Well, I didn't know about the siren in Miami and the academia. Okay.

[Van Lathan]

By the way, they never pulled the clip where we were nice to Michael Irvin, by the way. So we, we said really nice things about Michael Irvin. Nobody.

[Tate Frazier]

Michael Irvin, by the way, we got off easy with Michael Irvin because they were talking shit about Michael Irvin. I think that was on Brandon Jacobs podcast and Michael Irvin went nuts on them and it was hysterical. I'm glad Michael Irvin didn't serve us. Maybe he did see it.

[Joel Anderson]

There are some folks out there that are paying attention, that are prominent, that have reached out to us that should go nameless.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

You know what I'm talking about. I got a DM from, you know what I'm saying, this past week, you know, so people are paying attention, you know.

[Van Lathan]

Right. Yeah. Joel didn't even answer him. I don't think you know what I mean?

[Joel Anderson]

I did, I did. I responded to him. I responded to him. Should I say I just go say it.

[Tate Frazier]

Nah, don't say it.

[Joel Anderson]

Don't do it yet.

[Tate Frazier]

We might still want to, we might still want to get them. Right?

[Van Lathan]

We'll save that also. Yeah, man, let's save my Dilfer story for later. You know what I mean? We got good.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's right, that's right, that's right. Can I, can I give a shout out then too for a couple of.

[Van Lathan]

Parting shot, then we'll get out of here.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. DeSean Jackson, man, Delaware State hit, won two games in the previous two years. They've already won four games this year. And DeSean Jackson's first year, man, it was a, it was a very weird hire. Like, it's just like he barely had been coaching, but obviously he's showing something there at Delaware State, man. So shout out to them. That's a, that's a hard place to win at too, bro. So. Yeah, good, good, Good job, desean.

[Tate Frazier]

Good job for desean Jackson pulling for him. Nice guy. Just pulling for him there. Pulling for all the coaches that are in those situations like that that are getting these first jobs and getting their feet wet after. I haven't played that long. That's good stuff.

[Van Lathan]

Any. Any last thoughts, man? Any parting shots before we get out of here?

[Tate Frazier]

Nah, man. Shout out to everybody. Shout out to is, you know, shout out to all the other shows doing it. I love y'. All. I love. I love Locked on Gators listening.

[Joel Anderson]

I think that's the biggest you got that, man.

[Tate Frazier]

Locked on Gators got this kid and he's. He. He does it from England and he got, like, long hair and he be in the room doing lots. Shout out to all of that. Shout out to everybody doing their thing. I love college football. I love being in the space. I. I love what we're doing as well. But, you know, shout out to everybody, man.

[Van Lathan]

Shout out to everybody. That's a nice message. Everybody love everybody. Also, shout out to Roddy White. He said he wanted the UAB job. Give him the job. If Dilfer job, Roddy White can get the job. So coaching well.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, let's get.

[Joel Anderson]

Man, you just never know, man. You never know.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, take a shot. We appreciate everybody hanging out with us. This has been Ringer Tailgate Wednesday edition. We will be back live at the normal time, 4 Pacific, 7 Eastern. All three of us locked in and watching all these games. So come hang out with us on YouTube. And again, appreciate everybody tuning in. This is Ringer Tailgate and we will see you on Saturday.

[Tate Frazier]

Foreign.

[Van Lathan]

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