Playoff Predictions, Heisman Reactions, and Rejected From the National Championship Game

Summary

Ringer Tailgate – December 18, 2025: “Playoff Predictions, Heisman Reactions, and Rejected From the National Championship Game”

Episode Overview

This week’s episode of Ringer Tailgate swings back into the chaos of college football as the Playoff begins. Hosts Van Lathan, Joel Anderson, and Tate Frazier break down their playoff brackets, throw out predictions, and riff on the changing landscape of college football. The crew delivers sharp-witted banter on Heisman voting, the emotional rollercoaster of being snubbed by the championship credential gods, program dramas at Ole Miss and Alabama, and whether 44-year-old Philip Rivers could win a college title. There’s soul-searching on why college football hates Cinderellas, impassioned debates about eternal student-athletes, and a final round of off-the-rails hypotheticals, making this your essential college football hangout.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Playoff Predictions & Bracketology

[Timestamps: 03:39–19:00]

• Van’s Pick: Georgia to win the national championship. He calls the bracket “so many pick-‘em games,” but believes Georgia has the clearest path given consistency and defense.
  • "I'm predicting a Georgia national championship." —Van [03:49]
• Joel’s Picks: Joel goes with Ohio State over Oregon, but throws in a first-round upset: Tulane over Ole Miss. His bracket is partly a chaos agent:
  • "Long story short, I picked Tulane to win that game. Cause I want to shake some shit up. But I also think it's a possibility." —Joel [08:54]
• Tulane Name Bit: Prolonged, hilarious riff on Joel’s lifelong mispronunciation (“T-lane” instead of “Two-lane”) [05:34–06:10, 17:34–17:56]
• Tate’s Pick: Also rides with Georgia, expecting a classic “master-vs-protégé” final against Oregon (Dan Lanning vs. Kirby Smart).
  • "I think this is a Georgia year. That defense is rounding into form. I'll do the SEC chant as well..." —Tate [15:45]

2. Program Drama: Ole Miss, LSU, and Rivalries

[Timestamps: 09:55–16:11]

• Deep dive on the instability at Ole Miss: coaching uncertainties, player transfers, Lane Kiffin’s departure and rumored interference, questions around star QB Trinidad Chambliss.
• The relationship between LSU and Ole Miss described as “seething white-hot hatred.” Van riffs:
  • "This relationship...is among the most toxic things that exist right now in college football. It’s literally now like a relationship with your first cousin which they would know all about at Ole Miss." —Van [14:00]
• Both sides are wary that losing to Tulane could send Ole Miss spiraling to “pre-Lane Kiffin” irrelevance.

3. Credential Controversy: Rejected From the National Championship

[Timestamps: 22:09–33:32]

• The Ringer Tailgate crew applied for media credentials for the National Championship in Miami—only Joel got approved.
• Lively debate: Should Joel go without the crew, or do they “stick together”?
  • "So if Joel is the only one that's credentialed, we'll make a bit out of it. But this says a lot…” —Van [24:04]
• Joel’s unbothered: “You all just show up. We could do something outside the stadium. Or do a show, go to Joe’s Stone Crab. Then I go to the game. Sucks. Does not.” [25:48]
• The rest of the team plot revenge by doing their own “real Miami trip” without Joel (or, as Joel jokes, they’ll just let him go with his other podcast buddy, Brian Curtis).

4. Heisman Reactions & Character Talk

[Timestamps: 34:32–43:47]

• Fernando Mendoza (Indiana) wins the Heisman. Group agrees: right choice in a year with no historic outlier stats.
  • "Consistent winning signal-caller of the best team in the regular season deserved the Heisman." —Van [35:02]
• Diego Pavia (Vanderbilt) is the “villain”: Loud-mouthed, aggrieved, and snubbed. Joel sees his attitude as essential for overachievers.
• Spirited debate: Is swagger and “delusion” necessary for a Vanderbilt-level breakout star, or should Pavia be more humble?
  • "People think there's some kind of personal issue we have with Diego Pavia. It's not that. I want Diego to want more for himself." —Van [38:38]

5. Cinderella Discourse: Why Does College Football Hate Upsets?

[Timestamps: 43:47–54:14]

• Prompted by Joel Klatt’s viral rant against NCAA basketball’s underdog stories.
• Joel: Most playoff blowouts aren't from ‘Cinderellas,’ but blue bloods thumping each other. College football’s nature: “dominance, not diversity.”
  • "The reality is, even the trepidation and hesitancy with Indiana, over two years Indiana had to prove that they weren't a Cinderella, that they were a team week in and week out." —Van [48:34]
• Tate: Don’t hate on upsets/Cinderellas! That’s how you get Boise State 2007.
• They agree: College hoops’ Cinderellas become programs. CFB structure just makes it rarer.

6. Round 1 Game Previews & Storylines

[Timestamps: 56:48–70:24]

• Most anticipated games:
  • Miami vs. Texas A&M: High-skill, immense stakes, chance to prove legitimacy.
    • "If Miami wins, the U will be back." —Joel [65:14]
    • Van adds, “the entire Notre Dame fan base is gonna go apeshit if Miami loses this game.” [57:21]
  • Tulane vs. Ole Miss: Joel’s upset pick, emphasizing chaos swirling at Ole Miss. He stresses the emotional volatility—win and fans see the “new regime,” lose and it’s “why did we let Lane leave?” [68:26]
  • Alabama vs. Oklahoma: Coaching rumors swirl; Van insists if Alabama loses, DeBoer jumps to Michigan.
    • "That's a big game in Alabama history because if they lose that game, Kalen DeBoer is going to Michigan, straight like that." —Van [57:21]
• Key storyline guesses:
  • “Deboer Watch” at Alabama [66:53]
  • "New Ole Miss" identity [68:26]
  • “Is this the end or the start of something?” —Van [69:35]

7. Big Van on Campus: On the Eternal Student-Athlete

[Timestamps: 72:39–83:49]

• Van appeals to LSU/SEC transfer QB TJ Finley, who’s seeking a 7th year of eligibility.
  • "This has to stop...you're delaying the inevitable, which is starting your life... You have to move on. You have to get out of college." —Van [73:46]
• Joel: Pushes back, arguing the journey itself is worth it—being a “college journeyman” has value and adds “character and whimsy.” [80:55]
• “Live your life, man! ...If you can, try to make yourself a pro college quarterback.” —Joel [80:55]
• Ends with a serious but funny exploration of college as refuge versus the need for growth.

8. Hypothetical: Could 44-Year-Old Philip Rivers Win the CFP?

[Timestamps: 84:23–94:44]

• Billy Gill poses: How would grizzled veteran Philip Rivers fare if he quarterbacked a college team today?
  • Van: “He’s a Heisman candidate.”
  • Tate/Joel: Would take him over any current QB except maybe Carson Beck for an immediate win. Joel notes Rivers’ lack of mobility could hinder him in certain offenses.
• The crew riffs about Rivers’ trash talk, bulked-up physique (“285, maybe three bills”), and what kind of offense suits him best.

9. Personal Moment: Tate’s Proposal

[Timestamps: 95:10–96:25]

• The episode closes on a personal note: Tate shares that he got engaged in Santa Barbara. The guys celebrate his big news.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Georgia pick:
  "When you look at the bracket, it’s weird to call. There are so many pick’em games... But I think Georgia, Georgia has a path to the national championship."
  —Van Lathan [03:53]

• On the state of Ole Miss:
  "This is...one of the most toxic things that exist right now in college football. ... It’s like a relationship with your first cousin, which they would know all about at Ole Miss."
  —Van Lathan [14:00]

• On Cinderella teams and college football:
  "Upsets are different than Cinderellas. We love the fact that it’s unpredictable...But at the end of the day, we want to see Giants vs. Giants, Titans vs. Titans."
  —Van Lathan [48:34]

• On credentials rejection:
  "So if Joe is the only one that's credentialed, we'll make a bit out of it. But this says a lot."
  —Van [24:04]

• Heisman hot takes:
  "Everybody out there in tailgate land thinks there's some kind of personal issue that I have or that we have with Diego Pavia. It's not that. It's just that I want Diego Pavia to want more for himself..."
  —Van [38:38]

• On being a ‘college journeyman’:
  "You should not be a journeyman in college. College is a part of your journey."
  —Van [75:24]
  "Because you say college journeyman, I got excited. Damn, that's pretty cool, man!"
  —Joel [80:55]

• On Philip Rivers in the CFP:
  "I think he's a Heisman Trophy quarterback. ... I think he's probably a Heisman Trophy candidate."
  —Van [85:45]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:39 Playoff predictions and bracket breakdown
• 09:55 Ole Miss program drama & rivalry with LSU
• 15:45 Tate & Van double down on Georgia
• 22:09 Credential drama and Miami trip plans
• 34:32 Fernando Mendoza wins Heisman; Diego Pavia reactions
• 43:47 “College football hates Cinderella”: Debate and context
• 56:48 Round 1 game previews (Miami/A&M, Oklahoma/Alabama, Tulane/Ole Miss)
• 66:53 "Deboer Watch" with Alabama’s playoff fate
• 72:39 Big Van on Campus: TJ Finley’s quest for endless eligibility
• 84:23 Billy Gill’s Philip Rivers hypothetical
• 95:10 Tate’s engagement announcement

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Final Thoughts

“Ringer Tailgate” remains a master class in mixing deep college football analysis with big laughs, personal stakes, and unfiltered energy. Whether you’re prepping for CFP Round 1 or debating the very soul of the sport, this episode delivers sharp predictions, plenty of wild banter, and a few moments worthy of the highlight reel—Cinderellas, credential snubs, debate over football’s greatest villains, and a hypothetical where Philip Rivers reigns supreme, all included.

Next up: The crew will be live Saturday night reacting to CFP results and whatever chaos unfolds.

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Hosts: Van Lathan, Joel Anderson, Tate Frazier
Additional voices: Billy Gill

Ringer Tailgate: “smarter than your average fan forum, way more fun than a coach’s press conference.”

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

I am so happy to be back. College football moves on. So much has happened since the last time we've been on. Let's get the to it, man.

[A]

We got to get to a whole lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's do it.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

It's everywhere. Everyone's raising the roof. And we got Joel Anderson, the man who created raising the roof. Joe, how's it going, man?

[C]

Man, I'm so glad to see y', all, man. You know, it was just weird to have a Saturday and be like, oh, I guess I'm just gonna. I mean, we're admitting out loud none of US watch Army vs Navy then, right?

[B]

I watched a little bit.

[A]

A lot of people did.

[B]

Yeah, I loved it.

[A]

I tapped in.

[B]

Yeah, like the servicemen that are out there playing, they're playing on this football field. They're also, you know, out there serving their country. You have to support them. So I watched a little bit of the game. I absolutely did okay.

[A]

Yeah, we saw one of the strangest coin tosses we've ever seen from anybody at the beginning of that game. Yeah, it was like a pancake toss.

[C]

Yeah, it had a. It just had a little bit more flair than I would have expected.

[B]

And that would not be the most disgusting and disappointing thing. But we're not that the president would do it that weekend. But we're not going to talk about the rest of it because we got to talk about college football.

[A]

Ringer Tailgate is presented by fanduel. Fanduel's got it all. Same game, parlays quick bets for jumping in live and your way so you can build the bet that fits your play. Plus, you don't want to miss out on holiday offers and surprises all month long. Download the FanDuel app and head to FanDuel.com tailgate to get started. Must be 21 or older and present in select states or 18 and older and present in D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800- gambler or visit rg-help.com call 1-887-897777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut. Yeah, let's talk about college football. Let's do our one big predictions. FanDuel. Our friends at FanDuel, they've asked us to put together brackets. You can go there and find our brackets. We're going to be tweeting them out. We're making predictions. We kind of live in the reaction business. Of course, we've been doing our live reactions on Saturday, but this is fun. We're going to do some predictions. We got some brackets that we have all filled out. We all have sort of our own path to the national championship game. Just to get people up to speed. Last year, the teams, the four teams that had buys, all lost last year. So we saw a lot of chaos in college football. The eight seed Ohio State obviously ending, ended up winning the national championship. So the number one seed went down in their first game. We remember that, the Oregon Ducks. So there's a lot to get to. Van, do you want to talk about your bracket, give a little breakdown of how you got to a champion and also maybe a prediction for what we expect to see this year in the cfp.

[B]

I. You guys hear that? Deep breathe into the mic. Just that's for the people right there. They haven't heard it in a while. I'm predicting a Georgia national championship.

[A]

Sec.

[C]

Y', all. You don't feel, you don't feel, you don't feel, you don't feel weird hyping up a team that's supposed to be your rival?

[B]

I'm not hyping them up. I'm saying that they're gonna win the national championship. I can give a fuck less if they did. I think Georgia's gonna win the national championship. I looked at the bracket. I did the bracket. When you look at the bracket, it's weird to call. There are so many pick them games of all of these games. There's so many games that you know either team could win. Like what's you look at round one, Alabama, Oklahoma, Miami, Texas A and M, Tulane, Ole Miss, JMU, OR. All of these games, besides the. A group of five games like those games are. These are pick ems. Alabama and Oklahoma. These are pick'. Ems. These big games are pick'.

[C]

Em.

[B]

The pick, pick, pick, pick. So for me, when I looked at all of these games and I looked at the way the brags were going to shake out, I think that Georgia, Georgia has a path to the national championship, to duh, national championship. I think they can win it.

[A]

I like that bold prediction there. The number three seed, Georgia, like we said, all the teams with buys lost last year also in the first round. All the home teams dominated. So there were really no close games in the first round. We're hoping that those trends do not set in again, but again, we have to learn something from the trends. Joel, is there anything that you predict or expect based on your bracket that you put together?

[C]

Well, so I think I picked you.

[A]

Think?

[C]

What do you mean?

[A]

You think? You don't remember?

[C]

Yeah, I can't remember if it was Ohio State or Georgia. I'm pretty sure it was Ohio State.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

But the reason. The reason I'm saying that is because I did something a little wonky in the first round, which is pick Tulane 1. I don't think there's going to be a lot of people that are going to pick Tlane. So that's just one thing, you know.

[B]

Name of the school, my friend, my.

[A]

Brother, T E.

[C]

Is it two lane, two lane?

[A]

Not one lane, two lane, two lane.

[B]

It's not two lane, two lane. I know Tulane. She works at array. I said this before. Tulane is the name of the school.

[C]

I mean, it's just funny. Are you sure? I mean, this is. I've been saying it this way literally my whole life. Nobody has ever said anything about it. I know somebody who went to Tulane. Tulane. Shout out Katie. You know, should we get Katie on the show?

[A]

And maybe she just. She comes in, she says the name of it.

[B]

Throw you off the track, though.

[A]

You are saying, yeah, back to your bracket. Joel, you don't remember. Apparently, I have it pulled up here. You have Ohio State over Oregon in the championship.

[C]

There you go. There you go. I thought so. So the thing that I want to say is I think that I don't think Tlane is a better football team than Ole Miss. And I know that because I've seen them play already when Ole Miss destroyed Tulane. Right. But there are a few things from that game that just made me reconsider Trinidad Chambliss. It was his second start of the season. Pretty much an unknown quantity at that time. It's not like anybody had a lot of tape on him at that point, right? So they were figuring it out. He ran wild that game. He even outran Kawan Lacey, who's their top. So that you can just see that's the. That's the mark of a team that is totally unaware of what Trinidad Chambers Chambliss is. Is capable of. Also, y' all shameless crazy to me. I mean, y'. All. Y.

[B]

Can you. Can you see?

[C]

You all are ruining my confidence.

[A]

I'm so glad to be back. I missed this.

[C]

I mean, what's wrong with Chambliss is that. Am I not. Am I getting that wrong?

[A]

You went Chambliss, but now you're back chamber. Sorry. You're back on track. You're back on track.

[C]

God. All right. Anyway, anyway, so. Oh, now I gotta say. Retz. Lov. Red Slab. Red Sloth. It's Red Sloth.

[A]

Jake. Just say Jake.

[C]

Jake's quarterback. Jake. Red Sloth. He came to the program late when he left byu. You can look up why he left byu. It's not a heartwarming story, but anyway, you can imagine he was still learning on the job at that point. It's not the only reason he played poorly in that game, but it could be a reason. And then, of course, the big thing is that the coaching staff's in transition, right? And, like, there's this back and forth between Charlie Weiss Jr. And there's all this other stuff that is going on. And then Tulane has had to sit there this whole time. You know, they're losing their coach, too, and people are talking about, oh, y' all don't even belong in here. We don't even want to see. You guys are taking up spots for Notre Dame and Texas. There's no reason you should be here. We've seen this game. We don't ever want to see you play again. Look, ole misses guys know this is their last ride, you know, and that can inspire you, or it can make you want to get started on the next season or move on to the NFL. I think it's real easy to envision a scenario, at least in my head, where Ole Miss comes out a little shaky, things get tight. The cone crowd, they all amped up, man. They got all their best Confederate gear on. You know what I'm saying? All the rebel flags, they hype and they.

[B]

They.

[C]

You. They come in, and then all of a sudden in the second quarter, it's like, you know, 10 to 7. And they get a little uneasy and they're like, why doesn't it look as good as it did? I could. So anyway, long story short, I picked Tulane to win that game. Cause I want to shake some shit up. But I also think it's a po.

[A]

It's.

[C]

It's a possibility.

[A]

It's a nice possibility. It would be a shocking possibility because again, the home teams dominated last year. And if Tulane did that, that would be striking to say the least. But we did have some weird stories coming out of Oxford. I did want to get some feedback on this. We had Pete Golding, the new head coach, who went into his press conference talking about how there used to be this kind of you carrot that was dangling for all these guys that played college football getting to the NFL, getting paid. He also then made a remark that he had players that are on his team that live in his country club neighborhood and was kind of talking about the changing landscape of college football. Trinidad, Chambliss or Chamber, depending on how you want to pronounce it. He was asked about what his future would be. He said that he had to look at all of his options. Basically was very non committal to the fact that he's going to be the quarterback or be at Ole Miss. He also has to put in a waiver to play for next season, apparently as well. So there's a lot of things on his future that's on the table. Van, do you think these are things that are worth being concerned over if you're an Ole Miss fan? Because that seems like a lot of conversation about the future and not a lot of conversation about the present.

[B]

Well, yeah, I mean, I think Golding and the rest of his staff have a really hard job on their hands, and that's to make the players focus on the game at hand and the fact that they are doing something that is historic in their program, which is, you know, going on a playoff run. If you want to talk about the state of college football, the future of the quarterback who lives next to the coach, all of those things don't have anything to do with what's going to happen when they line it up right now. Maybe they feel like they are so, you know, superior to Tulane, that they can't possibly lose to them. They're just going to overmatch them athletically. They can come out there and execute. They have their offensive staff coming back. Thank you. Lsu, they have a lot of other consistency that, you know, still remains from the season, and maybe that's going to get them to the promised land. But I would warn them that the only way for things to get worse in Oxford right now is for them to go out and lose this game. If they win, cool. They've won a playoff game. They've accomplished something. It's a big deal. It's a game that they're supposed to win. But if they lose, if they lose this game, if Ole Miss does not execute, if Tulane has the game of the century and Ole Miss loses, then that reiterates the thought that every single thing that was good about Ole Miss football walked out the door when Lane Kiffin left and went to lsu. So I don't know how much a press conference by the quarterback, the coach being at the podium, I don't know how that reflects, if at all, on how the team is preparing and getting ready and focusing on the game. Probably not much. Maybe it's much ado about nothing. But if they do lose, then that sets their program back to the point that it was, in my opinion, before Lane Kiffin got there, man.

[A]

And there's also the other wrinkle that Lane Kiffin apparently was back in Oxford and was doing hot yoga. Is there any world in which, Joel, that maybe Lane Kiffin is trying to help out his team one last time? Is he in the building? Is he talking to guys on staff? I mean, there's some people reading between the lines that maybe he's trying to help out Ole Miss in this game?

[C]

I don't think so. I felt like old man Lane kind of likes it in Oxford. He probably had some loose ends he needed to tie up, you know, and also, when you move, when you move, sometimes, you know, that's not that far of a trip. You probably like, just going to go right back down to Oxford and pick some things up from the house.

[A]

He hasn't found a new hot yoga studio.

[C]

Apparently, I'm gonna get in some hot yoga while I'm back in town for a little bit. So, no, I don't. I don't. I can't imagine. Because it seems like he's frustrated and mad at Ole Miss for doing this to him. So I, you know, seeing. Seeing how he sort of operates, I can't imagine he would want to help them under these circumstances.

[B]

Yeah. What's in it for him? Yeah, like, why would he go back and do that? Like, what's in it for him?

[C]

I would be like, hey, Trinidad, do you want to play at LSU next year? Well, come on, but you gotta leave now. Know I'd be doing. I would be doing like that if I was.

[B]

Damn you going back to the.

[A]

Well, maybe, maybe that's what's happening. I don't know. I mean it is a little bit strange also. I feel like nobody likes to be hated.

[B]

You know, the transfers, there's some situations. LSU lost Carious Kern was a five star from last year. Guy that hadn't quite rounded into the player that you wanted or expected him to be. But it was right there. I think Colin Hurley is also transferring there. A couple of defections that are happening. Maybe they're clearing space for new guys that are going to come in. Maybe there's some knowledge that there's guys coming in or maybe there's some attrition that's happening which happens every time there's a coaching change. But it's not the easiest time right now. Along with Frank Wilson, noted recruiter of South Louisiana. Maybe not coaching the running backs on a bleeding edge level right now. He's going to Ole Miss. This relationship between LSU and Ole Miss is among the most toxic things that exist right now in college football. This is bad. We already didn't like them, but now we have a seething white hot hatred for them on both sides of it. I think.

[C]

Well, I think it's now the rivalry that I think a lot of people outside of that region always thought it was where it was like Ole Miss was like they were your next door neighbor, you wanna beat em, but you didn't really care about them in the way that you would care about Bama.

[B]

Busting they fuckin ass every year. So it never really became a thing. They start to get a little chippy and chirpy. Since they've been winning lately, we've been splitting games with them and they've been doing their thing. But now that we have the Lane Kiffin situation and this incestuous relationship that's existing between the coaching staffs and a lot of the personnel. RGM went to Ole Miss, right? RGM went to Ole Miss. Our runnings backs coach and one of our best recruiters. One of the best recruiters in the history of the school. The guy recruited Lena Fernet, he went to Ole Miss. And so their staff is coming over. It's just. It's really, really weird. It's like it's literally now like a relationship with your first cousin which would. They would know all about at Ole Miss.

[A]

Shots have been fired. There's. There is definitely an incestuous relationship going on there.

[C]

I'm sorry. You know, they really, they really just hate us so much on first look, because if they did, they'd be arguing in our Instagram comments like Oregon fans are doing and Miami fans. They don't. They come there to insult us. I think if Ole Miss even had enough to give us a chance to listen to as a podcast, they would want to come and hate on us in our comments. But they don't even know that we exist.

[A]

They'll be there eventually. Diego Pavia comments are going crazy right now after the Heisman ceremony. That's a little teaser. We'll talk about that a little bit later. I got a bracket that I also put together. I have. I'm with Van. I think this is a Georgia year. I just think that defense is really, you know, kind of rounding into form. I'll do the SEC chant as well. Sec.

[C]

Come on.

[B]

Sec.

[C]

That's embarrassing.

[A]

I. I am. I'm. I'm right there with you. And I think it's going to be a Dan Lanning versus Kirby Smart game. It's going to be the master versus the protege type moment where Dan Lanning is looking at Kirby Smart. You know, come on. Like in the.

[B]

Talking to me and.

[A]

Joel, we're talking karate, you know, Grasshopper.

[C]

What was the last time we talked about the essence?

[B]

So what if. So let me ask you a question. If it was. If it was Kirby Smart versus Marcus.

[A]

Freeman, I probably wouldn't use that terminology. Yeah, that would be tough. I wouldn't use that. But, you know, with Dan Lanning, worked for him. You know, a little bit of an incestuous relationship there between those two.

[C]

Learn from Kirby Smart.

[A]

Yeah. And they're gonna be going head to head in the national title game. I think Oregon gets a little bit of get back this year. They get to the title game, get on the verge of knocking it over, and Georgia's defense knocks them back, and they end up winning that game. So I'll take the Bulldog, the Bulldogs, to end up winning the national championship. So I'm there with Georgia as well. Let's bring in Billy Gill, who also put together a bracket.

[C]

And you know, my question. My question. By the way, Tate and my.

[A]

Joel's stepping on you, Billy. He doesn't want you to hear.

[C]

Billy will get here later.

[B]

It's time for talking.

[C]

Are the Bulldogs finally returning to form? That was a good question.

[D]

Is that one of your 12?

[A]

Is that one of the 12 big questions?

[D]

No one knows it's listing, but Joel had everybody waiting because he had to answer his 12 big questions. We only got to six so far.

[C]

I needed to stop in Prep. You know, I needed to stop and prep for the show, and so I had to turn away from that. So later tonight, I will finish the other six teams.

[D]

What is that?

[C]

What were you going to say?

[D]

No, it doesn't matter.

[A]

What is that? Joel, you should do phonetic spelling in your 12 big questions. You know what I mean? Like how you would say the names. That would be fun.

[C]

I just. I. Nobody has ever corrected me on Tulane before. Tulane before. It's just I've been able to say this my whole life. I played against Tulane in college, and I was probably calling it Tulane that week, and nobody said anything.

[A]

Did you guys win or lose that game?

[C]

Lost. Badly.

[A]

Well, that's probably because you kept calling them to Lane, and then they were like, you know, I'm about to bust.

[C]

I feel like. I feel like.

[B]

But you know what?

[C]

It was in the build up to.

[B]

That team, I was about to say no. That was because when you played there, that would have been in the 90s. So it wasn't.

[C]

Yeah, it was in the build up to that 12 0. Sean King, Team King of New York. Yeah. So, yeah, Billy. Well, you are here for a reason. Is it because you're gonna talk this first time you come on camera without a hat?

[A]

Well, he put a bracket together, Joel. He made a prediction. We got to hear his prediction for the cfp.

[C]

Don't tell us what is it.

[D]

Doesn't matter. I have Texas A and N women. If you know, I'm going to be honest with you as to why I have them winning, it's because I saw all your brackets first, and I was like, we can't all pick Georgia. We can't all pick Ohio State. So I'm just going to kind of see where we win, make sure everybody feels somewhat represented on this show. You know what I mean? So I have Oregon. I have Oklahoma of Ole Miss. I have Texas A and M winning the first round because you guys all had Miami winning, which is like, I have my own issues with Miami that we don't need to get to. But so then I thought, you know what? I like Elko. Nice guy. He came on podcast a couple years ago, seemed like a good guy, and. And then things just kind of shook out in Texas A and M is winning this whole thing.

[C]

Did you see that? He, like, he's like a legit hip hop. I think he's either trying to convince people that he's wild into hip hop, or he is a legit hip hop fan. He was tweeting out his, like, playlist and I mean, let's just say that it had.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Mike Elko, what's on the playlist? Well, okay. You really want me to look this shit up?

[D]

Yes.

[A]

I mean, now, we got a big question for you, Joel. We need an answer.

[C]

Big question. Okay, let's see. This is the Sam and Dave, the Duke.

[B]

You're picking against Miami.

[D]

Yeah. Yes.

[C]

He doesn't care about. He doesn't care about Miami.

[B]

Some people might say that the reason why you're picking against Miami is you're mad at the city for electing its first Democratic governor.

[C]

Oh.

[D]

I don't think anyone is saying that.

[B]

No. Some people will say, like, just read.

[A]

Between the lines there.

[B]

Miami, the entire city, because they elected their first Democratic mayor in a long time. And so. Fuck you guys. I hope you lose the.

[D]

Actually, the university is in the City of Coral Gables, so it's not even really.

[A]

Not even Miami.

[B]

It's not even the same thing. So you're saying things are still good.

[C]

So was Manny Diaz's daddy a Republican then?

[D]

I think he was.

[A]

Gotta be some kind of.

[B]

He was. Some kind of. Manny Diaz's dad is, like, a politician, right?

[C]

What did he do?

[A]

He was.

[D]

He was a mayor also.

[B]

He was. Oh, yeah. He was the mayor. Yeah. So he was.

[C]

But I think.

[D]

Here's the thing. Miami's confusing because they have, like, two mayors. At least they have, like, Dade county, and then they have, like, city of Miami. So you have two people simultaneously running around claiming to be the mayor of Miami, who, like, are often racing each other to the podium to see who can kind of, like, speak first at a disaster.

[B]

You know, kind of something similar in Louisiana, because in Baton Rouge, we have the East Baton Rouge Parish president, but then you also have the mayor of Baton Rouge. So we had Tomit McHugh one time, who was the mayor. President. He was the mayor of Baton Rouge, and then he was the president of East Baton Rouge Parish. So he was the county leader and the mayor as well. So I guess it could not be this. I guess maybe the same thing in Miami.

[C]

The thing that.

[A]

You know what they say about mayors. If you have two, you have none. You know, it's just like quarterbacks.

[D]

So it's Miami Dade County's like, the county. So, like, the person will say, I'm the mayor of Miami Dade county, which they are. But then there's also the mayor of the city of Miami, which is more like the downtown, like, Brickle Air.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

So it's. Yeah. And then you have, like, all the little cities, like, there's like a mayor of Doral or, like, a mayor of, like, Sweetwater. There's a thousand mayors running around.

[B]

So what you're saying is it doesn't mean anything. So it's not that big. You're. You're saying nothing will change.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

I didn't know there was an election, to be honest with you. I. I woke up, I was like, hey, cool.

[B]

Was I supposed to vote yesterday?

[C]

Billy, are you going to show us all around when we all go to the cfp?

[B]

Oh, shit. We got to talk about this drama.

[D]

That was a very targeted question.

[C]

I thought you down there. You down there, y'.

[A]

All.

[B]

Let me tell y' all something real quick. So, obviously, this first year of ring of tailgate, we are trying to establish ourselves as a relevant and important college football podcast right now. And so we want to go to the national championship game, which is in Miami. Miami area. South Florida, with Hollywood. Hollywood. Miami Gardens. The Hollywood.

[D]

Yeah. They have a mayor, too.

[B]

Yeah. So we want to go there. So we're all needing credentials because we want to be credentialed. We don't want to just go down there and be the slap dick. Slapping around work, hanging out. Hanging out outside Dave and Busters, hoping Jeremiah Love walks outside. Jeremiah, let's talk to you. We want. We want to be credentialed media. So we asked the Duke, or actually, I don't know if anybody actually asked the Duke. The Duke took it upon himself to apply for credentials for the three hosts of ringer tailgate and I guess himself as well. We shot 25% from the field and getting our credentials. One person got credentialed, and it was Joel. I got slammed, Tate got slammed, Duke got slammed. All of us got slammed. So I don't know what the fuck is gonna happen. I have no clue how this is going to work. We do not have any credentials to go down there. What has to happen right now for us to be able to cover the game and the culture down there in Miami? I don't know, Duke, you gotta come through for us, brother.

[D]

Well, so we have a number of options, and I think the first thing that we need to establish is this, like, an all for one, one for all situation. Like, are we a team and we're gonna all do the same thing, Joel. And we're looking at you on this situation. Okay.

[C]

No. Well, I mean, Curtis might go. Brought my other co host, Brian Curtis. He's probably. I'm sure he got his credential approved. And we covered the championship game together last year, and Podcasted from down there. So, I mean, if you guys don't make it, I have, you know, I'll just do it. My boy Curtis.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

So let me tell y' all something real quick.

[C]

Oh, you got Matt. You got. You had a little. You had too much urgency in your voice.

[B]

No. Let me tell y' all something real quick. So, okay, so if Joe is the only one that's credentialed, we'll make a bit out of it. But this says a lot.

[A]

We.

[B]

I remember we were all at a party, going to a party. Michael Clayton.

[C]

Oh, Tampa Bay Bucks.

[B]

Yeah. LSU had declared for, like, the NFL draft or whatever, and there was a party or something like that in Baton Rouge. We all go to a party, and we all standing up there. One of my homeboys, he's passed on now. He was staying outside, and he got mad, took money out of his pocket. He was like, yo, y' all gonna let us in this bitch or not? We got money, too. And then they looked at him and they said, well, you're never coming in. And then us with the. As a. As a crew, we had to be like, yo, are we going to go in if our homeboy GT cannot get in? You know what we did? We got in the car and we went across town. We went to a different party, because.

[C]

That'S what you do. Yeah.

[B]

Now, one of our homeboys came later because he was riding in a separate car. We hit him on a text. We like, what you doing? He was like, shit, I'm in this.

[A]

That's Joel.

[B]

That's Joe. We was like, what? He's like, we up the road. And he was like, yeah, man. I came in there. They was like, your boys was tripping. I made him leave. But you could come in. And he went in that bitch and was partying, talking about he was fucking with chicks and all kinds of shit. Joel, that's you. That's you. That's what you doing to us, bro.

[C]

I mean, hey, man, don't raise the room.

[B]

You can't raise the room.

[A]

You can't raise the room now.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? Bring the party, man. I told you people like having me around, dog. Look, all right, well, here's the thing.

[A]

If it's obviously best case scenario that it was Joel that got the credential, that's. That's all I want to say. I. When I got the email and we figured out, okay, you know what was great?

[C]

Listen, you all. Y' all just show up. We could do something outside the stadium. You Know or do a show, Go to Joe's Stone Crab, my favorite restaurant. I'll go together as a family, and then I go to the game. Sucks. It does not.

[B]

What. That's how I know you're not really with this. You know what? You know what we're gonna do? Me, the Duke and Tate, I'm gonna show them my Miami. Like, I'm like, me.

[C]

It's one meal. What am I. I don't want anything.

[B]

Else because I'm telling you straight up. I'm telling you straight up, the way I do Miami is the way Miami is supposed to be done. I got roots in Miami. I got people. People in Miami. And we going to do that. You and Brian Curtis go to Joe Stone Crab. And by the way, shout out to Joe Stone Crab. He's been around for a long time, but the last couple of times I went to that. That ain't hitting on no more, man.

[C]

You don't. You don't got. You done got us up with Joe Stone Crab. That is not. Those are not the words of the sentiments of Joel Anderson. When I show up.

[B]

Socks.

[C]

When I show up, I'm going to want them with that lobster, Mac and cheese, key lime pie.

[B]

You know what? You're not. You're not. How about this? You've made your choice. Well, no, I mean, and Curtis are together, and I'm. Me, the Duke and Tate together.

[C]

Why y' all gonna go if y' all ain't got credentials?

[B]

We. We going. We gonna be in that.

[A]

All right, well, that.

[D]

That was kind of what we were gonna talk about, is we had other plans, potentially, which was we could all be in LA together and we could just kind of watch the game and react. Because one of, like, the logistical problems is how do we do a live reaction right after the game if we're there? Because we have to get somewhere. We have an airbnb studio. And then how much later are we going to do? So then we were thinking, let's just, all of us together, just watch the game and react. But it seems like Joel doesn't want to go with the boys. He wants to be in that motherfucker. So.

[C]

I want to.

[A]

Joel, is that true? You want to be in that mother.

[C]

I said I wanted the podcast with y'.

[B]

All.

[D]

Okay, so you'll fly to LA then?

[C]

I mean, if that's what's necessary, I'll do it. But what I am saying, though, is that I can podcast and still go to the game.

[B]

Like this is what I'm saying. I think we should all go to Miami. I do think we should. We should be there. But Joel, what you should do is after the game is over, you podcast with Curtis and then the three of us will tour.

[A]

He's kicking Joe off the ship.

[D]

Here's the thing that like. Van, I don't.

[C]

What do I got against Brian?

[D]

You don't know this Van.

[B]

I was just talking to him.

[D]

Here's the thing is, I'm the point of contact on this. And I also received an email saying that Joel had his credential approved. But in the email it also says, notify us if you're not going to be needing this credential or if you.

[C]

Want to kind of like turn it.

[D]

Back in or whatever. So it's a situation where it's kind of like if it's all for one or one for all and three of us didn't get in, but one of us did. I feel like it's only right to let them know, hey, we don't want to waste this credential.

[C]

That's fine.

[D]

It's gonna be doing like a podcast.

[C]

The tailgate won't need a credential, but the press box will have a credential.

[D]

Well, the press box hasn't put in a credential request for you as far as I know.

[C]

Okay, well, Brian didn't need to because I already had one in.

[B]

Okay, so. So listen, here's the deal. While we're going back and forth, Joe, you've made your decision. I'm not about to try to get on here and convince you. We will go to Miami. Okay? We'll go to Miami. We're all going to stay at the Duke's place.

[C]

I don't think Billy's decided on this.

[D]

There's a pull out couch right here.

[B]

We could share. Me and Tate are going to sleep on that couch head to foot. Right? Like we. Like we, we.

[C]

Yeah, already. You know what? Have a good time. There you go. That's fine.

[B]

That's fine.

[C]

I'm going to give you a nice hotel, by the way, when you.

[B]

When we send you. When I send you the videos and the stuff of what we're doing. Don't even try, Joe.

[C]

I mean, I'll be. And I'll be able to be like, you know what, baby, look at. Look, look. What? I didn't. Look what? I didn't go when I was out of town, you know. Oh, you know what kind of man I am.

[D]

So you call Brian Curtis baby?

[C]

Yeah, sometimes. He's getting me a gift. We're Gonna. We're gonna read it on air tomorrow. Hey, do you all want to know the Mike Elko what Playlist?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah, give us the. Give us the playlist.

[C]

Playlist. Okay. All the above by Mayo featuring T Pain.

[A]

That's not. That's not a deep cut.

[C]

That's.

[A]

That's questionable.

[C]

Dreams and Nightmares, Meek Meal.

[A]

Still questionable.

[C]

Yeah. Run this Town, Jay Z featuring I'm out.

[A]

I'm out.

[D]

I'm out.

[A]

Strike three. Strike three.

[C]

Okay, hold on. I got three more. I got three more. The three more. Put on Jeezy featuring Kanye West.

[A]

This is.

[B]

You, like, put on. All right, these are all. It's not the songs. It's the fact that all of these is the records that any average white dude from 2013 would have had on.

[C]

His this is Game Day playlist. Well, I mean, what you want him to be going? Somebody's not. Okay. Cinderella Man, Eminem.

[B]

Oh, no, they gonna lose.

[A]

Yeah, that was.

[D]

I changed my bracket, bro.

[A]

Yeah, okay, the last one.

[C]

I wish. I wish I could have y' all guess, but it would be too hard. Welcome to my hood. DJ Khaled featuring Rick Ross, Lil Wayne.

[B]

Joel. Do you have a problem, bro? Joe, seriously, all jokes aside.

[C]

Wait, what is it?

[B]

No.

[C]

All this, y'.

[B]

All. Yo, what is wrong with you? What is. I know that you've heard somebody. My head is about to explode. I know that you've heard somebody say his name before. I know that you've heard somebody say it's DJ Khaled. It's not.

[C]

I just forgot. I mean, sometimes there's a lot of different ways to say that name. Like Khalid Reeves.

[B]

You realize that they get on our ass about this. They think that we don't know what we're talking about because you say Tain CRO.

[C]

No.

[B]

Nobody.

[C]

Nobody's thinking about T. Nobody's. Nobody's thinking about T. Nobody. Nobody.

[B]

We have to. We have to break this out for the.

[D]

Kat's gonna be mad.

[B]

We know. What we're talking about is that there's something going on with Joel, and we don't know what it is.

[A]

I mean, and college football loves him. They want him at the championship game.

[C]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean, look, I work in words, okay? That's like my. That is my training. So I, like. I see words on a page, and sometimes I might read it phonetically as opposed to. But I'm adjusting.

[B]

I've never heard DJ Khaled's name.

[C]

And, yeah, by the way, can I.

[B]

Tell you something else? He Says DJ Khaled. Every song thing.

[A]

Every song, right?

[B]

Like, every song, he says it more.

[A]

Than the actual song itself.

[B]

I mean, but, you know, Khaled.

[C]

I'm not that much of a DJ Khaled listener. You know, I'm probably like. You know, people were like, oh, man. You know, Michael Jordan listens to Kenny Latimore. Like, I'm probably more.

[B]

Why you say Jordan?

[C]

Because.

[A]

Why not Jordan?

[B]

Why. Why not Jordan? Why not Joel? Say it right.

[C]

He's for D, man.

[D]

What's on your game day playlist, Joel?

[C]

Man, y' all really want to know?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Give us. Give us a little taste.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, you know, it's a lot of Westside Gun, you know, Griselda, you know, Benny the Butcher. I'm not gonna do. What kind of a digression is this? We've got to get back.

[D]

What happens if you cancel your credential?

[C]

Can you show up? It's time for you to go. We need to get back to football now, I guess.

[B]

Why? Why were you saying that, like.

[C]

Cause I was legit. Looking up my music list. I was legitly. I was like, why? Let me. Shit. Let me, like, what I have here in my Spotify, you know?

[D]

Spotify?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

My Spotify. Yeah. Boswell Unwrapped. I couldn't remember the name. Unwrapped.

[B]

Take. Get control of your show, Joe's. We're going off the rails.

[A]

Well, we'll figure out what we're gonna do for the national championship game. It sounds like Joel is departing and ditching us, or at least attempting to, but we're gonna figure out a way.

[C]

We're gonna do the show together. No doubt. Now, whether or not I'm in the stadium or not, that has nothing to do with that, so.

[A]

Well, it sounds like it's in the hands of Billy at this point, so we'll see what Billy decides, if he's gonna help you get into the stadium or not. That's a conversation for another time in the future. Is it at least welcome to My Hood remix on the Mike Elko playlist, or is it just the.

[C]

No, no, no, no.

[A]

Just the original, just.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. They're losing.

[A]

They're losing. They're losing that game.

[B]

Out of here some.

[C]

That's his game day playlist, presented by Turtle Box.

[A]

Oh, man. And it had a sponsor to it.

[D]

This is.

[A]

This is not good. I don't feel good about that. Let's get to our first fact, because there was big news over the weekend. We obviously had some football games. I Saw Herb street got canceled for and Joey Galloway for saying that they weren't watching the football games on Saturday. That was very funny to me. But there was a ceremony as well. First fact, Indiana has their first Heisman Trophy winner. Fernando Mendoza has won the 2025 Heisman Trophy. Van, was that the right call? Because you did argue that Heisman Doza should be the right answer.

[B]

It was the right call. In a year of no crazy, amazing statistical anomalies with guys going Joe Burrow or Jaden Daniels or anything like that, I think the consistent winning signal caller of the best team in the regular season deserved the Heisman Trophy. I think it was the right call to give it to me. Dozen.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I'm right there with you.

[C]

Yeah, I don't have any problem with that. I think this, I mean, his play is exemplary. His story is exemplary. He seems like a really likable guy and that I like people who aren't afraid of being earnest and kind of goofy actually, because I can immediately recognize that as an all boys Catholic school grad. So I was like, oh, yeah, you went to Catholic school. But yeah, so he just, he's, he seems like a, just a really good kid. So yeah, I don't have a problem with that. I still think that Diego Pavia was the most valuable player in college football this year. But, you know, I got no problem with that. And I again, I also like that Mendoza seems to like, want to, to be a nice person. Like, he just seems like he, he's really desirous of being liked. And I think that's kind of, that's, it's touching, it's, it's almost sweet.

[B]

So Diego Potato said just a second ago that the Heisman Trophy is now devalued because he didn't win it. The swaggiest, coolest, most deadly quarterback that's ever walked the face of the sec. He just went out there.

[C]

Damn.

[A]

Is that real?

[B]

Yeah. No, it's not. It could be. The problem is that it could be.

[C]

It'S not real at all.

[B]

He did not say that. But the problem is you could believe that he could say that. For you to still bring up the name of Diego Pavia after he embarrassed himself. Embarrassed himself. He embarrassed the Heisman ceremony after the Heisman Trophy fucking embarrassed him.

[C]

I'm just shocked that everyone.

[A]

As he was getting bottles in the club, you know, wearing a turtleneck and chain, a little tough. Joel.

[C]

I'm surprised that everyone's delicate sensibilities are offended here. Like he's a real motherfucker man. He's mad that he lost. I kind of like that he cares about always being. Hey, don't. No, don't talk to me like I'm 14 years old. Like, I know. I didn't say that being real. I didn't say it was that. You don't have to understand. You don't need to be real. You need to be like.

[B]

Everybody out there in tailgate land thinks that there's some kind of personal issue that I have or that we have with Diego Pavia. It's not that. It's just that I want Diego Pavi to want more for himself, to want better for himself. F all the voters, family for life. F the Heisman voters. Why is it F the Heisman voters? It's F the Heisman voters because they think that you didn't deserve the Heisman. What is the reason that it's F the Heisman voters? It's not like he had numbers that could not be denied on an undefeated team. I think the thing that most annoys people about players like Diego Pavia is they actually imagine their dominance. They imagine it. It would be one thing if Diego Pavia and Vanderbilt were legitimately dominant. Legitimately dominant and undeniable. Like a Jaden, like a Joe Burrow, like players like that in the past. Also non LSU Tigers, like a Devonta Smith, like players like that. Right? If they were really dominant that way. He's not. He's imagining and projecting this dominance that didn't exist. He had a great season and a season that was worthy of being invited to New York. But in no way, shape or form did any massive injustice happen to Diego Pavia.

[C]

If you. If you led Vanderbilt to its first 10 wins season in school history, you might feel like you had done something incredible because you did. You know what I mean? And so I can understand why Diego Pavia is looking at that and is a little salty. I remember when Vince Young lost to Reggie Bush and people were like, reggie Bush is one of the most dynamic playmakers in the history of the game. How can Vince Young sit up here and be sour about it? And it's like, because Vince Young thought he was that motherfucker, man. And that's why, you know, and sometimes that can spur you. That is. That is how Diego Pavia is. Diego Pavia, the dude is like my height, you know, five' eleven. He's. I mean, you see how he's built like this. This. He needs that kind of attitude and that motivation to drive himself along, to be crazy enough to play the game with his physical limitations as is, but then to also excel at it, you kind of gotta be that kind of dude where you've got that kind of piss and vinegar. And I just, again, I like that he can also. Don't y' all remember when there were villains in college football, y'?

[B]

All?

[C]

You remember Brian Bosworth?

[B]

I do remember Brian Bosworth.

[C]

Okay. People didn't like him. They didn't like Jerome Brown. When Jerome Brown showed up to the luncheon with Penn State and was like, did the. Did the Japanese sit down with the Americans before they bumped Pearl Harbor? And he called them all. So, I mean, there was all that kind of shit that used to exist in college football.

[B]

Would you like to compare the seasons of Diego Pavia to Vince Young?

[C]

If you're going to try to go. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. That's fine.

[B]

Okay. So, I mean, I'm just saying Vince Young is the first.

[C]

Vince Young is one of my favorite college football players of all time to.

[B]

Throw for 3,000 yards and run for 1,000 yards on a team that was the undefeated national champions.

[C]

Yeah, right.

[B]

So if you wanted to actually have an actual argument about whether or not he deserved the Heisman, you could. I don't think that he did, but if you wanted to have an actual argument about whether or not he deserved the Heisman, that's cool. We're talking about a 10 and 2 Vanderbilt team. You are factoring in the historic expectations of Vanderbilt into whether or not Diego Pavia deserves the Heisen Trophy. Who gives a fuck about that? Right? Who cares? Like, he. He had a great season for a team that achieved more than any other team in school history. That is absolutely true. But the quarterback of the undefeated number one team in the country won.

[A]

Who also played at Indiana.

[B]

Yeah, who also played at Indiana. Another thing. I'll say something else. Even if Diego Pavia was disappointed with the way it shook out F the voters, the Shia label, it is not.

[C]

The kind of behavior that I would encourage in people that I like.

[B]

It's the type of shit you like.

[A]

Guess who has votes, by the way? The. The former Heisman winners. So by saying F the voters, you're saying F all the heism.

[C]

I mean, you got like you. We are both. I think we all agree on the basics here. Fernando Mendoza is a very worthy Heisman candidate. And Diego Paul. Diego Pavia is an. My problem is that I'm just surprised that people, if you want people to display personality around our games, this like, we don't have a lot of opportunities to not have the world suck and feel like we're caving in. This dude is willing to be a little bit of a villain, show a little bit of a personality. Also, keep in mind, this is going to be the biggest moment in Diego Pavia's career, man. He probably, like, that is going to mean a lot more to him than it is to Fernando Mendoza, who's going to go on and be an NFL first round pick and probably have a lengthy NFL career. So I'm sure Diego Pavia, that part of it is built up in it, too. This stamps me as a college legend forever. Now we'll have to be like, you remember Diego Pavia instead of, you know, Diego Pavia who won the Heisman in 2025.

[B]

So Diego Pavia gonna be second mic on Theo Von Podcast. He gonna be just fine. Diego Pavia about to be going crazy. All right. You know what's up with this? He's media all over the place, man. You.

[A]

Yeah, he'll be like the producer with the microphone. That'd be great. He'll pop into the episodes, give a little take on football.

[C]

I don't know, like, does it when Manzil does it? You know what I'm saying? Like, does it when he does it, does it feel like that's what he wanted when he was coming out of college or that's what he had to end up doing?

[A]

No, I think he imagines he. He was a Johnny Manziel type, but it's. It's not that level. Johnny was a revelation when he was playing football.

[B]

Just a much better football player than. Than Pavi. Right?

[C]

Yeah, I. Yeah, I get. Yeah, I got. I. Yes.

[A]

But he's talking in the terms like he's on that level. Yeah, that's.

[C]

I think that's the issue again. I understand why Diego Pavia thinks that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You're saying he has to think that to be able to do what he's done on a football team, he's got to be crazy at some level.

[C]

Otherwise it doesn't make any sense for a guy from Albuquerque, N.M. mexico to have done what he did in the sec. Otherwise it doesn't make any sense. You gotta believe that you are that guy.

[A]

Yeah. He dressed like he thought he was gonna win. That's what I'll say. So I do have to respect that at some level. Let's talk about this one big question. This was a big talking point over the weekend. The question is simple. Why does college football, the powers that be, hate Cinderella so much? Here's what Joel Klatt said it got aggregated everywhere. He said, quote, we don't own Cinderellas. We want the best teams playing each other at the end of the. The NCAA basketball tournament is a joke. It's the dumbest tournament and the least fair tournament in all of sports. End quote. Joel, when you saw this, one, what are your, what is your reaction about why they hate Cinderella's? And two, your reaction to a Joel Cloud statement?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Well, so I, I agree with him that people don't want Cinderellas and I understand that my alma mater has a lot to do with this. Okay? So like anyone else who was looking forward to having a fun Monday night, you know, in 20, in 2023, and watch TCU take on Georgia, I was right where you were. I ordered the food, my pops was watching the game with me, and then it was all over in the first quarter. And that's what people get scared of. They don't. They don't. It A game like that confirms everybody's worst suspicions about the Cinderellas in college football. Right? But the problem with that is that people, I don't know if it's the Internet, screen time, whatever else, y' all have short fucking memories because so like you, it's not just the Cinderella's a group of five that be getting their ass beat in those early playoff games. Like in the history of this setup, only 7 of the 24 games have been competitive. And like the losers in those games have been like fsu, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Clemson, Washington, Notre Dame, ccu, Michigan, tcu. That's fine.

[A]

Tennessee last year, Tennessee last year.

[C]

So all those other schools out there getting their ass beat. It's very hard to find teams, or at least it used to be, better than the top three in college football. And like even right now we kind of think that the three best teams are Ohio State, Indiana and Georgia. Like we know it's some mix of that, but we have in a playoff. So I, I get, I get that people don't want to see Tulane play or Tulane play. They don't want to see James Madison play. But I'm sorry, you guys are just ahistorical because you're not thinking about all the other times the blue bloods get their ass beat in the first round of the playoffs too, by other blue bloods though. Yeah, well, okay. Oh, it's just like when people say, man, I'm, you know, I'm one of the hardest motherfuckers out of the Bronx. And it was like, well, you probably just got beat up in the Bronx. You weren't the toughest guy in the Bronx, you know, And I just feel like this is the same kind of thing. It was like, oh, okay, you were the SEC and you got your ass beat by Alabama too. Congratulations.

[B]

Okay, so this is what I think about what Joel is saying. College football is a sport of dominance. Even the Heisman Trophy. It's not a competition of excellence, it's a competition of dominance. You're supposed to put up video game type numbers. It's a sport where some of the guys have a future in the NFL and some of the guys don't. So what you expect to see on the field is clear cut athletic dominance. Now, while Cinderellas might not have a place in that upsets do. Upsets is when a team stubs its toe. The script is written in a different way. One team catches lightning in a bottle and, and beats a team that they shouldn't beat. The Cinderella stories that exist in college basketball, which is a completely different sport. Right. College basketball is like styles make fights. Sometimes those Cinderellas are teams that have been playing together for three or four years and they're up against teams that are one and dones or they're teams that have coaching dominance or a couple of players that play the tournament game in the right way. That is a part of the fabric of that sport. A Cinderella run has to be kind of extended. It has to last a couple of weeks. College football just doesn't lend itself to that. It doesn't lend itself to someone that's up against a team with a crazy blue chip ratio, a blue blood reputation and a deep, deep, deep, deep history. Losing over and over and over again to a team that doesn't have all of that. It's not the way the sport is oriented. It's not what we love about the sport. Upsets are different than Cinderellas. We love the fact that it's unpredictable. The guys are so young that you're going to come out there and lose one every now and again. But at the end of the day, we want to see Giants versus Giants, Titans versus Titans. And I wouldn't just say that that's true of college football. I say that's true of football in general. It's a different sport than basketball. It's a sport that involves a tremendous amount of teamwork and physicality. And because of that there's a different expectation. So the reality is this, even the trepidation and the hesitancy with Indiana, the reason why was because over the course of a year, or really two years, Indiana had to prove that they weren't a Cinderella, that they were a team that week in and week out could recreate the success on the field that we weren't used to them having. That's what we love about college football, and it's not going to change.

[A]

And it's okay to enjoy, like, the Cinderella moment, though. The thing to me that really upsets, I think, you know, the general public when they hear that is like, one of the best bowl games I ever watched in my life. And honestly, back to back years, I don't want to pick on Oklahoma, but the Fiesta bowl fiasco is for Oklahoma. I mean, the Statue of Liberty play with Boise State, like, I would say Boise State was a Cinderella in that game to win that game, and then West Virginia to do it, you know, the next year in the Fiesta bowl and dominate that game 48 to 28. Now, you know, you would call probably West Virginia more of an upset Van putting it into kind of your verbiage there. But, I mean, Boise State was definitely a Cinderella. They just didn't have to go play two more games or three more games after the fact and get beat down by a blue blood, and then we kind of forget about that game. So, like, the old system lent itself more to the conversation. Now when you have to go play a game the next week, it just makes it a little bit harder for those stories. So, I mean, I get the point. But to go throw shade at the college basketball tournament. Oh, gross.

[C]

Disgusting. I know. Take. I take it worked up about that. Yeah, but you know, real talk, man. Tate. Let's talk about it. You, Butler. When Butler was good in college basketball, that was the worst stretch of college basketball, bro. That was horrific basketball.

[A]

Like I 2010, 2011, it was really, really bad.

[C]

What was that team? Who was the guy on Duke that won that national championship? That luck?

[A]

Brian Zubek.

[C]

The Zubek. That was the guy, man. I was.

[A]

I know exactly who you're talking about. AKA Mr. Moving Screens.

[C]

Yeah, I was just like. It was just. It was just really bad basketball, you know? Did y' all see. What. Do y' all know where I was when that game.

[B]

Duke. Hey, y'. All can't. Hey, yeah, y' all can't trust Tate on no college basketball takes. Go run that back and look at how disgusted Tate was about to. Duke player. Tate, you can't be objective, bro. You. That just changed.

[C]

You really thought his unc Hate. You thought his unc. Nah, man.

[A]

There's only a lot I can be honest about. The 2010 Duke team is not a good team, but it's okay, you know, Not a good team.

[C]

They were not a good team. So that was a bad season.

[A]

It was really, really bad season. Yeah, they figured it out.

[B]

But those teams, but these things that you guys are bringing up, Butler, Gonzaga, those teams ended up not being Cinderella teams. Those teams ended up being teams that were in mid majors that established themselves as relevant national college basketball programs. What they weren't.

[A]

So did Boise State in football.

[B]

What they weren't able to do, even though Gonzaga did, after a while, they were able to get Chad Holgren and other guys to come to the school. What they weren't able to do was go out there and get the flashy one and done. Players like that, they have a different way of building their dominance. Right. You know how this goes. Like, you get a team, like I said, some veteran guards who understand what they're doing, and by the time you.

[A]

Get St. Peter's when they made their run to the Elite Eight.

[B]

Yeah, by the time you get to the tournament, what you really have in the tournament is grown men playing against younger kids is what you really have. And the experience and the stuff matters in situations like that.

[A]

And in basketball, I mean, you can flip a game. It's not a line of scrimmage game. You know what I mean? Anything can happen in a basketball game.

[C]

You know what I'm saying?

[B]

One guy can go crazy.

[A]

Two guys, umbc, what they did go.

[B]

Crazy for an entire tournament. Do you remember where Steph Curry and Davidson. Steph could not be stopped.

[A]

I was at that game.

[C]

Georgetown, Randolph. Children's run through the acc.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

Right here.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Joe, remember this? Boom, boom, boom.

[A]

Randolph Dog.

[B]

Randolph is a different sport. And it's okay.

[C]

I mean, I just, I, I, I, I would prefer it if we did not have two G, G5 teams in this, in the, in the tournament right now. Like, I think that is probably a little too much. But I mean, again, I. Sometimes you just want to see a little. Sometimes some people, some people want to see South Carolina lose 43 to nothing, and some people want to see Louisiana Tech lose 35 to 7. Right. And I, I don't understand, like, why y' all think there's such a big difference. Like all these teams be getting their ass beaten that first week and we're so just deal with it and we'll get to the competitive games later.

[A]

I'm just saying, don't take shots at the little guys. We all love an upset. We all love a Cinderella story. It's no need to, you know, kind of act a little uppity and feel like you're boxing people out. But again, this is not really coming from anybody other than conference commissioners who are trying to propagate the idea that there's a super conference that is on the way. Because we got a power five that turned into a power four, a power four that will eventually turn into a power three, a power three that will be a power two until we're in a power one that's power three right now. I mean, but I'm saying that that's.

[B]

What we're treating towards Power 2 right now.

[A]

I mean, right? Exactly.

[B]

The Big 12 ain't shit, but I'm.

[D]

Saying.

[A]

You'Re part of it.

[C]

Van's trying to poke at me, Dog. I see. Hey, he even tried to get me on this Big 12 shit for the last 24 hours. No, it's been a week.

[B]

See, Texas Tech got a lot to prove, bro. They do.

[C]

They do. They do. They do. I mean, again, nothing.

[A]

We disrespected him. None of us had Texas Tech in the title game. So there you go.

[C]

Nothing ever reflects poorly on the sec. They didn't go out there and get dog walked by anybody again. And it's just like. Well, that was just one game sample. Who knows, right?

[B]

I got it.

[A]

It's called propaganda. It works, Joel. They start the chant, and we drown out all the results. You know, it works every single time.

[C]

B12. Big 12. Big 12.

[A]

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[A]

All right, we're back. Ringer Tailgate CFP round one last year, like I said, not the best round one. We did not get many electrifying moments, but again we got some good matchups and it starts with Friday night. Number nine, Alabama at number eight, Oklahoma. Again last year the number eight seed won the national championship. So potentially one of these teams could end up winning the national championship. We'll see. We got number 10, Miami at number 7 Texas A&M, number 11 Tulane, number 6 Ole Miss and number 12 JMU at number 5, Oregon. Van, I go to you first, your favorite round one matchup. Which game are you most excited to watch?

[B]

Miami and A and Miami and A and M. Feels like the right answer. Oklahoma game is going to be very competitive, but it's not going to be pretty football. You're having one team that has no offense, another team that is struggling on offense and to run the ball. Alabama not playing, playing their best football. Oklahoma playing exactly the way they play, which is not always that aesthetically pleasing. I'll put it to you like this though. That's a big game in Alabama history because if they lose that game, Kalen Devore is going to Michigan, straight like that. If they lose that game, Caleb DeBoer is going to Michigan. I'm not so sure that he's not going to Michigan no matter what. It's a perfect situation for him. But if they lose that game, Kaylin DeBoer is out. Okay, so that's going to be interesting. But Miami versus Texas A and M is going to be a fun game. It's going to be a game that's going to be. Showcase a lot of offensive talent. A and M is probably champing at the bit to come back and prove that they are the elite team that they look like the entire season. Miami is actually trying to convince the entire college football world that they deserve to be in this playoff. The entire Notre Dame fan base is going to go fucking apeshit if Miami loses this game. This is a sneaky high leverage game for both teams. That's going to be played with, to me, a lot of offensive skill. We got our brothers that's going to be on the. With the Jam. Twitter spaces.

[C]

Oh, demand of your dreams.

[B]

Demand of your dreams.

[C]

Demanding your dreams.

[B]

All this stuff. You have the Texas A and M people who are ready to throw cotton. I don't know if you guys saw this, but if they make it to the Cotton Bowl. Oh, then they throw cotton.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

At Texas A and M.

[A]

It's a tough implication.

[B]

What.

[C]

Wait, hold on. Throw the cotton at the players.

[B]

They throw cotton and apparently it's traditional. It's nothing that has to do with what we're making it. We're doing something.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Not.

[C]

You're antagonizing our fans.

[B]

Yeah, but I don't know. It's just. I saw this graphic, and the graphic was sent to me. I'm not going to tell you guys who sent me the graphic. This was somebody.

[A]

You're saying it's like rice at a wedding, though, right? You're saying, like, they're.

[B]

They're throwing cotton is what they're doing. At Texas A and M, they throw cotton. Just. You know, I would just say to Texas A and M fans, I get it. I understand. Just be careful where the cotton lands or who you throw the cotton at.

[A]

It's also hard to throw cotton, right? I mean, it doesn't really. Yeah, tough to.

[B]

Tough to throw cotton. Even tougher from what I'm told, from people that I know, to actually grab the cotton, that's. That's. That's tough, too. It's tough to throw.

[A]

Yeah. You gotta make, like, a snowball and then try to throw it.

[B]

Yeah, well, sometimes the Cotton actually comes as a snowball when you're getting it, and that can be tough. And you can injure your fingers, and it's hot, long hours. And maybe the entire country is based around that economy. And there's one group of. So there's a lot of things about cotton that are hard.

[C]

Just, man, I mean, man, man, see you.

[B]

No politics. No politics.

[A]

You went deep.

[B]

No politics on the show.

[C]

I was like, man, they.

[B]

I.

[C]

You knew they were playing in a cotton ball.

[A]

I mean, football was created to emulate war at the end of the day, you know, so at some level, it is kind of political. Yeah, right.

[B]

What war is it meant to implicate? Like what? Imitates I say, like, what war? Is there any type of war where cotton might have been thrown at somebody?

[A]

You know, I don't know, seven years war. You got a lot of wars to choose from.

[B]

A lot of wars to choose from.

[C]

You know, a lot of wars we didn't even declare, you know, didn't even go through.

[A]

They found out in Europe three years later, they're like, oh, they're fighting over there.

[C]

Yeah, right.

[B]

All right.

[C]

That's right.

[A]

That's right. Joel, your favorite matchup on the board.

[C]

Well, I mean, so I've already sort of called my shot with the Tulane Ole Miss game, but I really do think it's going to be very.

[A]

Who's Ole Miss playing again?

[C]

Tulane.

[B]

They're playing too lame.

[C]

Too lame? Yeah, man. I don't want to think about that. I want to be able to say it the way I like to say it. It's unfortunate, but anyway, I just think that that Ole Miss has been in a lot of chaos. Right. And that's just not the way that you really want to go into the playoffs now again, it ain't like John Sumrall is going to be there after this playoff run like he's got his own job ahead of him. Florida. But I could see this being a galvanizing force for. For Tulane. And this. This is an improbable playoff run. You know, like, this is, you know, I mean, Tulane for most of my life was a doormat. They were not a great pro. I know you. I saw you laugh. I saw you laugh, Tate, because I.

[A]

Said, I'm not laughing.

[D]

I'm not laughing.

[C]

Yeah, I saw it. I saw it. But I'm. I'm. I'm a power through, though. It's okay. The point of that is that I just, you know, I think that. I think that there's a chance that something could they can build towards something special here. They can have a moment and that's a good way to send summer all off into Florida and Ole Miss again. I don't know. I mean, like the thing about the Trinidad Chambers thing that was just sort of disarming. That's a really easy question to answer without.

[A]

Right? That, that, that blew my mind when that was his answer.

[C]

Yeah. It's just like I'm. I'm focused on the game right now. I don't think about anything else.

[A]

Even if you're not just lie to us.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That's all you gotta say. You ain't got to do the. Well, you know, we all know that the end of the road comes for all of us at some point and yeah, like that was not a good answer. So it just makes me just kind of think what's swirling around that program. But also that you A and M game is just going to be fascinating. I'm like, I'm really kind of hyped to see the playoffs like at Kyle Field and it. Ole Miss.

[D]

Right.

[C]

Like just the scenes from those games and the pageantry of those of those games. That's going to be real fun to see on TV too.

[A]

Yeah, I'm excited for that game. I'm excited to see Ole Miss fans come out support Golding. That'll be interesting to see what that scene looks like. I'm going to take Alabama, Oklahoma, because I think Van hit the nail on the head talking about DeBoer. Cause I know that DeBoer is doubled down. He's like, I'm here. I want to be at Alabama. I saw Reese Davis was going around kind of doing the tour. He's an Alabama grad. Talking about he's going to be at Alabama. But again, if Michigan is a nice little exit strategy. We've seen him do it before. But I would still circle Jed Fish as one of the guys on the board if the Boar is going to stay at Alabama. So a fascinating game. And Venables needs to win that game too. Right. I mean, Oklahoma fans need to see a proof of concept team as well.

[C]

I, man, I just, I don't think Oklahoma, I mean, I. They do expect to be this good, but I don't know if they expect it to be in the playoff, if that makes any sense. Right. Because I mean, this is not an overly talented team. And the reason I know that is because that offense just looks horrible. Like we. I don't.

[A]

I mean, again, maybe Matier with some more rest though, you know, like maybe we get a Better version of Matier.

[C]

And remember it was early in the year, I was like, man, they run Matier like he's a running back. And I was like, you can't.

[A]

He is their running back.

[C]

Yeah, he is the best. He is their best running threat. That is not sustainable over the course of a year. Well, now you ain't got nothing else to save yourself for. Like they can, they can do more called runs, all that sort of stuff. So I, I think, oh, you is probably going to. It's probably going to get Alabama because I don't. I'm looking at that team and I know that a lot of guys were hurt and they held him out of the SEC championship, but I mean they look there, they look offensively as bad as Oklahoma does right now.

[A]

I will say Alabama kind of reminds me of Ohio State at this time last year. I just want to say that I feel like everybody's out on them.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Everyone's saying they're not going to do much. They don't believe in this team. And it's kind of a perfect setup for Alabama to have a chip on their shoulder. And Kaylin DeBoer has had success in the playoff. Obviously we saw it with Washington, so it's not like he's unfamiliar with the territory at all. Even though this would be his first run with Alabama. And also Oklahoma already beat him. So it's tough to beat a team twice. So these are just some things to throw out there. Let's guess the round one story lines because a lot's to happen in these games. Joel, your storyline that you think will unfold after these games wrap up.

[C]

Well, I don't know if you have heard this, but if Miami wins, the U will be back.

[A]

You know, Chris Sto, he's the king.

[C]

Then we can officially say the U is back. But you know, I think the thing is when was the. When was the U actually the U? Like when people think of like what made those teams really good, they always kind of focus on the Vinnie Testaverdes or the Michael IRVINS, the Willis McGahey's, but man, it's really when they're.

[A]

I'm a Butch Davis, you guy. That was my.

[C]

You like that scene? Yeah.

[A]

I mean, I know Larry Coker won the title and everything, but I mean that was a butcher.

[C]

Vernon Carrey. Yeah, yeah, no, that. I mean they have, they, they. The thing about this team is that like people focus on that flash and the outside skill players and the Malachi Tonys or whatever. But when Miami is Miami, when they are the you. They are great on the lines and that's what this team.

[A]

Reuben Bain, Ruben Bane, bro.

[C]

Ruben Bane. Yeah, man. So they've got a lot of that. And Marcel Reed, I mean, he's. He's not. He has a great name. He's led them to some great wins. I don't think he's a great quarterback. And Miami is going to have a chance to put him in hell in this game. And like, I. So seeing him under pressure, I just could see how that could. I could see how A and M could make a lot of mistakes. And unlike South Carolina, if you get down like that against Miami, if you struggle like that against Miami, you're not going to be able to come back from it.

[A]

Yeah, absolutely. They're going to make them pay. It also, just skill position wise, KC Conception, Malachi, Tony should be some big plays in this game, so that should be a lot of fun. Van guess the round one storylines, what do you expect to see during these games on Friday and Saturday?

[B]

Well, I think it'll be Deborah Watch.

[A]

Especially if they're down, right?

[B]

If they're down. I think it'll be Deborah watch. I think the round one storylines going in, it will be what happens if Alabama loses? Watching Coach Deborah's body language on the sidelines, like, does he like coaching there? There's no reason to believe that he doesn't. Right. Alabama's been through a lot this year, but they've come out on top there in the playoff. He still have the opportunity. All their goals are ahead of them. Does he like coaching there? What is going to happen if they win? Does that shut off all the news? If they noise, should I say, if they lose, does that reignite everything?

[A]

Yeah, it's going to be fascinating because, you know, there's a lot of expectations there, which is a lot of pressure to live under. But again, everyone's saying that DeBoer does not want to run away from the smoke. He wants to, I guess, run through it. So we'll see what happens. And that goes back to the U. They love running through the smoke there. My big storyline is new Ole Miss. I don't think there will be a tepid response one way or the other if they win. I think Ole Miss fans will talk them into this is a new regime. We need to get rid of Lane. He was part of the circus act. And now this is back to football, right? With Golding and this whole new era. So I think that's going to be a big storyline if they win, if they Lose, it's going to be like, why did we let Lane leave? Why couldn't we cut the check? Why couldn't we keep him here? Why do we let this happen? So I just think it's going to be one way or the other, 100%. Either everybody's excited because they won and they're going to buy into the story and, and if they lose, it's going to go the whole opposite direction. So new Ole Miss, how would you.

[C]

Feel if they lose to Georgia? Like, let's say they advance, they play, they get their rematch against Georgia and Georgia, you know, does them up 35, 20, 24. Like, I wonder how Ole Miss feels. And it's like, well, I. My thought is Ole Miss feel like, yeah, that's probably about what I expected.

[B]

Ole Miss as a program, as two ways to look at this or two ways to approach this, or should I say there are two realities for them. One reality is that this playoff team represents the same thing that it did before Lane Kiffin left Ole Miss, which is the evolution, the progression of the team towards being a national championship type team. The progression of the program to be in a national championship type program.

[D]

Program.

[B]

In order to do that, you have to have a great season. That season has to end up in you going into the playoff. And then when you go into the playoff, you got to do damage. Maybe not the first time you're in the playoff. Do you win it like other teams in the SEC did? Oh, daddy.

[A]

Okay, but maybe you get speaking Joel's language.

[C]

No, that's not my language.

[B]

And you continue to move your program forward and you end up holding a trophy one day or is this something different? Is this team the death rattle of the Lane Kiffin era in Oxford? Can they continue to build on this? And I think the playoff run and how they play is going to have a lot to do with it. Is this the end of something with Ole Miss or the continuation and beginning of something, which is what it was before Lane left.

[A]

And it's going to be fascinating just in the future. Golding vs. Lane Kiffin, a defensive, you know, head coach, going up against an offensive minded head coach, a guy that has a relationship, you know, with each other. I mean, there's going to be so much cross pollination between those two programs.

[C]

This feels very Matt Luke to me. You know, when they, you know, after Hugh Freeze left and they had, they had to hire somebody at the Hugh Freeze and they got, you know, Luke, who wanted to be there, he was an alum, you know, a kind of a non traditional guy. I think he was offensive line coach. So he didn't have like, you know, the offensive mastermind or the offensive genius or whatever. He didn't have any of that. But he was a guy that wanted to be there. We can capitalize on all the. All the great things we've got here in Oxford, Mississippi. You know, a lot of things to sell to these kids. They just ended up going and being Ole Miss again. And I kind of figure that that's probably what's going to happen again here. Nobody said that Pete Golding was a genius, you know, before they hired his job. No, Pete golden wasn't being whispered about for none of them big jobs.

[B]

He's a good defensive coach.

[C]

He's a good defensive coach, but nobody is saying he was.

[A]

Nobody saying, I like that he dips all the time. I think that's awesome. He's got a spitter at his press conference.

[B]

He was one of the. He was one of the.

[C]

Some of the worst defenses, saving one of the worst. Some of the. Some of the least. The word I'm looking for some of the defenses that were not of typical Saban vintage happened under the. Under them golden years. And I would do you. I don't. What job did you hear Pete Golding talked about?

[B]

He was. He was one of the people whose names was like, this is one of the guys that's gonna be on the cusp. He definitely was, bro.

[C]

Yeah, well, no, wait, what I'm saying. Who was talking about hiring him?

[B]

He definitely was one of the guys and the fucking names is what I'm trying to. He was one of the guys. He was one of the dudes.

[C]

He was one of the dudes. Okay.

[B]

One of the guys. One of the fellows, you know, he's a g. Yeah.

[C]

Okay. Eric Morris. I'll just throw some names out there. Jeff Traylor.

[A]

You know, you're worried about him. You're worried about him, and I think that's a fair point. It's gonna be a fascinating weekend. We're gonna be live on Saturday, reacting to the games. We're gonna be back. It's gonna be a lot of storylines. A lot of the stuff we just brought up we'll be discussing in real time. We'll also talk about some of the news stories that have been out this week. Arch Manning coming back. DJ Lagway floating around. Apparently some raw head coach at Tulane told him that he would have to compete for the job at Florida. And he said, peace, I'm going to Miami. It looks like so we'll talk about that potentially. But let's get into big van on campus. Van, what's your message for the people this week?

[B]

Man, this one hurts. This one hurts because this is kind of like tiger on tiger violence.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

We had a quarterback at LSU named T.J. finley. It's a quarterback that I really like, man. I actually DM the kid one time to congratulate him on a performance that he had.

[A]

Classic booster.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, what else? What Booster behavior, man. Hey, son, pull up something on your books.

[B]

But I have to say something. Not just the TJ fan. Beloved former Tiger, because he's also a beloved former Western Kentucky Hilltopper. Two lane green waiver, whatever Texas State is, whatever Georgia State is.

[C]

Bobcats.

[B]

Bobcats, all of this. He's been to a bunch of different schools.

[A]

And tj, he was at Tulane, right?

[B]

He was at Tulane. TJ Finley is apparently appealing to the NCAA to get another year of eligibility. I think that would be his seventh year eligibility or his sixth or seventh year.

[A]

Seventh year. Yeah. Van Wilder.

[B]

So that he can play.

[C]

Keep it going, bro.

[B]

More. More college football. Okay, you guys, we have to stop this. This has to stop. And I'm not saying that, like being in college is not intoxicating. Continuing to get whatever nil money is great and I understand it, but I actually think for these young men, barring crazy injury situations and he's had some injuries and he's had some other things, right?

[C]

Yeah, Billy. Yeah, Billy.

[B]

Let him know I would like to talk to him about this. I think Billy is telling me right now that we might be having him on the show and it's looking good, but I have. I would like to talk to him about this. Another year of college football. You're delaying the inevitable, which is you starting your life. You started your life after college football. And it's important that while college football becomes this free for all this money making economic endeavor, that we don't deincentivize or decentralize or make of lesser importance the fact that college is a portion of your life that has to be moved on for. You have to move. You have to get out of college. And this is not just something that we've talked to athletes about. We've all known guys that have hung around for a long time, been around for a long time. It's joke in college, in and out, semester by semester, and you look at them and you go, yo, when are you going to finish this and start your life?

[A]

Yeah, let it go.

[B]

Let it go. You have got your Start, start your life. Number one. I know y' all want to be in college for a guy like TJ Finley. He's going on 24. The girls are getting younger, you're getting older. It's about to start looking weird for you to be hanging out with the freshman. Right. So the all of the things that you're in college for is not shy anymore. It's not cool anymore. They call TJ a journeyman college quarterback. Yeah, you shouldn't be a journeyman in college. College is a part of your journey. A journeyman should not be something that you are while you are still in school. And also, he's not furthering his brand. If you look at the schools that he's been at, lsu, Auburn, Western Kentucky, Tulane, Texas State, Georgia State, he is getting worse in terms of the quality of school that we're taking.

[C]

Georgia State.

[B]

If you thought shout out to Georgia State right there in the middle of downtown Atlanta, I fuck with them.

[C]

You got the Andrew Young School of.

[B]

Government, the whole nine. But if you thought, if you thought that you were going to be a Bo Nix or Cam Ward type quarterback, Gardner Minshew, you're going to continuously upgrade till you get that one big shot at a big school with an offense that works for you. It's not happening for TJ Finley. It's not happening for a lot of these other guys. It is time for TJ Finley to take his talents to the real world. What you've learned both in a football field and the classroom, it is waiting to meet you in society. And I fear that the new rules of college football are not just going to hamper people's watching of the sport and their cultural connection to their program, but it's actually going to hamper the long term development of a lot of young men who cannot let college football go. They can't let college football go because it's sweeter for them there than it is in the real world. Your life is lived in the real world. That's where your life is lived. And after this much time, it is time for you to go find out if your skills translate in Canada or the USFL or the XFL or wherever. Or it's time for you to go try to make a team, or it's time for you to take what you've learned and use it in coaching. Or perhaps it's time for you to take everything that you have and go do something else. And that's okay. That is completely okay, man. So don't run from the grind. And life is the grind. Start your life. It's going to happen for a lot of people. It might as well happen for you now.

[A]

And don't burn the network that you're in. That could help you in that next, you know, stage of life. I think that's the other big part of this. When you're jumping from different places all the time, you kind of lose the networking that can help you in the real world. So that's another facet of the whole thing.

[C]

You guys are both so wrong. And.

[A]

Oh, no, Joel wants him on the show now.

[C]

You could. Well, first, I've always wanted him on the show. And tj, I can show you on my story list where even at the beginning of the year, I wanted to talk to you. I think you've got a fascinating story. I'd love to talk to you. It's kind of a one of a kind college experience. And I. And so I. I'll. So there's two things that really affected me in college. My running backs coach was a guy named Bud Casey. He was actually Bo Jackson's college running best coach at Auburn. And Bo Jackson hated him. He talked about slapping him in the face once or something like that. But Bud was famous for, like, playing in college for like, eight years. Like, he had, like, played for. He played for Bear Bryant, but then he played, like, all these other schools across the South. And I just thought, man, that made him really interesting. And the one thing about it that, you know, they. They told all these great stories about my coach, man. And I just looked at him, and he was probably in his late 40s then. He was just some old guy that had a job, you know? But that thing, that experience he had in college gave him a little character, gave him a little whimsy, little. Little something. I was like, oh, man, maybe there's something else to Coach Casey. And that's not actually what happened, but it was sort of a thing. But also, bro, once I was walking on college campus. My second is my. My last semester of college, and I didn't have a great college experience. I don't gotta get into it. I did not prioritize fun enough in college. Okay. But anyway, I remember I'm walking across the college campus. That was actually fun while you ride, to be honest. But it was okay. You don't see. You don't have to be home. Yeah.227. That's what's up, Joe Briggs. What's up? That's my roommate. But look, man, I was walking across campus, I saw these kids playing Frisbee on the yard and I saw some other kids just laying out there and I was like, bro, why didn't I do that? That's. I should have done that. Like, why didn't I, like, just sit down and have more fun? Like, what was I in a rush to do? You said, van, you say being the grind, man. He has the rest of his life to live the grind. Right now he's T.J. finley. We talking about T.J. finley right now. He's a college football legend, bro. Keep add on to the legend. See if you can get a ninth year. If you can, you know, try to make yourself a pro college quarterback. That you said. When you said college journeyman, I got excited. I was like, damn, that's pretty cool, man. College journeyman. He got to see all these different places. I'm with that.

[B]

So then. So I'll talk to you, bro. So then number one, he's not going to be making a lot of money right at this point with the nil.

[C]

Probably not.

[B]

He's.

[C]

I get another degree.

[B]

He's taking a ton of hits. He's adding the wear and tear in his body, like all of it. There's really legitimately, if you want to say that it's cool to stay in college mode for as long as you can. You just like the guys that go, hey, I'm a. I'm gonna leave my parents house when they kick me out. That's fine. I'm not like, I know people, look, that's cool.

[C]

That's not.

[B]

But I'm saying, like, that that's the same shit. That's cool, that's cool. But I'm telling you, the sooner you get in the world, the sooner you figure it out. You can be like Joel playing Frisbee with people if you want. The sooner you get in the world.

[C]

You'Re gonna wish you one day, tj, you gonna wish you had played that Frisbee game.

[B]

Tj, you got all your life to play Frisbee. You can play Frisbee on the weekend. They got this game. Oh, shit, check this out. They got this game, like. So I used to have a. When I was back in Baton Rouge, there was a girl that I was seeing and we would go to Highland Road park and, you know, when I was, you know, we was, you know, we go to Highland Road Park. That's where we would go.

[C]

Okay, why not?

[B]

Whatever. We would go to Highland Road park and that's where we would go. Because, you know, nobody had like a. You had to go to Holland Road park sometimes and, you know, look out and all that stuff. But we would go to Highland Road park and they had the Frisbee golf there. Oh, tj, you could do that. The Frisbee golf is crazy. Y' all ever played that before?

[A]

Yeah, one time they had.

[B]

They had the Frisbee, the disc golf that they have there at Highland Road Park. They had taken all of the regular golf away from Highland Road park and they did the disc golf. So go do that. Play ultimate Frisbee if you want.

[A]

Play real golf, you know, play real golf, whatever.

[C]

Do it with your friends in college.

[B]

So much you can do, but what you need to do is start your life. This is his life out of college.

[D]

All right.

[C]

All that is life. All of that. All of that is life. What are you running into? The economy is bad. What job are you going to get?

[B]

227. There's going to be this whole group of young men who give their whole 20s to be. You get out. You 26, 27 years old. Some of these guys. You get out a goddamn school. And now you done giving your whole 20s to being in college mode. You giving up five years of actual real world learning. Get out of school.

[C]

Nah, bro. Live your life, man in advance. I'm not dating freshmen. You could date at this point. You could date grad students, maybe a professor. You don't even. He's gonna have a whole different thing going on. I just. I imagine TJ Finley has got a dope off campus apartment.

[A]

We gotta get TJ on the show Kids Now.

[C]

I think he mentioned he's got kids now, too.

[A]

Okay. There you go.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So it sounds like it's ready for.

[C]

The real world back and. Yeah, man, he's probably trying to live his life. He's like, why would I. Yeah. Why would I go out there?

[A]

Well, if they get rid of term limits on college sports, maybe TJ could be a pioneer, you know, he could play college football for the rest of his life. We'll see what happens. I think it was a good note. I like the big man on campus. Let's bring in Billy Gill. Last call here. He has a hypothetical he wants to. To run by everybody to get a read on the room, and then we can say our goodbyes before Saturday. Billy, I turn it over to you.

[D]

Well, I feel like Joel's not going to like this hypothetical because he didn't like to go along with these things for whatever reason. This might be one that you're interested in because you were just saying maybe TJ Becomes like A career college football player, you remove like the term limits and he can just do that forever.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

I was thinking this weekend, I don't know if you guys saw like the big news in, in the football world besides the Heisman and Fernando Mendoza and all that. Philip Rivers, 44 years old, comes back to the NFL, plays for the Colts. Right now we see players come out of college and go to the NFL. They can come and they can dominate college football games and then they go to the NFL and it's a different speed and you see like, oh wait, this is going to take a minute. It's going to take an adjustment period here. They don't actually look as good as they did a year ago because everyone's a great player. Right. That got me to thinking when you get older and you start slowing down a little bit. Philip Rivers looks somewhat like an NFL rookie this past week. He was serviceable, he did an okay job, but he wasn't great. How would Philip rivers do at 44 years old if you put him on a college football team right now with the experience, with the skill set that he has. How far could Philip Rivers take a college football team?

[B]

I think he's a Heisman Trophy quarterback. Damn. The windows that he's throwing into are going to be a lot more open. He's. I think that if you put him. I think the. What he still has physically plus everything that he has in his head, I think he's probably a Heisman Trophy candidate. If he, if he, if he. With his.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Diagnosing defenses. I think yeah, he would cook. Yeah.

[C]

I was going to say yeah. A lower tier high been candidate. I don't think he'd be the winner but I feel like he could, he could lead you to a 10 and 2111 season.

[D]

If you replay if you replace Diego Pavia with Philip Rivers.

[C]

O that's tough man. Cuz Diego, Diego's a good runner.

[B]

He was running though. That's the thing. It's probably more Phillip with Mendoza actually. You got to put Phillip in the right offense for his skill set. If you put him over there in, in Vanderbilt, maybe it's not the right fit because he can't move at all.

[C]

He.

[B]

He tried to, he. He fell down on a drop back. I think one time I saw it.

[D]

Got up and ran a couple yards and then fell again to avoid getting hit.

[B]

Wait, wait, wait wait wait wait wait wait wait. Did Philip rivers have over 0.5 yards rushing?

[D]

I think he still got sacked on that play.

[A]

I don't think he Ran.

[B]

Because if he did, I was so tempted, I was so tempted to put Philip Rivers, I think it was over 0.5 yards or something like that rushing.

[A]

They said he was talking shit the whole game, which I thought was amazing. You know, he's like been out of the game and he's just like right back to it.

[D]

It's great.

[C]

Have you ever seen the video of him where he was talking shit to a dude that knocked him down like in the end zone.

[A]

He doesn't stop. If you talk to anybody that played against Phil Rivers in college, something else.

[B]

He never stops doing nothing.

[A]

Yeah, he's got a lot of kids.

[D]

Negative five yards rushing.

[B]

That's what he had.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Damn, man. But I mean, look, I think he probably, if you put him in there, he probably fucking over some people, man. Cause he was still making throws. Yeah, they did. It didn't look pretty. He was still making throws. He still seems like he knew where the defense was going to be enough not to go out there and throw what, six, seven picks. So I think he probably going crazy. If you put him in that.

[C]

Yeah, I think he'd be. Yeah, I still think he'd be a really, really high end college football player. Like don't you think he. Don't you think he's competitive in Carson Beck? You'd rather have him than Carson Beck, wouldn't you?

[B]

No. You wouldn't rather than Carson Beck?

[C]

No.

[A]

You.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You'd rather have Philip Rivers instead of Carson Beck? Yes or no.

[B]

Starting right now for Miami in this next game?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

No.

[C]

You'd rather have Carson Beck?

[B]

Yeah. Why? Well, because I think.

[C]

Well, he said he was a Heisman one.

[B]

Wait, wait, wait a second though. Let me, let me change it. Are we talking about putting Philip Rivers, you're saying so 44 year old Philip Rivers. I know, but has Philip Rivers played for Miami the entire season or are you talking about starting Saturday, you'd rather have Philip Rivers or Carson Beck starting today?

[D]

It is hypothetical. He plays a season in college football.

[A]

Because if we just dropped him in.

[D]

He wouldn't be eligible to be a Heisman winner.

[B]

Well, no, just forget a. Fuck the Heisman. But like, are you saying, are you.

[C]

Saying right now, are you saying right.

[B]

Now when you say this, are you saying to start the game on Saturday or would you rather have had him for the whole season?

[D]

The whole season.

[B]

Okay, well then yeah, it's probably Philip Rivers. But if you're telling me to start the game Saturday, let me ask you guys this. Forget about the whole season to start the game Saturday. Right now, if you are the Miami fan base. And you could start Philip Rivers in the place of Carson Beck. On Saturday. Yeah, on Saturday for this one game, who would you start?

[A]

I would start Rivers.

[C]

Yeah, I'll start.

[B]

So you would start Rivers.

[A]

Just give the intelligence factor. I'm not saying that he's not gonna use Einstein or anything.

[B]

Give Rivers the whole week with the playbook. And you would rather start Philip Rivers at quarterback on this weekend than Carson Beck?

[C]

Yeah, he won't get shook. He won't get shook. And Miami has a good offensive line.

[A]

So he's got a weapon with Malachi. Tony, he's got a defense to help C.J.

[C]

Daniels. He got handed off to Mar.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And that. That's a good office.

[A]

I think they would win the title.

[C]

Yeah, man, we got to reassess that. They have.

[D]

Van, would you take Bryce Young right now on a week's notice in Miami?

[A]

Oh, yeah. I would take Bryce, too.

[B]

I'll probably take Bryce.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

That's a hot.

[B]

Bryce is better than Philip, but Bryce is so much younger. Like, I probably take Bryce. Bryce. I'd probably take Bryce. That's interesting, though. The Philip Rivers thing is interesting when you think about it like that. Because if it's for the one game, I'm probably still taking Carson back because he's been with the team the whole year. I see what you guys say about the whole year. Philip Rivers is probably going to be better. But you guys say a week of practice, give Philip Rivers the playbook he got to have.

[A]

So I feel like the team would be excited, you know, like, Philip Rivers walked into the room and he's like, what's going on, fellas?

[D]

Okay, how about this? Not just for this week, but moving forward for the playoffs. Do you like your chances with Philip Rivers kind of figuring it out over a span of three weeks or Carson.

[B]

Beck, the more he plays Rivers.

[C]

He gonna get that rhythm back, too.

[A]

It's giving Paul Crew. It's like Paul Crew in the longest yard.

[C]

You know, he's gonna raise the roof on the scoreboard. That's right.

[B]

Yeah, I still. I see your point, though. I still would probably take Rivers this. I mean, back this Saturday. But, you know, if. If you have the feeling. I mean, think about it, though. I'm kind of waffling a little bit because Philip Rivers has. He understands and has digested NFL schemes. Getting to a college scheme for him should not be that complicated, shouldn't it? Should be kind of easy. I don't know. Okay. All Right. How about this? All right, how about. Last question about this. Is there any college quarterback currently in the playoff? I'm talking Mendoza, Dante Moore, whomever it is. Ty Simpson. Ty Big Daddy Simpson, as Joel calls him. John Matier. Any of the guys, right, Any other guys that are. Are there Gunner, Stockton, Any guys. Are there any college quarterbacks starting this weekend or starting in the playoff that you would take over Philip Rivers to run your team throughout the whole playoffs? Anyone?

[C]

Man, I.

[A]

No.

[C]

I'm trying to think about Mendoza, man. I'm like, man, do I. Do I want. I was like, do I want Philip Rivers?

[A]

Bill's a gamer, too. Like, he's like, that's why I open. That's why I open, you know?

[C]

Yeah, man, I love it. That's a good. That's a good river. That's the North Carolina.

[A]

I've heard a lot of. I've heard a lot of Phil Rivers talking.

[C]

You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah, you can talk, Billy.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Any Rivers over every quarterback, man, if you.

[D]

If you take him over, Mendoza would. The Heisman Trophy winner. Wouldn't you take him over anyone?

[C]

Well, I mean, the thing about Dante Moore, because I like. I really like Dante Moore. And if there's not really an offense or a quarterback that they need to run to win, Right. Like Mattier, I guess, is the close. But of course I'm taking Philip Rivers over John Mateer. So. Yeah, man. Yeah, that's. That's you.

[A]

So we gotta tag. We gotta tag Phil Rivers.

[B]

We have to. Just to let y' all know, just to let you know, with all of these. So Philip Rivers has to win you your national championship from the pocket, like you have. Some of these quarterbacks are mobile guys, dual threat guys. You have no running threat with him. Yeah, you have nothing. Some of your quick game might not even work. Well. Like, your RPOs might be all up. You're not going to be able to run, man.

[C]

Okay, see, there's no zone reads.

[B]

There's none.

[A]

I think he's bulldozing a couple DNS.

[D]

You know what I mean?

[A]

There's a college, too. Yeah.

[C]

I might take Marcel Reed because they need him to run, man. I might. Oh, man. Or Trinidad, man. Because Trinidad is kind of a run.

[B]

Chambers, Reed, all of this.

[C]

Oh, man, because. Yeah, champ. Because that's the thing. Now I gotta ask Phil to run and make something happen.

[A]

Nah, Feels Phil's stiff arming like some of these DNS and letting them hear about it. You know what I mean?

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

He's A big dude. They said he's weighing like 285.

[B]

That looked like he was three.

[D]

That's concerned.

[C]

He was three bills.

[D]

His head looks smaller with the helmet on.

[B]

Yeah, that was so. It was so funny for me to watch that happening. And I thought they were gonna win that game. If they'd have won that game, you would not have heard the end of that from Philip Rivers. Fourteen or 15 children, like, if they'd have won that game, bro. It's crazy.

[C]

Is that that. Is that the best win of his career?

[B]

If he wins that game, it's one of them.

[A]

It would be memorable. It would, yeah. It'd be up there. That's the problem with Phil Rivers is that, like, he's never really gone on a real run either, you know? So it is hard to kind of be like, he's gonna go win the championship because that's not really his, you know, his deal. So that's the one argument against him. But I love Phil Rivers. I'm in. Sign me up, Billy. Good hypothetical. We have decided that Phil Rivers would win an ash from championship with any team and be the best quarterback in this College Football Playoff. Who would have thought we'd end up at this point? What a show. Great to be back. Missed you guys. Good to talk.

[C]

Hold on. Before you go.

[A]

Yeah, please.

[C]

Are we allowed to talk about you?

[A]

What do you mean?

[C]

Are we about to talk about your life?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, sure, if you want to.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

This our family, man. We gotta tell people about what happened in our family.

[D]

You're abandoning us, though.

[A]

Well, yeah. We'll see if you leave us. Yeah.

[B]

You said you was going with the prince box.

[C]

Yeah, dog, I said I was gonna be with you. Hey, don't overly overshadow that. Tate is his. Riley made an honest man of him this past weekend.

[A]

That's right. Yeah. Thanks, guys. Yeah, Appreciate it. One Saturday I had off. I was not locked in on the Army Navy game. I was locked in on a proposal. It worked out. Sal said that it was going to be longer than six and a half seconds before she said yes. The underhit. It was a quick yes.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Beautiful time.

[C]

And you were Santa Barbara, right?

[A]

Santa Barbara. I went up to Solvang for the day. Nice time.

[B]

So When's the wedding?

[A]

2027.

[C]

Long.

[A]

Long Runway.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Okay. So you're giving yourself some time to think about it?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Just, you know, I'm gonna enjoy the engagement. You know, we're not worried about it. We already live together. You know, I feel like a lot of people rush into the marriage because they want to get, you know, living in a house together. We already live together, so.

[B]

Yeah, it's easy. Okay, cool. There you go. Taylor's the I'm talking about. Yeah, man.

[C]

We're proud of you, dog.

[A]

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