Reacting to the CFP Rankings, and Hugh Freeze Chose Golf Over Auburn

Summary

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Ringer Tailgate — CFP Rankings Reactions & Hugh Freeze’s Golf Exit

Podcast: Ringer Tailgate
Date: November 6, 2025
Hosts: Van Lathan, Joel Anderson, Tate Frazier
Main Theme:
Deep-dive reactions to the just-released College Football Playoff (CFP) rankings, debates around power conference narratives, and laughter over Hugh Freeze’s golf-induced ouster at Auburn. The trio analyze committee logic, power rankings, conference propaganda, and coaching culture, mixing sharp analysis, deep college football references, and fun chaos.

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1. CFP Rankings: Immediate Reactions & Debates

Timestamps: [02:16]–[32:43]

Key Discussion Points

• Van’s Conspiracy Theory:

  • Jokes the CFP list reflects Joel’s personal biases — “Joel made this list.” [02:16]
  • Says CFP is favoring Joel’s teams: Notre Dame, Texas, Miami — and notes Miami is ranked behind a team they beat.

• Notre Dame vs. Miami Controversy:

  • Notre Dame is ranked above Miami, despite Miami beating them — major bone of contention.
  • Van: “I see two losses and really no victories.” [04:54]
  • Tate: “If I was a Miami fan right now, I’d be livid.” [02:21]
  • Joel: “The committee’s rationale: Alabama, week one, doesn’t count, obviously.” [04:17]

• How Should Teams Be Ranked? Wins vs. Losses:

  • Van: “Is it who you’ve beaten or who you’ve lost to?” [05:55]
  • Tate: “Committee says it’s supposed to be who you beat, not who you lost to.” [06:33]
  • Consensus: It will all “sort itself out” on the field by the end of the season.

• The Secure Branding of the SEC:

  • Tate: The SEC “turns every three-point victory over a team with a losing record into some sort of grand epic.” [07:42]
  • Van: Notes SEC’s culture and gravitas (“rings culture”) impacts perceptions, referencing Kirby Smart’s credibility after championships. [10:34]
  • “Only one thing changes that—that is national championships.”
  • Conference reputation determines how close wins/losses are interpreted.

Notable Quote

“The SEC got more, girl. The SEC got more dick. Than the ACC, bruh... I think the Big Ten actually probably has the biggest cock wagon. But ... the dick riding is different because the dick is different.” – Van Lathan [22:30]

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2. Committee Critiques & Transparency

Timestamps: [33:40]–[43:20]

• Composition of the Committee:
  • Hosts poke fun at the randomness of committee members: “Is it worth it to be on this committee? … the hall monitors of college football.” – Van Lathan [34:48]
  • Questions about compensation—jokes about “payola” and whether the benefit is just getting expenses paid, first-class travel, etc.

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3. Hugh Freeze’s Firing at Auburn — Golf Over Football?

Timestamps: [43:20]–[56:42]

Key Insights

• Golf Tee-Time as the Giveaway:

  • Freeze’s Sunday golf tee time “mysteriously removed”—led to rumors, then confirmation he’d been fired. [43:20]

• Why Hugh Freeze Failed at Auburn & His Coaching Reputation:

  • Not so much shocked at the firing as at his hiring. Van: “The blind side can only take you so far.” [44:49]
  • Joel: “He’s attuned to criticism, weird guy... Auburn was tired of weird guy energy.” [47:22]
  • Freeze’s previous successes attributed to early NIL prowess at Ole Miss, rather than “true” football resurrection.
  • Speculation: Is this Freeze’s last chance at a big-program head job? “Maybe he ends up back at Liberty.” [51:17]

• Golfing as a Problematic Coach Addiction:

  • Van’s advice: “Stay off the golf!” [51:58]
  • “Brian Kelly golfed his way out of LSU. Hugh Freeze golfed his way [into trouble]… Please golf responsibly.” [53:49]

• Coaching Culture & Off-Field Balance:

  • Jokes comparing “hoes to holes”: “Golf is the replacement for the hoes.” – Joel Anderson [56:42]

Notable Moment

“All this we hear about Hugh Freeze right now is how he had this insane golfing habit. A standing tee time on Sunday morning. Meanwhile, Auburn is going down the street... This motherf***er is working on his handicap.” – Van Lathan [53:47]

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4. The CFP Committee: Corruption or Careful Selection?

Timestamps: [33:40]–[43:20]

• Joking about possible bribery (“payola”) to influence CFP rankings.
• How much would it cost to move a team into the Top 12? “250k, 250k won’t change your life!” [41:14]
• Van: “Just shows you how Joel’s been living—Moneybags Joel!” [41:50]

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5. Dabo Swinney Calls Out Officials — Blame Game or Legit Grievance?

Timestamps: [62:57]–[69:24]

Key Discussion Points

• Debating Dabo Sweeney’s public criticism of officiating; suggests referees may be influenced by gambling.
• Van: “This is one of the worst, most bullshit things I’ve seen. Dabo is going to Mission Impossible level conspiracy theories to avoid talking about a disastrous season.” [63:40]
• Tate: Calls for better models of sportsmanship and humility from public figures—“People need to be able to just take an L, man.” [66:10]
• Joel: “Rule number 76: No excuses, play like a champion.” [68:07]

Notable Quote

“Dabo’s crashing out. That’s a crash out. I mean, that’s a crash out.” – Van Lathan [68:16]

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6. Best Games of Week 11: Storylines & Predictions

Timestamps: [71:06]–[84:07]

• LSU vs Alabama:
  Van: “This game … is a test of culture. It’s a test of resilience… the only thing that we can connect to is what happens on the field on Saturday. I want to see how they respond.” [71:57]
  • Both Tate and Joel agree: Expect a motivated LSU performance in Tuscaloosa.
• BYU @ Texas Tech:
  Texas Tech’s defense is the key; BYU’s freshman QB faces his toughest test yet. Lubbock will be wild. [74:44]
• Other Big Games:
  • Indiana vs Penn State: Will Penn State finally show its pride and play up to its talent? [77:17]
  • Texas A&M @ Mizzou: Mizzou has a chance to prove it’s not just “well-coached” but truly intimidating at home. [78:58]
  • Tulane vs Memphis: Loser likely eliminated from AAC title and playoff contention. [80:03]
• Underlying Themes:
  • November in college football: Injuries, chaos, unexpected firings, upsets—it’s “always crazy.” [32:01, 82:29]

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7. Lighter Moments, Pop Culture, and Tangents

Timestamps: [84:07]–[97:13]

• J. Michael Sturdivant & The Broadcast Sister Shoutout:

  • ESPN highlights Florida WR’s sister (Cowboys cheerleader + Instagram handle) on national TV. Panel debates if this is out-of-bounds or harmless. [85:04]
  • Van: “There’s no place on earth where having a fly sister is more of a liability than in the locker room.” [87:14]
  • Lot of playful banter over family legacy, Instagram, and culture.

• Sutton’s Drugstore:

  • Extensive comedic riff over a classic Chapel Hill diner.
  • Jokes about racial history, milkshakes, and the need for a documentary. [94:46]

• Random Digressions:

  • “Top 5 drugs you do” mock ranking.
  • Light roast of Joel’s “warehouse party” past.

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8. Parting Shots

Timestamps: [96:54]–[101:22]

• Van watching which coaches might save their jobs in this “age of carnage,” focusing on coaching pressure and college football’s changing culture. [97:13]
• Tate highlights Harvard’s 7–0 run and their “NFL-caliber” quarterback, Jaden Craig, as the Ivy League sends teams to the FCS playoffs for the first time. [99:24]
• Joel reminisces about North Carolina legends, saying goodbye with gratitude and excitement for more CFP debate and live Saturday Ringer Tailgate.

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Select Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Joel made this list.” — Van Lathan [02:16]
• “The SEC got more dick than the ACC, bruh.” — Van Lathan [22:30]
• “If you want your teams to be ranked higher, band together like the SEC does.” — Tate [09:31]
• “Crashing out. That’s a crash out.” — Van Lathan on Dabo Sweeney [68:16]
• “Stay off the golf!” — Van Lathan [51:58]
• “Only way to change the propaganda is to start winning titles.” — Van Lathan [13:12]
• “November is crazy… teams get hurt, teams fire coaches, teams get rivalry games.” — Tate [32:01]

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Structured Timeline (Major Segments)

• [00:08] Intro, CFP rankings drop & host banter
• [02:16] Immediate CFP reactions, Notre Dame–Miami debate, power-conference bias
• [07:42]–[22:30] SEC perception, conference narratives, "conference propaganda"
• [33:40] Committee composition, payola jokes, transparency
• [43:20] Hugh Freeze’s Auburn firing — golf, coaching reputations, what next?
• [62:57] Dabo Sweeney’s officiating blow-up, sportsmanship
• [71:06] Week 11 preview — LSU-Alabama, Texas Tech-BYU, more matchup breakdowns
• [84:07] Pop culture riffs, Instagram, family legacies, and diner debates
• [96:54] Parting shots, Harvard’s undefeated run, college sports nostalgia

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Bottom Line

This episode is everything Ringer Tailgate promises—insightful, irreverent, and smart, with a ton of CFB substance and personality-driven flavor. From critiquing the quirks and politics of the CFP committee and rankings process, to skewering SEC “propaganda,” to roasting Hugh Freeze’s midseason golf priorities, it’s a loaded episode. In between, the hosts highlight big Week 11 games, defend (or clown) their teams, and let their personalities run wild—never far from both laughter and an incisive point about the sport.

For the uninitiated, you’ll finish the summary knowing where the playoff debate stands, what’s at stake for coaches/programs, which games to watch, and why college football remains the nation’s most chaotic, fascinating sport.

Transcript

[Van Lathan]

Foreign.

[Joel Anderson]

Welcome back to Rigor Tailgate, the Wednesday edition of the show. And guess what, folks, we got CFP rankings. They are official. They are out. And now we have the, you know, the conundrum here. Whether we go based off of the rankings by the CFP or the AP rankings, regardless, we got a lot to get to. We got reactions, we got responses to all this sort of stuff. We got overreactions. Dabo Sweeney calling out the officials. That'll be fun to talk about. But first and foremost, let's say what's up to our guys. Van Lathan in the place to be. Van Good to see you, man.

[Van Lathan]

What up, what up, what up, what up?

[Joel Anderson]

He's fired up for the day. We also got Joel Anderson in the TCU sweatshirt as is tradition. Joel, what's up, man?

[Tate]

Man Happy November. November. Man, can you believe it's already November?

[Joel Anderson]

I honestly can. It feels like this season is flying by. Maybe that's because we're having so much fun on the show. And shout out to everybody that is reaching out to us. We got some people within programs reaching out to us, top programs. We won't get into specifics there, but you know, people are liking Tailgate so we appreciate everybody tuning in. Again, go to the YouTube, go to Spotify, Subscribe. Like all the sort of things that you're supposed to do. But let's get right into it. Let's talk about the CFP. This is Ringer Tailgate presented by FanDuel. And college football Saturdays are heating up. Whether you're in it for the early kick or the late night action, FanDuel let you bet your way with same game parlays, live betting game props and more. And Missouri, get excited because FanDuel's coming your way December 1st. Download the app and head to FanDuel.com tailgate and make every Saturday count. Must be 21 or older and present in select states or 18 and older and present in DC, Kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-Gambler or visit rg-help.com call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut. I got the committee list. I want to maybe at some point power rank the committee members. We don't have to do that today, but at some point maybe we can do that. From random to expected to all the different things that could happen. But let's do some reactions to this one. One reaction, one big reaction. Van I'll go to you first after you see the top 25 from the CFP. A lot of things will change over the next month, but did you have one big reaction from this?

[Van Lathan]

Joel made this list.

[Tate]

Stop it.

[Van Lathan]

This is Joel's.

[Tate]

Stop it.

[Van Lathan]

College Football Playoff list. I'm looking at the list. Texas at 11. Wow. What? What's wrong with wow? Texas is in the playoff. If the playoff happened today. Miami at 18, Notre Dame at 10. These are all the teams that Joel loves. Joel is in simpatico with the College Football Playoff ranking committee, people. I would think if I was in Miam fan right now, I would be livid. I'd be very, very, very upset. Like, I beat a team that's eight spots in front of me. But Joel said that this was going to happen. He predicted this. This is his list. Utah, on the outside looking a lot of this stuff. Am I. Is this list a little wonky to you guys? Or are you guys not at all shocked or surprised by what you see?

[Tate]

I'm not. I'm actually impressed that they ranked Pittsburgh, too. For some reason, I was like, oh.

[Van Lathan]

Well, you guys know, ball.

[Tate]

You paying attention to Pittsburgh, you see that? That's a totally different team.

[Joel Anderson]

Let's be honest. They ranked Pittsburgh for Notre Dame's purposes. Right. Just so that when Notre Dame beats Pittsburgh, they can, you know, conjure up that reasoning as to why not.

[Van Lathan]

Oh. Oh, that guy. Are you saying that there is some.

[Joel Anderson]

Tomfoolery about, I think, a little chicanery in there?

[Tate]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Something going on? That's all I'm saying. Something's amiss.

[Tate]

What? What do y' all have against Notre Dame, man? I don't understand. Like, I mean, they've won. They've won six straight. The game they lost. I mean, the games they lost were crazy. Right? They lost that first game of the year on the road with a quarterback who had not started a game before. They lost to Texas A and M.

[Joel Anderson]

Because who did they lose to in that game, Joel? I think that's the real question, that that's why people are upset. Eight spots behind them is Miami with a similar resume.

[Van Lathan]

It just doesn't make any sense. They beat them.

[Tate]

It does.

[Van Lathan]

It. It to me. It was week one.

[Tate]

It was.

[Van Lathan]

All right, man.

[Joel Anderson]

That's the committee's rationale. It seems Alabama, week one, doesn't count, obviously.

[Van Lathan]

You got it. I'm looking at the games. Who has Notre Dame beaten?

[Joel Anderson]

Usc.

[Van Lathan]

Who have they beaten?

[Tate]

Usc.

[Van Lathan]

Okay. I mean. All right, cool.

[Tate]

That is North Carolina State got one up on Georgia Tech the other week.

[Van Lathan]

Gotcha. All I'm saying right now is I'm Looking at this, and I don't see. I see two losses and really no victories. I mean, the SC game, I get it, but I don't see anything that would denote them being where they are. The top 10 team.

[Tate]

Yeah. I mean, so they're a defending runner up. They're going to get Navy in another world. Navy might be ranked, but they just lost their first game of the season because they're Navy. They're not going to get the benefit of the doubt. They're going to get knocked out of the poll. Right. And then they'll beat Pitt. Well, I shouldn't say that they'll beat Pitt, but they've got, you know, and then, you know, I. Look, I. So to your point, Van, I. I don't necessarily disagree with Notre Dame being over Miami, but I do think that what they could do is just drop both of them outside of the top 15. So people won't talk about it for now. Like, if that was easy, like, to me, that would be the easier thing to do instead of trying to make a case for Notre Dame. Because I would say, what is Notre Dame done with its two losses and its record over Texas and ou, Right. Like, they should not be ranked over Texas and ou. I would have beef if I were those schools. Right. So that's one thing. But so I'll. I'll get.

[Van Lathan]

Texas has a lot. Texas has a loss to Florida.

[Tate]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

So Texas having a loss to Florida. Now Texas actually has a win, right. They beat the number nine team. They beat Vanderbilt. Um, at least they were number nine when they played them. But Texas to Florida and they beat ou. So Texas has. Texas has a loss to Florida, which some people might say is a really bad loss. The Notre Dame people would say we don't have any bad losses. I guess the question is, when you're looking at all of this stuff, do the losses mean more or do the wins mean more? How do you judge a team that's worthy of the playoff? It's. Is it who they've beaten or is it who they've lost to?

[Tate]

I think the committee has said in the past that it's supposed to be who you beat, not who you lost to. Right. Which is the only fair way to do it, because anybody can almost lose, can almost win. Right? Like that. That. That can be anybody. But I still just kind of feel like, you know, you know, well, first of all, this is all going to sort itself out. Like, this is the first one. We always. We always get, like, outraged about this stuff, and then it'll It'll figure itself out. But I. So to your point, because you mentioned Florida, Van, and I want, I want to play a clip here or something from, from after the Georgia game because I think that speaks to what's going on here. You guys continue to find ways to win latent games.

[Van Lathan]

Cardiac kids, man. Cardiac kids. Crazy games keep happening across the sec. Good staff, good coaches, a lot of credit. Florida, their kids fight. You know, Billy Napier has got a really good roster here and did a.

[Tate]

Great job assembling this thing.

[Van Lathan]

They got a physical football team. They're just in a really tough league.

[Tate]

So. And I'm going to admit that the first person to point this out was Danny Canel over at the COVID 3 podcast. But he makes this great point about how the sec.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, a great point.

[Van Lathan]

Wow. Okay.

[Tate]

You guys think I have any respect for Danny Canal, former Florida State No.

[Joel Anderson]

I just think we've been hard on him. So it's nice to, you know, it's nice to be positive. I like it.

[Tate]

I thought it was a smart point. He's not always on point, but this was a good one. But he makes this great point about how the SEC always has this narrative at the top of the mind and it turns every three point victory over a team with a losing record into some sort of grand epic. So, like, Kirby Smart sets it up perfect. He's in the middle of this post game scrum, the eyes of the nation on him, the microphone in front of his face, and he's got to let everybody know how difficult it was to win by one score over a team ranked 39th in SP plus ratings. Shout out to the guy. Bill Connolly over at ESPN doing a good job. Do you know who 38th is? SMU. Okay. But when I look at the difference, when Mario Cristobal goes into the post game conference and he's lost to SMU and there's almost an apology going on. He doesn't, he didn't. He didn't take a moment to say, well, hey, look, that team was in the playoffs last year. This. We're at Dallas. This team has a lot of, a lot of talent and a lot of players off that team from last year. This is a pretty good team. No matter what you think. It's always like, oh, man. Well, we, you know, we, we. We've got to do better. I've got to coach these guys better. This was, you know, it's a, it's a huge mistake. It's a huge tragedy within the league. And if you lose to another team in the League. But in the sec, they can make their losing teams sound like their national championship contenders. And so look for is 3 and 5. 3 and 5. Okay, we understand that they've, like, played well in some games, and they've done the Notre Dame thing where they've had some close losses and got a good defense.

[Van Lathan]

All of that, they play.

[Tate]

They play hard. But if Georgia and all the SEC schools and coaches, they know that people eat that up, man. When you talk about, man, you know, the league is really tough here, man. You know, we gotta. You gotta go on the road and play in this league and that they have a great roster over there and. And you look over there, and it's just 3 and 5 Florida. So that's. What if. If I had any advice for the ACC or the Big 12 going forward, if you want your teams to be ranked higher in these polls, you better start talking up your schools, man. Like, you better band together like the SEC does, because if you don't, people would just see SMU and they'll be like, well, why are you losing to them, man?

[Joel Anderson]

Well, it's propaganda, right? It's conference propaganda. That's what you got to push at some point. The ACC, by the way, 6 and 3 against the SEC in the Big Ten this season. I haven't seen that put out anywhere.

[Van Lathan]

Let me. Let me. Let me say. Let me. What is that right there on my pinky? What is that?

[Tate]

I can't see.

[Joel Anderson]

I can't tell. Is it a callous?

[Van Lathan]

No, no. That could be. But what is. No, what is. But just what am I wearing on my pinky?

[Joel Anderson]

Pinky.

[Tate]

Ring.

[Van Lathan]

A ring. I'm wearing a ring. Okay, so because I'm wearing a ring, we have to talk about something. Rings, rings, cultures, two things. Number one, when Kirby Smart speaks, it's different than Mario Crystal Ball speaking, because Kirby Smart has been to the mountaintop. Kirby Smart has won. And if you guys think that that doesn't matter, when somebody is talking about what matters in football and how hard it is to win, it does. Kirby Smart can say to the entire national media in the college football culture, let me tell you how difficult this thing is to do, and you're going to be like, oh, wait a minute. That is a national champion and the coach of a dominant program that is saying that. So guess what? It just means more. There's something else. Florida, the brand of that team matters more than the brand of smu. It just does. There is a belief that even if Florida is in disarray, there is a caliber of athlete that is there, that doesn't exist at smu. I'm not saying that that's fair. I'm not even saying that it's true. I'm saying that only one thing changes that that is national championships. The only thing that changes that is for the ACC or to or the Big 12 to have teams that go and win national championships. Multiple teams with national brands that people have faith in. If not, it won't be the same. It's not fair. It is not something that exists. It's like it's. I was having a conversation about somebody a little while ago about Mike Tyson. And for a long time, what Mike Tyson had done in the past as a fighter outweighed and colored people's view of the Mike Tyson that we were actually watching Box. But we knew that he had done it. We had seen it. That's the thing. Nothing that Mario Crystal Ball can say to the press will make people believe that he has an understanding of everything it takes to be a dominant football program until he's done it. And so all of the stuff that people talk about, the sec, it's all fair. I'm not saying that it's not fair. I'm not saying that some of this stuff is not colored and biased in a way. But what I am saying is that there is something underneath that, and it's something that SMU can't talk about, that Oklahoma State can't talk about, that not even Indiana can talk about. None of them can talk to it and speak to it until the reputations of their conferences are oriented at AS conferences that win national championships.

[Tate]

I'll give you Dabo Sweeney. Okay, so. So Dabo Swinney and the ACC could say that. Probably would say it, actually, to be honest, given the way how. How persnickety he is. What other coaches in the SEC can do that right now? Like, who's. Who's the guy who. Once you get past Kirby Smart, because this is, again, this is about the branding in the mythology of the league. But okay, so Kirby Smart says, man, it was really tough to beat 3 and 4 Florida. We made them 3 and 5. Respect my opinion on this. Dabo Swinney says, hey, man, sometimes in the ACC you. You know, these teams are all very equal. There's not a lot of variance here. There's a lot of depth in this league, and I know people don't respect it, but, you know, that's why we're losing so many games in the ACC right now. We get past that level of coach who else is in the SEC that we supposed to be listening to and think that we should respect what they have to say about championship culture.

[Van Lathan]

Nobody. Which is why if you'd have made this statement about Mike Elko or Lane Kiffin, remember, Brian Kelly tried to do that. Brian Kelly tried to do that. We came out, LSU won a game, came out and said, hey, we can't run the ball. He said, you're spoiled. We went, wait a minute. Now, hold on one second flag on the play. We're not spoiled. We're asking about the dysfunction of the team. You're telling us we're spoiled. How are we spoiled? You're the coach of the team. We're asking about how this team is going to win if they don't have a functional running game. Now, had that been Nick Saban, that would have said, hey, you're would have been like, all right, coach, you got it. He doesn't have that type of gravitas because he hadn't done it. You're right. What you're saying is correct. But what I'm saying is when Kirby Smart says that, when you're talking about. When you're comparing Kirby Smart to Mario Cristobal or to even. I mean, name the guy out there, if it's him, Ryan Day could get away with it. If it's Romever, if it's Kurt Signetti, you have to compare him, that type of coach, to somebody whose words and observations mean something big because they've done something big. And to your point, you're right. There's not a lot of other coaches in the SEC right now who could get away with that, who could pull that, because there's not. There's still a lot of coaches in the SEC right now who are looking to prove that the league is as tough as it used to be. And guess what? It's not. It's not as tough as it used to be. So if we're talking a season from now, two seasons from now, that might not go as far as what it does right now, but like it or not, we are in the hangover stage of the SEC coming away from one of the most dominant runs of any division, any conference in any sport, in any sport, and that still matters. And it's something that you. In order to talk like that, in order to stand up and look at the media and talk about rat poison or in order to do all of that stuff, you got to have done something. And kudos to Danny Canal or whomever else they talk about, these coaches that they talking About. They ain't done nothing. They haven't. Ryan Dake might be able to go up there and say, hey, you know what? This is how hard it is to beat Purdue on a Saturday evening. He might be able to do it. He might be able to have that conversation. But nobody else is going to believe what you selling because you don't have that type of pull. Kirby Smart does.

[Tate]

I mean, I hear what you're saying, but. But I also think. Because voters. The voters on this committee and voters at large and other polls, we live it season to season. Like you're. We're supposed. When you cover this game, you're supposed to be smarter than that. You're not supposed to fall for that shit. Right? Like, then. That's all I'm. That's all I'm saying. And I'm saying if. If you. If you've been charged with weighing the relative merits of each team, you need to be smarter than. Okay, I understand, man. Just because you beat Florida by three points in Jacksonville, it doesn't mean that you prevailed in the Ice Bowl. That's all I'm saying.

[Van Lathan]

I know. I know you're saying that, but at the same time, you're defending Notre Dame being ranked above a team that they lost to. So. So. So for me, it feels like the.

[Joel Anderson]

Eye test is above results, right?

[Van Lathan]

Because the easiest thing to do would be to say, hey, you know what? There's no way that we could have Notre Dame eight spots above a team that they lost to if they have the same amount of losses. It just. That seems counterintuitive to me.

[Tate]

Do you think Notre. Dame. Do you think Miami is better than Notre Dame right now?

[Joel Anderson]

Yes.

[Van Lathan]

Really?

[Joel Anderson]

Yes.

[Tate]

Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

We didn't watch him play.

[Van Lathan]

I have no choice but to think that. Yeah, I do. I do.

[Tate]

I mean, I don't know, man.

[Van Lathan]

It was.

[Tate]

It was so long ago Eric Adams was in the race for mayor. You know what I mean? Like, that's how long ago that we all believe that. You know what I mean? And so it does feel like week.

[Joel Anderson]

One is being washed away. Like they. They have tried to do the best. Like the men in black flash us and make sure we forget that it ever happened. We did see Alabama get rolled, too.

[Tate]

Mike Marvel had turned it all around. Tommy Castellanos is going to be.

[Van Lathan]

You keep saying that, but you're. But you. You're missing other things that have happened here. You're acting as if Notre Dame went on a run and, like a historic run and really proved they've played teams that they are much more talented than. And they've beaten those teams, right?

[Tate]

And they beat their ass. Like, not Boston College, but not Boston College.

[Van Lathan]

Right. And so they've played teams, one of.

[Joel Anderson]

The worst teams in the acc, by the way.

[Van Lathan]

They've played teams that they're much more talented than and they've won. And they. And also something else. There's also another loss in there to another elite, really good team. Not saying that Miami elite are really good. It just seems like they're regular good. They're a regular daddy. It's. But there's another loss in there, so.

[Tate]

I don't see who's the daddy guy, by the way.

[Van Lathan]

Like. Like, I just don't see it. I'm looking at it right now. We can. We can move on. I know. I'm looking at it right now and I see. What do we got wins over? Wins over SC by 10, Boston College.

[Tate]

Good team.

[Van Lathan]

NC State, Boise State.

[Tate]

They beat their ass.

[Van Lathan]

Arkansas.

[Tate]

Those are some ass whippings right there, man.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, yeah, they gave up 30 to Purdue. Right. Like, so I'm. I'm looking at all of this and I'm like, yeah, Notre Dame is a good, solid college football team and they're getting better. But nothing says that. Oh. Oh, my God. They. I don't know. I don't know. It's tough, but it's tough.

[Joel Anderson]

But to go back to the conference propaganda of it all, first time in the CFP rankings history, top six teams come from the top two conferences, right? So we have obviously a situation here where in total, SEC has nine teams, Big Ten has seven, ACC has five, Big 12 has three. But the three for the Big 12 are all in the top 15. And then obviously one independent team, Notre Dame, we talked about that. So the Big 12 is obviously valued over the ACC as well. And it used to be this conversation where, you know, a Miami, a Clemson, a Florida State, they would rise above the acc, the, the conference that would pull them down. But it does seem like since Jordan Travis, the injury, 20, 23, now the ACC kind of hinders everybody in the league. It doesn't matter if you're Miami. It doesn't matter if you're Florida State. It doesn't matter if you're Clemson. It's like you're part of the acc. You're now on the fourth rung. And I think that is sort of the reaction where people are coming back around where they're like, wait a second, are we. If you're in the acc, are you kind of out of the race?

[Tate]

Yeah. I mean, the thing is, if Miami had beaten smu, we wouldn't even be having this. Is this. This talk, right? Like, Miami would probably be a top 10 team. Yeah. Just outside top five. It's just the SMU of it all. And as a TCU alum, I'm. I think it's funny that if you lose to SMU, that people think you stink a little bit more than you probably do. You know, I think that's hilarious. But if I. If I had to vote for this stuff, I'd be like, well, maybe the circumstances here are a little bit different. Like, SMU is not as bad as people think. Miami, this is. You know, I mean, this is really their first time on the road, that. First time playing outside of Florida all year.

[Van Lathan]

You know, it's just. It's. It's crazy. You brought up. When you were talking about Notre Dame, you brought up the fact that you brought up last year. Right. And what'd you say about them? That they were in the.

[Tate]

The defending. Running.

[Joel Anderson]

Defending runner up.

[Van Lathan]

So they're the defending runner up. So that matters. Right? You know SMU was in the playoff last year, right?

[Tate]

Yeah, I know. Well, I did say that. That if I'm Mario with the same quarterback.

[Van Lathan]

Same thing.

[Tate]

If I'm Mario Cristobal. I am talking about that. To people, it's like, hey, by the way, this is in Dallas. Very difficult.

[Joel Anderson]

You're right, Joe. I mean, there's no. There's no propaganda coming from the acc. They don't help themselves at all. If I were them, every single week on Saturday, at the end of the day, after Florida State loses again, I would tweet the highlights of Alabama game. You know what I mean? That's what. I would put that out every single week. Just like. Just in case y' all forgot.

[Tate]

Absolutely. I mean, they just. The thing is they need to learn to dick ride each other like the SEC does.

[Joel Anderson]

Yes.

[Tate]

That's the thing. They don't have. They don't have the cohesiveness. They don't have, like, I got Javan's attention.

[Van Lathan]

It's not that they don't have the co. It's not that they don't have the cohesiveness. They don't have the dick. Like the. I mean, I'm just being for real. They don't. It's not that they don't have the cohesiveness. They don't have the dick.

[Tate]

Okay, so Alabama got more.

[Van Lathan]

The SEC got more. Let's be. The SEC got more, girl. The SEC got more dick. Than the acc, bruh.

[Joel Anderson]

They do.

[Van Lathan]

They got more dick. And I'm sorry, Danny Canal, if you're talking about the SEC got more dick than the acc. The acc, I'm not taking anything away from them. They dick is growing. They going through puberty, like, you know what I mean? But like the SEC right now still got the biggest dick. I don't think that they should. I think the Big Ten actually probably has the biggest cock wagon. But like if you're, if it's, if you're telling me right now the dick riding is different because the dick is different.

[Joel Anderson]

Maybe we do that. Who's got the hammer? It does feel like the Big Ten does with the number one and number two seed, Ohio State, number one, Indiana, number two.

[Van Lathan]

Right.

[Joel Anderson]

And then after the, the rankings come out, this was a nice like kind of back and forth I wanted to get your guys thoughts on. So Booger McFarland, obviously Booger comes out and says he thinks Texas A M should be number one. Reese Davis kind of pushes back on that. Joey Galloway follows it up and says Texas A M is the best analytically. And he says he does. He does not trust the eye test as much as he trusts analytics. So again, he's going to the numbers as opposed to the games itself. That's a slippery slope. We do this in college basketball where it's like Kim Palm is God, who cares what happened on the court? We have to look at Kim Palm and decide our opinions, which is erroneous and ridiculous and it drives me insane. So we don't want college football to get into that world. But it is interesting. Joel, do you think that's true that Texas A and M is actually the best team in college football?

[Tate]

I need Joey to show me his analytics. And not to offend Joey, but I need to see these numbers that he's privy to.

[Joel Anderson]

Did he know SMU was number 38 would be the question.

[Tate]

I don't think he knew. I don't think he knew. And also like SP plus, okay, Ohio State's number one. Do you know Texas A M is not even the set, the top ranked team in Texas. And SP plus like Texas Tech is number four in that rating. The PFF overall grade has.

[Joel Anderson]

See, this is a slippery slope.

[Tate]

I mean, I guess like it says has to count somewhat, but I'm just like, I just need to see your numbers, Joey. That's all I'm saying. I would like, show me your numbers.

[Joel Anderson]

I think it's like math. Show me your work. How'd you get these numbers?

[Tate]

Yeah, Because, I mean, look, I. Again, A and M appears to be very good. They appear to be a very complete team. But let's just, let's just not get carried away, okay? Like, can we just not. I mean, we're reading a lot into that LSU win, right? LSU kind of let go of the rope in the second half. Right. And that. And it led to Brian Kelly getting fired. But I really think that a lot of what people are talking about when it comes to Texas A and M is like, man, you see what they did to lsu, bruh, you know, you know, they won that game. And people forget how the Notre Dame game went, where I thought Notre Dame controlled that game most of the game. Right. But they.

[Joel Anderson]

And we have the holding call. I heard some people saying the committee factored in that call being missed as part of the reason why they kind of value Notre Dame a little bit differently, which I find that a little egregious as well. But, you know, it is what it is.

[Tate]

There's Auburn at home and beat them 16 to 10. Let me get like A and M is a very good team. I'm not trying to diss them. They're not better than Ohio. Like, there's no reason, there's no reason to think they're better than Ohio State.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I don't think the Ohio State thing has very many legs. I just think you can look at the games to me, and Ohio State looks like they're more focused, nasty, physically dominant team than Texas A and M. But like, you know, Texas A and M, there's a holding call. They also made some really catastrophic mistakes for A and M to have a chance to win that game. They were at home in the game. This was a road game. This is in South Bend for Texas A and M on the road. Okay? It's a good win. They won. Factoring. Okay? So, I mean, you can look at Texas A and M schedule. If you're looking at the games. Six point win over Auburn, three point win over Arkansas. Arkansas is a bad college football team. Okay, that could be lsu. They're a bad college football team. Other than this, you know, they beat Florida the way you expect them to be. Florida, Mississippi State, there's a good spread there, dominated the second half in Baton Rouge, all of that stuff. I don't, I think right now, to me, I'm very comfortable with Ohio State at number one. And if not, and if I wasn't, the second team would be Indiana, which I think has been the most consistently dominant, impressive team of any of the teams. That are on the list.

[Joel Anderson]

Was there any argument for Indiana to be number one? I mean, there's obviously been a push for that as well.

[Tate]

Yeah, I mean, I think there absolutely is an argument for, for them to be number one. I wouldn't have had any problem with that. I mean, because the one thing again, and also in PFF, overall grade, Indiana is number one. So Joey, there's some more numbers for you. And they've got Indiana at number one. But if Indiana.

[Joel Anderson]

I think, Joey, Joey went to Ohio State. So I think he's trying to show that he's like, you know, I'm objective here. So he's trying to zag. That's what I, that was my read on the situation. You're trying to zag that. Kind of like Herb street.

[Tate]

Fair enough. Kind of like Herbie, man, we just got him following us again. Don't say anything to fuck that up. Tape.

[Joel Anderson]

All right, so I love the Dogs.

[Tate]

Yeah, the Dogs. I mean, like they, that game in Oregon, they, they were the better team and controlled them. Like, we'll find out how good Oregon is. But like, look what they like Illinois. I have no idea if Illinois is a good team or a bad team or like, you know, probably just an average team. I think. Right. They're just outside of the top 25. They're six and three. They embarrassed them. Like they beat. They beat Illinois so bad that we don't think the same of them anymore. And so, so from what I've seen of Indiana, the way they've played, they've been consistent. If somebody wanted to rank them number one right now, they should, they should be my guests because like, I wouldn't really have an argument against that. They've looked that good and they've got the wins to back it up.

[Van Lathan]

I think Texas is coming around bodes really well for Ohio State. Cause Ohio State pushed Texas around and I wouldn't say they pushed Texas around, but they won that game kind of comfortably, really. Not having their playbook open, like not having, not really having to shift out of third gear to win that game. And they, they won it by, you know, line of scrimmage play, by what they were able to do to Arch. And they didn't really have to push themselves at all to win the game. I know it tightened up a little bit late, but there was never that much doubt about who was going to win that game. Texas has legitimately, when we talk about games and scores, if we were to look up what Texas is going on, the so called most dangerous one loss Team, Two losses. Yeah, but one loss is two losses. Two losses. One loss. You know what you said, Stand by it. The most. The most dangerous one. They really have had to pull out some games. They had to pull out a game against Kentucky, final in overtime. They had to pull out a game against cc, man.

[Tate]

You know, man, you go on the road to Lexington, it's just hard to get a win out there.

[Van Lathan]

It's hard to get a win. Hey, hey, you Wildcats, you say that, but LSU dropped that second game to them. Who was the quarterback that they had at that time, the black kid that was throwing the ball around at Kentucky?

[Tate]

Andre Woodson.

[Van Lathan]

Andre Woodson. Yeah. So you say that, but, like, you know, they can nick you now.

[Tate]

Wilson got to be 40 years old, man.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. I'm just saying, this was back in the day. This was in, like, 2007 now. It wasn't like a couple of years ago. You're talking about it like this is back in the day. But think about it.

[Tate]

He's 41 years old.

[Van Lathan]

They also got Ole Miss last year. Nicked them. Right. It just means more, Joe. Long enough to tell you. But. But.

[Joel Anderson]

Part of the propaganda machine.

[Tate]

I was like, a booster for lsu.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, I believe in it. Motherfucker. But to this point, you could make an argument here that Texas, this team hasn't looked absolutely dominant. But once again, like we've said before, Texas plays Georgia in, what, two weeks? Two weeks they play Georgia at Georgia, week after at Georgia. That game will be a must win for Texas for their playoff hopes. It's on the road at Georgia, and I am ready to go, fired up for it. Okay. All of this stuff will work itself out. We'll see who the big daddies, the little daddies, and the regular daddies are moving forward.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I think that's where we are. Yeah. We got a lot of time. We got a month. You know, we can argue about this, like, at a. At a higher level in about two or three weeks, once we get more data.

[Van Lathan]

But I will say this, though. Last thing I'll say about this is that being ranked at 18 for Miami, the reason why I would be pissed off about that, if I was a Miami fan, the Notre Dame thing, is because it just makes the job that you have to do to close the gap that much harder.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, you're out. I mean. I mean, unless things. Unless things drastically play out different, like, you know, everyone just falls apart in the acc. I mean, they're out. I mean, that's why they should be upset.

[Tate]

Well, yeah. I mean, the thing, them not being able to play in the ACC championship game, which is more than likely what's going to happen because they're behind so many teams. That's really what has got them up. But yeah, like, them being 18, I don't. Will it be more frustrating if they get ranked up at like 12 and they don't play in the ACC championship game? I mean, I, I guess at that point I don't know how many teams the ACC would get, but I just.

[Joel Anderson]

Kind of feel like they're getting one team. That's it.

[Tate]

You think? Yeah, it looks like now they're only getting one team. I don't, man, but I'm not. I don't have them beating Pittsburgh right now, you know, So, I mean, like, let's just see them get through the end of this. And that's the thing everybody said, let's just get through this. See, everybody knows that November is crazy in college football, man. Like, teams get hurt, teams fire their coaches, teams.

[Joel Anderson]

We got rivalry week, right? Cross conference games. Like if Georgia Tech beats Georgia at the end of the season, I mean, that throws everything for a loop. Maybe they're in.

[Tate]

Imagine lasting. If you, if you start at the beginning of last year off and you say, you know what, man, Michigan going to beat Ohio State, bro. You know, like, nobody would have believed it, but that shit just happens, man.

[Joel Anderson]

Could again.

[Tate]

I didn't think.

[Joel Anderson]

My man said they were snake bitten.

[Tate]

That's right.

[Van Lathan]

We gonna see this year. I think we're gonna see pin this. I think we're gonna see Bryce Underwood legacy game. All right, Bryce.

[Joel Anderson]

Larry Ellison love a legacy game.

[Van Lathan]

Underwood. All right. The Ellison Eliminator is what his name is going to be for me.

[Tate]

Ellison Eliminator.

[Van Lathan]

The Ellison Eliminator. He is going to go crazy when they play Ohio State. I think Ohio State, Ohio State better be ready. They better buckle the chin strap, be ready to go because I think that's going to be a bond burner.

[Joel Anderson]

Label it now.

[Tate]

I mean, Bryce Underwood, by the way, on, on, on pace for nine touchdown, nine passing touchdowns this year.

[Van Lathan]

One of the greatest seasons we've seen.

[Tate]

I'm just like, I'm just like, man, I, I kind of expected a little bit more by now.

[Van Lathan]

It doesn't mean that he's, he's a true freshman.

[Tate]

I mean, just. I just thought he would have been a little. I thought he would have gotten a little bit better. I thought that it would just look a little different by now. It hasn't happened. There's still another month to Go. He's still very talented. Again, that's just. That's just more of a Sharon Moore thing. I'm just like, are we ever going to get out of Bryce Underwood, what we should get out of him, or is he gonna have to go somewhere else to get that?

[Joel Anderson]

I wanted to ask you guys this. Would you want to be on this committee? Like, I look at the list of names on this committee. Mark d' Antonio is a random name that's on this committee. Wesley Walls, former Carolina panthers.

[Tate]

Why did Ms. Leslie Walls get on this?

[Joel Anderson]

I have no idea.

[Tate]

Happened.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, that. That's the thing to me that's so shocking about, like, I look at this list and I'm like, jeff Long is on this list, right? There's just such a random assortment of people. Carla Williams, the ada, Virginia. Right. So there's such a strange group, and there's so much pressure to get this right. They don't get paid for this. And you have all this pressure, all these crazy rabid fan bases going at your neck. Like, is it worth it, Van, to be on this committee and make this decision?

[Van Lathan]

This kind of sounds like a job made up of people that would actually agree to do it. For me, this kind of feels like a job that's made up of actually people that you could get to do the job. And we've all known these jobs before. Like somebody that used to work in the office, senior service at your high school, handing out the absentee papers and stuff like that. There was always somebody that wanted to do that.

[Joel Anderson]

And you'd be like, yeah, the hall monitors, right?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Like, you'll be like, why would you want to do that? These people are the hall monitors of college football to me, because I'm sure that there are a bunch of people that they went to to do this that were like, I don't want to do that. Like, Nick Saban gets out of coaching, they go, hey, you know what we should do? We should ask Nick Saban to come be a part of the college football committee. Nick Saban goes, no, I don't want to do that. Right. All types of people that you could name that they could have on it that would be so unimpeachable. We'd be like, yeah, that mother. I'm not saying anything about the bundle fives or any of these people. All these people know the sport, all of that. But I'm just saying the reason why I don't make too much of a big deal about the playoff, the committee is because it kind of seems like that hall monitor job. It seems like the people that are doing it are the people that actually want to.

[Joel Anderson]

And it's kind of fake authority, right? Like a hall monitor. It's like at the end of the day, they have to answer to a larger organization. You got Justin Fuente, former head coach of Memphis in Virginia Tech, who's a part of like the coaching team. They have a coaching team that apparently grinds the tape, gives this committee kind of the, the up to date, like what the trenches look like for these teams and grades them out. So that's also fascinating to think that Justin Fuente has such a say and who the best teams are in college football.

[Tate]

TC's office has never been as good since Justin Fuente stopped being offensive coordinator. But whoo, that. I mean, I saw him play quarterback at Oklahoma in the 90s. Bro, that was, I mean, that was some shit right there, man. And by shit, I mean shitty. I mean it was really, it was bad.

[Van Lathan]

Who did Wesley Walls play for in the league? I feel like I threw touchdown passes to him.

[Joel Anderson]

Panthers.

[Van Lathan]

Panthers, right, the Panthers. Yeah, the Panthers.

[Joel Anderson]

My guy. How do you have a. I think I have a Wesley Wallace jersey. I have a Bianca Batuka for sure.

[Van Lathan]

What era of the Panthers was this? What era?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, this date, like late 90s.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I feel like. Okay, so I might have thrown some. I might have thrown a couple of ties to him in the old versions of the game, you know.

[Tate]

You like playing with Kerry Collins?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, Kerry Collins era. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

So look, I. Cause what we would do at the crib, we would have the Madden games where you would have your team, Right? You'd have your team. My team was the Eagles for a long time until the Saints turned it around. But then we would just play the coin flip game. You do the random selection and then you find a team you could kind of get jiggy with. I could kind of get jiggy with the Panthers a little bit at that time. You know, had a good defense, had a good pass rush. All of that stuff get jiggy with him. You could get jigtastic with the Panthers a little bit. I play with them every. I feel like I threw a couple of tuddies to Wesley Walls, man.

[Tate]

Man, I just, I get, I, no, no, just first of all, shout out Ivan Maisel, who is a legend, you know, I'm saying a guy I, I, I. Whose knowledge I still lean on sometimes for stuff. But man, Wesley. How do you think they got the Wesley? I just would just love to know the path that got them to Wesley Walls, was it like. They tried Tony Gonzalez.

[Joel Anderson]

He was just in Atlanta.

[Tate]

And they were like.

[Joel Anderson]

They're like, is that Wesley Walls?

[Tate]

Yeah, like Antonio Gates. Like, they're just like, well, he didn't even play college football, so we can't get him. So they just started going down the line of title. Yeah, you know what, Tate? That's. That's it. They saw him in Publix. They saw him in Publix. Yeah, in Atlanta. And they're like, man, they were in Buckhead.

[Joel Anderson]

They were like, is that who I think it is?

[Tate]

Yeah. I'm working out. You know, I'm taking my kids. You know, they're in school right now. He's like, man, look, bro, do you. You want to watch some games with us on Saturday? Yeah, and that sounds cool. That's the thing. I'm sure the spread is probably lovely. The situation where you watch the games is good. You get out of town for the weekend, they get you a hotel. I think it's.

[Joel Anderson]

Play a little golf. Yeah, I'm sure they got it all set up.

[Tate]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Shout out to him. I never trusted Ivan in any way, shape or form.

[Tate]

Wow.

[Van Lathan]

There's never been one Ivan I trusted. Every Ivan had. Every Ivan. Ivan Drago. Every Ivan had nefarious. It seems like he's going to either be a Russian contract killer or he's invading Crimea. Like, to me, I'm not. There's never been.

[Joel Anderson]

What if they went by Ivan instead of Ivan? Maybe that could change it.

[Van Lathan]

Maybe Yvonne Robinson, the old. I think he was a welterweight that had some good fights in the early 2000s. Maybe he was cool, but I never knew the Ivan that I trusted. So I'm not. I just. I'm being for real. It's one of those names. It's one of those names. Every time you see him. They up to no good, these Ivans running around here.

[Tate]

No, you make a good point. Cause I'm trying to think of an Ivan that I'm like, I associate with great things now.

[Joel Anderson]

Really? Oh, I got it. Yvonne Rodriguez. He's not an Ivan, he's an Ivon. But Yvonne Rodriguez. Pudge Rodriguez.

[Tate]

Pud up in the old balco.

[Van Lathan]

I was about to say, so did everybody. I know what you're talking about.

[Joel Anderson]

The best catcher I've ever seen.

[Van Lathan]

We talking about trust. We're talking about, you know, all of a sudden, one year, you pop off, you hit.365, 19 million home runs. Yeah, that's 1,015 RBIS.

[Joel Anderson]

Blocking the play for the.

[Van Lathan]

Whipping it to first pick off whipping it to third. Pick off. Don't run on them all. That's cool. But I'm not saying he's the most, like, trustworthy. Ivan. There's some issues.

[Joel Anderson]

Honestly, only eight names came up when I googled good people named Ivan. So give it to.

[Van Lathan]

Give us the names. Give us the names.

[Joel Anderson]

Ivan Reitman, who's the Ghostbusters director. All right. Ivan Iofsky, renowned Russian painter, famous for his seascapes. Ivan Turgenev, a famous 19th century Russian novelist. And preyright playwright. Ivan Lindell, former tennis player.

[Tate]

I find Lindell. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Okay. Yeah, he was all right.

[Joel Anderson]

Apologies. I'm doing tough pronunciations here. Pudge Rodriguez, as I said. And then Ivan Basso, Italian professional bicyclist. There's also Billy. Gil brought this up. Ivan the Terrible. We forgot about Ivan the Terrible. So, like, it is.

[Tate]

That's off on the wrong already, you.

[Van Lathan]

Know, got him wrong.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I don't know many people that have the moniker the Terrible, so. I think you're right, Van. Don't trust the Ivans. But it is funny, like, looking at this committee and the fact that they don't get paid makes me think that payola could be involved. Like, if you're on this committee. I'm just saying. I mean.

[Tate]

You think macro.

[Van Lathan]

You can't just say that.

[Joel Anderson]

I just. I. I think.

[Tate]

Riley, let me ask you this. Corrupt.

[Van Lathan]

So let me ask you this. If payola is involved with the college football committee, which is just a crazy, outlandish thing to say, how much would you have to pay one of these guys? Or gals. If you are, you know, a booster or whatever, what will be the going rate to get your team ranked in the top 12 of the CFP? 250,250.

[Tate]

That's not enough. That's what you might do in prison, dog.

[Joel Anderson]

Prison.

[Tate]

Yeah. I'm sure that there's something. There's some sort of legal statute that prohibits this.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I guess it just. It depends on what you sign and what you're kind of signing up for.

[Tate]

But.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I mean, give me the cam Newton contract. $250,000 in a duffel bag, and, you know, I'll take that. I. I could put Miami number 14.

[Tate]

I'm not to be like this. 50 won't even change your life. It won't even change your life. You can't even buy.

[Joel Anderson]

I know it's not gonna change your life. I'm just saying. All I'm doing is moving a team up.

[Tate]

Like, I need more than that.

[Van Lathan]

Let me tell y'. All something right now that just shows you guys how Joel's been living. Moneybags. Joel, for the last time, there are people all over this country that 250 would change their life, I think.

[Joel Anderson]

250.

[Van Lathan]

What did Pusha say on that? On that song? He's like a half a million and. And hundreds look like a billion where I'm from in Baton Rouge. I know little in Baton Rouge that'll get you out to pay $4,000.

[Tate]

Okay, well, okay, hold on, hold on.

[Van Lathan]

Like, I mean, I'm talking about getting you off the plane.

[Joel Anderson]

Joe's saying, like, you'll go to prison if you take this $250,000.

[Tate]

Yeah, right.

[Joel Anderson]

Saying is that. I don't think it's that much of an implement.

[Tate]

I don't think. Yes. Mike Riley, you got. You like Mike Riley ain't the famous homeboy on the south side of North Baton Rouge. This is just a little different. It's North Baton Rouge, Right?

[Van Lathan]

South Baton Rouge.

[Tate]

Okay. Oh, that's right, because that's what. Oh, McKinley. That's right. I got my book down here. I got the. I told you I got the book. You weren't impressed with it the last time, but whatever.

[Joel Anderson]

Joel's got the book. Yeah. We're not going to do bookkeeping and try to figure out the payola number, but I do think the committee is sort of behind the cloak a little bit, and I feel like just saying their names, pointing out who's on the committee. It gives people a little bit more clarity, and I think that's good for everybody to kind of know who's making these decisions. Are we done? Are there any. Any other thoughts on the CFP rankings? Anything else that we left outstanding or do we feel good? Can we move on to Hugh Freeze? You guys feel good about that?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Come on, let's do it. He's on fire this week. Hugh Freeze. He has been fired. He is done at Auburn. This is the Sunday scaries have continued to hit across college football. We had James Franklin October 12th. We had Billy Napier the 19th. We had Brian Kelly the 26th. And then this past weekend, we get Hugh Freeze. And it was kind of discovered because of his golf tee time on Sunday. So there was a standing tee time at 1:30 at the Auburn Country Club, and it was under his wife's name. It was removed late Saturday night. There was a lot of rumblings as to why that would have happened, and it turns out that was because he was not going to be the head coach anymore at Auburn. So. Hugh Freeze, $16 million to him. Now that he has done as the head coach. Are you shocked, Van, that he is no longer the head coach at Auburn?

[Van Lathan]

No. Auburn has a proud football tradition and they were not going to settle for not being competitive. Especially when Hugh Freeze had been tapped as the coach that was going to restore the competitive nature. Nature, should I say, of Auburn football. I am not surprised at all that they made this move. They just got sick of losing football.

[Joel Anderson]

Games and they got sick of hearing it takes time. We need patience. Right. I mean, just kind of the, the company line for Hugh Freeze was just like that. Just be patient. And you know, nobody wants to hear that in the sec. So, I mean, it did feel like he was a dead man walking for some time. I'm still shocked he got that job in the first place.

[Van Lathan]

Why is that?

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, the blind side can only take you so far.

[Tate]

I really do think that the blind side is why he's been able to have this career, of course, is really taking it off for him. Like, he, he's done a few good things, but like since 2012, he's had just two 10 win seasons. Like I, I kind of expected more from him because like, I'm thinking in Liberty that, you know, they weren't in a, they weren't in a league then. Right. So they were an independent. He helped build that program so that they could get into a league. But like Liberty has so many more resources than most schools that, yeah, they.

[Joel Anderson]

Have so much money. That's the thing. That's why Liberty. I kind of rolled my eyes at him. Like a lot of people could have won with that much money.

[Tate]

He had three, he had three eight win seasons at Liberty and then went 10 and one one year. And I'm just like, okay, you know, like I, I, I think the thing is. So it's, it's that Hugh Freeze had the blind side notoriety, but he beat Nick Saban them two times. Yep. Right. And he got any. And he had that great recruiting class with Kim Diet Robert Kim. Yeah. So like it was like, okay, he's recruiting.

[Joel Anderson]

And who was the other the receiver? Laquan Treadwell. Right? Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. They were all I'll say is Ole Miss was early on nil.

[Tate]

They were all in alignment.

[Van Lathan]

I'm not saying that other teams weren't doing it. I'm just saying that we were all, everybody was around like, look at the recruiting class over there. Ole Miss. And we just looked at each other like, all right, man.

[Tate]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

They said the price of the brick is going up.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But then you have to give him credit, though. You have to give him credit for getting up off the mat after what happened at Ole Miss, rehabilitating his image at Liberty, putting together some teams there that were. That were really good, and then making himself a hot coaching name again. And a lot of people were like, look, he learned his lesson the first time. He showed that he's a good coach and he could come back here to Auburn and really win. And it just never seemed to happen. It never, ever seemed to happen.

[Tate]

Because, I mean, this is the. That's the funny thing about Hugh Freeze.

[Joel Anderson]

We love second chances, you know, in this country.

[Tate]

I look, man, like. And I know some people on that staff and stuff, and whatever, but I mean, dog, Hugh Freeze, man, like, every. It's not like he endured some tragedy, you know what I mean? And then conducted himself above reproach. Because there's plenty of people that work in college football media that will tell you, Hugh Freeze, he will DM you. He will follow up on you, bless your heart, or whatever.

[Van Lathan]

He just.

[Tate]

He is very attuned to the criticism out there on the Internet. And so he's just been kind of a weird guy. And I think that's kind of what Auburn was also like, hey, why do we have weird guy? Like, why do. We're tired of weird guys? Like, let's do something different. Also, I just want to say one thing about that Ole Miss team. Don't forget, people don't talk about how TCU dogged that SEC team 42 to 3 in the Peach bowl that year. No, people don't talk about it enough. But tcu, Travon, Boykin, and we beat the dog shit out of Ole Miss, man. That was the one time we got to play the SEC team that was supposedly so great. Beat that ass. I remember watching that in a Hotel in St. Louis. It was just. I was covering some stuff in Ferguson or whatever, and I was just like, man, we are beating sh.

[Van Lathan]

Why did that sound disgusting? Like, why did. Why did that sound like Joel was in that hotel in St. Louis? Second screening the game in a full goon fest? Why did that sound. I was in a Hotel in St. Louis. I remember scribes watching the game like that.

[Tate]

I had my bags. I was to go to the airport because it wasn't too far from the airport. It's one of them. If you've ever flown into St. Louis before, they got, like, a line of hotels not too far down the street from the hotel. I'm from. From the Airport. And so I was at one of them hotels, so I had my bags right there and I was just really busy. I was on deadline. And I remember looking at the score and it was like, God damn, we'll be. I don't. You know. Oh, you know, I. I mean, Ole Miss. I'm sorry if you. Y'. All. You know what I mean? Like, that's just kind of what it is.

[Van Lathan]

So, just. Just so people know, all time. TCU is 10, 26 and one against the SEC. That's a 28.4 winning percentage.

[Tate]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

And you know what's interesting?

[Tate]

I mean, look how the sec, they always look.

[Joel Anderson]

There were no results.

[Van Lathan]

What do you mean?

[Tate]

What is our record against Texas? Okay, and are they putting. Texas. The Tex.

[Van Lathan]

You brought it up. Hold on for a second. You brought it up.

[Tate]

Miss, you the one defending the Rebels now.

[Van Lathan]

Like, why? Why? Why? You brought it. You brought it up.

[Tate]

Go ahead and ride for the essence.

[Van Lathan]

Okay? Go ahead.

[Tate]

Ride for the essence of college football.

[Van Lathan]

You brought it up. I just thought the people should. I want r. I want all the tailgaters out there to be smart and to know. So it's. That's a good one, though. But it has right here. Oh, misses seven and two all time against. Against tcu.

[Tate]

So that probably was. That probably was pre desegregation, if I had to guess.

[Van Lathan]

It probably was. It probably was pre desegregated.

[Joel Anderson]

I will say the. The Hugh Freeze moment that I still sticks with me was when he was in the hospital bed, you know, and he was up in the coaching booth, and he's given the thumbs up after they win the game. That was an all timer.

[Tate]

That was good, dude, man. Just a weird guy.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man, I do like that he loves golf. I mean, that. That's one thing I gotta. You know, I respect it maybe more.

[Tate]

Than coaching football, but you got to have something outside of the game that you got to hold on to, right? And he obviously had some stuff going on. It's better than him there than out in them streets in Tampa. Because, you know, Tampa, man, you know, you get off of Dale Mabry, man. That's. That's some shit going on down there, bro.

[Van Lathan]

Does he coach again? Does anybody else take a chance on Hugh Freeze? When you think about Hugh Freeze, his career, it's, you know, the Ole Miss situation that Ending sort of in scandal, kind of in disgrace. The rehabilitation of the image at Liberty. Getting another shot at the big time in the SEC with Auburn. Is there any fruit left on the Hugh Freeze tree?

[Tate]

Man, he's 56. He's not as old as I thought he was.

[Van Lathan]

Not that old.

[Tate]

Well, put it this way. If you were rooting for a school, would you want Hugh Freeze to be your head coach? So they say, okay, we're bringing somebody in. We're bringing in Hugh Freeze. I just don't think so, man. I think it's. I think this is it. Maybe some group of six school that really is down on their luck. Like, maybe would UAB be willing to do something like that?

[Van Lathan]

But, yeah, I think you got to. I think you got to go to a school like that.

[Tate]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Probably got to go to a group of four school that's looking for a coach, looking for somebody that can come in, and then he's got to do that whole thing again. Might have to stay there longer now if he's going to get another shot.

[Joel Anderson]

I wouldn't be shocked if, like, Chadwell left Liberty and he went back to Liberty.

[Van Lathan]

Celebrity. Yeah. Hey, I will say this, man. Just coaches out there in college football, man. You know, Stephen A. Smith used to have this refrain that he would use, and he would say, stay off the weed. He would be talking to athletes. You guys remember that? Stephen A. Smith, stay off the weed. Stay off the weed. Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

Had, like, 30s.

[Van Lathan]

Okay? I gotta say something to college football coaches. Stay off the golf. Don't golf no more. You guys can't golf. This golf obsession that everybody that I know that golfs, Tate knows, has an obsession with golf that I've played golf. I like golf. Golf is fun. But when people go golf crazy, it is like crack. It is like, what you doing today, man? Hey, man, would you like to go have lunch with Jennifer Lopez, Halle Berry, like, fucking Salma Hayek, all of the classics of the 90s.

[Tate]

I'm a 52 in that group.

[Van Lathan]

I'm not trying to get in trouble. Like, look, you know what I'm saying? Would you like to go have. And they just gonna talk about all of their favorite bikini scenes that they've done in movies and maybe model. Nah, I can't do that. Why? Got tea time. Debelle early. I'm like, yo, what? Like, everybody obsessed with golf. Brian Kelly golfed his way out of lsu. Hugh Freeze golfed his way. And this doesn't even start to talk about the athletes that we know that went golf crazy and fucked all this shit up. There's a guy from North Carolina that was obsessed with golf. And some people say that maybe that was part of the secret suspension that took him out of the league that he was in For a couple of years, and then he came back and continued to dominate. So what I'm saying is, y' all coaches, please golf responsibly. Y', all. Everything that we hear about Hugh Freeze right now is how he had this insane golfing habit. A standing tee time on Sunday morning. Meanwhile, Auburn is. Is going down the street.

[Joel Anderson]

You got to get rid of the stress somehow.

[Van Lathan]

It's only four hours or. And getting a shit pushed in. This motherfucker is working on his handicap. I'm like, the golfing needs to be monitored. If I was hiring a head coach right now, I would put a golf clause in his contract. No bullshit. I swear. I would limit the amount of golf. And I would do golf testing. You know how they drug test.

[Joel Anderson]

What's the number, Van? How many rounds?

[Van Lathan]

I mean, you tell me. You tell me. You're the golf guy. You tell me what's a responsible amount of golf to play per week to where your team is not going out in your quarterback store. Four picks, because you're not going over the X's and O's with him. Charles Turner said that Brian Kelly never went over X's and O's with him. It's because he was. He was at the Baton Rouge Country Club getting a couple of rounds in, man.

[Joel Anderson]

It depends. It depends how good you are. Also, like, I need to see you play. Like, if you're actually just a hacker out there and you're wasting time, I don't want to hear it. You should have no rounds. I want a good player, man. Like, if you're a good player, then. Then I feel like I. I could. I could give you once a week, but in season in the South, I mean, if you're.

[Tate]

If you're rich, man, you can't even really golf in private, huh? Like, I mean, those country clubs are private, but you still. There are people there that are watching you. You can't just.

[Joel Anderson]

That are fans of the team. Yeah, they're on your ass.

[Tate]

They're watching.

[Van Lathan]

I want to say something. Hey, you guys, do me a favor right now, Right now, do me a favor. Google Hugh Freeze, okay? And then tell me what the first picture in the picture array is. See what I'm saying? Look, he's a football coach. Google Hugh Freeze right now and look at the first picture in the picture array.

[Joel Anderson]

I got a whole stage of him playing golf.

[Van Lathan]

Look at him. Look, it's Hugh Freeze with a driver looking at the whole shit. The Auburn shit is second. Like, I'm telling you, man, the golf is killing college Football. Stay away from the golf, man.

[Tate]

Man, I need to find out if golf feels that good, man. I mean, because you know how I don't like. Well, you know, actually, I said it's like how heroin. People talk about heroin or whatever and how good it feels. It was like, man, the way people chase golf. I'm just like, man, maybe I never need to play it because, no, they.

[Joel Anderson]

They say it's chasing the dragon. Yeah, that's what people say all the time. You're chasing the dragon. But, yeah, he's got a good golf swing, so I feel like Hugh Freeze. He could get at least one round in. Like, if you could play fine with one. But once fall hits and it's cold, like, go to. Go to the film study, you know, with this.

[Tate]

Yeah, I mean, I just. Like, I kind of. Whenever you get a job that you really want and that you want to succeed in, and you want people to think that you care about, one thing that you try to do is just stop doing the shit that, you know is kind of questionable. Like, I would not come on camera and, like, light up in front of y', all, you know, I mean, just be like, yeah, I want these people to take me seriously. I don't want anybody to think that I'm not, you know, about my. When it comes to work, I just. Yeah, I mean, you would think that these guys could just be like, you know what, for these four or five months, I'm already busy. Like, why don't I just stay away?

[Joel Anderson]

I'm just saying, in season, he doesn't need to play. He doesn't need to play.

[Van Lathan]

You know what. What? Just. What happened to hoes? It's easy. Like, what happened?

[Joel Anderson]

I think hoes might be worse. Golf is the replacement for the hoes.

[Van Lathan]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joel Anderson]

This is what you go from hoes to holes.

[Van Lathan]

That's what the.

[Joel Anderson]

But you got some L's in between.

[Van Lathan]

That's the problem. Too many get dirty. Tate. I knew it was gonna happen. Bill said it wouldn't happen. I told Bill. Bill said that Tate could not be corrupted. I said, man, we'll have tape in one season, me and Joe. I said, we'll have Tate in one season, man.

[Joel Anderson]

I've already come back on the other side. I went to the dark side of the moon. I lived in LA for 10 years. Had a great time. Warehouse parties, all the. All. Everything. Did it all, seen it all came back.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, shit.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Tate]

What kind of comeback?

[Van Lathan]

What the fuck?

[Joel Anderson]

See, my mom's not listening. Now we're good.

[Van Lathan]

Nah, nah. She said she back. What would go on at these warehouse parties, Tay? Tell me how they rolling.

[Joel Anderson]

House music and good VI vibes. You know what?

[Van Lathan]

I was. Tate, you on that? Tate, you was on that.

[Tate]

Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, we have good time.

[Van Lathan]

Tate, drop.

[Joel Anderson]

I used to be outside.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, hey, Billy, pop in real quick.

[Joel Anderson]

Can Billy pop in love, you know?

[Van Lathan]

Oh, Tate got pictures. Yeah, Tate got a girl. Billy. What's up? Billy, pop in real quick. Billy. Like, guys, it's Billy Gill, everyone.

[Joel Anderson]

Billy Gill in the place to be.

[Van Lathan]

Billy.

[Joel Anderson]

Hey, guys, what's up?

[Van Lathan]

Billy got the Sims jersey in the back. Billy, did you. Did you know Tate? How long have you known Tate? Have you known Tate for a while?

[Joel Anderson]

No.

[Van Lathan]

You didn't know?

[Joel Anderson]

Weeks.

[Van Lathan]

A couple of weeks. Did you hear about him in his warehouse party stage? Did that make it down to South Florida with Tate? I know you've heard of him before, but did you hear about anything about Tate?

[Joel Anderson]

I keep my private life private. Yeah, he does a good job of keeping it private.

[Tate]

I didn't even know he had a girl, man. Tate, man. You gonna post it or something, man? I mean.

[Van Lathan]

What's up?

[Joel Anderson]

We're posted. You're looking to follow Joel or. What are we doing here?

[Van Lathan]

What the. You're trying to see this, man? Girl, bro. We're gonna talk about that later.

[Tate]

Not to be a creep, I just. I just. I'm surprised that I missed it.

[Van Lathan]

I just.

[Tate]

I'm surprised. I wouldn't know. I would have been like, okay, take that. No, but I'm thinking, don't corrupt me.

[Joel Anderson]

Listen to Bill. We need Bill to. To believe, you know. Why'd you go back inside? Because, you know, you go outside, you have a good time. You know, you get home at 6am a few times in your life, and you're like, you know, what's even out there? Not too much. You have good times. 6:00am the good times don't last.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, shit. I really didn't know this side of you.

[Tate]

I really.

[Van Lathan]

Have you ever taken illegal drugs?

[Joel Anderson]

No. I'm a good guy.

[Van Lathan]

You've never once in life. So you were at a. So you tell me. You mean. Tell me you sick. You were at a warehouse party all night long till six in the morning, totally sober.

[Tate]

Were you trying to profile him on coke? Van? Is that what this was?

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, I'm not a. I'm not a coke guy. I'm a.

[Tate]

The warehouse.

[Van Lathan]

Actually. Actually, that. Now that we have Billy on South Florida.

[Tate]

Oh, South Florida Billy, have you ever done coke?

[Joel Anderson]

I sell it. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

The Fuck, I'm talking about Billy. Look at the size of that room.

[Tate]

That's what we needed in this month.

[Van Lathan]

You think that Meadowlark could pay for that? Nah, you gotta be doing some shit on the. On the. On the. On the. On the. On the outside.

[Joel Anderson]

As we said, the brick is going up. Tate, what are your. What are your top five drugs that you do? Let's do a ranking. You know, I don't have a top five.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. I mean, while we're here and Billy's here, let's just all talk about. Nah, we can't do that. We gotta get back to college football. Gotta get back to college football.

[Joel Anderson]

Man, oh, man. Let's do it. Billy, do you have any thoughts on the cfp? Do you learn anything from the cfp? So I. I looked up what the BCS would be as opposed to, like, the cfp. I feel like this committee just looked at what the BCS would be because there was only, like, one slot in, like, the top 13 that was different than what they did. And then I was wondering, what do they get paid for this? And it's just expensive, which seems like that's very much the gray area, because, like, who is these expenses exactly. You know, I feel like.

[Tate]

Could you.

[Joel Anderson]

You fly first class? Do you do a private jet? Are you a coach person? Like, if no one's paying attention, you could expense anything.

[Van Lathan]

So the payola then is not a direct payment. It's in the gifts and the perks.

[Joel Anderson]

I think that's how you sneak it by, Right? Yeah.

[Tate]

Start telling people to continue to take a private flight. Right. Like, you're not. You're not going to be going through, you know, to security checkpoint in dfw.

[Van Lathan]

You're out your mind. You think I'm gonna have Miami fans yelling at me for six months to fly in the back of the plane or not? Get me out there, like, first class. Maybe Delta One. I would. I would settle for get me out there first.

[Joel Anderson]

They're in Atlanta, so they got Delta 1 flights.

[Van Lathan]

And by the way. And they also got. Well, like, one of the best four seasons in Atlanta out there. I love it out there. It's a great Four Seasons. Got a whole big spa.

[Tate]

Talking about money bags. You stayed in Four Seasons for what?

[Van Lathan]

I said the Four Seasons all the time, my brother. I don't know.

[Tate]

See, man.

[Van Lathan]

Dog.

[Tate]

Okay. Oh, I'm money bags. I'm money bags. I stay at the Four Seasons all the time. Okay, O.J.

[Van Lathan]

But, but, but when I. But it was funny because we was at the Atlanta Four Seasons. Shout out to my manager, Arande Garrett. We at the Atlanta Four Seasons and we standing there, we having fun. We. We feel like we safe. God runs in the Four Seasons. Yo, they just check my car right outside. I was like, outside the Four Seasons? That's too much, brother. We gotta. We gotta. Atlanta, we gotta chill.

[Joel Anderson]

Ivan's on a first class flight. That's for sure.

[Van Lathan]

For sure.

[Tate]

Yeah, man. Yeah, I gotta. I can ask him. I'm gonna. I'm actually gonna ask him about that. I'm text him after the show.

[Joel Anderson]

So we. We got Paola on one side of it, we got plagiarism on the other side. Billy Gill says that they copied the BCS ranking. So we are calling out the committee, which is good. I think that's good for the show. We need to do that. You know what I mean? Keep them honest. An exasperated response from Van Lath. And we love to see it. Speaking of exasperated responses, overreaction of the week. Dabo Sweeney calls out. Officials here. Yeah, come on. Holding officials accountable. This is from Dabo Sweeney. The press conference. We had the clip here. We'll run the clip and then we'll come back and we'll talk about it. Here you go. Three, two, one. Dabo Sweeney.

[Van Lathan]

In the meantime, we got gambling issues going on, people being suspended, all that.

[Tate]

Kind of stuff, right?

[Van Lathan]

Yep.

[Tate]

I mean, refs are people too.

[Van Lathan]

It ain't just coaches and players.

[Tate]

And if they're a part of the game, then, by God, they ought to.

[Van Lathan]

Be a part of the game and they ought to be a part of the accountability and they ought to be.

[Tate]

A part of the consequences.

[Van Lathan]

Not just behind some shadowy curtain like. No, they ought to have to answer for it.

[Joel Anderson]

You heard him there. He said, we got gambling issues. Gambling issues going on, people being suspended. There seems to be like an angle here from Dabo to say that the officials are in on the game, that something could be a little bit amiss here. Van, are you buying this from Dabo or is this sour grapes?

[Van Lathan]

This is one of the worst, most bullshit things that I've seen. I'm serious. I'm serious, man. This is one of the worst, most bullshit things that I've seen. And I've seen a lot of people try to get out of shit by bringing up other shit.

[Tate]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

Like a lot of people trying to get us. I was in a situation back in the day. One of my homies, girls came over to the house. Some girls over there in the whole nine. I remember hearing them downstairs and him going, remember when you forgot my mother's birthday. And I'm upstairs thinking, brother, please, please respect her. Respect her by not trying that. That's what Dabble Sweeney is doing right now. Dabo Sweeney is going to mission impossible level conspiracy theories to avoid talking about the fact that it has been a disastrous season in Clemson. Disastrous. So much so that Clemson is not even a relevant topic in college football. You cannot discuss Clemson. There's nothing to talk about. You're not talking about Kate Klupnick. You're not talking about Bryant Wesco. You're not talking about any of the talent that exists on there, the talent along the defensive line. You haven't heard a name, haven't heard a peep. I'm sure all of those guys will still go to the combine, go to the league, get paid, get their money and hope the best for them. But this is the only thing that Dabo Sweeney seems to be able to do at this point right now to get us talking about him to get Clemson into even a show like this. And to me, it is out of nowhere. It is irresponsible, and it is completely ridiculous.

[Tate]

Yeah, I mean, I got a. What's. Okay, I agree with Dabo in theory, because the way coaching stability works, the way people talk about you when you lose games, you know, people, you. You could be fighting for your job season to season, a week to week, depending on where you are. And like, one. One bad call can be the difference between preparing for the playoffs or collecting a buyout check. Okay, I mean, look, I mean, to.

[Joel Anderson]

Go back to Hugh Freeze, though, I mean, Kirby Smart saying he clapped when he hit a timeout. You know what I mean? Like, that could change your whole season.

[Tate]

Hugh Freeze could argue that he lost his job because of a couple of horrendous officiating errors this year. Like, he. They literally flipped the game in Oklahoma and Georgia. But to Vance Point, like, be better than this, bro. Yeah, I think my biggest. My biggest.

[Joel Anderson]

Never blame the refs.

[Tate]

People in our society need to learn how to lose, man. People need to be able to just take a L, man. Like, there's ways to address this, right? And I know that it hurts. I know that it probably was embarrassing to get beat by Duke in the fall of the three and five. Daibo probably has not felt like this in a long time.

[Joel Anderson]

And there. There were some tough calls in that game. Like, if you go back, he said there were 14 calls that he wanted to send in. He sent in 10 of the 14. But, I mean, it is what it is model.

[Tate]

We need to model, you know, like a healthy respect for the process in like losing. Right. You know, in sports, like, if you compete, sometimes shit is going to go against you and the calls are going to go against you. And you know what? That's just sometimes the breaks in the game and there are avenues to address that stuff. But like, I just feel like we're increasingly modeling like ass behavior to the younger generations. Like, just like, you know, people complaining about the L or complaining about nil discrepancies or they don't refuse to concede, like, take that. So I remember, and this is not an interesting story, but I'm going to say it anyway. I lost a seventh grade basketball game, okay? It was T.H. rogers versus Johnson Middle School. This is in Houston. And we lost by a point. My guy, Andrew Shoppe got fouled on his jump shot at the end. That would have tied it up. And like my coat, not my coach, but some of the players and some of the parents ran up on the refs and going after him and everything. And I just, it took me a long time to respect all them people again. I'm like, bro, like, just get. I mean, you know, like, this hurts the loss, but I, I would immediately go to. This is where I up. This is why we're in the position that we lost. Not running up on the ref who, you know, as a human, you know that they're going to make mistakes. That's just kind of in the breaks of the game. So, I mean, yeah, I guess, you know, like I said, I'm kind of with dabo. I get it. But like, just model something different to your team, man, and to the younger generation. Learn how to take the L. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

We'Ve lost sportsmanship and rule number 76, no excuses, play like a champion. You know, it all comes back to that dabo. That's not acting like a champion, that's acting like a sore loser.

[Van Lathan]

So, I mean, it's. It's classic, classic coach spin. But it's coach spin in a way that insinuates something so very nefarious and very nefarious that you just gotta be better than that, man. Dabo's crashing out. That's a crash out. I mean, that's. That's a crash out.

[Joel Anderson]

That is a crash out.

[Tate]

Yeah, it's not. Yeah. You're not even saying. You're not even saying, oh, that was a bad call. You're saying, no, these dudes were so bad that it must be something underhanded that's going on here. They're willing to take money to fuck us up. Because. Because look at the calls.

[Joel Anderson]

You know that I joked about payola. Dabo basically said that there is payola. I mean, really?

[Tate]

He did. I mean, he did.

[Van Lathan]

No, but us joking about it on this podcast was one thing. But a college football coach with the stature of Dabo Sweeney saying that in light of all the things that we're seeing, some of the betting stuff that we're seeing around sports, some of the other stuff that we're seeing, it's just, it's opening up a conversation that if you're gonna say something like that, you better damn well have evidence of it or reason to say it. Or if not, it is a really putrid and irresponsible distraction from what your team is going through. It's just facts.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, irresponsible is the right word. It was very strange. But again, crashing out, you lose some of your, you know, your best senses there. So a tough look for Dabo. We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, we're going to do best games of week 11, our favorite other matchups, and we'll do a little big van on campus. We'll be right back after the break. Ring your tailgate is brought to you by FanDuel. Ready to fire up your Saturday's FanDuel's got a boost you don't want to miss. It's called boosting with the boys and it's giving everyone a college football profit boost every single week. And here's how it works. Each week we're giving everyone a profit boost to use on college football. No invite only nonsense. Everyone gets the boost. We're talking real games, real teams, real Saturdays with an extra payout on the line. It's easy, it's fun, and it's only on FanDuel. Go to FanDuel.com Tailgate to download the app and get in on all the action. Must be 21 or older and President. Select states are 18 and older in President D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. Opt in required bonus issued as non withdrawable profit boost tokens. Restrictions apply including any token expiration and max wager amount. See [e-mail] gambling problem. Call 1-800-gambler or visit rg-help.com call 1-887-897777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut. All right, we're back. Ring your tailgate. Biggest games of week 11. That's right. We've made it to week 11. We got number eight, BYU. At number nine, Texas Tech. As predicted by Joel Anderson. He said college game day should go to Lubbock. He was correct. They are going to Lubbock. We got number three, Texas A&M. At number 19, Mizzou. And we also got LSU their first game back post Brian Kelly at number four, Alabama. So of those three games, Van, which one sticks out to you the most?

[Van Lathan]

I think I'm gonna go with byu. No.

[Joel Anderson]

I just like doing this every single time.

[Van Lathan]

Response locked on Tigers. I want to see the receipts. Response, man. This game against Alabama is not about the final score. It's not. This game is a test of culture. It's a test of resilience. We are coming off of a buy. The entire town is burning. I just got a text from an LSU guy and it says, van, this is not good. Talking about the inner workings of of what's happening in the upper echelons of the administration and the Louisiana government regarding this coaching search, the hire of our new president, all of that stuff.

[Joel Anderson]

New AD as well.

[Van Lathan]

New ad. None of that stuff can be controlled. None of it. None of it can be controlled. The only people that have any control over how this fan base feels right now are the LSU Tigers themselves. They can control it. They can go out on the field, they can win, they can perform, they can play hard. They can play with passion and desire and effort. Everything else is dick measuring from the governor. It's posturing from the uppers in Louisiana. It's a bunch of stuff that people can't even connect to. The one thing that we can connect to is what happens on the field on Saturday. And I want to see how they responds, how they respond. I want to see what Frank Wilson has put in these boys head that gets them ready to go out there and play some football. And I'm telling you right now, I have a gut feeling that you are going to see an inspired LSU Tigers effort on Saturday. I do not know what's going to happen, but this is one of the biggest, most interesting games in recent memory for the LSU Tigers. I cannot wait.

[Tate]

Wow.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm kind of buying it too. I feel like they're going to send a message to Brian Kelly. I feel like that team's going to galvanize together. I'm not saying they're going to win the game, but I think they're going to show an inspired effort in that game.

[Tate]

Yeah, Van, you kind of sold me, man. Because, you know, I also kind of think, I mean, Bama is a good team, right? They're not overwhelming or anything. Right. Like, LSU doesn't look on that other sideline, say, oh, there's no way we can stay with those dudes. Like, LSU has all the talent, all the potential. All their losses make sense, too. Right. It's not like they lost anybody crazy. Like, they lost to the number three, to number six and the number 16 team in the country. Like, shit happens. So I don't. I think if people read too much into them letting go of the rope against A and M in the second half, that. That doesn't say everything about this team that is there and on that roster. So, yeah, I actually was kind of. It's not like I'm. I'm not necessarily picking an upset, but I was like, I could very easily see LSU going to Tuscaloosa and making them have to fight for it all night long. And it's better than having to play at home, where it's like, if shit starts to go wrong, people.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, right. Where you have the pressure of your own fans. Like, they have. Nobody believes in them to use a Bill Simmons trope there. And they basically go to a team that doesn't really want to see them. You know what I mean? Like, you don't want to see, like, a hurt tiger. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Wounded tiger. Yeah. We'll see what happens, man. But I'm excited. I'm excited for what the boys are going to be able to muster up.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I like that. Call BYU, Texas Tech, the Big 12 showdown. Trying to figure out who the best team is in the Big 12. Joel, you're our Big 12 expert. What do you expect to see in this game? Obviously, Texas Tech beat Utah earlier, so they're trying to handle the other team in Utah this weekend.

[Tate]

I know, man. I wish we could go to this game, man.

[Joel Anderson]

It'd be a good game.

[Tate]

Go, you know, see that big blue open sky. But, man, I think the thing that with the game, we're going to be able to tell. So BYU has a true freshman, Bear Bachmire. He's done a lot more than anybody should reasonably expect.

[Joel Anderson]

Most famous 47 since Michael Irvin. Probably right.

[Tate]

Oh, that's a man. That's probably right. Yeah. I can't even think.

[Joel Anderson]

I can't think of another 47. Yeah.

[Tate]

It's such an ugly. The 40 numbers are so ugly, man. Like, I just. You just would not prefer to not wear those. But. So Bachmire has gotten better. Right? Like when they beat, when they wanted Iowa State a couple weeks ago. I mean, he threw for 300, ran for 50 had three touchdowns. It's just a whole nother matter to pull that off against Texas Tech, okay, that defense. So, Joey Galloway, these are the numbers that I've got, you know what I'm saying? To talk about Texas Tech, they've got the top ranked defense according to pfft. They've got the third ranked defense according to espn. Stop rate. So point empirically. This is possibly the best football defense in college football right here. The Bear Bogmeyer's got to face at Lubbock. So I don't know, man, like that is that. That's going to be the challenge there. And look, they are getting back that little running back, L.J. martin. He's one of the nation's leading rushers. He reports that he practiced this week and he's looking all right and he's in line to play, so that's great. But man, if, if Bear Bachmeyer can't hold up under that Texas Tech pass rush, maybe the best defensive player in the country, David Bailey, who came from Stanford in the Portal 50, leads the nation with 55 pressures and 12 sacks. That's going to be, that's going to be something to watch. And I mean, man, also, like, just to see Texas Tech in Lubbock live, man, like the Jones Stadium joint, man, like I don't know if people remember the Michael Crabtree game from almost 20 years ago.

[Joel Anderson]

So good.

[Tate]

I remember it so dreamed it in my head. Game, right? Like Mike Leech, great times lover's gonna be turned, man. That's gonna be a fun little environment. So, yeah, I, I'm, I'm, I'm really looking forward to that one. And you know, BYU wins that one, man. And I mean, you know, they've really got something. I think they got a lot to prove, but that's, that's if they can get through that environment, that will really say something for them.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, BYU is going to be, you know, they think they got disrespected in the rankings, so this is the perfect opportunity for them to send a statement, send a message. But again, I think Texas Tech is the best team in the Big 12. So we'll see this weekend. Favorite other matchup on the board. On the board. Van, what else do you like out there?

[Van Lathan]

Other matchups. So look, I. Indiana, Penn State. Look, here's the deal. Let me tell you why I keep doing the Penn State thing. It just Penn State getting swacked everywhere that they go. It's still interesting to me. It's still interesting to me. Obviously, they've had some Big losses. They don't have Drew Aller. There's a couple other guys there that seem to have been shut down on the team. I just keep waiting for Penn State to really be in a game where they remind people, show some pride of the amount of talent that was consolidated on the team. Indiana is going into Penn State, they must feel like they bout to whop something, you know what I mean? But there is something there in Penn State. There's culture and history and tradition and a lot of players on that team that can play. I keep waiting for them to make to give somebody a good scare. And every time it's them versus one of these traditional powers or not traditional powers, one of these current college football powers in Indiana, I'm going to watch the game. And Indiana is still a team that every single time they are, they're on the field, they're adding to their reputation. Another game we didn't talk about but Texas A and M and Missouri, man, it would be great for Missouri to peel off one of these games, man, like it would be great for Missouri once again they have a chance at home in front of their fans in Como to get a win that says we are a program to be reckoned with. Not just a really well coached program, but a program that can, if you come down here, you're in trouble. They've been right there in a couple of games. So I'm interested in watching that one as well.

[Joel Anderson]

I like it. That'll be a good game, Joe. Go ahead.

[Tate]

Yeah, well, I was going to say, well, I mean again, it's also sort of the narrative of the Aggies, man. You know, like we get we would the number three in the country.

[Joel Anderson]

We're waiting for the other shoe to drop every single week, right?

[Tate]

Everybody is just kind of like, ah, this, this is going to be their time. The only thing that I think that's going to help them here is that Mizzou is going to be having to adjust to life without Bo Pe, the quarterback who's out for the rest of the season. They got a true freshman, four star recruit, Matt Zollers who's going to be there. I don't know how he'll hold up under that pass rush from Cassius Howell in there. But you know, yeah, it's another one of those things. I'm like, if A and M handles business here, that's just another way of rewriting the story of that program. Program, because that's in the past. This is a game they would lose. There's a reason that they've not been 90 in almost 50 years, you know what I mean? Or actually 70 years. So I would like to see that. But the other, the other game that I'm looking at is Tulane and Memphis, which is for all intents and purposes, bro, the loser of that game is probably eliminated from the AAC championship game and then almost certainly playoff consideration. Right.

[Joel Anderson]

Right now Memphis is in, but they're not ranked in the top 25. So it is very interesting, right?

[Tate]

You got to think that the American champ is probably going to be the team that gets the group of six birth into the playoffs. And so if Tulane loses this one, they're out of it. If Memphis lose it, they're probably out of it too. You know, it's just, you know, Tulane's coach, John Sumrall, his name is being mentioned in all these jobs. The Auburn job, the Arkansas job, the LSU job. I don't. Van, would you want John Sumrall?

[Van Lathan]

I like John Summerall as a coach. I like him. I don't know. I mean, I like what he's done. I'm not going to let ill timed loss when people are talking about him put me off that. But I like what he's done. I wouldn't be mad at it.

[Tate]

Okay. All right. Well, I mean, to the point that loss. I watched that game against UTSA the other week and they looked pretty bad. Like I just.

[Van Lathan]

They did, you know, they did well.

[Joel Anderson]

They opened the game up with that opening drive and they look great and then it just felt like they fell apart. Yeah, it was a very strange game.

[Tate]

Yeah, I mean, they got their ass beat by one of the McCown kids, you know, so. Owen McCown. So. Yeah, I, So I'm, I'll be interested to see how they recover from this. I think Tulane is still a really good team, but man, you know, Memphis, Memphis, Memphis, Memphis, Memphis, you know, nothing but Memphis, you know, so yeah, I want to see the game at the Liberty.

[Van Lathan]

Do you know that nobody said Florida State at Clemson.

[Tate]

Damn.

[Van Lathan]

What type of like that should have.

[Joel Anderson]

Been the game this week.

[Van Lathan]

That should have been the game this week.

[Tate]

They ruined it, man.

[Van Lathan]

That should have been the game this week. Not one person said Florida State at Clemson. And who would have thought that a. Before the season, but particularly after week one, even though Clemson lost to lsu, that game was still competitive enough to where people thought, okay, Clemson's going to right the ship and get going and then this game is going to be a game of note and merit by the time things shake out. But now it's another ACC slate. That game in the ACC slate that people will be flipping around. It's just. It's. It's crazy.

[Tate]

I'm not kind of bullshitting. This game is kind of for, like, bowl eligibility. Like, they actually.

[Joel Anderson]

Right.

[Tate]

You know.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah. That really is. I also want to circle. I said last week, NC State, Georgia Tech, obviously, NC State upsets Georgia Tech as they're prone to do. This week, I'll circle another one. Wake Forest at Virginia, I would just, you know, that's another game where the ACC eats itself. You know what I mean? Or if Virginia loses that game, to wake up and they cannibalize each other yet again. You know, that's just kind of the story of the ACC at this point. Nobody can figure it out.

[Tate]

Coach White, if you lose, be like, well, look, man, you come out here and play Wake Forest on a Saturday night, man, it's very tough.

[Joel Anderson]

That's what I would say.

[Van Lathan]

Program.

[Joel Anderson]

I'd be like, jake Dickert's a heck of a coach.

[Tate]

Jake Dickert's a heck of a coach. He's got a roster here, you know, So, I mean, you know, come through.

[Joel Anderson]

Here and then start bringing out some facts, like, wait for us at night.

[Tate]

Wake Valley, Virginia.

[Joel Anderson]

It's at Virginia.

[Tate]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Damn, my bad. Virginia. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

But also, Virginia killed Florida State season at night.

[Van Lathan]

They did. Remember, I just said, you know, the season's got so many different lives, man. Tommy. Remember Tommy Castellano? Remember him?

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, man, he's still good.

[Tate]

He was gonna be at a Heisman, man.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, he's doing his job.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, he can play. He can play. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tate]

He ain't as good. They just. It just didn't all curl all the way over. Like, we just thought it was going to, like. I thought we. I thought, like, Tommy Castellanos was, like, not Michael Vick, but, you know, like just a real good simulation that I was like, okay, he's a really talented kid. He's really fast. Alabama can't get a beat on him. And now it's just like, wow, that game's going to be on the cw, man.

[Joel Anderson]

I think when they beat Alabama, they thought they were going to roll in the acc, and then they got hit in the mouth, and then they were like, oh, we're not as good as we thought, and they lost confidence, you know, and they haven't been able to find it back. And, you know, maybe if they lose that game to Alabama in a close one, they have a better season in the acc.

[Tate]

But you think that I really do think that. I also think the expectations would be totally different, too. Right. All right. Y' all were 2 and 10 last year. So you're. You're. You're. You're rebuilding, you're building back up.

[Joel Anderson]

You win eight games. That's a good season. You're moving in the right direction. Mike Norvell is not going to get fired. All right, let's do it. Van. Big van on campus. What do you got this week?

[Van Lathan]

So Florida played Georgia last week. Cocktail party game. Good game. Florida came to play. Good game. Fan bases, if you're fun fan bases. Good game. There's one person in that game that should have a bone to pick with the ESPN crew that called the game, and that is receiver J. Michael Sturtevant, who plays for Florida. He's a wide out for the Gators. Now, they weren't. They weren't unfair to him in the game. They didn't miss call some play that he made a catch that he should have made or anything like that. And it wasn't a particularly prolific game from him. He had two catches for 21 yards. Why was the broadcast talking about him at one point when he was sitting on the sideline? That's because his sister is a killer.

[Tate]

I was gonna say. I know why.

[Van Lathan]

His sister's name is Camille Studevent and she is a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader. Now, I'm not gonna do a whole Jason Whitlock thing here, okay?

[Tate]

Are you gonna talk about peanut butter?

[Joel Anderson]

Peanut butter?

[Van Lathan]

If I did, it would be warranted. See? Cause we didn't know who she was before the game. But then they put her Instagram on the screen.

[Joel Anderson]

That's so foul.

[Van Lathan]

And it was. Oh, Dada. Daddy, Daddy, daddy. Okay. Of course we went to the Instagram. We went. We went to the Instagram. You don't have to worry about me.

[Joel Anderson]

You debated.

[Van Lathan]

I'm not in the. I'm not out there like that. I'm not in the game like that. You have to worry about me. But if I'm J. Michael, I'm worried about more than just my future now. I'm worried about future. Now I'm worried about. I mean, his sister now, Camille, she gonna be on stage at the Breezy Bowl. Like, this is different. And they did all of this stuff, everybody. And she looks wholesome, too. I went to the Instagram, and she has as wholesome an Instagram as a beautiful, sexy lady can. Cause it's sexy, but it's wholesome. It's like she had some bikini photos, Dallas Cowboy cheerleader photos, but also photos with the family. It's the full gamut of. She is hot. And I was on there because the broadcast put him and then his sister, her in her Dallas Cowboy cheerleader's uniform.

[Joel Anderson]

It was cold.

[Van Lathan]

And then her Instagram handle under it, it's like they kind of served this man's sister up. She's like, if you go there, she's like a perfect. Guys ever heard of a Proverbs 31 woman? Like, you know, like, you see, you guys heard of that? Elegant, Elegant, all of that. But now, guess what?

[Joel Anderson]

Church on Sundays.

[Van Lathan]

Satan's temptation has been unleashed on the start of that family. It's been unleashed.

[Tate]

I don't know, man.

[Van Lathan]

And not just. And not just from the rappers. Not just from the rappers. You gotta think about the teammates here.

[Tate]

Well, that's, that's kinda. I don't want my teammates to know though.

[Van Lathan]

That's the thing, man. There's no place on earth then that having a fly sister is more of a liability than in the locker room. Some of these guys gonna be in the league next year. They choosing up now. It's different. I'm sure they knew about the sister, but the broadcast and showing her up there. Dallas Cowboys cheerleader, that's a prize. And the broadcast just went, look at the prize. I don't understand the purpose of doing this on the broadcast. I do not understand why it was done. I get it. It's an interesting story, but you don't need the ig.

[Joel Anderson]

Nobody needs.

[Van Lathan]

The sister is fine. And then putting the IG up there, I don't understand why it happened now. And. And if I'm J. Michael, I'm like. And he's sitting on a bench, they're in a really competitive game and like. And it's like they put us. I'm like, what the is going on?

[Tate]

Well, wait a minute. I mean, do you think it's possible that they were just like, well, look, they got these pregame meetings or whatever? Because I'm just trying to figure out how did you get down to this data point, right? Like, how did you get down? So I'm looking up some information about J. Michael Sturt event. Okay? You go through the bio. You know, I think he was at UCLA once upon a time. And then you get to the bottom and like, oh, sister. Okay, Like, I mean, like, how. And then they just knew to bring that up because, like, don't you have to discuss that?

[Joel Anderson]

Is she on the Cowboys?

[Tate]

You post somebody's Instagram on national TV without their permission Right.

[Joel Anderson]

The only thing I can think about is that she's on the TV show, the. I don't watch that TV show, the Cowboys cheerleader show. That's on Netflix. That's the only thing I thought that made it above board at some level, you know what I mean? Where they're like, she's a star. She's a reality TV star. So, like, she wants IG out there. She is.

[Van Lathan]

It says, meet Camille Sturtevent, star of the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleader Netflix doc. So she is the star of the doc, and she is talking about. There's a lot of. She got a lot of story out there about her beautiful, talented lady looking like. But. And they put her. And I'm just looking at him. I'm like, God damn. When is going to be my time if I'm J. Michael Certevent? I'm like. I'm like, what are y' all doing? You look. This is a beautiful lady. I'm about to go look at some of the comments and see, like, who's in the comments right now.

[Tate]

You could easily have her on Higher Learning. I mean, I feel like her and Rachel could have a good conversation about.

[Joel Anderson]

Being, I feel like, lethal shooters in the comments.

[Tate]

Oh, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

But you know what? I'm looking at it right now. It is. It is in the comments right now is still a lot of love from the ladies, which is. Which is good, because. What. Cause you're going to be looking at.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, she is classy.

[Van Lathan]

She is definitely classy. You're going to be looking in the comments, and all of a sudden you're going to see just, like, some eyes, and then it's going to be like, whatever, but I wonder.

[Joel Anderson]

Stefan Diggs.

[Van Lathan]

Stefan Diggs. This is not what you want. She cold, bro. I'm not even going to lie, bro. She cold, bro.

[Tate]

Somebody in here says, I wish there was a channel for just watching the cheerleaders during the. The game.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, damn.

[Van Lathan]

I'm telling you.

[Tate]

I mean, that's as far as Instagram comments go. That's about as classy as it gets, man.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, that's on the other side of the line, though.

[Tate]

It is a little weird. I mean, come on, bro.

[Van Lathan]

J. Michael, keep your eye on the ball, bro.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, we're praying.

[Van Lathan]

Keep your eye on the ball, man. You didn't ask for that. People trying to get your sister hooked up, man.

[Tate]

But he's probably been fighting this fight his whole life, man.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

You rather have a hot mom than a hot sister. Hot sister's tough, Especially Older hot sister with older dudes that are, like, talking.

[Tate]

To you, like, cold.

[Van Lathan]

You know, I actually. I actually. I think having a hot sister is dope. I think. I think is. I think having a hot sister is dope. I do okay. You know, I have a brother.

[Joel Anderson]

I have a sister.

[Van Lathan]

Is he hot? He.

[Joel Anderson]

Look, guy married, got two kids.

[Van Lathan]

There you go. All right. It's okay to say shout out to.

[Joel Anderson]

Gil, not Billy Gil, but, you know.

[Van Lathan]

Shout out to Gil. But I'm looking at them. This is a whole beautiful family of the Sturd events. The whole beautiful family of the Sturd events right now. It's a gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous.

[Tate]

Everybody's handsome.

[Van Lathan]

Everybody is gorgeous in this family.

[Joel Anderson]

Shout out.

[Van Lathan]

And I gotta be honest with you, she up here with her mom. The mom is gorgeous too, man. Mr. Sturt of the whole. They. They doing the whole thing. I'm just saying, for me, I'm looking at it like, really? You put my sister in the IG up here, man. What we doing, bro?

[Joel Anderson]

Let me play the game.

[Tate]

She's already on tv. I mean, she's already on tv. You know what I mean? Like, we don't have to do any more of that. You know, that's what I would be like. I was like, all right, bro. Like, this is kind of my domain. She's got her thing. She's already famous in her world. It does not have to. That. We don't have to cross streams like that. But thank the. I mean, you know, shout them out. I mean, I. I think that's a beautiful thing you can do for people. You share an Instagram account of a beautiful person to your friends or somebody else. That's love, man. That really is love.

[Van Lathan]

Damn, J. Michael.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's a tough day at the. At the office for J. Michael. But again, good player. Sounds like he's got a lovely family. So shout out to the Sturman family. Shout out to Quan Sturdevon. I used to play for North Carolina. That's my. One of my favorite linebackers. Got a con started in Jersey.

[Tate]

Family.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, family. Is he in a family?

[Joel Anderson]

No, I don't think that. Maybe not. Probably not, but. Yeah, but still, I love that. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

So you're just bringing up random black people that play football and, well, the last name started.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't know of any Sturd events. You know what I mean?

[Tate]

How many. I'm gonna say, how many white Sturd events do you know?

[Van Lathan]

Is that a thing? White servants? How many white stoudemires do y' all know, man?

[Tate]

Never met one I know one.

[Joel Anderson]

I know a Michael Stoudemire.

[Van Lathan]

He's white. Oh, so he is. Oh, okay, that makes sense. So then he is the descendants of the people who probably own the plantation. And then everybody else say, you like that shit. And so, yeah, so you. Ah, Tate, you with that. You know, it's true.

[Joel Anderson]

I didn't like him that much. So, I mean, I'm gonna. Yeah, I'll have to play.

[Van Lathan]

You know, it's true. And so then everybody else is probably. Let me look this up. Let me see if there was a prominent plantation with the Stoudemire name. I never looked it up.

[Tate]

First of all, by the way, I'm going to look up Quan. I'm looking up Quan Sturtevant. And in his personal part, you know, like, they had the bio. So it's like, you know, son of Marcellus Sturtevant.

[Joel Anderson]

He was a sick linebacker.

[Tate]

Great player, people. This is literally one of the facts. People say he looks like Steve McNair. What? I mean, I mean, I don't know how that makes it into your bias, bro.

[Joel Anderson]

Hey, he won the Music City Bowl, 2010. Tyler Bray at the end of the game.

[Tate]

Visit Africa. So this is from 2010. I hope he's had 15 years. I hope. I brought Quan.

[Joel Anderson]

He played in the NFL. Played for the Cardinals for a few years.

[Tate]

Good point. Okay. I hope he made it to Africa.

[Joel Anderson]

Shout out to Quan. Bruce Carter. Also in that group, Robert Quinn. Great defense. Butch.

[Tate]

Dave. Where's number 52? Because of Ray Lewis and John Beeson.

[Joel Anderson]

That's why I got that 52 jersey. Shout out to John Beeson, by the way.

[Tate]

Okay, Tate, he said favorite restaurant in Chapel Hill is Sutton's Drugstore. Is that.

[Joel Anderson]

It's the best, best, best milkshake you'll ever get. We should all go to Chapel Hill. I'm gonna be in Chapel Hill this weekend, actually. But we should all go to Chapel Hill. Go to Sutton's.

[Van Lathan]

So it's Sutton's Drugstore.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

What goes on? What goes on there?

[Joel Anderson]

They got milkshakes, hot dogs, burgers, chicken sandwiches. Best food ever. Look up Sutton's Drugstore. It's a great spot.

[Tate]

Don't do it.

[Van Lathan]

Don't do it.

[Tate]

The drugstore. That's doing it. It's it.

[Van Lathan]

I'm about to look. I'm about to look it up.

[Joel Anderson]

That's one of my top five favorite drugs right there. The drugstore.

[Tate]

Drugstore. Don't look it up, man. Okay, now I'm looking it up. Oh, man, it open.

[Van Lathan]

You know, some was getting turned Away from that.

[Joel Anderson]

Hey, man, that's where all. That's where everybody goes. That's where everybody goes.

[Tate]

I stop. Don't do it, man.

[Joel Anderson]

My mom's back out.

[Tate]

The drugstores would really. I mean, because when. As soon as I said drugstore, I. I could see. Oh, it was turning, man.

[Van Lathan]

You know, something. Get out of here.

[Tate]

Provocative of another drugstores.

[Van Lathan]

We don't serve your content here.

[Joel Anderson]

It's a great spot.

[Tate]

Great. I believe it.

[Joel Anderson]

We're all gonna go. We're all gonna go.

[Tate]

We're all going to Chapel Hill.

[Van Lathan]

So how long. So sudden. Drugstore. When did it open? When did it open? When did it open?

[Tate]

Are you being serious?

[Joel Anderson]

I don't know when it open.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, tell me when it opened, Joe.

[Tate]

1923.

[Van Lathan]

Get.

[Joel Anderson]

Get.

[Tate]

Oh, man.

[Van Lathan]

Look, bro, because you know why, though, Cuz, like in all of these places.

[Tate]

Ms. Frasier, I am not doing all of this.

[Joel Anderson]

You disavow.

[Van Lathan]

All of these places. Like, places like that was a flashpoint. It was never. It was always like the local. I'm sorry, I can't. We can't do this, bro. But like, I'm sorry, but you just say, everybody go to Sutton's Drugstore. I'm like, yeah, now that we can. Let's go down there.

[Tate]

Come on, man. Come on. I want to be treated nice there, man.

[Joel Anderson]

Sir, Devon's favorite restaurant.

[Tate]

You know, what's your favorite milkshake there? Let's talk.

[Joel Anderson]

Hey, man, they got good. I mean, I like strawberry milkshakes.

[Tate]

Strawberry milkshake.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, this look cold. The hamburger look good. And you know.

[Joel Anderson]

We'Re all gonna go eat there at some point in the future. I believe in us parting shots before we get out of here. No shots at Sutton's Drugstore. Band, I'll go to you first.

[Van Lathan]

There's no widely public publicized historical information. A record of specific prominent racism and discrimination with Sutton's Drugstore.

[Tate]

Okay, for the people.

[Van Lathan]

That's it. That's it for the people. So maybe. Maybe Sutton back in the day, whoever he was, maybe Sutton was one of the ones that would stand up. We'll do a documentary on that.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, there you go.

[Van Lathan]

We'll do a doc. We'll do a doc. See, look, this is Tate. You always get. You don't have faith, right? But look at Sutton's Drugstore. That's hopeful. That's hope for everybody. So now we gonna do the Sutton's drugstore documentary. In 1929, there was one place that the black people of North Carolina could go. The black tar Heels. And it was Sutton's drugstore, named by old Mr. A.E. sutton, who said that y' all could come in here and have a good time. Cause. And get a milkshake. Come here and have a milkshake. That's why I still even like that shit. It's a. It's a big. It's a big weekend. What I'm. What I'm looking for right now is which one of these coaches that really need to get wins to solidify their standing at their universities in this age of carnage will get these wins in the next couple of weeks. Not. There are coaches that are not on the hot seat that still need to get wins to either bounce back. Wins like Summerall and Tulane, solidifying wins like Drinkowicz. There's still guys out there, still guys out there that are trying to improve stuff to fan bases. There's just very, very few places where the culture and the results are solid right now, as solid as you think they are. And so as the season moves on, I'm watching the coaches in college football, because I'll tell you something. Right now, the precarious place that college football is in as far as the changing of the guard, it is evident. Nowhere is it more evident, should I say, than in the coaches. The coaches are the people who are dealing with the fallout of the changing culture in college football, the changing economic system of college football, and the changing expectations in college football. So these are the guys I'm going to be watching over the next couple of weeks to kind of see who can pull off the wins that are going to keep them around and maybe get them to the playoff and make and change the. The pecking order of college football in years to come.

[Joel Anderson]

I love it. Joel, parting shots.

[Tate]

You know, this is kind of funny, but did y'.

[Van Lathan]

All.

[Tate]

Did y' all know that Harvard is undefeated?

[Joel Anderson]

Their quarterback is so good. If you haven't watched Harvard's quarterback, I'm like, every. Every power forward team should be recruiting this kid.

[Tate]

Yeah, well, so this is what I was going to say. So I. And I kind of. I saw him in some. I don't know how I was alerted to this, but they were like, yo, this kid, he has a chance at the NFL. And I'm just like, I don't know, man. He might be able to make more money trying to go to somebody's P4.

[Joel Anderson]

Go to Auburn.

[Tate]

Yeah, go to Auburn. Go to something like that. I mean, he kind of looks like Van's friend Cord Jefferson, too. He has some real nil possibilities. Okay. But first, before all that, Harvard 7 and oh, and this is the first year the Ivy League is sending teams to the FCS playoffs. So it could be that Harvard is going to probably, you know, right now they're 13th in the country. They got one in six Columbia right now. Shout out my boy Palmer. You know what I'm saying? Like, look at, look, look at your sorry 1 in 6 squad dog. You're not up right now, are you? So. But Harvard, man, Harvard might make the playoffs. Jaden Craig, man, I'm just kind of.

[Joel Anderson]

Jaden Craig.

[Tate]

I'm interested in that. I would bet that there are some people hitting up his line right now that that guy's gonna, he's gonna have some, some real options on where to make his money next year.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, come on down to North Carolina, play in Chapel Hill. Jaden Craig, we'll welcome you.

[Tate]

Are you already, you ready to move past Geo, huh? He's just like.

[Joel Anderson]

The only Geo we recognize is Geo Bernard. We're done with everybody else.

[Tate]

Bernard, man, great running back.

[Joel Anderson]

He was in my drama115 class. My guy sat next to him every day, just asked some questions about the football team. He'd be like, man, yeah, we'll see.

[Van Lathan]

Just straight dick riding them.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

The whole class 100.

[Joel Anderson]

Hey man, we wanted to win beat state that year. Great year.

[Van Lathan]

It's true.

[Tate]

Geo's from Florida, right? He played down at whatever the St. Thomas Aquinas.

[Joel Anderson]

St. Thomas Aquinas. Yeah. Yep. Shout out. Look at you. Knowing Geo Bernard effects Butch Davis guy.

[Tate]

I told you, you guys focused on the wrong. When I talked about number 12 last week. I'm, I'm a Leon Johnson fan as well. Number 12.

[Joel Anderson]

I know, I, I told you. I'm, I'm team Leon Johnson as well. And shout out, shout out to everybody listening to Ring or tailgate. We appreciate it. Been a fun show. Covered a lot on this show. We're going to be talking about the CFP rankings every single week as they come out. So that'll be fun fodder for us on this show. They come out on Tuesday nights. Hopefully. YouTube TV, Disney, Google, figure it out because this weekend we got some great games to watch. We want to be able to watch them in the multi view. I know espn, someone reached out to me. They're like the ESP P app has multi view. It sucks. Hate it.

[Van Lathan]

I didn't buffers.

[Joel Anderson]

It's terrible. It's terrible. The audio doesn't switch over when you want it to. YouTube TV figured it out. We want it back. Bring it back. And speaking of back, we'll be back on Saturday Ringer tailgate live on YouTube. Come hang out with us. We'll talk to you then. Must be 21 or older and President select states for Kansas and affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 and older in President, D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling Problem Call 1-800-Gambler or visit rg-help.com, call 1-887-897-777 or visit ccpg.org chatincut or visit mdg.org In Maryland, Hope is here. Visit gamblingline helpma.org or call 800-327-5050 for 7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8-HOPE NY or text HOPE NY in New York.