Silk Suits and Pure Spite: The Ringer Tailgate Haters Ball

Summary

Ringer Tailgate – "Silk Suits and Pure Spite: The Ringer Tailgate Haters Ball"

Date: January 28, 2026
Hosts: Van Lathan, Joel Anderson, Tate Frazier ("Billy")
Summary prepared for: Listeners seeking a complete, engaging breakdown of the episode’s award show and college football banter

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Episode Overview

The crew celebrates the conclusion of the 2025 college football season with the inaugural “Ringer Tailgate Haters Ball”—an awards episode where equal parts sharp analysis, chaos, and friendly roasting collide. In a tongue-in-cheek nod to the legendary Chappelle’s Show skit, the guys (dressed, some more reluctantly than others, in their fanciest attire) hand out a slate of irreverent and insightful awards for the year in college football, riff on fan culture, and pay special tribute to standout characters—on and off the field.

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Main Segments & Awards

1. Award Show Vibes, Banter & Setup

[01:00-04:13]

• The hosts riff on being dressed up for the Haters Ball—Van Lathan protests being gaslit into thinking it was his idea, but is outvoted by Tate and Joel.
• Running joke about a secret text thread and painstaking planning for suits (Van: “If I just followed my instincts…” [05:36]).
• Joel is praised for coming prepared with an extra tie (“Stand up guy.” [04:05]).

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2. Awards Breakdown

Each award is a blend of real-season accolades and classic Tailgate irreverence. Here are the highlights:

Year 1 MVP: Joel Anderson

[04:13-05:32]

• Joel is unanimously voted show MVP for Season 1.
• “Raise the roof for the fastest 10th grader. For the fastest 10 year old. That's our MVP in history right there.” — Van [05:22]

Hoe of the Year: Mike Gundy

[06:06-11:06]

• Nominees: Lane Kiffin (LSU), RedditCFB, off-the-board pick Mike Gundy.
• Van details Gundy’s pregame complaints, coaching blunders, and the infamous loss that cost him his job.
• “If you’re gonna be a hoe, you might as well be Hoe of the Year.” — Joel [11:06]

Daddy of the Year: Ty Simpson (Alabama QB)

[11:19-14:14]

• Nominees: Ty Simpson, Ryan Day, Marcus Freeman, Haynes King, T.J. Finley.
• Ty Simpson wins for his “Big Daddy” energy and a memorable text thread.
• “Ty Simpson: one of the funniest moments... Daddy Joel comes back with: Ty Simpson is a big daddy.” — Billy [12:50]

Trayvon Boykin Award (Best QB): Fernando Mendoza

[14:14-18:30]

• Nominees: Mendoza (Heisman winner), Trinidad Chambliss (Ole Miss), others.
• Chambliss considered for late playoff run, but Mendoza’s grit in the National Championship is decisive.
• “He said he was taking back shots, front shots—he was saying all types of stuff.” — Joel [15:29]
• “The beating he took in that game sort of reminded me of Pat Mahomes.… First time I'd seen him under that kind of pressure.” — Van [17:50]

Dan Lanning (Sunny Dykes) Coach of the Year: Curt Cignetti

[18:30-20:31]

• Nominees: Cignetti (Indiana), Dan Lanning, Kirby Smart, Pete Golding, Mario Cristobal, Marcus Freeman, Mike Elko, DeSean Jackson.
• Praise for coaches who did “a lot with not a lot,” especially Cignetti (built up Indiana into contenders).

T.J. Finley Portal Player of the Year: Trinidad Chambliss (Ole Miss)

[20:31-23:45]

• Chambliss goes from D-II Ferris State to starring for playoff-bound Ole Miss.
• “Without his coach, his lead play-caller… he played like that in the playoffs.” — Van [21:26]

Bust of the Year: Brian Kelly (LSU)

[23:49-26:41]

• Nominees: Arch Manning, Penn State coaching search, Nico Iamaleava, Brian Kelly, Cade Klubnik.
• “Baton Rouge was conquered by Texas A&M…. Bust of the year is easily Brian Kelly for me.” — Billy [25:00]
• Shocking midseason firing, huge roster additions amount to nothing.

Most Shocking Result: Sherrone Moore Fired by Michigan

[26:54-31:13]

• Other nominees: UCLA > Penn State; FSU > Alabama; Louisville > Miami; Indiana > Ohio State.
• Moore’s firing, legal issues, and meme status make this the runaway pick.
• “Sherrone Moore in a jumpsuit, bro, it’s tough.…I’m already seeing the meme work.” — Van [31:24]

227 Award (Best "Tussler"): Reuben Bain (Miami)

[32:10-35:18]

• Other nominees: Parham (Texas Tech), David Bailey (Texas Tech).
• Bain’s “element of menace” and dominance earn the honor.
• “He looked like he had a union job. He don’t look like a normal…” — Van [33:09]

Beef of the Year: Lane Kiffin vs. Ole Miss

[35:24-41:09]

• Other beefs: Diego Pavia vs. Heisman voters; Jordan Hudson vs. Pablo Torre; Joel vs. Lane Kiffin.
• Kiffin’s move to LSU sparks a real, Twitter-fueled rivalry between the two schools.
• “That’s the kind of stuff that we enjoy as college football fans—the culture, the drama that keeps it going.” — Billy [39:13]

Bag Drop of the Year: Texas Tech

[43:30-49:29]

• Texas Tech paid big money in the portal, made the playoff; compared with Carson Beck at Miami.
• Lubbock’s “tough sell” and the program's payoff are praised.

Hater of the Year: Nick Saban

[50:22-51:37]

• Saban never picked Curt Cignetti’s teams on GameDay; beats out Joel for real-time hater status.

Image Makeover of the Year: Mario Cristobal (Miami)

[51:37-55:13]

• Nominees: Virginia Tech, James Franklin, Nick Saban, Vanderbilt, Texas Tech.
• Miami goes from being called “soft” to “hard-nosed, trenches-based football.”
• “Last year’s team was viewed as being soft… this year, they completely made their reputation over.” — Billy [54:21]

Comeback of the Year: Raising the Roof

[55:55-58:39]

• The crew reminisce and riff on the return (and proper technique) for “raising the roof.”
• “Not the commercialized version, the actual raising—roll up and lift.” — Billy [57:33]
• Origin story: Southside Houston, 1994 (Van).

Character of the Year: Michael Irvin (Miami)

[58:48-60:48]

• Also nominated: Abella Danger (also University of Miami).
• Irvin’s media resurgence and campus presence was “ubiquitous.”
• Van reflects: “I felt bad about the Abella Danger thing… She should be able to just go watch the games…” [59:44]

Best Friend(s) of the Program: The Chat

[67:02-69:12]

• Nominees: Jeff Ketchum, TJ Finley, Chris Ryan, but the live chat community gets the win.
• “I love the chat, man.… It’s a real good way of building the show.” — Van [69:04]

The Joel Award: Nico Iamaleava (UCLA)

[71:24-76:05]

• Joel crafts his own “Best Picture”-style award, honoring UCLA QB Nico for resilience through public doubt and a rocky transition.
• “I like to think of myself as a fan of labor, of the little man.… I root for the guy who takes the harder way.” — Joel [71:52]
• Larger discussion follows about NIL, media narratives, and how the portal impacts college athletes.

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Other Noteworthy Quotes & Banter

• On Lane Kiffin’s LSU move:
  “This is the kind of thing that made LSU-Alabama a real rivalry.” — Van [38:22]
• On coaches’ cuts in the portal era:
  “You’re competing for your spot with everybody in college football.” — Billy [78:28]
• On media & labor:
  “I believe that the athletes, particularly college athletes, have been an exploited class forever. I’m always going to be on their side.” — Van [82:18]
• On “Raising the Roof” (proper technique):
  “The roll into the raise, the hand under the elbow—that was the difference.” — Joel [58:20]
• On show chemistry:
  “I feel like, you know, we’re gonna be boys. … We’re doing our thing.” — Van [87:54]

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Highlighted Moments & Humor

• The “Haters Ball” Theme & Attire: The panel’s (forced) formal dress and Van’s well-documented skepticism provide a continuous source of jokes and camaraderie. (“I did not come up with this. This is not my idea. And y’all tried to convince me that I did.” — Van [51:17])
• Long-winded asides about TV nostalgia (“Just the Ten of Us,” “Out of This World”), mistaken Lubbock references, and raising the roof technique [45:24-49:29, 55:55-58:39]
• Family lineage and Louisiana geography: Unexpected moments of hosts discovering shared ancestral ties to “New Roads” and the “Atchafalaya Basin” [61:49-64:47]
• Plans for the show’s future/threats to make Joel the mascot (a “gator in a suit”) and group travel plans for next season’s championship game in Vegas [88:18-91:41]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [01:00] – Show/episode kickoff, suit banter
• [04:13] – MVP Award
• [06:06] – Hoe of the Year
• [11:19] – Daddy of the Year
• [14:14] – QB & Coach Awards
• [20:31] – Portal Player of the Year
• [23:49] – Bust of the Year
• [26:54] – Most Shocking Result
• [32:10] – Tussler Award
• [35:24] – Beef of the Year
• [43:30] – Bag Drop of the Year
• [50:22] – Hater of the Year
• [51:37] – Image Makeover of the Year
• [55:55] – Comeback of the Year
• [58:48] – Character of the Year
• [67:02] – Friend of the Program
• [71:24] – Joel Award / Final discussion

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Episode’s Tone & Style

• Language: Unfiltered, boisterous, frat-house-meets-locker-room energy with frequent in-jokes.
• Style: Smart but never self-serious, equally comfortable with obscure college football analysis and pop culture detours.
• Dynamics: Ostensibly an awards show, but just as much a celebration of their chemistry, audience, and football fandom—and a loving roast of each other.

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Final Thoughts / End of Season

• The team expresses gratitude for one another and the listeners, vows to return for offseason content, and dreams up future travel (and mascot) plans, ending with, “We got a lot planned. We’ll see you in a week.”

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For fans and new listeners alike, this episode is the perfect snapshot of Ringer Tailgate’s mix: deep CFB expertise, locker-room irreverence, and a whole lot of love for the culture surrounding the game.

Transcript

[Joel Anderson]

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[Van Lathan]

Tax Act.

[Joel Anderson]

Let's get them over with. Foreign. Welcome back to Ringer Tailgate. It is officially award season here on Ringer Tailgate, also in the real world, but in our world especially, college football has wrapped up, and we are officially done with the 2025 college football season, and we're very excited for this show. Let's say what's up to our guys? First and foremost, Van Lathan. Van, how's it going, man?

[Billy]

Ready, Ready, ready. Hut.

[Van Lathan]

Hut.

[Joel Anderson]

And Joel, how's it going? You look fresh. You look good.

[Billy]

Great.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, the thing is, it's like, do I. As this show goes along, I'm like, do I want to go along with y' all on this?

[Billy]

Go along with us on what?

[Van Lathan]

Or do I, like. It's like. Like, I don't feel like I should be a good teammate. But then. But, like, explaining what's going on.

[Billy]

But you have to be either explaining.

[Van Lathan]

What'S on is, like, good for me because I get to explain why this is happening, or if I don't say anything about it, then, no, then it's just like, y', all, I'm not gonna play if y'. All. You go ahead. Joel is.

[Joel Anderson]

Joel, this is our award show.

[Billy]

This. This our award show. You decided to, like, you know, come dress in a nice.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, you look great. You look good.

[Van Lathan]

That's what happened.

[Billy]

Tate.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I'm not gonna play along. See, that's what I'm saying.

[Billy]

What?

[Van Lathan]

But, see, I'm not gonna do it. Because if I don't play along, then the show is kind of fucked up. What has been, in case you couldn't fucking tell, is that they had talked about, oh, we're gonna do this haters ball idea for the show.

[Joel Anderson]

Your idea. Your idea.

[Van Lathan]

Not my idea.

[Joel Anderson]

Your idea.

[Billy]

Well, you want. It's your shit.

[Van Lathan]

They kept trying to convince me that this was my idea, and I was like, I don't remember coming up with that idea. I was like, it sounds like something that I could have came up with.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, it's a good idea.

[Van Lathan]

Whatever. And so they were like, oh, yeah, we're gonna do this haters ball thing, and we should all get dressed up, like, you know. And I was, like, dressed up for a haters ball. Y' all have. Y' all have a text. A text thread differently.

[Billy]

No, we don't. No, we don't.

[Van Lathan]

There's no way for y' all to. Of course y' all on.

[Billy]

We don't have a text channel. We don't have a text thread different from you. There was a mastermind here, and he and this person would text people individually. I'm not at liberty to say who it was, so. So. But there's no text thread without. Without Joe. No text threat, bruh. Here's the deal. And this is why I'm positive if you guys are listening to this, you're missing out. You need to go on YouTube and watch this like some subscribe, Share, whatever, whatever. Like, comment, subscribe, share, whatever, all that. You look great, Joe.

[Joel Anderson]

Looks good, Joe.

[Billy]

That's a great shoe. You say that's a joss a bank? Yeah, I guess it's a joss a bonk.

[Van Lathan]

I think it's that. I don't know.

[Joel Anderson]

You don't have no clue or dkny.

[Billy]

Dk and why.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. It was so kind. You brought an extra tie because you thought Van needed a tie.

[Billy]

We talked about the fact between pods that I did not have a tie. Joel brought an extra tie, which means that he had two ties.

[Joel Anderson]

Stand up guy.

[Billy]

He had a backup tie, which is the kind of guy that we know Joel to be.

[Joel Anderson]

Yep.

[Billy]

I'll say this first award to be given out.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Billy]

If. If you.

[Joel Anderson]

Yes, please.

[Van Lathan]

If I may.

[Joel Anderson]

Yes.

[Billy]

The First Ward award to be given out right now is the year one mvp.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, wow.

[Billy]

Ringer tailgate. And I'm doing something that you can do in the Congress. I'm moving right now to send this directly to a vote. Majority wins, and I'm nominating.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Billy]

I'm nominating Joel Anderson as the season one MVP of Ringer Tailgate. All the Yays in the place, raise your hand if you agree that Joel Anderson is the Season 1 MVP of Ring or tailgate. All the Yays. Yeah, all the yays.

[Joel Anderson]

No, none from freeze is up.

[Billy]

The Yays have it. The first award has been given out, and I move that this award be named the Joel Anderson MVP trophy.

[Joel Anderson]

Great job, Joel. Should we raise the roof?

[Billy]

Raise the roof for the fastest 10th grader. For the fastest 10 year old.

[Joel Anderson]

That's our MVP in history right there.

[Billy]

That's our MVP. That's our MVP.

[Joel Anderson]

That'S our first award.

[Billy]

That's our first award.

[Joel Anderson]

That was a great award.

[Billy]

MVP award. The season one MVP award. Joel Anderson.

[Van Lathan]

The only thing I can think about is that if I just followed taped to his car, none of this would have happened. If I just followed my instinct, I was like, let me see if Tay actually got a suit.

[Joel Anderson]

I had to commit to the bit. Pretty hard.

[Billy]

We did.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I didn't go to my car.

[Billy]

I'm not gonna bullshit you. There was significant planning that was involved. Yeah, I mean, that's just a fact.

[Van Lathan]

I just. I mean, I just. I knew I dog. Why didn't I follow my instincts? Anyway, you look great.

[Joel Anderson]

First. First award given out. Yeah. He doesn't want to be seen right now because he's the mvp. He's a bashful guy. He doesn't want to all the focus on him. But let's start with the. The second award of the night. MVP has been given out. Congratulations. Joel Anderson, Tailgate mvp. You love that race. The roof, everybody at home. And now our. Our second category of the night, Hoe of the year, which is a very fascinating category. Ho of the year. This was a controversial topic on the show and really across all of college football. Our two candidates this year for Hoe of the Year, Lane Kiffin, head coach of lsu, former head coach of Ole Miss. Our second and last candidate for Hoe of the Year, Reddit cfp. Now, not an individual, but an entity. So these are our.

[Billy]

This is gonna be tough for you.

[Joel Anderson]

These are our two nominees.

[Billy]

This is gonna be tough for you.

[Van Lathan]

I went off the board.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, it went off the board.

[Billy]

So you didn't give it to Lane or Reddit cfb. Okay, I want to say two things right here. Number one, I know Joe's not going to like this. Obviously, Lane Kiffin is the coach of the LSU Fighting Tigers. I can't give him Hoe of the Year Reddit cfb. I have no beef.

[Joel Anderson]

I Have no beef either.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I know. I don't. I have no friends on this show.

[Billy]

I have no beef with Red. I have no seat. I have no beef, but I can't give it to Lane Kiffin, so. But, Joel, you said you went off the board, so that's more interesting.

[Joel Anderson]

So, Joel, who is your Hoe of the year?

[Van Lathan]

I don't want. I want to participate in this show. But anyway. Mike Gundy.

[Billy]

Oh.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Over the years.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, please.

[Van Lathan]

Well, do you remember the week before they played Oregon and he was up there like, well, you know, they spent a lot of money on that team.

[Billy]

Ah, that's a good call.

[Van Lathan]

They spent a lot of money on that team, and, you know, that's not really cool. Maybe they should play teams that are better than us, you know, teams in their own. Their own level. I was like, well, that's what they're trying to do to you, bro. That's what they. They don't want Oklahoma State to do this kind of stuff no more.

[Joel Anderson]

But anyway, he also threatened to put duct tape on his Nike patches because. To send a message to Nike.

[Van Lathan]

Went out and lost 69.

[Joel Anderson]

3.

[Billy]

Cost him his job.

[Van Lathan]

Cost him his job. And I'm just. If you're gonna sit there before. What are you telling your players? You got there, it was like, man, they spend a lot of money on these guys. Y' all are not really.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm with you. I think. I think my vote. If I'm doing a vote here, I think I'm gonna go. Mike Gundy.

[Billy]

I, I, I. You've changed my mind. Is. Do we remember the pit coach? Oh, that also pulled the same patent. Our doozy pulled the same thing. A less whorish level. But you could argue that I. I think Mike Gundy is the right call here.

[Joel Anderson]

I. I'm with it. Should we.

[Van Lathan]

Should we finalize one more?

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. Please.

[Billy]

Another hoe Joe, the ho master.

[Van Lathan]

The other, the. Oh, man. Okay. The other one is Marcus Freeman.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, wow.

[Billy]

Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

Joel.

[Billy]

Joel.

[Van Lathan]

I just.

[Billy]

Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

Joel. You were on.

[Billy]

Joel.

[Van Lathan]

So everybody. They sit. They. They went around the table, and they were like, so I don't think we're going to have a lot of players for the next game. And we're really disappointed that we didn't get to go to the playoff. You guys want to play? And they went around it like, guys, yeah, man. You know, we just kind of want to end the year and whatever. And then he sat there and acted like, you know, they had just agreed to breach, you know, the enemy front in North Korea. Some shit like that. Like, I don't. North Korea. Well, I don't know.

[Joel Anderson]

They stormed Norman.

[Van Lathan]

They stormed Norman.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. There you go.

[Joel Anderson]

Nor is a good start. I didn't know you were going to Normandy.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, but, you know, so I just. I mean, come on, bro. Like, that was nothing. And he was like, oh, I was really proud of you guys. That was. Showed a lot of character, a lot of courage. And deciding to not play against this, another team in a bowl game, it just seemed like some ho shit a little bit.

[Billy]

Okay, so I will say this. Freeze, Duke. If you guys will note the time code of this episode where Joel has called Marcus Freeman a hoe. I guarantee. I don't think this was the point. Just wait a second. I guarantee that Marcus Freeman will be a guest on this podcast. Guarantee.

[Joel Anderson]

He was already supposed to be on this podcast.

[Billy]

Already supposed to be.

[Joel Anderson]

Yes, guaranteed.

[Billy]

The question is, do you have nominated him for hoe of the Year? He has not won. I think it's pretty clearly Mike Gundy. But would you tell him that you nominated him whole the year to his face?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I mean, I would give him the context, but. Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

Worry. We'll play the clip.

[Billy]

We'll play the clip.

[Joel Anderson]

It'll be good. So final answer. Ho of the year. Final. We'll give it up. Mike Gundy.

[Billy]

Mike Gundy.

[Joel Anderson]

Mike Gundy. Congratulations, coach.

[Billy]

Congratulations to coach.

[Joel Anderson]

Thank you, Coach.

[Billy]

Hoe of the year.

[Joel Anderson]

Hoe of the Year. It's actually better when you win these awards. You know what I mean? So if you're going to be a hoe, you might as well be hoe of the Year. Next up, Daddy of the Year. Obviously, big one for you.

[Van Lathan]

That's what I say matters today.

[Billy]

That's not true, Joel. You have. You. You've won mvp. You realign the first category.

[Van Lathan]

I don't even know how to explain it because I don't want to keep focusing on this, but it. It really is just with my head, I'm not. I've really not been able to switch.

[Billy]

Back on Joe, but that's like everything does. So that's okay. It's fine. It's fine.

[Joel Anderson]

Daddy of the Year.

[Billy]

I think you're actually focused.

[Joel Anderson]

I think you're crushing it. Daddy of the Year nominees here. Number one, Big Daddy Simpson, AKA Alabama quarterback Ty Simpson. For Daddy of the Year, Ryan Day, Ohio State head coach for the. For the nipple ring that we remember. Week one nipple ring. Daddy of the Year feels very much. Marcus Freeman, who's been down in Verhoe of the Year and Daddy of the Year.

[Billy]

That's interesting. Hoe of the Year and Daddy of the Year.

[Joel Anderson]

Yes.

[Billy]

That's versatility.

[Joel Anderson]

Got to see both sides. And then the last dad of the year, Haynes King, somehow in there for Daddy of the Year looks like a father. You know what I mean? I think it's the reason why he's up there for Daddy of the year.

[Billy]

No, T.J. finley.

[Joel Anderson]

No T.J. finley.

[Billy]

He was the one that was doing it for his kids.

[Joel Anderson]

Right?

[Van Lathan]

That's right. Sure.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I can be swayed.

[Van Lathan]

We.

[Joel Anderson]

Mike Gundy was off the board and he won.

[Van Lathan]

So true.

[Billy]

I'm gonna go with in this particular situation, because this is the player that. The term that Joel invented the term for.

[Van Lathan]

No.

[Billy]

So I'm gonna go with Ty Simpson.

[Joel Anderson]

Big daddy.

[Billy]

Big daddy Ty Simpson.

[Joel Anderson]

Right.

[Billy]

Because Ty Simpson, one of the funniest moments I could remember on a text threads like, yo, it's Todd Simpson, and Daddy Joel comes back with, Ty Simpson is a big daddy.

[Joel Anderson]

Big daddy, all caps.

[Billy]

All caps. I'm like, wow.

[Van Lathan]

I was trying. I was trying to create camaraderie. Right?

[Joel Anderson]

And you did a great teammate.

[Billy]

You did a great job.

[Van Lathan]

You did it.

[Billy]

If Ty Simpson did not have.

[Joel Anderson]

Look at this now, Joel, he did.

[Billy]

Not have the end of the season that he wanted to, but throughout the middle of the season, he was the daddy of Alabama football.

[Joel Anderson]

Four straight wins against ranked opponents. Yeah, Joel. Joel did not believe that they should be ranked, but I think Ty Simpson.

[Van Lathan]

Big daddy man, big rank win.

[Joel Anderson]

Any. Any pushback on that? Joe, any other daddies out there? I know that you're a father. You know?

[Billy]

Yeah. Who's daddy?

[Van Lathan]

I don't want to do this. Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

All right. So I think daddy of the year is Ty Simpson.

[Billy]

That do you? Okay. You don't want to. You don't want to get involved. You've already dubbed. First of all. Okay, Joel, Joe already says Ty Simpson's daddy. Give it up for Todd.

[Joel Anderson]

Ty Simpson, Alabama quarterback.

[Billy]

You didn't win the Heisman, but you.

[Joel Anderson]

Got that in here and you're going to the NFL. You turned down six and a half million dollars from Alabama or, I'm sorry, from Miami to go to the NFL. So Ty Simpson shout out to you. That's a daddy move.

[Billy]

That's a daddy move.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

So they don't need that money. Next up, Trayvon Boykin Award, AKA Best quarterback in college Football. The Boykin Award.

[Billy]

Boykin Award for best quarterback in college Football. We're performers right now.

[Joel Anderson]

Here we go. Trayvon Boykin Award, Best quarterback in College Football. Here's the nominees. Anybody off the board, please bring them up. Drew Mestemaker, Joel's number three quarterback. North Texas is very own. Gonna be at Oklahoma State next year. Diego Pav from Vanderbilt, obviously a top choice. Trinidad Chambliss from Ole Miss. Darien Mensah from Duke. Dante Moore from Oregon. And of course, the Heisman winner, Fernando Mendoza. The Boykin Award. Van. Best quarterback in college football.

[Billy]

It's impossible not to give it to Mendoza. I almost thought about giving it to Trinidad Champion.

[Joel Anderson]

Me too.

[Billy]

I almost thought about giving it to him.

[Joel Anderson]

Just because Mendoza's won a lot of awards.

[Billy]

Won a lot of awards. Chambliss led Ole Miss on a spirited run in the playoffs and made some gigantic throws.

[Joel Anderson]

But, man, all the way to the end, right?

[Billy]

All the way to the end. If you watched in the national championship game getting battered and bruised and destroyed, if you watch what Fernando Mendoza did, there's no way you can't give it to him.

[Joel Anderson]

He said he was taking back shots, front shots. He was saying all types of stuff.

[Billy]

Pause balls.

[Joel Anderson]

Big time, big daddy.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Anyway, so is it my turn?

[Billy]

Yeah, it's your turn.

[Van Lathan]

All right. Yeah, I mean, I'll probably go with Mendoza. I mean, I think the. The thing about Mendoza is that. Yeah. I mean, that was.

[Joel Anderson]

Joe, why are you blocking yourself the entire show?

[Van Lathan]

I don't know. I told you, I'm rattled.

[Joel Anderson]

You look like Ricky Bobby when he's like, I don't know what to do with my hands.

[Van Lathan]

Like, in the end, I'm a couple.

[Joel Anderson]

But you look great.

[Billy]

You look great.

[Joel Anderson]

You do.

[Van Lathan]

This is. Anyway, Mendoza, I. I gained a lot, even a lot of respect. You remember when Pat Mahomes got his ass kicked and that loss to the Bucks.

[Billy]

Oh. Can I tell you something? The people from Outkick wrote about me, right? Oh. Oh, yeah. Outkick. I'm. I'm. Now. Now I'm official.

[Van Lathan]

Really?

[Billy]

Because Outkick has called me out for race baiting. That means that on the show. No, it was on Higher Learning. We're talking about Josh Allen.

[Van Lathan]

Oh.

[Billy]

Kid called me off a race bait. And that means I truly am advocating as a. As a black man. They never criticize, whatever, shout out to them, appreciate the love. The only. The only other time I can remember being disgusted at the reaction to a quarterback during a game where he was getting his ass kicked and wasn't doing shit was that game. I know that he was getting his ass kicked.

[Van Lathan]

Come on, dog.

[Billy]

I know that he was getting his ass kicked, but he. They were getting Dominated and he would do something. They would be like, only Patrick Mahomes could make that throw away out of bounds. I'm like, this motherfucker's on his goddamn back. Get a defense, some credit, man. Yeah, I don't like that dumb ass. Get a defense. Like I get it but like get a defense, some credit. And say like he's hearing footsteps and the whole nine. But everybody was talking about even during the game, like how gutsy the performance was and all of that stuff like that. I do that when you win the game and when you make plays in spite of it.

[Van Lathan]

Doug Nessma. That's why he ain't got no respect for you because you getting your ass kicked and didn't win enough. Garrett Nismire, his dad is Doug.

[Billy]

His dad is Doug Nessmeier.

[Joel Anderson]

He's not on the list. He is not one of the best quarterbacks this season. He's not on the list.

[Van Lathan]

He's not. So, so Mendoza, the whole purpose is I just. The beating that he took in that game sort of reminded me of the path. I was like, God damn, they really are hitting him tonight. And that was the first time I'd seen him under that kind of pressure. He didn't have like a 300 yard game, but he was still very, very good.

[Billy]

Oh, he made plays, he made plays, he made throws.

[Van Lathan]

It was. It's as close to NFL game as you're going to get in college.

[Billy]

Certainly that's going to experience.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

So yeah, with Brady there watching him. Very, very important game for Fernando Mendoza. So should we give it up? The Trayvon Boykin Award. Fernando Mendoza, best quarterback. There you go. Fernando Mendoza. It would feel wrong to give him.

[Van Lathan]

That award so we don't have to be contrarian.

[Joel Anderson]

Next up, Chambliss finished close second though. So shout out to him. We just want to make sure Pavia knows he was not second. It was Chambas. Next up, the Dan Lanning coach of the year award. AKA the Sunny Dykes coach of the year.

[Van Lathan]

There you go.

[Joel Anderson]

So here's our nominees, Joel. We got Dan Lanning one of the nominees for award. He's named after Kirby Smart, head coach of Georgia. Pete Golding, the interim now official full time head coach Nole Miss Kurt Signetti, Indiana, Mario Cristobal, Miami, Marcus Freeman, Notre Dame, Mike Elko, Texas A M and DeSean Jackson.

[Van Lathan]

Hey.

[Joel Anderson]

Added to the list as well. Hey, so there you go. Dan Lanning coach of the year. Joel, you seem fired up. I'll start with you.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, well, I mean the coach of the Year has to be Kurt Zagnetti. Okay, right. I mean but you got a little.

[Joel Anderson]

Excited for desean Jackson.

[Van Lathan]

Well, so I actually had him as like I had a couple guys that are kind of off the board. I'm impressed with people who do a lot with not a lot. Right. And so he's one of those guys.

[Billy]

You consider Signate to be one of those guys too or no Signet. It's kind of, kind of tough, right?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, yeah. Like he built something that had never been existed there but all the ingredients were there.

[Joel Anderson]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

And he was able to tap into it. But I mean what he did obviously is special but. But I mean Delaware State, man, they had won like, I mean like two games in two years. They were really down on there. Like one of the worst, you know, FB SCS programs in the country and he turned them into an eight game winner. They were within a game of going to the Celebration bowl. So I.

[Joel Anderson]

And we got The Mike Vick vs Sean Jackson head coach game.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, pretty cool. I mean Mike. I mean Mike Vic did not have a great.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, he didn't have a great.

[Van Lathan]

He ain't doing what desean doing. And so yeah, it was just really impressive. I wouldn't have thought that would have been it. So I'm really impressed with guys to do a lot with. Not a lot, as I said. So David Braun over at Northwestern, Eric Morris, North Texas. Those are some guys. But no, I think you got to be Kurt Signetti.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Sig 10.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Congrats coach. You deserved it. Impressive. You can't do anything about that. Next up, TJ Finley Award Portal player of the year. Oh yeah. So he had his own category. That's why we didn't bring him up later. Here are the nominees for the TJ Finley Award. Carson, Becky, Miami quarterback. Nico. How do you pronounce his last name? There you go. I was just ready for it. Joe, I know you had it. John Matier, Darian Minsa, Trinidad Chambliss. Those are your TJ Finley Award Portal player of the Year. Van who deserves to win the TJ Finley Award?

[Billy]

It's got to be to me, Chambliss. It's got to be Chambliss. To me because of the story he is a Portal player. That's almost like a throwback. A guy who was at a smaller school before gets the opportunity comes in Ferris State. Ferris State don't have too much to say. More than that. A lot of these guys have great stories, but I got to give it to Chambers.

[Van Lathan]

It's Going to be unanimous because, I mean, Division 2. I don't. He probably did not have a full scholarship. He probably had to pay some money to play at Ferris State. And to go from that to. To going toe to toe with the. The national champion runner up. Right. Like, and they were depending on him. Like, without it. So without his coach, his lead play caller, he had Charlie Weiss Jr. Of course. But Lane, that's his offense. And he played like that in the playoffs.

[Billy]

Weiss calls the plays. Just to let you know.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, he calls some of them, but that's lame.

[Billy]

White calls the plays.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, okay, okay. I know it makes you feel better. No, that's good. Yeah. Okay. Anyway.

[Billy]

You ever see Lean On Me?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Joe Clark.

[Billy]

You look well in this suit. You.

[Van Lathan]

Why you remind me of this. I was getting over it.

[Joel Anderson]

You were getting over it. I was.

[Van Lathan]

I was.

[Joel Anderson]

You actually were. He was moving in the right direction.

[Van Lathan]

I was.

[Billy]

But can you see Joel with a microphone? Okay. We're starting a brand new year. Shut down. And I know that you guys sit. We got some new rules for you guys. We hate you, Mr. Anderson. Like, the whole deal. You look. You look like you could be in the administration of a school, a good school.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, man. I was over it, dog. But you were. You might have up the rest of this.

[Billy]

Damn. I apologize.

[Van Lathan]

I totally. I totally moved on, dog.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I had moved on, but now, see, it's okay. Yeah. What was the point of that? You called me Joe Clark.

[Joel Anderson]

T.J. finley Award.

[Van Lathan]

Also. I was agreeing with you. I was trying to say Trinidad Jambalist Chambers.

[Billy]

Yep.

[Van Lathan]

He probably had to pay to go to school to fair state. Yeah. Now look. And now look at M. Man. Ncaa. Let the boy play.

[Joel Anderson]

Let him play.

[Billy]

Give him another year.

[Van Lathan]

Look at me, I'm rooting. He deserves an Ole Miss.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joel Anderson]

That's very big of you.

[Billy]

Yeah. You rooting for like a. Is we always gotta root for a black man in Mississippi.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, man.

[Billy]

Who. If we don't root for him, who is going to.

[Van Lathan]

That's right. Okay. Take care of that, brother.

[Billy]

Take care of him.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. And honestly, he went there to be the backup, so for him to win this award, even more shocking. So final answer. Trinidad Chambliss, TJ Finley, Portal player of the year.

[Billy]

Yep.

[Joel Anderson]

Love to see it. Next up, bust of the year.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, this is.

[Billy]

It's going tough. I know this. This is going to hit close to home.

[Joel Anderson]

I can feel this is going to be a tough one. Let's start here. Arch Manning, preseason. Heisman favorite. He's up there nominated for Bus of the year. I think he, you know, made some amends at the end, but again, is what it is. The Penn State coaching search, which was. That was tough. Boy, was that tough. Nico. Yes, he's there for bus of the Year. Brian Kelly, former head coach for Bus of the Year. And Cade Klubnick, quarterback at Clemson, up for bust of the year.

[Billy]

No Lagway. No Nuss Meyer. Those guys. No Drew Oller. Those guys.

[Joel Anderson]

Let's. Let's nominate. Let's get him in the conversation. I think. I think Lagway, who was the third highest paid QB in college football, should definitely be up for Buses of the year.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, he got his coach fired. Me, I just don't think it was. He was hurt coming into the year.

[Joel Anderson]

Though, so you're giving him an excuse, so. No.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, no.

[Billy]

Smart was hurt all year too, if you want to go with that.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, Nussmar. Not on the list.

[Billy]

Yeah, I already put him on there. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Brian Kelly. Brian Kelly's on the list to represent lsu. We put the blame on Brian Kelly.

[Billy]

That is my winner for this award.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. Bust of the year.

[Billy]

Bust of the year.

[Joel Anderson]

Won his first game.

[Billy]

Finally won his first game. Had a historic nil commitment. Transfer, portal class, you know, AJ Hy, Monsur, Delaine. So many guys come into the team. I could go on and on and on about even the guys on offense that we had a receiver that came in supposed to help us out. None of it happened. Baton Rouge was conquered by Texas A and M. One of the most unceremonious exits of any LSU coach I can ever remember. Kind of reminds you of a Curly Hallman type situation. Not the same tenure. Curly Hallman was a fucking desperate failure. But I would say Bus of the year is easily Brian Kelly for me.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm with that.

[Van Lathan]

That's a. That's a good argument. I. Well, I. The only thing that keeps me from doing the Penn State coaching search is that they ended up with Matt Campbell, who's not a bad coach. But I think the thing is, is that if Penn State had gone through that coaching search and ended up hiring James Franklin, they would probably feel about as good as they do having Matt Campbell, you know, and so, you know, I. I still think firing James Franklin is stupid and they're going to end up regretting it, but I also don't think that Matt Campbell's going to be a failure.

[Joel Anderson]

So.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I guess, you know, Brian Kelly, man, I. I'm still shocked that. Can you just imagine if we started out the beginning of the year and been like, by the end of the year, Brian Kelly gonna be fired.

[Billy]

Gonna be all. Gonna be fired.

[Joel Anderson]

We would have thought it was a scandal.

[Billy]

Mid season fire.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, man. There's no way we would have.

[Joel Anderson]

We wouldn't have thought it was results based.

[Van Lathan]

Or James. I mean, James Franklin too. I mean.

[Billy]

Yeah, some really shocking firings. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

So Brian Kelly.

[Billy]

Brian Kelly.

[Van Lathan]

Kelly.

[Joel Anderson]

Bust of the year.

[Billy]

Bust of the year.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Look for. You should be happy, man. You got your boy.

[Billy]

That's what it is.

[Joel Anderson]

Took some hoodoo to get him out of there.

[Billy]

I had to do it.

[Van Lathan]

That's right.

[Billy]

Magic energy work.

[Joel Anderson]

That was the H. Who do of the year? Van Le.

[Van Lathan]

Man, look at that.

[Joel Anderson]

Who do of the year?

[Billy]

Who do the year?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Billy]

Myself.

[Joel Anderson]

Another award we just put in there. Here's some other good ones. Most shocking result of the season. So here's the year. Upset of the year. Let's do it. Upset of the year. We got UCLA upsetting Penn State. Upset of the. We got Chiron Moore being fired by Michigan. That's. That's an up. That was an upset.

[Billy]

That's the sh. No, no, no, you're right. The first one was better. Shocking of the year.

[Joel Anderson]

Most shocking result.

[Billy]

Yeah, this is.

[Van Lathan]

This, that's probably.

[Joel Anderson]

That's. That's how he had it. Okay. Most shocking result. Sharon Moore being fired by Michigan. FSU upsetting Alabama.

[Billy]

These are some good ones.

[Van Lathan]

That's a good one. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Louisville upsetting Miami.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Indiana over Ohio State. So these are your most shocking.

[Billy]

All of these things are pretty shocking. It. It. Nothing. What? Well, Penn State, UCLA is really. Is really getting to me to watch it unfold.

[Van Lathan]

I was like, yeah, they don't really around and lose.

[Joel Anderson]

New Heisel getting carried off on the.

[Billy]

You know. But is there anything that can compete with the. The Sharon Moore news and how it was when it dropped and how expertly we covered it here?

[Van Lathan]

We've never. We've never ran a Sharon Moore segment after that first one, huh?

[Billy]

Oh, we're not talking about that no more. Nearly gotta. Nearly got the whole thing up. Okay. Everybody was like, you guys don't know what this was happening, right? We didn't come in. We were the. What do you call the guy from cbs? Tony Ducopel.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, that.

[Billy]

That was us. He can't even toss to the right segment right now. His wife is bad, though.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, man.

[Billy]

Yeah. Yeah. Hey, that's one of them ones.

[Van Lathan]

Katie. Man, you know, this is so funny.

[Billy]

Copel and Ter.

[Van Lathan]

I remember When I did Slow Burn, and we would have a release party in Brooklyn. Okay. And so the pr, Our publicist, who's my friend Katie, had said, man, we're going to have some people there. And I was like, oh, cool. Taylor Lorenz came. Oh, she was there. You know, people in hip hop. Tupac's ex wife came.

[Billy]

It was Tupac's ex wife.

[Van Lathan]

Yep. Keisha Morris.

[Billy]

Okay. I didn't realize Tupac was ever married.

[Van Lathan]

Tupac was married when he was at the Clinton Correctional Institute.

[Billy]

Okay. Wow. Interesting.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, yeah. Anyway, it was nice. I'm trying to remember. Easy Mo B was the dj. We had a nice little party. Okay. Anyway, my publicist said Katie Turf, she's a big fan of Slow Burn, and she might be at the party because she loves it so much. I was like, God damn, Katie. I would see Katie Turin poster, man, that'd be pretty cool. But then as I thought about it, I was like, oh, the first two seasons were about Watergate and the Clinton impeachment scandal. She didn't care about none of that nigga shit I was talking about, bro.

[Joel Anderson]

That. Honestly, you. You wrapping up that story might have been my most shocking result.

[Billy]

That. Yeah. Like what?

[Van Lathan]

What?

[Billy]

What, What?

[Van Lathan]

She didn't come.

[Joel Anderson]

She didn't come.

[Van Lathan]

But again, Taylor Lorenz came, right? I just never spoke to me. It's fine. It's cool. Like, I don't know. Beef. Woohoo. Taylor Lawrence, she seems like a whatever. Like, you know, cool. What.

[Billy]

What's happening, Joel?

[Joel Anderson]

We're in the middle of the awards segment. Most shocking result. UCLA upsetting Penn State. Cherone Moore being fired by Michigan. FSU upsetting Alabama. Louisville upsetting Miami. Indiana upsetting Ohio State. Which one those. Outside of Taylor Lorenz going to your party, which one of those upsets is the most shocking?

[Van Lathan]

Man, just think about how you. Ah, man, just. Damn, dog. The Sharon Moore thing. Because I think maybe even.

[Joel Anderson]

It's gotta be even.

[Van Lathan]

The.

[Joel Anderson]

This is the last award he's probably ever gonna win.

[Van Lathan]

You know, it's not. It's not the firing. It's what happened after that. He got arrested.

[Joel Anderson]

It's not the action. It was the reaction.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, it was like. It was. The firing was crazy. And then it was like. Like it's kind of funny, but it's not. Oh, night. Then he got arrested.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, it was funny until it wasn't funny.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, that. That was. That was a really crazy day.

[Joel Anderson]

That's the most shocking result.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Billy]

Yeah, that's the most shocking result.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, it was so shocking. We did not talk about it for a month and a half.

[Billy]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, enough of that.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Billy]

That's one of the more shocking things in sports in. Yeah, in sports, in college football that I can remember. We've seen scandals involving people that work in these organizations before, but the way that one unfolded was almost impersonated.

[Van Lathan]

Bobby. I mean, there's all Bobby Petrino, like, he's been made a fool of because he fell off a motorcycle, hurt his neck, and he showed up with a. Nate. A neck brace on, and it's like. It's a. It's like a thing. It's viral. Like, people use it as a meme, but Sharon Moore in a jumpsuit, bro, it's tough. And, bro, I'm already seeing the meme work with him. Anytime you see, like, a bad white girl on the Internet or something, there's a Sharon Moore picture right up under it.

[Billy]

Yeah, that's his legacy.

[Van Lathan]

That's his legacy.

[Joel Anderson]

Now it just means more. Most shocking results. Cherel Moore.

[Billy]

Raise the roof.

[Joel Anderson]

Raise the roof. Last time there. We love to see it. Next up, a fun one. Joel, I'm excited to hear your thoughts on this 227 award. Best tussler. Best Tussler in college football.

[Van Lathan]

Don't act like y' all never heard about tussling, man.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, well, we're. We're not only have we heard about it, we're awarding you.

[Billy]

We're awarding.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. That's how much of bigging it up. That's the MVP impact that we have here. Brian Parham, 126 total tackles, 10 and a half sacks. He's up there for the best hustler. Reuben Bane, up there for one of the best hustlers. And then David Bailey, Texas Tech, 14 and a half sacks of season. So those are the big three. Any other Tusslers, Joel, out there that we have not nominated?

[Van Lathan]

I'm gonna go with Ruby Bang, man. That's my guy, dog. His heavy ass hands, quick as shit. He's always again, and I'm gonna say it again for maybe the sixth time this season, I think he's better at his job than Fernando Mendoza is at his job. You know, Like, I think he's that good of a college football player. Ain't shit you can do with him. And the motherfucker looked like he was rock, you know what I'm saying?

[Joel Anderson]

Like, oh, he could have been.

[Billy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I was trying to explain what he looked like on the last time, and I was just like, oh, no. He just looks like a guy somebody Said in the chat, he looked like got a union job time.

[Billy]

Yep.

[Van Lathan]

You know, he don't look like a normal. And they don't. Anyway, he didn't look like Kimbo Slice, as I said.

[Billy]

Right. Okay, gotcha. Hyper, explosive, violent, really dominating player. Yeah, me, maybe the most dominating player I saw in college football this year also.

[Joel Anderson]

He had the notepad right where he would write all those notes and, like, make the drawings. And it was like, you know, psychopathic stuff on there. You know, he's like, I want to kill this guy. And you're like, I think he should be a top five pick. You know what I mean?

[Van Lathan]

I mean, that's the thing. Like, people would talk about him and he would have. Final word. It's been a long time since college football had a football player, a defensive player. That seemed kind of scary, you know what I mean?

[Billy]

That's why you. When you brought up sue, it was kind of apt that you did.

[Van Lathan]

That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Like an element of menace. Like that. He. Get your hands on a homeboy. The linebacker at Arizona State.

[Billy]

Oh, that's Burfing.

[Van Lathan]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joel Anderson]

It's just like, that's my guy. We got to get Vontes on the show.

[Van Lathan]

He's doing lv.

[Joel Anderson]

He's actually a super nice guy.

[Billy]

Yeah, but he used to put your ass, like, knock your lights out.

[Van Lathan]

He was that Bingo. Steelers game. So crazy. Like, you remember that playoff game?

[Billy]

I also remember him. I remember juju getting on his ass.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, dude.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, I mean, Antonio Brown. I mean, he had the hit on Antonio Brown that.

[Billy]

But then you. But like. Like, juju got it back in blood.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, he did. Oh, I got to see.

[Billy]

No, he. Antonio Brown up. But then juju got it back in blood like crazy. You remember that hit Smith shoes against Burfy?

[Van Lathan]

I didn't remember.

[Billy]

Yeah, juju went crazy on him.

[Van Lathan]

That was the most notable.

[Joel Anderson]

He got out of the league in time, though. Like, he still got a good head on his shoulders and everything.

[Van Lathan]

That was the most notably violent NFL game that I can remember. Like, it just.

[Joel Anderson]

I was like, God, that AFC North. Like, they used to be hit.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, across the middle, Kirkland ass, you know?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Ravens, Steelers, Browns.

[Van Lathan]

They were hitting Harrison.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, they were hitting, that's for sure. So. All right, final word. 227 award.

[Billy]

Reuben Bain, Tussle of the year.

[Joel Anderson]

Shout out. I feel like Mezador could have been up there for a Tussler as well. But we'll give it to Reuben Bain. I Feel like he earned it and he had the name recognition. Let's keep it rolling here. Beef of the year. Oh, a lot of beefs out there, man.

[Van Lathan]

This whole show, man. Okay, go ahead. What? Beef of the year.

[Joel Anderson]

Beef of the year. You don't like beef?

[Billy]

Oh, you don't like that?

[Van Lathan]

See, man? What.

[Joel Anderson]

What's beef?

[Van Lathan]

I don't trust y'. All.

[Billy]

What you mean you don't trust us?

[Van Lathan]

It's just. Just go ahead, man, for beef of the year.

[Joel Anderson]

You know what beef is?

[Billy]

Beef. Beef is when you need two gas to go to sleep.

[Van Lathan]

Yes, yes, I got you.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, that's what we're talking about.

[Billy]

Do you know, can you give us, like, what's happening here with, with. With. What's going on? Is this. Is. This is what we're doing right now. Is this usable stuff?

[Van Lathan]

I, I.

[Billy]

What.

[Joel Anderson]

What is going on?

[Van Lathan]

Why.

[Joel Anderson]

Why don't you understand beef of the year?

[Billy]

Yeah, why don't you understand beef?

[Van Lathan]

Again, just. Again, I'm just torn on, like, how silly this is. What do you mean? In what sense? You know what I'm talking about. And the thing is, it's like, I like. It's a. The bit becomes even more ridiculous as I play along with it.

[Billy]

What bit? What do you mean?

[Van Lathan]

It's a bit, dog. This is related to when I said that Belichick had a lot of beef or a lot of meat or some shit like that, right?

[Joel Anderson]

It's actually not. It's actually not.

[Billy]

This guy is the best guy ever.

[Joel Anderson]

We're talking about, like, actual, like, people that have beef.

[Billy]

Talking about people that have beef with each other.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. And do you want me to read the nominees?

[Van Lathan]

Cut that out.

[Billy]

Absolutely not.

[Joel Anderson]

Keep that in.

[Van Lathan]

Don't put that in there.

[Joel Anderson]

Beef of the Year nominees. Lane Kiffin versus Ole Miss. Okay, that is a beef. That is real. Diego Pavia versus Heisman voters. Jordan Hudson versus Pablo Torre. Oh, up there for Beef of the Year. And also Joel Anderson. This is a late addition. Joel Anderson vs. Lane Kiffin, Silver Spring. Yeah. He will meet in there and tussle. So there you go. Beef of the year, man. Your thoughts?

[Billy]

Run it down one more time.

[Joel Anderson]

All right. Lane Kiffin versus Ole Miss.

[Billy]

Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

Feels like the. The right answer. Diego Pavia versus Heisman voters. We saw a lot of strain there. Jordan Hudson versus Pablo Torre.

[Billy]

Another good one.

[Joel Anderson]

That's a really good one. And then, of course, Joel Anderson versus Lankif.

[Billy]

I would have. If it would have been Joel Anderson vs Reddit CFB, I would have been very, very.

[Joel Anderson]

I couldn't give them multiple mentions in.

[Billy]

The categories, but it's clearly Lane Kiffin versus Ole Miss. That was a opera that was playing out in college football.

[Joel Anderson]

One of the small things.

[Billy]

Yeah. That I've ever seen before.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Getting that defensive end. What's his name? Prince. The defensive end that they just.

[Billy]

Prince you.

[Van Lathan]

Prince you.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Okay. Prince. You getting him. I mean, there's gonna be, you know, some over that.

[Billy]

It seems they got a couple other guys too. And they took Frank Wilson. So it's this weird thing going on between them.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Well, I mean, it's just.

[Joel Anderson]

It's just I. I think a lot of cross pollination.

[Van Lathan]

The funny thing about this is that LSU versus Ole Miss was a fake to me. Rivalry. Like it wasn't like there was no heat around it. But now this is the kind of. That made LSU in Alabama a great rival.

[Billy]

That. That's what. But essentially birthed that as a rivalry that was of note before then. I care way more about like the Auburn game or even the Florida game.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this, like, this is what lsu, Ole Miss is going to be now. It's going to be a thing every year and that's cool. I love it when you can kind of create a real rivalry with something. So. Yeah, man, that's. I feel like that Lane shit, man. I mean the things that people are saying on social media, inferring about Lane and all this stuff, like just, you know, the, the nasty little rumors that they're spreading about each coach and what they were doing in the college towns and stuff. So like that's the kind of stuff that we enjoy as like college football fans.

[Billy]

Like the culture, the drama that keeps it, keeps it going.

[Joel Anderson]

So that's the final answer. No. No Jordan, no Pablo.

[Billy]

No Jordan. No Jordan, no Pablo.

[Van Lathan]

Jordan. Pablo is kind of heat because when you threaten to sue somebody, I mean that's some real heat though, you know.

[Joel Anderson]

Nothing has happened with that, by the way.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. You look at you, man. You just like Jordan. You. Jordan. Jordan.

[Billy]

Whose side do you take it?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, actually.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Who do you side with between Pablo and Jordan? Yeah, Pablo.

[Van Lathan]

Wow.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I actually was.

[Van Lathan]

Wow.

[Joel Anderson]

Willing to feed information if he needed it.

[Billy]

But go against North Carolina.

[Joel Anderson]

She's not North Carolina. She's against North Carolina. She's against North Carolina.

[Van Lathan]

Like she's not a real target.

[Billy]

She's not a real target.

[Van Lathan]

She.

[Billy]

She didn't, she didn't stand her ground.

[Van Lathan]

No, man.

[Joel Anderson]

She didn't have tar on her heels.

[Billy]

She didn't Stand her ground against freedom for. For black.

[Joel Anderson]

She's a different kind of ass. She's not our ass.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, it was just Miss. I mean, she looked. She looked Miss Maine. Oh, yeah.

[Billy]

That's why you don't like her.

[Van Lathan]

It's a class thing.

[Billy]

Yeah, it's a class. She was against the.

[Van Lathan]

She was what? She.

[Billy]

Yeah, she was a Tar Heels.

[Van Lathan]

I saw white people talk about each other.

[Joel Anderson]

What.

[Billy]

What happened with the tar.

[Van Lathan]

I don't know. I assume that's how they talk. I just think is when. You know, when a white person calls a white person white trash, you know what they think about black person.

[Billy]

Hold on. My dad. My dad used to say that he considered that to be. When it was white on white. He considered that to be, in his estimation, more insulting than in the N word. Because he was like, when a white man will call a. Like when white people. When you. When you are white trash. When you're not good enough for white. Yeah, because when you. My dad would be like, when you. When you're white, you're in the conversation. You're all supposed to be sitting down, eating together. You white trash. Get away from me. He's like that right there.

[Van Lathan]

Something that's.

[Billy]

That's something that's deep.

[Van Lathan]

The mark of the beast.

[Billy]

Yeah, that's. That.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's private school stuff. I'm just saying she doesn't represent North Carolina, so I'm Team Pablo, so.

[Billy]

She was.

[Van Lathan]

I like how Tate got to.

[Billy]

He was like, cleared up. I never said she was trash. Because you got to talk to. Who's the guy at the school? Lombardi. You got to talk to Vince Lombardi about that shit.

[Van Lathan]

So. So he would love for people to think that.

[Billy]

Yeah, you got. You got to talk to him about it. He was like, hey, hey, Tate. Hey, Tate. Did you call this fucking guy's girlfriend trash? I made you. Tate.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm just saying she's not North Carolina, so.

[Van Lathan]

Ok. Not North Carolina.

[Joel Anderson]

She not us. I'm saying she not us.

[Billy]

Wow.

[Van Lathan]

She not us. I mean, I just. And I do. I mean, like, you know, she. She's serious. I mean, I don't. Again, whenever you say you're gonna sue somebody, it's a big deal. This is like saying, I'm a. I'm gonna shoot you. I'm gonna fight you. I'm gonna get you out to school. Yeah, it is. Cause, like, oh, like, now I know I gotta be on the lookout for you, bro. Like, I know that there's beef. You may never actually do it, but you've alerted me to the fact that you wanna fuck with me.

[Billy]

Oh, see now you made Cameron made sense. Sense the threat in his in and of itself.

[Joel Anderson]

You're gonna get served is used.

[Billy]

You're gonna get served. It's used to establish a new dynamic in a relationship.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Billy]

Like watch yourself. Ass.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, that's right. Ass.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Billy]

Get the off me.

[Joel Anderson]

That's what Jordan said. Yeah.

[Billy]

Pablo, I'll you the up. Who you talking to?

[Van Lathan]

Yes, right.

[Billy]

What are you talking to? Don't even Pablo.

[Van Lathan]

Don't even come on my block, Pablo.

[Billy]

I hear everything you say. I hear it, I hear it. Yeah, and guess what I'm gonna do? Put a lawyer on your dumb ass punk.

[Joel Anderson]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

I talk to people too, papa.

[Billy]

Yeah, who you think I know people think I got. I got Bill Belichick with me. The you talking about like all of that Globetrotter. I don't with none of that.

[Van Lathan]

I know the hotel you stand at when you come to town.

[Billy]

Yeah. Be a Peabody Award that you. I'll get at you. I'll get at you.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm not even lying. If Jordan had that attitude and was saying all that, I'll probably be team Jordan. You guys would have swayed me. That would have been my. That would have been my pick there. But Lane versus Ole Miss. Beef of the year. Yeah. Roll it up, roll it up. Love that. Next up, this is a interesting one. Bag Drop of the Year. So, you know, a lot of people were paid in the portal as we know, but there's only two nominees here because really the only ones that worked out. Arch Manning was the highest paid, you know, didn quite work out. Texas Tech.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

One of the nominees for Bag drop of the Year. They spent all that money. They made the playoff. You know, got to give them credit. And Carson Beck, they spent a lot of money to get Carson back. They got to the national championship game. Even though it didn't end well, he did get him on the precipice of something special. So those are the two nominees for Bag drop of the Year because they both worked out any more bag drops that we want to point out.

[Billy]

So I would give it to Texas.

[Joel Anderson]

Tech only because they deserve it, I think.

[Billy]

Yeah, it's Texas Tech only because Miami played well enough at quarterback last year to make a deep playoff run. They just didn't have the defense. Yeah, really the main difference between Miami this year, Miami last year is how the defense played and what they were able to get on the edges with the pass rush. You know, there were still some remnants of their ineffectiveness defensively that were still on the team. When you see some of the stuff at corner, maybe back there in the secondary, they weren't. But the pass rush just. Just nullified, like, a lot of what those guys. They covered those guys up a little bit.

[Van Lathan]

They have a young secondary that's going to be a lot better next year. That'll be the strength of the team now that they won't have Mazador and Bane. But, yeah, I still think the Texas Tech, man.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, first of all, Also, Sorsby.

[Joel Anderson]

Got 5 million from Cincinnati, and that's in the window of our award season. So the fact that they not only bought this team, they bought a future quarterback because they had no offense.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean, just like. Like, do you know how hard it is? The reason that this is amazing and that Texas Tech was doing things this year that it never done before. Have you been to Lubbock? You know what I mean? And I'm not even trying to shit on Lubbock, but Lubbock is a long way away from Dallas and Houston. It ain't near none of the population centers, so it's hard to convince people to go out there and play. It's in a dry county, dog. Somebody pointed that out to me the other day and I was like, God damn, I forgot. Lubbock county is a dry county. So it's tough to get people out there. And despite all that, they built up a roster that was. They were good enough to compete with Oregon if they had a decent offense.

[Billy]

What did I know Lubbock for? Before I knew it from Texas Tech, was there a TV show that was shot?

[Van Lathan]

Buddy Holly, Huh?

[Billy]

Buddy Holly, was it? Buddy Holly?

[Van Lathan]

Well, there's a Buddy Holly museum there.

[Billy]

Interesting. Was there a TV show that was based out of Lubbock? I'm gonna look the TV show Sutton Lubbock. If there was, tell me. Yes, I'm gonna tell you what the show was. Was there a TV show that was set in Lubbock, Texas? Why did I know Lubbock so well?

[Van Lathan]

You gonna do a chat Jeep?

[Billy]

Are you?

[Van Lathan]

What are you doing?

[Joel Anderson]

I'm doing a Google, man.

[Billy]

Was there a TV show set in Lubbock, Texas?

[Van Lathan]

Huh?

[Joel Anderson]

There's a gym teacher with the last name Graham Lubbock for just the ten of us.

[Van Lathan]

Just the ten of us.

[Billy]

Yeah, that's what it was.

[Joel Anderson]

It wasn't just they weren't in Lubbock, Texas.

[Billy]

They weren't in love.

[Joel Anderson]

It's a common Misconception, though.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

People think they're.

[Billy]

Graham Lubbock was this guy, and he had like. Like, like 10 kids, cheaper by a dozen. And one of the kids was the lady who played Nancy on Freddy Krueger. Nancy from Freddy Krueger was on that show.

[Van Lathan]

Nancy from Freddy Krueger.

[Billy]

But her name was Nancy. For real? No, no, it wasn't. Her name was Heather.

[Van Lathan]

Heather Longen. Comp.

[Billy]

Yes, she. That's her. She played Nancy on Freddy Krueger. And I was so afraid of Freddy that. That show.

[Joel Anderson]

You thought he was.

[Billy]

I thought Freddie was coming to get this. You know what I'm saying? So, like, Justin, it wasn't. It was the Lubbock family.

[Van Lathan]

Oh. So. Okay. Right. Okay. So it wasn't the city.

[Billy]

It wasn't the city.

[Joel Anderson]

They had multiple cast members that were in the Freddy Krueger universe.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, who else?

[Joel Anderson]

Brooke Thice or Brooke Tice?

[Van Lathan]

Oh, none of these people.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Billy]

You never watched. You never watched Just the 10 of Us?

[Van Lathan]

Of course not. Just.

[Billy]

I used to watch it. I think usa, I think came on usa.

[Joel Anderson]

USA Came on usa.

[Van Lathan]

When that's one of them shows, it started to come on a clip.

[Billy]

Hold on for a second. Hold on. I'm ask. I'm g. Ask everybody.

[Joel Anderson]

It's going to lead perfectly into our next category.

[Billy]

I'mma ask everybody in the room something if they can. If they can identify the TV show that I'm talking about by what I do with my hands. Everyone, look.

[Van Lathan]

Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, heated rivalry.

[Van Lathan]

No, no, no, no. Mork and Mindy.

[Billy]

Wrong.

[Joel Anderson]

No, Mork and Mindy would be a good one.

[Van Lathan]

It's not.

[Billy]

It's not more commendy. You're on the right track. Can't. To people watching this at home. Can you name this TV show by me doing this with my hands? Oh, it's not Mork and Mindy, but you're. You're on the right track.

[Joel Anderson]

Robin Williams, incredible in the show.

[Van Lathan]

Great show.

[Joel Anderson]

Y.

[Billy]

You guys can't see it. I'm putting my index fingers together together.

[Van Lathan]

Okay.

[Billy]

The show was called out of this World, and it was about a little white girl that was half alien, half human. Her father was an alien, and he was off world.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, we need more alien shows.

[Billy]

She lived with her mom, I think, in, like, the Bay Area. Sometimes her dad would talk to her through, like, a crystal or a box or something like that, like some superman. But she could do, like, this. Freeze time.

[Van Lathan]

I'm vaguely aware of this show. This is kind of in the small world.

[Joel Anderson]

Was this, like, network TV I don't.

[Billy]

Know that it was network. This might have been another USA type. Maybe a syndication type thing. She could do like this and stop time, man.

[Van Lathan]

I remember. I. I guess ET Would have been.

[Joel Anderson]

A good answer when he did those things. Yeah, that's what. That's what I mean. Oh, wow. Burt Reynolds is on the show.

[Billy]

I don't remember him being on there.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, he was a guest star.

[Van Lathan]

They used to have some shows about little white girls.

[Billy]

My Two Dads, Little white girl.

[Van Lathan]

Little white girl.

[Billy]

Punky Brewster. Little white girl.

[Van Lathan]

Blossom.

[Billy]

Blossom. Little White.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, unfortunately, I watched all of Blossom.

[Billy]

You liked it because of Jenna Von.

[Van Lathan]

Oy. No. First of all, I didn't. The funny thing is, I didn't know.

[Billy]

Six had ass until, like, nobody knew till, like, 97.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, until 97. So I definitely wasn't watching for that. Fresh Prince was on.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

It was NBC, by the way.

[Billy]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

So Fresh Prince comes on, and then Blossom came on, and then Monday Night Football came on. Came on. So I'm really, like, during the Blossom thing, I'm not really paying attention. I'm trying to get my done so I can watch Monday Night Football.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, there you go. Because you're locked in.

[Van Lathan]

I saw a lot, but I saw a lot of Blossom.

[Billy]

So who do we vote for?

[Joel Anderson]

What's the category?

[Van Lathan]

Oh, yeah. What is the category again? Texas Tech.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Backdrop of the Year. Honestly, I just. I was trying.

[Van Lathan]

The reason there are only two categories is I'm going to break the whole artifice of this show. We recorded the other show the last week. Oh, look at Billy. Stood up like he was gonna do something. What's that you already doing? You saw how he stood up.

[Joel Anderson]

We're just like, what's the end game here? What are you trying to do?

[Van Lathan]

We recording this two hours after the previous show. And so that's why I changed clothes and everything. And also, Tate didn't have time to add more categories to this shit. Cause we're rushing two hours in between.

[Billy]

Yeah, like you. Like we. None of that's accurate. I mean, it's accurate that we're taping it after, but everything else.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I mean, we're hitting everything. Next up, Hater of the Year.

[Billy]

Hater of the Year. No.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. We actually have two nominees right here.

[Van Lathan]

I'm trying to get back at y', all, man. I don't know this. I know it won't work.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, two. Two nominees for Hater of the Year. Number one, Nick Saban. Hater of the Year. Never picked a Kurt Signetti team to Win on college game day. Hater. Really? Number two hater of the year nominee, Joel Anderson, who's just hating on the show in real time.

[Billy]

You know what I mean, Joel?

[Van Lathan]

I'm hating on y', all, not the show.

[Billy]

Joe, I love you. It's been a pleasure. You win this going away.

[Joel Anderson]

Wow. Joel, hater of the year.

[Van Lathan]

Well, I'm not voting for that. Go on and move to the next topic then.

[Joel Anderson]

You don't want to be hater of the year. You're the mvp.

[Van Lathan]

This.

[Billy]

This entire show was your idea.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, bad dog. I. Do you know the level of gaslighting y' all engaged in?

[Billy]

What?

[Van Lathan]

I mean, bro, I was like, I did not come with no Hater of the. And there's text and emails of me saying, I did not come up with this. This is not my idea. And y' all tried to convince me that I'd come up with this.

[Billy]

Right?

[Van Lathan]

I'm uncomfortable. Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

All right. Hater of the year. I think Nick Saban's hater.

[Billy]

I think Nick Saban.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, Nick Saban.

[Van Lathan]

All right.

[Joel Anderson]

Nick Saban, hater of the year, had to win something because he's important, I guess. Image makeover of the year. Virginia Tech up there for image makeover of the year.

[Billy]

James Franklin, Higher gods in the portal. All of that stuff.

[Joel Anderson]

Right? That's in there for image makeover of the year. Are there any other people. Nick Saban was up there for image makeover of the year.

[Billy]

Mario crystal ball.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, there you go.

[Billy]

Mario Crystal ball. Image. Image makeover of the year. I feel like.

[Joel Anderson]

I think that might be the right answer.

[Van Lathan]

Vanderbilt.

[Joel Anderson]

Vanderbilt was good last year, but who was the guy that decommitted from Georgia and went to Jared Curtis? There we go. That. That's an image makeover.

[Billy]

That's a huge image makeover move. And we think hard enough, we could probably. Indiana.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, Image makeover the year.

[Billy]

Image makeover, like, one of the most dominant. Texas Tech image makeover.

[Van Lathan]

Talk about Texas Tech this much ever.

[Joel Anderson]

Ever?

[Billy]

Yeah, it's very.

[Joel Anderson]

Remember, at the beginning of the season, I was actually looking back through our episodes in, like, the preseason episode, we talked about Texas Tech buying their team, and we were all like, like, what difference is it? Yeah, it's not going to work.

[Billy]

Is it. Is it possible that Texas Tech did have a moment where we talked? They've always been, you know, highline offense, all of that. I mean, Mike Leach, the Crabtree team that beat Texas.

[Van Lathan]

We were.

[Billy]

Perhaps that time was like they were flirting with being in the lead program. But they couldn't quite sustain it. You know what I mean?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. I just felt like. Yeah. Even that year and. Cause the thing is I felt like the focus is Mike Leach because is anything that Mike Leech was at the center of, it was always going to be.

[Joel Anderson]

It was gold.

[Van Lathan]

It was always.

[Joel Anderson]

Even if they didn't win, it was like a great interview. I mean Leech was just the man.

[Billy]

You just did a lot for your culture.

[Van Lathan]

But it's all. It was all about Mike. Right. This is like the head coach is even just very barely noticeable.

[Joel Anderson]

If we went around and just started asking people like who the coach of Texas Tech is, I promise I bet 1 out of 10 will get it right.

[Billy]

That's very true.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

This is Joey Maguire for the people watching.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, this is just a program that is about a program and the coach is sort of incidental to it. Like people that follow it probably would say even the gm James Blanchard is as big a deal is. You know, Joey McGuire. So. Yeah, I. I just never talked about Texas Tech as much before in my life. Used to date a girl from Texas Tech too.

[Billy]

That's what I'm talking about. Who are we going from?

[Joel Anderson]

I think it's Mario Crystal Ball. Mario Image makeover of the year. I feel like Mario Cristobal has earned it to be honest. To take Miami on the road to A and M to win that game the way they did to beat Ohio State the way that they did to then beat Ole Miss, the hottest team in the playoff to be quite. I mean outside of obviously what Indiana was doing. But I mean Ole Miss was. I mean with Chambliss, they. They look kind of unstoppable at that point to win that game.

[Billy]

The only reason why I would agree.

[Joel Anderson]

No gaffes along the way either. Right.

[Billy]

The only reason why I would agree that it was Crystal Ball is because last year's team was viewed as being soft.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, that's true.

[Billy]

Like they had losing a Syracuse. This year's team had some losses that they probably shouldn't have had. But they completely made their reputation over as being known for playing trenches based hard nose football. I'm going with Mario Crystal Ball.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm going with Crystal Ball or AKA Cristobal.

[Van Lathan]

It's which some real Cuban said that I had that right.

[Billy]

Right.

[Joel Anderson]

Billy, is that true?

[Billy]

Billy?

[Van Lathan]

Billy.

[Billy]

They.

[Van Lathan]

I ran it by Billy.

[Joel Anderson]

Billy. That's not true.

[Van Lathan]

Like I said, I don't have any friends on this show. So it's fine. My image makeover the year is Vandy. I don't agree with y' all about.

[Billy]

All right.

[Joel Anderson]

So, Vandy.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I'm. I'm.

[Joel Anderson]

You're going Vanderbilt for image makeover.

[Van Lathan]

Vandy. Vandy. Actually also kind of had expectations this year, and, you know, I don't know if they exceeded them, but they at least met them. This is the best season in school history. The first time they ever won 10 games. They were a potential playoff team. They were in.

[Joel Anderson]

I like the way they handled not making the playoffs, too.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, they went out.

[Joel Anderson]

Clark Lee handled it like a man.

[Van Lathan]

They went out and played and they didn't win.

[Joel Anderson]

Not like a hoe.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, he did not go out like a hoe. And they didn't even have their best player, Eli Stowers or the best NFL prospect.

[Billy]

All right, let's put up a good fight. We win 201.

[Joel Anderson]

So listen, Mario Cristobal. Mario Cristobal, aka Cristobal.

[Billy]

Raise the roof, Joel.

[Van Lathan]

Come on, Joel. Raise the roof.

[Joel Anderson]

Roof, Joel.

[Billy]

You gotta raise the roof, Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, I did it. All right. Comeback of the year. Only one nominee for comeback of the year here.

[Van Lathan]

One nominee.

[Joel Anderson]

One nominee here.

[Van Lathan]

That. Time to do the list.

[Joel Anderson]

No, no, no, the. The one. The one nominee for comeback of the year. Raising the roof.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, wow. Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

An incredible comeback of raising the roof.

[Billy]

See what. See what happened? He was over there acting like an.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Billy]

And then it. It came back and it got to you.

[Van Lathan]

I'm never going to be on your team this episode.

[Billy]

That's not true.

[Joel Anderson]

You're on our team. We're on the same team.

[Van Lathan]

I'm feudally trying to get back at y', all, but it's not working.

[Billy]

But anyway, look, come back.

[Joel Anderson]

You're raising the roof.

[Billy]

Listen, you decided you wanted to come to a podcast dressed like Paul Heymon, and we all like, like. And we. We. And we all appreciated that, man. We all appreciated that. The. The wise man.

[Joel Anderson]

So any other comebacks outside of raising the roof that we did not mention? I feel like raising the roof was. I mean, I've seen it everywhere, right? And maybe it's one of those things where once you see it, you see it, but it's been everywhere.

[Van Lathan]

Joel, man, that'd be great. What's up, man?

[Billy]

Not only has raising the roof come back, come back. The origin and the true.

[Joel Anderson]

The truth, context, the story.

[Billy]

The story of raising the roof. The true technique to raise a new roof.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, yeah. Like the. Not the. The commercialized version that Luke was doing. Right, right.

[Billy]

Okay, well, you call him out, he's going to respond, so be ready for that. So, like, it It. But the actual raising of the roof, that takes a roll up and puts it with a lift. Yeah, that right there.

[Van Lathan]

Origin story out of south side of Houston.

[Billy]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

1994.

[Billy]

There you go.

[Van Lathan]

Caught on in the culture for. For a few years and held it down. I've seen a lot of people say, well, we were doing that. That the late 80s or some other, and I never saw it. So. Y. Y. What when you were doing it? It didn't catch on when I did it. C. Comics were doing it.

[Billy]

What the we talking about.

[Joel Anderson]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

You know, made it the loop. You know, everybody want to be.

[Billy]

You know what that. You know, I think you're saying. I think they made it a hot line. I think you made it a hot song.

[Van Lathan]

That's right.

[Billy]

That's the we talking.

[Joel Anderson]

Should we. Should we get raising the roof? Come back of the year.

[Billy]

Come back of the year.

[Joel Anderson]

Come back of the year.

[Billy]

Rebox. You know who's never raised the roof? Not once?

[Van Lathan]

Who?

[Billy]

Freest doesn't fuck with it.

[Joel Anderson]

Freeze. You don't raise the roof.

[Billy]

Freeze. Doesn't raise the roof.

[Van Lathan]

All right.

[Joel Anderson]

Andy did it. Right. I think one of my favorite things was realizing that Joel raised the roof different than I thought you were supposed to raise the roof. You know what I mean? Like, the first time that we all raised the roof together, when Joel did the roll into the raise and had the hand underneath the elbow, that was the thing that was the difference. It was like, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Cause that's a real raise. Another roof.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Active motion.

[Joel Anderson]

I thought that was the best part. That was great. Character of the Year. We have two nominees, and they're from the same school.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, okay.

[Joel Anderson]

Michael Irvin, Character of the Year. Also nominated, from the same university, a Bella Danger, Character of the Year, man.

[Van Lathan]

Where's all these lists? I don't see any of this. No wonder, y'. All. Okay, go ahead.

[Billy]

It's a glitch.

[Van Lathan]

So this is not on the list.

[Billy]

Ah, this is a tough one. Like, this is a tough one. I gotta give it to Irvin, though. Irvin is in, like, a career resurgence. Bella's switching to a new career, right?

[Joel Anderson]

Irving, just fan.

[Billy]

Like. Like, Irvin is in a career resurgence, man.

[Joel Anderson]

Podcast on Netflix.

[Billy]

Podcast on Netflix. He's Miami's rise. He's been, like, ubiquitous in terms of, like, his being connected to the university. You see him everywhere.

[Van Lathan]

So.

[Billy]

No, no, I got to give it to Michael Irvin.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm with you.

[Van Lathan]

I want. And also, I just want to say I felt bad about the Abella Danger thing in retrospect.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. This is why I wanted to give you an opportunity to talk about this. I thought it was a very fair point.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. No, I mean, because then, you know, I saw her response to this, and she said, I wish that ESPN had not done that. And I just want to be known as a student with the University of Miami. And I was like, that is fair. Like, it's not cool in the way that she was being recognized to sort of scam likely. Huh?

[Billy]

That was scam likely.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, okay.

[Billy]

Okay. It wasn't anyone. My shit is on do not disturb, but go ahead.

[Van Lathan]

Okay.

[Billy]

Well, you thought that was her calling?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I thought you were calling her.

[Billy]

No, no, no.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, we wanted her to see your message.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Okay, cool.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

You gonna say anyway, but, yeah, I felt, like, bad because I don't want to. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Why.

[Van Lathan]

Why are people. Why is it such a joke?

[Billy]

A really nice person, a student of the school, a fan of the university, and should be able to just go watch the games and stuff like that?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, man. We just. You don't know how things affect people.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

You know what I'm saying? So, you know, it. If it feels bad bringing it up more, but it's just something to think about for next year. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Look, the good news is that next year award show, maybe not a Haters ball theme. We'll figure out a new theme while we're, you know, something nice.

[Billy]

Maybe we'll do this. Maybe we'll do this and, like, get the Gators involved as well.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Billy]

Because what I. So the fans that we have right now, the four of you guys, I.

[Joel Anderson]

Like you calling the Gators.

[Billy]

We should be.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, yeah.

[Billy]

They would say a mascot. We should be the ringer Tailgate Gators. Now, obviously, I'm not into that, because Florida, however, if it's Gators. G A G A I T E.

[Van Lathan]

R S. The thing over your face.

[Billy]

Gators. Like a gator. Then I could do that. If it's a Gator. G A T O R S. I can't really fuck with it.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Well, wait, here's the thing. Gators are as much a part of the Louisiana landscape.

[Billy]

Right. I say more.

[Joel Anderson]

I'd say more, too.

[Billy]

I say. I always say that. I say more.

[Van Lathan]

The Atafalea Basin document all this bitch.

[Billy]

It's a Chaffalaya.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, okay. And you know that I want to do a category of favorite mispronunciation.

[Billy]

It's a Chafalaya. It's the A Chaffalaya. Basic. Hold on for a second. I'm gonna take this Personally, this is where my people are from.

[Van Lathan]

Raymond from down there.

[Billy]

Like, no, this is where my people are from. Shout out to everybody from Maryguin, Rosedale, Irwindale. Shout out to Port Allen and BlackBerry. Shout out to all of the people. New Roads, Point.

[Van Lathan]

Shout out to. What do you know about New Roads and Point Compete?

[Billy]

That's where mom and them from.

[Van Lathan]

That's where my family is from.

[Billy]

That's where my mom and them family is from.

[Van Lathan]

That's where my family is literally from.

[Billy]

That's where they from. New Roads, baby. That's where my people is from. Up there. New Roads. My mom and them people.

[Van Lathan]

Your family ain't from there. For real.

[Billy]

My mama's people are from New Roads. Bachelor Walker. My mama's people are from New Roads. That's where they live.

[Van Lathan]

That's where my family literally, that's what all the. They trace it back. My family, the bells.

[Billy]

Well, the interesting thing is this. My family is from New Roads. All of that part of the. All that part, you know, Raymond's over here. All of the chapel last, after Port.

[Van Lathan]

Allen and all this other.

[Billy]

Well, I named what Mariguen because I was. Maryguin is the ancestral home of my family. That's my father's family. Everybody is from there. New Roads is where my mother's family.

[Joel Anderson]

It's a great discovery, though, that.

[Billy]

Very true family.

[Van Lathan]

Very true.

[Billy]

So. So all of those places, like, all. All of that stuff west of the Mississippi, across the river, because you got everybody that moved to Baton Rouge, you know what I'm saying? They doing their thing. South Baton Rouge, Gardier. All of that stuff. The bottom, the top. Shout out to Glen Oaks, man. You know what I'm saying?

[Van Lathan]

Okay.

[Billy]

Shout out to every. Shout out to Dixie. Shout out to Nigaville, the park. Shout out to everyone everywhere. Shout out to Sherwood. Shout out to everybody out there, man. All of those people. Shout out to Baton Rouge.

[Van Lathan]

But a Southern U grad, by the way.

[Billy]

Well, shout out to Southern. Shout out to North Bay Scenic Highway.

[Van Lathan]

The whole nine.

[Billy]

Shout out the whole D. Deal. So what I'm saying with all of that stuff is, like, when you go west, that's what a country part of my family is. That's where they really come from. Okay, west across the river.

[Van Lathan]

Well, excuse me. What is it?

[Billy]

It's a chapalaya.

[Van Lathan]

A chafalaya.

[Billy]

It's the Chapelaya Basin. Might actually be better. I call it Chapel Basin, Raimi. You know what? I invite you guys.

[Joel Anderson]

Should we go down to the basin?

[Billy]

I invade. I invite you guys. We'll do a LSU game this year. And when we do this game, yeah, I'mma take y' all over the river. I'm saying, what up to dad. Y' all don't have to do that. But, like, I'mma. But I'mma. I'mma. I'mma take. There you go. I'll take you guys, take you guys over the river. We'll say, what up to dad. And then I'mma show you Marwin. I'mma show you Raimy. I'mma show you Sparks.

[Van Lathan]

Canal Dog, you have to name all the places.

[Billy]

I'm telling you all the places I'm.

[Van Lathan]

Showing, and I'll show you some of point. Compete in new road.

[Billy]

Okay. Show me some point. No, Rose, that's just. That's just a little bit west. Yeah, it's like a little bit west. Like, go over there, do the whole thing. My grandmother used to take us over there, me and my sister, we would spend whole full days in new roads going around there. False river and the whole nine.

[Van Lathan]

Okay.

[Billy]

You been on False river before?

[Van Lathan]

I don't know. They out of McDonald's, right?

[Billy]

Yes.

[Van Lathan]

I didn't grow up there. Okay.

[Billy]

McDonald's.

[Van Lathan]

Parts of a time town that I've not been to.

[Billy]

Wait, but. But you're telling me, like I'm telling you, have you spent time on False River? On the river, doing the whole thing?

[Van Lathan]

I've not spent no time over there.

[Joel Anderson]

Back to the original point. A lot of gators down there. Yeah, we can.

[Van Lathan]

We can do gators.

[Joel Anderson]

We can do gators.

[Billy]

We can do gators. All we can do. We can do.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm pretty sure Lana Del Rey married gator man, and he's from the bottom.

[Van Lathan]

Gators in Shreveport.

[Billy]

Gators is a bunch of games. Gators down there. Heads. Gators.

[Joel Anderson]

Shout out to the gators.

[Van Lathan]

A lot of gators and gators in Texas. Yeah, lot of.

[Billy]

Because even though Houston, it's still.

[Van Lathan]

Bro. It's a bayou.

[Billy]

Texas doesn't become Texas to me until you leave Houston.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, that's right.

[Billy]

Like, in terms of the topography and.

[Van Lathan]

All, Houston and New Orleans have a funny relationship with each other that. The atten. Corridor, I like to call it. But, like, they're kind of cousins. Yeah.

[Billy]

It's like.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, even with Katrina, I mean, Houston was such a.

[Van Lathan]

Hell, yeah.

[Billy]

That's why.

[Van Lathan]

I mean. Yeah, it was just with just.

[Billy]

Yeah, bring that up.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm just saying. I mean, Houston was like a.

[Billy]

We're going to take a break. And on the other side. On the other side, we're Going to talk about 911. We're going to take a break on the other side.

[Joel Anderson]

I was trying to give Houston some love for.

[Van Lathan]

Wow, right? God damn.

[Joel Anderson]

Kraft Mac and cheese is better than 90s hip hop. We'll remind you of your childhood without making you feel. Feel incredibly old. Kraft Mac and Cheese.

[Van Lathan]

Best thing ever.

[Joel Anderson]

Shout out to the tailgaters.

[Billy]

Shout out to the gators.

[Van Lathan]

Shout out to the gators.

[Billy]

We need a. Hey, somebody draws a cool gator like a tailgater. Like Joel in a suit, like as an alligator. Like a gator tail somebody. We on the next step to the logo. If somebody draws a cool gator.

[Van Lathan]

I wish you stopped talking about. Cause I forget about it for a little bit.

[Joel Anderson]

All right, we got two more categories. Two more categories before we get out of here. Best. We got friends of the program. We talk friends of the program. So best friend of the program.

[Billy]

Oh, that's a good one.

[Joel Anderson]

Best friend of the program from this year. We got Jeff, who we had.

[Van Lathan]

He love you.

[Billy]

That's my guy. What's wrong with you? Jeff is my man. That's my guy.

[Joel Anderson]

Jeff Ketchum.

[Van Lathan]

If you don't.

[Joel Anderson]

If you didn't see the other.

[Billy]

Shout out Jeff Ketchum, man. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Loves Van.

[Billy]

Jeff Ketchum is a cool.

[Joel Anderson]

Loves the streets.

[Billy]

Joe.

[Van Lathan]

That was so hyped to see Van.

[Billy]

This is hate.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm let y' all know.

[Billy]

This is hate.

[Van Lathan]

That's not a glitch.

[Joel Anderson]

TJ Finley, best friend of the program.

[Van Lathan]

It would have to be TJ.

[Billy]

TJ Finley.

[Joel Anderson]

TJ's up there. Is there any other friends of the program?

[Billy]

Are those the only two guests that we had?

[Joel Anderson]

That's what I. That's why this category is hilarious. So that I think that's. Unless we had anybody else outstanding. That won't it. Chris Ryan is a. Is a big tailgate fan.

[Billy]

Oh, Chris Ryan loves Chris Ryan.

[Joel Anderson]

Should be up for baby. Best friend.

[Van Lathan]

I was talking to. We were talking to Chris earlier.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

But he'll text me and be like, you know, hey, Joel, loving Nico is hilarious, you know.

[Billy]

Oh, I got somebody else that could be a friend. Chris has never done.

[Van Lathan]

I've just never. I've never had any conversations with him.

[Billy]

Really?

[Joel Anderson]

Well, he. He's a fan of your Nico love.

[Billy]

Yeah, he like. Like, he. He talks about you. He go. So I never know. So this way. This is why he told me one time, like, because he was one of the really early champions of tailgate.

[Joel Anderson]

He really is.

[Billy]

He said to me, he goes, joe's not important. Enough for me to text him. But on his behalf, let me tell you that I think he's really good on the show.

[Joel Anderson]

He said it honestly.

[Van Lathan]

Let me say the first part.

[Joel Anderson]

He said it also would be hilarious if Joe wore a suit on the final show. And you guys did.

[Billy]

I got another nominee for best friend of the program. Yeah, the chat.

[Van Lathan]

Oh.

[Billy]

The chat. The chat. The chat.

[Van Lathan]

It'd be kind of up to pick TJ over the chat now.

[Billy]

It would be. Right.

[Joel Anderson]

And to be fair, TJ did have his own category. Right. So he's already gotten some love. The TJ Finley Award, we gave that out for Portal player of the year was Trinidad Chambliss. So he did have that. The chat might be the best friend of the program.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, man. I love the chat, man.

[Joel Anderson]

Joel, you. You engage with the chat more than we do.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, man. I said that's a real good way of building the show. Make people feel like they're part of it. And all them people. RD Constant Joe Isadore. I think that's what it. That's how it's on the screen. Any other people that are on.

[Billy]

What we should have done was look it up first. No, what we should have done was had a. Had Chatter of the year award.

[Van Lathan]

Mace Windu.

[Billy]

We'll do that next time. We have to kind of pay attention to it a little bit more. It probably is Joe.

[Van Lathan]

Mace Windu. He's. What's up? Shout out to him.

[Joel Anderson]

Shout out to Mace Windu.

[Van Lathan]

Do.

[Joel Anderson]

But if we do the general chat, then everybody gets.

[Billy]

Everybody.

[Joel Anderson]

Everybody.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, a lot of people. But, you know, you got to do that, man, because, like, again, like I said, Joel Clack gave out four tickets to the Rose bowl, man. We. That's the kind of people we're competing against in this. In this field. But he's got.

[Joel Anderson]

He's got Fox. He didn't. He didn't give out four tickets.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Billy]

Who could?

[Van Lathan]

Nobody don't give a. About that. They listen to his podcast, right? Yeah, they like, oh, but you know what he works with.

[Joel Anderson]

Should we get four tickets to next year's Rose bowl right now while they're cheap?

[Billy]

Well, what I would say is that. That, you know, if in fact the Rose bowl becomes sponsored by Spotify, then perhaps we could, like, do something like that. But, like, you know, Joe Clad is doing all of that, you know. You know, everybody's got their own little deal, sponsorships coming in. Look, all of that different stuff. We're with it. We'll travel around and do your whole deal. We're here to stay, baby.

[Van Lathan]

All right, well, the travel thing. We'll talk about that. Travel around. I mean, we'll see. But I definitely want some more ads. I really, really would have thought. This is a tailgate. When this first got started, I was like, we should have red cups.

[Joel Anderson]

Maybe next year we have red cups.

[Van Lathan]

And then, you know, like, have a. You know. Because you tell people Modelo is sponsoring every college football podcast. Have you noticed that, Billy?

[Billy]

You're. You're. You're upsetting Billy.

[Van Lathan]

Am I not allowed to talk about that?

[Joel Anderson]

Well, we don't have to. We don't have to pick out specific sponsors. You know what I mean?

[Van Lathan]

Oh, okay.

[Billy]

That's a glitch. Give it. Give it up to the chat.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, give it up to the chat.

[Van Lathan]

And I'm not on the sales department, by the way.

[Billy]

Just you already.

[Joel Anderson]

You're just saying the chat. The chat won for best friend of the program. Okay.

[Van Lathan]

All right.

[Joel Anderson]

The last award, because he's been such a great sport throughout the year.

[Van Lathan]

Joel.

[Joel Anderson]

You're gonna do the Joel Award, which is. You gave out the Joel Award preemptively, I believe, on the live show, which we had never heard of the Joel Award, but said led us to say, you know what? We should have Joel actually do an award. So this is the Joel Award, the final award, the most important award that we have here.

[Van Lathan]

Thank God I got a chance to prepare for a few minutes before the show.

[Joel Anderson]

Cause you wouldn't have anything.

[Van Lathan]

Cause it gave me a chance to think it through. Okay. Right. And to say who I would want to honor.

[Joel Anderson]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

I like to think of myself as a fan of labor. The little man, even, you know, Joel six pack. You know what I mean? I think of myself as a guy that fundamentally, I just go to work. I work hard, keep my head down. You know, I try to keep my boss happy, keep my wife happy, keep my kids happy. I'm just an everyday man. People. I don't even know if people think of me in that way, but that's the way I think of myself. I think of myself as just fundamentally a cog in this beautiful machine. Right.

[Joel Anderson]

I think you're more than a cog.

[Van Lathan]

Not a star, you know, whatever. But I'm doing it to make the world.

[Joel Anderson]

You're the MVP of the show.

[Billy]

MVP of Tailgate.

[Joel Anderson]

So you're about to the new logo of the gators.

[Billy]

I'm telling you, the gator is Joel.

[Van Lathan]

In a suit with the gator Tailgate. This is my. My category. Okay?

[Billy]

Please, somebody draw that.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, no, don't do that. So the thing about it is that.

[Billy]

As a gator, though, Joel as a gator with glasses.

[Van Lathan]

Don't do that.

[Billy]

You're like, Joel as a gator with glasses in a suit.

[Van Lathan]

We don't have that kind of.

[Billy]

In a suit. Watch somebody do it. Joel.

[Van Lathan]

Nobody's going to take it. Go ahead.

[Joel Anderson]

Joel awards. Joel award. Last award.

[Van Lathan]

All right, so it's like Best picture. Yeah, this is the best picture. So I think of my, you know, anyway, as a sort of a regular man. And I don't always necessarily look at everybody with all the advantages. Sometimes I look at people that, like, take the road less traveled. Maybe they had a little harder way to get to where they needed to be, and they stuck it out when the times were hard and then managed to thrive. So the Joel award is going to go to my boy, Nico Iamalia.

[Joel Anderson]

I was hoping so. Yeah, I was really hoping so.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, that he went to that school and everybody's like, that kid, man, he made such a bad mistake and he overplayed his hand. Now he's at ucla and they're gonna get. I feel like everybody was, like, laughing at him and wanting him to fail, pulling against him. And it was going so bad early in the year. I felt bad for him. I was like, man, I was kind of hoping he would kind of turn it around. And then, boom, all of a sudden they, you know, go off on that little win streak.

[Billy]

They had a little run.

[Van Lathan]

They had a little run, showed signs of life.

[Joel Anderson]

And he got hurt. I mean, that was the reason why they.

[Van Lathan]

He got hurt.

[Joel Anderson]

And he.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, man, look, the team played better, but he still was the star of the show. Like, a lot of things had to happen with him, and it showed me his grit and his character. And he's coming back next year to ucla. To ucla.

[Joel Anderson]

We're gonna have him on the show.

[Billy]

To UCLA with a brand new coach, A coach who knows how to use somebody like his. That. Use someone. Use the skill set of someone like him. Should I say he might have a breakout year?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, man. I just, I. I would like to see that kid thrive. Anybody. When people start jumping on people, you know, or, you know, I just. I just felt like it was just kind of unkind and mean to a kid who maybe did make a mistake or maybe he took bad advice or whatever, and I want to see him thrive. And so that is my. That's who my. You know, that's the kind of kids I root for. So my Joel of the year, Nico.

[Billy]

Iamaliava So I will say this about Nico Iamaliava. I do feel like the decision to leave was completely mismanaged by, by his father and some of the people that he was getting advice from. I will say this though. I feel like there was a direct effort, looking back on it, see how the season played out by the national mainstream media, parts of it and parts of the college football machine, to paint him and hold him up as the example of greed and self centeredness in college football.

[Van Lathan]

Yes.

[Billy]

In order to either intentionally, it was scare tactics to try to defeat some of the movement by the players that we are seeing.

[Joel Anderson]

I agree with that.

[Billy]

I think that that narrative over and over and over again do I think he made the smartest decision to go to ucla? Whatever. But I'm saying the narrative over and over and over again and how it was covered over and over and over again to me were the college football power brokers talking to everybody else and trying to cool off the fire of Nil and the transfer portal.

[Joel Anderson]

Yep.

[Van Lathan]

And so yeah, I'm glad you brought that up because that's something I've been mad about all fucking week. Because there's this, it's sort of the. It originated with Josh Pate, friend of Van.

[Billy]

That's my guy.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, that's your guy. Yeah. I got no beef with Pate. But anyway.

[Billy]

But Pat, one of the best college football minds in the nation.

[Van Lathan]

Very good, very good communicator. He's very great at that. Yes. He's really good podcaster. Yes. But what Pate said a lot said something along the lines that he's hearing from coaches or people that there's dozens and dozens of players that went into the portal and went, they over. They didn't get picked up by anybody. And then they went, went back to their original school to find that their spots were no longer there. This was passed on and on and on. It went viral. People in college football world talking about it. And I'm not, I'm certain that Josh Pate talks with coaches. I'm sure that he has people that he's well connected to in the business. But I don't like that shit, bro. Cause I think he is helping to try to restrain the labor market in college football. Like you said, just trying to scare these kids. And not really I don't want to say who all I've talked to about this because people reach out to me too that a lot of these schools are cutting these kids and they don't. But they can let the media do their job for them. And so say, look at all these kids trying to find their way to a different school. And they're going in the portal and they're trying to scare the like top 5 to 10% other people in the portal, but not excuse the way, the other kids that they just wash away off their rosters and shit like that. Like they want to scare those kids into place, but they want to be able to have the freedom to be like, hey, we ain't gonna have a spot for you. Go find somewhere else to go.

[Billy]

Let me, let me ask you this. I think all of that's fair. First of all, Uncle Luke was really forceful and true about the idea that these kids are. Some of these kids are getting cut and they're going to get cut, right? If there's this much movement, then you're no longer competing. This was the thing with college football, with college football is that you got on the team and you were competing against the rest of the guys on your team for playing time. You were gonna be there four years. Most likely you're competing against those guys for playing time time and maybe some guys that might come from other places. That is over now on a year to year basis, you're competing for your spot on your team with everybody in college football.

[Van Lathan]

That's right.

[Billy]

Like with, with everyone in college football. You're competing against a kid that might be playing, getting tons of playing time at a school up the road from you that's not playing your same level of football, but getting real rep snaps, all of that stuff. You complete peting with players that are more seasoned, players that are sometimes less seasoned but have better high school careers. Right. So that means that some players are going to get cut if other players become available. That's the way that that works, right?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. It's pro sports.

[Billy]

That's pro. That's pro sports. So that is definitely true. Secondly, I'll ask you, do you think that Pate made that up, that somebody told him that?

[Van Lathan]

Oh, no, I absolutely believe he heard.

[Billy]

So then I guess what if, if he heard that, then how could you not report it?

[Van Lathan]

I mean, because what's the. Why are you hiding who the schools and the programs and players are then? You know, these aren't state secrets like they used to be. And I know that Pete doesn't consider himself a journalist, but it didn't used to be that I could just pass along any rumor I heard in the name of reporting. Like when, and especially as a newspaper reporter, the standard was you can use an anonymous source when It's a really high stakes matter. And you're trying to protect Watergate.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

You're trying to protect the identity of somebody so they don't get, for their own protection, lose their job. Not just. I just want to kind of keep this quiet because I want to maintain this relationship.

[Joel Anderson]

Also, when someone would tell you something, right, you'd be like, why? Why did they want that?

[Van Lathan]

Why do they want that out there?

[Joel Anderson]

So that's more of the pushback.

[Van Lathan]

So.

[Billy]

So I understand this. This kind of thing is odd and let me tell you why it's odd when it. You know, Schefter, in sports, this threshold is different.

[Joel Anderson]

When someone tells you difference between insider and journalist. Right.

[Billy]

The difference between insider and journalist.

[Joel Anderson]

More insider.

[Billy]

This threshold is different. You sometimes have to give information to your people, you have to tell people information or you have to report on things that have happened or stuff that has gone on. Or I'll give you an example. This is an example. That's not the college football. Right.

[Van Lathan]

Okay.

[Billy]

So there was a basketball player that was supposed to go on an Aiden Ross stream, but then he told Aiden Ross that he couldn't go on that stream because. Or he told me he didn't want to go on the stream because of all the controversy over who Aiden Ross. What Aiden Ross said about Dochi and him being disrespectful and racist towards black women. Right. Like I know who that basketball player is.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, damn.

[Billy]

Like I, I know who that guy is. I know who said that. I know the stuff.

[Joel Anderson]

Don't guess, Joe. Don't guess.

[Billy]

Don't guess, Joe. If I was going to. No, shut up. If I was going to talk about that, if I was going to talk about that on higher learning, the, the, the inside information that I had about who that was and why it happened, I wouldn't name who told me that or who the player is. What would be important would is the information that that player feels like they can't go on with Aiden Ross because of all the controversy. Now Aiden himself said that. But anything else surrounding that context, how it happened, I wouldn't betray the source even to like not report on that in the same way I would at tmz, but just to give my audience the nugget, the conversation piece. And if you're hearing from coaches about players, if you're hearing stuff about Sharon Moore, if you're. That's just the way it works. They will not talk to you and you will have less information to do your show. If you do not. If you betray Those comments, and I.

[Van Lathan]

Understand that that is a different. Different standard. And he does not consider himself a journalist. I understand in the name of entertainment and content, why Josh Pate has to do that. But I also got into this business, in part, like I said, because I believe in labor. And I believe that the athletes, particularly college athletes, have been an exploited class of work forever. Forever. And I'm always gonna be on their side. And if you have a problem with it, I'm sorry, I'll meet you at the whole.

[Billy]

Oh, my God.

[Van Lathan]

Actually, now it's Wegman. Is Wegmans in Columbia?

[Billy]

You ever seen Josh before?

[Van Lathan]

Oh, I'm not gonna fight Josh.

[Joel Anderson]

He's not. He's not saying about you.

[Billy]

You were talking about pain. You were just saying you have a.

[Joel Anderson]

Problem with anything you're saying in general.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. If you have a problem with my, you know, my beliefs in the. In the labor force.

[Joel Anderson]

I see paid, like some of the clips. You know what I mean?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I don't have. I paid. Seems like a really nice guy.

[Billy]

He's a. He's a really nice.

[Joel Anderson]

He seems like he has good intentions.

[Billy]

He's a really.

[Van Lathan]

Seems like probably the friendliest Republican you can. You know.

[Billy]

He's a really nice guy. Jesus Christ. He's a nice guy. But look, though. But look, this is what. And. And. And this.

[Van Lathan]

Or not. Actually, Actually, you know what? The Duke is the friendliest Republican.

[Billy]

But let me tell you something else about us.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Billy]

Just so people know about us. I envision this show as we move on and kind of put a stamp on the end of the first season and move on to our offseason coverage. I envision this show as being a show where we're gonna go to practices at some point, where we're going to hear from coaches. People have already, like, think about it. People have already hit me up about LSU coaching moves and stuff like that. I hear stuff all the time. I envision this show as being a place that people can come and not only hang with us, but every now and again get an insider nugget. Nugget. A first look nugget and whatever. Like, I knew Southern's coach was going to be who he was going to be.

[Van Lathan]

You told us that a few days before and.

[Billy]

Right.

[Joel Anderson]

And so I scooped Bill Belichick going to Carolina.

[Billy]

Like all, like all of that stuff.

[Joel Anderson]

Called an idiot on this network.

[Van Lathan]

So.

[Billy]

So those are like. Who called you an idiot? Multiple people that work with the ringer.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

They all laughed at it.

[Billy]

Call it out.

[Joel Anderson]

No, I'm just saying Then when it happened, everyone was like, man, Bill Belichick's an idiot.

[Billy]

Hold on. Who? Somebody had words for us.

[Joel Anderson]

No, I mean, it was, it was more just like that. That would never happen. Then it did happen.

[Van Lathan]

Who said it?

[Joel Anderson]

I can't remember. It was like two years ago.

[Billy]

No, you can remember.

[Van Lathan]

You remember. You know, you don't want to say, it's fine. Don't, don't force him into you ducking it. Don't make it uncomfortable.

[Joel Anderson]

Kyrie.

[Billy]

No, but all I'm saying is, like. All I'm saying is, like, in that situation, I, I understand your point, and I do think that that happens. I honestly think. I honestly think. I see stuff like this all the time. Time. I don't want to get into all of this. I, I, I'm a big conspiracy theorist, so I think that the Sexton clan, the clan, the Sexton crew, like, all those guys, maybe they are the clan, the Sexton Clan, like, all of those people. I think that there's definitely, there's definitely some synergy. There's definitely some synergy in the messaging and all of that stuff that comes out. I'm not saying that it doesn't, but, you know, we all have, have hope to have sources that deep, Deepen our knowledge and our proximity to, to, to, like, what's going on behind the scenes.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, man, I want, Yeah, I would love to hear people for more people and be able to be more informed and pass along information, but the.

[Joel Anderson]

We got Bill getting Bob Chesney at ucla. USC already hooked us up. We're all going to. Hey, next year, we're all going to USC game.

[Billy]

All going to USC game.

[Van Lathan]

We'll see.

[Joel Anderson]

We are. Joel.

[Van Lathan]

Mike. Mike Loxley over at. Mike, Maryland. You know what I'm saying? Maybe.

[Joel Anderson]

Remember. Remember Ohio State?

[Billy]

Yeah, I mean, we got. Don't get me wrong. We, you know, we, we got people now. Yeah, we got people.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, yeah.

[Billy]

What?

[Van Lathan]

That's right. That's good.

[Billy]

Yeah, we got people. You know what? Let's. The whole thing.

[Van Lathan]

Well, anyway, yeah, the Joel Award.

[Billy]

The Joel Awards.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Nico, Nico, can we, can we raise it?

[Billy]

Raise a roof now?

[Joel Anderson]

I like that Nico. Led into a larger discussion, though. That was a nice final award. You know, kind of what the Best Picture does, right? The someone wins Best Picture, and then it starts a huge conversation.

[Van Lathan]

That's right, man. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

So that's the Joel Award.

[Van Lathan]

All right. Well, also, I was trying to be nice to you, but it was so dumb. Now, idiot.

[Billy]

What's this?

[Joel Anderson]

What is it, Joel? What's Happening.

[Van Lathan]

I was going to Green, man. So, you know, my favorite thing to do in LA is go to Bristol Farms and get the cookie, man. It's my favorite.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, Bristol Farms is great.

[Van Lathan]

Bristol Farm. So I. Last night, I wasn't. You know, I had a long day. I wasn't feeling great, and then I took. I took a nap, and then I went.

[Joel Anderson]

Stomach's feeling better now, though.

[Van Lathan]

And then I went and got to Bristol Farms late at night.

[Billy]

Joe was in the office yesterday. Just a stink pop, farting it up, leaving a trail all over the place. It was crazy, man.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, but it was coming out both hands yesterday.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, my God.

[Van Lathan]

I still. I. And I potted yesterday.

[Billy]

Yeah, you potted. We called him Joel Pot Anderson.

[Van Lathan]

Well, anyway, this box. This box has not been opened. Okay. So just so you know, so you wouldn't feel sick, you know.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

But anyway. But, yeah, so this is a. I wanted to give some to the team. Some of these cookies. My favorite cookie for y'.

[Joel Anderson]

All.

[Van Lathan]

Just so you know.

[Joel Anderson]

That's why you're the mvp.

[Billy]

That's why you're the mvp.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, I'm a razor.

[Van Lathan]

I was really grateful for this season and this podcast and you guys.

[Joel Anderson]

Us too, man.

[Van Lathan]

I feel like, you know, we're gonna be boys. You know what I'm saying?

[Billy]

Of course. We doing our thing. We going to four games next year. We're going to the Duke's house in Miami.

[Joel Anderson]

We are going to Miami.

[Van Lathan]

You only got three bedrooms.

[Joel Anderson]

We're going to three bedrooms.

[Billy]

Duke got a whole family. You got how many kids you got?

[Van Lathan]

Two.

[Billy]

Two kids. Do they have godparents? Yeah. Damn. I thought it should be us.

[Joel Anderson]

The other good news. Next year, national championship game, Las Vegas.

[Billy]

Oh, that's easy. That's easy.

[Joel Anderson]

We're taking over.

[Billy]

I'll be honest with you. If we don't. If we don't make it to Vegas.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, we're going to Vegas.

[Billy]

We're the broke ass of college football. Vegas is legitimately. Guys, you get Vegas, you could drive to Vegas on one tank of gas.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Billy]

Like. Yeah. So, like, Vegas is legitimately.

[Van Lathan]

Well, that's for you, y'. All.

[Billy]

Yeah, for you, like. Yeah, but you'd have to fly out here.

[Van Lathan]

I'd have to fly.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, but to Vegas. Easy flight. Yeah, easy flight.

[Van Lathan]

It's. It's easy for you all to leave the house. It's not as easy for me to just be gone.

[Billy]

Why?

[Joel Anderson]

For the national championship game.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, for.

[Joel Anderson]

How about the whole family comes out.

[Billy]

Yeah, bring the whole. Bring the whole family. I'll do your. Do your kids have godparents?

[Van Lathan]

No, they don't.

[Billy]

God. Dad.

[Van Lathan]

Van. Van.

[Billy]

They come up. Goddamn me and Desmond. I'll show Desmond around Vegas. He'll never be the same.

[Joel Anderson]

Should we stay on the Strip and Swede, or should we get a house in Henderson?

[Billy]

That would be.

[Van Lathan]

I've never been to Henderson.

[Joel Anderson]

Henderson's nice.

[Billy]

Henderson's very nice.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Billy]

As much as I used to. But I enjoy it while I'm there.

[Van Lathan]

Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

I used to go to Vegas a couple weeks.

[Billy]

I used to go all the time. I used to literally go four times a year. Yep.

[Van Lathan]

What's so good about it? We made it so nice. Nice.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, you can do a high end, nice, amazing version of Vegas or you can do like a, you know, CD version of it. You can do whatever you want.

[Billy]

Can I tell you what I think makes Vegas nice? I know we have to get out of here. I'm not a, like, party all night, go crazy, super drunk guy.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Billy]

But Vegas is such a competitive town.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Billy]

In terms of hospitality. That you. You will rarely get treated better.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Billy]

In most cities than you will in Vegas. If something goes wrong with your room. They on top of it. They. You ask them, where do I go? What do I do? They have all types of ideas of how to do Vegas. And they'll. When you talk to people, they're very knowledgeable. You'll say. They'll say, okay, well, you trying to turn up. And I'm like, you know what? I'm trying to get out here and enjoy myself and understand. And they'll give you the whole thing.

[Van Lathan]

It's a place downtown Vegas.

[Billy]

Downtown. The place to be taken care of, you know?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, man. That was. That was. Was less of a thing when I went more frequently. Been in a long time.

[Billy]

But I don't, like, go there. I never went there and got in the pools and done all that crazy dumbass. People passing out. It's a thousand degrees. All that crazy. That's not for me. But I do like to go there and like. Like have a little fun and have some drinks and see his show. Terry Fader.

[Van Lathan]

I don't know who this is.

[Billy]

The puppet.

[Van Lathan]

Who?

[Billy]

Terry Fader, the guy with the puppet. Puppets.

[Van Lathan]

Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

I saw Hans Zimmer last year in Vegas.

[Billy]

Hans Zimmer. I saw David Copperfield.

[Van Lathan]

Did you? For real?

[Billy]

So David Copperfield.

[Joel Anderson]

I gotta see Hillary Duff in like, three weeks there.

[Billy]

The Jabbawkies I've seen.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, yeah.

[Billy]

Jabba, Jabba.

[Van Lathan]

Y' all have really gone.

[Billy]

They dancing around yeah, let's see some shows. Go see a show. Go to. Go. Go shoot the machine guns. The whole night been the whole thing.

[Joel Anderson]

Celine Dion, when I was a kid.

[Billy]

Go to basketball game in Vegas.

[Van Lathan]

I, I really wanted to do the summer league thing and it just, I've.

[Billy]

Done that a bunch of times. That's the best weekend. Las Vegas.

[Joel Anderson]

If you go there Friday, if you go there the first Friday and you're there on a Sunday and get out clean, great time.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

And then. But if you stay too long, like I stayed there one time for like 10 days and I was like, I'm losing my mind.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, yeah. I stayed in Vegas for a 10 day stretch for work one time.

[Joel Anderson]

It'll break.

[Van Lathan]

Really Ready to go.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Billy]

I don't know what's happening on the podcast right now, but yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, it's good time. Ring your tailgate. Parting shots. Any last thoughts? The cookies were amazing. Thank you so much.

[Billy]

Amazing yet these might be. Wow.

[Joel Anderson]

Those are. Those are good cookies.

[Van Lathan]

Have you ever been to Bristol Farms?

[Billy]

Yeah, I used to go there and shoot for tmz. I saw Halle Berry there one time.

[Van Lathan]

So many people see Halle Berry in la, man.

[Billy]

Oh, she lives here.

[Van Lathan]

I know.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, man. Joel, thank you for these.

[Van Lathan]

Good to be amazing to see how Halle Berry out public dog.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, we got cookies. Billy, freeze.

[Van Lathan]

Brian is supposed to get one. Connor, whoever.

[Joel Anderson]

That's sweet. That's sweet.

[Van Lathan]

All right.

[Joel Anderson]

Hey, man, that's perfect.

[Van Lathan]

All right, we can go now. We can.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, those are the awards, the tailgate awards. We had some incredible times, an incredible season. Next week, the off season starts for us. But appreciate everybody joining in on the show. Go. We'll raise the roof one last time and we'll be back next week. Shout out to everybody for tuning in and ring. Your tailgate off season starts soon and we got some good stuff for you. So we'll. We're continuing. Joel. It's still happening.

[Van Lathan]

We got some good stuff, y'. All. We ain't playing.

[Joel Anderson]

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