The Best Team in the SEC, Johnny “Mentor” Manziel, and the Biggest Games of Week 6

Summary

Ringer Tailgate – Episode Summary

Podcast: Ringer Tailgate
Episode: The Best Team in the SEC, Johnny “Mentor” Manziel, and the Biggest Games of Week 6
Date: October 1, 2025
Hosts: Tate Frazier, Van Lathan, Joel Anderson

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the chaotic heart of the 2025 college football season as Van, Joel, and Tate hash out the ever-controversial questions of rivalry games, coaching expectations, the SEC’s best team, the Penn State conundrum, and the curious case of Johnny Manziel mentoring Diego Pavia. Expect sharp takes, irreverent banter, inside stories, and some classic Ringer chaos.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The College Football Culture Wars: Rivalry vs. the New Playoff Era

• Joel’s Take (04:22): With the expanded playoffs, fans shouldn’t treat a single regular-season loss like it’s the end of the world:

  “...this is not the old NCAA... It’s the NFL. If you are a Chiefs fan and the Chargers beat you in week one, you wouldn't be like, ‘man, Andy Reid, Pat Mahomes, man, they ain’t got it no more.’” (04:22 – 06:16)

• Van Disagrees, Defends Tradition: Van rebuts, arguing the culture and tradition of college football rivalries are unkillable, even with playoff expansion:

  “…that’s college football. College football is—Hey, Grambling went on to win the black college national championship. They're playing in the celebration bowl, but we beat them 31 to 14, baby. They suck. That’s what I’m talking about.” (08:16)

• Host Banter: Hilarious riffs ensue about fan angst, pageantry, and why, for example, Ryan Day winning national titles but losing to Michigan every year would haunt the Ohio State faithful.

Notable Moment

“I’m trying to help you. I’mma put one titty on your shoulder. …One fat man titty. And that’s gonna change your whole life. You’re not gonna say this no more.”
— Van to Joel (10:57)

2. The Penn State-James Franklin Conundrum

• Tate Explains Double Standards (16:38): Contrasts how Penn State’s patience with James Franklin differs from the expectation-laden cauldrons at OSU or Georgia:

  “James Franklin, 4 for 21 in these games…they’d have his head on a spike…But after that game, they were almost gracious, like, ‘don’t let this define his career.’” (16:38)

• Van’s Sideline Therapy (17:43): Van analyzes the postgame scene after the Penn State loss with Drew Aller:

  “He walks over to his coach…I think he’s expecting to be consoled…and James Franklin says, ‘line up.’…He’s sick of it, too.” (17:43)

• Is it Time for Hot Seats? Joel points out Franklin’s inability to “win the ones with even talent” as the separator between the good and great.

3. Who’s Actually the Best Team in the SEC?

• The Candidates:
  • Undefeated: Ole Miss, Oklahoma, A&M, Vanderbilt, Mizzou
  • But do any feel like the best? The answer is more complicated than the records.
• Joel’s Pick:

  “I think it’s Oklahoma with healthy John Mateer. …they’ve got a defense of that old Bob Stoops quality.” (25:07)

• Van’s Pick:

  “Unfortunately, it’s Alabama. The tradition won’t die there in Tuscaloosa, and we thought that it did.” (28:02)

• Ole Miss “Belief Gap”:

  “Nobody is going to believe Ole Miss until they do it, right? Like, they're just one of those programs. It’s like, nah, we don’t trust you.” — Joel (32:03)

• A&M, Mizzou, and the Rest: Respect for A&M’s big win, but skepticism remains (“nobody believes in A&M…gotta see it”).

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4. Start-Bench-Cut: Most Disrespected Undefeated Teams

Candidates: Memphis, Iowa State, Missouri

General Verdict:

• Start: Mizzou — SEC bias, actual resume, legit defense.
• Bench: Iowa State — Good wins, but yet to prove on the road.
• Cut: Memphis — Nice win streak, but “fighting for their lives with Arkansas.”
  (36:58–40:51)

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5. Fraud Detection – Season’s Biggest Disappointments

• Unanimous Choice: Clemson, with preseason hype now utterly fizzled:

  “I mean, it’s gotta be Clemson, man…there’s not a single game—the one win they have, they did not look good. Like, there’s nothing that is going well for them.” — Joel (43:00–44:11)

• Van Expounds: Not just projection—Clemson should have been good. “They are getting pushed around in spots where we did not think they would.” (45:32)
• Dabo Swinney’s Bizarre Response: On getting advice:

  “The man upstairs, that’s the only advice I need. God’s good all the time.” (46:21)

• Hosts Rib Dabo: “That statement right there was Dabo Sweeney singing Amazing Grace at the talent show. …The only reason why you bring that up is because you can’t follow it up. Okay, what did God tell you about how to run the ball?” — Van (48:47)

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6. Week 6 Big Games & Controversies

• College GameDay Controversy (53:40): FSU fans think Kirk Herbstreit is dodging Tallahassee, but it’s an ESPN/SEC bias, per Van.

  “There is no fucking way that GameDay should not be at Miami and Florida State this week…That game is one of the more important games of the entire year.” (53:40)

• Joel’s Twitter Block Saga: “He blocked me after [I joked about Army-Navy]. …That was a good tweet!” (54:55)
  • Hosts discover live on-air Herbstreit has unblocked them on Twitter (56:36)
• Favorite Games:
  • Miami vs. FSU: “That game will say so much…It might be the death knell of Florida State’s season.” — Van (58:27)
  • Texas vs. Florida: High-stakes “QB mid-off”—can Arch or Lagway get it together? “This game is...a referendum on Arch.” — Van (61:08)
  • Virginia at Louisville: “How do you summon the same urgency and energy after [last week]? ...It’s really disrespectful to Louisville. Louisville’s undefeated—and unranked.” — Joel (63:21)
  • Iowa State at Cincinnati: Underrated QB matchup, per Tate.
• Other Notables:
  • Ludacris performing at Clemson-UNC…at 9am (67:56)
  • Mississippi State-Texas A&M, Boise State-Notre Dame, Washington-Maryland (“Joel Anderson heart divided game”)

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7. Big Van on Campus: Johnny Manziel Mentoring Diego Pavia

• Initial Reaction: Some see Manziel as a cautionary tale; Van counters:

  “The perfect mentor for Diego Pavia is Johnny Manziel, someone who seemingly has been through all of those things and has come out the other side of it...not tragically gone.” (73:14)

• Van’s Life Advice Take:

  “Some of the best advice I ever got came from a crackhead.” (71:47)

• Statue Material:

  “Learn from Johnny. Don’t be Johnny. Off the field. I beat [Alabama] once. Diego’s got a chance to beat them twice. That’s the kind of shit they build statues for.” — Johnny Manziel, via Tate (74:09)

• Mentor as Dating Option?:

  “Diego Pavia’s mom finally has a date. Johnny who can take her out? Johnny Manziel.” — Van, (73:44)

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8. Parting Shots

• Van’s Plea to Brian Kelly (Coach, LSU):

  “Brian Kelly, stop with us. Tell the truth at all times…If I ask you for your Social Security number, you need to give it to me…We’re mad, okay? Brian Kelly, keep it all the way real.” (79:51)

• Joel’s Satirical Wish: Wants Arkansas to hire Jon Gruden after Sam Pittman’s firing. “Not only do Arkansas fans want this, but everybody in the SEC wants this, too.” (82:07)
• Tate’s Closing Message: Tell the truth! (“That’s our message for the day...Tell the truth. Everybody be honest, and you know—things will work out for you.” 84:21)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• “College football is...cultural warfare that exists on the football field.” — Van (12:56)
• “He’s sick of the bullshit too.” — Van on James Franklin and Drew Aller (17:43)
• “Nobody’s gonna believe Ole Miss until they do it.” — Joel (32:03)
• “The only advice I need: The man upstairs. God’s good all the time.” — Dabo Swinney (46:21)
• “Some of the best advice I ever got came from a crackhead.” — Van (71:47)
• “If he beats Alabama again for the second year...Diego Pavia has a chance to cement his legacy amongst the five great Vanderbilt football players of all time.” — Van (76:23)
• “Brian Kelly, keep it all the way real.” — Van (80:04)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [04:22] – Joel: Modern playoff era, why losses aren’t the end of the world
• [08:16] – Van: Rivalries & culture in college football
• [16:38] – Tate: Comparing Penn State’s patience with Franklin to other bluebloods
• [17:43] – Van: Franklin/Drew Aller postgame moment
• [25:07] – “Best Team in the SEC” segment begins
• [36:58] – Start-Bench-Cut: Most disrespected undefeated teams
• [43:00] – Fraud Detection: Clemson called out
• [46:21] – Dabo’s quote on “advice from above”
• [53:40] – GameDay controversy, Miami-FSU
• [58:27] – Van on Miami-FSU stakes
• [61:08] – Texas-Florida “referendum on Arch”
• [63:21] – Joel on Virginia-Louisville
• [67:56] – Ludacris to perform at 9am before Clemson-UNC
• [71:47] – Van’s “crackhead advice” story, ties to mentorship segment
• [73:14] – Van: Manziel is the perfect mentor for Pavia
• [76:23] – Van: Pavia’s possible legacy at Vanderbilt
• [79:51] – Van’s message to Brian Kelly, “keep it real”
• [82:07] – Joel: Arkansas should hire Jon Gruden
• [84:21] – Closing message: “Tell the truth. Everybody be honest…”

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Final Takeaways

This episode encapsulates what makes “Ringer Tailgate” distinctive—blending high-level analysis with wildly original commentary and a comedic sensibility. The hosts dissect the week’s biggest storylines: shifting stakes in the playoff era, rivalry culture wars, the SEC’s murky pecking order, coaching hot seats, “fraud” preseason darlings, and the role of mentorship (however questionable) in college football. If you missed the episode, this summary delivers the insights, jokes, and spirit—unfiltered and unmissable.

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Transcript

[A]

Foreign.

[B]

Welcome back to Ringer Tailgate. I'm your host, Tate Frazier. It's a beautiful Wednesday and we got a lot of college football to get to. A lot of reactions, a lot of questions, a lot of facts, a lot of overreactions, and maybe even some fraud detection. But first and foremost, let's say what's up to our guy, Van Lathan. Van, good to see you, man.

[A]

What's up, guys? I'm pump faking all day, every day. College football. Let's get back to it.

[B]

Let's get back into it. And Joel Anderson is here as well. Joel, how you doing, man?

[C]

I'm great, man. Ready to get into it too, you know, Hut one, you know, let's go, let's, let's, let's go. On snap, you know, on set, on set.

[B]

Let's go. Let's get it going. I do want to ask you guys before we get into the show here, Mo Bamba. What a great comeback for Mo Bamba. This was supposed to be a one hit wonder. We got Dan Lanning after beating Penn State in the white out, posting it to his story. We got PTA's new movie, one battle after another, dropping Mo Bamba. So Mo Bamba is back with. Which made me think to myself, what if there was a song named after a college football bust? What would that bus be? Who would that bus be? I should say, Van, do you have any names out there that come out?

[A]

Maybe Dane, Chris, you know, somebody who didn't work.

[B]

Tate Martel, potentially.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Bryce Brown.

[A]

Tate Martell would be a good one. I believed in him. After QB1 on Netflix. And then Tate. Tate was like, if Johnny Manziel never had a good season, so. But Tate Martell would be a good one. Who else? Who else is on bus? Guys. That never worked out.

[C]

So wait, does it have to be in college or. They, they don't. They just don't work out at the, at the pro level.

[B]

I mean, it could. Yeah, you could do like a Monte Ball situation, right? Or it could even be Johnny Manziel, you know what I mean? A guy that obviously was great in college, not great in the pros. Mo Bamba really wasn't great in college, but I mean, just for Mo Bamba's sake, he's not really playing basketball at a high level anymore, but the song persists, you know what I mean? So I was just trying to figure out a football version of that.

[A]

Moss made a good career for himself, though.

[C]

He's still in the league, right?

[A]

Mo's around, but I don't know if there's a football. We have to think about it. Because also, the thing about Mo Bamba is that, like, the song was really inspired because Sheck west and Mo Bamba used to hoop together.

[B]

Yeah, they were boys.

[A]

They were boys. So it's like a real thing. So when Sheck west was making a Mo Bamba song, he remembered Mo Bamba is probably like, the illest ever to live. He did. Because they were. They were playing, like, high school and like that. And so for him, Obama was probably the man.

[B]

I always go back to Seth Greenberg, when he did his comps. He's like, it's a mix of Joel Embiid and Carl Anthony Towns. Right. You know what I mean?

[C]

That's.

[A]

It's tough.

[B]

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[A]

Yeah, you guys got a midday show, you got an evening show? Yeah. Come on. Ringer tailgate, you got Todd McShay. Why don't you eat the gruel that we serve you? And I'm just joking. No, we. We got a whole strategy here, man. So shout out to MCHA in the evening.

[B]

Yeah, we love the programming, and that's how we got things rolling here. So there you go. There's a little an update there. So let's have some fun. Let's do one big reaction. I'm gonna go to you first, Joel. One big reaction from over the weekend. What stood out to you?

[C]

So I was actually thinking about this as everybody was sort of belaboring, you know, Georgia losing or Penn State losing at home and how, you know, everybody is just anguished, like, they're really hurt over this. And it's a. You know, these are existential questions they're asking about their programs. And I was thinking, you guys just don't get it, man. You don't get it. Like, this is not the old ncaa. Like, this is not old college football where you lose one big game and your season is over and it has to be determinative of the rest of the year and the trajectory of your program. It's the NFL. So, like, if. Think if you are a Chiefs fan and the Chargers beat you in week one, you wouldn't be like, man, Andy Reid, Pat Mahomes, man, they ain't got it no more. You know, what are we playing for this year? We're probably going to end up in the Meineke Car Care bowl, you know, all that kind of stuff, Right?

[B]

They'll be Tax Layer Bowl.

[C]

Yeah, the Tax. Do the Eagles fans want to lose to the Cowboys? No, but they want the. You know how they get bragging rights over the Cowboys is not over their division record. It's over winning the Super Bowl. Right? And that's kind of like the thing that happened with Ohio State last year. And it's like, you know, it's up to you guys how much you want to put on this. Because, I mean, the games can still mean a lot individually. There's still pride on the line. We still got to put tape up. You know, people filling stance. We won't put on a good show. But Ohio State, man, they lost to Michigan, and Michigan's all hype about, yeah, man, y' all won a national championship, but y' all didn't beat us, though. Okay. You know, like, I mean, this is a whole different thing now, right? Like, some. This is these. These losses are important because you can't lose too many games, but it does not have to derail your dreams. And if you are a fan like I am, which is like, I want to see my team win a national championship. If TCU happened to win a national championship one year and lost a Baylor, I'd be like, well, that's not cool. But we were national champions, though, so I don't. Yeah, I don't want any less passion. I don't want any of the games to feel less meaningful. But the fact is that they're just not as much stakes as on them as it used to be. That's fine. I just want you all to be reasonable. So Penn State, don't do anything stupid, man. Don't. Don't try to run James Franklin off. Don't do any of that stuff, man, because he's a very good coach. He lost in double overtime. These things happen. NFL fans understand that. College football fans, y' all gonna have to understand it, too.

[A]

Do you guys remember the movie There Will Be Blood?

[B]

Yeah, great one.

[A]

Yeah. You seen that one? Remember when the Standard Oil guys were trying to buy out Plainview's stuff and the Standard Oil guy says to Plainview, he says, you know, and you can take care of your family. Then Daniel says, you just tell me how to run my family. And then he says, there's one night I'm going to come into your house while you are sleeping. I'm going to cut your throat, Joel. One night I'm going to come into your house while you're sleeping and I'm going to tase you. I'm just going to. You got. You're going to think I'm doing the show from right here, and I'm going to walk up behind you for what you just said. This is a shoot you with a.

[C]

Taser hit dog, ladies and gentlemen.

[A]

That's what. And then he's going to fall over. Joe, what the fuck? No. Hell no. What are you talking about? No way. No way. Do you think that seriously. They lost to Alabama. They not going to like that. This is. You brought up Michigan and Ohio State. Let me ask you this. If Ohio State won the next three national championships in a row.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And they lost to Michigan every year. Every year, how do you think the Ohio State fan base would feel?

[C]

I think they would be attack conflicted, but they would ultimately be happy that they would national champions.

[A]

Ryan Day would. Would go down in history as a loser to Michigan. And as stupid as that seems, as ridiculous as that seems. That's college football. That's college football. College football is. Hey, Grambling went on to win the black college national championship. They're playing a celebration bowl, but we beat them 31 to 14, baby. They suck. That's what I'm talking about. That's college football. And I don't think that that's ever going to change. I think that the NFLization of college football has already happened, like you've said. But think about the pageant, the pageantry and the stakes that are surrounding a game like Alabama and Georgia. My one big reaction.

[B]

Okay, let's go.

[A]

Is that the Kirby Alabama curse is real and being underreported. Kirby was in a position to tie the football game, and he ran what could only be described as one of the worst plays I've ever seen before in my life. Got stuffed and basically gave the game to Alabama. He's. He's shook. Kirby is shook of Alabama like he's shook of him. Even in his best days, he was shook of Nick Saban. Nick Saban left the ghost of Alabama over Kirby Smart is. It's still there when. The way that, you know, somebody is shook of someone else is when they. When you endeavor into unforced errors, when you don't play, like, who you really are against someone. That's what happened against Ohio State, against Michigan last year for Ohio State. And that's what's happening right now with Kirby Smart. Something is up. Something is up, and it's because of the stakes of the individual game and what the game actually means. College football is different than the NFL. Like, only one of these teams can win a national championship, but there are a lot of mini cultural championships that still exists. So if you don't win a national championship this year, you could still say, hey, you know what? We own fucking Alabama. But you can't say that now. You know why? Cause they came to you.

[C]

If I were them, I'd be like, well, congratulations on your regular season victory. We are national champions, you know, and that's how the year is going to be remembered ultimately. You know what I'm saying? This is why. This is.

[A]

You tell me right now. The Ohio State fans don't remember losing to Michigan last year. Oh, they do.

[C]

They do.

[B]

They hear about it all the time.

[C]

I'm telling people to adjust their expectations now.

[A]

We ain't. We ain't doing that. I'm trying.

[C]

I'm trying to save you.

[A]

There's a fat guy in the back of your. There's a fat guy in the shop, man.

[C]

You know, I'm trying to help.

[A]

Behind Joe, I know you don't like on.

[C]

Your shoulder don't run him off.

[A]

I'mma put one titty on your shoulder.

[B]

The brus moment from Van.

[A]

Yeah, put one titty on Joel's shoulder. One fat man titty. And that's going to change your whole life. You going to be so scared of that. You're not going to say this no more.

[C]

I cannot believe fat man titties on me.

[A]

Far.

[B]

The beauty of playing the game, everybody.

[C]

You might get us titties.

[A]

But you seriously think that the game that you. What you're essentially saying is that the culture of the sport doesn't matter anymore. You know that, right?

[C]

No, no, no, no, no. I think that, like, those. You will never be able to make Georgia fans less angsty about losing to Alabama. That is always going to be a part of the game. The thing is, it doesn't mean that the season. It would be like Ohio State firing Ryan Day, because I think that would just be totally dumb. I'm like, no, man, he's a good coach, man. Like, this is the thing. He may work through it. When Harbaugh was. If you go back like five years ago, Michigan fans were just fit to be tired by Jim Harbaugh, man. He can't beat Ohio State. The program slipping, and they were just patient enough and they realized, hey, man, his man's putting together a canvas. You know what I'm saying? And he's painting it out, and eventually he's going to fill it out, and that's what ended up happening. So I just think that, like, sometimes great programs can get it in their head and overreact, and I'm just like, yo, bro, there's a whole season ahead of you, man. You don't have. It doesn't have to be over right now. Be mad. Make the changes you need to make. Charge up whoever need to charge up, but don't run Penn State. Do not run James Franklin off. Do not think that you're. You're a Penn State and this is 1983 or 1964, and everybody ain't. Hadn't integrated yet. Okay? Like, you don't. Don't. Don't take any chances. Now.

[B]

I got a Jim Harbaugh bobblehead for.

[A]

You guys just like him, too.

[B]

Because this is also a thing that can happen as well. If you got a really good coach, you might leave and go to the NFL since the model has changed. I mean, I think you're saying the BCS mindset, right, Joel? You want to get rid of the BCS mindset, You're in a cfp Mindset Yeah, I think that's what he's saying, man.

[A]

I know, but what I guess what I'm saying in all seriousness is that we've talked about this before. Some of this isn't about. Some of this is about the soil. It's not my team is better than you. It's my culture is better than you. It's my tradition is better than you. That just doesn't exist in the NFL because that is denoted. I guess it could for some people, but the LSU is not going to get up and go to Arizona. The school is not going to move to Arizona. It's not going to move there. There's a lot less corporate interests, business interests that are involved in here. You're not going to look up one day. I mean, the transfer portal means that you got some free agents on your team, but you're not going to look up one day and be rooting for the Phoenix LSU Tigers. It's not going to happen. Right? It. There's just so many things that happen in professional sports that make it different than what it is that we're talking about. We're talking about like generations old traditions of fighting and. And really cultural warfare that exists on the football field. If that changes. You guys don't feel like we've lost the sport, do you?

[C]

So I would, if you ask Jack Sawyer, who lost his mind after that game's up, man, trying to take that.

[B]

Oh, yeah, that was a great fight.

[C]

I thought that was humiliating. I was like, bro, man, you look y'.

[A]

All.

[C]

Y' all look. Y' all look. Y' all look pitiful. But I'm sure that the way that they think about it now instead of, man, that was the. That was the nadir of our season. Our coach almost got fired and I embarrassed myself in public like that. It'd be like that was the rallying point of our season. Like it got. It couldn't have gotten worse. And that's what catapulted us to greatness in the playoffs.

[B]

That's what he has to pick six on his old roommate Quinn, yours, right? National championship.

[C]

There's just another way to frame it, man. It doesn't have to, you know, it doesn't have to be be, you know, is fatal to a team's hopes. Van, I know. I'm seeing how you are. I'm trying to save you, man.

[B]

You know, look over your shoulder.

[C]

Not over. LSU season is not over. I'm trying to help you.

[A]

We don't have a rivalry like that. We don't have LSU here's the thing about lsu. Lsu, we don't have the. And this is kind of a. A thing with us. We don't have the one big rivalry game that you could hang your hat on in. Like that really bothers you. That really bothers you, right? We don't. We have big rivalry games, but we have a couple of different rivals. Everybody's our rival Mississippi, Mississippi's our rival, Auburn's our rival, rival Alabama is our rival Arkansas. There's the battle for the boot. We have different rivals. We don't have that one big. It's not another team in state. Ole Miss doesn't really have the football tradition to be a tremendous arrival for lsu. But in these other places, like for example, the Alabama, Georgia thing, that's popped up now, you know, these are teams that have a history together, but it's popped up now because of the storylines. The storylines is what makes that such an enticing game. Kirby Smart versus his old master. Wow. That was maybe, you know, say old master, you talking about Georgia and Alabama, maybe you say his old teacher. Kirby Smart versus old teacher, how that's going to work and just how the fan base measures itself against the success of the past. Stuff like that. It just has to matter. In college football. I wonder, I wonder what happens, because I know some of these Ohio State people. If Ryan Day were to lose her Ohio State this year, it's still an imperfect season. If you win the national championship, excuse me, Ryan Day, lose to Michigan and you lose to Michigan, it's still a season where people are going to be like, there was an underachievement there. And it seems stupid, but it's kind of what makes the sport different from the NFL.

[B]

And it goes back to the culture too, right? Because at Ohio, at Ohio State, they would actually still have him on the chopping block if he loses the Michigan again. And that brings me to the James Franklin of it all. James Franklin, 4 for 21 in these games and you're sitting there 1 for 18 in the Big Ten against top 10 ranked opponents. And they're still happy in Happy Valley. Like, they're still not. Like, if this was happening at Ohio State or happening at Georgia or happening at some other place, they would have his head on a spike and it would be all we're talking about. But it felt like after that game they were almost gracious, like, don't let this define his career. They almost had it. It was a bad read by Drew Aller. Like all the excuses were built in and they're kind of like, he's still our guy, we're okay. But at these other places, man, they'd be fired up. I, I, that's what's fascinating to me, like the, the difference in the culture and expectations at some of these places.

[A]

Yeah, I want you guys to go back and watch that game and watch the end of the game. The game is over. Drew Aller has thrown an interception to end a big game for them yet again.

[B]

Bad throw.

[C]

The whole Drew Aller, the full Drew Aller over six.

[A]

He walks over to his coach. I think he's expected, he's expecting to be consoled. I want this to be broken out. I want people to see this clip. And James Franklin says, line up. And I guess that means line up to shake hands or line up to do whatever post game thing that they do is line up. He doesn't take one second to put his hands on Drew Aller. James Franklin is sick of it fucking too. And part of it is, is, I mean, it's obviously his thing, he's the head coach. But I'm telling you guys, put this clip in. He goes, Drew Aller goes over. And in that situation, you always expect the coach to caress the side of his quarterback's face and go, hey, man, there's another, like James, he goes, line up, line up.

[B]

He should have done the Fran Brown line him up and make him run.

[A]

Like he, like he's, he's sick of the bullshit too. Look, it depends on what Penn State wants to be. They have always been one of these storied programs in college football, but they've also been, you know, maligned in ways. They've had high highs, but it wasn't like we remember them at least in our lifetime, winning a ton of national championships or whatever, but they were always right there with great recruits, a great NFL alumni system, all kinds of stuff. And if they are okay with being that, then there's no reason to be disappointed about this game. But this is a game they should have won. This is a game that they were playing up against the team with a brand new quarterback, with a revamped wide receiver room. This game, this game meant so much for Oregon. It's proof of concept of Oregon's way of running a football program. And it's also proof of concept that there's still something that Penn State cannot do to get over the hump when they are met with similar competition.

[C]

Well, that's the thing, right? That's. So this is one of the times where it's like, all right, I don't think that Penn State can or should make the seat hot for James Franklin. But if I were a Penn State fan, the thing that would always worry me is that, oh, I've never seen you. I've not really seen you do this though. Right. Because that's the thing that separates, like, the great teams, obviously, from the good ones, is that when we have roughly equivalent talent. Right. Do I win those games? Like, it's easy to beat Akron and Kent State and Villanova, Minnesota, all those other schools. It's easy to beat them because you've always got more talent. Like, there's so much more margin for error. But when the game gets tight and the talent is even, like, then it's like the coaching decisions are magnified and everything else. And like the play calls and all that. And. Yeah, and just like the mental resolve of your team. And so we have not really seen Penn State have a chance to do it. And I mean, to your point, I mean, like, again, I've said this in multiple episodes. I've yet to see Drew Aller have a good game against a good defense. And that's. I mean, that's the same thing. Now, again, I wouldn't go too crazy because Penn State did lose in double overtime, right? Look, they could.

[A]

That was a well played game.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, it was a great comeback. But I mean, they were yelling, they were chanting, fire James Franklin at one point in that game. Right? I mean, they were booing the offense as they punted the ball away. It completely flips on his head and they get the ball back. I think the worst part of that game was they get the ball, they're down six. You're saying to yourself, hey, we score. We're going to win this football game. Like, we're. This is right here for the taking. And then it's just gone in a snap, right? You know what I mean? Like, it was so quick from, like, we're right there to, it's over.

[C]

Let me ask you all this question then, because I, I'm, I'm. I seem to be the only person who feels this way, but I want to see if y' all agree with me. So the Penn State's about to pull off this great comeback. They're down 18. They're down a point. 18, 17. They scored that touchdown at the end of the fourth quarter or near the end of the fourth quarter. You know, they had to kick it away, but it's 18, 17. They kicked the extra point. I was like, why didn't y' all go for two because you're gonna have to end the game at some point. Like, you're saying right now, like, all right, we're gonna go into overtime, you're gonna get another shot at it. I'm just like, why don't you just end the game like you have an opportunity to get two yards, you're at home.

[A]

If you're at home, you think you're the better team. You play for overtime in that situation. I'm not saying that.

[C]

I'm saying, how did they know they were the better team? How would they, why would they if you thought you were the better team?

[A]

Yeah, I just think that's why they did it. You're, if you're on the road and you're trying to steal one and get out of there, or like, oh, Alabama 20, 22, LSU. When the thought there, the season played out maybe differently, the thought there is that Alabama is a better team than lsu. You got one shot to beat him. You take your one shot. Even though we were at home, the thought was, that was still an upset. And you take your shot, you call your best play, you get the two. Mason Taylor becomes an LSU legend and you win the game. And in this situation, I'm betting, I'm betting that it's like, we're at home, we're the team that, that, that's got the mojo.

[B]

Let's crowd came to life, came into.

[A]

Overtime, and at the end of the day, the cream will rise to the top.

[C]

I mean, I, I, I hear that. And I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm about 99% certain that's what was going through their heads. But I'm like, why did you think you were the better team? You know, you had made a comeback. You, you had been embarrassed the whole game. Like, Oregon really had its foot on your neck the whole game. You had to scratch and claw your way back into the game. I don't know if I would have wanted to go against him head up one more time. You're asking me. On one side, I got Dante Moore decori and Moore in the Oregon offense, and on the other side, in overtime, I'm looking for Drew Aller to make more play. If I'm as sick as that motherfucker as they appear to be, you should have been.

[A]

Drew Aller should fucking be better than Dante Moore right now. I mean, that's another thing that's going on. It's, it's, it's you. If you look at what's happening at Penn State, it's not Just that they keep losing in these games is that they keep losing in these games in.

[B]

The same way Notre Dame last year, right?

[A]

Shaky quarterback play, wide receivers who can't get open, the defense holding up, it's part of the bargain and the office just not being able to meet the moment and it a shaky play calling too. So part of this is that. And by the way you guys, whenever I go to like I'm gonna try not to blow my nose and stuff while I'm on camera, but whenever else, just get closer.

[B]

You're doing the Chris Collinsworth slide out for the, for the, for the sneeze.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. I'm just letting you guys know I'm a little bit under the weather, but I'm feeling great, but I just can't stop my nose from, from, from doing a Reggie Bush. But yeah, they, they haven't, they haven't seemed to address the reasons why they are losing these games, which to me is indicative of the fact that it's, it's systemic, which is to why they're losing them.

[B]

Well, we now know the two best teams in the Big Ten at this point, right? Ohio State and Oregon. Vance Bonus knows he's getting ready for this. But that leads us to our one big question, which is fascinating because there's a lot of people that are arguing about this right now. And the question is simple. Who's the best team in the sec? If you look right now, the SEC has five undefeated teams. Ole Miss, Oklahoma, A and M, Vanderbilt and Mizzou. But if you ask the people around, they may say another team is the best team in the sec. That's not one of those undefeated teams. Joel, I go to you, you first here. Who's the best team in the SEC right now?

[C]

So I think it's Oklahoma with healthy John Mateer. Right? Because. Yeah, no big. Oh, Mr. Mr. The best one loss team in the country is a two loss team.

[B]

I had a lot of Notre Dame people reaching out to me. Like great point Van.

[C]

Yeah. Yes man. See but I just think that there's, if, if John Mateer is healthy and he's going to be, he's not going to be hurt all year. He might. There's, I've even seen on the Internet a little bit social media and messaging Chipotle. Yeah, he might be back for that Texas game. So that would be lovely.

[A]

But what the fuck do Chipotle gotta do with it? I don't know.

[C]

Chipotle and I guess Norman over ask him, he was like, yo man, how you doing? You got to, you know, do it better. And so apparently, yeah, that's what.

[B]

That was the scoop. Yeah, it's all over.

[A]

That was him just trying to.

[B]

Oklahoma sports are going crazy about this Chipotle guy.

[A]

He told the Chipotle guy what he needed to hear to get that.

[C]

Don't you. Don't you think? Extra chicken, guac.

[A]

Anyway, he should. Well, I mean, with the nil. The guac probably not hitting his pockets like it used to be.

[C]

No problem, man. You know, Caleb Downs, man, he has a bowl at Chipotle. Did you know that?

[A]

I did not know this.

[C]

You can order it anywhere, right?

[A]

Yeah. So you were saying. No.

[C]

Yes. Anyway, so, yeah, John Mateer, man. And I finally think they've got a defense of, like, that old Bob Stoops quality. So I covered 2003 Oklahoma, which, to my eyes was the best team I'd ever seen at the time. Like, I thought they were just amazing. And that defense had, like, Tommy Harris and Derek Strait and Teddy Lehman. They were just really, really great. I feel like it's been a long time since Oklahoma had a defense it can sort of hang his hat on, and this seems to be one of them. Like, right now, they're tied for first with Texas and yards per play allowed on defense, but they've played the much tougher schedule. You know, they're the one. You know, Right.

[B]

They've actually beaten a Power 4 team.

[C]

They've actually beaten a Power 4 team. So I think it could be them. Now, the offense look questionable, and if Mattier doesn't come back, I'll take it away. And if that's not the case, then I'll probably go with. I guess Alabama is probably the best team.

[A]

But Oklahoma, you said. You said 2003 Oklahoma you thought was the best team you ever saw up.

[C]

Until the Big 12 championship.

[A]

We. But. We. But. And I just want to let everybody know something. We bust out that. Us just. Just so. Just so you thought they were the best team ever. Just so everybody. Just so everybody knows, like, they come. They. They come to New Orleans. We bust out that house. We bust. We. We busted that ass. Justin.

[C]

It wasn't.

[A]

It was Skyler Green.

[C]

Y' all weren't that great.

[A]

Marcus Spears, Michael Clayton, was it Matt, Matt. Matt. We. But did. Did we bust us? I think that us got bust. I think we bust that us.

[B]

I think Auburn then claimed the national championship also.

[C]

So, I mean, look, man, that LSU team was. I mean, whatever.

[A]

I just remember. Remember us putting some on that ass, that's all. But unfortunately, it's Alabama that sucks. Unfortunately, it's Alabama. The tradition won't die there in Tuscaloosa, and we thought that it did. I cannot explain the Florida State game now. It's just such a bizarre college football season. I cannot explain the Florida State game. Florida State has a massive prove it game coming this weekend against Miami, and we'll see what happens. But Alabama has the best win in the SEC this year. And I'm saying that because you're playing a team in Georgia that did go to Tennessee and won. I think that we know that Tennessee is a good team. Whether or not they're great or elite, we know that they are on one side of the ball. Georgia was able to win that game, although we should say they were able to win that game on a missed field goal from Tennessee. So that was a game that Tennessee was in position to win. Maybe if we look at the entirety of the Georgia team, we see some opportunities to beat them. But they played Alabama, went there and beat him at home. They beat him at home. And not only did they beat him at home, but the questions that we had about Alabama from a quarterback perspective, from the ability to run the ball perspective. I don't have the rushing numbers right in front of me, but they were able to mix it up.

[B]

Jan Miller was big having it back.

[A]

And so they were able to mix it up, get the running game going.

[B]

Kaden Proctor catching passes. I mean, crazy.

[A]

So the Kaden Proctor play is. It's a really important play for the college football season because it demonstrates the confidence in scheme and risk taking that the Kalen DeBoer offense, the Kaylen DeBoer program has right now. They have confidence in what it is that they want to do. It's the type of play that if things are going bad for a program and you run it and it doesn't work, you look crazy and everybody goes, what the fuck are you doing? Throwing out to offensive lineman and watching him fumble the ball or bounce off his hands. And it demonstrated confidence in what it is that they've run it, they've seen it, they know that it's going to work. They're back to doing what it is that they want to do. I can't explain the Florida State game, but if I'm looking at the team right now in the SEC that has the least amount of questions, it's probably. It's probably Alabama.

[B]

And that's shocking because Ole Miss feels like the team that would be the quote, unquote, right answer right now. I mean, they're ranked highest in the sec. They obviously just get the big winning at lsu, but it doesn't feel like anybody actually believes that Ole Miss is that team. Even though Lane Kiffins had a great week in the media, he's, you know, got the E60 original happening. Everyone's like, he's a different guy. He's a different Lane. We love this version of Lane. But no one said Ole Miss. No one said Ole Miss.

[A]

But we've seen other games. Yeah, because LSU couldn't run the fucking ball against them. God damn it. Because LSU couldn't run the ball against them. That doesn't matter that we've seen other games. We've seen the Ole Miss defense in other situations. We know that LSU's offense is just in Suckville right now. We've watched it. Right? We've seen it. And we also haven't seen them beat a team that's as well regarded as what Georgia would be. And if anyone right now halfway regards LSU as well as they do Georgia, you're sniffing paint thinner. LSU as a team, my beloved Tigers, we have problems everywhere. There is not one player on offense, one group on offense right now that's playing well for lsu. Not one group. Not the tight ends, not the receivers, not the halfbacks, not the O line, certainly not the quarterback and not the offensive coordinator. So an overreaction to the Ole Miss victory at home against LSU would be a mistake for the national media to make.

[C]

I agree. I mean, the thing is, is that nobody is going to believe Ole Miss until they do it, right? Like, they're just one of those programs. It's like, nah, we don't trust you.

[B]

Same with A M, Right? They're right there, A and M's at 6. So, I mean, you pick Oklahoma at 5 there, but a and M and Ole Miss are looking at us right in there, right in the eyes. And everyone's like, you could go with.

[A]

A and M, right? M is A. And they have a victory against. On the road, against Notre Dame, you could go. You could go with A and M for sure.

[C]

Yeah, that's that. I mean, that could be one of the best wins of the year. One of top three, Right? But, yeah, nobody believes in A and M. You got to see it. And so, yeah, and again with Ole Miss, man, like, they didn't look like there was that much separation between them and Kentucky and Arkansas earlier this year. You know, like, I mean, I was early in the year, but it's still within recent enough memory that I'm like, I Just need to see a little bit more data. But, yeah, man, I think between. It's just funny. Nobody's saying Texas, but I guess, you know, maybe we'll all feel differently after this weekend.

[A]

I mean, we'll see. The Texas right now has questions at the quarterback position, which seems like a stupid thing to say just from how much hype there was, but they do. So we'll see how they get it done. If they have so much talent everywhere else, all over the defense, along the offensive line, you say not a receiver. Other people say that aren't biased against whites. They say that they do have it. So what's your thoughts on Ed McCaffrey? What are your thoughts on him?

[C]

Oh, wait. Oh, Ed McCaffrey.

[A]

I'm talking about it.

[C]

I thought you talking about Christian. No, it was solid. I mean, you know, one of the best receivers.

[B]

It's a good football family.

[C]

Was Steve Larsen.

[A]

I don't got no say.

[C]

Yeah, man, I got. I don't. Just don't need to hate. I remember when Chris Collinsworth was a nice little receiver for the Bengals, man. They played against the oil.

[A]

So, yeah, in the. In the ninth grade, me and my friend Jimmy were talking, and Jimmy was telling me. Jimmy Pell. And Jimmy was telling me that like, even though black people are good in sports, they have most of the greatest of all time in sports was normally white guys. And we were having this conversation. He was like, best basketball player of all time, Pete Maravich.

[C]

Oh, man. What?

[B]

I love Pistol Pete, but I thought.

[C]

He was going Larry Bird.

[A]

He was. And then. And he goes, who's the greatest basketball player of all time? This is like, 95.

[B]

I was hoping he was gonna say koozie.

[A]

I was like, Michael Jordan. And then. And then I watched it dawn on him in real time that that was true. He goes, fuck. Well, who's the best wide receiver of all time? And I went, probably Jerry Rice. And then he goes, who's second best? And I was like, are you talking about Steve Larchett? And he's like, yeah. I'm like, bro. I'm like. I was like, you see what's happening? I was like, I'm not trying to be an asshole. This actually might have been Patrick Kavanaugh. I think it was Patrick Kavanaugh. He's like, I'm not trying to be an asshole, but like, yeah, but we had a whole. Then we had a whole Steve Larget conversation. I was like, bro, the degree to which Jerry Rice is better than Steve Larget, I'm not sure you what you want me to.

[B]

And this is just look at the yards.

[A]

Jerry Rice still had more career today. Yeah, he probably played until I was in college, you know.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Shout out to Jerry Rice. Yeah, shout out to Steve Large.

[A]

Shoot his. It was Patrick. It wasn't. It wasn't Jimmy Pal. Patrick Kavanaugh could shoot his ass off. He was a good basketball.

[B]

Gotta have something, you know? I mean, every time I checked into a game, they said shooter. I was like, damn, that's true.

[A]

You know, what's such a good.

[C]

Like. Because back in the day, you could be. You could say something like, man, George Gervin was my favorite player. You know, so, like, maybe that. That. That Pete Maravich is sort of a window into a different time in basketball fandom.

[A]

Yeah. Well, also, it's a. It's a Baton Rouge thing. Yeah.

[B]

I was like, it's LSU probably, right?

[A]

Yeah. People would whisper stories about. Did you know that Pete Marovich's mom used to drive him to school and then he would dribble the ball outside of the window of the car? And I used to be like, that's bullshit. And then it would be like. I'm like, you telling me the car is going 50 miles an hour and Pete Maravich is dribbling the ball outside? I'd be like, you. You. I was like, guys, that's. That's. That never happened. Yo, know about Pistol Pete, man?

[B]

44 points per game in college. Pistol Pete, that's the name he was.

[A]

Taking on the Pistol. I'm not.

[C]

Markle did a great biography on him. Y' all should check it out. Marriage. It's a good one.

[B]

Yeah. Great story. Great guy. Let's do a start. Bench cut. Because we talked about some undefeated teams, but we have not mentioned any of these teams. Most disrespected undefeated team in college football. We have 20 right now. I'm gonna lay up three to you guys because I feel like we haven't hit these three teams very often. Memphis. The Memphis Tigers have the longest win streak in college football. We have not talked about them really, at all. Iowa State with Rocco Beck, they look great in week zero, but we haven't really hit him very much. And then Mizzou, we were talking about SEC teams. Mizzou has not been talked about. And drink has had a good season this year. They got the construction going.

[A]

They.

[B]

They're building the stadium out. So start, bench cut those three teams. Joe, I'll go to you first.

[C]

Okay. I'm going to start Mizzou of that bunch, you know, They've beat Kansas and South Carolina. That's, you know, theoretically a pair of quality wins. And, like, they've beaten the hell out of everybody else they played. Right. They're good on offense and defense. And I often think about this, and this probably applies to Vandy, too. If Mizzou was wearing crimson and white and they had the uniform numbers on their helmet, they would be ranked higher than 19th. Like, we would be like, yeah, those would be wins that we'd be like, okay. You know, Kansas and South Carolina, those are teams that can do something. And so. But the thing is, Mizzou will have a chance. They play Bama in two weeks, so they'll know what that's like.

[B]

And Ahmad Hardy would probably be in the Heisman conversation, right?

[C]

Absolutely.

[B]

You know, if he was at any.

[C]

Other SEC team, the leading rusher, you know, but, you know, he's over 700 yards right now.

[B]

Probably the best transfer. Right? I mean, him or Carson Beck right now.

[C]

Absolutely. Absolutely. So that means I'm going to bench Iowa State, which, you know, they beat K State, Iowa and Arizona. That's fine. You know, but they haven't played two rivalry games. Yeah, they haven't played a road game yet. A true road game against the P4 program. So I'm just like, we'll see. You know, I mean, As a Big 12 partisan, I want them to do well and then cut Memphis. I mean, look, I. Shout out Memphis. I love the city, you know, saying. Spent some time there when I. You know. Penny Hardaway, you're one of my favorite players.

[B]

Back when it was Memphis State.

[C]

Yeah, back when it was Memphis State, man. Yeah. Yeah, but young Dolph, but. And of those three, they've got the best chance to go undefeated.

[A]

Dolph. Shout out. Yeah. Shout out, Dolph. Yeah. Shout out, Dolph. Shout out. Let's just shout everybody out.

[B]

Shout out. 36 Mafia Project. Hey. Adventures in Hollywood is one of the best shows on mtv.

[A]

You gotta shout out the other side, too. So you shouted out Dolph. If you don't shout out the other side, you're in danger. So shout out Yo Gotti. And all of them, too.

[C]

You know. Yo Gotti. That's right. Yo, Gotti.

[A]

Who go down there? You get pressed.

[C]

Yeah, look, I stay. I stayed on Germantown or whatever the hell it was when I was. Anyway, I've seen. Memphis is great. They'll probably go under. They have the best chance of going undefeated out of everybody on this list. But I saw y' all in a fight for Y' all life with Arkansas and they just fired that coach. So you know what I mean? Yeah, I gotta cut you.

[B]

I just wanted to get them in the mix. Van, what about you? Start, bench, cut.

[A]

Joel's order is the right order.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Not only would I start Mizzou because of SEC bias, I would also start them because I've seen them play in a game against what was looked at as a real elite player, which is Lenore Sellers, and find a way to control him. Now, Lenore Sellers hasn't been what I think a lot of people expected him to be, but the talent is still there. You saw glimpses of it in a game, but they had a defensive scheme that worked. I watched that game. It was an entertaining game. I watched that game. I think Mizzou, when I say is for real, I mean what they do good. They do it good for.

[C]

For real.

[A]

I don't know how much talent is there to compete with the upper echelon of the sec. We'll see. But I think that that's a real well constructed football team. Iowa State speaks for itself. I've liked what I've seen from them. I think they are a bit 12 team that is going to be reckoned with. Although I still think that the class of the Big 12 is Texas Tech. Still think that? Still think that. Right now you look at Texas Tech, still think that's class. Like Joe said, anytime Memphis beats an SEC team, you have to raise your eyebrow. But the SEC team that they beat was Arkansas. If you watched the game, the game was entertainment because of so many points were flying around. So I'm looking for Memphis to. To. To slip up real, real soon here. But those other two themes, I think they have a little bit more that they can hang their hat on.

[B]

Yeah, Memphis football a little bit disrespected just in general. So I wanted to give them some love. But I think you guys are right. Maybe they're the G5 team that gets in. It feels like USF is the penciled in G5.5 team right now, but it could be, you know, the Tigers, if, You know, if all things fall in their fact. Speaking of facts, first fact, Vanderbilt, Virginia are ranked in the AP Top 25 same week for the first time since October 20, 1947. And Van, do you have any 1947 facts? Anything that you know about 1947?

[A]

Anything.

[B]

Anything happening around there?

[A]

I was about to say something that was going to get us kicked off the air. That happened in 1947.

[B]

Streetcar Named Desire came out.

[A]

Marlon Brando Be something. But I won't do that.

[C]

Okay. You should put it in the chat.

[A]

Say 1947. It actually does have a little bit of a. It's weird that we're talking about it right now because, you know, we're still kind of living through the legacy of something anyway. No, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't have anything that specifically happened in 1947, but I always think about the football that was happening in 1947 because they're probably somebody that's old hard hat McGillicuddy was probably the, the starting halfback for one of those teams. Oh, Lockjaw Anderson. These are these guys names, you know what I'm saying? Do you remember the, the, the Alabama team of 1933 with old slime bucket Ferguson? It's like none of the guys had normal days.

[B]

With Hooch McGee as his number one.

[C]

Back is a good one.

[A]

Oh my God. Lord.

[B]

Yeah, but shout out to those programs. They're in the top 25 together. First time since 1947. I'm glad we were keeping track of things back then. I want to do some fraud detection here because there was a lot of preseason proclamations about a lot of guys. And I feel like at this point we know the frauds. We had potential frauds after the first couple weeks, but I think we have full on frauds now. So who's the biggest fraud so far this season based on preseason hype? Joel, based on what we've seen, who do you think is, you know, number one on that board?

[C]

I mean, I mean, it's got to be Clemson, man. Yeah, yeah, man. Clay Kubnick, this is a team. There's more. It's not just that like we were going off of projection. They returned more production than any team in the country offensively this year. With Kate Coleman coming back, that seems good. They won 10 games. Presumably they're going to get better. They won the acc, acquitted themselves well and that lost to Texas. Like it wasn't like they got run off the field, the defense allegedly loaded, you know, J.T. parker, Peter Woods, Avion Terrell was A.J. terrell's little brother. And it just hasn't worked. Like they haven't they. I mean there's not a single game. The one win they have, they did not look good. Like there's nothing that is going well for them. And so like they lost. So like you lose the lsu. Okay, we understand then. Oh, now you got to fight off Troy. Well, you know, you guys had a lightning delay Right.

[A]

That was the.

[C]

You lost to Georgia Tech in a way that suggests that they were the dominant team. And then you. And then Syracuse literally kicked your ass. Like. Like they did. Like they beat your ass straight up on your.

[A]

Busted that ass.

[C]

Busted ass, bta. Yeah. So, I mean, anybody with sense new Billichek wasn't going to be good. Like, Arch in Texas is still top 10. DJ Lagway, I think everybody understood that was a projection. Like, you know, it could have gone either way, but Clemson is pretty, pretty shitty dog. Like, that's just.

[A]

There's no sense in disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing to Joel's point. Every other person or thing on this list, team on this list, be it Arch, Bill, Kansas State, maybe not Kansas State. D.J. lagway for sure. Archbill and D.J. lagway were us projecting what they were going to be. We had faith in what we thought. Clemson already was. You know, we had seen Clemson. Clemson is a college football playoff team from last year. They lost some stuff, but at the same time, they still had that defensive line coming back. They still had that quarterback coming back. A lot of people thought, okay, they'll figure out what they're doing with their running game, and when they figure out what they're doing with their running game, they will be right there. One of the most elite teams. It just hasn't happened. Their inability to run the ball has affected them so much more than what we thought that it would. But also they are getting pushed around in spots where we did not think that they would.

[B]

Both sides of the ball.

[A]

Yeah. So it's like. It's, it's, it's baffling what's happening in Clemson. It seems like the team in some reason has a fundamental flaw or dysfunction that just doesn't allow them to play football with the nasty necessary snap that it takes to win games. So it's, it's. It's a baffling, A baffling fall from grace from them from. From last year to this year.

[B]

Yeah, we got a fraud off this weekend, right? We got Belichick versus Dabo Sweeney and Clemson. So if maybe that determines who's the biggest fraud, is it Bill Belichick or is it the Clemson Tigers with Dabo Sweeney? I have a quote from Dabo. I wanted to get your thoughts on this. He was asked if he sought advice from anyone just due to the struggle so far this season. He said this quote, the man upstairs, that's the only advice I need. God's good all the time. End quote. Joel, good answer.

[C]

You're a steady boat and rocky waters, man. I mean, Diabo got his Lord, His Lord and savior, man. So, you know, good for him. You know? That's right, Man.

[A]

Look, man, you guys. God damn it. Now you know. No, like these coaches. First of all, there's two things that I think about that. Well, the first thing is, what kind of advice did God give Dabo about football? So he asked God for advice on the game. Did God say, listen, Dabo, you need to loosen up and get into the portal more. You need to go to NC State and get Hollywood some others and bring him. Did God give him some scheme? Did God tell him? No, I wonder that. Secondly, you know what this is? Joel knows this. Tate, I don't know if you know this. This is what. This is Baton Rouge, McKinley High School, we have a talent show. That talent show is called May Night. Okay? There's May Day that we have at school. Carnival games, fun, all that stuff.

[B]

Yeah, I know May Day. I don't know May Night.

[A]

And then we have May Night. May Night is a talent show that happens at McKinley High School in the auditorium. May Night, you go there, but also you. It's. It's. It's. It's also performances like MC Nero performed at May Night one time, and one of my homeboys, his mom went crazy. MC Nero came out and she started twerking. And then that. It was over for him. His mom. His mom was there at May Night.

[B]

And MC Nero, never want your mom to twerk.

[A]

And she started popping it, and that was it for him. It was over.

[C]

Did she look like. Like Diego Pavia's mom? Something like that.

[A]

It was. It was better than what we thought it was going to be. This was one of the guys that used to try to get at you. He used to get at you and try to diss you. And then after that, his reign of terror. After his mom, she was. She also was drunk. She was drunk and popping it at May Night. Like, MC Nero came out and was like, a fool named Nero. That was his song.

[B]

Got deescalated. Bully right there. You know, let the mom pop it.

[A]

Yeah. So she was popping it. And then after his mama started popping it at midnight, it was over for him. But what I will say is the May Night talent show, if you did not want to be criticized for your singing, do you know what song you sang, Joe?

[B]

Amazing Grace.

[A]

Amazing Grace. That's the song you sing when you don't want to be criticized.

[B]

Hey, I'm a Baptist from the South.

[A]

If you criticize Me, you got to criticize God. That statement right there was Dabo Sweeney singing Amazing Grace at the talent show. God, what advice did you get? Just talk. You didn't ask somebody. Just talk about it. The only reason why you bring that up is because you can't follow it up. Okay, what did God tell you about how to run the ball? You can't ask that question now.

[C]

Now it's over, right?

[B]

Yeah, but that would be a good follow up.

[C]

God does stop making you ask questions, though. That's right. It's a real good way to deflect. And that is a tactic that worked at the amateur night at the Apollo. Like, they put a kid out there and they sing that little gospel song and everybody would kind of hold off. They like, man, you can't boo them. She's singing about, you know what I'm saying? But you know the other thing. And I thought you were going to say this Van. So, like, all right. We talk about coaches as these leaders of men. And I don't. I'm not trying to be serious, but I kind of am a little bit. Coaches are supposed to be these leaders of men. They're supposed to teach you ways to grow mature, you know, in every way. Right? That's the promise that they make to your parents or your guardians or your old coach. Whatever. I'm gonna take a man. I'm gonna take your boy and make him a man, bruh. You're having a difficult time. It's okay to seek help from some other. From somebody else. Like, it is literally okay to be like, well, you know what? I have a therapist or I have a counselor or my old coach, I hit up Gene Stallings. Is Gene Stalling still with this? I don't feel like he mean, I feel like Gene Stalls me a diary recently. So. But. But whatever. Whoever. Tommy Bowden, whoever. My og.

[A]

It's so funny.

[C]

Whatever.

[A]

You tell them to ask for help from Gene Stalls. We're not sure if it's alive. Can you imagine if the force ghosts of Gene Stalin.

[B]

Came back? Don't you put that pain on me, Dabo Sweeney.

[A]

Oh, my God. Go ahead. But you were saying, though.

[C]

No, but. Yeah, but, you know, sometimes you got.

[B]

To call the OGs up, right?

[A]

Yeah, sometimes.

[C]

I mean, just like, there's nothing wrong with seeking help. And I mean, again, like, I guess, like, you know, if you. Person of faith. Gina's alive. Good.

[A]

Gene is alive. He's 90. Shout out to Gene Stallings.

[C]

Oh, man.

[B]

Call up Blue Holtz.

[A]

Gene is a lot. You're Right. So what you're saying, there could have been a strong message that he sent to people that it is okay to reach out and get, have a meeting of the minds for these young men and that might inspire them maybe when they can't figure their out to go out. Yeah, that's very. That's a very good point. Wait, Joe. Joe, for real? Seriously? I'll just thank.

[B]

Yeah. Imagine if he just said, I called Nick Saban up. You know what I mean? Like, Clemson fans would be like, wow, Dabo is, you know, they're showing some humility here. He's reaching out to guys who have been down through some, you know, some times and trying to figure it out. But again, he decides to lean on the old package as he always does. So there you go. Well, yeah, the package of the Lord. You know what I mean?

[C]

Oh, okay. Okay, Right. Okay. I not heard. Is that a. Is that a term?

[B]

I don't know if that's a phrase.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Literally. Nuts.

[C]

Literally.

[B]

There you go. All right, we're gonna take a quick break. When we come back, we're gonna talk biggest games of week six, our favorite other matchups. We're gonna guess some storylines and we'll do some quick hitters on the way out. We'll be right back after the break. Ringer Tailgate is brought to you by FanDuel. Ready to fire up your Saturday's FanDuels. Got a boost you don't want to miss. It's called boosting with the boys and it's giving everyone a college football playoff Prof. Boost every single week. So here's how it works. Each week we're giving everyone a profit boost to use on college football. No invite only. Nonsense. Everybody gets the boost. We're talking real games, real teams, real Saturdays with an extra payout on the line. It's easy, it's fun, and guess what? It's only on FanDuel. Go to FanDuel.com Tailgate to download the app and get in on all the action. Must be 21 or older and present in select states or 18 and older and present in D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. Opt in required bonus issued as non withdrawable profit boost tokens. Restrictions apply including any token amount. See [e-mail] gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit rg-help.com call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut. All right, we're back. Biggest games of week six had a great Week five. A lot of story lines, a lot of big moments. This week we got some big games and some controversy at the top. We got Number at number 18, Florida State. We got number 16, Vanderbilt at number 10, Alabama, number 9, Texas at Florida. I want to start with that first game. There is some FSU people in my life. I have a few FSU friends and they're saying that Kirk, Herb, street, college game day. They're dodging Doe Campbell. They're saying that he is scared to get in front of the FSU fan base and that is why they're going to Vanderbilt, Alabama. Van, do you buy into this conspiracy theory that college game day does not want to go down to Florida State?

[A]

I am. I don't know if it's because of that, though. I think it's the SEC ESPN bias type of deal. There is no fucking way that game day should not be at Miami and Florida State this week. Come on, this is Baton Rouge. Sec. I've been to the stadiums. Van Lathan talking. There is no fucking way that game day should not be at Miami and Florida State. That game is one of the more important games of the entire year. To me, that game will say so much. It might be the death knell of Florida State season. Might not be. Might not be. It's for control of the acc. It'll tell us just how real each team is. And it's also a rivalry that has existed for a long time at the highest levels of college football. Going to Vanderbilt and Alabama is a fucking choice and I do not understand it.

[C]

Wow, man. I. So I was actually going to say, and far be it for me to defend Herbie who has blocked me on Twitter.

[A]

I'm blocked too.

[C]

He blocked me too.

[B]

Why are you guys blocked?

[C]

I know exactly why I got blocked.

[A]

Wait, what would Kurt, Herb Street. Hold on, guys. There are two people that have blocked me that were a gigantic mystery to me. One was Ashton Kutcher. And then I found out why Ashton Kutcher blocked me is because as soon as you got on TV at tmz, Ashton Kushner just blocked you.

[B]

Okay, Smart. That's fair.

[A]

Makes sense. Shout out to Ashton Kutcher. I have no idea why I'm blocked by Kurt Hershey on Twitter. I have no fucking clue why.

[C]

Oh, yeah, see, I know exactly why. I know exactly. So did you add him?

[B]

Like, what happened?

[C]

Yeah, well, the briefest at is that it was the week of the Army Navy game and he does this shit. I hope all these kids around the. Around the country are taking a Look at this game. So they can see what real dedication and passion and all this shit is, you know? And I just kind of like, you know, quote tweeted it about. It's like, man, they get one Saturday off, and you want to watch two and a half hours of fullback dimes. And so then he blocked. And he blocked me after that, so. I know. I know exactly why he blocked me. We were kind of. That was a good tweet, you know, but, you know, I guess. I guess it wasn't the rule against him blocking me, but. Nah, man. I mean, here's the thing, bro. He says they made death threats to him down there, you know, and given.

[B]

They make death threats in the SEC every weekend.

[C]

I know, but I mean, given.

[A]

I'm unblocked.

[C]

He's back.

[A]

Look right now and see if Kurt Hershey unblocked you.

[C]

Okay, hold on, man. Because he.

[B]

Check that out.

[C]

He was on press box recently, and, you know, I didn't. I wasn't a part of that interview.

[B]

But okay, maybe the dog's lighting him up.

[C]

Oh, man. I'm on block, too.

[A]

All right. What the hell? I just looked it up. I'm unblocked. He had me blocked. I'm unblocked.

[C]

What the fuck?

[A]

I don't give a. But it's just interesting that I like. I'm unblocked. We both got unblocked, man.

[C]

We really. You know what? I'm glad we went to. Because I was. I've been telling this story. Worry about that, man, for a long time.

[B]

When we take back what we said, he's not dodging Florida State now. Now that he unblocked you guys, he's definitely not.

[A]

I'm not. Look, look, I'm not saying that it's Kurt, Herb Street. Now, listen. Now. Now we kissing ass.

[B]

I'm saying Michael Irving all over again.

[A]

I'm saying. I'm saying. I'm saying that game day should be at Miami and Florida State. Game day should be at Miami and Florida State. That's where game day should be. That's the game. That's the game this week, man.

[C]

I hear you. I mean, I just. I don't know that I can't remember a time the game day has been at Vandy. Maybe it was when James Franklin was there. But also, man, like, this is one of those times. I'm like, it's a good thing to remind people that your words have impact. And if people end up thinking that you crazy sometimes, they may take you up on it.

[A]

Yeah, maybe.

[C]

So you know what I'm saying they'd be like, all right, man. You know, we were mad at Kirk. Herb street, we, you know, tore his ass up for them losing, you know, for him keeping us out of the playoff.

[B]

And if he comes, that was still ridiculous. 12 0. Jordan Travis got hurt.

[C]

I understand it wasn't still ridiculous. I'm a TCU fan. I know all about that. You know, about being left out of the. Being left out of the big show. I get it. But also when you say things that are crazy to people, Ban. And sometimes they take you up on that shit. So that's your fault. And also it's Florida State fault. That why they think college game day is not there. If they had gone, done what they were supposed to do and beat Virginia college game, they would have no choice but to be down there.

[B]

But then we wouldn't have our first fact with 1947. You know what I mean?

[A]

But I also could make an argument, though, and this is just for argument's sake, but I also can make an argument that the loss at Florida State, excuse me, the loss at Virginia, makes this game even more important for Florida State. Now, it would have been two undefeated teams and maybe. But now the storylines even ratchet up because they have to win this game.

[C]

To me, yep, that's true.

[A]

I don't know. Like, they, they. They have to win this game. They. For control of the acc, but also just to reassure their fan base that all of the promise that existed after beating Alabama was real. They need to win this football. Football game.

[B]

I wish we could see Michael Irvin and Peter War just kind of go out to the middle of the field for the coin toss. You know what I mean? Like, in full uniform. That would be great. I mean, I'm into that. Yeah, it's a great rivalry game.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, man, I hope Mike is going to be there. Yeah, man. Did you. This is the first time. When I heard this earlier today, this is the first time both these teams have been ranked since 2016, which is just how far. This was my favorite game as a kid. Like, as a growing. Like a. Like, you know that It's a great.

[B]

90S game when you're like 8 to 14.

[C]

Like, that was my favorite game. Just the athletes, the passion, the swagger, all of that. And it's just been sad to see, you know, like, there was. There's been brief moments when they both been good, but this is the first time in a long time where it's like, okay, like, you know, there might be something to it.

[B]

Yeah. There's a little juice in the game and obviously Miami, this is a big game for them to send a statement that they're actually one of the best teams, if not the best team in the country. Favorite other matchup on the board. Van, I'll go to you first. Who do you have?

[A]

I also want to throw out. I, I want to throw out Texas versus Florida. Just, just a, just what?

[B]

A, a quarterback mid off is what the kids are saying.

[A]

A get right game. You just, it's a, you better play well, goddamn it type of game. And by the way, man, Arch, you guys, listen, obviously Texas is the, the favorite in that game with how bad Florida has played you guys. Florida's defense is legit. That's a good defense that they have down there in Gainesville and they're going to be super duper motivated. Do not be surprised if that game is within a couple of possessions at times where you don't think that it should be, particularly if Arch can't get his shit together out there while Texas is playing. That's not going to be an easy game for Texas. And if it is an easy game, it'll say a lot about how far Arch and the office has come in the last couple of weeks. That is, of course, if DJ Lagway. Does it just throw a fucking game? No. So I know that's what is one of the bigger games in the week, but I'm going to say that Texas and Florida is a really intriguing game. You have two teams that, it seems like the strength of one team is going to define the weakness of the other. Like the strength of the Florida defense could define the weakness of the, the, the, the Texas team, which is their, their, their offense. I mean, you have these matchups and somebody's got to figure it out. Someone has to figure it out here. I expect Texas to win the game, but it'll be another referendum on Arch. And I think that's the most interesting other game that's happening this weekend.

[B]

I got two quotes for you that are related to that game. Glenn Powell, AKA Chad Powers, he said, if Texas wins the national championship this year, I think we're going to go on a dynasty run. End quote. DJ Lagway said that the Gators offense will pop soon. He said, quote, eventually it's going to pop and when it pops, it's going to be hard to stop. End quote. So Joel, based on those two quotes, do you, do you buy the hype of both these teams propagating during the week?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

No.

[C]

I mean, I actually Think it's going to be a really good game, too. I mean, so the good thing for. So there's a. There's a couple ways this could go. Florida could lose in such a fashion. And this is the thing like that. I think it's always kind of low key, tough, like when you're a team that's struggling and now you got to play at home. And it's like Florida, Florida's offense versus Texas. Defense should be one of the most lopsided matchups between Power 4 programs that you're going to see this year. Like, they, Florida's offense can't hit the broadside off a barn, you know what I'm saying? And like, Texas is that defense is amazing. And so like, you could just imagine Florida going, you know, being held to zero and it being like a minute left in the, in the first half and fans are blue on them and like, that's the way a guy gets fired. Like, that's.

[A]

That.

[C]

That is an environment where they'll be like, man, the fans are all mad. They scored zero points. Lagway is looking bad again. And all those boosters are going to be there because it's going to be a Texas game. They want to see that game. You know, I don't know how long it's been since Texas been at the Swamp, but I mean, it's been a long time. And that is a kind of game where the boosters look at each other and be like, okay, it's time.

[A]

It's not.

[B]

Yeah. And Lackaway can't redshirt anymore. We're past the four game mark. So, I mean, they've, they've crossed the line where now it's like, okay, well, he's kind of locked in for us or at least going to lose the year of eligibility. So that's the good news for Florida fans. But that should be a good game. Joel, favorite other matchup on the board.

[C]

Man, I'm going to go with this Virginia at Louisville game, man. Yeah, make it so undefeated Louisville. How do you. If you're Virginia, you've not had very many exciting things happen. Well, I mean, you've had tragic things happen to your program, but you've not had, like, great on field moments that you can call to mind in the last decade. How do you summon the same urgency and energy after that game against Florida State, Right? Like, how do you move past that? The one advantage they have is that they had an extra day of prep for this game, right? So that game was on a Friday. So they had an eight day week to go into this. But man, it's kind of weird because it's really disrespectful to Louisville. Louisville's undefeated and unranked. And again if Louisville had, you know, the old Ms. Script on their helmet or something like that, like there's no way they would be unranked.

[A]

But who've they beaten?

[C]

Let's see, let's go over it.

[B]

I had to came back and beat Pitt last week, right? The ball boy, the superstar.

[C]

They beat Pitt? Yeah man, hold on dog. I had this on my list right here.

[B]

Mason Miller, obviously coming from usc had a good start to this.

[C]

Isaac Brown, they have a really, that Isaac Brown is a great team.

[B]

One of the fastest players in the country.

[C]

Yeah, hold on, let me me, I'm look it up now. 19 and brought it up. Okay, so Louisville Cardinals. So okay, they beat Eastern Kentucky, they beat James Madison, they beat Bowling Green, the Eddie Georges and then they beat.

[B]

Pit last Shout out Pudge.

[A]

So it's a little work to do.

[C]

A little work to do. But I just kind of, I mean.

[B]

Ranked team at home, this is a game that you win now you're the number 24 team in the country and.

[C]

That tells you, I mean their favorite bottom was a touchdown over the ranked team. So I think that maybe people have undervalued Louisville and we're going to see that again. Virginia is good. Like that was a great win. I'm happy for them. Far be it for me to root for somebody from Highland Park, Texas but shout out Chad Miller. That man is, you know, done had a great, just a really interesting college experience and so I'm happy for him. But I just kind of think that you know, that Cinderella story will be over around this time next week.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah, shout out to the ACC though. That'll be a good game. I got Iowa State, Cincinnati, Brendan Sorsby. If you look at PFF right now he's ranked as the best quarterback in the country. Now I don't think many people would have Cincinnati's Brendan Source be ranked as the best quarterback in the country, but PFS set, PFF says that's the case. Also we got Rocco Becket on the other side. So it's a quarterback showdown. So I think this is going to be a fun game. I'm not sure I'm buying into Cincinnati winning this game but again could be a slip up. Maybe their offense shows up. They look good against Nebraska. That was the first game this year where we saw, you know, Pat Mahomes go to the game, it was a big stage. Obviously all Nebraska fans in the building. But Cincinnati showed up in that game, showed some signs of life. And I think in this game it'll be a good game.

[C]

It's just crazy that you say that, man, that he's the top ranked quarterback in the country. Because I remember I watched that game against Kansas last week and it was just like, just crazy offense, 1200 yards offense, like Jalen Daniels at like 450 yards passing on 18 completions. Like it was crazy. But then I was like, hey man, is that the same quarterback from the Nebraska game? Because that dude was terrible. Like I remember looking at that game against Nebraska and I was like, okay, like, you know what I'm saying?

[B]

I feel like a run first offense.

[C]

Y' all long for the days of who was homeboy? Desmond Ritter. Deader Desmond Ritter.

[A]

Desmond.

[C]

They were looking for the Desmond Ritter.

[A]

Cincinnati was humming, man. That was a Mike Denver Rock offense, was it not?

[C]

Yeah, it was.

[B]

Now Notre Dame. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, man. So I'm just like, I. I'm glad that he's doing better. So either Nebraska must have one of the best defenses in the world, but he had a real bad off night because I, I cannot believe that's the same guy.

[B]

I think he was shook by Mahomes being in the building. Some other notable games that are out there. Mississippi State at Texas A M. That should be a really good game. Boise State at Notre Dame. Again, Notre Dame got the onus to try to send a message every single week. We got number 11, Texas Tech at Houston. Washington at Maryland. A lot of people are expecting Maryland football. Joel.

[C]

Are you. That's right. That man. We got to record the show. But that's right up the street. That's like 25 minutes away. I would go, Joel, how could you.

[A]

Miss on Saturday the majesty of Maryland football? How could you allow yourself to miss.

[B]

A lot of good pressure?

[C]

Washington's coming out here too, man. So yeah, I mean, I want to see two favorite programs. A local favorite, you know. Yeah.

[B]

I'd call this the Joel Anderson heart divided game. Washington at. You should put a flag outside of your house. Minnesota at Ohio State. Number one, Ohio State. Duke at California. Michigan State at Nebraska. Clemson at unc. Did you guys see that? Ludicrous is performing at this game? Are you excited about that, Van?

[A]

The Clemson UNC game?

[B]

Yeah, he's performing before the game.

[A]

I'm with that.

[B]

It was supposed to be a college game day potential game. It was supposed to be a night game. Instead it's at 12am and Ludicrous is performing at 9.

[A]

This is funny because when Ludacris agreed to perform at this game, he thought.

[B]

It would be totally different.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Best I can do is 30 minutes.

[A]

Let you know, man, these are gonna be two good teams and everybody gonna see you now. It's gonna be six people on the CW that watch the game and Lud away Luda, hip hop legend. So they probably told Ludaluda, talk to your people and let them know that college football is a fickle and ever changing beast.

[C]

Man, he's like. And he has a nice little set too, man. That's. That's too bad. I. And I've got. I've got a credential for that game too. But again, we gotta. I gotta. I gotta stream here, man. It's too important.

[B]

Streaming is too important. Shout out to Luda for agreeing to do that. I feel like if I'm his manager and they say you're doing it at 9:30am in the quad with no fans there. I'm g. Have to pass. So he's a better man than most.

[C]

Well, he may come up with, you know, I was like, man, well, you know, Luda's come down with an illness and he won't be able to make it on Saturday. You know, you could do that and bow out gracefully. Nobody.

[B]

When I move, you move. And he's out. Just like that. There you go. Big van on campus. Let's do it.

[A]

Okay, so time I saw a story that Diego Pavia has a mentor. And that mentor, not his mom. Now, I want to let you guys know something, that in this big van on campus, there might be triggering language used because of comparisons that you guys might. You guys might make leaps and comparisons. The things that I'm not saying might be reflected in how you interpret the message of this big van on campus. So a lot of people looked at this and they go, hey, the worst person to mentor Johnny Manziel. Excuse me, to mentor Diego Pavia is Johnny Manziel. Why, Johnny Manziel was almost the same as Diego Pavia. He was this gunslinger, dual threat quarterback who beat Alabama, and it brought him the great fame. And he also had this larger than life kind of Persona that Diego Pavia also kind of has. And then it all blew up after he got a Drake tattoo and then got to the league. And it did.

[B]

Came up.

[A]

That song.

[B]

Yeah, that song came out.

[A]

Yeah, all of this stuff, you know that Bri Tiese, Johnny Manziel's ex wife, is now one of Nick Cannon's baby's moms.

[C]

I did know this, man. Yeah, I did know that.

[A]

Hollywood, full circle, man.

[B]

He's everywhere.

[C]

Don't, Don't. Matt Leiner and Blake Griffin had the same baby mom.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You don't even want to talk about that. That's TMZ knowledge right there.

[B]

Yeah, I think it's drama.

[A]

She gets to it. Shout out to her. She ran once. She wasn't. No, she wanted it once. And that shows you just how well I'm not even gonna get into it. She one of them ones. We only talk about her. She is one of them ones. I believe it. Okay. A lot of you guys would say that's bad. Diego Pavia, stay away from Johnny Manziel. Wrong. Completely wrong. And when I say this, a lot of people are going to get upset. They're going to say, van is saying this about Johnny Manziel. I'm not. Some of the best advice I ever got came from a crackhead. I'll just be honest with you. I was having a conversation and I asked somebody who was a drug addict, addicted to drugs, or what you would call. What we would call the different times of crackhead. I said, man, how did y'. All. Why did y' all fuck with crack? Why did y' all get on crack? Like, why did y' all do that? Like, that seems stupid. And he looked at me, he goes.

[B]

Was it Charlie Sheen?

[A]

He looked at me, he goes, the question isn't why we got on crack. The question is why y' all are on crack. He was like, when the crack first came out, we didn't know what it was. It was just some new stuff. It was cheaper. It was this. It was like, try the latest thing. He was like, the question is why after 10 or 15 years of our lives being destructed, why y' all are still doing it? Why y' all won't learn from what it is that has happened to us, why that's still happening? That's the question you should be asking yourself. And I remember, and my daddy looked at me. Daddy was like, fucked you up, didn't it? Cause he making sense. Cause he done been somewhere. Cause he had seen something. Because he knows wisdom. And then he can impart that wisdom of life, failure, and perseverance through that. Now, this person was still on drugs. So I didn't take all of their advice. But I will say, in this particular situation, the perfect mentor for Diego Pavia is Johnny Manziel, someone who seemingly has been through all of those things and has come out on the other side of it. Not tragically gone, not tragically fucked up, but a decent, able bodied, contributing person.

[B]

Turned into a podcaster.

[A]

Yep. If I was going to put Diego Pavia with someone, it would be Johnny Manziel. Now, you know, if, you know, they hanging out in Austin, I'd say maybe Diego Pavia don't do that. But when I saw that, I was like, yo, good for Johnny Manziel. Good for Diego Pavia. I also thought about something else. Johnny Manziel's mom finally has a date. Excuse me? Diego Pavia's mom finally has a date. Johnny who can take her out?

[C]

Sure.

[A]

Johnny Manziel. I don't think Johnny's married. Is he married?

[B]

I don't think so.

[A]

I don't think Johnny's married. Why let Theo Vaughn take your mom out when Johnny Manziel can take your mom out for a nice night? He used to be at the nice guy here in Hollywood. He used to be at all the. He knows where to take her. That's the guy that could show your mom a good time. Johnny Manziel. Why not?

[B]

I got a quote from Johnny about this. Sorry, Joe. This is what Johnny said. He said I'm like, learn from my mistakes. Learn from Johnny. Don't be Johnny. Off the field, I beat them once. Diego's got a chance to beat them twice. That's the kind of shit they build statues for. End quote. So that's what Johnny said.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. Like right now, that's what I'm saying. Anyone that's looking, he's going to be a bad influence on Diego Pavia. No, this is exactly what Diego Pavia needs to see and somebody that he needs to talk to in order to understand the pitfalls of being a small quarterback running around with a bigger than life Persona.

[C]

I like it, man. So what is going on in Diego Pavia's life that there needed to be this sort of intervention?

[B]

Oh, they're saying he's outside.

[C]

I mean, I know that Nashville.

[B]

That's what they're saying.

[C]

Apparently that Nashville nightlife is outside. You know, that's, you know, not necessarily my thing, you know what I mean? But I spent a night in Nashville last summer and I was like, okay, I kind of get it, you know what I'm saying? How people kind of get lost out here.

[A]

But them jeans is tight.

[C]

Yeah, man. I mean, you know what I'm saying? I was like, I can see the appeal.

[B]

I can see that honky donkin.

[A]

Yeah, them jeans be tight. Nice Nashville.

[C]

Yeah, man.

[A]

Hair flowing under the cowboy. Has to make you make you make a mistake.

[C]

Yeah, man.

[A]

Get disinvited to the NAACP awards.

[B]

Hey, watch out, Campbell.

[A]

You won't. You won't get invited. Van, what you doing? Not nothing, nothing. Get away from here. Kelly.

[B]

The LeBron pass off.

[A]

Yeah, the pass off. Yeah. Jesus. Tight. Nashville now.

[C]

Yeah, man. It's just funny. I mean, the Vanderbilt quarterback is a larger than life guy who. People were so worried. They were like, man, we need to. We need to bring in Johnny Manziel to talk about him. You know, I mean, just. All right, that's great. I mean, good stuff.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And Johnny's gonna be at the game. He's gonna be on the. Pavi is a legend Alabama game.

[C]

He's. He's a. He's a. He's a. No doubt college football legend. We were always. That you brought up. Remember how you brought up Bradley Van Pelt, man, is going to be that sort of college football legend that we all be talking about. Remember that time the Vanderbilt was good and he's going to keep coming up.

[A]

Especially if he wins this game. Oh, my God, you guys. Diego Pavia is a Heisman candidate. If he beats Alabama again for the second year, if he wins, if he. If he beats Alabama on the road. This game, if he beats Alabama on the road, Diego Pavia has a chance to submit his legacy amongst the five great Vanderbilt football players of all time. That I can. Was it. I can't not name it. Although I know Jay Cutler. Yeah, I used to hate him. Hate his.

[B]

Jordan Rogers, right.

[C]

Man, they had a. They had a safety man. Corey Harris, I think maybe they got.

[B]

They got some good players. We're hating right now. They got some good players, but Poppy.

[A]

Is in a different junior.

[B]

Yeah, they're in a different stratosphere if they get it.

[A]

Scotty Jr. Was good.

[C]

He was good.

[A]

Yeah, he was good. He's a good player. Yeah, Scotty.

[C]

And hey, I would tell you, when I was at ESPN, I was covering the story. Story about LiAngelo Ball, and I went to a game in Sierra Canyon, and it was at this game. Scottie Pippen was there. Larson Pippen was with him. Kanye was there. Kim was there. Derek Fisher was there.

[B]

K.J.

[C]

Martin, maybe Derek. Yeah, K.J. martin was on that team. Yeah, Derek Fish. Derek. Derek Fisher's nephew or somebody. He ended up playing at Ohio State. But they had all these cats and Cassius Stanley was on that team, too.

[A]

If people. Oh, Cassius went to Duke. I know Cassius.

[C]

Yeah, man. So it Was. It was crazy in there. Like, it was just all these celebrities on one side of the bleachers for this Sierra Canyon game. So it's kind of.

[A]

Yeah. So listen, everybody that's saying, hey, this is going to be a bad influence. Don't glass half empty this situation. Right? This is a half full glass. And Johnny, I think, is one of the perfect mentors for Diego Pavia. I think Johnny's got his head on straight. I'm happy that all of the excesses didn't get to Johnny Manziel and that didn't end in a different way. So good for him. Good for Diego. And now, you know, Johnny can't do be a full fledged dad figure. Take his mom out into town. Take his mom out, show her a good time. I'm gonna take your mama out. Show her a good time.

[C]

I want to just real quick. The reason I brought that up is because Scottie Pippen Jr. Was on that basketball team. So I didn't quite bring it right around. But Scottie Pippen Jr. Was like the fourth best player.

[A]

I went to the Sierra King.

[C]

Yeah. I was like, I kind of got. But I want to just bring that so people know why I brought that up. But anyway, yeah, man, Johnny Pop. You know, Johnny Manziel, Diego Pavia, man. It's. Man, they. You know what? I'm not gonna even say it, man, but it's just Diego Pavia, man. He got a. Whatever. You remember what Quinn and Williams. You remember Quinn? Williams was like, nah, it's okay. You know, I'm just gonna. That's what I'm gonna do right now.

[A]

Yeah, I'm with it. Okay. I'm with it. I'm with it. Way to go, Joe. We'll let the audience decide what you were gonna say.

[B]

This also feels like a. One of my favorite rivalries in college football from the past decade was Johnny Manziel versus Nick Saban, right? Like, Nick Saban was haunted by Johnny Manzel. And it does feel like Pavia is his avatar and Ty Simpson is Nick Saban's avatar. I don't know if you guys saw the speech where he's doing the Nick Saban impression. He's like, all right, we're gonna do this. All right. You know what I mean? He's, like, doing the. All right. Just like Saban. So I feel like it's an Avatar battle where it's like, Ty Simpson is Saan, Pavi is Manzel. Manzel's on the sidelines. Nick Saban's on the sidelines with Game day. It's gonna be a good matchup. I'm excited.

[A]

Be a good matchup. Not gonna be an easy game to win. So we'll see how. How V brings it. Yeah.

[B]

Love it. All right, parting shots. Last thing before we get out of here. Van. Any last thoughts before we get ready for Saturday?

[A]

Last thought I'll say, is this. And I hope they hear the sound of my voice. And. Brian Kelly, stop.

[B]

He's got a Taser.

[A]

Wow. Okay, Brian Kelly, stop with us. Tell the truth at all times. Don't talk down to us, Brian Kelly. You're not in any position to talk down to the LSU fan base. Brian Kelly. If I ask you for your Social Security number, if I ask you right now for your Social Security number, you need to give it to me all the digits. If I ask you for his blood type, you need to give it all the information that the LSU fan base needs for anything ever. Brian Kelly, just give up the information. If somebody asks you whether or not Garrett Nussmeier is healthy or injured, don't flame them. Don't look like this is ridiculous. Answer the fucking question and be truthful about it. We're mad, okay? And you don't understand. We're getting together. We're getting together behind the scenes. Brian Kelly, keep it all the way real.

[C]

These LSU boosters, man, they got out of control. Yeah.

[B]

Straight from the booster's mouth.

[C]

That's boosters. That's right. That's right.

[B]

Truth. All right, Joel, parting shot before we get out of here.

[C]

I don't know if. So both sides of my family from Arkansas. Arkansas. So you spent a lot of time in Little Rock and Pine Bluff when I was growing up, you know, and he's been everywhere. Yeah, man, that song to play when.

[B]

Joel comes on the show. He's been everywhere, man.

[C]

You know, my mom is originally from West Monroe, Louisiana, though, so she considers a lot more Louisiana. But, you know, she graduated from high school in Pine Bluff. Anyway, so my family is a lot of Hogs fans, you know what I'm saying? And I grew up kind of hating Arkansas, you know, I just. This will make me being a hater. Like, I just didn't want to see my family happy. And so. Sam Pittman.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

In sports. I didn't want to see this happening. I don't want.

[A]

And so, you know, I just imagine Joel with an apple. His kid reaching for the apple. Daddy say you gotta come get it now Gotta earn it I'm gonna earn.

[C]

It now I'm a sweetheart I'm A lover. I'm a lover, I promise. But we didn't mention that. You know, Arkansas has fired Sam Pittman. You know, he's gone on and so they fired him this week and Bobby Pacino's interim head coach. But here's what I want to have. Please hire Jon Gruden in Arkansas. Please do it. I would like. I know this has been whispered about. People talk about it. Jon Gruden says he'd love to go there. Please, every you. Not only. Not only does Arkansas fans want this, but everybody in the SEC wants this, too. So please hire Jon Gruden. That's. I would. That is my. My bet. I beg of you Arkansas administration to please bring him in and make him. Make him do the hog call. Make him do it all.

[A]

Tell you what, we'll pick a lot of guys out there, Rhett Lashley that they're going to look at. Bobby Petrino's going to try to win that job.

[B]

He's going to keep the job. It's like the iron throne. He's never getting off the throne. They're going to drive him away on a motorcycle.

[A]

Everything. You know what? Did it bring you back to me? Yes. Bobby. Bobby Petrino is the thanos of Arkansa football, 100%. Where did he bring you back to me? He's back.

[B]

He's already firing people.

[A]

He's already firing people, making moves, the whole deal. Bobby Petrino ain't going.

[C]

He said, why y' all take my paintings down in this office? He's like, why y take that down?

[A]

Yeah, he's like. He's looking at. At new assistants and like new people to work in the athletic program. Bobby Petrino don't up again. Okay? Just don't up again. But I, they. He is going to coach. He's going to coach for that job for the rest of the season.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And it'll be. And I think the, the boosters and the athletic department there, it's going to be easier to talk themselves into hiring Bobby Petrino. Did people think that it will?

[C]

Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

[B]

They got a quarterback there. They got a coach that knows how to win football games. And really, I mean, the only reason he got fired was because of lying. You mentioned tell the truth, Brian Kelly. It's like if you told the truth about the whole situation, he probably kept that job.

[C]

Absolutely. Yeah. Like, if he had just come, like, again, it's Bomani always I talked about the dude had a broken. He had bones broken in his neck and came up with a lie and a ditch yeah. You know, and it's just like, so they kind of couldn't trust him. But he didn't get fired because he was a bad football coach, you know.

[B]

Got fired for lying. Yeah, that's, that's our message for the day. Our last. That's my parting shot. Tell the truth. Everybody be honest. And, you know, things will work out for you.

[C]

You too, Brian Kelly.

[B]

Yeah, you too, Frank.

[A]

Telling the truth. Remember concussion? Will Smith telling the truth. Will was going for that Oscar. Yeah.

[B]

Got.

[C]

All right.

[A]

Telling the truth.

[B]

Gotta do it. All right, there we go. Rigger. Tailgate. Appreciate everybody tuning in. We will be back live, 4pm Pacific, 7pm Eastern Time on the Ringer Tailgate. YouTube. Go subscribe. Go watch us. And again, we will see you on Saturday. Must be 21 or older and present in select states for Kansas and affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 and older and present in D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-1-800- GAMBLER or visit rghelp.com, call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut or visit MD Gambling Help.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gambling helpline ma.org or call 800-327-5050. For 24. 7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8-HOPE NY or text HOPE NY in New York.