The Fallout From the Napier Firing, Top Teams Continue to Tumble, and Big Van on Campus

Summary

Ringer Tailgate – October 22, 2025

Episode Theme:
The panel dissects the high-profile firing of Florida head coach Billy Napier, the dominoes it could set off in the college coaching world, and the season’s mounting chaos as top teams continue to falter. Big Van on Campus returns for an epic LSU rant, and the crew bounces from coaching rumors to playoff odds with equal parts expert analysis and unfiltered banter.

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Main Topics & Takeaways

The Fallout From the Billy Napier Firing

(05:16 – 15:15)

• Immediate Reactions:

  • The panel’s been predicting the Napier firing for weeks; now it’s official.
  • Tate Frazier calls it "the long national nightmare of Gainesville."

• Who’s Next for Florida?

  • Lane Kiffin is the obvious favorite: Joel wonders if it’s actually an upgrade from Ole Miss but acknowledges the lure of Florida’s resources and recruiting base.
    • “…Florida really puts you in the game, man. Like, we've seen proof of concept…” – Joel Anderson (06:13)
  • History lesson: Only Urban Meyer and Steve Spurrier have truly excelled at Florida in the modern era.
    • "There's only been, like, Urban Meyer and Steve Spurrier in my lifetime who've really exceeded what their expectations are." – Joel Anderson (06:48)

• AI Enters the Chat:

  • Van asks ChatGPT for the top five candidates. AI’s list:
    1. Lane Kiffin
    2. Eli Drinkwitz
    3. Jedd Fisch
    4. James Franklin
    5. Urban Meyer
    • “This coaching search feels really artificial to me…” – Van Lathan (09:08)

• Cynicism and Fan Pressure:

  • Van predicts the new hire will be "raw meat for the fanbase" rather than an innovative, patient choice.
  • Joel: The program risks fading in relevance for a whole generation if it doesn’t get it right now.
    • “They don’t even know who Tim Tebow is ... they were born in 2006.” – Tate Frazier (12:52)

• NIL and Modern Challenges:

  • New coach will have to inspire fan credit—the NIL collective needs a convincing figurehead.
    • “You really need a figurehead that people can say, ‘this is worth my $200, $300, $2,000’ or whatever.” – Van Lathan (14:35)
  • Tate notes retaining top recruit QB DJ Lagway helps soften the transition.
  • “This is going to be a talking point for quite some time.” – Tate Frazier (18:18)

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Contemplating Lane Kiffin’s Next Move and Legacy

(16:31 – 20:55)

• Lane’s Image and Strategy:
  • The crew jokes about Lane’s “hot yoga” photo and his calculated visibility at high-profile games.
    • “Lane is looking at the rest of the college coaches like, ‘Look at me… I’m ready to go to Greece…’” – Van Lathan (16:47)
  • Joel points out Kiffin’s moving-on patterns and how Florida might appeal as his next big jump.
• Does Kiffin Need a 'Forever Job'?
  • Van: Lane still hasn’t proven he can build a championship program and requires a “final stop” to cement his legacy.
    • "He is still riding the fumes … of a believed potential that has never manifested itself on the field." – Van Lathan (19:22)
    • "Lane Kiffin needs his last job...the job that'll make him Urban Meyer, Kirby Smart, Nick Saban." – Van Lathan (20:20)

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Is the USC Job Cursed?

(21:02 – 22:43)

• USC’s Recent Struggles:
  • Van questions why so many "hot" coaches (Kiffin, Sarkisian, now Lincoln Riley) haven’t thrived at USC.
    • "Maybe the pressure...the lifestyle...whatever it is, they couldn't make it work there." – Van Lathan (21:23)
  • Joel: Maybe USC is a tad overrated historically except for brief peaks.

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Season of Chaos: Upsets and Collapsing Powerhouses

(23:38 – 28:29)

• Absolute Unpredictability:
  • Van: “Chaos reigns in college football. We are here, guys!” (23:38)
  • Vandy beats LSU, Indiana climbs the Top 10; major programs look suddenly vulnerable.
  • Joel: “This is the NFL now.” There’s too much faith placed in 19- and 20-year-olds for consistency.
    • “It’s a miracle that every year there’s an undefeated team…” – Joel Anderson (25:21)
• The Vandy Loss Analogy:
  • Van compares LSU losing to Vandy to getting beat at Madden—unacceptable, requires “rededication.”
  • Memorable moment: He admits hiring a private Madden coach to get better (27:41).

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The Florida State Letdown and the Power of Early Perceptions

(30:59 – 36:02)

• FSU’s Collapse:

  • Joel: “FSU’s biggest mistake was getting everybody’s hopes up.”
    • "Beating Alabama fucked everybody's minds up, and now Mike Norvell is in hell." – Joel Anderson (32:11)
  • Van rewatched FSU’s Alabama win: “They flopped them, bro…outcoached Alabama…”
    • "Florida State had Alabama outflanked and outleveraged." (33:29)
  • Nobody can make sense of FSU’s drop-off; now they've lost four straight.

• Troll Culture:

  • The crew jokes about media personalities and “rules of trolling”—must stick around when things go south.
  • "Danny Kanell gets real quiet once the wheels come off." – Van Lathan (36:31)

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CFP Odds & Contender/Pretender Game

(38:14 – 44:49)

• Playoff Picture:
  • Surprising playoff odds for teams like Notre Dame, Miami, and BYU.
  • Van: “The fact that LSU is on the list at all. [Are] y’all trolling?”
  • Praise for Notre Dame’s running back duo: "Jeremiah Love is the best running back in college football. Not even close." – Van Lathan (39:42)
• Miami’s Stakes:
  • Joel argues if Mario Cristobal’s Miami, with a soft schedule, misses the playoff this year, calls for his job are justified.
    • "If Miami can't make the playoff this year, you've got to think about firing Mario Cristobal, man." – Joel Anderson (42:01)
  • Van pushes back: “If you’re talking about firing a 10-2 coach... I personally don’t…”

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The Last Undefeateds—Who Survives?

(45:00 – 47:45)

• Run Down of Undefeated Teams:
  • Only six remain—Ohio State, Indiana, Texas A&M, Georgia Tech, BYU, Navy.
  • Van and Tate predict most will falter, but Ohio State could run the table.
  • Joel and Van bet Indiana’s trip to Penn State (Nov 8) could be a “losable game.”

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Coaching Hot Seats & State of Wisconsin

(47:28 – 53:04)

• AD Endorsements and Financial Pleas:
  • Wisconsin AD supports Luke Fickell but stresses need for new financial investment.
  • Panel runs through what keeps a coach in place during a down year (effort, improvement, internal belief).
    • "What does everyone at the top... need to see to believe there's a future with him at Wisconsin?" – Van Lathan (51:13)
• Program Identity:
  • Joel reminds listeners Wisconsin was a non-factor until the 1990s; program trajectories can change quickly.

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Week 9: Big Games & Storylines

(54:03 – 59:47)

• Top Matchups:
  • Ole Miss at Oklahoma
  • Mizzou at Top-10 (!) Vandy
  • Texas A&M at LSU (“the game to get right” – Brian Kelly)
  • UCLA at Indiana
• Ole Miss/Oklahoma Stakes:
  • Both teams are at a crossroads: Ole Miss can’t afford a second loss, while Oklahoma must seize a rare “winnable” top game to be a legit SEC threat.
  • "Oklahoma has to win this game, because this might be the easiest game they have down the stretch." – Joel Anderson (57:45)
  • Lane Kiffin’s flirting with Florida adds an extra layer of drama.

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Other Notable Games & Coaching Chatter

(61:08 – 68:05)

• Watch List Games:
  • Colorado–Utah: Has the Coach Prime hype faded?
  • BYU–Iowa State: Sorting out Big 12 contenders.
  • South Florida at Memphis: G5 playoff stakes; USF’s Alex Golesh could rise if he wins.
• Pocket Watching & NIL Rants:
  • Oklahoma State’s coach calls out Texas Tech's NIL situation; panel is fed up with “broke” talk.
    • "Stop sounding broke...coach your fucking team.” – Van Lathan (66:07)
  • College football’s new reality is resource disparity, but evidence shows money isn’t everything.

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Big Van on Campus: Brian Kelly & the LSU Rant

(69:41 – 77:56)

• Cake Analogy & Accountability:
  • Van eviscerates Brian Kelly’s noncommittal answers about LSU’s lack of physicality, using an elaborate cake-baking metaphor.
    • “Sometimes I just bake a cake and the cake is all fucked up and there's no one to blame. ... [But] you baked the motherfucker. You baked it. It's your cake.” – Van Lathan (71:02)
  • Rips the program for not playing to LSU’s tradition of dominance.
    • “Why are we not LSU? That’s the question. … Ask Brian Kelly why we're not LSU.” – Van Lathan (74:48)
  • Big, emotionally charged roll call of “dogs” from LSU’s past—calls for the current team to reclaim that identity.
• Memorable barbs:
  • “We're LSU. We're supposed to dominate—Eric Reid, Devin White, Delpit … I'm talking about knocking people off the ball, man!” – Van Lathan (74:23)

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Closing Banter & Parting Shots

(81:01 – 84:03)

• Joel on Maryland’s Mike Locksley:
  • “They gonna fire your Black ass, bro.” (82:08)
• Van Dishes Relationship Wisdom:
  • Ties back to earlier banter: “We ain't stupid, man. … We know we need a better cake.” (83:52)

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Notable Quotes by Timestamp

• “Florida really puts you in the game, man.” – Joel Anderson (06:13)
• “The coaching search feels really artificial to me.” – Van Lathan (09:08)
• “In that Florida State locker room, there's a really good team in there. ... They just don’t know how to harness it anymore.” – Van Lathan (34:41)
• “Jeremiah Love is the best running back in college football. Not even close.” – Van Lathan (39:42)
• “If Miami can't make the playoff, you have to fire Mario Cristobal, man.” – Joel Anderson (42:01)
• “Coach your fucking team. ... I'm getting sort of sick of this [NIL complaining].” – Van Lathan (67:07)
• “Why are we not LSU? That’s the question. ... Ask Brian Kelly why we're not LSU.” – Van Lathan (74:39)

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Engaging Moments & Running Gags

• ChatGPT/AI as CFB oracle – The crew’s amusement and skepticism toward using AI for coaching searches.
• Lane Kiffin’s hot yoga photo – Used as commentary on his persona and the image-driven side of coaching.
• Van’s Madden coach metaphor – Blending video game humiliation with LSU’s real-life struggles.
• Banter about “being dogs” – Listing LSU legends, lamenting the lack of “bite” in today’s squad.
• LSU vs. TCU fight – Van and Joel trade barbs about their respective programs’ humiliations.
• The return of “Who’s broke?” discussions – Call-outs on NIL money dominate various school narratives.

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Timestamps to Key Segments

• 05:16 – Firing Napier & What’s Next at Florida
• 09:08 – Why This Coaching Search Feels Different
• 13:32 – NIL Money and the Pressure for a “Name”
• 16:31 – Lane Kiffin’s Image, Future, and the “Final Job” Question
• 21:02 – Is the USC Head Coach Job Cursed?
• 23:38 – Season of Chaos: Power Programs Falter
• 27:41 – Van’s Madden Coach Analogy
• 30:59 – Florida State’s Collapse & “Beating Alabama Broke Them”
• 34:41 – Is There Still a Good Team Hidden in FSU?
• 38:14 – Contender/Pretender: CFP Odds Talk
• 45:14 – Will Any Undefeated Teams Make It?
• 47:28 – Luke Fickell’s Job Security
• 54:03 – Week 9 Marquee Matchups Preview
• 61:08 – Notable Other Games: Colorado–Utah, BYU–Iowa State, South Florida–Memphis
• 66:07 – “Pocket Watching” and the NIL Rant
• 69:41 – Big Van on Campus: LSU Rant/Cake Metaphor
• 74:48 – “Why aren’t we LSU?”
• 81:01 – Parting Shots: Maryland, Relationships, Closing Laughs

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Tone & Style

High-energy, irreverent—but always informed. The crew expertly mixes deep-dive CFB analysis with pop-culture references, personal stories, and playful jabs—a fan-forum vibe, but smarter.

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TL;DR:
This episode spotlights the high-pressure Florida coaching search after Billy Napier’s firing, discusses Lane Kiffin’s wandering career and “image management,” illuminates the season’s pandemic of upsets, and finishes with Van Lathan’s passionate (and hilarious) meltdown about LSU losing its “dog” persona—delivered with their signature blend of expertise and chaos.

Transcript

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[Tate Frazier]

Welcome back to Rigor Tailgate, the Wednesday edition, and we are live in Los Angeles, in the flesh, in person. We do exist. It is real. I'm your host, Tate Frazier. We got a fun show. We're going to go through, of course, the Billy Napier firing. The long national nightmare of Gainesville, Florida, is officially over. We got Van Lathan, we got Joel Anderson in the building, first and foremost. Van. What's up, man?

[Van Lathan]

I'm feeling great, man. It's Ringer Corps week. We're all here together. We got Ringer Tailgate Joel in town.

[Joel Anderson]

East Coast Joel, man, every time I come to la, man, and y', all, y' all been so great, it makes me just want to move here, man. Yeah, good weather, Good weather.

[Tate Frazier]

Joel's trying to negotiate his contract to get to la.

[Joel Anderson]

I was. I was just talking to our producers about it. Also, this is not important because I'm a married man. Even ugly people have something interesting about them here in la. Okay. Looks wise.

[Tate Frazier]

Nice.

[Van Lathan]

Now, why did you have to give the preamble?

[Tate Frazier]

Even ugly?

[Van Lathan]

Are you in one of those relationships where you can't say that somebody look good? Cause I refuse to be in one.

[Joel Anderson]

No. So I can say it. But then how do you say, how do you.

[Van Lathan]

When you are with your lady? How do you say that somebody looks good, man?

[Joel Anderson]

That's a good question.

[Tate Frazier]

Well, actually, you could say they look classy.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, what ends up happening. She usually catches me on my phone. She'd be like, see something you like? She'd be like, not. Not like watching the Hub or something like that.

[Van Lathan]

She said, catch.

[Joel Anderson]

But it'll be like, oh, you like that? Yeah. I mean, shit, what am I supposed to.

[Tate Frazier]

I think the consequences are coming, you.

[Joel Anderson]

Know, because you know what? It is, because people do this thing and it's really like, this is a public service announcement. Don't. Don't be following what people follow on Instagram. That's not why people on Instagram, if I'm not gonna be following stuff on Instagram, just to look at it and appreciate it. You know what I mean? Like, that's the whole point of It. So why would you come and be.

[Tate Frazier]

You're looking at it from an artistic sense.

[Joel Anderson]

Are you following this person? I don't give a shit. Like, that's the whole point of this.

[Van Lathan]

Let me tell you the way we can start to show after this. Let me tell you the way you do this. You have to put your significant other in conflict. This is what you guys do. You have to put them in conflict. All right.

[Tate Frazier]

I don't know if this is a great.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, what's a good.

[Tate Frazier]

I'm excited to hear it.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, so you see a picture of Sofia Vergara. She's on tv. You want to say. Damn right. You wait. You compliment a guy first, you say, God damn, Antonio Banderas looking good for his age. Banderas, very sexy man. 1991. Very sexy man, 2021. Like you. And sometimes you go a little bit over the top. Yeah, I'm saying there's something about Antonio Banderas that like he just maintains the sexy throughout the. Yeah, isn't that something? She gets talking. She feels. Oh, my God. He's all, we're on the same page.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, right.

[Van Lathan]

He's enlightened. He can have a conversation about this and blah, blah, blah, blah. And then you go. And also about Sofia Vergara defying record scratch. Yeah. With what she's got going on, she still looks good. She could take on any 25 year old woman. Now you've injected conflict because I'm telling you straight up, if you have a problem with me saying Sofia Vergara, fine. Why didn't you have a problem now? Guess who's not woke. You are. I win.

[Joel Anderson]

Move on. You know what? That's a big winner. That's a good idea. Also, I will say, I've been to a lot of Maxwell concerts. I've had to put up with a lot of shit. Maxwell, that's her guy that she's.

[Tate Frazier]

Oh, wow.

[Van Lathan]

There's no threat there.

[Joel Anderson]

But wait, what?

[Tate Frazier]

At least it wasn't Usher concerts.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, yeah, wait, no threat.

[Tate Frazier]

Usher comes.

[Joel Anderson]

I'll tell y' all one day about me and Beyonce. Actually have a Beyonce story.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Tate Frazier]

You're a Houston guy.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm a Houston guy.

[Tate Frazier]

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[Joel Anderson]

Napier, which seems like Lane Kiffin, right? And so Lane Kiffin needs to figure out if this is a move that is worth it or if this is a lateral move. And if it's a lateral move, you say, well, look, Ole Miss, I've got everything I need. You know, like, how much, like, you know, I took a look at Auburn, right, when I was at Ole Miss, Auburn didn't really appeal to me. How much better is Florida than Auburn? I don't know, Right? And he used to be like, look, I've got a lot of equity here. People at Ole Miss have gotten really used to, you know, my program. If I do well, If I win 11 games, people think he told us.

[Tate Frazier]

The grass isn't always greener, right?

[Joel Anderson]

That's right. That's right. That's right. So. So. But that's the thing, but the other part of it is that, man, look, Florida really puts you in the game, man. Like, we've seen proof of concept of Florida. Florida's won a national championships more recently. You're. You're closer to the athletes, you know, like Florida in that area and Southern and Southern Georgia. So I don't know, man. I just, I feel like he can see the upside at Florida, but I kind of feel like for Lane Kiffin, I'm like, man, are you sure you want to give that up. Do you really like? I mean, think about the guys that have succeeded. There's only been, like, Urban Meyer and Steve Spurry in my lifetime who've really exceeded, like, what their expectations are.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

So, like, I don't know if I'm Lane Kiffin. I think, oh, I got a pretty good thing going here. And if that's the case, then it's like, I don't know. Rhett Lashley, Eli Drinkwitz, Alex Golish.

[Van Lathan]

So I don't trust what you say about Florida.

[Joel Anderson]

You're out. What?

[Van Lathan]

I don't trust what you say about Florida.

[Joel Anderson]

What are you talking about?

[Van Lathan]

I'll tell you who I do trust. Sam Albin. I trust Chat GPT and LLM. A large language model. Yes. It's happening right here. So I just asked Chat gbt, who are the top five coaching candidates?

[Tate Frazier]

I don't think this for the Florida job.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, I asked them. I want you guys to guess. Now, remember what Chat GPT does? If you guys don't know what a large language model does, what they do is they take all of this text that they've been trained on. They dump it into these big.

[Tate Frazier]

I never thought we'd be here.

[Joel Anderson]

Then they figured out a way to bring our conversation from before this into the session.

[Van Lathan]

I'm really into LLMs, AI and all of that stuff.

[Tate Frazier]

You said you were studying models all weekend.

[Van Lathan]

I was studying models all weekend. Now, based upon all the chatter, this is what ChatGPT can do. We are not at AGI yet, which is artificial general intelligence. We're not there. We're not chatterbpt. It's basically giving you everything that people have talked about, and it's predicting the answers based upon those predictions. Who do you guys think the number one head coach or candidate for the Florida job is according to ChatGPT?

[Joel Anderson]

I'm going to ruin it. Nick Saban.

[Van Lathan]

Wrong. It actually is. Lane Kiffin. Oh, if I want to see if you guys can guess the five names that are on this list according to ChatGptr, tech overlord over there. Who you got? Give me one.

[Tate Frazier]

I will go with Alex Golish.

[Van Lathan]

Not on there.

[Tate Frazier]

Wow.

[Van Lathan]

Not on there.

[Joel Anderson]

Rhett Lashley.

[Van Lathan]

Wrong.

[Joel Anderson]

Bill Belichick.

[Van Lathan]

Hell no. Think about it, guys.

[Tate Frazier]

James Franklin.

[Van Lathan]

He's on there. Ding, ding, ding. James Franklin is the number four job.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, wow.

[Van Lathan]

So we got three more.

[Tate Frazier]

Disrespectful, man.

[Joel Anderson]

I don't. So you said Alex Gola shot Dreaquit's.

[Tate Frazier]

Gotta be on there.

[Joel Anderson]

Number two, Jet Fish.

[Van Lathan]

Number three.

[Tate Frazier]

Look.

[Van Lathan]

See, all you guys need is a little bit of God damn motivation. I need some artificial intelligence that you could do it.

[Joel Anderson]

So who's number five?

[Van Lathan]

Kippen is one. Number five is Urban Meyer. Bring it a return to Urban Meyer.

[Joel Anderson]

I just. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

And let me tell you why. I asked Chad GPT. I asked Chat GPT number one for a bit for the show, but I also asked Chat GPT because this coaching search feels really artificial to me. It feels. Feels artificial. The reason being is that I get why FL for Florida fired Billy Napier. I get it.

[Tate Frazier]

22 and 23, not up to standard. Right.

[Joel Anderson]

Kind of a losing record there, but.

[Tate Frazier]

A lot of be 500 either. That's why they got rid of them.

[Van Lathan]

But when you look at some of the choices in the past that they've made, the coaches that have worked to your point, Urban Meyer, inspired choice. An inspired choice. You have Steve Spurrier, an inspired choice.

[Tate Frazier]

One from Utah, one from Duke. So not big programs.

[Van Lathan]

Not big programs, but guys who are on a trajectory in their coaching career that made everybody think, what are they going to do when they have a shot at the grand thing in college football? Steve Spurrier, obviously he was coming home. He was a big deal at Florida. He had won a Heisman Trophy in Florida. So all of that stuff, this one, this is a little bit more of a cynical choice. This is going to be a school. Even if you, if you look at Drinkowitz, if you look at Fish, if, if, if this was Fish, this would be what, his third job and what.

[Joel Anderson]

The last five years?

[Van Lathan]

The last five years. So this is them legitimately going out there. They're not going to pick some hotshot coordinator. They're not going to pick somebody that's had a lot of success at a lower level. They're trying to go out.

[Tate Frazier]

Well, that was Napier. Napier was.

[Van Lathan]

That was Napier. So they're not doing that.

[Tate Frazier]

You would think some probably be in the mix. Not according to ChatGPT, but to me.

[Van Lathan]

In order right now for them to sort of placate or comfort the fan base, they're going to have to get someone that the fan base feels like, can I fail? And that always makes a coaching search cynical because you're not really looking into the process, into the person, into what they bring, what they've done. This is literally this coaching search. This coaching hire is going to be raw meat for the Florida fan base. And it's the same thing that would happen if LSU were to part ways with Billy Napier. It would be the same thing.

[Tate Frazier]

You said Billy Napier instead of Brian Kelly.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

Do you want Billy Napier to be the next head coach of lsu?

[Van Lathan]

I take him right now. I'm just joking. No. Brian Kelly. If in fact LSU were to get rid of Brian Kelly, the coaching search isn't going to be about going out and really trying to find some. Because think about what an inspired hire Nick Saban was. Think about that. Look, this is the type of guy that has the right process, that talks the right way, that communicates the right way. We think he's a fit. That would be impossible. Now, Brian Kelly was supposed to be the safe choice for the LSU and it wasn't. So now you got to go out there and get even safer. And this is what we're going to see from a lot of these big time jobs for these coaches that weren't able to kind of get it done.

[Joel Anderson]

We didn't even talk about. We never addressed, by the way, my theory that Nick Saban had integrated the sec. We'll come back to it some other time. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[Tate Frazier]

You never brought the facts.

[Joel Anderson]

Looking for. Yeah, he's got his computer with him. It's gotta be on that computer. But I'm not gonna get into that. But I think. I think Van is right in that if that is actually what they're going to do, they're in real trouble. Because I mean, how it. There's not a. The kid, the 17 and 16 year olds that are coming up now, they don't remember great Florida.

[Tate Frazier]

Also, Gatorade doesn't matter as much because everybody's getting money pumped into their program.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, Gatorade, like, yeah, the era of like great Florida football. Like they've not really been alive for that anymore. And you can really fade from public consciousness if you young kids don't even.

[Tate Frazier]

Know who Tim Tebow is. They were born in 2006.

[Joel Anderson]

Again, this was a losing program over the last few years. Right. Like they have a losing record literally under Billy Napier. So I mean, for Florida Gators fans, I hope that the search is not that cynical and that they consider everybody and that if John Sumrall, you know, emerges as one of the best candidates, that they give him the props. I think the thing is that Lane Kiffin seems like a safe guy because he's really tied to no place and he's had success at a bunch of different places and he's going to have his profile. I think you're pretty secure that Lane Kiffin can win 10 games a year.

[Tate Frazier]

Also, DJ Lagway comes out and says, quote, I'm A Florida Gator. That's encouraging. If you're a new coach, you're like, at least I got a quarterback there.

[Van Lathan]

Also, think about something else. Surrounding that's going to be a. Surrounding coaching searches. That's going to be a part of these discussions. The money, right? The nil. You're going to need to get somebody in there that your collective. That your school is out there promoting that. People are going to feel comfortable donating their money to it.

[Joel Anderson]

Right?

[Van Lathan]

So a young coach or a really good coach is still going to need some time to deal with the eventual fallout from the transfers, the D commits, all of that stuff, right? And you're going to have to believe in them so much. That's essentially what Florida was trying to do with Billy Napier. What Florida was trying to do with Billy Napier in the years that they gave him was to say, look, this is a guy that came from a smaller school. He is a proven head coach in terms of the product that he puts on the field. Let him get used to it. Let him get used to this. Let him get used to that. If he won't give up the playbook, let's let him have a couple of failures, and then maybe he'll see that he needs to delegate a little bit more. It never happened. So now people are saying, I'm not donating my money to this anymore. I'm not gonna. Don't. I'm not gonna be a part of this anymore, part of this losing culture. So when you bring somebody in, you really need a figurehead that people can say, this is worth my 200, 300, $2,000 or whatever.

[Joel Anderson]

And someone.

[Tate Frazier]

And someone that's a gamer, too, right? I mean, Napier, there was no knock on the program the way it was run during the week. Everyone's like, the. Is great. The team is prepared, like, they do things the right way, quote, unquote. But when they got to the games, they just didn't do. The final step of the whole process is actually win the game. So that's the other part of this, too. And it is funny because, like Kirby, Smart, Lane Kiffin, they play each other this past weekend, and that could be a precursor for the future rivalry down there, right? It could be Florida versus Georgia, Kirby versus Lane. That's great for that rivalry, too. For the sec.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Not so great for Ole Miss, but.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, not great for Ole Miss.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I think that. I think the SEC needs Florida to be better more than it needs Ole Miss to be better, I think. Right. Like, Florida is the school they have in that market, they want them to succeed. Maybe they should take my advice. I mean, this is the state of Ron DeSantis and Pam Bondi. Our brows. What are we?

[Tate Frazier]

I can't believe.

[Joel Anderson]

What are we? What are y'. All. What are you pretending? I thought you were saying, why are we pretending? Hire the guy. I mean, seriously, like, what does not society. Give it up.

[Van Lathan]

But if they were going to do our brows, why wouldn't they just do Urban Meyer?

[Joel Anderson]

That's a good one.

[Tate Frazier]

Or Jimbo Fish.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, if they were gonna do our browser, do Urban Meyer.

[Joel Anderson]

Wait, why is Urban setting, by the way? Actually, what. I mean, he. He was the coach at the Jaguars. He did poorly there, but, like, if he had done well, he would still be the coach of the Jaguars.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, but didn't he have some young girl twerking on him at a bar or something like that?

[Tate Frazier]

We're in Ohio State pullover.

[Van Lathan]

We're in Ohio State pullover.

[Tate Frazier]

He was, but, I mean, look, Bill Belichick.

[Joel Anderson]

Is that like the Lane Kiffin? I mean, like, showing up at the hot yoga with Oak with the young girl? I mean.

[Tate Frazier]

Oh, man.

[Van Lathan]

Man.

[Tate Frazier]

Nah, he's got his wife back.

[Van Lathan]

Hold on real quick. I gotta say something. I gotta say. Yeah, I think shout out to Lane. Man, that's a hell of a picture. You know what you're doing, Lane?

[Tate Frazier]

Oh, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Let me tell you. Let me tell you two reasons.

[Tate Frazier]

Kirby called it out. He said he gave me some hot yoga tickets.

[Van Lathan]

Let me tell you two reasons why that picture cold. That's one of the coldest pictures of college coach number one. Lane is looking at the rest of the college coaches. And he got you bunch of fat, fat, son of a fatty, fat bastards. Look at me. I'm lame.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

You know what I mean? I look svelte. I'm ready to go to Greece.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm tall.

[Van Lathan]

And then. No disrespect. No disrespect, but if you told me that that picture was the COVID art to a brazzer scene, I will believe you. No disrespect. Cause them women wasn't involved in nothing.

[Tate Frazier]

They're doing their jobs.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, but the. The fuck. You know what that. You know what that image says?

[Joel Anderson]

They're sweaty.

[Van Lathan]

That image says, I'm laying Kiffin and I still fucking. I still. The rest of these guys.

[Tate Frazier]

Great quote card.

[Van Lathan]

Some of these guys, you can't imagine them, right? But not me. I'm Lane Kiffin. You can imagine me still. I'm part of the shit. And that's what that's kind of Lane's whole Persona.

[Tate Frazier]

Also having his agent at the Georgia game, you know, high profile, walking out of the tunnel with him. You know what I mean? Like, basically saying, hey, he's right next to me. We're fielding phone calls. Right. I mean, there was definitely Lane. Everything he does, there's a message behind it. So he knew what he was up to.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, absolutely. I mean, look, bro. I mean, that is absolutely a great point. And look, he just, you know. Yeah, he seems like a cool guy.

[Tate Frazier]

Also, his daughter's graduating this year, and that was the reason he was staying at Ole Miss. Right. At least based on the documentary. She's a senior, so she's going to be graduating and, you know, we'll see what happens.

[Joel Anderson]

It's just funny. I mean, you think, see this thing? It's like. It's also. That's not playing. Bobby Petrino can't do that. You know what I mean?

[Van Lathan]

It's not happening.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, right. Brent Venables can't. He can't. We can't do it. Steve Sarkee, they know. They, you know, it's too buttoned up, like. Right. They've got their perception, you know, the public Persona, whatever Lane is.

[Tate Frazier]

Like, Lane's Persona is, I'm having fun.

[Van Lathan]

Last thing I'll say on Kiffin.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm bringing it.

[Van Lathan]

This is the last thing I'll say on Kiffin.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Okay. I like what Lane Kiffin brings to college football. I think Lane Kiffin is a funny guy. He's a funny guy on Twitter. He's obviously an incredibly gifted football mind. Lane needs to find his last job. He does. If we go back and we look at the career of Lane Kiffin, if we're talking about sc, if we're talking about Tennessee, if we're talking about the NFL with the Raiders, whatever job we're talking about. Okay. Besides his stint when he's the head guy, I'm not talking about his stint as the OC in Alabama. It could be. I could make an argument that Lane Kiffin is still riding the fumes or riding the wave of a believed potential that has never manifested itself on the field. That is not to say that he has not had good teams, because he does field good teams. And what he's done at Ole Miss is very impressive. But the perpetual search for Lane Kiffin's coaching dominance at some point has to stop at some job somewhere. So Lane Kiffin needs his last job. He needs the job that's going to make him Urban Meyer. That's going to make him Kirby Smart. That's going to make him Lane. Not Lane Kiffin. That's going to make him Nick Saban. He needs the job. That's gonna make him Dabo Sweeney. If he is, in fact one of those guys, he needs that situation. We cannot continuously do every year, every two year, every three years. Is Lane Kiffin going to be at this place or at that place? He's been a nomad. He's cut a really fantastic reputation for himself as a college football mind and as a coach. But at some point, because I can make the argument right now that he's flamed out a couple of different times. He's left programs in the lurch before. If he leaves Ole Miss and carpet bags his way, it was weird. Carpet bag to go even further. But if he leaves Ole Miss and finds his way in Florida, I can make an argument that Lane Kiffin is a guy that won't stick and stay and see it through to the end. At some point, if. If the potential that he has as a head coach is actually going to be a reality, he needs to do that. That's real.

[Tate Frazier]

Also, if you're Tennessee, that's kind of your worst nightmare, right? To see after how he left Tennessee to go to USC and then cut to, you know, a decade later, he's going to be at Florida, one of your rivals, and going up against you. So, I mean, he might. He might view that as a way to stick it in Tennessee as well. So.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, I mean, a lot of.

[Tate Frazier]

A lot of motivations outside the fact that he does love Oxford. We do know he loves Oxford. Oxford's a really pretty town.

[Van Lathan]

Is the SC job cursed?

[Tate Frazier]

I mean, that could be another name that could be thrown into the mix.

[Van Lathan]

By the way, Lincoln Riley is the SC job curse. Seriously, think about it. Is the SC job as it stands right now, is it a cursed job? Right now, Lincoln Riley is trading water at usc. They're doing okay.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

Right before that, trying to get rid of the Notre Dame game, by the way. So USC diehards out here are like, get Riley out of town.

[Van Lathan]

Clay Helton wasn't enough coach for them. That. That seemed like a. Like a very strained situation year after year. Right before that, you had Sarkeesian and Lane Kiff, two guys that are having pretty decent success at two other places. It was like the USC job wasn't enough for them. Or for some reason, maybe the pressure of the USC job, the lifestyle that comes along with it, whatever it is, they couldn't make it work there. One Guy rehabs and goes to. When I say rehab, I mean football rehab. I'm not speaking rehab, his career. Right. Yeah. One guy go ends up at Ole Miss where he's thriving. One guy ends up at Texas where he's thriving overall.

[Tate Frazier]

He said he's calling the plays.

[Van Lathan]

Right. They couldn't make it work at SC though. And it seems like Lincoln Riley, a guy who was, whatever you want to.

[Tate Frazier]

Say, an offensive guru, is having trouble.

[Van Lathan]

Making it work in sc. Is the SC job cursed?

[Joel Anderson]

The thing I've always thought is that maybe it's a tad overrated. Like, I mean, other. Outside of the John Robinson and Pete Carroll eras. And remember, Pete Carroll was not their first choice. Like, they. They. They got through a list before they ended up on Pete Carroll. Because other people have looked at it and said, in theory, great job. In practice. Not a lot of people have had the kind of success that they got used to in the late 70s or whatever. So I don't know if there's also.

[Tate Frazier]

A lot of attractions in Los Angeles. Right? I mean, you're down in Oxford, Mississippi. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Joe was here one day, and he's talking about how the people look. Oh, putting this shit and putting on. Putting all his shit out. That Joe was here one day talking about. Let me tell you something.

[Tate Frazier]

And now. And now he's got consequences.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, man, ain't no such thing as an ugly chick in L. A, man. They all hot. All of them look good, man. You always.

[Joel Anderson]

I said they were. I said. I said they could be ugly. But even just still such thing as.

[Van Lathan]

An ugly human being. No such thing. No such thing as ugly human being, bro.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, you know, if you want to just. You trying to outwoke me?

[Van Lathan]

I'm not trying to outwoke you. I'm telling you, I'm putting you in confidence.

[Tate Frazier]

Turn down the woke meter. All right, I like it. I like the Florida conversation. Obviously, it's going to be a talking point for quite some time. They're going to go through the whole, you know, racket of figuring out who's going to be the coach there. Let's get to one big reactions from over the weekend. Obviously, we talked on Saturday, talked about some of the biggest games. Van, I'll go to you first. One big reaction. Outside of what we already hit on.

[Van Lathan]

Saturday, chaos reigns in college football. We are here, guys.

[Tate Frazier]

Two weeks away from the playoff committee.

[Van Lathan]

Is down like water is dry.

[Tate Frazier]

Ugly is pretty.

[Van Lathan]

Ugly is pretty. We are here. When you look at the things that are happening in college football, when you look at the destabilizing factors that have led to this sport being one where we could see an Indiana national championship this year legitimately. Don't get me wrong, the powers are the powers. We still see the traditional powers being able to swing their weight around. But like Vandy beats LSU, Indiana ranked in the top 10. Brian Kelly had a terrible, putrid, ridiculously bad press conference that we're going to talk about in. Big fan on campus.

[Tate Frazier]

I like the teaser, but I will say this.

[Van Lathan]

Some of the things that he said in the press conference, overall, it's not like they're not true. This is a chaotic season and not chaotic like 2007 was where a two loss team wins the national championship. That was status quo compared to what's happening right now. The status quo in college football has completely been upended. Completely been upended. And I'm sitting down watching a game, Kentucky, Texas, where I can't tell the fucking two teams apart.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, they're basically the same, right? Yeah, Texas defense saved them.

[Joel Anderson]

I wonder how different the year feels. If Arch Manning is as good as we, at least, you know, 80% as good as we were told he was going to be. Then we got Ohio State and Texas. Still one, two maybe. And you know, at least one of the preseason contenders is right up there.

[Tate Frazier]

But like also without the Florida State game too, right?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Oh man, the Florida State game is.

[Tate Frazier]

Just without Alabama getting trounced in the first week. I feel like that threw everything into chaos, right?

[Joel Anderson]

Everyone's like, what do we know again? I've talked about this before. This is the NFL now. People are going to have to get used again when the Chiefs lose a game. People are, oh man, the Chiefs are terrible. We need to get Andy Reid out of here because he's got clock management issues. People like, they have some context to it. Why would it be any different? These are people, they're putting a lot of faith in the consistency of 19 and 20 year old people. Like it just doesn't happen. And it's a miracle that every year that there's an undefeated team or whatever because they're going through their own shit, man. They're gonna be. They're building confidence, losing confidence on a week to week basis. There's less depth at those great schools than ever before. So talent has been more spread out than ever before.

[Tate Frazier]

So injuries matter more than ever before.

[Joel Anderson]

Injuries matter. So like things are gonna happen and guys are gonna lose and it can't be that well, man, now Tex Tech must be sorry they lost to Arizona State. It's just that this is what college football.

[Tate Frazier]

Also Sam Levitt comes back, you know, he was injured the week before.

[Joel Anderson]

So I don't know if this is the new normal, but it feels like something we might want to get used to.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. I'll tell you something right now, man. Nil transfer portal, nil ebt, FBI, CIA, atf, atf, whatever you want to put. I'm not getting used to losing the Vandy, so figure it the fuck out. Like figure. Like figure figure it out.

[Tate Frazier]

TigerDroppings.com is not getting used to it.

[Van Lathan]

TigerDroppings.com they're not used to shout out to all of my degenerates on tigerdroppings.com. all my LSU fans, hey man, whatever fucking three letters you want to give me, man. Whatever three letters you want to give meSUBE, HPV, whatever the fuck it is. I'm not getting used to in any iteration of college football ever losing to Vandy. It's like my little brother one time, quick one. My little brother one time beat me in the mad and he beat me in the Madden. You know what I did? I'll fucking rededicate it. Cause that's not gonna happen. Yeah, put in the hours, I'm throwing pics. He running the shit back. He dancing. They got all kinds of crazy dances on. Like he doing the thing. You know what I said? I said, hey, that's not happening.

[Tate Frazier]

No more Dougie and Oma.

[Van Lathan]

No more. I'm like that right there. And then a couple of weeks later me and him played and he was like, I went and got a Madden coach. Ask. I wouldn't have got a Madden coach.

[Joel Anderson]

Madden coach.

[Van Lathan]

I hired a Madden coach.

[Tate Frazier]

Where was he? Best Buy. Just waiting on people.

[Joel Anderson]

You can get a Madden change, bro. Wow.

[Van Lathan]

I'm playing the Madden during George Whitfield, former quarterback guru. I'm playing the Madden during the pandemic. We talk about this on Higher learning. I'm playing the Madden during the pandemic. Two things happened. One, I got in the league with NFL players, with NBA players, who are the best video game players I've ever played before. My last question, they got so much question, it's insane. Okay, that's number one. Number two, I lost to my little homie. And that together. I started watching Madden YouTube videos. And at the end of one of the Madden YouTube videos, one of the guys says, hey, I also do private coaching. I hired him in the Madden, went out and he taught me stuff. I got better, came back, beat the little homie. That's not happening. If I lose like LSU lost, I'm going to rededicate myself and do what the fuck I have to do. I'm maintaining that status quo forever.

[Joel Anderson]

That's shocking. I did not know you could hire coaching for fucking Madden, man.

[Van Lathan]

He also dropped names of some other people that he coached, man.

[Tate Frazier]

You know, any names you'll. You'll willingly mention or.

[Van Lathan]

No, I can't, bro. All right.

[Tate Frazier]

Keep him pretending.

[Joel Anderson]

I just wonder because, like, I saw Justin Bieber hooping with the dude. Not Lethal Sh. But, you know, it's like one.

[Tate Frazier]

I saw that video, too, and no one's played defense.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, Lethal shooter.

[Tate Frazier]

North Carolina.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, Lethal Shooter. Crazy.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah. Went to Washington State, but it was.

[Joel Anderson]

One of those other cats, like the white dude, man. And like, I mean, Bieber's jumper, Chris Brigley, maybe that's what it is.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Bieber's jumper was wet. And I was like, man, but what.

[Tate Frazier]

He's always been solid, but I'm like, what are you.

[Van Lathan]

What are you.

[Joel Anderson]

What are you hoping is going to happen? Like, they don't do the Rock and Jock weekends anymore. Anymore.

[Van Lathan]

He just wants to be good at basketball.

[Joel Anderson]

He just wants to be like, I.

[Tate Frazier]

Think you want to.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, but, like, for what?

[Van Lathan]

What?

[Joel Anderson]

Why? Who cares?

[Van Lathan]

What are you talking about, bro?

[Joel Anderson]

What are you talking about?

[Van Lathan]

Like, do you. What if you really like doing something, do you want to get smacked around it?

[Tate Frazier]

They weren't playing defense.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I'm just like, I'm gonna let him. I'm gonna go through. I'm gonna go through professional level training to work out at LA Fitness. For real. Like, I just. I. Okay, cool.

[Tate Frazier]

Someone said he was training to go up against Chris Brown.

[Joel Anderson]

Apparently cold.

[Tate Frazier]

That would be a Chris Brown route.

[Van Lathan]

Justin. Justin, shut the down, bro.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, you don't want that.

[Van Lathan]

Chris on some different. Like, that's not.

[Tate Frazier]

He's like, dancing with the basketball.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Chris different. Justin. Now just a. Not.

[Joel Anderson]

Can Chris Brown beat J. Cole?

[Van Lathan]

That's actually a good one.

[Tate Frazier]

I think I'd take J. Cole.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. I don't know, man. Y'. All. Hey, man.

[Tate Frazier]

Depends on the type of game we're playing.

[Van Lathan]

Chris on some different.

[Tate Frazier]

We're playing, like, a real structured game. I take J. Cole. We're playing like, you know, LA Fitness.

[Joel Anderson]

Chris.

[Tate Frazier]

I maybe take Chris Brown.

[Van Lathan]

I played in the game. It was me. This was the people on the court. Me shout out to Jack Mcclinton. Lethal Shooter was there.

[Joel Anderson]

Nice.

[Van Lathan]

Chris Brown was there. Chris on some different. And that was actually later Chris, too, but Chris on some different.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, he's bouncy.

[Van Lathan]

All right. Okay.

[Tate Frazier]

Tampa, Hanock, Virginia, Shout out.

[Van Lathan]

All right, cool. We ain't personal.

[Joel Anderson]

But for the bad, Chris Brown is talented, man. He really is.

[Van Lathan]

He is crazy.

[Tate Frazier]

Selling out stadiums. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Go look at James Brown. Wikipedia. Like, nobody's perfect. All right, let's not get up.

[Joel Anderson]

All right, Move on.

[Tate Frazier]

David Ruffin. All right, back to you. One big reaction.

[Van Lathan]

Why don't you choose somebody? Why don't you do, like, Tommy Lee or somebody?

[Tate Frazier]

I mean, no, I thought we keep.

[Van Lathan]

It R and B. Don't speak on R.

[Tate Frazier]

No, we keep it in soul.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Florida. Florida State's biggest mistake was getting everybody's hopes up. Okay, so just think about this. Florida is coming off its worst season in a half century. They've not been this bad since 1974. Two and ten. Everybody's a joke. Everybody's laughed at them. They've bottomed out. It could not get pretty much any worse for Florida State. Nobody had any expectations for Mike Norvell. And in fact, if somebody come up to you at the beginning of the year and they'd be like, man, if Florida State goes 8 and 4, 7 and 5, that'd be pretty good, right? Yeah, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

People be like, oh, yeah, seven and five, maybe a less.

[Joel Anderson]

That'd be a little disappointing.

[Van Lathan]

Seven, five. But eight and four, I'd have been like, he righted the ship for sure.

[Tate Frazier]

8 and 4 and you beat Alabama.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

If you gave them that deal, they'd be like, right.

[Joel Anderson]

But the problem is that the Alabama game happened at the beginning of the year. Then they had to play the former Texas A and M at Commerce. They played Kent State, one of the worst programs, and fbs. And everybody was like, well, damn, they must be a top 10 team. There was no real. I mean, the Alabama game is just so bizarre. But there's no. In retrospect, there's no reason to believe they were ever supposed to be this. That good. And now that they're as bad they should have been at the beginning of the year, everybody is like, well, man, Mike Norvell needs to get fired. They're horrible. They went out there and lost the Pit. God damn it. That was a team that you, at the beginning of the year, that easily could have lost the Pit and nobody would have been surprised. But beating Alabama fucked everybody's minds up. And now Mike Norvell is in hell, Joel.

[Tate Frazier]

He built an expectation.

[Van Lathan]

You're right about this. But I'm starting now to wonder about what's going on in Florida State. And obviously that Sounds like a stupid thing to say. They just went out and basically gave up at Stanford. They did. They gave up at Stanford. Right. And that happens. You're dealing with young men. They see their season going left and it's sometimes difficult to get them to the right.

[Tate Frazier]

Also, Castellanos gets knocked out of the game.

[Van Lathan]

Exactly. So, you know, there's a lot of things going wrong right now for Florida State. But, man, bruh, after the Stanford game, I went back and I watched the condensed game of key plays YouTube TV YouTube TV key plays keys. I went back and watched the condensed game of the Alabama game. And then, you know, you can't really see anything from that. So then I went back and watched the All 22. They did not just beat Alabama by a last second field goal, bro.

[Tate Frazier]

They dominated.

[Van Lathan]

They flopped them, bro. They like, Alabama was not matching up with Florida State. What? I'm telling you, they weren't matching up. Florida State had a plan for the explosive receivers of Alabama. Florida State had Alabama outflanked and out leveraged.

[Tate Frazier]

Earl Little had a great game, heated Alabama.

[Van Lathan]

They out coached Alabama. They beat Alabama, a team right now that is as dangerous and looking as dominant as any team in college football. They flopped them.

[Joel Anderson]

Is that a Baton Rouge word?

[Van Lathan]

I just made that shit up. Like, I don't understand. I'm not saying there haven't been wins like this in the past, but there have not been wins like this from a team that then goes out and loses three straight to squads that are in no way good. Like, no way good.

[Tate Frazier]

Virginia's good.

[Van Lathan]

Virginia, you can make an argument, Virginia's good team.

[Tate Frazier]

And they could have won that game.

[Van Lathan]

They could have won that game. But just like there's either something about them or their brains broke in some kind of way. And I still think, and I don't know how to prove this, I still think in that Florida State locker room, there's a really good team in there. There's an ACC contender slash championship team in there at some point, but they just don't know how to harness it anymore. I don't know.

[Tate Frazier]

I think when they lost to Virginia, they were like, the season's a wrap. And I think that things change. I really do.

[Joel Anderson]

That's a really emotionally taxing stretch of games. Like, to you, like you. So you, you lose against in overtime. Yeah. And losing, then you go to Miami. Right.

[Van Lathan]

It's actually four straight. Is it now?

[Joel Anderson]

It's four straight. Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

Jesus.

[Joel Anderson]

Right? This is the fourth year that Mike Norvell has lost four games in a row. Right. But at least, I mean. And like, they go lose to Miami. And the Miami game had to have been sobering because it's like, bro, we not better than them. You know what I mean? They beat our ass, especially on the line. We're on a different level. And so I do think Van is right, that I don't think they're a bad team. But it's just like, man, I don't. The Alabama thing is just so bizarre because people were questioning, like, Alabama's heart. An effort.

[Tate Frazier]

They were crushing the dick at the film.

[Joel Anderson]

And they were like, man, look, that dude. He's not even.

[Tate Frazier]

Players apologizing.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, Right. They were like, make. Yeah, they did all that shit to him. And so again, it's just going. It's going to be one of the weirder games, the weirder results that we just have to throw out. We have to pretend that that game didn't happen because clearly it doesn't tell us anything about the year. It was predictive in no way of anything that was to come.

[Tate Frazier]

SEC propagandists love that point. They will make sure to bring that up. That game does not count. Now officially off the record, Florida State did not beat Alabama.

[Van Lathan]

I wonder how Danny Canal feels about that one. Danny Canal was on his little sailboat all around. I like the troll that Danny Canel is. But one thing that I love about one thing that I don't like. This is what I don't like. I like trolls and people that talk, they shit. This is why I fuck with Lane Kiffin. Because Lane Kiffin could go out and lose by 15. He's still going to do his little thing, right?

[Tate Frazier]

He lost last weekend. Was still trolling.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Danny Canal get real quiet once the wheels come off.

[Tate Frazier]

Those are the rules of trolling. You have to be available after the fact.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

So now it's like. It's crazy. Four straight. I give him credit because he was out there slinging the thing around. Danny Canelo, QUARTERBACK but he got real quiet after they lost, man.

[Joel Anderson]

You know the thing about Danny Canel, that's kind of funny to me too, man. It's like, you'll talk.

[Tate Frazier]

He's a nice guy. I met Danny.

[Joel Anderson]

Nice guy.

[Van Lathan]

Every single person that I know that actually knows him says he's the greatest guy.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

Super nice.

[Joel Anderson]

Really? I could see that. Yeah, I could see that. But to that point, you remember when Bucky called him a pure hoe?

[Tate Frazier]

He said we had a nice clip going.

[Van Lathan]

We were talking about. I don't mean that.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm not Trying to Pure hoes.

[Van Lathan]

I'm not trying to call the man a hoe, bro.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, no, and I mean, he acted like, oh, you're class citizen. Whatever, bro. Like if you're gonna be talking shit. And, you know, he was trying to dig into the Sanders. He was trying to, you know, talk about how they were basically a, you know, a fraud, about they were perpetrating a fraud on folks. If they come back at you, man, don't be. Start talking about, oh, that's classy and all that. Don't. That's some hoesh. It too. That is ho shit.

[Tate Frazier]

He went from quoting someone to confirming the point.

[Van Lathan]

No, you are, in fact, a hoe.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, I mean, it's hoshi. I didn't say he was a host.

[Tate Frazier]

Not the actor.

[Van Lathan]

That's what happened between the actor.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah, right.

[Van Lathan]

Flipping Mark Lamont Hill. Mark Lamont. Flip said, shout out. Flip. Shout out Mark Lamar Hill. Flip said, that sucker shit. Mark was like, I take that as you call me a sucker, boy. Mark, man. Shout out, my guy. I think that you calling me a sucker. See, that's what Danny Canal gonna do to you.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean.

[Tate Frazier]

I mean, we're gonna rewind when we said nice.

[Joel Anderson]

Sometimes you gonna try to stick on me, man. You had Colt McCoy, now Danny McCall. It's all, you know that the brothers would never come after me like that.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, it would.

[Tate Frazier]

The Stephen A. Smith argument right there. I like it. Let's do some contender pretenders. We got some team cfp, like I said, two weeks away. We got some. Some teams out here. Pretty fascinating just looking at the odds brought to you by Fanduel here. Notre Dame -280 to make the playoffs. So they're, you know, getting trending to almost a lock. South Florida plus 142. Got a big game against Memphis, obviously. BYU undefeated at plus 410 to make the playoff disrespectful to BYU. They thought that we were disrespectful to them. The odds are being disrespectful. Georgia Tech plus 164 look like the class of the ACC. Texas plus 235. LSU plus 880.

[Joel Anderson]

Wow.

[Tate Frazier]

To make the playoffs. And Miami minus 280 to make the playoffs. So out of those teams I just mentioned, is there any that stand out to you where you feel like the odds don't actually match up with what you think, what you've seen on tape?

[Van Lathan]

Just, first of all, the fact that LSU is on the list at all. Is y' all trolling?

[Tate Frazier]

No, I I wanted to get your.

[Van Lathan]

Ears off the list. They're not making a playoff, all right? They just get them.

[Tate Frazier]

Ryan Kelly said they are.

[Van Lathan]

Look, I'll say, like, I'll tell you like this. I've lost faith. I'm going to enjoy watching LSU football for the rest of the season, but I just don't think with the season away, it's going to shake out with everything that they're going to make, make the playoff. I'm surprised at the Notre Dame number. I'm surprised at the Notre Dame number because Notre Dame, I guess that's. This is factoring in the schedule and the fact that they're going to be.

[Tate Frazier]

Marcus Freeman, another name thrown out for the Florida job.

[Van Lathan]

Right.

[Tate Frazier]

He said he appreciates it. It's a privilege.

[Van Lathan]

They're going to be heavily favored in every game that they play. You know, the Love and Price, these. The. Jeremiah Love is the best running back in college football. Not even close.

[Tate Frazier]

And the second, Matt Hardy, Jonah Coleman. Yeah, they're in the mix.

[Van Lathan]

I think that he's.

[Tate Frazier]

I think he's the best, too. I'm just saying we'll give some love to the other guys.

[Van Lathan]

And I'll be honest with you, I think the second best running back in college football is in his same backfield with him or in his same. His same running back room with him. I really do. I think it's Price. I think it's Price. I think that's the second best back. Look, Notre Dame can do a lot of things. I'm surprised that the betters are so sure. This. I mean, that's a pretty good.

[Tate Frazier]

Well, it's interesting because they're kind of tied to Miami. So Miami and Notre Dame have the exact same odds to make the playoffs. So Miami needs Notre Dame to win the rest of their games, obviously to validate their win, to make sure that they're in the playoffs. So they're kind of like. They're kind of like every Miami game. Notre Dame's like, we need Miami to win and vice versa.

[Joel Anderson]

They talk about firing people if Miami doesn't make the playoffs. They need to consider firing my boy Cristobal.

[Tate Frazier]

Oh, he said it, right?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I said it, right? Yeah, it was Cristobal.

[Tate Frazier]

Apologies to the Venezuelan crowd that was defending you.

[Joel Anderson]

Argentinian.

[Tate Frazier]

Argentinian.

[Joel Anderson]

Sorry.

[Tate Frazier]

There you go.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

So you just saved me.

[Joel Anderson]

But I mean, look, man, I mean, they have SMU, Syracuse, NC State, VA Tech and Pitt. No wonder the odds ever in their favor. So they should watch out for Pittsburgh, watch out for State, but That's the thing. It's just, like, if they lose that game, man, I don't want to hear shit about y' all not being mad if you don't make the playoffs, bro. Like, I just don't want to hear it, man. And the. The. The. The Texas Tech thing is sort of interesting to me. The only reason I think Texas Tech has such good odds is that they play the dregs of the league at the end of the year. Like, they got. They've got, like, literally three of the four. Four worst teams. Oklahoma State, UCF and West Virginia. And those are pretty bad teams. Kansas State's not great. Like, Kansas State is the best team. They play well. Sorry. They have a showdown against BYU on November 8th that'll be kind of like the, you know, their big super bowl this year. But I'm like, I mean, again, if. If Miami can't make the playoffs, bro, you got to think about firing Mario Cristobal, man.

[Van Lathan]

What.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, that's. I mean, that is.

[Tate Frazier]

And maybe you hire Artboard.

[Joel Anderson]

So this. So this is. So. So this is the thing I'm gonna say.

[Van Lathan]

If Miami doesn't make the playoff, you say you have to fire Mario.

[Joel Anderson]

Crystal ball.

[Tate Frazier]

This is how you get a reaction. I like it.

[Joel Anderson]

If not now, when, Joe?

[Van Lathan]

What the fuck are you. Not now. When, bro?

[Joel Anderson]

Like. Like, Florida State's not good. Georgia's not as good as they are. Ohio State's kind of.

[Van Lathan]

They.

[Joel Anderson]

They've got a freshman quarterback. Like, everything is laid out for you. The ACC is not tough now. Like, nobody is good in the league. Georgia Tech, as soon as. As soon as everybody catches up, it inevitably gets better then you. Then Miami is going to be in real trouble, dog. This is the year that you're supposed to have. I don't understand why more people aren't, like, holding crystal ball.

[Van Lathan]

What was Cristobal's record last year?

[Joel Anderson]

It was like, 10 and 2.

[Van Lathan]

Okay. What are you talking about?

[Joel Anderson]

11 and 2.

[Van Lathan]

It's 10. 2.

[Joel Anderson]

They didn't make the playoffs, and they lost a stupid game, and you had the Heisman.

[Van Lathan]

I totally get it, but probably should.

[Joel Anderson]

Have won the highs.

[Van Lathan]

If you're. I get it. I get that if you're Miami, you want to make the playoff. Of course you want to make the playoff. But in this current climate, this college football coaching economy, if you're talking about firing a 10 and 2 coach, like, if they. I don't. I personally don't. I think right now. Okay, forget about this. Forget about the actual. Let's look at What Miami is, did they go out and lose a game that maybe they shouldn't have lost to Louisville right at home? Four picks from the QB Friday night. Friday night they did.

[Joel Anderson]

Friday night's understandable loss.

[Van Lathan]

But look at the construction of the team. You can look at Miami, unlike some of these other teams, unlike my Tigers, right? And look at dominating units that Miami has. You can look at the team you're getting better. You can look at the team establishing an identity, establishing things that they do well. And you can say, Mario, Crystal Ball has this team elite in the trenches. O line, D line with everything else.

[Tate Frazier]

And feeling the play you are making.

[Van Lathan]

My playmaker, you're making. So. Right.

[Joel Anderson]

And if you lose with that team to this, the best team you play in this stretch is smu. The best team you play in the stretch is Duke Jr. Yeah, SMU. I mean, if you can't. That's. I call him Duke Jr. If I like it. Yeah, good. All right. Anyway, I mean, bro, I. I'm not, you know, they may not fire him. They don't probably. It's a ridiculous suggestion, but I'm just like. It seems like it would be a conversation that people should have. I'm like, bro, why are you. Why are you losing? Like, everything is in front of you. Like, there's no excuse for this.

[Van Lathan]

No, I get it. But.

[Joel Anderson]

And you, you're. You're better than everybody. You're better than everybody you played and you still.

[Tate Frazier]

This would be two years, minus 280 to make the playoffs.

[Joel Anderson]

So they're.

[Tate Frazier]

They're on the right side of the.

[Joel Anderson]

Right side of it. I'm just saying. That's what I'm just saying, like, hey, man, like, just do what you're supposed to do.

[Tate Frazier]

You mentioned the chaos, obviously, Van at the top. And you mentioned that this is college football now. It used to be. Yet to go undefeated. Right. To be in the bcs. Right.

[Van Lathan]

Maybe one loss.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, maybe one loss. But right now or two, if you.

[Joel Anderson]

Lsu.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

If you're lc, you can lose. You know what I mean? That's kind of how it works. We have six undefeated teams right now. Ohio State, Indiana, Texas A and M, Georgia Tech, byu, Navy. Of those six teams, do we think any team will end up undefeated this season?

[Van Lathan]

Ohio State will.

[Tate Frazier]

-260.

[Van Lathan]

Nah, they're going to lose to Michigan. I'm just joking. I thought Ohio State would lose to Michigan earlier on this year. I'm starting to really, really crawfish on that take.

[Tate Frazier]

Ever since Sherro Moore put the blue collar jacket on they play with a little bit. A little bit more will and want to.

[Van Lathan]

Ohio State looks like they could go undefeated. Somebody's going to get to Texas A.

[Tate Frazier]

And M. I think Indiana. Someone's going to get them too.

[Van Lathan]

You think somebody's going to get Indiana? Let's look at the schedule.

[Tate Frazier]

UCLA this weekend.

[Van Lathan]

UCLA this weekend for.

[Tate Frazier]

Watch out, my boy.

[Van Lathan]

Hey. I tell you right now, I tell you right now, if. If UCLA beats. If UCLA actually gets it done against Indiana, I'll come in here with a NICO jersey. No bullshit.

[Joel Anderson]

That's what's up, man.

[Tate Frazier]

And if UCLA is listening, send. Send a NICO jersey. Joe deserves a Nico.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, Jordan Brand. UCLA really should be hollering at me, man. Right. Cause I've been putting on for them this whole time.

[Tate Frazier]

Unfortunately, the athletic budget isn't there for them to be, you know, sit things.

[Joel Anderson]

Probably shout out Tim Skipper, man, they have done a great job. And I mean it's kind of, it's. It's sort of disrespectful. Like the. They're like a 25 point underdog this week against.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, that's what I mean. I like them to cover that at least.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

If you look at this schedule, it's for Indiana. Yeah, it's Indiana. Excuse me, it's ucla, Maryland, Maryland, Penn State, Wisconsin, Purdue.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, they're not losing.

[Joel Anderson]

That's a Mario Cristobal stretch of games, guys.

[Tate Frazier]

That's a great schedule for anybody.

[Van Lathan]

I'm going to say something right now. Penn State on the road November 8th. It doesn't feel like it right now, but that's a losable game.

[Tate Frazier]

They look better against Iowa.

[Van Lathan]

It doesn't feel like it right now. It doesn't feel like it right now, but that's a losable game. They could lose the game and it wouldn't matter. They would still be in the playoffs. But that right there is a losable game.

[Tate Frazier]

I just want to point this out. The Iowa Penn State game, both quarterbacks threw less than 100 yards in that game. One of the worst games I have watched from an offensive standpoint in my entire life.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, Iowa, man, I don't know what they doing, man.

[Tate Frazier]

It's like purposeful.

[Joel Anderson]

It wasn't even. Yeah, like obviously they like it.

[Tate Frazier]

Granowski likes it.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man. People told me that Gronowski was going to be good and I was like, oh, okay, this is what you got.

[Tate Frazier]

No, you put that jersey on, they're like, you're not throwing over 100 yards. It's unbelievable. Believable I wanted to ask about another Big Ten team overreaction of the week. Wisconsin athletic director. Athletic director Chris McIntosh sent a message to the fans. He talked about supporting Luke Fickle and also said that they need additional financial investment in the program. Luke Fickle was the best or had the most favorable odds. Be the next coach fired a couple weeks ago. Obviously, Napier takes that away from him, but Luke Fickle. They're in for the long haul with Luke Fickle.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, they just said that they're still. I think that that can.

[Tate Frazier]

I think it can change.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Like, we just. Let's get to the end of the year. The problem for Luke Fickle, right, is that, man, they've got Indiana, Oregon, Illinois is going to come there. Washington's going to come there.

[Tate Frazier]

Oregon's wearing Grateful Dead jerseys like, they're having fun. They're dancing on the graves.

[Joel Anderson]

They're going to be the scene at Camp Randall. Because I always just think about, like, the things that. The conditions that set it up for a guy to get fired when it's like, officially, like, we just can't do this anymore. Like, they've already been shut out two weeks in a row, which is embarrassing. But, like, okay, the last one happened to Ohio State. You can live with that.

[Tate Frazier]

We saw with James Franklin. I mean, they're booing him as he's walking out of the stadium after Northwestern.

[Joel Anderson]

There's not gonna be people there. You know, people are gonna stop going to these games. And then the people that go there, they're gonna see Wisconsin get drove and not score. Cause that is one of the more frustrating things. It's like when your team is out there and they're not even threatening to get down the field, and people are gonna get mad.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah. No run game. Right.

[Joel Anderson]

But I see the vision because I'm like, all right, I don't think Luke Fickle's a bad coach. Like, I'm not sure he's a good one, but I don't think he's a bad one. And I could see the argument for being like, man, we're not even going to get our top candidate. Like, there's going to be so many jobs open right now.

[Tate Frazier]

Too many jobs open.

[Joel Anderson]

We're not going to be able to get anybody. You know, like, people are going to look at this, and we're not going to be. So what about we just put money into the roster, see if Luke Fickle can finally, you know, make some hay for us? I could see that. I can see the vision for that.

[Van Lathan]

Well, this is a Situation where. And this is kind of the thing, as fans, that we never really can see, right? A lot of times a coach is making a decision on a quarterback, on a safety, on a corner or something like that. And as fans, we're like, what the hell are they doing? We see this guy, he can't play. He's not seeing the field, it's not going right. And then, you know, you get the coach, and the coach goes, hey, you know, I'm in practice. I know my team, I know my personnel. I know what's going on. Now, I'm not saying that coaches can't be wrong. I'm not saying that they're not tied to certain players. I'm not saying anything like that. I'm just saying a lot of times, the coach knows the personnel that he has. He knows how making the change will upset the chemistry of his team or whatever. Wisconsin, they know Luke Pickle. Like, they know him, right? They know why they hired him. They know what they saw in him. We all see the.

[Tate Frazier]

And he wanted to be there.

[Van Lathan]

He wanted.

[Tate Frazier]

It was his dream job, right?

[Van Lathan]

We all know the disastrous results that we're seeing on the field. The question is if we are willing to say that a lot of these games are going to be losses, that they're outgunned, outmanned, they haven't shown anything to say that they can win that particularly tough Big Ten schedule that they have in front of them. The question is, what does a team need to show in order for the administration, in order for the fan base to reinvest in not just the second half of this season, but in the team going into next year? What, if anything, can Wisconsin show right now to make people believe that there is a future with Luke Fickle? Is it a fight? Is it execution? What is it? What has to happen? Because he's gotta show something, right? He's gotta show something. That's what kept Billy Napier around. What kept Billy Napier around for a long time was, you know, the results weren't happening on the field, but those guys were playing their asses off of Billy Napier. And you go, eventually. They're playing so hard. Napier is a good coach. Those two things are going to meet, and you're going to get good football. It's never quite happened. I guess the question with Luke Fickle is what does everyone at the top there at Wisconsin and in the stands there need to see to believe that there's a future with him at Wisconsin?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

Shout out to the Badgers. You know what I mean? They got A. There's a lot to figure out. But that is a football school, I would say. But obviously they're good at football culture. Right. They love jumping around.

[Joel Anderson]

Right. Remember, man, you know, it's just kind of funny because as an old person, you kind of remember things and people. Certain programs can be fixed in your mind. And to me, Wisconsin is always gonna be an interloper, like Oregon. Like, they weren't good when I was a kid. They got good in my teenage years, but Wisconsin was sort of like a big ten doormat for a number of years. So I just. It's not so far in the past that I did. I think of Wisconsin, I'm like, oh, that could be bad. Real easy, man. Like, there's just nothing.

[Van Lathan]

What is this? I hate this.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, they could be.

[Van Lathan]

You do this.

[Joel Anderson]

They could be Purdue.

[Van Lathan]

Okay.

[Tate Frazier]

I love a dissenting game.

[Joel Anderson]

Nothing stops.

[Van Lathan]

It's not dissenting opinion. He does this every time with every team. Every single team. Well, they ain't never been shit, so they can go back to not being shit. What are you talking about? Who? Like, it's like, they not good, man. You remember Brent?

[Joel Anderson]

You remember Brent Moss? You know what I'm saying?

[Van Lathan]

I remember Ron Dane.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

Jonathan Taylor. No, they. Wisconsin is. I wouldn't say that they're in the elite program, but for a long time now, they've been a winning, dependable football pro program.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, you. I mean, y' all talking about them like, oh, man. A football program like, they Ohio State or some. That's Wisconsin. I mean, they're good, but I mean, there's nothing, Nothing stopping them from being bad.

[Tate Frazier]

You think they're a basketball school.

[Joel Anderson]

You see a good basketball team. I mean, they've been. They've been as good.

[Tate Frazier]

Oh, Ryan, great.

[Joel Anderson]

They've had more success basketball. Like, they played in the national championship.

[Tate Frazier]

Game as a basketball player 2015, 10 years ago. Feels like yesterday. We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, we're going to do biggest games of week nine, our favorite other matchups, and of course, big fan on campus. We'll be right back after the break. Ringer tailgate is brought to you by fanduel. This college football season is delivering weekly showdowns you don't want to miss. And right now, all customers on FanDuel can score a 50% profit boost for this month Week's big match on campus between Texas A and M&LSU. Just place a bet on the game, apply your profit boost and enjoy boosted winnings when your bet hits. And the best Part you get paid instantly when you win. This weekend we got Texas A and M. Lsu. I like A and M. I told Van I would pick A and M for the hopes that LSU could get it back together. So we'll see if this works out. Visit fanduel.comtailgate to download the app and boost your next bet on this week's marquee game must be 21 and older and President select states or 18 and older and present in DC, Kentucky or Wyoming. Opt in required bonus issued as non withdrawable profit boost tokens. Restrictions apply including any token expiration and max wager amount. See [e-mail] gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit rg-help.com call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chatincenetic at. All right, welcome back to Ringer Tailgate Week 9. We got some great games coming up in college football. Not the, you know, most entertaining slate if you're a casual fan for the for the most part. But we'll tell you why you need to watch some of these games. Biggest games of the week, number eight, Ole Miss at number 13, Oklahoma. Oklahoma looked like they were back to life at South Carolina last weekend. Ole Miss obviously trying to bounce back after the loss against Georgia. They look great early in that game, especially number 15, Mizzou at number 10. I repeat, number 10, Vanderbilt. That is the college game day game. Number three, Texas A&M. Undefeated at number 20, LSU. Brian Kelly said this is the game to get right. And of course, ucla. Joel's UCLA team taking on number two, Indiana. So those are the four biggest games. Van, I'll go to you first. Which game of those four stands out to you? Let me guess. Lsu.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, it stands out.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, time for the blocked. Yeah. Locked on Tiger segment. All right, go ahead.

[Van Lathan]

So you know what?

[Tate Frazier]

He's gonna pivot.

[Van Lathan]

I'm not gonna choose the game right now because I'm doing, I'm doing. Because we're coming to big Van on campus, right?

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

I'm not gonna do that game right now. Another sneaky big game is I'm staying at SEC and I'm gonna go with Ole Miss and Oklahoma.

[Tate Frazier]

I'm excited for that.

[Van Lathan]

Yep, very excited for it.

[Tate Frazier]

Lane versus that defense.

[Van Lathan]

My question for you guys, please, is what is more important here? Is it more important that Ole Miss doesn't take their second loss of the season so they keep their playoff momentum going, Particularly now when their coach is having a not so Subtle dalliance with Florida. I don't know that he's doing it.

[Tate Frazier]

He's winking back.

[Van Lathan]

He's winking back. He's giving you.

[Tate Frazier]

They're blowing kisses, but he's winking back.

[Van Lathan]

You know what? You know what this is called? You know what it's called? Call. We call this Actrite in Baton Rouge. Like, you holla at a chick and you go, yo, she give you some Actrite.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Lane Kiffin is giving Florida some Actrite. You know what I mean? He's, he, he opened the DM and, you know, never mind. I'm not gonna get into the whole dm.

[Joel Anderson]

No. Well, you know, but, you know, I get it. He's just like, yeah, man, I, I, I'll be in town. Yeah, my hotel room. We can get coffee.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, he getting. He giving us some act.

[Joel Anderson]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

You know what I'm saying? Is it more important that Ole Miss gets right and does not suffer their second loss of the season on the way to a potential playoff berth? Or is this going to be the game that Oklahoma wins to announce themselves as a real player in the sec? They can't seem to win that game. They can't seem to win that game that they need to win to be like, hey, we're here over a team. Like, even the Texas game, odd loss for them. Not really, when you consider materials, injury.

[Tate Frazier]

And the fact that he threw three picks in that game.

[Joel Anderson]

Right.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

But still, though, like, what to which one? Which storyline here is more compelling than you guys or which situation?

[Tate Frazier]

I think Oklahoma is more compelling to me. I think if Oklahoma wins this game, then they're essentially back in the same position they were in before the Texas game. And now John Mateer is a fully healthy. We all believe in the defense. We never stop believing in the defense. Right. So, I mean, if they can send that message that, hey, he's 100%, our defense is who you thought they were, we can win a big game. We're actually a real contender. I think that changes the whole narrative of the season for them.

[Joel Anderson]

Oklahoma has to win this game because this might be the easiest game they have down the stretch. You know, this is their final five. Ole Miss @ Tennessee, at Alabama, Mizzou comes home and then lsu. Yeah, right. Like, I don't. So I guess LSU or whatever, you know, it might be the either easiest game, the easiest game left. So they have to win this game because it's just the odds of them getting into the playoffs and going through that stretch, man, it's just going to so they can't. I mean, you got to expect, man, going to Bama, that's going. That's a lot to ask. So they can't. They don't have a lot of wiggle room. Ole Miss. When they get past this, if they manage to get past this game, I mean, they got South Carolina, the Citadel, Florida and Mississippi State. So like it's. They're home free.

[Tate Frazier]

I even think that is that game at Florida.

[Joel Anderson]

No, it's at home.

[Tate Frazier]

Okay. I was like, if. If Lane is in game.

[Joel Anderson]

He'S like, you know, I don't even gotta. He's like, we don't even have to. Don't fly me in right now because I'm gonna be in town. Yeah, I'll talk to you guys around the corner at the hot yoga studio.

[Van Lathan]

It's. So I want to say something real quick because I had to look it up here. So Something has happened six times since 1980. Do you know what that is? Wisconsin is one of the Big Ten. Why don't you put some respect.

[Tate Frazier]

Are you on chat?

[Van Lathan]

GPT, large language model.

[Joel Anderson]

LLMs.

[Van Lathan]

They're gonna take over the world. Barry Alvarez won it three times.

[Joel Anderson]

Are you sure?

[Tate Frazier]

Shout out to Barry. Remember when Barry came back and coached that bowl game?

[Van Lathan]

Brett Bilema won it three times. Now, 2012 was. Was. Was tricky. They were only 44 in the conference and they went to the title game because Ohio State and Penn State had sanctions. But they beat Nebraska 70 to 31 for the big. I'm just saying six, six. Three outright championships, three share championships.

[Tate Frazier]

Joe's fact checking.

[Van Lathan]

And 94. 2014, 2016, 2017. All right there.

[Joel Anderson]

Division Wisconsin. Why are we having this digression? But now I got to do it since. Since Joel Anderson was born in 1978. Let me give you the Wisconsin records. 5, 4 and 2, 4 and 7.

[Van Lathan]

They won 62% of the game.

[Joel Anderson]

75, 75, 74, 74, 1 5.

[Van Lathan]

And they won 60 of the game.

[Joel Anderson]

3 and 8, 1 and 10, 2 and 9, 1 and 10, 5 and 6. 5 and 6. And then the year I turned 15, they go 10, 1 and 1. It took until they were. Until I was 15 years old. Until they were like a decent team.

[Tate Frazier]

I think it's good to give that contest.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's what I'm just saying.

[Tate Frazier]

I like that context.

[Joel Anderson]

I remember it.

[Van Lathan]

Thanks.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, he remembers you started 1980.

[Tate Frazier]

He's 1978.

[Van Lathan]

He remembers. He remembers how good Wisconsin was when he was five years old. He remembers rooting for the best. I was watching.

[Joel Anderson]

I Was watching Tim Brown, you know, Tony Rice.

[Van Lathan]

Right.

[Joel Anderson]

You know what I'm saying?

[Tate Frazier]

It goes back to your argument last week that you have so much knowledge with all the names that it all can flood.

[Joel Anderson]

I watched the Doug I can remember. I remember watching the Doug Flutie Hail Mary on TV live. Like, I remember that. There you go.

[Van Lathan]

So he's looking at like, dad, Wisconsin sucks.

[Tate Frazier]

They're basketball school.

[Van Lathan]

They're basketball school. Bring out. Bring out Fred Kane and Sam. Where's Sam Decker in this bitch?

[Joel Anderson]

Dad, all I know is that LSU wasn't good when I was that age either.

[Van Lathan]

We won the SEC in the 80s.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Van Lathan]

All right, cool.

[Tate Frazier]

There you go. Favorite other matchup on the board, Van, I'll go to you first.

[Van Lathan]

Colorado. Utah. What the fuck? Is the Coach prime situation happening? We celebrating Coach prime won big games. Are we. Have we moved on culturally from Coach prime and college football?

[Tate Frazier]

I think a lot of people have.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

Colorado. Not us, though. Not us. We haven't moved.

[Van Lathan]

No, we haven't moved on. Colorado Utah. Utah is coming off the. The Holy War game. Yeah, exactly. They bought you. I'm on the take, Colorado. I'm interested in the Colorado Utah game to see the continuous. The continued development of the programming.

[Tate Frazier]

Salter versus Dan Pier. Good quarterback matchup. Yeah, good game. And they were. It was. I was excited for Colorado when they won and they got to celebrate. It felt like they were close in so many games. They finally got over the hump. So that'll be a good game. Joel, what about you?

[Joel Anderson]

Are you BYU at Iowa State, man?

[Tate Frazier]

So us giving love to Utah?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man. We're talking about Utah football, man. Jackson Dart. There's a Utah high school product, man.

[Tate Frazier]

There you go.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Wilson, too.

[Joel Anderson]

Well.

[Tate Frazier]

Dirty at you.

[Van Lathan]

So where's Zach Wilson's younger brother right now? When he. When Zach Wilson first got into the league, I watched a high school game on ESPN with his younger brother, and he was throwing the pig skin around. I wonder where he ended up. Where did he end up?

[Tate Frazier]

I remember watching him play last year because someone got hurt. Yeah, hold on. Let's figure it out anyway.

[Van Lathan]

But Joe, you were saying.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, Joe, go ahead. I'll look.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, well, I mean, so like, BYU is one of the six remaining undefeated teams in the country, and they're the underdog going into this game because, remember when this. Over the life of this show, like, Iowa State was the Big 12 favorite, and then all of a sudden they lose a couple games, they lose Cincinnati, and then they lost to Colorado and it was like, okay, like, things have kind of fallen apart with them a little bit. But I kind of. This is like the start of sorting season for my Big Ten, Big 12 heads. So, like, BYU's got to start playing people. They got to play Iowa State, Texas Tech, Cincinnati and tcu. Iowa State's got byu, Arizona State and tcu. Texas Tech got B. So we're gonna eventually like, sort out like who's gonna be in the championship game. Game. And this is kind of the start of that. Like, we're going to see, like, this is going to be BYU's chance to play against a real good team, a team that was one of the preseason favorites and we'll see if they win. I. I kind of. BYU is kind of good, man. L.J. martin, dog.

[Tate Frazier]

I like that. I like the team.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, they were bullying them boys, man.

[Tate Frazier]

So also Isaac Wilson, little brother of Zach Wilson is at Utah. So that is a house divided because.

[Van Lathan]

He played last year.

[Tate Frazier]

I remember he played last year. I just to. Didn't want to jump the gun and say he was at Utah. I was like, there's no way he went to Utah and Zach went to byu. So it was the. The non fuckers versus the.

[Van Lathan]

He wanted to. Yeah, he like he little brother syndrome. He was. He was like, yo, my brother, I get it. He good as hell. He went there.

[Tate Frazier]

Red versus blue.

[Van Lathan]

He gave him. But he was like, I want to.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

So he went to Utah.

[Tate Frazier]

He got the red lightsaber straight up, bro.

[Joel Anderson]

Man. But I mean, it's kind of bad new. It brought Devon damp here right in over.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He got benched last year. That's why I. I thought it was at. I. I was like, I saw him play last year.

[Joel Anderson]

He could be a BYU right now. Pretending not to the people.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. And still doing it. Honor code.

[Joel Anderson]

That's right.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

My other notable game. I want to get your guys reaction to this. This should have been the G5 national championship game, but Memphis slips up last week against Chris Mortensen's son, who took over for Trent Dilfer, which is a very crazy sentence to say.

[Van Lathan]

ESPN game.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, right. Yeah. Number 18, South Florida at Memphis. So Memphis can bounce back here. South Florida is obviously the favorite to be the G5 team. We like South Florida. We're a USF podcast at this point. But do. Do we like this matchup? Are we excited for it?

[Van Lathan]

I think that I'm looking to Memphis, at Memphis to lose this game.

[Tate Frazier]

They kind of have to. I mean, South Florida has to win this game.

[Van Lathan]

South Florida has to win the game, you know, I think that Memphis losing last week was. I was. I was shocked at it. I don't see them getting back on track. South Florida has a lot to play for. This is going to be a great game.

[Tate Frazier]

Memphis's quarterback got hurt in that game.

[Van Lathan]

So part of the reason, there's going to be a lot, a lot on the line when these two teams play. So it's going to be competed at a very high level. In terms of the competitive nature of the game, I think it's going to be a pretty physical game. South Florida has a physical, soft football that they play, so they're going to try to go in there and take the will out of the Memphis team by doing what it is that they do. And we'll see how Memphis responds.

[Tate Frazier]

And Florida's AD is watching that game close because if Golish gets to the playoff with usf, he's probably moving up the board. I know Chatgpt didn't even have him on the list, but he's going to move up the list. Other notable games to throw out there, number 23, Illinois at Washington. Number four, Alabama at South Carolina. Oklahoma State at Texas Tech. We had a comment from Doug Meacham, who is the interim coach for Oklahoma State. He said this about Texas Tech nil, quote. They have a couple of individuals that have given them five times more than anyone else on the planet. So Oklahoma State did not learn from Mike Gundy calling out Oregon. I mean, they call out Texas Tech. I think Texas Tech is going to drill.

[Joel Anderson]

I guess, like I just mentioned, y' all had.

[Tate Frazier]

They got to shut up.

[Joel Anderson]

Y' all had T. Boom Pickens, bro, How many, how many. How many billionaires do you need to. You know what I'm saying? Stop sounding broke.

[Tate Frazier]

Right?

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, what you just telling people. Also, dog, this recruiting season, all year long that are thinking about going to school at Oklahoma State, they're like, oh, they sound broke.

[Tate Frazier]

They do sound broke.

[Joel Anderson]

They're telling me right now.

[Tate Frazier]

They're also pocket watchers. They're the number one pocket watchers in college football.

[Van Lathan]

They're pocket watchers, by the way.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I'll tell you another reason why I'm sick of the fucking complaining about the money. Do I love the money? No. I think it's great for the kids, but it changes the dynamic of sport. I'm still getting used to it.

[Joel Anderson]

We all are.

[Van Lathan]

I'm seeing people win. Yeah, Texas Tech is winning. Yeah, they're winning. They're winning. I'm also seeing teams that don't have Crazy nil. I'm seeing teams that South Florida beat Florida, who had more nil money invested in that game. Like who? Like, if you're talking about people that are guys on campus that are driving around in Ferraris, I don't think you're going to see very many of those on the South Florida campus.

[Tate Frazier]

So what I'm telling you is UCLA beat Penn State.

[Van Lathan]

Coach your fucking team. I'm not saying that this doesn't give a tremendous advantage to these other teams, but I remember a Texas A and M team a couple of years ago, Jimbo, with more nil investment 2022 than anybody, fielded the single greatest college football recruiting class by point valuation in the history of the sport, and fucking nothing happened.

[Tate Frazier]

And they. I mean, Nick Saban called him out because he was kind of threatened by it.

[Van Lathan]

He was also. Hey, he was pocket watching. Yeah, he was pocket watching. So coach your team and eat what you got. I'm getting sort of sick of this because I'm seeing that just because you spend the most. Ohio State has spent a ton of money last year, but they also had Ryan Day. They had a coach that could harness that talent and use that talent. So come on now.

[Joel Anderson]

Go group of six, then. You know what I mean? Like, I don't want to hear it. Go group. You lost the. Tulsa. Tulsa ain't got. I know. Tulsa ain't got more.

[Tate Frazier]

Tulane had their whole team basically stolen away and they still win big.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, go.

[Tate Frazier]

Go destroy Northwest.

[Joel Anderson]

Go fcs. I mean, bro, Texas Tech is in Lubbock, man. Y'.

[Van Lathan]

All.

[Joel Anderson]

And so why. It's not like we're not talking about, you know, you know, one of these titans of industry, you know, New York or some like that. That's Lubbock. They're convincing people to go out to Lubbock.

[Van Lathan]

And they pay more money, though.

[Joel Anderson]

You all could be that. Yeah, they got more money. But, oh, Oklahoma State again, you had your advantage.

[Tate Frazier]

They have money.

[Joel Anderson]

They got your advantage. And if it's too much for you, bro, let me just take you down. There are some leagues that will have you.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, 100%.

[Joel Anderson]

Play the Madden, go to Pac 12.

[Van Lathan]

Play the Madden, coach.

[Joel Anderson]

Go to Pac 12. Texas State is in the Pac 12 now or will be next year.

[Van Lathan]

They're just giving excuses because they're going to lose games. I'm not saying that it's not a factor. It is a factor. You want your collective to be competitive. You want your nil infrastructure to be in league. But I'm seeing people do it. I'm seeing People win. I'm seeing people lose.

[Tate Frazier]

All right.

[Joel Anderson]

Only time we hear about those, they being hoes, man. Yeah, it's like just. Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

Stop it, guys. Number 25, Michigan at Michigan State. Another game, California, Virginia Techs on Friday. Kansas State at Kansas, which was going to be a really good game at the beginning of the season. Just wanted to point that out. Number 16, Virginia at UNC. Jordan. Ritter. Khan, the ringer's very own, will be at that game covering the Bill Belichick.

[Joel Anderson]

Jordan. Covering Jordan.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah. Jordan.

[Van Lathan]

Own.

[Tate Frazier]

Jordan. That could be a nice Q and A. Auburn at Arkansas. Baylor at number 21, Cincinnati. Number 17, Tennessee at Kentucky. So those are the notable games that are happening this weekend. Now I turn it over to you, Van. Big van on campus.

[Van Lathan]

First of all, before I even get into this run. Run the clip, Coach.

[Joel Anderson]

I've heard some former players and others.

[Tate Frazier]

Say there's a lack of physicality on this football team, in particular on the offensive side of the ball.

[Joel Anderson]

Are you seeing that? Well, I think we need to be more physical.

[Van Lathan]

I think there's.

[Joel Anderson]

There's always the need for physicality. Right. How you play this game really is.

[Van Lathan]

Is about who you are.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, football is a game of violent collisions and, and.

[Van Lathan]

And certainly from an offensive line standpoint.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, everybody's going to look towards the physicality there on the offensive line. Those are the best five guys we got out there. If, if we had, you know, another group, we certainly play them as well. So I listen, everybody is going to look at this and has their opinions, and I respect everybody's opinion.

[Van Lathan]

But there's no doubt that anytime you.

[Joel Anderson]

Evaluate your football team, the first thing you're going to look for is physicality.

[Van Lathan]

I run a restaurant. I baked the cake. You guys eating the cake. You didn't like the cake? Tell me, say to me, say, hey, this cake didn't taste good.

[Joel Anderson]

This cake didn't taste good, man. What's going on with it?

[Van Lathan]

I'll tell you what's going on. Sometimes you have a cake, right? And you, you. You want to make the best cake.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, of course.

[Van Lathan]

You put the eggs in the cake, you make your frosting sweet. You bake the cake, you watch the cake, and sometimes you make a cake, and then, you know, the cake just isn't there yet. The cake, you've made it, you've put it in there. You've put all. It's your cake, right? You're responsible for it. You baked the motherfucker. You baked it. It's your cake. But then your cake is not physical, okay? Your cake gets ran over. Your cake can't run the ball, but it's not your fault. You put all the ingredients together. You were the one that watched the cake.

[Tate Frazier]

You're blaming the ingredients.

[Van Lathan]

You're blaming the ingredients.

[Tate Frazier]

And you're also, what's up with this sugar?

[Van Lathan]

And you're also saying, sometimes I just bake a cake and the cake is all fucked up and there's no one to blame. There's no one to blame. Sometimes I just put sugar, water, flour, eggs, all of that, I whip the motherfucker, I do the whole thing, I give it to you, it loses to Vanderbilt and there's no one to blame. It's just a cake. We're gonna keep getting better every. Every year, every fucking week at losing. What the fuck kind of answer was that like? Like, you know what the thing is, Coach? Why aren't we physical? Well, could be myriad reasons. Are we injured? Are we playing young players? Is it strength and conditioning? What is the reason that DJ Chester shout out to that young man? Not he's going to start at left tackle for lsu. And I give DJ Chester so much credit. But the reality is the entire world saw DJ Chester get blown off the ball. So the question is not about him. Because every time the fucking team asks him to plug in on the offensive line, he answers the bell. If it's center, if it's guard, if it's tackle, he is there. The question is, why aren't some of these guys getting better? And that's not on them. That is on the man and the staff that they trusted to develop them. Nobody on that staff, nobody in that locker room wants to lose. Everybody wants to win. The entire staff.

[Tate Frazier]

It's a lot more fun in lsu.

[Van Lathan]

Everybody wants to win. We know that. You do not have to come out and give a press conference where you tell us that nobody wants to lose. We know they want to win. The question is why? Why are they playing below their talent level? Why are we not developing offensive linemen? Why did our defense, when we came out and knew that we had a quarterback that was a running quarterback, why didn't we have a scheme in place to mitigate that? Why, when we needed a touchdown, are there guys that are false starting and dropping us back where we. What's the thing that's being communicated from the staff that is not getting to the players and resulting in not just winning football? It's not winning football. Winning, winning football, Winning football, winning the game. I'm talking about dominating at lsu. I'm Talking about. I'm talking about motherfucking Eric Reed. I'm talking about Devin White. I'm talking about Greedy. I'm talking about Del Pitt.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Duke Riley.

[Van Lathan]

I'm talking about Duke Riley. Shout out. Duke Riley made some good decisions in his life after football, too. Look, but I'm. I'm talking about lsu. I'm talking about knocking people off the ball, man. I'm talking to. I'm talking about Charles Scott.

[Tate Frazier]

There you go.

[Van Lathan]

Y' all remember Charles Scott?

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Do you remember Charles Scott?

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

You know, I'm talking about. I'm talking about lsu. We not lsu. We not lsu. Why aren't we lsu? That's the question. Scone, Blake, jock, one of y' all that's in that room, ask Brian Kelly. Why we not lsu? That's the question. Fuck all the other shit. Because if you ask him why we ain't winning the games, he's going to go. We expect to win, and we have a great opportunity. We're excited to play Texas A and.

[Tate Frazier]

M spoiled at one point.

[Van Lathan]

We're excited to play Texas A and M. We're always excited.

[Tate Frazier]

We.

[Van Lathan]

We're excited for the challenge. Why aren't we LSU right now? We can look at it and see that we're not. We know that everybody wants to win. Everybody's working. These guys are working their tails off. We know, bruh. They're working hard. Everyone is working hard. Everybody wants to win. Everybody is all in 100, the whole thing. Well, everybody's there. What's wrong?

[Tate Frazier]

At least he won the season.

[Joel Anderson]

I just want to so people that are watching the show Understand LSU is 5 and 2 with two losses on the road to top 20 teams.

[Van Lathan]

I don't give a fuck about what you talking about. What the fuck do that mean?

[Tate Frazier]

Currently ranked top.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, I'm just saying. I'm just like. I mean, again, they're not. They didn't lose to Southeast Louisiana. You know what I mean? Like, they lost. I mean, again, we gotta close the show. Oh, no, no. Here, look.

[Van Lathan]

Hold on.

[Joel Anderson]

Stop, stop.

[Van Lathan]

We gotta close the show.

[Joel Anderson]

No, no, no. Okay, It. It is unacceptable. They got bullied by Vanderbilt. It is to go back. I understand. You got money on the. You got money wrapped up. It's even deeper than that.

[Van Lathan]

Dorsey, Chad Lapola. Okay, like what? Marcus Spears. Spears eligibility.

[Tate Frazier]

Marcus Spears, son, by the way, number one player in the country. He's real cold.

[Van Lathan]

Marcus Spears Jr. Cold.

[Tate Frazier]

I'm big.

[Van Lathan]

How about this? How about, you know, I'm gonna do.

[Joel Anderson]

His daughter's cold.

[Van Lathan]

How about this. Volleyball.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Marcus Spears, whole family. How about this? You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna take any nil money that I've sent to LSU before going to Marcus Spears. I want Marcus Spears Jr. That's what I'm gonna do.

[Tate Frazier]

The next Ben Simmons.

[Van Lathan]

I'm a. Yeah, don't do that.

[Tate Frazier]

No, I mean, number one player.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. I'm gonna invest into that because we need him. We need him. He might have to get out there and catch some passes. We might have to throw it out.

[Tate Frazier]

Little Julius Peppers.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man, he was pretty good.

[Van Lathan]

Marcus Spears was a dog.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, he was a tight end, too, once.

[Van Lathan]

A tight end. Oh, he was a dog. That's a. That's a. That's one of the all time Southern Lab kittens right there. So there's a dog.

[Joel Anderson]

Who was the kid from Southern Lab? Chad.

[Van Lathan]

Talking about Chad Jones.

[Joel Anderson]

That's it. That's the one. The safety. Yeah. Baseball. Baseball, football.

[Van Lathan]

Baseball, football.

[Tate Frazier]

He did more. Two sporting athletes.

[Van Lathan]

Louisiana's Bo Jackson. Once again, a dog. Okay, once again, a dog.

[Tate Frazier]

What in the Coastal Carolina. We need more dogs.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, what about dog. Hey, what about Craig Stouts? Oh, what about Craig Stouts? Jack Hunt.

[Joel Anderson]

Who's the Demetrius?

[Van Lathan]

Hook Fin. What about these?

[Joel Anderson]

What?

[Van Lathan]

What? Rondell Melee.

[Joel Anderson]

Rondell Melee.

[Van Lathan]

What about Rondell Mealy and Herb Tyler?

[Joel Anderson]

What about.

[Van Lathan]

What about lebrandon Tofield, man? What about. I'm talking about. I'm talking about dogs, bro.

[Joel Anderson]

Derek Stingley Jr.

[Van Lathan]

Dogs. Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Jamar Chase. Justin Jefferson. Dog.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, yeah, that got that guy.

[Joel Anderson]

Brandon Harris. You think Harris was a dog?

[Van Lathan]

I like Brandon Harris.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I thought he was a dog. I thought he was poorly developed.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. All right. He's a good guy.

[Van Lathan]

Still a great guy.

[Joel Anderson]

Shout out.

[Van Lathan]

I think he works in Texas or something.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, yeah, he is. He's the GM there. Yeah. Parkview High School in Bossier City. Burning hair.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. So anyway, I'm just saying, you know, I know. And this. I'm not saying this team ain't got dogs.

[Joel Anderson]

Mar.

[Van Lathan]

Marcel Delane is a dog. Whis is a dog. Harold Perkins is a dog. I'm not saying they ain't got dogs.

[Joel Anderson]

Kaden Durham.

[Van Lathan]

I'm saying they got dogs. They got dogs. Harlem Bear. I'm not saying these guys ain't dogs. I'm not saying they don't. I'm just saying why ain't they barking, man? That's it. That's all we want to know. And we don't want to. We don't want to.

[Tate Frazier]

They've been They've been neutered by the coach.

[Van Lathan]

Last thing I say, this ain't no Microsoft Tech conference.

[Joel Anderson]

All that.

[Van Lathan]

Like, you're not. You might as well put Brian Kelly in a turtleneck and have him. Have him introduce a new product. This ain't about Windows IE as. Don't talk to us like you giving us a dissertation with a. With a slideshow like y' all don't understand football. Like, talk to us. We see on the thing. Dogs. Dogs.

[Joel Anderson]

Anyway, that's it, man, that's too bad, bro.

[Van Lathan]

Shut up.

[Joel Anderson]

That's just. I mean, I feel. I. I understand. It's somebody with a head coach that I'm not excited about. About. I. I understand.

[Van Lathan]

Man, tcu, bro, you got so much to say about every other program.

[Joel Anderson]

We've been in the national championship game more recently than lsu. Yeah, but have you won it?

[Van Lathan]

Have you won it?

[Tate Frazier]

I was at that game. They did not win.

[Van Lathan]

They got the. They got that. Whoa. Bust up that ass. They did not have.

[Joel Anderson]

Y' all want.

[Van Lathan]

You busted that. Us. What? What happened?

[Joel Anderson]

I've never. I've never been part of a school that lost to Vanderbilt.

[Van Lathan]

You bus. You busted that. You busted that. Us. Yeah, you busted that.

[Joel Anderson]

And that's what Vanderbilt did to you.

[Van Lathan]

Busted. That is true.

[Joel Anderson]

That's right.

[Van Lathan]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold.

[Joel Anderson]

On, hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Van Lathan]

Vanderbilt won.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

What happened to TCU was.

[Tate Frazier]

That was a belt ass.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, he busted that ass. It sent you back. It sent you back, bro.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay. That's all fine. That's fine. It happened. If it happened in the championship game, I guess that's why I got a little bit. Everybody in college football was watching us play football that night.

[Van Lathan]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joel Anderson]

You said LSU got a chance. They was watching TCU play in the national championship game.

[Van Lathan]

N. We probably weren't. We probably. Actually. Probably, Probably.

[Tate Frazier]

Quentin Johnson, by the way, now played for the Chargers. That was his first game in. So far.

[Van Lathan]

Just to keep it real, like, we haven't gotten that ass busting national championship. Alabama did that. But, but, but, but, but what was it? What was the TCU game? What was the score?

[Tate Frazier]

69 to 7, I think. Right.

[Van Lathan]

Not like that, though. That's a bust of that ass.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay.

[Tate Frazier]

I. I stayed. I stayed because I was like, this is history.

[Van Lathan]

You stayed at the game?

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, if you got to lose in the national championship game, that's. You know, it'll happen sometimes.

[Van Lathan]

Christians ain't lost that bad since the dark ages, bro.

[Tate Frazier]

That's what people were Saying.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

What the. All right. I mean, T. Man, Tate, man, what happened? What happened?

[Tate Frazier]

I'm just saying I was shocked after.

[Joel Anderson]

He heard you out. I didn't even say nothing about what we did to unc, man.

[Tate Frazier]

I know. I was like, I got nothing to say.

[Joel Anderson]

I didn't say anything.

[Tate Frazier]

I got nothing to say. I got nothing to say. Look at Carolina football. We got nothing. So, parting shots before we get out of here?

[Joel Anderson]

Last thing, man. Well, first of all, man, it's just good to, you know, to fellowship. Yeah, man. I'm glad we got to do this, man.

[Tate Frazier]

So much better. So much better.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Hopefully we get to do this again sometime soon. Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

Joel's moving to la.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I would love to, man. Like I said, if somebody wants to help me put the pressure, more money, I'll do it. You know, Trust me directly on the.

[Van Lathan]

Show in this current climate.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. Well, I mean, I'm very grateful. I'm very happy for the positions I have. I have a great, good job. I'm not very happy, but if you want to take it to the next level. You want me to come out here to la, I'm gonna need. I'm gonna need four bedrooms.

[Van Lathan]

I don't know, man.

[Joel Anderson]

That's tough.

[Tate Frazier]

You got kids.

[Joel Anderson]

I got kids.

[Van Lathan]

Joe, you gotta read the room when you're talking that type of stuff.

[Joel Anderson]

I gotta get kids, man. You know what? I. Mike Loxley, because this is Maryland football segment here, man. They gonna fire your black ass, bro.

[Tate Frazier]

Oh, no.

[Joel Anderson]

Black, black, black ass. They gonna fire it, man. He. He did that thing again, that September Maryland thing, which, like, got everybody's hopes excited.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Then you lost three straight.

[Tate Frazier]

That Washington game was really. That was the game.

[Joel Anderson]

That's when it flipped.

[Tate Frazier]

You know what I mean? They were up at the entire game.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man, they got India, they got. They got Indiana, the next man, you know, and just I. I hope.

[Tate Frazier]

I think for Joel, I think UCLA or Maryland has to beat Indiana. You know what I mean? I would think that saves face. I would really.

[Joel Anderson]

It would make me. It would, because I don't have a lot of hope in tcu. Like, I just kind of just let that go this year. But, yeah, man, I just. I really take a lot of. A lot of pride in what Nico's done, and I've supported him.

[Tate Frazier]

We had the Joe bowl last weekend.

[Joel Anderson]

You had the Joe bowl last weekend. I was not here for it, but.

[Tate Frazier]

You know, Nico got hurt. He's back now, so that's good news. Van. Any last parting shots, dogs? Just three.

[Van Lathan]

We ain't stupid, man. You know we ain't stupid. Like, this is the last thing I'll say. You're out with your boys. You know, you come home, your girl is sitting there, and you look at her and she asks for a hug and you go, oh, man, we was running around. I gotta take a shower before I hug you. She not stupid.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

Oh, yeah. You're like, how good does Antonio Banderas look?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

She allowed you to take the shower because she didn't want that stink on her. She's not stupid, though. She knows what happened. And we know.

[Joel Anderson]

Wow. What happened.

[Van Lathan]

Shut up. And we know. That's all I'm saying. We know we fucking with you. We support. All right.

[Tate Frazier]

But we know we need a better cake.

[Van Lathan]

We need a better cake, man. The cake analogy didn't really work, but still, like, we, we, we, we. We know dogs. And I'm looking forward to college football weekend.

[Tate Frazier]

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