The Firing of Brian Kelly and a Look at LSU’s Future

Summary

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Ringer Tailgate – Episode Summary

The Firing of Brian Kelly and LSU’s Future

Date: October 29, 2025
Hosts: Van Lathan, Joel Anderson, Tate Frazier

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Episode Overview

This episode of Ringer Tailgate dives deep into LSU's shocking decision to fire head football coach Brian Kelly. The hosts dissect the layers behind Kelly’s dismissal, analyze the current and future culture of LSU football, debate the next coaching hire, and reflect on the perils and peculiarities of modern college football leadership. Expect a blend of sharp analysis, brutally honest fan perspectives, and classic panel banter with plenty of SEC flavor.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Opening Reactions: Brian Kelly is Out

• The hosts immediately react to the firing:
  • Van Lathan is unreservedly celebratory, attributing the moment in part to “hoodoo, not voodoo” (00:44), a nod to the Louisiana cultural underpinnings and his mother’s folk practices:

    “Hoodoo is root work and energy manipulation, and that is what we do... Things have to get worse before they get better. But we are on the path.” – Van Lathan (00:49)

  • Joel Anderson comes dressed as an LSU Tiger, leaning into the Halloween spirit and his lifelong fandom (01:21).
  • The conversation is instantly light—full of inside jokes and Louisiana lore—setting the show’s signature tone.

2. The Emotional Fallout and LSU’s Culture

• Van delivers a powerful metaphor comparing LSU’s loss to a Game of Thrones-style defeat:

  “Losing a game is one thing, but having your culture conquered is a completely different thing... They hung the banner of the Flayed man over Winterfell… That's what happened on Saturday night... The next LSU coach is going to have to rehang the banners back over Tiger Stadium.” – Van Lathan (03:53-06:09)

• LSU’s identity is tied to football in a unique way:

  “It's one of the only unifying things that we have in our state. So when that falls, the person that's in charge of it is going to fall, too. And that's what happened to Brian Kelly.” – Van Lathan (07:31)

3. Why Did Kelly Fail?

• Joel explores the personal and systemic issues surrounding Kelly:

  • Stories of Kelly’s interpersonal failings and notorious insensitivity (e.g., not reaching out to player families, infamous snow-shoveling incident with then-grad assistants Robert Salah and Matt LaFleur).
  • Kelly’s background littered with red flags—compare to other controversial coaching figures.

    “I didn't realize people disliked Brian Kelly this much... If he just won a few more games, man… a lot of this stuff just doesn't come up.” – Joel Anderson (08:10-11:56)

• Van: Kelly was never truly “in” at LSU, neither embracing nor being embraced by the local culture. His lack of sweat equity, questionable hires and firings (legendary strength coach Tommy Moffett, Mike Denbrock), and a transactional relationship with players sealed his fate:

  “Brian Kelly did not put as much into us as we did in him… There was a glitch in the translation between what the head coach was doing and who the players felt like they were playing for.” – Van Lathan (15:09, 18:56)

• Player reaction is telling: Multiple former and current players celebrated online after the firing, a rarity even compared to past coach dismissals.

4. What Was the Final Straw?

• Missteps started early: the infamous “family” accent at the basketball game, awkward recruiting videos, and alienating foundational staff.
• The “point of no return” came with mounting losses, disconnect from players, and amplified scrutiny in a make-or-break season.

  “So many LSU players…have taken this opportunity to dance on the grave of their former head coach.” – Van Lathan (18:49)
  “If he had lost the game and it was a close game… Is it possible that Brian Kelly would still be the coach of LSU? Yeah, it is. But… still be a conversation being had.” – Van Lathan (21:22)

5. The Firing’s Symbolism and Buyout Details

• Kelly’s ouster was a statewide event—negotiated at the Governor’s Mansion—and his legacy is one of isolation:

  “We get the last shot of him at Superior Grill by himself…he had nobody around him. He's the most isolated man in Louisiana.” – Tate Frazier (30:05)

• Massive buyout: $53.8 million, delivered in part via $800K/month for "morality clause" compliance.

6. LSU’s Next Move: Coaching Candidates and Philosophical Direction

• The coaching search is wide open, with fan and institutional expectations sky-high:

  • High-profile “names” (Lane Kiffin, Marcus Freeman, Joe Brady, Urban Meyer, even calls for Nick Saban's return).
  • Out-of-the-box suggestion: Willie Fritz (Houston). Proven winner in LSU’s footprint, but a long shot (41:28-44:21).
  • Ed Orgeron (Coach O) makes a cameo as a potential “comeback” story.
  • Emphasis: Forget “winning the press conference”—hire based on fit, toughness, and cultural resonance.

  “Grind your tape. Look at how these teams responded when they were down… Which coach has a team that goes and gets that… plays with blood, soil, passion. That's what I'm talking about.” – Van Lathan (37:24-41:28)

• The “most entertaining” but least likely outcome would be Nick Saban’s return:

  “If Nick Saban came back to coach LSU, the birth rate in Baton Rouge would go down because everybody would bust a nut collectively at the same time.” – Van Lathan (47:00)

7. Wild Banter and College Football Coaching Culture

• SEC coaches group chat: speculation on who kicks fired coaches (like Kelly) out, and group chat admin drama (34:16-36:46).
• Overreaction of the week: Coach Prime compares fast coaching turnovers and buyouts to “BBL culture” (Brazilian butt lifts):

  “Everyone wants the quick fix. You can get a BBL, you can come in here flat as I don’t know what and leave thick as a snicker.” – Coach Prime (played at 55:24)

• Lively exchange on whether four years is enough time for a coach—Van argues yes, and lampoons Deion Sanders’ pop culture fluency (57:35-60:10).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

“Losing a game is one thing, but having your culture conquered is a completely different thing… The next LSU coach is going to have to rehang the banners back over Tiger Stadium.”
– Van Lathan (03:53-06:09)

“I just wonder how different all of this would have been, man… Would Brian Kelly have survived?”
– Joel Anderson (19:52-21:07)

“What matters to me is what happens on the field. But there were two things that I saw… I looked at that and I’m like, that’s odd… he didn’t give a fuck that he [Brian Kelly] was there.”
– Van Lathan, on Kelly’s lack of player bond (27:58-28:34)

“Every time somebody do a Griddy, you own LSU dick… all of that, that's LSU and that's the culture that we're talking about.”
– Van Lathan (06:38)

“The most entertaining outcome? Nick Saban. That's by far the most entertaining outcome... if Nick Saban came back… everybody would bust a nut collectively at the same time.”
– Van Lathan (46:56-47:40)

“Joking about Coach O... If Coach O has learned... that's a guy the players play hard for. That's a guy that can recruit his ass off... What he didn't have was focus. If getting kicked in his ass returns that focus, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.”
– Van Lathan on a possible Orgeron return (50:01-52:25)

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Timestamped Highlights

• [03:53] Van’s Game of Thrones analogy—how culture was “conquered” at Tiger Stadium.
• [11:56] Van on accepting “asshole” behavior in coaches when winning, and Kelly’s failures both culturally and competitively.
• [15:09-18:49] Analysis of Kelly’s staff changes, disastrous hires, alienation of key program veterans.
• [27:58] Will Campbell’s NFL draft moment: revealing player-coach disconnect with Kelly.
• [30:05] The “Superior Grill” anecdote as Kelly’s isolating end.
• [36:51-41:28] Van’s “not a dealer thing, it’s a dope thing” speech, outlining how LSU should choose its next coach.
• [47:00] Van’s classic Saban punchline about what would happen in Baton Rouge if Nick Saban returns.
• [55:24] Coach Prime’s viral BBL analogy on instantaneous coaching hires and fires.
• [62:24] Pause of the week: Kirby Smart’s unexpectedly suggestive quote.

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Tone & Banter

The episode is uproariously candid, full of local flavor (Louisiana, SEC, cultural identity), and brimming with irreverence, especially in its critique of coaching personalities and the absurdities of modern college football. The panel's LSU passion is woven throughout, mixing dark humor, raw fandom, and sharp critique.

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Other Fun Segments

• SEC Group Chat (34:16-36:46): Who manages it, who gets kicked out, and how it goes down.
• Start, Bench, Cut (63:36-67:20): Forced to choose between recently fired coaches: James Franklin, Billy Napier, and Brian Kelly.
• Previewing the Week in College Football: Framing the coming slate as “the Joel Anderson player haters ball” weekend for spoilers and upsets. (70:14-74:10)
• North Carolina Tar Heels Mascot/Racial History Tangent (90:25-95:31): An extended, wildly comic discussion about mascot origins and problematic traditions.

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For Those Who Haven’t Listened

You’ll come away from this episode understanding why Brian Kelly didn’t last at LSU (on-field underperformance, culture clash, lack of connection), what the LSU job means to the state and its fanbase, and why LSU’s coaching search is both the most coveted—and most chaotic—in the sport. The hosts’ humor, storytelling, and deep football insight make the stakes and emotions palpable, while also poking fun at the quirks, scandals, and wild energy of college football 2025.

This episode is a must-listen for:

• LSU fans in need of catharsis or validation for the Kelly firing
• SEC diehards addicted to coaching drama
• Anyone interested in the cultural history of modern college football and its excesses

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Transcript

[Joel Anderson]

Foreign.

[Tate Frazier]

Welcome back to Ringer Tailgate, the Wednesday edition of the show. We are fired up. We got Joel Anderson back in the building. Happy to have him here. Van Lathan in studio, as always. And before we get into this show, because we got a lot to get to, of course, Brian Kelly, ding dong, the witch is dead. And we have to give some credit here to Van Lathan. I don't know if it was hoodoo or voodoo on both sides. Van, I wanted to get your reaction on this because I've had some people reach out to me. They said Van was using hoodoo, not voodoo. Voodoo is like the standardized version of this. And hoodoo is more of, like, the practical day to day. But I wanted to turn to you. You want to give credit to hoodoo, not voodoo, Correct?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. I never said voodoo.

[Tate Frazier]

Who do. I said voodoo. That was the problem. I got called out for it. Yes.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Hoodoo is root work and energy manipulation, and that is what we do. I don't know my mom to be a voodoo practitioner, but hoodoo, it's something that we did. We had to get it. And things have to be. They have to get worse before they get better. But we are on the path, and.

[Tate Frazier]

We'Re on a great path right now. So I wanted to shout out that. That was a big moment, obviously, for the show. Shout out to Van. Shout out to Van's mom, of course. And let's say what's up to Joel Anderson, who is in a tiger costume looking like the number one LSU fan. Joel, what's going on? How you doing, man?

[Joel Anderson]

Well, I am the number one LSU fan, and I thought this. We had talked about doing a Halloween show in Halloween on Friday. We're not having Halloween.

[Tate Frazier]

I'm dressed up as Kalen DeBoer. I got my black Polari.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. My understanding was that we were dressing up for a Halloween show, but, you know, I guess that didn't work out. But either way, I'm still the number one LSU fan. You know, I go all the way back to, you know, you know, my boy Kevin Falk, you know, could go all the way back to that Tyler, you know, I mean, you might. I might. I might even throw a little Billy Cannon on y'. All.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, nice cannon.

[Joel Anderson]

A former Houston oiler, you know, so, yeah, I'm. I'm. I go all the way back with.

[Van Lathan]

John Ed Bradley, counterfeiter. The old counterfeiter.

[Joel Anderson]

Billy Cannon, the old counter. That's right. That's right. John Ed Bradley. It never rains in Tiger Stadium, you know, so. Yeah, I know I know all about it, man. I've been there since the beginning. My family's from South Louisiana, so yeah, I'm one of the biggest fans there is, man.

[Tate Frazier]

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[Van Lathan]

I knew that was going to happen. You guys have to understand what happened Saturday night. Saturday night was not an LSU loss to Texas A and M. Texas A and M conquered Baton Rouge on Saturday night. And losing a game is one thing, but having your culture conquered is a completely different thing. I mentioned this before, but if you guys ever watch Game of Thrones. And you watched the north, right? Where the Stark family reigned. The seat of the north is Winterfell. And when the Boltons conquered Winterfell, they hung the banner of the Flayed man over the side of Winterfell. And the entire audience went, oh, shit. They're in your castle doing whatever it is that they want to do. It was a crazy moment for the whole audience. This family, this culture, this group of people that have become synonymous with this area, to watch somebody else go over there and conquer it. And you thought to yourself, what set of circumstances, like, how deep is the shit that we are in in the North? For Winterfell to have been conquered by Ramsay Bolton and the Boltons, Ramsey and his dad and all of those people, it deepened it to see that happen. And that's what happened on Saturday night, right? Of course, the Starks end up getting Winterfell back. And when they get it back, there's not even this big, huge parades and this. They just hang the banner of the direwolf back over the side of the castle and everything feels right with the world. That is essentially what the next LSU coach is going to have to do. They're going to have to rehang the banners back over the side of Tiger Stadium. Because losing the game is one thing, but having them come in and send our guys running, send our boys to the locker room. There was disarray. Frank Wilson is trying to get the players on the field for the alma mater. Brian Kelly has left the field. Like, he has to be called back. The players have to be called back. There is dancing, like, shout out to my man Preston Guy. He tweeted. He says, Baton Rouge has fallen. And look, this sounds stupid to you guys. I get it. I know it sounds stupid. I understand that it sounds stupid. It's just not. It's not stupid. We take it seriously.

[Tate Frazier]

I don't think it's stupid.

[Van Lathan]

Like, we. Like, we take it seriously. This means something to us. I don't know if it means more in the sec. That's a slogan, but I'm motherfucking damn sure know that it means more in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. And it's one thing to lose, but to have somebody come in there and do what they did Saturday night, y' all can say, what the fuck, y'.

[Joel Anderson]

All.

[Van Lathan]

We not going for that. We're not.

[Tate Frazier]

Control them after the game, right? With the get the Gad celebration, right?

[Van Lathan]

A lot of stuff going on. If we beat Texas A and M like that, and we had to do a dance, we wouldn't even know what dance to do. So, I mean, like, that's fine. Like, they run, they can talk they shit. But them doing the get the gat dance just reiterates, like Ryan Clark said, the presence of LSU and the culture that LSU has and how it's represented across football. Every time somebody do a gritty, you own lsu, dick. Every time one of your people. Gritties, we made that up. That comes from us. Every. Like, a lot of this stuff, all of that, that's lsu and that's the culture that we're talking about, and we take that seriously, and it means something to us. Like I said before, it's one of the only unifying things that we have in our state. So when that falls, the person that's in charge of it is going to fall, too. And that's what happened to Brian Kelly.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, that was very passionate. And I understand that, you know, that Van has wanted this, that he wanted Brian Kelly to leave, and he was not satisfied with the product on the field.

[Tate Frazier]

Van, you deserve credit. You did this. We did this on the show.

[Van Lathan]

Root work. Hoodoo. Had to happen. Had to happen.

[Joel Anderson]

Very, very, very. You know, and look, as myself, LSU fan remembers the Mike Archer and Curly hallman and Jerry DiNardo years, you know, restoring the culture of the LSU that I grew up with. I understand that Brian Kelly, I can't.

[Tate Frazier]

Get over this costume.

[Joel Anderson]

That Brian Kelly, you know, failed to live up to the wonderful standards of those gentlemen right there. Right. But more important than that, I think what kind of has taken my breath away is I didn't realize people disliked Brian Kelly this much. Right. Like, I knew that he was a reviled figure. Like, you know, anytime you tweet about Brian Kelly, there'll be somebody from north, from Notre Dame that will remind you of what happened 15 years ago when he sent Decline Sullivan up on the, you know, the thing at practice, and he died in a tragic accident. Right. Like, people will remind you of that over and over again about Brian Kelly, that he' partially responsible for that and that we find out, oh, he didn't treat people very well. And people are coming out and saying that, and you can look online and see that people are not very. They're basically celebrating the man got fired. But, you know, the reason I jokingly suggest Art Briles as a candidate for these open jobs is because he's not really that much worse than some of the guys that we look fondly upon. Like, I'm generally cynical about head coaches, and some of that is my own experience through the game. And as both a player and covering it, right? So you really can't surprise me with stories about their narcissism or sociopathy, any of that stuff. Like Lou Holtz cut an ad for Jesse Helms in his office. We know what happened under Joe Paterno. Bobby Brown's attitude toward rape reflected in the people that he's defended and protected isn't one that reflects on him very well. And I should say here, the guys that I had the privilege of playing for, Pat Sullivan, Dennis Francione, were actually good men, as far as I could tell. Like, I have nothing bad to say about them, but I'm just thinking about the stories that are coming out about Brian Kelly, man. Like there's that ESPN story that people are referring back to with Robert Salah and Matt LaFleur talking about they were grad assistants at Central Michigan and thought they were going to a party at Brian Kelly's house. And it was like the old McDowell's joint at the McDowell's Christmas party and coming to America, it's like, oh, no, actually, you guys, you guys, you guys.

[Tate Frazier]

Are shoveling snow, you're parking cars.

[Joel Anderson]

Parking cars. Yeah, bro. Like, Brian Kelly did that in real life. He was the real Cleo McDowell, right? We've heard from Kyren Lacey's dad that Brian Kelly never reached out to him or the family man, which is like, wow, that's shocking to me, right? But I think it's just kind of weird that if he just won a few more games, man, if things looked a little bit differently, if Nuss was more healthy, if he had more reinforcements for offensive line, that was good last year, but is poor this year, then a lot of this stuff just doesn't come up, man. And then I'm just like the guys that people that you know, that are beloved at LSU now, like Les Miles, right, lost his job at Kansas because of his behavior with women in Baton Rouge, right? Like, they would not allow him around coeds for three years before he got fired. Look, man, Coach O seems like a fun guy, but like he has stuff in his background where he's like, he ignored a 74 year old woman's allegation of sexually harassed, of being sexually harassed by Darius Geist, Frank Wilson. If you look up his, his case right now at lsu, you can look it up. I'm not saying this to make it less fun and I'm not really defending Brian Kelly, but I know we're all in this for the wins and losses and fun and shit talking and all that stuff, but I just don't think Brian Kelly is the worst person in the history of college football. And it feels like he's been treated that way. Maybe he needs to work on his interpersonal communication skills. You know, I don't think he's going to probably coach again, but it just feels like from some perspective there are more people that are detestable than Brian Kelly in college football. And I just kind of feel like I hadn't seen that reflected in the past few days.

[Van Lathan]

So a couple of things here. One that's another reason why this is such a nut kick to the people at LSU is because I constantly heard about what an asshole Brian Kelly was from everyone, everybody shout out to my man Mecca. Mecca's my guy. I got him blocked right now on Twitter. But that's my man. That's like my guy. Everybody. They hated Brian Kelly. Brian Kelly's an asshole or whatever that's been around. People have talked about it for a long time. I have a news flash for other people that are watching this that might not know. Men who behave badly in all different walks of life are typically given passes if they are hyper successful. If you were to talk about Bill Clinton, if you were to talk about Steve Jobs, if you were to talk about Bill Gates, if you were to talk about any number of highly successful men, you are going to hear stories of about these highly successful men and how their type A personalities go from criminal to this guy's a real drag to be around. So the fact that a successful person or a person that's in charge of people's emotions on one day of the week is given a pass for their personal peccadilloes because they're good at what they do is a tale as old as time and it has existed everywhere. College football is just another. Whether it's the director, whether it's the producer, whether it's whatever. What you can hope is that these people that we're talking about don't put people in situations where they are unsafe. As in the case of Jerry Sandusky, in the case of some people say about Art Briles or whomever else it will be or some of the other men that you just mentioned, that's a completely different other thing. Something that people should not excuse in any way, shape or form. So what you hope. But as far as these guys being who they are, remember Jimbo Fisher? Everybody's talking about Nick Saban. Jimbo Fisher went public a couple of years ago talking about how terrible of a person he thinks Nick Saban is. That's Jimbo Fisher's opinion of Nick Saban. I don't try to litigate which one of these guys is the greatest guy, man. I hope that there are gentlemen involved in these, in these conversations. I hope anywhere that young men, young people are being guided, that these people are gentlemen and they care about what kind of people that they're making. That's one thing. We can put that to the side, right. Clay Helton, from all accounts and purposes, and for all accounts, should I say, is one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. They got Clay Helton the fuck up out of there because he didn't win enough football games, Right. Don't know all of the stuff that happened in Notre Dame, all this other stuff. I'd always heard about it. We heard the jokes. We heard the jokes. We heard the conversation about Brian Kelly and we defended him because he was our coach. We defended him against the Notre Dame people who were super upset and turned out to be 100% right about him. We defended them for all the people. And then Brian Kelly did not put as much into us as we did in him. Brian Kelly is the guy who you hear about wasn't really locked in with the recruiting or was playing golf and all of that stuff. So we take our coaches seriously and we protect our coaches, no matter what kind of guys that they are. We hope that they're good guys, but at the same time, there's a sweat equity that's in exchange for that. And it doesn't seem like Coach Kelly was about that.

[Joel Anderson]

It's so.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Joel Anderson]

No, go ahead, take. Go ahead, take.

[Tate Frazier]

No, I was just going to say it does feel like one of those things, too, where all these stories are coming out. And it does feel like, yes, Brian Kelly has had this very checkered past, to say the least, with all these different stories. But, I mean, just with the LSU version of it, it really started off on the wrong foot. He goes to that basketball game, he does the family Southern impersonation, right? That was very strange. He also promises that they're going to win every game that they play. He then, you know, from there moves on, and it's basically like doing the strange recruiting video. So from the jump, it was very awkward, and I just wanted to kind of get your thoughts on, like, when it really went off the rails. Yes, he's playing a lot of golf. Yes, he fired coordinators that he probably shouldn't have. I mean, Den Brock's in his wedding, for God's sakes, and he fires him. And now he's at Notre Dame doing great things. So, I mean, there's so many missteps along the way. But, like, when did he officially get off the rails, where it's like, there's no way he gets back on the rails. In your opinion, Van, I'll go to you first, then we'll. We'll go back and. And work through this.

[Van Lathan]

Well, the hires. The hires were.

[Joel Anderson]

Were.

[Van Lathan]

Were. Were bad. A couple of the guys that he fired. People are talking about the Tommy Moffett thing. Tommy. Tommy Moffett is a legendary strength coach. A legendary.

[Tate Frazier]

With A and M who got to basically dance on his grave this weekend. Right, right.

[Van Lathan]

Tommy Moffat, legendary. And. And Brian Kelly fired him. There are a lot of people who can, you know, bring up the fact that prior to Brian Kelly arriving in Baton Rouge, that there were LSU teams that were straight up getting punked, and Tommy Moffatt was a strength coach there. If I would have been, I would have retained Corey Raymond. I would have retained Tommy Moffett. I think those guys were an integral part of the culture that LSU had built, but it was not like at that particular point when we were getting beat, you know, on the back end of the defense and getting pushed around, that those guys were untouchable. I think that if he would have asked around and taken a little bit more stock into the culture, he would have seen how much they mean to lsu and maybe he wouldn't have made the moves that he made. The Mike Denbrock situation is another situation. I've talked to people who straight up say that Brian Kelly chose Joe Sloan over Mike Denbrock, or maybe that it wasn't even Brian Kelly who chose him. It was people around Joe Sloan that Joe Sloan was insulated with and that Joe Sloan knew that made it so that Brian Kelly had to, like, bring Joe Sloan in and elevate him to a point to where he was along the same. On the same level as Mike Denbrock. Heard this story, told a bunch of different ways. The reality is that Mike Denbrock is a much, much, much better veteran offensive coordinator than Joe Sloan is. And so when you put the players on the field and you ask somebody to call plays and be in charge of the offense, you're rolling the dice with Joe Sloan, and you're leaning into a proven commodity with Mike Denbrock. It's a mistake. And that. That being that is all. Is one thing. All of this stuff is. Is what it is. You could argue it out. You know, sometimes you take a chance on a young coordinator, and it Works out. Sometimes you take a chance on a new defensive coordinator or somebody, you give that job to Matt House and it works out. Those things are things that you hope coaches can see. It's a part of their expertise. But there's one thing that to me is more alarming than any of this other stuff. So many LSU players shout out to Colin Hurley and some of the guys who have it right, but so many of the LSU players, big time prominent LSU players, have taken this opportunity to dance on the grave of their former head coach. Man, when some of these other guys were in trouble, that did not happen. The players did not react to Les Miles being canned. Like that did not happen.

[Tate Frazier]

Or coach. Oh, they didn't react to that. Malik Neighbors is kicking rocks on his Instagram story.

[Van Lathan]

Not just Malik Neighbors. So many guys that are looking at this as something that is vindicating for them. We're talking about guys who transferred out of LSU. Dwight McLaughlin, a guy who we could have really used, who turned into a fantastic cornerback. All of that that tells me that there was some glitch. If you remember Charles Turner, who started that offensive on the offensive line for lsu, said, yo, I played for Brian Kelly for a long time. He never really talked to me. We didn't really have that type of relationship. Two years ago, he says, that's probably not going to work at lsu. That's something that he might want to work on. So there was obviously something that was going on to where there was. There was a glitch in the translation between what the head coach was doing and who the players felt like they were playing for. So, you know, that to me has been the thing to where I'm like, whoa, they're happy he's gone. And that says something.

[Joel Anderson]

I absolutely support players coming out and airing this shit out. Like that is really important. And I know that certainly in the past, you know, it hadn't been up until recently that they've had some sort of leverage once they've signed their, you know, letter of intent. Right. Because usually once you sign your letter of intent, you kind of signed your rights away and you were you basically subject to the whims of whatever the coach is. So I can understand like why a lot of this stuff doesn't come out because once you're on the team, like, you usually didn't have an avenue. But this is why, just more generally like the freedom of player movement, the transfer portal. That's why I think it's great because so many kids have been in situations like this in the Past and really didn't have any avenue. Like they just had to wait it out or hope that, you know, they sit out of here and transfer someplace else. So I'm glad about that. Again, though, if they had lost 19 to 18, and I know they didn't. If they had lost 19, 18, I just wonder how different all of this would have been, man. You know, like, what the reaction would have been. Would Brian Kelly have survived? Like, was it. Like it was. It's a one game sample in four years. Although people are looking at the sample and they're looking at the program. I mean, I got. They're looking at the program.

[Van Lathan]

They're looking at a one.

[Joel Anderson]

So it's a. If you get. He got fired based on what? If they win that game? Van. That's all. I'm just saying. It's a totally different situation. Right, right. He doesn't get fired if he loses.

[Van Lathan]

If he.

[Joel Anderson]

If he beats A and M. Right.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, so let's put things into context. So LSU does not get Bryce Underwood. Right? So they don't get Bryce Underwood. So there's something that's called the million dollar match that happens. And I'll give Coach, Coach Kelly credit for this. He matches a million dollars into the NIL fund. Right. LSU then goes and gets. Spends all kinds of money in NIL on transfers. Brings in a lot of guys. Bauer, Sharp, Monster, Delaine, Jack Pyburn. Like, there's a lot of guys that are on the team right now that are brand new. Right. We spend all of this money in a poor state on a football team, and the football team was set to be out of playoff contention before November. If he had lost the game and it was a close game and a tight game and it would have not been the spiral that it ended up being. Is it possible that Brian Kelly would still be the coach of LSU right now? Yeah, it is. But there would still be a conversation being had There would still be a conversation being had right now on what this guy needs to win in Baton Rouge. Because this was supposed to be a year. A lot of people picked lsu. Not a lot of people. Some people picked LSU to win a national championship this year. I never did. Because the first team that wins a national championship with a terrible patchwork offensive line. Excuse me. The next team that wins the national championship with a terrible patchwork offensive line will be the first team that wins a national championship with a terrible patchwork offensive line. So I thought that the team could cover up the offensive line and maybe get to a point where they were a playoff team, two loss playoff team. But I didn't think that they had enough to go against some of these other gigantic teams that are really well put together and win. But still, though, the expectation going into this year was that it was a make or break year. Now, when you combine that with the fact that that not only did you lose, but you got housed, it was time to go. But the losses were still mounting, and might I add, they weren't necessarily over. That was a team that you still had to take to Tuscaloosa. That was a team that still has to play Oklahoma. That was a team that still had the opportunity not to have a bad season, but a disastrous season. And I think that a lot of people were just wondering, when is it going to happen? We had a fantastic offense, a national championship offense with Jaden Daniels, Malik Neighbors, Brian Thomas Jr. All kinds of dogs everywhere, Mason Taylor. But we couldn't get the defense right to where we could stop anyone to take advantage of it, and we couldn't be an elite team. It seemed as if a lot of people were wondering, was it ever going to happen for lsu? And we lost faith. And then Saturday happened.

[Joel Anderson]

Can I. Can I to pivot away from that? Because again, I know that Van has his finger on the pulse of the program, right? Even though, you know, I am the LSU fan here today. That's showing, right?

[Van Lathan]

Even though you're the number one guy.

[Joel Anderson]

Even though the number one guy. I know that people are going to differ with me on this, but I've always thought that this was a really strange response, man. I thought BK trying to do that voice, my family was sort of endearing because I meant he was trying, man. Sometimes when you get to a place and when you. You're in a place and you're around people, that is not your culture, that's not your own, a home that is not your own. You try to, like, settle in, to, like, show, hey, I'm okay with y'.

[Van Lathan]

All.

[Joel Anderson]

Like, I know where you're coming from. And I just thought I was like, man, people really dumped on him. But it's just. It's all a testament to how much people dislike him. And that's. I don't. What do they say in church? Favor ain't fair, right? He didn't have a lot of that. And so I just think that, like, people were inclined from the jump, though.

[Tate Frazier]

LSU was like, we're basically doing a deal with the devil, and as long as the devil wins, then we're okay. But when the devil's not winning, and he's being a jerk. And you. I think really the moment for me is when Nuss Meyer gets pulled from that game and Nuss Meyer is just disgusted with him. It's just like this. This team hates him. You know what I mean? Like, the former players hate him, the current players hate him. Like, how do you move forward at that point?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I saw little things is what I'll say. I mean, the voice didn't bother me. I thought it was funny. The dancing on, the twerking on the recruit. I thought it was. I thought this stuff was cringe, but it wasn't something that I was like, oh, my God, it's disqualifying. It wasn't something to where I thought he was trying. You know, it wasn't. It didn't try to escalate. What matters to me is what happens on the field. But there were two things that I saw that I was like, huh? One of them is a friend. Is something that I sent to my friend. Carter Bryant Carter, the power. On LSU YouTuber there was a segment where it's from the spring or from the fall where Garrett Nussmeier is miked up and LSU is. We're following our quarterback, Garrett Nussmeier. He's mic'd up. At the end of this. At the end of this, Brian Kelly is trying to talk to Garrett Nussmeier. He's coaching him on something. They're at practice. Garrett Nussenmaier is watching the twos work, and he. Something happens on the field. And Brian Kelly, while he's trying to talk to Garrett Nussmeier and tell Garrett Nussmeier stuff and have a little moment with him. Garrett Nussmeier goes coach. And then he starts running down the field, like, after the play. And I was like, huh, Interesting. It was interesting that he kind of, in that moment, kind of pulled away from the guidance or the counsel of his coach and was, boys being boys, if you known us. That's kind of his personality. Not that big of a deal. But then I thought about something else that I saw at the NFL draft. Will Campbell is at the NFL draft. He gets drafted, he leaves, and he's walking out the back of the thing after he's getting drafted, Brian Kelly is there with him. He kind of reaches out his hand to try to dap Will Campbell up or he's right there. Will takes the time to. To really have an embrace with three or four different people, right, that are seemingly in his inner circle. Here it is right here. Here it is. You watch. He's dapping people up. He's doing this whole nine. Look where Brian Kelly is like. Look what Brian Kelly is.

[Tate Frazier]

Brian Kelly actually does the. He kind of takes his hand and puts it like he's wiping his hair. He does a little, tries to catch it.

[Van Lathan]

Look at this. Look. Brian Kelly is in the background. He points and then he. He's not in anywhere. He's a guy just watching his. Dude. It's. I looked at that and I'm like, that's odd. And I tweeted about it. When it happened, I was like, did Will. Did Will Campbell just diss Brian Kelly? Did he just. Or even if he didn't diss him, he didn't give a fuck that he was there.

[Joel Anderson]

Right?

[Tate Frazier]

Super Louisiana kid, too.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Like, right. That. That played for his state. Started as a freshman. He kind of didn't even care that his coach was there. There was no moment between them. And it doesn't mean everything, but it doesn't mean nothing. I was just kind of like, huh, interesting.

[Joel Anderson]

I want to. Now. Now I feel like I feel the urge to. That we brought this up. See that? When Jaden Daniels won the Heisman, did he hug Brian Kelly?

[Van Lathan]

Don't remember. But I know that Brian Kelly was right there. I really don't remember. And look, these things are. These things are. I'm not going back. And being. I tweeted about it then, and I actually had some people that were in the sphere hit me up and go, yeah, it's kind of how it is, right? I tweeted about it then, but at the same time, like, that's not everything. But once again, it's not nothing. There was some type of wedge in between Brian Kelly and his team and the culture of people in South Louisiana. It wasn't connecting. And once you realize that, it's not going to connect. Fucking get rid of it. Don't do another year. Don't do another. Don't do. Don't stay in the bad relationship one second longer than you have to. And so I'm not happy that this man lost his job. I'm not happy that people now, because they're going to be staff changes that have to be made and all of that stuff, but it wasn't working. So what you gonna do?

[Tate Frazier]

And he's part of one of the largest buyouts in college football history, so he's gonna be all right. 53.8 million. Jimbo Fisher, obviously, 76.8 million. James Franklin, 49 million. So, I mean, Brian Kelly will Get his money. There was a negotiation there for the buyout. Right. He's getting $800,000 a month for some sort of morality clause, which is another layer of the whole conversation there. Also, this was all decided at the governor's mansion in Louisiana, apparently on Sunday, which is. It goes all the way to the top of the state with the decision to get rid of Brian Kelly. So that's how much these people. To go back to Joel's big reaction. The most hated man in Louisiana, obviously, is Brian Kelly. And we get the last shot of him at Superior Grill by himself, getting, you know, food by himself. Right. I mean, it was like he had nobody around him. He's the most isolated man in Louisiana.

[Joel Anderson]

I thought so. Superior is a Shreveport based chain because they had it when I lived in Shreveport.

[Tate Frazier]

It's all over, right?

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, yeah, I didn't realize it was in Baton Rouge. And I was like, okay, that's a good place to go get some margaritas and some food. That's a nice little Mexican joint.

[Tate Frazier]

But by yourself. I mean, to me, like, that shot was like that.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, what did Joe Flacco say the other day, man? You know, sometimes you look at a man city and he looks sad sometimes.

[Tate Frazier]

He was talking about Brian Kelly.

[Joel Anderson]

Sometimes the best meal you have are the ones you have alone, man.

[Van Lathan]

You know what's crazy? It's Superior Grill is in the Krispy Kreme family for me, you know why? So there's a Krispy Kreme on Plank Road right before you get to airline. And, man, for a long time, I thought we was the only place that had Krispy Kreme.

[Tate Frazier]

Hey, Krispy Kreme's from North Carolina.

[Van Lathan]

I thought Krispy Kreme was a Louisiana thing.

[Tate Frazier]

Oh, it's.

[Van Lathan]

I thought that that. Cause that Krispy Kreme that's on Plank right before you get to airline that bitch old. So, like, I thought you go. Y' all know the Krispy Kremes where you go, and they got like the donut assembly line where you can see them making the donuts. Not all of them are like that anymore, but there's one of them. Cause the one out here in Burbank is like, you can go there, and they got the donut assembly line, Krispy Kreme, you can watch them make them.

[Tate Frazier]

Got the Hot now sign, the Hot.

[Van Lathan]

Now sign and all of that. Cause there's two Krispy Kremes that they have here that I know of that I go to. One is in Burbank, okay? And Then the other one is. I think it's on Crenshaw and King, and, yeah, nigga, go down there and get the donuts. Like, you know what I'm saying? I fuck with it. I go there all the time. I love it down there. I play ball down there. But sometimes you tell people to go to the Krispy Kreme down there, and they don't want to go.

[Joel Anderson]

First time. I remember when Krispy Kreme came out, it was like 98 in Texas, and they made it in Arlington, Texas. And I'll never forget, I was driving down. I think it's Cooper Road, which is near, like, the parks in Arlington Mall. It's big mall there. And you drive by, and I was like, man, this. This car's lined up here like it's a club, you know? It was like cars all the way down the street, like, maybe three quarters of a mile. That line was long, bro. But I was like, man, anything that people are waiting for that much, it must be good. So I took my car, my happy ass, put it, waited in line, got 24 donuts, and ate them all in one weekend, man. You know, that's.

[Tate Frazier]

I mean, when they're hot, they're fresh. I mean, they melt in your mouth.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, you could eat, like, 12 of them. I was like, this is worth the hype. This is. I was sick. I mean, that was sick. That's disgusting.

[Tate Frazier]

Really. Brian Kelly should have gone to Krispy Kreme, is what we're saying. If I was Brian Kelly, I would have gone to Chris.

[Joel Anderson]

You can follow it up after that Superior thing, man. He has the margaritas, get him right, and then the next. Get the little donuts.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, the Superior grill is tight, but I didn't know they had him everywhere. I thought it was a. I thought. I thought it was a Baton Rouge thing.

[Joel Anderson]

Big, big place in Shreveport, man. We would go there all the time for stuff. Yeah, it's a nice, nice place.

[Tate Frazier]

Two things I wanted to bring up. Still talking about Brian Kelly. One, Winward, the ad. Obviously, he does the Jimbo deal and the buyout. He does the Brian Kelly deal and the buyout, but he's also phasing out of this situation. So there's going to be some powers that be that are involved in the next iteration of this. And then I found this fascinating. Shane Beamer was talking about the SEC coaches. They have a group chat, right? So they're all in it together, all the head coaches. He said, lane Kiffin's always in there making jokes like, Making, you know, little commentary, sending tweets or whatever. Do you think they kick Brian Kelly out of the group chat like immediately?

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, hell yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. When do you, when do you do that though?

[Tate Frazier]

That's the qu. I wanted to ask you guys, like, when do you kick Brian Kelly out of the group chat? And who does it? Is it Lane Kiffin? It's definitely laughing.

[Joel Anderson]

Have y' all ever kicked anybody out of a group chat? Cause you kind of gotta tell em, right? Well, unless it was, unless they leave under very bad circumstances.

[Tate Frazier]

Like we've been a part of a group chat where people have gotten kicked out recently.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh yeah, that's right. That's true, that's true, that's true. Nobody said anything to them neither. It was just kinda like, all right, they ain't in here.

[Tate Frazier]

It's cold blooded. That's what I was wondering.

[Van Lathan]

I've never kicked anybody out. I've left the group chat myself. Sometimes I just look around and I go, man, y' all full of bullshit. And I just leave the group chat like. And I just, and I, when I leave a group chat, I don't like to like make a big deal about it. Just Van has left the chat and that, that, that right there, that's enough. But I've never kicked anybody out of one. How do you kick somebody out of the group chat? Can you do. If you made the group chat, you can kick, you can take anybody out of it.

[Tate Frazier]

I think you can be made the admin or if you created the group chat, you are, I think by, by proxy the admin so you can kick someone out. So I, I just find that fascinating that someone had to kick Brian Kelly out of the group chat. And I just, I just think that's so funny.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, man, he probably left though. I mean, who was the admin? That's what I'm saying. Who was it? Was it Stoopzz? Stoops? Is Stoops the elder among that crew?

[Tate Frazier]

It might be Mark Stoops. It probably was Saban originally.

[Van Lathan]

Who would be the one that, who would be the one that would run the SEC coaches group chat? Who would run that? Who would be in charge?

[Joel Anderson]

Wait, does Bobby Petrino get to come in then?

[Van Lathan]

Oh yeah. Do you add it, do you add him to it once he gets the head coaching gig? Do you go, yo, Bobby, you with us now?

[Joel Anderson]

Welcome back.

[Tate Frazier]

Well, they have that press conference, they have the teleconference meeting every week, so I'm sure Petrino's in the press conference and they're like, hey, Bobby, we're adding you to the chat. You know what I mean? And Bobby's like, damn, this is tight. I'm in the chat.

[Van Lathan]

I'm back.

[Tate Frazier]

For how long?

[Van Lathan]

I don't know. Cause was there even group chats the last time he was an SEC head coach? That's cool.

[Joel Anderson]

That's a good question.

[Tate Frazier]

He was on BBM. He was on BlackBerry messenger.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, BlackBerry. Oh, man. BlackBerry message.

[Joel Anderson]

I remember when people had blackberries. I was like, man, y' all rich, man. That's real nice.

[Tate Frazier]

You know, Bobby Petrino had that. But, yeah, I thought that was fascinating, too, that Brian Kelly had to get kicked out of the group chat as soon as he got fired. Let's spin this forward. We've talked enough about what happened in the present tense, what happened in the past. Let's go towards the future. One big question. Who is the best coaching candidate right now, today, moving forward for the future of LSU football? Van, I'll go to you first here. If you had to pitch someone to be the guy, who would be the guy?

[Van Lathan]

This is not a dealer thing. This is a dope thing. Okay, I want you guys. I want to take you guys back to something. You guys remember the movie Blow?

[Tate Frazier]

Oh, yeah. Great movie. Johnny Depp, George Jung.

[Van Lathan]

George Jung, man. Shout out to George, man. He just wanted to see his daughter. It's awesome, man. Trying to see his daughter. So there is. I'm looking at these names. Lane Kiffin, Marcus Freeman, Kenny Dillingham, Jeff Braum. Jeff Braum is the head coach at Louisville. And that's like his place. Like, he.

[Joel Anderson]

He.

[Van Lathan]

That's. He's. He played there. So his place. Drinkowitz, Clark Lee Brinke, John Summerall, Joe Brady. All of these people are going to be in the mix. And then you're going to hear some names that are kind of out of the realm. You're going to hear Nick Saban. You're going to hear Urban Meyer. You're going to hear all kinds of people. NFL guys. Whatever, Whatever, Whatever, whatever, whatever. All right, When I say it's not a dealer thing, it's a dope thing. Let me tell you what I mean. So there's a scene in Blow where George and Derek Pharrell and everybody, they're around, and they were Bobcat Goldthwaite. And they're testing the product, right? They're testing the product. They're testing how the dope makes you feel and. Or not how it makes you feel. The purity of the dope. They're testing it. And Bobcat Goldway is being Blown away by the purity of the dope. The cocaine that George has, that's coming straight from Columbia, he's never seen anything like it. George has cut out the middleman, has not stepped on at all. He's bringing it straight off the boat to these guys, right? You're testing that and you're saying, this is what matters. Whoever these guys are in front of me, they're not super experienced dealers or whatever like that. What matters is the product for all of these guys. Fuck winning the press conference. Fuck that. Forget about winning the press conference. Anybody that's at lsu, Woodward's not going to be making this decision. It seems like the LSU Board of Supervisors are going to make that decision, led by the governor, Jeff Landrian, who, you know, everybody. Fucking whatever. Forget about winning the press conference. Don't think about getting the fan base off your back. Look at the dope and test it. Look at the teams these guys have coached. Look at the quality of the teams, but not just from a wins and losses standpoint. Look at how these teams play for their head coach. Look at the toughness, the physicality of these teams. Look at the organizational structure, the process of all of these coaches. Look at what they put on the field, not just in result, but in process and execution. What kind of culture do you want to exist at lsu? It's not a Lane Kiffin culture. It's not a Marcus Freeman culture. It's not a Kenny Dillingham culture. It's a culture that's based around the highest level of competition, competence in execution, physicality and passion. So when you're looking at the coach that you are going to hire, sure, these guys, their names, what they, who they are, of course that matters. But man, grind your tape. Look at how these teams responded when they were down. Look at how these teams responded when they lost a couple. Look at how these teams responded for these guys when it was time to quit. That's what you want. That's what we have been asking for. So as far as these names, whatever, man. These names are guys who have all earned the right to be considered to be the next head coach of lsu. But what I care about now is when it's one blade of grass between you and a touchdown or a first down, which coach has a team that goes and gets that, that like, literally plays with blood, soil, passion. That's what I'm talking about. Right? And so, I don't know, we're going to talk about it. I hope that the Board of Supervisors is looking past just the names, is Looking past, just because I don't see a Nick Saban on this list. I don't see a seven time national championship on this list. I don't see like eight, 10 conference championships. But what you can see is the DNA of the teams that they've coached. And whoever has the best DNA, whoever has the best process, whoever has the toughest, most focused team, go give them a bag and bring them to Baton Rouge.

[Joel Anderson]

So it would scare me most if I was in the SEC and somehow they decided to go with Urban Meyer. That would be terrifying, I think to the SEC if he ended up there at lsu. But because I'm such a fan of lsu, I'm going to give you a name, Van, that is not on this list because people haven't been talking about him. He's a long shot. He's not going to get hired. And that's fine because he's also coaching at a school I care about. Do you know who's a proven head coach who's already won within the LSU footprint, who's been a winner at every level and someone who has the commitment of one of the nation's best QB recruits right now, Willie Fritz at Houston. And I'm not saying that because I want Houston to lose him. The Cougs will always be my second or third favorite team, TCU and lsu. But for the purposes of this segment, I'm saying in a world where there's no sure thing, as Van just said, there's no sure thing in coaching where you can really only plan about three years at a time right now, three to four years at a time. Willie Fritz seems about as good of an option as anyone. And it reminds me of the kind of hire the A and M made when it moved on from Jimbo Fisher and they like they wanted Mark Stoops. Well, that kind of fell apart and it's brought all.

[Tate Frazier]

Well, the fan base said no, right? I mean that A and M, the A fan, we don't.

[Joel Anderson]

Can't have, we do not want you. Yeah, right. They don't. They didn't want a Bear Bryant replay, right? They didn't want it. They didn't want to do that. So they brought an old, solid, old born Mike Elko. Turns out like that might have been a good hire. So Fritz created maybe the most successful runs to happen at Sam Houston State and Tulane in recent memory. Tulane was a down ass program. Anybody from that area knows. But people looked at Tulane and they were like, well, it's a private school, but it's a, it's down there. And then he made that a winning program. He has Houston at 7:1 in only his second year. And the future looks bright. And that's right, that's LSU lost out on Bryce Underwood, right? Oh, that's too bad, man, that sucks. They could have had him. What about Kishan Henderson? Man, he's one of the top quarterback recruits in the country. Fritz has him going to Houston next year. Like, he's committed to them. So how hard would it be for Fritz to be like, man, you want to come on? Four hours east over here on i10, bro, just come right down, flip right here. Now you got somebody to build after nuss. Anyway, like I said, probably a long shot. He's 65. He's only in his second year. Houston. I'm guessing LSU thinks they can do better than Willie Fritz. But the question was, who is the best coaching candidate? Not the most likely one. And if for me, in terms of who I'm looking at, best coaching candidate for lsu, I'm thinking Willie Fritz. And if y' all don't want him, can I interest you in a Sonny Dykes?

[Van Lathan]

Sonny Dice from tcu? Yeah. You're not gonna have them, but yeah. I really don't know. I really don't know. Like, I think Marcus Freeman being on this list is hysterical just because of the meltdown that would occur.

[Tate Frazier]

Well, he said no to Florida. He said no to Penn State. He has not been asked about lsu.

[Joel Anderson]

Accordingly, according to, if I were him, I wouldn't take that job at all.

[Van Lathan]

Notre Dame. Notre Dame. He's not going anywhere. That's your guy. He's not going anywhere.

[Tate Frazier]

He'll go to the NFL. If he goes.

[Van Lathan]

He'll go to the NFL. If he goes anywhere. He's not coming to lsu. Marcus Freeman is Notre Dame's guy. Notre Dame, Marcus Freeman, peanut butter, jelly, hairspray. All of this shit is right there. Y' all got Marcus Freeman. Ignore all of this stuff. Notre Dame. Marcus Freeman is not leaving. I don't know that Lane Kiffin's leaving. Everybody keeps talking about Lane Kiffin as if Lane Kiffin is so eager to leave Oxford. And look, he hasn't hit us with the I'm not going to be the coach of Alabama lie, okay? He hasn't done that quite yet. Right? But I don't see. And maybe I'm wrong, I don't see a hell of a lot of reason for Lane Kiffin to become the coach anywhere other than where he's coaching at right now. Like, I don't see the Big deal for Lane Kiffin to move. Do I think that LSU is a better job than Ole Miss? Yeah. But if I'm looking at Ole Miss the last couple of years and LSU in the last couple of years, I don't see that much difference. And. And you're going to be dealing with a fan base right now that is really looking for a lot more than what they might be looking for at Ole Miss right now. That's not to say that Ole Miss isn't talented. And in the next couple of years, you might not see Ole Miss with a national championship. I think he can win the national championship here. I just don't understand why everyone in the national media is so convinced that Lane Kiffin is ready to leave Ole Miss.

[Tate Frazier]

Nick Saban basically said that. He said that the jobs that were once great aren't. Aren't necessarily great in the new landscape. And, like, why does everybody assume that Ole Miss is not a better situation for Lane today, even though we're all using our brains from 2019?

[Van Lathan]

Right.

[Tate Frazier]

I mean, I think that's really the argument for Lane. I did write this down. The most entertaining outcome is the most likely. So I did want to ask, like, what is the most entertaining outcome for LSU if they. If they get a new coach? Is it Lane?

[Van Lathan]

No, the most entertaining outcome would be Nick Saban.

[Tate Frazier]

There you go.

[Van Lathan]

That's the most entertaining one. The one that. The one that would make everybody. I mean, if Nick Saban came back to, like, if Nick Saban came back to coach lsu, the birth rate in Baton Rouge would go down because everybody would bust a nut collectively at the same time. Like, you would literally see people walking around in Baton Rouge just wet pants everywhere. You know, women not being satisfied by their husband's. Men not being satisfied. You know, everyone there were. Ed would be so. And it wouldn't just be one nut that would be bust. They will bust over and over and over and over.

[Tate Frazier]

Be a bad day for Blue Chew. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Or a good day, because they might take the Blue Chew so they could come back and do another one or a good one. Right. Because it just depends on how you look at it.

[Tate Frazier]

So, like, I think this is the most entertaining outcome. You're right.

[Van Lathan]

That's by far the most entertaining outcome is Nick Saban walks out for Alabama. Nick Saban becoming the coach of LSU again would legitimately be like Hulk Hogan going heel at Bash at the beach back when the NWO first got popping.

[Tate Frazier]

They would take his name off the field. Right. Like, I really do think that.

[Van Lathan]

Well, I Mean, I don't know if they would take his name off the.

[Tate Frazier]

Field, but they would.

[Van Lathan]

Every time we went there, we would have to win, because Nick Saban losing on Nick Saban Field would be surreal, right? It would be crazy, but that would be by. That's by far the most entertaining outcome to me.

[Joel Anderson]

I wonder if they've made a call to him. Probably not. I mean, Nick Saban is in his 70s again.

[Tate Frazier]

I 73. Turned 74. His birthday's on Halloween, by the way, Nick Saban turned 74 on Friday.

[Van Lathan]

Just make him say no. I would make him say no.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, I think he will get a phone call.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I would make. Hey, Nick, look. Four years, 15 million a year. Do you want a little bit more of a bag for you and Ms. Terry? I know y' all going.

[Tate Frazier]

I would call Ms. Terry. That's who I would call Ms. Terry.

[Van Lathan]

I know y' all like going to Bora Bora for vacation, but do y' all want to go to Saturn or Venus for vacation? Cause we could put y' all on a spaceship in this motherfucker.

[Tate Frazier]

Y' all might go on.

[Van Lathan]

I would make him say no, but he would say no. He would say no.

[Tate Frazier]

Joel, do you agree that's the most entertaining outcome?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, well. Or that a coach o. I mean, he's offered himself back up, you know, for the job. He would love to do it, you know? And, I mean, the thing is, LSU really didn't want to have to fire that man. You know, like, they really. It was. Obviously, it happened, you know, under duress. They would prefer a guy like. I mean. And I don't want to speak too much. I mean, I'm new to the LSU fan base, but it seemed like a really good cultural fit. He's a good. I mean, you know, he's a fun character. He's a tough guy. He can really recruit. But, I mean, there were reasons it didn't work out last time and probably wouldn't go there again.

[Van Lathan]

I gotta be honest with you. This is gonna sound so stupid. I'm not 100% against it, and let me tell you why.

[Tate Frazier]

Wow.

[Van Lathan]

So I'm not 100% against it. I don't think you do it, but I don't think you do it. But if they did do it, I wouldn't be 100% against it. All right? I knew this couple. They were married for a long time. The marriage was going good, and then for some reason, the husband just started wilding out, just going crazy. I mean, man, he was going To Vegas. He got a tattoo. Remember one time we was at a little Thanksgiving joint, I pulled him to the side. I'm like, yo, you straight? Like, you. You good? And then he was like, yeah, man, I'm great. I'm great. I'm living. He's got this promotion. We just bought this house, the whole nine. Everything was good. Then it came out that, you know, there was a small bag of cocaine that was found, and so she left him. She had to leave him over coke? Yeah, she had to leave. The cocaine was the thing, was the straw that broke the camel's back. So, small bag of cocaine, and she found. She had to leave him. I was like, damn, man. I like him. Like, I used to have conversations with him. We used to talk in the whole nine. Everything was going on. Everything was cool. He got his shit together. He realized what it was like to not be around his family, to be a Persona non grata. He started going. He started, like, doing yoga and going for long walks. He actually became much more annoying. Yeah, he became much more annoying to me then. I kind of like the old version of him better. But they got back together, and for all intents and purposes, they're having an incredible marriage. I thought about this when the Coach O stuff started coming turning up. Because if Coach O has learned what it means to be in the doldrums and not be a part of lsu, if he's learned that you can't have sex with the boosters wives, that you can't bring your girl to practice, or maybe you can, you could tell Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick, if he's learned all of that, that's a guy that the players play hard for. That's a guy that can recruit his ass off. That's a guy that can build a staff. What he didn't have was focus. And if getting kicked in his ass returns that focus to him, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

[Tate Frazier]

Also, a guy that could sell himself to that board of supervisors as, like, a change man. They know him very well. He's won a national championship. Maybe he could put a staff together. And also he might take less money. I think that might be another thing that he could offer them where he's like, I'll take $5 million a year as opposed to 10, $12 million a year. And if you have a conversation right between paying John Sumrall $12 million a year or whatever the number may be versus Coach O for $5 million a year, plus, you can put that money into players. Maybe that's a conversation they have.

[Joel Anderson]

We're in a new world. So, I mean, again, I think we're joking about coacho here, although I know, you know, we made. But here's the thing.

[Van Lathan]

It's a whole joke. We're not joking, but it's a joke. It's not a joke.

[Joel Anderson]

Yes, but I mean, this is a whole new world of college football. You, you can rethink the. The structure of your football program. You get in a good general manager, a good CEO, a. A general manager like young Brandon Harris at the University of Texas, bringing in that, that, Well, I mean, I guess you. You look at his work this year, it might be like, well, I don't know, you ended up with Parker Livingstone as your top. Is one of your top receiving threats. But, you know, you bring somebody like that in, you get a coach that maybe costs a little less money, and then, yep, you got a little bit more to spend on your roster. There's all kind of way. Which is maybe why they should just hire Honey Badger, you know, because Honey Badgers put his hand. I'm just.

[Van Lathan]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joel Anderson]

You know, you get somebody that's a face of the program out there. Do it. Get kids hype, you know, be out there.

[Tate Frazier]

Kelvin Shepard is another name. They've thrown out Joe Brady.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Is another name. I do think that Tyron Matthew will be the head of. The head coach of LSU football one day.

[Joel Anderson]

You think so?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, one day. I don't know if that's today, but, you know, that brother's young. He can coach his ass off.

[Tate Frazier]

Or he, you know, the 7LSU jersey was so sick, too.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

It hits when you see he was a genius.

[Joel Anderson]

He's even. He was a genius as a player. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. And when I say if people are asking me why I think he can coach his ass off, it's because I know stuff. So I think one day it's made. Probably. I don't know if it's now, but I think one day he'll be the head coach of lsu. I really do.

[Tate Frazier]

I like that proclamation there. But again, a lot to figure out for lsu. A lot of conversations to be had. Again, the board of supervisors will be making this decision, not the ad. The governor will be involved, which you can take that however, which way you want to. But it will be the board of supervisors. Maybe they reach out to Van Lath and get some hoodoo involved and they get a good coach and they change this program back around. I think that's the Move. They have been asking every coach about Brian Kelly getting fired. Whether it's Kirby Smart, Dabo Sweeney. I wanted to get your guys reaction. Overreaction of the week. This is Coach Prime's reaction to being asked about Brian Kelly getting fired. And just in general, coaches getting fired this early in the season. He said, everyone wants the quick fix. You can get a bbl, you can come in here flat as I don't know what and leave thick as a snicker, end quote. Your thoughts on Coach prime comparing the firings and the instant gratification to the BBL culture. Joel, I'll go to you first here.

[Joel Anderson]

Of course, you come to me first on that one. I mean, do you like, do you like the analogy?

[Tate Frazier]

Do you like the comp?

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, there's nothing. I mean, I mean, I don't understand because I don't think that analogy quite works. Because it ain't like I don't either. Build a. Build a big ass. You know, it's provocative.

[Tate Frazier]

It got the people.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, I mean, it's just you can work all you try and really not get bigger titties, you know what I'm saying? Or a bigger ass. And so you really have got to. I mean, that's something that you gotta go get. The doctor's gotta pull that to you. But the broader point that he makes is the right one, of course. I mean, he's inclined to bolster the argument that best explains what's going on in the industry right. Among his fraternity. But I mean, he is right, man. I mean, it's just. I mean, I'm not, I don't have any real judgment about it or whatever, but it's like, man, are we just gonna keep firing guys? Are we gonna keep signing them up to long contracts, extending them at the first hint of success, and then two years later when there's an inevitable drop off firing em.

[Tate Frazier]

I think the buyouts are going away. I don't think we're gonna see these huge buyouts again. I think people are just gonna be like, look, you can pay these guys and they can leave, right?

[Joel Anderson]

Take a year ago, if Florida State was coming open, wouldn't Deion's name probably have been discussed as one of those names people, Right? It just a year has changed. He's not changed as a person. You know, I'm saying like his strategy for talent acquisition has not really changed, but just one year later, things a little worse. He lost his best players. And now people like, nah, whatever. Of course, the health issues are the other part of it as well. But it's just like things can really change. And I can understand coaches being like, man, what is a good job? There's no such thing as security, but they've always known that. And again, that's what the money is for.

[Tate Frazier]

So also, if you're a coach, during a bye week, don't go on vacation. Bill Belichick goes to Nantucket. Brian Kelly goes fishing. Right. Or goes on a boat or whatever he was doing. You got Coach prime going fishing in Texas, right? So all these guys, you're being watched at all times. And if you take a bi week to go on a trip, people don't like it. Even though if it's okay, you know, it's all. It's all above board. Just keep it on the low, I guess, is the. The other lesson here. Van, your thoughts on the BBL conversation.

[Van Lathan]

I like this because I don't think the message works, but I don't think the message works. I think after four years, you should be able to ascertain whether or not things are going in the right direction. Man, I can't think of anything else in the world where four years is not enough of a sample size for you to know whether or not things are going the way you need them to go. Four years in a relationship, four years at a different job. Like, I can tell you one thing I remember, guys, I was shooting paparazzi for TMZ Four years, and you still can't get the shit right. Like, Diana Dazrath was gonna get you out of there, right? You were gonna be done. Mike Walters wasn't going for that. Four years, you was gonna have to show something. And I'm not saying LSU didn't show anything, but I'm saying four years, you was going to have to show something. But fuck all that. What I like is the analogy itself. I like the fact that Dion understands the ins and outs of the bbl. You know what that tells me? Dion out here, that's what the fuck I'm talking about. Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

The rest of Karuto listening.

[Van Lathan]

The rest of the. Oh, she don't need one. Nah, that's a beautiful lady. Okay? That's what like they like. She don't. She don't need one. She. I'm not going to talk about Dion girl. That's a beautiful woman. You know, she. For a long time, she's one of our. She's one of our beauties of the last 50. Good. Good on Dion. But I'm telling you, Dion knows this because Dion is probably one of the only coaches in all of the NCAA that's actually had to make a decision that's popped up in the last 10 years. And that decision is BBL or no. Do you think that James Franklin had to consider that? No. Do you think that Eli Drinkowicz has ever had to consider whether or not he wants a BBL or not? Do you think that any of these guys. Kenny Dillingham, maybe he could, but then he's in Scottsdale or. No, he's in Tempe. And that is a completely different situation as far as what's going on out there. These guys are married, too. I'm not talking about what they do on the side, but I'm saying that like. Like, Deion has been a bachelor, and Deion still got his shit with him. It's probably women that's hitting Deion up and still. And Deon has to go, ah, you know, I'm old school. I don't really like that. And then there's some girls that Deon probably had to be, yo, man, turn around. Let's make some magic. You know? So it's like. It's. To me, I like this. Cause Deion is still plugged into this cultural conversation around bbls, and it's one that we should have.

[Joel Anderson]

There was a video a few months ago when he was doing that show with, you know, old girl Rossi Diaz. Rossi. Diaz.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

And it was a girl, one of.

[Tate Frazier]

The former host of 106 in Park.

[Joel Anderson]

Roxy. One of the greats. One of the greats.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

One of the greats. Shout out to Terence J, North Carolina, Terrence J. That's what's up.

[Van Lathan]

You shady. By bringing up you shady, I made you shady. Shout out to Terence J. Terrence J produced a movie with me, but that was shady to bring up Terence J, Roger Diaz thing. I know what you're doing, Tate. You be doing shit. Go ahead, Joe. My back.

[Joel Anderson]

Roxy's great. But you remember they were on Dion's little show, and they had somebody.

[Van Lathan]

It's Dion and Roxy's show.

[Tate Frazier]

It's on Tubi.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, it's on Tubi. And they had this wrestler. Her name was, like, Nika Bella or whatever, and her.

[Tate Frazier]

It's the Bella Twins.

[Joel Anderson]

The Bella Twins. And they were kind of giving him some rhythm.

[Tate Frazier]

Oh, they were trying to rock.

[Joel Anderson]

They were giving him some rhythm. I was like, man, Deion's kind of. And I mean, you see him kind of, like, perk up. He set up in his chair a little bit.

[Van Lathan]

He's like, all right, what we got.

[Tate Frazier]

Here they were talking about how they like chocolate. He was like, wait a second.

[Van Lathan]

He was like, okay, yeah, let's not get okay. Let's. Dion's a fan. Dion's Christian, man, and he in a relationship now. Like, none of these guys can. These guys. Not with prime on that level. Come on, man. It's not like. It's like, we don't even have to talk about that level. Like, I mean, Tracy.

[Joel Anderson]

Tracy Evans is like.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, come on, bro.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Come on, now.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, that's like. Yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

One of the.

[Van Lathan]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joel Anderson]

Of my. My whole life.

[Van Lathan]

Like, that's. Like, that's a whole gorgeous black family. Like, yeah, come on, man. Don't. Come on, man. That's a. Like, that's a whole beautiful Dion. That's a whole beautiful black family. Don't With. Don't play with Dion like that. Don't. Not on that level. On any level, really, but especially not that level. Don't play with Dion.

[Tate Frazier]

No playing. No playing. But I like that reaction from Dion. So overreaction of the week. On the flip side of that, we got the pause of the week. I don't know if you guys saw this clip of Kirby Smart, but this is the quote from it, and I want to get both your reactions to this. He said, okay, now I gotta finish and finish it on a guy that size is harder than you think. End quote. Oh, that was the pause of the week.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, my. I like that. Oh, my God. Kirby, look. He got his thumb. He got the thumb. He got. He got the thumb up. Okay, Kirby. Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

Hey, finish on the guy, man.

[Van Lathan]

Kirby. I fuck with it. That's what. Okay, I get it. Kirby. Like that. I get it. Okay, I gotta finish. And so I guess my question is, who is it easy to finish on? Is Kirby. Is it a twink situation? Like, who is it? Who is it easy? Who is it easier to. Who is it easiest to finish on? That's why. Shout out to Kirby, though. Shout out to him. I fuck with it.

[Tate Frazier]

He was talking in the context of, you know, defenders, you know, finishing the play. But it was a very. It was six seconds that I was like, whoa, who was.

[Joel Anderson]

Who was the size in this. In this example? Like, who was he talking. Who was the guy with the size?

[Tate Frazier]

He was talking about the. His defense in general. I think it was a specific guy, but he was just like, our defense can't get these guys down on the ground.

[Van Lathan]

And.

[Tate Frazier]

And then he used that. That sort of phrasing.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, he can't get it on the ground.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah. Got to get these guys down on the ground.

[Joel Anderson]

So.

[Van Lathan]

Hey, bro, look, man, fuck it. I'm with it. I'm with all of.

[Joel Anderson]

Bro.

[Tate Frazier]

It.

[Joel Anderson]

Kirby, man.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah. That stuff. Pause of the week, Last thing before we go to break. Start, bench, cut. You got three. These three coaches. You're an ad. You gotta fight. You gotta hire one of these guys who have just been fired. Brian Kelly, James Franklin, Billy Napier. Start, bench, cut. Joe, I'll go to you first.

[Joel Anderson]

So I would like to start James Franklin. He didn't lose his job because he was bad. He just lost his job because people got tired of him and they thought the program had plateaued. I think he'll be fine. He'll go somewhere else. People are saying Virginia Tech.

[Tate Frazier]

Virginia Tech.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, Virginia Tech. Maybe ucla, maybe Maryland, if that comes open. And I'll be right down here, you know, Maryland.

[Tate Frazier]

Joe wants Maryland so bad.

[Joel Anderson]

Terps are my fourth or fifth favorite team, so, you know, I'll go with over there and support him. Bench. Billy Napier, man, he's only 46. That's younger than me. You know, I think he'll probably go be someone's offensive coordinator again, you know, build his reputation back up. I mean, the thing that's kind of funny is that there's no Nick Saban finishing school anymore. Pause me. But there's you, Kirby Smart.

[Tate Frazier]

Kirby Smart does the finishing school now.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, Kirby Smart's got the finishing school now. But, you know, you can't say you can't. It's really hard to build your reputation up in the same way like. Like you used to just go play for Nick Saban for a few. You know, coach for Nick Saban for a few years. But I think Billy Napier will probably be fine. And, man, Brian Kelly, man, nobody likes you, dog. Like, the way that this all went down and the way that it's been exposed, it's just. I. So I saw somebody mention Michigan State on social media the other day, and, like, all these, like, Spartans fans were like, fuck no. Like, I'd rather have the East Atlantic High School coach than Brian Kelly. It was just like, people who got up in an outrage. And I'm not saying that's representative sample, but I was like, I just think he might as well take his 53 mil or whatever he can negotiate, go to that lake house up there in the Upper Peninsula and just chill, man. Just live your life. He's 64. You've done a lot. Probably can just get another job in broadcasting and ride off into the Sunset, bro.

[Van Lathan]

Same order as Joel. This is my advice for Brian Kelly. Brian Kelly got to pull a. A rod. A rod. Alex Rodriguez.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Alex Rodriguez has used television to completely rehabilitate his image. Totally. You watch a Rod now. A rod's joking around with.

[Tate Frazier]

David Ortiz.

[Van Lathan]

David Ortiz.

[Tate Frazier]

Derek Jeter.

[Van Lathan]

Derek Jeter. He's joking around with these guys, these guys who he used to revile and who revile.

[Tate Frazier]

I mean, Jeter still hates him. There are moments where Jeter kind of like breaks his. He breaks the veil a little bit where he's like.

[Van Lathan]

But it looks like they're cool.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, right.

[Van Lathan]

And you remember, like, the awkward cold press conference interview that they had and all of that stuff. But you look at a Rod now, a rod's talking baseball. He loves baseball. He's passionate about baseball. He's a little bit removed from the spotlight. You're not in his personal life no more. He's just a guy on TV with a job talking about that thing that he loves. And you can get into that. You can get into it. Makes you forget the fucking scumminess of a rod for the last 15 or 20 years. It just kind of washes over him. And Brian Kelly got to do that. Brian Kelly's got to go and just talk ball and do the whole deal. That could be his image rehabilitation. And it's not just a rod. There are other guys out there. Urban Meyer. Urban Meyer just up there talking ball, having fun with the boys, the whole nine. You're like, oh, this is him in his element. This is what he loves to do. That's what Brian Kelly got to do. Brian Kelly going to another situation right now to coach is going to be a pressure cooker for him. It's going to be a pressure cooker for the program and the culture of wherever he goes.

[Tate Frazier]

I'm with you. I think that's the order, you know, cut Brian Kelly, which is kind of shocking because if we gave that out at the start of the year, I think he would probably be the one you start. So, I mean, it's. He's won everywhere, you know, whether Central Michigan, obviously, you know, Cincinnati, Notre Dame, LSU to a certain extent, but not in the right ways, not the right game. So there you have it. Good times. I like that we broke this all down. We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, we're going to look forward to what we're going to see this weekend. Week 10 in college football was supposed to be the best week of the year, and we'll break down. Why it's not so much right now. We'll be right back after the this.

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[Van Lathan]

Yo, so the shit not popping like we thought it was going to be, but I still love this weekend. You know why? I've dubbed this weekend the Joel Anderson weekend. This is a hating ass weekend of college football. All right? That's what this is. Penn State. Hate on Ohio State. Hate on them. Go out there, mess they season up. Hey, South Carolina, you couldn't get it done against Alabama.

[Tate Frazier]

Hate.

[Van Lathan]

Go out here and hate on these, bro. Hate on them.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Florida, Georgia. Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate. This is a hating ass weekend. The reason why we thought all of these player haters ball were going to be. This is the player hater. This is the Joel Anderson player haters ball. We thought all of these teams were going to be great against each other because the reality is these teams have comparable talent. If you go by blue chip ratio and this player could do this and all of that stuff, these teams have comparable talent. And that's when you can hate. The best haters are the dudes. That's actually not that far away from you. Think about it. You running and you faster than somebody. If, if you lapping them, they can't really hate on you. But if you were just a little bit faster, they can stick that elbow out. Get off. Hate. Push him down, push him down. That's what you can hate. So these teams are far apart in accomplishment and record. I'm not saying. But in actual talent, Penn State has the opportunity to do the funniest thing in the world. They're not going to do it, but they have the opportunity to do the funniest thing in the world right now. Hate on these people. The Joel Anderson weekend.

[Tate Frazier]

Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, Joel.

[Van Lathan]

Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate.

[Joel Anderson]

You know, you know, say you look at that. I tried to show my support. You know what I'm saying?

[Van Lathan]

Dick riding is a form of hating.

[Joel Anderson]

No, this ain't dick riding. It ain't dick riding.

[Van Lathan]

No, no, no, no.

[Joel Anderson]

You don't get to know. You don't get to decide. You don't get to decide.

[Van Lathan]

You don't get to dress up like you dress up like a tiger. Like dick riding. That's a dick ride. No, dick riding is a form of hate.

[Joel Anderson]

No, I'm supporting and you got cat.

[Van Lathan]

You know what the most disrespectful thing about the outfit is? You have the distressed LSU shirt on. It's distressed.

[Joel Anderson]

It's Hard. It's hard to get a LSU shirt on, on order like that, bro. You just can't, you know, I'm in Maryland, man. I could have probably got a terp shirt. It would have been a little bit easier to get.

[Tate Frazier]

I like you committed to the bit, though. You got the shirt, you got the tiger costume.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. My wife. Shout out, shout out My baby today, man. You know, all the people calling me a hater. People know that I'm a lover, man. You know, they're close. I'm a wanderer, you know, innocent soul. You know, I look at people anyway. But, you know, contrary to Van's thing, I think every. I mean, we have not had a bad week of football yet, you know, And I just think that that's the way it's going to be. Like. I mean, that's the thing about college football. The week that you think, oh, I can turn away from the game. Like, these games look like they're going to be that much. They didn't turn out to be whatever. And they end up being the ones, like you said, a team of similar talent or whatever, they've got something to play for. I mean, look, man, LSU just fired that coach. I mean, think about what has happened to the teams that have fired that UAB mess, jumped up and messed up Memphis, right?

[Tate Frazier]

Yep.

[Joel Anderson]

Ucla, as soon as they get. They fired, they fired Sean Foster, they jumped up and messed up Penn State season. So, I mean, if there's something in. There's something in the. The atmosphere this year. So I'm. I'm excited for this week, man. I mean, there's not. There's not a week now. We only get so many, man. How can we already be in November? Like, that's the thing that I'm always just like, bro, like, man, we're more than halfway through college football.

[Van Lathan]

It's going by so fast.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. I just. I could not. We were looking at this. It said week nine. I was like, shit, already, man. I'm just. I'm already fretting about the season we've already got behind us. So. Yeah, man, I'm excited for this, man. And actually that Oklahoma Tennessee game is better than it was billed.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, right.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. That actually ended up being a better one. So.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

So what are the games we're going to have? Like, what are the games that are going to be on in the top half of the slate? What can we promise the people for some of these? Are these. Because these kickoffs right here are a lot of. These were tdb, tbd, tbd, tbd. And the Ole Miss South Carolina game is a flex game, but we won't get it. Which games can we give the people? I want the, the staff back there to kind of, if they can help us out, tell us.

[Joel Anderson]

I think in Texas, right? I think, yeah, we get, we get.

[Tate Frazier]

We get Diego Pavia versus hopefully Arch Manning. Number nine, Vanderbilt at number 20, Texas. The latest game of the night is the. Which is the game day game. Number 17, Cincinnati. At number 24, Utah. So that'll be a McShay game late in that one, but should be a good one. Utah trying to figure out who's going to start for them. Sbe has been good for Cincinnati. We should have Florida and Georgia, I believe as well. So number five, Georgia at Florida.

[Joel Anderson]

So we have Georgia at Florida. Have y' all ever been to Jacksonville? Have y' all ever been to that game?

[Tate Frazier]

I have been to Jacksonville.

[Joel Anderson]

What do you, what do you think about. It was. It was a good.

[Van Lathan]

It's fantastic. It's a great experience, man. You know what I'm saying? I was, I was around Jacksonville and when I went to Jacksonville, this was some years ago, you know, I went to the community to like hang out.

[Tate Frazier]

I went to a Jaguars game.

[Van Lathan]

Okay. I went to Jacksonville Altel Stadium.

[Joel Anderson]

That's not caught that no more.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, that's what, that's what it was when I went.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I fuck with Jacksonville. Heavy, man. But I'm telling you what, Jacksonville is not a place for you to be playing. God damn. Hell nah. Shout out to the Jackson. I love, I love Jacksonville. Jacksonville. One of the most underrated cities in Florida. To me, I fuck with it. But I was. That was my first experience of knowing that you do not need to around in Jacksonville. It was not a place to around. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

Jacksonville, huh?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joel Anderson]

It's just like Compton.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, you know, it's just like I remember that record. Remember all the cities on that record.

[Joel Anderson]

St. Louis.

[Van Lathan]

St. Louis.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah. San Antonio. Made it.

[Van Lathan]

Yes, San Antonio. I was like, God damn all of these places. I wanted somebody to make a song when that record came out and the song was like, it's not like Compton. You know what I'm saying? Boise.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Not really like Compton.

[Tate Frazier]

Jackson Hole.

[Joel Anderson]

Omaha.

[Van Lathan]

Jackson Hole. Hey. Kind of not like Compton, fool. Seattle.

[Joel Anderson]

Although Seattle is Seattle.

[Van Lathan]

Not quite like Compton. Because I remember listening to that record back in the day. I was like, God damn, everywhere like Compton. And that was the point of the record. It's.

[Joel Anderson]

It's kind of crazy that he said St. Louis like, it was a surprise, though. It was like, nah.

[Van Lathan]

Am I remember, man, Rest in peace. My daddy. My Daddy was like St. Louis just like Compton. St. Louis worse than Compton. I was like, for real? He was like, boy, man, yeah. You ain't never been. He was like. He's like, ain't no. Just like Compton. He's like, Saint Louis worse than Compton.

[Joel Anderson]

Saint Saint. Saint Louis helped populate Compton, bro. So, yeah, man, there's a lot.

[Van Lathan]

If y' all don't remember that record, that's. We talking some 90s DJ Quick. DJ Quick. Just like Compton.

[Joel Anderson]

Just like one of my favorite songs.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, it's okay. It was just like Compton.

[Tate Frazier]

Jacksonville brought everybody together. You love that.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, you know what? They're moving that game next. You know, they're moving it to Atlanta.

[Van Lathan]

Next year n. It's whack.

[Joel Anderson]

And they're moving it to Tampa the year after that.

[Tate Frazier]

Really? I didn't know that they were doing that.

[Joel Anderson]

I didn't know.

[Tate Frazier]

That's kind of lame.

[Joel Anderson]

Hey, man, I like Tampa, though, man. You know, we might use.

[Tate Frazier]

We might lose usc, Notre Dame, and that game being in Jacksonville very soon. So we got rivalries that are, you know, falling by the wayside. I don't like that. We need that in college. College football. But, yeah, those are the four biggest games there. Number nine, Vanderbilt at number 20, Texas. Number five, Georgia at Florida. Number 18, Oklahoma at number 14, Tennessee. And number 17, Cincinnati, at number 24, Utah. Is there a favorite other matchup on the board for you, Van, that you like?

[Joel Anderson]

Huh?

[Van Lathan]

I, for some reason, like USC versus Nebraska. I am still fascinated with Nebraska, and I'm not sure why. I'm not sure why. I'm still fascinated with Nebraska. I'm going to be tuned in to the South Carolina Ole Miss game.

[Tate Frazier]

That's a good one.

[Van Lathan]

But I am still fascinated with Nebraska. I was a really strong believer in Matt Rule, and I thought that Matt Rule would get Nebraska back to relevance. That's not quite happening. And now there's talk that Matt Rule may be gone. So the question is. And this is the thing, man, it's another thing. If we talk about the Brian Kelly thing or whatever. You're always wondering if you are one of these programs, and this is not a direct shot at the people in Lincoln, okay? This is not a direct shot at them. I'm not saying this by any stretch.

[Joel Anderson]

Shout out my boy, Josh Peterson.

[Van Lathan]

All right? Not a direct shot. But what I'm saying is, when I was growing up, man, I watched Tommy Frazier and Lawrence Phillips just Destroyed people. Y' all talk about all of the college football players that we don't name, that we have forgotten that were just dominant. All you young whippersnappers out there, look up highlights of a guy named Tommy Frazier.

[Tate Frazier]

So good.

[Van Lathan]

From the mid-90s Nebraska teams and the way they would run that option. Watch him just decimate Florida.

[Tate Frazier]

I got a Tommy Frazier jersey, by the way. Nebraska jersey.

[Joel Anderson]

Do you really? Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

You know all of these guys.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm on green, man.

[Van Lathan]

I'm on green. Oh, my God. He was the guy that came behind Lawrence Phillips. Right? So my thing is every single college football program don't matter if you Florida, Florida State, lsu, whoever you are, once again, not to diss the people in Lincoln, but that's what they are afraid of. Florida right now is asking the question, yo, man, it's been a while since we didn't peaked at the top of the mountaintop, man. Are we now Nebraska? Like, are we now this once vaunted, not just dangerous, but dominating program that can't get it done anymore. And I thought Nebraska would be resurrected by Matt Rule. Hasn't happened. So now every game that I watch, I'm like, yo, we going to see this again or are they punting on it again? Is Nebraska now just Nebraska?

[Tate Frazier]

And it was that Fiesta bowl that they beat Florida in, by the way, Nebraska, you know what I mean? When Tommy Frazier beat the hell out of him in that ro.

[Van Lathan]

Beat the hell out of them.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, man.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, it all really fell apart for them. And I know Van be saying I'd be getting stuff wrong, but do you remember the Big 12 championship game where they lost to Colorado, like 62 to 36 or something like that. It was the year air crowd still ended up being the highest, but I felt like that was the year that you first started to see it all sort of crumble, right where it was just like, oh, wow, this is not the same old Nebraska. And yeah, they haven't been back on top of. And the funny thing, because I heard people talk about the Matt Rule to Penn State thing and I was like, have y' all seen Nebraska fans online talk about Matt Rule? Like that they're not totally in love with that guy. Like, they're happy that they're bowl eligible now, which is. Which is something they've been struggling to do for the last few years.

[Tate Frazier]

It seems like he's on the wrong side of the line. You know, at the start of the year, he was on the right side of the line. Now he's moved to the other side. Right.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, that, that lost to Minnesota was really. It wasn't. It was just a bad time for them. Like, they looked really bad offensively.

[Tate Frazier]

And then especially if you saw Minnesota against Iowa last weekend, where they get absolutely demolished.

[Joel Anderson]

Absolutely. And you're looking at Dylan Rayola and you're like, well, has he really turned out to be what we thought he was going to be? Still a very good quarterback, good college quarterback, but maybe not quite what everybody thought. So. Yeah, man, I, you know, I, that, that's going to be a very good game, man. Usc, man. I mean, again, that's a, you know, I mean, if Nebraska loses and is out of the playoff hunt, you know, what, you know, what would those. What will the fans be saying? But for me, I'm looking at Texas Tech at Kansas State. A couple, a couple weeks ago, we all had the expectation that Tech was going to cruise to the Big 12 championship game. Now all of a sudden, they lose Arizona State, they had a solid veteran QB and Baron Morton and a promising backup in Will Hammond. Hammond goes down. He's lost for the season in last week's win over Oklahoma State, man. So they got Morton, who was. Who's sort of injured right now. Like he missed last week, but he could. They said he could have played last week. And they got to go up to Kansas State, man. And Kansas State, I mean, they're. That 4 and 4 record is a little misleading, right? They've lost their four games by a total of 13 points and they've since won.

[Van Lathan]

Damn, that's brutal.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah, that's brutal. They've had a really. They've had just a run of bad. Look, they're not a bad team. It would be real easy for Texas Tech to go up there. And if Texas Tech goes up there to Kansas State, they probably can't make it to that Big 12 championship game. And it's just like, wow, another team that spent a lot of money on that roster and don't get the returns that they expect. So I'll be kind of looking forward to that one to see what comes out of that.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, we need to learn who Texas Tech is. I think that's really, that's really the fact finding of that game, right. To see what the level is, the ceiling of that team. And Kansas State's look better, right? We mentioned them when we talked about the Sunflower Showdown.

[Joel Anderson]

Seventeen straight they, I mean, they beat the shit out of Kansas, man. They beat the shit out of Kansas.

[Tate Frazier]

So. Yeah, I like that. My favorite other matchup, I Got number eight, Georgia Tech at NC State. If you know anything about NC State football, they love to be haters. They love to ruin the party, especially if you're a top ranked team. We saw it with like Florida State 2017 with the guy swinging, you know, the shirt around that, that, that famous meme from that game. I think Florida State was like number 12 in the country. They beat Lamar Jackson that same year when he was having, you know, his following up his Heisman season. They, they beat him when he's a top 25 team. So they like to spoil the party. Haynes King is apparently by reports pissing blood this week and everyone's like worried about him and he's like, I'm still playing. I don't care if. Yeah, that's what he's saying. So number eight Georgia Tech at NC State. If we're leaning into the player haters ball of it all, this is a very NC State game where they could definitely win. So wanted to circle that game, you know, for the haters.

[Joel Anderson]

Let's get Haynes King some help, man. I, I just feel like he's bragging about it.

[Tate Frazier]

He's like, yeah, I'm pissing blood. What else?

[Van Lathan]

What about my man Hollywood Smothers?

[Tate Frazier]

There you go.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, Hollywood Smothers. Hollywood Smothers Might need to somebody might. How much eligibility Holly's Hollywood Smothers got?

[Tate Frazier]

I think he's a sophomore.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, man. Hollywood Smothers. Come on down. I got. I would love to have Hollywood Smothers at lsu tampering.

[Tate Frazier]

He's a sophomore. There you go.

[Joel Anderson]

You are a booster. I mean, you need to be real mothers.

[Van Lathan]

Smothers. Hollywood Smothers. Come on the lsu. Come on down, man.

[Joel Anderson]

My boy Deck went go to NC State, man. They don't have a lot to root for, man. Don't, don't listen. Let's not, let's not pill for the poor, poor wolf pack, man.

[Van Lathan]

I seen Hollywood. Hollywood Smothers be dancing up there. I fuck with them like Hollywood Smothers. What are you doing? Hey, bro. Raleigh is nice. You done done your time in Raleigh. Hollywood Smothers. You done your time in Raleigh. Raleigh is beautiful, by the way.

[Joel Anderson]

I love and they call it Raleighwood.

[Tate Frazier]

So it kind of been in Raleigh.

[Van Lathan]

You've been in Raleigh, man. Come on down to Baton Rouge, put some raising canes. Hollywood Smothers in this motherfucker. Come on, man. You and Harlem Barry Smothers. Barry what? Barry Smothers like Barry SM the Berry Smothers. Bay, you don't want to Call them the sm. Yeah, Hollywood. What is. So it's Barry. And you know what's crazy? You know what's a crazy ass name? Harlem Smothers. That's a crazy name. Harlem Smothers, come on down, man. Add you to the mix right there. You.

[Tate Frazier]

That sounds like a player like that you would have like in your college football game, you know what I mean? Like when you're recruiting in 2032, Harlem Smothers, five star recruit down to you and you know, Alabama and usc, it's going to come on down to lsu. But yeah, that should be a great game. We got some other games on the board I wanted to mention. Throw out number two, Indiana at Maryland. That was for Joel, just for Joel to get fired up. I mentioned Miami at smu, Penn State at Ohio State. We got Duke at Clemson, if you care. Navy at North Texas. Should be a really good game. Navy, undefeated. North Texas, a really good team. So yeah, I wanted to shout that game out. Arizona State at Iowa State, South Carolina at Ole Miss. We mentioned that game and then we got the pack two showdown. Washington State at Oregon State. So two teams left in the pack 12. And then the last game I wanted to throw out there, UNC at Syracuse on Halloween. That's a frightening night. ACC Friday nights.

[Joel Anderson]

Your boys have been building up, Tate. They look, they don't look good, but they look better.

[Tate Frazier]

Trust the process.

[Joel Anderson]

That's right.

[Van Lathan]

I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you. That's not bullshit. They have been looking better as of late. Tate. Are they figuring something out in North Carolina?

[Tate Frazier]

I think, you know, I, you know, they call like praise rat poison. You know, I was texting back and forth with some people down there. They're like, it praises rat poison. Then the hate is a filet mignon. And I think, like, they're eating up the hate. Like they, like every time Pablo comes out with like a new thing, they're like, this is great for us. You know, all the players hate it. You know what I mean? They all kind of galvanize together so, you know, feed off the hate. I think that's, that's the really the storyline there. Bill Belichick needs hate. He doesn't need love.

[Van Lathan]

If you a Clipper or a Tar Heel, the worst person you want to see tweet anything is Pablo Torre. Pablo Torre is kicking your mother fucking ass. You know what this reminds me of? When I look at Pablo, who's doing excellent work, and I see him and I see the reaction to him, I'm like, oh, this is what people thought about me when I was at tmz. Because you would tweet something that you had worked on, and underneath it, it would be like, yo, man, why you fixated on this? Why y' all reporting on this? Why you doing this? What you doing? How you doing it? Why would y' all do this? Why would y' all put this out? And I'm like, I don't know, man. We kind of do the stories that appear and the stories that we go after, whatever. But now I see people respond to Pablo. Pablo kicking North Carolina's nuts in, bruh. That's crazy, man.

[Tate Frazier]

I think more of the clippers, you know what I mean?

[Joel Anderson]

Poor, unfortunately.

[Van Lathan]

Hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait. He just did Mike Lombardi.

[Joel Anderson]

He just did Mike Lombardi.

[Van Lathan]

Hold on, Wait, wait a second. Don't, don't, don't. Because I know you know Pablo. I kind of know Pablo a little bit. Don't run from the grind, Tate.

[Tate Frazier]

I'm not running from the grind.

[Van Lathan]

He just. He just did Mike Lombardi.

[Tate Frazier]

I'm like, why mad? My boy Lombardi is getting people sandwiches. You know?

[Van Lathan]

He just did your man. You have no animus. You have. You have no smoke for Pablo, Tor. He just did your man.

[Tate Frazier]

I got no smoke. I. Like I said, it's a filet mignon. Like, I want the hate to come in. I want them to be fueled by the hate. Like, they need to get dogged, you know, get dog to go into football games. That's what I'm about.

[Van Lathan]

When I saw that, I started to send it to you because I'm like, maybe I did. Actually, I started saying to you because I'm like, this is taste guy I thought about again.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, man. Yeah. I mean, it was. I mean, it was really some. Some compelling information about.

[Tate Frazier]

I would like to point him in a different direction, Jordan, you know what I mean? Like, that's where I would steer him in a different direction.

[Joel Anderson]

Hopefully, he gets there, you know, Tay lying, man.

[Van Lathan]

Wait till we get into these text messages. We're gonna see texts from Tate to Pablo going, yo, motherfucker, you fucking with me.

[Tate Frazier]

Nigga?

[Van Lathan]

This the Tar Heels over here. What's that little Ram? What's that Ram's name?

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, Ramses.

[Van Lathan]

His name is Ramses.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, Ramses.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, no wonder y' all be getting your asses beat.

[Tate Frazier]

Hey, man, it's not even the official mascot. We're Tar Heels. You know what I mean?

[Van Lathan]

So he's not an official mascot. What is he?

[Tate Frazier]

Well, he is the official mascot, but he's named after a running back.

[Van Lathan]

Back.

[Tate Frazier]

The battering ram. You know what I mean? So, like, that's. That's where it came from.

[Joel Anderson]

Who's the running back?

[Van Lathan]

Who's the.

[Tate Frazier]

I think it was Choo Choo Justice, I think.

[Van Lathan]

Hold on. Wait, wait, wait. Hold on real quick. So the Tar Heel is not. What is a Tar Heel? Is not a ram, then. That's not a type of ram?

[Tate Frazier]

No, the Tar Heel is not a type of ram.

[Van Lathan]

Okay, What's.

[Tate Frazier]

What's the Tar Heel? The Tar Heel is from the Colonial War when they had. They put tar in the river to slow down the English. And then the kids from North Carolina had tar on their boots because they were walking through the river. You know what I mean? So they were called Tar Heels. That's how they knew they were from North Carolina.

[Van Lathan]

What era is this? What year did this happen?

[Tate Frazier]

This is like the 17. This is like Colonial times.

[Van Lathan]

Colonial times.

[Tate Frazier]

It's not the Civil War. It's the Revolutionary War.

[Van Lathan]

Every time y' all tell a story like that, I think about the horror that had to happen.

[Joel Anderson]

Tar Heel is adopted by North Carolina Civil War soldiers as a term of state pride.

[Tate Frazier]

No, it's not Civil War. It's revolution.

[Van Lathan]

Tate, what y' all doing?

[Joel Anderson]

Well, you know what? This is the AI overview on Google. Yeah.

[Tate Frazier]

AI. AI is trying to get me caught up. Rams is named after Jack. Jack Merritt, who was the battering ram. He's a football player.

[Van Lathan]

That's why we're in football school right now. I'm gonna do some research. I'm gonna do something. I'm gonna do some research, bro, because I would bet you. I bet you a steak dinner that Tar Heel has something to do with racist. It's like.

[Tate Frazier]

I guarantee it has to do with anti English, you know?

[Van Lathan]

I guarantee you. I guarantee you I'm gonna be able to find something in that Tar Heel that's racist, bro. I promise, Tate. I promise, bro. Our mascot has got that in it, I promise.

[Tate Frazier]

I'm telling you. Ramsey's is named after a football player.

[Joel Anderson]

Hold on.

[Van Lathan]

Look, here's the thing. Is Tar Heel a racist term that came up on Google? Let's look. Damn. It says not inherently racist, but it's. Okay.

[Joel Anderson]

Well, not inherently. I mean.

[Tate Frazier]

Hey, hey.

[Joel Anderson]

But it's origins.

[Tate Frazier]

No, the origins is Revolutionary War, when we founded the country. You know what I mean? That's what it is.

[Joel Anderson]

Okay, all right, okay, okay.

[Tate Frazier]

It's always. It's always fucked the British. You know what I mean? That's what the energy is.

[Joel Anderson]

We'll return to. We'll return to this. Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

I feel like I'm at tv, man.

[Joel Anderson]

The Fayetteville observer wrote about this a few years ago. Does the Tar Heels name celebrate the Confederacy?

[Van Lathan]

We'll have Tate. No, bro, I know that it does.

[Joel Anderson]

Why did they leave it up for. For question, then? I don't know. Why would they do the headline like that?

[Tate Frazier]

It's a Revolutionary War.

[Van Lathan]

Why don't. Why don't they.

[Joel Anderson]

Hard to untangle.

[Tate Frazier]

Heard of the first colony in this country? That's. That's North Carolina. That's us.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. What do you think was happening there after all?

[Tate Frazier]

Not good. The CRO got their ass. The CRO got them up out of there.

[Van Lathan]

That's right. They. They, they, they.

[Tate Frazier]

I forgot about it there.

[Van Lathan]

They got over. So, look. Well, actually, I could make an argument that it was retaliatory anyway, but. But this is what I said. This is. This is what I'll say. Look, bro, look, come on here. On people's land, I'll say this. Shout out to North Carolina. Shout out to them. But I have to. You know lsu, It's a derogatory. I just want you to be in the same hell as me with the Civil War, and I see that, but that Tar Heel shit, I don't know why. I just thought maybe. I thought that the Ram. I really thought that.

[Tate Frazier]

That Ramsey is a football player. Jackman.

[Joel Anderson]

Rams.

[Van Lathan]

Tar Heel.

[Joel Anderson]

Van, I have to. I'm sorry. William Thorpe said the term was reappropriated during the Civil War to represent Confederate soldiers who held their ground against the quote.

[Tate Frazier]

But I'm talking about reappropriate the appropriate.

[Joel Anderson]

And then he says if you call yourself a Tar Heel, you're cheering for the essence of white supremacy.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, my God. Oh.

[Joel Anderson]

What?

[Van Lathan]

Joe.

[Joel Anderson]

I feel bad. I feel bad. I'm sorry.

[Tate Frazier]

They're the problems. Then they implicated North Carolina.

[Joel Anderson]

Why would your observers do this?

[Van Lathan]

Joe, that again.

[Joel Anderson]

He said if you call yourself a Tar Heel, Ellipses, you're cheering for the essence of white supremacy. He said it's like saying, quote, go Confederate soldiers. Or, quote, it's a great day to be a Confederate soldier.

[Tate Frazier]

We're pulling for the Colonial soldiers. We're pulling for the first Americans.

[Joel Anderson]

Oh, man. Oh, man. You want it to be one way.

[Van Lathan]

Tape, but it's the other way.

[Tate Frazier]

They reappropriated.

[Van Lathan]

That's not us.

[Tate Frazier]

Also, South Carolina did this. Secede. We were trying to. We were trying to meet in the middle.

[Van Lathan]

Tate, I thought you was an ally, bro.

[Tate Frazier]

I'm an Al.

[Van Lathan]

I'm Go check your After George Floyd to see if you post.

[Joel Anderson]

Did you have a black square?

[Van Lathan]

Did you put a black square?

[Joel Anderson]

All right.

[Tate Frazier]

I think they made me.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, my God. Tar Heels, man tape. That's another reason why Hollywood smothers need to come on down. Come down to the big Confederacy.

[Tate Frazier]

I think that could be a big band on campus this week, Van. Unless you have something else.

[Van Lathan]

Nah, hell nah. That's it. We uncovered. We did something. We're uncovered.

[Tate Frazier]

Nothing.

[Joel Anderson]

We'll put this Fayetteville observer piece in the show notes.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah, we are actually the ones.

[Van Lathan]

We're the ones that are uncovering stuff here. We are the podcast that is doing the digging, and we found out. Well, we found out the legacy of Tate.

[Tate Frazier]

Oh, that's not us. Hands are clean, man. South Carolina, you can't spell sec without secede. That's what they do. That's what they're up to. It's not.

[Joel Anderson]

I mean, I wore number 12 because of one album that I can't talk about public anymore. And because of Leon Johnson, man. Leon Johnson, number 12.

[Van Lathan]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. We gotta go, guys. We gotta go.

[Joel Anderson]

What?

[Van Lathan]

I know. We gotta go. Tate. I'm sorry if you guys didn't get the subtext there. Joel is trying to say.

[Joel Anderson]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

That he Wore the number 12 because of the R. Kelly 12 play album. Do you know forget. Hold on. Forget about what R. Kelly did, bruh. Do you know what kind of freaky ass nigga you have to be to listen to.

[Joel Anderson]

I was in high school, man. Your number.

[Van Lathan]

Do you know what kind of freak nasty. Freak nasty hooligan. Wait, like, do you know to. To make that your number? Because you listening to R. Kelly in the 90s. That's. You're disgusting. Disgusting.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm not trying. Look, I'm not trying to justify the man. He's obviously discussing. He weird need to be.

[Van Lathan]

Do you.

[Joel Anderson]

Did you. Did you like the Bump and grind remix, though?

[Van Lathan]

Didn't he, bro, I'm not talking about none of that shit. What I'm telling you is that I didn't listen to 12 play and then go shave my hair to be like R. Kelly and start dressing like him. You.

[Tate Frazier]

You.

[Van Lathan]

I'm not, bro. I'm not talking about nothing. I'm talking about the fact that you, as a sentient being, said this album is so hard that I'm about to put my. I'm making my football number.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm gonna.

[Van Lathan]

Nuts, bro.

[Joel Anderson]

I'm gonna tell. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you. I Don't know why I'm doing this, but because I'm. I'm already wearing a ridiculous outfit. My first email address was jda12plea.jd12playhotmail.com.

[Van Lathan]

That's it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Bridge too far. LSU and Shambles Tate. Racist team. You like? I can't do it. I gotta go. That's it. That's it.

[Tate Frazier]

Hey, I gotta. I got a Leon Johnson jets jersey for you, Joel, if you need it.

[Joel Anderson]

I would love that, man. Big fan, big family.

[Tate Frazier]

Yeah. Morganton, North Carolina. Shout out to him. Same hometown as Baumgartner. Madison. Baumgartner. Little connective tissue there between North Carolina cities. Shout out to everybody for listening to Ringer Tailgate. We were having fun today. We broke down Brian Kelly. We also did not get the. The right history on the North Carolina Tar Heels, as we all know. Go do your own research. Go listen. Go listen to Kelly's 12 play.

[Van Lathan]

No, no, you don't need to do that.

[Joel Anderson]

Don't tell nobody if you do it, okay? Keep it.

[Tate Frazier]

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