Joel Anderson (3:36)

Oh, look, I want to add on to what Van said that anyone can love week one. That's the easiest week of college football to love. Big games, it's the first week. This is for the real heads right here. You know, this is like for people that really enjoy college football and to see the scene from the stadiums and teams, you know, have a letdown after a big game, like, this is what it's all about for me. So even though I'm overwhelmed by the number of games, it is, I'm. I'm excited, man. This is dope.

Tate Frazier (4:03)

Yeah, we've gone too far with the Sickos title. I just feel like if you like college football, you like the slate today. There's a lot of fun games. There's a lot of interesting storylines. There's been a lot of great plays in general. I want to start here. Who's having a worst day right now? You can do a start bench cut if you want to. I'll go to you, Van. We got Mike Gundy, Dabo Sweeney, Billy Napier. Between those three, who's having the worst day?

Van Lathan (4:24)

So throw Gundy out because it really doesn't matter what was going to go on with him. He was a massive, massive dog. Going into a game with an Oregon team that might have been underrated by the national media. I mean, they haven't been tested yet, but they've not missed in any facet of the game that they've played yet. And they got better today. And it's between Napier and Dabo and I'm not sure. So what I'm watching right now is south Florida up 15,9 on Florida. But it's not just the fact that South Florida is winning the game. We predicted that. We said that they would have some success. It's the fact that Florida doesn't look dynamic in any way, shape or form. They don't look overwhelming and dominant in any phase of the game here. South Florida is having some success on offense. They're having a lot of success on defense. Clemson is a different story because that is the wow game of the week. That is Troy. That is Troy. Don't get me started about Troy, everybody.

Joel Anderson (5:23)

Every other.

Van Lathan (5:26)

Yeah, okay, but that is Troy.

Tate Frazier (5:29)

State of Alabama.

Van Lathan (5:30)

Absolutely. That's Troy coming into Clemson and what was supposed to be a get right game for them and showing that they still wrong. So out of the two, I Guess I'm gonna go Napier, because his position at Florida is a lot more fraught than what dabos is at Clemson.

Tate Frazier (5:47)

Yeah, dabo's gonna always kind of be able to sell the dream of, hey, we're just getting better day by day. You know, it's kind of, you know, built in the vision of God that is the dabo, you know, company line that continues to hit there. But Billy Napier, he was on the hot seat last year. After week one, we're in week two. If this goes sideways, I mean, how hot is the seat, Joel?

Joel Anderson (6:05)

I mean, this is supposed to be the gimme, right? Which is a funny thing to say, because South Florida is really good this year. They've always got talent. It's just a matter of how well they put things together. But if you can't win this game, this is what you have ahead of you at lsu, at Miami, Texas, at Texas A and M. So they have to go to Kyle Field. They have Mississippi State, then Georgia.

Van Lathan (6:31)

Oh.

Joel Anderson (6:33)

Oh, what happened?

Van Lathan (6:34)

Oh, never mind. We got a big pump return by Florida. Big pump return by Florida right there to kind of get into scoring position right there. My bad, Joe.

Joel Anderson (6:44)

No, no, no.

Tate Frazier (6:44)

You good?

Joel Anderson (6:44)

No, no, no. I mean, because I. I wanted to see what was happening, too. I mean, but it's just if you can't. If this is not a game that you can pull out because you already. I. I heard people say at the beginning of the year that if Florida lost three games, that they could still be a legitimate playoff contender based on the schedule. Right. Because of the schedule that they have. But if you can't win this game, then you. I mean, dog, you close the year with Florida State, Tennessee and Florida State. I mean, just. I. This is the hardest schedule in the world, and it's not fair for Billy Napier that he's being judged on this season. But it is what it is. So lose this game.

Van Lathan (7:18)

It is. It is. You're right. You're right about the schedule. But if they lose to South Florida here, then all the talk about the schedule goes right out of the window. Because if they. If they lose to South Florida, then we're not talking about a team that is a great team that's going to suffer the Knicks and bruises of a long season. Look, the ringer tailgate logo. You guys were on it back here. Don't worry about it, guys.

Tate Frazier (7:44)

V did a lot to get that logo.

Joel Anderson (7:45)

He was really working.

Van Lathan (7:46)

I did. I had this TV mounted. I did the whole thing. We're going to be watching it right here. I Want everybody in the chat to count how many times screen save relieves. We don't know how to make it stay yet. It's a work in progress, just like the show. But if you, you can't win this game, then it tells me that Billy Napier has not yet found a way to maximize the talent that he has on the Florida roster in a dominating way. And that's a much, much bigger problem than the schedule is, wouldn't you say?

Joel Anderson (8:09)

I would. I, I think that's right. But I think my concern is that if you get rid of Billy Napier, you get rid of.

Van Lathan (8:16)

And I would, oh, you know, I want, I want, I want the.

Joel Anderson (8:19)

I see before this game and coming into the season, I thought DJ Lagway was top three good. Like, I thought he was that good of a quarterback. And if you were to cut loose Billy Napier, maybe DJ Lagway goes back, maybe he doesn't. But I, you gotta think that he's gonna open things back up again. So I, I, you, I. Florida needs Billy Napier to work out, otherwise you're looking at another rebuilding job or whatever. But yeah, I think you're right, Van. Like, if they lose to usf, we're not talking about the team we thought we were talking about, but I would say usf, if they win this game, they're in the lead for that group of five spot. I would have, absolutely.

Van Lathan (8:53)

And it's possible that we're wrong about them.

Joel Anderson (8:56)

Right? Yeah.

Tate Frazier (8:57)

Boise, they might be one of those.

Van Lathan (8:58)

Florida at Florida.

Joel Anderson (8:59)

That's, I mean, that's as good as any. Is, Is the Iowa State, like I'm trying to think of, who has the two best wins this year. That's right there with Iowa State.

Tate Frazier (9:07)

And we got, obviously we're going to keep an eye on all those upsets are going to be happening in real time. We got a programming note not to do our best, not to kind of spoil what's right, but, you know, look, we're watching these games with you, along with you, and we're gonna let you know how we feel as we see things happening. But again, we had a lot that has already happened today. We got Arch Manning overreactions again. We had not one, but two shocking overtime games. We had muff punts, we had multiple weather delays. We had a border showdown shootout. We had a battle of the bands. We had Iowa, Iowa State doing what they always do, which is make a field goal, you know, kind of game. And Iowa State shout out to them for getting the job done. Tommy Castellanos was great, but let's start here. One big reaction van. From what we've seen so far today, what has kind of got you going?

Van Lathan (9:51)

My big reaction is this. There is no such thing as a college football expert.

Joel Anderson (10:00)

Okay?

Tate Frazier (10:00)

Don't say that too loud. Don't aggregate it.

Van Lathan (10:02)

A college football expert does not exist. Let me tell you what I mean. There are experts in college football culture. There are football experts. They're experts in, they're super knowledgeable college football people that know every coordinator everywhere, every scheme everywhere, every nook and cranny of every program. If you want to call those people experts in terms of their direct knowledge of the ins and outs in the sports of the sport, that's one thing. But if you're telling me that there's somebody who can look at a program or look at a team and tell you how good they are or how good they're going to be, I don't think that exists. Couple of years ago, well, actually guess was last year Nick Saban and a bunch of other people went to Florida State practices and told us that Florida State wasn't just a good team, that they were a generationally good team or the best Florida State team in a couple that they were going to dominate. And it just did not happen. It did not happen in any way, shape or form. They were bad in all, all of the other places that people told us that they were good. Now I'm watching as the day shakes out and I'm watching Clemson, a team that most of the national media told everyone wasn't just a good team but might be the most talented team in college football. And I'm watching the Clemson team that cannot run the ball, they cannot successfully pass the ball. They are also getting pushed around on the defensive line. Those all American fantastic first round defensive line players that we had told, they're getting pushed around, but not by LSU who started a patchwork brand new offensive line when they went to Clemson last week. Now it's by a bunch of guys that would be at Clemson had they been recruited there. Right? And that's no disrespect to the Troy program. I know a lot of people that went to Troy shout out Nick May, shout out all my other friends that had gone to Troy. Troy can get some dog baseball program they got. It's a good sports.

Joel Anderson (12:07)

That's DeMarcus. Well, that's DeMarcus. Where's all.

Van Lathan (12:09)

Absolutely. But what I'm saying is, is that when you look at some of the teams that we are watching struggle, they're not just Struggling, they're struggling mightily. They have zero identity. They have no domination. There's no fire under these teams. Alabama, some people's national championship choice, right?

Tate Frazier (12:32)

Yeah.

Van Lathan (12:33)

I'm not saying that these people are idiots. Any. No, no. Knowing college football and being an expert in college football is about being an expert of the culture, the history and the present situations of the programs in college football. There is just not a lot of way that you can look at these teams and project what they're going to do and project how good they're going to be because there's just too many variables involved right now in the present day of college football. I truly believe that.

Tate Frazier (13:01)

I love that take. And also we should point out Clemson just took the lead, so they are now up 17, 16, so they can't snap back, you know, as they are prone to do. But again, that was sort of expected. Joel, what about you? One big reaction.

Joel Anderson (13:14)

So my thing is, so when Baylor played SMU earlier today and you know, I went to tcu, you know what I'm saying? Shout out to my boys.

Tate Frazier (13:26)

Still hurts.

Joel Anderson (13:27)

Does it really get used to this, you know, this, this isn't Bama we're talking about, but I mean, so Baylor played SMU and like even though SMU put in about, I don't know, 23,000 fans, you know, hardcore fans, SMU, where you go, shout out. This is what the ACC is all about. They look for the big time, but the energy and the history and all the things that are around it, that's what makes football. So my big tech, my, my big reaction is that regionalism is what makes this game great, you know, and like now that we've, you know, expanded the Big Ten so that it basically touches every coast, you know, people think that it's like getting name brand programs is where it's at, but I think it's like the thing that you cannot recreate is the feeling that ISU gets from being nioa, from KU playing Mizzou. They're no longer, they're no longer in the Big eight. But that, the feelings that those fans have. They said that people were yelling at the, at the, at the KU guys as they were coming into the game and everything. Arkansas is playing Arkansas State for the first time in history, right? In history. And that's a big deal like for my folks back in Arkansas still, you know, Pine Bluff, Hot Spring, Little Rock, what's up? People back there know exactly like, you know, saying like what that game is supposed to mean in these game, these programs mean to these Cultures, Louis, LSU play Louisiana Tech, the Bayou Bucket, Houston versus Rice. It's all that stuff is what things in it. So my. My hope is that whatever shakes out in college football a decade from now, when there's just whatever, this consolidation of programs, and if it's just the SEC, the 10, and like North Carolina, whatever, fine. When that all breaks down, I hope that we get back to like the Southwest Conference. Like, I want Baylor, tcu, smu, Rice, Houston. I want all these programs back where they're supposed to be, because this other stuff, you can't. TCU has played West Virginia for more than a decade. I could give a shit, man. You would not make me hate West Virginia. I just don't care enough to hate it. But Baylor and smu, I want both of them to lose, you know?

Tate Frazier (15:28)

Yeah. And West Virginia should play Pitt, and they are this year, finally. And it does feel like, just to give an anecdote, you mentioned kind regional rivalries and why they matter. There was a story that there was a kid that went out on the field during the Mizzou Kansas game. He had a chance to kick a 45 yard field goal, I guess, for a good amount of cash, kind of in the McAfee form, and instead he lifted his shirt and it said fu, Kansas. And he kicked the ball at the Kansas sideline. You know, you're not gonna. You're not gonna get that anywhere else.

Joel Anderson (15:54)

I love that. Yeah, man.

Tate Frazier (15:55)

That's why regionality works.

Joel Anderson (15:57)

I mean, does anybody care about KU or Mizzou more than KU or Mizzou? Right. Maybe K State cares about Kansas or whatever, but like, nobody. They've tried to make Missouri's rival like Arkansas. They've tried. Well, these are things.

Van Lathan (16:08)

These are your neighbors. These are your cultural enemies. Yeah, to be honest with you, these are your cultural enemies. This is the school you went to. You attended it, or your mom attended it or your dad attended it, or it buoys your community. This is representative of you. We talked about it already already, man. Lsu, you see the player? Where is the player from? The player comes from New Iberia. He comes from Slidell. He comes from Baton Rouge, Appaloosas, Donaldsonville, Lake Charles, West Monroe, Faraday, all of these places. And you're like, man, that's what my cousin and them from. These are community heroes that are playing for their college football teams. And it matters when they go and play against people that are from Mississippi, that are from Arkansas, they are from Texas, you know, that are from Alabama, God forbid. So, yeah, like, you know, I hope that that regionality is able to. To. To. To like to. To stay in college football. But I also hope that the SEC gets its goddamn act together because we talking about some struggles ville performances right now by SEC teams. You know I'm watching Ole Miss versus UK and the. That was a fail fest. Whatever team was able to get to failure first and snatch Stoops is Mark Stoops is clock management at the end of the first half.

Tate Frazier (17:34)

Shawn McDonough is disgusted, like comical.

Van Lathan (17:39)

So I'm wondering what is going on right now in the sec man.

Joel Anderson (17:44)

No, no great teams and it's early man. It's early. Like I think is this the first week that Ole Miss and or Kentucky played Akan the week before? I don't remember who Ole Miss played but it was somebody. Sorry. Right. It was like who you know, not so I shouldn't say sorry but sorry. University a minor program and so they're getting into. They, they're getting with the Texas Ohio State game was last week. They're finally getting somebody they can punch back and they're. And they're learning on the fly about what they've actually got. But yeah, I, yeah, the SEC man again I'm always just like. I feel like, I mean Mizzou did beat Kansas today but like okay, is Kansas, is Mizzou that good? We really. That's the top 20 team, huh?

Van Lathan (18:25)

For real.

Joel Anderson (18:26)

OK, if you say so.

Tate Frazier (18:28)

Yeah. And that's going to be a lot of conversation. Obviously conference pride is a big talking point. My big reaction is this. We had 79 games today. FBS games. There's too many games. I want to watch all these games. We're doing the show, we're talking about the games. I don't have. I need a multi view with at least 12 games if YouTube TV's listening to us. YouTube TV Step it up. With just four games, an iPad and a phone, the most you can get is six games. And it really doesn't add up. And I feel like I was missing things that were happening. Every time you kind of go somewhere else, you know, it's whopper, whopper. Here comes a walk. You know, it's like the commercial takes over. I got to the wrong channel and then it goes, you know, and I missed the big play. I'm just all over the place. It was too many games.

Van Lathan (19:10)

I'm disgusted by this take but don't show. There's too many disgusting.

Tate Frazier (19:14)

Spread them out, spread them out, spread them out. That's all I'm saying.

Van Lathan (19:23)

There's not too Many games. You know what? Here's the deal. We gotta. This is what I live for. We gotta prioritize. We gotta.

Tate Frazier (19:30)

I'm working on the most.

Van Lathan (19:31)

So I'll tell you a story. Back in the day, my brother introduced this restaurant to me. Fogo de Chao.

Tate Frazier (19:39)

Oh, yeah, it's cousin Sal's favorite. He gets, like, takeout.

Joel Anderson (19:43)

Good stuff.

Van Lathan (19:44)

Now you have to watch the college football slate like you comport yourself at a Fogo de Cha. Because the first time I went to Fogo de Cha, I almost ended up in Fogo to see or Sinai Medical Center.

Tate Frazier (19:59)

That's me. That's me right now. That's me.

Van Lathan (20:01)

Today, I. I almost ended because I'm like, just keep bringing out. Keep bringing out the protein. I was about to. There's no way I could say that. I could say if I said, keep bringing out the meat, bringing out the beef, y' all was gonna get me.

Joel Anderson (20:15)

Yeah, man.

Van Lathan (20:16)

I'm saying, like, I'll keep bringing out the protein. Right? Then I learned that the way to do it is to go in there, nibble, nibble, nibble, taste, and then feast upon the most sustenance filled meal. And that's kind of how you gotta do these games. You're watching key drives, you're watching a quarter. But the games you can't miss. You don't miss them. That's what you gotta do, Tate. See, that's your problem. You want to eat everything. Sometimes you gotta nibble on that thing a little.

Joel Anderson (20:47)

Wait, what would you. What would you do then? Do you know. Do you know about the. The. The weekend brunch at the Bellagio? Are you.

Van Lathan (20:54)

Are you know about the weekend brunch at the Four Seasons here? But I haven't. I like those brunches, and I always feel like I'm gonna get herpes from the brunches in Vegas. I always feel like you go there, like something's gonna happen, but go ahead.

Joel Anderson (21:06)

Well, okay, wait. I was comparing it to that because it's like, yo. Like, you could really overwhelm yourself. Like, it's like, man, they got crab legs over here. I mean, don't want to go to the omelette station. But also they got French toast and crepes and everything. And it's like, how do you know where to go? Which is what brings me to this. I've been using multi view. This is the first. I learned how to use multi view. This is the first time. So I've been using it for the first two weeks of my life. This is. I can't this. Y', all, y' all can't watch football this way, right? Like you can't, like you're, you're not actually taking anything.

Tate Frazier (21:37)

Watching goes back to the experts, right? Like it's impossible because I don't, I.

Joel Anderson (21:41)

Don'T think I'm taking in anything as I, as I do this. Like, I'm titillated. Like there's so much happening right now, you know, there.

Van Lathan (21:49)

But look, I've been using multiview for a long time.

Tate Frazier (21:52)

Joel just zoned out by the way he like looked at the tv, looked at the screen.

Van Lathan (21:55)

Yeah, yeah.

Joel Anderson (21:56)

I was like, man, what happened?

Van Lathan (21:57)

I've been using multiview for a long time, just not for football. Like there are times on my laptop where there are multiple tabs that are opened up and it's, it's multi view of a different thing. So, so, so I've been using multiview so I understand it. But now that it allows you to curate the multi view. Yeah, crazy. But back to the games here, man. Like, I guess from, from my standpoint, watching everything that we saw, are we at all in a position to even give a sure fire top five, like five teams, you know, because right now, after last week, everyone was saying the most complete team, the team that showed the most moxie, that played the toughest test was LSU because they went on the road against Clemson, they won the game, got really great. If not, I wouldn't say really great. I'd say super competent quarterback play. The defense held up, the offensive line held up. All of that happened. Now you're looking at this game, you just don't know. You have no clue about any of these teams.

Joel Anderson (23:04)

I'll give you, I'll give you, I'll give you top five right now. Are you ready? Are you okay? Are you ready? Okay. Yeah. Okay. Ohio State Number 1. LSU Number 2. Georgia Number 3. Miami Number 4. Oregon Number 5. Iowa State Number 6.

Van Lathan (23:23)

I was state number 6.

Joel Anderson (23:25)

I was state number six. I was state number six, man.

Tate Frazier (23:28)

Rocco Beck with the jump pass today.

Joel Anderson (23:31)

At a certain point you got to go by who's one. I mean, I've reserved the right to change my mind next week. Right. Because I feel like that's the. If you're going to do a poll, you got to rank it week by week. You can't just depend on moving people around that were up, you know, the previous week or whatever. You need to look at it holistically and start all over again. And who's had two better wins than Iowa State so far?

Van Lathan (23:54)

You talking About Kansas State and then coming back and, and beating Iowa and.

Joel Anderson (24:00)

Beating, beating our, yeah.

Van Lathan (24:01)

Two rivalry. Those are, those are good wins. Those are good, solid wins. I just want to let you know that Georgia got a win today. They beat Austin P. What do you think the score of the game was?

Tate Frazier (24:15)

It was 16:3. Right.

Joel Anderson (24:18)

I, I know the score, so I can't, I can't.

Van Lathan (24:21)

28. The, the game. The score of the game was 28 6. Now look.

Tate Frazier (24:24)

Oh, there you go.

Van Lathan (24:25)

That's.

Tate Frazier (24:25)

The lightning delay was 16:3. I didn't even know they came back.

Van Lathan (24:28)

Exactly. And the lighting delay might have taken away some of the rhythm of the game and maybe they had to, you know, take their foot off the gas or they got cold or whatever. All kinds of things, wonky, crazy things happen when you have a lightning delay.

Tate Frazier (24:39)

Yeah.

Van Lathan (24:39)

What I'm saying is I'm looking at 286 against Austin P. And I'm looking at a Georgia team, and I only got to watch a little bit of that. I'm sorry, Georgia fans, I couldn't watch you guys against Austin Pete or a lot of things that were going on.

Tate Frazier (24:55)

But I want to watch it.

Van Lathan (24:56)

I'm still looking at a team that once again is finding its identity. And another thing is this. When I say that, I mean, look back in the past. Lsu, Virginia Tech, back in the day, we have Keelan Williams running the ball for us. We didn't have the strongest passing game, but you know what? We knew we could do just great and mall against Virginia Tech. And that's a, that was a pretty solid ACC program. Just great and mall. Great and mall. Great and maul to a point to where they cannot stop us from running the ball or imposing our will. I have yet to see a team really do that besides Oregon against Oklahoma State today. They looked like they could do whatever they wanted against Oklahoma State, and there was nothing that Oklahoma State could do.

Tate Frazier (25:46)

Another team I wanted to throw in just in the top five conversation. What about Florida State? I mean, what we saw against Alabama, what we saw today, I mean, Tommy Castellanos to me looks like the Heisman front runner.

Van Lathan (25:59)

Joe.

Joel Anderson (26:00)

Yeah. No, no, no. I mean, I, I, I agree. I mean, they should be in there. I mean, they've, I guess the thing is, how much do you put on the Alabama win? Because the funny thing about it is that everybody is like, man, Florida State look good. They're, they're so great. Now it looks like, you know, Tommy Castellanos and Gus Malzan, they figured it all out. And then the next breath they'll be like, man, look how terrible Alabama look. They look slow. They don't even look like they have any. They don't even look like they're engaged. They got guys jogging around out there. The culture's falling apart. So I'm like, which is it? You know?

Tate Frazier (26:27)

Yeah, I think.

Van Lathan (26:28)

I guess my thing about Florida State is Florida State. To me, I have the least amount of questions about Florida State right now. Florida State plays loose, they play nasty. They play with precision, they play with intensity, they play with purpose, and they dominate where they're supposed to dominate. Like, if you go back and look at the game, Florida State looked at Alabama and they said, okay, you guys didn't come to play. I'm gonna knock your ass off the ball. I'm going to drive you five yards back if you did not come to play. And we know what we want to do. We know how we want to score. They did not play quality competition today, but what they did do was kill the team in front of them. Not beat the team in front of them, not get a win. They killed the team in front of them. And when I saw the way that they did it, the joy that they're playing with in Florida State, this is supposed to be a poverty franchise and program, and it's not a poverty program at all. But coming off of last year, these kids are not supposed to believe in themselves. They're supposed to have questions about their talent, about what they do. They had the worst season in Florida State in God knows how long. They're supposed to be questioning themselves, and they don't. They're having fun. They're hitting, blocking, and tackling, and they're doing it with purpose. They're dropping their nuts all over the place. I've been unbelievably impressed by what I've seen by floor from Florida State, and that includes today.

Joel Anderson (27:51)

I don't think you can do any. So I. I take what you said. If you. If you confined it to Alabama, nothing you do against the former Texas A and M Commerce counts. I'm sorry. This ain't fair. That's.

Van Lathan (28:05)

I don't.

Joel Anderson (28:06)

Dog.

Van Lathan (28:07)

I disagree.

Joel Anderson (28:08)

This is not fair. East. Come on, man.

Van Lathan (28:11)

You know, the only reason why I disagree is because what they score 70 or 80 points.

Joel Anderson (28:16)

77.

Tate Frazier (28:16)

77.

Van Lathan (28:17)

They scored 77 points.

Tate Frazier (28:21)

Clinically, by the way.

Van Lathan (28:23)

I'm not. I'm not saying that this means that they are. That they were tested. I'm not saying that. But what I'm saying is, like, I remember when Tim Tebow was struggling in the NFL and a friend of mine that I know this whole time in NFL.

Tate Frazier (28:40)

I'm sure Florida State fans are excited to hear the Tim Tebow cop. I'm excited.

Van Lathan (28:44)

Just listen. A friend of mine that was a, was a, was a scout, not a scout. He worked in one of these organizations. I don't want to say too much about him because I don't want to. I don't want people to know that he was a TMZ informant back in the day. But a friend of mine, he went to practice and he was like, man, I'm watching Tim, I'm watching Tim Tebow on air. I'm watching him throw against air and it's not there. I'm like, how could it not be there? I watched him make passes. He's like, the NFL game is completely different. The windows are smaller. You have to be an anticipatory thrower. You have anticipatory throw, you have to drop the ball in different spots. You have to read defenses in a very specific way. It's not there. So I judge teams based upon execution, like how you are executing whatever the game plan is. And of course competition messes up the execution of what it is that you're doing because they blow guys off of the line and get in your def, your defensive, in your offensive backfield, all that kind of stuff. But if you are executing, then you are executing and they, and just the way that they played. So I took a lot from the game today. Even though Joel is right, it was not quality competition.

Tate Frazier (29:52)

Yeah, Deuce Robinson was the star of the day. Right. I mean, he had that 42 yard touchdown catch one handed. He also had, I think at an 82 yard or 83 yard touchdown reception as well, was, you know, he's getting compared to Randy Moss, you know, with that old, you know, classic meme of him, you know, with the three catches, three touchdowns. So I mean, that's how electric they look from the jump. So it goes back to the execution they came out and actually executed, you know, to a T right there. I want to do biggest thing from today. We did our big reaction, but the biggest thing that you were watching for, that kind of just got you going a little bit. Joel, I'll start with you. What's your biggest thing?

Joel Anderson (30:26)

I mean, I think we're seeing once again that young quarterbacks are going to need some time. And I'll start with Arch Manning because once again people are expecting, oh, you know, he's going to just run away with it and you know, he's going to put it all together and we're going to see everything that everybody said that last week was an anomaly or whatever. But a development is not necessarily a linear process. Right. It's going to take some time and we're going to find out a lot of things about this guy in a variety of situations. There's going to be defenses he's not seen yet. Also, he's going to have to learn to deal with receivers that sometimes can't catch. Right. Like Wingo Band, bro. Man, I, I don't even like to talk about college kids like that, but God damn, man. I mean, I've seen.

Tate Frazier (31:09)

Thank God for Parker Livingstone, right, man.

Joel Anderson (31:12)

Parker Livingstone, man. That's what I'm saying.

Van Lathan (31:14)

You know, we're calling him Livingstone. I think this brother's name is Parker Livingston, man.

Tate Frazier (31:18)

That's what they were calling him. But it's, it's spelled stone and it's listed in man.

Joel Anderson (31:22)

So the E is solid.

Tate Frazier (31:25)

They're really playing it like I'm, like they won't even say the man, his.

Van Lathan (31:28)

Brother'S name is part. You know what? I've never. I'm trying to think the last time I've been disinvested in a white boy. Like I need. I want Parker Livingston to succeed because of the way Joel has treated him, man.

Joel Anderson (31:40)

Oh, I mean, I think he's great. I mean, obviously he's the go to receiver at the University of Texas, man. That's.

Van Lathan (31:47)

Yeah, he blew the game open for him today, man. Parker L. Is getting his brother. He's living this whole, his whole life in this country that is looking to make an example out of a white man. He got us, himself and his family out of their position and it's all on him now. Now he's out there trying to. And they got, he got somebody right now hating on him with underlying levels of that other R word.

Tate Frazier (32:10)

It's called bulletin.

Joel Anderson (32:13)

I mean, look, bro, he was a, he was a low four star. He's really, he's overperforming, I just assume. Do you think, do you think Parker Livingstone is going to be drafted on the first two days of the NFL draft? Do you think, you think Ben's laughing.

Tate Frazier (32:27)

Too hard to answer?

Van Lathan (32:30)

No, I. Look, I think this, I think right now there's something brewing in Texas. I think that he's become Arch's favorite target and Wingo is becoming Arch's. The bane of Arch's existence. Like to, to. To me on Arch Manning today, everybody's gonna look at the stat line. Yeah, they're gonna look at the stat line and if you look at the stat line, it's going to tell you that. I think he threw for 290. I think he had four touches. He ran one in. He didn't play that great today.

Joel Anderson (33:07)

No, he didn't.

Van Lathan (33:08)

And you know, once again, against vastly inferior competition, he did not play that great today. A lot of the balls that arched through today were in gigantic windows. He didn't put them on people in a confident way. Some of these big plays, some of them, he turned receivers around a little bit and he still did that thing again where he, he skipped a couple of balls.

Joel Anderson (33:35)

Yeah.

Van Lathan (33:35)

Where he had a lot of time in the pocket. I'm not sure, like what's going on. I'm not sure what's happening. So for. So for me, I don't really know if I have a better understanding of Arch's talent. I don't think I do. I don't know if I believe that Arch is going to flip the switch and start dominating college football. Not from the performance today.

Joel Anderson (33:56)

Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing. We'll never know. It's going to take some time for us to figure out, okay, San Jose State, how good are they really? Ohio State, they're going to be a completely different team in November, so it's going to take a while for us to figure this out. But yeah, from what we've seen so far, I've just been really surprised that, I mean, even athletically, like, he didn't really blow me away against San Jose State. I was like. Because that's the thing. It's like, okay, he's the most like Archie. He's, you know, can run around a little bit. And I didn't even really see that out of him today. And again, I, I'm not rooting against the kid. Like, I want to see him succeed. Like, I know that they must be very tough to play under the specter, that kind of fame and expectation, but I just, I guess I keep waiting to be impressed and it just has not happened yet.

Tate Frazier (34:47)

Two body language things I wanted to flag and get your guys thoughts on when it comes to Arch Manning. The first one they cut to Cooper Manning, his father in the crowd. Everyone around there is kind of like chatting and hobnobbing, whatever he is in a death stare, silent, no smile, tense, tight. I mean, just look like he was very concerned because again, the first two drives were not great. And then the second body language thing I wanted to get your reaction on. Arch Manning scores the first touchdown, he throws it to Parker Livingstone. Slash, stun. And he watches the highlight, and he just yells, like, a very, like, feral scream to the skies, like his excitement about it. Your thoughts, Van? One, the dad is uptight. And two, I think he kind of overreacted to the touchdown. Are those concerning things?

Van Lathan (35:33)

No, they're not concerning. I think those are the types of things that I enjoy about watching college football. Right. You get the flash and the mama in the stands. You get the flash to the dad in the stands, and, you know, you talk about what somebody got through to get to the point. Remember the ridiculous clip of the guy saying, you know, he was in the. He came out of the transfer portal and everybody wanted them. And then years ago, when he was up for adopting, nobody wanted him. Those are the kind of things that are peppered into a. Yeah. So you're looking into the stands at Cooper. There's a lot of pressure on. On Arch. And part of the pressure on Arch is his last name. The same. The same thing that's making us obsess about him is the same thing that is. Is putting so much on his shoulders. He's been saddled with greatness. He's been saddled with it. He's. They've. They've. They've put it on him. So there's a part of the whole experience, the Archman experience, where Texas wants to win, Texas wants to dominate Arts, wants to go out and achieve. But then there's another part about it. They don't want to be embarrassed. Yeah, there hasn't been a bad Manning. You know, Archie Manning was a guy who was surrounded with not a lot of talent in the pros. And so it took away from what he could be. But if you watched Archie Manning play, then you saw, hi. Wow, look at this guy. This is a dude within a different situation who could get it done. He certainly got it done at Ole Miss. And then you have Eli and then you have Peyton. These are guys. That's four Super Bowls right there. There hasn't been a bad Manny. So the pressure on Arch isn't just to achieve for Texas. It's to live up to the family name. And that's the thing that I think a lot of people thought that he would be able to do no matter what. So. So when I see Cooper stressing, there's a part of that that's just. That's my boy out there. I want him to do the best that he can. And when I see architecture like. Like exalting or exhaling, should I Say I see people that are going, ah, I don't suck.

Tate Frazier (37:56)

Oh, relief.

Van Lathan (37:57)

He doesn't.

Joel Anderson (37:57)

Yeah. Really?

Van Lathan (37:58)

It's relief. Yeah.

Tate Frazier (38:01)

Exasperated relief after the start to that game too. Right? I mean, our. The takes are already coming after the first two drives.

Joel Anderson (38:06)

Yeah. Can I. Can I. I have sort of a. A racist stat, but I think it's sort of telling.

Tate Frazier (38:13)

That'd be a new segment.

Joel Anderson (38:14)

Maybe I'm making it about race with Joel Anderson.

Tate Frazier (38:20)

Save that for Blue Sky.

Joel Anderson (38:21)

Yeah, right. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Look, man, Dog, Blue sky tried to with me today, man. Or to try to take my shine away, man.

Van Lathan (38:28)

Tell them what happened on Blue Sky. I was just letting Blue sky know right now.

Joel Anderson (38:31)

All right, well, you know, tell them.

Van Lathan (38:34)

What happened on Blue Sky.

Joel Anderson (38:35)

Yeah. So for people know that I do a weekly tweet thread. It started on Twitter, but now I do it on Blue Sky. And it's just my weekly football. College football thread. And so I started out. You always start some just to get it in, get into there. And it was like, oh, my God, it feels like football outside, you know, And I do a little. And I did, you know, a little heart after it or whatever. Okay. Yeah, right. That's just how I felt, you know, because I mean, I really. I stepped outside and it was beautiful. And I was like, man, this. And I smelled the grass. And that's the thing that always just fucked with me. Like I said, when I smell the grass, I was like, oh, man.

Tate Frazier (39:09)

Fresh cut grass.

Joel Anderson (39:10)

It makes me want to go out there and roll around, bro. You know? So anyway, so then this guy on Blue sky, and I'm not going to edit, man, because people already been busting his ass on Blue sky, man. He said, yeah. Every time the president declares war on one of America's largest cities, all I think of is Chris Bear burning leaves and the roar of the crowd.

Van Lathan (39:31)

Oh, man.

Joel Anderson (39:31)

Craig, what the you doing, man? Why are you doing. Why are you doing that to me?

Tate Frazier (39:35)

You gotta separate church and state. Yeah, yeah.

Van Lathan (39:40)

And here's the deal. This is why I'm not with Blue Sky.

Joel Anderson (39:43)

Come on, man. Come on over there, man.

Van Lathan (39:44)

I'm not. I'm not. I'm not.

Joel Anderson (39:46)

I'm over there by myself, man.

Van Lathan (39:48)

That's good. I'm not. I'm not with Blue Sky. I can't with Blue sky shout out to everything that's going on over on Blue sky.

Joel Anderson (39:54)

And.

Tate Frazier (39:55)

Oh, man.

Van Lathan (39:56)

But see, I'd have to put the drive on him. I'd have to give him the business, bro, don't. With my college football like this, man. It's Saturday. We'll get to the politics. We'll go back and try to save the world from burning down.

Tate Frazier (40:09)

Save it for Monday.

Van Lathan (40:10)

Save it for Monday, man. It's Saturday. The kids is out here playing.

Joel Anderson (40:14)

Why would you.

Van Lathan (40:14)

Kids was playing, man.

Joel Anderson (40:15)

Why would somebody do that? I just didn't make any sense. I was like, man, what. Get the out of here, bro. You don't even. That's the. You don't even follow me. How did you find this? How did you find this? Skeet. Oh, is that what they.

Tate Frazier (40:28)

Hold on. They call them skeets.

Joel Anderson (40:30)

Oh, yeah. You didn't know that?

Van Lathan (40:32)

Blue Sky. They call them skeets.

Joel Anderson (40:34)

Yeah.

Van Lathan (40:35)

Oh, yeah.

Joel Anderson (40:38)

Man. Come on.

Van Lathan (40:39)

You guys are ridiculous, bro. No, you guys are ridiculous. On blue sky. No, no. Blue sky. No, you guys are ridiculous, bro. Skeets. You guys are skating on each other on blue sky. Wait, wait.

Joel Anderson (40:50)

You knew. Y' all knew this? Don't act.

Van Lathan (40:52)

I promise you I didn't know that. So you mean to tell me so I can tweet at somebody? I can tweet somebody. So on blue sky, you skeet somebody. You skied on them.

Tate Frazier (41:01)

You ski. It's a criminal charge.

Joel Anderson (41:04)

I mean, that's one of the worst for it. You can post. I could.

Van Lathan (41:06)

I could have seen Watson on blue sky.

Tate Frazier (41:11)

Hey.

Joel Anderson (41:11)

Hey.

Tate Frazier (41:12)

Clemson's already having a tough day.

Joel Anderson (41:14)

Yeah, right? Yeah, I know, right? Why are you doing that to them?

Tate Frazier (41:16)

Let him slide. Come on, Joe. Joe, pick back up with your skeets.

Joel Anderson (41:21)

Okay, so my. The. The racist skeet that I was going to tweet, but I have not tweeted or skied it. Texas hasn't had a black player score a touchdown all year, man. Oh, they haven't had. They had black person score point for Texas all year long.

Tate Frazier (41:38)

The pushback would be. Who would it be? Other than Wingo, right?

Joel Anderson (41:41)

I mean, cj. Back. Back. You know, I don't know. Jared Gibson, you know. Yeah. DeAndre Moore, who was really good last year. I mean, I just. Again, that doesn't mean. That doesn't have to mean anything. I'm not saying that that means that black people are necessarily superior athletes. I don't necessarily believe that. But what I am saying, it's just kind of funny. It is. I mean, I wonder how many Going.

Tate Frazier (42:05)

Back to his Newman days.

Joel Anderson (42:11)

Taking it back to 1969, man.

Van Lathan (42:13)

Shout out folk heroes out there, huh? It's getting real right here. So it's 15. It's 1615. Florida. South Florida is driving, okay? They had pin Florida deep with A punt. Great punt, good execution right there from the Florida punter. Florida special teams. But now there was a pass interference call. New life. 15 yards. First down on Florida driving. All they all South Florida needs to do is get into field goal range. And let me tell you something right now on Ringer Tailgate, this show we called how difficult of a game this was going to be for Florida. And I need, because, you know, I, I need, I was trying to get the clips of the Alabama stuff and all of that from the week. This time I'm dropping my nuts on college football. If this game ends up right now in a victory from South Florida that we called, I'm gonna drop my nuts all over college football because you guys bet with us, man.

Joel Anderson (43:22)

That's right, man. Put, put, put some money in. We've been telling you about USF since before the season started.

Tate Frazier (43:27)

Yeah, the Bulls, they're running right now. And yet. Go ahead, Van. What do you got to say?

Van Lathan (43:33)

You're a pun master. You're a pun. I've seen you do this a couple of times.

Joel Anderson (43:38)

It is right. It is very, very slick with a tape.

Van Lathan (43:40)

If you slick with it, you get it in there. You're a pun master.

Joel Anderson (43:43)

And I with that Chris Fowler of.

Tate Frazier (43:46)

You, hey man, we're working. We're trying to have fun. I like that. Van already called out the experts at the top. Then following up with the facts that, you know, maybe the experts you thought that were experts might not be the ones and they might be here on Ring or Tailgate. So I do like that.

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Tate Frazier (46:04)

And your big thing, the biggest thing, we obviously just did Joel's. But which one? What do you have? We talked Arch Manning. Do you have another big thing?

Van Lathan (46:12)

Quarterback play. We expected that. The quarterback play that there were quarterbacks in in college football that have to find their way, right. There weren't a lot of guys that were returning with no questions about them. Even the guys that were returning drew aller. Guys like that. K Clubnick. Guys like that. Even those guys. Boom. Even those guys.

Tate Frazier (46:37)

Van is fixing the monitor.

Van Lathan (46:40)

They missed something that I did. I flipped the screen mid tape because it was backwards at first. And then I flipped the settings, man. Work in progress. We rolling the show. I'm looking around and I'm not seeing a lot of teams that their quarterbacks like, just scare the out of me. I watch Penn State once again play against inferior competition and really take a while to work themselves into what it was that they were doing now. Oh, South Florida on the move.

Joel Anderson (47:11)

Oh, there you go. Oh, he's on the.

Tate Frazier (47:13)

They're in field goal range.

Van Lathan (47:14)

They in field goal range right now. Inside of two. Okay.

Joel Anderson (47:17)

Oh, man.

Tate Frazier (47:17)

What quarterback you would care about but Byron Brown looks like, you know, a guy that might be a quarterback to worry about based on what we've seen through two weeks. Just flagging.

Van Lathan (47:26)

Absolutely.

Joel Anderson (47:26)

Look.

Van Lathan (47:27)

And now we got. There's a Grammatica kicking at South Florida. I love that.

Tate Frazier (47:30)

I love that family.

Van Lathan (47:31)

They go to the swamp and they have what I call the wondering what went wrong face from the crowd love that in sports but but no the quarterback play it. We're gonna see probably different teams when some of these guys come into their own and start doing some of the things that we think that they're capable of and but then they're the question marks like the K club nicks of the world to where it's one thing not to be able to carry your team when you don't have a running game and your wide receiver room which is very talented. It's still kind of figuring some things out. It's one thing not to be able to carry your team against LSU that can match you athletically. It's another thing not to be able to carry your team against Troy. So I mean of all the Ballyhoo QBs, which one of them has knocked our socks off? Lenora Sellers looked pretty good in spots against Virginia Tech, but he didn't take the game over.

Joel Anderson (48:23)

Right.

Van Lathan (48:23)

K club that hasn't taken the game over any of these guys. Yeah, we haven't lagway all these guys for this ballyhoo quarterback class. Arch Manning, all of these guys who are supposed to be. Supposed to be a phenomenal transcendent quarterback class. None of these guys have taken any of these games over. None of them look dominant to me right now.

Tate Frazier (48:41)

I do want to flip the coin right now we have the Coach prime versus Coach Belichick. We'll see how long we want to keep this segment going. But you mentioned quarterback play. Coach prime made a quarterback decision right today. I mean it ended up where you know Salter did he get bench or did they were just up and they sat him like what. Where are we right now? Just, you know, let's just talk Coach prime and if we want to we can talk belichick who's up 100 right now over Charlotte. But first we'll start with quarterback playing Coach Prime. Van, what are your thoughts on what you saw?

Van Lathan (49:11)

You know, I want to hear from Joel.

Joel Anderson (49:15)

Go ahead. Well no, no, no. My thought was that Kate, we know that he's kind of struggled a little bit. I mean he made some late game errors against Georgia Tech and didn't look well. And Jul Julian Lewis is a quarterback that everybody wanted. Like this is one of those, you know how like the year. So prime got Travis Hunter, he got Kane McClain. The following year he got the, the Seaton kid Jordan, the, the, the offensive tackle. So every class he gets the bally. He gets at least one ballyhooed five star or near five star recruit and Juju Lewis is that kid out of Georgia. And so it makes sense that he was going to play because this is Delaware. Like, Colorado should not be struggling with Delaware. But I am a little surprised because, I mean, a lot of people might argue that Kaden Salter was, you know, top six, seven quarterback in the portal. You know, he led Liberty to. I think Liberty may have went undefeated in the regular season and lost the ball.

Van Lathan (50:10)

I think they went to.

Joel Anderson (50:11)

Yeah.

Tate Frazier (50:11)

Two years ago. Yeah.

Joel Anderson (50:12)

Right, right. So, I mean, you know, Cadence Alter is somebody that a lot of people wanted. But yeah, when we saw him play against Georgia Tech, we were like, oh, that's how bad Conference USA is, dog, I guess, you know, and so. And so. Yeah, so he wasn't exactly what we thought. And Juke, if you got a quarterback like Juju Lewis and the reality is with Nil and the transfer portal, you got to start playing those guys. You really can't unless you have an arch Manning and he comes in there with the expectation, doesn't mind red shirting or whatever. You got to find out what you got already. And so, yeah, if Kaden Salter can't be clearly the best quarterback, then it was inevitable that Juju Lewis is going to get out there.

Tate Frazier (50:49)

Well, can I read a headline to you guys that I just coach? Prime headline. Here it is. And this is quotes. So this is not me saying this.

Van Lathan (50:57)

This.

Tate Frazier (50:57)

This is a headline. Colorado Buffaloes football coach Deion Sanders strongly hinted at naming quote. Martin Luther Stob. Starting quarterback Ryan Stob, who is the background for.

Van Lathan (51:08)

Oh, he looked by far the best. Martin Luther St. Is crazy, though.

Tate Frazier (51:14)

Really. I just saw.

Joel Anderson (51:18)

157 and two touchdowns.

Van Lathan (51:20)

No, hold on. But the team looked totally different when he was totally different. They looked more vertical.

Tate Frazier (51:27)

Headline.

Van Lathan (51:27)

They. They seemed like they knew what they wanted to do. He was the ball, came out on time. I don't know how far he can take them if he's going to be able to hold off some of the other talent. If you play teams with like, you know, defenses with different weaknesses, but they looked night and day better. They almost. I almost thought that they might be on upset alert with the way the offense was making just enough mistakes and being just anemic enough to kind of keep Delaware believing. But they looked much, much better when he was in the game. It seems clear that as far as as that team goes, that he's their best option at quarterback to me and.

Tate Frazier (52:06)

To give people context on the nickname. So after the game, during the interview, he said that he had a dream about this performance. The Quarterback Ryan Staub. And then Dion followed that up and said that his new nickname is Martin Luther.

Joel Anderson (52:19)

Stop.

Van Lathan (52:19)

So, okay, give him that nickname.

Tate Frazier (52:22)

That's what I was saying. I was like, this is not me giving him the nickname. This is. This is a headline.

Joel Anderson (52:27)

Do y' all know where Stevenson Ranch, California is from? Y' all know where that is? That's what Ryan Staub is from.

Van Lathan (52:34)

But, you know, but if he, if he, if he really is like Martin Luther King, he gonna have a hell of a night tonight after the game, you know what I'm saying? He'll have a lot of fun up in Boulder, you know, because Dr. King likes to have a good time, too. Man, they get mad every time I say that. It's just facts.

Tate Frazier (52:48)

Look, so don't call Coretta.

Van Lathan (52:51)

Okay, look at that again.

Joel Anderson (52:52)

Look at him do it again.

Van Lathan (52:58)

Okay, so just for a couple of updates, Troy Clemson is not pulling away from Troy, which as an LSU fan I love. As an LSU fan I love. Clemson is now pulling away from Troy. It looks like they're going to be able to. To. To hold troy off. It's 27 to 16. They're kicking off to them. Nine minutes left in the fourth.

Joel Anderson (53:15)

Okay?

Van Lathan (53:17)

So, I mean, if they get the ball, if they stop them here, get the ball, score again, it's not going to look like they had as much trouble with them as they did. Maybe they found something out about themselves. Like maybe they went through some of the, the, the. The. The pitfalls and the adversity that you need to find out something about your team club Nick, look good on this throw to West Co out there. By the way, I should say something about West Co. I went to Louisiana Tech for a time and Bryant west coast father was a high jumper at Louisiana Tech. We just called him West Co. Because this. I'll almost use the N word. This guy come into the gym and play wreck ball with us and do nothing but catch lobs all day long and dunk on people. It was nuts. He's the highest jumper I had ever seen before in my life. So when I saw that there was a Bryant west coast junior in Texas. Texas, I got. I was like, that gotta be west coast, son. So that's how old I am that his daddy play. His daddy was at Tech at the same time that I was there. Could he hoop?

Joel Anderson (54:19)

Could he hoop or could he just jump?

Tate Frazier (54:22)

You ever voice went higher, sounds like he might have just been jumping.

Van Lathan (54:27)

Could he hoop or could he just dunk? I'm gonna say that he could hoop okay. He wasn't without. It wasn't like he couldn't hoop.

Joel Anderson (54:37)

Okay.

Van Lathan (54:38)

He wasn't like he couldn't like really shoot it or nothing like that. But he was not the type of guy that you was just gonna leave wide open or he didn't know how to do nothing on the basketball court. And he was just a freak athlete. He was a good basketball player. He was a good basketball player, especially playing against mere mortals. Then, you know, the look like Vince Carter out there.

Tate Frazier (54:59)

Different Harold Minor.

Van Lathan (55:01)

But also. Seconds left here. It looks like South Florida is about to be kicking for the game.

Tate Frazier (55:07)

Yeah, grammatica coming up. Second and goal. 18 seconds left. Alex Golish, by the way, head coach for usf. Obviously a disciple of kind of the Tennessee regime that's there right now with Josh Hyple. So this is a big moment for him. Big one potential.

Joel Anderson (55:22)

Would you. Would you, Would you. So you think if Florida and Billy Napier lose this game, you think Napier's getting fired this year?

Tate Frazier (55:30)

I don't.

Van Lathan (55:31)

I don't think he's getting fired. I do think that the fan base, it'll be right back to square one with him in the fan base, it'll.

Tate Frazier (55:41)

Be the same as last year. Right. What we saw after they lost to Miami last year, the same sort of victory.

Van Lathan (55:47)

I'm so sick that I go watch all of the message board stuff from every other team game. So I'm watching Locked on Gators, your daily source for Florida Gators football. I'm watching the biggest guys that, that just had, like, have a setup in there in their living rooms. And some of these guys are really good and they cover the sport. The Florida State, the Florida fans believed this year they believed in Lagway. They believed in Napier. They believed. They believed in, in what they had on defense at the skill positions. They were looking for a lot of these young guys to make some contributions. I, I think if they lose this game, that it, It's, It's. They're going to freak the fuck out. Well, it's over.

Joel Anderson (56:32)

It's over. I mean, if, if you lose that game, you can't hold out any hope about what the rest of the season is going to bring. Right? Like, I mean, they still may get better. They still jump up and surprise Texas or Georgia, Florida State. But if you lose this game, you know that. Okay. Like, it's not a playoff year. Like, we're not playing ourselves in the playoff contender.

Tate Frazier (56:50)

I guess the spin zone would be if USF is the G5 team that gets into the playoff and that is your 1G5 outside of the SEC loss. And if you look at the schedule for Florida at lsu, at Miami, they have Texas coming to the Swamp. They're at Texas A and M. You know, I mean, those games are all coming up on the schedule right now. So I guess if they were to go four and oh, in those games, you're still in it. But yeah, I mean, the dream is.

Joel Anderson (57:15)

They'Re not going four. No, Doug, they're not that good.

Van Lathan (57:17)

Here we go. This is like a 15 yard field goal.

Tate Frazier (57:19)

Yeah, Nico Grammatica here, What's his name?

Joel Anderson (57:23)

What is it? How you say?

Van Lathan (57:25)

He hit it? It's over. Okay, so we gotta talk about this now. They lost Florida.

Joel Anderson (57:30)

It's over. Oh, man, your feet is ahead of mine, man. Damn.

Van Lathan (57:33)

Yeah, bro.

Joel Anderson (57:34)

18 to 16 off South Fowler Avenue. I see what's up, man, you know what I'm saying? Hip hop, chicken and fish.

Van Lathan (57:44)

This is one of my favorite things.

Joel Anderson (57:45)

Hold on, hold on.

Van Lathan (57:46)

This is one of my favorite things. I love when there is a major upset and the, the coach that's responsible for the upset runs out to the middle of the field like ain't happened.

Joel Anderson (57:58)

Yeah, right. Yeah.

Van Lathan (57:59)

Now when the. Sometimes there's a major upset and the coach gets the, the perma smile.

Tate Frazier (58:03)

Yeah, right.

Van Lathan (58:04)

Gatorade around to his group. Yeah. But sometimes there's an upset, a real upset and the coach just runs out like, I gotta, I gotta. And he goes out there like. Like nothing just happened. I gotta say, Nick Saban wouldn't get excited. I'm not gonna get excited either. They just be Florida in the swamp off Mark Teen Gramatica's great grandson kicking a field goal and this guy runs out to the middle of the field like nothing happened. Look at Billy Napier.

Joel Anderson (58:30)

I mean, bro, yeah, you. You gotta jump around. Get. Come on, man. This is so what usf, what Alex Golis is pulling off here is the dream of everybody that has ever had that program. You know, so people remember if you're a college football fan, Skip Holtz. Yeah, Skip Holtz. Well, for. For a brief moment in 2007, USF was the number two team in the country. So they had their moment. There's almost a generation ago. And everybody thought, oh yeah, USF is a big university. I think it's got, you know, well over 30, 000 students, maybe even more. There's a bunch of talent in that area. I've lived in a lot of places and I care about high school football unlike a lot of people. And so I would go out and watch these games, bro. There's no, there's not an area that cares about high school football more than Tampa, Florida. In this country, there may be areas of more talent. There may be areas that fill out their stadiums more. But in terms, but in terms of the kids, in terms of the culture and the kids that are involved in it, I'm telling you, man.

Van Lathan (59:32)

You'Re from Texas, bro.

Joel Anderson (59:38)

But the, the thing about the kids in Texas is that a lot for a lot of them, they understand that high school is it for them. It's just like, all right, I'm part of a program, a team. But in Tampa, for a lot of kids, you could see the football, like, really meant like, okay, this might be my ticket to another, you know, whatever. Like, it just the, the desperation was different. Like, for me, I believe all the way real.

Van Lathan (59:59)

I can't think of a take that I haven't with as much as this take. I'm not with this take, Joe. I'm not giving. I'm telling you, man.

Tate Frazier (60:10)

Joey should have just skeeted that one.

Van Lathan (60:12)

You shouldn't have told me that's a ski. That's not for the show. That's a skeet, bro. Skeet that to blue sky. I'm not buying that they care more about high school football. Shout out to Tampa, by the way. Yeah, I love.

Joel Anderson (60:25)

I'm telling you, stand up. Tampa. Tampa, man. Stand up. But what the point is, is that anybody that has ever been in charge of the USF job or wanted it thought, this is the, this is the dream of all those people, Willie tagging and all them. It's just like, you get all that talent, you can take advantage of the resources there. The, the passion in that area is just, you know, they've always thought it could happen there. And like, I don't know if this is what that year is going to be for them, but I. They've got to be in the lead for the group of five, you know, spot right now. And I mean, maybe even more. I mean, I just. I mean, that is an impressive ass win. If Florida is who we think that.

Tate Frazier (61:02)

They were, regardless on the schedule, it's always going to say you beat a team that's in the top 10. So, you know what I mean? Like, when they're putting the resumes together, you beat a top 25 team last week in Boise State, and you beat a top 10 team week on the road in the swamp this week. So, I mean, USF's got a good resume.

Van Lathan (61:18)

Can I say something here? Just checking in on this, it's 623 left in the first quarter and LSU has not scored on Louisiana Tech.

Tate Frazier (61:25)

Regional rivalries.

Joel Anderson (61:26)

Regional. Roger, man, that regionalism, man.

Van Lathan (61:29)

LSU has not. It's. It's. LSU hasn't scored on Louisiana Tech. Once again, you guys, if the Clemson game turns out to be a. Not a great barometer of LSU's talent, then there's a chance that.

Joel Anderson (61:47)

We.

Van Lathan (61:47)

Whack.

Tate Frazier (61:50)

Do you, do we go back and apologize to Dabo because he said it was a 65 versus 58, right. And everyone kind of killed him, including Brian Kelly. But maybe he was telling the truth.

Van Lathan (61:59)

Maybe so. I mean, you would have thought though that with the majority of the quarter over in a game where LSU is favored by 37 points that we'd have a couple of touchdowns.

Joel Anderson (62:12)

Hey man, maybe Sonny Cumby finally got it turned around over there at Louisiana Tech, you know, maybe, maybe Louisiana Tech is good this year.

Van Lathan (62:18)

LSU right now has 22 pass yards. 22 yards passing against Louisiana Tech.

Joel Anderson (62:24)

Hey man, that's what I'm saying. Maybe this is their year, man. Louisiana Tech might be, might be better than we think, you know, or maybe.

Van Lathan (62:30)

This is, you know, year of suck.

Joel Anderson (62:33)

It could be.

Van Lathan (62:34)

Or football.

Tate Frazier (62:35)

Does everyone suck? Yeah, that's a good question.

Joel Anderson (62:37)

Also, these are 18 to 22 year olds who had a huge week last week, right? And they've heard, oh man, we're great. Like LSU is back, Miami is back, whatever, whatever. And they have to go out there and they have to do it again. And sometimes you just not as sharp. I mean, would you, would you. If, I mean, being a college coach seems great because you get a lot of money that people revere you. But if, if I just said, hey man, so much of your job is going to depend on the consistency of 18 to 22 year old men. You'd be like, man, that's kind of up, bro. And so like I think, yeah, I just kind of feel like after a week like last week, it's not a surprise that some of these teams are having let downs, having times getting back up, you know, to play. To play. I mean, you know, going into Death Valley and Clemson and all that, now you go back home, now you're at home, but it's Louisiana Tech and the coaches can tell you, hey man, you better get. You'll be on your. But they know, you know, they know what, what they're facing. They know the reality of the situation and sometimes it's just hard to, to get right. But also, y' all might suck. You know what I'm saying, and I.

Van Lathan (63:40)

Hope I said before the season, as by the way, Oklahoma has scored, they're up 7 on Michigan, can't wait till they get to these games. But I said before the season that the LSU Louisiana Tech game would be the most important game in LSU season. And the reason why I thought that was because I figured that we would lose to Clemson. And so being that we would lose the Clemson game, it would be a physical game, we would lose the game. Unless mine's a little high, he's all over the place right now. We would lose the Clemson game. We would be in a situation to have a get right game. Not just from the standpoint of the schematics, but we'd be figuring out a lot about our team in this game. We'd be figuring out offensive line rotation, we'd be opening up the playbook, we'd be doing a lot of things reacting to the Clemson game after we beat them. I just thought that we would come in and take the handcuffs off of the offense completely and win the game 70 to nothing. I really thought that LSU would come out here and dominate. And what I'm looking at right now, nuss, is a little bit off. And what I'm seeing is just, just on this drive is that it does not seem like LSU's offense has found itself quite yet.

Joel Anderson (64:59)

Maybe they just trying some, man, you know what I'm saying? They know that. They, they, this is practice, you know, that is like ah, we could just, you know, I mean you're not throwing.

Tate Frazier (65:08)

That's a dangerous game against some of these teams, you know what I mean? Like, especially with the teams that are hungry like a Troy today. Even if Clemson was trying to work on some stuff, let's clean some things up. All of a sudden you get hit in the mouth and you're like, wait a second, we got to play and.

Joel Anderson (65:20)

You'Re on your heels. I just wonder if they, if they tried the vanilla, the vanilla game plan. But maybe you would probably try that later like after you got up 14 or nothing. Yeah, like that.

Tate Frazier (65:28)

Don't put something on tape, you know, and let people know what's going on. Like you said Van, we got the 1 ranked game of the day, top 25 matchup, college game days there. Michigan, Oklahoma. That's happening right now. Two quarterbacks going back and forth at Oklahoma. John Matier, they score on the first drive. Some quick hitters. I wanted to throw and lay up to you guys and get some reactions. Fran Brown, head coach of Syracuse. They go to overtime they win their game. They were down big with about five minutes to play. Syracuse finds a way to win. After the game, he has the whole team running sprints. Joel, you're already shaking your head. What were your.

Joel Anderson (66:00)

What was your reaction when you said, oh, I always. I just don't like that kind of man showing up. Kids at first, those kids, they played into overtime already. I know. They're exhausted, right? Oh, yeah, Like Fran Brown. I mean, so if you made bad calls and like that, if you put your players in bad position, did you. What kind of win spins did you run, bro? You know what I'm saying? I like. See, that's. It's the. The funny thing about that is that coaches always talk about team, team, team, team. We don't. We win together, we lose together. We done lost. Oh, the players up. They played so bad. I gotta run them in front of everybody right after the game. That just. I don't know. I don't. I just. Again, he knows this team. Fran Brown had a good year last year. They won the game, whatever. But, like, sometimes you can just be like, hey, we wanted. We pulled it out. UConn was better than we thought. Maybe it was sloppy, but we won. And we'll tighten some up next week. We don't have to try to embarrass the kids in front of everybody.

Tate Frazier (66:53)

They were down 176 with 548 to play in the game. I mean, it was a pretty impressive comeback, to say the least. So you would think maybe there would be some. Some celebrations. But Fran Brown said, you got to go sprint. And I will point out there weren't many sprints happening. Van did not see many guys.

Van Lathan (67:08)

Yeah, I remember. I remember Back nuts already threw a pick.

Joel Anderson (67:14)

Damn.

Van Lathan (67:15)

Not. Not on this drive, but in the game, man. This is the type of. That I'm talking about, bro. This is the reason why I don't watch the. This is the reason why I watch. I love watching everybody else. And watching LSU is like nails over trying to look. And there's a penalty. Now. Now my whole move about to come down, but look this. I remember my. I love Kobe, right? Fix the graphic before you say I'm fixing the graphic.

Joel Anderson (67:45)

I love.

Van Lathan (67:46)

But there was one time that I kind of was like, what you doing, Kobe? The. You talking about? Well, two times, okay. The other time was, I think, after he had had a bad shooting game. And then they were like, Kobe stayed in the gym after the game. Okay, here we go. Oh, we rocking and rolling. Oh, we going to the house. Stay with it.

Joel Anderson (68:11)

Okay.

Van Lathan (68:11)

Okay, okay, okay. Thomas just ripped off one. Okay. That's what we doing. All right. And. And Kobe stayed up shooting jumpers all night long in the gym after that, it's like, Kobe, it's like, come on, man. Hey, go get your treatment. Put the ice on your limbs. Get your treatment. Go out and do the thing and let's come back and do the next game. Let's not do the. Let's not tell the storybook of. I'm working out all day at the gym because I had a bad shooting game. Get in the bus and go back to the hotel and go to sleep. So. So we could come. You'd be better tomorrow, man. It's just. I don't like that type of. Type of performative in sports.

Joel Anderson (68:51)

Exactly. Presumably Kobe, he did have a helicopter on call. Presumably he has a gym at his house. You know, he could have done his work out there. Right. I just. Yeah. Whenever you got to do your workout for the cameras when everybody's there, like, let me go out and get some shots up after the game. I played so poorly. I didn't. Whatever. It's like, okay, bro. You could do your push ups on your own time now.

Tate Frazier (69:11)

That's a trend. Like in college basketball, you see it all the time. Guy misses a big shot or big free throw late in the game, and then you get the shot from the beat reporter that's like, he's been in the gym shooting free throws for the past hour after the game. And it's like, yeah, they only do.

Van Lathan (69:24)

That so we don't get on their ass. Because here's the thing. We gotta go to work, right? So, so, so, so we. We not go, oh, this is crazy, man.

Tate Frazier (69:39)

I need some of. I need some of these van reactions.

Joel Anderson (69:42)

Do I need to. Do I need to put that in my multi view?

Van Lathan (69:45)

This guy nuts is spraying balls all over the field, man. We not spraying balls. Draft, bro. Yeah, spraying balls. Exactly what that's what it feels like. Look.

Tate Frazier (69:54)

Goes back to the quarterback play.

Van Lathan (69:55)

Look, look. That's. That guy's open. That's a touchdown. And he just. He threw it high. Something's going on right now. I have no clue. Whatever.

Tate Frazier (70:03)

They were talking about K club, Nick's happy feet earlier. That's another trend. A lot of Arch Manning's happy feet. A lot of undisputed disciplined footwork from the QBs this year.

Van Lathan (70:12)

I'm watching him right now on that route. Throw that ball from your senior, from your qb. That's been there for a while.

Joel Anderson (70:19)

Look.

Van Lathan (70:19)

Look at that. Okay. Touchdown Pass. Thank you.

Tate Frazier (70:25)

Just missed the pass.

Van Lathan (70:26)

Yeah, you. You would. You would expect Nuss to be able to make some of these throws. And he's spraying all over the field. Oh, it's coming back personal. Oh, no, no, no. Never mind. It's on them.

Joel Anderson (70:35)

He threw 12 picks last year. I mean, he. That. That was one of the things, like, he. He will kind of give it away. It. Right. Like that's his.

Van Lathan (70:41)

He'll definitely give it away because he takes a lot of chances. But the. The. The. The thing there is that what you're. As he's operating the offense, you're watching for his ability to make the right decision and not turn the ball over. You know, Jaden Daniels, the first year that he was on LSU's team, he would not throw the ball. We didn't run anything to the middle of the field, really. We didn't layer throws with. With. With. With Jaden Daniels. Right? Jayden Daniels didn't throw to the corners of the. He just. There were throws that they would not have him make. And so he ran a lot, took a lot. But in that second year, what you saw from him, the development of him as a quarterback, he made every throw. He made anticipatory reads. He took check downs. He made every throw. He threw balls to the corner of the end zone. Well, only his guys could get him. And you want to see that same type of. Type of development from. From. From Nuss. And at least up to now, we haven't really seen it. Even though he just threw a touchdown pass to Nick Anderson right here.

Joel Anderson (71:43)

Okay.

Tate Frazier (71:44)

Speaking of things we've never seen, I have never seen this. Northwestern State formally surrendered to Minnesota today. This was about. With five minutes to play in the fourth quarter, Minnesota was up 66 0. They had ran out of fireworks for their touchdowns. And Northwestern states surrendered. That was the term that they used. They surrendered. Joel, did you know that you could surrender?

Joel Anderson (72:05)

I didn't know, man.

Tate Frazier (72:06)

And has there ever been a game that you wish you could? Because for me, I would have surrendered to TCU last month.

Joel Anderson (72:12)

Wait, so, okay, so, so, so we mean, they said.

Van Lathan (72:14)

They.

Joel Anderson (72:15)

They just said, let's go home. They were like, all right, we got no more video, man. That is pathetic, man. Nakatish. Y' all better than that, man. That. That. That's real.

Tate Frazier (72:25)

I had never seen that. Yeah, I've seen a surrender.

Joel Anderson (72:28)

That's coach. That's Coach O Alma Mater right there. There. You know, when I was in high school, my senior year, we were the top ranked private school in the state. Against a school called Dallas Bishop Lynch. And I never. I'm not personal to be like, man, I got this going on. Come. But, you know, my family came, man. This was gonna be a big game. Everybody showed up, and, man, we were down 35 to nothing at the end of the first half. And I just remember being in the locker room being like, damn, bro. Like, I don't really wanna, you know, being down 35, I don't even want to be here.

Van Lathan (73:00)

Yeah.

Joel Anderson (73:01)

Like, there's no chance of coming back. Like, the game is over. I was like, man, I wish we could go home, bro. We ended up losing, like, 46 to 7 or something like that.

Van Lathan (73:08)

Okay.

Joel Anderson (73:09)

Yeah. So we put up. I didn't. That way, I didn't score that touchdown. But they basically won. The second tight end in Miami, he went on to play tight end in Miami and a running back who, like, with the smu, they were pretty good, but that was. That's pretty embarrassing. So. Yeah, I bet those kids, man, they.

Van Lathan (73:23)

Probably just like, man, we got to prove we can't. If. If you.

Joel Anderson (73:27)

That's what Nakati said, man.

Van Lathan (73:29)

I can't surrender. I've been in the middle of Bad pods. Think about. Think about a time that I've. I've been in the middle of the Watchables. I'm looking around. I'm looking at Bill. I'm looking at cr. I'm like, I'm up right now.

Joel Anderson (73:41)

You know?

Van Lathan (73:42)

Like, I've said something too long. I've lost my train of thought. And sometimes you'll watch me, I'll just say, yeah, at the end of something, I lost my train of thought. Like, I'm up right now. Like, I'm up. I'm. I'm messing up the show. Do I just get up and walk out of the studio?

Joel Anderson (73:57)

That's true.

Van Lathan (73:58)

In the middle of talking about American gangster or 8 millimeter or anything like that. Do I just leave Higher Learning after I've said I cried? On one of the Higher learning podcasts, I cried. The dude, Jason Wilson, was there. He got to talking about my dad, and I cried.

Joel Anderson (74:11)

Oh, yeah, I remember that. Okay.

Van Lathan (74:12)

Remember that clip? And then. So after I cried on the show, there's a moment right after I'm crying where I'm like, man, I just cried on the podcast. I'm a straight. Did I just get up and leave?

Joel Anderson (74:25)

No, I didn't leave.

Tate Frazier (74:27)

Yeah, you're not Northwestern State.

Van Lathan (74:28)

The podcast, I don't surrender. After I up. I stay there. I stay there. Don't stay there and take Your lick and get back on top of your man.

Tate Frazier (74:37)

Shout out to Mike Gundy. He didn't wave the white flag.

Van Lathan (74:40)

He didn't wave the white flag. I don't believe in that surrendering.

Joel Anderson (74:42)

I mean, my thing is, I just, like. I'm just. I've seen so many teams get their ass beat. I didn't even know it was an option. Like, you know, I mean, like, I'm just like, teams lose 77 to nothing and stuff like that. I think, like, Long Island, Brooklyn lost something like that recently. I'm like, why? Well, if you could. If. If it can be done, why haven't y' all done it before? I just didn't real. I mean, you know. Yeah, but to advance point, that's a tough lesson to tell because the whole thing about football is like, man, you know, you're never supposed to give up. You know, don't ever roll over or whatever. And then it's like, your coach was like, I gotta throw a. I gotta. I gotta throw in the towel. Like, you know what I'm saying? I've never heard of that before. So Mississippi State.

Tate Frazier (75:20)

Oh, we. We lost you, Van. We lost you.

Joel Anderson (75:22)

Mike went red. Your mic went red.

Van Lathan (75:25)

Mississippi State right now is up 7 to nothing on Arizona. On Arizona State. Just let you guys know, these games are wacky today. I'm telling you guys, there's never a bad day in college football. These games are wacky today.

Joel Anderson (75:37)

Yeah, man.

Tate Frazier (75:38)

Yeah. Speaking of wacky, one other wacky thing and thing I'd never seen before, other than video games. I want to get your thoughts on jmu. They score first against Louisville. That was a fun game on Friday night, but they were putting in two quarterbacks at the same time. Barnett and Matthew Sluka. They were basically lined up next to each other. Now, I had a friend in college that would do this, and he would run like a halfback, you know, pass, basically. But he put in the backup quarterback at running back, and it was like a cheat code, you know, smart to do. Never seen it in real life, but JMU was doing that on Friday. Is this a trend? Or is. Is this something that we may never see again? What do you think, fan?

Van Lathan (76:14)

I wasn't paying attention. I was. I was looking at this.

Tate Frazier (76:19)

Did you. Did you just Northwestern State?

Van Lathan (76:20)

Me, I was just Northwestern.

Joel Anderson (76:23)

I just.

Van Lathan (76:23)

I was looking at the LSU stats, and I thought you were going to go to Joel. So I'll base my answer based upon what Joel says LSU is. My entire demeanor has changed because LSU is bumming me out. So Joel Answered Tate's question.

Joel Anderson (76:40)

Come on, man.

Van Lathan (76:42)

What? He asked from the question. See, but see, I didn't. But see, I didn't just cut my computer off like Northwestern State did.

Joel Anderson (76:50)

I fucked up. Yep.

Tate Frazier (76:51)

And turned your mic off.

Joel Anderson (76:52)

You admitted. You know. So Sluka, for people that don't remember, by the way, that's the kid that left UNLV last year.

Van Lathan (77:01)

Yeah.

Joel Anderson (77:04)

Yeah. So he got reunited. I think his coach came from Holy Cross and went down to jmu and so like they've, they've linked up down there. And I was wondering, because I was looking at the box score and it was like, oh, they say both quarterbacks play and Seluka had like 21 carries. It was like 21 carries for like 83 yards. I was like, God damn, was he a running back now? So if you have a quarterback that could do it, it kind of makes a lot of sense. Like, why wouldn't you? You know what I mean? Like, it just. It. It does. I don't. Obviously defenses will catch on to that eventually. Like just like they did the Wildcat and any other sort of inversion. But it is kind of a cool thing to think about. It's like, okay, if I have two quarterbacks out here and one of them that is as good of a running back is maybe my third best running back. Yeah. Why wouldn't you try that every now and again? Just to people up, you know?

Tate Frazier (77:48)

Yeah, we had to ban that. There was people that would start games. They'd put in the third string quarterback at punter and then they'd put in the quarter secondary quarterback as the running back and then that's how they would start the games. Right. So we had to ban that. Like when you would start playing NCAA football because it was such a cheat code. And we saw it already this season. Right. USF against Boise State. They put in the third string quarterback and get a first down unbeknownst to Boise State. And then we just saw two quarterbacks in the backfield. So it feels like the gaming is coming to the real world. So something you surrendered on Van.

Joel Anderson (78:16)

You supposed to go back to Van, but.

Van Lathan (78:17)

Oh yeah, we surrendered.

Joel Anderson (78:21)

Question.

Van Lathan (78:21)

And I could still, still not tell what the question is. You know, I'm. I'm not going to be a very good podcaster while LSU is on. Especially while LSU is on and getting blown off the line. Can't tell you something. You know, it's. I just want to explain something to people real quick. You guys don't understand the LSU thing. I'm sure you do, but Maybe you don't like my mother. Big deal. At lsu when she was like, I'm walking around the campus some of the best times of my life. My dad, our construction company, we built the gift shop at lsu. Like we really. Yeah, like the whole thing. Like we poured the cement and did all of the foundations and all that stuff like that. Like this is. There were no pro sports in Baton Rouge. You lived and died by this. And watching, watching these out here right now, get over. It's just difficult to do that and be in on the Sluka conversation at the same time. But I'm doing it though, okay? I'm doing it. I'm here. Yeah, it's tough. Like LSU for a long time, bro. You know, lsu, like I've gotten in trouble. This is my. This is Baton Rouge's right here. This is Baton Rouge, his lsu.

Joel Anderson (79:44)

So who's your favorite? I'm gonna name. So if I had. Start, bench, cut, Dominic Davis, lebrandon Tofield. Oh, Justin Vincent.

Van Lathan (79:55)

Okay. Star, bench, cut. I'm starting lebrandon Tofield, I'm benching.

Tate Frazier (80:02)

Right.

Van Lathan (80:03)

Justin Vincent and I'm cutting Dominique Davis.

Joel Anderson (80:07)

Dominic Davis was a thousand yard rusher in the NFL. Man.

Van Lathan (80:09)

He was a dog. He's a dog. But I mean, I'm glad you didn't.

Tate Frazier (80:12)

That's how you know you got a good program though.

Van Lathan (80:14)

You know, you could have asked me about other Tigers. You could have asked me about like Cecil Collins and guys like that. And then that's going to get a little bit crazier.

Joel Anderson (80:21)

Keela was the second string, Cecil was the third string. Who was the starter on that team?

Van Lathan (80:26)

Which team?

Joel Anderson (80:28)

So the team that Cecil Collins was the third stringer on.

Van Lathan (80:31)

Because that's way before Keelan Williams though.

Joel Anderson (80:33)

Oh, is it really? Okay, so, so but Cecil was.

Van Lathan (80:37)

Maybe, maybe it was. No, no, that's. That's definitely before. That's definitely before Keelan Williams.

Tate Frazier (80:43)

That's like a Mandela effect, you know what I mean?

Van Lathan (80:45)

Because there was. Ali Broussard was going crazy. Cecil Collins. Actually, Cecil Collins might have been there with. No, that might have been like. So if Keelan is 2000, like 7. 2004, 6. 2007.

Tate Frazier (81:04)

Shout out to Kyle, our producer, by the way, Kyle Crichton, who, if you didn't know, he is our producer. He said we're officially off the rails now.

Van Lathan (81:10)

I'm sorry.

Joel Anderson (81:11)

Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. We lost. We've lost the plot, man. You know, I thought Cecil Collins was dead, man. But he. It turns out I think he's just in Prison? Oh, no. He was released in 2013.

Van Lathan (81:21)

He got out. First of all, don't. Don't play with us like that. He got it.

Joel Anderson (81:25)

I hope he's okay, man. Well, you know, I was thinking of Lawrence Phillips. That's who I was thinking of.

Tate Frazier (81:28)

There you go. There you go. Hey, Bryce Underwood, by the way, with the ball. Michigan with the ball. So if you're watching this game live, it's a fun game. 70 right now, Oklahoma. I had to ask, and I want to, you know, kind of point out this quote to you guys before we got it here. Last thing, Nick Saban. This happened on Friday. He was on the Pat McAfee Show. He was talking about the Big Ten having an advantage over the SEC. Now, he said kids grew up wanting to go to lsu, Alabama, Georgia. They got the money now. They don't mind going to Ohio State. They don't mind going to other places. So the geographical advantage that the Southeastern Southeastern Conference Conference may. May have had maybe changing a bit now with the different culture, with nil money involved in decision making, I think that's created a bit of an edge for the Big Ten. Joel, I'll go to you first because Van's watching the game.

Van Lathan (82:13)

I heard that one, though.

Joel Anderson (82:16)

You go. No, I want Van to go first. Then I'm gonna be.

Tate Frazier (82:20)

Do you agree with Nick Saban?

Van Lathan (82:22)

This is what I don't want for Nick Saban. What I don't want Nick Saban to become is the thing that I hate more than anything. Boy, do I hate an old ass hater. Yeah, old ass hater. I hate somebody that was talking about that's going on podcast now and talking about how many records they should have sold in 1995, how Leora Cohen didn't let them do whatever. That's not. I'm not talking about anybody in particular, but I'm just saying.

Joel Anderson (82:50)

Are you talking about graph?

Van Lathan (82:51)

No, I hate a whole ass hater, man. I hate somebody that leaves a situation and then from wherever they're at, like sits and throws, shade and on whatever people are doing now. That's not what Nick Saban's supposed to be doing. Nick Saban left college football and he's having a great post college football career. Nick Saban is supposed to be the biggest ambassador for college football that there.

Tate Frazier (83:18)

Is as a whole, by the way. Not just by the conference, you know.

Van Lathan (83:21)

Not just by the conference. Not just for the sec, not just for Alabama, not just for lsu, not just for places that he went to, coached and all of that stuff. He's supposed to be a big ambassador for. For it. And if you're going to make criticisms about college football, those criticisms need to be holistic. They don't need to be pointed at one particular conference. Right. They don't need to be pointed at one particular region. They don't need to be pointed in that way. So when I saw him say that, it disappointed me. And I could see why the people in Ann Arbor or Columbus or wherever they are get pissed off about that. Because here's the deal. There was an old model of college football, and in that old model of college football, the SEC, since a time immemorial, really around the mid-90s to early 2000s, had unquestioned dominance. Unquestioned dominance. Other teams got theirs every now and again. But the SEC had two or three different teams that were really able to put their stamp on college football. That has changed. It's not going back. It doesn't matter who you blame or what you blame or what the reason is. It's not going back. The parody is here to stay. And whoever has the most money and whoever has the strongest program is going to be the teams that can sustain their dominance in college football going forward. There's no need to complain about it. Nick didn't want to be a part of it. He didn't want to coach in it. So he should shut the up about it.

Tate Frazier (84:52)

Let him know, Dan Lanning said it. You got to spin to win, Joel.

Joel Anderson (84:56)

Yeah, man. I mean, when I was a kid in the super bowl, every year the NFC won, they ran off like 13 to 14 straight Super bowl wins. Like, you know, I mean, like this. So it was like San Francisco, Dallas, Green Bay, they were all part of this. This run of super bowl wins. And then the AFC came back like, like, you know, Denver Broncos won, like, two in a row or whatever. The shout out, Terrell Davis shout out. It was a bright. Was. It wasn't greasy. No, it was airway. It was the last two years of Elway.

Tate Frazier (85:27)

That whole thing late, no way changes whole, like, tenor of his career, right?

Joel Anderson (85:31)

Yeah, right. He gets. He got to end his career with those wins. So that was never going to last. Like, the SEC's reign over college football was never going to last forever. In part because Nick Saban was eventually going to have to retire. And there's going to be cyclical. Like, there's going to be a flushing of coaches. And then when you layer on, as Vance mentioned, everything that has changed from nil to the house settlement to whatever, like, it was inevitable. That People would that some other school was going to invest and get a championship and other areas are going to try to do this or whatever and compete. So it's just I. That Nick Saban thinks that it's just, you know, money is part of the advantage. Yeah, I'm sure that money has changed some things on the ground, but also the SEC was never going to be able to run off 30 straight national championships. Whatever. I mean it's just funny. I mean Ohio State and Michigan won two championships. I mean they've won the last two championships and all of a sudden that people are saying, oh man, it is up. Fundamentally changed. Yeah, this is not, it's not like Purdue won't. It's not like Indiana won a national championship. It was two schools that probably should be competing to win national championships anyway. It's just really interesting too because to me, like Nick Saban came in at a totally different place. I always say that Nick Saban integrated the sec right. Like the SEC was not like it did. It wasn't recruiting at the level that it is now. Nick Saban really made everybody's had to step up their game once he did it at LSU and then again at Bama.

Van Lathan (87:01)

Integrated it how?

Joel Anderson (87:02)

Well, Well, I mean by which they started recruiting and getting more of their share of the players around them, the black players that grew up in their areas. Because I always say it, it, it in like Texas or whatever, like Vince Young was like a game changing recruit for the University of Texas for instance. They did, they used to not get a guy like that. A guy like that would go to Florida, Florida State, Miami maybe go to A M, but that kid just did not go to Texas. And they started getting more of those guys during that run. And that's what led to them winning a national championship. And I kind of felt like Nick Saban or whatever, like he was able to tap into more of the guys that used to go to like Miami or they would be willing to leave to go to schools that would not close the local flagship or whatever because they just did not, you know, like it took a while for the black folks in those areas to kind of accept those in state flagship schools as one of their own, that they felt more comfortable as a place to go. And so, and I mean, I don't mean it literally obviously, but if you look at the, the recruiting rankings from those years, I charted this out from like 2000, you know, 19, 2000 to whatever. You clearly see the SEC changing. Like all the schools start spending more money, get moving slowly up the recruiting range or whatever. And so like, that's kind of what I thought Nick Saban has done. And so he's just like, things change. Like, somebody else has figured out other models for bringing in kids. And that's just what it is. But it's just like, God damn. Like, the SEC doesn't have to just whine for ever. Like, you'll probably. Georgia or Texas may win this year or maybe Ohio State would win. But again, we're not talking about Michigan State being a. A competitive this year.

Tate Frazier (88:35)

You know, just look at the preseason top 25. I mean, it's all the usual suspects. You know, that's the funniest part about it. It's like everything's changing, the sky's falling, but then it's like, oh, yeah, Texas is at the top. Lsu, Penn State.

Van Lathan (88:49)

I will say that I thought that Joe's take from before was a tape. That I got another one. Okay, Nick Saban being the Martin Luther King Jr. Think about how much Dr. King, we've talked. Nick Saban being the Martin Luther King Jr. Of the SEC. Bruh, no. No black, black players in the SEC before.

Joel Anderson (89:08)

Well, I'm not saying that there wasn't.

Van Lathan (89:10)

He said became the LSU, like 1999, 2000, like, but he started like, if.

Joel Anderson (89:14)

You look at the ratings of those schools in that area, all the SEC schools started recruiting better because of Nick Saban, because he changed the game.

Van Lathan (89:21)

Well, I, I'll tell you what Nick Saban did in Louisiana. What he actually did was he just stopped the players from leaving the state.

Joel Anderson (89:31)

Why were they leaving? Why were they leaving the state?

Van Lathan (89:33)

What do you mean why were they leaving the state? They were leaving.

Joel Anderson (89:35)

Why were they not going to lsu?

Van Lathan (89:37)

Because LSU was down. Lsu. LSU was down because of Curly Hallman. That's why LSU was down. Curly Hallman ran the program. Nick Saban came to lsu. He says to State, this is sleeping giant. All you got to do is recruit the state.

Tate Frazier (89:51)

And by the way, classic lines. Yeah.

Van Lathan (89:53)

Like, it's all you got to do is recruit the state. And then out of Baton Rouge, Marcus Spears, all of these guys and stuff like that. But it's like, you know, Marcus Spears and then Michael Clayton and then all of these guys and getting the guys. But the team was full of bro.

Joel Anderson (90:07)

Yeah, but if you hear like all of these teams.

Tate Frazier (90:13)

You'Re saying the top.

Van Lathan (90:13)

Flight talent, all these teams like Nick Saban integrating the sec. That's a ringer article. I want to see that on that. I gotta check your work, so I can't with that one.

Joel Anderson (90:28)

I gotta find it. I gotta. I gotta find it because I had the numbers. Now I got to bring it to the show on Wednesday. But. But if I've heard Marcus talk about this before, it was like, yo, like, for a generation of black folks, they did not consider LSU the home school. Like, they were just like, I don't fuck with that school. Now, you may not, you know, like Southern.

Van Lathan (90:45)

So, like, yeah, he comes from Southern. Southern also was the. In the. In the. In the same state. So. And Southern was through the roof at this point. We had Pete Richardson at. As the head coach at Southern. And so there was always the LSU Southern rivalry, right? There was always kind of the north side of town against the south side of town. But I. If you want me to start, run like Kevin Falk, Herb title. If you want me to start, like, running off names of. Of black players that went to lsu. It was, you know, I don't know.

Joel Anderson (91:17)

I'm gonna bring the. Okay. A bunch of those schools above the Mason Dixon line stopped winning those championships at a certain point because they were able to keep more of their brothers at home. And few of them went to USC or went to Syracuse.

Van Lathan (91:36)

That's definitely true. That's definitely true. So the. The fact that the.

Joel Anderson (91:40)

Nick Saban was the first person to really tap into it and turned it into a serious thing. You don't want to get Nick.

Tate Frazier (91:50)

You don't like Nick.

Joel Anderson (91:50)

Satan, you're doing your ls.

Van Lathan (91:54)

Wait, wait, wait, wait. No. I give Nick Saban credit for fundamentally changing LSU and making LSU a place. When LSU won a national championship in 2003, the feeling of LSU winning the national championship was so bizarre and surreal. We were like, what the fuck? Like, we are an elite college football nut through another pick. Oh, no, he didn't. We are an elite college football program, right? We. We're good enough to win a national championship, but when you start looking up and down the list or when you look at the players that had left, when you look at at War Duns and Cordell Stewarts and all of those guys that were leaving the state, right, they were leaving the state to go to programs that were the IT programs. Then as soon as you made LSU IT program, then the guys from the state will go there, right? They. They will go to. They will go to LSU. Integrating. Meaning, like, LSU had 100 folk heroes on the team. I'm just saying, in 98, and then in 99, Nick Saban, like, the blind side went to New Orleans and was like, that's it. I Don't know.

Joel Anderson (93:04)

Integrated is an exaggeration of the term. But I'm just saying they started getting the kids. And that's when you start to see the fall off of Miami and Florida State and all those other, like, they became less consistent of powers once the SEC started tapping into that. Once that generation of black folks who was like, okay, I guess, like, I could see myself at the University of Arkansas. I could see myself at the University of whatever, whatever, Georgia. But I wanna. I wanna bring the data next time. I'm gonna. I'm gonna have.

Van Lathan (93:29)

Yeah, because by the way, this might be some new shit. I might not be giving Nick Saban enough credit because I know that Nick Saban is one of the greatest college football coaches ever. But him being one of the greatest civil rights leaders of all time, I hadn't considered that. But I'm telling you right now, if that thing. I'm willing to put him up there with Julian Bond and. Why did I say Julian Bond?

Joel Anderson (93:53)

Yeah, I know. You really started.

Van Lathan (93:55)

Why did I say Julian Bond? There's so many people I could have said, but Nick. Medgar Evers. Saving Nick X, That's. That'll be his new name once I get the Nick X.

Joel Anderson (94:05)

Man, you know, we don't want to give him this credit for building up your part of the country.

Tate Frazier (94:11)

The circle back to the Martin Luther conversation. Stevenson Ranch. Martin Luther Styles hometown is basically. This is from our producer, producer Jack Wilson. He said Stevenson Rants is basically fancy Santa Clarita, a lot of Lululemon dudes and Ford Raptors. So, okay, that's. That's where Martin Luther Style is from. And then one more thing from Kyle. Kyle just sent me this. The USF assistants got stuck in the media elevator after they started jumping up and down and celebrating.

Joel Anderson (94:37)

Wow.

Tate Frazier (94:38)

They were stuck for several minutes and they. They finally got released from that. So Florida, that's the big upset.

Joel Anderson (94:44)

Jamesville, you sound broke.

Tate Frazier (94:46)

Yeah. Not only do they break, Florida.

Joel Anderson (94:51)

Got.

Tate Frazier (94:52)

Van laughing, which is good. Guys, any more last, last parting thoughts before we get out of here? We got a shout out to Todd McShay. He will be live, live with Minch. And they will be reacting to this. Oklahoma, Michigan games to go. Check that out on their YouTube channel. That'll be a fun breakdown. But, Joel, any last parting thoughts before we get out of here?

Joel Anderson (95:09)

No, man, I got not. You know, Van has called me out on the carpet, so I got to get my information together, you know? But no, I mean, I think. Yeah, this has been. It's just been a great A great day of games, man. And yeah, I'm so, like, yeah, like, nope, man, don't ever think that there's, that there's gonna be an off week in college football, bro, because it's always, it's always going to be a lot of fun. And yeah, man, you just, I, I just can't, I can't believe that Mike Gundy got his ass beat like that. And I can't believe, you know, the greatest coach in the history of Oklahoma State, man, like, like, it's probably over over there. You know what I mean? So that's actually, that's my closing thought. I think it's probably over at Oklahoma State.

Van Lathan (95:49)

Like, yeah, I think it's time for, it's time for, for some new blood.

Joel Anderson (95:52)

You can't have your coach out there talking like that and then, and then going out there and getting his ass beat like that, you know, One of.

Tate Frazier (95:57)

The longest tenured coaches out there in college football, so greatest, the greatest coach.

Joel Anderson (96:01)

In that program's history. I mean, he's, he's, you know, he's everything. They should get a statue of him. But also seems like maybe they need to do something else sometimes.

Tate Frazier (96:10)

It's always time. VAN Last parting thought before we get.

Van Lathan (96:12)

Out of here, man, I'm having so much fun doing this show with you guys, right? Like, it's so much fun doing ringer tailgate. I'm so glad that the ringer is in the world of college football coverage. To me, it is the greatest sport on the planet. I am now not having any more fun, but that's the way that it goes. I'm not having fun anymore. But I will say this. So happy that we're, that we're doing the show. So happy. You know, Misha is coming up. I guess you'll, you'll throw to him. But keep an eye out this week, all of the fans. We'll be back Wednesday. Keep an eye out this week for all of the storylines and whispers that are going to come from this weekend, which was a weekend that exposed some teams, including perhaps maybe even my team. So watch the coaches press conferences on, on Monday. Watch how they spin and talk and try to explain away what has happened in, in these games today. That's one of my favorite parts of college football. And then we'll talk all about it Wednesday.

Tate Frazier (97:26)

Yeah, can't wait. Alex Goelish to Florida. That will be a big talking point, I'm sure after beating Florida, right We saw last year, Florida State loses the comments. Tommy Castellano's now he's their quarterback, so a lot of things happen. The portal can go all the way up to the coach level as well. And just reminding you guys, at least the greatest coach of all time is not the head coach of your alma mater in the middle of a close game against Charlotte. You know what I mean? You guys are having better days than I am right now. We appreciate everybody tuning in to ring your tailgate. We love being live on Saturdays. We'll be back on Wednesdays and go enjoy. McShade Mitchell tonight must be 21 or older in president select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 and older and present in D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem call 1-800- gambler or visit FanDuel.com RG call 1-888-789-7777 or visit CCPG.org ChatInCut or visit MD GamblingHelp.org In Maryland, Hope is here. Visit GamblingHelpLinema.org or call 800-327-5050 for 24. 7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8-HOPE NY or text HopeNY in New York.