Episode #180. Unlocking Human Potential: Resilience, Leadership, and Purpose in the Workplace, with Raghunath Sapuram, CEO of the TLEX Institute

Summary

Podcast Summary: Risk Never Sleeps – Episode #180

“Unlocking Human Potential: Resilience, Leadership, and Purpose in the Workplace”
Host: Ed Gaudet
Guest: Raghunath Sapuram (CEO, TLEX Institute)
Date: December 30, 2025

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Overview

This episode of Risk Never Sleeps dives into the human side of high-pressure environments, focusing on how resilience, purpose, and leadership are essential for protecting patient safety and driving performance in healthcare and beyond. Ed Gaudet welcomes Raghunath Sapuram, CEO of the TLEX Institute, to discuss unlocking human potential — specifically strategies for managing stress, building collaborative teams, and thriving amid rapid change like the rise of AI.

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Key Topics and Insights

1. Mission and Impact of TLEX (Transformational Leadership for Excellence)

[01:45-02:51]

• TLEX’s mission: “Unlocking human potential” through corporate resilience and leadership training.
• Programs address stress, burnout, change management, and anxiety, with a current focus on navigating the pace of AI adoption.
• Raghunath introduces the idea of “centered leadership” and creating “Avengers teams”—highly collaborative cross-functional groups prepared to face rapid technological change.
• Programs serve executives, mid-level managers, and broader teams, focusing on building “human capital.”

2. Outcomes and Methods

[03:02-05:42]

• TLEX tracks outcomes in three dimensions: wellbeing (reducing anxiety and stress), employee satisfaction/loyalty, and the development of new skills.
• Surveys and self-reported feedback indicate significant improvements in calmness and focus.
• Techniques include accessible breath work and meditation, adapted for the corporate environment and busy professionals:
  • “What we do is we bring those aspects of breath work, meditation into the program in such a way that becomes relevant in the corporate context, that it’s usable... in small intervals.” – Raghunath Sapuram [04:12]
• Emphasis on “micro techniques” for frequent, real-world use.

3. Productivity, Performance, and Team Cohesion

[04:56-05:42]

• Calmer and more centered people are more productive and adaptable.
• Focus on both “horizontal programming” (cross-functional team-building for speed and cohesion) and “vertical programming” (deepening team bonds for high performance).
• Trust and belonging are central to TLEX’s approach.

4. Personal Leadership Journey and Meditation Practice

[06:11-06:53, 13:48-14:36]

• Raghunath has practiced meditation for over 30 years; he now meditates daily, which he credits for expanding his personal and professional capabilities, including shifting careers from technologist to leadership coach.
• Recommends starting mindfulness practices earlier in life:
  • “I would say starting it early would have given me a lot more years in terms of not being held back by shyness, the constraints that we put on our own minds.” – Raghunath Sapuram [14:19]

5. Meditation Methodology: SKY Breath

[06:58-08:12]

• TLEX’s main tool is “SKY Breath” meditation—a globally recognized technique practiced by over 300 million people.
• Offerings include brief, accessible programs as well as a “SKY Immersion” (3.5 hours) that delivers lasting physiological benefits:
  • “Sky breath has been shown to bring down blood pressure and serum cortisol levels, like the stress hormone, comes down by more than 50%.” – Raghunath Sapuram [08:12]

6. Human-Centered Leadership Through Technological Revolution

[08:36-10:16]

• Raghunath’s background: Serial entrepreneur with three companies, including Gravitant (acquired by IBM) and Extraprise (acquired by Commerce One).
• Observes that across all technological revolutions, “it’s the people who make a difference.”
• On AI: Focus should be on enabling and empowering people, not just replacing them. Human purpose must drive the adoption of AI.
  • “Aligning it with human purpose rather than letting AI shape human beings.” – Raghunath Sapuram [10:16]

7. Resilience and Reinvention During Adversity

[10:57-12:13]

• As CEO/CTO, Raghunath led his team through financial crisis and transformation, prioritizing retention and cohesion above all:
  • “How do you focus on your team, the core assets that you have?” – Raghunath Sapuram [11:32]
• Attributes his company’s survival and eventual exit to loyalty, trust, courage, clarity, creativity, and continuous reinvention—the “Five C’s.”

8. Culture, Authenticity, and Purpose

[12:13-13:14]

• Post-acquisition, maintaining intentional culture—rooted in awareness—was possible even within a large, process-driven organization.
• “You have to be authentic. You can’t be insincere and get away with that. People see through that.” – Raghunath Sapuram [12:34]

9. Advice to Younger Self

[13:48-14:36]

• Encourages younger professionals to adopt meditation and mindfulness early to overcome self-imposed barriers.

10. Taking Risks and Managing Fear

[14:38-15:44]

• Riskiest act: Speaking to 5,000 people. Used meditation as secret to manage nerves and perform effectively.
• “I always meditate before I go into any risk kind of thing.” – Raghunath Sapuram [15:29]

11. Music, Family, and Personal Flow

[16:09-16:53]

• Music is integral to Raghunath’s family life, with one son a classical musician and the other a psychologist.
• “I call it the inner peace and the outer dynamism… Being centered and calm, but being active and responsible and doing things that make a difference purposefully.” – Raghunath Sapuram [17:02]

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Notable Quotes

• On human potential:
  “At a mission level, what we are doing is unlocking human potential… handling the human side of building what in the corporate world is called human capital.” – Raghunath Sapuram [01:45]
• On practical meditation:
  “Once I saw that I was expanding my capabilities and I was able to take on more responsibilities… I started going deeper into it.” – Raghunath Sapuram [06:38]
• On leadership and culture:
  “When we got acquired by IBM, we were fearful that we will lose that culture. And instead what I found was… it is possible to infuse that culture, possible to bring that in. But you have to intentionally and with awareness, go about the problem.” – Raghunath Sapuram [12:37]
• On stress and leadership:
  “There is too many misconceptions that meditation, all these things are, you know, once you retire… but I would say like when you’re very busy is when you need it the most.” – Raghunath Sapuram [18:52]

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Memorable Moments

• Hosts' immediate reaction to Raghunath’s presence:
  “You have such a calming effect. …I feel like you brought my blood pressure down like 20, 30 points. Seriously.” – Ed Gaudet [05:42]
• On facing risk:
  “The riskiest thing is stepping in front of 5,000 people and giving a speech… it was like a wall that I had to break.” – Raghunath Sapuram [14:42/15:23]
• On meditation as a pre-performance tool:
  “I pulled over, did my meditation for 20 minutes. Then went in… and I think I did fairly well…” – Raghunath Sapuram [15:44]
• Hosts:
  • “If you want to up the game of your people, your leadership… you need to check this company out.” – Ed Gaudet [17:44]

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Resources, Contacts, and Follow-Up

[17:19-19:29]

• TLEX Website: tlexmindmatters.com
• Direct Contact: Raghu at [e-mail]
• App: TLX Flow (offered as post-program support)
• SKY Breath meditation information available via books, YouTube, and partner organizations (including programs for healthcare workers and even prison inmates).

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Closing Thought

“Inner peace and outer dynamism: There are too many misconceptions that meditation and all these things are for when you retire, or when you have time in your life. But I would say—when you’re very busy is when you need it the most. Whether you come to TLEX or not, just experiment, do some breath work… SKY Breath meditation.”
— Raghunath Sapuram [18:52]

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Listeners interested in practical ways to build resilience for themselves and their organizations—and boost patient safety—will find this episode a powerful resource for approaching leadership (and life) with greater calm, clarity, and purpose.

Transcript

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Foreign.

[Ed Gaudet]

Welcome to Risk Never Sleeps, where we meet and get to know the people delivering patient care and protecting patient safety. I'm your host, Ed Gaudet.

[Saul]

Hello everyone and welcome Back to the AI Med 25 Insights podcast series sponsored by Cincinet and Outcomes Rocket. I'm so excited to be here on day three with my amazing co host, Ed Gaudet.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yo, Saul. Day three, man. We did it. We made it. What an incredible show.

[Saul]

I can't believe it's going to be over soon.

[Ed Gaudet]

I know. I'm so glad we did this.

[Saul]

It's been fantastic.

[Ed Gaudet]

I think we connected with a lot of people.

[Saul]

Wow.

[Ed Gaudet]

Been incredible, right?

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Yeah.

[Saul]

Yesterday was a marathon.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yesterday was. I was insane, actually. Did we eat dinner last? I don't even remember eating dinner.

[Saul]

I didn't eat lunch. Definitely got to dinner late.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Late.

[Saul]

When we were done, I hit the.

[Ed Gaudet]

Bed and I just passed out.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

I don't remember.

[Ed Gaudet]

I woke up, I'm like, whoa, what just happened?

[Saul]

I woke up and I was having breakfast with my son and I'm like, buddy, I think I'm. I turned into AI look, guys, we are here with Ragunath Sapuram. He is the CEO of TLEX usa that stands for transformational leadership for excellence. Oh, so glad that Raghu, we need.

[Ed Gaudet]

That transformation for leadership excellence, right?

[Saul]

We do need it.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Saul]

Glad you're here, Raghu.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

I need it and I'm so happy to be here, Saul. And IT thank you for inviting me to be on your show.

[Ed Gaudet]

You're welcome, of course. Good to see you. What does your organization do? Tell me more. I love the mission. The mission is in the name of.

[Saul]

The company that's powerful.

[Ed Gaudet]

Which is powerful.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

That is correct. And at a mission level, what we are doing is unlocking human potential. We work in the corporate space. We are a training company and we do resilience training, leadership skills development, building cohesive, what I call as hyper collaborative kind of cohesive teams addressing problems such as stress and burnout change initiatives which are causing a lot of churn anxiety. And we know one that's going on right now on the planet AI which is why we are all here. So we have come up with these concepts of centered leadership and task force for AI like creating an Avengers team, if you will, in the organization. Bringing multiple superheroes together, multiple people together to go solve problems quickly at the pace of where AI is going. So essentially we are handling the human side of building what in the corporate world called as human capital. Right. So building out that capital to be the next level of Leaders. And so we address programs both for executives as well as for the broader teams, mid level management and so on.

[Ed Gaudet]

What are some of the outcomes you've delivered? What have you seen that is after you've got done with a session or two that you just said, wow, that was amazing. What just happened here?

[Raghunath Sapuram]

So great question. And this is a question which every one of our potential clients asks us. What is the outcome? What am I getting for my money? Right.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

So a few things. The main aspects is like look at it as well being then, then employee satisfaction and loyalty to the organization and new skills or capabilities. So these are kind of the three dimensions we look at things. Right. So in terms of well being, there's a lot of benefit. In terms of depression, anxiety, being more calm, centered, stress reduction, all of those. And they've been measured. There are numbers out there and we do surveys at the end of every one of our programs. So also like self assessment from people staying where they are. So phenomenal results. I actually personally believe in the experiential feedback. So we get things like I've never had my mind go to this still a state ever in my life that I remember. And these are people who are like, people like us know minds are always racing.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

And at 100 miles an hour, 200 miles an hour. Right. Never resting unless we, like you said, you fall asleep, you knock, fall on the bed and then you're gone.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Then you wake up and you're off running again. So being able to still the mind like sportsmen, CEOs. I was looking up last night in Google who are the top CEOs who do meditate regularly. And like you say some phenomenal names, I leave it to you as a homework to go do it. So people who are highly successful have learned the value. What we do is we bring those aspects of breath, work, meditation into the program in such a way that becomes relevant in the corporate context, that it's usable. It's usable in small intervals.

[Ed Gaudet]

I love that.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

I love micro techniques, all of that.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah. It must increase productivity, Right. If people are calmer.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Ed Gaudet]

More focused and centered, you probably get the best out of those folks. Right.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

You nailed it. So productivity, performance, just being able to switch, multitask, switch from one role to another. There's a lot of benefits and that's personally reported. And we are in the process of doing studies on how to measure some of these things. Right. And the third aspect is being productivity and all of that and the team connection and team performance. So what happens in our Programs is the bonding. I call it vertical programming and horizontal programming. So horizontal programming is across the organization, bringing people together so they can move faster. Building the bond of trust and belongingness and cohesion. And vertical programming is where people in teams come together so the teams become high performant. So it's. It's very, very interesting to.

[Ed Gaudet]

I love that. Yeah. And we're audio only for this, not video. But you have such a calming effect.

[Saul]

I was thinking the same thing.

[Ed Gaudet]

He's so empathetic. The empathy comes is surrounding you and your voice is so calming.

[Saul]

He's walking the walk.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

It's amazing. I feel like you brought my blood pressure down like 20, 30 points. Seriously. And I'm not kidding. I'm not making that up. You have an amazing aura about you.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Thank you for sharing that. I've been meditating for about 30 years now. 30 plus years.

[Ed Gaudet]

I can see it.

[Saul]

You do it every day.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

I do it every day. I didn't used to all 30 years. In the beginning it was off and on. I had to make it a practice. I had to develop into habit. But once I saw that I was expanding my capabilities and I was able to take on more responsibilities, do things. I'm a technologist by heart and this is a completely different profession for me. Right.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

So it's able to switch and try new things, accomplish new things. So once I realized that switch that it's benefiting me personally and my family and then I started going deeper into it. So at least for the last 10 plus years I meditated every single day.

[Ed Gaudet]

Is there any specific methodology you use for meditation?

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Yeah. Yeah. So there is a technique called sky breath meditation. So we license it and it's a world famous technique. Close to 300 plus million people have done the programs.

[Ed Gaudet]

Sky breath.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Sky breath. And so we have partner organizations who offer it in the prisons, offer it for clinicians and care providers. And Tilex focuses on the corporate side. Corporate America and working with like sales teams, marketing teams.

[Saul]

So how does it work?

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

So we have multiple programs. The people are. We try to meet people where they are. So you if you have like to create a level of awareness that these techniques will benefit. We do short duration programs, half hour, one hour, half a day programs. Participate in company retreats or off sites management meetings, those kind of things. But our marquee program is three and a half hours, three sessions. And it's an immersive program. We call it the sky immersion program. And it can be yoga in that program. What happens is something really phenomenal the benefits. Some of the things you mentioned anecdotally, like your blood pressure seems to be coming down. Sky breath has been shown to bring down blood pressure and serum cortisol levels, like the stress hormones, comes down by more than 50%.

[Ed Gaudet]

I feel like jello right now. I don't know, it's weird. I can't explain it. I don't even feel like making jokes. I'm so calm right now.

[Saul]

You know, I like that we're having this conversation because we have had a lot of, you know, tech business fun and. And I think you have to treat the whole person. The whole person. So the wellness, the leadership, it's so important.

[Ed Gaudet]

Teaming.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

You know, I've been through multiple technology revolutions. Right. Like I'm an entrepreneur. I did multiple companies.

[Ed Gaudet]

You have?

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

How many companies?

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Three companies. Okay. My last company was a cloud supply chain management platform that we built. Who's the name of the world's first gravitant?

[Ed Gaudet]

Gravitant.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

And we got acquired by IBM.

[Ed Gaudet]

Okay, nice.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Then I became. I was a CTO and product owner as a gravitant. And at IBM, I became a distinguished engineer, which is an executive position technology leader. So building out teams and driving strategies and integrations and all of that.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

And I was part of the Internet boom. My first company was doing B2B transactions.

[Ed Gaudet]

What was that called?

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Extra price.

[Ed Gaudet]

I know. Extraprise.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Oh, you do? Based company acquired by Commerce One.

[Ed Gaudet]

I remember it.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

I worked for a company called IONA Technologies. Corba.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Yeah. And we had.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Those are the days of.

[Ed Gaudet]

Those are the days of corba. Well, no, I don't love Korba, but it was. That was king before BEA and weblogic came along and the whole app server craze.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Absolutely.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah. But no, those are the days, weren't they? Yeah, No, I remember your company.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

What I noticed is that in every one of these technology revolutions, it's the people who make a difference.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

The technology is absolutely critical. And with AI, technology has the potential to replace people, which is both scary and it's. But I think the way AI to be used. And I love being in this conference because I see that coming out a lot on the human angle, where instead of talking about replacement, we're talking about enabling. Enabling people with AI so they can explore new possibilities.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yes.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

And that's why I call it shaping the purpose. Shaping the AI future of AI. Aligning it with human purpose rather than letting AI shape human beings.

[Ed Gaudet]

Right. Did you speak on this panel?

[Raghunath Sapuram]

I didn't speak on the panel. I had A breakfast workshop.

[Ed Gaudet]

Breakfast workshop.

[Saul]

That's what you did?

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

Were you on stage today?

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Yeah, I thought I said in the morning. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

Okay. Yeah, I remember seeing. I think you were on the. Were you on the right side or were you on the other side of Anthony Chang?

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Dr. Chang? No, maybe we were talking of a different session and I was in the breakfast workshop.

[Ed Gaudet]

Oh, okay. I didn't know if you were on the keynote when. Oh, okay. Okay. There's. What were some of the learnings from your entrepreneurial experience that you had?

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Yeah. So I would say a lot of learnings. But the main thing I took away is like I was saying the human side of it. Yeah. Like at my Graviton, the startup that we had which got acquired by IBM, our challenge was we wanted to do it self funded and we wanted to run the mile, come to an exit if possible. Or make it a lifestyle company.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

As self funded. We did that for about eight to 10 years. And in 2008 we got hit by the recession and all the big clients that we had started walking away.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah. I don't remember.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

The license model started breaking down.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

So we had to transform ourselves. It was very important for us to retain the key people in the company. Even though financially we were getting going down. Yeah. And that's when the switch happened to me. That technology is all fine. Market will keep shifting, clients will keep coming in or going away, all the stuff. But how do you focus on your team, the core assets that you have? And we were actually doing that, but we put more intention and focus on that aspect. And what happened was as we were coming out of the recession, we had to reinvent ourselves. And what made it possible was the team, that strength they had the confidence, the loyalty, the trust we had. Right.

[Ed Gaudet]

The resilience and grit.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

The resilience and grit. Courage. Courage. The clarity, the creativity, the courage. The connection between the team members.

[Ed Gaudet]

That's great.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

And the ability to continuously reinvent the five C's Right. Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

It wasn't a job for them.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

It wasn't a job for them. We had to make it much more than a job, like a purpose, Right?

[Ed Gaudet]

Absolutely.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

And you have to be authentic. You can't be insincere and get away with that.

[Ed Gaudet]

People see through that.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

And what was interesting is when we got acquired by IBM, we were fearful that we will lose that culture. And instead what I found was even with the bureaucracy, with large processes, it is possible to infuse that culture, possible to bring that in. But you have to intentionally and with awareness, go about the problem. Right. The challenge. So we were able to do it across global teams. So that was a big learning for me. That's why I made the switch. When this opportunity came, I said, are.

[Ed Gaudet]

You a founder of this company or CEO or.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

I'm the CEO. Tlix usa. Okay. TLIX is a global company.

[Ed Gaudet]

Global, okay.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Yeah. So there's a North America entity. Each of us are separate companies. We come together, work together.

[Ed Gaudet]

Got it. Okay, great. Are you in Austin? Is that where you live?

[Raghunath Sapuram]

I live in Austin, yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

Nice. I love Austin.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Fabulous town is growing very fast.

[Saul]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

You ever get to the lake?

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Yeah, yeah. I moved to Austin in 97, so I've seen it grow from no tollways to.

[Ed Gaudet]

And you've seen the water go down. Yeah. Dissipate right in the lake. Unbelievable. If you could go back in time and tell your 20 year old self something, what would it be?

[Raghunath Sapuram]

I would say I got into this kind of meditation, depth of meditation. Around 36 years old. I'm 61 now. 62. I would say start this early because I was a shy kid. I mean, I wouldn't be up on stage, I wouldn't talk in front of people. Forget about podcasts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not even in my dreams. Right. What I am today, like the kind of things I've discovered about myself and expansion has been phenomenal for me personally as an individual.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

So I would say starting it early would have given me a lot more years in terms of not being held back by shyness, the constraints that we put on our own minds. So the key thing for me and everything else would flow from there. Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

That's a good answer. Right?

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

What's the riskiest thing you've ever done? Jump out of a plane or.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

No, I would say the riskiest thing is step in front of 5,000 people and give a.

[Ed Gaudet]

That's a first for the show, right? Yeah. No. And you know, they do surveys every year and public speaking is one of the top fears people have.

[Saul]

Even greater than death.

[Ed Gaudet]

Even greater than death. Yeah.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

Can you imagine? For me, it's the dentist.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Like.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah, I don't have a good experience ever with, with dentists, but yeah.

[Saul]

Raghu, you did it, man. You talked in front of 5,000 people. How did it feel when you were done?

[Raghunath Sapuram]

It felt very natural and very fulfilling. Looking back, it didn't feel like it's a big risk I'm taking. Right.

[Saul]

But going in, it, going in, it.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Was like a wall that I had to break.

[Ed Gaudet]

Now, were you in Your meditation zone. Or was this before that?

[Raghunath Sapuram]

That's my secret. And I always meditate before I go into any risk kind of thing.

[Ed Gaudet]

Right, nice.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Like, I had this board meeting with. Not board meeting, but the VC meeting in Ravitand where I had to take a position and go in front of the two key VCs.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

And share my perspectives on where the company was and what needed to be done for change of staff. And you talked about risky things. That was a very uncomfortable, not me kind of an event. Right. So I pulled over, did my meditation for 20 minutes.

[Ed Gaudet]

Nice.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Then went in. And the meeting lasted for a couple of hours. And I think I did fairly well considering the outcomes of the company.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah. That's great. Are you a music fan? Do you listen to music?

[Raghunath Sapuram]

I a music fan. My son is a musician. He's Indian. Classical music.

[Ed Gaudet]

Really?

[Raghunath Sapuram]

He graduated from UT Austin. My elder son.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Saul]

What's the instrument?

[Raghunath Sapuram]

It's a fretless string instrument, kind of like a Hawaiian slide guitar. Cool.

[Ed Gaudet]

Whoa.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

It's an Indian. It's called chitravina.

[Ed Gaudet]

Chitravina.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

So music is in my family, let me put it that way, at my home. People, students trooping in and all of that. So I love music.

[Ed Gaudet]

Nice.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

My younger son is a psychologist. So her music in the mind, and I'm somewhere in between. That's cool.

[Ed Gaudet]

You keep the flow, right?

[Raghunath Sapuram]

I keep the flow.

[Ed Gaudet]

You keep the flow. Yeah.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

That's a good one. I'm going to use that. I keep the flow.

[Ed Gaudet]

You keep the flow. Right. Two sons. Any other children or.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Two sons.

[Ed Gaudet]

Two sons, yeah. Nice. Yeah. I'm, like, so relaxed right now. I'm almost losing.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

I call it the inner peace and the outer dynamism. Yeah. So being centered and calm, but being active and responsible and doing things that make a difference purposefully.

[Saul]

If somebody that's listening to this says, wow, I want some of that.

[Ed Gaudet]

How do they find you? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Tlexmindmatters.com is one way, but very simply, Raghu R A g h u [e-mail].

[Ed Gaudet]

Okay. TLX.

[Saul]

We'll put that in the show notes.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Saul]

Make sure you guys click on that.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Saul]

If you want to up the game of your people, your leadership, I mean, at the end of the day, it's more about the people than the tech. Both of them are important. But, yeah.

[Ed Gaudet]

If you're a leader and you're looking for a way to completely change your organization and bring something to the team and to the people and to the employees that you're missing. You need to check this company out.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Right.

[Saul]

T. Lex usa.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah. Tilux. Ragu. Usa.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Ragu.

[Ed Gaudet]

Like the sauce?

[Raghunath Sapuram]

You said like the sauce. Yeah.

[Saul]

Ragu is the special sauce.

[Ed Gaudet]

It's a special. Yeah, it's the flow.

[Saul]

The flow.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Rago. The flow. Okay, nice. I like.

[Saul]

It's a T shirt. I see it coming.

[Ed Gaudet]

The T shirt.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Oh, yeah.

[Saul]

Drag. This has been great, man.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Any closing, the app that we have is called TLX Flow.

[Ed Gaudet]

Oh, you have an app on the phone.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Yeah. We don't push the app in the front. After the programs are done, we give the app one year free support. Oh. For maintenance. For sustainability.

[Ed Gaudet]

Sustainability. So much better word than maintenance.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Maintenance makes it feel like. But it is maintenance.

[Ed Gaudet]

You have me so relaxed, I've lost all my words.

[Saul]

Any closing thoughts, Raghu?

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Yeah, happy to be on this discussion and sharing. And my closing thought would be the inner peace and outer dynamism. There is too many misconceptions that meditation, all these things are, you know, once you retire or when you don't have any, like, you know, when you have time in your life, then you do it. But I would say like when you're very busy is when you need it the most. And whether you come to TLEX or not, just experiment, do some breath work. Guy breath, sky breath meditation.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah. I assume we can pick up books on that.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

And there are books on that. If you go to YouTube, you go to Google, you know, you'll find there are different organizations offering it.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Based on who the audience is. Like, we have organizations focusing on using Sky Breath for care providers like physicians and clinicians. It's called healing breaths. And then we have. For the open community, art of living. And then we have prisons. And like I personally walked into correctional center and done these programs for the.

[Ed Gaudet]

Wow.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Maximum security inmates and phenomenal outcomes.

[Saul]

Yeah.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

I mean, evidence is very important, scientific evidence, but it's the people experience which makes a big difference into the day.

[Ed Gaudet]

If you're walking into a prison, you've got some definite inner peace happening.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Right. You notice I didn't give that answer when you asked me what is the riskiest thing.

[Ed Gaudet]

No, you did not. You did not. Now that would be. That would be a good answer. You probably thought it and you're like.

[Saul]

Not going to prison.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah. I can neither confirm nor deny I've been in prison. So.

[Saul]

There you have it, folks.

[Ed Gaudet]

Good way to end.

[Saul]

That's a good way to end.

[Ed Gaudet]

Yeah. I gotta get my mojo back here because I feel like he's completely put me to this incredible Zen state right now. Yeah, I'm just like. I feel like I'm floating almost. Has anyone ever told you that? That you do that to people?

[Raghunath Sapuram]

I do have that effect on people. Yeah. And I'm not trying. Trust me.

[Ed Gaudet]

You're not even trying. Oh, I must really need help.

[Saul]

He just is.

[Ed Gaudet]

He just is. He is. Yeah. Raghu, the flow.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

All right.

[Saul]

Raghunath Sapuram, CEO of TLEX USA Transformational Leadership for Excellence, with us today on the podcast. Everything's in the show Notes. Get in touch with him.

[Ed Gaudet]

Amazing. Thank you, sir.

[Raghunath Sapuram]

Thank you very much.

[Ed Gaudet]

Thanks for listening to Risk Never Sleeps. For the show Notes, resources and more information and how to transform the protection of patient safety, Visit [e-mail] that's C-E N S I N E T dot com. I'm your host, Ed Gaudet. And until next time, stay vigilant because Risk never Sleeps.