Episode #182. Stronger After Stroke: Education, Innovation, and Impact, with Rosa Hart , Owner at Rosa Hart Media Consulting LLC

Summary

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Risk Never Sleeps Podcast: Episode #182

Title: Stronger After Stroke: Education, Innovation, and Impact
Guest: Rosa Hart, Owner, Rosa Hart Media Consulting LLC
Host: Ed Gaudet
Date: January 5, 2026

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Main Theme

This lively episode spotlights the intersection between patient safety, stroke recovery, and the transformative role of nurses and innovation in healthcare, especially with digital and AI technologies. Guest Rosa Hart shares her unique journey as a stroke nurse and prolific podcaster, discussing her mission to educate, empower, and impact both patients and caregivers. Together, host Ed Gaudet, Rosa, and co-host Saul Marquez explore topics from brain health to gender disparities in stroke, the evolving role of nurses in AI, and the power of acknowledgment and generosity in healthcare.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Rosa Hart’s Podcasting Journey & Impact

• Origins of Podcasting: Rosa began podcasting after a friend wanted to review restaurants. She discovered the power of podcasting to share stories and connect with communities.

  "My friend wanted to review restaurants, and I was like, that's really cute. ...we're gonna make a podcast." — Rosa Hart (03:00)

• Purpose-driven Work: Her "Stronger After Stroke" podcast provides education, encouragement, and hope to stroke survivors and caregivers in 92 countries, promoting better post-stroke quality of life.

  "It's heard in 92 countries. ...If my plane goes down, I feel like I left a legacy already." — Rosa Hart (02:33)

• Other Podcasts:

  • Lou Review: Featuring Louisville, Kentucky business owners and nonprofits.
  • Aging Like a Pro: Translating brain health research for the University of Miami.
  • Nurse Rosa’s Insights: Interviews with health stakeholders on innovative, systemic healthcare solutions.

2. Brain Health & Post-Stroke Advice

• Keeping Your Brain Healthy:
  • Cognitive activities (e.g., crosswords) and creativity help brain health; effort, not proficiency, matters.

    "They don't say you have to be good at it." — Rosa (04:40)

  • Physical movement, especially walking, is highly recommended.

    "Physical walking is one of the best things you can do for your brain." — Rosa (04:59)

• Neuroplasticity: Modern research shows the brain's remarkable ability to recover after stroke, fostering hope for patients.

3. Nurses, AI, & Healthcare Innovation

• Bridging the Gap: Rosa recounts attending AI Med’s "office hours" as the only nurse among many physicians. Nurses need more representation and less fear in conversations about AI in healthcare.

  "Are there no nurses for real?...The nurses they have talked to...have been really fearful and not knowing where to start." — Rosa (09:33-10:53)

• Nursing Track at AI Med: She helped moderate panels, facilitating greater nurse involvement in developing healthcare AI solutions.

• Billion-Dollar Question: Her podcast asks guests:

  "If you were given a grant for $1 billion...how would you use it to create the most sustainable impact in healthcare?"— Rosa (05:53)

4. Gender & Stroke – Unpacking the Data

• Women and Stroke:

  • More women experience strokes than men, partly due to pregnancy and estrogen’s complex effects (13:17).
  • Higher risks during and after pregnancy (13:40), with estrogen providing some cardiovascular protection but also increasing risk when combined with behaviors like smoking/vaping.
  • Women's health research—and data on female-dominant fields like nursing—remains insufficient.
  • Stroke outcomes tend to be worse for female patients; caregiving burdens also fall disproportionately on women.

  "Most caregivers for people who have stroke are women, whether it's the wife or...the oldest daughter...that has a burden on their health." — Rosa (16:27)

5. The Emotional Labor & Risks of Nursing

• Physical and Emotional Hazards:

  "You're more likely to be injured in the workplace as a nurse than as a military officer or a construction worker..." — Rosa (15:12)

• Memorable Nursing Stories: Rosa’s candid account of cleaning up after a confused patient with C.Diff highlights the gritty realities of healthcare (15:43).

6. Recognition, Generosity, and Evolving as Humans

• Acknowledgment Culture:

  • The group discusses how little gestures of appreciation—like fruit baskets—make a big difference.

    "I think we should just be excessively generous with giving people credit, you know?" — Rosa (21:54)

• Personal Evolution:

  • The hosts and Rosa reflect on improving self-restraint, the importance of empathy, and the journey toward becoming better listeners and more compassionate caregivers and leaders.
  • Ed shares that quitting drinking led to newfound self-control in conversations.

    "That gave me the voice inside to stop and not speak." — Ed (20:52)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Nurse Engagement in AI

  "They need to be involved in building solutions." — Rosa (11:09)

• On Stroke Care and Speed

  "Time is brain." — Rosa (12:06)

• On Women's Role in Caregiving

  "If a man has a stroke, their wife is going to make sure they take their meds...change how they're cooking...husbands who do that...is rare." — Rosa (17:20)

• Unfiltered Nursing Reality

  "Somebody with C. Diff pooped all over the wall and down the toilet and nobody was available to help me clean it up." — Rosa (15:43)

• Generosity & Credit

  "Imagine the love we would bring into the world if we just gave people a little credit." — Ed (21:47)

• Playful Podcasting

  • The episode closes with spontaneous singing ("Love Me Tender" and "So Long, Farewell") and lighthearted karaoke planning, showcasing the warmth and humanity behind the professional roles.

  "You have a beautiful voice. Wow. I wanted to stop singing." — Ed (25:34)

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Key Timestamps by Segment

• Rosa’s Intro, Name Mix-up & Podcast Origins (01:00–03:00)
• Podcast Impact & Stroke Podcast Global Reach (02:06–02:58)
• Brain Health Advice (04:34–05:14)
• Overview of Podcasts & Billion-Dollar Question (05:30–06:03)
• Gender & Stroke Risks (13:16–14:28)
• Nursing Injuries & Workplace Violence (15:03–15:40)
• Raw Nursing Stories (15:43–16:04)
• Women's Caregiving Burden & Outcomes (16:27–17:43)
• Discussion on Empathy, Credit & Growth (19:34–22:02)
• Musical Close, Favorite Movies/Records (24:33–27:27)

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Where to Find Rosa Hart

"I do have a website. It's nurserosaspeaks.com and I'm on all the social media platforms at NurseRosaSpeaks, and I would love to connect with you there and especially LinkedIn." — Rosa (28:18)

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Takeaways

• Nurses are essential voices in digital health innovation and patient safety.
• Post-stroke recovery is multifaceted, demanding medical, educational, and emotional support—with an urgent need to address gender disparities.
• Recognition and empathy matter—in the workplace, in caregiving, and in leadership.
• Transformation is ongoing, both personally and for healthcare as a whole; taking risks and embracing vulnerability bring progress.
• A little generosity and music go a long way in strengthening connections and resilience.

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For more resources, visit Censinet's website and Rosa's platform at NurseRosaSpeaks.com.

Transcript

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Foreign.

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Welcome to Risk Never Sleeps, where we meet and get to know the people delivering patient care and protecting patient safety. I'm your host, Ed Gaudet. Day 3 aimed 25 AI insights podcast brought to you by Outcomes Rocket and Senseinet. Risk Never Sleeps podcast available on popular streaming services globally. Saul Marquez in the house, my co host and friend. Although he's a little upset with me right now.

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I'm not. Oh, good, we made it.

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Dude, this is the last one. Fist bump. Okay.

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27 total.

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27 plus the two minutes, so like almost 50. Oh, wow.

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Yeah. Count those. Yeah, you're on.

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Ed wants full credit for all his work.

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Yeah, no, I don't think it's a.

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Crushing guest can speak until we introduce her.

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Right?

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Oh.

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I'm sorry. I didn't know I was supposed to wait for permission.

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Such a pleasure to be here. Yeah, I know. Rosa Parks.

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I mean it.

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Rosa Heart. I'm sorry? Rosa Heart. Oh.

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I mean, I do get car sick in the back, so I do prefer to sit up front, but it's. You know, I have a good reason.

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I'm so sorry.

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It happens all the time, anytime people feel.

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And I was at dinner with you at Health too. I can't believe I just did that.

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What? We were in Vegas and you didn't remember my name.

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That' so I do remember your name. I did. I just had a. I can I just claim age.

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So it's Rosa Hart, but yeah.

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Yeah, yeah. And you have an incredible podcast, right?

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Actually, all four are. I hope. I mean.

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Podcast.

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Yeah.

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Four.

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What are the four original podcast in my life was lure View the Lou Review is a podcast where I interview business owners and nonprofit leaders in Louisville, Kentucky about why it's such a great place to be and what they are doing to make it such a great place.

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Yeah.

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And actually turn that into a 501c3 nonprofit because I'm providing them with free marketing.

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Nice.

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Because I've been doing that for five years now. And because I was doing that where I work, invited me to make a podcast for my patients. I'm a stroke nurse. I did eight years in the icu and then last five years I do follow up phone calls and they invited me to make the stronger After Stroke podcast for stroke survivors and caregivers for education and encouragement to have their best quality of life after stroke. Yeah, that one did okay.

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You're a nice person.

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Well, it won first place at the International Stroke Conference for the American Heart. That's meaningful work and it's heard in 92 countries. So when you say meaningful work, sir, if my plane goes down, I feel like I left a legacy already, as those people are getting access to specialized information and hope to have a better life after their stroke. And that's for real. So.

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Yeah.

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What got you into podcasting?

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My friend wanted to review restaurants, and I was like, that's really cute. How are you gonna do that when you can't spell? And he was like, we're gonna make a podcast. And I was like, what's the podcast? And so we started it on the cell phone and with no video or anything, and it just.

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Cool.

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And I fell in love with getting to know people.

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Yeah, you're a natural.

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Yeah, I love yapping it with people.

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Yeah.

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So you're like the person to talk to if you go to Louisville?

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For sure. Yes. I've been to over 500 restaurants there in the last five years.

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Really?

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So do people want you to go for, like, to try it out and get free stuff?

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Yes.

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What's your favorite food?

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Cheese.

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I love. Yeah. Who doesn't love cheese?

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Right.

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Have you ever been to it?

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I mean, queso is pretty white.

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Velveeta. You like Velveeta?

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So I grew up with velveeta. Yes, I like Velveeta. But like, the queso and chips at either Salsaritas, where we are, or Lamani Sal, they have chorizo queso, and they have these really thick chips where you can get lots of cheese on it. I really love that.

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Yeah.

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Delicious. Those.

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This podcast brought to you by what was the name of the restaurant?

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They did not pay me as much, but those led into. I got in. I consult with the University of Miami on their aging Like a pro podcast and interview their brain health researchers about their translational research on how to have better brain health as you age. So I get to kind of translate for doctors who, you know, nurses are essentially doctors.

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Should I do crosswords?

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They do say that helps.

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Really?

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Yes.

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Never been good at crosswords.

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Well, they don't say you have to be good at it.

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Oh. They just say it's just like letters in the box.

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The cognitive effort.

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Oh, it's the effort.

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Yeah. You can't be lazy about it and expect it to work.

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Okay. Okay.

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That's all.

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You just have to try it.

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You have to participate.

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Okay. What other things can I do to keep my brain alive?

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Move more.

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Move more.

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Yeah. Exercise. Physical walking is one of the best things you can do for your brain.

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Really? Okay. Interesting. Which I don't do.

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I gotta walk more.

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Good. I think A lot, though. How about thinking? Does that count?

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Yeah. Does it prove it though?

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Oh, I can prove it.

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Yeah.

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No, I turn. I turn thought into action all the time.

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That crossword puzzle.

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Yeah. I don't do the cost puzzle, but I'm a. So I create. Is that good for the brain?

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Cool.

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I mean, at least I like to think so.

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Yeah. You're creative too. Yeah.

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So actually I had to create a fourth podcast because I had all these people reaching out to me who were like, I want to be on your podcast, but they had nothing to do with stroke and you know.

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Or I hate that.

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Yeah. Or they had a really good idea, but, you know. And so I created the Nurse Roses Insights podcast where I interview any health stakeholder who has a good answer to my billion dollar question.

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And what is that?

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That is if you were given a grant for $1 billion to meet a need that you see in healthcare. How would you like to see it? Use strategic gradient to have the most sustainable impact.

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I have an answer.

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You do? What's your answer?

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I do. I would try to figure out how to visualize the soul and measure it and harness it.

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Yeah.

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In a way that we could actually use it to create true longevity of life after death. Sure. Why not?

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Eliminating death.

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Why not?

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That's the one thing that eludes us. Right. In healthcare.

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Altered carbon where you can like change your out bodies with your soul.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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You know what I'm talking about.

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Yeah, yeah. Soul. Soul science. Yeah. They call me the doctor of soul. Did you know that? No, I've TM that the doctor of soul.

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Lol.

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Get the website.

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No, yeah, not lol.

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I'm pretty sure it was lol.

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Was it like one of the faces that throws back or like the one that's like static in front of you? Like which one?

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Or the.

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The emoji face?

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Like which static one is what I was static one.

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Okay. Not the one that's like.

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Like that.

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That's our ofl.

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Oh, that's.

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What is that one? Rolling on the.

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On the floor, laughing.

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Oh, okay.

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You thought I was going to say I did I.

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So you were set.

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Me, I'm so glad the F is floor.

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But you know, last night at the Women's health breakout session for AI Med, we. We had someone there. I can't remember her name. I hope I got her contact information in my phone, but she about. She wish we talked more about as we are exploring AI and bringing it into consciousness of its own identifying. Okay. What even is human consciousness? Right. How does Our human consciousness relate to God in whatever form. And then this transhumanism. If we become like interrelated with the AI somehow.

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Like dark Eon. Do you know the book?

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I don't.

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Sharita.

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Okay.

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And it's a. E. Oh. When?

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Is there a movie?

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I don't think so.

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Is there an audiobook at least?

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Probably. It's new. It's fairly new.

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I just recorded my own audiobook. I'm super interested.

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Did you?

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It's for my book. Speak up. Start now. And it.

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Speak up. Start Now.

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Yeah. It's really about my journey and overcoming imposter syndrome. I know.

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Oh, no, I know exactly. No, I. I experienced. I know exactly what that is. Yeah.

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Believe that about us, Ed.

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Really?

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I don't think so.

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You know, you look at me and you probably think I'm an extrovert.

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Same.

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I'm an introvert.

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I'm also not an introvert. But.

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It's where you prefer. It's the state you prefer. And I actually prefer to be alone, writing. And I'm a poet. I love to write poetry, reading books. But I do get energy from people and I do need it.

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So you're an ambivert.

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Well, I guess I'm referred to as an active introvert.

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Okay.

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Yeah. Versus a passive extrovert.

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You just don't want to share a title with anybody.

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I don't like labels.

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Special.

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I don't like labels. I'm actually an anti label person. All my life I. I cannot stand label. I hate that people label people. I never got that. Yeah, people are so complicated.

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And it's for non creative people.

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It doesn't have to fit in the box, right?

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Oh, there's no box I could fit in.

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Sorry. I keep always talking directly at Ed, so I'm not trying.

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You're good.

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Oh, no, no, no.

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He's just.

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No, we have something going on right now.

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Okay.

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Have a connection.

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We do.

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Keep.

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Don't turn your whole body towards Saul. I feel like 10% now of you. I always had 100% of you. Now I only get 10%. Look at Saul. Saul. Saul's already upset at me. Now you've left him out of the conversation. Now he's going to be.

[A]

So, Rosa, what brings you to AI Med?

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Anthony Chang.

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He's amazing, isn't he?

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So I hopped on the AB office hours that are free and accessible to everybody on Wednesdays. And I popped on there and they were like, introduce yourself. I was like, hi, I'm a nurse and I want to learn about AI I don't know anything. And they were like, let us ask you all the questions we have for nurses. And I was like, there are 300 people on here. Are there no nurses for real? And then also I was like, you're all doctors and all the majority of your colleagues that you work with, your co workers, are nurses. Why are these still questions? Yeah, honestly. But I guess in their workflow, they don't have time to talk about it and ideate that stuff. If they mention something, their eyes glaze over like they're talking about video games or something. Right. And there's a lot of fear and hesitation. So that's what they were seeing is the nurses they have talked to about it have been really fearful and not knowing where to start. And I was definitely in that boat. That's why I got on those office hours, because I was looking. How do I even start to learn about AI, especially as it relates to healthcare? Because I can play with ChatGPT and I have done these, like, webinars through like, you know, canva or other AI people who have little webinars and things. And. But it's not healthcare related. And so there are some things that can translate over, but they're not the people working on that.

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Yeah.

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So they were really welcoming and they're like, come to AI Med, be part of the nursing track. And so we did that and I got to moderate a couple panels and we had about 100 nurses register to be here.

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Oh, wow. So that's awesome.

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That's crazy.

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That's a win.

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Yes.

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Huge win. Yeah.

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Because they need to be involved in building solutions.

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Absolutely. Yeah. Love it.

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Well, we're glad you're here.

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Yeah. You're coming next year then, I hope Orlando.

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Yeah, that's even closer. So, yeah.

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So what are you leaving with that you didn't come here?

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Meaning lots of new people that are now in my phone. And then I will be interviewing them on my podcast for sure.

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That's awesome.

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And then hopefully maybe getting to work with them on some different projects and developing some solutions that I would love to see come into reality, especially around stroke and life after stroke and maybe some agentic AI options. Maybe we'll bob code an app that.

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Can I have an idea for stroke?

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What you got?

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Because my mind's always creating here.

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Okay.

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The drug tm.

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Tnk.

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Tnk.

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And it's Nancy the Clock.

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The Clock Buster. Not the Clock Buster, but the Clockbuster. I could use both, actually, to beat the clock. Yeah, that's right. That's right.

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Time is brain.

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Are we ever gonna have an EPI pen version of that for home use?

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Oh, dear God, no.

[B]

What?

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Because you have to go this process of elimination to rule out whether or not a stroke is being caused by a bleed or a clot. And if it's already a bleed, the clot buster would make you not stop bleeding and probably speed up the bleeding.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah. And unless we're gonna have CT scan in everybody's house, then.

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No.

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There's also other, like, processes they go through, like, process of elimination. Does this person have risks that would outweigh the benefit of administration?

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Got it.

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Yeah. But we should definitely do things to get people to the hospital faster to find that out.

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Yeah, yeah. Because like you said, seconds matter and stroke. Right? Yeah, yeah.

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Like every second, like, I don't know, 90 million I have misquoting that.

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Yeah. No, no, I know.

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With neuroplasticity, we now know you can recover so much of the existing neurons can then learn new.

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Thank God, because I'd be in a basket right now.

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Well, I think you're up to some great things. And you also have a panel coming up.

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I do.

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Tell us about that.

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Men's health. Yeah. Actually, more women than men experience stroke and almost all.

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Is that true?

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Yeah, it is.

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I did not know that.

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Yeah.

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Why is that?

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Probably estrogen.

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Oh, yeah.

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For to be super duper simple. And anybody who's a doctor is probably going to be like, oh, but you forgot these 10 other things. I'm like, yeah, but we've got to summarize.

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Yeah, yeah, no, I like that.

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And pregnant pregnancy. Pregnancy is a huge risk factor. Right.

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So before or after or during.

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During and the year after.

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Oh, really? Really?

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Yes. So all the things like high blood pressure and preeclampsia and all that, gestational diabetes, which goes away hopefully after a time. All those things contribute to stroke risk. And men don't get pregnant.

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Yeah. Thank God.

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Interesting.

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Right? So that does increase their stroke risks, especially in that age group.

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Yeah.

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And then women live longer.

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Right.

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So then they're living longer more.

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Like, why is that? Why do women live longer?

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I can't remember. Right.

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I feel like it's estrogen.

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Estrogen is cardiovascular protective.

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Yeah. Oh, so it might be estrogen.

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Right. But if you take hormonal birth control and you're. You use nicotine, which a lot of younger women do, especially like with vaping.

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Yeah.

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Then that increases your stroke risk, increases the clotting.

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I'm gonna ask Chat.

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GPT. Sure.

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Oh, you're gonna chat right now women Live longer.

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Longer.

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How you validate the answer?

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Well, let's see.

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Question.

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See what it says.

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We have biological factors, genetics, hormones. Immune system. Behavioral factors. Risk taking.

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Yeah.

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Less risk.

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Oh, yeah.

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Health seeking. Behavior.

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Oh.

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Social and lifestyle factors. Occupational hazards. Men are more likely to work in high risk jobs.

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Yeah. Stress and social podcasting is a job.

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Actually, I feel like we should reevaluate that because you are more likely to be injured in the workplace as a nurse than as a military officer or a construction worker or a police officer.

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Is that right?

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It's a big issue. Wait, maybe we need to look into that. And I'm not saying chat GPT got that wrong, but I think that where they're pulling that from, we need to reevaluate that. Because those sources should not coexist. Right.

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Why is that?

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Because people are having the worst days of their life in that hospital. A lot of it could be unintentional. It could be trying to lift a heavy person and like you throw your back out. It could be they bite you or they punch you or they kick you.

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Workplace violence.

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What's the worst thing that's ever happened to you?

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To me, probably this time of somebody with C. Diff pooped all over the wall and down the toilet and nobody was available to help me clean it up.

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Oh, my reflex. So here we go.

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It took so long.

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Please, no bodily fluids on this.

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It's worse than mix.

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And he was confused and so I was worried he was.

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She's still going. She's still talking about it.

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I was reliving. I was trying to.

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I haven't eaten yet.

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My memory right now.

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Sorry to bring that up.

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Yeah.

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But interesting that you went through that. And. And also your point, Rosa, your point on sort of this output.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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We can't just take it for. For what it is.

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Trust but verify.

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Trust but verify.

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And also it's pulling from valid sources that like, the sources do say that.

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Yeah.

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But there's so much research about women's health that has not been done and there's a lot of attention that has not been on nursing and that like 80 something percent of the nursing workforce is women. So there's a lot of overlap there. And I did want to say also about stroke. Most caregivers for people who have stroke are women, whether it's the wife or the. Usually the oldest daughter ends up being the caregiver. And that has a burden on them and their health. Not just their mental health, but their physical health. And then they don't take care of themselves. And women's outcomes, if they are a woman who had a stroke, they usually have a worse outcome than a man who has a similar kind of stroke. So I think, you know, a lot more research needs to be done about that.

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Yeah.

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And maybe I could help.

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Listen, I think it can.

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Yeah, I think it can.

[B]

If my wife has a stroke before me, we're in trouble because my whole house will shut down.

[C]

Yeah, right.

[A]

That would be sad.

[C]

I suspect. And I invite anyone to do research to prove me right or wrong. I don't care. I suspect this because if a man has a stroke, then their wife is going to make sure they take their medicines and go to their doctors and change how they're cooking and eating for them. And there are some husbands who do that, but that is rare. Yeah. Men are more likely to divorce their wife if they become a caregiver full time.

[B]

I believe that. Yeah.

[C]

That's a statistical fact.

[B]

Yeah, no, I, I believe that.

[C]

I do believe that contributes.

[B]

Men are babies, men are. Men are terrible.

[C]

And you know, I love.

[A]

Sorry.

[C]

I love men and everything, but, you know, gotta call a spade a spade, right?

[B]

Yeah. Well, speak truth. That's how. Yeah, I love that too. Yeah.

[C]

And that makes you seem more exceptional as men. Who wouldn' do that?

[B]

Well, Well, I have three daughters, so they beat it into me to be not less of a man, more of a whole body individual. Right. That sees all sides to a problem.

[C]

To be less of a man. Is that what you said?

[B]

Did I said that? I might have said that.

[C]

You mean, what do you mean by that?

[B]

Less of an aggressive male? I guess maybe. Yeah.

[A]

More compassionate.

[B]

Yeah. More understanding. Yeah. I've definitely been on a journey with my daughters. They're incredible. We have a very open relationship. I've talked to them. My wife wasn't really happy about this, but when they were younger, I would talk to them like they were adults, like peers. And my wife said, why do you talk to them like that? Like, because when I was a child and people talked to me like a child, I hated it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm like, I know what's going on here.

[C]

Well, good. And then you set that expectation. So they don't accept people teaching, talking down to them.

[B]

Right, exactly.

[C]

Sendingly to them.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I worked with some really good neurologists and neurosurgeons who told me the only dumb question is the question you don't ask. You need to know all the information, take the best care of the patient. And so. And they don't. Didn't talk condescendingly. To me. So when anyone else did, I'm like, I'm sorry, neuroscience. Don't talk to me like that. So get over yourself.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, something else is going on in that person when they talk. Like there's a. There's some other issues going on. Right. That meet them that way usually.

[C]

But then a man may not tolerate that and a woman might tolerate that.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Agreeable.

[B]

Yeah. There's definitely a difference between the fuse. The tolerance fuse. Right. That's one of the things I've learned to extend the fuse, to not make it so quick before I take action.

[C]

That's hard. If you have.

[B]

It's so hard. Well, I love coffee. It's so hard. And it's so hard as a male because men want to. We want to fix things. Like we're born to fix things. So whenever I hear a problem, I want to fix it immediately. No, let me get. And so I'll get right to action and I want to fix it when actually maybe all they want is for me to listen.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And just empathize with the problem. Right.

[C]

That's what Saul wants right now.

[A]

I've had to work on that.

[B]

And that's so hard.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Isn't it so hard?

[A]

Yeah, I've had to work on that too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's been. It's been tough, but now I just literally hold my problem fixing thoughts and I just acknowledge and I seek to understand.

[C]

And you keep it in a box in your mind palace for when they're ready for solutions.

[A]

Potentially.

[B]

Yeah. I. I've. Well, so I quit drinking four years ago. That was a major. Yeah, that was a major life changing moment. But very much. Thank you. We're fist bumping here. Thank you. But that gave me the voice inside to stop and not speak.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Because I pretty much would say anything to anyone.

[C]

So that part of your mind was suppressed by alcohol?

[A]

Yes, it was.

[B]

Well, it was. Yeah, it was suppressed and it was also amplified at the same time, which is interesting. Yeah. So I've gotten. I've gotten better at that. I've gotten better at. I'm not perfect. Perfect. There's no way. No, no, no, no. But I've gotten better at it. Yeah. I'm actually like. You ever see yourself as you're evolving and transforming and actually see it happening?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. That's an amazing feeling.

[C]

Right?

[B]

You're going, oh, I'm making progress here. I didn't like, just bite that person's head off.

[C]

And then you. Credit.

[B]

Yeah. You want credit?

[C]

See how much restraint my husband that's so true. Believe I didn't just chew them out.

[B]

Right. Do you do that? Do you say that? That's so great.

[C]

You know, he wants full credit too.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

He's like, look, I did this and people want credit.

[B]

I know.

[A]

We all want credit.

[C]

We should give credit. Yeah.

[B]

I think if we just did that, so much would change. Right. Imagine the love we would bring into the world if we just gave people a little credit.

[C]

I think we should just be excessively generous with giving people credit, you know?

[B]

Excessively generous credit. I love that. That. Yeah, that's a great idea.

[C]

Morgan might not like that idea.

[B]

That's an amazing idea that you just came up with.

[C]

Well, I feel like I am. It has been.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Generous with their credit. Right.

[B]

Like, yeah.

[C]

They send a fruit basket to my room and I'm just like a panel moderator.

[B]

I didn't get a fruit basket. Well, I'm not staying here either, so that's.

[C]

That's probably why.

[A]

No fruit basket for you.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

With a little note that they signed. You know, it wasn't just.

[B]

I didn't even get a note. I got a little bag.

[C]

Sherry makes you feel very appreciated, though.

[B]

I love Sherry.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Isn't she awesome?

[C]

Yes. And so those people that make us feel appreciated, we want to.

[B]

Sherry is very generous with her credit. Yeah, she is.

[A]

Yeah, definitely.

[B]

She is. She. And she doesn't get enough. Like yesterday after our panel, I mean, she put together a six panel module that was amazing.

[C]

Amazing. Right.

[B]

I wanted to say something on the mic, you know, to thank her, but then I felt like this is her show, so I didn't want to do.

[C]

That, but she totally done it.

[B]

She's. I know. I felt you gotta live with that.

[C]

Regret now for the rest.

[B]

I know. She's so incredible. Like the dinner the other night.

[C]

Right, right.

[B]

She brought all these people together and.

[C]

She insisted that when like half the people. Yeah, I'll sit at one table.

[B]

That's right.

[C]

That we weren't spread out.

[B]

I wasn't too happy about that, but whatever. Get over yourself.

[A]

You man.

[C]

You love being. Hugs everybody.

[B]

I do, I do, I do. But maybe then I don'.

[A]

Oh, man.

[B]

What's the riskiest thing you've ever done?

[C]

The riskiest?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

Getting pregnant after the last pregnancy almost killed me. That was probably really, really stupid. But my son was praying for a baby sister every day for two years. And I felt like if I didn't try to have a baby, then he wouldn't believe in God or something. So it was weird. I was like, in a really. A state. But my daughter that I had is worth it.

[B]

It. Yeah.

[C]

And I think she's gonna make the world a better place.

[B]

Great outcome.

[C]

And, yes, I didn't die that time.

[B]

No.

[A]

But those are better the second time around. It was better the second time around.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. I didn't get as close to dying, so.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. But pregnancy is one of the most dangerous things people can.

[B]

It's an incredible. Yeah. Thing that I don't think we really appreciate.

[C]

Right. And I don't want to dissuade people because there are so many people that can't have babies.

[A]

Right.

[C]

Can. Like, that's great. But also, know. Know your risks and get your blood pressure checked and all that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you were on a desert island, what five records would you listen to?

[C]

I get a record player.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Nice system.

[C]

We're gonna. Can I have anything I want on vinyls, though? I mean, I know God's vinyls, but let's see. Oh, gosh. I probably wouldn't use my usual playlist because it's to hype me up and if I'm stuck somewhere.

[B]

Yeah. And you only get five. You only get five.

[C]

I need to chill.

[B]

You left your phone on the plane. Sorry. You only get the album.

[C]

Vivaldi. It's Four Seasons.

[B]

Nice. I love that.

[C]

Sure.

[B]

Nice.

[C]

I wrote a paper on that in my music.

[B]

Yeah. It's beautiful.

[C]

It's beautiful.

[A]

You got a music degree?

[C]

Yeah, my first bachelor's is in singing classical.

[B]

You sing?

[C]

Yeah, but I didn't want to be a star.

[A]

Ed has not been able to get anybody.

[B]

Yeah. Will you sing with me?

[A]

Will you be the first?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you know Elton John?

[C]

Which song?

[B]

Your song. Your song.

[C]

The name of it.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I don't know it.

[B]

I guess it's a little bit of funny, this feeling inside, you know?

[C]

I don't know that one.

[B]

What songs do you do?

[C]

Love Me. Tinder, Elvis.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

You kind of know Elvis.

[B]

Let's do that.

[A]

Let's hear it.

[C]

Love Me True.

[B]

Never Let me go. You have a beautiful voice. Wow. I wanted to stop singing.

[A]

Save the best for last.

[B]

That was amazing. Yeah. Rosa, we're gonna have to do karaoke.

[C]

I know Somebody else did karaoke. I got so jealous they didn't invite me.

[B]

I love karaoke.

[C]

Let's do it. Ed.

[B]

Yeah?

[C]

We're doing karaoke next time.

[B]

We are doing karaoke for sure. Sure.

[A]

We can't officially end the series because Rosa's saying.

[B]

Oh, I know. Are we done already?

[C]

Oh, well, then I had to Sing something different. Are you ready?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So long, farewell Our feet is in Goodbye, goodbye.

[B]

Wow. That voice comes. People Just happened. That's another movie. I didn't see Sound of Music. I know.

[C]

Recognized it.

[B]

I did. Well, I know the song. I know music.

[C]

Somehow you never know if Ed's lying.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no.

[A]

You.

[B]

No, you do know. Stop that. But that movie was released on my birthday. Like, my birthday.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

July 23rd.

[C]

I had five years. It was in theaters to see it. And you didn't go the first five years of your life.

[B]

And I didn't see Shawshank, and I didn't see. Oh, you're the other person.

[A]

There is a connection. And there's one more.

[B]

There's one more. The Scarlet. I don't give a damn. What was that?

[C]

Gone with the Wind.

[B]

Yeah, I didn't see that one.

[C]

I saw that because my dad was obsessed with it, so.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. And there's a lot of people that are obsessed with those movies, which there are. What are your favorite movies?

[C]

Sound of Music. Seven Brides for Seven Brothers.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I really like the Pursuit of Happiness.

[B]

Oh, interesting. Oh, yeah, yeah, that was good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Ever after with Drew Barrymore.

[B]

Oh, you are romantic, huh?

[C]

For sure.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

Yeah. Like I said, I just didn't want to get charming. We should have her on a podcast.

[B]

We should. We should get her on a podcast. Yeah, that would be great. We need to bring celebrities onto the podcast.

[A]

We do.

[B]

All right. If you're a celebrity out there and you're listening to the AI Med 25 Insights podcast series with Rosa, Art, Saul Marquez, and Ed Gaudet, reach out to one of us.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

We want you on our podcast. We want to hear about your life story. Right?

[A]

Yeah, definitely.

[B]

Yeah. What you're not telling Variety magazine or Vanity Fair or Vogue or whatever. Right?

[A]

Tell the story.

[B]

Real story. Yes, that's right.

[C]

Got to save the exclusive.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

It's a safe place.

[A]

So, okay.

[B]

We won't tell anybody.

[A]

That's right, Rosa, where can people find you and learn more about you?

[C]

I do have a website. It's nurserosaspeaks.com and I'm on all the social media platforms at Nurserosa Speaks, and I would love to connect with you there and especially LinkedIn, you know? That's good, too.

[B]

Yeah, that's awesome.

[A]

All right, Rosa, thanks for joining.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

Should we dance?

[C]

Pleasure. We're gonna dance in the.

[B]

Thanks for listening to Risk Never Sleeps for the show. Notes, resources, and more information and how to transform the protection of patient safety. Visit [e-mail] that's C-E N S I N E T dot com. I'm your host, Ed Gaudette. And until next time, stay vigilant because risk never sleeps.