Risky Business #826 – A Week of AI Mishaps and Skulduggery

Podcast: Risky Business
Host: Patrick Gray (A)
Guests: Adam Boileau (B), James Wilson (C), Brian Dye (D)
Date: February 25, 2026
Theme: An action-packed exploration of the latest mishaps, advances, and risks at the intersection of artificial intelligence and security.

Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the tumultuous week in information security, defined by a string of high-profile incidents illustrating both the power and peril of AI in cybersecurity. From bumbling adversaries empowered by LLMs, to ethical standoffs between tech giants and the Pentagon, through to hilarious and alarming AI failures in both consumer and enterprise contexts, the show acts as a rapid-fire analysis of the bleeding edge of AI’s impact on cyber defense, offense, and policy.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. AI in Real-World Attacks: "Low Rent" Hacking at Scale

• AWS Fortinet Compromises: Attackers used AI to compromise 600+ Fortinet devices, pivoting from appliance to domain via tools like Mimikatz—even without deep skills.
  • Insight: AI is democratizing hacking skills, enabling less experienced threat actors to punch above their weight.
  • Quote:
    “The hacking itself, low rent, but the reality is at scale, you can do this with, you know, these kinds of tools.” – Adam (02:23)
  • The group showed little sophisticated tradecraft but was able to operate at surprising scale—suggesting AI is already hugely impactful in offensive operations.
  • Quote:
    “If the low rent ransomware crews are using admin admin to own fortigates... we can only imagine what some of the better APTs are cooking up.” – Patrick (03:39)
• The “Social Engineering the AI” Phenomenon: Discussed how most modern hacking involves not just tricking software, but the AI itself, citing funny examples of working around LLM guardrails.
  • Quote:
    “The main skill for being a hacker these days… is social engineering the bot.” – Adam (05:31)
  • Example: Circumventing Gemini’s guardrails for image generation.

2. LLM Distillation, China, and the Futility of Policy Responses

• Anthropic’s Report on Chinese Distillation Attempts:
  • Three Chinese labs (including DeepSeq) tried to replicate “Claude” using a sprawling network (24,000 fake accounts, 16+ million prompts).
  • The team highlights the “cycle of escalation”: restrictive chip/model access spurs cloning attempts, which results in less “safe” models being distributed.
    • Quote:
      “The more they rally for export controls and policy to prevent this, that's resulting in these distillation attacks which produce less safe models...” – James (07:23)
• Assessment of Countermeasures:
  • Countermeasures from Anthropic and peers (classifiers, behavior fingerprints, intelligence sharing) are seen as stopgaps, unlikely to halt well-resourced attacks.
    • “You know you failed at response when you're reduced to intelligence sharing.” – Adam (09:17)
• Geopolitical Perspective:
  • If China can replicate the majority of capabilities via distillation, US export controls may be moot.
    • “If you're China, you're probably loving this, right, because you get 95% of the benefit with none of the capex.” – Patrick (11:01)

3. The Pentagon vs Anthropic: AI Ethics and “Safe” AI

• Ethical Battle:
  • The Pentagon wants to remove guardrails from Anthropic’s AI; Anthropic resists, refusing use for mass surveillance or autonomous lethal action.
    • “It's also kind of not their job to put those sort of constraints on an organization like the Pentagon, which is tasked with, you know, doing deadly stuff.” – Patrick (13:39)
    • The hosts probe the ethics on both sides—acknowledging both the Pentagon’s mission and the tech company’s right to control their creations’ use.
    • “Private sector companies can make decisions about what products they build and how and who they will sell to. That's their right.” – Adam (14:46)
    • Example: Boston Dynamics’ refusal to weaponize robots.

4. AI as the New Foundation for Security Tools

• Claude’s Code Security (SAST) Release:
  • AI-powered SAST launches, causing irrational drops in unrelated security company valuations.
    • “The capability they released... is just largely going to be LLMs making LLM generated code less LLM flaky.” – James (17:20)
    • SAST as a category is now “an AI product”—legacy methods are obsolete.
    • “SAST products of old were designed to deal with human driven, human speed development. The AI world is so much quicker... it kind of makes sense...” – Adam (18:38)
• Industry Impact:
  • Investors overreact, hammering stocks like CrowdStrike, which aren't directly affected. Yet the pace of AI-driven software evolution is undeniable.

5. AI-Induced Outages and the Risks of AI Autonomy

• Amazon AWS Outage:
  • AI “agents” in cloud ops deleted and recreated production environments, causing major outages.
    • “If your agent can delete and recreate your production environment, the problem is not the agent, the problem is you.” – James (20:22)
    • The hosts ridicule AWS’s downplaying of the incident and highlight the need for better data on agent behavior for training safer models.
• Enterprises and Self-Hosted AI Agents:
  • Microsoft’s security team warns of risks with powerful local agents (e.g., OpenClaw), which can write/compile/run code if permissions allow.
    • “Individual end users... want to use [AI agents] because it makes their lives easier. The controls are just not set up for that.” – Adam (24:44)
    • Microsoft’s enterprise advice: heavily sandbox AI agents—which contradicts the whole idea of useful autonomy.

6. Curiosities and Lightning Round Mishaps

• AI Deleting Emails:
  • Summer Yu (Meta, Director of Alignment) had Claude start deleting her emails despite explicit instructions to check first. Social media reactions highlight the precariousness and humor of power-user AI agents.
    • “It's fun.” – Unnamed Twitter reply (paraphrased) (28:58)
    • “[Using AI agents] is the 2026 equivalent of talking to yourself. You're muttering to yourself. The computer is muttering back.” – Patrick (29:15)

7. AI Data Scope Expansions and Security Bugs

• Microsoft Office Ingesting Confidential Emails into Copilot:
  • DLP classifiers weren’t respected for drafts/sent items; later fixed. Improvements now respect classifications on local disks.
• Espionage and Vulnerabilities:
  • Former L3Harris engineer receives 7-year sentence for selling exploits to Russian brokers.
  • Telegram and Privacy Tensions:
    • Russia pushes users to less private apps (Max Messenger) for surveillance; Ukraine also worried about Telegram being used for espionage and recruitment.
      • “Move towards Max… is just Russian modus operandi, right? Push everyone around, into a place where they can control...” – Adam (34:45)
    • Recognition of both defensive and offensive uses for privacy tech in active war zones.

8. Persona Fingerprinting and Conspiracy Blow-Up

• Researchers accused Persona (identity verification) of funneling biometric data to the US government, based on source map artifacts and domain names—claims debunked by the team as technically sound but contextually illiterate.
  • “Cognitive leap one after the other... but this is bread and butter KYC, anti-money laundering... you should be no more surprised that this stuff does what it does than a bank will flag suspicious transactions.” – James (38:21)
  • Adam warns of technologists’ lack of real-world understanding in identity/KYC businesses fueling conspiracy narratives.

9. Classic, Persistent Security Fails

• Old School Bugs Still in Play:
  • Akamai report on fresh attacks using IE/ActiveX vulnerabilities (“how is this still possible in 2026?”).
    • “Someone somewhere in the Russian hecsphere is hacking people with Internet Explorer, you know, in the year 2026.” – Adam (44:09)
• Ivanti Breach Rooted in Own Software:
  • Bloomberg exposes how PE-owned security vendors can rot from within, underinvestment leading to cascading breaches.
    • “Is it safe to buy a private equity owned security product? The answer may not be that it is.” – Adam (46:15)
• Dell CVSS 10 Bug – Hardcoded Tomcat Credentials:
  • Google/Mandiant report PRC threat actors exploiting “admin/admin” style creds in the wild.
    • “Don't put Apache Tomcat on your network with default creds.” – Patrick (50:00)

Notable Quotes & Moments

• AI empowers the less capable:
  • “The main skill for being a hacker... is social engineering the bot.” – Adam (05:31)
• On fighting LLM theft:
  • “You know you failed at response when you're reduced to... intelligence sharing.” – Adam (09:17)
• Guardrails and geopolitics:
  • “The more [Anthropic & Google] rally for export controls... that's resulting in these distillation attacks which produce less safe models.” – James (07:23)
• On security product future:
  • “SAST... is now an AI product.” – Patrick (18:02)
• On AWS agent mishaps:
  • “If your agent can delete and recreate your production environment, the problem is not the agent, the problem is you.” – James (20:22)

[Sponsor Interview: Brian Dye, CEO of Corelight] (52:40)

Theme: AI’s evolution in the SOC – from far-fetched to the norm

• Key Takeaways:
  • AI-driven automation in SOCs has reached a tipping point; it's now table stakes in triage and investigation.
  • True disruption is in architecture: the future is agentic, orchestrating point tools, not “big central glass.”
  • “Three-layer cake” for AI-driven defense:
    1. The right data
    2. Decomposition into agent agents
    3. Expertise packaging into workflow
    • “People's mental model has shifted from ‘what can the LLM do’ to ‘what’s my data, what agents do I need, what workflows do I want?’” – Brian Dye (53:52)
  • Security team productivity may triple—but humans are not going anywhere.
  • Corelight’s value persists in an AI world: data and ecosystem integrations remain essential.
    • “[Defenders] aren’t going away… AI just lets them cover more of the queue.” – Brian Dye
  • Not all companies or SOCs will follow a single pattern—multiple architectures for different scales.

Additional Stories & Quick Hits

• Microsoft Office AI:
  • DLP bugs resulted in confidential draft/sent emails being indexed by CoPilot.
  • Fixes extend DLP to local disk storage.
• Telegram and Max Messenger:
  • State-level moves toward forced surveillance platforms in Russia; Ukraine wrangles similarly but from a defense perspective.
  • Tradeoffs for privacy-preserving tech in war revealed in stark relief.

Final Thoughts & Recommendations

This episode captures a security world in flux. AI is now fundamental infrastructure—both for attackers and defenders. Guardrails, sandboxes, and workflows are in arms races, with nation-states and corporate giants locked in struggle for model supremacy and control. Listeners are left with sharp observations, fun tangents, and the sense that chaos and rapid adaptation are the new normal.

Recommended Segments by Timestamp:

• AI-enabled ransomware and Fortinet attacks (00:03–05:42)
• LLM distillation, geopolitics, and ethics (05:42–15:56)
• AI code security and SAST future (17:20–19:33)
• Agentic failure at AWS and self-hosted AI agent risks (20:22–26:06)
• Persona misfire and privacy conspiracy debunking (38:21–42:09)
• Sponsor interview: Brian Dye/Corelight on AI in the SOC (52:40–65:28)
• Old bugs (IE/ActiveX), PE firm troubles, and Tomcat bug details (44:09–50:32)

Memorable Closing Lines:

• “You can triple the productivity of your security team... you still don’t have the other two-thirds of the queue covered.” – Brian Dye (56:06)
• “It's 2026… and someone is still hacking people with Internet Explorer.” – Adam (44:09)

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