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Hey there. Do you love referrals but hate asking for them? Well, then you've come to the right place. This is the Roadmap to Referrals podcast and I'm your host, Stacy Brown Randall. Every week I break down why you don't have to ask pay, be gimmicky or promotional or network all the time to generate referrals for your business. We take a science backed approach with our methodology, frameworks and strategies. The goal is simple, to help you take control of your referrals on your terms. In a recent conversation with a client, we were discussing her referral goals. Setting goals or metrics that you are aiming for goes for referrals as pretty much it goes for anything that you want to accomplish. It's important to know where you are heading and it's just as important to know, of course, where you are starting from. But the question becomes how much of your business should be from referrals? It is a constant question that I hear from folks and so I want to answer it in two ways. First, well, that depends on where you are starting from. And second, it depends on where you ultimately want to land. Now, I have talked about this over the years on this podcast. It's crazy to think I've been doing this podcast for almost nine years, but I have talked about this over the years on the podcast. I don't advocate for business owners to feel like they need to be 100% referral based, meaning like every client comes from a referral. It's great if you are. I'm not taking that away from anyone. But for the businesses that I have seen that are actually 100% referral based, usually they think they are and they're actually not referring to, right? But for those that are pretty darn close to being almost all referral based, there's typically a major reason, right? Either they have a main or a major referral source who is funneling them most of their clients, right? Which is like great in theory, until that one source stopped, they would actually probably be in trouble, right? Or they're the only ones who do what they do in their area. Wouldn't that be nice? And sure, we'd all love that, right? But sometimes if you're the only one who does what you do in your area, then it makes it easier for you to get the referrals. And sometimes it's because they've just been around forever, right? Longevity and business doing the same thing certainly creates a reputation and a known factor, right? And so sometimes people who are referral Based it has a lot to do with just how long they've been in business. And in some cases another option is sometimes I hear that it's the types of clients that they ultimately work with. Those are usually the couple of big ones that I hear when people are truly as close to as possible. 100% referral based business. So if we remove the expectation for 100% of your clients that will come to you from referrals. If we just remove that expectation, and we also recognize that zero coming from referrals is not an acceptable answer either, it means that you're going to land somewhere between those two numbers. For my clients, we really want to understand how much of your business comes from referrals. Now and then we determine what do we ultimately want it to look like. We talk a lot about numbers and metrics and we spreadsheet things out. So we are tracking things and we know what's happening and we're looking at things on an ongoing basis, but all definitely on a quarterly basis. I just recently did an episode walking you through how to do a quarterly review like, and with screenshots of the spreadsheets that I the quarterly review tab on the spreadsheet that I actually use, the exact one I use with my client. So definitely go check that one out. We'll put the link to that episode in the show notes. So it's important that you're tracking this and you know what you're looking for, right? And you know what you're trying to accomplish. So let me walk you through understanding what we're looking for in terms of numbers. But for this perspective, I want you to think about in terms of percentages. Because sometimes I think this talking about things in terms of percentages is actually like an easier way to kind of wrap your arms around the idea that what you're looking for when it comes to referrals. So let's use an example from one of my clients. 75% of my clients, before I started working with them, 75% of my clients, clients came through an online marketing strategy that they were doing that required either an in person or a virtual presentation to a group of people on an ongoing basis. So 75% of their clients came because the clients, when they were prospects, had attended this either in person or virtual presentation. 20% of their clients were repeat, right? So they were clients who came back because actually the firm started offering something new. They started offering a new service. So 20% of their clients. And we were just looking at like last year's numbers, right? 20% were actually clients who were clients before but were coming back because they needed the new service that the firm was now offering. And 5% was from referrals. So clearly right there, we know there's massive, massive opportunity for this company, right? They're getting some referrals, but 5% is, like, definitely not where they're planning on staying. So when I look at a business and they know their numbers that well, which is always such a nice thing to be able to see, and they know that, hey, 75% of our clients come from this one strategy. 20% come from this, right? And the other 5% are coming from actual referrals. When they're looking, looking at that in its totality, it gives us a starting place to be like, okay, number one, our goal is to reduce the reliance on the online marketing. That's not to say it's not working. It's working. It's definitely working, right? And it's well done. But it is expensive. And it did require a monthly presentation, whether that was virtual or in person, sometimes more than that. And only the main business owner could do that presentation. So it was like a heavy logistical lift for the business of the business owner of the company as well. Now, again, like I said, said it was well done and it worked. Clearly, it was driving leads. It wasn't driving the conversions as much as they wanted. So even to get 75% of their clients from those lead gens, coming from that online marketing strategy, they were having to go through a ton of leads to get to the 75% that ultimately become clients. But again, it was working. And it did make up 75% of their leads that turned into clients. And it wasn't something they wanted to necessarily abandon. They just wanted to reduce the reliance they had on one main source of how they received their clients. And that is the big takeaway I want you to have with this episode. I'm a big believer in diversifying how you bring in leads and diversifying how you bring in prospects to get those prospects to ultimately become your clients. And when I talk about diversification, I don't need you to have 15 things, right? I do want you to have a couple of things. So technically, they've got three ways that they're bringing in clients. This online marketing strategy, repeat clients, and referrals. The issue, though, is how the numbers are very lopsided. There's no evenness to it. They are clearly reliant on their online marketing strategy that they are using. And the goal, again, is not to get rid of is to just level set with what they're receiving. So 5% coming from referrals, obviously we know there's room for improvement there. Most definitely, without a question. We're like, okay, that's why they hired me, right? That we know that 5% is what they wanted to increase. I mean, duh, it's like only 5%, right? So we know that was the increase we were looking for. But when you're looking at these numbers, the first goal isn't, well, let's try to flip them, right? Let's go from 5% refer to 75% referrals and let's flip that number. We could ultimately get there with this firm, right. They have enough for us to work with and we're putting the strategies in place and all the things we could eventually get there. I'm not going to guarantee you would get there in one year, but it's not so much about, hey, we're trying to flip the numbers. And 5% come from this online marketing strategy and 75% come from referrals. That could ultimately be where they land and where they end up. What we were trying to do is, as we're getting started, increase that 5% of referrals and bring it up. Right. And try to like, hey, let's. What would it be like if we got to 15% or 25% and then we could reduce the reliance on the online marketing strategy and drop that down to maybe closer to say like 50%. Right. And so it's looking at where their business is coming from. But here's what's more important than knowing we're going to increase the number of referrals is knowing their numbers in this way was a key indicator to my client. Knowing where their leads came from. And then the percentage that was converting into clients was a key indicator for my client that there was an untapped opportunity in her business. And that is what I want you to figure out if you have as well, do you have an untapped opportunity for referrals in your business? Let me give you another example. Working with another company and having a conversation with that business owner and had just crossed the threshold of the million dollar mark with the firm and the one growth lever he wasn't pulling yet was referrals. So hitting a million dollars in the firm, some of that coming from referrals, of course, but some of it not, the majority of it not. And knowing that his ability to maybe continue to increase that maybe hit a second million, right? Whatever those, whatever those revenue numbers are for him. He knew he had an untapped lever that he needed to start pulling on, and that was referrals. Because it was the one thing that he wasn't really optimizing and he wasn't really trying to increase. And so he knew he had an opportunity. That's the same realization that this other client had. Only 5% of business coming from referrals, Million dollars in revenue, and I don't yet know exactly how to consistently generate referrals. It reveals to them where the opportunity is. So this isn't like a. Oh, only 5% is coming from referrals and 75% is coming from this other thing. Right. We gotta change that or that's bad. It's not bad. And yes, it should be changed. But I'm biased. Right? But what it does for you as a business owner is it helps you understand the opportunity that you probably have that you didn't realize knowing where your business comes from. So when a client says to me, you know, I am trying to figure out how much of my business had come from referrals, the first thing I'm always thinking is, I wonder how much of an opportunity you're probably leaving on the table. I know with these two clients, because they know their numbers, exactly what we're looking at. So, yeah, our goal for this one client will be to level out. If we could get referrals up, right? And we could get referrals up to 40% and if we could drop their reliance on that online marketing drawn to 40% and then they could keep getting new repeat clients as well. That in and of itself gives us a really more balanced approach to how they're bringing in business now. I mean, 40% is never where I want someone to stay for referrals. But like, we look at this in stepping stones of where we ultimately want to go. So yes, there's work to be done. Yes, my client recognized. Okay, at the end of the day, the number one thing is the opportunity that exists. And that's what you should be looking at. So instead of asking yourself how much of my business should be referral based, why don't you start by asking yourself what's coming in from referrals now and how much opportunity am I probably leaving on the table if I don't have a strategy to actually generate referrals on an ongoing basis, and if I don't have a strategy, actually increase the number of referrals that I receive? Look at where your business is coming from now. Look at what lead gen sources are working for you and ask your question. Where are you leaving opportunities on the table? Right. Where are you leaving? Right. Where do you have gaps that you could close, other levers that you could pull in the business from a referral perspective that has opportunity to it. Now here's the thing. The firm I'm talking to that has 75%, 20%, 5%, the goal may be to keep the online marketing strategy at 75% and increase referrals to that as well. And now we're talking about a massive of growth, right? Versus just kind of leveling out where the business is coming from, but staying where they are. When we want to increase that, maybe we don't want to decrease where the business is coming from. We just want to increase referrals and that's how they would grow. So let's just say for sake of argument, if they have 500 clients and they want to get to 700 clients, well then we know the growth mechanism is going to come from referrals. To move them from that 500 to the 700 based on where they are right now. Or it could be a lack of reliance on one strategy over any other strategy. There's so many different ways you can look at this. And as a business owner it is your responsibility to pay attention to that. You may not know all the answers, right? But at least understanding where your business is coming from, what you're trying to accomplish with that, and looking at your percentages or your numbers and deciding is there another lever that I'm not pulling in my business? Maybe it's referrals. If it is, that's probably why you're here. Do I not get enough referrals? And I need to increase my referrals so I. I'm not reliant on any other singular strategy to fill the bucket of new clients for me. Or am I looking for a massive growth opportunity and referrals has the opportunity to get me there. That's how I want you thinking about should your business be more referral based? Right? That's not what we want to say is how much of my business should come from referrals. It's like what is it now? And then, what are the opportunities that you can foresee? Just some food for thought for you to think about on this wonderful Tuesday. If you're listening to this, on the day this episode dropped and as you're looking forward forward to the rest of this year, just something different for you to consider about increasing referrals in your business and what that would look like but paying attention from how referrals sit amongst all the other ways that you're currently bringing in business into your company, it's just one of those things. As business owners, we need to have our finger on the pulse of so very, very important. All right, remember, if you are looking for the transcript of this episode, you can certainly find that on the show notes page stacybrownrandall.com 414 or of course, you can look at the links if you're watching this on YouTube below the video. If you want more referrals this year, the first tiny step to take is to get a better grasp on the referral reality you have now inside your business and figure out what's possible. 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