Warm Milk, Foot Rubs, and White Claws: ALL The Texts Between Mackenzie & Dad

Summary

Podcast Summary: Rotten Mango – "Warm Milk, Foot Rubs, and White Claws: ALL The Texts Between Mackenzie & Dad"

Host: Stephanie Soo
Episode Date: June 28, 2026
Main Theme:
A deep-dive forensic analysis and discussion of hundreds of text exchanges between Mackenzie Shurilla and her father (Steve Shurilla), plus other family and relationship dynamics, as revealed in police FOIA files following Mackenzie’s conviction. This episode explores the nuances of parental enabling, possible codependence, questionable parenting, and the toxic, often bizarre dynamics between Mackenzie, her parents, and her boyfriend Dom—amidst true crime speculation and dark internet theories.

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Episode Overview

Stephanie Soo examines the newly-released police records of Mackenzie Shurilla’s text messages with her father and others, parsing their disturbing everyday interactions. The focus is on the bizarre requests ("warm milk," foot rubs), the apparent lack of boundaries, speculation around substance abuse and possible enabling, and the ways these familial and dating dynamics may have influenced the tragic outcome of the case.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Internet Speculation Over "Warm Milk" and Family Boundaries

Timestamps: 00:51 – 06:30

• Bizarre Requests: Mackenzie frequently texts her dad late at night for "warm milk" or foot rubs (e.g., "can you make me warm milk?" at 2:43am).

• Internet Theories:

  • Some people online theorize "warm milk" was code for drugs or even sexual favors. Urban Dictionary search by Stephanie turns up multiple wild definitions, fueling the rumor mill.
  • Others (including a high-liked comment: "child of addicts here... warm milk helps you come down from drugs") see the behavior as enabled withdrawal—possibly literal, possibly sign of an unhealthy parent-child dynamic.

• Host’s Take: Stephanie leans towards Mackenzie using her dad as a "butler" for petty requests. She lists a range of entitled commands: bringing tanning oil, editing her photos, buying spray paint, fixing stencils, etc.

  “I could see her just using him as a butler…she asks him to edit her photos…” – Stephanie (05:00)

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2. An Enabling, Permissive Parenting Style

Timestamps: 06:30 – 23:00

• Parental Attitudes:

  • Mackenzie’s parents, especially her mom Natalie, come off as more "friends" than authority figures. Example: Natalie’s response to academic struggles ("a D is passing, so it’s all good. lol", 07:47) shocks the hosts.
  • When Mackenzie confesses to using a fake ID, Natalie responds: “I’m glad you went out and had a good time” (08:14).

  “It’s almost like Mackenzie is the parent.” – Co-host (08:53)

• Substance Access:

  • Texts show Mackenzie’s dad involved in buying alcohol for her and her friends and discussing weed purchases. She keeps asking for White Claws, massages, and Starbucks (11:30+).

• Familial Power Dynamic:

  • Mackenzie speaks to her parents with open disrespect and is rarely disciplined (“never fucking put that on my car again…” 12:56). Steve’s attempts at discipline are inconsistent and not followed by consequences.
  • Despite fights, Steve quickly returns to friendly, permissive texts ("Have fun! Text me if you need me!", 15:14).
  • Host and co-host marvel at Mackenzie’s entitlement, especially when she rants about service ("milk is cold af…" or Starbucks orders, 05:40 – 21:47).

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3. The Sibling and Golden Child Dynamic

Timestamps: 22:33 – 24:00

• Favoritism:
  • Both the Shurillas and outside observers note clear favoritism toward Mackenzie ("golden child") over her sister, Danny.
  • Jail calls reveal Natalie screaming at Danny while treating Mackenzie, even while in prison, with a softer, more indulgent tone.

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4. The Mackenzie-Dom Relationship: Toxic Patterns Revealed

Timestamps: 24:00 – 55:00

• Fights & Manipulation:

  • Mackenzie’s conversations with Dom show manipulation, emotional blackmail (threats of self-harm if he breaks up with her), constant fighting, and hypersensitivity.
  • She’s controlling—demands to know his whereabouts, checks who he follows on social media, and becomes enraged over minor inconveniences (the "birthday vacation" meltdown, 35:00–37:00).
  • Dom often tries to reason with her, to little avail, and is frequently accused or berated in all-caps rants.

  “She really lives in that universe that everyone just evolves around her.” – Co-host (47:28)

  "Dom is standing his ground... you will get influenced by these people whether you think you will or not." – Stephanie, quoting Dom (56:55)

• Accusations of Sex Work and Online Activity:

  • Many texts and DMs reviewed include references to "selling feet pics" and seeking sugar daddies. Dom accuses Mackenzie of engaging in sex work/possible prostitution through her friends ("You let a dude fuck your feet for money," 64:00).
  • Mackenzie’s DMs with strangers involve explicit discussions of selling explicit content.
  • Police find nudes in her phone, but no evidence of exchanging them for money as a minor.

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5. Parental (and Mackenzie's) Justifications & Aftermath

Timestamps: 52:00 – 71:20

• Denial and Rationalization:

  • Steve, in press interviews, insists he's not a "bad parent" and that others shouldn't judge him. He rationalizes his permissive approach as "picking battles" (30:11).

  "I was raising my kid how I felt best at the time.... I picked fights that I felt would help her." – Steve Shurilla (29:14)

  • Both he and Natalie express beliefs that Mackenzie wouldn't have intentionally harmed anyone, even as texts and behavior suggest otherwise.

• Mackenzie's Behavior in Jail:

  • Mackenzie accrues dozens of prison misconduct tickets; her "supporters" and ex-girlfriends appear on TikTok.
  • Despite everything, her parents remain devoted and indulgent, evident in jail calls where Natalie coos over her "cute" sneezes (51:39).

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Notable Quotes & Key Moments

1. Mackenzie’s Entitlement & Lack of Consequences:

   • “If I was you, I’d think twice before you piss me off, and then you won’t have a car, period. So text me again with your BS and think twice.” – Steve to Mackenzie rebuking her attitude. (24:00)
   • “The fact that he still went to Starbucks is crazy too.” – Stephanie on Steve’s compliance (22:04)

2. Explosive Arguments with Dom:

   • "You threatened to stab me in the eye." – Dom, describing a fight on their doomed birthday trip (41:00–43:00)
   • “You would be so good at [manipulation] too, because you read the book on it.” – Mackenzie to Dom (68:00)

3. Golden Child Perspective:

   • "Dom’s mom says she is their golden child. They treat the other sister like a piece of crap." (27:54)

4. Steve’s Rationalization:

   • "If you don’t know me … how are you judging me without knowing me?" – Steve (29:14)
   • "I don’t have a problem with the marijuana use. It was a battle that I would never win." – Steve (30:16)

5. Parent-Child Role Reversal:

   • “It’s almost like Mackenzie is the parent.” – Co-host (8:53)
   • “[Natalie] tries really hard to be Mackenzie's friend.” – Stephanie (8:08)
   • "You just unlocked something in my brain..." – Stephanie, upon realizing how normalized the indulgence is (51:39)

6. Dom’s Family Observations:

   • "There was multiple times, even in the month of July, that he was trying to break up with her. A couple days before the crash, she was hitting him on the highway." – Angelo (Dom’s brother) reporting to police (53:11)

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Analysis & Conclusion

• Stephanie and her co-host continually emphasize the abnormality of the family dynamic—how Mackenzie’s extreme entitlement appears both fostered by her parents’ lack of limits and justified as 'modern' or 'progressive' parenting.
• Host notes the public’s fascination and speculation, but stresses that the available texts, while bizarre, do not prove any crime or conspiracy related to "warm milk" or sex work—yet they illustrate a severe breakdown in authority, boundaries, and constructive discipline.
• The relationship between Mackenzie and Dom is portrayed as codependent and toxic, with emotional manipulation, threats, and relentless arguments.
• Ultimately, the episode builds the case that the cumulative effect of these behaviors and the absence of consequence or personal responsibility played a significant part in the events leading up to the tragic crime.

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Timeline of Key Segments

| Timestamp | Discussion Point | |------------|--------------------------------------------------------| | 00:51–06:30| Warm milk texts, internet theories, substance allegations| | 06:30–15:15| Parental permissiveness, lack of discipline, entitled requests| | 15:16–23:00| Alcohol & weed access, more family dynamic examples | | 22:33–24:00| Sibling dynamics and favoritism | | 24:00–55:00| Toxic relationship with Dom, sex work/prostitution allegations| | 52:00–70:00| Parental self-defense in media, aftermath, and jail behavior|

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For Further Episodes

Stephanie teases more forthcoming content, including deeper dives into Mackenzie’s jail calls, further exploration of her behavior behind bars, and new information from leaked communications.

Stay tuned, stay safe, and see you in the next one!

Transcript

[Narrator/Host]

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[Co-Host/Interviewer]

Does she ask for anything else?

[Narrator/Host]

Oh yeah, I'm going to get into that now 1 comment with over 40,000 likes reads child of addicts here. I was always told, warm milk helps you come down from drugs. So there is no proof that something strange is happening, like some netizens theorized, because I kept seeing. I don't know if it was my algorithm, but TikTok was just like, something weird, weird's going on between her and her dad. But then I'm reading the messages and I honestly would say that this is my feeling. I wouldn't be surprised if Mackenzie is literally just asking for warm milk, like a literal glass of warm milk. And maybe it's weird to some people because I wouldn't wake my dad up at three in the morning to ask for a favor, but that sounds just about exactly what Mackenzie would do. But like I said, I don't know if I would be surprised if she's just. I wouldn't be surprised at anything at this point, but I could see her just using him as a butler. She asks him to make her hot cocoa, bring her tanning oil, buy her spray paint, make her stencils out of cardboard. She also asks him to edit her photos. Texting him, did you fix the pic? I need you to fix it asap. I'm trying to post.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

That's crazy.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

She Photoshop.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah. She sends more pictures and she's like, make those lighter. She asks him to make her pants. And again, more milk. She'll text him at night around 11pm Milk, question mark, question mark. He doesn't respond. Okay. Or not. Then more messages. Will you make me warm milk, please? No response. Mackenzie texts back, are you home? Can you please try to book me a massage sooner than 7? I have a birthday party that I have to leave for at like 6. Mom is telling me to book it. When, first of all, I never even talk to adults and I don't have no money and I don't drive. Yeah. Then later messages show Mackenzie complaining about said warm milk. And she says, milk is cold af I'm gonna drink it, but it's not warm. Steve responds, bring it down. And it's just interesting. I can't imagine critiquing my parents about how they warm up milk. I wouldn't even give a Michelin star chef those notes if I'm paying for an expensive cup of milk. It's just like, a lot. It's very harsh. But that's apparently her dynamic with her parents. One DM between Natalie and Mackenzie. Natalie says, are you good with the D or do you want to complete those final assignments? If My mom ever came up to me as a minor and said, are you good with getting a D in this class, or are you gonna finish those assignments? Guess what that means? That means I'm finishing those assignments tonight, even if I'm falling asleep at my desk. Because that was her way of saying, you're finishing those fucking assignments. Okay. She's asking her about her grades. Mackenzie responds, dude, I don't care about

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

a D. Wait, what is happening? So the mom is asking if she would like to finish the assignment.

[Narrator/Host]

Yes.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

So she's saying, genuinely asking, like, hey, are you gonna finish?

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah. But, like, I guess I'm thinking, like, if my mom.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

No, genuinely, like, are you okay with a D? Like, that's the question.

[Narrator/Host]

I guess.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

So are you good with that?

[Narrator/Host]

Usually when parents ask that, it's more, so you're gonna finish the fucking assignments. Right? But then she responds, dude, I don't care about a D. And now this is why I'm expecting Natalie to, like, pull a mom and be like, hey, you might not care, but guess who cares? The car you're never gonna drive, the outside world that you're never gonna see because you're gonna be grounded. Like, something like that. I'm expecting. Natalie responds, unless you want to fix it. That's what I thought. A D is passing, so it's all good. Lol.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

That is insane response.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah. Yeah. I was reading that, and I was like, am I reading the right person? And I'm like, no, this is Natalie Sharrilla's Instagram DMing.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

Her and their Instagram DMing.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

Holy. This is crazy.

[Narrator/Host]

I feel like Natalie just tries really hard to be Mackenzie's friend. Mackenzie will even tell Natalie about her night out with friends, and she. She'll say things like, quote, they knew my ID was fake. They told me we did leave, and then we went to Grace's. Natalie responds, I'm gl. Went out and had a good time.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

Holy. This is.

[Narrator/Host]

I feel like. Okay, I understand that when you're raising kids, maybe there comes a point where you know that your kid snuck out, maybe, or you know that your kid did something, but, like, maybe you don't confront them because maybe you let it pass for, like, whatever parenting reason you decide. Okay. But the fact that the kid is telling you and then you're like, well, I'm glad you had fun. Is, like, not in a world that I can imagine.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

No, this is like, they flip the parenting dynamic around.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

It's almost like Mackenzie is the parent.

[Narrator/Host]

This is so weird to me.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

What is going on here.

[Narrator/Host]

That's what I'm saying. Her parents seem much, much, much, much, much less strict than my parents ever were. And I feel like my parents were pretty open minded raising us. Like, it's just I feel like my parents are stricter on me now as a full blown adult than Mackenzie's parents were at her age at 17.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Narrator/Host]

In one text thread, Mackenzie is texting Don.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, she was like 2020.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah, yeah. I feel like my parents expect more from me now as a full blown adult.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Narrator/Host]

And so there's another point where Mackenzie is texting Dom about alcohol and she says, how are we going to get alcohol? My dad said make it with vodka. So she's like getting advice from her dad and Dom is like, just ask your mom to go buy some later. Mackenzie says, okay, well I'm waiting for my dad, so give me the money so we can go and I'll get the jello and everything. You can help me make the margaritas for the pregame. Okay. I mean the implication there is like, I don't know, you draw the implication you want. Right. But Dom sends a list of things that he needs. And there's Casamigo's silver on there, which is alcohol. Mackenzie later confirms that her dad got the orange liquor, which is alcohol. And when they get back, I guess the party is being hosted at Mackenzie's parents house. And she says, well, my dad is power washing the deck for us. So if this, if what I'm getting out of this is, is he buying them alcohol and also cleaning up for their party that they're hosting at their house? Like, is that what we are to assume from this? Because that's crazy. Later in other messages, Mackenzie mentions to Dom that she's going to go to the dispensary with her dad. Mackenzie text Dom, this is back in February of 2020. My dad asked if I know someone who has hella female weed seeds, I'll pay. You should give him some.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

That is insane. So they're not only the parents not only buying her alcohol, he's buying her weed at 15.

[Narrator/Host]

Well, I don't know if he's buying it for her or for himself. Right. Or Mackenzie could be making this up. Right. But there's text messages between her and her dad where Mackenzie asks her dad, Steve, you want weed? Peanut butter? He responds, no, lol. I don't like to eat my weed. I'm gonna give you a little. Are you making me milk? Dad? Dad, are you home? Then are you okay? Yes, I'm Okay. I feel like I have a cold. Okay. To be honest, you need weed. I'm worried. Lol. Don't be worried. I actually feel good. Just got irritated that I got it and have to quarantine for 10 days. They're talking about COVID Yeah, that's gay. Af. Covid. Some BS. You shouldn't have taken the test.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

You shouldn't have taken the COVID test.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah. So there's. This is like, a reoccurring trend. Throughout MacKenzie's text messages with other people, she talks about how she can buy negative tests, like tests that show a negative instead of taking that.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

Wait, I'm so lost.

[Narrator/Host]

So, like. Because, you know, it was, like, mandatory quarantining.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

Oh, so as long as you show negative, you can just be out and about.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

With COVID Yes.

[Narrator/Host]

So she's like. She was, like, messaging other people of, like, how to get negative tests.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

Whoa.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Steve later says in an interview that he picked his battles as a parent and he let Mackenzie smoke weed.

[Interviewee/Expert]

I'm sorry if I find marijuana. Not that dangerous is I find alcohol or cocaine or whatever, you know, I. My daughter, beyond whatever else, seems to think or wants to interpret or gleam. She seemed mature enough to handle it.

[Narrator/Host]

I didn't see it as an issue. I feel like they have a lot of issues, but that's my opinion. According to text messages, it seems at some point MacKenzie's dad puts, like, a bumper sticker on her car, I imagine, and this is, like, imagination. It's probably some sort of, like, student driver bumper sticker because she recently learned how to drive. Right. And she texts him, never fucking put that on my car again. Now I'm gonna be late to school because I had to turn around and go, take that shit off. He responds, lol. It's seriously not funny. Like, I will seriously flip the fuck out. Don't talk to me like that. Lol. I'm gonna talk to you however I want until that bumper sticker stops showing up on my car. No, lol. Because now I'm late somewhere that my hours matter. Okay, then call Polaris and get my hours back blocked.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

Wait, what just happened?

[Narrator/Host]

So she's saying, like, call my school and get my hours back. Because she's like, I'm late for school now because of you, and I can't get my hours back. Don't put that bumper sticker on my car. And then she says, blocked, as in, like, she's gonna block him, but she doesn't. Thanks for the laugh, lol.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

Giggle the Father says, thanks for the laugh.

[Narrator/Host]

I just can't imagine talking to my dad like that. And then I can't imagine my dad responding to me like that when I do talk to him like that. Their interactions are alarming. Mackenzie will text her dad in the midst of a fight with her mom. Tell mom to answer my text right now. Right now. Do it. Question mark, exclamation, exclamation, exclamation, exclamation. Are you just not gonna help? Sorry. Not getting involved. I'm just gonna get mad. Thanks for making this the worst birthday I ever had. She texts her dad, never drive my car again without putting gas in it. Like, what the fuck? How are you gonna drive someone's car then not put a single set of gas in it? And then it's literally below the line. It was not below the line when I gave you my car. Steve responds, first, I took your car to get serviced, which I paid for and had to waste an hour of my time waiting for it and cleaned some of the inside because the person that drives it is a slob and doesn't keep it clean. Then when I returned your car to the driveway, I noticed the gas was on empty, so I left you a note, told you when you came home and told your mother to tell you, so be more respect and responsible. You owe me $74 for the service and $25 for the hour. I had to sit there wasting my time for my disrespectful daughter. Here's the thing with Steve, and this is just, like, my context that I got from the text messages, okay? When I watched the Netflix documentary, I walked away with the feeling that Steve and Natalie never yell at their daughter and just go, oh, baby, baby, it's okay. It's okay, baby. Anything for you, baby. Right. That's what I walked away with. But then when I was reading these text messages, I noticed that Steve does yell at his daughter. And I think that's where he thinks he's disciplining his daughter. Right? But then, like, it never really amounts.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

Not my takeaway, though.

[Narrator/Host]

Yes, I know these texts exactly. But that's not what happens, because I'll see him, like, yelling at his daughter, right? And then the next day it'll be like, have fun. Have fun tonight. Like, text me if you need me. And it's like, oh, if my child ever spoke to me like that. I don't think they're going out the next day. Yeah, I don't think they're going out for a long time.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

You know, whatever you just said yes. The Steve just text her. What does she respond with?

[Narrator/Host]

Like nothing. She just ignores him.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

Clearly there's nothing going on. There's no discipline. There's nothing. No consequences.

[Narrator/Host]

Nothing.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

Nothing is being done.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah. In our opinions. Yeah.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

What the fuck?

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

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They literally text like two friends.

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Yes, that's what I'm saying. I don't even talk to my friends like that.

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Yeah. Is there any moment that they are acting like a parent that's actually a regular freaking parent?

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No. I mean, the only moments I saw are when he's like, you do not speak to me with disrespect. Right. Those are. Again, but, like, nothing comes of it.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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Even the friend could talk to a friend. Like. Yeah, you don't talk to me like that.

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Yeah, but that's it. That's all I can find.

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Wow. Wow. These are.

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Yeah, No, I was actually like, my blood pressure was going up reading these text messages I was getting. Like, I was huffing and puffing. It was so stressful. Then a few days later, she. She texts him, can you Please go get us white claws or some shit. White claws or alcohol? Can you please go get us white claws or some shit from the gas station or Mike's, Something like that. I am in bed. I have to get up early and it's Sunday. Can you bring us some, please? We need some. Even the ones in the garage fridge. Then come get it. There are people here. Omg. And then he responds, mom will drop off in a bit. And she says, bet. And he's like, oh, I guess this is the only time he's like a parent. He's like, bet as in better? And she says, bet as in good? Yeah.

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Crazy. What kind of teacher is he? Our teacher?

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Yeah.

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Middle school, High school?

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It's a Catholic school. I'm not sure.

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Yeah.

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Then there's this whole Starbucks debacle. She asks him to go get her Starbucks and he says, what do you want? But I have to go out. It might be in a bit. So he's like telling her it's going to be in a little later. Smaller, medium iced white mocha, sweet cream foam and extra, extra caramel sauce in a chocolate croissant. How long? Dad warmed croissant. What the fuck? Why would you not get my food first? Like, question mark? Question mark? Question mark, Question mark? I would go if I didn't feel like shit. He responds, I'll let you know when I get there. Please relax. Like, what the fuck? I told Dom no because I thought you would actually go. Unreliable af. I was on my way out, on my way back. I will stop. I will stop making me stop what I'm doing. What the fuck? Maybe next time just let me know. You're gonna take five hours and I'll just have Dom do it because he's actually gonna go get it. Like, do I have to have mom go, oh, my God. Question mark? Question mark? Question mark? Where are you? What the fuck? Like, please never tell me you can do something if this is how it's going to be. Oh, my God. Yeah. I'm never gonna ask you to do anything for me again. God damn. Why can't you do it right? I swear to God, if I don't get my chocolate croissant because they sold out, I'm gonna flip out. What do you want? I'm here.

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Is this the same tone that she kind of talks to Dom?

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Yes. Yeah, it's like, very threatening. Like, I'm gonna flip out if I don't get what I want. I'm about to blow up. Like, that's the vibe.

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So is this for Me to assume that the reason why she talks this way, acts this way, is because the parents.

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Yeah.

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Let her talk to them this way.

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Yeah.

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That's why she talks to Dom this way.

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I. That's what I think too, because I think.

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I feel like the correlation is very clear.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Who started this? Right?

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Yeah. Yeah. The fact that she talks to them like, this is crazy.

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Yeah.

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And so he. He doesn't even respond to that craziness. He just says, what do you want? I'm here. The fact that he still went to Starbucks is crazy too. Okay. And then she responds, I texted you and Danny. Danny is her sister. I texted you and Danny what I want read.

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Charilla has a sister.

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Mackenzie has a sister. Yeah. And Dom's mom says, like. Like, it's very clear there's favoritism in that family.

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Favoritism to Mackenzie. How old? Old or younger?

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I think younger. No, maybe older. I just know that Danny is like, Mackenzie is very sociable, considered mean girl, popular by some people, skinny, gets followers on Instagram, conventionally, may be attractive. And her sister is maybe not considered those things.

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What do we know about that? Is it just from Dom's mother?

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You said Dom's mother. Some small comments made by other people. The fact that the Shahrillas never really talk about their other daughter. And then I. I'm like, the jail calls. So Natalee will be on the phone with Mackenzie, who's in prison, and you just hear Natalie, like, fucking screaming at Danny all the time.

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Screaming at the sister? Yeah, the sister is also on the phone.

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Yeah. No. Oh, like, she'll be talking to Mackenzie like, Danny, get down here. Like, Danny, what did I say?

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Really?

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Yeah. And I'm like, oh, damn, you should be screaming at Mackenzie like that. She's the one in prison for murder.

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But yeah.

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Yeah, fascinating. I guess you could argue. Well, she's talking to Mackenzie in a softer tone because she feels like her daughter needs more emotional supports and she's calling from Jet. Whatever. But it's still weird. It's still weird. So these are just like, speculations. Okay. Yeah. She just responds, just hurry. For real. It's already late af. I shouldn't even be drinking coffee this late, but I guess I have to. Next time tell me. You can't go if you don't want a dumb af. Did you just call me dumb? Cuz this shit storm is coming for you. I'd go hide. Mackenzie responds, are you threatening me for no reason when I'm sick with COVID So loving. And then, like, nothing comes out of that either. A few weeks later, Mackenzie is looking for a bag of soil and asks Steve, where is it? He texts her, I don't know, maybe in the garage. Ask mom. She text, she's being dumb as. That's why I'm asking you. Where in the garage, baby? I don't know. If I had to guess, I probably. It's probably buried somewhere. Okay, go buy some. When are you gonna be back? Because my cl. My plant is gonna die. She's just calling her mom dumb as to her dad, and her dad doesn't correct her. There's a lot of fights about the car. She texts him, you are never driving my car again. Disgusting. Don't fucking eat fast food in my car, then leave the trash in my car. Disgusting. Also, maybe try putting it back the way it was when you left it. Don't take my. My steering wheel off if you're not gonna put it back on. I don't think that he took the steering wheel off. I think he took the pink fuzzy thing off, you know? She texts again, you're done. She's texting her dad, you're done. Steve tries to tell Mackenzie that this is technically his car that he pays for, and he lets her drive. And he demands that she speak to him with respect. She argues, if you want to be treated with respect, how about you give it to other people? This is like a huge thing to Mackenzie. It feels like people are only disrespectful when she doesn't like what they do. Like in her English pea sized brain, she's never disrespectful. She texts her dad, have fun in your closet. When you get home, your trash is in there. So I think the whole fight is like, he probably ate something, left the fast food bag in the car, she put it in his closet. He responds, if I was you, I think twice before you piss me off and then you won't have a car, period. So text me again with your BS and think twice. She says, I tell you a million times to not disrespect my car and take my steering wheel off and leave trash, especially eat fast food in my car. But you never listen. I'm just telling you that you're being disrespected. Disrespectful when you start making car payments and insurance payments. Until then, keep your disrespectful tone and words to yourself. The next day, there's text messages between Mackenzie and her dad where he tells her, be careful, have fun. And like, this is again where I Lose my mind. Like, if I talk to my dad like that, I'm not having fun for a long time. Especially not the next business day. Other times, she's texting him. Like, stop being loud. Af. What? I can hear you from all the way up here. Stop being so oversensitive, af. And I'm not being loud. This is her dad texting her. That's not oversensitive. I'm trying to sleep and you're stomping around blowing your nose 79 times. Stop being a woman hater. Stop being disrespectful to your father in some text messages. It doesn't even seem like Steve is trying to discipline her. It just seems like he's trying to appease her. Writing things like, am I unblocked? Sorry you didn't have a good time last night. Really. No matter what, Kens, I love you and only want the best for you. Later in an interview, he says, I

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was on my daughter all the time. I punished her all the time. Okay? It's not. It's not me going, okay? Just go. Hey, go have a whole time. Go smoke dope. Have fun.

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Woo.

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Drive your car really fast.

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I mean, I don't see it in the cellbrite messages, but, like, maybe you can point us elsewhere, Steve. Like, maybe you can show us. Okay.

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He said that. I'm sorry you didn't have a good time.

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Yeah.

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Have a good day.

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Have a good. Be fun.

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Be safe. Have fun. Be safe.

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Yeah.

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Here's some why Claw?

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Yeah, I'm at Starbucks. What do you want? Apparently there's this one time where Mackenzie and Dom are going to Florida. And Mackenzie's mom allegedly was gonna go to Florida just to make sure that they can check into their place. Because you might have to be 21 to check into whatever accommodation they're staying at. So she was just gonna go to Florida, check in with them and leave, which is fucking insane. This is coming from Dom's mom. Dom's mom says she is their golden child. They treat the other sister like a piece of crap. She's the pretty one. She's the smart one.

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She's the. You know, the other one's got problems. Like she. They do.

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They just. Everything, it doesn't matter how outrageous. One former friend of Mackenzie says about her parents. They just spoiled her. So they just kind of let her do whatever. Obviously at the time, she should not have been really just doing whatever she wanted. She just always did what she wanted. She talks to everyone else she wanted. You know, we were swimming over at the Falls. And you're not supposed to be swimming over that there. So I'm assuming this is some sort of, like, waterfall or something, right? Cops came, and she was just sitting there being disrespectful the whole time, just, like, on her phone. And we're like, kenzie, bro, like, we're not supposed to be even here swimming. Like, why are you being disrespectful towards them? Like, do you want us to get a ticket? Like, what is wrong with you? Why are you just always like this? Just everybody, you know, authority, that's not the way you're supposed to. And the first time when she came over to my house, she was cursing in front of my parents, which made my parents not really like her and stuff. Like, mind you, they are high schoolers. I mean, even as adults, like, I find it a little when I hear someone cursing in front of my parents, especially if it's the first time they've met. Obviously, now that we're all comfortable, it's different. But the prosecutor says her parents would offer excuses for her behavior, and typically Mackenzie would walk away from those negative interactions at school with more freedom, less consequences, and her actions being completely excused away. Steve says in the Chris Cuomo interview about people judging him and his parenting.

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Let's talk about people. First of all, if you don't know me and you're not in my life, and how do you say anything about me? How are you judging me without knowing me? Was I leaning in on some things? Yes. Was I harder on some things? Yes. I was, I was raising my kid how I felt best at the time, that I made decisions. I, I, I'm not a bad parent. I, I, I made. I, I picked fights that I, that I would tell, that I felt would help her, and I picked fights that I didn't want to fight with her, and I let her go and I made her make her make her own decisions. And, you know, you know, she's, she was almost an adult. You know, she's, it's laughable that the people think what they think about us. And, and if you're not, and I look at it this way, if you're not in my boat, then it really doesn't matter what you think. As, as the people, I mean, anyone that doesn't know me, anyone that doesn't know me should keep their mouth shut.

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Personally, he's asked by Chris Cuomo, do you blame yourself for your daughter's behavior?

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Do I blame myself? Could I have been a, can I have, could I have advised her Better? Sure. Do I think it would have made any difference? I don't know. Do. Again, I. I don't have the. I. I'm sorry. I. That makes me. I don't have a problem with the marijuana use. I just. I'm sorry. I just don't. It was. It's a battle that I would never win. How am I stopping her? Was I gonna lock her in her room and never let her out of the room? Was I supposed to go with her everywhere she goes? Could I took the car away? Could I just. There's just so many factors that had nothing to do with it. I just.

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I mean, I don't know. I feel like it has a lot to do with it, but. And like. Okay. Watching the Netflix documentary again, I was under the impression like, like maybe. Maybe she's like playing chess with her family, with her parents. She acts like this goody two shoes in front of them and then she's like living the second life outside where she's posting all these pictures. I mean that seems more common than not with social media these days. But no, like just she's kind of a. Like even in text messages between Mackenzie and Dom, she gets upset that Dom is on her parents side instead of hers. This is from Mackenzie's birthday the year before the crash. She says this is the worst birthday ever and that. Well, I would like to think now it's not the worst birthday ever now that she's in prison. But anyway, Dom is on Mackenzie's parents side during a fight and he tries to explain to her, I'm not on any side there. You know, like there's no sides. She disagrees. Clearly there's my side and my parents side. Like literally this is the worst birthday dinner I've ever had. No one meant it for it to be like this, babe. I wish it wasn't. Then why did you argue with me the whole dinner? Like you could have just made things so much smoother. Do you know my dress has a stain on it? Like this is literally the worst. The stain on the dress part kind of threw me off, but it just feels like the smallest things set her off. For example, Dom is looking for a spare key somewhere and Mackenzie is telling him that she honestly hasn't seen it. And then he finds it rather quickly right under the bed. And he lets her know and she responds, oh, damn. And he says, you couldn't look. To which Mackenzie says, you're really getting the attitude. I love how you always just try to cause a little argument. Like how you like how about you. Just leave me alone. If you want to try and cause an argument, like the fuck. Okay, I'm more just fucking with you because I know you didn't look for them, but cool. Get mad. Lol. Talk to me when you're a little bit more mentally stable. Thanks. Bye. You know what? I'm not even gonna entertain that comment, actually. What do you mean, mentally stable? I mean, no normal person just tries to start an argument out of that, so I assumed you're not mentally stable right now. Now, I won't say that it's always Mackenzie starting arguments, but she does seem hypersensitive to things. Lots of things or like everything. She also just like hates the heat. She complains to Dom, my room is literally hot as and my mom will not fix it, so I don't want to be sweating and tweaking all night. Like, she literally will not turn down the air conditioning. She said she turned it on and it was literally on 70, so I turned it down to like 62. Like, what the. Why is it so hard for her to turn the AC on? Like I can't even touch my skin because I sweat instantly. Her. Her slow ass turned it off.

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The AC is on 70. Yeah, she's saying it's so hot.

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Yeah, but also like the power bill. She also complains to Dom that her parents keep trying to get her to watch family videos with them. And she tells Dom, I really hope my parents get the mental help they need someday. Like, if I didn't want to watch the family videos yesterday, why would I want to watch them tonight? She later complains, I love you too. My house is literally freezing. Like, I don't know what the the fuck is wrong with everyone in this house. I just asked my mom, why is it never comfortable in this house? My room is literally like the Arctic or fucking 100. She also complains to Dom in depth about how much she hates her family. Texting, I'm hungry but I don't want to go downstairs because my family sucks. In another text thread, she complains, well, I was trying to fucking take a nap but my dad had to go downstairs and turn the TV up to 800. So now I'm fucking awake. I fucking hate this house. I'm pissed. Of course my dad mind too weak to turn down the tv. What do you mean? He's too stupid. Like weak minded. I'm just bumping right now. So what? He just left it super loud. Mackenzie says, I guess as retaliation that she left her speaker volume all the way up. Dom is still confused about the tv, asking if it's really that loud. He's like, it was that loud to wake you up, bro. It was on like 70. Later, she complains to Dom through text. My mom just ruined the vacation. What happened? One weather gonna be fucked. Like, the whole time. She deadass asked me if I wanted to go to Lake Michigan or Pennsylvania, which she spells P, E, N, S, I, V, A, I, N, Y, A. I don't even know what that is, okay? And she says, why the fuck would I want to go there? Both shitholes. Dom's like, why can't we just cancel and go another time? So all of them were gonna go, like, the sherillas were gonna go on this huge family vacation for MacKenzie's birthday, which is, like, kind of crazy for a birthday, right? And then Dom was going to join, but then they found out that in Florida there's, like, hurricane season. Oh, God. God forbid people are losing their homes and their lives, okay? Because it's a hurricane season. But she's like, now my vacation is fucked, right? So then my mom is suggesting Lake Michigan or whatever state that she spells that I think is supposed to be Pennsylvania. And she's like, why the fuck would I want to go there? And so he's like, okay, well, why can't we just cancel and go another time then when the weather is better in Florida? And she says, cancel my birthday vacation. I am going on vacation for my birthday and I'm leaving for it today and it's going to be somewhere fucking hot. I'm not going to Florida if it's going to rain the whole time. I'm so mad. If a vacay not planned by tonight, I'm for real done with this whole family. They really just gave me the worst birthday I've ever had. This is crazy. This is, like, unreal.

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You can't make this up in a movie.

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If it were in a movie, I'd say, who acts like that? That's so dumb. Babe, they can't predict the weather. A month away, and it's going to be nearly impossible to book a vacay in a night. Buy a ticket to Cali for me and you right now. I have like, $300. He doesn't respond. Dom, do it right now. Book a flight somewhere. My mom said she's not booking a new one. Babe, a flight to Cali for both of us will be like eleven hundred dollars, okay? Plus Ubers and stuff. We might as well go to Universal or just plan it another day, because I don't know if we can even stay with Kyle right now. So he's saying like, they have a friend in Californ, California, but like they don't know if they can stay there. But even on top of that, Ubers, food, all of that. Okay, don't come on vacation then. Fun. Dom tries to reason with her that there's not going to be a lot of options in this type of short notice. He says, it seems like everywhere on the east coast is going to rain. She responds, wow, I didn't know. Nobody knew that there was more than one coast. Wow. Was that supposed to be a smart ass joke? Okay, I just won't help then. You weren't helping at all. You never started helping. I was just talking to your mom, trying to figure out what we can do. Of course you were talking to that crazy bitch. She won't do shit to help. That's how I know you weren't helping at all. The fact that you were texting her. She's the one booking it. Except she's not and she's just sitting in her fucking room. Dom tries to get her to be open to Michigan. Northern Michigan is actually super, super nice in the summer. Do not text me. Why the fuck would I go to some shitty ass Michigan? Literally never say that shit to me again. With a what the fuck? What the fuck? And again, it doesn't seem like there's a plan. But mackenzie is still sending pictures of swimsuits, asking which one she should bring. And I'm like, I thought you're not going on vacay. Okay. Mind you, she's like pissed because there's a hurricane. And then, you know, text messages from her dad read, you need to work with us. And going to the west coast is out of the question. We do not have the time or the money to get there. We would get there and then have to turn around and leave. To which Mackenzie responds to her dad, Steve, there's a lot more places in between we could go to. I'm never going to forget this. They do end up going on this cursed birthday trip at this point. And it goes as well as you can imagine. Okay, they do make it to Florida. It's not a hunky dory time. Based off context clues in the text, it seems like MacKenzie and her parents get into a fight. MacKenzie is upset that Dom isn't backing her up. She texts him, you're supposed to be on my side. The like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Do you have issues? Dom is confused. He has no clue what's going on. And he tells her, I didn't know you were mad. Hope you know you're part of the reason why my birthday sucks. Are you slow? Literally. Do not talk to me. Lmao. I didn't know someone interrupting you made you that mad. That's my bad. But you did threaten to stab me in the eye. Yeah, I don't care. Happy you ruined this trip. Thanks so much for making me feel special. Like y' all suck for real. Dom argues back, you're mean to me. Yeah, when you swear at me and threaten me. Like that's mean. They eventually try to reach a compromise with Dom threatening to leave to Palm Bay. Like, Dom is like, if you're going to keep being mean to me, I'm going to go to my friend in Palm Bay and he says, just don't threaten to kill me. Otherwise I'll probably dip to Palm Bay. Lmao. Okay then. So you just out here complaining? Lol. Get the fuck out then. Go to Palm Bay. The fuck then go. If you threaten me, I will. It's not normal to threaten people. Dom tells Mackenzie, I'm done with this conversation. You have only been mean to me and have tried to hurt my feelings. I wasn't mean to you. I was mean after you didn't have my back. How are you not getting this? You threatened to stab me in the eye after you didn't have my back. Are you slow? And this is like all in caps? That's why I'm emphasizing certain words. Later, Mackenzie decides she's not mad at Dom, but rather it's her dad. She texts him, babe, I just want to go home. I hate everyone. Like I've just been fucking here. Like he picks fucking fights with me any chance he can get. How the fuck am I supposed to be. Want to be nice after he just said all that to me? Like he's being a dick to me the whole time. The whole time. Dom says, babe, you've both been wrong. You kinda dog him. How did I dog him? Calling him five. Didn't know that was offensive. You said something like, shut up. I'm having a conversation with Danny. Look, babe, you're both throwing gasoline in each other's fires. Yeah, I've been saying I'm having a terrible vacay and they just don't care. They've had a terrible one too. Babe, I'm trying to make the best of this and everyone keeps ruining it. It's literally them, though. You got your whole family here and they all care. You can't throw it away. No, Dom, I hate them all. No, you don't. Babe, you're just mad. No, I really do. Like, I love them, but I'm getting the fuck away and I never want to be around them, like, ever. I'm for real. I'm about to leave. I'm done with this vacay. Like, fuck this. Fuck this. This vacay is fucking ruined. Also, the fact that she still, like, keeps calling it a vacay was irking me. Dom tries to reason with Mackenzie about her dad. Babe, you love him. You appreciate him for what he does. He does nothing. He could be way worse. Babe, he does a lot. He has a lot of pressure. Lmao. Pressure for what? That's probably why he lashes out. I hate men. Babe, you will never understand what it's like to be your dad. Give him a break. Like, the fact that Dom stood up for Steve more than Mackenzie ever did, and Steve is out here saying, like, his daughter is a perfect angel is crazy to me. The whole vacation seems to go wrong and I think that's just kind of who Mackenzie is. You know those people where everything around them goes wrong. And like, sometimes that does happen to really good people. And, like, you feel lots of sympathy. But then there are a lot of people where it's like, like you look at it and you say, oh, well, everything goes wrong. Not because you're unlucky, but because you make everything go wrong. Like, of course you're having a miserable time when you're the one making everything miserable. Like, that's the type of person MacKenzie strikes me as. For example, Dom has a bathroom malfunction at some point because the toilet malfunctions. And Mackenzie is just pissed off that he's taking so long in the bathroom, even though he's explaining to her the situation, why it's taking him a second to clean himself up. And she says, ruining my fucking vacation. There's toilet paper. Not sure if you know that. Use fucking toilet paper. Why am I telling you how to wipe like a fucking four year old? Kenzie, I have fucking toilet water on my privates. So he said, like, the toilet flushed randomly and it like, splashed everywhere. Go without me. Leave. Like they're at a restaurant at Universal. Like, go. Leave. Like, I don't care. I' ma call the cops so they can help you. I'm sorry. So mad at you. Like, you really did this? Hell no. What the fuck? Like, now everyone's just waiting. No one's leaving. Like, we are literally waiting for you. And this is all in caps. They won't go without you. What the fuck is wrong with you? Literally acting like a baby. Do I need to come in and wipe your ass? I checked the timestamps. Only nine minutes has passed. So I don't know what her issue is. Like, holy cow. You need to get a grip. I'm getting stressed out. She's texting answer right now. Do I need to come and wipe your ass or we will have an issue. Get the fuck off, Dom. Get the fuck off. Literally a child. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. The we about to have some issue. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. But then things are fine later because he asks where she's at, and she responds, harry Potter. I'm in line for Butterbeer. The producers of Netflix ask mackenzie in her jailhouse interview, did you ever feel in your arguments with Dom, rage that you couldn't control? No, it was never like that. It was always just more like I was. You know, when we'd argue, I would get sad because he didn't really have good communication skills. And we'd be cool after that day or a couple hours later, we'd be watching movies on the couch, eating popcorn. She would just get sad. She would just get sad. I'm so confused. One mutual friend says, Dom and Kenzie's relationship, they were just always arguing. That's how it was. And me and another friend, we're always talking about it. We're like, bro, domestic, like you. He has so much going for himself. Why doesn't he stick up to Kenzie? He can do so much better. Dom shares this story of a trip that she took with Dom and Kemzi.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

Dom is telling someone.

[Narrator/Host]

No. Dom's mom is telling the police. So it was going to be, you know, the whole family. Dom's family. She's like, I took off work. We were all gonna go canoeing. So I packed snacks for the canoeing, the cooler, and all of that. So we had a bag that had chips and, you know, the sort of things that was, like, super. You didn't, like, want to put it in stuff because they would get crushed. So, like, usually on a road trip, you save them for last, like the chip bag, and then it goes in the backseat. Whatever. Well, we forgot she ruined the entire canoe trip. She sat there and threw a fit that we had forgotten those chips that she had nothing to eat. And I kept saying, we're enjoying our day. There's no fighting. We're gonna find you something to eat. We even stopped at this bar. She was not Satisfied with anything? Like, no, nothing. It did not matter what I had. She did not have those chips. So it was like she's explaining, like how they went on this whole almost like goose chase to find her something that she was happy enough eating. And Dom was just stressed about it the whole time because she was so pissed about those chips. And she was very crafty on how she would do stuff because she would stick her digs. You know, me and Angela were in a canoe. They're there. She would stick her digs in her comments so that we couldn't hear. But it was a big tantrum. I mean, everything was a dig. You forgot the chips. You forgot. Okay, I get it. Do you know what I mean? But it's not enough to have a tantrum and ruin the day. Dom's brother Angelo later tells the police that Mackenzie would go through self esteem issues and Dom would want to break up with her because she would, quote, she'd get crazy about stuff, accuse him of cheating and stuff when he's not. You know what I mean? Like, stuff like that. Not constant. But there'd be every couple of weeks or so where they were almost breaking up and then she be threatening to hurt herself, stuff would arise and it would really never. It just wouldn't take a healthy course, to be honest with you. The officer is like, what do you mean? She would go crazy. Like, what's crazy? There are times where she called Dom and said, if you break up with me, I'm gonna kill myself, word for word. And then Dom, he was like a very, very selfless person. And he did. I mean, obviously they were together for a long time and they built a relationship. They cared for each other deeply. Even though Dom did care for her deeply. I'm not disputing any of that. But he's seen all the toxicness that she was putting on to him. So he's saying, like, Dom would try to tell Mackenzie that he would be there for her after their breakup. So, like, you don't have to do anything drastic. Like he's gonna be there, but he just can't be in this relationship anymore. And Mackenzie would just keep coming back. Quote, I'll kill myself, essentially, is what Angelo is alleging. Angelo says that he actually was very close with Mackenzie in the very beginning of Mackenzie and Dom's relationship, to the point where she would go to Angelo to get comfort whenever Dom and her would fight, fight. But Angelo says that he started distancing himself because, quote, I just seen that she was very, very selfish. He says he couldn't deal with it anymore. So he blocked her number. Like, that's how bad it got. Like, he had to go and block her number because she would blow up his phone non stop when she couldn't get in contact with Dom. He'd be in the car with Dom and Dom is driving, so he doesn't pick up his phone and they're just going to go get, like, food and she's just blowing up both their phones. Dom's brother says he witnessed fights and he feels like, quote, honestly, he'll be like, so nice. Dom will be so nice and accommodating as possible to stop the fight. And she'd be one of those people that is just petty. Like, petty, petty, petty, petty. And again, normally I would take anything that one party's sibling says about a relationship with a grain of salt. But then like, I did see all those text messages and I'm like, this seems like more or less at least accurate in my opinion about his characterization. And then she'll be, you know, in between fights, text Dom's brother, like, in between fights, she'll be like, hey, can you do my homework for me? I don't want to do my math homework. Why would I? Why would I?

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

She really lives in that universe that everyone just evolves around her.

[Narrator/Host]

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[Co-Host/Interviewer]

that I think that's exactly what's going on. Maybe the parents talk to her this way ever since she was little. And maybe the parents just chop it up as that's just how she. What? She says she doesn't do anything. She doesn't, like, punch me. So, like, maybe. I don't know. Sounds like the dad even thinks it's cute to talk like that. Like, texting, like, slow af, Like, I don't know. How could you possibly talk to your kid like this?

[Narrator/Host]

You just unlocked something in my brain. Okay, So I. One thing I did notice in all the jail calls, right, is Mackenzie, every time she sneezes, she, like. She does have, like, a, like, soft sneeze. It's like, etch you. Etch you. Right? And almost like every single time, without fail, Natalie will just be like, oh, that's so cute. Which I don't know why. Like, I didn't really care for it, but that just, like, reminded me of it. It's just so random.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Narrator/Host]

Like, the way she's talking to her. I mean, she's. She's a convicted murderer. Yeah, right?

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

She sneezes, the mom goes, that's so cute.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

There's nothing cute at all about this whole situation.

[Narrator/Host]

You're on a recorded line.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Narrator/Host]

From Securist. The jail line.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

Like, is that her default? Like, she's just always like, that's so cute.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah. Everything is, like, very. Mackenzie will be talking about how she ate ramen because she doesn't like the prison food. And then, you know, the mom will be like, well, is it better than last time? Then she's like, yeah, I made it in the shower this time. Oh, that's good. That's good. Everything is. Oh, that's good. That's good. And I'm like, hey. So nothing about this situation is fucking good. But Angelo does tell investigators, quote, there was multiple times, even in the month of July, that he was trying to break up with her. A couple days before the crash, she was hitting him on the highway. While driving down the highway, he had to pull his car over on the side of the highway. Not in a very safe parking spot either, and have somebody else come pick them up and drive the car home because he was scared that she was going to make him crash. And that was just prior to the day before the actual crash, where she

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

was driving prior to the day before the crash.

[Narrator/Host]

Yes. So it's just. He's saying, like, it was very recent to the crash. I think it's pretty clear. The relationship between Mackenzie and Dom is not good. It's always been rough. I mean, going through all their fights, it seems like in the very beginning, the biggest issue was that Dom didn't feel like he had enough space in the relationship. He would complain that he just couldn't even breathe for an hour, which I could can see. And I know, like, some people saw the beginning parts of their text messages and felt like Dom was the mean one, and this was her reacting to his meanness. I think, like, I did see a bunch of tiktoks like that and just collectively seeing it. I would say that they're both teenagers in a relationship trying to figure out how a relationship works. But it does seem like she does not give him a moment alone. And some people just need time to decompress in a relationship. And I feel like that's kind of like. Like, you know, that's a lot of people, but it just. It's not happening. And there is a cheating thing. Now, it's unclear how exactly it happened, but Dom argues that it was all while they were on break. So he's, you know, throughout, he's arguing that this is technically not cheating because they were on break. Mackenzie argues that it was while they were still together. But it does seem like Dom did, in fact, have relations with another girl. Faith, who is a friend since middle school, says on the Netflix docs. And she. She's throughout the jail calls, you know, she's there, so she's a big supporter of Mackenzie. Faith says.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

I told Ken, Faith is a supporter

[Narrator/Host]

of Mackenzie, like a friend and supporter because she's in the jail call. She talks to Mackenzie on the phone in jail.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

And Faith slept with Dawn.

[Narrator/Host]

No, no, no. Faith is saying in the Netflix documentary quote, I told Kenzie, hey, your boyfriend just cheated on you with one of our best friends. I felt terrible for Kenzie. I mean, it sucks to be cheated on moving forward in their relationship. It caused a lot of trust issues. Juice her to be like, hey, who are you with? What are you doing? This is clearly told from Mackenzie's point of view, since she's DMing her friend about it later. So I found these Instagram, DMS. And she DMs her. He cheated on me four times in the beginning. Two times were with my best friend, bro, it, like, fucked me up. You would die. I'm gonna tell you their story. I was a freshman, he was a junior. Literally, her name was redacted. Literally, her name was redacted. She would leave my house at night and say she's gonna go to another friend's house, but instead she would walk to my boyfriend's and him. She didn't even tell me. Me he did, and he was publicly cheating. Literally. Like, they had gym together and would fuck around in school and no one told me. It's insane. In 2020, about a year before the crash, Mackenzie writes to Dom, when you cheated on me, the girls didn't come up to you. You went up to them. To which Dom responds, they came to me. He argues again. It happened when they were on break. And quote, you bring up me cheating, like, three times a week. Maybe because you cheated on me. MacKenzie tells him the energy he needs to have is, quote, you hate all bitches but me. Do you know how many boys I ignore? Like, 30 a day? I'm famous. I need my views.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

What is she talking about?

[Narrator/Host]

So, like, following people on Instagram, she's like, you don't need to follow girls. But I need to, like, follow people and interact with people online because I'm famous and I need my views. She wants him to text a girl, quote, but you can't even text A to get off your dick. I don't even have her number. Get it? She also goes into his phone to secretly block girls that are liking his photos, and she sees nothing wrong with that. But Dom tells her, I get privacy. Like, fuck you. One TikTok she posts. She's reacting to what she believes to be a funny comment that reads, chicks be like, check your man. Not me, bitch. I beat him up already. It's your turn. So I don't know if there was a lot of trust established in their relationship at this point, but one of their more recent fights is Dom seems to be getting fed up with MacKenzie hanging out with this one particular friend of MacKenzie's.

[Interviewee/Expert]

Her.

[Narrator/Host]

Let's call her G. Dom believes G is a sex worker, and he doesn't like his girlfriend hanging out with him. Her, which normally, I am not a fan of any partner dictating who you should or should not be friends with. And I also feel like someone's occupation is not some sort of benchmark for their morality. But I guess on an Objective level. Maybe it could be warranted to not want a 17 year old girl to hang out with a sex worker, but maybe that's still something her parents should be concerned about and getting upset about. But Instead of DOM, DM messages between this is around like June 8, 2022. This is the month before Dom and Davion's deaths. Mackenzie messages, Dom, do I have to pull up? I would answer, I would answer, I would answer, let me know if you're actually ending this. She video chats Dom. He doesn't respond like this is, you know, this is a pattern that we've been seeing. She sends him 10 messages all back to back, let me know if you're actually ending this answer. Now she's freaking out on him and he just asks her, are you going to chill with thoughts? Which side note again, I don't necessarily like the word usage here to talk about someone's alleged maybe occupation, but I digress. Mackenzie tells him, you forced me and made me choose between you and my friend. You are being abusive. She tries to call him, he doesn't respond. He dms, are you going to chill with thoughts? Specifically prostitutes? Again, not the best word usage. Are you gonna show love, compassion and make me feel special and chase me? Yes, of course I will. I'm gonna go out to eat with my friends. When they ask me to go or go roller skating, that does not make me one of them them. He responds, I'm not going to chase you if it's going to be toxic. It's not toxic, Kenzie, you choose the thoughts. We done, babe? I'm sorry. Mackenzie starts demanding he stops hanging out with friends she doesn't like. To which he responds, my friends ain't prostitutes, babe. And you need to unfollow every girl you follow too. I don't care if you quote knew them your whole life. If I'm not allowed to be friends with redacted. Okay then unfollow every boy you follow. Mackenzie asks and you need to buy me something really nice if I'm not allowed to be friends with them. And I don't follow boys. They start arguing about who's cheating on who and if it was cheating, if it was during break or not. And Mackenzie tells them, whatever, Dom, go be single then you obviously never loved or cared about me if it's easy to treat me like this. But instead of letting things go, she DMS him again, why the fuck did you just stop answering? She tries to video call him again, but again, this is near the end of their Relationship. Dom is standing his ground and is telling her, you will get influenced by these people whether you think you will or not. Mackenzie doesn't like that. She responds, no, I'm not. I have a mind of my own. I'm not a follower. I'm a leader. You know that. It's a fact. Why aren't you letting me have a mind of my own? Kenzie, it's a proven fact. Why do you think you and me are exact same by now? We always had lots of things in common, but now we literally say the same shit. We finish each other's sentences. Part of that is because we are only around each other. You know, like, we eat the same foods now. We listen to the same music, have the same interests. Like, I want you to have friends, but I don't want five out of five of them to be prostitutes because I know you're going to start acting different because you did this last time when you were with her. I seen it slowly happen last time. It's factual. Well, I'm a new me every day. I'm never going to do that again. And you know that. Do what exactly? What does that mean? Dom is hesitant. I don't know, Kenzie. Well, if you love me and want to be with me, you can trust me and believe that. Dom responds, what happened last time? That was so long ago. That was not me. Just like you're not a cheater anymore, even though you did last month. That was nine months ago, not three years ago. Insinuating that whatever Kenzie did was nine months ago and what he did was three years ago later. Dom says, no, Kenzie, last time you started chilling with G, you sold your body. Now you're hanging with multiple of them. That was over eight months ago. There have been conversations online that Mackenzie was working as a sex worker before the crash, which there is no evidence of. I do believe believe the police went down that rabbit hole as well. But when you have messages like those, it makes you speculate. Prosecutors later have a detailed section in their brief where they write possible prostitution pandering obscenities. Here's everything that I found going through the FOIA about sex work or potential sex work in an Instagram DM, which we had to comb through like 2,000 pages for the Instagram data for the FOIA. She and one of her Instagram friends are talking about how they got new Dior bags. The friend says, I need a few sugar daddies. Mackenzie responds, real talk, though. I want a foot one in an Instagram DM. April 1, 2022, MacKenzie gets a DM from a guy named Mark. He asks, would you send me a picture of your belly button? Lol. How much? How much? What do you mean? Money. Mark sends an example picture and writes, I would like to have a picture like this.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

Who is Mark?

[Narrator/Host]

Like, yeah, very close to your belly button and in good quality shit. Maybe like $30 for a good quality photo. What do you think about that? No, $30 is way too much. I would spend max $10 for it. It's just a picture. My friends sell it for $50, so $30 was generous. I don't care how much your friends send it. It's just a picture. With an effort of like one minute and you show your body to the world anyway. I don't, but thank you. Stay weird. I just have a belly button fetish though. It's okay if you don't want to do it for 10. Have a nice day. March 2022, she gets a message from a random Instagram account. Can I spoil you? Yes, I'm cool with it. My snap is big cheese Tokyo. Hit me up and I'll take care of you then. March 20, 2022, some guy named Gary Peterson, the CEO. Literally, that's like Gary Peterson, the CEO. DMS McKenzie. How do you manage to being so hot? Hi, beautiful. Sorry if this is going to offend you. Will you be interested in weekly payment Alert allowance of $600 to be my online sugar baby? No sexual intimacy involved, just your online companionship. To which MacKenzie responds, hey, in all caps. I'm interested. How do I know this is legit? Another DM exchange is between another guy, person, individual, I don't know mackenzie. They message her, hello, baby. Hey, how are you doing? Good, how about you? Where are you from, baby? Ohio. It's cold here. Okay, baby. Have you ever heard about Sugar Mama before mackenzie stops responding.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

Have you heard of Sugar Mama? Yeah, I know.

[Narrator/Host]

It's kind of weird, right? Yeah. These are just messages that I found. Then another message between another Snapchat user and MacKenzie where they ask her, can we do this or what? MacKenzie responds, Four bands, which means $4,000. To which the other person responds, you can have four straps of $1 lol. She responds, $1,000. You finger that for me and reach the destination while I'm doing it. Then, yeah, I'm down. Are you a squirter? And she responds, send a thousand dollars. We can link anything you want for 2500.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

She's underage.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah. They respond, you can get cash money in person. No Way I send you anything up front, especially a thousand dollars lol. So let me know when and where you want to do do it. A thousand dollar picks, two thousand dollars to link you for real doing meets. Okay, if you're taking a month between each response, then I'm not interested. She reiterates two bands to link. 1k for picks.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

Link meaning in person.

[Narrator/Host]

Yes. Mackenzie is snapchatting this individual. July 15, 2022. Like 16 days before the crash. You have Amazon Wishlist or cash app or needing help with anything she doesn't. Another, you know, message MacKenzie sends out is apparently from July 19th where she says, send me a band and we can link up lol. The police did find several nude photos and videos in her phone, but there doesn't seem to be a clear indication that she sent it to anyone in exchange for funds. So it doesn't appear that anything really came out of this rabbit hole. However, judging from the context of the text messages between Dom and Mackenzie, it feels like they're arguing about Mackenzie potentially being paid by a guy to do things to her feet. And maybe Dom is just under the impression maybe Mackenzie lied. I don't know. Like, we don't know these are just messages, but messages from January 25, 2022, read from MacKenzie to Dom. You realize I'm just gonna go get a sugar daddy and start selling feet pics and I'm gonna be doing just fine. So this is really your last chance to hand write me an apology or fix this or we really done then March 5, 2022, Dom text Mackenzie. Yet you let a dude fuck your feet for money like six months ago ago. Mackenzie responds, we were broken up. We were broken up and it was feet. Lmao once again. Then leave. Then June 8, 2022, Dom writes her, yeah, I love you, but last time you started hanging out with her, you literally let her sell your body to that random dude and she hooked you up with the dude. We were broken up and it was just my feet. Do you think about it more than I think about it? You ran off and became a prostitute? Because I don't personally think it's bad, but if you do and we're together, then I'm not gonna do it. You could never tell your family you were a prostitute because it's only my business and it's not a prostitution. June 25, 2022, Dom tells me, kenzie, Kenzie, there is always gonna be problems if you're hanging out with someone who got a dude to fuck your feet for money. There are more Messages from the month of June. This is again in June, the month before they're killed. Dom is really putting his foot down on the matter. He even unfollows MacKenzie on Instagram and he stops respond. And she's freaking out while he remains relatively calm. She's video calling him, why the fuck aren't you answering? Are you just reading this? You can't chill with prostitutes. And again, the word usage here is not preferred. But she responds, answer, what the fuck? Answer. He says he unfollowed her because he doesn't want her messages showing up in his primary message inbox on Instagram. Because I didn't want your messages in my primary. I didn't. I didn't think you'd hit me up on here. I thought you was gonna be done. I thought we broke up. I un. Added you on everything. MacKenzie is freaking out in all caps. If we are done, let me know now because I'm so over this manipulation. You would be so good at it too, because you read the book on it. So you know exactly how to manipulate people. Kenzie, if you want to hang with prostitutes, we're done. He tells her that one specific friend especially, quote, she tried to make you her prostitute sidekick type shit. Bring you on her dates and shit. That's weird. So, no, you can't chill with her.

[Interviewee/Expert]

Them.

[Narrator/Host]

She does not bring me on her date. She has never. She did before. And that dude bought you a shirt or something like that shit, like, so weird.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

So it sounded like something happened, right, Nine months ago.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah, it seems like his. Like, if I had to give him the benefit of the doubt, it doesn't seem like his qualm about this friend is based off her occupation, but more

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

so that the friend is asking or, you know, influencing mackenzie to do or like involving her. And she's underage.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah, exactly.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

This is a crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy crime.

[Narrator/Host]

Yes.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

For whoever the party was involved in this whole.

[Narrator/Host]

Police do. Police do pull cellbrite data from her text messages with this friend, and I didn't find anything alarming in them.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

So the text message doesn't show anything.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah, but the text messages was like.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

So are you saying we don't. There's no solid evidence that this happened.

[Narrator/Host]

There's no solid evidence that this happened. It could have happened. And the police don't find it worth their while since MacKenzie is already convicted of being, you know.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

Right, right, right. But I'm saying, like, whoever the dude is.

[Narrator/Host]

Yeah, so she says. And again, like, like I said, I don't know if there's proof of this happening. I just know that they're having a conversation as if it really happened.

[Co-Host/Interviewer]

Right, Right. Okay.

[Narrator/Host]

You know, And Mackenzie says she tried and it didn't work because I wasn't into it. You said I could go. I asked you first. First I let you make your own decisions. No, you told me I could go. So you're not allowed to hold that over my head. And that man didn't even touch me. Kenzie. I'm just saying. They get into another fight. But interestingly, it seems like Mackenzie's tone is softening down compared to a month or two prior. Maybe she knows that Dom isn't putting up with it anymore. I don't know. But he tells her, kenzie, I stand by what I say. She says, where did Dom go? The Dom I love. This is not you. I know you know that too. He says, honestly, I do. And I think he's referring to him standing by what he says, I know you're sad and hurt on the inside, so you're hurting me. You're making me sad. You just ruined your four year relationship in a day and you don't care. He responds, I gotta make it to the top. This is not how you do it. You hurt your number one fan. You should trust. So he's saying, you should trust that I know best. I made you who you are. I helped you grow into a loving person. Because if you knew me at all, you would let me make my own decision like I let you make you yours.

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Who's saying right now?

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Mackenzie. So Mackenzie's like, let me make my own decisions about who I'm friends with. It appears they make up. But like I said, with what everyone's been saying about their relationship, a lot of people believe that Dom was going to break up with Mackenzie, if not soon, maybe eventually. And they think that's why Mackenzie crashed the car. She knew he was over her. He wasn't gonna stick around while she just did whatever she did. But Mackenzie and her parents. Parents refute this. They argue. Sure, they fought, but they were just in a young relationship where both of them were still learning. But ultimately they loved each other and were probably going to get married. They believe that there is no way that Mackenzie was going to crash the car intentionally and that Dom was going to break up with her. They think none of it makes sense. Steve McKenzie's dad in the Netflix doc says, it's tragic what happened to those two boys, but think if it was your kid, what if Mackenzie was using yours? I'm gonna fight for my daughter. And we have ironclad evidence that disputes what was said in the trial. In a more recent interview with the Daily Mail, Natalie says there were three people in the car. Anything could have happened. Anything. So all these people creating all these stories, it's just a bunch of story time. Nobody knows. Natalie says Mackenzie, still behind bars, loves Dom and struggles with the loss. But it's not like she sits there, you know, 24 7, not sleeping, eating, thinking about Dom and what happened. Mackenzie has actually been pretty busy behind bar. She has roughly 36 misconduct tickets for violating prison rules. Her alleged ex girlfriends have come out onto TikTok to talk about dating her and her jail calls have been leaking online. Not even leaking. They've just been released in the public foia. All things that we are going to cover in the next part of this series. So with that being said, stay tuned, stay safe and I will see you in the next one.

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