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Walmart app Hey, Ryan Reynolds here wishing you a very happy half off holiday because right now Mint Mobile is offering you the gift of 50% off unlimited. To be clear, that's half the price, not half the circle. Mint is still premium unlimited wireless for a great price. So that means a half day. Yeah, give it a try@mintmobile.com Switch upfront payment of $45 for a 3 month plan equivalent to $15 per month required new customer offer for first 3 months only Speed slow 135 gigabytes of networks busy taxes and fees extra see mintmobile.com. These are the people, the high profile people that have been connected to Epstein and Ghislaine and the trafficking ring and why the Internet believes that many of them need to be and thrown into a cell with the key dumped into the frickin Pacific Ocean. Some of these names are going to sound oddly familiar and they have always been associated with Epstein and Ghislaine. Others are going to have been loosely connected. But now with renewed interest in this case, with the Epstein files being dropped, new emails being revealed, and even Virginia Duffrey's memoir that was published posthumously, these people have been more present in the news in connection with Epstein. So consider this a guide of all the people, places and things that you may need to know before the documents drop and why many of these people could be someone theoretically, hypothetically, that would want the files to be suppressed, who would want Virginia to be silenced, who will probably try their best to make sure we never know what happened. It's better to put a name and face to these people rather than say, hey, they're making sure they never get justice. So exactly which rich and powerful people are we talking about? Like I said, we've already done a multi part series on Epstein and Ghislaine where we did talk a lot about Virginia Duffre. But just a quick refresher. Virginia Duffre spent more than two years traveling with with Epstein and Ghislaine. She was one of the most high profile survivors considering she has been very outspoken against Prince Andrew. She has been very passionate for advocating for the end of trafficking and for exposing the elite for what they've done. She's also spent a great deal of time at Epstein's island and she says in her book, quote, I knew their cruel habits and those of the men to whom they trafficked me. I saw these men. I endured them up close. She says that she recalls being trafficked to, quote, the former governor of a Western state, a respected U.S. senator, and so many scientists. And as I've said, usually when I was trafficked to these men, Epstein didn't introduce us or tell me their names or their titles. Some critics have insinuated that there's no way I could remember these men, given the Xanax and the alcohol that I sometimes relied upon to survive in those years. But to them, I simply say this. When a man has been on top of you, his face just inches from your own, you remember him. You may not remember the exact day, date or time that the man abused you, but his face stays in your mind even when you wish it wouldn't. She writes, seeking to silence me. My powerful enemies have threatened to bankrupt me and even to have me killed. I haven't stopped talking. When I was a sex slave, I had no say. I promised myself that I will never have no say again. These are the main people that she has named in her book that she states she has been trafficked to. I remember when I worked in retail, we were told repeatedly through training that we were to never assume one's familial relation to the person that they walk in with. That is the very professional way of saying, hey, don't assume that the man is the dad and the girl is the daughter, because they could be dating. Now, obviously this is not for when one Party appears to be underage or in distress. That's clearly a different set of training rules. This is for when you see some 25 year old walking in with someone who looks to be about 60, who looks old enough to be their father. That's what that applies for. I mean, thankfully, most of these couples know that they will likely confuse retail workers. So they'll typically establish some sort of relationship. They'll have a little show of a hey, we're not actually dad and daughter. But there have been times where mistakes have been made. But every single person in this Gap Kids store that Virginia Giuffre walks into should know what's going on. On. They should be able to tell that Virginia was indeed a minor and she was indeed not shopping for clothes with her grandfather, even though he looks like her grandfather. He's in his 60s and she looks to be 14, 15. And technically this is Gap Kids, so all of this checks out. However, no grandfather is going to passionately persuade his granddaughter to pick the shortest tops that show her entire stomach and the smallest shorts that are not even in her size to show half of her bottom. Like, there's just no way that's her grandpa. And they're right, because it's not her grandpa. This is Ron Eppinger. This is the second man that traffics Virginia Duffrey. The first man is Virginia Duffrey's own father. She alleges that he traffics her to a family friend. And the third being Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. Ronald Eppinger is the founder of Perfect 10 modeling agency, which I don't foresee any of this sounding like a life altering revelation, but Perfect 10 was not a legitimate modeling agency. Though if you were to briefly look into it, it might look like one. Because they do have professional stylized photo shoots, collaborations with brands. They have models who would be hired to walk runways. But that's not the purpose of the agency. This is a highly predatory, highly profitable business structure in which Ron Eppinger would go hunt down young women from Eastern Europe, bring them to Florida and run a $1,000 a night escort service. He usually only preyed on European children until he meets Virginia. Virginia had just run away from growing together, which we'll get to more later. But it's essentially just another predatory facility that helps parents kidnap their own kids to stick them in this facility to make them more obedient, more teachable, more moldable, more whatever adjective parents want to pay for. It's obviously not a great place with assault, violence, sa being heavily present and Even just the psychological torture. Virginia says they would force the girls that are 13 to maybe 17 years old to stand in front of a mirror and passionately berate themselves at the top of their lungs. She says that they were forced to scream at their own reflections. I am a whore, a slut, a druggie, while staring into their own eyes. I mean, it's basically a torture prison. They even have a solitary confinement cell. I mean, it's a sick experiment. Virginia recalls that every Wednesday they would have nasty mushroom soup. You're forced to eat everything on your plate every day, even if you hate it. Virginia hates mushroom soup, or at least she hates this variation of it. And most Wednesdays she would be able to push through. But one particular Wednesday, she feels like she needs to throw up. The guard is screaming at her to eat, and Virginia says, quote, but after a few spoonfuls, it wouldn't stay down and I vomited into my bowl. The guard's face broke into a sadistic smile. No problem, she said. Now eat until that bowl is empty. Virginia ends up running away and hitchhiking just to get anywhere far away from growing together. Because they growing together, they're gonna find you and they're gonna bring you back to the ninth circle of hell. Virginia just ends up staying at a guy's house. They were smoking weed on the beach together and he offered, which it's not like she has a lot of choices at this point. She's a 15 year old runaway and she says, I was worried that he wanted sex, but I was wrong. When we got to his place, we just smoked some more pot and then he found me a clean towel so that I could take a shower. Please be gone by the morning, he said before he went to go to bed. I go to work early and please don't fuck up my house. House. Do the right thing, Virginia writes, end quote. Not all men are monsters. The next person that she ends up hitchhiking with is he is a man who appears to be a construction worker. He claims that he's going to the same place that she's going, but when she looks up, he's driven to a parking lot of a motel. And he tells her, come upstairs with me. It's only going to take a second. I owe somebody money, I need to pay them back. She follows him up and immediately when he closes the door to the motel room, it's too late. He pulls out a gun, jams it into her mouth and essays her. She says, quote from the front first, then from the back. He would choke her until she lost consciousness, only to choke her again when she comes to. And then his phone rang mid assault. He threatens to kill her if she runs away. But also she's thinking he probably will anyway, so she books it. And that's how she ends up sitting on a curb in Florida trying to block out all this trauma, trying to figure out how not to go back to growing together or the house that she states that she was being essayed in when this very fancy limousine pulls up right in front of her. And I say states because her dad has been very vocal and has been denying the allegations. So just legally speaking, but personally, I mean, I have opinions. This limo pulls up right in front of her and the window rolls down and it's this old wrinkly man. He's balding, and he's eyeing her up and down. Oh, you poor baby. Virginia looks inside and next to this old balding man, there's this very young girl who looks about Virginia's age in this very short red dress. And she's staring and she's smiling at her. And they. They seem kind of friendly. The man sounds like a grandpa. Come in here so we can take care of you. Ron Eppinger tries to get Virginia to trust him by way of sympathy. The textbook I am a sad, vulnerable old man. How could I ever harm someone when I'm so fragile myself? He tells her. I had a daughter once, Susan Marie. She died when she was 15. She was in a truck. The driver fell asleep and crashed into a utility pole in Pompano Beach. I've never gotten over it, you know, Virginia says in her book. And for that moment, I feel sorry for him. That's when he reaches for me and strokes my hair. If you want, I can be your new daddy. This is how Virginia Duffrey starts getting trafficked by Ron Eppinger. He starts a new string of felonies by taking Virginia to a restaurant to eat where she says she eats like an animal because she's starving, and then to Gap Kids to shop for her, buying clothes that at that point, why even shop at Gap Kids, these clothes barely cover her. Takes her to a lingerie store where it appears that the workers know Ron Eppinger because they don't look at all confused at why this much older man that has not one hair to his name on his bald head, why he is purchasing a G string underwear for someone who appears to have just left a middle school bus. They don't bat a single eye, and he picks out every lacy thing before taking Virginia back to his house, where there are at least five other girls, alarmingly young, probably minors, fully unclothed and or almost fully there. Then he takes Virginia to his room, which horrifyingly has a circular bed and a mirrored ceiling, and he announces that she's going to be sleeping with him tonight. He called her Baby. And Virginia writes in her book, I am the youngest girl there, so the nickname sort of fits. I want to become someone new so badly that I accept it. Baby is now who I am, which I don't think any of you would ever say. But if anyone were to say something inherently as brain dead as well, why would she get into this man's limo? Which, honestly, I think questions like that should be part of some sort of standardized test to determine one's comprehension level. But if you were to ask such a thing, please remember, Virginia says, this is just some of what I've been through before I met Eppinger. Perhaps it explains why I so readily got into a limousine with an old man I didn't know. It wasn't just that I'd been brutally essayed a few hours before barely fleeing with my life. No, I had felt worse than worthless for years. Sometimes I worried that what the counselors that growing together made me say was true. That I was a whore, a slut and a druggie, which clearly we all know and Virginia knew eventually is not the case, because Ron Eppinger is clearly the problem. Virginia states that not only did Ron Eppinger target children, he wanted them to look more like children. According to Virginia, before he demanded intimate relations, he would force her to shave. He wanted her to resemble a teen Barbie doll, and then told her that she needed to watch X Rate Content and be grateful to him for letting her, a child, sleep with him, a 63 year old balding predator, because, quote, he was teaching me valuable skill how to please men. What's frankly bizarre about this entire situation is that Virginia states that he would drive her around South Florida in his convertible because he liked to show off his fast car and a girl in the passenger seat, in my humble opinion, to cover up for his lack of manhood downstairs and what other laughable condition he may have. But according to Virginia, he would require that she be topless. And she clearly looks like a child. Nobody notices, nobody pulls them over, nobody arrests Ron Eppinger. Some people can't even drive to Target to run errands without getting pulled over. And you're telling me Ron Eppinger is just doing a full bus tour of the city, showcasing his Crimes, and nobody says anything. I'm sure there are police cars all around the street where they drive around. They haven't driven past, what, one patrol officer or anybody who makes a call or do something about it. Exactly. Ron Eppinger. I mean, he just gets away with it for so long. Virginia makes a clarification in her book that in some reports, including a widely read book on Epstein. And I think that these clarifications are so important. There's so many clarifications throughout the book, and it's very interesting to see what the media got wrong because, I mean, this case is so heavily talked about. And she states that in one widely read book on Epstein called the Perversion of Justice, the Jeffrey Epstein Story. The author, who is a journalist, she writes about how Virginia was swept away by Ron Eppinger's lifestyle. Seeing other girls get expensive clothes and jewelry. And Virginia starts thinking the lifestyle isn't just exciting. Maybe it's an acceptable way to earn a living. Which, even if that were the case, Virginia was 15 at the time. But Virginia says that's not the case. She says, quote, I wasn't excited. I was a defeated, hopeless child. I knew what was happening wasn't really. Virginia writes, in fact, quote, soon after Eppinger began trafficking me to his friends. I knew how it felt like to be a puppy picked from a litter, just hoping its new owner wasn't the whipping kind. I was merely trying to survive. Virginia states that she was held captive for six months before she was, quote, given away to Ron Eppinger's friend, who embodies the phrase birds of a feather flock together. He's heinous, too. And in 2011, Ron Eppinger finally pleads guilty to charges of, quote, smuggling aliens to the US for the purposes of sex work. And the consequences of that? 21 months in prison and a $6,000 fine. What? Also he would have to forfeit his beloved limo and his boat. There are speculations that the FBI knew what he was doing for a really long time and just let it happen. There is a massive file released by the doj. It's in the FBI vault on Eppinger, Ronald Eppinger. It's a good starting point to go down if you're really interested, but there is a large amount of things redacted from that file, so keep that in mind. Mind. And it just makes people wary because is that what the Epstein files is going to look like in a few weeks when it's released, with everything redacted? Virginia's dad is A maintenance man at the massive country club Mar a Lago in Palm beach, famously infamously owned by Donald Trump. That's crazy. Really. Virginia's dad was in charge of making sure all the red clay tennis courts were suitable for very wealthy people to play on, which. Which is not an easy job. Wealthy people love to complain. And that is. When Virginia is 17 years old, she's desperate. She needs a job. She asks her dad, if you can help me get something. At Mar a Lago, she applies for a position as a locker room attendant. She says, quote, my duties in the locker room. Where to? You know, make tea. I've never made tea before, so that was fun. Learn how to make tea. Clean up after the ladies who had just been in the locker room. Make sure the bathrooms were kept nice and tidy. You fold the toilet paper into a little triangle every time anyone went to the toilet. Clean up the sink area. It was very crazy job. Crazy enough that just to be folding toilet paper and making tea. They make Virginia undergo a drug test, which. Okay, standard, fine, right? But also like a polygraph. For what reason? I don't know what. When you get hired at the Mar a Lago, I guess you have to undergo a polygraph. Nevertheless, she starts working there. She's studying the employee handbook, which is this hefty 65 page filled to the brim with half rules, half digs at people. So instead of writing things like, like please maintain personal hygiene, it reads things like, body odors are offensive, even down to the ear. Accessories, one per lobe, each no larger than a dime, which Virginia says the rules actually made her feel better. She said it felt good to work at a place that was serious because she hoped people would take her seriously.

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Hey, Ryan Reynolds here wishing you a very happy half off holiday because right now Mint Mobile is offering you the gift of 50% off unlimited. To be clear, that's half price, not half the service. Mint is still premium unlimited wireless for a great price. So that means a half day. Yeah, give it a try@mintmobile.com Switch upfront payment of $45 for three month plan equivalent to $15 per month required new customer offer for first three months only. Speed slow after 35 gigabytes of networks busy taxes and fees extra see mint mobile.com. She actually gets very inspired working there and she says that seeing how calm and de stressed all the guests appear, which I mean makes sense considering Mar A Lago is regardless of opinions, objectively a very exclusive club to get into the initiation are in the hundreds of thousands and it would make sense that the average net worth of a member would be at least a few million. But there are a lot of members that are worth billions as well. So yes, they should seem really relaxed. But at the same time, Virginia says she wants to work her way up to being a masseuse so that maybe she could, quote, make a living by helping others reduce stress. I believed I might finally leave my abusive past behind. Now at Mar A Lago she meets Donald Trump and I will say as an American, the mere mention of Donald Trump's name, who happens to be the president, makes people break out into a sweat for vastly different reasons. And I'm not here to convince you of one thing or another. I think I've made my political stance pretty clear over the years. But we try as a team on RM specifically to make sure that the main message of each video though I do believe that our bias do tend to creep in politically speaking, not because of our lack of trying, but because we are quite passionate outside of these episodes. But for this episode specifically we are going to try to swim across the Pacific and try to take out all the political opinion. There are a lot of great channels that cover the topic in depth with a lot of political insight and opinions. Great channel is again subjective. What I think is great, you might not think is great. I don't think that those channels are lacking from any platform. But our intention is that this serves as a deep dive so you can see the social commentary or the feelings behind each person named enlisted. Instead of me just telling you how I feel about it, it should in theory give you a much clearer vision of all the things that are being said out there online. So if we just showcase our thoughts and feelings, it would not be as broad of a view. So with that being said, said, Virginia does meet Donald Trump. She is introduced by her dad and she says Trump couldn't have been friendlier, telling me it was fantastic that I was there. Do you like kids? He asked. Do you babysit at all? He explained that he owns several houses next to the resort that he lent to friends, many of whom he had children who needed tending to. I said yes, I had babysat before, she says. Soon I was making extra money a few nights a week minding the children of the elite. That is until one time day There is a car driving behind her slowly on the property Mar A Lago property. The car has tinted windows and a man in the front, Juana Lesi, the driver, and in the back is just one Mar A Lago Maxwell. Virginia writes that she never even knew that this car spotted her walking to work until way later, but quote I didn't know it yet, but once again a predator was closing in. This one, however, would prove different from any I've met before. This was an apex predator, as greedy and demanding on the inside as she appeared to be be beautiful, poised and self assured on the outside. Again, I wish I could say that I saw through Maxwell's polished facade that I felt the immense threat she posed to me. Instead, my first impression of Maxwell was the same one that I formed when I greeted any well heeled Mar? A Lago guest. I'd be lucky, I thought, if I could grow up to be anything like her. Virginia doesn't meet Ghislaine Maxwell until one day the other girl that works at the spa can't be at the front desk. So instead of tending to the locker room sudd, Virginia's at the front desk and it's so slow she's just reading her book on massage therapy because again, her dream is now to become a masseuse. And then she looks up and there is this woman with a hideous bob and a British accent. Virginia doesn't stoop so low to call Ghislaine's bob hideous. In fact, I guess you could say Ghislaine's bob is objectively chic. I guess, if you are threatened with a weapon. But fuck Ghislaine and fuck her hideous bob. Okay. And her bag that probably cost more than Virginia's dad's car is how Virginia sees it. But she shakes Virginia's hand and introduces herself as Ghislaine Maxwell. She looks down at Virginia's massage book. Are you interested in massage? How wonderful. Do you massage on the side? Virginia says she starts freaking out because she's like, oh, no, no. I don't want to give this person the wrong impression. Like I. I'm not even trained. But I hope to learn someday. I'm sure you'd be terrific. Ghislaine tells her that she's friends with a very wealthy man, also a member of the Mar A Lago Club, who is looking for a massage therapist who can travel to travel with him. Will you come in for an interview? Virginia's hesitating, but Ghislaine picks up on it and tells her it's not about what she knows right now. It's about her determination to learn. If she can impress this wealthy rich man, he would be more than happy to fund her training sessions. He's a mathematician. He's got this knack for making money and he loves helping people. Besides, he lives right here in Palm beach, just two miles from the club. Come meet him tonight after, after work. Virginia writes in her book. Even Today, more than 20 years later, I remember how excited I felt. If you've watched our previous deep dives on the Epstein case, you are familiar that Virginia excitedly tells her dad about this life changing opportunity. He drives her to the house where she's taken into the massage room where an old hairy man is laying naked, face down. Ghislaine instructs her on how to massage him. Virginia describes in the book quote, when we got to his buttocks, I tried to glide past them, landing on his lower back. But Ghislaine put her hands on top of mine and guided them to his rear. It's important that you don't ignore any part of the body, she said. If you skip around, the blood won't flow right. They both Ghislaine and Epstein assault Virginia. Virginia writes that she just this is the moment something cracked inside of me. Epstein and Maxwell laughing at my underwear, which were dotted with tiny hearts. How cute. She still wears little girl pants, panties, Epstein said. So they force Virginia to massage Epstein, then they assault her. And then they force her to wash Epstein in the shower, shampoo, condition his hair, while Epstein gives her just one of many countless lectures. Virginia says, from the first meeting, Epstein wanted me to regard him As a mentor and not a predator, he would give lessons on game theory. AI Just like anything that is mind numbingly, he just wanted to be the smartest person in the room. And then afterwards, Virginia is forced to pat him dry with a towel before they lead her outside with two $100 bills shoved in her hands. And they're smirking as they tell her, this is probably what you make in a week at that spa. And the driver takes her back home. Virginia says, the entire car ride, all I knew as the black Suburban headed west was that I felt gutted, as if someone had reached down my throat and scraped out my insides with a silver spoon. Also, another thing to note, perhaps clarify, is that everyone in the media was under the impression that the house was white. Virginia writes in her book that that was years later, in the summer of 2000. The home we pulled up to was a garish pink, the color of Pepto Bismol. Yeah, the house was painted all pink. And this is his Palm beach house. And Virginia explains, Epstein took delight in explaining to me, for example, that he had painted his house pink because I love pink. Pink is for pink. And later quote, epstein liked to tell friends that women were merely a life support system for their private parts. He also apparently stated, I'm not a sexual predator. I'm an offender. It's the difference between a murderer and a person who steals a bagel. This is how Virginia becomes a prisoner of Epstein and Ghislaine for the next two years. She writes, my job was to do whatever they asked, whenever they asked it. There were no bars on the windows or locks on the doors. Doors. But I was a prisoner trapped in an invisible cage. For a few weeks, maybe months, Virginia is balancing work at Mar a Lago and then going to Epstein's house to train for massages. It's very complicated and understandable. It's a. It's like a psychological response. She's been essayed already, so she's been traumatized. She feels gutted. However, they keep charming her to come back and promising her that this isn't for nothing. If you keep doing well, we're gonna get you officially trained so that you can quit this job and become a masseuse. If she stops now, then all of this trauma she endured would be for nothing. But if she comes over a few times, maybe they would pay for her to get trained. So under this very complicated feeling, she keeps going back, and she says, in short, and again, please read her book. But in short, she explains, as Epstein used me to satisfy his Perverse appetites. I rationalized that perhaps he might also help me to better myself. In those initial weeks with Epstein and Maxwell, I told myself I could weather this too, and maybe even come out ahead. Virginia goes there to massage Epstein. When he finally asks, how about you quit your job at Mar A Lago and work for me full time? He gives her a wad of cash. $2,500. This is like the most 17 year old Virginia has ever seen. Rent yourself an apartment. It's not like she jumps at the chance to work for him. She admits it felt foolish to rely on him for my livelihood. Epstein must have sensed my qualms because he walked around his desk, picked up a grainy photograph and handed it to me. The image had been taken from some distance, but it was unmistakably my little brother sky, the one that I was telling you about to go follow. He was walking away from the camera. I could see his backpack and the outline of the side of his face. I felt a stab of fear. Why did Epstein have a photo of the person I loved most in the entire world? Epstein tells her that they know where her brother goes to school and quote, you must never tell a soul of what goes on in this house. And I own the Palm Beach Police Department so they won't do anything about it anyway. Virginia leaves Mar A Lago as her place of employment and this is going to be a huge part of the Epstein and Donald Trump saga. If you're not familiar in the massive Google Doc dump, there are multiple emails between Epstein and others that consistently reference Donald Trump. Depending on which aisle of the political party you're on, you will have very different interpretations of said emails. I'm going to try to do my best to aggregate both sides opinions and sentiments to give you a full picture of what's going on and what people are thinking about it. We went to channels of well known left wing commentators as well as right wing commentators as well as mainstream media networks, along with Reddit, to see what comments people were having from both sides and opinions. And it's just vastly different. And we went through hours of trying to see, okay, well is there at any point people come to some sort of agreement on any topic? And, and no, there is not. I don't think it would be productive for me to even try to get you to come to a point. So you, you gotta come to your own points at this point. One email from Epstein to Ghislaine in 2011 reads, I want you to realize the dog that hasn't barked is Trump redacted victim spent hours at my house with him. He has never once been mentioned. Police chief, et cetera. I'm 75% there. The redacted 75% there mean we don't know. A lot of these emails are just like all over the place now. The redacted victim has since been released as Virginia Dufres. Many netizens believe that this implicates Trump, placing him at the same place, in Epstein's house, of all places, with a victim, a known survivor, and the dog that hasn't barked. I mean, clearly Trump knows more than he's letting on. He's not barking. He spent time with one of the victims of Epstein and Ghislaine and he's not barking. And clearly that's what's happening. However, others believe that this is actually a vindication. They state that Virginia has never come out to state that Trump was an abuser or one of the men that she was trafficked to. And notably in her recent posthumously published book, she writes relatively kind words towards Trump and meeting him. I mean, she was very vague, but it wasn't, I mean, it wasn't over the top, but it wasn't, I guess, bad. To which others argue that while she mentions that she was abused by other huge politicians and wealthy businessmen whom she will not name due to her own safety, this book is published while Trump is the President of the United States. So maybe, yeah, no matter how goofy American politics seems to to be, which it is, we're a mess over here. The President of the United States is still one of the highest powers in the world, which leads some to argue that it would make sense that she would not badmouth Trump in her book, accuse him in her book. It's just not going to end up well for her to accuse the sitting president. But others argue, well, she could because others have done it before. A lot of people have actually accused this specific sitting president of lots of heinous things. So it's just there's no end to the back and forth. And we spent hours going in these soon to be fist fights in the comment sections, and it's just widely unproductive. Nobody's convincing anyone to come to the other side. So, you know, in another email that is sent to Michael Wolff, Keep Michael Wolff in mind for later. He is under a lot of fire. More on him later. But he is a reporter who served as an advisor of source sorts for Epstein on how to handle Trump, who was going to run for office at that point. So this is during his first presidential run, which turned out to be successful in. In terms of he became the president. Right. That was when he was first elected as president. This email is from 2015. So he had already announced that he was going to run in 2016. And it reads from Wolf to Epstein, I think you should let him hang himself. He's talking about Trump. If he hasn't been on the plane or to the House, that gives you valuable PR and political currency. So some netizens interpret this as saying, Trump has probably been to the house in the plane, which Epstein might have proof of. But if Trump goes out and says, hey, I haven't been to the house. Hey, I haven't been to the plane, then Jeffrey Epstein suddenly has this political currency of, like, I can expose you for lying. Other netizens have interpreted this as, Trump has not been to the house or the plate. Continuing, Michael Wolf says, you can hang him in a way that potentially generates positive benefit for you, or if it really looks like he could win, you could save him. So that would mean probably Epstein coming out and saying, I Trump has never done anything weird. What do you mean you could save him? Generating a debt. Of course, it is possible that when asked, he will say, jeffrey is a great guy and has gotten a raw deal and is a victim of political correctness, which is going to be outlawed in a Trump regime. Do without what you will. That's in 2016, during Trump's first run for office, in which he was successful, but in a 2019 email before his second run, which was unsuccessful. So January 31, 2019, this is actually six months before Epstein is arrested. Epstein emails Wolf victim Mar A Lago. So it's like redacted and it says, trump said, he asked me to resign. Never a member ever. And I just. I do want to preface Jeffrey Epstein's grammar, his punctuation, his speech spelling. If he weren't already dead, I think an English teacher would want to kill him. Never a member ever. Of course he knew about the girls as he asked Ghislaine to stop. So some netizens have interpreted this as he knew Ghislaine was what, recruiting underage employees of Mar a Lago to come get trafficked. If that's the case, why didn't he stop it or go to the authorities? Considering if anybody had the power at that time to stop Epstein and Ghislaine, it would have been Trump because of how powerful he is and how wealthy he is. And also if Ghislaine is a member at Mar a Lago, to be the Owner of Mar A Lago. It's a very different standing, it's a different social standing. But others are saying, well, he asked her to stop, but maybe he didn't know what was going on. And like, see, he asked her to stop. So like, maybe he's a good person. Additionally, the whole back and forth gets trickier when you factor in the birthday cards from Trump to Epstein. And there's going to be a lot more on that later. White House press secretary states that the President did not write the birthday card to Epstein. A lot of of people have compared his signature on. I mean, the President's signature is literally everywhere. Every US President's signature is everywhere. They sign everything all the time. I mean, a lot of people say it looks the same, but the White House press secretary says he did not sign the letter and that is basically why the President is going to sue the Wall Street Journal. More on that later. But the White House press secretary, Caroline Levitt continues. The unnamed victim. So there is this whole thing, the Democrats, they release these emails, a lot of them, and the one where it says like redacted victim and Trump spent hours at Epstein's house and so they redacted the victim's name because it's, you want to redact all the victim's names, especially when their association with the President of the United States. I mean, you have an entire political party that could go after you if maybe they don't like that email. So I can see why they redacted it. However, I guess if you look at the other side of the aisle, they are arguing, why the fuck did you redact it? So let me just tell you what the White House press secretary said. She says the unnamed victim referenced in those emails is the late Virginia Duffre, who repeatedly said President Trump was not involved in any wrongdoing whatsoever and couldn't have been friendlier to her in their limited interactions. The fact remains that President Trump kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of his club decades ago for being a creep to his female employees, including Giuffre. One netizen thing that people have pointed out about this statement is it sounds wishy washy. And second of all, she keeps pronouncing Giuffre as Guthrie. But then there is an email from Epstein to Michael Wolfe that just reads, of course Trump knew about the girls. If this part on Trump in this episode feels a bit thin, it's because the next part of this two part series is going to dive deeper into a lot of the major names. So Trump, Clinton, Gates, conspiracies that Epstein and Ghislaine were political spies. So that this is just the starting point of the conversation of how Trump and Epstein and how it relates to Virginia Duffrey. There's going to be a lot more that is going to lead to the memes of Donald Trump and Bill Clinton having a salacious, alleged affair that has now become a meme with people memeing big, beautiful Bill and people calling POTUS throtus. So there is that, and there's going to be more on that later. But so far, that is what Virginia Giuffre writes in her book about Trump, because I do see a lot of people referencing the statement, and I read through the whole book just to see if am I missing anything, but that does seem to be what she wrote about him. Now, the next person under fire is a billionaire couple. Virginia writes in her book. There are other men whom I was trafficked to who have threatened me by asserting that they will use litigation to bankrupt me. One of these men's names has come up repeatedly in various court filings. And in response, he has told my lawyers that if I talk about him publicly, he will employ his vast resources to keep me in court for the rest of my life. So for that reason, the next person, Virginia Giuffre, only refers to this man as billionaire man number one and his pregnant wife. However, in her 2016 deposition, Virginia Giuffre sues Ghislaine Maxwell. And this is like, we're going to get into it in the next part, but Virginia Duffrey publicly accuses Epstein and Ghislaine. Ghislaine comes out and basically says, Virginia Dufre is a liar. So Virginia Duffrey's attorneys decide, we're going to sue you for defamation. Oh, they sue Ghislaine Maxwell for defamation. And that kickstarts a series of events which leads to both of them being deposed in a deposition where they're essentially being questioned by the opposition's attorneys. And these deposition, the transcripts were unsealed, so there's a lot in there. There's a lot of names in there. However, in that 2016 deposition where she is deposed and Ghislaine Maxwell's attorneys are grilling her, Virginia does name people by name, whereas in her book she does not. There are still some redactions in the deposition before it was released, but a lot of people have been cross referencing the deposition and the book and trying to figure out who is who. So we know. I don't know anything. People think they know. Some netizens think that billionaire man number one and his pregnant wife is Glenn Dubin and his wife, Dr. Eva Dubin. She states specifically in her deposition. Virginia does? Well, it was in the beginning, like after my training. Glenn Dubin and Redacted were the first two people I was sent out to. She states that she cannot give exact dates and how old she was. But she says, I can't tell you piece by piece by piece who. But I knew Glenda Dubin was first. Later on, on page 199 of the deposition, Virginia is asked by Ghislaine Maxwell's attorney. So you're saying Ghislaine Maxwell directed you to have sex with Glenn Dubin. Correct. What words did Ghislaine Maxwell tell you to go have sex with Glenn Dubin? It was same. It was like the same all the time. All right. They want me to go provide these men with a massage. And when they say massage, that means erotic. Okay? That's their term for it. I think there are plenty of other witnesses that can attest to what massage actually means. And I'm telling you that Ghislaine told me to go to Glenn Dubin and give him a massage, which means sex. We have no clue if Glenn Dubin is billionaire man number one. We have no clue if he was an abuser. But it's been widely talked about in the news that he has some sort of connection to Epstein. And this some sort of connection is actually a pretty strong connection. Whether that be sinister or not, it's a pretty strong connection. Virginia explains that this was a mark, like a marked change in her victimization from Epstein and Ghislaine. She states that she went from being assaulted by just them two to now. Epstein is trying to manipulate her, and he believes he's getting her to believe that the next step in her actually training to become a massage therapist is to go work on Epstein's rich friends, be their massage therapist. Especially when Epstein allegedly tells her that the very first client is going to be a couple. I think that she probably is more inclined to believe him. It's going to be a man and his preference, pregnant wife. So that that would appear like a real, appropriate, legitimate massage. They're staying at the breakers, which is an exclusive Palm beach hotel nearby where they have private residences. Epstein was very firm on the rules. Be gentle with her talking about the pregnant wife. Make her feel comfortable, but save most of your energy for him, which would still sound somewhat appropriate, considering perhaps he's a bigger man. Virginia would need to physically exert herself massaging him Then Epstein tells her, give him whatever he wants, just like you do for me. That night, she goes to the residential area of the breaker's property. First she goes into the bedroom to massage the pregnant woman. She doesn't really know how to give a prenatal massage. In fact, Ghisain kept freaking her out by saying, if you massage a pregnant woman's ankles, they can go into early labor and the baby could die. So she's barely even touching this woman. She's terrified of harming the child. Within 4:45 minutes, this billionaire wife tells her that she's going to go to sleep. Virginia quietly turns off the light, leaves, and out in the living room, who she refers to as billionaire number one, has thrown a rug on the floor. And he's laying there face on the floor, naked, and he's facing up, actually. So Virginia starts massaging him. And it's been like four hours since she got here at this point. And she is believing that maybe this is a normal massage because it's been four hours until billionaire number one tells her to take off her clothes. She states bluntly in her book, I was disappointed, but not surprised. We had sex on the floor, and afterward he tipped me $100. As I left that night, I felt that familiar, scooped out, empty feeling. When she gets back to Epstein's house, she states that he asks her how it went with a casualness that should be alarming. Quote, I told him I had done everything that anyone required of me and that his friend seemed sad, satisfied. He grinned, then popped a red grape in his mouth and walked back to his office. I had pleased him and I was dismissed. So why do people think that this is Glenn Dubin? Okay, it's just a guessing game at this point. Okay, I guess some of that could come down to Glenn Dubin is a billionaire. He is a billionaire hedge fund manager. And to make the conspiracies a bit more intense, his wife, Dr. Eva Anderson Dubin, was Ms. Sweden and apparently dated Epstein for years before she married Dubin in 1994. They've also reportedly invited him over for Thanksgiving dinner at their Palm beach home after his 2008 conviction. So this is after they publicly know what he's done. It's also rumored that Epstein is the godfather to their children. Some people go even further to think, I mean, there's some crazy conspiracies that Epstein is an Israeli spy. We're going to get into it in the next part, but Glenn Dubin's wife even wrote an email to Epstein's probation Officer stating that she feels 100% comfortable with Epstein around her minor trouble children. So there's that. Eva Dubin also testified during Ghislaine's sex trafficking trial and stated that she did not witness any inappropriateness or any strange conduct between Epstein and any teenage girls. I will say that aside from the the first child of the Dubin family, the birth dates of the other two children, I couldn't find super reliably published birth years, but it seems to be the timelines could make sense that Eva was pregnant during that time. And I say that that as in I believe that this happened to Virginia. I don't have a clue if it's Glenn Dubin and his wife Eva, although I think that they are incredibly shady, but that's just a personal opinion. They've also donated $27,000 to Andrew Cuomo's mayoral run in New York City recently, which was goofy to say the least. And based off recent files being released, it is believed by netizens that in 2017, so two years before Epstein was arrested, the same second time, two years before Epstein was found dead, he claims to somebody through his email that he spent Thanksgiving in 2017 with Trump and Eva Dubin and Glenn Dubin. The same email chain contains Trump, Eva and Glenn. So that could mean he spent Thanksgiving with Glenn Dubin and Eva Dubin as well as Donald Trump. It could mean that he didn't. It could mean nothing. If you're interested in more about the Dubin family, I would point you to a testimony from Glenn Dubin's former butler. Who else alleges that they saw a 15 year old girl distraught in the Dubin family home before and that there was. It was bad, they allege. They allege it was bad. What is that like? She's told them allegedly that she is Epstein's personal assistant. And they were confused because they're like, you look like a child. How can you be a personal assistant for an adult? This doesn't make any sense. And there was just some weird energy and they said, I mean, the Dubens have like 55 million homes. That's not true. That's an exaggeration. Did you know one time I got a letter because I said someone was a billionaire and then they sent me a letter and they were like, I'm not a billionaire, by the way. I was like, okay, so they do not have 55 million homes. They have multiple homes. And I think she gets sent off to be a nanny at another home. But then the Dubin live in nanny was like, oh, I've never seen her before, so there's a lot being disputed. But I will say that that testimony is, if you believe it, very alarming. Very alarming. But I would just warn you, be very careful because these are all very, very powerful people. So with that being said, that's just like two of the major names that have been associated since. I mean, they've always been kind of associated with this entire case, but their names have been coming up more and more frequently. Obviously, Trump, but the dear brothers, the next part is going to be dropped within the next 24 hours, so stay tuned because there's going to be a lot of names in that one, a lot of actors, celebrities. Celebrities that I don't even know were associated with the case. And I mean, we still don't know, but just their name comes up in the book. George Clooney being one of them. The Simpsons creator, his name has been circulating. So with that, stay tuned in the next 24 hours, be safe, and I'll see you in the next one.

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