B (10:38)

Onetaste is a company.

A (10:39)

Yeah, he just gets involved and makes it a bit more public, mainstream. He's one of the few people that was talking about one taste that made it more mainstream, that had more people talking about one taste. And that's why this is, that's why we're talking about it. So with the success of the four Hour Workweek, Tim Ferriss starts his newest endeavor. It's another self help book called Four Hour Body. It's cheeky. Okay, so Tim Ferriss, the productivity guru, productively helping every single person out there feel unproductive is going to get a lot more personal in this book where he has this whole chapter dedicated to the fact that he's on a date with a 25 year old yoga instructor who's hot. I don't know why her age is important, but it intrigued me so I googled it. He was 33 when the book came out, so I don't know if that's an age gap that he wants us to know, but it's an 8 year old younger yoga teacher and they're eating French food, drinking champagne and she just blurts out to him that she's never had a big O in her life. Her entire life. She's never experienced it, she's slept with people, never had the big O orgasm, right? Yes. And he says, quote, I've never won the Powerball lottery, but I felt like I just had.

B (11:54)

What?

A (11:54)

Yeah. So self help guru decides to take it upon himself. He writes, so it came to be that I made her a drunken promise I would fix her inability to owe. Not that night, not, not necessarily through me, but somehow that is how he goes on a quest, a journey to talk to female O experts. And he comes across the big om. She calls it the om. She doesn't call it the O. She calls it an om.

B (12:24)

Om.

A (12:24)

The om expert Nicole De Don, the founder of a company called One Taste. He reads her book called Slow Sex. Tim Ferriss writes about Nicole Daedon's book. This should be required education for every man on the planet. Another self help guru, Tony Robbins, though much darker of a figure considering he's got all those essay allegations against him. But he says he even recommends the founder of Onetaste, her new book to all of his friends, including somebody who, quote, desperately needed it. Even Khloe Kardashian in a blog post wrote that everyone should read Onetaste founder's book. She says Orgasmic meditation, the key to ultimate satisfaction. Gwyneth Paltrow had a whole podcast with Nicole de Don, the founder of One taste, and it's all run by this hotter, younger blonde woman, Nicole de Don, who was a former Buddhist.

B (13:22)

When you say hotter young, why is.

A (13:24)

It hotter, younger, blonde, hotter younger than Rhys Jones? Yeah, but she's just a hot young blonde woman and she was a former wannabe Buddhist. I mean, who the hell is Nicole Daedon? Why are all these celebrities and self help gurus praising Nicole Daedon? And what the hell even is One Taste? This episode is presented by 20th Century Studios. Send help. From the twisted mind of Sam Raimi, director of the Evil Dead and Drag Me to hell, starring Rachel McAdams and Dylan O', Brien, comes a new film that begs the question, what would you do if you were stuck on an island with your terrible boss in paradise? HR can't hear you scream. Now playing only in theaters and 3D, this is a paid ad by BetterHelp. February rolls around with all the hearts, roses and chocolates, and suddenly there is this pressure to have everything tied up in a perfect bow. But here's the thing. No matter where you are on this romance journey, single dating, taking a break, focusing on yourself, you, therapy can actually help you sort through it all. BetterHelp won't fix your love life overnight, but it can help you understand what you actually want from a relationship. What patterns keep showing up, why certain things bother you, and most importantly, it takes some of that crushing pressure off of yourself. Betterhelp is the world's largest online therapy platform and they do the heavy lifting for you. No endless searching for the right therapist. And thanks to their industry leading match fulfillment rate, they usually nail it on the first try. Plus, you can feel good knowing every BetterHelp therapist is fully qualified and works according to a strict code of conduct. Everyone is still finding their way. Find yours and feel lighter. Sign up and get 10% off@betterhelp.com rotten. That's betterhelp.com rotten. Look, we've all been there. You get your phone bill every month and think, well, I guess this is just what wireless costs now. But it does not have to be that way. For years I was one of those people throwing away money on a big name carrier. And then I actually tried Mint Mobile and I felt ridiculous list for waiting so long after switching. Basically nothing changed except my change like in my pocket because I was saving money. Mint Mobile runs on the same networks as the expensive carriers. You're getting unlimited talk, text and data without the markup that exists purely because the industry decided that's what people would tolerate. Ready to stop paying more than you have to. New customers can make the switch today and for a limited time get unlimited premium wireless for just $15 per month. Switch now to mintmobile.com rotten that's mintmobile.com rotten. Upfront payment of $45 for three months, $90 for six months or $180 for a 12 month plan required $15 per month equivalent taxes and fees. Extra initial plan term only over 50 gigabytes made slow when network is busy. Capable device required. Availability speed and coverage varies. Additional terms apply. CMIT mobile.com. There is a library near the water in San Francisco. You can't get in because it's a private residential property. The bookshelves are probably filled with books. Perhaps Tim Ferriss books make an appearance. Maybe it doesn't. Who cares? Nobody's paying attention to that anyway. Why would you when there's a naked woman in the room? It's kind of an odd environment. There's chairs lined up, kind of like a personal book signing at someone's house in a home library. But instead of a podium, there is a massage table. And the massage table is a facing the small crowd so it's not sideways horizontal where you can see the body being massaged. It's facing the crowd. And there, laying there, just full butterfly legs spread open, is Nicole Daedon. Standing next to her is a fully clothed man who looks a little proud because, I don't know, I feel like anywhere else you could maybe mistake this as a person getting a regular massage. I mean, she's on the massage table. There is no sheet to help cover her, but she's laying there and she looks relaxed. She looks like she's about to have a good time.

B (17:27)

Fully nude.

A (17:29)

Fully nude. And he's looking like he's about to do a job well done. He says, we're gonna give you a show. It's a show, but it's a real show. You understand? Sometimes people say things like, you know, we teach demos and we're gonna tone it down. For you because you can't take it. Well, that's f. Cking bull. And the show starts.

B (17:48)

How many people is in the room?

A (17:50)

A handful. Less than a dozen. And he leans over and he just starts with his hands manually rubbing Nicole de Don down there. And she's whimpering, smiling, crying, moaning, giggling. Just like a whole wave of emotions that if you experience in five minutes, you probably should talk to a therapist about it. People say Nicole is like an electrifying orb. Like she is spreading this palpable energy, electricity, through the entire library into everybody else. It's like her legs are spread open and there is this energy shooting out of her privates into the room. That's what they're saying. I wasn't in the room.

B (18:33)

Like, she's very expressive, yes, but it's.

A (18:36)

Not that there's electricity coming out of her, honey. It's like spreading through the room, and you can feel it. Someone hesitantly walks up to the massage table because it's like they're mesmerized. They're entranced by this. And they caress Nicole's leg. And it's. She's shaking in pleasure, and it's almost like she's a conduit for electricity because his body starts to shake, like he's having a seizure.

B (19:00)

Oh, a guy went up to touch Nicole's leg, and he starts shaking too.

A (19:05)

He starts shaking. Another person from the other side of the library blurts out, I feel a silvery sick sensation sneaking down my arms. I feel a vibration in the back of my legs. And after about an hour of that, Nicole's hair is very messy, and she is smiling and the energy is thick. And she explains to everybody it's because they just witnessed her own a female om. A female orgasm. And that is why she created her Silicon Valley company, One Taste. It's all about feeding female hunger. Nicole says. A modern Western woman has this mantra that we feel deep in our bones. It goes like, I work too hard, I eat too much, I diet too much, I drink too much, I shop too much, I give too much. And still there is this sense of hunger I can't touch. The solution to female hunger is you have to pay. Nicole Dadon. Take off your pants, keep your shirt on, lay down, get into a butterfly position. Your feet are touching, your knees are spread open, and you just have a stroker, which is a fully dressed, typically a man. They call them strokers. They look like massage therapists. They come over and for 15 minutes, they put a dollop of organic coconut lube on one finger. And they manually start fondling you. It's not sexual, it's therapy. It's meditation. Om is om. Orgasmic meditation. It's like you go to a yoga studio and instead of doing yoga you lay there and the male stroker, who is trained by onetaste, comes over for 15 minutes, performs an om on your privates. You don't even know each other's names. You don't get to know one another. You don't go to dinner first. It's a clinical service that is going to change your life. That's it. I mean this isn't entirely a new concept. It's rumored that back in the day women would go to their doctors and get diagnosed with hysteria. Which back in the day that could mean anything from you have a small headache to full on psychosis. But the old school doctors would just manually stimulate the patients down there to help them relax. Which of course then comes the rumor that women would start going to the doctor to complain of a headache that doesn't exist because their husbands at home couldn't get them off. So then why not go to the guy in the white coat that can do it for you? Yeah, it was a whole thing, okay? But now in modern day there really isn't much holding American women in the western world. Maybe like certain cultures and religions aside, there's nothing holding you back from self pleasure. But Nicole says it can be better. It always can be better. And that is the gap that Nicole Daedon wants to fill. This is the same woman who when she was just a little kid, Nicole said that she had this hunger. It was like this insatiable hunger. She's like five and every time she would see a woman in a miniskirt, she wanted to run up to that woman and bite the flesh of the woman's the back of the knees. Like that soft flesh. She just wanted to bite it. I don't know, she just has this crazy itch. Every time she sees a woman in a miniskirt, she just wants to pounce. Bite the back of their knees. She tried it once. Her aunt told her no good girls don't do that. And now Nicole da don is giving TED talks and lectures about how females can om. Nicole says you can feel the stroke of the world, the whole world in a single stroke of om. All the pleasure and the pain and the joy and the sadness that are part of our intimate lives and our relationships and our lives in general. All of it can be felt in just one stroke. She says that when you have a really Good OM session, which you don't even have to climax. You don't even have to get the big om. You just have to sit there for 15 minutes while a stroker rubs you. It's just the laughter. It just wells and wells inside of me and I became swollen with laughter. And then like champagne pouring over the sides of the bottle, tears began to flood me. My body was rocking. It was the first time I had experienced this sense of being so entirely, utterly uncorked. I was flooded with freedom.

B (23:13)

So is it like a special type of massage versus like self pleasuring?

A (23:18)

Like yes. She says it's very specific. It's not the same as self pleasuring. So when you are self pleasuring as a woman, you are trying to reach the goal of the big ohm. You're trying to reach the top of the mountain. But it's about the journey. And so when we as a society, we are so focused on reaching this destination of climaxing. But she says, you know what I think a climax is? It's a crotch sneeze. That's all it is. At the end of the day, it's not that important. It's just part of the process. Crotch sneeze, yes. It's just a blip in the radar, right? The true meaning is men, they are served all of these intimate things with their partners. They find a partner that they like and they are meant to be served. Women, you never really learn how to feel down there. Everything is so laced with shame. Everything is laced with, I have to reciprocate, oh, if he does this, this for me, or if she does this for me, I have to do it for her or him. But this, this is true meditation. You lay there for 15 minutes, nobody expects anything in return. You don't have to sit there and perform and say, oh, you're so good at this. You don't have to scream and like pretend that you've reached the destination when you haven't reached the destination and you just get to experience. And it's almost a meditative getting back in touch with your feminine state. So many people want to hear Nicole dadone talk about OneTaste, her company and the practice of om that she's able to book out a 1400 person conference hall at the Regency Hotel in San Francisco where a lot of mid sized tech companies hold summits and conferences. Employees of OneTaste are walking around with T shirts that read Powered by orgasm. Just walking around. They're forming lines outside the conference hall. Ladies, please find your nest. Everybody find your nest. Gentlemen, walk up to the stage, please. Wash your hands and find your supplies. The supplies are a pair of latex gloves, a small glass container of organic coconut lubricant. Because we're not filthy animals. Of course it's organic. Then women are guided to their nests. Nest is where you om. It's a yoga mat, typically covered with a blanket, a hundred percent cotton blanket. The woman is to lay on her back.

B (25:38)

Wait, this is the conference?

A (25:40)

Yes.

B (25:40)

1400 people conference.

A (25:42)

Yes.

B (25:43)

Oh, wow.

A (25:44)

And she is to unclothe from the bottom downward. Keep your shirt on, it gets chilly. Then she is about to experience an om for the very first time in her life. Or maybe it's the 100th time. It's going to be 1400 people who paid anywhere between $200 to $400 for this three day summit. And they're all going to be oming together. Everyone received a red card. If you ever feel uncomfortable, hold it up like a little referee and we'll stop. But nobody does.

B (26:15)

So there's 1400 people. So is that 700 pairs? 700 pairs, yes.

A (26:21)

But a lot of men pay to get in too.

B (26:23)

Right? But are people coming in as a couple to do it together?

A (26:27)

No, there's actually one journalist who went in and she was writing for the now defunct website Gawker, but she went into the conference to write about Nicole Daydone. In one taste, she was a journalist. And they were just like, you want to try a gnome? And so she was like, I don't. That's not what I'm here for. And then she tried a gnome from a stranger. Yeah.

B (26:49)

Huh. Okay.

A (26:51)

And it's a, it's, you know, it's a three day conference. They have other things. It's not just three days of circle jerking.

B (26:56)

I'm sorry, how does she describe the experience? Or what's her takeaway?

A (27:00)

Oh, yeah, we're gonna get into it. Yeah. But it's a three day conference. Lots of speakers. Naomi Wolf, Dr. Sarah Gottfried, Robbie Richman, he's the former culture strategist at Zappos. I think they're the ones that do the shoes. Right? They're all gonna be there to speak. Brian Friedman, he's the producer of A and E show Intervention. I mean, the promotional website for this conference reads, the, um, conference is a gathering of like minded people who are passionate about exploring the power of female orgasm and everything that goes with it. Some people do yoga, some people meditate. We om. And so can you. The regular ticket price for this event is $795. But you can purchase your ticket today and you pay only $395. That's a 50% discount. Take advantage of the special offer today. The ticket price will be increasing soon. Bye now. To be honest, it is crazy to think that most people don't purchase this ticket with the hopes of oming. And there's going to be this whole delicate dance around it because, like, what do you mean? You're just gonna om in public and people are around you and there's like another woman, just an arm's throw away. And these are people that you just met. You're gonna find an om partner in a sea of strangers. 1 Tay staffers are reassuring everyone, though it's not unusual to get stroked by somebody you've only just met because it's not sexual, it's clinical. You might even get stroked by someone and then realize, I'm so sorry, what was your name again? But all of this is helping. And we have things like safe porting. So the strokers, a lot of them have been trained or a lot of them have come to this conference and they learned how to stroke. And they will always get consent beforehand, obviously, but throughout the process, the women's or the. The person getting stroked, all women are the ones leading. No, men are allowed to get stroked because it's a female practice. And, you know, if they say they don't like something, the stroker must immediately fix it. Also, the stroker is not allowed to complain or say, oh, they can only say, thank you for letting me know. And if the stroker is going to change positions or place another hand on the thigh or to start going faster, they're going to announce it out loud to the woman, such as, I am going to give you some grounding pressure now. You will feel my hand on your thigh. You're also heavily encouraged to speak out what you feel during the om sessions, even if you're just witnessing it. So it has to be in neutral terms, though. So the stroker will say things like, the color is very coral. You don't say pretty, you don't say wrinkly. You say neutral terms because everything about this is neutral. It's not laced with, oh, well, it could be prettier or it could look like this. This. It's supposed to be just clinical.

B (29:45)

This sounds like a really weird role playing that they're doing.

A (29:48)

Yeah, yeah.

B (29:48)

Like, just because you say it's clinical, does that mean these guys, they're working as a freaking healthcare worker. Like, that's kind of off, right?

A (30:00)

It's very confusing. And like you can see it's very ripe with the ability of abuse, these types of environments. And one person just says watching these demonstrations, I mean it's, it felt like my body was getting sunburnt and there was this soft just arrow that was stopping my breath. Other people who have witnessed, watching other people get omed say there was a moment where I felt like my body was a shell, it was hollow. And I felt this white substance filling up from inside of me and inflating my chest up and it blew me up like I was the Michelin man. The three day conference turns out to be a massive success. Even the gawker journalist who got roped into doing an om, she says, oddly, it was thrilling. Like it was thrilling. She could see the appeal. And when she got home there was almost like this feeling of being done from a drug binge because there was so much excitement and it was so everybody was turned on and there was this energy. And she tried to talk to her friends about it and nobody got it. They were all like, is this a cult? Like you're weird, why did you do that? And so now she just felt so empty, like she was hungover from like the three day party of her life and she didn't know how to even operate afterwards.

B (31:15)

How long was like that one session that she did or all of them?

A (31:19)

15 minutes.

B (31:20)

But the whole thing only lasted 15 minutes.

A (31:22)

But they have multiple sessions of 15 minutes. Sometimes during the OHM conferences they'll do 15 minutes and then they'll just partner swap. I don't know why, okay, but they'll just partner swap and then there's just a new stranger and you're doing another 15 minutes. One woman says, just the idea of like dropping my pants in front of a stranger, you know, I actually almost left, but then at the last minute I basically was like, fuck it, you know, I'm here, I'm gonna do the thing. And once she did it, she said that was amazing, terrifying and incredible. And then all I knew is like, I want to do this again. Another person says, after my first om, I felt baffled, confused. It didn't really feel like self pleasuring or anything I'd ever experienced before. It didn't even feel like it was just something new. I wanted to scoff at it, I wanted to brush it off and explain it away. But I had to admit that something unexplainable was going on, something great and unexpected. During the group sessions, one former participant says, it was just crazy to hear how many different sounds that the women around me were making. It just felt incredible. I just felt really good about myself in a way that I never had before. Others say that they skipped doing the om with a stranger and just had an om with their long term partner. And one woman says, at first I would always rather have been like, I'd rather have an intimate relation or do something for him that would make him feel good so that he would like me more. And it was very challenging for me to just lie back and feel. I had this fear that when we were oming, he would realize he didn't like. But the opposite happened. I've never been able to trust a relationship this much in my life because now I don't have to guess how he's feeling. I can feel how he is feeling. One staff member told a participant, I watched you om and you sounded like an orchid blooming for the first time in 150 years. Another person says, listen, it's not even that intimate, okay? She says, during and immediately after the Om, I had a sense of energetic movement in my limbs and the core of my body. I felt more relaxed, more alert, at the same time more clear headed, cleared my brain fog, gave me energy. It's better than coffee. Another says, I would rather stay in a cave and om for a week than go on an all expenses paid trip to Paris. I just kept wanting to do it again and again and again and again and again. One woman burst into tears at the end of the OM session and Nicole de Don walks up to them. Why are you upset? Because I don't want this to end.

B (33:54)

Wait, so these strokers, are they doing like a. Do they have different trainings or.

A (34:04)

So some of the strokers have different trainings. The employees of One Taste, they paid up to $100,000 themselves to learn coaching classes to how to become master stroker. That is the top level strokers. The master stroker. And they work for One Taste. And then at these seminars, most of the people that are doing the stroking, they're just people that pay $200, $400 to come to this three day conference. And they just spent the past 24 hours learning how to stroke. And now they're performing their first stroke on a stranger.

B (34:36)

Fascinating. Okay.

A (34:38)

Yeah. Joanna Van Vleck is a very successful businesswoman. She started the Trunk Club where you get your own personal stylist to send you clothes via a trunk every month. Her company sold to Nordstrom for $350 million. And she is now here at the OneTaste conference. Van Vleck says about OneTaste in Oming. At first I was like, ugh, this is gross. I was ultimately scared. It's vulnerable. Sometimes I still lay down to om and I'm like, what the fuck is this? If there weren't such incredible benefits, I would not lay down and have a man stroke my genitals. I just wouldn't. But om is fuel. We call it, you know, tired and wired. Most women are tired and wired, and om is the exact opposite of that. It's like eating breakfast. That's what we eventually hope. Instead of a latte, women will have an om because that is what regulates your body. An om for breakfast. You know, one taste is the whole foods for sexuality. The organic, good for you version, the overarching things. Om is just part of the wellness. Everybody starts clapping. Next on stage, enter another big name in the business world, Robbie Richman. He was the former Zappos culture strategist. Very successful. He's a very well known guy. Tony Robbins was amongst his client list. Anyway, he gets up on the stage and he says that onetaste told him, you need to get your beast out of you. We got to get the beast out. And everyone starts clapping like, yeah, get the beast out of you. And in order to do that, they told me, you got to turn the heat up. People are clapping. Yeah, you gotta turn the heat up. That's how you get the beast out. I was in therapy for six years for anxiety, and he says, nobody ever suggested to me that maybe you're just turned on. Everybody's clapping, the crowd's going crazy. They're screaming and cheering like, yeah, you're just turned on. He says at one taste, they helped him more than six years of therapy. Did quote, it wasn't just intimate relations, okay? It wasn't just that. It was. I went into the room with this girl and I had this desire to just rip her limbs off.

B (36:53)

What's happening right now?

A (36:55)

Suddenly, the cheers stop. And it felt. It was interesting because I felt it all. She felt it too, you know, and the interesting thing was I was barely touching her. Ooh. That Everyone is like, okay, what? He continues. It was this feeling like religion. And as a person who studies culture like me, you know, that's one of the highest echelons to religion, involves the full body, the full spirit experience. And it's got its articles of faith, the principles of om that blow my mind, principles that apply to life, not just orgasmic meditation. And this lifestyle. I'm starting to see it resemble a monastery. Except rather than Deprivation. It's acceptance. It's desire, pleasure, freedom. It's connection. The cult like rhetoric right after dismemberment fantasies was very hard to digest for the crowd. I will say there were multiple awkward moments during the three day conference where everyone is like, ooh, maybe this is not what I signed up for.

B (37:58)

Was this recorded or someone.

A (38:00)

There's lots of archived articles about this as well as some small recordings, but not much.

B (38:10)

So what is he doing there? He's not. He's a stroker.

A (38:14)

Yes. He's a firm believer of One Taste. A lot of humans.

B (38:17)

So how does that help him though? He's.

A (38:19)

Oh yeah, what's in it for the men? We're gonna get into that. There's a whole what's in it for men? Just you wait. Okay, now, One Taste marketing. Marketing is focused on being tight. Pun intended. Tight around the edges. It's about marketing owned to be as friendly for the masses as possible. So dismemberment fantasies, that's not as marketable. Okay. They have. I mean, One Taste has all the markings of a cult. They even have communal living buildings where a lot of Onetaste members and employees will live together. Nicole used to live there. A lot of onetaste members still live there. They call it the warehouse. That's where they eat, breathe, sleep. One Taste. So they usher him off the stage and they continue with more speeches and it just feels like a minus. The Dismemberment Talk, a legitimate tech conference for a startup. Later, when asked about the cult allegations, Nicole De Don responds. If I were a person out there and I heard about a group of people who were living together and were doing this practice where they were stroking privates, I would probably think the same thing because I wouldn't have any context to understand because there is no context for connection in our culture. There's no context for any kind of female pleasure. There's no kind of context for sexuality within a rigorous practice. These things, as far as I know, have never really been explored skillfully. Anytime it's been explored, it's just been sort of on the fringe. And that's one of the reasons why I absolutely wanted to bring it to the mainstream. One of the reasons why I want to bring it there is so that we have checks and balances, really. The model is Wikipedia, where everybody gets access and everyone puts their part in. Not literally. She says the whole arena of female pleasure is so dark and weird and scary and it needs to just be out. It needs to be out in the open. Nicole, Dadon is a very interesting kind of woman. I mean, I will say that she is a pretty charismatic speaker, more so back during the prime of one taste that has nothing to do with youth or looks just like the prime of her career. She writes in her book Slow Sex. When I first tell people I make my living teaching the art of slow, intimate times, I get to watch an entire weather system cross their face in a matter of about 5 seconds. First I see surprise, then curiosity, then embarrassment about their curiosity, then fear that I can see their embarrassment, and then finally courage to proceed. You know, I teach a practice called om. I tell them it's a way that any man can bring out the big omn in any woman in just 15 minutes. Nicole says, I teach people that om is really no different than when my uncle Bob taught me one summer afternoon when I was 12 years old.

B (41:01)

You're kidding me.

A (41:02)

Of how to really taste a tomato. Nicole says she grew up in California. Her uncle becomes a wannabe tomato farmer and the first basket of heirloom tomatoes. He shows up at her house and is like, hey, sister Nicole's mom, you gotta try my tomato. And Nicole's mom is complaining. Jesus, Bob, they look deformed. Are we really supposed to eat that? Because heirloom tomatoes, they're like all the rage now. They weren't back then. Uncle Bob takes a big, juicy, lumpy heirloom tomato with a wart and all out of the basket, bites into it like an apple, and there's just tomato juice dripping down his chin into his beard. And then he pushes a fresh heirloom tomato at Nicole's mom. Nicole's mom is like, absolutely not. He gives it to Nicole, who hesitantly, curiously, cautiously, nervously takes a bite of this tomato and she describes it like any 12 year old would describe their first experience on ketamine. She says rich, earthy, dense words a 12 year old has never spoken. The taste of minerals. Where previous tomatoes had been porous, spongy, common, this tomato was pure saturation. It was as if the tomato itself had a built in speed limit. It was not possible to eat it quickly and forget about it. This tomato took command. There was no mistaking it. This was a tomato.

B (42:22)

She wrote that in her book.

A (42:23)

Yeah, my uncle taught me. My uncle asked me what I tasted. I couldn't speak. I didn't want to break the spell. What you taste? He prodded as if he were a blind man asking me what I saw. I wanted to sound very smart, to impress him. A difficult task when what you're describing is a tomato. It tastes warm and a little sour. It's kind of like when you lick a penny and it tastes like metal and you feel a sort of a jolt but at the end it makes your mouth water. It's sweet, but not candy sweet. Sweet the way skin smells soft. Said no 12 year old fucking ever. Okay. But she says her uncle was proud of her and put his hands on her shoulders and gave her sage life advice that she will always abide by. Nicole, the most important thing you will ever do in this life is really, really to taste a tomato. Timing is everything and when an opportunity presents itself, hesitation can cost more than expected. 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Nicole says it takes a lot of time to get into the practice of om. You know, you can be not good at being an om. Like you can lay there and you're not doing anything, but you can still suck at it, she says. We women may be tempted to default to old habits of augmenting our experience, reassuring the stroker that he's doing well by turning up the volume, breathing, moaning, moving in ways that may not be entirely genuine because you're Trying to make them feel better about themselves. But of course, this all takes practice. Nobody gets their first om, right? Many women actually report that they prefer not to reach the big OM during the Om because they've come to enjoy just the massage. It actually increases their sexual energy. Whereas traditional intimate relations with a man is all about getting rid of this excess energy. You know, you feel pent up, you release the energy. But OM is the way that we can build up the energy within ourselves. And people always say, you mean I can actually use OM to generate energy? I can actually use it to increase my capacity? The answer is a big enthusiastic yes. Om gives us the opportunity to refill our tank.

B (48:25)

So, I mean, so far it sounds like, like a lot of things she said is not bad, right? It's. Yeah, like, it's not like really weird or anything. It's like, well, you're encouraging women to.

A (48:40)

Yeah, right. And I think she's about, you know, at least on surface level, her messages seem on par with female empowerment. She says things like, the real question isn't whether women should have power, but what is power? Okay. And how does it express itself through the feminine? That is not a question society has ever been eager to explore. For centuries, feminine power has been misunderstood, feared, suppressed. Nowhere is this clearer than in the way that we treat women's sexuality. Feminine sexuality has been framed as unruly, dangerous, chaotic, a force to control, manage, and hide and fill with shame. And all of this is why we need to own. So this is how it goes. A stroker applies grounding pressure on the woman's legs while maintaining eye contact with the woman's down there. The stroker then narrates what he is seeing in neutral terms. A lot of women report that they started crying once their strokers started narrating how their down there privates look in neutral terms. Because they've only heard it in very sexualized terms terms. So they've only heard it in very objectifying terms. Or in terms of like, well, it could look better so that it could be better for other people to enjoy versus just like, hey, your thing is kind of slanted to the left. And they will say that. And sometimes they cry because it's a very crazy revelation. This is not a compliment, nor is it a judgment. It is just a factual observation. And then a thumb and index finger get placed on very important spots and the pressure is as strong as the weight of two pieces of paper, almost like a tickling sensation. Then there's a 13 minute timer and the final two minutes are spent grounding, slowing down so that they can come back down from the high of the experience. 15 minutes is important because a lot of women have reported initially when they first start oming anything longer than than 15 minutes makes their head very cloudy. They don't get mental clarity. They get very confused. And I will say there's a whole silliness to this whole thing because you're doing some of the most intimate acts with a complete stranger in a conference hall filled with more strangers with the goal of it being more clear minded, promoting longevity and mental health. And there is a huge stress placed on the fact that you need to have 100% organic cotton blankets as well as fully organic coconut substances to rub. And Nicole says what this does is it creates. So like, how is this feminine power empowerment interrelated? So first of all, getting to know the female body is very important. Getting to know your own body and to be serviced without the need of servicing others in return, she says is very important. But also on top of that, she thinks women need to be horn dogs. Okay, so like, basically the underlying message after, I have read, I want to say at this point, I've read four Nicole Daydone books that she published that she wrote. I've watched like over, I want to say, like 30 hours of footage. They have a whole YouTube channel with podcasts where they just yap to each other. She has multiple different conferences that were filmed. I have watched almost.

B (52:03)

She's still doing this?

A (52:04)

Well, no, because she's at MDC Brooklyn in prison right now. But she was, she was doing this for a very, very long time. And I had to consume all of that. And I will say it just, this is the underlying message is women need to be horned dogs. They need to be turned on and they need to be horned up. And she says that's how you get things that you want in life. Because that is your greatest power as a woman. That is your greatest energy is to have turned on energy. And men will just bend over backwards and do whatever you want. If you have turned on energy. This is your only power as a woman, really. So you need to harness that power and stock up on the power. It's like you're battering up when you're oming, you're charging yourself with this power. She says my challenge as a woman is that fundamentally any expression of appetite is shameless. I'm supposed to be small physically. I'm supposed to be small in expression. I'm supposed to be demure if I have too big of an appetite. Then I'm, I don't know, money hungry or gold digger. Although, you know, those things aren't the more challenging desires that women have, or I'm greedy, or I'm. All the things that we think women are who have any kind of appetite that makes us go to the other side and pretend that we're demure and we have no appetite. So as a woman, when desire arises in me, the shame silences me. Me, as a man, when desire arises in you, it gives you a lot of gusto. So we need to do that. However. However, the biggest clientele for one taste seems for the longest time to not be women, but to be men.

B (53:46)

I wonder why.

A (53:47)

Exactly. And it's very hard to cater to a male. Male clientele in a place like San Francisco when all you do is say, hey, women are better than men. It's very hard to have men walk in and pay you money. It's very small, niche group of men who still will do that. So Nicole then starts catering to her male demographic.

B (54:08)

Wait, so she literally started a company to do these sessions? Group sessions. That's it. That's her whole startup business?

A (54:18)

Yes. Then she headed into the wellness space with podcasts, books, you know, coaching sessions.

B (54:25)

Okay.

A (54:26)

Yeah. She became one of those online course gurus.

B (54:29)

So, like, a lot of, like, tech founders, tech people.

A (54:32)

Yeah, a lot of tech guys would go. Because when you're in San Francisco, you're an SF and you have a bunch of software engineers who are probably very intelligent. More intelligent than I will ever be. Maybe, maybe not. I'm just kidding. I shouldn't put myself down with these guys. Okay, but they have not touched a woman because they spent a greater part of their lives studying.

B (54:56)

Right, right, right. So there is an appeal for certain demographics.

A (55:00)

So they all show up, and that leads to a very big problem in one taste, which is how do you get women. How do you get women for these paying men to stroke? And that is partly the reason she is in prison right now. Wow. Huh, Nicole?

B (55:18)

See, like, when I'm hearing this, right, it sounds like, yeah, I can see how some woman are. Does want to solve these problems or feel these feelings, or so it makes sense. But then when you say, okay, all the guys are joining, okay, I guess reality is that, yeah, you can say whatever the hell you want to say. People just gonna come in with their own whatever.

A (55:45)

I know what you're trying to say, because everyone has been thinking it. People are gonna come in just trying to see a vagina, basically. Yeah, yeah. Like we could say all these things and make it pretty. But ultimately the main clientele are just dudes who want to see a body part.

B (56:00)

Yeah. And the question is, is most women, are they here for the reason of what she's promoting? Right.

A (56:09)

So from what I can tell after all of like the rabbit holes that we've gone down from onetaste, if I had to break up their clientele and who's joining Onetaste is you have a group of large group of guys. Older, younger, doesn't matter. All probably from the tech space, primarily in sf. And they know how to talk to girls. They've never really known how to make a girl feel pleasurable. They don't know anything. So they go here almost rather than like a pickup lesson, they go to this course.

B (56:41)

Wow.

A (56:43)

And then you have some older guys who genuinely think that it's a great meditative practice. Or you sometimes have like a huge group where couples. But they don't really stay in the one taste sphere for long. They come trying to spice up their marriage. They learn the techniques. They do like a one day course and then they go home and then they apply it to their home life.

B (57:01)

Right.

A (57:02)

And then you have a group of young women. A lot of these young women seem to come from a little bit more vulnerable backgrounds. A lot of them have been essayed and they don't know how to feel comfortable with their bodies. And Nicole convinces them that she is the path and the light. And these young women end up becoming the biggest commodity of one taste. Right.

B (57:24)

That's what I feel like. They are big, are being taken advantage of.

A (57:28)

And then you have older wealthy women who are just, I don't want to say like the men, but they kind of fit in that sphere of they give one taste a lot of money. And they also want very young, attractive male strokers. And they're here for the pleasures of one taste.

B (57:45)

And she probably knows all of these.

A (57:48)

She knows everything.

B (57:49)

So she's playing five different games with. With different people.

A (57:52)

Yes.

B (57:53)

Wow.

A (57:56)

And she knows exactly how to talk to whoever she's talking to.

B (57:59)

Now in terms of the payment that like these tech guys or whatever, is it all the same amount that she charges? Is it monthly or.

A (58:08)

Okay, so it's $10 for a one night, like get to know each other session. And you don't own you. It's like a $10 mixer. There's cocktails, there's fun. It's like a community event, you know, that a lot of people will go to. And this is so manipulative. I'm going to go into it more later. But they have something called the hot seat. And these are people again, that this clientele that they're attracting. A lot of people that are coming to this mixer, they're not typically, and I say this with love because I'm not a very popular person either. I don't have a ton of friends. They're not popular people. So they sit down in this chair and all the OneTaste employees put their attention on one person for like 30 minutes. And this one person feels a high because usually when they try to talk to their coworkers, they try to talk to people, Everyone gets distracted halfway. They're looking at their phones. They're just maybe not the most entertaining people. But for 30 minutes, they had 10 people just captivated by them. And in the very back, there's a salesperson taking notes down of every single person's biggest insecurities. They'll ask you during the hot seat, they'll ask you, what do you want? And then you'll say, I want to be successful in life. What do you want? They keep asking you, what do you want? Over and over and over again until it boils down to your biggest insecurity and your biggest desire in life. And that salesperson in the back is typing it all down in a laptop. Then you leave. After paying $10, you leave. Then they call you and they say, hey, didn't you have so much fun last night? Well, why don't you come back for a one day course instead of $10? It's $200 and you can spend like eight hours with us. They're like, okay, $200 is not that bad. They go pay $200. They learn how to stroke or they get stroked. They do own sessions and they have such a high. Because this is so exhilarating. Anything taboo is going to feel very exhilarating. It's going to feel like drugs because it's against societal normal. You don't just like go to a yoga studio and see a bunch of naked people and like touch a stranger.

B (60:08)

Yeah. By the way, the hot seat is. Is. Do they have marks? Oh, so they, they're looking in the room, they're like, I want to target that new client who looks like they have money. Oh, it's always a wealthy person.

A (60:23)

Yes. Or someone who has like a pretty cushiony tech salary. Because you can tell. It's like when you are in sf, it's like, hey, what do you do? I work here versus I work at Meta and I'm a product manager. It's like, okay, maybe this person has a cushier salary.

B (60:40)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, okay, so they're converting these people. I see.

A (60:44)

So then you have a $200 day pass day course where you learn how to stroke. And you're so like exhilarated from this experience. And before you can leave, you get signed up for a $3,000 weekend course. And then you've already invested $3,000 and the weekend is so exhilarating. Then you sign up for a $16,000 week long course. Then you sign up for the master coaching program. That's $60,000.

B (61:09)

$60,000.

A (61:11)

There are victims who are like $100,000 in debt.

B (61:14)

In debt.

A (61:15)

And they are considered employees of OneTaste. But they don't learn how to be an employee of OneTaste for free. They're in debt.

B (61:23)

That's why they call it a coat.

A (61:25)

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And she starts catering to the men as well. And she'll, she'll meet in the middle. She'll say things like, women are trained to see men as projects to fix men, right? We're taught that men are dumb and fundamentally these fumbling, bumbling guys and they need us to fix them. But what ends up happening is then all of a sudden you hear these women who say, I feel like I'm a mother, I'm mothering him. And then they lose their turn on. They lose their turn on. And this is like a noun, they lose their turn on. And so we begin to worry about guys, oh, he's not feeling good, and all these things. And they're usually just projections onto them rather than lighting up the kind of turned on masculine power that they need. She's got these very weird takes that she'll do during these one day seminars. This is how she ropes in the masses. Because when you go in too strong, too fast, it's a lot. So she'll slowly lead the men in. You know, I meet so many fantastic women. Women who are smart and sexy and witting and charming and women with charisma and who work a 10 hour day and then throw a dinner party for eight without as much as a nap. I mean, women, it seems, who can do anything except find and keep their man. They watch the man that they desire fall desperately in love with women who aren't as smart, who aren't as, as sexy, who wouldn't know the first thing about choosing the right wine to go with the chicken. Women who have accomplished nothing at all with their lives. Why her? And when the men come up here and they start talking about their feelings. And women ask this question. They are momentarily stunned by the men's response. It's simple. The guys point out the woman they go for is the one who is nicest to them. So she starts encouraging all the women in the class to be nice to men. Start with one moment of genuine appreciation and feel your way from there. She says, you know, at the end of the day, men, if you're listening to this, women only want one thing, which is, quote, I don't know, competence. No, I'm just kidding. It all comes down to one sweet request. Be more you. That's it.

B (63:35)

That's crazy.

A (63:36)

Show yourself to us. It's all we've ever wanted.

B (63:39)

So this is like straight up take tailoring to the guy.

A (63:44)

Yeah. Because every sane minded woman listening is like, that's actually like on the bottom of the list. Okay. We just want you to know how to do one thing. One chore around the house. Do the dishes, do the laundry, don't leave your socks outside. I don't know. Women were like. I will say the comments were crazy on this one.

B (64:01)

What do you mean comments are crazy?

A (64:02)

This is like after she goes to jail though, a lot of people are like, yeah, okay, well that's, that's actually fucking insane. Tell that to the prisoners at mdc. Yeah, it's just kind of not what a lot of women want. It's a little pick me energy. I don't know how to describe it. It is what women want. Yes, I want my husband to be more him, but I also want the world to be better too. It's just, it's not that easy. And a lot of people have a hard time wondering why men were going to one taste seminars. This is why. Also, some men say they were never in relationships and they don't know how to talk to women. And so Nicole will guide them through it. She'll say things like, tell her that tonight you will use her body like a magnet. Every part of her body is going to come alive. One former male member says one of the exciting things about the organization was, you know, compared to men, teaching other men how to relate to women. You got it straight from a woman's mouth. Nicole would break down the dynamics of relationships. The man dilemma. What happens for men? They get all these ideas in their head about how to get access. Get access. First of all, the idea is you're entering the conversation with a separate sense of self. I don't know what she's talking about. The most powerful thing you can do is get in rapport with another human being. That's what OM is. You're syncing up nervous systems on a biological level. When you sync up nervous systems, these magical doors open and you won't know until you have the experience. And then you will know. There's all these programs that are put into men about how to get a woman, first of all, tends to be precisely what blocks you. You may get the body, but you won't get the woman. You won't get the goods from that. She says, look, women want to have intimate times as much as men, just not what's on the menu. She likes what's on the menu, which is regular intimate times. She's just not hungry for steak every day. Women crave variety and surprise and spontaneity. We want a seasonal menu, a specialty menu. We want items that arouse and nourish and satisfy every part of us. It's basically that TikTok about wanting omakase. Okay? That's what she's saying. Women have as much intimate energy as men. It just freezes more easily. You know, women have less of. It's because we get frozen from body image. We have. We're turned on. We're just frozen from body image. Previous relationships. Something her dad said to her when she was 11. And by the time that you meet her in her life, she may be so iced over that only a trickle of that desire is getting its way through the ice. Without fuck ice, without regular access to the warm heat of a big ohm, the freeze gets deeper and deeper until she has no more access to get her desire at all. But really, a lot of the testimonials from men that have joined onetaste, it's all about the finger. One person says, I was really surprised to discover how much energy I could feel feel coming through my finger. I hadn't really believed it was possible. Some just say it helped their relationship. Quote. Since we've been practicing om, my girlfriend is so much more turned on. I cannot believe how different it is to have intimate relations with a woman who is truly, fully turned on all the time. Yeah. And it just feels like Nicole is playing both sides. She tells women it's all about them while she caters heavily towards the men. And if Nicole is anything, she is a walking contrast contradiction. And maybe that's her appeal. Before Nicole becomes an OM coach, she was ready to become a Buddhist monk. Nicole was ready to join the Zen monastery in San Francisco. The only thing that she said that she would miss doing is doing it. I'm not kidding. So like any normal aspiring Buddhist, a monk, she does the same thing. She decides, I'm gonna go out on a one week binge. I am going to go to the craziest parties in all of SF and I'm gonna just like do everything and. And then I'll never do it again. I'm going to be a monk. Okay? She's going to do it all. It's at one of those parties where she's looking to do things that she runs into this guy named Erwan and he's at this party. So naturally, within a few minutes, Nicole tells Erwan her dilemma. She wants to be a Buddhist monk. She thinks that life will be really good for her, but she's also kind of like horned up all the time, you know. And he smirks and he tells her, I would like to introduce you to a practice that I've been doing. He introduces her to a practice that will soon become one taste signature, the om. But back then they called it the do, the deliberate O. So after her first taste of a do, where it's basically the same thing as an om, Nicole ditches the whole Buddhist monk life and makes Ohm her entire personality, her entire life's work, until she ends up at Mirror DC Brooklyn in the same prison that Diddy was in, the same prison that Luigi Mangioni is in, and the same prison that Ghislaine Maxwell was in. And that is where I leave you with part one of the OneTaste cult. The audio part for part two is going to be up ASAP and we're going to dive into all of the things that she made young female members of OM do in the. She almost became. I mean, I want to say she's like a cult leader in the sense of like she starts with the this whole easily packageable OM wellness for female empowerment. And then she starts diving into the psychology. She would tell SA victims the only way to get over their essay trauma is to get turned on by it. And she would have them recreate their trauma. So that's going to be all deep dived in part two. So with that, be safe and I will see you in the next one. Bye.

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