Unpacking 3 Million Pages Of Epstein Files + Epstein’s Secret 2 Hour Interview

Summary

Rotten Mango – Episode Summary
Unpacking 3 Million Pages Of Epstein Files + Epstein’s Secret 2 Hour Interview
Host: Stephanie Soo
Release Date: March 17, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this compelling and deeply-researched episode, Stephanie Soo tackles the unprecedented release of over three million pages of Epstein files by the DOJ, examining both the contents and wider ramifications. Amidst this, the bizarre disappearance of Nancy Guthrie (mother to prominent NBC journalist Savannah Guthrie) sparks speculation across social media, with some linking her vanishing to these newly released files. The episode also offers a detailed, critical breakdown of a two-hour unreleased interview with Jeffrey Epstein, hosted by Steve Bannon, and contextualizes recent DOJ/FBI actions, media coverage, and political fallout.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Epstein Files Dump and Nancy Guthrie’s Disappearance

[00:00–08:00]

• Largest Document Release: DOJ drops over 3.5 million pages, 2,000 videos, and 180,000 images connected to Jeffrey Epstein.

• Nancy Guthrie Case: Within days, Nancy Guthrie (mother of Savannah Guthrie) disappears under suspicious circumstances. Her case receives heavy mainstream media attention, but grassroots true crime fans appear less engaged.

• Online Speculation: Social media and Reddit users question the intensity of mainstream coverage, suspecting a possible distraction:

  "Are we just meant to believe that this is the only thing that Americans are thinking about, interested in talking about, or is it something deeper?" — Stephanie, [02:10]

• Media Connections: Savannah Guthrie conducted the first televised interviews with Epstein survivors, further fueling speculation about a link between the file dump and Nancy’s disappearance.

• Mainstream Avoidance: Despite many tenuous theories in mainstream reporting, explicit connections to Epstein and Savannah Guthrie are rarely discussed outside social media:

  “It's one thing if they made zero connections…but they're like, here, let's talk to this cartel expert. Here's this cactus expert. ...but yet this [Epstein link] is just not something you want to talk about.” — Stephanie, [08:51]

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2. Dissecting the Steve Bannon – Jeffrey Epstein Interview

[13:40–37:30]

• Video Context: Unreleased two-hour video part of a larger 15-hour interview conducted by Steve Bannon, allegedly shortly before Epstein’s second arrest in 2019.

  “It looks like some sort of PR piece for Epstein to make a comeback into the world after being a convicted child predator.” — Stephanie, [14:31]

• Bannon’s Role: Bannon claims the documentary’s intent was exposé, but the tone is unusually sycophantic and presents Epstein as a misunderstood financial genius.

• Epstein’s Narrative:

  • Claims he was unfairly persecuted, portrays himself as the only one who could’ve solved the 2008 crisis.

  • Contradicts public knowledge ("solitary confinement" v. real work-release privileges).

  • Projects financial acumen, claims no one is smarter in finance than him:

    “Jamie Dimon, the head of Blackrock, anybody? Epstein says there must be, but he can’t think of one off the top of his head.” — Stephanie, [25:10]

  • Attempts to minimize his danger by downplaying his sex offender status (incorrectly calls himself Tier 1 not Tier 3).

  • Veers into bizarre racial and philosophical musings, attempting to sound reflective but coming off as evasive and subtly bigoted.

• Bannon’s Fact-Checking (or Lack Thereof):

  • Bannon continually fails to challenge Epstein’s obvious falsehoods, letting him steer the narrative:

    “Steve Bannon is the world's worst fact checker. How can you not even be a good fact checker when he's your supposed friend?” — Stephanie, [23:22]

• Notable Quotes & Moments:

  “You never had a moment where you sat there and go, ‘What the fuck have I done with my life…’” — Steve Bannon, [23:32]

  “I just think of myself as Jeffrey Epstein, just a good kid.” — Jeffrey Epstein, [28:40]

  “Do you think you’re the devil himself?” — Steve Bannon, [36:41]

  “No, but I do have a good mirror.” — Epstein, [36:45]

  “The devil scares me.” — Epstein, [37:08]

• Public/Internet Response: Viewers describe the interview as mind-numbing, with Steve Bannon somehow managing to come off as ‘the most annoying person in the room, where the only other person is Jeffrey fucking Epstein.’

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3. Political, DOJ, and FBI Repercussions

[37:35–61:45]

• Heightened Media and Political Activity:

  • President Trump and FBI Director Kash Patel are both publicly involved in the Nancy Guthrie case, intensifying speculation about political motives (i.e., distraction from the files).
  • Trump criticizes investigative methods publicly and makes odd remarks about investigators and the case.

• Kash Patel’s Leadership:

  • Patel’s background lacks law enforcement experience; his leadership is criticized in a New York Times exposé.
  • Allegations include mismanagement, prioritization of narrative control, use of bureau resources for personal reasons, and hyper-focus on political crimes over actual crime-solving.
  • Deputy Director Dan Bongino (former right-wing podcaster) attempts to institute impractical physical standards, further destabilizing the bureau’s reputation.
  • The FBI is reportedly using a large chunk of agents for immigration enforcement, at the expense of public safety and other investigative areas.

  “I remember praying that we didn’t have a terrorist attack, mass shooting, or a cyberpunk attack slip through the cracks because my agents…were assigned to immigration enforcement.” — Anonymous FBI agent, quoted by Stephanie, [57:28]

• FBI’s Response: Bureau spokesperson Ben Williamson dismisses these claims as regurgitated 'fake narratives,' while the administration claims to be restoring integrity.

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4. DOJ's Mishandling of Epstein Files

[61:45–66:00]

• File Release Issues:

  • Names and identities of high-profile businessmen are heavily redacted, while personal information of Epstein’s victims is left unredacted or insufficiently protected.

  • Victim attorneys call the neglect “unfeasible” and unnecessary:

    “DOJ cannot plausibly characterize this as an error…they had one job to do.” — Quoting victim’s lawyer, [63:39]

• Media Avoidance and Trump’s Downplaying:

  • As revelations continue, Trump is eager to redirect public attention elsewhere.

  • When pressed, he claims Epstein "conspired against him" and minimizes implications for his own circle.

    “[Epstein] conspired against me…That takes care of Epstein as far as Trump is concerned. But you got a lot of Democrats out there that are very much involved with Epstein. But I'll be honest with you, you gotta get back to running the country too.” — Trump, as recounted by Stephanie, [66:35]

  • Trump signals for the nation to “get onto something else,” despite the scale of revelations.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• [02:10] Stephanie: “Are we just meant to believe that this is the only thing that Americans are thinking about, interested in talking about, or is it something deeper?”
• [08:51] Stephanie: “So many connections, and yet this one is just not something you want to talk about.”
• [23:32] Steve Bannon: “You never had a moment where you sat there and go, ‘What the fuck have I done with my life that I’m in a 6 by 9 jail cell when I should be on a trading desk…?’”
• [29:45] Stephanie (reading judge’s remarks): “I’m quite frankly shocked.”
• [36:41] Steve Bannon: “Do you think you’re the devil himself?”
• [36:45] Epstein: “No, but I do have a good mirror.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Segment Description | |--------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:00–08:00 | Epstein file dump; Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance; media & Reddit speculation | | 13:40–37:30 | Steve Bannon–Epstein interview breakdown | | 37:35–44:45 | Political responses—Trump, Kash Patel, FBI operational chaos | | 44:47–57:28 | FBI management woes, Dan Bongino, and ICE/DOJ interference | | 61:45–66:00 | DOJ mishandles victim info in files; legal and ethical implications; Trump minimizes impact |

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Tone/Style

Stephanie’s narration is incisive, sardonic, and unafraid to point out the absurdity and corruption threaded through events and interviews. The overall mood is darkly humorous, deeply skeptical, and empathetic toward survivors, consistent with the Rotten Mango style.

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Final Takeaways

• The release of the Epstein files has prompted massive public and political fallout, especially given the mishandling of victim information and heavy redactions protecting elites.
• The Nancy Guthrie disappearance, while perhaps not obviously linked, exemplifies how narratives can be shaped and used to divert or distract in times of political accountability.
• The Steve Bannon interview with Epstein offers a rare, disturbing look at Epstein’s self-image and Bannon’s credulity, reflecting wider problems of power, truth, and complicity among elites.
• Internal upheaval at the FBI and DOJ parallel the turmoil in public trust, raising critical questions about accountability at the highest levels.

This episode serves as both a summary of recent explosive developments and a warning about manipulation, power, and the limits of public transparency in elite criminal cases.

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Further episodes promised on international impacts, Prince Andrew’s arrest, Clintons’ depositions, and more detailed walkthroughs of the released files.

Transcript

[Podcast Host]

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[Guest or Co-host 1]

Wow.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

Oh, okay.

[Podcast Host]

They all open up to NBC journalist Savannah Guthrie about what Epstein did to them. This was essentially the first time Epstein survivors were given a national platform so that the world could finally listen. Savannah Guthrie conducted the very first exclusive televised interviews with Virginia Giuffre and other Epstein survivors. And it's clear that even the FBI was made aware of it. So they have internal emails between multiple different departments within the FBI and other federal organizations where they're just trying to give each other heads up on any major publications because the idea being there might be questions for comment. Someone's going to see it. A journalist is going to ask you. They're going to email you. You should at least know that this was produced and released on air. The internal email reads, quote, I just wanted to give you a heads up. She's done another interview with Savannah Guthrie. In it, she says the following one, she was interviewed by the FBI in 2011. In the interview, she gave the names of all the girls she helped to traffic. Two, she was also interviewed by SCNY3. Two other women also tell DOJ that Epstein's specifically traffic them to other men. For there are cameras in the New York City house and others where he could watch people in bathrooms and elsewhere. They plan to air it on quote today and this Friday's, quote, dateline. Hope that's helpful. These emails are not. They're just a matter of routine. There's no sinister language, they're not incriminating. Nothing in the emails would suggest that the FBI is like, we can't let this air. We gotta shut Savannah Guthrie up. Like, there's nothing like that. It's just nothing is being monitored, even in an abnormal way. But the emails do exist. Netizens have further dug up more connections. Michael Feldman, Savannah Guthrie's husband, was the deputy director of legislative affairs for Al Gore. Al Gore was Bill Clinton's vice president. Wow. Michael Feldman has since gone on to create a communications public affairs firm. A lot of people call it like a crisis situation firm. Along with other key members from the Clinton administration. Larry Summers, the former president of Harvard that has been heavily featured in the Epstein files. He recommends Epstein to talk to someone with that specific PR firm because they've helped Bill Clinton and others very high powered people. There's no indication that Epstein did in fact reach out to Michael Feldman nor his firm. But these are all there in the files. These are all innocuous connections with the proximity to the Clinton world, to the Epstein victims. Savannah Guthrie, I mean, it's just kind of set conspiracy theorists chairs on fire. And then there's the journalists and the president connection. Savannah Guthrie hosted a town hall with Trump in October of 2020. And Savannah Guthrie goes viral multiple times for her very tough interviewing. She even pressed Trump about him sharing conspiracy theories online, stating, you're the president. You're not like somebody's crazy uncle who can just retweet whatever. A few days later, at a rally, Trump stated that Savannah Guthrie was acting like a crazed lunatic. But in a separate rally, he told her that she did a good job. This is a case where you can argue it's just a small world. All these people run in the same circles. Of course you have a journalist rubbing shoulders with politicians. Of course you have all of these different connections. That makes sense. Or you could argue that there's something way deeper going on with one social media user saying, so you're telling me that an 84 year old Nancy Guthrie was kidnapped as soon as the Epstein files were released. Meanwhile, her daughter did a huge interview with Epstein survivors. Another comment reads, nancy Guthrie was probably kidnapped because her daughter was going to start interviewing Trump and other Epstein victims again. Another comment reads, it's weird that no one in mainstream media, none of these news outlets that are heavily covering Nancy Guthrie's case, I mean, it's going under the radar that NBC, Savannah Guthrie conducted the first televised interview with Virginia duffrey and other Epstein victims. That's not being included in any of these articles.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

Oh, you're saying other people are not making that Epstein connection?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, because, I mean, these mainstream news stations, they've been making all sorts of connections. They're like, the cartels could have taken her here. We spend 30 minutes interviewing a cartel specialist to give their expert opinion. They're making some connections I've never seen made before where I'm like, I don't even know. Right, right, right.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

But no mention of Epstein.

[Podcast Host]

None when I was researching Nancy Guthrie, except mainly on social media.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

Interesting. Okay.

[Podcast Host]

And if they do mention some sort of connection, it's all in the lens of new online conspiracy theory. And it lists like a bunch of conspiracy theories.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

I see. Okay.

[Podcast Host]

And I'm not saying that this is a connection that needs to be looked into. I'm just saying it's kind of odd. They've been making connections. It's one thing if they made zero connections with the Nancy Guthrie case, but they're like, here, let's talk to this cartel expert. Here's this cactus expert. Like, so many connections, and yet this one is just not something you want to talk about. But I will say other people have started arguing back. Zach Peter is a social media commentator. I'm not entirely sure what he does, but he did comment, and this has kind of gone semi viral. These conspiracies are the stupidest thing that I've ever heard. If someone wants a powerful distraction, why kidnap Nancy Guthrie from Tucson, Arizona that nobody's heard of? They would take the Kardashian grandma.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

What is he arguing exactly? Like, he's saying, if this is a distraction.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, they would take someone more high profile like a Kardashian's grandma, but they

[Guest or Co-host 2]

don't have that direct connection.

[Podcast Host]

And then some people are saying, well, maybe it's not just a distraction. Maybe it's a threat to Savannah Guthrie, and it's opened a lot of doors for further conversations. But is this connection just coincidental? Is it something deeper? Or is this all even this conversation itself just a way to distract from the new Epstein files. We would like to thank today's sponsors who have made it possible for Rotten Mango to support the Joyful Heart Foundation. They're working to transform society's response to SA DVCA and support survivors healings. This episode's partnerships have also made it possible to support Rotten Mango's growing team and we'd also like to thank you guys for your continued support. As always, full show notes are [e-mail] we're also going to link the change.org petition by various survivors of Jeffrey Epstein calling on the President and the US Government for the full transparent release of all the Epstein Maxwell 0 redaction in favor of abusers, enablers or accomplices. Federal and state protection for survivors facing threats and harassment. There is a lot that they're asking the government for, and a lot meaning like you should go and read exactly what they want so that we can be on the same side. But they're not asking for much like this is the least the government should be able to do. So there are quite a few disclaimers for today's episode, including grooming, exploitation, trafficking, total deprivation of human liberties, sexual violence of minors and young adults that this episode may be extremely distressing, particularly regarding specific descriptions and direct quotes from survivors diaries about abuse that has been experienced. Statements and quotes may be condensed for brevity. And I just want to say appearing in the Epstein files is not an indication of wrongdoing. In fact, most people who have appeared in the files have avidly, passionately denied any wrongdoing. Netizens, however, may feel that someone seems guilty and appears guilty, and if they're in the files cross quite a number of times that could implicate in their personal opinion a sense of higher guilt. But that doesn't mean that they are Pretty much every single person in the files has denied any guilt. So who are the guilty parties at this point? Maybe it's everyone not in the files, Is that what we are to assume? So with that being said, let's get started. For how much we knew about Jeffrey Epstein, the world really never sees this man talk. We have a few clips of a previous deposition where Jeffrey Epstein is sitting there looking smuggler, but we don't hear him talk for a long time. Even when reading thousands upon thousands of emails, you don't even necessarily have his voice reading it out loud in your head. You know when you hear someone's voice and then you read something that they allegedly wrote, it's very clear. You can hear them. I did not hear that with Epstein. But in the recent Epstein file dump, there is an Epstein interview, unreleased. It's a two hour video. Him sitting facing the camera, answering questions about his crimes. It's not an interrogation. It's not even a deposition. It is an interview with Steve Bannon. Okay. This episode, if I were to give you the context of every single person and every single thing and how they're connected to Epstein, it would take 25 years. I just want to say we have two separate collections of videos. One that was done years ago on the Epstein case, giving you a general overview. And then one that was done more recently with all of the Epstein drops with Steve Bannon heavily included. And then if you haven't seen the Nancy Guthrie video, you should go watch that one previously. But he's sitting down with Steve Bannon. And this is an Epstein legacy project. The first thing you hear is stage direction. Steve Bannon is off camera and you hear his voice guiding Epstein. Remember, when you're answering the question, I'm not in the shot and they're never going to hear my voice basically telling him, repeat the question in your answer.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

Wait, what is that, like a documentary they're making?

[Podcast Host]

Yes. Steve Bannon says it's going to be released. And this is.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

Wait, wait. Steve Bannon say Epstein documentary is still coming today?

[Podcast Host]

Yes. Oh, I know.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

What?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, and this is just two hours of a 15 hour file that he has.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

Okay, so he has like a lot more. He said just, just, just you wait.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, but this two hours doesn't make Steve Bannon look good. So everyone's like, I don't know if I want to watch your documentary. You're weird.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

Is this filmed after all the allegations started or this is old, old tape.

[Podcast Host]

This is like a few months before he dies, before he's arrested. The second time in 2019.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

Okay, so this is like the peak of. Yeah, okay.

[Podcast Host]

Oh, yeah, There's. This is like way after 2008. Okay, so he's telling Epstein and Epstein is just like, oh, okay. And just like that, just unceremoniously, the interview begins. It's clear the footage is going to be part of the documentary and Epstein is heavily going to be involved. It looks like some sort of PR piece for Epstein to make a comeback into the world after being a convicted child predator. But, but it's. It's before the color grading and the edits, Hair damage is scary, but with the K18 molecular repair mask, there is nothing to fear. K18 hair has been breaking rules and records since day one. And now soft, strong, bouncy hair is possible thanks to patented K18 peptide, the greatest discovery in hair history. It reverses damage from bleach, color, chemical services and heat in just four minutes. Where it matters most. There was this dead hair test going around for a bit where you take the ends of your hair and you see if they can stand up on their own. My ends were standing up to attention, just they were dry, brittle. They felt completely dead. I tried everything, combing instead of brushing, silk pillowcases. And then I discovered the K18 leave in molecular repair hair mask. And it wasn't even like I discovered it. My hair stylist used it on my hair and I was like, I need to know what you're doing. And it was that. And I'm telling you life, shine and softness seem to just like bloom up. After a few uses for breakthrough results, the K18 mask gets molecular. Want hair like new? Shop at Sephora or get 10 off your first [e-mail] with code Stephanie. That's code Stephanie18hair.com this is a paid ad by BetterHelp. When I think about the people who have made an impact in my life, I am almost thinking about a woman. I mean whether she's a friend, a family member, a teacher, my mom, my sister, she always supports everyone around her, despite anything she might be going through. If you're experiencing lifestyle, emotional burdens, workplace pressures, raising children, caring for loved ones, or something else entirely, working with a therapist through Better Help can give you the space to focus on yourself. BetterHelp is the world's largest online therapy platform and they handle the initial therapist matching work for you. Just take a short questionnaire to share your needs and preferences. And thanks to Better Help's industry leading match fulfillment rate, they usually get your match right the first time. You can also feel confident knowing Better Helps therapists work according to a strict code of conduct and are fully qualified because the woman in our lives deserve support and so do you. Your emotional well being matters. Find support and feel lighter in therapy. Sign up and get 10% [e-mail] rotten. That's betterhelp.com rotten. I may have taken a short, very long break from learning Chinese, but recently one of my nieces on my side of the family, my Korean niece, she's learning Chinese at school, speaking Chinese to my husband, my sister in law, and then I hear a little phrase here and there and I'm like, you know what? She's going to grow up and they're going to be gossiping about me in Chinese. No, I'm just kidding. But I think about it and I'm like, that would be really cool if I had another shared common interest with my niece. And so I picked it up again. And that is exactly why I love Rosetta Stone. If I need to take a break from practicing my Chinese, I can. And Rosetta Stone will still be there waiting for me. Their immersive, intuitive method helps you naturally absorb your new language. It's not like a bunch of memorizing random vocabulary lists, which I hate. And it never sticks. There's no relying on translations. Instead you by connecting words and visuals and meanings in context. It's basically how my niece is learning Chinese, the way language is meant to be learned. Ready to start learning a new language this spring? Visit rosettastone.com rotten today to explore Rosetta Stone and choose the language that's right for you. Go to rosettastone.com rottennow and begin your language learning journey. Steve Bannon, of course, has sang up and down that anything you see in this video is not really a good representation of his relationship with Epstein. Because of course, he's being nice to Epstein because he's trying to build rapport and build his trust so he can make an explosive documentary on him. That's Steve Bannon. Steve Bannon is a high powered political advisor that has probably worked with every single. He worked very closely with Trump. He did go to jail for the January 6th insurrection. That was like a whole thing he like made. He was trying to be a martyr afterwards. It was just bizarre. Like this man is very, very bizarre. And then he's like besties with Epstein.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

But he's not like a film director or anything. This is not his line of work.

[Podcast Host]

Not that I know of. Okay. So, yeah, not that I know of. There was actually a documentary made on him. I don't. Yeah, I mean, if he is not a good one because we've never heard of him.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

Interesting. Okay.

[Podcast Host]

I honestly don't know what it is he actually does at all. I mean, he's got lots of cool titles on his resume, I'm sure, but I don't know what this man is about. I don't know what this is. And okay, if you watch the interview, which I'm going to include clips of in this video podcast, the last thing on your mind is what Steve Bannon is getting out of this. It is what Jeffrey Epstein is getting out of this. Because this interview does not feel like a man being exposed. It Feels like a man auditioning for what role? I don't know. The devil himself. Steve Bannon even asks Epstein about the devil. But first, the interview. Okay. Steve Bannon brings up the 2008 financial crisis. Because what would be a more thought provoking way to interrogate Epstein's financial prowess than get his commentary on one of the most devastating economic crashes in modern U.S. history. Epstein tells Steve Bannon that it's not. It's not what he thinks. Because in 2008, when the financial market crashed, Epstein was sitting in an 8x10 jail cell, stuffing his face full of Almond Joyce because he was terrified the jail food was being poisoned and he was gonna die. Which side note, does that sound like someone who would, in a few months, would self exit in jail anyway? What?

[Guest or Co-host 2]

Okay.

[Podcast Host]

He said that he only ate Almond Joyce because he thought someone was gonna poison his jail food. Does this really? And he's saying this a few months before he self exits in jail? I'm just saying it doesn't sound like someone who has the tendency to feel.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

Yeah, he's like paranoid about someone killing him.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

Interesting.

[Podcast Host]

He's sitting in solitary confinement. And Steve Bannon, he does not look disappointed. He's giddy. Oh, this is going to be so amazing. That's going to be so amazing. He has Epstein reintroduce it so they can take out Steve Bannon's voice later. He's like, say it again. Tell me again. Start from the beginning. Steve Bannon is delighted. Financial mastermind in a cage, unable to save the world during the greatest financial catastrophe in a generation. That's the image in Steve Bannon's mind. And it gets better for Bannon. Epstein tells him, because they don't have the Wall Street Journal in jail. How he found out about the crash was he had a guard come up to his cell and the guard was like, psst. I'm really worried about my pension. What do I do? Epstein's like, why are you worried about your pension? You don't know. Everything's crashing. The banks are coming down.

[Guest or Co-host 1]

I'd been there since June in an 8 by 10 cell with a bed in the back, a six foot bed in the back, a chrome sink with toilet attached to it and a little piece of metal sticking out that was supposed to act as a table. Now, since I was in jail, there were no books. Why? There's no library. No library, but you're in jail. No, I was in jail, not prison. So in jail, I was in a place what's called the Special Housing Unit. Which is for the roughest, toughest, meanest people. They had put me there, they said, for my own protection. One of the reasons they wanted to keep me in solitary confinement was they were afraid that everybody would want to know which stocks to buy.

[Podcast Host]

What, Steve Bannon asks, did it strike you at the time how all the threads of your life had come together and put you in a position, or you had put yourself in a position in that position? No. It never struck you about how to end up in a situation like this? No. That would probably mean I would be too self aware. You can't possibly expect me to believe this. I know. I don't believe it. I don't know why they're acting like Epstein went to war, like he was in the depths of adx, Florence Supermax, which he should have been. But no, he was on a work release program. He wasn't even really in solitary confinement. He could leave jail every day in 2008 to go to work where he abused more victims during his work release. Because his work is being a trafficker.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

What do you mean?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, that was his 2008 whole thing. He was on a work release program.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

He was out and about.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, he was out and about for most.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

So how does he not know what's going on in the economy?

[Podcast Host]

I think these are all lies. I think anything that comes out of Epstein's mouth is a bold face lie.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

Okay. Wow.

[Podcast Host]

And Steve Bannon is the world's worst fact checker. How can you not even be a good fact checker when he's your supposed friend?

[Guest or Co-host 2]

That's insane.

[Guest or Co-host 1]

Okay?

[Podcast Host]

Steve Bannon acts like the 2008 financial crisis would not have happened as long as child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein wasn't in jail in Florida. He says, quote, you never had a moment where you sat there and go, what the fuck have I done with my life that I'm in a 6 by 9 jail cell when I should be on a trading desk where I should be in my $250 million greatest townhouse in New York City taking calls from the King of Saudi Arabia, the President of China, the head of Russia, the President of the United States to saved the world's population from a financial debacle. You're honestly expecting me to believe that never. That thought never crossed your mind? That never happened?

[Guest or Co-host 2]

What the fuck is that statement?

[Podcast Host]

I don't know. And Epstein is just like. I would just say how strange, you know, that this happened. It's strange. I'm wearing a jumpsuit and flip flops. What color was the Jumpsuit Brown. And with a spark of. I took a journalism class when I was in college, Steve Bannon notes, with a inquisitive and slightly somber tone in his voice. I notice I don't see you in a lot of Brown. I don't know what the fuck we're doing here, honestly. Okay. This whole documentary feels like it's just to clean up Epstein's image after his 2008 arrest. And it feels as if it's just to position Epstein as some financial guru that the world desperately needs. But fine, like, you want to play Mr. Market. You want to be Mr. Wall Street. Tell us how to fix the financial crisis. Epstein does in this interview. And. And let's see if he says anything of value. We should be able to take this information, walk to JP Morgan and get a job. Epstein comments about the financial crash of 2008. You can't think of the financial system like your car. People in normal walks of life, they think about money and things as a machine. And unfortunately. So if your car breaks, cars are always easier to fix. My jets, my cars. If it breaks, I know it can be fixed because it simply follows the same pattern. If this part breaks, you can replace that part and the whole thing works again. People in the financial system are not machines. They can't be fixed the same way. You can't simply put more juice into the commercial paper market. It's more like a patient. I have a patient who can't breathe, has a stomach problem, can't see, looks bleeding all at the same time. What do I do? First, I have to think about it as a system. What's the most logical place? What's the most dangerous place? If your heart stopped, we'd have to start your heart again in the equivalent to the money market. Why do you have to start your heart again? I need to get your blood flowing. If your blood stops, you're dead. If liquidity, which is the equivalent of blood and the financial system dries up. Steve Bannon interrupts. Liquidity is basically cash. So putting cash in the system, forget about what it is. Okay, okay. Liquidity is liquidity. It's the blood of the economy. You need to pump blood hard into the body of the economy to keep it. There's real no information on how the market actually works. There's no real information on how Epstein even acquired wealth to begin with. But. But Steve Bannon maybe got hit on the head with a coconut from a coconut tree. He asks Epstein, just off the top of your head, can you list any guys who know the financial market better than you do. You know, like, hate him or love him. Jamie diamond, the head of blackrock, Anybody. Epstein says there must be, but he can't think of one off the top of his head. Wow. But here's the catch. The only reason that Epstein was able to become so wealthy and become so interconnected with heads of states and billionaires and tech founders, it's not because of the trafficking or the island or Lolita Express. It's because everyone else in the room is dumb. That's what he's trying to say. This is like quintessential tuberos in a podcast. He's, like, trying to explain. Let me show you what I know that even the President doesn't know. And that's why the President wants to hang out with me. Bannon Bank. I give you a dollar. One single dollar. In our system of banking, I would say, okay, Steve, I give you a dollar. How much could you lend out to your friends? Your natural reaction would be something less than a dollar, because I want to keep something in my pocket. The way our system works is if you are a bank and holding $1, you can lend out an additional 6, 8 to $9. You're gonna say, no, it's impossible. I only have $1. Jeffrey. We have something called fractional one. You can lend out nine. That's the way our system works. And so not only do leaders not understand banking, but the man on the street, my father, who worked in a park department, it would be beyond his imagination. Next question. He also says he's not impressed meeting world leaders because, quote, I'm not wowed by people of position. I'm wowed by people of great ideas. Whatever Epstein is doing in this interview, self reflection is not part of the plan. What is part of the plan does become clear later. It's clear that Epstein wants. Wants the world to see him as mostly harmless, a mind ahead of his time. Like, maybe he's too eccentric to be bound by the dimensions of human laws. Courtesy of Nicole De Don. Steve Bannon asks Epstein, what are you? A Class 3 sexual predator? Tier 1. Tier 1 is the highest and the worst. No, no, I'm the lowest. I'm the lowest. Jeffrey Epstein is wrong. Or he's lying. I opt for the latter. New York Sex Offender Registration act classifies Tier 1 as the lowest risk, which is techn. What he says. But Epstein was classified as Level 3 sex offender in the state of New York, which is the highest, most dangerous tier. In fact, something totally bizarre happened. A Manhattan prosecutor asked the judge to bump Epstein down from Tier three to Tier one because his crimes were committed all the way in Florida. This is ADA Jennifer Gaffney, by the way, who was the deputy chief of sex crimes in the Manhattan DA's office to. Even the judge was confused. The judge was alarmed, flabbergasted. Did the prosecutor suffer a major brain injury on the way to work? They state in open court. The judge does. I have never seen the prosecutor's office do anything like this to help them. Yeah, I have done so many cases, much less troubling than this one, where prosecutors would never make a downward argument like this. I don't think you did much of an investigation here. I'm quite frankly shocked.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

That is so sus.

[Podcast Host]

Mm.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

That's fucking crazy.

[Podcast Host]

Exactly. The judge denied the request, and Jeffrey Epstein remained a Tier 3 offender in the state of New York, which is neither a Tier 1 offender, nor is it the lowest risk offender. But Steve Bannon is not a fact checker. He lets Epstein ride off into the sunset, trying to present himself as a mostly harmless child sex trafficker. Epstein says that while former world leaders like Bill Clinton have long biographies, he just thinks of himself as Jeffrey Epstein, just a good kid. There's also just some random, bizarre moments from the interview, if you will. Bannon asks him if he considers himself a stoic, to which he responds, no, I consider myself a hermit. Stoics are not very happy. At one point, his phone rings, and the producers tell him to turn the sound off and then flip the phone face down. Steve Bannon comments, yeah. Cause who knows what the fuck comes up on that phone? Then they're later talking about how funny something is. And Steve Bannon says, is there anything funnier than that? It's black humor. I think he means dark humor, but he's Steve Bannon, so I don't know. I hate him. Whatever. I don't think that he thinks much. But Epstein comments. I don't make any black comments. That's right. You're too wrapped up in the MeToo movement. And then, kind of unprompted, Jeffrey Epstein hits everyone with a. You know, there's this argument that I reject that black people are less intelligent than white people, and it's not true. We know, for example, that if I was in a forest and I had to run from the lion or figure out a way not to be eaten, and my competition is a local African, I'm the one who's getting eaten. Because they have the intelligence to deal with their local environment. So it's just different. It's not better, it's not worse. But there's many differences amongst different types of people and people have different intelligences and they excel in some intelligences usually and less so in others, which is a very roundabout way to be racist. He says that kids also shouldn't necessarily be taught how to write because writing forces linear and narrow patterns of thinking. You have to write in a certain form, in a certain way, in a certain linear pattern is what he says, which maybe I guess explains his psychosis inducing grammar. In his emails, Steve Bannon says to Epstein that there is something deeply fucked up with you. And netizens have commented on this interview that Steve Bannon somehow manages to be the most annoying person in the room, where the only other person in the room is Jeffrey fucking Epstein. Other comments read Plot twist this video was recorded this week and not before he dies. Another one is commenting, had this playing in the background while I was working and I'm pretty sure now I have brain damage. But Steve Bannon, he continues, he asks Jeffrey Epstein, let's go back to human life. Where do you think? Like, when does human life start? So you see, this is the question you're asking me to measure something. Again, it cannot be measured. Steve Bennett is like, you just hate making commitments. That's why I'm not married. I'm peeling this onion back a layer at a time. All your bullshit and happy targets can't be measured, can't be measured. This, it's like, you know, it's a commitment. You don't like to make a commitment when you answer a question, as they say in golf, commit to the shot. I don't know what it means to be immeasured. Epstein talks about how Schrodinger was trying to figure out the difference between things that are alive and things that are dead. He says the answer is no. The things that are alive in my world are miracles, not magic. Magic, you know, has a bad connotation. Trying to hide things, things you don't believe in. The spirit or the soul. That's what animates people is your spirit or your soul. No. Have you seen someone die? When they die, their spirit leaves. Their soul leaves. No question. There's no question to you about that? No question. Because people would normally think that you are soulless. Thank you. Describe to me what you mean by that. Like, what do you mean by soul? What do you mean by soul? Different than the physical analog body that you're seeing on film right now. It's difficult to describe in words. I mean, I'm not a poet. Poems get a little closer to what it really means. But even the concept of what is life becomes complicated when you deal with plants and seeds. Is a seed alive? I don't know. Certain people would say, no, it's dead. When you're a banana, one of my favorite examples is the banana that's sitting on your countertop in your kitchen today. Is it alive or is it dead? But your banana is alive. That banana is breathing. It's on your. You know, you say, it's not possible. It's impossible. Jeffrey, is the banana conscious? These are words. So everyone's trying to fit a complicated concept into a very small box called conscious or alive. These don't fit in that way. So if you put your banana in a bag and put another fruit in with it, the fruit ripens faster because the banana breathes with it. We don't understand most of those things. What do you think human life is? It's a miracle. It's a miracle. When I say a miracle, I can't explain it, and I make no attempt to explain it at the moment. We don't know how to think about it. It. He also reflects on how little science knows about romance. He says, quote, I don't know why I'm attracted to somebody. I don't know. People are attracted to each other. And some. Everyone has the same feeling. They've been seeing someone walk in the room and they say, oh, that person gives me a creepy feeling.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

He's talking that.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, science has tried to describe. You know, science doesn't really describe what a creepy feeling means. They just know it's a creepy feeling. He also rambles about how women have intuitive sense, quote, they have feelings and they're able to deal with in the realm of things that men, especially men like myself, find it unexplainable. Women have intuition. Men see things a bit differently. Men want to measure everything. He literally just did not want to measure fucking anything. Women are not interested in measuring. But the interview ends where it was always going to go. Steve Bannon asked, asks if it's okay. You know, Epstein, a predator is out here being a philanthropist. Epstein argues that his philanthropy has nothing to do with his character.

[Guest or Co-host 1]

I just asked a question. Is your money dirty money? No, it's not so. In fact, why is it not dirty money? Because I. I earned it, my heart. But you, you earned it. We went back to this before. You earned it. You earned it advising the worst people in the world, right, that do enormous bad things and just to make more money. Ethics is always a complicated subject. But I can tell you that with the money I gave to help try to eradicate polio in Pakistan and India, instead of asking me whether that money should be given to these children for vaccines, I think you might want to ask their mother who received the vaccine, who know their child now won't get polio, and ask them if Epstein should have helped these people. If we bought money.

[Podcast Host]

Steve Bannon asks if. Okay, yeah, let's say people knew that the money for free vaccines was coming from a sexual predator. What percentage does Epstein think that they would still want the money?

[Guest or Co-host 1]

I would say everyone said, I want the money for my children. Did they know where the money came from? I think if you told them himself, the devil himself said, I'm going to exchange some dollars for you to your child's life. Do you think you're the devil himself? No, but I do have a good mirror. It's a serious question. Do you think you're the devil himself? Why would you say that?

[Podcast Host]

Steve Bannon, almost, in a way to not anger Epstein, explains that the devil is brilliant. Have you read Milton's Paradise Lost? Satan was the number one archangel. He led the rebellion because he couldn't be the top guy. I'd rather reign in hell than serve in heaven. Epstein just stares at him in response. No, the devil scares me. The devil scares me. And then he says, I saw that in a movie once called American Dharma. I don't remember who said it. American Dharma is a documentary about Steve Bannon.

[Guest or Co-host 1]

What?

[Podcast Host]

And Steve Bannon loves Milton's Paradise Lost. And that's why there's a lot of quotes from that book in American Dharma. But the fact that Epstein is quoting Bannon's own favorite quote back to him stating he saw it in a documentary about Bannon, but claiming he doesn't remember where he heard it and doesn't mention that this documentary is about Bannon. It's very strange. Some people have thought, taken it as almost like a threat to Bannon, or is he acting coy or what's happening? But still, the biggest lingering question is, if Epstein is scared of the devil, then who the hell could be the devil? It's announced early into Nancy Guthrie's disappearance that the authorities are going to use a signal sniffer to see if they can find her. Signal sniffers are. It's something created by a man named David Kennedy. It can pick up very, very, very low Bluetooth signals. So you attach it to a drone, you send it off into the fields, and if you have anything that can have a Bluetooth signal, it can find it, such as a pacemaker inside of Nancy's body would have a low frequency Bluetooth signal. And with this announcement, Trump gets involved again. I mean, you have to remember this is like a month leading up to basically the US And Israel starting what I would call a war in Iran. And yet there is a lot of time and energy to comment on this specific news. Not on Nancy Guthrie being missing, which Trump has done, but the fact that they're even going to be using a signal sniffer to try and look for her. Trump states that he does not like this public revelation that signal sniffers are going to be used in the Nancy Guthrie case, stating, quote, I didn't like when they're talking about that they're going after the pacemaker before they even started going after it, they're coming in, reporting it. If in fact they would do that way, the person would say, well, I'm not gonna let that happen. Right. So bad things would happen and he's not gonna let happen. Basically a roundabout way of saying, what's the best way to turn off a pacemaker?

[Guest or Co-host 2]

I see.

[Podcast Host]

But just the President commenting on a case, wouldn't that just draw more attention to it? Trump has been personally getting involved, along with the FBI Director, Cash Patel, and pretty much every single mainstream media news outlet was reporting on Nancy Guthrie's case. Many experts have stated that this public attention on the case, yes, it keeps it on the headlines. Yes, it keeps more people attuned to seeing if they can spot Nancy Guthrie somewhere and if they can spot the suspects in the ring doorbell footage somewhere. But if this really is a ransom kidnapping case, the public attention can actually end up harming the case in a lot of ways, especially when the President of the United States, the FBI Director are getting involved. But there were less eyebrows being raised with Cash Patel's overt involvement in Nancy Guthrie's case. A lot of people think it's very normal for Cash Patel to get involved because he is the director of the FBI. But I would like to say that I disagree because when I was going through Kash Patel's very frequent posting on Twitter and social media platforms, he seems to have a tendency, and this is not like a factual observation, this is an anecdotal thing that I've experienced researching, is that he gets involved in all of the political crimes. You have people south of the border smuggling in drugs. He's going to be posting about it on X when they catch the criminals. Right. Because that's part of the Narrative of like, we want all the illeg out. Yeah, he was heavily posting and involved with. He actually got in quite a bit of trouble between many of politicians for being too involved early on in releasing information that was likely inaccurate about the Charlie Kirk shooting that happened. So all of these are heavily political topics. Yeah, Nancy Guthrie is not political, but he's getting heavily involved. So it's very strange. I mean, the timing is odd. So what would incentivize Kash Patel to get so invested and involved if it's not the Epstein files? I mean, why this case and not any other case? What's happening in that time period? January 22, 2026. So this is like a week before Nancy Guthrie goes missing. And it's been gaining traction since a New York Times expose goes live detailing what the FBI has been like since Cash Patel took over. They were able to interview 45 bureau employees, former and current. And. And the feeling is this is hell. Hell is here. We're living in hell. That's the feeling of the article, the Expose. The expose examines how Cash Patel was a former public defender who never worked for the FBI a day in his life and actually was quite the conspiracy theorist, evidenced by his many, many, way too many, far too many appearances. On podcast, Kash Patel said that he wants to shut down the Bureau headquarters and reopen it as a museum of the deep state. That's what he stated before he became the director. He didn't do that. But he does indeed go get rid of the Bureau's top six executives, likely due to their connections and work prosecuting Trump. The sentiment being is if you were assigned to the January six investigation because you don't get to pick cases in the bureau, like, these are agents that get assigned a case. A lot of agents said the sentiment inside the Bureau was that once Cash Patel took over, if you Even touch the January 6th case, you might get fired just because you worked on that case. There were a lot of just bozo moments exposed in the article. One field office leader stated that they were shocked by Kash Patel's brain, stating, quote, patel had his first director's call with the heads of all the field offices. He had no agenda, no organized thoughts, no strategy or leadership philosophy or priorities to share. I specifically remember him stating at one point, I don't read. I don't read. He explained he doesn't read briefing material. He apparently doesn't do calls either. So one agent states that typically there is a weekly meeting with all the leaders of the field offices on Wednesdays with the Director of the FBI, but he stopped doing that. So things just kept getting dropped and missed. And because everyone's supposed to have their own individual calls with the director. But, like, that's a lot of call. Things are not good. And this is an opinion, of course, but I think a Driscoll sweetest batch Blueberry has a stronger work ethic than Kash Patel. Agents. Remember how he had to go to the Five Eyes Conference, which is the intelligence alliance between the us, uk, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. And, quote, before the conference, his staff says he's unhappy because he doesn't like meetings in office settings. What he wants is social events. He wants premier soccer games. He wants to go jet skiing. He'd like a helicopter tour. Everyone who'd heard about this was like, hold on. Is he really going to ask MI5, the director of MI5, to go jet skiing instead of going to a meeting? This is a job, guys. His staff only cared about three things. What his meals were, when his workouts would be, and what his entertainment would be.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

Who exactly is saying this? One of a former employee or current? What is happening?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Also side note, for someone who has dedicated teams to meals and workouts, he does not have a physique that reflects that much. But I digress. Okay. They continue. The biggest plan is how he's going to get his girlfriend in there so she can go to the Windsor Castle. He's got his assistant, just like a true executive concierge, and when she's not getting the food or the workout she wants, she'll just start screaming at people. Make it happen.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

The girlfriend?

[Podcast Host]

No, the assistant. And. But he wants his girlfriend to go everywhere, which that was a whole thing. So he, Cash Patel, is constantly under fire for using the FBI jet and taxpayer dollar to go fly to his girlfriend's concert. She's like a country singer that nobody listens to. I mean, some people listen to her. Nobody listens to her. Okay. He would fly, and then they would fly from one city to another back to her home in Nashville. And apparently the FBI officer office in Nashville, where she lives, is just like private security for her these days.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

Right, right, right.

[Podcast Host]

They can't even get any work done.

[Guest or Co-host 1]

Wow.

[Podcast Host]

It's the allegation. It's the sentiment.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

How long has he been in this position?

[Podcast Host]

I think, like, it's been a year, a year and a half.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

Oh, okay.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. And then apparently during the Five Eyes Conference, they all go to the Castle and they take a picture with the king. Fantastic. Loving life. Great. Now, some of the members of These intelligence agencies overseas, they are not public figures. It's not like the director of the FBI. They're like very secret figures. They're in non disclosed positions. You can't even file paperwork to see what position they're in. That's the intention. Kash Patel though, wants to post this picture on social media. Apparently, according to this expose, they're all like, hey, so what kitchen cooking herb? Are you smoking over there? You cannot post this fucking picture. But he apparently goes back and forth allegedly begging these people, these undisclosed intelligence agency running commands.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

Is it like a group photo?

[Podcast Host]

Yes. That he wants to post this picture onto social media because he was taking

[Guest or Co-host 2]

a picture with the king?

[Podcast Host]

Yeah.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

Did he post it?

[Podcast Host]

No. Wow. Dan Bongino is the deputy director. Well, former. Not anymore. Which usually. So a lot of people are saying that with the deputy director of the FBI, it has been long standing tradition to choose a career in agent. So the FBI director is typically well connected to politicians because that's how they get appointed. But the deputy director, this is the second hand in charge. They've been in the bureau for probably their whole career.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

Right.

[Podcast Host]

Because that's what you need. You need someone who knows every rank file, how things work, how things have been done. Not because they're so stuck in tradition, but like they know the ins and outs of the bureau. They choose instead. Dan Bongino, who is a right wing podcaster and a former Secret Service agent, he doesn't even like the bureau. He called, called it thugs for the Democrat Party. One agent states that there was real concern in the bureau stating, quote, we were going to have two people who. It would not be an exaggeration to say they were conspiracy theorists with very little experience in federal law enforcement. Wow. I will say the levels in government a male podcaster can get in this administration needs to be studied and then needs to be just like quickly stopped. One of the most notable things that he does once he's assigned though is Dan Bongino tries to create a new physical fitness test that is not backed by evidence or research. So he's like, I need all the bureau agents to be fucking fit. He wanted to have equality for men and women in the sense that they would have to do the exact same number of pull ups, which means a large number of probably more competent. Okay, sorry. Very competent female agents and recruits would be lost. Valuable personnel would be lost because they can't do as many pull ups as their male counterparts. That's crazy. So one agent stated to Bongino and apparently allegedly Dan Bongino tells them, you can have the best female agent take down the biggest case in our history. But if on one ring door camera video, she's out of shape or overweight, that's going to be the story. The agent comments he was worried about whether or not they'd look good on doorbell camera. He said, it's the way these times are. I think that's the way you are. I don't think anyone else would have thought that. He has since stepped down as the FBI deputy director to go back to his podcast, he's also taken a role in the whole Epstein file files which both of them, before they held positions in the FBI, they kind of hinted on podcasts that they did not believe that Epstein self exited. But Kash Patel, once he becomes the director, he states like, no, it was a self exit. It was a self exit. It's been reported by agents to the expose that there's too much commingling with dhs, the Department of Homeland Security. Fuck ice, formerly run by Kristi Noem. She has since been fired, promoted. We don't know. Like she has a whole new position that was created just for her because the speculation by a lot of people is that if she were straight up fired, she would start singing like a little canary. So there's a whole new position. I don't know what that position does, but one agent says they also had to juggle Kristi Noem, the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security who wanted to ride in our tactical vehicle to do her TV stuff. That makes all the operators uneasy and it makes them less safe. A lot of agents also said that the connection between the FBI and DHS was just not good. They say, quote, because FBI agents are posting up with Homeland Security, citizens think we're part of ice. Fuck ice, which disrupts other investigations. It used to be that you could sit in front of a house watching another house and a lot of the time people were okay with that. They might help you. Now they're scared because they think you're ice, because nobody's really scared of the FBI. You know, like I would say I'm. I feel like I would be less scared if to help an FBI agent than like even police officers. Is the sentiment that I'm trying to say. I'm not. I don't know if there's factual this. I don't know if there's any fact to it, but because there's a lot of tension between citizens and police officers, citizens typically have a little more leeway with federal agents because they're not around a lot.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

Yeah, I get it. So the FBI agents say fuck I.

[Podcast Host]

Right? Yeah, exactly. That's exactly. Yeah. Which side note about ice? They're stalking Reddit threads. Okay. This is like a side note. Ken Klippenstein, who did. He was the one that released Luigi Mangione's note manifesto, whatever they wanted to call it. Right. But he is like this incredible journalist. But he released an expose about Homeland Security field agents monitoring conversations on Reddit. There was an internal intelligence bulletin that Ken got his hands on where they're talking about Reddit user Budget Chicken2, who was posting about federal overreach on Reddit and wanted to gather a protest outside the Border Patrol facility nearby in Texas where he lives. This is not a big call for a rally. Yeah, this is not a big call for a revolution, the post just innocently reads. In light of today's events, I'm rallying people to support our rights and freedom, not just for ourselves, but for our neighbors, family and community. We need volunteers to be witnesses and spread awareness. The more we are silent, the faster it'll come to us, the Department of Homeland Security bulletin reads. The post generated some engagement on the platform, including supporting comments, logistical concerns and opposition, underscoring both local sensitivity to perceived immigration enforcement activity and the symbolic value of federal facilities as protest sites. At the time of this assessment, there is no specific reporting indicating plans for violence against DHS personnel or facilities in connection with call to this protest. But the more alarming part is the bulletin goes on and states they they did like a digital footprint check of budget taken 2425 listing that their favorite subreddits are R Texas, R Movies, R Stephen King, and Fuck I'm Old. And even that gets specific, stating in the Fuck I'm Old subreddit. He likes to reminisce about classic television productions like Ubu Productions and Gracie Films on R Stephen Keem. He engages mostly with community posts about book collections.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

So they're stalking this online user who

[Podcast Host]

is not even like, it's shocking because they're not posting. I mean, do they monitor rapists like this online? Or child offenders who get released that just, quote, slip through the cracks? I didn't think so. So why are you so bizarre? It's so scary.

[Guest or Co-host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

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Huh?

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So don't be confused that this was hard work for American people rights to know who amongst the rich and powerful are criminals, which at this point, if we are a casino, you would make a killing just assuming everyone is first a bad person, then giving them the benefit of the doubt. The article reports that more than 20% of the FBI's workforce has been assigned to immigration enforcement, which impacts the amount of personnel that can investigate other things like public corruption, white collar crime, kidnappings. Wow. One agent stated, I remember praying that we didn't have a terrorist attack, mass shooting, or a cyberpunk attacks slipped through the cracks because my agents who were highly trained to protect against such threats were assigned to immigration enforcement. Another agent says, I did not go to law school. I did not go to Quantico and work counterterrorism operations overseas to doing traffic control for arrest a brown person day. Wow. So the bureau is known for using polygraphs to get security clearance where they ask you questions and you know, they ask you questions that you would imagine that they ask you. But now they said that the bureau is just doing. This is an allegation that if you, if there is a leak, because there's a lot of leaks in this administration in all departments, even I think recently there was a Pentagon league with how many casualties there were in the Iran situation recently. But this leak, if there's leaks in the FBI, allegedly Cash Patel will have employees polygraphed and they will be asked if they said anything negative about Cash battle, which feels like very emotional and sensitive. I mean, it's definitely morally and ethically bankrupt if this is occurring. But could you imagine a female director doing something like that? The scathing adjectives she would be called. She would be framed as a soft, whiny baby bitch who wants everyone to love and worship her because she's probably a whore, but instead, cash. But how can you be such a soft, sensitive little person?

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Unbelievable.

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One agent says, quote, they were polygraphing their own senior leadership team because they were so mad about being media leaks. Then soon after the Charlie Kirk shooting, Cash Patel flies to Utah and the first thing he wants is a raid jacket. FBI raid jacket. They don't have one in his size. Which side note, leadership doesn't wear raid jackets. Okay, so FBI, when they do raids, they wear FBI on their back. But once you're in a leadership position, you wear a suit, you don't wear a raid jacket. But allegedly Trump told Patel he wants to see the raid jackets everywhere because he, he wants the feds to take the credit for a lot of things. Is the allegation in the expose. Okay, I don't know. I don't know. I'm not in these rooms. I don't know any of these conversations. But they don't have a size medium. So in this very crucial moment of, I don't know, solving a crime, whatever, he has the SWAT team take off their patch. Like the SWAT patch So that he can wear just the FBI letters to the press conference, which is just odd. And then here's this long quote after he gets their quote. Quote. Whenever there is a critical incident, one of the first things that happens is a conference call with everybody. All the executives, most of the field offices dial in. The director rarely speaks because someone with situational awareness is leading the call. Because there's an emergency, you got to be there. Like, you have to have. You know what's going on. They'll say, here's what happened. Here's what we know. Here's what we need. But we get on, and it's just Cash berating the special agent in charge of solving Lake. He's super emotional. Which side note, emotional in a leadership position such as being the director of the FBI is never good. I don't think they use the word emotional as a way to display his humanity. They continue. Then it turns surreal. Cash Patel and Dan Bongino start talking about their Twitter strategy. And Cash is like, I'm gonna tweet this. Salt Lake. You tweet that, Dan, you come in with this, and then I'll come back with this. They're, like, literally scripting out social media, not talking about how we're going to respond or resources or the situation. He's screaming that he wants to put stuff out, but nothing's been vetted yet. It's not even accurate. Everyone on the call is just like, this guy is completely out of control. On another call, he said, when a crisis happens, the only thing you need to do is call me. The most important thing in any crisis is controlling the narrative. I was like, no, no, no, no. We actually have to do some work here. Like, we're going to have to investigate.

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Wow.

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The most alarming message coming from the FBI insiders is that they feel the way that Kash Patel is running the bureau is. It's just a weapon of the White House. And the diverting of resources is leaving the country vulnerable to attack, which we now know in this situation, which call it the conflict, call it the war in Iran. That's not good. I will say these are all of the allegations and quotes that you can find on the New York Times expose. However, the FBI spokesperson Ben Williamson had said about this expose, this story is a regurgitation of fake narratives. Conjecture and speculation from anonymous sources were disconnected from reality. They can whine and pedal falsehoods all they want, but it won't change the fact that the FBI, under this administration worked with partners at every level and delivered a historic 2020. A White House spokesperson states President Trump and FBI Director Kash Patel are restoring integrity to the FBI by returning its focus to fighting crime and letting good cops be cops. So, I don't know, you take the expose as you will. Maybe you hate the New York Times, but I will say Kash Patel is a very odd individual in my opinion, because he also has a children's book, a real children's book that you can purchase where he's a wizard and he saves King Donald Trump, Trump from the evil, disgusting, filthy doj. The book is called the Plot against the King and it's marketed for five year olds and up. I also think it's a trilogy, which, like, God damn. Okay, I'm still waiting for final installments of trilogies from some of my favorite authors. And here we have this trilogy. But also the second one does not seem to be sold on Amazon anymore. So I don't know if it's a duology. And he just like weirdly named the first one and then the third one and skip number two. I don't know if two is a bad number for him or the second one is just pulled from the shelves. I don't know. I don't know. But that still doesn't answer why is Trump getting involved in all of this? So it seems like Kash Patel has better things that he wants people to pay attention to, like the Nancy Guthrie case versus probably this New York Times expose. But what about Trump? Is he just making a comment since he's worked with Savannah Guthrie previously and has had interactions with her? Is that why he wants to be of assistance? I mean, I guess you could say that, or you could say that some people think that the idea of a disappearance being the only thing that the country wants to talk about could be a really good opportunity to not talk about other things. January 30, the DOJ releases the single largest drop of Epstein files like I've noted, including the one there's a picture of the former Prince Andrew crouched over a redacted female's body who's laying on the ground. EP Everybody is clothed, but it's not a great picture. February 1, Nancy Guthrie disappears from her home. February 2, Epstein survivors are rightfully enraged and traumatized because the DOJ, who seems to have spent a ton of manpower to redact the names of high powered businessmen and billionaires from their files, they have left a ton of documents unredacted that clearly show underage victims names, personal information, and ways that people can find out where they are. Are now even more traumatizing. According to the New York Times, nearly 40 unredacted images that show both nude bodies and the faces of the people portrayed were left unredacted for the public. Quote, the people in the photos appeared to be young, although it was unclear whether they were minors. Some of the images seem to show Mr. Epstein's private island, including a beach. Others were taken in bedrooms and other private spaces. While photos of powerful men were mysteriously redacted in some cases for no reason. Reason. The lawyers representing the victim state, it's kind of unfeasible to think that the DOJ would make mistakes like this. Quote, doj cannot plausibly characterize this as an error, negligence, or bureaucratic failure. The task was straightforward. Take the list of known victims and redact those names everywhere they appear. When DOJ believed it was ready to publish, it needed only to type each victim's name into its own search function. Any resulting hit should have been redacted before publication. Had DOJ done that, the harm would have been avoided. Another attorney states, this whole thing is ridiculous. The DOJ was ordered to release information to the public to be transparent about Epstein and Maxwell's criminal enterprise network. Instead, they released the names of courageous victims who had fought hard for decades to remain anonymous and out of the limelight. Whether the disclosures were inadvertent or not, they had one job to do it and they did not do it. But instead, we're talking about Nancy Guthrie. February 3rd. Trump states that he wants to nationalize voting. Voting Fulton county in Georgia stated that they will be suing the FBI. I think just giving thorough context for this would require like 10 business days. But the administration and the FBI raided and seized a bunch of voting ballots from Fulton county in Georgia from the 2020 presidential election. And Trump comes out to state on Dan Bongino's podcast that he thinks that we should nationalize voting in the United States because constitutionally, US Elections are governed by the state. State. He doesn't want that anymore, which is a huge cause for concern. But he. Yeah, there's just a lot. Yeah, he's saying it's because the election was stolen, but a lot of people are saying it's much harder to hack 50 systems than hack one system. And during all of this, Trump is interviewed and he says, speaking of Epstein, I will say this. A reporter named Wolf and Epstein conspired. This just came out yesterday in the millions of pages of. Of documents. How crazy this is. Conspired against me in order to fight like hell to make sure I lose the election. That's the only thing that was mentioned about me. Now the Democrats, some really bad stuff. Epstein conspired against me. That takes care of Epstein as far as Trump is concerned. But you got a lot of Democrats out there that are very much involved with Epstein. But I'll be honest with you, you gotta get back to running the country too. Which. Yeah. When he's asked specifically about some of his very close associates, such as Howard Lutnick and, and Elon Musk being in the files, Trump responds, I have a lot of things I'm doing. I think it's really time for the country to get on something else, really now that nothing came about me other than it was a conspiracy against me, literally by Epstein and other people. But I think it's time now for the country to maybe get onto something else. And then he states that the reporter from CNN needs to smile more, quote, and this is like in the Oval Office with a whole gaggle of press. She's a young woman I've known for 10 years. I don't think I've ever smelled seen a smile on your face. You know why you're not smiling? Because you know you're not telling the truth and you're a very dishonest organization and you should be very ashamed of yourself. She was asking him about Epstein survivors, so naturally she was not smiling at the time. And many netizens feel that it's very odd for Trump to want the world to let go of the Epstein files and move on from it when they just release so much information, damning information against various people. So let's get into the latest drop of the first files. I will say that this is not an all encompassing video on the Epstein files because it's literally impossible. The Rotten Mango team is. I mean, we're really lucky to be growing our team. But still, at the very end of the day, I think we're pretty super, super, super small team compared to any news network or even other podcasts. We're a very small team, I don't think. I think you'd be shocked to see how intimate the core team is. And intimate being a nice way of saying small and very well caffeinated. I wish I could dedicate everyone to go through files because a lot of people have requested updates on the Epstein files and we did our best to get through as much as possible. But with all the other cases that people have been requesting to be covered, especially the international ones that are less known about, we've been trying to work on everything at the same time. So this is not going to be like a comprehensive, exhaustive overview of everything that's been released, but we'll try to keep giving you updates as we go. So with that being said, the next audio episode is going to be an updated episode on on the Epstein case. 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