What if leadership isn’t just shaped by strategy, structure, or individual capability but by the energetic field we are participating in together?

In this deeply spacious episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Alan Briskin and Mary Gelinas, longtime practitioners and teachers whose work bridges collective wisdom, neuroscience, spirituality, and conscious social change.

Together, we explore the reality that space is not empty, that it is alive with information, relationships, and potential. Drawing on insights from their book Space Is Not Empty, Alan and Mary invite us to sense leadership as a relational, emergent practice rather than a position or role. This conversation moves beyond concepts into a felt, lived experience. We speak about field awareness, language, shared power, polarization, and what becomes possible when leaders learn to listen not just to words, but to the space between us.

This episode is an invitation to slow down, to feel, and to experience leadership differently, not as control, but as participation in something wiser than any one of us.

About Today’s Guests:

Alan Briskin, PhD is an award-winning author, leadership consultant, and a pioneer in the field of collective wisdom. For over four decades, he has worked with nonprofits and mission-driven organizations, including Kaiser Permanente, Sutter Health, and the George Lucas Educational Foundation. Alan is a co-founder of the Collective Wisdom Initiative, a Noted Humanist Scholar at Saybrook University, and has served as Senior Advisor to the Institute of Noetic Sciences, the Goi Peace Foundation in Tokyo, and the One Humanity Institute in Poland.

Mary Gelinas, EdD is a managing director of Gelinas James, Inc., and an author, consultant, educator, and executive coach devoted to conscious social change. She is the author of Talk Matters! Saving the World One Word at a Time and brings decades of experience in organizational change, neuroscience, and embodied leadership. For 20 years, she co-led the Cascadia Center for Leadership, graduating over 500 leaders across sectors, and has worked with organizations including Genentech, California State Polytechnic University Humboldt, and public-sector institutions.

Learn More About Today’s Guests

Space Is Not Empty website →www.spaceisnotempty.net
Alan’s website ****→ www.alanbriskin.com
Mary’s website → www.gelinasjames.com
Space Is Not Empty on LinkedIn →https://www.linkedin.com/company/space-is-not-empty/about/
Alan on LinkedIn →https://www.linkedin.com/in/alan-briskin-a9637b6/
Mary On LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/marygelinas/

About the Host

Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership.

Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com