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Welcome to the Salt Strong podcast, disrupting fishing entertainment as you know it. Prepare to laugh, prepare to get to know fishing legends in a whole new and unfiltered way. And on occasion, you might even learn a thing or two about fishing. Here's your host, Joe Simons. Like diamonds, yo.
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B
Fwc, yeah, you know me. That's what Dylan Hubbard says when things go aw and he doesn't like it. Guys, if you haven't been watching on social media, there has been a lot of outcry. There's people ticked off. We had our look, our president's retreat just a few weeks ago and we had anglers coming in from, from all over the place, nine different states. And we witnessed it firsthand where they wanted to go fishing. The one they were just weight fishing for an afternoon. Like, man, it is impossible to go get just a, a day license or a three day or a seven day. And they were told on a Saturday that they were gonna have to, you know, basically wait. We're like, this is the craziest thing ever. Or, you know, pay the full now annual out of state tuition, if you will, plus an extra snook tag and lobster tag. All this stuff that just, it didn't make sense. And Dylan has been very vocal on this. And there was a whole. Was it a change.org and we got thousands of thousands of people up signing that and just as we're recording this just the day before, found out that it looks like it's reversed until I see it actually happen in June 1st. I won't officially believe it, but it sounds like it is moving in the right direction. So want to have Dylan on to first talk about what happened and then two, talk about how we're able to get this change with essentially just voices, right? Of voters, of people who are concerned. We had a lot of anglers. I mean, the news got involved and I know you were the one kind of behind the scenes stirring, stirring the pot and getting everyone, getting everyone excited about, about joining on this. So one, welcome back to the show. This is not your first time, not your first rodeo on the Salt Strong podcast. Good to see you.
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C
Yeah, good to see you guys. Thanks for having me. And definitely this has been a hot button issue for me. And a lot of people are confused. They're like, why is a charter captain complaining about this? Because you can buy a charter captain's license. You can, but only in saltwater. So while this didn't affect my business personal at Hubbard's Marina, where we are saltwater fishing guides in the State of Florida and we have the opportunity to buy a charter license that covers our guests while they're on our trips. So you don't need a license to fish with us. The problem is I'm the president of the Florida Guides association and the vice president of the Gulf Wide Charter Fishermen's association. And as a charter fisherman's representative, freshwater guides are left out in the state of Florida. If you're a freshwater guide, you don't have that option to buy a charter license. So your guests have to get a license. And this change severely impact impacted those freshwater guides. And it's just not right how, how they went about this. The, the handling of it, the communication of it, everything was, the bow was extremely fumbled and it was, it was time to set that wrong. Right?
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D
Yeah, yeah. We have members across the southeast and yet and I didn't realize this was even happening until we had that, that presence retreat. And so they had to spend a portion of their day to go to the tax collector to buy a fishing line. It's like I thought they were joking. I was like no, just do it online. And yeah, that was when I heard it was that even happened. It just seems this day and age to not be able to buy something like that online. Especially for people on vacation who's like time is even more valuable per hour. I was shocked. And the fact that it wasn't voted on or anything was definitely a disappointing surprise.
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C
Yeah, I mean as a online company yourselves, you realize how silly it is in 2026 to not have a license available online. Essentially it was FWC's way of subverting regulations. They don't have the authority to increase license fees. They don't have that ability to change license fees. And they wanted to, but they weren't getting the support to do so. So this was a, basically an end around of regulations. It was a government agency blatantly and publicly ignoring regulations. And what they did was they took away the ability, the convenience to get that three and seven day license, license and they were telling people go get it at a select retailer. Which there's not a lot of select retailers around. And in Pinellas county the few that were there, many of them got impacted by the hurricane and now aren't retailers anymore. And so it just, it created a huge roadblock to the fishery for out of state residents. And many were forced to go to the DMV and try to wait an hour, two hours, three hours on their vacation to get a license or you're left with the oh it's A little easier should I just get an annual license? And an annual license wouldn't have been that bad. But then they were mandatorily tacking on the snook and lobster, making that annual license exponentially more expensive, so de facto increasing license fees even though they're not allowed to do that. And that was the big sticking point for me. Everybody was like, why do you care? I care because I don't want to sit idly by and let a government agency, in the light of day right in our face, subvert policy and then
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B
basically ignore the law with no vote or anything like that. How do they have the authority to, let's just say, eliminate two options, the 3 and 7, and essentially increase the price of annual for an out of state or. But they can't change the price on the normal.
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C
Well, they didn't eliminate the three and seven day. And that was, that was the trick. That was the end around. They didn't eliminate them, they just made them unavailable on their website. So they took away the convenience. So you could still get them if you were willing to go to a tax collector's office or one of those select retailers. And what was so frustrating to me is everybody's like, well Walmart sells licenses. Just go to Walmart. What are you complaining about? Well, Walmart a long time ago stopped staffing their fishing area. All you have at Walmart is a little kiosk, a computer that serves up the FWC website. So when these geniuses made this decision to stop serving those three and seven day licenses on the FWC website, all of a sudden you couldn't get a three or seven day license at Walmart. And so everybody was like, get a license at Walmart. Well, you couldn't. The most frustrating part of this whole thing, guys, is a couple weeks ago FWC was like, oh, you can get a license at Walmart again. We fixed it. And they were celebrating that. And I looked into that the way they did that was FWC gave your tax dollars to incentivize the Walton foundation to change their computer system again, sell three and seven day licenses at select Walmarts. So the big win that FWC was celebrating, trying to make it sound like, oh, we appeased Captain Hubbard and everybody else upset by this by making Walmart sell fishing licenses again. They did that by incentivizing this huge corporation with your tax dollars. How about you guys save those tax dollars since your budget is so in such a bad place and simply make them available once again on the website? That would have been much Cheaper, much easier. And it would have solved the problem. But again, they're making really, really just ludicrous decisions on their own with no oversight. And I was sick of it. It was making me pretty angry. As you have seen in the videos.
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B
Yeah, yeah. It's not like we're asking to go invest in new technology to finally be able to buy them online. We've had that. We've had this. Our buddy Captain Shea, he's a, he's a guide here in Winter Haven, obviously a freshwater guide. And he's been very vocal because it changes his business. He's got people from all over that come down and what you made the point on your video. A lot of these people are coming down for a weekend and then are told that they have to go to dmv. And they're like, well, it's not even open on the weekend. And even if it was a Thursday or a Friday, that's the worst experience ever when you're on vacation. Like, you want to go have a beer and relax and enjoy the sun, not sitting inside sweating and you know, we can go on and on about, about that. I'm curious. It was six. Oh, go for it, John.
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C
To tack on to that real quick. The other thing was fwc. I talked to folks early on at the licensing department and they were like, well, Mr. Hubbard, if you're worked up about this, you can become a licensed dealer yourself. And they were like, oh, we're having much more people, many more people sign up to be licensed dealers. I was like, it's because you're extorting people and forcing businesses to either sell these licenses or go out of business. And in order to sell a license, you have to have bonded employees. So anybody who touches that computer has to have $100,000 bond. You have to have a special computer, a special printer, and you have to have the state as an authorized user on your bank account. And on top of all of that, the transaction fee, the profit is $0.50 for credit card sales. So as a business own owner, you could see the huge incentive there to become a licensed dealer. How about you just make it available
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D
online and, and if, if the budget, assuming it was done because there's budget shortfalls, is just be transparent. And, and like I've traveled around a decent amount. I don't know any other state that I could. That could get a out of state license for 17 bucks.
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C
Yeah.
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D
So like I, I think had it gone through full transparency. Hey, we need to raise some money. Here are options to do so maybe Bump up out of state a little bit, probably would have gotten the votes and then everybody'd be happy. But don't make it less efficient. But yeah, full transparency. They probably could have gotten a much better outcome without upsetting their user base.
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C
And that's my issue, is this change happened right around an FWC commission meeting. And the whole reason we take time off of work and travel to these FWC Commission meetings is we're supposed to be a stakeholder driven process. We're supposed to have those conversations, conversations in the light of day. We have a sunshine law in Florida for a reason. These conversations and decisions are supposed to happen in the light of day, in the sunshine. And for all this to happen behind closed doors in the dead of night is another reason that I got pretty worked up about the situation.
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B
I'm really curious and you might not have this data, but it's six months approximately this went on.
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C
Yep.
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B
Do you, do you know or think that they made more money because of this or lost money with people either just saying, screw it, I'll take my chance and not even get a license,
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C
or I have, I, I was in the process of FOIA requesting a lot of that information. I haven't heard back on my FOIA requests. And at this point it's a moot point because this should be solved by June 1st. But in, in my experience as a, as a business owner on the front lines of this, because again, you don't need a license to fish with us at Hubbard' Arena. But a lot of our guests will come into town, fish with us one day. They don't want to charter fish their whole vacation. They're going to fish with us one or two or three days and then they're going to fish from the beach or fish from the jetty or fish from the bridge. So we saw it all the time. People come in, we had these little handouts, these little pieces of paper that explained how to get a license, where to get a license, the URL, all that to make it easy for out of state residents. And so people who have come year after year after year came in the office asking for that piece of paper and we had to tell them, no, this year you got to go to the dmv, bud. And the look on their eyes and their frustration and the anger that we faced in our tackle shop every day was really frustrating. And then also to hear most of their reactions, I would say a large majority of them would just laugh and say, well, I guess I'm not getting the license this year. Because, I mean, again, they have come into town year after year after year, and they have bought licenses year after year after year. And how many times were they getting stopped and asked for that fishing license? Not many. So they were already aware that they could get away with fishing without a license and likely not run into enforcement. So many people, in my opinion, under this brilliant change, just decided to forego a license. And I think we had a huge increase in the. In the number of people fishing without a license. But in talking to the licensing department around early spring this year, they were boasting that, oh, actually, it's increased the number of sales of annual license. And I was like, it's hard not to cuss because I get so angry. But I was like, no, really? Your number of annual licenses increased?
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B
No longer.
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C
Because that's the only license you're offering on your website. Genius. It's not some big revelation. You didn't change anything other than you're basically only offering that annual license. And the other thing he was celebrating with me on the phone is, oh, we have more licensed dealers. Well, of course you do, because these tackle shops, like the gentleman you mentioned earlier in Winter Haven, the only option for a lot of those small tackle shops on the freshwater side of things were they had to become a licensed dealer because that's the only way they were going to be able to keep their business running.
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B
That's wild what you just said about you only make 50 cents, the government now is tied into your bank accounts. Like, all that just seems crazy. And.
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C
And the worst part is $100,000 bond per employee that touches that computer.
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B
That's bonkers.
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C
Yeah, it's ridiculous. And. And on the.
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D
Com.
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C
On the phone with them about becoming a licensed dealer, he was like, well, what's it going to take to make. He was basically starting a negotiation with like, how much money do you want to make this work? And I was like, how about you guys don't give me any taxpayer dollars? How about you just make it available on your website? I mean, it was really, really asinine and frustrating, this whole process.
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B
All right, so you did this video that I'll call. It went viral. I mean, it got a lot of views. The news got a hold of it. And obviously you're tied in with Fox and have probably a Rolodex of some other people. I saw it from a bunch of different reporters. We're talking about it. There was the change.org. what else were you doing in this kind of grassroots? I'll just call it a grassroots Campaign to try to get awareness and change it. What else happened behind the scenes?
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C
Well, I think it wasn't just me. Right. While I appreciate the sentiment, it definitely wasn't me alone. It was a big team effort with many people across the state pushing the same amount of effort and the same kind of tactics. And then also it was working with organizations like the Florida Guides association, the American Sport Fish association, the American Sport Fishing association actually had their lobbyists on, on board helping us out. And very highly effective lobbyists at that. And we've been in conversations with them. Plus a lot of people at the FWC themselves were upset about this and unfortunately couldn't really speak out publicly in fear for their job. But even FWC commissioners discussed at the last commission meeting how this needed to be changed. So there was a lot of people on board. I think it just needed a little bit of added pressure and I think that's what these videos accomplished. I was doing press releases a lot. I've learned to be a little effective on the press release front. So I was doing a lot of press releases, getting a lot of press coverage, radio stations, news stations. I did interviews with news stations as far south as Fort Myers, Marco island, as far east as the east coast of Florida and our local market as well. So we got a lot of news media coverage which garnered even more support for that Change.org petition. And I mean, we were almost to 6,000 signatures on that Change.org petition in a very short amount of time. So it was clear to me that there was a lot of support. And I think that's why the state legislation ultimately got so involved so quickly, especially just because timing was right. The state legislation is right now in session in Tallahassee trying to finalize our state budget before the deadline of July 1st. So while they're horse trading on the budget, it was easy for the Senate and the House to just add language in there mandating the FWC add these life licenses back available online. And that threat alone was enough to pressure FWC top brass to relent and make these licenses available online. So the big news is they will be back available online and things will be back to normal by June 1, which is huge for the summer coming,
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B
maybe to shed some light on who made this decision, because you mentioned some of the commissioners were wanting to change it back. Who ultimately made the decision, you know, without any other.
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C
It was a man named Rhett Boyd and George Worthen at fwc. These are two upper level staff members. It was not a commission decision. It was not some Low level staff. It wasn't some big internal. Most FWC employees learned about this because I started calling them upset back in December. So I mean, most of FWC was even unaware of this change until it really, until they started hearing everyone complain about it. And like I said, we've been working on this since about December of 2025. So for me, I was really worked up, working hard on it. December and January, then spring, we got busy and I kind of, I kind of let it slide a little bit. But then through spring break, we heard so many people complaining and upset and angry and fishing without a license. It really kind of came ahead. So for me, I was really motivated to hit the ground running and tackle this hard before our summer season. And luckily everything kind of lined up with this state legislation, budget hearing and, and all the pieces fell together and we just got lucky and were able to get this done very quickly.
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B
Well, how, how did these two guys have the authority to, to do that?
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C
Rhett Boyd is the assistant director and I don't know George Worthen's title off the top of my head, but super high level FWC employees. And I had a conversation with Rhett and I was outlaying all these points and trying to be catching flies with honey and not being super hostile. And he basically summed it up, was like, hey, deal with it, sorry. And he was open to having future discussions, but not open whatsoever in trying to fix it, which is frustrating. And now to hear that they're going to be forced to fix it is a good thing. And now we can go about doing it the right way, which is going back to the table to have the discussion of. All right, FWC's in need of budget, in need of funding. We need to fund plenty of science and we need more enforcement for our great law enforcement officers and more training for law enforcement officers. So, so let's go back to the table and figure out what that looks like and what we need to lobby legislation to get.
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B
That's interesting. Yeah, go for it, Luke.
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D
I was gonna say, yeah, FWC does amazing work. That's why I hope, I hope this isn't making FWC look bad. Yeah. Because we went out and even done some of the fish counts with them. What they're doing is amazing and, and they're passionate about their job and obviously their costs are going up just like everybody else's. And the, the fact that that same. I don't know how long it's been $17, you know, that it probably is something that should be increased, but like do it the right way, not, not behind those doors.
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C
The three day license is only $17. And, and you hit the nail on the head. The, the science folks at fwri, the Florida Florida Wildlife Research Institute, it's housed right here in St. Pete. I, I know it intimately. I've, I've led workshops there. I've been a tour guide there. I, I love that place. And, and our biologists in the state of Florida are some of the after because FWRI does such a great job with science and providing fisheries independent data that actually Florida and FWRI is highly sought after by students because they know they can get a job there, learn and be trained by some of the best and then they're so highly headhunted out of our state. So Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, North Carolina, those DNRs actively headhunt our people, our biologists, because they pay more. FWC and FWRI are not well compensated. Our biologists do amazing work and they're really good at their jobs and their compensation packages are well below national averages. So I agree we need to increase funding, but we have to do it the right way. We can't do it in this slimy, under the table, behind closed doors way. We have to work together, we have to engage stakeholders and we have to have legitimate, constructive conversations in the light of day.
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B
Day. Yeah, that, that specimen room there in St. Pete, it's like a library of every single species that's ever existed in Florida. That was so cool. We spent an hour or two in there and I was blown away. I was like, my daughter would love. This was so cool.
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C
Yeah, they do an incredible job from, from the FIM lab to fdm, fdm. I mean the tagging studies, the radar array studies, the, this, what is it? Statistically stratified random sampling layouts that they have is just, it's really, truly amazing. So the science side of it is one thing, the enforcement side is the other. I mean FWC enforcement officers, we have some really, really great guys that have been doing it a really long time at a very high level and we have newer guys in there too. And the newer guys need training to get up to that high level and we need more law enforcement officers on the water. I mean it's, it's really, really sad the number of law enforcement officers that we have per capita per anglers on the water. So I think we could do a much better job funding science and enforcement. We talk a lot about like oh, the regulations are bad and oh, we're not happy with the regulations. But in order to get good regulations, you need to have some really good scientific input. And you could pay $10 billion tomorrow and have an unlimited science budget that would give you really informed, really granular, super up to date management. But without the enforcement piece, it's useless. So you have to have all those pieces of the puzzle.
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D
Yeah, I just hope that this, this issue doesn't give a black eye to those people too. Again, the enforcement officers. I've, you know, I'm on the water lot. I've seen a lot. Everyone that I've interacted with have been just great people. And that's why this whole thing was a shock. Like the fact that this FWC issue went so bad. I'm glad to hear that. It sounds like it's just two people and it's an isolated event, not like a macro FWC issue.
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C
Yeah, I don't think so. And I'm confident we can move past this and move forward in a positive fashion. And I look forward to that road ahead.
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B
So the big question. Is FWC officially allowed back on the Hubbard's boats?
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C
Yes, we're gonna work that out. I actually have a phone call after this with the fisheries dependent monitoring team to resurrect our relationship.
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B
That was with this whole war going on. That was a, that was a, that was a cool move. You know, like, all right, I got something that you need. You no longer on my boats.
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C
Yeah, and there's uh, I was actually, uh, unaware. So the. We have FWC folks on our boats multiple times a week. I mean sometimes the FWC will be riding on our boats. We'll have two or three employees on two or three different boats multiple days a week. So I mean it could be 10, 15 trips in a week that FWC is riding along with us. The, what we call the flip flops. Not Glocks team, the biologists, not the enforcement. And then we also have, have staff members who show up to the dock to do dockside intercepts and they collect this catch. So sometimes we'll have them on the boat and on the dock. And so it's funny, you have 5 or 6 FWRM FWRI. The science side of FWC employees at the marina. So that's, I was, I was fighting this fight and then I walk outside and there's seven employees in front of me wearing FWC shirts. I'm like, wait a minute, we gotta do something here. So that's, that's what inspired that bul. Bold sentiment. And in my mind, from a marketing standpoint, I felt like that would kind of get the message across more clearly.
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B
Yeah. Did you tell them, put your beakers back in your cars, kids. Get out of here.
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C
We have a strong relationship with all of them. And again, they're. They're. They're really good and underpaid. So I was careful to. Hey, I know this isn't you guys. I know this isn't your fault. I know this doesn't involve you, but we have to send a strong message. So I'm hoping I didn't burn any bridges.
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B
No, yeah, is as you said, and as Luke. Luke said, we've done a couple little things with them. And yeah, they have hearts of gold. They're not in it for the money, and some are having to work second jobs at night just to get by, but they're so passionate about what they do. And as you mentioned, with the sunshine laws, all this stuff is publicly available. So it's out there. It's helping all of us as anglers, and it's stewards of the water. It's really cool what they do behind the scenes means.
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C
Amen. Amen. If you, if you haven't already, FWRI does, does a, like a field day. So if you are watching this and you aren't familiar with FWRI and you're in central West Florida, check out. I forget what they call it, but they do it every year where they open the lab up. It's like a three Marine Marine quest. That's it. That's the name of the event. And they do that annually. And it's a really cool way for you to show up at that lab and kind of get a better idea of what they do. And I know myself. I got involved with the Marine Recreational Education program. It's called MREP. And I was back in 2014 and 15, a certified tinfoil hat wearing fisherman. Your average Facebook commenter, like, oh, they're stealing our fisheries. Follow the money, blah, blah, blah, blah. All the different talking points. And when I got involved, I got told by very smart angler, Captain Van Hubbard, cousin by choice, not related. He was like, hey, man, if you're going to get involved in this whole thing, you need to get educated. And at the time, I took that as a personal affront, but he was right. And I went through that Marine Recreational education program, and they take you behind the scenes at fwri. And we spent days there at the lab, walking those corridors, meeting those people, diving deep with them, doing all the fin studies and the ear bones, the otoliths. It was it was really eye opening and man, it really changed my perspective, so. Yet you can't say enough good things about all the great work that they do behind the scenes. For sure.
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B
Yeah. And if you ever want to get some education, connect with Van Hubbard. That dude, he knows more than most people out there, especially about the history of Florida. He is so well read. Every time I see him or we'll connect on Facebook. He's got another book that he's like, you got to read this one about, you know, the history of the Gulf. And it's like, like that dude has done his, his research and obviously so have you.
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D
You're.
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B
You're leaving a meeting right now. I feel like. Are you. On a given week, how many days are you actually fishing anymore? None. Just.
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C
I am blessed to be challenged, boys. I am blessed to. I mean, our, our business continues to, to grow and we have an amazing team that empowers me to keep focused on that growth. And man, it's, it's really crazy what's going on right now. I'm leaving the tour. I serve on Pinellas County's tourist development team and we're talking about record TDT collections yet again. We've had an incredible spring here in Pinellas county with more visitors than ever. We have a budget surplus and it's crazy the amount of marketing that this team does at Visit St. Pete Clearwater. So just positive. Looking forward to a really bright summer and longest red snapper season that we've seen. A long, longer gag grouper season ahead, longer amberjack season. It's going to be a, a marathon, not a sprint this summer for us offshore guys.
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B
Heck yeah. Well, thanks for all you do and you can go visit Dylan and his whole. I mean, you guys have like an institution down there. It's like you, it's everything. The Johns Pass is crazy.
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C
Yeah. Yeah, we, like I said, blessed to be challenged, blessed to continue to grow. We have the Dawn's Dock seafood market now. We took over the pirate ship, the Dolphin Quest and the shark boat as well. So any tour boat along John's Pass is a Hub Roberts Marina operation now. And now we have this big ferry coming with Cross Bay Ferry service. So things are really moving and shaking for us. And we have two new boats being built right now at our boat building facility and looking forward to a strong summer.
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B
Heck yeah.
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D
That three day trip was awesome. That was the last one we've been on. That was such a, such a cool experience.
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C
Luke, you're still creating problems for me every day, buddy. Just Just, just, I think Last week another 20 minute conversation about how not everybody can be successful on a 39 hour with a 1 ounce weight and a salt strong shrimp. All right, it's, it's, that's classic Luke Simons. I, I understand you saw the video, but not everybody can replicate those effects. Guys.
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D
Yeah, they didn't watch, they didn't watch close enough. But yeah, and I'll, I'll second to what Dill mentioned about that, about the, what is it? The, what's the term of the, the free showing they have of, of the facility at Marine Quest.
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C
Yeah, yeah.
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D
Marine Quest. That is amazing. I've been into a lot of aquariums. That was the coolest experience I've had of just seeing research. So yeah, if you can make that date, I highly recommend it. So it was, it was awesome. I was blown away by it. I was not. I had no idea it was even there.
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C
Yeah. Well, like I said, hopefully we can repair these bridges. I think it would be really cool for the three of us to dive deep and that a course through FWRI MREP is a two week thing. You do a week of science and a week of management and the week of science you spend like two days at fwri. And I think we could replicate that in a pretty condensed down podcast style thing and I think it'd be really cool for us to do.
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B
I love it. Putting a note and yeah, and thanks not just to Dylan, but you mentioned earlier there's a lot of people involved behind the scenes. I knew you were the kind of the first one to really get on video and, and announce it and. Yeah, so cool. And also just thanks to Florida, the state and even fwc, they made a quick choice and the worst thing that could happen is they make a quick choice at nighttime with no involvement of anyone else, no vote. And then it takes a year to unravel it and it looks like this unraveled pretty quickly. It didn't take a year and a ton of attorneys and stuff. Stuff. So that was the good news is it looks like, I mean we're what, we're a couple weeks away, right? Is it June 1st that.
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C
It's June 1st. So I mean we're 10 days away. 10, 11 days.
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B
That's fast acting. 10 acting there. I like it. That's. That's good man.
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D
So yeah, one, one clarification too Dylan, I think will help out. So the issue on that 1 ounce weight with the prawn offshore is that's too light. There's a two out I was using the two ounce weight so I knew
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C
I was, I was, I was speaking off the top of my head. I apologize that I misquoted your fishing prow.
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D
But yes, what else is good? Up to 80ft after, after 82 ounces is crucial.
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C
We're going to have to, we're going to have to get that in writing so I can give out little Luke Simons brochures to everybody.
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B
And you had lighter line that I think a lot of people go out there with. You know, what were we using, Luke?
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D
A 30.
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C
Guys, guys, we don't have to go over this again, please
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D
people.
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C
No, I mean every time I see people show up and every time we fish together, Luke, you always, you always come down to the boat and you've got your spinning reel in hand. I'm always looking at it sideways. But the end of the trip he's always got a stringer to show for it.
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D
It's not broke. Don't fix it right. Just keep on doing it.
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C
Amen, brother.
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B
Well Dylan, thank you. I know you're crazy busy. I appreciate you coming on here and thanks to everyone that signed the change.org I think a lot of people see that like oh, this won't make an impact. But this is another example where it does. The more, you know, voters and the more signatures they see it gets attention. So anytime because this won't be the last, certainly not in our lifetime. There'll be other things that come up, get involved. Whether it's sharing a video like Dylan did or, or just signing the petition. That stuff doesn't take that long. It's free to do and so simple. So appreciate you brother. Any other shout outs to follow you or go to Hubbard?
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C
Yeah, yeah, check us out. Hubbardsmarina.com you can check out. We do a live show every second Sunday of the month at 7:30pm on our social media channels, specifically YouTube. We do an in person event every fourth Tuesday of the month at OCC Roadhouse in Pinellas. If you're around fourth Tuesday at 7pm and man, just excited to be here. Catch the radio Show Saturday morning 6 to 8 and we stream that live to our Facebook as well. And stay tuned, we'll have some more coming up. And we're really trying to focus on you YouTube the, the educational part. So if you haven't subscribed to our Hubbard's Marina YouTube channel, do it. We're working right now on a kids fishing segment which I'm definitely pretty proud of, trying to empower parents because we run across it all the time. The the single mother or the father who just moved down from Indiana doesn't know how to saltwater fish and the kid wants to fish but the parents feel intimidated. So we're trying to empower parents by starting simple really gearing this towards, towards zero knowledge and getting your kid out there on the water and keeping that rod bent.
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B
Love it. Well, we will be glad to to share that when when it all comes out. So let us know.
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C
All right guys, appreciate you. Don't forget if you're too busy to go fishing, you're just too darn busy.
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D
Peace.
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B
Appreciate you guys.
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D
We out.
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E
Days ago find us on the water if there was a way
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B
as Grim
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E
said my papa he wrote the book on catching big reds and £20 snook I wish I knew all the things he knew today for he's a reason why we are this way
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C
and he
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E
put fish in our soul to stay.