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May 10, 1940 Belgium falls to the Nazis. The German army is not your enemy.
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Surrender and you will be treated with compassion and respect. You have nothing to fear from surrender. If you wish to live, do not resist. The German army is well disciplined and will treat you with dignity and compassion. Once the war has ended, you will
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be free to return to your families.
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Are you hungry? Are you cold? Are you tired? Warm, dry clothing, proper medical treatment and a safe place to sleep await you.
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There's no need for this senseless bloodshed between our nations.
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The German people are not your enemy. If you surrender, you will be treated well. Death is a way through which there can be no salvation.
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Jean Michel Longchamps was born into Belgian nobility. He inherited the title of Baron from his father, Baron Raymond Charles Longchamps. At the outbreak of the war, Jean Michel spent most of his adult life fleeing the Nazi regime as it conquered one country after another. He fled to Great Britain where he was accepted for the fighter training with the RAF. Jean Michel was posted to 609 Squadron RAF and flying the Hawker Typhoons quickly made a name for himself as not only an able pilot, but a very aggressive one. A rumor comes from home that his father was captured by the Gestapo and tortured to death for conspiring against the Germans. In fury, Jean Michel came up with a plan for revenge. He proposed his plan several times to officers. Here was a plan. Upon the fall of Belgium, the Gestapo commandeered Residence Belvedere. It was a luxurious art deco apartment building located at 453 Avenue Louise. The Gestapo were using it as their headquarters and it was known that they tortured prisoners in the cellars. The plan was Jean Michel would fly his Typhoon into Brussels down Avenue Louise. He would be flying so low and fast, every building would shake as he pass. When he reached his target building, which was in the middle of town, he would make several high speed passes and at the last moment he would go vertical. Those Nazis will think he vanished, but what he's really doing is making a wide turn and coming back down Avenue Louise. He wanted to give the stunned Gestapo time to make their way to the windows in shock. And before they could react, he would open up with his four 20mm Hispano autocannons, cutting through the building and killing every Gestapo in his path. Then he would turn and head home. Every time Jean Michel proposed this plan, he was turned down. And he proposed it many times. Little did his superiors know. Jean Michel wasn't asking. Let's call it a miscommunication. January 20, 1943 Jean Michel, along with his wingman Andre Blanco, had just completed an approved railway striping. John Michel ordered his wingman to return to base without him. He then turned to the southeast, heading for Brussels, which was about 50 km away. This was not an approved mission. On this day, the legend of the Belgian Baron was born. With the throttle wide open, the Baron flew down Louise Avenue, mere inches from the rooftops. Up ahead was the Gestapo headquarters. The Baron performed several high speed passes, circling the building and shaking it violently. Then he went vertical and seemingly vanished. Foolishly, the Gestapo gathered around the large windows, trying to see where the mystery plane went. The angel of death had arrived. Everything had gone into slow motion. The Baron looked up. Every window in the headquarters was full of Nazis. Every day is a good day for killing Nazis and this was turning out to be one hell of a day. In the aftermath, There were over 30 dead Gestapos, including some high ranking SS officers. The Baron opened the canopy and threw out small Belgian flags as a patriotic trail. He then flew over the Royal palace and dropped a very large Belgium flag which landed on the roof for all to see.
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Sam, It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me. And he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that, that shocked me. They don't make people that. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language. And they were chuntering away, back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. Nine one one, what are you reporting? Jesus Christ. You better sir. See him. Hello? Get somebody out here. What's going on now sir? That son of a is about 6 foot 9. I don't know. Do you see him now sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. O. Bonjour. This is Yves from France greeting the audience of the greatest podcast ever, Sasquatch Chronicles.
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Welcome to the show everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. You know that intro there was actually a request from an 11 year old kid. He had listened to episode 812 a higher call and asked me if I would do something on the Belgian Baron. Normally I don't take requests, but you know, for a kid I could probably make that happen. I just wish I had more time to work on it now that I listen to it. I'm like, I would change that. I would fix this. And though you can never get imperfect, no matter how hard you try. But I appreciate you guys being here. I got a great show planned for you. We'll be chatting with Ben. And Ben comes to us from Maine. And back in 2015, Ben and his brother had a very scary night out there in the woods running into the creature. But it doesn't quite end there. I'll let Ben go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is wesasquatchchronicles.com and if you get a chance, check out sasquatch chronicles.com you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Ben to the show. Ben, thanks for coming on.
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Hey, pleasure to be here, man. Thank you.
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Yeah. And you had a pretty scary night out there in Maine. I know we're going back to 2015. If you would just kind of start from the beginning. What were you guys doing and what happened?
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Yeah, so it was May 2015, I think it was the 2nd of May. And I only can narrow it down that much because it was the day of my prom and I stood a girl up to do things with my brother and I don't regret that. And so what had happened was my brother and I and one of our friends from Bangor, Maine, we were coming back from a race car event in Loudoun, New Hampshire when I had gotten a text from my buddy Evan, who lives in Sweden. He had texted us and said, hey, if you want to come out to Sweden, I have this Jeep wrangler and kind of going to thrash it around the woods a little bit. And we really, I mean, that's right up our alley. That's really what we like is thrashing on vehicles. So be it that we came from a race event. So we, we went back to my parents house, which was, call it two towns over from Sweden, depending which way you went. And we grabbed my pickup because my brother's truck was a little nicer and he didn't want to beat that through the woods. So we grabbed my pickup and we met Evan out in the woods and he showed us this Jeep and I mean it was just, it was a cool little jeep, cool little woods buggy. And Corey, he was our friend from Bangor. He basically, he wanted to be the first one to ride in it. And me and my brother were kind of like, I don't know because we don't him And I are kind of. We like being the drivers. We don't like being passengers. So we're like, yeah, you know, you can go on the roller coaster ride first, Corey. So. So we let him go ahead, and they took off down the trail. Now, this trail, if you're in Sweden, which isn't much of a town at all, small population, we're right off of Route 93, and we're way back in the woods. There's a summer camp there, but with. With good foliage and everything, you can't see it from where we're at. And it's only populated a couple weeks out of the summer. So we're back in the woods. They take off in the jeep, and my brother and I are just kind of sitting around kicking acorns and just kind of walking around in the land. And we were in. And we couldn't help but notice that it was. As we walked around, it was just really, really quiet. So I looked at my brother, and we were both thinking of how quiet it was there. And we kind of agreed, and we were just kind of nodding at each other, not really speaking a whole lot. And we really noticed, like, just everything was just quiet. Once the sound of the jeep faded off into the distance, there. There was nothing to hear. We. We kind of sat there looking at each other, and we were walking around the truck, and we just. It just was super quiet. And no sooner did we really start taking in, like, how quiet it was, a rock about the size of, like, a gumball that you'd get out of one of those quarter machines from a grocery store. It just kind of tossed between us. It came from our. From my left, his right. And we didn't see. We both just looked at it pretty dumbfounded at the rock. And my hands were in my pockets, and. And I looked at my brother and I said, did you throw that? And he said, clearly wasn't me. And I looked at him, and I was like, well, it wasn't me. And I pulled my hands out of my pockets, and him and I both kind of got, I guess, kind of spooked by that. So we kind of agreed we're, you know, we weren't going to tell each other that we're scared. You know, we're. We're both trying to be macho man. And, yeah, we're in the woods, beat on a vehicle. Yeah. And we weren't gonna sit there and be like, oh, that kind of scared us. So we both kind of assumed, oh, maybe we should go more towards the trailhead. A Little bit. And that way we. They can get a. They can get a good run in that jeep. Whatever we had to tell each other to make, to not make it sound like we were being sissies about it. So we got my truck and my brother, and he's. He's since passed away. But my brother, he always had a thing for driving my truck because he, he would always get something that was functional and good for work and I would get something that was more entertaining. So he always wanted to drive my vehicles. So he gets in the driver's seat, we take off down the trail. We pull over at this little clearing and it's May time. So sunset's about 6 o'. Clock. We're probably. The sun's set, but it's a little bit light in the sky. My brother pulls over, shuts the truck off and I hop out. And I've never do this, I've never done this. But for some reason when I jumped out of the truck, I looked straight up, I looked at the sky just when this flock of birds flew overhead. And I just thought they didn't really think anything of it. So I watch all these birds fly out and my eyes start drifting and I start lowering my head down the. Down this pine tree. And I get about a little bit higher than like my natural eye level, like if my. My head was level. And I just see something that almost looks like it rocks to a stop on its right foot. And I. I'm just taken away because I. I can't process what it is I'm seeing. There's something standing there. And I look over towards my brother. I look over the bedside at my brother and he's just mouth agape looking at this. And I look back at it and whatever this thing was, I could clearly see a head. Its left hand and its left leg was obscured by the tree. And I could see its right hand. Well, it's right arm hanging down, not pretty, pretty low, like down by its. I can't really say because I couldn't see its feet, but it's like got a super long right arm and I could see shoulders and I could see torso basically I could see this really dark silhouette of something. And I'm just looking at us and I could see it's like almost swaying side to side. And you could see it breathe and you could see the shoulders come up and down. And I look at my brother and I go, what is that? And my brother says, get in the truck. I go, I keep, I just keep looking at that. Then my Brother. And that then my brother, I go, jonathan, what the f is that? And I, I didn't look back at him again when I said that. And we're just watching this thing breathe. And he, my brother says, one more time, he says, get in the effing truck. And I had left my door open when I jumped out, so. So I just kind of like pivoted on my feet and jumped into the truck. And my brother had the truck started in the clutch out before we even knew what was going on. And I slammed my door and we took off off the trail. I couldn't even bring myself to look backwards at what I. Because if it was chasing us, I mean, my soul would just leave my body at that point. So I couldn't bring myself to look at it out the back window. So we get to the end of the road and I think my brother kind of fumbled what gear he was going for and he stalls the truck and, you know, take two frantic teenagers and make them try to remember how to drive. So he's fumbling, trying to get it started again. And I told, he, I told him to just push the clutch in and bump started. So he did. And we take off back to the end of the road. Well, you get to the end of the road and he does this little trick where, you know, when it's dark out, you just kill your headlights for a second, see if anybody's coming. So he does that real quick and he turns it back on and we take a left off the road. We crest a little hill that's right there and it leads to a great big, probably half a mile long hill. And then it's proceeds with a half mile uphill. Well, right when we cross that hill, we notice some lights coming behind us. Now this is what's really strange to me is because I, I don't know what to make of these lights, is we see, we just think that there's a vehicle coming up behind us. So my brother just is driving and we just want to. The goal at that point is just distance ourselves as quickly and as far away from whatever that was as quickly as possible. As we take off down this hill. We're doing 100 to 110 miles an hour down this hill. And those lights that were behind us are catching us. And we both are. We're looking in the mirrors. We can't make sense of that. You know, what's the odds of another crazy person going 110 miles an hour on Route 93? And if anybody's ever driven that road, it's not a very safe road. It's a very hilly Angeles road. So we're. I'm looking out the back window now, and I was like. I kept proclaiming to my brother, he said, jonathan, that whatever that is, it's catching us. And he. He really. He didn't know what to make of that. So we come down a hill and up a hill, and every hill that we crest after the really steep one, this. This light is getting one hill closer to us. So it started off probably a half mile behind us. In every hill, it was another hill closer. We're thinking, whatever this is isn't good either. Of course, we're pretty wound up at that point. So my brother, he passes where 93 continues into Bridgeton. We pass that and we're coming up to a side road. So Once you pass 93, there's nowhere else to turn. So you go down a hill and up a hill again. My brother tells me, well, hold on to something. So I know what he's planning on doing. He wants to launch down the side road. So I go, okay. I kind of prepare myself a little bit. And he yards us onto the side road pretty quickly. And he kills a truck, kills the headlights, and he kind of like feathers the clutch out to make the truck slow down without any brake lights. And we both give our full attention to out the back window. And whatever that light was never went past us and we never saw it again. And at the speed it was going, there's no way it'd be able to make the turn up 93 to go towards Bridgeton. There's just no way it would be able to because it was getting within a quarter an eighth of a mile of us. So we would have had to have seen them slow down or we would have had to have seen them at that point. Turn before, turn up 93 before we made that turn. So we don't know what to make of those lights. And they. That. That's kind of the really puzzling part to all this. I'm almost more uncomfortable with. With the light situation because I still, to this day, I don't know what that was.
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I don't mean to interrupt, but can I ask you, was it one light? Was it two lights? Would you kind of describe it? I mean, what color was.
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Was. It was like this. It was kind of like a. Like an LED blue. And it was. It almost seemed like a. Like a motorcycle because it was. It was one light and it was just catching us rapidly. But, you know, we. We came Slow enough at the end of the road where if somebody was, you know, getting on it on a motorcycle, we would have been able to hear that over mild truck. And there. There was no noise. There was nothing. And just whatever it was didn't seem a. It never bumbled over any bumps or anything. And 93 is a really bumpy road, so it never reacted to anything. It just progressed forwards towards us. And I really don't know what to make of that.
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Yeah, I want to come back and talk about this, but so what. What kind of happens next?
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So when we. When we get down the side road, my brother and I, we're just trying to just boom, boom, boom, get through. We're processing at 100 miles an hour, million miles an hour. And we. We just. We go, okay, we are done with this. We are absolutely done with this situation. We're out of here. But we don't want to leave Corey and Evan in the woods alone in the. In the Jeep because that thing is not exactly road legal, and we don't want him to have to drive the 10 or so miles back to his house to get that thing back home. So we turn the truck around, and we're both game planning, like, okay, we're gonna go down the trail and we're gonna show absolutely no mechanical sympathy. So we pull over, and the service is very spotty down there, and we. We stop on the road and I call Evan. I try to call Corey first, and his phone goes straight to voicemail. So I go, okay, he doesn't have service. So then I call Evan. And when he answers, he was very frantic, and I. He's just very frantic. I said, hey, we're getting out of here. Park that Jeep. We're out of here. Okay, okay, man. Okay, okay. And I just. He hung up the phone after that, and my brother and I looked at each other and we just couldn't make sense. What are they frantic about? There's no way they telepathically knew what we were going through. It's like we're the scared ones. Why are they scared? So we knew we had to go back to the trail to meet them. So my brother takes the left now down the hill, up the hill. We take a right back onto this road, and the name of the road escapes me, but we go down to the end, take a left onto the trail, and now my brother is just full on Colin McGray rally driving down this road, and we finally get to a spot where it's like, okay, we need to stop here on the Trail, it's straight enough, they'll see us because we don't want to come around a blind corner and just get into a head on collision. So we stop and there's kind of like a little bowl between us. So we're at the top of the hill. So whatever comes at us will be also at the top of the hill. So plenty of time to react. So we see a light coming at us and we see rectangle headlights. So we know that, okay, rectangle headlights. That's, that's the yj. That's a YJ headlights. And as soon as they see us, they stuffed the jeep just, I mean they just rousted it into the woods and killed the headlights. And this is the part that this, this will always stick in my mind with the situation. I see them running at us as soon as they run like straight at my truck and you know, the, the doors are on the side so I can't make sense of why they're running straight at us. So I scooch up against my brother because it's a regular cab. And when they run up to the truck, they both made sure to keep their hands on my hood the whole way around. And it just, that, that sticks out in my mind a lot. And unfortunately I didn't talk to them a whole lot after this. It's just time grew apart. They live different areas, different lives. And again, the truck and they're, they're breathing heavy and they're just super, I mean, just, they're wound up too. So my brother wastes no time getting the truck spun around and we blast back out onto the pavement and, and we go, what, what is wrong? What, what's wrong with you guys? You guys are awfully wound up. And they, they just say we had gotten the Jeep stuck. Now it wasn't like sunk up to the hubs, but it was stuck. So they had to sit there and kind of massage it out of the puddle they were in. They, while they said, whilst they were doing that, it felt as if. And they couldn't see because it was dark under the tree canopy. It felt as if something for sure came up. It slapped the side of the Jeep. Now this Jeep was a hard shell and it sounded like something slapped the body of the jeep and they felt it in the vehicle. But after it slapped, felt as if something had its hands on the roof of the Jeep. Like not quite the very top, but like right where it curves over and was rocking it side to side. And they couldn't, it wasn't in front of the headlights and it wasn't from the tail lights, so it wasn't illuminated at all. But they said something was rocking the Jeep. And I'm not sure if if Evan was able to finally get the thing into four wheel at that point, but he launched himself out of the mud hole and, and I guess they proceeded to have the same frantic driving that we had done. And that's what led them to. Led us to meeting up with each other again was they. They too just kind of. They got spooked pretty bad themselves and wanted to get the heck out of there.
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That's very strange. So you. When you spoke to them, their jeep was being rocked, but they never saw what was rocking it.
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It. So they. At this point because I. I don't know how much time had elapsed since from when I called them to when they had this experience. I have no idea. I just know that by the time we had spun the truck around it was already completely dark out. So I can only assume that. And they, they said they never saw anything. And be it. That it's. It's an old car, you know, it's not. You know, the, the Jeeps, they just have those little rectangle tail lights on the back. They don't have marker lights on the side and it just has those candles for headlights on the front. And so they, they never saw what was doing this. But they, they said something was rocking the Jeep whilst they're in there. And I, I never got much detail out of them. They were. I mean they were pale as a ghost. I mean they, they, they didn't really. They. There weren't much for talking. They said what happened and they were. They were pretty quiet after that.
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A
Yeah, Very strange. So do you guys go home without any more incidents happening?
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B
So we all went back to Evan's house and we're just kind of having the post game. Like what the hell was that? I mean we're. Every sound at that point is scaring us. The squirrel jumps out of a tree and we're. We're spooked. And the, the only thing that was strange after that was sitting at Evan's house. He grabbed a spotlight and we just kind of shined the woods and we got some eyeshine looking back at us. When we did that, it was green. And none of us are hunters. We're pretty thrifty outdoors, but we're not hunters. So we're getting like ground level to like 4 foot up green eyeshine. And the trees are really thick around his house. So we kind of play that off. And we, we're like, okay, I think this evening's about done. And we shake hands and we take Corey and we went back to my parents house and that was, that was really it.
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A
How far is your buddy's house from where all of this happened?
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B
Probably, I mean the way we were driving was really close. But I would have to say because it was actually down the road that my brother and I put the truck down to elude the lights. I'd say it's probably about 8 minutes, 10 minutes.
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Oh wow, that's really close.
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B
Yeah, I mean it's still in the same town of Sweden. And again, Sweden isn't much of a town.
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A
Let me ask you, Ben. Kind of going back to the very beginning. I mean you guys stop, get out of the truck and you eventually see this saying, how far away from you is this creature?
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B
So my brother stopped the truck just off the trail because I guess he's always thinking courteous of other trail travelers. And, and the tree that it was standing kind of behind was no more than 15, 20ft away.
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A
Oh, you guys are way closer than I thought you were. And I realized the sun was going down. You're underneath a tree canopy. But when you're looking at this thing, was it more like a silhouette or was there any details that stand out to you?
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So again, what I, the most prominent thing I noticed was is these super broad shoulders and watching them raise and lower like it was. Take a deep breath now. I couldn't smell anything. I couldn't hear anything coming from this. I did hear that initial like rock to a stop. It did. On the, on the leaf litter down below. And it, it, I, I noticed a really long arm. Now it looked as if it had its left palm on this tree, like, like it had just rocked to a stop on its right foot. Left palm on the tree. And I could just, I could see both its shoulders. And I mean this thing, I, I'm a decent sized dude, 230 some odd pounds, six foot one. And it, I mean this thing, this thing made me look tiny. It, I didn't notice any like shaggy fur coming off of it. I didn't notice anything. It was just this massive silhouette in front of us. And again, nothing's. And perhaps if I did shine a light on it that I'd be able to see something. But it's mostly just this dark silhouette in front of us. A clear hand, no point to. Just looks like you don't like cemetery headstones that you do for Halloween or something that Are just those perfect, like, rounded over headstones. It looked like one of those placed on top of shoulders, Massive shoulders With a really long arm to its right. And then a wide set torso Even with its hips down to these legs. And I couldn't see where the knees were, but it just. There was. There was no neck to speak of. If you seen a person, you'd be able to clearly identify head, neck, shoulders. And this just. This was just a great, great mass of just top to head to shoulders. There was no interruption. It didn't get skinny. Like there was a neck there. It was just one solid mass.
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A
Yeah, I don't think I would have handled that situation as well as you guys did. And I mean, you're looking up at this thing, and it's obviously bigger than you are you being six one. How much bigger do you think it was?
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B
So six one with boots on.
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A
Oh, the truth comes out now.
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B
The truth comes out. I'm a fraud. But. So I went back to that place Shortly after I moved back to maine. I lived in california for five years. I went back to there Within a couple weeks of moving back. And I just wanted to re Acclimate myself with ed. And because I was kind of scared of the woods after this ordeal, I was really scared of the woods. And I wanted to, I guess, prove to myself that just because I'm in the woods doesn't mean bigfoot's behind every tree. And what really, really caught me off guard Was I went over to the tree that it was standing by. And something I was completely unaware of at the time Is the base of that tree. It's like, there's like a little knoll right there. So for me to not be able to see its feet and I guess whatever else was obscured by it, the base of that tree where this thing was standing is 3ft lower than the road. And this thing was above my brother and I. As far as head to head. I mean, that. That puts that thing around, I mean, nine feet tall. My brother and I were. Were the exact same height. I mean, that thing didn't tower over us from its point, But I mean, it. It was a couple inches taller than us. So, I mean, it had to be around nine feet. I. I just sat there. I mean, I'm not going to talk to myself in the woods, But I mean, I was just in utter disbelief. I mean, I went home and I was googling, how tall do black bears get? Because I. I want to prove myself wrong. That, you know, you saw, like everybody else says you saw Bear. You saw a moose, you whatever. And no, it wasn't any of that. The. The black bears in Maine only get to stand about 7ft tall, and they don't have shoulders like that.
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A
Yeah, nothing about your description sounds like a black bear. And a black bear is not going to stand there kind of swaying from side to side and just kind of waiting for you guys to do something. A black bear is going to do one of two things. It's either going to run off, or if it has cubs nearby or there's something wrong with it, it's going to kill you. Do you think as you guys rolled up, you guys kind of collided with this thing? I mean, it was. You guys were meeting at the same point, or do you think it was already there before you guys pulled up?
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B
So it. I'm led to believe myself that either there's two of them because something threw a rock, and you and I know that there's nothing out there is going to toss a rock at you. I'm led to believe that there's either another one or this one, having more direct route through the woods, was able to intercept us pretty quickly. And I was like, okay, you didn't get the message the first time that I want you out of here. Let me. Let me put a. Kind of put a finer point on that then.
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A
Yeah, that's a good point. You guys did have the rock thrown at you. I tend to think that you encountered more than one, but that's just my opinion, of course. You know, when I hear about Sasquatch doing that rocking from side to side, when I see it anyway, I think of very nervous behavior, very insecure behavior, and maybe I'm just kind of looking through it through my human eyes, because a lot of humans will do that as well. What's your take on that behavior of watching it kind of rock from side to side?
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B
So when, like, seeing it, like, sway side to side a little bit, and it wasn't with the breath or it wasn't in any synchronicity with anything else it was doing. It was just kind of swaying left and right. I kind of took it as I don't know what the hell these guys are up to. And it's just kind of. I'm not sure if it was just trying to stay a little more lucid and ready to make something happen. Because, I mean, it. We don't know what we're looking at, and it sure as heck doesn't know what we're gonna do. It doesn't know if we have Firearms in the. In the vehicle. Doesn't know if we're gonna get. Get a quick burst of courage and rush it, which that for sure wasn't gonna happen. I take it as it was just kind of just staying moving a little bit and probably nervous because it doesn't know what we're going to be doing. I wouldn't say nervous, because I really don't take it that that thing was. We put it back on its heels at all. I think it was just kind of analyzing the situation, and maybe it's something that it unconsciously does that it doesn't realize it's doing.
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A
Yeah, that's a good point, Ben. I think a lot of it, though, is unconscious. I don't think they're consciously doing that. You hear a lot of eyewitnesses talk about them kind of swaying and rocking from side to side. And I don't know how much you and your brother talked about this before he passed. I'm sorry to hear about his passing. May rest in peace. But, you know, as you're sitting there in that situation, you know, and I could put myself in that situation. I think anyone with half a brain would have done exactly what you guys did. I know I would have. I would have gotten the truck and gotten the hell out. Gotten the hell out of there as well. My question, though, is why do you think it didn't attack you guys?
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B
I think it probably had better situational awareness than us. You know, it's. If you have complete power over somebody, if you have the upper hand in a situation, why. Why go on and flex your muscle further? I know you. You've told that you were a bouncer before. Did you ever. Did you ever, you know, do the. Ha ha. You want to go to somebody that. That was acting a fool in a public situation, It. It didn't have a need to. It's the mere presence of whatever this was. The mere presence of it was enough to get us out of there. So I don't think it had to go any further. It. I think it understood itself, like, well, look at me. What are you guys.
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A
That's actually a pretty good insight, Ben. And you're right. I mean, going back to bouncing and, you know, I never. It was always the dumb, insecure guys that walked over and tried to provoke a fight. I would never provoke a fight. I'd never bully anyone, you know, unless someone really deserved it. But for the most part, I would try and talk my way out of a situation. And a lot of times, if you just show up and Have a presence. Not that I'm big and bad, but you know, you show up with several. The guys I worked with, very large men a lot of times that would be enough. I mean, that's kind of cool insight that you have. But when you think about that behavior, that's something more than just an animal. That's problem solving skills. That's not, you know, a cougar. They don't care if you're scared. They don't care if you're a bear. If they're going to come for you, they're going to come for you. There's really no, I would say, problem solving skills like this. It's very strange.
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B
Yeah, it's. I take it as, you know, that thing probably, it too probably doesn't want, it wants a non violent approach to resolve the situation. If we up the ante, it probably would, you know, a predator doesn't sit there and try to intimidate you. There's not a bear out there puffing its chest out when it sees you going, well, make my day. So I just. That thing knew what it was doing and it knew that its size alone was intimidating to us. I'm sure we probably weren't very hard to read in the moment as to what our intentions were. There was no aggressive stance from us.
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A
Yeah, I understand that. And you know, the whole encounter is terrifying and very fascinating to me. I'm sure, sure it's not fascinating for you. It's just mainly terrifying. And I get all of that. You know, I've seen the lights twice so far in my life. And I started talking about it probably back around 2015, probably around about the time you had your encounter. And you know what's fascinating about the lights? Prior to me talking about them on the air, I would get emails from people talking about these ghost lights and it was always a motorcycle. That's why I asked you if it was one light or two lights. I would get these weird reports of people being followed by this ghost motorcycle. But it wasn't a motorcycle. It was just a ball of light following people. And in people's encounters, especially when they have these creatures on their property, eventually I'll say most people will start talking about these weird lights on their property. It's very much how you described it. I wanted to ask you, and I know that you don't know and I don't know, but in this situation, do you think the lights and this, seeing this creature are related?
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B
I guess there's. It is two so completely different interactions. And I guess Equally as wild. I don't know if there's any relationship between the lights, the light we saw and that. I couldn't make that judgment call, but it definitely was just the cherry on top for a very, very interesting evening.
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A
And I know you've had a lot of years to think about it, Ben, but what do you think that light was?
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B
I, I really don't know what to make of it. I, I, I've sat, especially when I, I finally got up the nerves to send this email. Like I really sat there and thought about that because, you know, obviously that's an interesting thing. You know, this guy's talking about seeing something in the woods and now he's talking about a light chasing him and his brother. I really don't know what to make of that because again, it didn't react to any bumps in the road. It didn't slow down when we slowed down and it only progressed forwards. And like I said, we're going 110 miles an hour at, for a good portion of the time, my little rattle trap of a pickup. And this thing is gaining on us. And, and this isn't a road that if you're on a Harley or something because it was a round light. And you know, most sport bikes don't exactly, they have a round looking light to them. If you're on a Harley, you're not going to be going that fast on that road. And I just don't know what to make of it because it just had no, nothing had an effect on it. It just kept coming forwards and it just kept catching us. And it didn't like illuminate the road in front of it. That's another thing I find really odd to it, is it didn't illuminate other things. It kind of illuminated just where it was at and it just, just caught us. It was catching us really fast. And you know, all that speed, momentum, if it's a physical object like a motorcycle that doesn't just go away, it goes somewhere, whether you, you hit the brakes or something. And there was never anything, there was no sound. My brother killed the truck as soon as we turned the corner. If somebody was going that faster, if somebody turned up 93, you would hear them slow down and you'd hear them start grabbing gears again. And we never heard a single noise. It was it just as soon as we turned the corner, gone.
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A
Yeah. And that's a weird part. I mean, you know this as well as I do, Ben. A Harley or any motorcycle for that matter would have caught up with you guys.
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B
Oh, yeah, yeah. And especially if they. If they had the. The courage to be going that fast on that road, why stop at that point? If the. If it was a motorcycle and they were giving it the gears like that, Then there's no doubt they would have caught us. But it's just so peculiar that no sooner did we stop that all of a sudden the light doesn't exist anymore. It's not there. There's no sound. There's no trace. It's just gone.
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A
Yeah, it's very strange. And your brother was a very smart man doing what he did. Kind of pulling off that road, trying to wait for it to pass. It's even weirder. Nothing came by. And I'm telling you, man, the lights and sasquatch get reported together more than I think most people even realize. It happens a lot. I get a lot of reports of it, and I don't know if they're related or not. It's one hell of a coincidence that these lights show up when these creatures are around. Not always, of course, but they get reported enough to where it kind of makes you stop and go, what in the world? And, you know, I know that you and your friends and your brother, you guys kind of hung around in this area in the woods, and you guys were out there a lot. Prior to this encounter. Had you guys ever heard anything or ever seen anything that was strange to you?
- [50:47]
B
There was one night. This was back when my brother worked at a grocery store. And I don't even think I was working at the time. I think I was 13, 14. We had a old farmhouse, and I had all the windows open. It was probably. Probably around the same time of year or maybe getting into June, Getting towards the end of the school year for me. And I hear I was home alone, and I was upstairs playing video games. And I hear my brother's pickup pulling the driveway. It's pretty. Pretty easy to hear. He drove an old ranger with a wicked power steering. Pump whined to it. So I hear the typical ranger sounds as he pulls in, and so I know my brother's there, and I hear his truck door shut. So, you know, you just learn the timing of things. So I'm waiting to hear the front door open. And we had a security door and then the front door, and it had one of those hydraulic rams on it that kind of, like, holds it open. So I'm waiting to hear that. And I didn't hear that. So now I've paused what I'm doing, and I go, okay. So my Brother's just standing outside. And again, I had the windows open. My brother goes, ben, come here. So I come to the window and I, you know, my brother at this. At this point in our life and up till he passed away, we were pretty much best friends with each other. So, you know, best friends always dog on each other and go, what the hell do you want? He says, listen. And I go, okay. So I press my. My face to the. Not my face, but my ear to the screen of the window. And we can hear, like, branches and stuff breaking. Now, where we. We lived in the middle of a field. And then we had our neighbors houses, which they were all probably an eighth mile apart. And it's not a cul de sac by any means. It's like our house field, another house, field, another house. And that was really it. Then there was thick trees between us and the houses on the back of this. This little neighborhood here. I could hear branches breaking. And I was like, okay. So that piqued my interest. So I came out to the driveway and. And we're standing there, and I guess we wanted to be incognito about it, so we killed the porch lights and we killed the floodlights, and we're just sitting there listening. And you can hear in the woods between our neighbor's house and the other side of this, like, block we live on, you can hear something traversing in there. And I just. We're like, okay, there's a deer. There's something mowing through the. The woods over there. I mean, we're hearing branches breaking. Now, we're not. I'm not talking shotgun blast, but you can hear something going through the woods. And my brother and I are like, what the hell is that? And no sooner did we say that you have a recording from a guy in Maine. And I want to say this had to have been like, the. Probably right down to the same year where you had a guy from Maine that said, oh, I heard this. And he played a recording of this. How this howl he heard. And when you actually played it on your show, I just got covering goosebumps, because that is right down to a T what we heard.
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A
Yeah, that's interesting. I do remember that. That was. I compared it to the Ohio howl. Let me see if I have it here. This is what the listener sent me from Maine. So you guys hear that? What did you guys think it was at the time?
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B
My brother and I heard that. And like I said, we're not hunters. We. But we could tell you the sounds that we're Used to hearing. We can hear coyotes. We know what bobcats sound like. We know all the hideous noises that foxes make take. And we, I mean, we were just puzzled. So we. We heard that howl. And I mean, it. It set me and my brother back. We look at each other and we just couldn't make sense. And I was like, what the hell was that? So we heard the first howl and now this thing, it. It's like this thing just found another gear and it just kept trucking through the woods and. And it blasted because the woods end and it has to cross a road and it's a private road. And we didn't like hear across the road, but we heard the trees and the twigs and the underbrush. You know, we heard that sound stop and then start again. So we know it crossed the road and it was. It's heavily, heavily forested around here. And we hear it hit the woods again. And about maybe a quarter mile up from our house is a power line trail. So me and my brother go, we look at each other and we go, I betcha it's going to the power line trail. And it, you know, the sound of the underbrush and the branches break and that sound just completely dissipates. But you can almost hear this like. Like this really hollow thud noise. And we're like, I guess it's on the. I guess it's on the snowmobile trail, the power line trail. It's a snowmobile trail in the winter. And so we stopped. We were like, that was crazy. And my brother and I just stand in the driveway next to each other just with puzzled looks, and we just hear it get more distant, more distant. And that. That power line trail goes. I mean, you could take that a long distance. And when we stop here and like actually hearing it traversing along. When that noise went away, we heard it howl one more time. And it was. What was so amazing about that was it just sounded like it had covered miles between the first howl. And when we heard it again, it was so incredibly faint. I mean, we heard it and we heard it clear, but it sounded like this thing had already done 3 miles, 3, 2 miles. It sounded like it. It covered an incredible distance in that amount of time. And we. We heard it one more time. And my brother and I, we were talking and we both kind of shushed each other and we listened again and that was the last we heard of it. But I mean, it just. It really astonished us how far away it was when we heard it howl one more time.
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A
Yeah. And you guys live in the woods. Like you said, you don't have to be a hunter to figure that out. I mean, you've heard coyotes and foxes and, and I've always wanted to hear that in person, obviously from a distance. But when you hear something from a recording I play on the show, compared to what it actually sounds like in person, or is apples and oranges, I would imagine there was a lot of confusion and a lot of what in the world is that? I ask everyone on the show, ben, what do you think Sasquatch is? And, and obviously there's no wrong answer, but I'm kind of curious on what your feelings are as far as what this creature is.
- [58:36]
B
I've kind of left with the more you see, the less, you know. You know, what I saw was a very physical thing. It was interacting and affecting the physical world that we operate in. And so the easy answer would go, well, it's a North American ape. And there it is, plain and simple, case closed. But I, you know, I'm an avid listening listener to your show, and I spend a lot of hours on the road, and I have a lot of time on my hands to listen to. To it. And I, I can't dispel all these other people's encounters and interactions and all these other odd things that happen. You know, it's, It'd be counterintuitive for me to take a subject that's already, you know, not covered by mainstream science. It goes, go. Well, that's nonsense. You know, the, the whole subject to some people is nonsense. So I can't play off what other people have seen and heard and, and dealt with. So I, I'm left with. I, I believe it's a physical being that has abilities that we, we can't comprehend. And unless somebody, I, I think somebody out there does know the answer, and I think we're not allowed to know. And I, I think it's a physical being that has abilities far beyond our comprehension.
- [59:56]
A
Do you think it's something natural? Like, as natural as a bear?
- [60:01]
B
No, no, not as natural as a bear because there's just. There's not that kind of intelligence from a bear. And I, I don't think bears are just these dopey things that walk through the woods. But, I mean, this thing knew what it was doing, and this thing understood how to strike fear. And this, this, on this thing, it knew how to get us out of there, and it knew how to get Evan and Corey out of there. I just, I, I can't in good conscious go, yeah, it's just this. It's just there's, there is more to this being than we understand.
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A
Yeah, I agree with you. There's something more going on. There's. You know, Sasquatch is very strange and, and a lot of encounters don't really surprise me much anymore with how weird things get. And I think you and your brother, God rest his soul, I think you guys did the right thing, got out of there and thank God you guys didn't crash trying to leave with the speed you guys were going. But I get the fear for sure. And I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and share your encounter. Ben, I really enjoyed chatting with you.
- [61:14]
B
No, I honestly, I really appreciate what you do here and I think you do an amazing program and you know, it's, it's real gift you have making people feel comfortable to share something like this. That could be a very personal thing. So thank you for what you do.
- [61:28]
A
Appreciate the kind words and thank you again, Ben. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is wesasquatchchronicles.com and if you get a chance, check out sasquatch chronicles.com you can become a member and get additional shows. I'll see the members back on Sunday. Have a great weekend, everyone.
- [62:01]
B
Sam. All day long the time I spend on you all the time. All the time I spent on you all the time I spent on you Keep me hanging on all day long
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A
all the time I spend on you.