Linda (3:56)

Well, I was about 14 and I was with my. A group of my cousins here in Michigan. This was in northeast Midland County. My aunt and step. Step uncle, they were renting a house that actually belongs to. At the time, belonged to my other aunt. These are my dad's sisters. He's from Midland, Michigan here, but he was in the Air Force, so we were living in Oklahoma at the time. But anyway, we came here for summer vacation to go camping up in the Upper Peninsula. And before we went up to the Upper, spent the night at my aunt and uncle's house here in Midland County. And my cousins got a new mini bike. And we were all in the backyard. It was in the afternoon, beautiful sunny day, probably, I'm gonna guess maybe around 1 or 2 in the afternoon. There was me, my step cousin Kathy, and Robbie, my step cousin Robbie, my cousin Lori, and her brother Jimmy. And then they had a friend over. His name was Roger. Roger was over. And we were all taking turns on that mini bike, their new mini bike. Well, when our turn came, I got on the bike with Kathy. Kathy was driving, and we went down the path out into the woods. And when you get out there, there's like a turnaround. And it's. If you were to look at it, you know, like from. With a drone or something, it looks like a. Kind of like a number nine, I guess the way it's. The path goes, and then it goes around in this big sandy, like a circle. And then. Then you turn around and you go back down to go back to the backyard. Well, when we got into. Kathy and I got into the turnaround, like straight ahead of us on the other side of this turnaround, there was this thing looking at us. All you could see was the head. You couldn't see the body. It was behind these bushes. Kathy. When we saw both side at the same time, the turn the bike over, and we got back up. We got back on the bike and we got out. We got back out of there as fast as we could, got back up to the house and got off the bike. And the other two more kids came up and grabbed the bike and took off on it. And Kathy took her helmet off and went to go in the house. And I asked her, I'm like, did you Just see. See what I saw back there? And she said she did, but she. She started crying. She said, I don't want to talk about it. And she went in the house. Well, she wouldn't come back out that day. And the other kids took off on the bike. And I was. I didn't say anything to anybody. You know, at that time. I. I was kind of. I think I was in shock. You know, my mind was at that point. My. Your. Your head is like a Rolodex. You know, your mind is like a Rolodex. You're, like, going through all these cards in your head trying to figure out, like, what you saw because you didn't know what it was because you've never seen it before. So it didn't compute. It was looking right at us, like a face forward. I had a good look at it. The turnaround wasn't that big. I mean, I'm just. I mean, it's hard to remember. And I haven't been back to that house. That was the last time. That was the last time I remember being at that house. Because the next summer after that, my aunt and uncle had actually started building a house at a different location. So when we came back again, they didn't. They weren't in that house anymore. Now that house is still there. And the last time we drove by looked like it was. It. I don't think it was for sale, but it didn't look like anybody was living there. And it was very creepy because all the woods behind it even grew up even more around it. And they had neighbors that lived next door at the time. And the neighbors were very upset, I guess, with my aunt and uncle. Now, I didn't know this, all of this at the time. I found this out later when Lori and when we all talked about it and when I finally came out with what happened and talked about it to Lori and Jimmy, Lori said she saw. Either she saw that one or she saw a different one. We don't know. But she saw one back there, too, when she was on foot back there. And then she was in the bedroom one night. She slept in the bedroom with my cousin, her sister Carlita. And this was in the summertime. And she thinks it was probably that same summer that I came for July and vacation. Anyway, in the middle of the night, she woke up because Carlita was screaming. There was a big hairy hand on the window. Like, they had the window open, but the screen was shut. Well, you could. She said, you could see this big, giant hand on the window screen. Carlita saw it and she screamed. And my aunt. I guess my aunt came in the. In the bedroom and asked what was going on. What's going on? And they told my aunt what happened. And she's like, oh, you girls, you. You must have just been having a nightmare. Just go back to sleep. And I told Lori, I'm like, did you, like, bring this subject up again after that? Like, did you, like, say, no, mom, you know, we weren't. Nobody was dreaming. It was real. She's like, no, I didn't bother. And, you know, I never told my parents about it. That day that me and Kathy saw was big. It had bit, like, smooth, smooth cheeks. It was very dark, complected. It had great big, huge round eyes that were set far apart. The eyes were really dark, like, really dark brown or black. It had really long hair on its head. I couldn't see any ears. Like, it had hair that covered where the ears would have been. It had a real long lip line. Its mouth was really wide. It had big lips, but the lip, like, it had a really wide. Like a wide mouth, like a long lip line. It had a big nose. Its nose was more. I don't want to say it was like a gorilla, because it really was more like a human, but it was. But it was big and it was kind of more flat. Flatter. I guess I want to say it didn't, like, stick up as much as, like, what a person's nose would. I mean, you could see some of its forehead. It was just. It had its mouth shut. It wasn't like, baring its teeth. It didn't make any noises at us. I mean, if it did, we wouldn't have heard it because when we. When Kathy dumped the bike over and we dumped, you know, got the bike back up and picked the bike back up. Like, it started right back. The bike started. The mini bike started right back up. We got on it and we got out of there. So it could have been. I mean, now that I. Now that I know what I know now about these things after having more experiences with them, it could have been growling at us or something, but we wouldn't have heard it, like, over the bite.

Host (possibly Wes) (11:09)

Yeah. And I appreciate you kind of going over that experience. I know you've gone over it before on the show, but being that it was so long ago, it kind of gives people a background on you. Linda, and you had this incident happen in April. If you would kind of start from the beginning. What were you doing and what happened?

Linda (11:30)

So in April of this year, this was actually a campground in southeast Michigan. And this is a great big, like, natural area. I'd never been to this place before. This was the first time I'd ever been there. And I made reservations to go there, and I went. It was April 25, which is a Friday. It was the same day that they had, like, a bunch of flood warnings and floods and a bunch of rain and storms in southeast Michigan that day. And I got to camp before. Just, like, before dark, and all the way down, it was rainy. The weather was bad. I pulled into this campground, and I'd never been there before. And this campground, it's like a big circle, and there's probably, like, maybe 23 campsites. It's all rustic. And there's nobody else in this campground except for. There's, like, one other vehicle. And it's like a class. I don't know, a class A or a class B camper. And there's no people around it. I never saw anybody go in it, never saw anybody come out of it, so. And there wasn't no cars there. So I don't know if the people, you know, like, were inside it, and they just weren't coming out, you know, because it was a. The weather was bad, but it was just weird because when I got there, even the DNR didn't even come around. Like, usually they drive around in their trucks every couple hours. Like, I didn't see anybody. Come to find out. This is, like, the only campground in this whole air. This whole thing. And this is, like. I'm pretty sure it's, like, over a thousand acres. It's a. It's a really big area. And. But this is the only campground that they. That's available to the public. Well, this campground also, you can take courses there. So if you look at that picture I sent you, there's these big, like, posts in the ground. I. I think that's so people can, like, tie their horse up to it. And we were in campsite number 17. And on one side of that campsite, there's this big open field, and then across this field, there's a wood line. Well, I had no clue on Friday that on the other side of that wood line, there's a dirt and gravel road. And then if you go across the road, there's. It's just more. It's more of this natural area that belongs to this park, you know, And. But I didn't know it at the time because that was the first time I'd been there, and I was supposed to meet my friend Gabe was supposed to come there on Friday night and I was in my van and I just stayed in my van for a while and we were texting. He said he wasn't going to make it because he was still working. And I said, well, you know, we have a great big storm front that's about to roll in here probably. And you know, by dark. I said, you might as well just not even come out until morning because we had, we were gonna hike, but we weren't gonna, you know, hike and go out. And we didn't want to go out in a thunderstorm when it's lightning and stuff. So he said, well, don't go out walking around there. Don't go out walking around there, you know, after dark by yourself. And I said, well, I'm not going to do that. It's going to storm anyway. So we had that established. So I was pretty much by myself in this entire campground with nobody around. And I was. So I was already creeped out. And I decided I would get out of my van before it got really dark, too dark, and get some drinks. I had my coolers outside. I thought I'm going to get out, get some drinks, put some drinks in the back of my van. This way when it starts storming, I don't have to get out and get rained on, you know, to get in my cooler. And I work midnight shift, so I don't like, generally, I'm not generally able to go to bed and just go to sleep like at 9 or 10 o' clock at night. I'm usually, even on my night off, I'm usually up to like 2 or 3 in the morning at least. So I'm still drinking and everything. So I go out to get my drinks in the cooler and I go to walk back. So my van is, it's parked sideways and I'm getting in and out the back slider door. It's a Toyota Sienna. So I have a. The, the doors on my van, they. They kind of slide open on the side. So I've got the slider door open and I go to get back in the slider door and I turn my head to the left and I look out into this field and by now it's pretty much, it's pretty much dark. So I kind of miscalculated my timing because now it's pretty much dark and the wood line's completely dark. You can't see anything in the wood line. But now there's something in the field and some animals out in the field and they're all running at me like they're coming across this field. And they're like, they look like they were going to run right up, right up to me. And you could tell they were down on all fours. You could kind of see some eye shine. And I thought, now what the hell is that? You know? So I grabbed my flashlight, I have a little flashlight behind my seat, and I grabbed my flashlight and I put my light on these things and I'm like, whatever you are, you know, that's far enough. Because I had no clue what, what the. I didn't know if it was coyotes or. So I, I realized it was deer, white tailed deer. And I'm standing there and they all stopped. After I yelled at them, they all stopped. And now they're looking at me and I'm thinking, why are these deer all running up to me like that? That's not even normal behavior. I'm, you know, it's very confusing. And, and just when I think that in the back of my mind I'm thinking, okay, if these deer are running up to me like that, it's because they're trying to get away from something, you know? And as soon as I thought that, these deer turned their heads and they all turned their head and they all looked like back at the wood line where they had come from. And then they all took off like a bat out of howl across this field, like they, they were gone. And I'm thinking, yeah, I thought something's after these deer. So I start scanning the wood line across this field with my flashlight and there's a big pair of eyes. And it was like seven or eight feet up off the ground. And these eyes were huge. They were big and they were round and they were set far apart. So I know it's not a person and I know it's not. I know it's a predator because of some kind because it's got the, you know, the forward facing eyes. And I'm thinking, okay, whatever this thing is, it's quite a. It's quite a ways up off the ground. And it just stood there and now it's looking at me. And I'm thinking, this thing is standing up on its. If this is a bear, it's standing up on its back legs for a long time for a black bear, because we only have black bears here. And that's really not normal, you know, behavior for a bear either. You know, bears. I think the only reason bears stand on their hind legs is usually because they want to look around to see what's Going on. And this, if this was a bear, it should have came back down on its front legs by now. Because it's standing there Looking at me, And I'm looking at it, and it's not making a noise. It's not doing anything. So I yell across this field at it. I said, I see you. And I didn't say it, like, in a mean tone of voice. I just kind of yelled at it to say, you know, I can see you, Just to like, to let it know that I knew it was there, Because I guess I was trying to get a reaction out of it to see what it was going to do. Because I'm trying to figure out what this thing is, Because I'm thinking It might be a bigfoot. But I can't really say that because it's so dark out there, I can't really see its body. All I can see Is the eyes right now and kind of judge the height of it. So it didn't do anything. It blinked its eyes, and it's still standing there. Now it's still looking at me. And I'm thinking, okay, I'm going to get a different flashlight out. So I grabbed a bigger flashlight. I have another flashlight. I call it my cop light. It's like a 1500 lumen or something like that. And I'm thinking, I'm going to put this light on it. Surely I can see something, you, know, with this flashlight. So I put that flashlight on it, and it's still standing there, and it's still watching me, and. But I still can't tell what it is. All I can still see Is the eyes. Now it's starting to rain. And that storm Is the storm that was supposed to come in, the big storm. Now that storm is starting, and I'm thinking, okay, you know, I'm going to get in the back of my van. I'm going to get my thermal out, and I'm going to thermal this thing, and then we're going to find out what it is When I thermal it. Because once I put my thermal on it, I'll be able to tell, you know, what it is or what it isn't for sure. So I shut my flashlight off, Stuck it in the back of the seat, and got up and crawled into the back of my van and turned around and sat down on my bed, Grabbed my key fob and hit the door to shut the door, the sliding door. And as soon as I hit my key fob to shut that sliding door, and the door started to slide shut, There was This really loud growl. And it sounded like it was like five feet from my van. Like where I had just been out there standing. It was at my van. My door shuts. I hit lock, an alarm. And now I'm sitting there in the dark in the back of my van. I'm in kind of in shock. I'm thinking, whatever this thing is, I don't know if that's. If that's. I mean, at the time I'm thinking that's what I was looking at in the wood line. But later on, when I think back to it, I think, was that what I saw in the wood line or was there more than one of them and the other one was sneaking around the side and trying to get the drop on me? Because a lot of times they say with these things, there's usually if you see one, there's more than one of them. But I didn't think about that at the time. I was only thinking about the one in the wood line and how I just narrowly escaped getting that because that thing was pissed. And I have no doubt that if it had got a hold of me, I would be dead. Like, it sounded like it wanted to kill me. It was that angry. Well, I'm sitting there and I'm waiting to see what this thing's going to do. I don't know if. Is it going to rip the door off my car? I didn't know what was going to happen. I couldn't hear anything except for it was raining. It's raining really hard now. So I just sat there in the dark and I didn't do nothing. I didn't turn any lights on. Of course, now I have window coverings up in my van because as soon as I got there before it got dark, the first thing I did was. And I'm very happy I did this, is I put all my reflective reflectix, my window coverings for my van. I had all those in, you know, so people can't look in your van when you're trying to be in your van or whatever, kind of like what the van lifers do. That's how I have my van set up. So I'm sitting there waiting to see what was going to happen. Because I'm thinking, you know, I might have to crawl over the. The console and I might have to get in the driver's seat and I might have to drive out of here if this thing starts trying to, you know, wanting to rip the door off my van or something, because I don't know what's going on. Here. Well, I didn't hear anything else. And it started storming and it's raining. So I'm just back there the rest of the night. And as a couple hours go by, the rain lets. Starts to let up a little bit and. But you could hear. I heard howls, screams on and off. You could hear coyotes going off. It was really an active area. And the next morning Gabe showed up and I told him what happened. And him and I went out there to the field. And he walked across the field and went out into that wood line to try to do. We were trying to do like a re every creation to try to see like where this place was standing. We wanted to see if it was standing, if it could have been standing on a hill maybe, or if it was something on a rise or a hill that would make it maybe look like it was taller than what it really was. But nothing like that. Couldn't find any tracks out there. Of course, it was all grassy and everything. So we did that and we didn't really come to any conclusions other than the fact that the height that I saw this thing at was probably truly the height this thing is, you know, 7 or 8ft tall. That was a guess. Then he goes across the road later on and find. That's when we found out across that dirt and gravel road on the other side of the woodline, we found out that there was a whole nother set of woods and apart to this park. And there's a little lake over there. And he found tracks. He found some suspicious looking tracks. Some of them had toes at them. You know, they look like the bear. They look. They look like bigfoot tracks. I mean, you know, you can't say for sure until you cast these things and everything. But when he came back to get the stuff to go back and cast them, and he went back to cast the one track, it was all scuffed out. Which we thought that was really, really strange because there really wasn't a lot of people, you know, in this campground. But at this point there's one other person now that. That shows up to this campground. And it was a guy in a tent and a bicycle. But yeah, I mean, that's. That's pretty much what happened. And then he found. He moved his vehicle and he found a big clump of hair that he collected. And I don't know what the hair was. You know, I said, are you sure? You know, how do you know it wasn't horse hair or something? You know, people have. I guess people take horses there and I talked to the rangers about that. I said, so how, you know, how often do people come here with their. You know, with their horses? And he said, there's like two times a year that there's these big groups that come there, and they. They pretty much take the whole. That whole campground, and they all bring their horses, and they do it like, two times a year. And I said, well, are. Is there any other place to camp in this place? Because this is a really. A really big area, you know? He's like, well, they used to have these backpacking campsites where there were, like, yurts or something out in the middle of the woods that you could walk into with a backpack. But he said, they're all off limits now. And I said, they're off limits. I said, why is that? He said, well, he said, the people that we contracted out to that came in here to put the yurts, it's really their property, and the contract expired, and they just haven't came and got them out yet. So we really can't allow anybody to camp out there. So as soon as Gabe found that out, he was like, well, we're going to go find. We're going to go find one of these campsites they're talking about. Because that whole story sounded weird, you know. Well, we did. We found one of the campsites where supposedly there was supposed to be, like, a yurt or a tent for people at one time to camp at, and there was, like, nothing there at all. There was no yurt, there was no tent. But you could tell where at one time there had been something there. So that was. That whole thing was kind of strange. I just thought it was strange in the daytime they come out and they mow the grass there. Like this last time when I went back in July. So I went back there in July for three days, and the one picture I sent you where it shows that field, but it's all grown up, that was taken in July. That's what the field looks like now. That's next to that campsite. 17 was the campsite number that we stayed on. I can tell you the name of the. The campground. It's the Highland Recreation Area, and it's in southeast Michigan. I want to say it's white. I think it's called White Lake Township. If you look at it on a map, you can kind of get an idea of, like, how big this place is. I kind of feel like I really don't mind that people know where it was at. It doesn't bother me. I think people I actually think people should be warned. I have a lot of different feelings about this than I have about most of the places I've been to. Like, because this thing, whatever this thing was, it was. I feel like it's a. It. It was dangerous.

Host (possibly Wes) (28:58)

Yeah, sounds like it. And I really appreciate you sharing the location. I always leave it up to the witness, whether they want to share it or not. And obviously, if it's on people's property, I advise them not to share exactly where it's at. But how far from the wood line was your van when you first saw the. The eyes?

Linda (29:20)

Well, you know what? I didn't have a yards. I wish I had a. I told Gabe I wish I had a yardstick. He goes, what for? And I said, so I can measure that, like, from where the van was across to that woodland, like, how many actual yards it is. Like, I sent you a picture, and you can look at it in the picture, but I can't. I couldn't. You know, it's hard for me to judge, but I can only think of something in yards like the size of a football field. So I don't know. What would you say if you looked at the picture? I said, I. I texted you some pictures. I don't know if you saw them or not, but I'm. If I had to guess, I would. I would say like, maybe 50 yards, like half the length of a football field, like, from where my van was parked that night to that wood line. I'm going to guess and say maybe 50 yards. But I was flabbergasted when I told. The next day, when Gabe came out and I told Gabe what happened, I said, I. I said, I don't understand how. I said, look, I was standing right outside my door, and when I turned around and crawled up into my van, I mean, I have arthritis and stuff, so I'm not like a super fast person anymore. I said, but it only took me maybe two minutes to get up into my van and turn around and sit down. I said, I don't understand how that thing could have came all the way across that field, like, within that time and been right up to my van like that. Like, I just. Just missed getting grabbed by this thing.

Host (possibly Wes) (30:52)

Yeah. And I'll post the pictures you sent me, Linda. You know, me looking at them, I would say a football field, maybe a little bit less. That wood line was from where you were at. And that's what got me thinking about if there was two of them. I realize these things are fast, but you're already Inside the van, closing the door, and this thing's right there screaming at you as you're closing the door. There must have been two of them. I mean, if he was that pissed to come from the wood line Charging you all the way to your van, I don't think he would have stopped at just screaming at you.

Linda (31:31)

I know. I told. He goes, well, these things are super fast. If that's what if it was a bigfoot. He said, they've been known. You know, people always say that they. They are supernaturally. They do supernaturally seem to be fast. And. And which that's true because I think I seen another one one night. It was a juvenile back when I was out with. That was different. That was a few years ago, Back when Phil Shaw, researcher Phil Shaw was still alive. And he was having conferences in west branch, michigan. And we went out after a conference. We went to the rifle river campground up north there. And we stayed at that campground and we split off into two groups. And a group of us took off. This was north of rose city, michigan. And a group of us took off. This was around midnight. And we went out into the. Some state land. And there was like this big square field where you could pull off into this field. And there was like a little driveway that you could pull into it. And there was like. I don't even know what it was. It was like a big, big silver like, oil drum or something. Or it looked like a place where at one time they might have stored some type of fue or something. Because it had like a ladder that went up to this little catwalk. It was like this big drum. But there. I don't think there was anything in it at the time. I don't know. But it was state land anyway. But it was a field. And the field was probably maybe waist, waist high. And then all the. All around this field on all three sides, that there were woods. And the reason we went to this site was because the guy that knew about the site that took us there, he had had some type of experience there before, so. Or found tracks there or something. So we went there. That's where we went. And I'm pretty sure I saw one that night. And it was running up and down the wood line. And it was so fast that I could only catch it, like, out the corner of my eye. Because what it was doing, it was standing up and it was running down the wood line, like between the field and the wood line. And then it was dropping down underneath the grass, like underneath. So you couldn't See it, like dropping down on its stomach. And I don't know why it was doing that. It only looked like it was maybe five feet tall. It wasn't very big. So all I could think of was maybe it was a juvenile and it was trying to look at us, to get a look at us, to see what we were doing. So what happened is the two. The guys had put out one of those game collars. This was my first experience using one of these game collars. I don't know if you've ever seen one, but you. It's like. I don't know, it's like the size of a little generator or something. And they. They take it and they put it out in the woods and then they take it and leave it out there and they have a remote control. They come back and then they can make this thing play like animals in distress noises. So that's what they were doing. And, well, they called something in and it was on the other side of this field. And it kept getting up and it would run, then it would go down, it would get up, it would run the wood line again back the other way and then it would go down. And every time I would turn my head to look directly at this thing. And when I told the other. The other people about it that were with me that night, nobody could see it. I said, you've got to be really fast. I said, turn your head, but try to watch, like out the corner of your eye. I said, you'll see it. It'll pop up and run. Like, it was just so fast. It was unbelievably fast. Like, I had really no clue just how fast these things were until I saw that that night. That kind of like. I mean, I've heard about it, but until you really see it yourself, you don't, you know, you really. You don't. You don't have an ideal. These things are so fast. It's just unbelievable. So I told Gabe, I said, either that thing was just so unnaturally fast, I said, or maybe there was another one. And that whole time I was out there, the other one was like coming around, you know, like working its way around to try to get the drop on me. Yeah, they almost got me, too.

Host (possibly Wes) (35:47)

Yeah, I was going to ask you that because I know you're out there all the time. I see your posts on Facebook and is there a particular area or property that you go to all the time or is it random?

Linda (36:00)

Well, sometimes it's random, but there we do have some areas that we go to. All the time. I have an area that we've been going to for over five years now, and there's probably. There's probably at least like seven or eight people that I know of that go to this area. Other people between. All of the people that I know of that go there. We've. We've. We've found tracks. We've gotten vocals there. There's been some sightings there. Now, the old sighting that I heard about was. There was one. I guess there was one crossing the road, and it had a deer on its back. And this was a local person. I don't think it was a researcher that saw it. It was like one of the local people that lived there. And I have a friend that. Her and her husband live there. He goes out sometimes with us. His name is Todd. My friend Todd and Todd's wife grew up there. And she told me the local people that live there, they've known for years about these things, and these things have been there for years. And they just call them the wild people of the woods. And I said, well, what do you. What does that mean, the wild people of the woods? Like, are they saying that they're just people that live in the woods or what are they. What do they mean by that? She said, they're just. They're just like. No, she said. I mean, she said they're Bigfoots, but they just. They don't call them bigfoots. They just like, the older. The older generation of people that live in that town, in that area. She said, they just call them the wild people of the woods. And I said, okay. I said, so that kind of tells me that these things have been there. Like, I think they've been there for a long time. I mean, who knows if it's the same ones or not? You know, I'll tell you. I sent you and I. I tried to get on my computer so I could find the original file. It was on my laptop, and I can't find it. But I had. I was there one night by myself. I went there on a weekend by myself. And this was like, on my birthday weekend. And so it would have been like the last. I think it was the last weekend in March. My birthday is March 29th. So I went there one weekend and I went by myself. I didn't tell it. I took my thermal. I didn't tell anybody I was going. I didn't tell Gabe I was going. I didn't even tell Todd I was coming there. He lives there, like I said, with his wife. I Didn't tell anybody I was going to this area. And at that time I was driving a different vehicle. I had my black Ford Escape, it was the same vehicle that I've been using, had been using for the last couple years in the same area. And I went there, it was about midnight and I was backed up to this big field that's surrounded by woods and I got a thermal capture. I'm sitting on the driver's side and I have my window down and I'm thermaling out my driver's window and I'm thermaling across this field and on the other side of this field there's a wood line where these really, really big trees are at. Now I've already been, mind you, I've already been all over that place in the daytime. Like I've already been through there at night. I've been through there, you know, with my friends in the daytime. We and my other researchers, we've been in there. So I'm kind of familiar, familiar with this whole area by now. And I'm thermaling this wood line and I get five hits up in these trees. I've, I got five green crosses. Well, according to the, the book that came with my thermal, this is the first thermal I ever got. So I'm not, you know, really tech savvy person. But what happens is when you start to get a heat signature, at first you're going to get like these little green crosses and it's basically letting you know that there's something there, but it's not close enough for you to get like a full on heat signature. So I've got five green crosses and each one is in a different tree and I'm thinking, okay, this is weird. So now I've got five objects in five different trees and I'm thinking, oh well, they're just sitting in these trees, they're not doing nothing. And I'm thinking, well, maybe it's raccoons or maybe it's just possums or whatever. So I waited and I waited. I'm not a very patient person. Finally I'm thinking, you know, I'm just going to get out of my car and I'm just going to walk across this field and I'm going to go see what this, what this is. Because nothing's going on. It's really quiet out, there's no cars, there's no other people in the area, nothing's going on and I'm just sitting here. So just when I think that as I have this thought in my Head that I'm going to get out of my car. I'm watching, and all of a sudden, all five of these things drop out of these trees. And when I say they drop, I mean they just like, dropped out. They didn't, like, shimmy down the tree. They literally jumped out of these trees. And those trees are huge. So right off the bat, I'm thinking, okay, well, that was not people. Because if those were people, they would. They probably would have just broke their legs or something, because these trees are huge over there that they just jumped out of. So I'm watching, and one by one, these things all come out of the woods and they're on the wood line. And now they're all walking single file, and they're coming around the wood line and they're coming toward me. And where I'm backed up to this field at, there's a road, and then there's the wood line in between the road and the field, and they're coming toward me, but they're staying inside the woods, inside the wood line that's alongside of the road. And I'm waiting, and I'm waiting, and now I'm getting. Now I'm starting to get a hit on my thermal. Like, I'm starting to get more of a heat signature. While the last heat signature I got, it looked like one was down on the ground, like maybe on its belly or something. And at this point, they're like halfway to me where I'm sitting in my car. I'm nervous. I'm thinking, you know, I got this voice in my head saying, I think you need to leave. Maybe I should leave. And. And, you know, right now I'm more at war with myself. Am I gonna stay? Am I gonna get out of here? Am I am or am I gonna stay? Because isn't this what I came here for? So I decided I would just stay. And I'm watching. And then all of a sudden it was quiet. They disappeared. And I don't know what happened. And I'm sitting there and I'm thinking, okay, now where did they go? Well, then I started really kind of freaking out because I'm thinking now I don't know where they're at, and I don't know what they're up to because they just went into the woods and they were coming at me, but now I don't see anything. Well, then all of a sudden, across the road from where I'm parked in the woods on the other side of the road, I hear a deer start screaming. So what had happened is they crossed the road and they went into the woods over there. And now they're over there, they're killing a deer, and the deer are screaming. And I know it was a deer because I've heard. I've heard coyotes kill a deer before. So I know what it sounds like when a. When a deer screams. Yeah, it was quite. Quite the experience. So the deer are screaming, they're killing a deer, and the deer stop screaming. And then all of a sudden, everything's quiet again. And I don't know what's going on. I'm like. And. And I'm just waiting because nothing's happening and I don't see anything. And I didn't see anybody coming out of the woods, you know, I didn't see anything coming out of the woods, you know, because at this point, I'm thinking, what are they going to do now? Because I feel like I interrupted a hunt, and are they going to be upset with me because I interrupted their hunt? Because I feel like that's probably what it was. I'm in my head, I don't know what's going on. I'm. I'm thinking, okay, because if that was. If. If that was people coming out of those trees, then it had to have been, like, people using, like, what do you call it, Repelling equipment. Like, they would have had to, like, repel or something to get out of those trees without breaking their legs. And why would people be in the woods like that and then come over here and then go kill a deer like that? Because there was no gunshots. So whatever killed the deer, obviously it didn't use a gun or anything because there was no gunshots or anything like that. There are no other cars or vehicles in the area when I went and parked there, because I drove up and down the road before I parked, so I checked. So I'm sitting there watching, and I've got my thermal, and I. And I decide, okay, I'm going to put the strap of my thermal around my wrist. I put the strap of my thermal around my left hand, my left wrist, and I still kind of. I'm still. I still have it kind of up in the window. And I'm just waiting for something to happen. And I'm just sitting there, and I'm sitting there, and then all of a sudden I just, like, blacked out. Like, I don't know what happened, and I can't explain it. This is the part that drives me crazy because I feel like I blacked out or I passed out or something. Happened or I just fell asleep. Now I really find it hard to believe that I would just fall asleep when something like that was going on. So the whole thing is suspicious as far as falling asleep. Like I said, I work midnights and I shouldn't have just fell asleep. Not right after the deer was killed, you know. So anyway, I came to, when I came to, everything was still quiet and my window was still down. I still had my thermal was around my wrist. And all of a sudden I get this voice in my head, you need to leave the area now. And that was it. And I just thought, okay, I'm just going to leave because I don't see anything. I pull forward in my car. I still have my thermal up and you know, I still have my hand like up in the window still of my car and I. My thermal's still on and I kind of just was holding it up there and I pulled forward and I stopped and then I turned, I turned right and I left. When I left, instead of turning left toward what where that was all going on, I turned right and I left and left that way. Later, come to find out later, I took my thermal. This was like months later, I took my thermal to Todd's house to, for Todd, because Gabe, Gabe's like, you need to dump your thermal and see what was. See what you got on your thermal. And I took it to Todd because I'm not a tech savvy person and Todd knows more about computers and stuff. So Todd and I went in his basement and we were dumping my thermal and that, that thermal capture of the one walking down the side of the road and stuff that was on my thermal and it was from that night. And you can see there's one on the side of the road on my side of the road where I was parked, there's one coming down the side of the road. There's one across the road and it's down on all fours and it's looking around like you can, you can tell that's what it is. If you know anything about these things and their body, and I know you do, you know what these things look like and you know about their body. Like their body structures. Like these, like the one across the road, I call that one. I call him the football player. He's down on all fours, no neck to speak of. His. His arms and shoulders are huge. The one on the side of the road looks really super tall. But it doesn't look like the one on all fours. It doesn't have like, it's big but it doesn't look as big. But I'm looking at the thermal capture. And then down, down the road, it looks like there's one coming through the. Out of the ditch on either side of the road. I'm thinking, one, two, three, four. Okay, that's four. What? That's four. What happened to the fifth one? Because when this all started, There was five of these things that dropped out of those trees. So I can't account for the fifth one. I don't know where the fifth one went that night or what it was doing. But in my thermal capture, I see four of what I believe are four big. I truly believe are four bigfoots. And the one that's on my side of the road that's coming toward me. I call him the roadside creeper because he's. He's walking down the roadside and he's coming at me. Gabe took. Took it. And super, like, somehow with his computer, like, superimposed himself, like, next to this thing to try to see how big this thing was really like, to get a ideal. So we went out to do a recreation and took his picture. Todd and I took pictures of gabe standing down there where. Where we thought this thing was in my thermal. So after taking pictures of gabe down there and then giving him the pictures, he took the pictures of himself standing down there. Somehow he superimposed himself Next to this thing that's walking towards me. Of what I believe is a. Is a bigfoot walking towards me and put himself next to it to try to get an idea of how big or how tall this thing really was. And this was Adam davies ideal to do this. When I showed adam davies My thermal capture, Adam, he said, you need to, like, try to do a recreation. Until you can see how big this thing really was. Well, this thing was a full. Probably two feet or more taller than gabe. It's. This thing's shoulders had to have been, like, 3 to 4ft wide, which you can't. You can't tell that by looking, like, in my thermal, the one that's walking. I'm talking about the one that's upright walking until he put himself Next to this thing. This thing is massive. Like, totally massive. Unbelievable. There's absolutely no way that these things could have been people walking down the road. Another researcher from west virginia Saw my thermal, and he said, oh, it's a person in a T shirt. No, it's not a person in a T shirt. So when I first saw the thermal capture, I thought to myself, what is going on here? This whole thing Looks supernatural. It looks paranormal. I don't understand what's going on here. Why does this look like. Why does my thermal look like this? How come I'm not seeing full blown, like heat heat signatures? If these things are real and they're a real live, living thing, why, why does it look the way it does? I don't understand what's going on here. Nobody knew. Nobody could figure that out. Well, I took it to a conference over in Benton Harbor, Michigan, in that area. There was a conference. Do you know who Robert Kreider is with Kreider Exploration?

Host (possibly Wes) (51:17)

Yeah, I know Robert.

Linda (51:19)

Robert builds these thermals. He builds thermals, he builds listening devices. He's a very smart, very smart, intelligent guy. He knows about that type of equipment stuff. He's been doing this for a long time. Well, I showed it to him to try to get his opinion on this to see if he could explain to me why my thermal looked the way it does, like the colors and everything. And it didn't look right. It didn't look like what I thought it should have looked like. So my thermal settings were not set right on my thermal. He said, your thermal settings are not set right. He said. And then he was showing me like the heat signature in the road. You can see some red, like in the road where the heat, like the road was thrown off, still thrown off heat. But anyway, he said the settings in your thermal are not set right. He said, that's why it looks the way it does. He said, I've been, I've been after these things or I've been studying these things for, I think he said, over 20 years or something. He said, and I know what these things look like. He said, and I'm going to tell you right now, he said, that's a Bigfoot. And I'm like, oh, okay. Well, I was glad I got an opinion. I mean, I was glad somebody could tell me what was going on with this thermal because it didn't look right. It doesn't look like, you know what a thermal capture should look like. You know, when you look at a heat signature, if you see a person in a thermal and you see their heat signature, you're pretty much like, let's say if you have the setting, like if you're red, red I think it's called. You either have a red, a fusion or you have a black, black hot. Like if you have a set on red hot, you should. Their whole body, right? You would think their whole body would be like red pretty much when you get a heat signature. And a thermal. Well, this mine's not. Mine didn't come out like that. It's really creepy looking. I'll try to send it to you again if I can find it. I'll try to send you the original file.

Host (possibly Wes) (53:21)

Yeah, I would love to see them. And Robert's a good guy to ask, you know, as far as the technical side of some of the different equipment people use. And he's a good guy to ask for advice from too. The voice that you heard, was it your voice?

Linda (53:39)

I don't feel like it was my voice, but I mean, I can't. I. This is. This is what really irritates me about this whole thing. I'm like a flesh and blood evidence type of researcher type person. Like, I believe these things. I really do believe these things are flesh and blood. They leave physical evidence behind, they. They leave tracks. I do think they're su. I do think they are definitely they are supernatural, which. Supernatural is not the same thing as paranormal. That's two different words. I think these things are supernaturally fast. I think they're very, very smart. I think they're intelligent, which none of those things are paranormal. But this whole thing with the voice in my head, I can't explain that because I don't know, I can't say. Well, maybe it was. It didn't feel like it was my own voice. So I don't. I feel like. Well, maybe it was my guardian angel. I mean, if you're a religious person and you believe in angels. Maybe it was my guardian angel saying, you need to leave. Or was it these things telling me, you need to leave the area now? Because they didn't want me there because they had just killed a deer. And maybe they were in the woods and they wanted to direct that deer out and they didn't want me to see it. I don't know. I can't explain any of that. It kind of ruins the whole thing because I get this, this physical stuff, you know, on thermal, and it's something you can see with your eyes. But then I hear this crap in my head, so it kind of. It kind of ruins the whole, you know, it kind of bums me out, but that's what happened. I'm. And I'm not gonna, you know, I'm not gonna say it didn't happen or not talk about it to make other researchers happy that strictly refuse to believe that there's anything, you know, paranormal or anything about these things. Because they're just flesh and blood. They're just animals, you know, they're just a great ape. You know, I respect that. If that's your opinion, that's fine. But I truly am starting to think maybe there's more to these things than meets the eye.

Host (possibly Wes) (55:53)

Yeah. And I really appreciate you sharing that portion of the encounter, Linda. I know a lot of times bigfoot researchers will leave that out. They won't talk about what you just talked about, and I think it's a little disingenuous, and I don't know why they do it. I. I think that they. Somewhere, a lot of these bigfoot researchers think that when this creature becomes public and everyone knows it's out there, scientists are going to be waiting in the wings with open arms to, you know, give them a big hug and ask them about all their knowledge on these creatures. And talking about anything weird might mess that up. And it's delusional thinking there's no scientists waiting in the wings to give bigfoot researchers a big hug and bring them in. And as someone who investigates this subject, I would rather just know what. Tell me what happened. I don't care how crazy it is. Just tell me what happened. And so I really do appreciate the fact that you had that mentality, and I've known you for years. I know that you work nights, and I think you're actually awake more than you sleep, and I just don't see you falling asleep in that moment. What do you think happened with you passing out?

Linda (57:08)

When I came to, I felt groggy. Like, I kind of. When I came to, I felt like my head wasn't all put together. Like, I felt like I had been kind of like I. Like, almost like I had been drugged or something, which I. I didn't feel like. You know how you feel when you first wake up and you really need a cup of coffee? Like, if you drink coffee and you haven't got your coffee yet, but you're supposed to be thinking about what you're going to do next and stuff, but your head is not, like, all there. It's kind of fuzzy. That. That's what I felt like, but it didn't make sense. So I'm, I'm. I'm looking at the time and I'm thinking, what happened? Like, I knew where I was at. I knew I knew where I was at. I knew what was going on. Like, I mean, I, I. I remembered everything that had happened up until that point to where everything was. To where I just, like, blacked out or whatever, and I looked at the time, and whatever happened, I wasn't out for Very long. Because it looked like maybe only not even an hour had passed. It wasn't even an hour, so maybe a half hour. So maybe I was out for maybe a half hour, if even that. None of that makes any sense to me. The only thing I can think of is they hit me with infrasound and put me out so they could come out of the woods because they wanted to come out and do whatever they did, who knows, drag the deer out. They could have very easily gotten that deer out, took the deer through the woods and then took it across the road, down the road where I would have never, you know, where I couldn't see it. You know, if they don't want to be seen, you're not going to see these things.

Host (possibly Wes) (58:57)

Yeah. Be careful, will you? It's troublesome. I. I think that it could be infrasound, but I think with them, for if you're hit with that hard of a frequency of infrasound, I'm not so sure you'd been able to drive out of that after waking up. And it's troublesome for me anyway to hear stuff like that. And I really appreciate you including it in your testimony because like I was saying earlier, a lot of researchers will just skip over that part because it. It sounds too crazy to even talk about. So they won't talk about that portion and you do. And, you know, I don't know if these things are paranormal, normal or not. And I know you're very much into the flesh and blood, but for me, I just feel like there's something more is going on here than what we realize.

Linda (59:47)

Yeah, I think I'm starting to think so too. Yeah, the whole mind speak type situation thing. Because what happened to me out at that farm, you know, at the farm field gate when I got the thermal capture, I feel like that could have been what they call mindspeak. I mean, I don't know if that's what it was, but like, I can't explain that. And I can't explain the whole like the missing, short missing time and blackout type thing or falling asleep thing. I can't explain what happened there. I can't explain why I didn't see those things on my thermal, like with my naked eye, like at the present time, like, why am I going back now and finding it, you know, the recording of it, but why didn't I see it at the time? I can't explain any of that. So I don't know what happened.

Host (possibly Wes) (60:39)

Be careful out there. I worry about you going out there. And I know you're a big girl. You can take care of yourself. But definitely be careful. And I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and share what happened to you. Linda, it's been too long. And thank you again for coming on.

Linda (60:57)

Yeah, sure, anytime.

Host (possibly Wes) (61:00)

Thanks again, Linda. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is wesasquatchchronicles.com and if you get a chance, check out sasquatch chronicles.com you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.

Linda (61:20)

One. I'm fine. I'm at a lion. Traveling back in time. I want to be a white star. My. You, Unlike me, Stood at the speed of sound ready to leave the ground looking like a white star. Ram. Sa. How come you guys do everything upside down? Okay, let's let it drift in like this. Slowly. Okay? I. Sa.