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Host Robert
On a late November night in 2012, while driving in the foothills of Washington, two brothers were surrounded by mysterious creatures. Still haunted and forever changed, these men took to the Internet, creating a forum for others. If you've had an encounter and no one else can help, maybe you can contact Sasquatch Chronic.
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Guest Adam
It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. And it either heard me or smelt me. And he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up.
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Host Robert
And that, that shocked me.
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Guest Adam
They don't make people that that big.
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Host Robert
The way it almost as if it.
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Guest Adam
Was gliding across the beach.
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Host Robert
I've never seen anything move like that in my life.
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Guest Adam
They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language. And they were chuntering away. Back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like.
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Host Robert
And there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. Nine, one, one, what are you reporting? Jesus Christ.
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Guest Adam
You better see him. Hello? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a is about 6 foot 9. I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh oh.
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Host Robert
Hi, I'm Robert from England. You're about to listen to greatest podcast on the planet. So grab a cup of tea, sit back and prepare to be entertained by Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show. Tonight we'll be speaking with Adam. Adam had two encounters in Washington state. One was with his father, and then many years later he was stationed at Fort Lewis and he had an encounter while doing training exercises. I'll let Adam go into it. I'm also working on a special project for the show and for the website and I'm hoping to reveal it to the listeners in about a month or so. I watched the sun go down last night and I watched it come up this morning and it's going to be a cool project though. I hope you guys really enjoy it. And I'm sorry to be so vague, but I think you guys are really going to like this. And again, I'm hoping to kind of unveil the whole thing in about a month. I received this strange piece of audio from a listener in Virginia. He writes, I'm a longtime listener and a friend recently asked me to reach out to you about some unusual sounds they've been hearing. They also took photos of what they believe may be a bedding. It looked like something very large had laid down to me. Some of it kind of resembles deer beds. But one of the impressions does seem unusually large. You previously did an interview with a man just northwest of me. It was the episode titled what's a gorilla doing in Virginia? Where that gentleman had an encounter is very near to me. And I put these videos up on the blog. But let's take a listen to the first audio clip he sent me, and I'm curious to know what you think. It might.
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Guest Adam
Be closer. It's not a dog. Just coming up that valley.
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Host Robert
Here is the second clip from another night.
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Guest Adam
It.
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Host Robert
Chat GPT analyzed this and it said it was an owl. Okay, thanks for your input, Chat GPT. But I'm curious to know what you guys think. Leave your comments below. This episode. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is wesasquatchchronicles.com and if you get a chance, check out sasquatch chronicles.com you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Adam to the show. Adam, thanks for coming on.
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Guest Adam
No problem. Yeah.
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Host Robert
And first off, I want to thank you for your service to our country. You know, as civilians, I think we. We get to run our mouths and write checks and you guys have to go cash them. But I really appreciate your service to the country.
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Guest Adam
Thank you for your support. That's what I. That's what I always tell people is when they say thank you. I just say thank you for your support. It's paying for my school and has afforded me a decent life after the military. So I appreciate it.
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Host Robert
Well, that's the least the country could do for you, ma'.
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Guest Adam
Am.
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Host Robert
And I know you had two encounters, both in Washington state. The very first one was actually with your dad. And this was what, in the early 2000s?
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Guest Adam
Yes, that was summertime of 2006 along the Nisqually river just outside of JBLM, Fort Lewis, the military base over there, just outside of their training areas. So they have a giant swath of woods, and right at the border of it, there's the river that leads out into the Puget Sound.
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Host Robert
Well, if you would, would you kind of start from the very beginning? What were you guys doing and what happened?
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Guest Adam
Yeah, so we had just moved to Washington, and my dad wanted to get into fishing and outdoor activity, so he bought these fishing waders and he wanted to go try them out in the river to go fish. So just outside of the base, along Yelm highway southeast, there's a yellow bridge that goes across the squally river and we would use that as a landmark. So we parked just outside the bridge and hiked maybe like half a mile down the squally river. And he was in the river and I was in a rock bed, just like, trying to skip rocks, throw sticks, play with grass, just sit there. I. More so I really didn't want to be out there when I was younger because I just didn't want to be out in the woods. It kind of freaked me out a little bit at first. So he's out there fishing. I'm sitting on the riverbank. There's sagebrush, tall grass, and those evergreen trees behind me. I keep hearing, like, stuff move. And I'm thinking it's just like the sound of the forest. A squirrel, a bird, or like the wind pushing stuff around. I keep hearing it over and over and over. So I look behind me and you know how, like, the rocks are kind of like mossy, or the sides will have moss on them. And I see what look. Looks like a bush or like a. Like, looks like foliage. And I'm looking past it, and I can see that it's like swaying or, like moving a little bit, like breathing. And I'm just staring at it, like looking like, intently. And I'm trying to see what exactly it is. And eventually I see like, this. This eye and the. The pupil. The best way, like, I could describe it is like it was like the size of a dollar coin. And then the. The white part of the eye was like, kind of like bloodshot red. Like red, but not like glowing red. It was like when somebody is dehydrated or really tired type of red eyes. And I saw it and it freaked me out. I didn't know what it was. Sasquatch wasn't even a thing that I knew about at the time. When I was younger, because I was new to the area, I was like, maybe 9 years old. And as soon as I saw it, I freaked out because I knew it was I. And I yelled out to my dad. I was like, dad, we gotta go. We gotta leave. He ended up coming out of the river. And then we hiked back to where the truck was about a half mile. I remember I was like, freaked out the entire time. And that's the best way I can describe it. It was just like a body just breathing in the bushes. And then I saw a giant eye looking at me. And I know it's like I sound nervous or anything right now, but, I mean, that's the best way I could describe that incident. And then when we turned back it was just. It wasn't there anymore. He didn't. He didn't see it or hear it at all. He wasn't, like, annoyed with me. He was just. He could tell something had really bothered me. I told him I saw an eye, and he told me it was probably an animal. And I. I was like, I think it's an animal, too, but it was. I didn't realize or have a suspicion of what it was until, like, later on, like, after learning about Sasquatch and then my other encounter I had near there.
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Host Robert
The area where you guys were at is notorious for sightings, especially near the Nisqually River. Many, many, many reports come out of there. And Yelm, Washington, actually has a long history. I'm not just talking about inside Yelm, but around Yelm has a very long history of encounters. I think the BFRO reports go back to the late 60s, but you can look up newspaper articles that from the turn of the century of people seeing the wild man or the hairy man through that area, and even up until this day, and it doesn't really shock me. You didn't get a good look at it because through that whole area is very dense brush. It's very thick through there. Tell me about this other incident that you had. Where were you at, what were you doing, and how much later is this?
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Guest Adam
So it was about 11 years later, back in 2018. I was stationed at Fort Lewis, Washington, the same base that my dad was at. And we were leaving Fort Lewis through the training areas to get to a mock village. It's like an open field with like. Like a container village that we would use to, like, train, like, room clearing and just war games. So we're driving out there, and our whole goal was to stand out in this field and just be props for the Calf Scouts training. So the Calf Scouts, they would go out and they would. Their whole job was to observe combatants or infantry out in the field and not be seen. That's the whole role of a Cav Scout. They're kind of like reconnaissance. And so our job was just to stand out there, do whatever we want to do. They come up, they observe us, and they're getting, like, evaluated on their performance for observing us. We were allowed to basically do whatever we want, you know, hang out, play cards, smoke cigarettes, talk, cook food if we wanted. Well, we had MREs, but just hang out. It was basically like a glorified camping trip for us, and it was about a one. It was only going to take one night when we were leaving the training areas. We ended up crossing that same exact bridge because it's one of the only bridges that you can cross with our strikers, which is like an eight wheeled armored personnel carrier. So we end up crossing the same yellow bridge that I would go fishing with my dad. We would end up fishing there a lot throughout my childhood, even camp along there. I just chalked up that first incident to like it was probably an animal staring at me. But it was, I mean it was big and it was like most animals out in northwest aren't going to sit there and look at you. They're more skittish of you than they're more scared of you, than they are curious of you. So we, we cross the river. I can see the same exact spot where me and my dad would go fishing. And after we cross the bridge we end up passing Guillaume highway and that leads into more training areas out there. So we, we pull up, it's still daylight out and we're just, you know, kind of just getting set up, getting MREs ready, playing cards, smoking cigarettes, just talking crap to each other. And then the sun goes down. And that's really when we kind of really had to be like out in the field standing around so the Cav scouts could use their infrared devices to view us. So we're just standing there talking. And then to the east, towards the Nisqually river, we hear like a loud scream. And I don't know if you've heard the Elk Meadow scream from 1986, but it's, it sounds like it's, it sounded like it was kind of far away, maybe like a few hundred meters. I mean it was close to the river. I mean it came from that direction. So I mean that's maybe a thousand meters, but you could, I could tell that it was far away. But the way like it hit, like it felt like it hit you in the core. Like it was, it was like. And I knew exactly what it was when I heard it because I had been listening to recordings in the past and I was like, that's, that's freaking. Like I told all my buddies, there was me, Norman, Proctor, Rosario and Lieutenant o'. Connor. So about five of us, we, I instantly, I was like, that's Sasquatch. Excuse the language, but I'm like, that's Sasquatch. And they're like no, no way. And I'm like yeah dude. I'm like that's Sasquatch. Like I know I've heard that scream and recordings in the past. Like that has to be after about a few minutes. We're sitting there talking again about, like, what happened, and they're shrugging it off. Really. It's probably an animal, but, like, I'm freaked out. Then we hear out to the west, and everybody gets dead silent. So like, now there's, like, two of them. So there's one to the west and one to the east. The one we heard from the west was a little bit closer than the one that we initially heard from the east. It was. It was. I have, like, growing up, I was curious about Sasquatch, and I was like, yeah, it'd be cool to see one or hear one. But when I heard that scream, my, like, my first reaction was like, kind of like fear, more so fear. And, like, shocked. I didn't expect to hear that out there. I. I always believed that they're out there, but I did not expect that I would ever hear one.
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Host Robert
Yeah, that elk meadow scream is. Is a notorious scream. It's a very famous scream, and it's always in bigfoot movies and that sort of thing. And I don't have the one from 1986, but I do have the one from 1973. And for about 30 years of this went on. In fact, up until this day, people still hear this. But for the audience who doesn't know what the elk meadow scream is, let's take a listen. Yeah, that would get my attention really quick. Forgive me for cutting in. So what kind of happens next?
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Guest Adam
So we hear both of them, and we're hanging out on the back of the striker, and we're just dead quiet. We have our night vision with us, but there was no moon out that night. And a lot of people think that night vision, it automatically makes you able to see everything at nighttime, but it relies very heavily on starlight and moonlight saloon. It takes that light and amplifies it, basically. But since it was pretty dark and our night vision was pretty old at the time, pretty beat up, it had been through multiple hands. And you're supposed to baby these devices, but most guys abuse them. They throw them on the ground, they throw them on pouches, they fall on their gear, they get abused, they're scratched up. So all we can really see is it kind of looks like a staticy TV with a black background. We could make out the grass in the field that we were in. And by the way, the field was about a thousand meters north and south and 500 meters east to west. So it was kind of. It was more like oval, diamond shaped. So we were standing out there, kind of like seeing what we can see at nighttime, but we're still, like, in a training environment. So we just can't start flashing flashlights. Like, the calf Scouts were supposed to be able to find this on their own. So we can't. We can't use flashlights. We can't even use red light. And the red light wouldn't reach that far anyways. So the tree line looks pitch black with static, and the grassy field is semi clear. My buddy Proctor, he's like, looking around, and he's probably the only other one that would believe that it was Sasquatch because he was very open about being pagan. So, I mean, he was open to, like, ideas of, like, supernatural or cryptids, all of that. So he's looking around with his night vision and he says he sees something moving out there. He's like, I see. I see something to the south of us kind of moving, like, getting closer to us. So, stepped out from the southern end, this. This creature, this. What I believe was Sasquatch, stepped out from the southern end of the field into the. Out into the open a little bit, and then walked west to east. And we could see the. The backdrop of the creature against the trees was hard to see, but we could see two legs moving. And I mean, it was moving. It's 500 yards and it's walking casually and across from west to east in like a matter of like 10 seconds. Like, not that far. I don't know if it was running. We couldn't hear it at all, but we could see it. So we see, like the. The black legs moving across the grassy field. Then we see it get up next to another dark silhouette, kind of like a. Kind of like a hump. The best way I can describe, like, the top of it. And then the. The legs were very similar to the one that traveled east to west. And then they passed on into. Towards the river. And once we saw that, we were like, let's get inside the striker and just lock it up. Like, we're not gonna. We're not gonna mess with this. We don't, like, know what that is. And by the first one, the first time we heard the scream, everybody was like, kind of casual about it. Like, oh, it's the cab scouts messing with us. And I was like, there's no way, like, how would they make that sound? And they don't have, like, speakers or anything like that that could make a sound. Sound that far away, but, like, that punchy at the same time. And the fact that there was two screams, one to the west of us and One to the east of us. So everybody's pretty freaked out by the second scream and then even more freaked out when we see something walking across the field. So we get inside the striker and you're able to combat lock it. So if you close the door and you turn the handle and, and stick a notch in it, it's combat locked, meaning nobody can open it from the outside. We these strikers, they have turrets on them that have infrared cameras and but the thing was, is our striker was a really old one and since it was only being used to transport us out there, it's digital imaging system, it's my task, that's what it's called, was pulled off of it and used on a, on a striker that was in better condition engine wise. So we're basically blind out there. All we, the only way we could see out of there is if we opened up a hatch on the top and then looked out with night vision which wasn't very good that night. Or if we looked at the periscopes which are hazy, scratched up and it's dark out. So we're in there, we're not really sleeping. We're just sitting in there and we can, we can feel something like moving up against the striker, like scratching it, like kind of like running almost like it's running its nails and then kind of like pushing it. We like the suspension is like moving ever so slightly. It's a 20,000. 20 ton. Yeah, it's a 20 ton vehicle. So like it's not light but if you push up against it the suspension will give a little bit. We so we hear like maybe over the span of like 15, 20 minutes we hear just something moving around, moving its hand across it, touching stuff. I don't think they know what like a door handle is. So like no, nothing was you know, trying to like open a hatch and get in. But they were like curious about like what this thing is or who we are. And I'm sure that they've seen soldiers out there and they've seen like vehicles out there in the past and by when daylight breaks we, we open up the hatches and get the engine, get the striker ready to roll and then we get out and we walk around the striker and there's, we're like looking for footprints. But mind you, we've been like walking around the striker like all day and then most of that night and it was summertime so the ground is very dry. Like Washington State during the summertime isn't like a lush wet land. It's extremely Dry. It's like, not. I won't say desert level dry, but there's no moisture out there. And the area we were in was a little bit sandy just from the dry foliage and the dirt. So we couldn't see any tracks or anything. And so we look around, we decide, like, we can't see anything, but we know like, something was moving up against the striker. It wouldn't be the Cav Scouts because their job wasn't to approach us or come up to our vehicle. Their job was to observe us from a far distance. So we. I'm sorry, I'm like, stuttering a lot nervous. So once the, Once we turn over the Striker, the vehicle, we start driving back to base. And like, nobody's saying anything because everybody's freaked out. I'm convinced of Sasquatch. The other guys, they either they weren't convinced or they want to admit that they're convinced. A lot of them, some of them weren't from areas like the Pacific Northwest. Proctor, he was from Colorado, so I'm sure he's heard stories. Rosario, My buddy who was also out there, he was from New Jersey, Camden, New Jersey. So, I mean, there's no woods around him. Norman was from Illinois, like Cornfield, Illinois. I don't think he believed in Sasquatch. And then our lt, the officer that was with us, I don't remember exactly where he's from, but nobody would admit that it was Sasquatch. And I was telling everybody, I was like, that's. We heard Sasquatch that night. That was Sasquatch, definitely. So we get back to. So we, we start moving. We start moving back to base. Nobody's saying anything about it except me because I'm so, like, excited and kind of shocked that I experienced that. We get back to base and it turns out that we drove up to the wrong spot, the wrong mock village that we were supposed to stage out, the wrong field we were supposed to be in. So the Caf Scouts, they never even found us that night. We were off by like five miles from where we were supposed to be. And we're unloading a striker, cleaning it up, and our lt, those with us, is getting chewed at, yelled at, because we basically wasted an entire day for the Caf Scouts evaluation. I know I sound a little nervous right now because I'm not used to doing interviews about it, but it was very bizarre. I believe it was Sasquatch that we saw and heard out there. And to this day, it kind of creeps me out initially. The first few years after this, I would Listen to Sasquatch screams, and it would make my hair stand up because I was. I mean, like, that's exactly what I heard out there. Now when I listen to it, I'm a little less freaked out. I don't think Sasquatch out there is, like, aggressive. I think they're just curious. And that area that we're in leads off into the Mount Rainier Cascades area with very few homes and towns in between. They. I mean, I think they use the Nisqually river as a way to navigate up and down from, like, Mount Rainier, Mount St. Helens area. And I think they use it for, you know, the same reason humans would use it for fishing and drinking water and hunting. I mean, there's a lot of wildlife out there, like deers, coyotes, elk, bear, you know, who knows what they eat. I believe they're cannibals, but I'm. I'm not, like, I'm. I was surprised when I heard it, but I'm not, like, surprised that. That it really happened in that area, like, at all.
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Host Robert
Yeah, and there's no reason to be nervous, too, man. Nothing exciting is going to happen here. No one's getting waterboarded. There's. It's not an interrogation, so there's really no reason to be nervous. I almost kind of think I know the general area of where you guys were. I just talked to another veteran. I almost want to say was exactly where you guys were at that general area. And he had actually got off track, too, or his group did during a training exercise, and they had experiences out there. I would imagine that moment you had with your dad many years before kind of came back into your mind after this incident.
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Guest Adam
Yeah, exactly. Like, I remember since then, in that. In that exact moment. I wasn't thinking so much about that incident from 2006, but I was after the fact, like, thinking about, like, oh, yeah, we used to go fishing out there. We used to camp, and I had that weird encounter or that weird. I feel like almost like. I don't want to call it a sighting because I don't know exactly what I saw, but I had, like, a weird moment out there with something staring at me from the tree line behind bushes and grass and stuff. And since then, like, I've thought about it. I was like, that was. I'm like, the fact that I heard screams out there, like, 11 years later, and then that incident happened. Like, I think they're connected. I don't know if, like, it's the same one or same group of them, because that Area, like it's, it's very wooded, it's very like foresty and pretty thick. But I mean there is like small towns like Yum that you have to get through Roy and then like some roads that would have to be crossed to get out there. But it is, there's not a whole lot of people in between Fort Lewis and Mount Washington. Cascade area.
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Host Robert
Yeah, that area through there. If you wanted to vanish from society and have no one find you, that's exactly where I would go because no one would ever find you there. And there is a lot of encounters that go on there. Not only near Fort Lewis, but as you get closer to Mount Rainier. And Mount Rainier is weird. There's a lot of weird stuff that goes on there. But yeah, if you wanted to vanish, that would be the place to go. You know, I was thinking about that Elk Meadow scream and I've heard many different versions of that here in Washington anyway because it's been going on for so many years. The weird thing about that vocalization, I can't say that I have one from almost any other state, I guess maybe California, but that particular vocalization really is something here in Washington. And I've heard many different versions of recordings of that. It's very, very close to that. And it's such a strange vocalization. And that striker vehicle you guys are using, if my memory is right, it's basically like a big armored personnel carrier, isn't it?
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Guest Adam
Correct.
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Host Robert
It's basically like a tank without its turret. When it was scratching on that thing and you guys roll inside of it, why do you, why do you think no one got out? I mean, I wouldn't have gotten out, but why do you think no one got out?
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Guest Adam
We didn't have weapons at all with us. We had it. Well, we didn't have live ammunition. Rather we had our M4s with us because they always wanted us to be with our rifles. And some of us had like knives, but they were like multi tools, like 3 inch blades. Nobody wanted to get out because we didn't know what it was. And the fact that it was kind of like moving like, like not like rocking a car like when a group of people rock a car and it rocks violently, but more like rocking like you're on a. Like a big boat and it's like slowly swaying back and forth. I don't know if it was because it was like pushing it on purpose or if it was leaning up against it, but it was, it was like moving its hand across. And these vehicles, they're not like steel through and through. What they are is like they're Kevlar plating, like, like, kind of like really, really compressed fabric plating that you can bolt onto the side of the vehicle. And then underneath that, there's like a thin layer of steel. And then on the interior, there's like another portion of that Kevlar plating. So, I mean, you can cut. You can hear, like, if you're inside that thing and people are talking outside, you can hear what's going on outside. The seals around the hatch hatches aren't like, airtight either. Like they're supposed to be. So I mean, if water can seep through that, then I'm sure that attributes to, like, being able to hear out there. But I mean, you can. You can tell when something's moving across it. And I think, yeah, nobody wanted to get out because, I mean, we didn't have weapons and we didn't know what it was. And if we would have gotten out, we would have been completely blind to what was around the vehicle until we were already outside of it. Yeah, we felt pretty safe in there. Like, nothing's getting inside those things if you combat lock them.
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Host Robert
I get it. I wouldn't have gotten out either. I know a few Marines that would have gotten out, but they're a little crazy, so. And God bless him, I'm just joking, man. I, you know, I wouldn't have gotten out either. I'd been right there with you guys, been like, screw this. And you know, their behavior of screaming back and forth to each other and then actually coming down to that striker vehicle and touching it, pushing it and, you know, I'm a pretty big strong guy. I don't know that I could rock one of those striker vehicles.
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Guest Adam
Yeah. I mean, there. Maybe since it was taller, it had more leverage to be able to. To move it. I mean, like, it wasn't like, moving. It was maybe moving like, side to side by an inch, but you could feel like something like, pushing up against it. And I've heard stories of them, like, walking up to people's tents and like, touching the outside of tents. I've done a lot of camping out there. I've never experienced that. Thankfully, that would have. That would freak me out. That would probably keep me outside of the woods for a while if I heard that. But this, I mean, yeah, it was pretty freaky. And it's kind of a bummer that we didn't get to see, like, an entire silhouette body. It was more so like just being able to see the Legs in the, in the grass. Because under night vision, that comes up a lot lighter than tree foliage. And then like, imagine like during the daytime. You know how during the daytime in the Pacific Northwest there can be tree foil it or tree groups of trees that are so close together and so thick that the sun can't even get through them. Like they're almost, I won't say pitch black, but it looks like nighttime in there during the day just because it's blocking out the sun. So like, imagine at nighttime, like, and there's barely any moonlight. So I mean, the only very little bit amount of moonlight that could. It's hard to explain. I'm sorry, dude.
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Host Robert
Yeah, no, you don't have to explain it. I completely get it. I have a night vision camera, and mine has an IR light that I can press to kind of light everything up. But without that and the starlight, that's the reason why you could actually see the legs in the grass as it was running by, because there's no obstruction. And a lot of times the grass will reflect light. So you'll be able to see about a foot up from the grass. I know exactly why you weren't able to see the whole thing. And I've experienced that with my. And mine's not even military, but I've experienced that before to where you can kind of see in the grass. But if you go into the wood line, good luck. You're not gonna. Without an IR light, you're not gonna be able to see anything.
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Guest Adam
You know.
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Host Robert
After all this happened, did you and your friends ever talk about this again?
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Guest Adam
We would, like, amongst ourselves, we never really told anybody, like, higher about it. I mean, we would chit chat about like, weird stuff we've seen all the time, but never like, oh, like an official report or anything like that. If we did. I mean, if you. I mean, in the infantry, there's a. There's a ton of weird dudes that say weird stuff all the time. But if you kept talking about it, they would. I mean, you'd get written off as like a crazy dude. Especially if the, the LT that we were with or platoon leader, if he told his, his commander, which was company commander, or further up, the fact that he's like, saying like, stuff that most people would believe to be like, crazy. It would be worse for him. For us lower enlisted guys, we'd just be written off as like, all right, dude, you're weird. But for officers, it'd be like more of an issue. But so like the, the military, a lot of people don't think about like, how like the places we go within the United States are pretty desolate and they kind of have to be. So that way we have room to do our training with all our vehicles and like artillery and helicopters, like all that kind of stuff. So I mean, the places we go to, sometimes not the Fort Lewis area, but in other parts of the country are the size of like east coast states. Really like the Mojave Desert over in NTC for urban area. I mean that it's a massive place. There's nobody out there. Same with 29 palms. Hawaii has thick jungle. I don't believe Sasquatch is in Hawaii. But just like as an example, like the military is full of like weird stories of paranormal or Sasquatch. I mean, I know that there are a ton of stories from soldiers from the Fort Lewis area of like Sasquatch sightings. More like especially decades ago, like in the 70s and 80s when these towns weren't as big as what they are now. I mean there was literally, it was very, it was a very like rural country area. Now it's very urbanized with like subdivisions everywhere. We always get sent to places where like, nobody's at. You're truly like in the middle of nowhere.
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Host Robert
Yeah. And I say this every time, but that's what really amazes me about the military or the government that they don't look into this. I mean, I get why if you're in the military, why you don't want to talk about this, you don't want to ruin your career and that sort of thing. But Fort Lewis in particular, man, decades of people coming forward that have had run ins with Sasquatch on the military reservation out there. And I'm talking about like veterans, high ranking guys that are way up on the food chain. I've had on the show that have shared encounters from 3,000, 40, 50 years ago and even up until this day happens all the time. And you would think the military or the government would take interest or take note of it privately anyway, but they don't really seem to be.
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Guest Adam
Yeah, I mean if they do, they're not telling us. My dad, he was a, a pilot when he was stationed out there in Fort Lewis. A Kiowa pilot. And I mean they have IR on their helicopters and they fly with night vision all the time. And they would, I mean they would fly around the Fort Lewis training areas, but they would also like go up the peninsula, go out towards Rainier. I'm like, I'm sure, like other listeners in the Washington area maybe an hour or two out have seen like military helicopters flying around like the, the forest out there. And he would tell me that he would see like there would be like no roads because you would see a road lit up at nighttime. There would be no roads, no. No towns, no nothing. And he said he would see like, like people out there. But it's like what, what are they? I mean they could have been hikers or campers, but the fact that like there's nothing else out there and there's just some random person out there at night time, I don't know if you saw hikers or. What he saw was maybe Sasquatch. But he like later on in life I've talked to him and he's, he's a believer. He would go out into those woods alone A lot of the time when I'd be in school or, or whatnot. He would go out there and hunt or hike or scout out new locations for us to hunt and hike. And he would tell me that he would hear like chirps, like little whoops or just like, just weird feelings like you're being watched by something. And I mean he's, he. I'm sure he has stories about like screams, chirps. One time we were out there when I was a kid, and not the Fort Lewis area, but like if you keep going past like Yelm towards like, like Douche Falls or Douchette Falls park, there's. There's like all these like logging fields that like you, you turn out on, on a, like a dirt road. And like all of a sudden it's like acres of like chopped down trees. So we would go camping out like in that area. And one time we were like in this little cut off from the main road that went down. It looked like it was like a turnaround point for these logging trucks because it was just like a grass trail that just ended in the woods. Like it, it led to nowhere. So we decided to camp out there. But prior to that we had hiked around and checked out like this, this, this field, the side of the hill that was completely logged and we were shooting clays, just like looking around, just like logging equipment still sitting out there. So we come back to the hiking spot and it's like nighttime now. It's like me, my dad, my stepmother at the time, and this dog. We had this bull mastiff. And then we're just sitting around the campfire just talking and I don't know, we hear like coyotes, but like they're not like, you know how you hear Coyotes, like, talking to each other as they're, like, running through the woods or in the field. Like, they're just, like chirping at each other. This sounded like the coyotes were, like, fighting something, like they were like, screaming, like that yelp when a dog gets hurt. We could hear that. I mean, this logging field was. Wasn't too far away from us. And we could hear them out there, like, screaming and like. Like they were either attacking something or something was attacking them, or they were. They were fighting something. But the sounds just eventually ended and maybe like 30 minutes later where this dirt road cut off into this little outcropping that we were. That we were camping in. My dog just, like, starts going ballistic at the end of this trail, like, barking at it for, like, I mean, I don't know how long it was because it was so long ago, but it was, it was for a good while that my dog was just standing there, just barking at the entrance of this trail we were at. So whatever, like, was out there, like, wouldn't move. It just kept. My assumption is that thing was at the end of the trail just staring down at us. And my dog was just barking, going crazy, going crazy. And we had no way to see what was down there. We didn't have flashlights that were big enough so we could. We had no way to see what was down there. But I mean, it's a long, you know, it's towards Mount Rainier. And I mean, those coyotes weren't. They weren't just talking to each other. They were like, fighting, beating up something or something was beating them up. And after that incident, whatever. Whatever was probably dealing with those coyotes was probably at the end of that trail, like, looking at us.
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Host Robert
Yeah, that is creepy. Especially hearing the coyotes and then kind of the way your dog was reacting. You know, a coyote isn't hard to take down a group of coyotes, which is generally how they show up is a different story. And I always say, watch your dog. Your dog will generally tell you when they. These things are around, dogs will react in one of two ways. Either they'll kind of get down in a submissive position and whine, or want to find a place to hide. Or like your dog, they'll bark, but they're not going to go after it. They'll stand their ground and bark. You know, if it would have been a normal animal, you think it would have taken off. Especially hearing, you know, humans and dogs and black bears and cougars are big and bad, but generally speaking, they really want nothing to do with us. And that's about the only thing we have here. You know, I ask everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch is? What's your take?
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Guest Adam
I used to, when I was younger, I believed it was like some. Some animal that, like, hadn't gone extinct. And then I went through a phase where I thought it was maybe something paranormal, like, just due to the fact that we can't find it, we can't, like, capture it or anything like that. I was like, it has to be something paranormal if we can't, like, actually, like, physically document it. But then I heard stories of, like, native tribes, like modern natives, like, along the Columbus river between Oregon and Portland that, like, have, like, have like, the bones of it. I'm not sure, but as I get older, I. I kind of believe it. I go back to believing it's like some animal, some creature that's, like, probably on the edge of extinction. And they're very. There isn't very many of them. I think that they don't reproduce very fast just due to, like, their numbers just not growing. I mean, there's plenty of food out there for them. They're, like, obviously, like, experts of their environment. I mean, they're. They're hard to hear that. I mean, they. They know their environment like, like crazy. So I do believe that it's just some old creature that just hasn't gone extinct yet.
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Host Robert
Yeah, and you could be right. I really want you to be right. You know, even some animals have kind of human, like, characteristics. If you ever watch, like, gorillas and chimps play, there's a lot of things that they do where you're like, wow, that looks like something a little kid would do or, you know, a human would do. So you're thinking more of an animal than really anything human. Like, I would.
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Guest Adam
It's hard to Maybe human. I would lean more towards more human. Because there are stories of them, like, interacting with Native Americans. Just the fact that, like, they can use, you know, tools. I mean, they. They're able to grab stuff and, like, build stuff. Like, the stories of them building, like, little. Not forts, but shelters with sticks and, like, breaking limbs off of trees. I haven't heard that. I haven't seen that. But, like, I hear stories of that. I think they're probably, like, maybe somewhere along the, like, the genome of, like, humans. I don't think they're monkeys. Like, I don't think they're primates. I think they're like, just like, maybe like ancient people that used to, like, coexist with, like, the People who used to live out here before we were out here.
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Host Robert
Yeah, it could be. You know, a lot of times I'm listening to encounters, I often think, man, that sounds like something a human would do more than an animal. And I would prefer it to be some great ape we haven't caught up with. That's really what I want Sasquatch to be. But what I want is irrelevant. But even when you look at their behavior, like in your guys's situation, coming up to that striker vehicle and kind of pushing it and running its nails along the side of it, that sounds like something some creepy human would do over an animal.
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Guest Adam
Yeah, yeah. I don't really see an animal doing that. That's more like something curious, like using its hands. Most animals are just like freaked out by us. They don't want anything to do with us.
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Host Robert
Yeah, it's so true. I bet we have more cougars in Washington State than anywhere else probably on the planet. We have towns called cougar. And I bet if you ask most people in Washington, I bet the majority of people have never seen a cougar. It's because they really want nothing to do with us. And, you know, that's what really surprises me about Sasquatch on these bases. I realize that you guys have blanks, and if you fired guns before, you can tell the difference between a blank and a live round. But I wouldn't imagine that these creatures know that. Or for that matter, any animal out there that knows that. You know, I've talked to guys on bases that have run into these things, especially for Lewis, and they've opened up and they know they're shooting blanks. They're not going to shoot anything. They're just making a bunch of noise. And you think Sasquatch would flee, but I will say most of the time they don't. I remember I had this one guy on the show, he's very high up now in the military. He's retired now, but he was talking about how they were doing. I don't remember what they were shooting. They were shooting something. I did a whole show on it. I want to say it was mortar fire, but it was live fire and it was during the day. And there's a huge group of people out there and they're doing this mortar training. One of these things downrange goes running across the little field that they're shooting at. And the guy had to shut down the whole training exercise. And everyone saw it, everyone knew it wasn't a human. You would think that would scare them off you know, no bears in the area, no cougars in the area, but these things hang around. It's strange. Man. I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and share what happened to you, and thank you again for your service and your time coming on. I really enjoyed chatting with you.
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Guest Adam
Yeah, no problem. I hope it was interesting, you know, for the listeners. And I want to make my way back out there someday. Maybe I'll be passing through. I want to. That area you're able to drive out there, there's no fence that's stopping you from getting to this area that I was at. I want to go back out there and see if I can hear it again or, you know, see something. I used to work on towers out in the Pacific Northwest, so, like, a lot of the job sites were out in the mountains, and you'd have to drive for like an hour or two off a main road just to get out to the tower that's just out there. And we would be at the top, you know, working. And during downtime while we were up there, I would look out into the tree line, see if I could see anything or hear anything. And I never saw anything again. But, like, now that I'm older, I think I want to see one again. I'm less scared of it now. I don't think they're, like, inherently, like, aggressive towards us, at least on the West Coast. I don't think they're, like. I don't think they're as aggressive because they have more space to, like, move around. I mean, they have giant swath of mountains and woods and tons of rivers and ponds to, like, feed from and live. So I don't think they're as, like, stressed out as, like, you know, stories you hear from, like, the Midwest or the east coast, where they just don't have as much space.
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Host Robert
Yeah, I would agree with you. I think. I'm not so sure. I would test that theory because I think that they all can be vulnerable, very aggressive. The real question is, are they going to kill you? And, you know, I think most of the time they're probably not. But I think they can be aggressive to the point to where you think they're going to. Definitely be careful if you go looking again. And thank you again for coming on.
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Guest Adam
No problem.
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Host Robert
And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is wesasquatchchronicles.com and if you get a chance, check out sasquatch chronicles.com you can become a member and get additional shows until next time, everyone.
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Guest Adam
I will some tone go alone the.
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Host Robert
Lights on maybe you should know that you gone with the lights on this.
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Guest Adam
Is my home Place your eye memories.
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Host Robert
Of you dear until your eyes close at the sky I'll miss my bright memories of you De I saw moon as a human inviter.
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Guest Adam
The lights on.
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Host Robert
Something a quieter with the lights on this is my home.
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Guest Adam
Memories of you.
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Host Robert
Dear Untin your eyes close up the sky I miss my memories of you De.
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Guest Adam
Sa. Memories of you. Ram. Sa.