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It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. And it either heard me or smelt me. And he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up. And that.
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That shocked me.
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They don't make people that. That big. The way moved almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language. And they were chuntering away, back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like. And there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. 911, what are you reporting? Jesus Christ. You better see ya.
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B
Hello.
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Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir. That son of a bitch is about six foot nine. I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh oh.
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Hi, this is Jules, Lily and Pearl from St. Diego.
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And you're listening to the best podcast in the galaxy, Sasquatch Chronicles.
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B
Welcome to the show. Tonight we'll be chatting with Tex. And tex had a YouTube channel called Texas Front Porch. Used to interview eyewitnesses and bigfoot researchers, that sort of thing. I know he's kind of redoing his YouTube channel now. It's Text after Dark, true crime and unexplained. And I'll include a link. Text does a pretty good job. And over the years I've known about Tex and I've actually wanted to have him on the show. I was talking to Brent from the Paranormal Portal and he was like, man, you gotta have Tex on. You gotta hear his dogman encounter when he was a teenager and he didn't know what this thing was that he had actually run into. And many years later he started really looking into Dogman Sasquatch. And so I'm excited to have him on tonight. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is wessasquatchchronicles.com and if you get a chance, check out sasquatch chronicles.com you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Tex to the show. Tex, thanks for coming on.
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Hey man, I wouldn't miss this for the world. It's been a long time coming.
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I appreciate it. Tax. I've been a fan for, for several years and I was saying there in the intro, Brent from the Paranormal Portal was like, you gotta have Text on. You gotta hear the Dogman Encounter. So I thought we'd kind of start there. I know you have your YouTube channel again for the audience. It used to be Texas Front Porch, and now it's Text After Dark, True Crime and Unexplained. And I'll include a link underneath this episode. But if you would. Would you start with the Dogman Encounter? When did this happen? If you would just kind of start from the beginning.
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I was 16 years old when it happened. And it's one of those stories where you have to tell what happened and then go back because there's more of a backstory than just the encounter. Okay. Because evidently the critter had been around the area for a while. And I didn't know. I didn't even know what they were at that time. But what happened? When I had the sighting, I was coming in from hunting. It was in north central Texas, about an hour outside of Fort Worth. So I'm walking home. I had this place that I love to hunt. And it was about a mile from the house. And I was walking up the gravel road, had a couple of rabbits hanging on my belt and my little.410 shotgun with me, no ammunition, you know. And I was just about to cross over our fence and make and just beeline across the pasture to the house, right? Cause we had 20 acres out there and was just about to do that. And this critter come out of the left on my left side and out of the brush just full speed and ran across the road in front of me about 25, 30ft away and dove over. And I've got an image that sprose in my head. I draw it whenever I have to draw this encounter. This is the part that I draw. He's in mid stride right in front of me. He turns his head and he kind of snarls at me. And he never broke stride. Continues on and dove over our barbed wire fence. Didn't jump over it. He dove over it. And when he dove over it and he hit the other side, he went down to all fours real smooth and went into what we call love grass up here or down here, and it grows about three feet high. And he went into that grass, and I saw the grass move for about, I don't know, 10, 15 yards. And then he was gone. At that point, I had a decision to make, right? I could either follow him into the tall grass or I could take the long way home. Well, my ass wasn't going to the grass with him. It ain't going to happen. Right. And so I took the long way home, and I remember the most of the. Most of the walk home is a. Is a blur, right? Except I remember specifically turning the first corner, and I remember thinking. Because my whole thought process was taking the road was if I seem maybe I can at least defend myself a little bit, you know, or whatever, he comes after me, I mean. But honestly, this thing had wanted me, there wouldn't have been nothing I could do about it. But anyway, so that was the thought process. So I'm turning the first corner, and I look down at my shotgun, and I'm thinking, I ain't got no ammo for this. And it's just a little 410. I'm not going to do nothing but piss it off, even if I had ammo. But I remember thinking that, like I said, the rest of the walk is a blur. And I got to the house, and we lived in a trailer at the time, and my sister lived next door to us, about 30 yards away, something like that. And I walked into the back door and walked into the kitchen and pretty much just collapsed into a kitchen chair and I set my gun on the table. Well, that was a big freaking no. No, in my house, you did not bring guns in the kitchen. You know, it's like I always say, if that ain't country, I'll kiss your ass. Right?
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Yeah.
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So anyway, I, you know, just flopped down into the. In the kitchen chair at the table, and I put my gun on the table. My mom was in the kitchen, and I can't remember what she was doing. She was doing dishes or cooking or whatever. Clean it, I don't know. But she turned around, and I think she was fixing to scold me, you know, what are you doing with that gun in the kitchen? You know? But she just. When she saw me, she didn't say anything. She just looked at me and she goes, what in the world is wrong with you? You're white as a ghost. And I remember this. And it's weird because I remember this, but I was. I was in shock because I tried to tell her what had happened. And it's not that I. It's not like I was stumbling over my words. I literally could not speak. So she panicked. She calls my sister. My sister comes over. They sit down with me, and it took them better part of an hour to calm me down enough where I could talk and tell them what had happened. And they didn't try to tell me I was crazy. They didn't try to, you know, tell me, you know, I was lying or anything like that. But they did try to maybe justify what I saw, if that makes sense, you know, well, maybe you saw this and, you know, you got scared and, you know, that type of thing. But I stuck to my guns. And they were like, well, you know, so in that aspect, and I've always said in that aspect, I was very, very blessed and lucky because they didn't have reaction that most people have. I mean, you've been through it, I've been through it. You get drugged over the coals, you know, told you crazy, told you're lying, you know, whatever. But that didn't happen. So over the course of the years, like I said, I stuck to my guns. I stuck to my story, to the point to where we gave it a damn nickname, okay? And I think it was just my way of kind of have. Trying to cope with it, you know, make it, I don't know, more human or more. Less threatening. I named it Fred. So every once in a while. Now, don't get me wrong, and this will come up here in a minute, but after I started going back out and doing what I was doing, and I would come back home every once in a while, you know, I'd come back and we'd be sitting around dinner table and somebody go, oh, did you see Fred? I'm like, no. I think. But this did. It really set me back on my heels. And you've talked to thousands of people. I've talked to hundreds of people. You know, one of the big things that we hear so much is that I'll never go in the woods again, you know, or I'll never go hunting again. I'll never go fishing again today, you know, today's text. It breaks my heart to hear that stuff. Okay, because you've been, you know, if you've been roaming around the woods most of your life, and then all of a sudden you're scared to even go out the front door, you know, that's taken something away that you love to do, you know. But this did. This experience did set me back on my heels almost a year. And I wouldn't. I was. For the first time since I was a little bitty kid, I was scared of the dark. And if I had to go. If I had to go, you know, down in the barn to do something, you know, whatever, or go even go over to my sister's house, and it was dark. It was at a dead run. If I had to go down to the barn, I was loaded for bear, and it was a short trip.
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Yeah, I don't blame you. I would have gone down there armed to the teeth as well. How far away from you was it, Tex? And if you would, would you describe what you saw?
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Oh, absolutely. Like I said, it was only 25 to 30ft away. So it was, this was up close and personal. You know, it was anywhere from six and a half to probably seven feet tall. You know, it could have been a little taller. It wasn't big and burly. It was built more. The way I describe it is a lot, like a lot of people describe the Sasquatch down here in the South. They're built like an NBA player. They're not, you know, the big burly Ohio Grassman or Pacific Northwest type. This had kind of the same build, but it would, had a, it had a big barrel chest and narrow hips, really good sized thighs. One thing that I think, I think a lot of people are misidentifying this because what I saw didn't have backward facing legs, but this thing was up on its toes and the heel was really long and narrow, so that brings it off the ground. So I think a lot of people may, when they see that, they think, you know, backwards facing leg, you know, whatever, dog legged. But I don't think that's the case. But it was, it was the, the hair on it was, it wasn't thick, okay. It was thin, real thin hair. You could see the skin underneath which kind of was a light charcoal dark ash color. And I remember it being, I remember it being like wrinkled like, like as I get older, you get kind of that crepe skin thing going and you have to moisturize. That's kind of what it reminded me of. But the hair on it was, it was black and it had some, some salt in it, you know, so I call it salt and pepper, but mainly pepper. But like I said, it was thin, you know, and it was long because the hair hung down off the forearms probably 4 inches and off its cheeks and its jaws. It almost had like a, If I, if I was to have a real thin stringy beard, it was about this length, the same length as my beard, about six inches. And the snout, it wasn't like the pointed wolf snout that you hear about a lot. It was short and it was blunt. Okay. Kind of like a. Some people call it a pit bull. Like to me it was more St. Bernardish. The eyes, the eyes. And that's what's weird too. I hear so many people tell me that. Oh, well, mine had, it had yellow eyes, it had red eyes. It had gold eyes. It had this, the one I saw, brown eyes, just like a doll, okay? It wasn't nothing special about it. It didn't have a mouth and gnarly looking teeth. It was just canine teeth. The ears were different than what you hear a lot too, because you hear a lot about the ears sitting way up on the head and being pointed, you know, this wasn't like that. The ears were set lower on the head, almost even with the eyes, but they were. He had them pinned back like, you know. You know, when you got a horse or a dog that's upset, they'll pin the mirrors back same way. He had a mane, and this is where his hair or fur got thick. He had a mane that started where a hairline would start right on his head. And as it went down, it was long and it was wavy and it was thick and it went across his shoulders, but then it went down to a V down in his back. Okay? One of the, one of the things that really, really said canine to me, I mean, all this is canine, okay? Everything we talked about. But this really stuck in my head because, you know, being just an old country boy, you know, you hope you. You hear all these wives tales, you know, and some of them are true. You know, if you see a halo around the moon, it's going to rain within three days. I've seen, I have yet for that to be wrong. But, you know, you hang a snake upside down over a barbed wire fence if you want it to rain. You know, all those kind of things. But one of the wives tales that was, I was always told, if you want a smart dog, you get one with black in his mouth, okay? And this creature had pink and black model tongue and gums. I remember that. And I'm like, if not honestly, you could have told me this thing was probably an offshoot of Sasquatch and I'd have probably bought it. But for that, for some reason, that did it for me. That was that line in the sand for me. I remember like one of the first times that I was describing it, you know, in the family, and the first time I really said it out loud kind of hit me hard that it had hands, but they weren't like just human hands. And I've heard it described this way before. And it's true, the hands look like a cross between. They were human esque, but they kind of had a raccoon like thing going. The padding and stuff on, on a raccoon's hands. You know, it had that, but it Was, it was more of a human shape to them, you know, and the fingers were long and had, it had claws and they were black. Yeah. I mean it was this out. This is how I describe the encounter. It was an underwear changing moment. Okay. But yeah, that was, that was. I didn't know what to saw because honestly when this happened to me, and I'm 58, I'll be 59 next month. This happened to me when I was 16 and I can sit down and draw a picture of it today and compare it to the pictures I've drawn over the years and nothing changes except for my lack of ability to draw. But
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B
yeah, after an encounter, it haunts you, it stays with you.
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A
It does, it does. It's one of those moments in life that, good and bad, you know, we all have those moments that you will never forget. After that happened, like I said earlier, I was, for the first time since I was a little kid, I was scared in the dark. And then after a while about I GUESS it was eight, 10 months later, somewhere in that time period, I started quit being scared. I started getting mad because I felt like, I felt like I was being bullied. And I'm like, I'm not going to let this thing keep me from doing what I was doing. I love going. I was, you know, you take a country ass kid and his best friend's his dog and his horse and he got nowhere else to go, you might as well lock, you chain him to a damn tree, you know. But I don't know, it made me mad and I'm like, I'm not going to let this thing dictate what I can and can't do. And the way I got over it was I convinced myself that this thing had the opportunity to hurt me if it wanted to. And it didn't, you know, it didn't slow down. It was, it was wanting to get away from me as much as I was wanting to get away from it, you know, So I, you know, I started and I took baby steps, don't get me wrong, I go, you know, walk out in the pasture. I'd go and I'd start camping in the front yard or the backyard and I'd go camp in the pasture. Then I'd go a little further, and I'd go a little further and I started getting back to what I was doing until about a year later, I was going back out to hunt this place that I had been coming from when I saw the thing the first time. And I was just about to. It was a Patch of woods that this old man owned. He had, I think it was 12 or 1600 acres. He had about half of it done as a hay field. It was cleaned up real nice. The other half he hadn't touched. And it was really wooded, I mean, really thick. You had to travel the game trails to get through it. And then you'd be walking through there, then all of a sudden you'd come up on a clearing that just had that little 12 inch prairie grass in it, maybe a scrub oak, and you could throw a tent. And the sizes of these clearings were anywhere from pretty much you could just had room for a tent to almost the footprint of a small house. Right? Perfect. I mean, it was great. And the game was just. Man, it was a lot of game back in there. But anyway, I was just about to go over the fence because there was a tree that we hadn't sawed up yet that had fell over his fence. And I was using it. I just run up the tree and jump over the fence. And I was just about to step up on that tree and I heard what I thought was somebody walking in the woods. And I said, hey, who's out there? And it stopped and I said, hey. I said, there's somebody out there. Let me know. And it just shifted its weight or took a small step, whichever. And there was a set of twins that lived on the other side of these woods that I went to school with. And they hunted those woods and I hunted these woods. And I said, look, David, Doug, if that's one of y', all, let me know. Same thing. Shifted his weight. So now I start flashing back, right? You know, and I'm. I'm getting. I'm getting scared. I said, if that's somebody out there, you better tell me or I'm going to shoot. Well, that's probably when I did not make the smartest decision in my life. I shot a roundup in the air, and that's when all hell broke loose. This thing came charging through the brush. I mean, branches breaking, the whole nine yards. And Wes, I ain't too proud, brother. I'll tell you right now. This country boy tuck, tailored rant. I didn't look back. You know, I say all the time, but this thing was going to snatch me up. I didn't want to know about it. I don't know when he gave up chase. I don't know if he made it out of the trees. I didn't care. I ran all the way back home. Now, that little encounter right there set me back A couple of months, you know, I'm like, man, what am I dealing with here? Right? You know, But I. I started, I said, well, this thing's had two chances at me. And I use that same logic, you know, why it's not hurting me, it's scaring the hell out of me, right? But that's all it's doing. So I started going back out and I never encountered it again. But you fast forward years and years and years later, and I never talked about it. I mean, we're talking early 80s all the way through to 2015, I think 2014, maybe. When I first came out with my story, I never talked about it except to family. And we didn't really discuss it that much. And I have some very, very close friends. And one of them had an encounter that he spilled one night when we were drinking. And he was really the him and a couple other select few people were who I told about, but otherwise I didn't talk about it well. And I remember this like it was yesterday. I was at work and had some downtime and I was working nights and I'm just thumbing through YouTube and I start seeing these shows pop up. Yours was one of them. But I start seeing these shows pop up that are talking about this thing, Dogman, because I didn't know what else to call except a werewolf, right? Because the term Dogman hadn't even been coined at that point. I started looking into this and I'm like, there's people seeing the same thing that I saw. You know, I'm not by myself anymore. And I contacted this woman and we're still friends to this day. Danielle Stedman. She's got a channel, Dogman Diaries, and she's the first one I reached out to and I contacted her, we talked and I told her my story and everything. And she started what was cool about that. She started me asking me questions about maybe what was going on in the area and that type of thing. And I started putting a lot of, you know, connecting a lot of dots, really. This thing had been around for a while and I just didn't know it. About a year before my deciding, we had a dog go missing. And the only way we found him was we started smelling him while he was underneath the house. Well, I got voluntold to go pull him out from the house. And when I pulled him out, it was rough. I mean, it was rough. It looked like somebody had held him up by his front legs and just gutted him. And my dad, you know, my dad's the One that said, hey, get over and, you know, drag a dog out and we'll bury him. You know, when I pulled him out, I said, dad, what, you know, what do you think did this? You know, he said, well, he probably got into it with a bobcat or something and drug himself under the trailer. And then, you know, predators took, you know, tore him, whatever, you know, I'm like, well, and what do I know? You know, that's what dad said. Hey, dad knows more than I do, right? So that put together with what she started asking me about what went on in the area, if there was anything that kind of came up missing, that type of thing from that you hear about. And we were always hearing stories about, you know, from neighbors that, you know, an old cow drop a calf and. And either the calf would get killed or she get tore up or both of them or whatever, or, you know, old Mary drop a foal and the same thing happened. You know, some goats get killed, that type of thing, chickens, whatever. It always got blamed on one or two things. Now, we do have the occasional big cat in the area. A big cat, some of your listeners don't know. Big cats have a huge territory that they prowl in. So you, you know, if you see one, if you have one, he's just making his way through, through your area. He's not going to stick around a long time, you know, but you'd always got these missing animals or tore up animals killed, you know, whatever always got blamed on either a big cat or this mysterious pack of wild dogs that me and my friends that camped and ran those woods and that whole area never saw. We never saw this mysterious pack of wild dogs that was killing everything. So putting that together, you know, it's like, well, this thing, it was probably this critter that was doing this, you know, leaving these canine tracks or somebody didn't know the difference or whatever. You know, they might have mistaked it for a cat track. But there was one other thing that happened, and this was probably. I say. I say I never saw it again. And I'm not real sure if this is what this was. I believe it was, but I don't know. I can't, you know, I didn't get a good enough look at it. But I was at home one night, one weekend by myself. Parents went out of town. So here I am, 17, 18 years old, and it came. Just a monster freaking storm, right? And I love storms. So I'm sitting on the couch watching out the window, watching the storms out the back window. Lightning flashes. And I'm looking out towards the back of the house and I see this thing standing next to a power pole. We had a. Our back fence ran a power. A power line, right? And I see the lightning flash. And I see this thing next to this power pole. And I'm like, what was that? Lightning flashes again. And looks like somebody standing out there by the power pole. When the lightning would flash, it would change positions. And I'm like, what in the. And it's raining. Oh, my gosh. And so I'm watching this thing. I'm watching this thing. Well, again, I start having, you know, flashbacks to what this critter is. So I get really scared. I load my dad's gun, I've got it in my lap, and I call. I'll use this term loosely. A friend of mine from school, I told him, I'm like. He goes, what's up? I said, man, I've got this, I've got some. I. I didn't want to say I got a werewolf watching me, you know. I said, man, there's somebody outside the house watching me in this storm, watching the house. He goes, man, I don't know what you're smoking, but give me some of it. I ain't got time for this. And he hung up the phone. So I'm sitting, I. I go get back on the couch and I'm watching this thing, and I'm watching this thing and I finally just passed out. I woke up the next morning cradling the shotgun on the couch, you know. But I did go out because I wanted to find sign of this thing. I wanted to find out if what I was. If I was seeing something, right? Well, that didn't do me any good because all the tracks had been washed away. So I don't know what I saw that time. I think I know what I saw. One other thing that I found that she said could possibly be a kill site. Next to these woods that I hunted was a place that these people rented or leased and they kept their horses out there. They were town people, and they'd come out and they'd ride their horses and all that kind of stuff. They just packed up and freaking left. I mean, just poof, they were gone. Of course, being a nosy ass teenager, I go over there looking around and I find this almost fully intact horse skeleton. It still had hide on it, but it was mostly skeletal remains. It wasn't scattered like it should be, you know what I'm saying? For the predator, if that horse had died, that skeleton the body should have been scattered around right by predation, but it really wasn't. I mean, there was a few bones moved, don't get me wrong. But it was like you could. It was a horse, full grown horse. And she, you know, I was talking to Danielle, she said, well, that may have been a kill site. And that may have been why nothing touched it. And it could have been why they left. At that point in my life, I just thought it was cool to have a freaking horse skull in the rock garden for mom. But I mean, you put all that together, you know, what do you got? Yeah.
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You know, through the years, I always thought that people were misidentifying what they were seeing. It must be something else, because an upright canine makes no sense. You'd be hard pressed to convince a scientist that an upright canine actually exists. You'd be hard pressed to like, you know, even a dummy on the street try and sell it to him. But this is what people are seeing. And many eyewitnesses where I've questioned them, they were like, oh, no, this was canine. This was not a primate. And in some of these reports, you know, you'll get where eyewitnesses will say it had glowing eyes. It wasn't eyeshine, what they saw. Sometimes you'll talk to eyewitnesses where they'll say it was eyeshine. Other times eyewitnesses will say, no, those eyes were glowing. And I'm talking about from like a hunter who's seen eyeshine a million times so he knows what he's looking at. And they'll come back and go, no, those eyes were glowing. Which is weird because you'll also find that in Sasquatch reports. But with the dogman, sometimes eyewitnesses will say it had a tail. Other times they'll say it didn't. I've heard descriptions like what you talked about with your encounter. I've also heard descriptions of, you know, look like a German shepherd in the face or look like a Doberman pinscher. You know, Doberman pincher type ears. Why do you think that there's such a broad range in the description of the characteristics of this creature? You know, I don't even think it's a creature. I think it's probably a demon. It acts more like a demon than a wild animal the way it loves to torment people. But why do you think there's such a broad range in the descriptions?
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Well, you know, I think that's just my humble opinion. Letting a couple of bucks buy you a cup of coffee. But I think that we've got more than one phenomenon going on because there are encounters like you talked about that don't sound physical. They don't do things that a physical creature should do. The glowing red eyes. And I know I'm going to get beat up for this, and I'm sorry, folks, but I think a lot of people are misidentifying that with eyeshine, the different colored eye shine. And you can do this experiment on your own, folks. I've done it. Let your dog out in the backyard when the sun starts going down. Watch his eyes, because it doesn't take much for him to reflect. Okay. And depending on the light you're using, the ambient light that's available and the angle of his head and the color of the dog's eyes, there's a whole bunch of determining factors here will change the color of the eyeshine. The dog simply turning its head a little bit will change the color of the eyeshadow. So I think a lot of that is that can be explained away that. That way. So. But I think as far as the whole demon aspect that you said, I think there are. I mean, we've heard reports of them getting in the house, that type of thing, you know, and disappearing. And just like the, you know, we hear Sasquatch doing the same thing. I personally think we got some different phenomenon that we're dealing with. I think there's legitimate physical creatures out there, but I also think there's something else out there that may be either a lot like them are in appearance, but they're supernatural, or it's something that wants to appear like them. You know, you get me. Get me started on mind speak and all that kind of stuff. I've got a bunch of thoughts on that, but ain't nobody gonna like it.
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Yeah, I'm gonna push back for a second text because I've interviewed many, many eyewitnesses over the years. And I think if you get one person that goes, oh, yeah, those eyes were glowing. You can kind of write it off and go, well, they're probably mistaken. There's probably eyeshine is what they saw. But I'm talking about, like, from hunters who have seen these things. I remember one guy asked him, he talked about the eyes. He goes, the eyes lit up like Christmas lights. And I said, oh, it was eye shine. And he said, no, no, this wasn't eyeshine. They're lit up like Christmas lights. And I said, were they? So they were glowing. He's like, yeah, they were glowing. This guy had been hunting longer than I'd been alive. I think, you know, you can brush it off. I think one trap that a lot of researchers fall into is it didn't happen in my encounter, therefore it doesn't happen. And it's a pit a lot of people fall into. And I think there's too many people that have been reporting this eye glow. And when you really question them, you know, this guy in Texas says their eyes are glowing. Well, he must be crazy. Well, then you get a report from Pennsylvania. Well, that guy must be crazy. Then you get a report from Washington. Well, she must be crazy. None of these people know each other. At some point you got to stop and go, maybe it's crazy. I'm not listening to these people. I want to back up for a second. You had made the comment about some of them are paranormal and some of them aren't, and some of them are kind of an imposter and posing as them. What would present itself as one of these things as opposed to a normal animal? And why? Why would they do that?
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Well, is it possible? Okay, so we're going to jump into the paranormal side of things now, doing paranormal investigation. I do. When you're doing an investigation, you're picking up EVPs and that type of thing, or you run in a ghost box and it's telling, printing out words, whatever. You run into these things that say they're kids or say they're loved ones. I personally don't feel like they are. I think it's. You're tapped into something, you're communicating with something, but I don't think it's what you think it is. Evidently, the paranormal, these paranormal creatures, call them demons, whatever you want to call them, know our minds. Okay, so what if these things know our minds? They know that these creatures exist. They know that we're scared of these creatures, and that's how they're presenting themselves. I think that's a possibility. I'm not saying that's the legit reason, but I think that's a possibility. Could it be that. That there is paranormal entities that just look like these critters? It's just a coincidence? I guess. The thing about it is, and. And Jason, my dear friend Jason McQueen has a brilliant saying. He says we can't tell. We can't say what these things are because we don't know what they aren't.
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B
You know, even when the paranormal, though, comes up, people are terrified. Not because they ran into some ghost, because they ran into something very physical that could kill them. Do you think that they're natural.
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A
I think some, the physical ones and I'm going to put, I'm going to, I'm going to draw that line in sand. The physical ones, yeah, I think they're natural. I have a theory on where Dogman came from.
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B
Let me ask you before you go into that, have you ever had an encounter come to you from an eyewitness that wasn't physical? Because they all seem to be physical.
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A
All of my cryptid encounters I would say were physical. Well, when I talk about them not being physical, I'm talking about the encounters where you have, they'll see one footprint and that's it and they should have seen a lot more or they do what they call cloaking or they phase in and out or they walk into a tree or they just disappear, that type of thing. I think those creatures are not physical. I think those are some kind of supernatural paranormal entity. Okay. But everything I've crypted that I've seen, and I don't know how else to say this, but I feel that they were physical, if that makes any sense.
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B
I guess my follow up question to those eyewitnesses would be prior to you seeing it vanish, did it appear to be physical? I can tell you the answer. It's 100% of the time it's yes, it was very physical and that's part of the fear because it is physical, but it's doing something that isn't physical. I guess for me it's hard to separate the two. I don't, it's kind of hard to like put them in two different boxes. Well, these are this over here and these are this. It looks like the same creature, it's doing the same thing. A lot of the reports of the weird stuff, even when their eyes are glowing, people are terrified because what they're seeing is physical. Give me your thoughts on Dogman. Where do you think they come from? I'm very curious on your opinion.
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A
Well, it's pretty far out there, but it's also pretty grounded. I think that these things existed because there's not a ancient culture in the world that doesn't have reports of these types of creatures in their history. Spoken history or written, it doesn't matter. Thousands of years ago, right? Well, I think after the Great flood, and that's another thing that is in almost every civilization's history is some kind of flood. Okay. I think in the great Flood that most of, but not all of these things were drowned or killed, whatever. But I think there was a few that survived. And what we're seeing because if you look at the Egyptians especially and they start talking about, you start talking about the armies of dog headed soldiers, okay? And that type of thing. Even lion headed soldiers and these things were looked at as gods. They were super hyper intelligent, the whole nine yards. But then after the great flood, you don't hear that. What you do here is you start hearing these sporadic encounters, okay, what if, and this is all I'm doing, I'll just, all I'm asking is people out there to just go, just say what if? That's all I want. I'm not saying accept my word as gospel for sure. Just say what if? It's all you got to do. But what if a few of these things survive and if they're able to interbreed with either with other canines or humans or both, that what we're seeing today is a, for lack of a better term, a dumbed down version of what used to exist. They're still smart, but they're not hyper intelligent. And maybe that's why we're seeing so many different descriptions of them now. Well, I saw a picture of one that looked like a freaking schnauzer. It's what if. That's what we're seeing. If we're seeing to save their species, that they interbred with either humans or canines or both. And we're seeing that. That's my theory on where they came from. I think they were created like everything else. And I am a creationist, okay. I believe that God created all the animals and everything. And I think he did create these things, but they kind of went left. I mean there are maybe the, maybe the, the dark side had a play in it, you know, back in the day. And they never lost that. And that's where we get the whole, they just like to terrorize people. They just like to scare people, you know.
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B
Yeah. I appreciate your thoughts on attacks. And you're right. Throughout history there has been reports of these things. I think even Marco Polo talked about them. But throughout history you do find these things. And coincidentally enough, in Egypt they worship it as a God. Makes you Wonder why. But 2014 you started kind of looking into Sasquatch and you had an encounter at that point. Tell me about that.
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A
I had been in contact, you know, after I got, I was talking to Danielle, I started talking about my stuff, my encounter. I got hooked up with this old boy that had a YouTube channel and, and he invited me to go out to his research area with, with him. And I'm like, yeah, sure, why not? You know, I'd never seen a sasquatch. I believed in him. Hell, my family's from texarkana. Yeah. You know, and I think that's one reason that my family was so open to something that I saw that was weird. Because, hell, I grew up with bigfoot stories or foul monster stories before the movie came out. Like I said, I was lucky in that aspect Because I got the support that a lot of people don't get. So this guy invites me out to his research area in Oklahoma. About 8:30 in the morning, we drive up, and we drive into a hay field. And there's a hay field, and then there's a thin line of tree. A thin tree line about 10 yards thick, maybe. And then next to it, it's a wheat field. So we pull up and we park. We're going to go down in the bottoms, the floodplain down there on the red river, park my truck. We get out. I'm taking in the lay of the land Because I don't want to get down in these damn bottoms, get turned around. And for me, this is just a walk in the woods. I don't expect to see anything. I mean, they're rare. And he's over here getting his cameras and stuff together along the side of the truck. And I'm looking through this tree line into this wheat field, Just looking around. And this thing stands up in the middle of this wheat field. I could see him from out the waist up. He looks like he's. He looks both ways, like he's fixing across the damn street. And then takes off running down to the bottoms. And like I said, I could see him from about the waist up. He's about 50 yards away. But I could see him from about the waist up until he hit the fire break. And then I caught a couple of steps head to toe. Didn't pick out any real definition, you know, because I was looked like. I said, I'm seeing this through a tree line. But I could make out that he was, again, built more like an NBA player than anything else. And he had a round head and just jet black hair, like he. Well groomed, you know. And my exact words were, I'll be damned. There goes one right there. And he's like, what? I'm like, yeah, he just ran off down there. And he said I was the third one. Third person he'd had out there that seen that one he hadn't got seen yet. So one thing that we did, we went over and measured the wheat. Okay. On average, it's about 4ft high. And I saw this thing from the waist up. So this thing was every bit of 8 foot tall. So we continued down into the bottoms and went down and took a left which would cross the path that he was running. And we start walking down through the bottoms and we start hearing these footsteps up on the ridge on our left. And then we'll hear either. Well, I don't know what he was doing. He's either wood knocking or, you know, popping his mouth. I think they do both. And then we'll walk another hundred yards and we'll hear a couple of footsteps and we'll hear another pop. We think what he was doing is he was pushing like a family group in front of us so we wouldn't walk up on them because he was track. He, you know, he was paralleling us. You know, we never saw him again. But yeah, that was my first. That was my first Bigfoot sighting. First time I ever went out looking for him, you know, I mean, and I was hooked. I started going. I started going out there a lot and started having a lot more encounters because I was doing something that not very many people do. I'm not going to sit here and try to tell you I'm a superman or anything else, probably more, you know, it's fine line between bravery and stupidity. And I've jumped that fence a lot, you know, but I would go out there by myself because that's what I was used to doing, you know, growing up. That's what I just, I did a lot of solo stuff. So I would go out there and spend nights at a time by myself and I started having these encounters and we're all sightings, you know, just weird stuff happening, you know, and hearing stuff and, you know, catch a glimpse of something else, get a rock thrown at you every now and then, that type of thing.
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B
You know, you were pretty young when you ran into Dogman, but here you are many years later. What have you learned over the, like the last 10 or 12 years of looking for these things? And what has kind of surprised you,
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A
you know, one, these things ain't evil serial killer and varmints that want to snatch you up? I've been, I've been pretty much nose to nose with these critters and they've never tried to hurt me. Okay. And odds are folks, if you've ever been camping out in a state park, national park or heavy wooded area next to some good water, they've been around just because you happen to glimpse one that goes back to what we saw earlier, you know, people being scared to go out again. If you just happen to get a glimpse of one, you just happen to see them when they're screwing up, you know, or they want you to see them. One of the two, I think that's why we see them. But they've been there all the time. Ain't nothing going to change just because you saw one. I don't think they're dumb animals. They're very intelligence and intelligent, and I put them right up there as far as intelligence level. And I get beat up a lot for this. But that's mainly because people don't understand what I compare them to. If they did their research, they would probably agree with me. But I put them right up there with killer whales. As far as an intelligence level, you got killer whales that, you know, a pod will come in from another part of the world and they will teach hunting techniques. They will strategically plan a hunt. You know, if you don't believe me, go look at the two whales that washed the seal off of the piece of ice and coordinated it. Look at the recent attacks by killer whales on boats that's been happening here lately. You know, it's escalating. When they first started happening, it was the pod was setting back, the adults were sitting back watching, and these were juveniles attacking these small boats. And the adults were just sit back and watch. Now you started hearing bigger boats getting attacked by bigger pods. 40 whales in these pods. Then you've got, you know, the. The female that Macau that had a calf and it died. She pushed it around grieving for weeks. So I do think that these things are comparable. And as far as intelligence goes, I don't think they. Well, okay, there's a caveat to this. I don't think most of them want to hurt us. Now, if you go back in, in the first nations, people, legends, there's all different kinds of interactions with these creatures, with these Sasquatch creatures, good ones and bad ones. Right. Well, you've got a troop that, you know, never had a problem with humans, and, you know, they may have traded with them, they may have just, you know, lived side by side with them, whatever. But if you've got a troop that, you know, Grandpa Bigfoot was shot in the ass, you know, back in the day, and he raised his families up to be not so nice to humans. Well, you know, you've got a problem. And I think they're as different as you and I. And I think that. And I use this. I use this analogy a lot. So if you Go down. Let's say, let's say, let's say you go down to the Amazon, Wes. Okay, you're in your little boat and you're cruising down the Amazon river, right? And you see a little village. You pull up, you know, never been contacted, whatever, and you pull up and you're. Oh man, you're treated like a God. You know, they feast out in front of you, welcome you, treat you good and all this kind of stuff. You say your goodbyes, you get in your little boat and you tootle them downstream. You go about 10 more miles and you see another little village. You pull up and you end up being the feast. Okay, I think they're as different as that.
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B
Yeah, I understand the analogies you're giving. Where would you put them in the family tree?
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A
Why did you ask? Okay, so in 2023, we were out investigating in Oklahoma. And there's a cemetery that sits in our investigation area. Cemetery that sits up on a hill off in the woods about 100 yards. Okay. And we'll go up there and we'll. We've had bigfoot encounters up there. We've had paranormal encounters up there. It's just a hot spot. And I was actually doing a live show from there by myself up in the cemetery at, I don't know, 9, 10, 11 o' clock at night. I don't know what time. And my safety team was parked at the bottom of the cemetery. There was, there was, I call him Ranger. And his son was down there. My truck was there, his truck was there and they were, they were sitting in their truck and you know, and my phone goes dead after about two hours. Well, they haul ass to get up there and get me, right. Make sure I'm okay. It took us about 30 minutes to get back. You know, we, we hooked up and then we, you know, talked and stuff and we walked back down the trucks about 30 minutes, 30, 45 minutes. When they bailed out of the truck. They bailed out so fast, they left the keys in the truck. They let the truck unlock. Thousands of dollars of equipment in the bed of the truck. A bear proof yeti cooler that was latched and the tailgate was closed. We came back down and we noticed handprints on our trucks. And we start looking at them and they're not, they don't look right. They're. They're human like, but they're not human. And none of them are above the rail of the truck bed. And they're all reaching up. So we what. And we, we think we identified Three separate sets of prints. And so whatever these things were, they were squatted down, walking around in trucks, or they were that short. I don't know which. Okay. And I've got one good, good print, really good print. And if you want me to, I'll send it to you. You can put it up later or whatever. But if you'll go on my channel and I'll make sure that there's. It's available because I'm. I'm. My channel's under construction. I'm rebranded, but I will be back in March. But there is one print that is just excellent. And it's not just. It's not just a handprint. It's a hand print, a forearm print, and an elbow print. Like, yeah, my truck. It's such a good print that you can see where the hair was on the forearm, you can see the chicken skin on the elbow, and you can see the dermal ridges from the fingerprints. Now, that's important because I took these fingerprints to law enforcement. I took them to wildlife experts, and they all told me the same thing. I don't know what they are, but they're not human. Chester Moore is. Is one of them. That. That and I. Chester's appearance here's a lot of weight with me. He's. He's very. You know, he's very scientific as an approach, and. And he's very skeptical on evidence and everything, you know, but he's not critical. Like I said, he's just very, very straightforward and stuff in what he thinks. And he will not BS you. He will tell you exactly what he thinks, and he's just packed full of knowledge. Anyway, these fingerprint ridges, now, every human fingerprint, without fail, swirl, okay? These go straight across, horizontal. And we were excited. We're like a bunch of little kids. We have found something. You know, we found this. This is. This is one of the things that everybody's been looking for. Proof, right? Well, not only that, but the tailgate was down. The cooler had been unlatched and closed, but not relaxed. And there was water and ice dripped out of the cooler, like something had scooped its hand in and taken the drink. Okay? There was two handprints on the top of his cab, on the edge of the top of his cab, and they were just side by side, and they had ice or water drip down in between them. If you've ever had a beard, if you scoop your hands up and you get a drink of water, water drips out of your beard. That's what it looked like. Now, a few Months ago, I'm dinking around online, you know, just looking at stuff, and I came across an article out of France, and they had found a cave painting. And they were excited about it because there was a thumbprint that had been left on the cave painting. They dated this thing to 48,000 years ago. And they're saying they're calling this a Neanderthal thumbprint. If you take that thumbprint, compare it to the one I pulled off my truck, they're almost identical. I'm not saying it was Bigfoot, okay, Because I didn't see it. What I am saying is something 48,000 years ago left a thumbprint on that's not normal human that they're calling Neanderthal on a cave. And in 20, 23, something with enough DNA in it to leave the same kind of fingerprint. Left a damn fingerprint on my truck in Oklahoma.
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B
US Yeah, I've seen that before. The actual fingerprint is different from a human fingerprint. Were they greasy at all the prints that you captured?
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A
They were the really good one looked like that they had been because, okay, where our trucks were parked, it's a white gravel caliche road, okay? You know, that stuff, dust gets all over everything. It will turn the brush, you know, the bush white. You know, on the sides of. On the other side of the road, there's a set of springs that bubble up right there where we park our trucks, and it runs directly underneath the cemetery. That's a whole new ball of wax right there. But it's a cold water freshwater spring. And it runs across under the road and makes a marsh on the other side of the road. And what I think is these critters were hiding on the other side of the road in that dadgum marsh, maybe catching frogs or whatever. I don't know, saw us messing around up there, saw these guys take off and said, oh, let's go look at the trucks. And I think that this one that left this really good print had been in the water and got caliche all over him. And that's what it looked like. It's dirtier than my truck, you know, and we've been there for two or three days. So, you know, you know, I get asked a lot about, oh, well, what about footprints? What is, you know, 11 o' clock at night? We're trouncing around. We didn't even. We didn't even think about it until we saw the fingerprints. And then we're like, you know, we probably, you know, messed up anything we wanted to, so. Or we would we'd want to look at. But we pulled another handprint a few months later off of another guy's truck that was with us in another area. And it was a big, it was a big handprint. We got it in the freezer, bagged up in the freezer, wanting to send it off for DNA.
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B
So, yeah, that is interesting. You know, I wanted to ask you with your YouTube channel, Texas Front Porch, are you still, I know you're rebranding it, but are you still going to do Sasquatch and Cryptids and that sort of thing?
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A
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just not focusing on it like I was. I'm still going to continue to go out in the field and everything. We've got an ongoing private investigation we've been doing for a few years now. We've come to call the place Dogman Ranch. They've identified five different dog men out there. We've seen them, we've seen tracks, and we're continuing to. I had my first, and I don't know what to make of this, but I had my first pale crawler experience out there.
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B
Yeah, I want to save that for part two. I'm sure everyone in the audience just now hates my guts, but I have a lot of questions about that Dogman Ranch. And I know we're doing a part two, so let's save that for, for part two. I want to ask you. I know that you're a paranormal investigator and I'm curious what drives you to. To be a paranormal investigator? I guess for me, I have no ambition to speak to spirits that are liars and pretend to be dead or dead relatives or whatever. Unless your title is the Creator, I really have no ambition to speak to you. But what drives you to do that? And has there ever been a moment where you've been terrified doing it?
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A
You know, as far as the paranormal side of things? No. And I, I. You can call me cocksure, you can call me arrogant, you can call me confident, whatever you want to do, but I firmly, I'm set firmly in my faith and I'm kind of a antagonist when it comes to paranormal stuff because I like to call these things out, you know, bring it, you know, type thing. As far as the paranormal side of things, no, I've never been frightened. I've only, in fact, the only time even Cryptid investigations, I've only felt the need to draw a weapon one time. I think honestly, running into the Dogman back when I was 16 tempered me for what I'm doing now because I've ran across the scariest thing out there. I mean, come on, you know, that's the way I look at it. And plus, I still. I still have that thing, that same thought process of hell. These things have had all kinds of chances at me and they ain't hurt me, you know, Will the day. Will the day come where I have a bear attack or a cat attack that kills me, you know? Yeah, it's possible. But now I can get killed walking down the street. Why not? If I'm going to go out, you know, And I've always said I'm going to go out of this world just like I came in, butt naked, kicking and screaming, you know, so have you
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B
ever been out there in an investigation and it, it was just creepy? It was just a creepy situation. And would you share it with us?
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A
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You want a creepy experience? Well, there were five of us and we were going up through the. There was a paranormal team, a mother and daughter paranormal team. Fantastic people. They've retired from. They're not doing it anymore. They were kind of. When I was green and getting into the paranormal side of things, they were pretty much my mentors. Okay. And they wanted to go up to the cemetery. Well, they had been up to the cemetery. They made a trip up there. They didn't know what it was about. They just thought it was a cemetery. And they went up there by themselves, these two girls, and caught something on camera that I. I broke the video down and I don't know what they caught and call it a shadow person if you want, but something materializes out of a tree, takes form and turns around and walks off. It looks like a damn jawa from Star wars is what it looks like. But anyway, I said, do not go up there by yourself. And they were hearing puppies whining off in the trees. And I'm like. And they were like. We started to go look for them, but we changed our mind, thank God. Getting back to the paranormal stuff. Before I get to the experience, I want to say this, I think, and one of my partners and my investigative partners and one of my co hosts is Monica Rollins. She's very knowledgeable in the fae. And I think a lot of what we're experiencing out there is what we used to refer to as the fae. And we've just slapped different labels on it. But that being said, getting to the experience, there was five of us. It was me, the girls, and I call him Pops, Gary Spikes Senior and his son. And so we go up to the cemetery. Well, Amy which was the mother. Her. Her husband was there, but he had parked down at the bottom of the cemetery beside my truck and was just. You know, he. He was going to sit this one out. Well, earlier in the night back at camp. He's a big old boy. I mean, he makes me look small. But Junior had. Had made the comment, damn, he's a beast. Okay, now that comes into play. Okay, now, my truck is gray. And I named my truck Grace. And I named her after a serial killer's last victim that I wholeheartedly believe reached beyond the grave and gotten caught. Okay? And that's Albert Fish. So we're up there, we start our investigation. I walk off with the girls, Junior and senior. They're about 30 yards away, and they're doing their own thing. It's dark. The first thing that happens is if you've ever done a good shoulder and arm workout, you know, you get that flushed feeling, you know, and it almost feels like you're still lifting and stuff. You get that burn, that last little bit. The first thing that happened was I started getting that feeling, and I'm like, man, what is going on? And I started talking to Amy and Laney about it. They were like, well, it may be something trying to attach itself to you. And I just went, get off me like that. And it quit. So we're walking around. They've got one of these ghost boxes that. It doesn't talk to you. It just prints the. Spits the words out across the screen. We're walking along, and what I want y' all to remember is this all took place simultaneously. Okay? What was happening to us and what was happening to guys all took place at the same time. So we're walking along. I have that little, you know, experience, you know, a little feeling. And then we get. And I can't remember which happened first, but anyway, we get three words come across the ghost box or whatever. Solo beast, Grace. Okay, well, solo beast called Amy's husband the beast, and he's down there by himself. So that covers that. Grace is the name of my truck. That's a lot of coincidences. A lot of coincidences. Then we're standing there, we're talking. I'm wearing a headlamp, and Laney's got this bright, sun like, lamp that she uses. It's a LED thing. It's like 6 by 9 inches. And you can dial the intensity up and down on the light. Her light and my light go off at the same exact time. A little dark. We had to physically turn them back on. Mine came on with no problem. Her lint. When she turned her light back on, the intensity dial thing was reversed. Now, at the same time, this is happening. Junior and Senior over here, and they're seeing something in the trees, and they're describing them as. But when they first saw him in the trees, up in the trees, they thought it was a big cat, but there was three of them. Well, whatever they were jumped down out of the trees, and they started approaching them, okay? And then they stood up on two legs. They finally hit them. And we were working by moonlight or they were working by moonlight. And when they finally hit them with a light, with a spotlight, these critters or whatever they were, disappeared. And when they turned the light off, they were right back where they were. And they did that two or three times. So we decide that it's probably time to back out. Okay? So we start. We. We get. We. We gather back up, and we're. We make the decision to go, you know, head back out. And then I start hearing something circling us in the trees. I don't know what it was. And then Senior, he's been stopped by big cats before. He kind of gets this spidey sense going off when there's one around. He said, man, that's a. I think we got a big cat around us. And so we head back down the trail. Now, off to our right, there's a pile of sand off trail a little bit. And for some reason, Junior goes, hey, man, I want to go check out the sand, see if there's any tracks. We're looking for cat tracks at this point. What he found was two Hooven prints that were about 12 inches across. That's a big horse. I don't know that draft horses have that big of a foot. So we find that. We're like, okay, well, let's head back down. Well, then we see this big cat. And it was a big cat dart across the trail in front of us. Okay? So we get in the trucks, we pull out. Junior holler, stop. I stop. He gets out, and we find a big cat track in the middle of the road. That was one of the creepiest things that I've ever had happen up there.
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B
Yeah, that is creepy. And maybe those hoof prints weren't from a horse. And there's so many questions that I want to go into that Dogman Ranch. And I know we're saving a bunch for part two. I have a ton of questions for you and for the audience. I'll try and actually get part two out tomorrow. How can people reach you? Text? Because I know your YouTube channel is Texas front portal, but you're rebranding it. How would people actually reach you?
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A
The information is still on, still out there on the, on that channel. You can contact me. My email is paracrypted Encounters Gmail. That's the best way to get a hold of me. So, yeah, the Facebook. The Facebook thing is down right now. Like I said, we're rebranding, but we, we're going to come back and I think everybody's going to really enjoy what we're going to do.
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B
Yeah, I can't wait to see what you do with it, Tex. And I would encourage people to subscribe anyway. I'll include a link below and I'm subscribed to your channel and I can't wait to see the new stuff. And I can't wait for part two. Thank you so much for coming on, Tex, and letting me pick your brain, man. It's been a real pleasure.
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A
I. I enjoyed the hell out of it, brother. I'm finally glad we got together. It's been a long time coming.
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B
Thanks again, Tex. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is wesasquatchchronicles.com and if you get a chance, check out sasquatch chronicles.com you can become a member and get additional show. See everyone tomorrow night for part two. Have a good night.