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John
It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. And it either heard me or smelt me. And he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up.
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Wes
And that, that shocked me.
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John
They don't make people that that big. The way moved almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language. And they were chuntering away, back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. Nine one one, what are you reporting? Jesus Christ. You better see him. Hello. Get somebody out here. What's going on down sir, that son of a is about 6 foot 9. I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him.
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Wes
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John
My name is Atlas and you're listening to the best podcast ever, Sasquatch Chronicles.
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Wes
Woohoo. Welcome to the show. Tonight we will be speaking with John, who comes to us from Nova Scotia. Back in 1994 when John was just 14, he was riding his 70cc motorcycle through the woods when he encountered this mysterious creature. And a lot of John's details I've heard in a handful of encounters. But it was around this time John experienced another strange incident and I can't help but wonder if the might be connected. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is wesasquatchchronicles.com and if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it Tonight I want to welcome John to the show. John, thanks for coming on.
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John
Thank you very much Wes.
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Wes
Yeah, I appreciate it John. And I know you're out there in Nova Scotia. Gosh, I've always wanted to see that place. I know it's kind of known for its storms and just being cold, but I still would love to visit. What are the summers like out there?
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John
Summers are actually really nice. Yeah. I find if you can, if you can show up in Nova Scotia from May till about November, it's really pleasant after that. Yeah, you got it. It's going to be a hardy winter for you, that's for sure. And where I live in Nova Scotia, it's. It's Cape Breton. So if you're a Cape Breton or you consider yourself separate from Nova Scotia, even though you know, politically we're the same place. But if you ask us somebody from Cape Breton, where they're from, they'll quickly tell you, oh, I'm from Cape Breton. So anyways, yeah, just a little joke amongst us locals here, but yes sir,
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Wes
yeah, I'll have to get out there someday. Nova Scotia always looks kind of wild and harsh, but in the same breath, very beautiful. I'll definitely have to make it out there someday. Tell me back in 1994 you were out there in Nova Scotia. You were about 14. Take me back. What were you doing and what happened?
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John
Yeah, sure, I was on summer break, just a regular student and I was just more or less bored. And there was a path down the street from my, my house just about, I don't know, maybe half a mile down. And I'd never explored it before. And it was directly off the main road, it was a dirt road and it was mainly used, well here we call it the pole line. So it was with the, you know, telecommunications and the power company used to access their, their pole lines. So I, it might have been July or August of 94. I remember the day specifically the sun was splitting the trees just beautifully warm, you know, which is a rarity for Nova Scotia. But that was one of those days. Gorgeous day around mid, you know, noon. So the sun was out that time of day. And anyways, yeah, I drove my little scooter down this little path or I should explain it a little better, it's more, it's, it's a really rough dirt road. You might, you'd need like an ATV or a side by side or something like that. I know the Paul Commission has like a, almost looks like like a track vehicle to go. So why that's kind of hold some relevance too is that the motorcycle that I was, that I was on was a Honda C70. It was a little street bike, baloney skin, tires, really thin. Wasn't made for off roading. But you know, as a 14 year old kid I made it go places that Honda never designed it to go. So that was one of those days. So I drove the motorcycle into the woods down this path rather about 500ft or so. And it was just really rough for that little bike. Bips, dives, moguls. The little bike was just outnumbered and so was I. So I got to a point where I couldn't go any further. There was like a kind of a large hill and some other obstacles and I said, you know, I'm going to completely tear this bike apart if I keep going So I just stopped for a second and I was sitting there and I said I'll take my helmet off for a second and just, just enjoy the moment to just kind of, you know, take a break and took my helmet off, shut the little bike off and I was looking around, I was sitting there for maybe, I don't know, let's, let's say 20 seconds or so. And all of a sudden something changed with, I guess the atmosphere is, if, I don't know, like, like I'd stayed at my email, like somebody put ear protection over me or everything went quiet. The highway sounds kind of disappeared. No sounds of any birds and, or you know, insects, nothing. Just a deafening quiet, if that makes sense. And after a little bit of that, that really just kind of didn't freak me out. But I was like, I'd never experienced anything like that before. And I just happened to turn around and look down the path of where I had come from and to the right of the path. What I saw staring back at me, it looked like, it looked like an African lion, only like with a, you know, significant sized mane around its head and not as big as one maybe you know, 70% of the size of a full grown lion I would assume. And its face was, was different. It had most. The biggest thing I remember is the eyes were solid black and, and big, like a little bit bigger than, you know, what you would actually see a real lion. I mean I've, I've seen one at the zoo one time and on tv. And this was disproportionately big, these eyes, like really big black eyes. And its face didn't have like a, like, I guess like a, like a muzzle. It was kind of like a, it was a very flat face. And once again I remember seeing the mane just kind of blowing in the wind a little bit and you know, and I couldn't see the whole rear of the body because he was behind some shrubs or whatnot. But I'll tell you it, it wasn't, it wasn't natural. Whatever I had seen at that time, I was a paper boy for years. I had everything combat me during that paper route. Doberman pinschers, German shepherds, all the big German dogs, everything from poodles to the collies, dogs that look like lassies. I think I was almost a dog expert at that age. When you're a paper boy, you know, you've seen dogs. My eyesight still really good back then, you know, 20, 20, 2010, with both eyes and what I was looking at was not a dog Absolutely. I was terrified. Just gave me a feeling in my stomach like, you are in real primal, severe danger here. It was no joke. I've come face to face with, you know, once again, German shepherds, Doblemans, you know, coming around the corner of a house and confronting one and have that fear. This was something totally different. It shook me to my core. I don't. Just me standing there. My brain was trying to tell me, like, you know, what. What are you looking at the distance, too. I'm kind of terrible with, you know, given feet or meters or however you like. If I had to give you a guess, I'd say if you, you know, six school buses, six and a half school buses long, if you were to, you know, line those up and look down, that it would be about that distance there. And I don't remember it making a growl or anything like that, but it just had an intense predator stare at me like I was the most insignificant thing in this world. And I knew I was. I was in trouble. And the problem that I faced, too, was that there was nowhere for me to go. My bike, like I said, didn't. Didn't have, you know, capabilities of getting me out of there, you know, away from this thing. I was trapped. So I. The first. All I could think of doing was start up my little 70cc motorcycle with a big quiet exhaust on it and rev the hell out of the little motor, hoping that I would scare this thing off. And it just kept its glaze like. Or glare at me rather, like I was dinner. I just. My heart was pounding, I was sweating. I just don't know what this thing is other than to say, you know, years later, I saw something on TV and somebody explained that there was different types of dog men. And one of them in particular had like, has like a mane. And I kind of get a little chest pain. I went, wow, that. That's not exact, but that's. That's close to. To what I had, what I had seen. So. Bringing you back to that situation again. So there I am. So this whole standoff might have lasted. I'll give it about 20 seconds of some real significant intensity anyways on my end. And then this thing, without even skipping a beep, just kept its glaze, kept stare at me rather, and just slowly backed into the woods, like in a real kind of a. Just a. An eerie way. I've never seen a dog behave like that before, right. And then as I'm sitting there, a new fear come over. I knew I had to get the hell out of There because I thought to myself, if this thing circles around in the woods, I'm a sitting duck and I'm so far from the road, I'm dead. And once again I've confronted, you know, big German dogs and powerful animals. Never had a fear like this, not even close. So the only option I had and I made at that point, get on my bike, make my way as fast as that little 70cc Honda could take me, take my guts out from hitting the bumps and all that so hard. And anyways, and when I passed the point, I did glance over, I didn't see a thing. And I come up onto the road. And you know the laws here in Nova Scotia too. You're not allowed to operate an off highway vehicle. You know, well, that's what it was because it wasn't licensed. And I was 14, I didn't have a driver's license. I didn't give two hoots. I get onto that highway, center line of that road, and went as fast as I could with that little motorcycle, just praying to God that that thing wouldn't chase me back to the house. Yeah, so that's the Reader's Digest version of what happened, Wes, that day.
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Wes
Yeah, that would scare me. You're probably thinking that bike wasn't fast enough. When you got home, did you tell your parents or anything about what you'd seen?
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John
I did. I absolutely did. I came in the house and I told a couple people that, actually some friends and family and whatnot. But I think the story was so out there that you can't get much credibility. And especially being 14, that, you know, like a couple people told me, oh, you've seen a dog and you've seen this? Well, no, I was absolutely certain it was no dog. Not, not at all. That would be like, you know, seeing an elephant and saying, well, you've seen a lamb. Like, it was just totally, this animal was, was totally different. And, and as I maybe had mentioned in my email before, two years later, maybe about seven years later, so I, I had made a friend that was in the area of that sighting. And just in passing, we were driving along one night and I point at the area when we passed by and I said, you know, I said, years ago, when I was a young fellow, my trail bike, I said, I seen. And I described the event that, that I've just explained to you. Well, he looked at me kind of white, white as a ghost, and he said, you have to tell my father that. You have to tell him that. So I was, I was like, okay, and I kind of felt good. I was like, okay, like, you know, what's. Somebody's paying attention to this story. And it might have been two days later I actually met his father in the garage. And my friend, my friend Scott come up to me and said, tell, tell dad. Tell him your story. Tell him. So I once again repeated the story. And my friend's father's sitting there and he's smoking a cigarette, and he just stands up and he said, john, I seen the same thing. And in their backyard they had a fleet of old cars for parts. There's a lot of antique cars and whatnot. And he had explained to me, he said, I went up there one evening, he said, going looking for a parrot off an old desota, whatever type car that is. But I remember him saying that name. And he said, standing in the wood line or not? He didn't say standing. It was on all fours, he said, was something that matched what you said, he said. And I thought it was, excuse my French, the goddamn devil. He said. He said, I just turned back and got the hell out of there. And he said, feel my heart pounding and whatnot. But. And I'd never heard any other stories from anybody local that's in that area, you know, that, like willingly anyways, that. That described the same thing. But yeah, it was really creepy. And about 32 years ago from today, and it's burnt into my mind. I can absolutely. Just like. Just like I'm there. I can remember that. Yeah.
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Wes
Over the years of interviewing many people, John, I've heard people describe a canine cryptidinol, like Dogman, and they'll say it had an African lion's mane. And then I've had other witnesses where they're describing that mane, but I'm kind of convinced they ran into some weird feline that wasn't natural. It doesn't come up all the time, but it does come up, you know, your buddy's dad saying, I thought I just ran into the devil. You kind of made the same comment in your email. You said it was like pure evil. What was it about it that made you think that?
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John
I guess it was more. More of a feeling. Once again, like I say, I've come around the corner of homes at that age and come face to face, quite literally one, like two dobleman pinchers. And that's not evil. You're just in real immediate danger. Your heart's pound and oh, I'm in trouble. This feeling here, when I had seen this thing, it was just so eerie. And to cut to you know, with. It was the dead silence of everything around me. And it was. It was the look. It was the intense stare that just. That gaze that would just not break from me, and it was just extremely intimidating. That was the thing about it. I think that kind of makes me describe it as something. Something that would be evil, like. Like I've had. Once again, I got to compare it again. Some vicious dogs that I've met, and they'll break their glare, they'll look away, they'll smell the ground, they'll do something like, you know, but this was just an intense glare of I. I own you right now, you know, is what it felt like. So it was more of a feeling. And the fact that the face was just so, you know, I wouldn't call it, you know, hideous or anything like that, but it was just so at a place that I. My mind was going through a Rolodex of certain animals that this may be, and none of that was jumping to the forefront. It was just so bizarre. Right. But mainly, like I say, it was that feeling of, you're in a different type of trouble here. Yeah.
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Wes
Did this thing remain on all fours the whole time?
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John
Yeah, it did stay on all fours. And when I first seen it, like I say, I. I turned around and. And there it was. Right. So it wasn't like I was looking at it come out. It was. It was. It had the jump on me. It was. It knew I was there before I seen it. And absolutely bigger than a normal dog. The biggest ones that I've seen, you know, are like king shepherds or so, and probably twice the size of that. Like, that was the other thing, the intimidation factor that this thing could. Could do some damage because of its size. Well, I wouldn't put it as big as an African lion. Like, you know, my only experience with seeing one of those was my trip to Disney World in Orlando, Florida. And maybe I think it was the circus years ago that I'd seen. So, yeah, it was a little bit. It was a little smaller. Somewhere between the biggest dog you've ever seen and an African lion. More or less. Yeah. And as I say, to describe the face more, it was. I just. I really remember the eyes. They were big and solid black. Not cartoonishly big, you know, but. But not small and beady. They were. They were just. If you looked at an owl, almost right. How the eyes would be in an owl in proportion to the rest of its face. So almost about that size there. And it just had a kind of like a big flat mouth. No muzzle. And those are the most distinguishing features that I can remember. And it was. The mane was like a. Like a burnt orange, and the face kind of somewhat of a. An off color to that. Yeah.
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Wes
And so this creature, not having a muzzle, did it remind you more of. Like a primate? Did it remind you more of a feline or neither.
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John
It's jumping. So if I could almost say something in between, it was just, I think. I don't know if the. If these animals exist or not, but in my own, you know, independent research of what I've seen, I think there is in nature, some lions can develop down syndrome. And if you've ever seen a picture of that, that's about the closest that I've seen. So more or less, if I had to describe it, I would say about that. That way there. So more. It's hard to really say, Wes, whether it was more canine or feline. It was just so. Just so bizarre. Just like a flat, flat face. Not entirely flat, like a little bit of, you know, like around the mouth and stuff kind of protruded a little bit, but nothing like a lion or cat. And that's another thing, too. If somebody said, well, maybe the fellow seen a bobcat, because you could almost say, you know, in a. In one way, maybe that would be, you know, something similar. Not at all. Where I live now. I'm out in the country, and I raise chickens and bobcats, come to visit regularly, and. Absolutely not a bobcat. Totally, totally far off and different. Yeah.
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Wes
Yeah. There's nothing about your description that I think, oh, that was a bobcat. Plus, I don't see a bobcat really striking fear in you at 14. I mean, you don't want to go toe to toe with one, but in a battle, you'll probably come out okay.
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John
Exactly. I wasn't gonna win this battle. No way. It was. It was. It was terrifying just to see it. My heart was pounding. It was just, like I say, a primal fear in me that I'm really in trouble. And I. And once again, my mind going through the Rolodex of animals, and it didn't. It didn't fit any of that. Yeah.
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Wes
It makes me wonder what you. What you saw that day. You know, Sasquatch will be described with a mane. I've heard that about a dozen times. And again, it doesn't come up often, but it does come up where people will say it's like it had a lion's mane. And you've probably heard this story, John. I interviewed a cop one time, and he was in the southwest. And he's coming around this corner, and he describes to me what sounds like a lion. It was on all fours, and as he's coming around the corner, it stands up on two legs and looks at him. And I remember asking him, do you think it was a Sasquatch? He was like, no, I don't know what this thing was, but it was more feline. It had a lion's mane. And it was the weirdest thing I'd ever seen. So I don't know.
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John
I.
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Wes
Let me ask you. I know that you don't know and I don't know, but why do you think it didn't attack you, especially with the way it was eyeing you down?
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John
Yeah, I. You know. No, I'm glad you asked that question, because I kind of thought of that, too, because I was a sitting duck, right? This thing. I had nowhere to go. There was no exit for me. And I think it was almost like this thing just wanted to scare the living hell out of me. And it succeeded in that. Absolutely. And I think maybe, who knows, maybe they have a set of rules, as silly as that sounds, that they just were like, you know, why put the energy into this fellow this day? Or could have been my proximity to the highway, and there was homes around quite a distance. Not really. You know, if you screamed loud enough, maybe, and someone was open their back step, they'd hear you. But possibly that there just wasn't worth its time. It seemed like the intent was just to let me know that it was there and to scare the living hell out of me. And it succeeded in those. Absolutely, yeah.
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Wes
Did you ever go back to that spot, John?
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John
You know what? I never did. And every time we. We drove by, like. Or I would. I would drive by later on when I got my driver's license and that. I can't help but glance over all the time. Even today, like, 32 years later, I was out with my, you know, my. My wife and my two sons, and I told them the story. And every time I drive by, I get a little. Just a little shuddering thinking about that thing. It was just. Just so bizarre because usually, you know, you hear stories of cryptids or something, and nothing really matches that night. And I remember years ago, you know, I'm 45, so I sound like an old man here. But before the Internet was. Was popular as it is, I had nothing to reference, absolutely nothing. I was just like, I can't even tell this story. It's so bizarre. Who in the name of God is going to Believe me, about this thing with a big mane that had, like, you know, demon eyes looking at me and all that stuff. So I just more or less, you know, I kept it in the, you know, the back of my mind. And it wasn't till later that I'd be sitting down and watching TV and watching some. Some shows, and people would say, yeah, like your story you described before, but the policeman. And I would just. I would say, oh, my God. Like I said, this is. This is getting really. This puzzle's coming together now. Yeah.
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Wes
And I know you're an experienced guy. You've been out in the woods, John, and I mean, you live in Nova Scotia. That silence that you experienced, did that seem normal to you? And had you ever experienced that before?
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John
Not at all. Never. I've never experienced it before. That's the. Like you say. That was the first thing that got me. I shut the bike off, took the helmet off, and I've been there, like, 10 seconds or so, and it just got eerily quiet. Just like. Like somebody put, you know, I don't know, a glass enclosure over me, you know, a cone of silence or something. That alone was creepy, not terrifying, but I'm like, what is this? It was just, you know, mystical almost. And I'm proud to say, never a substance abuser, not to this day. I don't drink and. Or smoke and certainly didn't engage in anything back then. But, yeah, no, it was just. It came. Everything was quiet. I couldn't even hear the highway anymore. Birds, even wind noises. Wes. I couldn't even hear that. It was just dead quiet. And it was like something just in my. Something in my mind said, turn around. Turn. Like that. Basically, it was like that. I didn't hear the voice, but something was, you know, beckoning me to turn around. And when I did, bam, just locked eyes with this thing, and it was just like a. Like a living horror movie to see us. It was. Oh, just creepy as hell. I'm glad the encounter was only, like, about 20 seconds long, because any more than that, and I. I don't know, I think I got a strong heart, but I'm not sure if I could have endured anymore.
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Wes
Yeah, that silence that you talk about, John, that has bothered me for a very long time. And I think it's because I can't think of a rational explanation for it. And you're right. It's more than just, like, insects and crickets shutting off. I mean, people often report. I didn't hear the wind. I didn't hear the river. I Didn't everything, it's like it just went quiet. Do you think what you saw that day was more paranormal? I mean, it wasn't like a ghost. That's not what I mean. I mean things that are paranormal can be very physical and obviously this thing was physical enough to terrify you. Do you think what you saw that day was like more paranormal?
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John
I would say yes. I would more put it towards that because it just lacked any logic that I knew at that time and, or any knowledge of any other animals and just the behavior of it. And I mean I had a few experiences myself with like paranormal stuff enough to convince me that there's something going on with that world. And so in that specific instance with seeing that weird lion type creature afterwards, when I reflected on it first when I was there, I wasn't thinking this is a ghost or a demon. I was just thinking, I'm in big trouble here. I'm in real big trouble. And it wasn't until I left and then I said, I kind of felt it being that way. I'm like, I think that was, you know, I mean, as hard as that is to admit, I, you know, because of the, the taboo factor of it. But I thought, I think that was something paranormal because I, it lacked any other explanation at all. It was just. And the way, once again the feelings that I, that I had had were unlike anything other, you know, that I've ever, ever experienced.
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Wes
Yeah. And I want to get into some of these paranormal accounts, especially the one when you were young and I know that you were a cop. And I almost became a cop. I would do the 12 hour ride alongs at night and I remember one of the cops was asking me, you know, why do you want to be a cop? And he, I think he had been there for like 18 years. And I said, oh, you know, I, I want to help my community. I want to help people who can't help themselves and, you know, just kind of make the world a better place. And he spent the whole shift like trying to talk me out of it. He was like, if you want a soul sucking job where your workplace is full of drama and workplace politics, this is a job for you, this is a career for you. We're thinking, wow, it's kind of dark. Not a lot of fun to talk to. Tell me about when you were a cop and some of the different events that kind of stay with you.
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John
Yeah, no, sure, yeah, I was a policeman for about 10 years. I started pretty much right at a university and went to that, you see A lot of, you know, weird oddities there. And some of it are of course, in the flesh, you know. You know, you don't need to up a Ouija board or anything like that to see weird oddities, you know, from your 12 hour shifts. 1, one thing that I can say. Well, actually that stands out in my mind. It was about 3 o' clock in the morning and I was the only officer working. I worked for a small town at one point and we had, we had. I was in the room with the dispatcher and they're just the dispatch above their head there was a monitor and you could, really good cameras. You could see outside of the police station as well as the cells and. But the one that's outside you could see down the alleyway and then there was another block of camera where it would pick up the difference and you would see the back parking lot. And I remember being there one time, like I say, it was handy, three o' clock in the morning. I was by myself, just me and the dispatcher. And I seen somebody kind of a taller fellow with a hoodie on, like a hooded sweater. And he was. Usually nobody walks there because one, you're coming to the back of the police station where the cars are, it's not the public entrance. So immediately in the time of morning and the way he was dressed and kind of like with his head down and lurking, I said, chances are this, this gentleman might not be up to, you know, any good. And I seen. So I seen him on the camera and then I quickly went to the back door, not running because, you know, I didn't want anybody to hear me slamming my feet on the concrete floor. But I opened the back door up. I didn't tell the dispatcher what I was doing, but I opened the back door up. And he should have been right there when I opened that door up. And not a soul, just complete, just, you know, tumbleweed, not a thing at all. But you know, that, that one there kind of stands out now whether he could have took off or ran away, you know, maybe, but he should have been right there when I opened up that door. Right. So that you would see oddities like that not every day, but ones that kind of stick out. But one I'd share with you, Wes, if you have time, is when I was 14 years old, this is the biggest one that stands out for me. I mean, it's not a, not a Bigfoot story, but if somebody is interested in some of the paranormal, things that can, that can happen outside of Bigfoot.
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Wes
Yeah, please Do John, please share it. I got all the time in the world.
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John
Sure, sure. Funny enough, it was almost around that same time when I was approximately 14 years old. I had built. I was. I was more ambitious than I am now. I built a cabin in my backyard. It had. Was made of chipboard tarp and logs. It had an upstairs and a downstairs, and I'd made it myself. And I made a little fire or a little fireplace inside. It was an old oil drum, and I stuck some venting out the side. And the fire marshal would never approve of it. I can guarantee that. Long story short, one of those nights in the summer, I called up a couple of friends of mine and I said, you know, you want to come over and we'll sleep in the cabin tonight and whatnot. And they were all in agreeance, and we piled in. One of them brought this Ouija board over in his backpack. And it wasn't an ordinary Ouija board from. I'm not sure who makes them Parker Brothers or who. Who knows. This was a homemade one. It was made out of plywood, and they engraved everything on it. I remember feeling it was really, you know, inappropriate. It had 666. It had, you know, some upside down crosses, you name it, the whole works it had on it. It was just disturbing seeing it. It was like, you know, not that I'm a devoted Catholic myself, but, you know, it gave me the, you know, the heebie jeebies looking at this thing. So as night came, we lit a candle. All of us sat around, very jovial atmosphere. We're just kind of joking around. Some of us are pushing it. Hell, even I did. I took the. I think the copy chest or whatever, the, you know, we'll call it the Cursor. And I. And I even. I gave it a couple of push, you know, just to have a laugh and whatnot. And then all of a sudden, that jovial mood really snapped away from us quickly. At one point, we heard a thud outside the cabin. And we could hear these very prominently, these footsteps and just like dragging their feet like a slow shuffle. And every one of us just looked at each other. Nobody was laughing because this was the real deal. There was something out there. And I'll tell you, one guy was brave enough to pipe up and he said, okay, okay, guys, yeah, that's enough. That's enough. And we all kind of just were. Kept our big tough guy attitude and shut the board down, put it to the side, and we just did anything but that, you know, fast forward. The next day I went Back down to the cabin. Oh, as a result, sorry, nothing else came of that that night. That was all we'd heard. But fast forward the next day I was upstairs in the cabin and I was there just to clean up because we were going to stay in at the night the next night again. So I just wanted to tidy up a little bit. And the Ouija board was, was upstairs. And I don't know what, you know, pardon the pun, possessed me, but I, I took the board and I had the, I think it's called the planchette. And I took it and I started slowly moving it around. You're forking, you're curious, you know, you have that, you know, that brain, right? And I'd asked the question, I said, I just kind of mumbled it and I said, is this board evil or good? And it was almost like something took over my arm. I didn't have control of it anymore. And my arm started to move across the board. I got such a fright that I just pulled my body away through the chest or whatever it is and got away from the board. Then at the. Almost instantaneously after that, something pounded on the front door like, I mean, two big bangs. And I built that thing. Every screw, every nail, every piece of log. I knew if somebody was on the front step of it and, or doing any kind of, you know, damage or anything like that. And I had a window right above where I could look and see down. So when it happened originally, the big bang, I went, oh, thank God, it's my brother in law. Because I was so scared that this had happened that I, I felt relief that somebody was there that I could say, hey, get up here. You know, like this thing's working and nobody was there. I looked out the window, nobody was around. I could see a full radius around the cabin and nothing fast forwards after that. Approximately a week later, it was in the nice. And I said, geez, I'll take my little motorcycle for a drive. So at this time, I didn't have any mentality of, oh, I'm gonna see a ghost or something spooky's gonna happen to me. It was as casual as if I asked you, Wes, can you go up to the car to get the groceries out of the trunk? You know, I came into my house, walked around the corner, and just around the corner of the house was my barn. And what I saw still shocks me to this day. It was almost as if. Now I'll do my best to describe it. It's almost as if you took a person, I guess, Like a man of average height cut him in half and only his lower portion was there, so no top half. And it was just like your typical ghost where it was like semi transparent and like white. And it was. It was animated. It was. It was moving around right in front of the door where I stored my motorcycle in the barn. It was moving, like walking around, like, kind of quickly and erratically. And I freaked out, took my helmet and if that the thing. Because what else do you do when you see that? Half of my brain was saying, somebody's trying to break into the barn and take your motorcycle. The other half of my brain is saying, you're seeing a spook. What the heck is this? And then the thing kind of runs towards me. I mean, just. This is just so bizarre. Like just out of this world and. And then it takes a quick turn and runs straight back down to the cabin where we had that Ouija board session. The next thing that occurred then was. And this happened over a series of nights and I will absolutely never forget it. My basement, my. Sorry, my bedroom, rather, was in the basement of our house and the basement was done over. It had. It wasn't. You know, it had. I'm not sure where you live, but we have a concrete floor and all that. Well, this wasn't. It had carpet and, you know, normal living quarters, let's say. And I'd be laying in bed and the. The. At the end of my bedroom, like if you left my bedroom, sorry, at the end, there'd be a hallway and then at the end of that, a door that leads outside. I'd be laying in bed. It'd be maybe 11 at night, 12 o'. Clock. I was never really a good sleeper, but I. Something would wake me up. I'd be awake and I would hear the shuffling coming towards my room. Absolutely true. I would hear like a. Like a slow shuffle, like a. Like this. Like it's in play to my mind. And it would come towards all the way into my bedroom because I. Most times would have my door open and it would just stop right by my. Right by where my head was. And another instance, my bedroom door close and open by itself. I had books one time on my nightstand and I could hear the books, like, slide for about two seconds and then flop on the floor. Other nights I would wake up and my blankets would be completely off me. And that's fine because most nights maybe you were warm and you'd kick them off during your sleep. The problem was the blankets were about six feet away. So I'm not sure you know what I mean, how they could end up like that. So anyways, the, the grand finale I suppose of, of this, of that event, I was there once again. I'm laying in bed and this thing was, it was. Something was torturing me. I would hear it again coming down the, coming down the hall, the, the shuffle, the feed coming. Never seen anything and I never had the courage to look before because it was so gosh darn terrifying. I just didn't have the courage to do it. But where I was being like almost harassed by this thing. I said built up enough courage and I whipped my head over to the left to see and what was standing there, what I saw, as crazy as this is, it almost looked like a, like a three foot tall gargoyle, great big grin on it with great big teeth and big eyes and just ugly, big wide fat head grinning. And I swung at the thing and as soon as I swung at it just gone. Vanished. And I hadn't heard a thing after that. That was it. It was like I showed it I wasn't afraid or something. But the footsteps and everything that I heard weren't like just suggestive. Like I heard a weird sound and. No, these were definitive footprints, like footsteps like you know, shuffling through the carpet where you could hear come right up to you. And I, and I believe it was the Ouija board because that's almost the exact same sound that we'd heard the night that we were out there using that. And I did tell you that that's the end of that story. But there is kind of a part two. I'd never heard anything after that. Like it was pretty quiet. But years later when I became a policeman, I got my first apartment in another county maybe three hours away. And I remember I had a small apartment and it had like, you know, carpet in it and not lost. And geez, didn't I hear one day I'm sitting on the couch and I hear those that God turn shuffling footsteps coming towards me again. And I thought I'm either losing my mind here or something's going wrong. And then a friend of mine stayed with me, another, another fellow that was a policeman, he was trying to get a start and I, you know, made sure he had a place to stay while he was starting out. And he called me about two in the morning one time and we were pretty close friends and we went through the, the police academy together. And he said to me, he like. And I never told him these stories, absolutely did not. And he said to me, John, he said I'm sitting here and I can hear. I heard these, like, footsteps, and it came right up to my head. And when he said that at verif. Because I was hoping that I was just maybe having some kind of a, you know, a delusion from all my night shifts that I was just tired. And we heard when he told me that, it kind of shook me. And I said. I said, oh, my God, like now, because it kind of confirmed it. But after that, nothing else. I'd never heard anything further. And to this day, it's. Yeah, nothing else. So I guess he gave up on me.
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Wes
I appreciate you sharing that story, John. It's a good warning. The spirit realm is very real, and people get these Ouija boards and, you know, it sure is fun to open the door, but then they can't figure out how to close it. And it seems like whatever comes through is going to be there for a while. Your friends that were with you that night, did they ever experience anything like that?
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John
No, not that they reported to me. And I'll tell you back then, you know, I'm a fat old man now. I don't really care what people think about me. I'll tell the truth. But back then, being 14, you know, the stigma that would have followed with. If you had to said, look, I'm hearing these footsteps and all that, so maybe that would have kept them from telling anything too. But I just want to reassure you that it absolutely was real. It wasn't anything suggestive or my heart rate or something very definitive, and it brought something around. I'm not sure what the science of it is behind them or what happens, but it's certainly nothing to play with. And I think the way I've heard stories, some people say, oh, that's foolish. I've used it for three, four nights and nothing happened and all that until it does, and then you really change your perspective on it. And there's. There's just too much weird that. That happens out there to. To ignore. I think, you know, Bigfoot include us. Oh, funny enough to Wes. Years later, it kind of. It didn't. It. It stuck with me. But it. I was really curious and I remember the local priest. I had an opportunity where I was. I was. I found him somewhere and we were talking and. And I said, you know what? You only get so many opportunities in life to bring something, you know, or do something or act on something. And I pulled him aside and I. I told him the story that I just told you about the Ouija board story. And, oh, he Took it very serious. And his interpretation of it, he said that. And once again, I'm not a, you know, devoted Catholic or whatnot, but I, you know, I. I try to make it to church and Christmas and whatnot. But what he had told me was, he said that I had opened up a door and. And God let a demon in to basically warn me to not continue. He. He said God recognized I was a youth or juvenile, and that was him doing that to warn me, to scare me, to. To never do that again was more or less his interpretation of it. So I kind of found that interesting. So it's one perspective, I suppose.
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Wes
Yeah, it's an interesting perspective. I think people are playing with fire, and I think you got off relatively easy. I've heard some horrific stories. I mean, I could get on board with what he told you. This incident with the Ouija board, was it before or after you saw that creature in the forest?
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John
It relatively. It was. I can't remember specifically, but I can tell you it was around the. The same. The same time point. And funny enough, Wesley just triggered my memory. I remember when I was telling you about what happened to me in the basement with the. Sometimes the door would shut and the footsteps. I remember another morning, 5, 5:30 in the morning. I woke up and my right arm had not horrible, but significant scratches on my arm. And you could tell it was fresh because I woke up because of the pain. And I looked and then all of a sudden, almost like cat scratches. You know how the cat will scratch you, you'll feel the pain, and then a couple seconds later you start to see it bleeding. Identical. Identical to that. We had a cat, but it was declawed. And he was beautifully. Never do that yet. And my door was shut and the cat wasn't in there. And the other thing is, is you'd say, well, maybe you rubbed it on the bed stand or something. No, there was only a wall with wallpaper and some blankets. Nothing that would have ripped it like that. Right. So, you know, and another quick occurrence. I forgot to tell you about the same thing in that. That same basement, broad daylight. And I was walking all around the same time frame, broad daylight. I was walking down the hall. I went to get something in my bedroom when I was getting ready to head for upstairs. And it felt like somebody almost like threw a marble at the back of my neck as hard as they could. Just a slam on the back of my neck, just like. Like I say, as if somebody would throw a marble. And I turned with my head around. Absolutely nothing There. Nobody at all. So all, you know, all around the same time frame. Right. So, yeah, there's. I don't know what the science of it is, but I know it's. It's. You know, if you can avoid that stuff altogether. I think if I was better off.
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Wes
Yeah, I would imagine if I was in your shoes, John, I would have felt very helpless because you can't really control when it shows up or what it's going to do or. You know, like I said, it's easy to open the door, but it sure seems a lot harder to close it. Especially the thing you saw around the barn. I think I would have lost it saying something like that.
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John
Oh, it was so. It was so bizarre. Absolutely. So bizarre. And it's not like I have, you know, hallucinations on the daily. It was only like. But that. That. You know, I'm joking, of course I don't. But I have no other explanation for what I saw. It was just. Yeah, it was unbelievable. And something else, if you don't mind, too, Wes, since I've got to lend to your platform here, but something else I've seen over the years. You often talk about weird lights in the woods and stuff like that. It wasn't that long ago, maybe three years ago. It's a short story. It was in the winter because I remember being cold. My wife, she's a paramedic. She gets up early in the morning to go to work. And anyway, she got up and as she walked by our front window up in the bedroom, which points towards our neighbor's yard, she said to me, john, she said, does. Does Mel have a new light on his house? And Mel was our neighbor. He's. God love me, he passed away since. But he was First Nations. And I said, you know, and I was good friends with Mel. I knew everything about his property, where there was power and where there was not, you know, and the barns in his backyard certainly did not have power. And she said, it's coming from where the back. The backyard is like the barns. And so now I said, okay, well, this is worth getting up out of bed to look. So I got up and I looked over, and about halfway up the barn, there was this bright. Almost like an LED light. Almost the same as, like a street light, you know, for the road, about the same intensity. But there was no casting of light on the ground. None whatsoever. Like, usually if there's a big bright light, you see everything around the way. Like, it's almost as if somebody put a light inside of a tube and Just focused it towards you so there's no cascade of light. And I remember and just it appeared almost like an LED light, the same intensity, it wasn't blinding, but it was certainly a strong enough light, you know, just the same as a street light. So it really had my attention, it had my wife's attention. She was like, well, geez, Mel must have put out a big powerful light on his barn. And I'm saying, geez, I'm pretty close with the guy and maybe we're nosy neighbors with each other. I know what he has and what he doesn't. And so at this point now it's really got my attention because I'm thinking, you know, the, the ex cop came out and me, and I'm like, is this somebody going around with a flashlight breaking into Barnes? Because now you got my full attention. So I'm staring at this light and I'm looking and I'm looking and I'm looking and it's staying perfectly still. But it's almost like it was a light that was inside water, if that makes any sense, where it was just kind of like orbiting around in itself, if that help. That makes some kind of sense, like spinning within itself slightly, right? Like, you know, and I remember just how like bizarre it was. But after about, oh my God, it was there for about maybe I stared at it for about 25 seconds intently because I was trying to make out if I seen people walking around or something, you know, And I'll admit I said, oh my God, I gotta run to the washroom before, you know, I go on the floor. Run to the. As soon as I went to the washroom, of course my wife, she's like, that light's gone. She was downstairs, she's like, it's gone. And anyways, daylight came, I looked over across the street expecting to see that he had installed some type of a light on his house or the barn, rather. Absolutely nothing, nothing there. And when I got ready and went to work, as soon as I pulled out of the driveway about 9 in the morning or 8:30 or whatnot, he. He was actually coming out of his house. And I pulled in and I said, like I had a good rapport with him. And I said, mel, I said, there's something really weird at 5:30 in the morning. And he said, yeah. And I said, well, come on over by the barn. So I went to walk. And I remember distinctly that it had snowed that night just lightly. There was no footprints, no nothing around that barn within even like, you know, 30ft of it. The only footprints were my own walking towards the barn. So when I hear you in some of your stories where I hear people call up and talk with these strange lights, I'm like, holy smokes. Yeah, that's. That's very real. Like, I can attest to the same thing. I saw this. Now, I never seen anything else with it. There wasn't anything that, you know, was crawling or walking or anything like that, but just a bizarre light in the middle of. Of nowhere with absolutely no explanation. And I'll. And I'll tell you. It burns in your mind. So now that's, that's, you know, a couple years ago. Now, every morning I wake up, or if it's at night, if I'm going up to use the washroom or heading into bed, whatever, I always look out the window and I'm like, where's that damn light at again? Looking. But like, I say it was so bizarre because there was no cascade of light. None. It was just, you know, just, just, Just the light, like. So I. I don't know how that's possible. And it was like orbiting within itself. Like it was just kind of swirling in. In itself, you know. But I thought that was just my eyes at the time. When I'm looking at it, I'm like, if you stare at something long enough, like a bright light, you know, your eyes will kind of do a little bit of wonky stuff, but just no explanation for it whatsoever. And, And I mean, I, you know, I. I spent my life as, you know, my bread and butter was as an investigator of one form or another. And it really baffled me and I didn't want to give up on it so easy. Like, oh, well, whatever that was. Like, my wife, God love her, but she, she dismissed it pretty quick. She's like, oh, well, it was weird. That was it. But not me. I was like, nope, I want to know what that was. And it drove me bonkers trying to find out. And to this day, it's just. I gotta file it under mysteries, that's for sure.
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Wes
I appreciate sharing that. John reminded me of the light that I saw. And it did kind of have that swirling motion on the inside, almost like it was power or something. And the way you describe it is spot on. Like, you would think that there would be this cascade of light all around it, but they don't really light up anything. What is it you think you saw? I mean, and what do you think the lights are in general?
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John
You know, I, Geez, I really, I really don't. I just Know that, you know, to give an overall opinion on it. Wes, I, you know, not that I sat on the hilltops thinking about this stuff too much, but there's way too much smoke for no fire. And I think a person would be very conceited if you think you got it all figured out. Any of the, you know, quote unquote cool people that are like, oh, that's crazy, that's this, that's that. Well, not really if your fellow pays attention to some of this stuff. And not everybody can be a liar. I think even the people over the years that I, you know, when I tuned in your show the odd time, you may, you know, have doubt, but then you say to yourself, there can't be that many liars. Even if there's two people that completely, you know, recalled the story at 100% accuracy, then it validates everything. So I really don't know other than to say that there is weird stuff that happens and it's okay to admit that you don't have an answer for it. And the other thing about it is that might frustrate people is they say, well, you know, you know, like one fellow I talked to, well, I'm a ghost hunter and I've been out, I never seen anything. But the problem there is that, that I have seen. It's so random that you never know you're not going to call or summons these things or anything. It's. It's just so random. Like the encounter that I had, like I said, with that weird half bodied ghost that I saw, I wasn't in the mentality of, oh, I'm gonna see something spooky. Here we go. Nope, just the same mentality. If I'd asked you, Wes, can you help me take the lumber out of the truck here and we go outside and bam, you're confronted with it right then and there. It's so random, this stuff, right? So yeah, it's, it's weird. But my God, it's fun to talk about it and just interesting, right?
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Wes
Yeah, it's a mystery. It's definitely a mystery. A lot of people see these lights and I wish I had a great answer for what it is. And I want to ask you what you think Sasquatch is. John, but going back to when you were a police officer, is there any memory that you have that kind of still stays with you today, almost like it happened yesterday?
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John
Yeah, unfortunately, the first thing that comes to my mind is, you know, it goes, I guess without saying a lot of, you know, you're living people's worst day of their life a couple of times that shift. So a lot of, you know, a lot of, a lot of misery unfortunately, right? Like I, I, I did 10 years of it and then I had an opportunity to get out and I, I missed some of the people working, you know, working with them and, but I, I don't, I don't miss the, the, the drama, you know what I mean? At 3:30 in the morning wrestling with some guy that's, you know, built like Arnold Schwarzenegger. You're tired and you're on your seventh shift and he wants to go with you, you know, but yeah, there's just anything that stood out that once again it's, it's so, it's so hard to pinpoint. I do remember one, one incident that it actually is kind of paranormal I suppose. A friend of mine and I, well he was not more than a friend. He was my, my partner, my partner in policing, you know, who I was on shift with that night. We had usually the bars get out about, you know, two o' clock in the morning up here and I remember we rode on patrol and we started to go up in the residential streets just where the houses are, get a break from the main streets, you know, go, go hide for a little bit, right, so we could take a break. And we drove up around the, the residential streets and the town that I worked at was kind of was hilly, right, sort of bippy and divey as well. And we're driving along once again, maybe 3:30 in the morning or so. All of a sudden we looked straight ahead and it was in the winter, there was a little bit of snow on the, on the ground. And we looked ahead and there was this guy with no shirt on out in the middle of the road and he was airboxing. He was just giving it rights and lefts, you know, just, just going. And without saying anything my, my partner and I put the police, he was driving, put the police car in park and we just saw it, we're like, oh, here we go, right? Like, you know, this is going to be, you know, a lot of fun, this fellow, right? And we put our gloves on and we still never, we didn't say anything to each other. He kind of huffs and puffs, puts the police car into drive and we started heading towards this fellow. And as I say, the street that we were on was kind of hilly and divey. So we kind of went up a hill a little bit or we went down, down and like a little, or, sorry, we went down on like a little bit of a hollow. And then as we come up, we expected the guy to be there. He was Wes, he was, he was gone. And now you might say, well, he. Okay, he took off and he ran in the woods. He saw the police car and he wanted to run and hide. The problem with all that is, though it had snowed about an inch, there was no footprints whatsoever, nothing on that road. And my friend, my partner, he couldn't accept it. He got out of the police car and he's shining the spotlight, he's looking around, I'm looking all around, but I'm saying it's kind of a moot point because there's, there's, there's no footprints, man. Like, there's nothing. Like, it's just so bizarre, right? And not that I think everything is a ghost or anything like that, but I'm looking, I'm like, I need, I need a path to see where he went, you know, at least start there. And we're looking and there's absolutely nothing. All we could see is the footsteps leading, you know, back to the. Either side of the police car where we had gotten out. It was really bizarre and my friend just couldn't let it go. We're driving around, my partner should say, we're driving around and he's shining the light in the woods and everything like that. And I'm like, you know, and I'm trying to. I didn't give up. But we're thinking, because I thought maybe if this guy is intoxicated now, we got to find him, like in case he went into the woods and he passes out there and passes away or. So we did take it serious looking for him. And there was, there was nothing, no clues. Even when I followed up the next night shift, I checked in with day shift and said, you know, geez, you get any calls about anybody being disruptive or anybody in the woods or anything? Nothing, Nothing at all. I do recall another time and it's. I would categorize. Guys categorize it, I guess as paranormal as well. I worked at a different town. It was a neighboring town at that time, and it was about 11 o' clock at night or so. We're in the dispatch room, like in, well, in the police station with the. Alongside the dispatcher. To these small towns, you know your dispatcher pretty well and you're right there with them. Sometimes when you go in the office and the phone rings and I was, I was with a female partner. Phone rings, dispatcher picks it up and I hear them Going, okay. They're shaking their head. And he drops the phone and he looks at me and he points and he says, break and enter. Major disturbance, he says, next door at the post office, above the post office. So we don't need to jump in the police car. This is, I don't know, maybe 100ft away. So we're like on it. We slam out the side door. She's hot on my trail. We run over on foot, the cleaners. There it was Canada Post, it was downstairs. And above was an old apartment, or an apartment, I think it was just one single apartment. And as I'm running over, he's got the door open and he's saying, they're upstairs, they're upstairs, They're. Somebody's getting the hell beat out of them. So we run in through his door and Canada Post at the time had another door, I guess that led upstairs to where this apartment was. So we go in hot and heavy. And I'm announcing, you know, at that time it was the town of Stellarton. And I'm saying, stellarton Police. And, you know, we took it dead serious. Although when I went in, I had heard nothing. But the information that I received quickly from the, the nighttime janitor was, they're upstairs, somebody's getting the hell beat out of them. They're thrashing and banging. And he was really upset, right? And keep in mind that man had worked there for about eight years or so. So this wasn't an every night occurrence. This is the first time I'd ever had a call from him like that. We ran upstairs and the door was open to the apartment. It was open. And Wes, when we opened the door, cobwebs hit us in the face. That place was abandoned. There was nobody in there. And we did a pretty much a tactical search, as much as we could, announcing our presence, you know, cutting the pie. As we enter rooms. And the last room before I checked it, I took my flashlight and I rolled it along the ground where you could see because the place was kind of dusty and dirty. There was like old drywall, sawdust, stuff like that. And there's no footprints at all. So once again I'm saying, okay, you know, as a baseline, I walk in the room, I check the closet, I look all around, I come back out and I see definitively my footprints going all the way around that I just made. And I go back down to the. The guy, he's just at the bottom of the stairs, the janitor. And my female partner, she's just like bewildered too. She's like kind of laughing, saying, this guy. You know what I mean? Is this a mental health thing? Right? But he's. And he was just on fire. He's like, I'm telling you, somebody was upstairs and I could hear kicking and screaming. They were fighting the walls. The. The ceiling was shaken. And oh, he was just so upset. It was unbelievable. And just to do our due diligence, we went outside and we checked like, on the roof of the building. Went around like, you know, is the whole perimeter. And then the guy was with us and he's like, well, if they're not in that room, they're on the goddamn roof. You know, And I. And I say to him, look, we checked the roof, and if he had a. Jumped off that roof, that's nobody I want to tackle. Like, that's. You know what I mean? They're better. They're better physical shape than I am. But. But anyways. Yeah. So after a few years, and I would assume, you know, minus the stigma, I'm sure every policeman after a few years would have some kind of a story that they would place in the bazaar. But those are two I can share with you from that time, for sure.
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Wes
Yeah. I appreciate sharing it, John. Some of the most interesting stories I've ever heard were from cops, whether it be paranormal or not. And I really wish I could get more of them to come on. I know the RCMP is armed. I watched them shoot all those ostriches on that farm. But are local cops or provincial cops? Are you guys armed?
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John
Oh, yeah, very much so. The only difference between the RCMP and we. And then we caught municipal police was jurisdiction. The rcmp, what they did was they were our federal police service. And one of the main reasons why we need the federal ones is because they can transfer you anywhere if there's a shortage in Alberta, they'll take ones from Nova Scotia, put them in Alberta or up in the. You know, the. Up in our northern communities, stuff like that. So municipal police, like, let's say that, you know, Toronto police or Vancouver or, you know, no one's going to tell you you got to pack your family up and move and stuff, right? So it's kind of. It's that, you know, advantage there. But as far as being armed and your powers and that are all under the criminal code of Canada, and they're exactly the same. They hold no more power than each of the municipal officers in that. Yeah, yeah.
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Wes
I don't know why. I had it in my head that the cops in Canada weren't Armed, you know, like the local cops. But I'll tell you my cop story, John. You know, when I was a bouncer, we were armed and I hated it. I really saw it more like a liability. And I used to beg management, please take our guns away. Or at least lun us conceal them. Because what's the first thing drunk idiots go for when you're in a fight? They go for your gun. And I can't count how many times I ended up fighting, you know, with one hand clamped over my weapon, protecting it while kind of dropping bombs with the other one. And, you know, fighting one handed got old really, really fast. But I'll share my cop story that kind of ties into it. This is about eight or nine years ago, but I was living in this apartment complex next to this corner store. And one day, you know, I walk over and I'm grabbing some food and I notice this car at the pumps. There's three people inside, but they weren't getting gas. Something just felt off. I couldn't really put my finger on it. It's kind of hard to explain. Kind of a, I guess a gut feeling or something.
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John
Your spidey senses started to tingle.
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Wes
Yeah, total spidey senses kicking in. And I don't know if it was drugs or what was going on there, but I was like, ah, you know, not my problem. And so I go into the store and I get my food and everything and I'm heading out. Now there's a police car. Behind that same vehicle, the other two people are gone. The cop and the driver are fighting. They're actually sprawled out across the front, front seat doors open in a full on like fist fight. And between you and I, it didn't look like the cop was winning. I mean, this guy had like 100 pounds on this cop. And I'm embarrassed to even kind of admit this, but my first thought was like, not my problem, not my business. I learned a long time ago no good deed goes unpunished in life. Watch. I step in and I'm the one in cuffs being charged with like, obstruction or, you know, whatever other charges they pull off their bingo card for the day. And so I was going to go home, I started walking home. And I don't know if you call it my soul God stepping in or. Or what, but I just couldn't walk away. I really wanted to walk away. But, you know, I thought if this cop gets killed and I might have been able to stop it, I'm not so sure I could live with myself after that. So I Reluctantly walk over there, and I walk up to the passenger side of the car, and that's where both of their heads were. You know, they were still fighting. Very vicious fight. But what they were fighting for was the cop's gun. When I look down at my feet, there's a cop service pistol on the ground. The guy is actually reaching for it. He's about 6 inches away, and the officer's trying to hold him back, and he's throwing punches. This cop could fight. And being reluctant, you know, instead of, like, jumping into action, I was like, officer, would you, like, help? And he goes, yes, yes, for love of God, yes. And so I picked up the gun, and I grabbed the guy by the ear, and I yanked him out of that car. I had such a grip on him. If he hadn't come out, I probably would have torn his ear off. That's a little trick I learned bouncing. Grab someone by the hair, and they will follow you wherever you want to take him. No questions asked.
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John
That's right.
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Wes
So now the. The. The cop is cuffing him, totally out of breath. And I felt bad. The cop actually had blood on his face and on his uniform. And I'm standing there above him, still holding his gun, by the way. But I started hearing all of these sirens, a lot of sirens. And I don't know if, like, a call went out over the radio. I'm assuming it did, but it sounded like every cop in Washington was headed our way. And that's when it kind of hit me. Here I am, like a donkey standing over this bloodied cop holding a gun, and there's, like, a swarm of officers ready to roll up. They're absolutely gonna shoot me. So I told the officer, I'm like, am I gonna secure your firearm? And I'm gonna go ahead and set it right over there. And like, seconds later, I swear, like, the entire state police force showed up. I've never seen that many cops in my life, but I was pretty sure if I didn't get that gun out of my hand, they were gonna shoot me when they showed up.
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John
Yeah, yeah, because they're trying to figure it out, and they've got, you know, fractions of a second. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I. A funny story that it didn't happen to me. I wasn't there, but my sergeant told me, he said he was patrolling that 4 in the morning, and he noticed this car that was driven down the railroad tracks. And once again, not that it snows all the time in Canada, but these. These stories are just happened to be in the winter. So the guy must. He was. He was drunk, and rather than, you know, I guess, he thought the railroad tracks were a street, and he went down the railroad tracks and he ended up getting his car stuck. So my sergeant at that time. Oh, my God, it's tape ratting humor, I'll tell you. Like, we can't reveal all the secrets of some of the fun that was had on those bag ships. But he went up to the window, and the guy sees that there's a policeman there. So he puts his car in drive, even though he's stuck solid. Puts it right to the floor, engine screaming. So what does my sergeant do? Stands alongside of the car and starts running, like on spot, pretending he's going with the car. So the drunk is there. His speedometer is probably reading, you know, 180 kilometers an hour, and he's running alongside the car, pound on the window, pull over, pull over, he said, I heard that story and oh, my God, I tell you, I burst the stomach stitch laughing. You know, I'm kind of glad I'm out of it myself. I don't regret the time in it, but, you know, it's good for the memory bank, that's for sure.
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Wes
Yeah, I'm still busting up about the. The train tracks. You know, that guy was like, when he sobers up, he's going to be like, yeah, I had it floored. And this cop was keeping up with me on foot. I would imagine in that job, you gotta have a little bit of fun so you don't go crazy. And I appreciate sharing all your memories of that and your encounters. John, you know, I ask everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch is? I know you're a member, and I really appreciate you supporting what I do, but what do you think bigfoot is?
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John
You know, I guess after I'm. I'm interested as a hobby on the side, kind of, you know, a closeted, you know, researcher. From my chair, watching tv. And after all the information that I've taken in on that subject, I. I'd have to say it's more paranormal. There's just too much weird stuff that goes on to say that it would be something physical, like, you know, the stories you hear about. I remember, Wes, you had somebody on, and perhaps I think it was an older lady, and she said, she. She shot us with a shotgun, and it was just a flash of light and the thing was gone. You know, stuff like that, where random footprints, where they don't start or conclude and just too much of the woo factor there to say, you know, that definitively it is an animal. But I mean, my, my input is worth, you know, half a penny. But if I was, you know, to say I, I would dare say it's something paranormal in, you know, in nature, if, if that'd be my opinion on that, Wes. Yeah.
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Wes
Yeah, I kind of lean that way too, John, and it kills me too, because I really want it to be a non human primate. You know, it seems, it would seem so cool to be like, oh, wow, there's a new species of gorilla or something we haven't just discovered. But, you know, the longer you're in the subject, you're more, the more you're like, I don't know about that, but I really appreciate you coming on the show, John, and sharing your life and your encounters. And I really enjoyed chatting with you. It was a real pleasure. Thank you so much for taking the time.
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John
Thank you, sir. I, I appreciate following up with me and I was just happy to share those stories.
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Wes
Thanks again, John. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes Sasquatch Chronicles.com and if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.