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And I just stop immediately and freeze. I had no idea what I was looking at. I just knew it's the biggest damn thing I've ever seen. And I'm looking at this thing frozen in fear. I can't talk, I can't move. And my wife sees me. She's coming up behind me. She can tell that there's something definitely wrong with me, but. And I can hear her asking me, you know, what's wrong? You look. You look like you. You're scared to death. What's wrong with you? Well, I couldn't talk. I wanted to tell her, stop, stay right where you're at. But I just couldn't speak. And so she just keeps on coming. And when she gets to the top of the rock and sees this thing, she just starts freaking screaming. And at the top of her lungs, man. And that's when this thing notices us. And it's. It turns, it stands, it just pops straight up, man. When it heard her screaming, just like, boom, it was up. No effort, no. No struggle, nothing. Popped straight up and turned and looked at us and man, I thought I was scared when I saw this thing crouching there. I didn't know what it was, but, dude, when it stood up and looked at us and cocked its head to the left was the most. Words can't describe the feeling that this gives you. You're about to get freaking eaten. Possibly. You don't know what this thing's gonna do, but it's mortifying. It was the ugliest, scariest thing I've ever seen in my life. Life. Its face, It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. And it either heard me or smelt me. And he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up. And that. That shocked me. They don't make people that. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language. And they were chuntering away, back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like. And there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. Nine, one, one, what are you reporting? Jesus Christ. You better deal. Hello? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir, that son of a is about 6 foot 9. I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. O. My name is Atlas and you're listening to the Best podcast ever. Sasquatch Chronicles.
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Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you. We're gonna be chatting with Weston, and Weston comes to us from North Carolina, and back in 2016, him and his wife were out hiking, and they had a very, very close encounter with one of these creatures. And I'll let Weston go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is wesasquatchchronicles.com and if you get a chance, check out sasquatch chronicles.com you can become a member and get additional shows, and I'll see the members tomorrow night. Let's jump into it. I want to welcome west into the show. Weston. Thanks for coming on.
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Hey, thanks for having me on, Wes.
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B
Yeah. And you and your wife had a very scary encounter. It was a very close encounter, actually. This takes place in North Carolina back in 2016. If you would. Would you start from the very beginning? What were you doing and what happened?
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I was. I was with my wife. We. When we first got together, for the first five or six years of our relationship, we did a lot of hiking, a lot of camping, and she. One of her favorite things to do was go check out waterfalls, and we would just go to any of the surrounding several states. Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, you know, any of the. Anywhere we found something that looked cool, we headed there. And this particular trip, we were in North Carolina in the Blue Ridge Mountains, right off of the Blue Ridge Parkway, at a pretty popular waterfall named Crabtree Falls. It's. I believe it's the tallest waterfall in North Carolina or whatever, so it attracts a lot of people. And it was late July. Hot, sunny, muggy. We had been camping for a couple of days already in that area, and this was a Sunday. We were headed home, and she decided she wanted to stop off and check out this waterfall that we had. We had been to a couple of times before. I knew that it was going to be busy, and my personality is. If I can, I will try to go somewhere where there's the lowest chance of people being around as possible. I'm. I, you know, I don't like them to be around a whole lot of people. Well, my wife's the exact opposite. She doesn't. She doesn't care. She doesn't even notice other people around. So, as I suspected. And. And typically, I lose those arguments. So here we are, going to Crabtree Falls. A lot of people there. You pull off of the parkway, drive Down a half mile or so to the trailhead. So we get out and take off and this is about a 2 1/2, 3 mile hike out and back to get to the falls. So it's, it's here we are headed, headed to the falls and I don't know, halfway there maybe. I don't know if you've ever seen as you're walking on a trail. I'm sure you have off to the side. There may be other tributaries or whatever running down the side of the mountain and sometimes they'll just cross right over the trail that you're on. Well, halfway down this trail there was a pretty good size one of those crossing the trail and it was like a stream boulder field going up the side of this mountain off to our right. Lots of big rocks on both sides of the creek and rocks in the middle of the creek as well. But anyway we decided we would go off trail, climb up this mountain and see where this water's coming from. Maybe there's another waterfall up there somewhere. Well, that's right up my alley because I know nobody's going to be up there. And there's signs all over the trail telling you not to go off trail. Well, that's right up my alley too. So here we go off the trail and we climb up the side of this, we climb up this mountain for a good half mile. It felt like may not have been that far but it was tough climbing. It wasn't straight up but it's pretty good slope going up the side of this mountain. Big rocks, you got to do a lot of climbing. And it was kind of a struggle and I was in front because she would need some help every once in a while getting up and over these areas. So I was in front so I could help her. And like I said, as we, I don't know, half mile it felt like we start hearing a pretty good sized waterfall so we know we're getting close. And I come up over the top of this big rock and as and get up to the top of it and there's the waterfall right there. Beautiful waterfall, 25, 30ft tall. It kind of cascades down. It doesn't fall straight off the mountain into the creek, it kind of cascades down. So there's kind of levels, you could climb up different levels to get to the top of it if you wanted to. And the first thing I notice is this huge thing kind of crouched at maybe 5ft up from the base of the, of the waterfall. You got the, you can obviously tell where the Waterfall hits the creek, it flattens out. This thing's five feet above it, crouching on a rock and I just stop immediately and freeze. I had no idea what I was looking at. I just knew. It's the biggest damn thing I've ever seen out in the wild. It's much bigger than any bears in this area. You might get a 400 pound black bear in this area, but that's big for the area that we, that we were at. And this thing was much, much bigger. And it was, it was kind of crouched like a, in a catcher's position, if you will. But its knees were kind of pointed out to the side more and it had its right arm into the waterfall. It was just holding it there in the waterfall, letting the water run over its arm. I don't know, maybe it was getting a drink or. I don't know what it was doing, but it obviously didn't know that I was there yet. I guess it didn't hear us coming. We weren't being that loud and this waterfall was really loud, so it didn't know I was there. And I'm looking at this thing frozen in fear. I can't talk, I can't move. And my wife sees me, she's coming up behind me, she can tell that there's something definitely wrong with me, but. And I can hear her asking me, you know, what's wrong? You look, you look like you, you're scared to death. What's wrong with you? Well, I couldn't, couldn't talk. I wanted to tell her, stop, stay right where you're at. But I just couldn't speak. And so she just keeps on coming. And when she gets to the top of the rock and sees this thing, she just starts freaking screaming at the top of her lungs, man. And that's when this thing notices us. And it's. It turns, it stands, it just pops straight up, man. When it heard her screaming, just like boom, it was up. No effort, no, no struggle, nothing popped straight up and turned and looked at us and it cocked its head to the left and man, I thought I was scared when I saw this thing crouching there. I didn't know what it was, but dude, when it stood up and looked at us and cocked its head to the left was the most. Words can't describe the feeling that this gives you. You're about to get freaking eaten. Possibly. You don't know what this thing's going to do, but it's mortifying. And to describe the size of this thing is impossible with words. That I. I don't know if any of the famous orders of the world could describe the size of this thing when it's. It was close. It was probably 20, 30 yards from us at this point. I don't know if Shakespeare could do it. You would just have to be there to understand how big this thing is and how scary that it looks. It reminded me. I'll go into a little bit of detail on how it looked in a minute. But with it standing there with its head cocked looking at us, it kind of reminded me of the clown on it. I don't know if. If you know what he looks like, but he is. His hair. His forehead was bald kind of halfway up, and then that's where his hair started. And this grimace that it had on his face, it just looked. I thought it was somebody in the scariest mask I had ever seen, but I knew immediately that it was not anyone in a suit. There's no way that someone that big would have been in a. In a suit in the middle of summer up here. It just was. I knew that was out of the question. I wasn't sure what I was looking at, but. But I knew it was real. And anyway, it had its head cocked to the left for what seemed like a long time. It was probably a couple of seconds. And then it let out this grunting noise, like, did it twice, like. And the second time it made that noise, its lips were kind of pursed. If you make a groaning noise, your lips will do the same thing. And I think once it made that noise is when this pressure on my ears started. I felt like I was at the bottom of a 1012 foot pool. You've ever felt that? And this was. This all happened pretty quick. Like I said, my wife was standing right beside me screaming her ass off. And whenever this pressure started on my ears, I couldn't even hear her anymore. And I just had tunnel vision on this thing. I was frozen. When he let that grunt noise out. I pissed on myself. I don't know what this thing's gonna do, but I know that if it gets the notion to, it's gonna come over here and rip us apart and have us for lunch. So it's just a feeling you can't describe, but it, thankfully, it decides not to do that. And after it makes this noise, it decides. It steps down and over the creek. It's like I said, it was up about 5ft above the base of the falls. Well, it steps down and over the creek, which is a good six foot, six foot wide creek. Probably. And then a five foot drop does it in one step. No problem, no struggling, just steps down. Now a human tried to make this step. You're going to bust your ass. You would have to jump. The rocks are slippery. You just, you just couldn't do it. And not in one step anyway. But it had no issues. Just one step over the creek and then a few steps up the side of the mountain, up these rocks and before long it's out of sight. I don't know if it was making any kind of noises or anything like that as it's going up the mountain because my, this pressure is still constant on my ears. I can't hardly hear anything. But once it's out of sight, that pressure relieved and I was able to hear again. My wife at this point is, she's crying, doesn't know what to do, is shaking, telling me let's get the hell out of here. I still couldn't move. And we eventually make our way back down the mountain and we leave. We were going to camp there that night but decided not to. And I haven't been back to that area since. But it was, it was strange. I knew it wasn't a man to me. It's, it was definitely a hominid in my opinion. Was it in the, in the human evolutionary line? I don't know if it's a hominin. I assume, I imagine it is, but I don't, I don't want to speculate on that too much because I don't really know obviously. But yeah, it's, it had auburn colored hair. At least the hair was matted. It wasn't uniform color throughout. Looked like a drunk barber had went to town on this thing. Man, it had spots missing where the hair was much thinner. It was long on its, on its forearms. It was probably three or four inches hanging on its forearms. Especially that right when that was wet. You can definitely see the hair hanging down off that forearm. Pretty good. Water was dripping off of it. But it was auburn colored where it did have hair. And it probably got a little darker in toward the skin. Maybe the sun, way the sun was hitting it made the tips look redder. But the face, well, first of all, its legs in proportion to the rest of its body didn't seem right. They were a little shorter than in proportion to its torso. And I really noticed this when it took off before it, it had its head cocked to the left like I said. But right before it took off it looked, it snapped its head to the left like something caught its attention I don't know if any. Anything did, but that's what it appeared to be. Snapped its head to the left and. And it bent down and was gone. And the whole time it moved, I noticed that, that its knees stayed bent the whole time it moved. So that really caught my attention as it was standing there looking at us. It seemed like it was standing up pretty straight. So I. It may have been double jointed in the knees because of the way the knees were splayed out when it was crouching, but it looked like it was able to lock its knees. It just never did. As it moved, they were bent the whole time. But as it, when it was moving was when I really noticed that the proportions of its legs seemed a little shorter than the rest of its torso. And its arms seemed a little longer. Like the forearms from the elbow to the hands were definitely longer than the upper part of the arm. And this thing wasn't huge like a, like a bodybuilder or something. It was tall and lanky, I think it was. So I'm pretty sure it was seven and a half to eight feet tall. And the reason I'm sure of that is because in high school I had a friend who we had recruited our basketball team and recruited him to come play with us. And he was 6 foot 10. So I saw this guy every day for two years. You know, we were good friends. I know what 7ft tall looks like up close. I know what it looks like at a distance. And this thing was taller than him and it was lanky. It's. You wouldn't have wanted to mess with it, but it wasn't huge like a bodybuilder. It was the ugliest, scariest thing I've ever seen in my life. Its face, it looked like it had really big eye sockets. The eyes themselves didn't seem to be really huge, but you could definitely tell the sockets were big and they were, they were sunk back in. Had a, did have a definite eyebrow ridge, I could tell. And then its forehead sloped slightly back to the top of its head. And its hair started almost at the top of its head. And then the hair on its head looked kind of like dreads. The rest of its hair was matted and missing any spots. Like I said, its mouth. This thing could have put a softball in its mouth and still had room to talk to you if it wanted to. I mean, its mouth was huge. I didn't get a good look at its hands. I wish I would have because I would have liked to see the orientation of Its thumb, whether it was opposable or not. And I didn't get a good look at its feet either. I did see one of its footprints on the rock because it left a wet footprint. But I also wish I would have gotten a better look at its feet. I could have been able to tell if its toe was opposable, Its big toe was opposable or not. But I didn't get a good look at them. Just the size of this thing. And you can't describe how big these. You know, I've been to the zoo. You see giraffes up close. But listen, man, giraffes are not fixed to come over the fence and eat you, right? So this thing, me knowing that it could do that if it wanted to, that makes. Gives big a little bit different impression and definition. You know, when you're out in the wild with one of these things, it was just huge. It's completely emasculating and that. It took me a while to kind of get over that because, you know, we had kids at home, too, and there's not a damn thing I could have done. My wife knows that. She understands that. But it still makes you feel emasculated, you know? Yeah.
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It's scary to run into one of these things. It really is. I mean, listen, I. I'm a prideful man. I've dealt with some very bad men in my life. These things, on the other hand, it's terrifying to run into one. I hear guys with big egos that are like, oh, you know, if I ran into bigfoot, I'd put a bullet in it. No, I don't think you would. I really don't think you would. I think you'd be trying to figure out how to get out of the situation as quickly and unharmed as possible. You know, one thing that you said during your encounter was its legs being short. And I get completely what you mean by that. And I'm kind of comparing it to my encounter, and I really shouldn't, But I get completely what you're saying. I don't think that their legs are actually short and stubby. When you get a good look at one, I think it has to do with their knee placement, because in my encounter, the one thing I really picked up on was their knees are a lot lower than where our knees are at. Our knees are about 50% up the leg. Their knees are about. From the foot up is about 30%. So it kind of gives this short, stubby appearance. But I don't think their legs are actually short they give off that appearance of being short and stubby, but I don't think that they really are. Do you remember where the, the knees were on this thing?
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So when I say they were short, don't get me wrong, those legs weren't short. They just seemed to be a little bit out of proportion with the rest of its body, if that makes sense. In all, they just seemed a little bit too short for its body for some reason. And I really noticed that when it was moving, as it, as it lunged to take off that rock, I really noticed it. It turned and put its hand out and stepped off in one step and its knee stayed bent the whole time where its knee was placed. I don't, I'm not sure about that, man. It just, it's. It's legs just seemed a little shorter than what you would theme for something seven and a half foot tall, if that makes sense. But that's not what I noticed. What I. What stuck in my mind was the fact that it looked really ape like as it took off and moved. It just seemed like this thing always had its knees bent and just moved kind of ape like as it moved. But it was smooth, had no trouble getting around in this territory. I mean, my wife and I were struggling like hell getting up this trail and it just, it didn't even look natural. You know, the way it took off, went up the mountain, it was just so. A cat is the only thing I could think of that would be able to move in this territory the way it did.
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I wanted to ask you about its facial expression outside of the grunting, which I'll come back to in a moment. When it turned and looked at you guys. Do you remember its facial expression changing?
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It was like, did change because when it made the noise, its mouth moved. But its expression when it had its headcock looking at us was just. It was almost like somebody trying to play a prank on you and scare you as bad as they could, like, because it didn't have any emotion. It was just sitting there staring at us with this blank stare. And I'm like, what the hell is this? It's. This is the scariest damn thing I've ever seen. Is this some. Is this real? Is this somebody? Is this some huge dude in a freaking scary Halloween mask? His skin was kind of charcoal colored, maybe a little lighter than, than, or I'm sorry, a little bit darker than charcoal. And its mouth, its lips were thin, but they were, I could tell they were a little bit lighter than the rest of its face. It had a Flatter face than, say, chimpanzees or gorillas. Their face isn't as flat as ours. Its face was flatter. Even though it still had that kind of slope up to the back of its head. And its nose was bigger than ours and sat more flat on its face, it still didn't look. It looked closer to us, as opposed to, say, a chimpanzee, in my opinion. And its proportions were huge. But it was scary looking. Its nose was kind of twisted. One nostril is up a little higher than the other one. Its eye sockets were huge. That made it look scary. And then its mouth, man, was so freaking wide. And whenever it did that grunt noise, it was like. I said, it was like. Like that. And if you make that noise, your. Your lips kind of automatically purse out a little bit. And when his. When his lips did that, they were. They came out really far. Like, I couldn't. I never. It never grimaced or anything at me. So I didn't get a good look at its teeth. I could see its teeth when it. When its lips were pursed, but I didn't get a real good look at him. But its lips were long. They came off of its. They came off of its teeth a lot further than ours would when we make that motion, if that makes sense.
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Yeah, it does make sense. I wanted to ask you about the grunt. You know, when this thing grunted at you, how did you kind of take that behavior? I can imagine in the moment how you took it, but even looking back now, how did you perceive it grunting at you? I mean, what did you make of that behavior?
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Well, looking back, it's a little different. So at the moment. At the moment, I wasn't sure what it meant. I. I didn't know if he was fixed to come eat us or if it was just telling me, hey, I'm over here. You stay over there. And after it, looking back on it, after it took off, obviously I think it was more the latter. Like, don't follow me. Y' all stay where you're at. Do not follow me kind of is one way I took it.
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Yeah. In that moment, I think that's exactly how I would feel. And I can tell you from doing this show for too long and talking to a lot of people that I. I really don't think that grunting is meant to be aggressive. There's a famous account that came out of. I can't remember if it was North Carolina or South Carolina. There was this hunter, and this hunter is coming down this path, and he runs into two of them, one he described, and they were huge, much bigger than him. One of them he describes as a male, and the other one was a little bit shorter, still much bigger than this hunter. But he describes a shorter one as being female because he saw breasts. And they're in this weird standoff, just standing there looking at each other. And the female grunts at him almost identical to how you imitate the one that grunted at you. And he shot it. He raised his rifle up and he shot it. And the male kind of looked at him like, what have you done? Picks up the female, throws her over his shoulder and takes off. I think he went up a rock wall or something. It's been a while since I've heard the encounter, but I can tell you over the years of talking to people that I think that grunting is an acknowledgment. You're there, I'm here, we see each other. I don't. I really don't think it's meant. And I've heard it many times over the years with people's encounters. I don't think it's meant to be aggressive. Having said that, I would have taken it exactly the way you took it. I would have taken it as, don't follow me. This is your one warning, you know, that sort of thing. But, you know, and this is all my opinion, of course, I really don't think that's what they mean by it.
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A
There was nothing aggressive about this encounter. So that definitely makes sense at the time when you're so afraid, anything that this thing does is going to seem. You don't know how to take it. But, yeah, there was nothing aggressive about this encounter. And I, I don't think that those grunts were aggressive just at the time, you know, with, with that fear factor kicked in. Anything this thing does, you. You have to take it as aggression. But you know what's weird? I was, I was. Let me, let me ask you this and see what you think. That I was frozen, I couldn't move, I couldn't do anything. I couldn't talk, I pissed myself. But regardless of that, I was frozen. I couldn't move. Do you think that, evolutionarily speaking, that's something that has helped us survive over time? Because if I was able to move and, and do what I wanted to do, which is get the out of there, it may have came after me. So do you think that fear, when that, when that fear kicks in and it freezes us, that that's something that has helped us over time with predators? Yeah.
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It's hard to say. I mean, I can only tell you from my own personal experience. You know, they talk about the fight or flight that people have. Either you're gonna run or you're gonna, you're going to fight. Well, I would say there's a third option too where you just stand there stone faced. And I mean, I, I hate to bring up when I was a bouncer because I sound like such white trash when I talk about it, but in a lot of fearful situations. I made mention earlier of dealing with a lot of bad men in very fearful situations. So I used to work mainly with this one guy every night. And he was a former blood. He was a gang member or former gang member anyway. And this guy was, I mean, this was not the man to mess with, I can tell you that much. This was not a guy I would even mess with. We would be in some hairy situations. And he made the comment to me one time where he said, you know, Wes, you're stone faced. I can't tell if you're mad. I can't tell if you're going to kill this guy. I can't tell if you're scared. Your expression never changes. Now in those moments I can, I mean, I'll tell you. And it kind of hurts my pride to say it, but in those moments I was terrified. But I think in our, there's something in our DNA to where, you know, I would just stand there and just look at them like, are you done? Are you done running your mouth? That's not what I was thinking on the inside. On the inside I was thinking, where's the exit? How can I get the hell out of this situation? But that's not really how I was projecting myself. And it's not that I'm, you know, I think in those situations, especially when you're dealing with humans, and I'll give you an example with Sasquatch. But when dealing with humans, men especially will try to intimidate you when you don't react. There's that moment where it's almost confusion on their face, like, did I just run into Bruce Lee? Like, should I shut my mouth at this point? And I remember I had this father on one time and he was with his kids and he had run into a family group of these things. It was the young female that noticed him and his kids. And I forget what she did in the encounter. She did something to alert the family group. The male gets up and starts charging this father while the father doesn't run. And he's obviously not going to fight this saying, he just freezes and stands there and looks at it about 10ft before it mows him down. It stops and it just. There's confusion on the creature's face, like, why isn't this guy running? Why isn't this guy reacting? Why isn't. And I think it's something in our brain to protect us, the other side of the coin. I will say I almost think it's kind of in our DNA. Like our ancestors have run into these things before. We've met before in the past. And I think that's where a lot of how we react to it comes about. Because it's more than just, oh, this is something I've seen before, you know, how interesting. No, we freak out when we run into them. It's almost like in our DNA, like we've met before in life.
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A
We had to, we had to. You know, these things, they didn't just pop up 10 years ago or 20 years, you know, when I. They didn't pop up 100 years ago. They've been around a long time. I think you're right. We had to have, we've had to have had encounters in the past with them much more than we do now with the way the population is and the industry and everything encroaching in all the, all the wilderness areas. Didn't always used to be like that, so.
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B
Yeah, I agree. You know, the other thing I wanted to ask you about was when it grunted at you, you made the comment almost like you couldn't hear, like you were underwater. Do you think that was fear or. I, I know there's a theory out there that these things give off infrasound and I'm not so sure about that. But it could be, you know, I, I don't know. I'm just giving you my opinion. Of course. Do you think it was fear? Do you think it was something else?
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I don't know. I don't know if it was something externally forcing that pressure on me or if it was internal fear. I don't know. I would be. I mean, since I don't know, I can't say either way, I'm open minded either, either one. I've heard that before with, with encounters. I don't know if you know who Fred Roll is. He has a famous encounter where it's kind of the same thing happened, happened to him throughout the whole encounter. So I, I don't know, man, that's. At the time I felt like it was internal, that I was just so. But it Happened right when the thing running. So I could hear fine before that. And then I once it run it from that point until we didn't see it anymore. It was, I felt like I was at the bottom of a pool. So I don't know. With the head for sound, that's not something that we can audibly hear, I don't think. Right. I mean they don't. So they don't, they don't have to be actively making a noise for that to happen. Is that correct? Yeah.
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B
There's kind of two parts to your answer. We can't actually audibly hear infrasound. I think it's below like 20Hz, but we can physically feel it. And usually your body will fill it. You know, you'll feel the, that low frequency hit you, but it doesn't necessarily mean that you can't hear what actually gives off the infrasound. I know like elephants, for example, they'll do like these very deep, low rumbling growls. I want to say it's like 5 or 7 hertz that they give off. And it's for communication with their herds, kind of coordinate with their herds. Tigers, on the other hand, they'll emit an infrasonic roar. So not only will you hear it, but you'll also feel it. And there's examples, especially with tigers, where they give off that infrasound and prey freezes from the effects of the infrasound. So I guess to answer your question, it's kind of yes and no.
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A
Okay. So I wonder if, if that when, when people start feeling like they're being watched and they start getting really scared, even though there's nothing around them that they can see. Is that, do you think that could be what that is? Because it seems like in a lot of these encounters, people can feel it before they actually know something's there.
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B
No, I, I don't think that has anything to do with them. For sound. I think as humans, and it's kind of fascinating when you look into it. It's the brain's built in gaze detection system. And if you ever get a chance, really research it because it's fascinating. But we have kind of a subconscious sensory processing in our eyes and our brains to where we can pick up when, for example, we're being watched. You know, you're in a stadium full of people and you have this weird feeling of being watched. You turn around and you look at, right at the person who's watching the back of your head. I, I don't think that's Infrasound. And like I said, if you get a chance, check out that gaze detection. It's. It's fascinating. Can I ask you why? Why do you think it didn't attack you?
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A
I. I don't think it had the notion to. I just. I just don't think this. You know, it didn't want to, I guess. I don't know. It definitely could have if it wanted to. It just didn't. I don't know if. So after it made that noise, it turned its head to the left really, really quick, like something to its left had caught its attention, and that's when it took off. I don't know if that had anything to do with why it left, why it didn't come after us, but something seemed to have gotten its attention, and that's when it took off. I don't know if there were more around. I don't know, man, but I can't answer that, dude. I don't. I don't want to speculate on what it was thinking. I'm just glad it didn't take the notion.
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B
Yeah, it's interesting that you say that. I mean, I tend to think that there probably was another one there. I. I truly believe. And again, this is my opinion, so take it as that, that they're rarely alone. If you see one. That doesn't mean that there's just one there. One time I was at the Browns, and I've told this story before. We were up on this platform Jonathan had built. So we're in this elevated position. Jonathan has an AR15. Woody has Jonathan's extra AR15. And I'm holding a thermal camera, and we see what looks like a man. At least I did on the thermal because I'm the one that had it out in the farm field, and he's pretty far away. He's probably a football field away, and he's walking away from us. But it looked big. It looked bigger than just a normal human. It looked like one of these things. So I'm showing Jonathan, I'm like, hey, take a look. I show Woody, hey, take a look. And they're like, well, let's go walk towards this thing. Let's catch up with this thing. Now. I'm unarmed. Even if I was armed, I would have zero intention on catching up with this thing. But before I could even make a comment, they're both down and walking towards this thing. And I'm like, I'm unarmed, guys. I'm unarmed. Like, I really didn't want to walk towards this thing. But I'm holding the thermal. All three of us are walking, and off to our left. This is at night, by the way. Off to our left, all of us heard this.
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A
Ah.
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B
Almost like one screamed at us. We're quick, so like three donkeys. We all stop and we all look to our left, and they're asking me, what. What do you see? Where do you see it? Where is it? There was nothing there. I didn't see anything. But that screen was very close by. And I'm scanning, I'm scanning, and they're thinking, well, he doesn't want to follow this thing. So I'm like, here's a thermal. Take a look for yourselves. And both of them are scanning. There's nothing there. We look back at that one out there in the field, and it's gone. Even with the Patterson Gamlin film. And I've asked Bob about this. There's a theory that Patty walked away because there was young ones there. And Bob says, I don't know. I never saw anything else besides Patty, but that would make sense. She walks away almost like trying to get their attention, because she doesn't run away. She kind of takes her sweet time getting out of there. And so there's kind of that theory, but again, I've asked Bob about it, and he says he doesn't know if there was another one there or not.
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A
Yeah, well, with the. With Patty, you know, something a little bit more evidence that kind of substantiates that or. No, substantiates it, But a little more credence to that is I. I've heard that they actually think that she went away and sat up there and watched them for a while. Have you heard that?
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B
Yeah, I believe that theory actually comes from a guy named Bob Titmous. I could be wrong on that. But they were up there looking at Patty's tracks, and they were following her tracks. And based on her tracks, she basically made a big circle and then stopped. And almost. That's where that theory comes from. She was up there watching them, because they don't really run off even when you think they run off. And again, this is my opinion, based on eyewitness testimony, they don't seem to really run off. They seem to move to a different position where there's more room in between you, and they'll watch you. And I guarantee, even that one that walked away on the waterfall, I guarantee he didn't run off. He probably got in a different position and sat there and watched you guys. My opinion, of course, was there young,
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A
around I don't know about that, but could there possibly have been another one there that got its attention maybe? It definitely makes sense in your. In you and Jonathan and Woody's encounter that something was getting Yalls attention not to follow that thing or for. In order for that other thing to get away or whatever. And I've heard that there's always. Or usually there's more than one around. They don't travel alone unless it's a rogue male or whatever. I don't know.
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B
Yeah, like I said, it seems to be the case. Most people don't stick around long enough even in your encounter. It's like, you know, most people just want to leave and get away from.
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A
Took us a while even to get out of there because we were so scared. And we had, you know, this was kind of dangerous territory. We were. We were fixing to have to go back down. So we. We had. We. We stayed there for a long time to kind of gather ourselves before we even left. But there's no way we were heading in that direction. And the direction that it was headed makes me think. So as we're going up the side of this mountain, following this off trail, we're on the left side as we're going up. Okay. And to our left and back behind us is where the main waterfall is. That's where all the people are, the trail, the main trails behind us and to our left. And that's the direction that this thing had to have came from because of the way that it. Because of the direction it was pointing when I got there, the side of the creek it was sitting on when I got there, and then the direction it kept going when it left. So I wonder if it had been. It had to have been a lot closer to everybody else before it got to where it was at. Unless it had done some kind of big crazy circle or something. But yeah, the direction it was going, it was. If it. If it kept going in the same direction it was headed, it was going to cross over Blue ridge Parkway pretty quick and then just head on off into the mountains. But yeah, it came from the direction of the main waterfall, where there's 50 people down there, probably.
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B
Can I ask you, Weston, what was kind of your take about Bigfoot prior to this encounter at that time?
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A
It's kind of ironic because I didn't believe that they existed at that time, but I had never looked into it at all. I always have prided myself on kind of being a critical thinker and a skeptic, but I did not do my due Diligence in this subject at all. I just knew that science disregards it. And most people you talk to think it's a joke. That's kind of. I just kind of left it at that. And that's what I thought. But, dude, I just wish everybody would take drop, take a couple of months and look into it because there's mountains of overwhelming evidence that these things exist. We put people in prison for life and we put people to death all the time on way less evidence. An eyewitness is all you need for that. And look at all the evidence there is for these things. It's just. But anyway, regardless of my encounter, just the evidence alone should convince everyone. If you just take the time to look into it, there's plenty of evidence there. I didn't believe it before I had the encounter, but after the encounter I got really crazy into it and just. That's all I did for the next, I don't know, few years, was just really trying to figure out what these things are and what they do and why we aren't taught about them in school. Why does everyone think they don't exist? We actually call. We didn't know who to talk to about it, so we called the forestry department and they told us we saw a bear. And it was just the most frustrating conversation I've ever had with anybody because they just kept trying to convince us we saw a bear. They knew we didn't see a damn bear. And I didn't know who to talk to about it. So that's who we called. And it's just ridiculous. I don't understand why everyone doesn't know about this with the evidence that there is, all the encounters, hundreds of thousands of eyewitnesses, what the hell? But yeah, I didn't believe before it happened. And not only do I believe, now you know, I know they exist. So like I said, we went every weekend we were somewhere camping and hiking. It took us a good six months probably to get back out in the. To get back out in the. On the trails and stuff. I mean, it was. It was rough there for a while.
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B
What did your wife think? What was the conversation like afterwards?
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A
She couldn't talk for a long time about it and didn't want to talk about it. We didn't talk about it hardly at all. On the way home. I wanted to. I wanted to talk about it. What the hell? That. That was a freaking bigfoot. Yeah, I wanted to talk about it. She didn't want to talk about it. So we didn't talk about it on the way home and it took her a couple of days before she would start talking to me about it. She was, she was scared, man. She. It's the most scared either one of us has ever been. And dude, it's. It's world view shattering to see one of these things. You know, it. It flips everything upside down. It takes a while to comprehend it and, and figure out how you feel about it. So we didn't talk about it for a few days. And then, then we, then we did. We started talking about it and we, we both researched it together and kind of got into it and it turned out to be a good experience in the end. But man, at the time it sure the hell wasn't. It's the fear of the unknown. You're not. You're seeing something that's not supposed to be there. You're told doesn't exist. Well, there it is, man, and it's huge, like I said. And you know, the size of these things, you just cannot describe it to people. You have to be there. You have to see it. And dude, it's scary. I mean, it's, it's a scary thing to be around. And it's. It's just hardwired into us to be afraid of something that can just rip you apart if it wants to. When you're in the ocean and you see a shark, you automatically are scared because you know what it can do. But that's, that's known animals. You're still scared of those. The ones that, you know what. This thing's unknown. You don't know what it's gonna do, but you know what it can do if it wants to.
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B
Yeah, it's the unknown and it's their size. Of course. In that moment, did you know what you were looking at? I mean, did you know it was a Sasquatch? Or were you thinking, I don't know what in the world this thing is?
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A
Yeah, there was a little bit of I don't know what this is. Especially as it was. Especially as it has back turned to me crouched there. I just knew it was big and it wasn't anything I'd ever seen before. When it turned around and looked at us at first I thought. I mean, the first thing went through my head is that somebody in a really good costume trying to scare the hell out of us. But that thought was immediately squashed because it was just. That was. That was more laughable than this thing actually being there standing in front of us. And it was obviously real. So at the point when it was sitting there looking at us and I, and I had realized it is real, I knew what it was. I knew exactly what it was at that point and felt stupid for, for making a joke of it.
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B
You know, Weston, I ask everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch is 10 years later after this encounter? What do you think that these things are?
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A
Well, I think, like I said, I think there's a couple of things that are kind of obvious. I think they're a flesh and blood animal and I think they're a hominid, which means a great ape. But other than that, I don't want to speculate, man. I don't know if they're, I don't know if they're related, more closely related to us in the evolutionary line. I would, I would assume so based on how they move and how they, how they're able to walk upright and. But until we, until we have one in our garage. Right. We don't know, but I think it's kind of obvious they're flesh and blood and a primate. Right, Is what I would. I think you can, I think you can safely say those two things, at least. As far as. Other than that, I don't really want to speculate because I don't know.
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B
Yeah, I would agree with you. I mean, they are a primate. They have two arms, two legs, they stand like a man, and they're definitely physical. People aren't running into a ghost. I just think there's probably more to that story on what they are. If you had the chance, would you want to see another one?
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A
Yes, but I would want it to. Let's, let's, let's use the Shark Tank analogy. If there was some way of, of getting that out there where I know this thing can't get to me. Yeah, I'd love to see one man, even though it was so scary looking. If I, if I had a way to make it safe where I could, where I could observe. I want to know what they do. I want to know how they live. How, how do they, how are they so elusive? How, what. Now that I know that they're there, I'm not worried about are they there anymore. I want to know now. I want to know the what and the how and, and, and everything else about how they, how they make their living.
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B
Yeah, you and me both. You know, last question I want to ask you, Weston, and I know you've heard the Sierra sounds that Ron Moorhead record recorded, you know, when you listen to some of his recordings, like when they're fighting over food, it sounds like an, it sounds like animals. It sounds like monkeys fighting over food. But when you hear the clip of when Ron is mimicking them, to me, it sounds like some weird language. I mean, when you think of, like a gorilla or any other primate on the planet, they don't vocalize like that. And when you hear that, I know some of it is in my intro and I don't have the clip ready to play for you, but I know you've heard it before when you listen to it. It sounds like almost like people, like a language when they're talking. What's your take on that?
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A
I, I agree it does sound like a language, but I, I think that if you look into their skeletal structure and their makeup, on what it has to be. I know we don't know exactly, but they, they're built a lot like us, so the way that they're, the way their head is situated on their shoulders, they've got to have the vocal cords to do it. So I think that they probably do have, have the, I, I, I don't hate speculating like this, man, because I don't know, but I, I, it's just all opinions here, right? So, yeah, my opinion is I, I agree with you. I think they have a language and they can use it when they want to, but they can also make a lot of other sounds that make them sound a lot more monkey like, as opposed to ape like. I think they have some crazy vocal cords, man. They can, they can do that. You can teach a chimpanzee to say a few words, but it can't do the, the chatter. You're talking to the samurai. Chatter, whatever they call it. A chimpanzee just doesn't have the vocal cords for that, but these things do, obviously. So, and you, you, you know, you listen to, you listen to Bob talk about it, he'll tell you they have a language. Everybody that's heard them. And you've heard it, I think. Have you, have you heard them do this?
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B
I've heard it one time in my life, and it was when I was in Texas. And it sounded like it didn't sound like animals. It reminded me of, like, two neighbors, like two family groups, two neighbors, like, yelling back and forth at each other. It was fascinating to listen to. It was a little creepy as well.
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A
Just the clips of some of those demonic, like, sounds they make, you know, that's so freaking scary. I've never heard it. It's, I would love to hear it, but I, yeah, I agree with you, man. I think they. I think they're talking to each other, dude.
- [57:28]
B
Yeah, I have no doubt in my mind that they're talking to each other. Even when you listen to the Sarah sounds, and I've been trying to, like, clean them up. There's a section in there where you hear this little one going. It's like talking. And then the big one, you can. You can tell from the audio placement it's talking directly to the young one. And even in that recording, you hear Ron and I don't think it was Alberry. I think it was one of the brothers saying, they talk to each other, then they talk to us. It's fascinating stuff, man. It's a scary encounter that you and your wife had, and I really appreciate. Appreciate you taking the time to come on and share it. I really enjoyed chatting with you, ma'.
- [58:14]
A
Am. Yeah, man. Thank you for. For having me on. I've never had an intelligent conversation about this with anyone, and that's. That's a lot my fault. I know there's a lot of groups and things like that I could join. I just have a. I just have a crippling social anxiety when it comes to those kinds of things. So a lot of the interests that I have I don't get to talk about with anybody because I'm so freaking anxious socially. So I appreciate it, man. It was a good, comfortable conversation.
- [58:44]
B
Yeah. And I enjoyed it as well. Thank you again, Weston. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is wesasquatchchronicles.com and if you get a chance, check out sasquatch chronicles.com you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.
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A
With the lights on this is my
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B
home Place your eye Memories of you dear Unden your eyes Closer the sky I miss my memories of you Deep
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A
lighter the light
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B
grew whiter. Quieter with the lights on this is my home Closer memories of you dear. Memories of you dear. I miss my memories of you.
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A
Sam, For money,
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B
I found the k.
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A
You are. Sam.