SC EP:1272 The Epic of Esau

Summary

Sasquatch Chronicles – SC EP:1272 “The Epic of Esau” (July 6, 2026)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Sasquatch Chronicles features guest Justin Brown, author of The Epic of Esau and host of the Prometheus Lens podcast. The main theme is an exploration of Justin’s theory that the biblical figure Esau, described as “red and hairy,” could be a historical origin for Sasquatch legend. The discussion dives into the intersection of biblical history, fringe cryptid research, genetic anomalies, and mythology. Much of the episode centers on the plausibility and challenges of connecting Esau to the Sasquatch phenomenon, analyzed through both scripture and extra-biblical literature.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. American Hospitality & World Cup Reflections

[00:00–02:44]

• Warm opening about positive international experiences in the US, particularly featuring a group of Scottish visitors in Boston.
• Highlights the generosity and friendliness encountered, countering negative stereotypes.
• “Never had an experience in a restaurant anywhere in the world… I feel at home and I feel gutted to be leaving.” (Justin Brown, 01:26)
• Sets a tone of cultural appreciation and personal storytelling before pivoting to Bigfoot encounters.

2. Anecdotal Sasquatch Encounters

[03:30–04:52]

• Tense witness account of a “figure bent over in a deer blind,” described as impossibly large and moving unnaturally.
• “They were screaming at each other in gibberish… It sounded like a language. And they were chuntering away… I know what a bear looks like, and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears.” (Justin Brown, 03:58)

3. Introduction of Guest & Book Premise

[07:10–10:14]

• Wes introduces Justin Brown, who shares his podcast's aims—exploring fringe topics, cryptids, and biblical mysteries through a Christian worldview.
• Justin’s book connects Esau, a biblical character “covered in hair,” with the roots of Sasquatch legend, using biblical, historical, and genetic research.

4. The Esau–Sasquatch Hypothesis

[10:14–18:11]

• Justin recounts being struck by Genesis 25:25: “The first one came out red, covered in hair from head to toe, like a hairy cloak.”

• He notes parallels with other “wild man” figures like Enkidu in the Epic of Gilgamesh.

• Delves into extra-biblical texts (Book of Jasher, Legends of the Jews), which depict Esau battling Nimrod for “supernatural garments” and suggest possible Nephilim (giant) lineage.

  “Not only does he sound like a Sasquatch, the ancient texts depict [Esau] as a Nephilim serpent seed… His bloodline marries into Nephilim giant clans, interbreeds with them. The Amalekites—meaning the ‘blood lickers’—were known sorcerers and shapeshifters.” (Justin Brown, 12:58)

• Wes challenges the theory, noting that “beyond being hairy,” biblical descriptions fall short of matching modern Sasquatch reports, and Esau’s story doesn’t fully align with the cryptid’s features.

5. Science, Genetics, and ‘Wild Men’

[16:35–21:57]

• Justin addresses possible scientific explanations—hypertrichosis (genetic condition causing excessive hair growth); references historical figures like Pedro Gonzalez and his notably hairy family.
• Suggests that “wild men” legends from around the world (with feral, hairy outcasts) could have roots in real genetic mutations.
• “I think it’s quite possible that these people that were born with this deformity were outcasts… They banded together to live and survive. If they interbred, you’re making more of these feral people. And some of them might have been giants.” (Justin Brown, 19:35)

6. Analyzing Sasquatch Physicality vs. Biblical Esau

[21:57–34:55]

• Wes: “There’s a lot more to Sasquatch than just being hairy… Everything about a Sasquatch and how it’s proportioned is nothing like a human.” (Wes, 32:01)
• Justin admits genetic mutations are random and may “skip generations,” explaining that not all descendants would be hairy giants, but says extra-biblical texts indicate Esau’s close ties to Nephilim bloodlines and “serpent seed” mythology.

7. Biblical Narratives, Extra-Biblical Accounts, and Speculation

[34:55–53:42]

• Discussion on the broader traditions and myths around Esau, Amalekites, and ancient enemies of Israel, including their alleged sorcery, shapeshifting, and practices believed to prefigure “hairy demons.”
• Argument over the fidelity and reliability of non-canonical Jewish and Christian texts; Wes cautions against taking these writings at face value.
  • “Be careful with these outside texts because I think there’s a lot of things in these ancient texts that are made up… It’s interesting to read, but… I would just kind of be careful.” (Wes, 50:02)
• Justin: “I try to use the Bible as my foundation… I try my best to tell you up front, this is my belief because XYZ… It is highly speculative… but I try to give the references and show the work of how I got there.” (Justin Brown, 51:15)

Notable moment:

• “If it was literally just a hairy man, why did they need to kill a goat and wrap his brother’s arm in goat’s hair to fool his blind father?” (Justin Brown, 34:55)

8. Concluding Thoughts & Book Overview

[53:42–56:47]

• Book covers global “wild man” legends, biblical stories, genetic science, and culture (e.g., European Krampus, Welsh woodwoses).
• “I treated this book like a hero’s journey. I packed my knapsack and I took off… and recorded all my findings along the way.” (Justin Brown, 53:42)
• Wes expresses interest in reading the book, despite disagreements.
• Justin shares plans for a future book and thanks Wes for fulfilling a “bucket list” podcast appearance.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “I hope you all lose your passport so you don’t have to leave us!” (Justin Brown, 00:47)
• “The first one came out red, covered in hair from head to toe, like a hairy cloak… that sounds like a Sasquatch.” (Justin Brown, 10:41)
• “I think that at creation, God created everything perfect. And then at Genesis 6, you had the fallen angels come down and breed with the daughters of men… In my opinion, a random mutation, and therefore it sometimes skips generations…” (Justin Brown, 22:54)
• “What people are describing is something 8 to 10 feet tall… all of its proportions are nothing like a man.” (Wes, 31:00)
• “I just took the commonalities… from the descriptions we get, I think that this guy (Esau) fits that, but… when you go to the genealogies, I think these random genes, this mutation… created something new.” (Justin Brown, 34:55)
• “You’re not going to mistake that for a hairy man.” (Justin Brown, on the goat hair episode, 35:53)
• “I try to use the Bible as my foundation… If I found something interesting, I looked at the scripture, and tried to fit it in like a puzzle piece… If it didn’t contradict, that’s a keeper.” (Justin Brown, 51:15)
• “This is one of my bucket lists… glad to actually sit down and conversate with you and get to know you a little bit. I’ve had a good time.” (Justin Brown, 56:38)

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Topic Timestamps

• Opening reflections → 00:00–02:44
• Sasquatch encounter recounting → 03:30–04:52
• Guest intro & podcast/book basic premise → 07:10–10:14
• Esau–Sasquatch theory & textual parallels → 10:14–18:11
• Genetic science, hypertrichosis & wild men → 16:35–21:57
• Physicality argument—Sasquatch vs. human → 21:57–34:55
• Debate: biblical narrative vs. mythic speculation → 34:55–53:42
• Book summary, global legends & closing → 53:42–56:47

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Overall Tone & Takeaway

This episode is a lively, good-natured debate between reverent speculation and critical skepticism. Justin presents an expansive collection of myths, scientific tidbits, and biblical lore as a basis for his theory, while Wes pushes back—championing a rigorous, evidence-driven approach rooted in eyewitness testimony and textual fidelity. Both agree that the topic is speculative yet fascinating, and the conversation is emblematic of the open-minded, yet critical spirit of Sasquatch Chronicles.

Recommended for listeners interested in:

• The confluence of cryptid mystery, ancient mythology, and biblical narrative
• Theories of wild men, Nephilim, and genetic human anomalies
• Open discussion of speculative, “fringe” Bigfoot origins

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Guest & Book Links:

• The Epic of Esau by Justin Brown (Available on [Amazon] and [PrometheusLensPodcast.com])
• Prometheus Lens podcast (available on all major platforms)

If you’ve had an encounter, reach out to Wes at [e-mail].

Transcript

[Wes]

Happy birthday, America. You know, I'm so glad the World cup came to the usa. People from all around the world coming here to experience my home, my country. The media around the world, in Canada, in the uk, In Australia, and most of Europe will say, don't go to America. It's dangerous. Americans are rude. Americans are not welcoming. I know you're lying. You know you're lying. But don't take my word for it.

[Justin Brown]

I have never in my life had as much fun as I did this weekend. We need the Scots to come more.

[Unknown Narrator]

We need them.

[Justin Brown]

We need them here every hell. I hope you all lose your passport so you don't have to leave us. Because it was the most fun I've ever had with anybody in my life. He just covered the whole mail. The guy that we were speaking to there, I think you.

[Wes]

You could hear him, but he said

[Justin Brown]

he covered our food. He wanted to cover our food.

[Wes]

He took care of it. Like he.

[Justin Brown]

He didn't let us pay. You just wouldn't get that anywhere else.

[Wes]

Zero chance. Zero chance.

[Justin Brown]

Never had an experience in a restaurant

[Wes]

anywhere in the world. At home, abroad, anywhere.

[Justin Brown]

I feel at home and I feel

[Wes]

gutted to be leaving. I never want you, the American people,

[Justin Brown]

to forget the amazing POS impact that you have had on so many people

[Wes]

around the globe, how your kindness has

[Justin Brown]

made people not want to leave this great country. You have been so welcoming to so many people from all around the world. They're the nicest people in the world that are so open to, like, chatting and all that and like, hearing about, like, our culture and our history and all that kind of stuff, and they're just really, really nice.

[Wes]

Yeah, we've had such opening arms, and we've been so welcomed into the city of Boston that it just. It's hard to sit there and think Americans are bad, because every single person I've met that's American has been unbelievable. They've been so welcoming. They've been so supportive of Scotland.

[Justin Brown]

Guy bought us dinner the other day. We were at Quincy Market and he was just like, you're Scottish. Love the fact that you're in the city. He bought you guys dinner? Yeah, bought all of our dinners. We went to pay and the guy was like, no, it's not even paid for.

[Wes]

So nice. Some of my friends just arrived this morning, so they went for a beer this morning, went up to pay for it. A lady already paid the beer for her. That is friendship.

[Justin Brown]

You know, we're hearing a lot of that.

[Wes]

Happy birthday, America. Never forget how awesome this country is and how blessed we really are. But sometimes it's nice to hear it from friends who are visiting.

[Justin Brown]

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. And it either heard me or smelt me. And he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up.

[Unknown Narrator]

And that. That shocked me.

[Justin Brown]

They don't make people that.

[Unknown Narrator]

That big.

[Justin Brown]

The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the. I've never seen anything move like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language. And they were chuntering away. Back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears.

[Unknown Narrator]

Nine, one, one.

[Justin Brown]

What are you reporting? Jesus Christ.

[Unknown Narrator]

You better. See ya.

[Wes]

Hello.

[Unknown Narrator]

Get somebody out here.

[Justin Brown]

What's going on now?

[Unknown Narrator]

Sir, that son of a is about 6 foot 9.

[Justin Brown]

I don't know. Do you see him now, sir?

[Unknown Narrator]

Yes, I'm looking right at him.

[Wes]

Oh yeah.

[Justin Brown]

This is the macho man and you're listening to the cream of the drop. Yeah.

[Wes]

Podcast Sasquatch Chronicles. You know Boston can't claim the Scottish, right? Maybe they'd like to come see the west coast. You guys are like hogging them over there in Boston. It's crazy when the Scots left, it's like almost like a depression fell over the city. Everyone seemed kind of bummed out. Like the life of the party just left. I guess it really is true what they say. No Scotland, no party. Welcome to the show everyone. Thanks for being here Tonight we're going to be chatting with Justin Brown. He wrote a book, the Epic of Esau, probably over the last five years or so. This whole notion of Sasquatch coming from Esau, it's probably in the top 10 questions I get and I really don't see it. But I welcome Justin to the show and I'm open minded enough to have my mind changed. So he'll be going into the book and kind of the research that he found. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is wesasquatchchronicles.com and if you get a chance check out sasquatch chronicles.com you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it. Tonight I want to welcome Justin to the show. Justin, thanks for coming on.

[Justin Brown]

Hey Wes, thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

[Wes]

Yeah, I'm excited to have you on, man. And I really Want to get into this book that you wrote, the Epic of Esau. I know that you have your own podcast, YouTube channel, if you would kind of give us a summary of your podcast and where people can find it.

[Justin Brown]

Hey, no, Wes, I really appreciate you having me on, man. This was one of my bucket list shows. So I'm really excited to be here with you today, man. But yeah, my show is called the Prometheus Lens podcast. If you search Prometheus Lens, it'll bring up a gun from that hit video game Destiny. So make sure you put Prometheus Lens podcast on there. But anywhere you consume content, Apple, Spotify, Spreaker, YouTube, same thing with the social medias, all those platforms, anywhere you can consume content, you can find my show. But my show, I've kind of coined it as the the Hero's Journey. You have to go into the unknown. You have to slay the dragon, rescue the damsel, hoard up the treasure, and then if all your cards are played right, you come out on the other end as a hero. But then you know your hero's journey is not over. Because in all great stories and mythologies, you have to deliver this prize of great wealth that you have attained on your journey and share it with humanity for the betterment of the world. I really loved that idea, especially reading through Joseph Campbell's books and stuff. So I kind of just kind of base my show off of that. I am a Christian. My show is not a ministry per se. It does act that way to certain people. But I just love covering Cryptids, Bigfoot, ancient lost civilizations, giants, all the cool fringy, weird stuff in the Bible and take all those things and I kind of filter them through my worldview, which happens to be a Christian worldview. And the Bible tells us that his people suffer from lack of knowledge and that fire is the symbol of knowledge. So therefore my goal is to steal the fire from the enemy and use it for the the betterment of mankind, like any good hero should do.

[Wes]

Yeah, I hear you. You know you wrote this book, the Epic of Esau. Where can people get this book? I think I saw it on Amazon.

[Justin Brown]

Yeah, it's a self published book. You can get it directly from me from my website, Prometheuslenspodcast.com get you a signed copy. And I usually hand out a smorgasbord of stickers and custom bookmarks and things like that. A little goodie bag to encourage you to get it directly from me. But if you want to give Jeff Bezos some more money by all means you can go to Amazon and find it there in digital copy, hard copy, and also in audible. And it's no AI stuff, it's me reading it to you. So I just warn everybody. I got that smooth southern twang that will put people to sleep. So just don't listen to me after 8pm or you won't retain any of the information.

[Wes]

Yeah, well, tell us a little bit about the book and kind of your thoughts on why Esau or Sasquatch is a descendant of Esau.

[Justin Brown]

Yeah, honestly, we were kind of talking pre roll. I was never a real big Bigfoot enthusiast. You know, I'm from the Appalachian Mountains, East Tennessee. So I mean the, the Bigfoot lore and legends and stories and stuff and the symbology is all around me. So I mean, I had a good 30,000 foot view of Bigfoot and Sasquatch, but what you would call an enthusiast. But one day I was just studying and I was reading through the book of Genesis, got to the birth of Esau. And that's Genesis 25:25. And it says the first one came out red, covered in hair from head to toe, like a hairy cloak. And it just, I mean, I grew up in church most of my life, heard that story and just never really read it like that. But just all of a sudden it hit me different. I was like, man, that sounds like a Sasquatch. You know, if we took that description and say we met this person that fits that description in the Bible, I think without hesitation with our modern vernacular, we would say we seen a Bigfoot or a Sasquatch. And I thought that was strange. But I was studying and doing some other shows and just a string of events happened that kind of sent me on this journey. I had went through the Epic of Gilgamesh with Gary Wayne on the show and bump into this hairy dude covered in hair named Enkidu. It sounds just a lot like Esau. He was a mighty hunter, also covered in hair. And. And I'm like, here's another one of these Sasquatch sounding guys in history. And it maybe might have been a week or two weeks after that I stumbled into the Book of Jasher. And in there it talks about Esau and he battles Nimrod and it says that he battles him to the death for the supernatural garments from the garden of God. And I was like, dude, this guy's a lot more interesting than what I've been taught or told. My obsessive compulsiveness kicked in. So then I'm like, I need to Find out everything I can about this guy. And it did. It kicked me off. I went through Lewis Ginsburg Legends of the Jews. That's a six book series where Ginsburg gathered all the legends and mythology and stuff around the Jewish people and compiled them. Read almost every single ancient extra biblical book that I could get my hands on. And I just started finding pieces West. So this guy's story like busted up throughout all these different texts. So then I just went on a treasure hunt. I started gathering them up and putting them together. And if it fit into the biblical narrative and answered questions and filled in gaps, I kept it. If not, I threw it over my shoulder and kept going. And it was just a two year deep dive that resulted in this book. And I think that I have found, I mean, the complete story of this enigmatic character of the Bible. And we'll get into some details, but just like quick overviews. Not only does he sound like a Sasquatch, the ancient texts depict him as a nephilim serpent seed. His bloodline lineages he marries into Nephilim giant clans, interbreeds with them. Verse the Amalekite race whose etymology of their name means the Blood Lickers. And they were known sorcerers and shape shifters, the texts say. So yeah, man, it was a wild ride for sure.

[Wes]

Yeah. Kind of sell me on why you're so convinced that Sasquatch comes from Esau. I mean, everything he said there is true. The Bible doesn't actually say that Esau killed Nimrod. It is in the book of Jasser. And it kind of makes sense because Esau traveled, I can't remember the distance. It was like the me going from the bottom of Washington State all the way to the top on foot and coming back. And after killing Nimrod and supposedly taking these cloaks, you kind of, you understand why he would come back and not really care about his birthright. He just wanted something to eat. In the story, in the Bible, it doesn't really make sense, but when you add that portion, all of a sudden it starts to make sense. Esau thought he was going to become the next Nimrod. But through your research, what convinces you so much that Esau has anything to do with Sasquatch like you?

[Justin Brown]

When I read that trading of the birthright, that never made sense to me because it's like, you know, modern terms, it's like your father is Donald Trump. You're the eldest son, you're next in line. So the millions or billions of dollars and all the companies, everything's going to be yours. But you, you come in one day from real estate deals with your dad and find your younger brother sitting on the couch eating a bag of Doritos and you're like, hey man, I'm starving, give me some of those Doritos. And he's like, yeah, sure, but you're going to trade me the company and everything, you're going to inherit? Hell no. I mean nobody, nobody would do that. So that made no sense to me. But when you tied in that story. Yeah, he just killed the king. He's on the run. It said that him and two of his gibborim, which is the same word used to describe the Nephilim giants, he battled all three of them to the death and killed them all. So he probably sustained some life threatening injuries, was on the run from killing the king. He was desperate. So I mean that's why in Genesis he makes that comment, you know, what use is a birthright to me when I'm dead? Take it. You know, so and also the, the Old Testament mentions Jasher several times. So we know it's a book they had. But yeah, but far as the Bigfoot, just face value. I had read that account of his birth and I'm like, man, that sounds like a Sasquatch.

[Wes]

I know when they describe him at birth he was very hairy and even up until adulthood, even the Bible describes him as being very hairy. But there might be medical conditions that are causing that. I don't know that I'd really go, well that, you know, based on that he's Sasquatch. In your book, did you do any research with regard to, you know, I've seen hairy babies being born. I mean, did you go into any of that?

[Justin Brown]

Yes, and that's something I dove on in the book. I got several chapters on it. Because me, I know a lot of people, as soon as they hear Bigfoot, you know, or some, something supernatural or quote woo woo, they immediately, you know, turn it off, they shut off, they don't even hear what you have to say. So in this book I wanted to cover all aspects. You know, like any good researcher, I wanted to try to lay all the cards out on the table and show you what I found and why I think a certain way. And that was part of it because I wanted to see what science had to say about it. And they do, they have something to say about this. But a lot they turn their mind off and don't listen and, or research things out. But science, they call it hypertrichosis. And I found this out man, it blew my mind that when we are in the womb, we are all covered in hair, and it's called Lugano hair. And then your DNA coding at a certain time tells your body to shed that hair. And so they theorize that there's some kind of malfunction in the genetic coding that tells these people not to shed the hair. So therefore, they're born covered in hair. And there's been plenty of historically documented people attested to that. And one famous one is Pedro Gonzalez. And if anybody ever searches this guy up, he looks, I mean, straight up like the. The dad from Teen Wolf. You remember that show? He looks exactly like that cat,

[Wes]

but

[Justin Brown]

he's dressed in noble clothing. And they got all these paintings of him. And his story is basically, he was abandoned as a young boy because you got to think ancient times, you know, some kid born covered in hair, that. That's a demon child, that's a Satan seed, you know, so they were either killed or taken out into the woods and left for wolves to eat them or something like that, because it was seen as demonic. And so this Pedro guy, he was abandoned, but he ended up making it on his own, living in the woods and the streets, and he was captured and basically given to the King of France as a. Like a birthday gift. But luckily for Pedro, you know, most people in his case either was murdered, left out in the woods to die, or sold into freak shows and traveling carnivals. So for him to get put into a king's court, I mean, as cruel as it sounds to us today, it was a good thing for him. And luckily, the king loved him like a son. It said he raised him just like a son, sent him to school to be a lawyer, all this kind of stuff. And even in his will wrote that Pedro would get a piece of land, a castle. They arranged for him a marriage with this woman named Elizabeth, and they end up having children together. And two out of their three children were covered in hair from head to toe. And they were little girls, and they depicted them in pink dresses. And a lot of people believes that this story, this historically documented, real story, is the basis for the Disney story Beauty and the Beast. And so I'm like, okay, this fits the description of what we would call a Bigfoot. When you see the picture of that guy, if he didn't have on all the noble clothes and stuff, you'd be like, oh, dude, that's a Bigfoot. And there's so many in which my mind escapes me because this book's almost two years old now. But I got several of them listed in there and documented with their pictures and paintings and stuff. So I was like, okay, if these people were born and they thought they were, you know, of the devil, right, and took them out in the woods to fend for themselves and all the wild man stories, you know, it blew my mind, Wes. Like I said, I was never an enthusiast, but when I started looking, you find these stories of these wild men all over the world. But, like, the common thing is that they raid towns, they come in in the middle of the night, they steal the chickens, the eggs, and the grain. And sometimes they steal a woman and ra her, you know, and she comes back, or if she comes back, she delivers a child covered in hair. I think it's quite possible that these people that were born with this deformity were outcasts. And if they did end up making it on in the woods, just like the homeless population, they banded together to live and survive, and they interbred. So therefore, you're making more of these. These feral people. And some of them might have been giants, you know, I mean, really tall. And I think that's kind of how the. The wild man story takes off. And then through that, you know, Bigfoot is born, in my opinion. But there was one, and actually, I'll flip through here and find it. There was one described that he was covered in hair and that he was extremely tall, and that he and his children also had dental problems. And with so many of the Nephilim stories, you know, you hear about the double row of teeth and the dental issues and stuff that they had, and the elongated skulls and things like that. I thought that that was interesting that here was a guy covered in hair, had several children that were covered in hair. But he was also described as a giant. Like, he was, like, 7 foot tall.

[Wes]

I guess when I look at it, I think there's a lot more to Sasquatch in just its appearance than being hairy. You know, the way they're proportioned. They're not even proportioned like a modern human. People describe their arm length there. I mean, I could go on and on and on, but it's more than just being hairy. And Esau actually birthed many different nations. And one of the nations was the Edomites, you know, King Herod. He was an Edomite. He was the puppet king that was installed by Rome. And there's nothing in scripture that describes him looking like a Sasquatch. So when Sasquatch gives birth, why wouldn't those genetics. And we're just talking about Hairs, I guess, at this point. But why wouldn't those genetics pass on to Esau's children?

[Justin Brown]

Yeah, and see, that's the thing too is like, I'm no expert in genetics, you know, but like, what I have seen and what little bit I do know that mutations are always random. You know, the, the all mutations ever recorded, they're just random. You know, it's like a Forrest Gump in the box of chocolates. You know, you never know what you're going to get. And even drawing back to my analogy with Teen Wolf, if you remember the story, he's going to high school and he starts having these changes and stuff happen. He tries to suppress them and hide it because he thinks he's a freak. And then one night at a full moon, he fully wolfs out and his dad's beating on the door and demands him to open the door. And if we remember that iconic scene, he whips open that door and there's his dad standing, fully wolfed out, too. He was like, you two, you knew and you didn't tell me. I think his response was pretty telling because he says this sort of thing tends to skip generations. He said, and we were hoping that it had skipped you. And that is with also we. We see with genetics and also with these, these wild men that I talked about. You know, Pedro, not all of his children had it. It was just. Once again, it was a mutation and it was random. It just. 2 out of the 3 got the random mutation. And I think that's what that is. It kind of skips, you know, and randomly selects people because it's like a. What's the word I'm looking for? It is a random mutation embedded into the DNA or the bloodline that may skip three, four generations. And then, boom, you have one anomaly that boom, pops up and gets that hairy gene. So I think that's what that is. I think that at creation, you know, God created everything perfect. And then at Genesis 6, you know, you had the, the fallen angels come down and breathe with the daughters of men. They infiltrated that, that bloodline and they threw in, in my opinion, a. A random mutation. And therefore it. It sometimes skips generations. It pops up randomly. It doesn't make like a whole race. So the way I see it is like that. That's how I see this. I see it as a random mutation. So therefore it doesn't just make complete tribes or populations of hairy feral giants, but it kind of skips around and randomly picks. And of course, as bloodlines go, you know, the Theory of entropy tells us that nothing gets better over time. It only gets worse and it dilutes and gets weaker. And that's what I think happened here. Because thank God for people like Gary Wayne, that dives through the boring genealogies, you know, because I would have never found this if it wasn't for Gary. But Esau, he's described as this, you know, hairy, quote unquote man, you know, and what I said, you know, it kind of matches the description of, of a Bigfoot or what we would call a Bigfoot. And he doesn't talk about his size, but if he was big enough and strong enough to take out Nimrod and two other Gibbo Rim, that would to me imply his size and strength. He was known as the mighty hunter. So I think that he was this. Well, I guess maybe what the ancients would have called a feral giant. He's this big man covered in hair and what some people refer to as like a serpent seed guy. I think when you get into Genesis, that whole thing about the tree was an allegory for a sexual act because they partake of this tree. And you got to get into the original languages because it gets lost in the English. But it says that Eve partakes of this tree. And the English, a lot of them says, and she eats. Well, that same Hebrew word can be translated to enjoys. So she partakes of this tree and enjoys immediately after. What do they do? They cover their sexual reproductive organs. Then the curses, all the curses have to do with sexual reproduction. The woman's cursed with painful childbearing. She's cursed with painful menstrual cramps. He would put enmity between her seed and thy seed talking to the serpent. So it's saying that he's going to have a seed. And when you look at Cain and Abel, their names, when you get into the etymology, is pretty telling, I think, because Cain, his name in the root meanings of the word means acquired. He was acquired. And Abel, his name, means breath. And his father Adam was a lifeless being until the breath of life entered his body. So when you go through there, that's the same narrative as Genesis 6. Angels coming down, breeding with the daughters of men, making Nephilim giants. So when we read that account, this is in Genesis just a few verses later, and think, this is an ancient scroll. There wasn't chapters. There wasn't. You know, it's just a. A flowing story. So after that event in the garden, you know, putting enmity between the two, one would bruise one's head, one would bruise the other's heel. Then you have this birth of Esau, and his angel shows up and says, two nations, two peoples are in your womb. They battle amongst each other and there's enmity between the two. Well, that's echoing the curse at the garden. And then when they're born, first one comes out red, covered in hair from head to toe, like a hairy cloak, looking just like a fertility God, a wild man. And then it gives this detail, you know, for him to exit the womb, his foot has to press on Jacob's head, thus bruising the head. But then it says, Jacob is clutching his heel, bruising the heel. You're not going to get a more Polaroid picture, in my opinion, of the curse from the garden of Genesis 3:15 than his birth. So I think that's what it's insinuating there, that this was an insertion of another, you know, fallen angel DNA strand. And the ancient texts, like I mentioned earlier, Ginsburg, legends of the Jews and Jasher and some of these others, they come right out and say it. They say that Esau had a guardian angel, that his guardian angel was Samael, and that Jacob had a guardian angel and his guardian angel was Michael, and that even Esau was born with a serpent's branding.

[Wes]

Can I ask you, Justin, if someone were to say to you, what does a Sasquatch look like? What would you say?

[Justin Brown]

I guess just from like, that's the thing too. It's like in my book, it's not so cut and dry, you know, like I said, I kind of just come into this space. But. But you have the physicality side where people describe this huge humanoid creature covered in hair, looks like a huge hairy human. And then the other side, you know, you have what some people have stemmed the woo camp. They talk about having mind speak, infrasound orbs, portals, phasing in and out of reality, that sort of thing. But then at the same time, you have a physicality to it because people see it. Scott Carpenter, you know, found that hair and they had DNA tested, they got all the footprints that they found and stuff.

[Wes]

What I mean is I, I think you're going into abilities. I'm just talking about physical appearance. Like when you think about a Sasquatch, what do you think?

[Justin Brown]

Yeah, I guess. I mean, with me, I mean, I've. I've not had, you know, a physical encounter with one. But just from the stories and stuff I've heard, to me would be like what I've been talking about today. To me, I think it would Be just like a. A huge hairy human covered in hair, I guess. I mean, a feral giant, so to speak. I guess is how I would view it.

[Wes]

You know, whether you see a sasquatch or you listen to eyewitness testimony, what people are describing is something 8 to 10ft tall. I'm talking about adults at this point. They are covered in hair. Sometimes people do when they look at the face, they will say it looked very human. Other times they'll say it looked very much like an animal. Their jaw is much larger than a modern human. I've had many eyewitnesses say you could put a softball in this thing's mouth and it could still talk to you. Their eyes are much bigger and kind of sunken into the head. The head shape isn't anything like a modern human. Most eyewitnesses will describe their head as kind of cone shaped. Their arms go down to passini, More like a gorilla than a human. Their knees aren't quite where our knees are at. They're more like down by the shins. Everything about a sasquatch and how it's proportioned is nothing like a human.

[Justin Brown]

We're all guilty of the heat of the moment and getting excited, you know what I mean? To sometimes see things that are not there or exaggerate some truce in the heat of the moment. You know, I mean, I'm not calling them liars, Definitely not doing that. But I'm just saying, like, you know, one, you can get three or four people, be witness to a shooting, and they see this today, and the cops will interview them. All four of them have a dramatically different story. Some people say, oh, the shooter was seven foot tall and had red glowing eyes. Pure evil. He was demonic. And then other people, oh, he was about 5 foot 5, you know, covered in tattoos. And it's just like in moments of high stress and. And your endorphins are flowing, you know what I mean? Adrenaline going sometimes, you know, we tend to kind of maybe exaggerate some things. And I'm not saying that these people are liars. I'm not saying that's what it is. I'm just throwing out, you know, could that come into play with some of the stories? You know, I agree with you.

[Wes]

You know, when people are in fear, they may over exaggerate things. But that, that's a hell of a lot of over exaggerating over hundreds of years. And like I said, when you go and look at the description of what eyewitnesses say, what they're seeing with regard to sasquatch, all of its proportions are nothing like a man. It looks more like a non human primate physically, I'm talking about. And these reports go back hundreds of years. And so when I hear about Esau being covered in hair, and that's people's argument, it takes a lot more than that to convince someone that, yeah, Esau was a Sasquatch, we know who his mom and dad were, we know who is his brother was. And at no point in any description that I'm sure you found describes him like how I'm describing a Sasquatch beyond being hairy. Now, Esau killing Nimrod at this point in his life doesn't impress me that much. And I'll tell you why. Esau's grandfather, Abraham and Nimrod, they knew each other. So at the point that Esau kills Nimrod, he's killing an old man. And in Jaster, I think it says he ambushed him. So Esau killed an old man. I'm sure back in Nimrod's prime, he would have mopped the floor with Esau, but him killing Nimrod really doesn't impress me that much. But again, going beyond just with the fact that Esau was Harry, it seems like there, there would be more. There almost has to be more to it, I guess, for me to buy into it.

[Justin Brown]

I see everything you're saying. I think that all legends have a truth, and then over time they kind of stretch, you know what I mean? And they kind of, they grow, take on the mind of their own. I just took the commonalities, you know, I was like, from the descriptions we get, I think that this guy, you know, fits that, but we don't know his height. But like I said earlier, when you go to the genealogies, I think these, these random genes, this mutation I'm talking about were they were formed and something new was made. You know, maybe it was humanoid, but not quite human, you know, Nephilim in, in the biblical aspect. Because, like when, for instance, it wasn't hyperbole, I mean, he was literally covered in hair that they had to kill a goat and wrap his brother in it to fool his blind father. And it's a goat's fur that's thick, it's oily, that's coarse. I mean that you're not going to mistake that for a hairy man.

[Wes]

What else would you kind of expect them to use during the Bronze Age?

[Justin Brown]

Well, to me, I mean, I wasn't there at the time, but me, if my brother just had a hairy arm, you know, he was just like my hairy uncle. I would have, you know, took hair from my beard and just kind of sprinkled it on there, you know, or hair from my mother or something like that, to simulate more human feeling. Hair that you could actually feel skin and stuff, you know, instead of a goat. I think there was all kinds of options that they could have went for, but I think it was chose with purpose because that was the closest thing to how he. He felt. But when he has his birthright taken from him, he takes three wives. And like I mentioned Gary Wayne, going through the genealogies and stuff, two of them were known Nephilim giant tribes. And his father in law was named Seir in the book of Genesis and the etymology of that word that means Harry. And he reigned from the land of Mount Seir. So here's this Nephilim giant clan that we know through the biblical text that was cited, the Horites and the Hivites as Nephilim giant clans. And that their father in law is named Sierra Hairy. So they're hairy giants. And Esau interbreeds with them, intermarries and interbreeds with them. And through the union there, I think, like I mentioned earlier, it was some random mutations thrown in there that way not every single one from the line was a feral giant or Sasquatch looking character. But there was some that got randomly selected. But. But through that lineage you have the Amalekites. And the etymology of that name means the blood Lickers. And some of these other ancient texts refer to Esau as the mighty hunter. He's like the ultimate predator kind of guy. And that it was the Ginsburg legends of the Jews and also the Midrashes. And some of the ancient rabbis talked about that embrace where the brothers hugged, that Esau tried to bite Jacob's neck. And that when he found out that he was deceived, remember in the Bible it just says he threatens to kill his brother and his brother runs off and hides for a few years. But these other texts, they say, they go into more detail. They say that Esau says, you know, it was a good name chosen for him, Jacob, he is the usurper. And he said, and I will kill him with neither sword nor bow. He said, I will bite his neck and drain him of his blood until he is dead. So it kind of, you know, give this, you know, animalistic type, you know, nature, you know, to Esau and that Amalekites, like I'd said, they were known to be hairy. They were feral giants, I think, was what the ancients would have referred to them as.

[Wes]

Can I ask you about the biting? Nowhere in any translation I've ever read does it say he was going to bite Jacob's neck. And we have the original Hebrew, but let's just go with that for a moment. Let's just say this was the goal he had. Why, why then would he embrace his brother, kiss his brother, forgive his brother if he had this animalistic tenancy?

[Justin Brown]

Yeah, well, see, I think I talked about it in the book. I think it was just a big ploy that he was, you know, playing nice to get along. And these other ancient texts and stuff, the Ginsburg Legends of the Jews, it talks about it that they even plot to have Jacob killed several times and that Jacob escapes and pays off some of the assassins. And like, there was this secret plot that he was trying to kill his brother and take back back the birthright and blessings that was stolen from him. And like I said in my book too, we can debate, you know, if it's real or factual, but we can't debate that this was the legends and oral traditions and stories of the people of the time. They believed it, you know, and this is the stuff that was traveling around us. They weren't thinking of us thousands of years later reading these books. Because I think Genesis 6 is a prime example. To us, that's a big deal. Angels coming down, breeding with the daughters of men, making Nephilim giants. But you just get this little, little blurb about it in the Bible. But us today, we're like, man, I want some more context on that. What is up with that? Well, I think the authors were like, you know, there's no need to theoretically beat a dead horse here. Everybody knows about the giants. Everybody's ready knock everybody's red Jasher, you know what I'm saying? Like, they had all these texts and stories floating around at the time. So they were like, there's sense in beating a dead horse. Everybody knows that. But those stories and books have been lost to us in modernity. So that's why it's kind of vague and out there for us. But like I was saying, we know from the Bible that God's people, when they were in their wilderness wanderings, the Malachites were the first people that they encountered. And it said they tormented them and done like guerrilla style warfare. Picked out the elderly and the young in the back and stuff till it finally come to head. And they, they fought. And that's where you have that famous battle where Moses has to hold the staff. You know, over his head to, you know, get some supernatural aid from God to defeat this clan of hairy feral giants. And according to Rashi, too, in his writings, they were known sorcerers and necromancers. And he even says they were shape shifters. He said that's why this group alone, in the Bible, it says kill every man, woman, child and animal because they were known shape shifters and would shapeshift into animals to avoid capture was the legends and lore. But all their commandments that they're given, I think are telling to the people they encountered because you don't get a rule, law, regulation unless somebody's breaking those said rules, laws or regulations. But in their wilderness wanderings, God tells them, do not sacrifice to hairy goat demons.

[Wes]

Can we back up for a second and just kind of stick with Esau? And I get what you're saying. I agree with you. There was a lot of weird things going on back in the day. And I'm on board with you on with regard to that. But with regard to Esau and Jacob, if this was some sort of ploy to kill Jacob, Jacob's there by himself. He had hidden his family. They were back way behind him across the river. And by the way, Esau showed up with 400 men. So if he wanted to really kill Jacob, it would have been no problem. But Jacob falls down to his knees and he bows to his brother seven times. Esau rushes ahead of everyone to meet his brother. There's an embrace. He kisses his brother. He's in tears. And he forgives his brother for what has happened. And I'm not so sure killing Jacob would get his birthright back. But we can come back to that. Here Esau is in a position to where he's got 400 men at his back. He doesn't have to lift a finger. He could have Jacob slaughtered in two seconds if he wanted to, but he doesn't. So this, like, side story doesn't really make sense to me.

[Justin Brown]

Oh, yeah. And that's how the story goes. You know, it's like any kind of politics. If you are in next in line to get a huge inheritance, the person that you're getting the inheritance from has to die of natural causes and not by your hand, or you forfeit your inheritance. And these ancient legends and stories that talk about him, it's like a secret plot. He doesn't want his hands dirty, he wants him dead. Because when he dies, he'll get the verse right. He has to make it look like it's not him. The blood been on his hands you know, politics is nothing new. I mean, it was going on in the ancient world he worried about because they were chieftains. You know, we think of it just being these people wandering in the desert. No, these were basically kings in their own right. They were chieftains of tribes. And there was all kinds of, you know, inner trade and politics, intermarrying for allegiances. Politics is nothing new. So it's like he had to be the sly one. He had to take Jacob out with anybody, not knowing that it was him. Because politics, it's like the president kissing the baby. He might be like, ugh, get this thing away from me. But he does it for the camera. You know, hug him, kiss his neck and make it look like I'm this good, gracious, forgiving guy. But I'm really going to kill this SOB and get back what's mine.

[Wes]

It's odd, you know, as you go further into the Bible, at no point does Esau try and have Jacob killed. This was kind of their. Their last meeting that we know about anyway. And I think you're looking at birthright and blessings, kind of like Caesar or, you know, Pharaoh or something like that, to where, you know, next in line you're going to be Pharaoh. You know, it's Pharaoh's son. If Pharaoh's son dies, then it goes to the youngest son or the next son in line. Birthrights don't really work that way. The birthright and the blessing was given to Jacob, and Esau played a part. He let it happen. But Isaac's dead at this point. So it's not like when Jacob is quote unquote murdered or Esau has him whacked also. Now Esau will have the birthright and the blessings. It doesn't really work that way. It would fall into the line of Jacob with his sons. Do you see what I'm saying?

[Justin Brown]

It would, because he was the only other son. Because when you get into the ancient Jewish people, it was a patriarchal society. So the father, the only ones that got the inheritances was the men. That's why when you go through Genesis and the other old texts and stuff that listed genealogies, women are not mentioned. You have a few, but when they are, it's because it's really significant, you know, and it would really stand out to the ancient reader because it was a patriarchal society. So it went to the eldest son. It was supposed to go to Esau, but Esau traded it. So now it fell on to Jacob. So if Jacob was gone, died, was out of the picture. Then automatically all the inheritance, birthright, everything would fall upon the only surviving son left, which was. Which would have been Esau.

[Wes]

I think the whole point of the birthright and the blessing. And we'll get off this topic here in a second. I just want to make this last point. It seems like it would fall into line of Jacob. His sons would get it, not Esau.

[Justin Brown]

From my understanding, all the stuff that I've read, it goes to the son. Because I mean, the wife has nothing to do with it. It's not a matriarchal society, it's a patriarchal. And I'd have to go back and look because I don't recall. But when he came back with his wives from. I think it's his father in law or Uncle Laban or whatever, I don't think he had fathered any children yet. I could have been wrong. But if in that case, traditionally it would fall to Jacob's eldest son, but if he didn't have a son, then it automatically reverts back to the uncle. And then you'd have the whole thing of the Lion King with Uncle Scar trying to take over and usurp and kill the younger to get it back. Or the Egyptian tale of Osiris and his uncle Set. I think those epics kind of show you how the passing down of that

[Wes]

went at the time when Jacob and Esau had this reunion where they forgave each other and they let things go. And this is in Genesis 33. Jacob actually had 11 sons and one daughter. You know, the famous Dinah. I don't think Benjamin was born yet. But at this time, Jacob has 11 sons. He has 12 kids at the time. So Esau killing Jacob would have accomplished nothing beyond petty revenge.

[Justin Brown]

All right, Like I said, you know, when you look into, you know, the Lion King, the epic of Osiris and Set, people could usurp. You know, I knew he had, you know, 12 kids, but I didn't know at the time when he come back from his wanderings and met his brother, he already had all 12. I wasn't aware of that. But still doesn't change the fact that if these are, you know, regardless of age, but if they were, you know, six, seven year old pups and their father died, he could just, you know, run in and just by force take the crown and the kingship. And that's the thing. That's why I think it's so important for people to read my book, because they get the ancient perspective and read all these other stories and legends because they seen it as one and the same because they believed kingship and priesthood was together and that was the birthright. Because when you read all the ancient extra biblical books and the legends and stuff, how I mentioned the supernatural garments from the garden of God, that is the birthright.

[Wes]

Yeah. You know, one thing I would say is I'd be careful of these outside texts because I think there's a lot of things in these ancient texts that are made up, you know, like the book of Adam and Eve. Now, do I think Adam and Eve wrote that book? No. Do I think anything that actually took place in that book happened? No. Is it interesting to read? Yeah, it's interesting to read, but I'm not aware of some of these ancient Jewish writings that you're talking about. I'll have to look into it. And I could be wrong. I'm, I'm wrong every day. So I, I could be wrong in my thinking. But it's even like the Book of Enoch. When you read the first book of Enoch, it lines up with the Bible. And I know the Bible directly quotes the book of Enoch. I know it directly quotes the book of Jasser. But when you get into Enoch 2, 3 and 4, it's completely, it's like someone else wrote this book. It doesn't line up with anything on the first book of Enoch. And so I, you know, I would just kind of be careful reading some of these texts and taking them at face value. I sound really smug saying that, and I don't mean to by any means. So forgive me.

[Justin Brown]

And that's what I try to do. I try to use the, the Bible as my, my foundation. And I tell people, I try to describe it as eating chicken. You know, I know how to eat chicken. I know my Bible pretty well. And if I don't, if I got a question, I got, got several copies I can just go to and read and double check and verify. But I'm not going to throw away a whole basket of food just because I found a bone. So I'll sit there and I will eat the meat off the bone and throw the bone over my shoulder and keep going. And metaphorically, the bones are the bunk. And like you said, there's lots of bones in Judaism. You know what I mean? There's lots of bones in Christianity, but that doesn't mean we throw the baby out with the bathwater. And I think a lot of people are guilty of that. So me, I will read. And that's what I try to do with the book. I found a lot of bones, a lot of bones that I threw over my shoulder and didn't include in this book. And some people might want to say, oh, well, then you just cherry picked, you know. But no, you can't look at life as all or nothing. So if I found something that I thought was interesting, I took it and I look at scripture and I looked at the story of Esau and I tried to like a puzzle piece, I put it in there if it fit, and it didn't contradict any of the other surrounding stuff, hey, that's a keeper. And that's kind of what I did. And a lot of the stuff that I found that I included in the book, in my opinion, it, it just fills in gaps and kind of fills out the, the story a little bit. And there's plenty of room for speculation. And I speculate in the book, but I, I tell you, I try my best to tell you up front, you know, this is my belief because, you know, xyz, if you read these passages, I think it points to this and this is my interpretation of it, you know, But I try to be clear when I'm doing that, because if I'm being honest, it is. It's highly speculative, the stuff that I talk about, but I try to give the, the references and show the, the work of how I got there.

[Wes]

Yeah. And like I told you, I will read the book. I think the fact that I. I disagree with, with some of your stuff makes me want to read the book even more. And I like the weird stuff. I like looking into weird history and that sort of thing. And I'll definitely read the book. I'll buy the book and check it out. And with the Epic of Esau, I mean, it sounds like more than just Esau. It sounds like you go into a lot of other history and related things with regard to some of your theories.

[Justin Brown]

I branch off into other topics, but it's kind of like our conversation today. It's kind of spiderwebs and anchors back to a central theme because honestly, I did, I treated this book like a hero's journey. I packed my knapsack and I took off and I recorded all my findings along the way. And like I said, I first went through a bunch of legends and mythology surrounding Bigfoot and how you find it, you know, throughout the world and every culture, every timeframe, and recorded some of those stories and legends. I went into the Welsh wild man, the wood woes, and kind of laid out the foundation and stories of that. And then I went into science. What does science have to say about this, if anything. And then, so then I got into hypertrixosis. So then I got into the wild men of the Bible and I talked about Esau and honestly, some of the extra biblical writings. Cain's marking. Rabbi Rashi, he believes that Cain's marking was that he was covered in hair, believe it or not, and given a horn. And that's why he was so worried that he was going to be killed, because he looked like this beast. So God made him ferocious that way nobody would want to hurt him or come after him, basically. And went from there to Nebuchadnezzar. It says his hair grew as long as eagle's feathers and he was cursed to roam into the wild and eat grass like the oxen. I'm like, man, it kind of looks like, you know, this covered in hair thing is like a calling card curse, you know, of God, if you believe all the other stories and stuff that I was reading and went into his story, his genealogies, and I'd mentioned the Amalekites and things like that and how you can kind of see the migration patterns of these, this people group. I think because you get up into Sardinia, you have their winter solstice practice where all the men put on black goats fur and black wooden masks and dance through the streets. Like the book of Isaiah says the wild men will dance in the wilderness and in the desolate cities. Krampus in Europe, you know, so this is just a fun little investigation going through and compiling all of them, showing the common themes and making my speculations and trying to, you know, connect the dots, so to speak. It was a lot of fun, man. It was my first book, so. But I'm working on my second one now, so maybe this, this process will be a little bit smoother than the first.

[Wes]

Yeah, like I said, I can't wait to check it out. The Epic of Esau by Justin Brown. And I'll include links below if you want to get a copy of the book and I'll include a link for your podcast. You know, I enjoyed it. I really enjoyed having you on. I enjoyed the conversation and thank you so much for taking the time to come on.

[Justin Brown]

Hey, man, I appreciate you having me, man. Like I said, this is one of my bucket lists. So I'm glad to actually sit down and conversate with you and get to know you a little bit, man. I've had a good time.

[Wes]

Thanks again, Justin. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is wesasquatchchronicles.com and if you get a chance, check out sasquatch chronicles.com you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time everyone.

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