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Tanner
It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. And it either heard me or smelt me. And he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up.
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Cheryl
And that.
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Host (Wes)
That shocked me.
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Tanner
They don't make people that that big.
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Cheryl
The way moved almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything move like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language. And they were chuntering away, back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears.
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Host (Wes)
Nine, one, one. What are you reporting?
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Tanner
Jesus Christ.
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Host (Wes)
You better see him.
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Musician/Singer
Hello.
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Tanner
Get somebody out here.
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Host (Wes)
What's going on now, sir? That son of a is about 6 foot 9. I don't know.
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Cheryl
Do you see him now, sir?
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Host (Wes)
Yes, I'm looking right at him.
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Musician/Singer
Oh,
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Tanner
This is Brian from Ohio.
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Musician/Singer
O now.
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Host (Wes)
And you're listening to the best podcast
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Cheryl
in the whole universe, Sasquatch Chronicle.
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Musician/Singer
Foreign.
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Host (Wes)
Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. We're going to be chatting with Cheryl and Cheryl comes to us from Louisiana and back around 2004. She was visiting her mom and her mom kind of lives in this village out in the bayou. And as they were leaving, she thought she saw what appeared to be a man looking in a window. When this quote unquote man turned and looked at Cheryl and her friends, they realized it wasn't a man. And then we'll wrap up with Tanner from Wisconsin. And a couple years ago he was heading home and he had probably one of the more fascinating encounters I've heard with the balls of light. Fast forward after this encounter with the light. Tanner saw the creature in the same area and I'll let him go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is wesasquatchchronicles.com and if you get a chance, check out sasquatch chronicles.com you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Cheryl to the show. Cheryl, thanks for coming on.
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Cheryl
Thanks so much for having me.
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Host (Wes)
Yeah, I appreciate you being here. And you had this encounter around 2004 in Louisiana. If you would, would you start from the very beginning? What were you doing and what happened?
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Cheryl
Yeah, so at the time I was in college here in Louisiana and was going to visit my mom. My roommate came with me just to go, you know, pick up Some stuff, get some food. And we were about to leave and go back to campus. This is about, I mean, 10 o' clock at night, I would say. And we just wanted to make sure we got back before it was too late. My mom lives in a village and always, you know, correct people. It's not a town. It's not like a little small city. It's a village that's got, you know, bayou roads running through it and behind it, farmland, you know, spots of, you know, woods and trees. So we're heading back and the bayou has like two sides. One side, which I normally take, is more open on one side. The bayou is right there on one side. There's no shoulder, but it's more open. No houses, just kind of land and stuff like that. But the other side has a lot of like live oaks on both sides of the road, is very, very windy. And then there are like a few houses and like a little auto shop and stuff like that. So I took that side. I do not know why, because there's a lot of deaths from car accidents, people running into the. The trees and stuff like that. So I just, I don't like that, that path. But anyway, I took it. So we're creeping. The speed limit's like 25. And that's probably what I was going to. And I looked over and I noticed like a creep looking in one of the windows at one of the houses. There's only, I think really a trailer and then maybe two houses right there. So it's not, you know, not a lot going on. And these are like ranch style houses are kind of wide and low. And I'm like, oh, you know, it's country, right? So you're like nosy. And I'm looking to see what's going on. Like, why is this person, you know, looking in this window? And so I slow down to a crawl and we, we very quickly realized that this was not a person. So I asked my rooms, like, do you see this? And you know, it turns around and looks at us and actually I'm gonna go back because, like, for perspective, you know, windows. Even a house with like low ceilings has like probably like eight. It's eight feet up or so. So this thing was about as top, like right at the top of the window, right? Just kind of looking in. His hands were up like on the window. But not like it was trying to see better. It was just. They were just on the window on the sides of it, I guess. So it turns and looks at us and that's when you know, I could really tell, like, this was. This was no person, not just because of the size, but you could tell that there was, like, fur. Not like, super thick, but obviously, like, fur. I couldn't see any skin. There was a snout protruding. There were ears on top of the head. This was definitely more canine because of, like, how the nose, like, protruded out. You can tell, like, larger eyes, longer arms, like, like, not knuckle dragging to the ground, but, like, longer arms. And, like, not standing, like, straight up. It was, like, slightly crunched. And either way, you know, I looked at it, we started screaming, right? Like you can imagine that college girls would do, right? Like, we just screaming our heads off. I try to hit the gas, but I mean, like an old Ford Contour. So I didn't go anywhere fast. And it started running, like, on two legs toward us. And then it drops down to four, like, hands and feet, or I guess just four legs and still screaming. You know, I accelerate. We, you know, go down the winding road and never look back. We're the. The town is really. Or the village is, like, I mean, five minutes from Interstate 10. So it's nothing to get, you know, get away and get out of the area. You hit the interstate, you go, you know, toward Baton Rouge, toward Lafayette, like, whatever. But that was it. Like, we literally never talked about it again. We never, you know, we just went back to campus and, like, kept living life. And my husband, you know, he's a hunter and fishes and is always kind of out in the wilderness and whatnot. And he watches the show and he, you know, like, hey, babe, this. This story sounds like exactly what she sounds like. Oh, yeah. And he said it around, like, another family member. So then I tell them the story, and apparently he talked to one of my cousins who said that he's seen all kinds of strange things out there over the years, and he's a good bit older than me, but I just. It definitely freaked me out. But that was just kind of the end of it, and I moved on. And I've. You know, I've never seen anything like that again.
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Host (Wes)
You know, I've never had a dogman encounter, but I've heard enough of them now to where I believe that it's out there. And, you know, I try and put myself in eyewitnesses positions. You know, if I was driving that car, I probably would have thought it was a man, too. And knowing my idiot brain, I probably would have stopped and asked him what he was doing. Thank God you didn't do that. But I could kind of see how you would think it was a man at first.
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Cheryl
At first I did, because what else would it be, right? You know, people are creeps. So I'm like, well, somebody's looking in this window. But, you know, you give yourself a few more seconds to process information and before it turned around, you can tell like, what's going on. Like, what's on. What's on this person. Because I don't remember seeing like pants, definitely, like no shirt. Right. So you just kind of looking, trying to figure out what's going on.
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Host (Wes)
When you look back at this moment, what are some details that still kind of stay with you?
- [10:02]
Cheryl
I would say the, the build and the height. You know, I've seen very tall people, like, you know, people who played basketball and stuff like that. Professional, like. And I'm a pretty short person. So to me, for some, someone to be of significant height sticks out to me because everybody's already kind of tall to me, right? So the height definitely. Then like the build, I would say it was like, you know, broad shoulders, but not like some fantasy book werewolves, like super muscles. It's not like that. It was definitely more of a slim build, but not skinny. So if you think of like a, like a more robust, kind of like thicker, like basketball player, more like a Lebron, not like a Shaq. Right. It's muscular, it's clearly strong, but again, like not, not skinny by any means. Like, you know, something that you, you recognize as like something formidable that you don't want to, you know, tussle with. The ears were more on top of the head, right? Like big, pointy. Like if you think of what a wolf would look like or more like a, you know, German shepherd or something like that. Like ears. More like that. And like I said, the snout was, it was not like flattened out. It was like it protruded like a pretty good way. Again, more like what you might expect like a coyote or a wolf or a German shepherd. Like the, you know, how it comes out and it's more like narrow. When it started running, it clearly was not flat footed. I can say that because you just kind of know how people run and how, how it looks. It wasn't like that, but I guess to me, like when I think about, because I don't have a lot of detail about the legs, but when I think about the movement, I would say it was, you know, like a person runs and we kind of swing our arm like back and forth, like, you know, I guess use a momentum, kind of move us forward it wasn't like that. It was. They weren't just hanging, but they.
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Host (Wes)
They.
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Cheryl
You know, they had kind of like a sway to them. And when it dropped down, I think is what, you know, like, really shook me. It dropped down to. To, you know, like I said, run on all fours. And the legs, like, if a human tried to. Like, I'm just gonna be on, off. Like, it was not like that. Like, the. The body kind of. The back kind of flattened out, as you would expect. Again, like more of a canine. And it wasn't like a. I wouldn't say it's like a transformation type of thing. It's just. It just went that way. Like, fluidly moved from one stance and position to, like, another. And, you know, no, no person can. Can do that. Like, I've seen a document, a documentary about this family, and they. They all started, like, walking on all fours, or they've been walking on all fours for so many. So many years. Nothing like that. It was. It was just different. So I guess there had to be some type of bend in the legs for that to even be possible, but. Or maybe in the hip, I guess I could say, but I don't really remember a lot about that.
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Host (Wes)
Yeah, it's amazing when people talk about Dogman and Sasquatch, the. The movement always comes back. You know, how fluid they move. And I can't imagine a worst encounter than a Dogman and then have it turn and start coming my way. Did you get the feeling it was, I mean, kind of a dumb question. Did you get the feeling that it was more than a warning, like it was coming for you?
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Cheryl
Oh, 100%. Like, 100%. Because when it turned, it didn't just look around. It looked at us. And I guess that would draw, you know, a good bit of attention because there's not really much else around. The lights on, the car on, and then, of course, I hit the gas. So we started moving. And when it ran, it didn't run straight. It didn't run away. It came toward us. And because I'm going forward, it's running, like, diagonal across the yard toward the road, which is where we were. Right. And, yeah, I know with certainty that it was like, I don't know what you're looking at, but you need to get out of here.
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Host (Wes)
And I realize at the time, you know, it's probably just shock seeing this thing, but kind of now, looking back, did you have any idea of what you were looking at?
- [14:47]
Cheryl
I. I said immediately, I was like, that's like a dog person. Right. And. And I think what always kind of comes back to my mind when I, when I say this story, when I tell this story, because I've. Over the last couple years, I've found myself actually sharing it a bit more or at all, because I never really shared it before besides my husband. And I immediately said dogman. I did not say werewolf. And I don't know why that is. I think to me that's just what it looked like, just because of how it was kind of put together more like, say, in the face, you know, I don't know. I guess maybe my mind already had a vision of what a werewolf looks like, because to me, a werewolf, a person transformed, right? And it's kind of, you know, I don't know. But I always said dogman. I did not say Sasquatch. I did not say anything else. It always looked to me like a dogman.
- [15:46]
Host (Wes)
You know, Louisiana has a long history of the Dogman, way more than Michigan. I know Michigan gets brought up all the time, but Louisiana has a long history dating back to when the settlers were there. And running into this thing. Did you feel like you were looking at, like a natural animal?
- [16:06]
Cheryl
I think so. I, I am a person who. I feel like it's not easy to convince me of things, but I also believe that we just don't know very much about anything. I think humans have the very bad habit of assuming that we know, we understand, we foresee what's possible. We've explored, we. We've researched. We do not know. We do not know. We have not seen their cavers going into caves and saying they see, like, remnants of fire and food and people living and they can barely get in. And some of them don't get in or don't get out. Right. There are people who have, like, oh, my family has had this land, in this home for 100 years, but all of a sudden I found a cave or something that we never knew what was there. I, I remember a conversation about random conspiracies I had with some colleagues about, you know, maybe three years back. And I said some of these, like, oh, you know, like, people don't know. We can't even get to the bottom of the ocean. We don't know about our, ourselves as far as illness and healing and whatnot. Why couldn't these things be true? And I mentioned like a, a water bear. You know, microscopic animal lives in the ocean and like lava beds and stuff like that. And they were like. Did you mean a polar bear? No, I didn't mean a Polar bear. I meant a water bear. But I think the point was that if you don't even know about this little animal that other people know about, it's documented, proven, there's even, like, children's cartoons that talk about it, then why do you think you know so much about everything else that can exist? We discover new species of insect and animal every day, and I don't think a lot of people realize this literally every day. Why can't people believe that these things exist? And, you know, it just is what it is. Just because you don't see something often or ever. Right. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And so that's my view on the Dogman. And, you know, pretty much anything else you can think of, like, I'm fine. Yeah, it's probably there. Why not, right? I haven't seen many things, and I don't doubt that they exist. And so I'm definitely going to go with something I have seen.
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Host (Wes)
Yeah, you bring up a good argument. I know a lot of people struggle with the Dogman because a canine, the way they're built, they're not meant to get up on two legs and run around, but it gets reported. I wanted to ask you, did you ever talk to your mom about what you had seen that night?
- [19:05]
Cheryl
I did not talk to my mom or really any other family. I, like I said at the time, I just, you know, dotted on back to campus and, you know, didn't really think about it any anymore. And my family's full of, like, very girly girls, so I feel like if they even thought for a second that something was out there to be, you know, concerned with that, they would have said something. But what my husband recalls from the conversation with my cousin is like, you know, he's like, oh, yeah, you know, I've seen a spaceship and, you know, I've seen something like that. So, I mean, he says he's seen many things, but I never talked to him directly about it or anything like that. And you know what? I will say this, which when I would listen to your show, because my husband will be listening, and I would say, well, why do they. When you ask like, oh, what did the other person say that was there or that saw it? And they, you know, oh, we never talked about it, or, you know, they passed away. Oh, we're not friends. There's always a reason, right? And but for my own situation, that's exactly how it is. Not long after that, my roommate and I, you know, had an argument. We were no longer friends. So Revisiting the situation and what happened, you know, not in the car, it's not on the table or anything because we don't talk. And I just find that so interesting because I'm like, I wonder why that is. Right. And, you know, maybe there is some kind of like, supernatural element to it or something like that. That wouldn't surprise me either. But I always found that interesting. But really it's the same thing that, that I, you know, have experienced in what my situation is. Just kind of something I saw and, you know, somebody else is there, but I have no idea what she, you know, had thought about it after or no opportunity to like, revisit it. It just point in history.
- [21:20]
Host (Wes)
Yeah, you bring up a good point I rarely ever talk about on the show. You'll often find in Dogman encounters or Sasquatch encounters, if it's two people and they're married, they're probably going to get divorced in the near future, or if your best friend was there with you, you're probably going to get to a point where you never talk to them again. It's very common. It's almost like there's a curse seeing one of these things. Ino, earlier I asked you if you thought the Dogman was natural. I got to find a better way to ask that question. Because when I say, do you think Dogman is natural or do you think it was like a natural animal? I think people think I'm asking was it physical. And they're always physical. When people recount these encounters, they're terrified. It's not a ghost they're running from. But again, you know, if you go back to a dog up on two legs, or any canine for that matter, their bodies aren't built that way. Your dog might be able to get up and dance around for a treat, but he's not going to, like, go jogging with you. But again, going back to this Dogman creature, it gets reported all the time. They'll be running on two legs, and then if you blink, you'll miss it. They're on four legs running. Do you have any idea how long this creature or how far this creature actually chased you?
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Cheryl
I have no idea. I like that the road itself is very windy and it's dark. It would. It was dark. So there was not like a lot of light other than my headlights. So I would, I was definitely looking forward. But yeah, no, I have. I have no idea. And I would. I would guess that it probably would have stopped not, not far at all from where it started, just because I Mentioned that there's just a handful of houses, but past those couple of houses, it's farmland, right. And usually a sugar cane. So not stuff that you can easily get through. So it's one of two situations. It's either a bunch of sugar cane, right, that it would have had to run into. Well, I mean, it could have been on the road, or it's just wide open. But then you get to one like. Like auto shop. Actually, I think it's an auto shop on both sides. Like little small businesses. One of them has, like, a lot of big metal, like, I don't know, junk, I guess I'll say no offense, but like, a lot of big metal things in the way. So unless it was in the road running, like, on the sides, there would have been a lot of. A lot of obstacles. And that's when you. We actually break into, like, another town and there's like, a bank and like, little stuff. So it's. It would have been more exposed had it followed, even for a minute or two. So I. I have no idea, but that those are kind of my thoughts. And you know what, too, I will. I want to add two things because I think that they're interesting in having listened to, you know, just other encounters and whatnot. So the first thing is I mentioned to you before that I was an ra, Like a resident assistant and like, the dorms on campus at one point, and that I'm pretty sure it could have been the one next door, but I'm pretty sure it's this one, this house that the thing was looking in the window at. I'm pretty certain was the house of one of the. One of my residents that passed away not long before that. She had, like, gone. Her and her friends had gone on the interstate the wrong way and got into an accident, and she did not make it. And I have heard different things where, like, dog men were associated with, you know, death or someone having passed. And that stuck out to me, you know, in more recent times. And the other thing, my husband is very social. People tend to like him and talk to him. And I grew up in this town. Like, I didn't live there, but my family's from there. I was there multiple times a week. Like, I was always there. And he still managed to know people that I do not know. And when I was telling him this story, he said, oh, the house across from, you know, like, Mr. Ed with the. With the Sasquatch statues. And I was like, what? And he was like, yeah, like, right across street. And I never paid Attention to the fact that literally across the street, this man has multiple Sasquatch statues in his front yard of various sizes. And I was like, oh, somebody should probably ask him, what do you see? But either way, I, I thought that was just kind of interesting about the area and, like the little village and, and just kind of not even noticing or, you know, not realizing some of these details until later.
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Host (Wes)
Yeah, that is interesting. I don't know if the death had anything to do with you seeing this creature or not. You know, we were talking about this on last night's show when I was interviewing Becca, and it wasn't a Dogman, it was a Sasquatch coming up to her window when she was young. And you hear this behavior with Sasquatch and you hear it with Dogman. And I often wonder sometimes if, like in Becca's case, in last night's show, they had just moved into this home. So it makes me wonder if the person before was feeding this thing to be so familiar, to walk right up to the window and look right in. It's really hard to say. The whole death thing. And Dogman comes from Anubis in the Egyptian Anubis lore. Anubis, which looks like a Dogman, by the way, is in charge of the underworld, in charge of death. And I kind of think that's where it might come from, you know, these creatures. I've had so many weird reports of these, Dogman. And one thing that I picked up on pretty quick, I've had dozens of people shoot this thing, and it's almost like it's bulletproof. People are hitting them with hunting rifles, handguns. And in those accounts, what you'll find is it never really seems to bother the Dogman, and they never really get injured. And so for me, in my mind, I just have a hard time believing it's some natural animal. It's almost like it was created or it shouldn't be here. But to your credit, I mean, we. We do discover new things all the time. And so when it comes to Dogman, are you thinking it's some sort of weird canine we just haven't caught up with? That's completely natural. And it's okay if you do. I mean, you don't have to agree with me by any means. I'm wrong all the time.
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Cheryl
I. I can't say that. Just think it's a kind of canine. It looks like one, but I do think it's something different. I. I guess, you know, the way I think about it, is this right? Like, why not? Like Why I saw it, it's there. I have no idea what is trying to do or accomplish. I have no idea why I chased us, right? But it's there. I would not. I just feel like it could be. I, I really do. And, you know, if it's not, if it's some supernatural thing or if it's some experiment or whatever, I have no idea. I think, I think it's probably been there a long time. I think that when things don't want to be seen, they won't be. I just, you know, my, my interaction was one from a distance and then from, in a car. So, you know, to its durability and abilities and stuff like that, I, you know, I, I can't speak to it at all. I just, I just think it kind of is what it is. I wouldn't, I wouldn't be surprised if eventually some of these things that people have seen and what I saw eventually are shown to be like, oh, yeah, like that just exists. I would not be surprised at all.
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Host (Wes)
Yeah, I think that's a fair answer. Cheryl, what about Sasquatch? What do you think that is? I know you haven't seen one and your husband Brian has. You listen to the show shout out to Brian, by the way, but what do you think Sasquatch is?
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Cheryl
I, I, I think it's, I think along the same lines. I think Sasquatch just is what it is. I don't think it's a person. I don't think it's like, you know. Well, you know what? I'm a backup. I'm not gonna say it couldn't possibly be like a person, because if you, if you believe in the Bible at all, right? Because a lot of things, like, come from religion. If you believe in the Bible at all, there are lots of weird descriptions of creatures in there. Not, not at all what we're used to seeing as far as, like, this typical animals that we're used to, as far as a bear or wolf, like, you know, different, different parts and configurations, and it doesn't sound like anything you want to run into. Right. If you think that that's true, there's a possibility, right, that Sasquatch could be related to something in there. You know, you're out in the woods, you turn furry, you know, evolution or whatever, right? You grow more hair to accommodate your environment or whatever. I don't know. Like, but I, it's hard for me to doubt what anything could be, because one thing about it is that I know, I don't know, and I know no one around me really knows. I think somebody knows a little something. I don't think they know the whole of it, but I think somebody somewhere knows. And I think one day we'll. We'll all just kind of find out or, you know, if we don't, you. You pick a path of what you believe and what you're willing to accept and what you want.
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Host (Wes)
Yeah. Somebody out there knows everything for sure. And hopefully one day it'll come out. I think I agree with you. I think it will come out. It's like I was telling you before we started recording. I can't imagine a worst encounter. It's like, oh, I see a dog, man. Oh, it sees me. And now it's coming for me. Which is par for the course with their behavior. But I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and share it.
- [32:40]
Cheryl
Thank you. I really appreciate it.
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Host (Wes)
Until your husband, Brian, I said hello. Will you.
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Cheryl
100%.
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Host (Wes)
Next up on the show, I want to welcome Tanner. Tanner, thanks for coming on.
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Cheryl
Hi.
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Tanner
Thanks for having me here.
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Host (Wes)
Yeah. And I know that there's three things we're going to chat about tonight. The very first one, all this took place in Wisconsin. And the first one is this encounter with the lights. I know we're going back about three or four years. If you would tell me what you were doing and what happened.
- [33:24]
Tanner
So up in Janesville, it's. We call it. Around here, we call it the Strip. It's just a part of downtown. People drive up and down. It was actually. I had just gotten my license, went out with my buddy. My first night driving out there, and I was coming home, and I went to take Afton home because it's a pretty straight shot from where I live in Beloit. And I went down so far. And after a while, I noticed this light behind me. It was just a single light. Looked like a yellow headlight. I thought it was a motorcycle. As you go down, it's speed kind of changes, but it goes from 55 and there's a little section where it slows down in like a suburb type deal. Then it goes for a while and then into a small town called Afton. I was in between the suburb and the town of Afton. And coming up to it slows down from 55 to 35. And I noticed this light just didn't slow down. If anything, it got faster. And it. It was weird because normally with. I don't know if it was just the model, but normally with motorcycle, there's another light next to it or something like there's another lighter. It's a diff. Or you'll see it kind of get dimmer or lighter if it changes the angle. It just stayed as a solid. Like a solid shade of yellow the whole time. And as you get into Afton, it comes around a right turn, and then it kind of goes down a little hill and then up on a bigger hill and you leave it. Well, when you come. I came down that little hill and there was a sheriff sitting there, actually. So I kind of. I break pretty hard because it's 35 and I wasn't really paying attention. And Afton is notoriously known for getting you really bad. So I kind of slowed down, got past the cop, and he didn't pull me over. I figured, all right, I'm okay. Was going to go up the hill, and this light just. It kept coming, and I. The way I seen it, you don't see the cop until you're at the top of the hill. And so if that guy's going anything over 45, he. There's no way he's slowing down in time. So I figured he'd gotten caught because I didn't see it for a little while after I came over the big hill and left the town. Well, we're. I'm going down a little further and didn't really notice nothing. After a while, there's a little curve, and I came around the curve. It's almost like an S shape, but a real stretched out S. And as I came around that, then I noticed the light behind me. As I stretched or straightened out, I was like, well, that's a little weird. You must have. Must have slowed down in time. And then, you know, caught back up. I didn't realize I'd get. I'm getting a little shaky talking about this now, but was still coming up really, really fast. I mean, if I'm going, I knew that there was a sheriff there, and there's only normally one sheriff on Afton at a time. So I actually sped up, probably going 70, and it was gaining on me quick. Like, it seemed like I was maybe going 40 compared to 70. And it just keeps getting closer and closer and closer. And eventually it's so bright, I look up in my rear view, and it's like it's taken up my whole back window. And next thing I know, it, literally it. Best way I could describe it is it jumped into the car or, like, phased into it, because the whole inside of my trailblazer, like, completely whited out in light. Blinded me. Couldn't See, and this lasted for a split. Like, it. A split second.
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Cheryl
It.
- [36:51]
Tanner
I looked up, I seen it. Everything whited out, and then it just disappeared. And that. That was completely it. Everything was over. There was no light. There was no. Like, there was nothing. Completely normal. Drive all the way back home.
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Host (Wes)
Yeah. You know, I've heard a few accounts like this. They're rare when they enter the vehicle, but I have heard it before, and people describe it exactly how you described it. Like it jumped in the truck and then it like, blinks out and it's gone. And some people say, well, you know, that is a ball of lightning. If it was a ball of lightning, you'd be dead. Even last night, when I was talking to Becca, we were talking about the Joplin lights, and she described one of her friends where it entered the vehicle and there was like a flash and it was gone. It's strange. I mean, even now, looking back, what do you think that light was?
- [37:49]
Tanner
I'm still kind of. I don't, like, actively think about it every day, but I still kinda. It still is kind of a question I have. I wasn't doing anything that night. Wasn't drinking, smoking, nothing like that. So I know, like, I wasn't hallucinating or anything. There. There was no. No vehicle behind me. And honestly, other than. Other than the sheriff, I really didn't see any other cars that were. Had anyone in them. Like, there was people at the bar at Afton, but no one's in the cars. So, I mean, maybe I just. Maybe I was losing my mind one night or something. I have no idea. My only thought is, I. I'm not. I don't want to go, like, the full alien dive, but I. Obviously there's been mention of. Well, the government said they're real. I've. Beloit's been a kind of a weird area in general. I've had friends, family, everything say that they've seen stuff. So I wouldn't be incredibly surprised if it could have been something like that. That's kind of my only thing I can really think of. I'm. I'm pretty open about all of it because there. The way I see things, and I think I mentioned it in the email about the bigfoot, but it kind of goes further than that, of there's a lot of things that so many groups of people across the world had stories of the exact same thing. And there's a level of. They've never communicated. They've never had any interactions with each other, never known anything about it, and they've all got throughout different periods of time and the same periods of time, depictions of these things of roughly the same thing. So it wouldn't be. To me, it's not super crazy to think that we've got aliens or anything in that manner now.
- [39:36]
Host (Wes)
I don't think it sounds like a crazy idea at all. You know, I used to think that too. For the longest time, I was like, are these like drones from somewhere else? You know, like, because the way they fly around and the way they behave is intelligent. I mean, you may not think that because it came into your cab, but a lot of times, if you listen to eyewitnesses, what they're describing is something intelligently flying around. But, you know, I still have a weird feeling that these balls of lights are spirits. You know, when I was a young, young kid, I was probably 14, there was a road that was near my home. And when everyone turned 16, they all went down to this road to see how fast their car would go. And I didn't know this at the time, but later I found out there was a woman that was killed in a car crash down there. A young lady. I want to say it was back in the 60s, maybe 70s, and I have no doubt she was doing the same thing we were doing. She's probably seeing how fast her car would go. But for the longest time, there's a lure down on that road of the ghost car. And I remember being like 14, hearing my brother talk about it and his friends talk about it, you know, in a ghost car. Sounds awesome. I wanted to know what this ghost car looked like, and so I asked them. There was no description. It was just two amber colored lights and they would behave the same way you're describing. You know, I know what you saw was one where you. You were thinking it was a motorcycle. But down on this road, I remember my brother's friends talking about this ghost car coming up on them very, very quickly, and then it was just gone. When this thing entered your vehicle and it flashed out, was there any sort of effects from that?
- [41:32]
Tanner
No, shock was not. Not like electricity shock, but like mental emotional shock was the only thing of like, what the actual. Oh, should I.
- [41:44]
Host (Wes)
That's all right, man. I'll bleep it out. I get it. It's a shock of what is this thing and what's going on? Thank God there wasn't any physical effects. Before we get into your Bigfoot encounters and leading up to your sighting, what was kind of your take on Bigfoot?
- [42:06]
Tanner
Just a very blank level question of yes, I do believe that they're real, but it wasn't. It was one of those of, like, yeah, I see them being real in that sense of like, how I talked about. Of every. All the countries or countries and native American tribes talking about them, and they don't talk to each other, and they'd war over each other if they interacted. But it. It was more or less a.
- [42:31]
Cheryl
I.
- [42:32]
Tanner
It's not to say that I didn't, but there was also that little bit in me. It was like, there's still a little bit that I question. And, like, as a kid, especially in this area, there was so many things that I'd find where I would internally just ignore it and say, not ignore it, but say, oh, that's cool. There was multiple times, looking back, we would find tree structures and all sorts of stuff. Like, me and my cousin one time went for a walk in a section of woods. Pretty, or it's in Janesville, but in a little further away. And we found this whole structure of broken logs that were stacked in like a teepee. And These logs were 4 inches across in over 10 foot long. I mean, yeah, someone could have gone out there and just stacked them all up. But they were all about the same size, snapped at about the same length. And later on, we'll talk about where I seen the bigfoot. It's in the same stretch of. It's called the ice age park or ice age trail. Me and my buddy were walking and seeing what looked like a footprint. It was only four and a half inches wide, but it was a damn near a foot long or close to a foot long. Oh, 10 inches minimum. It was this long, almost like really tapered foot. It was weird. And my buddy looked down and goes, oh, look, a big foot track. And laughed. And at the time, I just laughed and kept walking because I never thought about it.
- [43:57]
Host (Wes)
I hear you. Well, if you would, would you walk me into the sighting or kind of what led up to it?
- [44:06]
Tanner
So this was. It was this year, earlier in the year, like mid May. I was alone. It was a part of. It was the ice age trail that I was talking about earlier with my buddy. In the time that I was with my buddy, it was at the far other end up on, like, the separate trails. You have to get to that side. How do I explain it? See, if you take Afton, you'd have to take a road up and then to the right and left and out and around. And it's like a whole separate section. Or you can park on Afton. And it's this little parking lot and kind of said it in the email, but there it's three main pathways. On the right side, it's a concrete trail. It's like a biking trail. And people that's. That'll lead you up to the playground and the pool. And if you go further, eventually to the start of that path that me and him were on, the middle was literally just this little dirt trail. There's tons of little like just kind of worn down dirt trails out there. It's what it's for. And then to the left was this bridge that. It's a nice little bridge, but it actually got torn down by a tornado this year. And when that, when that happened, it kind of created two little pools. And when I was out with some previous. Some previous times with some buddies, I looked down, seen them. I love fishing. And I was like, man, I really got to catch some of those. I want to figure out what these are because they, they looked like little bass. But I was thinking they were creek chubs. So one day I get out there, have this itty bitty little ultralight and the thing of worms. And I think I had my phone with me, my keys, the pole and the worms. I had very little on me just in case. Like I fell in the water and started jigging at the bridge and caught a few. They ended up being creek chubs. And I looked upstream and there's another little pocket. And I look just a couple more yards up, there's a little like a sand bank. And I always said, oh sweet. Well, I'd seen that trail. So I backed out and I walked down. And you walk down this trail and there's a tree and there's like a little loop where the trail goes. And I took that loop and then down onto the bank. And I was probably down there for five minutes, 10 minutes even, just catching fish, ignoring everything, just kind of forgetting about the world. And I heard a stick snap and I. I like being outside all the time. And if I hear something, I look for it. Because a lot of the times up there, there's. It's deer or something cool. That you want to. It's nice to look at a deer 20ft from you. Well, when I glanced up, it wasn't a deer. This rather big black like shape. And this all from when I looked up to when it took off was maybe a second and a half to two seconds. But I looked up and I distinctly seen the outline of head shoulders in black. And the second that I looked basically at its chest when I looked up and the. The hair or fur, whatever you wanted to call it, reminded me of my shepherd, Hank. He, like, he's got a little bit more of a coarse black hair, and that's kind of what it looked like. And I looked up and it was.
- [47:17]
Cheryl
I.
- [47:18]
Tanner
The best way I can describe it is when I looked up, it recognized that I had looked up. And it like, it realized, oh, something. He's now paying attention. And in one motion, it, like, swift, like, turned its whole body and launched itself forward in this.
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Musician/Singer
I.
- [47:38]
Tanner
You know, when you see like an Olympic runner, like, let's say Usain Bolt, he'll go to take off. There's a moment where you'll see his body move, and then it starts to go into, like, momentum, starts to move forward and actually travel. This thing turned and just started to, like, phase and start moving. Like there was no minute where it built pressure to the ground and like, planted its foot. Nothing. It just started going. And when it had kind of. It was crouched down more before it had turned. And when it went to turn, it kind of stood up. And when it stood up, it was. I was down in the creek bed a little bit. So it was tall. It would have been taller than me anyway, but this thing was probably six and a half foot tall, seven foot tall. But the thing that really got to me is when I looked up, this thing was easily like 4 foot wide.
- [48:31]
Musician/Singer
I'm.
- [48:32]
Tanner
I'm a bigger dude. I've got to get the. The big and tall shirts because I don't fit them or fit into anything else. Like, Like, I. I'm used to the, like growing up. My dad's a bigger guy, so I. And used to see him bigger people. And that was. It dwarfed any of us. Like, my grandpa's over six, six. At one point, he was, I think £500. And this thing looked bigger than him. So I looked up. It had seen me look up, and it just kind of rose, turned and just launched itself.
- [49:05]
Musician/Singer
It.
- [49:05]
Tanner
It itself didn't make any noise. Didn't. I know in a lot of reports, people say they'll hear like a huff or a grunt or even any of the other, like, Sierra sounds where they'll like, chatter or anything. It never made a noise other than the brush just completely getting destroyed when it took off. And it. It sounded like four or five deer going crashing through the woods and kind of. Kind of stood there like a baby just waiting. Because in my mind, because when I looked up, where it had been crouched was in between me and my vehicle. At the time, it had ran off. But the whole time in my head, once it had taken off, it was like I just walked. The thing was in between me and my vehicle and I. Or in between me and where my vehicle is, Meaning I had to cross that. Meaning at some point when I walked across that trail, that thing was less than five foot from me. And it was just like. It was that whole rush of, like, what was that? I just. And in my head, after about a minute, it clicked in my head of, number one, get out of there. Probably a good idea that you quit. I didn't hear it anymore. So I made my way up, Got out of the riverbank and hopped in my car. I had opened the back, Throw my pole in the back of the trailblazer, shut it, hopped in, and I'd hopped in, lock the door. And just before I could put the key in the car, I started freaking out of like, I just seen a bigfoot. That was actually what I thought it was. There's. There's nothing else it could have been. And when I say nothing else it could have been. We do have. We've had sightings of black bear around here. But with black bear, there's generally two or three things. Number one, they'll. They'll smell you and get out of there, or they'll start chomping their teeth. Well, before I walked past it. We haven't had a black bear around here in years. The last one was in Beloit. That actually came up from Illinois. And a bear didn't. That's not a bear. I mean, if a bear was sitting up, like on its. Like a barrel, Sit kind of like a human. How they'll sit on their butt and sit up like that for the half split second until there was no ears. And then it took off and ran. So there was. There was really nothing else that it. Like in my mind that there was running through. It could have been. And it was like a. An oh, my God moment of. I really just seen what I think I seen.
- [51:27]
Host (Wes)
Yeah, I can imagine the shock, but there's also a little bit of comfort. I mean, if this thing really wanted you, it could have had you. And there's always that moment of like, was that a bear? And then you realize it's shoulders, arms, head. Nothing about your description sounds like a bear. And many eyewitnesses describe how quick they move. Have you ever gone back?
- [51:51]
Tanner
I have. I've been thinking about it to this day. There was part of me that wanted to go, as weird as it sounds, go down there and sit in the car for that talk, just because I know it's real peaceful. But then there was another part of me that goes, yeah, I'm not going down there without, like, I really wanted to. And there's. There's just like something stopping me right now, maybe because it's just so fresh still. And I'm still trying to, like, I think I'm still trying to rationalize what it was. I've gone into the woods everywhere else since then. Like, it hasn't deterred me from being outside at all. It has deterred me from that specific part of the trail. I've even been on the north side of the trail where I've seen that footprint since then. I've even been to the. I was at the. It's a pool, like a public pool there. It's five bucks to get in. I went to a couple of my buddies the other day, which is. That's half the distance that the walking trail is from where I sighted it. But there's. There's something about going down to that parking lot and walking in that trail that I just. I won't do it.
- [52:55]
Host (Wes)
Yeah, I get it. I get why you really don't want to go back. I'm sure over time you will go back. And I think most people feel that way after an encounter. I think a lot of times it takes people some time before they return to the site. I know it was kind of a brief sighting. What do you think that these creatures are?
- [53:17]
Tanner
I. I don't think they're like Gigantopithecus, but I do think they are more of an ancient race than anything. Because There is another YouTuber, his name is Bob Gimlin, and he did one of his videos. He talked about it. Imagine if there was a creature that evolved of the same amount of time as us in its entire time. It was built for, or it's evolution was for being able to perceive things around it, stay hidden and understand what's going on in its surroundings compared to, you know, pushing innovation like we did. And that it really would. Makes you think of how well hidden could something like that be if it really wanted to. If, like, if, like you said it, it would have had the same amount of time as we did to evolve, to do this. I want to say it's closer to man, but not by much. And from other sightings I've heard, I know mine was insanely brief, but mine looked like a. A human head, like a domed head. It didn't. It didn't seem Conical or pointy or anything. There's been some instances I've heard of some people saying it looked like someone was looking at them. And I think that it. It is probably regional of like how we are of. Not in a racial way, but like African Americans. Their noses are larger to be able to breathe better because they're in a nicer or an environment where the oxygen is more of a layer, even layer at an even humidity versus up in like Alaska with the Eskimos. Their noses are a lot thinner because of the cold. It would actually harm their nose and they had to evolve the thinner nostrils. I think it's the same thing kind of like that with them. Of some places they evolved maybe a little more towards that. Like, I guess closer to man to. I guess, like quotes with that of being a little more having the communication, having the looks closer kind of and the overall shape. And then there's some that haven't where you've heard them or heard stories of or if you want to compare them, like the Patterson Gimlin film of. They've got the cone head, the. Then the. The proportions. Overall, I think that's kind of how they are. I. I do think, like I said, overall, they're. They're closer to man, but very slightly.
- [55:59]
Host (Wes)
Yeah, I appreciate your answer. A lot of thought behind it. I think what you're describing is adaptation, but it would make sense why some of their appearances might be different with regard to size and that sort of thing. It's a mystery, man. You know, I had a guy contact me, and later I found out it's farther away from me than I thought it was in the Kettle Moraine Oak opening and he had an encounter. He described it east of the Ice Age trail, but again, I know it's like an hour and a half from you, but there. There are reports that come out of there. Be safe when you're out there, man. And I really appreciate you taking the time to come on.
- [56:44]
Tanner
Yeah, thanks for giving me a call. It's. It was. It's definitely been something to think about.
- [56:51]
Host (Wes)
Yeah, I get it. Thanks again, Tanner. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is wesasquatchchronicles.com and if you get a chance, check out sasquatch chronicles.com you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time.
- [57:13]
Musician/Singer
Everyone was too low. When you want it back. The light on with nose and hand up in the heart the lights on my wheel on tone go alone the light on Baby, you should know that you gone with the lights on this is my home Place your eyes now Memories of you, dear until your eyes closed the sky I'll miss my bright memories of you, dear I saw moon as a human inviter the lights on and make power grew whiter the nights on so but must be a little wiser the night sounds into eat something A quiet time with the lights on this is my home Close around memories of you, dear until your eyes close it disguise I. Put the lights on this is my home Memories of you dear under your life Close up the sky I'll miss my memories of you. So I hope to find you. Still here.
- [61:05]
Cheryl
Sam.