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Episode: Dating, Engagement, and Marriage ft. Malik Brookins

Host: Emy Moore
Guest: Malik Brookins
Date: March 24, 2026

Episode Overview

In this candid, heartfelt, and often humorous episode, host Emy Moore is joined by her husband, Malik Brookins, for an in-depth conversation about their journey through dating, engagement, and marriage from a Christian perspective. The couple shares their personal story, discusses the spiritual challenges and growth they experienced in each relationship stage, and offers genuine advice for navigating Christian relationships in a world with shifting cultural norms.

Their testimony is marked by transparency, intentionality, and deep spiritual insight, providing listeners with encouragement, practical wisdom, and authentic hope, especially for those in similar seasons. Topics range from vulnerability and mentorship to spiritual warfare, family dynamics, and the beauty of partnership rooted in Christ.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Starting with Prayer and Setting Intentions (04:22–07:06)

• The episode begins with a heartfelt prayer led by Malik, inviting the Holy Spirit’s presence and asking that their conversation would serve as a tool to encourage and equip listeners.
  • Memorable Moment: “Lord, I ask that you fill us with your word… that it just be such a tool for people to use, to hear, to glean from our lives because of the things that you’ve taught us.” (05:03, Malik)

2. The Importance of Speaking from the Newlywed Perspective (07:06–09:43)

• Emy emphasizes the value of hearing from couples in the early stages of marriage, not only those with decades of experience.
  • Quote: “People think that being newlywed disqualifies you from speaking about marriage… but I see it as a tool to empathize with people who are about to get engaged.” (08:16, Emy)

3. The Power of Community and Mentorship (09:45–10:56)

• The couple credits their growth to strong, corrective yet affirming leadership and a robust community, shaping healthy relational dynamics.
  • Quote: “We have a great community… great friendships with people… We constantly want people over, invite people over, want to do life with people, don’t want to be alone.” (10:29, Emy)

4. How They Met: The Untold (and Told) Story (11:02–15:54)

• Their first meeting at the Passion Conference (2021) is recounted humorously and with different perspectives: Emy was awestruck; Malik saw potential but felt they were in different stages of life.
  • Notable Quote: “You are my celebrity crush… When I saw you in person, I was like, six-four, my type of chocolate milk.” (13:29, Emy)
  • Malik’s honesty: “When we started talking, I was just like, ‘Oh, she’s like immature’… I was not feeling it…” (15:59)

5. Rekindling Connection, Intentionality, and Transparency in Dating (16:55–21:44)

• After years without contact, Malik reached out to Emy. They quickly set clear intentions, avoiding common dating pitfalls.
  • Quote: “I felt incredibly respected when you did that… he understands I’m worth an explanation.” (21:14, Emy)
  • Quick vulnerability: They discussed their deepest secrets on the second day of dating.

6. Radical Honesty and Dealing with Brokenness (22:12–31:11)

• Both share their most vulnerable struggles—Malik’s finances, Emy’s mental health. They emphasize the healing, trust, and compassion built by leading with honesty, not trying to hide imperfections.
  • Malik: “Find someone who’s going to rock with you to the end… I’m not afraid of what you’re struggling with.” (23:10–24:05)

7. The Biblical Power of Confession and Bringing Darkness to Light (31:11–34:54)

• They discuss bringing inner darkness into the light of Christ, breaking cycles of shame, and practicing confession to reduce shame and spiritual disunity.
  • Emy’s analogy: “Like in police movies, they have the interrogation light… we’re bringing you into the office, we’re sitting you down and I’m questioning you…” (33:18, Emy)

8. Spiritual Warfare and Purpose in Relationship (38:33–44:32)

• Discussing the spiritual warfare experienced—the “hell was trembling” moments—Emy and Malik stress that relationships must be built on purpose, not just attraction or aesthetics.
  • Quote: “We knew from the moment we started dating that hell was trembling because of what was about to come through this union.” (39:18, Malik)
  • Compatibility goes beyond attraction; it must include callings, assignments, and fruitful partnership.

9. From Dating to Engagement: Unexpected Challenges (45:13–50:58)

• Malik’s elaborate proposal (surprising Emy in Malibu) is told alongside Emy’s vulnerability about body image struggles due to medical issues—an early test of affirmation, support, and partnership.

10. Engagement: Obstacles, Voices, and Decision-Making (51:38–56:03)

• The engagement period was marked by external voices, doubts, and spiritual confusion. Malik wrestled with his purpose and double-mindedness, recalling the importance of tracking when God’s peace is present.
  • Quote: “In those moments where I was feeling double-minded, to remember and track the moments where I felt the presence of the Lord.” (53:14, Malik)

11. Divine Provision and God’s Affirming Miracles (58:34–63:38)

• Emy provides transparent details of financial struggles and miraculous stories of provision, including a brand partnership that covered their wedding costs and another that unexpectedly funded their honeymoon to Rome.
  • Quote: “That’s like me inviting somebody to my birthday party, canceling the birthday party and then I sent them a gift.” (62:31, Emy)

12. Engagement as a Season of Pruning and Preparation (64:06–70:14)

• God used engagement as a time of pruning, aligning Emy’s super-independence with a call to dependence (not just on Malik but on God)—reshaping what submission, femininity, and marital partnership look like from a kingdom perspective.
  • Quote: “I would argue that I turned dependent… the moment I met a man like you, Malik, who was able to make me feel safe… I could finally rest at night.” (70:14, Emy)

13. Sharpening Gifts and the Power of Differences (71:49–74:15)

• The couple discusses the dynamic interplay of their gifts: Malik’s presence-based, worshipful spirit complements Emy’s authority with the Word—together, they reflect truth and presence for their communities.

14. Restoration through Differences and Shared Realism (74:15–79:00)

• From their different upbringings (PK/safe upbringing for Malik, trauma and anxious attachment for Emy), they note how their marriage has produced healing and new perspectives.
  • Fun moment: The “Which disciple would you be?” conversation offers insight into their personalities and humor.
    • Malik: “You’d be John the Baptist. You would go to the King and tell him he’s in sin.” (77:40)

15. The Wedding and a Tangible Miracle (79:00–82:33)

• The wedding day included its own miracle: despite forecasted rain, they chose to hold the ceremony outside. The moment guests moved indoors, it poured—affirming their decision and God’s favor.
  • Quote: “We have the wedding outside… I promise you, the last person that came in from outside, that's when it just started pouring down rain after the ceremony.” (80:51, Malik)

16. Discovering Identity in Marriage: Sonship & Daughtership (83:33–85:56)

• Early marriage is marked by an emphasis on identity in Christ, studying Romans 8, and learning to rest as children, not slaves, before God.
  • Quote: “What he was teaching us out the gate was, ‘Hey, I love you for you, and I just want you to rest in me and be submitted to me.’” (84:24, Malik)

17. Creating a Christ-Centered Home and Spiritual Sanctuary (86:43–89:41)

• The home is described as a personal sanctuary, filled with moments of spontaneous prayer, vision, and spiritual breakthrough.

18. Partnership as a Safe Harbor (89:22–93:00)

• Both spouses reflect on being safe places for each other, practicing the ministry of presence and being actively attentive to each other’s spiritual and emotional needs.

19. Marriage as a Reflection of Christ and the Church (93:00–95:10)

• They close with reflections on how their union is designed to point others to the crucified Christ, not to themselves.
  • Quote: “Our marriage is meant to mirror that… the ultimate covenant that we have with the Lord, and it’s through His son Jesus Christ.” (95:01, Emy)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Shooter, shoot. I’m like, you just gotta say how you’re feeling and just be honest.” (20:32, Malik)
• “I’m not afraid of your brokenness… That created a greater empathy for one another.” (24:05, Emy)
• “When we confess with our mouths, it’s like, oh, this thing actually has no power over the blood of Jesus.” (32:21, Emy)
• “Find someone who is going to rock with you to the end.” (23:10, Malik)
• “We knew from the moment we started dating that hell was trembling because of what was about to come through this union.” (39:19, Malik)
• “I would argue that I turned dependent… I could finally rest at night.” (70:14, Emy)
• “You’d be John the Baptist… you would go up there and be like, ‘Yeah, King, you’re in sin and you need to stop.’” (77:50, Malik, joking with Emy)
• “He poured out on us. It was like, here’s my present, my presence. I’m here with you.” (81:24, Emy)
• “Our marriage is meant to mirror that [Christ’s covenant]… the fact that I get to live in a revelation of the resurrection of Christ each and every single day is one of the greatest blessings.” (95:10, Emy)

Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• Intro & Prayer: 00:00–07:06
• Newlywed Perspective & Mentorship: 07:06–10:56
• How We Met: 11:02–15:54
• First Vulnerabilities/Intentional Dating: 16:55–24:05
• Honesty and Confession: 24:05–34:54
• Purpose & Spiritual Warfare in Relationship: 38:33–44:32
• Engagement Challenges: 45:13–56:03
• Miraculous Provision Stories: 58:34–63:38
• Spiritual Lessons: Dependency, Submission, Identity: 64:06–85:56
• Wedding Miracle: 79:00–82:33
• Christ-Centered Marriage & Closing Reflection: 93:00–95:10

Conclusion & Takeaways

Emy and Malik’s conversation moves beyond a simple testimony to provide actionable, gospel-centered wisdom for Christian singles, dating couples, fiancés, and newlyweds. Their story models:

• Radical honesty as the foundation for trust and growth.
• The necessity of community and godly mentorship.
• God’s faithfulness in miraculous provision and spiritual confirmation.
• How spiritual warfare and struggle are often evidence of God’s purpose in a union.
• That Christ-centered love is sacrificial, safe, and life-giving.

Listeners are left with the encouragement that marriage, at its best, is not a fairy tale but a powerful, messy, redemptive partnership that puts Jesus at the center—for the good of both spouses, their community, and God’s glory.