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A
Hello. Hello, you guys, and welcome back to Saved. Not so. This is such an exciting one. This is such an exciting one. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. I'm so excited, you guys. Okay. Obviously from the title. I am an engaged.
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B
Engaged. This is my fiance, woman.
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A
Oh, yeah, Malik's here. If you're not watching, he's here, right?
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B
I'm here. Yeah. Malik's here with my fiance. Yeah.
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A
This is so exciting. We definitely wanted to, like, sit down and just talk about the engagement and stuff. You know, sometimes you just, like, look at something to put you in a trance.
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B
Like, that's the ring.
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A
That's the ring.
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B
Yeah.
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A
No, y'all, this has been, like, such a crazy past a few days because we got engaged last week. I think people think that we got engaged on Sunday.
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B
No, but it was people who's thinking. We were. We've been engaged, but we were hiding it.
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A
Oh, what, bro?
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B
Social media, everyone's like, you're engaged, but you hiding it. You're not telling us, like, all the videos that we used to post. You know what I mean?
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A
Yeah. Because people thought that we were engaged for a while. We just, like, teasing. We're just having a little silly fun time. Yeah.
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B
But we're here.
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A
Yeah. Now we're here. Now I have the ring. Obviously, he liked me, right?
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B
And I was like, obviously, you gonna find out, like, with pictures and, like, an actual proposal, not from, like, silly videos. Like.
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A
Like, let's be fair, wasn't even that many. I think it was, like, maybe, like, two or three.
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B
Yeah.
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A
No, the one that was so funny was the one that you posted. And it was like when I. When I was waiting for you at the barber shop, and he put the ring, and you put the ring emoji. And then you were like, oh, I don't know how that got there and then. But people saw the ring.
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B
Right? Because I zoomed. I was zooming into you, but people was focusing on the ring that you had.
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A
So the ring that I had on was from a brand partnership deal. And so that just kind of was a lot of compulsion.
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B
Yeah. Because I was like. Because I remember coming back to you, and I was like, bro, why is everybody freaking out over this video?
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A
Yes.
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B
Like, because usually I'm like, of course I tease all the time. But it's like, you were like, bro, because I actually got on a ring.
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A
And you put the ring emoji.
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B
But I always put the ring emoji, so I just didn't notice that you had, like, an actual ring on.
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A
Right.
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B
Which was hilarious.
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A
So it. That just together, like, gave a little something. It's okay. But Malay's here. It was so funny because the moment we got engaged, I said, please tell me you're staying here. And. Oh. And, oh, my gosh, you hurt my heart for, like, two seconds. You were like, no, I'll find out tomorrow. And I was like, oh. And you were like, I'm just playing till Friday. And I was like, yes, but that'd.
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B
Be terrible if I gave you a ring then dipped, like, what?
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A
And dipped on them.
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B
Right?
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A
So sad.
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B
Terrible.
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A
Oh, I would have been so sad. I would have cried. Absolutely.
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B
No.
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A
Yeah, yeah.
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B
Anybody?
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A
So he's. He's hearing. He's. I feel like you've just been in California so much, which has been great, but we definitely don't want to just talk about, you know, the engagement. We definitely just want to talk about, you know, what the Lord's been putting on our hearts. You know, I was even just telling, like, some things that the Lord put on my heart just on this podcast is just a number of things, because we don't want to just make it about us. We want to make about the Lord, because even our engagement is. It's not. I know. It's so funny because, like, you see the pictures, you see them on the knee, and they see me like, oh, my gosh. But, like, I believe the way Caroline took the pictures. I'm just like. You just see, these pictures are not about us, you know? And at the end of the day, that's what I would really like our marriage to replicate. And even our engagement right now is that it's so selfless. And these. This isn't just a relationship that's solely about us. Our platforms, our careers, what God has graced us with. Like, God has really put us together for the soul intention to glorify him. It's just such a kingdom work. And so I think I was going.
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B
To say, you can see that through the photos.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Caroline did an amazing job. But it's like, you can see the purity. You can see the anointing. You can see the favor. There's a lot of people that, like, messaged me and was like, man, the favorite that's on y'all is crazy. And it's like, I feel like we haven't even really got started into anything. You know, this is like the. The prereq before marriage. But it's like, for people to see the favor, to see the anointing, to see God's hand on it means a lot because I'm like, as believers, that's the one thing that we want, is for God's hand to be on everything that we're doing and just to see that that is happening for us.
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A
Yeah. And ew, like, I don't want to make it all about me. That freaking sucks. Like, that's so much pressure. I just. When. When the grace of God is upon your life, you really don't want to go anywhere except for where you're at with God. Like, I. I will never forget the quote that one of my friends told me, and she said, a righteous man who was always on his face will never fall from that position. And I remember crying out to the Lord and just being like God, I want my relationship to be one that's fully on the ground and one that is. Is so humbly submitted to you. And I don't want it to be about me. I don't want it to be about, you know, the ministry you're going to put us in. I don't want to make a golden calf of anything. I just want to be one who is obedient. And I think, you know, the. The compliments that other people have been giving us, especially when it pertains to favor. And, wow, we just see, like, the favor that's upon your life and just this anointing at. At the core, it stems from obedience. And I believe that the fruit of our relationship is. Is just manifested because of the obedience and because of our willingness to do the things of God. I mean, he instills us with that willingness, which is crazy. So it's like. It's insane. Well, that's what. That's what Ephesians tells us, is that God literally supports us with the willingness to do the things that he wants us to do. We just have to agree to it. It's like you get to choose how far you want to obey God. And I think for us, we're just so both sold out for Christ. So when it came to, you know, one another, we're like, oh, man. Like, this isn't just about me or let alone about the other person. This is just about glorifying God. It's been great. I definitely want to. I do this every podcast. Pray for the viewers. I want you to pray for the viewers.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You ready? Yeah.
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B
But we thank you for this day. We thank you for the people that are watching. We just ask God that you encounter them with your spirit wherever they may be, driving at their home, working around friends. Lord, just speak that there is a newness. Lord, There's a favor that is being bestowed upon them, but God, allowing them to understand it's because of their obedience. So, Lord, just ask God that you convict us, God, allow obedience to be our response to everything that you have for us to do, God. Allow us not to revert back into old mindsets and old things, God, that have kept us stuck and stagnant. But, Lord, we just press forward in you, God, and ask God that you just begin to be with us, God. And allow us, like in Matthew, God, to pick the narrow road, God, and not be so drawn to broad roads, God, into everything else that the world may have to offer us. But, Lord, we allow ourselves to be drawn to you, God, and allow that to be our response today, God. Obedience and to follow your will and everything that you have for us, Lord. It is so, God. Will you bless this podcast, God, will you just continue to give me an Emmy, God, Wisdom and guidance, God, and discernment, God, over what we talk about today and allow people to really feel your spirit and what we say. Because, God, we do this for you, God. And we want what we say to be just heaven sent, God. We're leaning and we need you for this, Lord. This is not us, God. And we just take out any part of our flesh, but we operate in your spirit. In Jesus name. Amen.
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A
Amen. So good. I'm gonna grill you with questions this morning, babe.
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B
Hello.
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A
Hello. What was that?
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B
Something fell.
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A
Something didn't. I'ma grill you with some questions.
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B
Okay.
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A
Okay. So we're gonna talk because I just believe, like, the Holy Spirit just gonna reveal, you know, certain parts that he wants us to talk about. We could pick a pocket and then go deep. Yeah. So when it came to the engagement, how'd you know when you were gonna do it, what it was gonna look like?
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B
Right, right, right.
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A
What did God tell you about it? Because that. I saved that question for this because I haven't asked him off camera yet. Like, what did God tell you about the engagement? And just take us through that.
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B
So it's interesting. And I'm gonna give everyone, like, a little glimpse of my relationship with God. It's. It's different because sometimes I got. I go to God for a lot of things, and I'm like, praying. I'm like, God, give me answers for this and, you know, give me clarity on this. And sometimes he will, but sometimes he won't. And he'll give me, like. Like the. Malik, whatever you decide, that is what I'm calling you to do. It's. It's Very weird. So, like, for me, it's like, you know, like, obviously, I heard the Holy Spirit tell me, like, I was gonna propose to you, but I was like, bro, I don't know what date. And for me, I'm always like, I'm just gonna allow things to work itself out. I'm gonna go and walk in it in peace and patience, and things will start to appear. Like, that's how I get clarity through walking in it. And then, as everything was happening, dates were popping up for this and certain things. And then, for some reason, October 25th was just like, okay, Holy Spirit, I see you. This is clear. This makes a lot of sense. And I see what you're doing. So usually in our relationship, we go visit. Visit each other. Like, a month.
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A
At least.
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B
At least a month. So for me, I'm thinking, what is around September? I think I was. I think you. I saw her in September because we had the conference, so October's coming around, and I was like, okay, I need to come and see her the first week of October, because I know I want to propose at the end of October. And knowing Emmy, I'm like, she's not going to be expecting me to come back again, like, twice in the same month. So my thing is like, okay, I'm a psych her out. And I was like, oh, this is a genius plan. And, like, knowing Emmy, I know she's going to be thinking about every time she wake up. She's like, I'm getting engaged today.
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A
And she's like, I have that energy every day.
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B
Every day. She's like, you're just going to fly here? And I'm like, bro, I'm not going to fly there. You know what I mean? So I was trying to, like, psych her out. But throughout the whole process and just planning, there were just certain things that I knew that I wanted. Everything else just kind of worked itself out. But the thing I really want to talk about is what I said to her at the proposal, because I felt like that was what was most important to me. And I straight up told her. I was like, bro, I don't know what I'm gonna say, but the one thing that I do want you to know is. And I said it like this. I was like, I know it's not a wedding, and I know I don't have to, like, make vows right now, but something I'm promising you is that I will always be a man of God worthy of submitting to. And that. And that felt so deep to me because you Know, and the Bible talks about women, like, submit to your husbands. And I'm like, man, how much so important is it for a man to be worthy of submitting to? And I was like, man, that's like my one promise to her is like, I will always be a man of God worthy of submitting to. And then you know the other scriptures, like, you know, obviously men loving your wife as Christ loved the church, and just understanding that that means, like, for me, it's like, I can't operate selfishly because that's not what Christ did. So in. In that, that's like the main thing.
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A
I kind of want you to talk about that more because I feel like that's something you touch on a lot, that a lot of people just kind of bypass when it comes to submission. Not even just for the wife, but then also for the husband. Because as women are supposed to be submitted under their husband, so is the man supposed to be under God. And so, I mean, we had a conversation a few weeks ago and you asked yourself a very important question, just kind of like over and over, just kind of keeping yourself in this hyper vigilant state of mind of, oh man, am I A1, am I A man who is worthy to be submitted under. So can you talk about that and just kind of how you had to be self aware in those areas and what your submission to God looks like, right?
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B
Because I think it's. I think it's so easy to look at that verse and like, look at the woman, but like, being a man, it's like, no, it's on me to be a man of God worthy of submitting to. And that submission may look different for everyone and like, you know how they do it, but at the core, it's being submitted unto God. Yeah. And that's waking up, that's praying, that's getting time with the father. Because honestly, if you're a man and you're having a hard time leading yourself, you're not fit to lead someone else. And it's crazy because there was a time when we were talking and I don't know if you remember, we were on FaceTime. And then it really hit me as we begin to talk about wedding proposal. And this is like before, you know, the engagement ring and everything. But do you remember like on FaceTime?
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A
Yeah. And it hit you and I was like, I don't get it.
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B
It hit me so hard and I'm like, bro, you're not gonna understand it. But it hit me because I'm like, I need to be In a place where I'm submitted to God because I'm making decisions for the both of us, where we're living, what. What's next? And it's. It's so real. I was talking to one of my best friends, Zion. Zion, if you see this, what's up? He. I was talking to him because he just got married, and he was saying how he's understanding as a man. There's. There's no. There's no moments where you can get caught lacking. Like, you always have to be in the spirit because there's always something else that God is trying to reveal to you. There's things that you have to do as a man to protect because you're the covering. Like, my dad tells me this all the time. Like, Emmy, she is the favor. A man that finds a wife, finds a good thing, finds the good things, and obtains favor from the Lord. Like, she is my favor, and that is her job spiritually. And for me, my job is to cover us. You know what I mean?
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A
That could make my face.
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B
It's just like, shut the trick.
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A
No, keep talking.
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B
But, yeah, I just think you're perfect sometimes.
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A
You literally just. You literally just talk, and I'm like, oh, I just love you.
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B
No, but I don't know. I just. I just think, like, to go back and to keep the example going to being. Being a man and protecting. I don't know, even just saying that, it just gave me the. The. The picture of whenever there's the enemy, whenever there's sin, whenever there's some type of judgment that, you know, is coming our way, and God is like, ah, there's this sin that you've done. Jesus is in front of us. Jesus is protecting us from the wrath we sow. Deserve from God. Yeah, but there's. There's a protection that Jesus has over us that, like, keeps us. And that's that grace. That's that favor.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know, we don't do anything to deserve it, but it. It comes from the Lord. Were you pulling up a scripture?
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A
Yeah, I was pulling up Ephesians 5, 21, where it says, submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. Pause. So it's not even just a submission because I have to. It's a submission in response to an awe I have of God. And so I believe that the submission that we have to one another and the submission I have under you and the submission that you have under God is so pure, because we don't just say God like, he's a silly name. We Truly fear, fear the Lord. And so what that means, to fear the Lord means to be in a posture of reverence. It doesn't. And at times it quite literally means to tremble at his name. And so when it comes to our relationship, and even just as individuals and how we submit solely to the Lord, we understand that man, God, our relationship will forever flourish if we just stay in a posture of reverence. And when you reverence the Lord and when you fear the Lord, I mean, Proverbs says a multitude of times that it's the beginning of wisdom. So. And what is wisdom? Wisdom is the application of knowledge. So I'm not even able to be wise or do everything that God has graced me with if I don't even fear him in the first place. And so I believe the fruits of our relationship and where we're at now, where God has called us to be, it's a response, and it's a prerequisite of just our fear and our awe and reverence for Him. And so, I mean, I think a lot of people just online or even in person will just ask us, damn, like, how is it that you guys have such a favorable relationship? God just favors you. And you could just see there's this anointing on you. And even another thing, too, just because I feel like talking about this right now, I understand my. My man is fine, and my man is everything that I wanted. Like when I tell you I had. Even when I was in the world, I saw Malik and I was like, oh, my God, right? I saw I was in the world or just coming out of the world now into the faith. And I saw Malik and I was like, that is everything that I would want in a man. The way that he looks, height, his smile, his eyes, his heart, like, everything. I was like, that's exactly what I want. And so I believe sometimes in the faith, especially when you're in times of singleness, which I was in for a long time, it was almost. There was like this pressure for me to settle for less, because if I. If I were to settle for less, then maybe I could get just like a sliver of what God promised me. But when God gives you a promise, he gives you the full, whole promise. And so I knew that when God gave me the promise of my husband, he was going to. He was going to fulfill it, and he was going to fulfill it by me trusting him.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And so I trusted the Lord. I said, okay, God, I'm just going to trust that you're going to give me everything. Like Kind of like this laundry list. And I know we're not technically supposed to do or it doesn't really say in scripture, you're not supposed to give God a laundry, a laundry list. But I was supposed specific in asking because ask you have not. Because you ask not. And I said, God, I don't want to have not because I did not ask not. And so I asked for Malik every single attribute and when he hit every single crevice of it. And when I first met him three years ago, obviously you know, we weren't dating. But then when the Lord brought us back together, I was like, oh, this is actually the man I've been praying for the moment I found Jesus. And so, you know, I didn't settle for less because I had so much faith that God was going to give me exactly who he said he was going to give me.
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B
But I was going to say the thing that we talked about this a minute ago too. But it's so good to where you remember when you said you saw me and he was like, God, I want him or somebody greater, you know, there.
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Was no one better for me.
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B
And we talked about this to where because she said she wanted me. I know even, even back then when she first met me, whether I knew it or not, the things that the Lord has for me in my life and what he where he is taking me and what he has called me to do spiritually and to walk in authority and to conquer demons, tread on serpents, all these things that I know the Lord has for my life. He had to equip. He had to mold in me to be able to walk. Are you dreading the holiday season's impact on your wallet?
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A
Shut the freak. Because this is exactly what happened. Yes, I bet whenever God saw us meet and and passion in 2020 2021, he just giggled cuz he was like, y'all don't even know because we were just friends. We said hi. You know, I was star struck. I was like, oh My God, that means so far, God, give me him. And I was literally crying out to God, not crying out to God, but I said to him, after I met you, I said, God, give me him or something better. And so we have to understand, you know, that moment of time of what that looks like lick was already rooted in his faith. B has love the Lord for a very long time. Me, on the other hand, I've been in the world and my. I didn't come from a Christian household, let alone I didn't come from church or anything church related. I was so new to the faith, I was barely reading my Bible for the first time. The week before I met you and God, I asked for God in that moment and I said, God, it's either him or something better. And so God's like, okay, I bet if this is your man, though I now have to equip you the next few years for me to give him back to you. And so what it looks like the next few years was that God equipped me for Malik. And so whenever God equipped me, Malik then saw me because God molds me into his wife.
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B
And so bro, this is like Ruth and Boaz, like, oh my gosh, this is crazy right now.
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A
This is true.
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B
No. Yes.
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A
So God had a. Mold me for three years through, you know, a lot of sanctification, a lot of pruning, a lot of going through other relationships and etc, a lot of cleansing through my life and going through trials and tribulations and conquering them and etc, finding out who the heck I am, what God has called me to do, discovering purpose. And so whenever Malik saw me again, because he saw me, it wasn't like I was reaching out to him, like you were reaching out to me. He saw me in the ministry that I was doing that God was doing through me and he said, oh man, whatever that girl got, I want to be a part of that. Even if it he didn't. Even, even if he didn't know at the time that I was his wife, there was something that God was doing on my life that obviously touched his heart somehow. Is it? So then over time we become friends, like closer friends. And then we start talking. That's when we start hanging out, etc, and then that's when the Lord was like, no, this is your destiny, partner.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And then. But yeah, I think, you know, sometimes you'll meet your person and you don't know it during the time. But I was the one who was like, God, I want him. And God was like, okay, if you want him Then I got to do some serious acceleration, spiritual acceleration in your life. And so when I tell you the past four years, I went from, like, bam, bam. And I didn't know it was for him until now, which is crazy. And for the ministry and Etc. Yeah. But I think the bigger portion, too, is just that, you know, we're not dating each other. We're not engaged or let alone starting a life together because we just think we kill.
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B
Right.
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A
You know, like, I'm not. I'm not with Malik because I'm just like, oh, like. Like he's cute. No, it's like, we're not even. Because what he does is cute. It's because our purposes truly do align in what God has called us to do. And it wasn't just a silly little game. It was. No, like, you're actually the missing puzzle piece to what God wants to complete in me. And so it's truly beautiful. I was still reading Ephesians 5, but the part where it says to submit to one another out of reverence for Christ, and it says, wives, submit to yourselves, to your own husbands, as you do to the Lord. So it's not even a, I'm making my husband my God. That's not what the scripture is saying. It's saying a submission as an irreverence, a submission as, okay, I'm going to trust you because I reverence you, because there's an awe I have of you. And so I believe even the past. This past year of us being together, I've learned a lot of what it means to be submitted. Even in the girlfriend stage, there's times where Malik has quite literally had to tell me to stop and just be like, emmy, I need you to stop trying to do it on your own and trust me just for a moment. And every time I do, it works out right.
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B
Yeah, that's. I feel like that's all I have asked for in our relationship, is to just trust me. Like. Like, if you say you want to do this, allow me to do what I need to do.
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A
Right.
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B
And why sometimes that's hard.
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A
I'm not going, Cap. But it's because. The reason that's why it's hard, though, is because I didn't even grow up for a reverence for, like, my. My parents.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And so I was just on my own for a really long time. I had to make my own money. I had to do a lot on my own. I had to hold myself down. I'm the oldest, the eldest daughter, and my parents had me super young. So there was just like a. Excuse me. There was like a lot of secret battles that I was experiencing. So I came. I was a super hyper independent, almost sort of masculine in a sense woman that then had to learn how to be more feminine, which has been beautiful. And learn, you know, what does it actually mean to submit, essentially. So yeah, it's going. But yeah, yeah, I was, I was still reading though. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now, as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should also submit to their husbands in everything. Husbands love your wives just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her. Can you talk about that? To make her holy, cleansing her by. With the washing of the water through the word. And presents to her to himself as a radiant church without a stain or a wrinkle or any other blemish. But holy and blameless. In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his. He who loves his wife, loves himself. After all, no one ever hated their own body. But they fed and care for their body just as Christ does the church. For we are members of his body. For this reason, a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. This is a profound mystery, but I am talking about Christ in the church. However, each one of you must also love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband. It's so funny because I feel like we read this and I feel like a big thing in like church or even just church. Doc is like the wives have to submit, but then you actually go to the. To the verse and it's talking about the men more. Yeah, so can you talk about that?
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B
Hold on, I'm trying to read it again.
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A
Yeah, you can read it. It's so good. Yeah. I think we read these scriptures and we think, oh man, it's like get it on the wife's head. And it's like, no, it's actually Lena, the man know that. No, the way that you love your wife is the same measure that you actually love yourself.
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B
No, I love that you have what, what you have highlighted too. Like 26. Get this. It's to make her holy, to make her cleansed, just as Christ has done that for us. He's purified us. So we can't. We cannot look at like a relationship and we see that the girl is doing all this and it's just out Here wiling without first seeing who is leading.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Because it's definitely on the man. A lot of the stuff always falls back on the man, because what is he doing to lead? What is he doing to purify? What is he doing to everything that's here? Cleanse to make it holy and make it a pure relationship.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Through, like, the lens of the Bible and what God is saying.
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A
Right. Because the wife and the partner is the representation of the leadership that the man is executing. And so it's like, even if you want to take. I heard Jackie Hill Perry and Preston Perry talk about it the best, Preston understood that, you know, Jackie was the one who was going on a lot of stages and preaching and all these things, but before it was ever about her, it was all always her representing his leadership. And so when you see a married woman speaking the gospel and doing the things of God and etc, it's all a representation of who she submitted under. And so if she's going on a stage and she's speaking all these things and doing the things of God, then that's just replicating what's happening at home. And it doesn't necessarily have to be someone who's in ministry. It could also be someone who's in business and you could. Or someone who just has a friendship and knows how to understand or understands how to resolve conflict or whatever it may be is okay. A woman executes certain behaviors and etc. Because it's a repercussion of the submission that she's under when it comes to her husband.
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B
Right. And I was going to say, and this is like more on the guy side too, because I brought this up to Emmy before, and it's like, if you're not careful, you can definitely slide into insecurity as a man if you don't know who you are. Especially, like, because just if y'all know Emmy, Emmy independent, she bold, she gonna talk her talk. And if I was not a man who was securing God, I would see everything she's doing and be like, oh, my gosh. Like, that's like. Like, you would see it as competition. Right. If I'm be honest, you would see it as competition and jealousy. And when you're not, like, spiritually aware with exactly that. She just said that everything that she is speaking and saying is flowing from you as the head or as a leader in marriage or in a relationship, then you're gonna be fine. But that's like something you need to remember and not, like, be so insecure in your own walk with Christ. Because then if you are at that point, you don't know who you really are.
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A
And so the secret to that you just said is staying in the Spirit.
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B
Yeah.
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A
If you fail to see the things of God and seeing where he's operating, then you're not going to see what he's doing through your part. You're going to take it as competition, as an insecurity of, oh man, I need a one up and I need a. I need to do, I need to get above whatever it may be. But if you stay in the Spirit and if you continuously see the things of God and how he's moving in that individual's life, then you're not going to be insecure because you understand it's never about you in the first place.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And so everything that I do is not about me. It's all about the kingdom. And so the moment that Malik assumes that it's all about me, that's whenever he's in trouble.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But you have to kill that expectation. You have to kill that assumption. Because if you don't, you're gonna fall into that trap of insecurity. I think that's why, you know, a lot of men kind of try to lead from a place that is vain because it's insecure. And you're insecure because you're failing to see in the spirit of what God is doing through your partner. And then that's whenever people get confused of submission and abuse essentially is men. Or maybe you could just talk about this because I'm not a guy, but just from girlfriends that I've been with and etc. Wait, not like girlfriends like my friends that are girls.
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B
You always gotta clarify, like.
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A
Yeah, just gotta clarify.
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B
Right.
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A
Because you're gonna see in the comments, hey, what's that? She had a girlfriend.
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B
Yeah.
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A
She was gay. That would have been crazy. No, I have not. But some of my friends that were women have been with men and they would just kind of pervert scripture in order to be misogynistic. And it was because, oh, well, because I'm the head of you, then you got to do what I say. And you can't do this because. Okay, now you're just being abusive.
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B
Yeah, because I'm like at that point, if you're leading in manipulating the Bible to your own standard as a man and never allowing like your wife or your girlfriend at the time to give you clarity or give you any advice or anything, then there is no favor brought to that. Like there is, there is nothing that the Lord will be Able to use in that for him to get glory. Because the one thing that I realized from the jump of our relationship was this is something that the Lord has sent me. This is his daughter in which I have received favor. So everything that I have done in our relationship is in the understanding of knowing that eventually when we get married, even in like our relationship now, that I will not be able to proper functionally as in my purpose as a man of God without her. So I'm like, if you. One cannot understand, like, okay, you need like, like your wife. Like, you need your partner. And you're like, walk in it. Like, you, like, you need that and not take it for advantage or kind of manipulate the Bible to your own standards to where you're. What is it like an authoritarian?
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A
Authoritative.
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B
Yep, authoritative over. Over her.
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A
Authoritarian is.
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B
I don't know what I was thinking.
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A
About you just trying to sound smart?
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B
No, bro, that's a. That's a word.
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A
Authoritarian. Authorization. That's the first one. No, that's so good. That's so good. And so, I mean, going back to the. To the engagement, I love that out of all things, that was the one thing where you're like, I need a. I need to say this and I need to do this right, bruh.
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B
That was the one thing I had on my mind the whole time. I was just like, bro, I just need for you to know this.
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A
Yeah, I know it. That. And I think out of everything you did say, that was the one thing I remembered to wear because, you know, well, just kind of tell you guys about the engagement. Just kind of give tea, I guess. Story time was that he told me so. So this is how the surprise happened. He told me that he had to preach a message. And he sent me, you know, the outline and everything. He was talking about job and elephant, fake sermon, everything. He's like, oh, yeah, I'm preaching. I got hired at this or as a speaker at this church. There's a part of me that already thought it was cap. And so I go, okay. Then the same day, while I'm in la, I have to go to one of my friends surprise birthday party parties and I have to wear all white. That don't sound suspicious at all. And so then I was like, okay, so my man not gonna talk to me all this day and I have to go to a surprise birthday party and wear white is given proposal. And so I was just kind of like, okay, yeah. I don't know. There was just other factors that was just kind of like, I'm not Sure. But there was a part of me, it was just kind of like this would make sense, but I almost didn't believe myself enough to actually believe it. And so then whatever it had happened because here's the thing, I was like. And, and this is what's so funny about myself. Usually whenever, you know, people are. Women are about to get engaged, someone gotta like distract them all day and just, you know, keep them to the side, not be on their phone. I distracted the dog crap out of myself.
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B
Right?
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A
I didn't need nobody. And that, I feel like that within itself just describes me to the T. Because I was working all day. I was up at 4:30am and I was not done. We got, we got back to my city at what time? 2:00am because we had to drive from LA all the way back to my hometown cuz I don't live in la and my whole family was there and everything. And oh my gosh, you're so amazing. And people were flying in from all over. But I remember I just distracted the absolute crap out of myself and then, you know, got ready. I'm not thinking of anything. I had a really amazing holy spirit encounter with one of my best friends at the flea market where I'm selling clothes. And when I got to the event or when I, when I got to the proposal and I did it was the proposal. It's beautiful. It's in Malibu. And here's the thing, I wasn't tripping and thinking, oh, like Malik's in Malibu because Chelsea, which was the, the person we, we thought we was throwing the surprise birthday party for, or me, just me. I knew that she had a family friend in Malibu that had horses. So I was like, oh, this is the house with the horses. Like that's what I was thinking. So I was like, oh, this makes sense because Chelsea's there. Just makes sense. And so then we're walking up and it's so quiet walking up. And I remember Ally and Ashley were waiting for me and they were just like, you know, you go first, you go first. And I was like, what the freak? I remember walking in and seeing the roses on the floor. And I remember, first thing I'm thinking, dang, they went crazy for Chelsea. That was the first thing I thought. And I poked my head over like this and I just saw him like so face I. And I went, oh my God. I was right. Like I, I was so in disbelief that I was right, that I was so. It felt like my body was there. And then you picked the inside of me out and then you put her in somewhere and had her take a nap. And then my body just experienced all of it. It was so such a surreal experience that, you know, you think you're prepared for that moment, and then it happens and you're like, oh, my gosh, this is so insane. And so then I remember I was just thinking, what can I do in this moment? As I was like, okay, I don't want to get, I don't want to get proposal with my purse on. Let me take off my purse. I had, I had my promise ring on my hand. I said, done with her because we finna get a new shiny bling bling. And so then he come gets me, and I'm just like, bruh, what's happening? We're walking, we're walking. I just, I don't really remember much. I remember you were speaking, but just sounded like I remember what I was saying. It was just such a surreal moment. And then I just remember I was just crying and crying and crying. And then you look out the view and you see the ocean and the trees and then the mountains. It just felt like we were quite literally on heaven. It was insane. And then you asked me if you want to marry me. I obviously said no. I said yes and. Yeah. And then surprised me with all my friends and family. His family he surprised me with. He flew in my best friend, Amoya, all the way from New York. She's never been on a plane. And it was just such an amazing time. And all I thought to myself was, wow, God, like, this is so beautiful that not only is this something that we get to experience with one another, but that we get to experience with our loved ones and with people. I, I, I don't know. It just felt so much bigger than just me and you. It felt like community.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I, I just enjoyed our, our, the proposal and everything so much because it just felt like it was not just about us. It was just so much about God's people, like, as a whole. I don't know how to explain that, but it was so beautiful. I loved it.
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B
And I feel like even in our relationship, a lot of people always tell us that this relationship has been so healing for me and so, and so much of a light to where God is using you to, to help other people.
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A
Yeah.
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B
There's a lot of people who reached out to me and told me, like, man, you, you are setting the standard. Like, this is a great example of what godly marriage or godly like, relationship should look like. And even when we know like even at our wedding, like, even people that aren't saved are gonna be saved that day and understand, like, all right, God is real. And this is how he's so real to us because of our relationship. We've been through. I feel like we've been through so much in 11 months of dating to where it's absolutely insane. It feels like years.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Of stuff. But I know God just had to like, really like elevate us, but also like really speed up our process.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Because of where he is trying to take us.
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A
Yeah. So I think that's something that even people, even, you know, want to ask is, you know, why get married or get engaged so quickly? What's the rush? What is, is it even a rush? Is that a short amount or a good amount of time? How do you know that that's the person you're supposed to marry? And even it was so funny because with the proposal, people were in the comments like, Emmy Moore's age, I'll tell you right now, I'm 23 years old and Malik's 25. And so I think that's honestly a perfect age. But to sum up the question, and I want you to add the reason as to why God has called us to marriage. Because you're called to marriage. You're not just. It's not just something where it's like, oh, like silly fun time. No, marriage is like, is a calling. Paul makes that very apparent through his scriptures and, and what he's written is that marriage isn't just something that is silly or fun. You're called to it. And when you're called to it, you gotta execute it. And so we understand that the favor that's upon our marriage and the things that God is calling us to do, it's inherited onto us because we consider, consistently touch and agree with him. And so the reason as to why, you know, we got engaged 11 months in, because our, our one year anniversary is a month or less than a month, three weeks away. And the reason as to why God is calling us to get married is because where he wants to take us and we've done. It's kind of funny because I feel like people will wait. I just feel like being bold can't do that.
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B
Yeah, go ahead.
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A
Okay. I just feel like being bold and this is an opinion I'm sharing, but this is just something I've observed is that when it comes to, oh man, like, maybe you should just wait a little longer, etc, it's honestly, if you're doing the things of God, if you're staying obedient, if you're elevating in the spirit, and you're doing the work that you're supposed to do, then the time slot isn't as big as you think it is. Because I known people who have been together for four, six, seven, eight years, still not engaged, still not together, or. Or. Or three years, whatever it may be, and they're making no progression in the spirit. No progression in the spirit. And so the reason as to why God had called us to marriage with engagement so soon is because you guys don't see our personal lives, but just to give you kind of a glimpse of. Of what it is, is that we're always at work, we're always improving ourselves and one another. It's not just, oh, I got a boyfriend and he's fine, and I'm just gonna hang out with him. And I. I just like that he next to me, it's. No. We're consistently being rebuked and convicted and called higher, and we do it. And so God has called us into marriage because we're moving fast in the things of Him. And I think the reason as to why other people aren't engaged, you know, a year, two years, or three years, or whatever year mark it is, is because you could be together, but are you growing together? Because people are together, but they're not growing. This is an opinion. I'm just stating that we have a lot of biblical truth, but that's just an observation I've made, is that a lot of people have been together for a long time, but you're not growing in the spirit, and you wonder why there's not a ring on your finger is because you're refusing to grow. What do you want to say?
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B
I'm trying to, like, hold my.
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A
You don't have to.
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B
No, because it's just. It's. I can piggyback on that because I know people, but you just have to be obedient. Just please be obedient. If you're in a relationship and you feel God is calling you to do something, just do it. That's it. That's it. That's. Just be obedient. I feel like in everything that you said, that's just my one thing. Just be obedient. Be obedient to everything he's asking you to do. And also, and this is for people who watch us, who see our relationship, and this is something that I want to tell you. Whether this is you or not, maybe it's your neighbor to the side of you. Maybe your best friend, maybe this is not you. But if you look at any godly relationship and you wish that was you, or if you get jealous or envious of what you see other people doing, understand that that is also for you to do. Like, you can also do those things. You just have to be pure, walk uprightly, walk in obedience. Like, people see us and they're like, oh, my gosh, you guys are doing amazing things. Yes, you can do the same thing.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, it's not just for us to do the things of God. It's like, for sure we're gonna do it because we're gonna be obedient, and we know what God has called us to, but it's like, you can do the same thing. So it's like, there should not be no envy. There shouldn't be. There should not be no strife. If we say we're all walking in kingdom, because, like, God has the same thing that he's, like, telling everybody. Like, there's a lot of messages that God is saying, hey, I really need for this person to go do this. But they're. They're a little caught up by the world and what they got going on. So I'm gonna go to the next person. But God is like, man, I wouldn't have to pass up on you if. If the first time I said it, you would just do it. So I'm like, when you see us or other people, just know that that is also your portion too.
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A
Yeah, you have the same access that we have. And so I think that's a struggle that people have, is that people will look at Malik and I's life and the things that God is calling us to do and say, dang, I wish I had that, or, wow, I wish I had a relationship like that. We've had people tangibly, multiple. I would say probably dozens and dozens of people physically come up to us and say, wow, you just inspire me relationally, and I want a relationship that looks like yours. And so God has used both of us as pioneers in the faith to tell you that you can have a relationship just like this because we're physical, living proof that all things are possible. If you just stay obedient to God. It's simply just that if you're obedient to the things of God, if you're doing what he's telling you to do, if he's telling you to quit the smoking, if he's telling you to let go of the partying and let go of those friends and get a get out of that household and get up and out of your trauma, then he will give you exactly what he has promised you. Because this scriptures. The scriptures isn't just, oh, this is what I promised Emmy and Malik. He says, no, this is what I promise everyone who believes in me. So the question is, how deeply do you believe in God that he's going to do it for you? Because essentially, this is what he has promised you. This is what he's promised you. And so we understood that if God has promised me this and I could step into that promise just by being obedient, then I'm gonna be obedient to the things of God. And so then it's not fair to us, because people are envious off of a relationship that they could obtain on their own if they were just faithful to the things of God instead of jealous and envious of something that they won't have because of their own perception and deceit of what they think something is. And it's like, you get the relationship, you get the favor, you get the anointing not by sitting and wishing, but by. But by getting up and going forth and being obedient. It's like, you're not gonna get a relationship like ours if you just sit and watch us like we watch God. We follow Jesus. Like, the reason as to why our relationship holds so much fruit is because we just follow Jesus's footsteps, and that's it. And sometimes we're not going to be perfect, but if we stumble, we're gonna fix it right away. There's not. There hasn't been a lot of situations to where we've stumbled and we've stayed there. Like our. I feel like something that's been great in our relationship is our ability to bounce back. It's. It's. Hey, I'm not gonna stay here because I. You have to remember what God has called you to do, because the moment you remember that, it's like, oh, dang. Like, I'm not gonna stay stagnant. I'm not gonna stay still. I'm not gonna stay stuck in my distress. I'm gonna grow. You know what? Sure, I messed up. I'm learning how to come out of this trauma, how to reconcile with people that I've had a hard time reconciling with. And I'm gonna go and press forth with the things of God. And so the goal which I really want to preach to y'all, it's not me and Malik. It's Jesus. At the end of the day, it's. It's really Jesus. And so when like our relationship is just a gift that God has brought onto us, it's not. This isn't the end goal. The end goal is, is God. And I experience God on a deeper level level through you. That's that.
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B
I want to share some scriptures. Righteousness. Right? We're going. Proverbs 3, verse 3. It says, Let not mercy and truth forsake you. Bind them around your neck, write them on the tablet of your heart, and so find favor and high esteem in the sight of God and man. I think that's so good. And understanding that favor comes from the Lord. If you want backup scripture. Psalms 84:11, right. Agreeing with that favor comes from the Lord. Verse 11 says, for the Lord God is a sun and shield. The Lord will give grace and glory. Other versions say that the Lord will give favor and honor. No good thing will he withhold for those who walk uprightly. So we understand, like walking righteously with the Lord, he gives us favor. And then 12 it says, oh Lord of hosts, blessed the men who trust in you. So favor comes from the Lord if we trust in him. Going back to Proverbs 3, verse 5, Trust in the Lord with all your heart. Lean not to your own understanding. In all thy ways, acknowledge him, and he shall direct your path. I love the Bible because it gives us clear like instruction. Like if you do these things, this is how you receive the goodness of the Lord. 7 Do not be wise in your own eyes, but fear the Lord and depart from evil. Fear the Lord and depart from evil. Fear the Lord, have reverence, have honor for the Lord, and then depart from evil. It will be I got new came new King James Version, it says, it will be healeth to your flesh and strength to your bones. And that is how you see the favor. Fear of God, trust in him, and it will heal you.
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A
That's so good. Even Proverbs 16:6 says, through love and faithfulness, sin is atoned for. Through the fear of the Lord, evil is avoided. And so it's like you literally avoid evil when you stay in a reverence place of the Lord. And even through love and through faithfulness, sin is atoned for. Whose love? Jesus's love and his faithfulness. Through God's love and his faithfulness, sin is atoned for. There's an atonement for the sin that we've committed. And even as I'm reading in Galatians, it's like, you know, when we think of grace because we understand we're graced for this. And when you understand your grace for it, then you're going to start moving in faith, which is accompanied by works. And so you don't get favor like this through just works. And you don't get favorite like this when you're trying to imitate a Pharisee. You get favor like this when you're faithful to God. And what does Hebrews 11:1 tell us? Hebrews 11:1 tells us that faith is not what we see, it's actually what we don't see. It's confidence and what we hope for. And so the reason as to why we're able to operate in the grace that God has given us and for this relationship is because there's a confidence we have in God that we don't see. We just experience it and we choose to believe it. And so when you have faith in the things of God and even if, if you're not completely faithful right now, then just be humble before the Lord. What does it mean to be humble? It means to be honest, be humble before him and just say, you know what, God? I'm not super faithful in these areas because I've been crushed, I've been hurt, I've been let down. I don't know where I see your hand in this. And the more that you're humble, the Lord is going to exalt you in that position. Because what does the Bible say? The Bible says that he is strong in our weakness. So every time you present your weakness, that's an opportunity for God to execute his strength. And so just being humble before the Lord, saying, you know what, God, if this is you, and if this pertains to you, God, man, I just don't know how to be faithfulness in my single singleness season. I don't know what, what it looks like when it pertains to marriage and etc. I want to talk about something really quick too, that just popped up in my head. I'm a pop. I'm a pin it, pin it, pin it, God, I don't, I don't know why there's. I haven't gotten into a place of relationships or, or to the next level of faith and etc. And I'm gonna say something that I told you yesterday.
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B
I knew that's what you're about to go. When you said pennant, I was like, oh, no, no, I know where you're going. So it's good.
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A
The reason as to why God has entrusted us to submit to one another is because we've learned how to submit under his church. And so a lot of People are unlocking the next level of their lives, AKA from singleness to then a relational status, AKA marriage, whatever it may be, is because how do you expect. How do you expect God to send you a man for you to submit under when you don't even know how to submit under your own church? And so when it came to us coming together, I've served in my church the past four years. I've served in high school ministry. I don't hop on this podcast, and I don't boast about that a whole lot, because that's just what God has called me to do. Malik has served under his parents sacrificially his whole life. And so the reason as to why God has entrusted us to submit to one another is because we've submitted under his body, Jesus. And so a lot of people aren't getting grace for relationships because you won't get under a church, you won't get under mentorship, and you won't get under Christ's. You won't get under the Lord's body because you're just wanting to make a dream for yourself come true before. Before God uses you to fulfill his mission in another church. You want to add on to that babe, bro.
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B
That's. That's it. Like, you hit on that like that.
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A
Wait, I want to talk about that, though, because it's like mentorship. Like, what do you mean? Like my dad? Like.
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B
No, like, yes.
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A
Someone who was rooted in God.
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B
Yes.
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A
It's as simple as this. Elijah. Or there before. Hold on. Elisha. Elijah. Wait, Elijah. Elisha.
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B
Elijah was the first Elisha.
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A
If you want to operate in the. In the anointing of Elisha, then you got to get under an Elijah if you want to operate. Everyone talks about how they want to be David. Oh, I want the same things that David had. David was submitted under a saw.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And Saul was not a good dude. I'm not saying get under a bad mentor. What I'm saying is that learn how to submit even when it doesn't look the way that you think it is.
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B
Jesus.
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A
And so it's like, I think submission is such an interesting topic because, you know, the women will talk about, oh, yeah, I got to learn how to be a submitted wife. Learn how to be a submitted daughter first. We're learning how to be a Proverbs 31 woman before we're even a woman. Like a daughter first. Like you're trying to be a wife before you're even a daughter. What. What is God calling you to right now? Before he's calling you to be a wife.
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B
Yep. We watch this thing.
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A
Yeah. Maybe I should put it in the description.
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B
Boy, it's so good, it'll bless you. But the one thing that we watched, she said this. She said, if the anointing flows from the head down, where did you get yours from? So it's like you have to be mentored in order to receive the mantle, to carry it out. And there's a lot of false people that's out here, false flagging, saying they got this, they saying they got that. But it's like, where did yours come from? It's like, it has to be passed down. We talk about David, Saul, we talk about Elijah, Elisha. It's like, where is yours coming from?
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A
And I know this is such an unpopular thing to preach.
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B
Nobody wants to mention.
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A
No one wants to hear this, and no one wants mentorship because no one wants to be rebuked. And no one wants to be called out on where they're wrong, accountable. But someone has to do it. Someone has to hold you accountable. And I'm going to say this confidently because I've heard testimonials. I've seen it in. In churches themselves. The reason as to why you see these pastors cheating on their wives, why there's embezzlements and all these things, is because they fail to get up under somebody. And they trusted in their own anointing and never allowed anyone to oversee them. It's simply that you wonder why people get caught up in the church and. And why they start making all these mistakes. It's because they're operating in their own strength and they're not operating in community. And so it's like, oh, Emmy, are you just saying this? This is scripture all day? Jesus was submitted under God, and Jesus was technically God. He is God. He is the Lord. David was under Saul. Elisha was under Elijah. Even Saul had armor bearers. Even people like, oh, my gosh, Timothy was under Paul. It's like you go all throughout Scripture and somebody was always under somebody. And it's like the moment we say the disciples was under Jesus, the people were. There were certain people under the disciples. It's like the moment we talk about mentorship, it's. It's. It's a weird topic. And that's when the occult assumptions come up. Are you a part of a cult? And it's like, no, it's just like, we actually just know how to be taught. We know what it means to be students. And so it's like, you know, where's that anointing? And where's that mantle coming from? You just think it, it just comes out of the air. It's like. No, it's. It comes as a repercussion of prayer. People who have prayed for you. And like, even when you think of the great covenant that God gave Abraham, it got passed down a very specific way through people who were faithful full. It started with Abraham, then it went to Isaac. Esau didn't want the dang anointing, so then it fell onto Jacob. Why? Because Jacob wanted it and Esau did not. So it's the same thing when it comes to. To the anointing and the things that God is calling you to. So God is calling you to a place. Are you going to be like Esau when you, when where you deny the inheritance and you're trying to do it in your own strength, or to where you understand the value of the inheritance and you're going to seek after it? It's simply that Jacob submitted under Rebecca's uncle or brother Laban, because he worked under him for years. That's how he got Rachel and Leah. And it's because he learned how to submit. So maybe God is not pushing you out of your season of singleness because you haven't figured out how to rest under somebody who is wiser than you. That's it. And it's okay. Church, please hear me, because I love you. It's okay to not be the smartest person in the room, right? And it's okay to be not right. Because when you're not right, that gives you the space to grow. There was no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. So when you're under mentorship and when you have a house cultivating you and covering you and putting you in a place to where you could get exalted under the things of God through mentorship and through submission and etc. It's a good thing because you're not relying on. On yourself. Like the body comes together. And so when you're failing to reach mentorship, you're just basically saying, God, I don't want everything that you have for me and I want to do it myself. It's simply that it's like basically, I don't know, it's just like you basically saying that you don't want your parents. It's like, oh, I don't need them. It's like even in the natural, we're naturally submitted under somebody, like we're naturally submitted under our parents. That's just a natural thing. So if it happens in the natural, how much more does it need to happen in the spirit? And, y'all, this isn't just something we grab it out of nowhere. This is all scriptural. So if you want to read about that on your own, we can't talk about it too. Too much. But if you do want to read it on your own, I would highly suggest reading about Elisha and Elisha and even how the. The. All the prophets. Back in biblical times, we talk about Isaiah, Ezekiel, Elijah, Elisha, they were overseeing the kings. The kings, the majority of the time, submitted themselves under the prophets. So I think of, like, Jeroboam on the top of my head. He was submitted under Elisha because he would go to Elisha in times of need. So it's like, go. Go look at. I would go look at the kings. I would look at first and Second Samuel. I would look at even. Even Saul was submitted under Samuel. Like, y'all, there's so many things. Just look it up. There's a ton of stuff. This is. Isn't just something we're pulling out of our butts. And this isn't something that we're just, like, lollygagging about because, you know, like, mentorship is hard. I mean, that's. That's.
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But you. But you need it, because that's what's going to get you to your next level.
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And it's unpopular to preach, but it has to be preached because America has a huge discipleship problem, because people are refusing to get under somebody, and they're operating in this weird, freaking whimsical faith, and they just think, oh, if, you know, I don't need church. I don't need to get plugged into a church. I don't need to serve. I could just, like, do whatever I want and pick and choose things of God. And it's like, no, like, you're actually not pleasing God when you're doing what he commands. And, you know, there's a point where there's grace if you don't know. But if you do know and you're just choosing not to do it, like, are you really being obedient to the things of God? What are you gonna say?
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I forgot. Oh, dang. Yeah, I started something.
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Yeah, it's okay.
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No, it's just. It's just on.
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Sorry, I got fired up.
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No, you're good. I definitely forgot what I was about to say.
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Father God, give it to his brain right now. In Jesus mighty. Name it. Go give it to him. It's okay. If you don't got it. Maybe it just wasn't supposed to be said. Does he have anything to say in general?
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Oh, it was that you need mentorship for your next level. And sometimes when we're in the fire, we can't see the things that we're struggling and dealing with. So we need someone on the outside looking in to help us. And for me, that's my spiritual parents, who are my actual parents. And there, there, there been. There's been plenty of times where I was sat down and talked to on things that I needed to pray to God about and seek deliverance from because I couldn't see it because I was so focused on what I had going on, fleshly things. And then I had to get brought back. My dad always loves bringing up Revelations 3 to where, you know, the Lord chastised those he love. And obviously the Lord loves all of us. So therefore, there will be rebuke. There will be rebuke if we say the love. If we say we love the Lord and we're. We're trying to do the things that he has for us. Sometimes we fall into those areas to where we need him to come in. Like David had his moment to where he did what he did with Bathsheba and the prophet came and rebuked him. I think it's Prophet Nathan came and rebuked him and told him, like, hey, this is about to happen and you lost your son because of the actions. And sometimes we need mentorships so one that we can learn our lessons through what someone else has already gone through so that we don't have to go through it. And that's simple. If, like, if we just will humble ourselves and say, hey, this would save you a lot of hardship and heart ache if you would just be obedient to the things that your mentor is trying to tell you and to trying to, like, guide you through because they've gone through it. And a lot of the times, like we go through things and we deal with stuff is because we want to be disobedient and continue to live the way we want to live.
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And there's a lot of things you could avoid if you were to just humble yourselves and listen to your mentors, because they could be the very answer that could pull you up and out of your fire. And so I think that's why the fruit of our relationship is so potent, is because we've really rested under our mentors and we've been obedient and we've been rebuked. And what it Means to be rebuked. It's not an abusive term. It's actually tender when you see it for what it is. Rebuke is actually tender and loving for what it is. And I think of Galatians when it talks about, do you not understand that. That God's rebuke and that his gentleness and kindness is intended to lead you back to repentance. Rebuke is an act of kindness. It's an act of. And it should be done gently. Always. When you ever you rebuke somebody, it's not supposed to be something that's like, oh, you suck and you did this and you're this. It's not accusatory, it's not manipulative, it's not boastful, it's tender, it's compassionate, it's stern and it's reverent because it's intended to bring you back to the heart of the Father at the end of the day. Because I bet some people could, you know, listen, listen to how we're talking about mentorship and be like, you know, why do I need mentorship when the Bible says that the only mediator between me and God is Jesus? Like, why would I need another person? Why would I need that mentorship if I have direct communication with the Lord? Well, it's the same way that just like how you ask somebody to pray for you, it's like, it's, it's community, it's, it's working together. It's the same reason as to why you would go to therapy is because you need help and because you understand you can't do it in your own strength. And when we see even the disciples working with one, with one another, each of them had a very specific gift and they were used for very, very specific things as well. But they came together to help one another and, but not for themselves, but to do the things of God. And so mentorship at its core is community. But it's going under somebody who is wiser and smarter than you. And listening to them not because they're God, but because they've received wisdom and instruction from God that you haven't unlocked yet because you just haven't hit that stage of wisdom. It's the same reason as to why people say, oh, why do I need to get under mentorship? If I could just talk to God directly, well, then I would ask you then, why do you go to church and listen to a pastor? It's the same thing. It's just that you're having a one on one it's discipleship at its core. That's what it is. Mentorship is discipleship. It's true discipleship. And so I think there's a lot of people who think that they're getting discipled. And you go to church every day, but you have no relationship with your pastor. It's like, learn how to develop that healthy relationship so you could get rebuked in the areas where you need to get rebuked. And so then you could go further and further and further, and God could take you to that nice level.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it was really good. It is. Is there anything that you wanted, you wanted to say?
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I think. I think everything that I feel like the Lord gave me, we touched on.
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Yeah, I know.
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It's really good.
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Yeah, it was really good. And, you know, I think we're just really excited if. If there's just anything, you know, obviously, keep us in prayer, y'all, for these next few months and what the. What the Lord has in store. It's super exciting. It's really awesome. And y'all let us know.
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B
Could y'all see the difference from the first time we came on, when we first.
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A
Oh, right.
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B
Started dating until, like, now. Please put it in the comments. Like, write us.
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You're like, I want to read.
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Yeah, I think that'd be so amazing to see. Like what? Like, the difference people noticed from the first time we spoke on your podcast to, like, right now.
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A
I sense it now. But, yeah, y'all, we actually gotta go because I gotta. We gotta do some stuff today. Yes, yes. So a few announcements. Well, first of all, thank you, Malik, for coming on and being my man. Thanks for putting a gorgeous ring on my finger and being the best man ever. A few announcements, y'all. We're gonna let you go. We love you so much, and we're praying for you as well. Our heart just, like, goes out to each and every single one of you. Okay, few things. Okay, first. First thing. Wait, There's a million things. Okay, so I'm gonna say announcement number one is I said this on my Instagram and I also said this on TikTok. Is that once a week, because I'm in the Cali area, I'll be in LA at Silver Lake Flea Market every Friday from 10:30 to 3:30pm selling vintage clothes. If you want to come hang, say what's up. If you want to. If you want to support a little Christian small business, come do it. Because we're bringing Jesus to the marketplace, essentially. So that's happening. And the reason, as to why that's happening is because God wants to put his people everywhere and he's called me to do that. So if you want to come say what's up, come say what's up. Another thing, if you feel led to donate towards this podcast or tie towards this ministry, there's a link down below. If you got saved through this podcast or at any moment and you gave your life to Jesus, there's another link down below. And if you have any prayer requests, there's also another link down below. If you want to shop any of the merchandise it is also on save not soft shop.com there's going to be a lot more fun stuff coming out. Pieces that scream Emmy. We've been doing a lot of T shirts because we had to do that to start it up, but we're coming out with a lot more pieces. Recently just did a giveaway as well to all the five people who received their brand new spacing bibles and their makeup. That was just such a pleasure to do and it was so amazing and so awesome. And coming up on the holiday season there is going to be a lot more opportunities to do a lot more things, fellowship and community wise, whether if it's in person in Cali and also online with giveaways and helping people and giving back to the communities. That's going to be coming up soon, which I'm super, super, super excited about. And then last thing, we've curated a website. And this is isn't just necessarily because we're like, oh my gosh, give us your money. We have friends and family. And obviously when it comes to wedding planning and all these things, it's pretty common for couples, not even just creators, like couples in general, to curate a website with like the registry for home funds, wedding funds, honeymoon funds and etc. And we obviously that was curated for our friends and family, but we've extended it out to you guys as well. So if any of you guys feel led to donate and give onto us and what the Lord is doing through our marriage and etc, the website will also be down below. But there's also no pressure and we really don't care if y'all do it or not. The thing we would actually ask if anything is lots of prayer. Lots of prayer and intercession before you were to even donate a dollar. Like just pray for us because we really don't care about the money. It's just an opportunity if anyone feels led because we know that people ask. So we're just leaving it open for people to give and that's that. Yeah. You want to say anything?
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B
Is there anything else?
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No, I think that's it.
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B
Yeah, I think. Thank you for having me on. It's really cool. I love talking.
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A
Thanks for being my fiance. Hey.
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B
My fiance.
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A
And he put a ring on it.
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B
I did. I did.
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A
Yes.
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B
That's so crazy. It still doesn't feel real.
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A
Yeah. It was such a surreal experience.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Well, I love you.
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B
I love you, too. I live in the most value, the mostest.
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A
Okay. And we love you guys. We love you guys so much. Thank you for listening to this podcast, and I will see you two weeks from today. I love you guys. And we'll talk soon.
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B
God bless you.
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A
Bye.