Fraud Friday: Camp Chaos w/ Behzad Dabu

Summary

Scam Goddess Podcast Summary
Episode: Fraud Friday: Camp Chaos w/ Behzad Dabu
Release Date: May 16, 2025
Host: Laci Mosley (Scam Goddess)
Guest: Behzad Dabu

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Introduction

In this episode of Fraud Friday, Scam Goddess Laci Mosley teams up with guest Behzad Dabu to delve into the murky waters of scams that prey on unsuspecting individuals and communities. The episode primarily focuses on the tragic unraveling of Camp Quinnibarge, likening it to the infamous Fyre Festival, and explores the psychological tactics used in scams through the discussion of the Landmark Forum.

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Guest Introduction & Landmark Forum Scam Discussion

Timestamp: [00:00 – 07:23]

Laci begins the episode by introducing Behzad Dabu, an actor and director known for his role in How to Get Away with Murder and his current position at Hillman Grad. She highlights his upcoming project, Write It of Passage, showcasing the serendipitous alignment that brought him onto the podcast.

[03:00] Laci Mosley:
"Guys, I am so excited. I'm really thrilled for our guest today."

[03:06] Behzad Dabu:
"I know we've talked about it. I'm trying to get these episodes in before we start shooting iCarly again. So whoop, whoop."

Laci probes Behzad about his personal interactions with scams, specifically asking if he has ever been scammed.

[03:25] Laci Mosley:
"Do you have a relationship with scams? Like, have you ever been scammed? Do you like them? Do you hate them?"

Behzad shares his experience with the Landmark Forum, a self-help organization he describes as akin to a "light Scientology," popular among actors in Los Angeles. He recounts being duped at a networking event where he was coerced into giving his credit card details under the guise of personal development.

[04:22] Behzad Dabu:
"Not even a blood cousin. One of those people that, like, your friends were your friend. Your parents were friends."

He explains how his initial resistance gave way to compliance, only to later realize the scam's manipulative tactics. Behzad emphasizes the power of passion—whether opposing or supporting—to make individuals susceptible to scams.

[06:22] Behzad Dabu:
"The people that are hard to scam are the people that simply don't care."

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Historic Hoodwinks: The Camp Quinnibarge Debacle

Timestamp: [16:26 – 54:22]

Overview of Camp Quinnibarge

Laci introduces Historic Hoodwinks, the segment dedicated to uncovering historical scams and fraudulent schemes. This episode scrutinizes Camp Quinnibarge, an 85-year-old summer camp in New Hampshire that recently collapsed after just six days of operation, drawing parallels to the Fyre Festival fiasco.

[18:03] Laci Mosley:
"Michael says this happened to me when I lived in Oakland a couple years ago... the woman walked up to me with a plate of shrimp..."

Scam Mechanics and Operations

Behzad narrates how Camp Quinnibarge failed to deliver on its promises due to staffing shortages exacerbated by the COVID-19 pandemic. The camp advertised itself as a safe, enriching environment for children aged 6 to 16, charging parents a hefty fee of $5,800 for a four-week session.

[43:04] Laci Mosley:
"He looks like he jumped into the brown lake and then just walked out and air dried."

The camp's executive director, Eric Carlson, struggled to maintain operations, leading to inadequate training for counselors, poor food quality, and a toxic environment. Reports from counselors and parents describe a chaotic atmosphere with insufficient supervision, poorly maintained facilities, and neglect of campers' well-being.

[50:53] Behzad Dabu:
"This is the fire fest. It really is."

Impact on Campers and Staff

Parents reported receiving distressing letters from their children expressing boredom, fear, and neglect. Incidents included campers falling ill, experiencing bullying, and counselors being overworked or fired abruptly. The camp's attempt to maintain an inclusive environment faltered, with trans counselors and campers feeling uncomfortable.

[54:22] Behzad Dabu:
"They were doing fyre fest food. They weren't giving the kids water... and kickball."

Comparison to Fyre Festival

Laci and Behzad compare Camp Quinnibarge's downfall to the Fyre Festival, highlighting the emotional and psychological toll on children versus the luxury-seeking demographic targeted by Fyre. The difference lies in the age and vulnerability of the victims, making the scam more insidious and harmful.

[55:20] Behzad Dabu:
"This is gut-wrenching. So the end, in the middle of the week, Mr. Carlson sent out a note to parents stating that the past couple of days have been rough."

Despite the chaos, many campers expressed lingering loyalty, with some planning to return despite the summer's failures. The episode underscores the devastating effects of such scams on families and communities.

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Scammer of the Week: Jamie Brown's Walmart Heist

Timestamp: [54:45 – 60:26]

In the Scammer of the Week segment, Laci and Behzad spotlight Jamie Brown, a serial con artist from Thibodaux, Louisiana. Jamie impersonated a Walmart manager to unlawfully obtain cash from unsuspecting employees.

[57:36] Laci Mosley:
"How do you just walk into a Walmart and be like, I work here?"

Jamie approached new Walmart employees, claiming she was conducting a "money drop" and requested all large bills from their registers. After collecting significant amounts of cash, she nonchalantly exited the store.

[58:08] Behzad Dabu:
"She committed a felony theft at another Walmart in 2018 and another in 2019."

Her pattern of deceit continued until she was apprehended two days later. Laci and Behzad discuss the ease with which Jamie exploited her appearance and authority to manipulate employees, questioning the security measures in place at large retail establishments.

[60:12] Behzad Dabu:
"She's finding new ways to scheme."

The segment concludes with a humorous yet critical take on Jamie's audacity, highlighting the importance of vigilance even in familiar environments.

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Conclusion

Laci wraps up the episode by encouraging listeners to stay vigilant against scams and to report fraudulent activities via scamgodesspodmail.com. She reiterates the importance of community awareness and the ongoing fight against fraudsters.

[61:14] Laci Mosley:
"Stay scheming, Scam Goddess."

The episode underscores the pervasive nature of scams, from exploiting personal development spaces like the Landmark Forum to targeting vulnerable children through deceptive summer camps. Through engaging discussions and real-life examples, Scam Goddess equips its audience with insights to recognize and combat fraudulent schemes.

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Notable Quotes

• Laci Mosley [03:00]:
  "Guys, I am so excited. I'm really thrilled for our guest today."

• Behzad Dabu [06:22]:
  "The people that are hard to scam are the people that simply don't care."

• Laci Mosley [54:45]:
  "It's so bad. I can't hear you. No, I can't."

• Behzad Dabu [60:12]:
  "She's finding new ways to scheme."

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Key Takeaways

• Psychological Manipulation in Scams: Understanding the emotional and psychological tactics used by scammers, such as exploiting passion or creating a false sense of community.

• Vulnerability of Vulnerable Groups: Scams often target the most vulnerable, including children in summer camps and individuals seeking personal development.

• Importance of Vigilance: Recognizing and reporting scams is crucial in preventing others from falling victim.

• Impact on Communities: Scams like Camp Quinnibarge not only defraud individuals financially but also have lasting emotional and psychological effects on families and communities.

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Stay tuned for more episodes of Scam Goddess where Laci Mosley continues to unmask frauds with humor and insight. As always, stay scheming!

Transcript

[Lacey Mosley]

Inspired by Judy Blume's groundbreaking 1975 novel Forever, watch the reimagined coming of age series about young love by Mara Brock Akil, the iconic creator of Girlfriends. The epic love story follows two black teens, Keisha and Justin, as they explore romance and their identities through the awkward journey of being each other's firsts. Watch forever now playing only on Netflix.

[Bezad Tabu]

Y' all know how Amazon was just previously used to, you know, go on and get something very specific. Like, you want some earrings that look like Michelle Obama or something like, just very specific that you can't buy in a store. Well, now, Amazon is a great place to get all your essentials. You can get your toiletries. You can have them scheduled to deliver your toiletries, which I do, because I be running out of toilet paper, and that's very embarrassing. Like, to be on the toilet and you don't have no paper. Like, that's. That's very sad and embarrassing. Can't believe I told y' all that. But next time you run out of coffee or realize you out of light bulbs, don't be in the dark. Amazon has you covered. Save every day with deals from Amazon. What's poppin, Congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the Paywall. Enjoy this EP episode from behind the Paywall. And as always, stay scheming. Scams, Robbery and Fraud. Scam. Robbery and fraud. Scam Goddess. What's poppin, Congregation? It's me, your girl, Scam Goddess. No, this is not a scam. Your girl is horse. Honey, your girl had laryngitis. They tried to steal my V, y' all. Which is why y' all need to back the fuck back out of people's faces. Covid isn't the only thing that you could spread. Okay, but I'm here, raspy voice and all, giving you smooth jazz today. Okay? Do, do, do, do, do, do. See, I can't even, like, make noises with my mouth. It's gonna be a ride. Guys, I am so. What? Yes, I'm excited. I'm really thrilled for our guest today. He's the homie I've been wanting to get him on the podcast. It just happened so fortuitously today that I grabbed him when super booked and busy like he always is. You've probably seen him on the Shy how to Get Away with Murder. He's the director of the acting track right now at Hillman Grad with Lena. Waithe come on. Giving back. And he's got his own project that he's developing right now called Write I t e of Passage. Guys, we have Bezod Tabu Beizahd. Hi.

Hi. How you doing? Happy to be here.

I'm so happy you're here. Oh, my gosh, this is great. This has been a long time coming, so I'm glad that the stars aligned today for this.

Absolutely. I. I've. I've been listening and I'm like, I gotta get on there. I want to get on this podcast.

I know we've talked about it. I'm trying to get these episodes in before we start shooting icarly again. So. Whoop, whoop. Yes, but. Okay, ba. I have to ask you up top. Do you have a relationship with scams? Like, have you ever been scammed? Do you like them? Do you hate them? It could honestly be anything.

I do. I do have a relationship with scams. It's actually one of my best stories. But I don't want to take up the whole podcast with this story, so I'll try to make it quick. But there is a scam that you may have even covered on one of your episodes. It's called the Landmark Forum. Have you ever covered that scam?

No. Do tell.

The Landmark Forum is like. It's like Scientology light and it's with. It's really popular with actors in Los Angeles. And it's like that your friend will kind of tell you that you're going to a networking event, and you show up to this networking event, but then they tell you you can't be on your phones and. And you start to go, why can't I be on my phone at a networking event? And then it turns out they want your credit card and they want to do like, self betterment and self help and boom, boom, boom. But what's wild is I was hating it. I was like, I. This, this sucks. Get me out of here. I can't believe my. My cousin brought me to this thing.

And I'm not your cousin. That's a betrayal. And not.

Not even a blood cousin. One of those people that, like, your friends were your friend. Your parents were friends.

Yes. We have play cousins in the black community. I have several.

Exactly. And we have them in our community as well. So I was like, all right, I can't believe you brought me here. I was super mad. But then, I swear to God, next thing I noticed, I had given them my credit card and I had paid the money.

Next thing you knew. Wait a minute.

I didn't because they, they got me. Like, they got me, they got me, but I woke up, they started talking.

Wait, I have a question.

Yeah?

When you say they, is this like one charismatic person? Is this a group of people? Like, how are they?

Like, okay, so it's a charismatic person on the stage, but there's a group of people with like name tags on that are like, during the 10 minute breakout sessions, are like talking to you and stuff like that. Now here's the thing that's wild to me. I hated it like the whole time. My internal monologue is like, get me out of here, get me out of here, get me out of here, get me out of here. And then I ended up giving them my credit card. And I'm not like a weak minded person, so I was like, what's going on here? I ended up getting my money back. Long story short, I'm skipping ahead a lot, but I have a friend who is a mentalist. He's like, that's what he does for a living. He's like a magician at the Magic Castle, but he's also like a mentalist. And he like can, like, you know, he does those, those shows where he like tells you what you're thinking and stuff. So I called him. Yeah, right. I called him and I said, can somebody tell me? I was like, can you tell me how they got me? Like, how did they get me? I was mad. I don't even know why I gave them my credit card. I don't even know why I did that. And he cut me off and he goes, bazaad, you're easy to get. And I was like, why? And he goes, I've known you for a long time. You're very passionate. And he said, whether you're passionate on the side of I hate this or passionate on the side of I love this is equally as easy to get. He was like, the people that are hard to scam are the people that simply don't care.

Ooh.

And he was like, he was like, when I'm. He goes, when I'm doing a show and I see the husband who's lean back, who got dragged here, who doesn't want to be here, who thinks I'm stupid, I can get him so easy because he is so passionate about hating me, he was like, but the guy that's just like on his phone texting, I can't get him because he's not giving me any attention.

That's why they Took your phone, so they take your polarize you. You had no way to escape. So either way, you were gonna get sucked in or you're gonna hate it. This is. You're dropping gems, babe. Okay, see, guys, if y' all are out there and you think something is fishy, like maybe just don't care, maybe just come at it like, I don't know. Yeah, I'll sign up. Or maybe I won't. I don't know.

Exactly. He was like. He was like, they saw you and I know you. You had it all over your face how much you were not enjoying yourself. And they were like, got him.

Oh, my God. Cause you're still listening.

Mm, mm. Intently listening during this brainwashing session. Anyway, I got out. I got out.

Okay, But I have some follow up questions. So what were they promising in this acting program? Because, I mean, look, we hopped into the scammiest career of all time. No one becomes an actor the same way. A lot of people have similar stories, but there's so many different ways to do it. Maybe, you know, went to theater school, or maybe you went to a conservatory or did improv or stand up, or you did regional theater. Or, you know, maybe you blackmailed an executive. You know, like, there's so many ways to become an actor. So what were they like, kind of guaranteeing or like telling you what was going to happen?

Were you born into a legendary Hollywood family?

Right. Oh, you know, the hardest acting track.

Well, it's so funny because all those things you just mentioned, I'm like, did it. Uh huh. Did that.

Yup.

Conservatory? Yup. Regional theater. Yup. Did that. Yep.

Have you tried bribing an executive?

I haven't done that yet.

Okay, next step. Next one.

I don't know if that worked for people of Color because the first step is like getting in a room with an executive. And how do you do that?

They won't even let us through the front door.

Yeah. Okay. So the Landmark Forum is not just for actors. It's for anybody. It's just common with actors, I think. I think they, like, prey on actors.

It's giving Keith Ranieri. Yes, it's giving Nixxiom.

It is. It's so funny because I've talked to people about this and when. Because I've watched all those docs and I've talked to you about this and I'm like, well, it's like Heath Renary, except there's no sex stuff. And my other.

We just want your money. We're not going to harm you. Other than your wallet.

But I will say this, you're probably going to make a lot of people mad. And the Twitter comments on this post is probably going to be crazy because a lot of people are in Landmark Lacey.

Like, are they really?

Like a lot of people are in it and they swear by it and they think it's fucking awesome. It's just like a self betterment thing. But.

Well, you know what though? People need community. That's what I learned in acting. If any of you guys are aspiring actors or performers, one of the hardest things about it is like the loneliness because people don't understand what it takes to do this, how hard we work, how much money you spend on the front end acting as a ska yam yam. Especially getting in headshots. You gotta pay for self taste, you gotta pay for wardrobe. You gotta look like a waiter, then you gotta look like a lawyer. Then you gotta look like a destitute, you know, man on his luck. It's like you gotta have all these vibes and all this shit that you spent money on.

And then there's like 14 websites and you got to upload all these pictures to all the websites and each website is like $20 a picture. And you want to change it, it's $20. And then you got to do a yearly fee and then it's a, it's A$60 for a minute of audio on five websites. It's like it's a lot, bruh.

They be hustling at every turn. And all of this is to audition for a job that may be you could get. Cause it's probably offered to a bunch of people and they all have to say no for you to even get seen. Can you imagine if you were an accountant and they were like, hey, the girls at H and R Block would love to see you. We're looking for people in their 20s to 30s, brown hair, green eyes, but also dark skin. And could you also dress like a waiter? And then show up with photos of yourself and resumes, make sure you've gotten expensive photos and then make. Maybe we'll give you a job at H and R Block.

Let's take it further with your analogy. So you're at H and R Block and you maybe mess up on something, right? Let's say you, you mess up and you put the wrong number down or you fill out the wrong form. They're not going to be like, hey you, you're a bad person. They're going to be like, hey, you messed up at your job, right? But for Us, if we don't get something, it's like you is. Is you that we don't like. We don't like your face. Like, we don't like your voice. We don't like you. It's so hard not to take that rejection personally. Cause it's like you're telling me is me. You don't like me.

In the beginning, I did, because I did a scam thing that wasn't like Landmark, but it was one of those casting director classes where you go and you meet the casting directors who have absolutely no power, and you pay them money, and they tell you random things about auditions that you're not even at. It's like they're just giving you random advice, and then they watch you do a monologue. And I did a monologue once in New York City, I'll never forget, at Actors Access. And this woman told me, you know, you're really this white woman. You know, you're really sassy. And that's really out right now. Like, you know, you don't have to be a stereotype anymore. And at the time, I was like, 20, and I was like, oh, this lady must know things. Cause we pay. She's a casting director. So we, you know. And I took that with me for a few years where I was going into auditions, just trying to be what I. I thought people wanted me to be. Until one day, I don't know what made me snap out of it, but I was like, bitch, this is who I am. And so I go to every audition, I just slang me. I slang me like rocks. I'm like, you want some? You know, dapping people up and slanging Lacey rocks. And if you like it, you like it, and if you don't, that's not on me. But in the beginning, you really do think, like, it's like, you, you raggedy bitch.

So you the authenticity drug dealer. You like, hey, yo, I got this Authenticity yo.

We slanging vibes over here on the corner for our community.

Hey, you want this? Sincerely and organic me? Because I.

For the community center, okay? We raising money for the community center, all right?

This shit is all organic and authentic.

It is 100% GMO. Free me.

No, but. But honestly. So for the listeners who are like, hey, I'm part of Landmark, and it's amazing. And this community will. They'll come after you.

For some reason, you seem afraid of them. Beza.

I am a little afraid. I'm a little afraid. But I just want to say for the people out there who are like, wow. Wow. People are saying it's real. And some. He's saying it's a scam. Just Google Landmark scam and you'll see 500,000 articles about how people have, like, left the community and how it destroyed their families, destroyed their lives. Because, yeah, people need community, but this is like, $1,000 a week community. They trying to take your money. Community. So.

But it's community, though. It's community, though. Okay? So what? Yes, you do have to write us a check every week or you will be removed from community.

But they try to. They try to remove you from your closest people. So they make you call your siblings, your girlfriends, your exes, your parents. They want you to call them in front of everybody. Like, yo, for real. It's like that. They want you to call them and then tell them all the ways they've wronged you. So that was there. And this one girl. This one girl was, like, super happy. I would say late 20s, early 30s, super happy. She was a performer as well. And she. They made her call her dad and be like, yo, you missed my recitals. Or whatever when I was younger. And the dad on the phone was, like, on the mic. Like, on speakerphone, on the mic. And the dad was like, what? Like, she's calling him, talking about shit from 20 years ago. And she. And he was like.

He was like, Katie, it's 8:00am what's going on?

He was like, are you okay? He's like, are you okay? Is something wrong? Are you okay? And she's like, I just want to say that, like, you know, when you miss my recital, it, like, led me into a bubble. And he's like, what? I pay for your college? What? What is going on, honey? She's on the phone. Like, it was like. I was like, why are you ruining this person's life? This is crazy. Anyway, fuck Landmark. That's what I got to say. I stand by it. I'm afraid of this. But I'm doing it because I'm bold. I'm 100% authentic, organic me. That's what I'm slaying. And I learned it from Lacey.

Yo, I feel like we're gonna have to get into Landmark on an episode because this sounds very fun and scammy. Anybody who's trying to isolate you from your loved ones, because that's a very quick way to do it. Other scams, they'll just try to, like, keep you in the basement till 3am every night and, you know, keep you busy. Landmark was like, no, call everybody, you know, and be like, let's fight. Call everybody you know and be like, put your hands up because you wronged me, bitch.

I have a question. When you do these episodes, do people come on your social media and be like, that's not a scam. You did a whole episode on this, and that's not a scam. I love this thing. No, no, no. All right, good.

If you're listening to this show, you like scams. You're into it. I have had some people come after me, though, saying that there was defama of their reputation, and I was like, listen, I don't know nothing about that. So we have had to remove some things, but, you know, we don't have to get too meta. I don't worry about what people are. We just make art and then the world deals with it. I don't care outside of that. I also, this is a great time to plug again. I do not read critiques. Okay, Scout.

[Lacey Mosley]

Inspired by Judy Blume's groundbreaking 1975 novel Forever, watch the reimagined coming of age series about young love by Mara Brock Akilah, the iconic creator of Girlfriends. The epic love story follows two black teens, Keisha and Justin, as they explore romance and their identities through the awkward journey of being each other's firsts. Watch forever now playing only on Netflix.

[Bezad Tabu]

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Michael Motorcycle.

Michael Motorcycle. So Michael says, hi, Lacy. Love the podcast. Oh, very nice stuff, Michael. I appreciate that. We're going to get into it, though. So Michael said this. This happened to me when I lived in Oakland a couple years ago. I love Oakland, but damn, there can be some aggressive scammers out there. I was grocery shopping at the Smiths down the road from my new place for the first time, when a woman walked up to me with a plate of shrimp in her hand. She said, I really want to get this shrimp to celebrate my daughter's birthday tonight, but I can't afford it and she loves shrimp. She then put the $30 shrimp plate in my basket and said, I'll be waiting outside at the front door. And then walked, walked away.

Is there more?

First of all, it's your daughter birthday. You don't want to get her a cake. You just go get some loose shrimp. Like, that's all.

Wait a minute. But if Michael Motorcycle paid for the.

Shrimp, then it's not all, there's more to this story.

But I'll pause it for a second.

Because I'm just trying to get in the psyche of this scammer. And I learned. I talk about this all the time. I learned in my psych courses, if you give people an excuse, it doesn't matter what it is. If you just give them excuse, they're more likely to do the thing. So if she had come up with the shrimp and just been like, hey, I need these shrimp. Thank you so much, and put them in her cart and walked away, you wouldn't think twice to just take it out of your cart and be like, the fuck was that? But the woman came up with a story like, hey, I really need this $30 shrimp. Shrimp for my daughter birthday. I don't need no butter. I don't need no garlic. I don't need no minced nothing, no onion. I just need the shrimp. I don't need no cake. I don't need no candles. I just need the shrimp.

I love that she just. I love that she put it in the cart, though. Because that's kind of like, you know, when you're at the table at, like, a picnic table and there's, like, paper plates and stuff, someone's like, hey, will you throw that away from me? You're like, no, you throw that away yourself. But if they hand you the plate and you're holding it, and you're holding it, and then they're like, throw it away from me. You're like, all right, well, I might as well. It's in my hand. So that was a smart move on her, right?

But putting it in the cart. And also, she's so aggressive. She said, I'll be waiting outside. That's a little bit threatening to me.

Cause she will be.

What happens if I come outside without the birthday shrimp? Like, how she gonna have a birthday shrimp at a birthday with no birthday shrimp on her birthday? You know?

I mean, true.

So Michael Motorcycle says, I stood there in the grocery store, like, what the fuck do I do? Like, what if I walk out without this $30 plate of shrimp to hand? And she's pissed. So I bought the shrimp because it was jarring, and I had been commanded to do so. I walked outside, she was there. I gave her the shrimp, and I went home. I saw her two weeks later standing outside a thrift store, very close to the aforementioned Smiths, and she asked if I could go in and buy her pants. Now, sue pants now. But here's my issue, Michael Motorcycle. When you see this woman outside of the thrift store, why did you not make a beeline, you know, to the store? Why didn't you put your head down? Why didn't you fade into some bushes like Homer Simpson? Why did you allow yourself to cross this woman's path again? Why you ain't put your headphones on? Why you ain't pick up your phone and start talking to your lock screen? What are you doing? Why are you cutting this lady?

He's not good at the. I'm good, thank you. And walk with no eye contact. He made the eye contact, and that's it.

You gotta be like, I don't have it. Look, if I have it in cash, I normally would just go ahead and do it, you know? Cause, like, if you're asking for money or things, like, I understand that this. Unfortunately, daddy government is not set up to actually take care of its children. So that kind of stuff doesn't bother me as much. But since you Sending me on errands like, bro, I already bought you some shrimp. Two weeks ago, I got your birthday shrimp. It was $30 shrimp.

Yeah, but she probably knows I grew up in Indian culture, and so if a beggar in India comes up to you, they will find you every day at that spot with all their friends. They'll be there. So my grandparents always be like, if you give them one time, you're the guy. You're the guy. You're expected.

Damn, now you locked in for life. They're like, you work for us now. You actually signed a W2 that you work for us.

I mean, what happens if every time he goes into the store, she's out there waiting for shrimp and.

She need birthday shrimp and a birthday suit? Okay, he gonna go back a week.

Later, she'll be like, it's my birthday again. It was just your birthday.

I said it was my daughter's birthday before. It's my birthday now. You gotta keep up. That's right.

That's right. You're right.

You know, you my personal shopper. You should know me by now. I shouldn't even have to ask you for shrimp and pants no more. You should know the vibes when you see me.

Mm. Should have figured out how many kids she has. Okay, let's go, Michael.

So she sees the woman again, and the woman asked her to buy some pants. I said, no, good luck. I really hope she did get those pants if she needed them. And I hope she enjoyed that shrimp. Love, Michael. Motorcycle.

So he didn't do it?

No.

But I wanna know what happened when he left and he made eye contact. Was she waiting?

Well, I mean, I think Michael came at it like, no, good luck. You know, he gave us some positive.

Okay.

That's how you gotta do nose. You gotta do nose with a smile. Like, nah, smile.

Wow.

I can't do that. Like, a lot of times I used to think the word can't stood for, like, stuff that you, like, were really incapable of doing. But can't can also just mean you don't want to. So a lot of times when people ask me to do stuff and I don't want to, I'd be like, I can't do that. And that's the truth. I can't because I won't allow myself to. There's something in my way, and it's called me.

I was gonna say, what happens when the follow up is, oh, why not?

I got stuff.

Oh, okay.

Yeah. And then you smile. It's like, if I didn't have the stuff And I couldn't then, you know, I would.

Can you role play? Can we role play real quick?

Yeah, of course.

Ring, ring. Hey, Lacey, I was wondering. So I'm gonna be gone for a couple days. I'm shooting, I'm doing this gig, and I know you live, like, 10 minutes away from me. Can you come water my plants while I'm gone? Just every other day. Can you come and water my plants?

Oh, damn. Every other day. Damn.

Yeah, every other day.

I can't. I can't. I wish I could, but I can't.

Oh, you can't? Well, just take five minutes a day. Why can't you?

I know. And if I had the five minutes to do it, I absolutely would like, you know, I love plants. Like, I love plants. Botany and shit. For real. It's a passion. But I can't. I can't.

Oh, you just can't. Oh, okay. Cause I see on your Instagram, I feel like you do have five minutes every day. I've been watching. I mean.

Oh, you know, Instagram ain't real. That's the highlight. Real baby. In between all them stories, I'm crying, you know, so.

Okay.

I can't.

All right. Okay.

But I hope you get somebody to water your plants, because I don't want them to dry out. They're so cute. They're so good.

Okay, well, thanks anyway. I guess you can. I guess you can.

Of course. No, if I could, I would, but I can't. All right. I gotta go. It's a bird in the sky.

I could if I would, but I can't, so I won't.

That's the moral right there. I could if I would, but I can't, so I won't. So, I mean, I just think more people have to. But I don't want to discourage people to help. Not help unhoused neighbors or people on the street. I just think that there's a way to go about it. However, in Oakland, it's to going like such an expensive city now. Like, Oakland has been so deeply gentrified, so many people have been driven out of their homes. The price has been hiked. I'm guessing that this store is probably a cute store. It's giving. What is Smith's? Is Smith's like a cute store? Is it giving, like Whole Foods?

I don't know Smith's.

I don't know Smith's either. Judith, Marina, can y' all Google Smith's? Because I want to know if it's giving. What's supposed to be gay? Because I Have a feeling that this is the kind of place that if.

You'Re met, is Smith's, like, Gelson's prices, right?

I have a feeling this is the kind of place that, like, privileged people shop. And then some people might know, like, oh, if we go in here and we just debo these niggas, they know they gentrify this area. They know they fucking raise rent. Like, they know they need to buy this birthday shrimp and shut they ass up.

Or is Smith's big lots, Huh?

I don't know. I feel like there's probably not a big lots in Oakland. It's such a small little city. Like, you don't see big box stores in tiny cities. So super producer Judith Cargbo just told us that it's giving Ralphs. And if you don't have a Ralph's in your city, it's giving Publix, it's.

Giving Albert Sons, it's giving Wegmans, it's giving Jewel Asco, it's giving Kroger. You know, it's giving H E B.

And this is a real deep cut for the Southern girls. It's giving Winn Dixie. Okay? So, you know, just so you guys know, that's what it's giving.

Yo, I gotta say this. Cause I just read about this the other day, and this is the perfect podcast for it. You know when you go to, like, the dollar store and they have like a product and it's like a dollar, right? And you go to the grocery store and they have that same product and it's like $4. Well, it turns out that the. The dollar store product is made for the dollar store, and it's only 25% of the product. That's $4. So it's actually the same amount of money. Like, you can go get dial dishwash soap, right? And that might be $6 at the grocery store, but at the dollar store it might be a dollar, but at the dollar store is literally one sixth of the amount. So you're actually getting scammed at the dollar store.

What?

Mm.

So this whole time I thought. But that's like, if McDonald's was like, oh, you could go get gourmet cheeseburger, or you could come to McDonald's and get this tiny cheeseburger, right? Like, I thought it was the same size, but it was cheaper. They just selling you a smaller size.

And the thing with, like, toilet paper and, like, paper towels, it's the same thing. It's just a smaller roll.

Wow.

See, they're getting us on every level. Scams all around. You'll never run out of ideas for this podcast.

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Some people be going to camp for like, like eight, nine weeks.

Like, is this camp or are you not coming back? Like mama be at camp for eight months. Yeah, yeah. It's a year round camp. It's a year round camp. I'll see you at Christmas. What? So, you know, did you ever go to camp?

I did, I did like the one week camps. I never did the long camps, but I, I did the camps. I wanted to. I was really into basketball when I was a kid, so I went to like, like, you know, the whatever. Like local athlete would have like a basketball camp. It was like a go sleep away. Like wake up, you know, at five in the morning, have breakfast and then like basketball all day stuff. I did those camps and then I did like theater camps too.

You did theater camps?

I did. I did.

Nerd.

I know. Believe me. I was called all kinds of things.

It's time for me to stuff you in a locker. No, I'm kidding. I went to leadership camp. Like, that's even nerdier.

Where'd you grow up?

I grew up in Dallas, Texas. I went to Dallas cowboy mini camp for mini camp cheerleaders. So the adult cheerleaders on the Cowboys would. I have pictures. I'll post one on the Instagram, they had camps for five year olds where you would go, they would give you a mini Dallas Cowboy cheerleader outfit at the end when you perform your face based on cringe. Yeah, it was a crop top and a tiny little white skirt.

Skirt.

It was the classic like blue underneath crop top. And then the little white tie with the blue stars. And then my little tummy was out. And then we had the little white, tiny little skirts and we wore little white sneakers.

I can't wait for Netflix's documentary on this.

Oh my God. As I'm describing it, I'm like, who is this bad? And then the football players would come. So I really think that my mom like put me in this because my family wanted to meet Troy Aikman. So Troy Aikman was, I think Troy Aikman was there. I know Emmett Smith, Emmitt Smith was there.

Irvin, all those. Yeah.

Ye. They would come to the like finale where we would all perform our little mini camp dances.

You know, I grew up, I grew up in upstate New York, but I had the, the Dallas, the Dallas Cowboys starter jacket. Oh, you know, you like the pullover with the zip halfway and it had like the big silver.

You were in dangerous territory in that.

I mean, and that was giants, upstate New York. I mean. Nah, nah, nah. I had Charlotte Hornets, Orlando Magic, all kinds of teams.

You were ready to fight.

Let's start a second. Yeah. Anyway, so yes, I did some camps, but I didn't do the nature camps. I didn't do like the go and like camp and touch grass and find moss zip line in the lakes and stuff. No, I didn't do that.

Okay. I didn't do that either. You know, that wasn't giving what it was supposed to be gave for me. I did go to the woods because that's like a thing in Texas. I don't know if they still do it, but when I was in fifth grade, we all went and had a sleep away weekend trip in the woods with our teacher, which also sounds sus.

Yeah. Once again I'm like, ooh. I also though I, I went to a really poor, I grew up poor. I grew up in a poor area, upstate New York. And like, so I went to like kind of the school district that didn't have no money. So there were some schools that like did these like really cool things in their school. We were like, nah, we don't do that. We, we just didn't do that. But my mom would save up money all year. My mom would save up all money all year to get me to go to the Syracuse Orangeman Jim Boeheim baske camp once a year that I wanted to go to for a week.

Oh, shout out to the mom Would.

Save up so much money for me to do that and buy me a pair of sneakers to do it.

Oh, come on. She had you looking right, too. I love a queen. We love that for you.

My mom is a queen.

So we have a little advertisement that we're gonna watch right now, and I will describe to you guys. But let's see. Okay, so look at these lakes. Come on, New Hampshire. It's giving what it's supposed to give.

Okay, Camp Quinnibar.

Camp Quinobarge. They got the apple music, that free licensed music to me. Camp Quinnibarge is family fun. Oh, they got the kids jumping into this muddy ass water place where you can really get ear infections and shit, looking happy as hell. Okay, we gonna pause right here. So on this creepy looking man, he's.

Wearing rosary beads around his neck. He's a white man wearing rosary beads.

Are those rosary beads?

What are those?

It's not rosary Bees. Those are. That's some kind of fake tribal shit they done made up, have the kids paint it.

Looks like a fake Mayan Aztec thing.

Yo, white people love making up some native American folklore and being like, yeah, this what happened. I'll never forget. I was at some damn wine winery and we got a tour, and the tour guide was like, this is a cave where all the natives had painted on it. This real native paintings. I was like, no, they not. Like, why are you lying to us to our faces? Disrespectful. I'm like, this paint is hella fresh. Like, oh, y' all lying. No, y' all didn't draw these little sticks up here and tried to tell us that the natives did this. I hate y' all. But, you know, it was a wine tour. So by that time, you already done taste about eight glasses. And by tasted, I mean swallowed everyone. So you like, what else? They do this where they made the fire. Okay, sure. So back to Camp Quinn. The advertisement in large, at least from what we've watched, is kids selling it to other kids. So it was like, oh, I love coming to Camp Gwynne Barge. It's so diverse. We have a redhead and everybody's funny. And the food is giving what needs to be gave flavor. As I pile this dry ass chicken onto this dry ass salad in this.

The food looked horrible, y' all. The food looked really bad. It like, it looked like a coney and coleslaw on top of it on a paper plate. It looked bad.

This is little white baby prison. So then they go to a man who's about to give his testimony with his fake native beads on and. Yeah, so let's look at 343 to 300, 404. I just want to see this friendship circle. After night activity, we do this thing called the friendship circle, where we all hold hands right over left. Our fears have been forgotten. We sleep in peace. Everybody participates, and we sing. And you're just as a whole, like a family, which is nice. So.

Oh, my God, my jaw is on the floor at how creepy that is.

Yeah, guys, what we just witnessed, and we'll find a way for you to witness it as well, is at the end of this advertisement.

Oh, my God. Who included that and why?

The children, they come back around and they say, hey, so we love this thing that we do. It's called the friendship circle. We do it every night. We cross hands over hands, and then we sing this chant about. About friendship forever.

And then they cross hands that hold, like, they cross arms to hold hands.

In a circle around a fire.

And they were like. I was also confused by the age ranges. You got, like, 14 year olds and 4 year olds, and everybody was, like, together and, like, in each other's laps. I was like, that person is 15. That person's three. What's going on?

Yeah, you're supposed to have separation. You know, you have group of children. You don't have them piled all together. And then at the end, it was like, when everyone leaves, they're always crying. And then they interview the children. It's like, I have made friendships here for life. Like, these poor children. But you do feel that way. I do remember, like, leaving certain things and being like, oh, these are my new best friends. Never saw them again. But at the time, I was like.

I don't remember their names. I'm trying to understand why some. Someone would include that part in the video. Because the first half of the video, I was like, all right, I. I wouldn't. But I understand why someone would send their kids here. But the second half, if you send your kids here after seeing that video, you deserve everything that happened to you. Come on. Yeah.

I mean, camps are weird. You know, all I told you, they're an experience for the parents because you leave your kid and then you get to, like, wake up when you want and, like, you know, you can have sex and you don't have to blare the music and be like, Mommy and daddy are taking naps on each other. You know, like you can be an adult for a little bit. You can go get drunk, you know, which I guess you could do when your kids are at home, but you probably shouldn't. I was watching a TikTok the other day and then a bunch of teachers were commenting and they were like, kids, tell all your business at school. And they were like, all the kids tell everyone's business, like your parents, their parents business. And she said it's really telling when she has 5 year olds playing in houses. And then she says everybody wants to play drunk.

Uh huh.

So I'm telling what's happening at home?

Mommy, where's my birthday shrimp? You promised you're gonna get me birthday shrimp.

Mom, no. These kids are at fake restaurants trying to make play doh margaritas. So drop them off at camp so you don't scar them. So Camp Guinea Barge is traditionally an overnight co ed summer camp offering friendships, outdoor activities and unforgettable summ. How do you offer friendships? Okay. I mean there is somebody in the video who says everybody's really funny here. How do you know that? They're just enrolling people? Is there an audition process? Somehow everyone's really funny. So camp. They have four weeks where campers aged 6 to 16. To your point, Bezaad, 6 to 16 is a big gap.

That's a big gap between a 12 year old and a 7 year old. Come on.

Yeah, this is. Yeah. So for four weeks they can stay in New Hampshire for the low price of $5,800 cheaper than a babysitter for a month. Right. Can you put a price on boning in your kitchen? Because your kids are at Camp Quinn a barge? No, you can't. The camp has remained a nostalgic favorite of New England children for over 85 years. Meaning it's a nostalgic favorite for New England parents for over 85. They were like, look, you can dump them at Camp Quinnibarge. They come back whole. Nobody does anything bad to them. Great place to dump them for two to four weeks. Wonderful. So Eric Carlson, a former camper and counselor. Eric loved this shit so much he said, bitch, I'm about to start working up in here. Okay. Is Camp Kunibarge's executive director. He bought the.

Now this is the guy with the tribal necklace.

Yes, this is the guy in the video with the tribal necklace who's wearing a very wrinkled shirt. He looks like he jumped into the brown lake and then just walked out and air dried.

He looks like the he looks like the commenters on the white celebrities who don't showers who are like, I, I just shower in the lake all summer.

Right. It's like if you, if you jumped in the lake, you took a bath, it's giving lake bath. It is, yeah. So he's the executive director, if you could believe that. He does not look like he's an executive, but okay. He bought the camp with his wife April 2021, but they have been running it together since 2012. However. However, this summer the camp experienced so much difficulty with staffing and food deliveries that it had to shut down after only being open for six days. I know these parents were pissed. They thought they was going to get a month off and they only got six days. It's not enough time. So trying to staff the camp during COVID You see, I said April 2021. So like, this is recent. The summer fiasco began when only 36 of 60 camp workers that were hired June 1st actually showed up. While extreme, this occurrence isn't entirely uncommon this year. Right. So Camp Shane, a weight loss camp in Connecticut, lost 10 of its 22 counselors during the first two weeks of the session in the summer, prompting its own abrupt shutdown.

Hold on. How toxic do you think that weight loss camp is?

Well, it says in a note that the camp is currently under state investigation and a few details are released.

They probably just withhold food, create a bunch of future anorexic and bulimia like victims. This is crazy.

And then their website says camp Shane learn, laugh, lose.

And that Camp Shane looks like camp shame.

It does. Are you kidding me?

This is horrible. I bet that camp is so toxic and doing so much dam. Oh my God. There's before and afters of 8 year olds.

There's before and after of children.

Oh my God. Oh, and the before and afters are clearly photoshopped. And this is horrible for body image.

This is so fatphobic and mean. Can you imagine going to camp, you think you about to have a good time and then you get there and they are controlling what you eat, making you think about your body all the time, forcing you to exercise, and then making you take before and after photos.

During the formative years.

Oh, this is. Oh, this is horrific. Oh, I hope the state takes them down.

Horrible.

Oh my God. That's so nasty. Ew. I can't believe these places still exist.

It's so 1995 to have a place like that.

It really is. It's giving parent trap. Like why do these camps exist? So I hope that the investigation does not go well for them. Cause I can't imagine an effort ethical place where you do that shit. You can't ethically do what they're doing. So I hope they get them. So. Additionally, it's typical that about a quarter to a third of staff are made up of workers on J1 visas, mostly from England. So when they're getting these camp counselors, they're almost doing it. Like how they staff cruise ships. Like they go and get people from different countries who don't know no better or who are just trying to get that visa popping. And this is a way to slide, you know. So J1 visas are non immigrant visas designed for work study based cultural exchange programs, mostly for students or for people in their early 20s, 20s. Work J1 visas must hold positions that are of an educational or cultural benefit for them, meaning they're only allowed to be hired as counselors. So, you know, college students, they'll work for pennies, you know, most of us did so. However, this year, Covid either grounded or delayed visa processing for most workers looking to come to the U.S. combined with already existing staffing shortages, the camp enrolled 20% more campers than 2019, further increasing the number of staff that the camp needed to function. So in 2019, they was probably like, oh, we'll send the kids to camp maybe next year, whatever. But then after being locked up with them a fucking for 2020, everybody was like, all y' all going to camp, right? If you were indoors with your kids, God bless you for a year, can't even imagine you sending them all to camp. They all going to camp like, Mom, I'm 18. Yeah, you still going to camp?

We gonna say 16 on this birth certificate, right?

They not gonna really check. They want their $5,800. So this year Covid either, so we, we know Covid kind of ruined what was happening. The result was that 52 counselors and 13 counselors in training were hired and. And three were fired on the first day of camp, according to at least five staff members. This led to staff members being put into positions of responsibility with little to no training and long working hours. One counselor, 21 year old MJ Lowery, said of their training, I was hired about four days before campers arrived. I played kickball and got to see the turtle and the frog and the pond and learned about tadpoles. It was stuff that like that. Such was the camp's desperation that it began offering travel incentives. The camp paid for MJ and her emotional support cat, not the emotional Support cat to be flew out. And they contacted former employees offering them jobs. So they were like, we'll fly you and your cat out, city girls. Okay, like, what do y' all need? Okay. Y' all trying to get flew out to Camp Quinn a Barger and all.

I feel like training for a camp that has 6 to 60, 16 year olds needs to be about, like, what to do if someone gets their period. What to do if there's a fight, what to do if there's bullying. What to do if there's, like, you find some sexual activity. What if someone comes out to you? What if someone does that? Their training was kickball and tadpoles.

Yeah. They said, you got to go out here and know where to find the tadpoles. You gotta know this kickball. I mean, are we making sure everybody's CPR certified?

Right?

Like, you know, so who's lifeguarding these kids, jumping into this massive lake, this brown lake, this brown ass lake. Who's doing like, well, what's going on, sis?

What if someone's like, I got bit by a snake. And you're gonna be like, well, you should run to first if you kick it hard enough.

Right. I feel like people can figure out kickball and tadpoles. I'm not a biologist.

Nor am I, but we can scam some people, I bet.

But listen, I know what a tadpole would look like. Like, I could figure that out. Like, but she probably should teach safety stuff to these people.

Yo. You learn kickball in the title? Pretty much, yeah.

It's pretty much kick the ball, you know, run the bases. It's real easy, but okay. Problems began arising before the first week even finished. Several days in, dissatisfaction amongst counselors was simmering due to their hours and poor pay, prompting an emergency meeting that deteriorated into shadow outing. According to Mr. Carlson, counselors were paid 2,000 to $4,000 for the summer activities were understaffed, overworked staff were screaming at each other in front of the children, and people continued to quit or be fired. One father found a letter home from his son after picking him up reading. We have been in tears, bored, and devastated the whole day. The camp director is lying to you all. You have to trust us. You have to. We're not joking. We're not fun. So many things are wrong with this place.

Oh, my God. This is the fire fest. It really is.

This baby said a. A message in a bottle. He was like.

He said, this is excruciating. I'm bored.

He said, daddy, we fighting for water.

He said, There's. There's been tears. This is horrible. Get us out of here.

He said, one of my bunk mates fell out the bed, broke his arm. They came in, they started talking about kickball.

Daddy's having sex with mommy in the kitchen counter. And he's like, you sure it's so bad? Come on, it can't be that bad. We gave you $5,800 for this.

Hey, come on. What about the tadpoles? Go outside, touch grass.

Go play some kickball.

I know they got grass. How could you be bored? There's rocks out there. Get a game of stick and rock going.

Quit playing, and I promise, on your birthday, we'll get you some shrimp.

Right? So, allegedly, according to a counselor known as Dodger, who would work in food prep, you know he's trustworthy. The commercial dishwasher was broken. This led to some kids reportedly receiving improperly washed dishes. Oh, not the dirty dishes. A kid was also served raw meat during a meal, leading to the firing of one chef. Four girls from the same bunk were quarantined due to vomiting, a fact Rebecca Grove had to find out from her daughter, who was immunocompromised, compromised, and was also in that bunk after she had been picked up. The girls were sick from dehydration and were tested and quarantined in in compliance with COVID protocols. One camper was also responsible for bruising Rebecca's other child, 8 year old Kaden, in the head with a wooden block, as well as punching a staff member counselor.

Wait, wait, wait. She hit another student with a wooden block.

So a camper had two children, Rebecca and then her other child, 8 year old Kaden. So one camper hit her son Kayden in the head with a wooden block, and then he also punched a staff member, counselor Chris Bigler, not Mr. Bigler. Note that counselor Chris happened to be one of the former campers the directors called offering employment and is described by 8 year old camper as the counselor who did not quit. Everyone else did. So we're ramping up to the end of this year. The camp had difficulty maintaining its LGBT friendly environment for both campers and counselors. Trans counselors said they did not always feel comfortable and several patients withdrew their children because they did not want them living with with a trans counselor. There are several smaller problems as well during the week that started to tip parents off, such as letters home, arriving late, the camp's photographer leaving the Facebook group, and the lack of communication from the directors and administrat. So the kids was writing These letters home, like, help. I bet you the counselors were like, we should hold on to these.

This sounds horrible. And then the transphobia. And we had all kinds of nonsense.

They were doing everything. They were doing the fyre fest food. They weren't giving the kids water. There was angry bully children out here hitting people. It went full Lord of the flowers.

My question is like, after all these horrible days and vomiting and violence and transphobia, are they then getting together at night and holding hands and singing the Camp Quanahog song? Are they then being like, camp Quanahog.

Ow, my head.

Also, the thing about fyre fest, I think, I think when people. I think part of the reason why the whole world enjoyed laughing at fyre fest is because it was wealthy. Like 24 year olds spending their tik tok money. Right on. On this. And so you're kind of like, ha ha, you deserve it. But with these, it's just like kids.

It has his children and they signed up to hold hands and be with people who are funny and.

Exactly.

And jump on the lake and kickball. And kickball. They didn't sign up for this shit.

It's not cool tribal necklaces that we get to take home.

Right. And pretend that they're actually from some native people that we stole from. Like, you know, that's what they expected, right?

So when I see like a 22 year old rich white trust fund kid spend $30,000 to go to this island and it fails. Like, I'm like, ha ha.

Right?

But with this, it's a little different.

This is gut wrenching. So the end, in the middle of the week, Mr. Carlson sent out a note to parents stating that the past couple of days have been rough. I think that's an understatement when you've got throwing up and instead of calling their parents to pick them up, you put them in a cabin and be like, y' all just throw up together. What?

Ugh.

So the next day, the parents were told to pick up their kids immediately following a summer of challenges capped by the camp's food delivery arriving. Wait. According to Cisco, the camp's food provider, they confirmed their delivery would have arrived a day late. They knew that the food was going to come late. The camp immediately closed the rest of the summer operations. A few days later, they released a statement. Without a doubt out this was a result of complications brought on by the pandemic and not to any long term issues with the camp operations. Despite disappointment, we have received many calls and emails of support. Have you? They plan on Regrouping and opening for the 2022 summer season. While some parents have been reimbursed, not every parent has gotten their money back. And they have difficulty reaching the camp directors. I'm sure they do. If I have your money and I don't want to give it back, it's going to be real hard to reach me. So many of the campers parents have joined the service.

The service in the woods.

It's so bad. I can't hear you. No, I can't. Because I don't want to. That's why I can't.

Hold on. We're doing wonderful activities for the children. I gotta go. Goodbye.

It's some taboos. Hold on. Bye. So many of the camper's parents have joined a private Facebook group called Abandoned Camp Q 2021, where they've traded their stories. Despite the year's incidents, many campers remain loyal to Camp Quinn Barge. Of course, they do this where they get rid of their kids. Charlotte Charnock, 12, says, Camp was one of my favorite places, like, on earth. My friends got really annoyed when I would constantly talk about camp and how fun was. I think this year was just an off year. Look, Charlotte. Charlotte's hooked on the camp crack. She said, I will be back. Okay, Robbery. It's time for scammer of the week. This is where we highlight an honorary criminal charlatan miscreant. Maybe we like them, maybe we don't. Let's see. So today we're talking about a serial con artist who's been arrested in Mobile, Alabama after pretending to be a Walmart manager to steal cash. Wow, Jamie Brown. How do you just walk into a Walmart and be like, I work here. That's not really how employment works, but.

Okay, I don't even understand. Like, even if you say, I work here, how does that get you cash?

I don't know. I work here. What's the keys to the safe?

Yeah, What?

Let me go to Wells Fargo. Hey, I just got off the horse and buggy. You know the one out our logo? Yeah, I work here. Where? The safe. So Jamie Brown, 38, of Thibodeau, Louisiana, walked into a Walmart and told a new employee that she was doing a money drop and needed all the large bills in their. When she received the money, she calmly walked out. Come on, Jamie Brown. Yes, sis. You better give us these hoops and this earrings. And you better smile for this mugshot.

Okay, Honestly, I'm not lying. I feel like she looks like a face smash. Between you and me, Lacey.

Oh, my God, don't say that. Oh, my God.

She does. She looks like one of those. Like, the Instagram.

Are you telling me that's what our kids would look like? I'm never having kids with you, Baeson. Oh, my God.

All right.

So, Jamie 1. I'm proud of you. I think I like this scammer. So when she received the money, she just walked out. She was just like, all right, thank you so much. I work here. Police caught up with her two days later and arrested her for the theft. However, this wasn't Jamie's first foray in grifting or being caught. She committed fell. That's why she's smiling in her mugshot. She was like, y' all got me again.

How much did she take?

I don't know yet.

I wonder if they arrested her over, like, 20 bucks or, like, was it like, no.

She says, let me get all the large bills. So it must have been a decent amount of money. She committed a felony theft at another Walmart in 2018 and another in 2019. She does have a face that looks like she manages a Walmart. Like, I mean, she has the face of a Walmart manager and reportedly turned herself in. A month after that same Christmas season, Jamie was labeled a grinch by the St. Mary Parish Sheriff's Office after scamming a local business in Louisiana and walking out with $3,000 in merchandise. She turned herself in shortly after the social media post was made. Why is she turning herself in? Is my question, like, Jesus says, keep the money, you keep the money. She likes getting caught.

She kind of likes getting caught.

Or is she turning herself in, like, but doesn't have the cash? Is she stealing, like, enough to where she knows this is not going to be, like, a felony? Also, like, I don't know, is it theft? They should verify who manages the Walmart. Like, she just came in and said, give me money. If you gave me money. It feels like that should be on you.

Mm. Yeah.

It's not like, she was like, this is a stick up. She'd have guns.

No. No guns. And honestly, you can, like, you can put a Walmart logo on a blue polo and call it a day. Who's gonna doubt you?

Especially if you have a face of a manager. She had the face of a Walmart manager. She really does. Why would I. Why would I not believe her?

I don't dislike her. I'm kind of team her.

I'm team her. Okay. I think I'm. I'm team her.

She's finding new, new ways to scheme scheme. And who's she taking money from? The Walmart family.

Right? That's okay. I think they'll be fine. I think they're doing great. But guys, that brings us to the end of another episode of Scam Goddess. As always, if you want to snitch on your friends and family, scamgodesspodmail.com do not write me any notes about how my voice sounds. Okay? I am fighting to make sure that these episodes come in on time for you because I love you guys. The merch is fire. Are you guys on podswad.com and as always, if you want to find me D I V V A L A C I D Valacy on all platforms. If you want to follow the show. Scam got his pod on all platforms. And Baezod, we always ask, where do you want to be found?

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Thank you so much for having me. Dream come true.

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